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1. # Session Start: Sat Apr 07 00:00:01 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:01] * Waldo wonders how http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/style/nsRuleData.cpp#49 manages to work on crazy architectures (we have some) where sizeof(intptr_t) != sizeof(size_t)
4. # [00:02] <Waldo> (PRWord is more or less the same type as intptr_t)
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16. # [00:13] <fantasai> Alright smart people, what's a debugger on linux that can be controlled by keyboard but also walks through a source view?
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18. # [00:14] <fantasai> Or is the only answer still "emacs+gdb"?
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23. # [00:15] * fantasai has tried ddd, but can't figure out how to do anything without a mouse; and kdbg likewise insists on being a mouse-driven GUI
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26. # [00:15] <mcsmurf> do you know ddd? I must admit it's a long time ago since I've used it so maybe it does not provide everything you need
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28. # [00:15] <mcsmurf> ok
29. # [00:15] <mcsmurf> :)
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32. # [00:16] <fantasai> I don't need much. I just don't want to use a mouse to drive it. :)
33. # [00:16] <Yoric> One of my main reasons for working from MacOS X is having a developer-friendly GUI in front of gdb...
34. # [00:16] * fantasai gets impatient with all the clicking
35. # [00:16] <Yoric> (mouse + keyboard)
36. # [00:16] <jhammel> heh, i'm more of the keyboard-only school myself
37. # [00:16] <Waldo> fantasai: isn't there something like gdb-tui or something?
38. # [00:17] <jhammel> OTOH i've always tolerated emacs+gdb
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40. # [00:17] <jhammel> or in general emacs+{whatever tool}
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44. # [00:18] <@smaug> mats: ping
45. # [00:19] * fantasai tries gdb -tui and concludes it is very, very confused about the size of the terminal window
46. # [00:20] <fantasai> or maybe it's just confused about all the output
47. # [00:20] * fantasai should try piping it to /dev/null next time
48. # [00:20] <fantasai> Waldo: ok, thanks, I think I can muddle through with this
49. # [00:20] <Waldo> :-)
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52. # [00:21] <Waldo> just don't blame me if you find it's curses, and just plain old commandline gdb actually works better
53. # [00:22] <fantasai> Waldo: plain old commandline gdb prints function calls by printing the very last line of the function call source
54. # [00:22] <fantasai> Waldo: which means, I can't see the function name in most cases...
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56. # [00:22] <Waldo> fantasai: that was more directed at dolske and jhammel (and others with refined tastes) than at you particularly :-)
57. # [00:23] <jhammel> Waldo: oh, well in that case i *do* blame you :P
58. # [00:23] <Waldo> curses!
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62. # [00:24] <dholbert> bz, ping?
63. # [00:24] * fantasai prefers GUIs, and wishes kdbg had a command input
64. # [00:24] <@dolske> Waldo's reign as punking will soon be over, due to term caps.
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66. # [00:24] <dholbert> fantasai, emacs gdb mode!
67. # [00:25] <fantasai> but then I have to learn like 15 keyboard shortcuts just to get it started ._.
68. # [00:25] <@dolske> and 15 more to quit.
69. # [00:25] <dholbert> C-x-C-yawn
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71. # [00:26] <gavin> bz: do you know offhand where the relevant call to AsyncConvertData() is for the feed stream converter?
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79. # [00:39] <jlebar> fantasai, ctrl+L gets tui to refresh itself.
80. # [00:39] <jhammel> (or almost any curses program, for that matter)
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84. # [00:45] <@bz> Reason: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at address: 0x80004005
85. # [00:45] * @bz goggles
86. # [00:45] <jhammel> i know its messy but goggles seem overkill
87. # [00:46] <@bz> 0x80004005 is NS_ERROR_FAILURE
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89. # [00:46] <@khuey> lol
90. # [00:46] <@khuey> that's double plus ungood
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96. # [00:51] <jesup> Anyone heard of a problem on Ubuntu where MOZ_CHECK_HEADERS(linux/quota.h) doesn't find it, but there is /usr/include/linux/quota.h? (same for linux/if_addr.h and linux/rtnetlink.h)
97. # [00:51] <@bz> ih
98. # [00:51] <@bz> er, uh
99. # [00:51] <@bz> xpconnect allowed a JS object to implement an interface with a notxpcom method?
100. # [00:51] <@khuey> yep
101. # [00:51] <jesup> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1556636
102. # [00:51] <@khuey> yay xpconnect
103. # [00:52] <@dbaron> jesup, no cache that needs removing?
104. # [00:52] <@dbaron> (config.cache ?)
105. # [00:53] <jesup> I think he did a rm -rf objdir, but let me check
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115. # [00:59] <jesup> dbaron: looks like linux/if_addr.h on Ubuntu requires socket.h, and I don't think MOZ_CHECK_HEADERS does that - it just single-includes it (modulo confdefs.h - haven't figured out how that gets built yet
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117. # [01:00] <jesup> dbaron: ehugg is debugging this in #media - if you have ideas could you help him for a sec? I have to go help plant pumpkins with my daughter. Thanks! (even if you can't help)
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119. # [01:01] <@dbaron> jesup, sort of in the middle of somtehing
120. # [01:01] <jesup> no problem
121. # [01:01] <mats> smaug: does the screenshot help?
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124. # [01:02] <@smaug> mats: yes
125. # [01:02] <@smaug> and I was worried about the right bottom case
126. # [01:02] <@smaug> that doesn't look good
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131. # [01:04] <mats> smaug: ok, but I'm not sure how we can avoid clipping it at the bottom of the screen
132. # [01:04] <mats> smaug: do you have a better suggestion?
133. # [01:04] <@smaug> mats: well, at least in cases where there is some space, we should try to decrease the size of the popup
134. # [01:05] <mats> smaug: can we do that as a follow-up bug?
135. # [01:06] <mats> smaug: it seems like an edge case...
136. # [01:06] <@smaug> it doesn't feel an edge case at all
137. # [01:06] <@smaug> to me
138. # [01:07] <@smaug> if you just have a bit smaller window and a select close to the bottom
139. # [01:07] <gavin> very small popup windows are pretty rare
140. # [01:07] <gavin> I would imagine very small popup windows with select dropdowns are rarer still
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142. # [01:07] <@smaug> doesn't need to be very small popup
143. # [01:07] <@smaug> er
144. # [01:07] <@smaug> window
145. # [01:08] <@smaug> the top left example shows the min height for the content part
146. # [01:09] <@smaug> I assume it is something like 250px
147. # [01:10] <mats> smaug: well, if the window have "normal" height, it'll display above the combobox button
148. # [01:10] <mats> smaug: so the clipping only occurs for small windows
149. # [01:10] <mats> smaug: normally
150. # [01:11] <@smaug> mats: what if the <select> is somewhere in the middle of the page
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152. # [01:12] <@smaug> mats: when I open selects in bugzilla, most of them open the popup above the <select>
153. # [01:15] <ehugg> Anyone know about MOZ_CHECK_HEADER? I need to get sys/socket.h into the include list. I hacked the definition of MOZ_CHECK_HEADER to do it, but I'm sure there's a right way to do it.
154. # [01:16] <@khuey> on the include list for what?
155. # [01:16] <@khuey> a subsequence MOZ_CHECK_HEADER check?
156. # [01:17] <@khuey> oh, I see
157. # [01:17] <@khuey> out of curiosity
158. # [01:17] <@khuey> why do you need that?
159. # [01:18] <mats> smaug: hmm, I don't understand why that would happen in a normal sized window (which platform? screen size?)
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161. # [01:19] <mats> smaug: for me, the larger Bugzilla <select>s have 20 items visible and a scrollbar (Linux)
162. # [01:19] <@smaug> I have reasonable small laptop
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164. # [01:20] <@smaug> when I load a bugzilla page, "Component" is about in the middle
165. # [01:20] <@smaug> it opens upwards
166. # [01:20] <@smaug> since, I think, there isn't enough space to open it below the select
167. # [01:21] <mats> smaug: hmm, is clipped by the top of the screen then?
168. # [01:21] <@smaug> no, it is just a bit on top of chrome
169. # [01:22] <@smaug> I mean, "Component:" is in the middle of the web page
170. # [01:22] <@smaug> not middle of the screen
171. # [01:22] <ehugg> Info here - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1556636
172. # [01:22] <ehugg> Header checks are failing.
173. # [01:22] <ehugg> (Alder branch).
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176. # [01:23] <NeilAway> ehugg: hmm, I thought glandium hacked support for that into it
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178. # [01:23] <dholbert> philor, thanks for enlightening me
179. # [01:23] <ehugg> Also, this happens on Ubuntu, but not Fedora or RHEL.
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182. # [01:24] <NeilAway> ehugg: MOZ_CHECK_HEADERS([foo/bar.h], , [AC_MSG_ERROR(Cn't find header foo/bar.h)], [#include <foo/baz.h>])
183. # [01:24] <GPHemsley> biesi_: ping?
184. # [01:25] <ehugg> NeilAway: thanks I'll try that.
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187. # [01:26] <biesi_> GPHemsley, pong
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192. # [01:29] <philor> dholbert: np
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195. # [01:30] <philor> bz: busted on Windows from a couple of "test_bug741266.html | Popup width should be 100 when opened with window.open - got 115, expected 100"
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200. # [01:37] <mak> bz: I think your push may have introduced a permaorange on Win
201. # [01:37] <mak> considered it's related to window.open
202. # [01:38] <mak> and the previous push is linux only
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204. # [01:40] <mak> ah no, it's actually the newly added test failing...
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208. # [01:42] <dholbert> CSS transitions affect computed style, yes?
209. # [01:42] <dholbert> during the transition?
210. # [01:43] <dholbert> i.e. intermediate values are exposed via getComputedStyle?
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215. # [01:45] <dholbert> nevermind, https://wiki.mozilla.org/CSS_Transitions says "yes"
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220. # [01:48] <jesup> NeilAway: Thanks, looks like that solved the problem for ehugg (http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1556696)
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224. # [01:52] <@khuey> wtf
225. # [01:52] <@khuey> nsXPCWrappedJSClass is nuts
226. # [01:53] <jdm> surprise!
227. # [01:55] <@khuey> if (IsExtremelyUnsafeToProceed())
228. # [01:55] <@khuey> Proceed()
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231. # [01:56] <NeilAway> jesup: np
232. # [01:57] <Waldo> khuey: 'sok, it's using GetJSContextSafeish()
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237. # [02:01] <@khuey> Waldo: heh
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239. # [02:02] <Waldo> hrm, I really meant GetJSPrivateSafeish
240. # [02:02] <Waldo> clearly I have not sufficiently internalized all the high-quality abstractions in our code
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242. # [02:02] <@khuey> Waldo: the best part is that if I fix the bug the browser doesn't even start ...
243. # [02:03] <@khuey> broken by design ftl
244. # [02:03] <Waldo> khuey: well, you got rid of a lot of other bugs in the process
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246. # [02:03] <Waldo> RESO WORK
247. # [02:03] <Waldo> er, INVA
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256. # [02:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/239052b7e7b9 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 739041. (Dv1a-FF) test_384370.js: Move after_import() into run_test(), Use Services.prefs too. f=neil r=mak77.
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286. # [02:35] <ferongr> I'm sorry if the question might be dumb, but could it be possible that two or more different extensions create zombie compartments, but only when they are activated at the same time?
287. # [02:36] <@dbaron> ferongr, it's certainly possible
288. # [02:36] <@dbaron> ferongr, not sure how likely it is, though
289. # [02:38] <ferongr> I've nailed an extension that leaks compartments/window-objects of tabs opened from links from a parent tab, that persist as long as the parent tab is alive
290. # [02:38] <ferongr> when I activate the rest of my extensions, the compartments persist even when the parent is closed
291. # [02:38] <ferongr> I've got coffee at least
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304. # [02:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4721cf101ae6 - Kyle Huey - Fix Bug 743376. r=bz
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317. # [03:02] <mbrubeck> The worst part about pushing to the ESR branch is trying to remember what the fashionable leak bugs were six months ago.
318. # [03:02] <mbrubeck> Oh yeah, bug 653080. How could I ever forget you?
319. # [03:02] <@khuey> heh
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323. # [03:05] <mbrubeck> That was one of the few bug numbers I ever learned by memory, instead of pulling it from the awesomebar.
324. # [03:05] <Waldo> heh
325. # [03:05] * Waldo has too many random bug numbers memorized, should he ever be asked to recall them
326. # [03:06] <jdm> hee hee, I still have 130078 in my head and I never even worked on it
327. # [03:06] <jdm> I just checked to see if it was the bug I thought it was
328. # [03:06] <timA> How do I register an XPCOM service so that "Cc['@mozilla.org/myContractId;1']" isn't undefined?
329. # [03:07] <@khuey> I have tons of bug numbers memorized
330. # [03:07] <@khuey> I just don't have the associations to the bug titles memorized
331. # [03:07] <timA> (creating the XPCOM service in C++)
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353. # [03:35] <philor> philikon: is that the shade of debug orange you were going for?
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362. # [03:42] <philikon> sigh
363. # [03:42] <philikon> what did i do now
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365. # [03:42] <philikon> i guess we have to back out https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/26adf71d5c61
366. # [03:43] <philikon> philor: i got a try run, but the damn thing wouldn't show me the result, so i was like, ok, fine, the reported "exception: 2" thing is probably random oranges
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369. # [03:43] <philor> usually a good bet, but not always
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389. # [04:12] <philikon> under e10s
390. # [04:13] <philikon> is there a way to have an xcpom service initialized when the content process starts up?
391. # [04:13] <philikon> like, i'd like an xpcom service to always be there from the beginning
392. # [04:13] <philikon> when the content process loads
393. # [04:13] <philikon> hmm, i wonder if that's maybe a bad design
394. # [04:13] <philikon> since the content process might be rebooted?
395. # [04:13] <philikon> without chrome being rebooted
396. # [04:13] <philikon> and then the state is all messed up
397. # [04:13] <philikon> hmmm
398. # [04:14] <philikon> yeah i think i should maybe design around this
399. # [04:14] <philikon> anyway, thanks for listening
400. # [04:14] <@khuey> *crickets*
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402. # [04:14] <@khuey> but the answer is yes
403. # [04:14] <philikon> to what question
404. # [04:15] <@khuey> [19:06:06] <philikon> is there a way to have an xcpom service initialized when
405. # [04:15] <@khuey> the content process starts up?
406. # [04:15] <philikon> ah
407. # [04:15] <philikon> how?
408. # [04:15] <@khuey> like any other service that starts up with the browser
409. # [04:15] <@khuey> e.g. xpconnect
410. # [04:15] <philikon> category manager?
411. # [04:16] <@khuey> that's one way
412. # [04:16] <philikon> i tried that and it didn't seem to work
413. # [04:16] <@khuey> module constructors are also possible
414. # [04:16] <@khuey> hmm, that's interesting
415. # [04:16] <philikon> even more curious since i'm testing this in stock firefox
416. # [04:16] <philikon> hmm
417. # [04:16] <philikon> that makes me think my registration is off somehow
418. # [04:16] <@khuey> probably
419. # [04:16] <philikon> anwyay, i think i want to not depend on this anyhow
420. # [04:17] <@khuey> very possible
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439. # [04:54] <philikon> khuey: is there a way to find out which process i'm on?
440. # [04:54] <@khuey> XRE_GetProcessType
441. # [04:54] <philikon> in js...?
442. # [04:55] <gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/tests/SimpleTest/specialpowersAPI.js#823 ?
443. # [04:55] <gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/system/nsIXULRuntime.idl#90
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488. # [06:24] <cers> does anyone know anything about e4x?
489. # [06:24] <@khuey> I know its an abomination
490. # [06:24] <@khuey> does that count?
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499. # [06:29] <cers> khuey: close :-)
500. # [06:29] <cers> khuey: it's a "special" project I'm trying to use it for
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502. # [06:30] <cers> just wondering why on earth document.write(<a href="foo">bar</a>) writes only "bar" to the document
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566. # [08:12] <Callek> cjones: huh, I *thought* B2G bugs belonged in Bugzilla not github issues list
567. # [08:12] <Callek> cjones: wtf did I miss?
568. # [08:12] <Callek> [and if not bugzilla WHY O WHY]
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570. # [08:13] * Callek is replying to |Please file an issue https://github.com/andreasgal/b2g .|
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574. # [08:17] <cjones> gonk bugs are tracked in github
575. # [08:17] <cjones> that's where the code lives
576. # [08:18] <Callek> cjones: amo bugs are tracked in bmo, but zamboni lives in github
577. # [08:19] <Callek> cjones: we (mozilla) should track *mozilla* bugs in mozilla, imo
578. # [08:19] <Callek> if we want to *also* allow people to report in github thats fine, but all issues should be primarily tracked in bmo
579. # [08:19] <Callek> cjones: it is strictly my opinion, but I do feel *very* strongly about this
580. # [08:22] <Callek> cjones: especially because a good portion of B2G is gecko itself, (not all, but a good portion) meaning x-linking between Gonk Bugs and Gecko bugs is likely going to be required for dependencies/etc.
581. # [08:22] <Callek> and if we track all moz code in bmo, we're in good shape
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584. # [08:24] <cjones> i didn't really parse that first sentence, but
585. # [08:24] <cjones> gecko bugs are tracked in m-c
586. # [08:24] <cjones> other parts of b2g (gonk, gaia) are on a different release scheduled and are on github
587. # [08:24] <cjones> and tracked with github tools
588. # [08:24] <cjones> shadowing bugs on bmo adds overhead for no gain
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592. # [08:26] <Callek> cjones: if they are not controlled/managed/etc. by MoCo and are 3rd party platforms, then sure, we use whatever THEY use
593. # [08:26] <Callek> cjones: if they are MoCo properties, then they belong in bmo
594. # [08:26] <Callek> cjones: again I feel *very very* strongly on that
595. # [08:26] <Callek> but its late, so I'm off to bed
596. # [08:27] <cjones> that's an assertion, not an argument
597. # [08:27] <Callek> I might have to bring this up in a .planning thraed if your not convinced after I do a bit of prelim research so I'm not straw-manning it and not present stuff as fact without accompanying reasons/evidence
598. # [08:27] <Callek> [which I suspect I am doing now, since I'm overtired]
599. # [08:28] <cjones> if there's a good reason, it would be easy to convince me
600. # [08:28] <Callek> cjones: I'd counter that with "what is the good raeson for making code that is mozilla have a separate bug tracker we don't actually own"
601. # [08:29] <Callek> cjones: what if there is a gonk sec bug, and something as stupid as the github ssh-vuln happens again, etc.
602. # [08:29] <Callek> but either way, allow me to sleep and we'll revisit, in a planning thread if need be
603. # [08:29] <Callek> [/me won't post until next week at earliest]
604. # [08:30] <Callek> cjones: either way, goodnight
605. # [08:30] <Callek> :-)
606. # [08:31] <cjones> 'night
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640. # [09:33] <Ms2ger> So, try is "OPEN. For Bug 743329."?
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647. # [09:41] <gaston> Ms2ger: schrodinger try
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651. # [09:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d532b94c9f13 - Olli Pettay - Bug 743199 - Unmark Document's and Window's ELM, r=mccr8
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659. # [10:04] <@smaug> hmm, silly me
660. # [10:05] <@smaug> or, no, perhaps I'm not that silly after all
661. # [10:05] <Ms2ger> Nah, not *that* silly
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666. # [10:16] <gaston> hm, little usability question, in the 'manage search engine list' i'd have expected double clicking on the keyword field would make it editable
667. # [10:16] <gaston> anyone knows if it's been revamped by the preferences-in-tab process ?
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669. # [10:17] <gaston> err in-content preferences
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671. # [10:25] <gaston> hm make package fails for me now, and i'm pretty sure it used to be a warning before...
672. # [10:25] <gaston> Error: package error or possible missing or unnecessary file: bin/components/necko_wifi.xpt (package-manifest, 150).
673. # [10:25] <gaston> Error: package error or possible missing or unnecessary file: bin/components/profiler.xpt (package-manifest, 160).
674. # [10:25] <gaston> (of course those are not built/installed on my platform)
675. # [10:26] <Ms2ger> Ah, yes
676. # [10:26] <Ms2ger> You can thank Serge for that
677. # [10:27] <Ms2ger> Around bug 713132
678. # [10:27] <gaston> so, what bug/commit should i blame/reopen ?
679. # [10:27] <gaston> thanks :) !
680. # [10:28] <gaston> i didnt ever loor at the package-manifests, but cant some files be made conditional to the hundredth of MOZ_ENABLE_FOO we have ?
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682. # [10:31] <gaston> ok, seems so
683. # [10:31] <gaston> i'll file a depending bug..
684. # [10:31] <@smaug> whaat, did bugzilla just die
685. # [10:31] <gaston> ohtheres 739132 for necko-wifi already
686. # [10:31] <@smaug> ah, back again
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695. # [10:46] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=2b1ad3ba2d86
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697. # [10:50] <jaws> do we strip symbols from our binaries?
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703. # [10:53] <derf> jaws: Usually.
704. # [10:53] <jaws> oh ok, i was thinking about how there have been email threads recently about the size of our download
705. # [10:53] <jaws> i think it would impair our ability to do crash analysis, and i'm not sure if the tradeoff is worth it
706. # [10:54] <jaws> i don't think the tradeoff is worth it, but maybe we can still do crash analysis some other way
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708. # [10:54] <derf> You can keep a copy of the symbols for a particular build separately when you strip it.
709. # [10:54] <derf> So it shouldn't impact crash analysis.
710. # [10:54] <jaws> oh nice
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725. # [11:18] <NeilAway> bz: have you tried the /debug/ version? (Sorry if I already asked you before.)
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759. # [12:01] <gaston> http://jstenback.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/history-of-mozillas-dom-bindings/ <- this is insane
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762. # [12:02] <Ms2ger> Yep
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764. # [12:04] <gaston> (but very well written)
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769. # [12:07] <Ms2ger> gaston, the best part of this work is that we'll be able to rip out half a decade of XPConnect perf improvements :)
770. # [12:08] <gaston> but will it work on openbsd/ppc ? :D
771. # [12:08] <Ms2ger> Well, does trunk build? :)
772. # [12:09] <Ms2ger> Because all this is in nightlies already
773. # [12:09] <gaston> on amd64 yes, didnt test ppc since a while (gotta get back to the infamous yarr pcre bugfix)
774. # [12:10] <Ms2ger> Wait, did jst create a blog just for that post?
775. # [12:14] <nigelb> wow. that was a great read.
776. # [12:14] <derf> Ms2ger: Clearly not.
777. # [12:14] <Ms2ger> Also, I never realize how *old* jst is :)
778. # [12:15] <derf> He also made it for the next post he hasn't written yet.
779. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> derf, indeed so
780. # [12:15] <nigelb> heh
781. # [12:15] <nigelb> Ms2ger: Wait, does that mean you're young?
782. # [12:15] * nigelb assumed Ms2ger was old.
783. # [12:16] <Ms2ger> Get off my lawn!
784. # [12:16] <nigelb> heh
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912. # [15:45] <nigelb> ew?
913. # [15:45] <nigelb> lol.
914. # [15:45] <ew> nigelb: ;P
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948. # [16:53] <gaston> gerv: is it expected signin button on bmo being insensitive/doing nothing ? temporarly disabled ?
949. # [16:54] <gaston> (wanted to test browserid signin to bmo)
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955. # [17:07] <chewey> Will gecko mix IP versions for requests from one page (i.e., html doc) if parts of a page are available via v4 *and* v6 and parts only via v4?
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957. # [17:09] <chewey> (in case it matters, the page itself is served via v4)
958. # [17:11] <chewey> TO be even more specific: Youtube is dog slow here right now, and I discovered that the acutal videos – as opposed to th rest of the page – are delivered to me over the IPv6 tunnel I have (which is way faster than that usually).
959. # [17:13] <mbrubeck> gaston: WFM
960. # [17:13] <gaston> damn
961. # [17:13] <Dagger> each individual connection may go to any IP the hostname has, so yes, it'll happily mix
962. # [17:14] <chewey> Dagger: OK, thanks.
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964. # [17:14] <Dagger> I think IPv6 tunnels may mess with their geolocation (e.g. 2001:470::/32 appearing to be America, regardless of your actual location), which would explain the slowness
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966. # [17:16] <gaston> ah maybe i need to signin to browserid first, but then id expect the button to send me there..
967. # [17:16] <chewey> The OMG-it-is-long hostname it uses looks like it is pretty close to my tunnel endpoint.
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969. # [17:17] <gaston> ah seems it was just damn slow
970. # [17:19] <gaston> works
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981. # [17:36] <Kwan> Hey could someone please do a try run for me? Last patch in bug 737792
982. # [17:37] <mbrubeck> Kwan: sure
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984. # [17:37] <Kwan> mbrubeck: thanks
985. # [17:38] <mbrubeck> Kwan: What trychooser options would you like? http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/
986. # [17:38] <mbrubeck> If you're not sure, I'll use the default.
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988. # [17:41] <Kwan> mbrubeck: Yeah not really sure. I think android can be left off though, and --post-to-bugzilla would be nice
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990. # [17:41] <Kwan> try: -b do -p linux,linuxqt,linux64,macosx64,win32,win64 -u reftest,reftest-ipc,reftest-no-accel,crashtest,crashtest-ipc,xpcshell,jsreftest,jetpack,mozmill-all,opengl,peptest,mochitests -t none --post-to-bugzilla Bug 737792
991. # [17:41] <Kwan> maybe?
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996. # [17:43] <mbrubeck> sounds good. Maybe just "-u all" if you're not sure?
997. # [17:44] <Kwan> yeah probably a good idea.
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1000. # [17:46] <mbrubeck> Kwan: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=163b63a532de
1001. # [17:46] <Kwan> mbrubeck: great, thanks!
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1006. # [17:53] <NeilAway> gaston: yeah, browserid is damn slow :-(
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1016. # [18:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dd39182f70cb - Kyle Huey - Bug 697230: Part 3 - Make style images block onload. r=bz
1017. # [18:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/90c888efe410 - Kyle Huey - Bug 697230: Part 1 - Centralize style image observers. r=bz
1018. # [18:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/23fcc967bfce - Kyle Huey - Bug 697230: Part 2 - Push onload blocking logic down into imagelib. r=joe sr=bz
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1021. # [18:10] <@khuey> \o/
1022. # [18:10] <Ms2ger> All red!
1023. # [18:10] <@khuey> nah, this has been through try
1024. # [18:10] <Ms2ger> For once
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1027. # [18:11] <@khuey> :-P
1028. # [18:11] <derf> khuey: Wow, how long have you been working on that?
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1031. # [18:12] <@khuey> too long
1032. # [18:13] <nigelb> heh
1033. # [18:13] <Ms2ger> So, did someone break FAIL_ON_WARNINGS?
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1041. # [18:15] <@khuey> I hope so
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1078. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> Hmm, only locally
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1089. # [19:17] <@khuey> http://www.theonion.com/video/google-shuts-down-gmail-for-two-hours-to-show-its,27610/
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1102. # [19:21] <@khuey> bah
1103. # [19:21] <@khuey> android is orange
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1115. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> Of course it is
1116. # [19:31] <nigelb> I think we already have a meme on that ;-)
1117. # [19:32] <WG9s> but is orange with non known-orange reftest failures, which is really not normal.
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1119. # [19:33] <WG9s> android XUL has unknown oranges on R1 R2 ans r3
1120. # [19:34] <WG9s> seems to be khuey
1121. # [19:35] <WG9s> Bug 697230 pushes
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1126. # [19:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/babbc38b7f52 - Kyle Huey - Back out Bug 679230 due to Android reftest failures.
1127. # [19:45] * @khuey shakes his fist in android's direction
1128. # [19:45] <Ms2ger> :)
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1131. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> sprintf(startTime, "%lld", static_cast<PRInt64>(mStartTime));
1132. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> format ‘%lld’ expects type ‘long long int’, but argument 3 has type ‘time_t’
1133. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> Orly?
1134. # [19:48] <@khuey> tuesday will not be fun
1135. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> Tell me about it
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1137. # [19:50] <WG9s> Well, oddly it seems based on what I understand to be the development direction, we actaully need to pay more attention than we have been to Android XUL builds.
1138. # [19:50] <WG9s> As far as I know, unless something changes, the pan is that Windows 8 Metro will be based on fennec XUL.
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1142. # [19:52] <WG9s> s/pan/plan/
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1162. # [20:14] <artpar> what does the landing of a bug means ?
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1164. # [20:15] <KWierso> artpar: it means... the fix in the bug has landed in the development branch?
1165. # [20:16] <artpar> okay, thanks KWierso
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1167. # [20:24] <WG9s> artpar:It also does not mean that it has landed on a release or bta build or even that it will not need to be backed out of development because it broke more things than it fixed.
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1169. # [20:25] <WG9s> It just means that potential fix was approved to be checked in to the coe-base.
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1172. # [20:26] <artpar> what is "backed out of development" ? is it "ctrl+z to landing of the bug" becuase it broke something ?
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1174. # [20:27] <WG9s> But assuming all goes well, with the rapid release schedule, it is well on the way to making it to the release version.
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1176. # [20:28] <artpar> coe = "centre of excellence" OR "controller of examination" ? where do i get familiar with all these terms ?
1177. # [20:28] <WG9s> artpar: would be we added the fix to the code-base and it caused unforeseen new issues so we reverted to the old code that did not fix the originally reported issue.
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1179. # [20:29] <artpar> oh alright, and probably coe was typo of code, okay, thanks WG9s :)
1180. # [20:30] <WG9s> yes mostly jsut not trying to give you unjustified expectations. the likelihood is that this will go forward and be included in an upcoming release.
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1182. # [20:30] <WG9s> it is just not a guarantee becuase teting could reveal that it causes more issues than it fixes.
1183. # [20:30] <Callek> egad my awesomebar is broken
1184. # [20:30] <Callek> after pasting a data: png url that expanded to a 1600x1200 mac screenshot
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1186. # [20:31] * Callek grumbles b/c nothing in error console either
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1188. # [20:31] <artpar> actually the bug i am working on, i was asked by my mentor to wait for another bug(which is removing some functions which i needed) to land and then re-intergate my fix
1189. # [20:32] <WG9s> artpar: Ah so i misunderstood your origianl question. I thougt it was a s a user tying to figure out what a gube being landed meant as to tryinhg to figure out when their issue might be fixed in a release build.
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1193. # [20:33] <WG9s> if it was a you were told to wait for another bug to land first and now it has, I woudl think you are now ready to land your patch. Maybe give it a day before but I would think that is all that is required.
1194. # [20:35] <artpar> alright :) my mentor also said that i can just import THEIR patch first, then push my changes, instead of waiting for that patch to land
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1196. # [20:37] <WG9s> artpar: being a cautious person, if it has already landed, I would wait for the next nightly build that includes it , then add my patch so that any issue can clearly be traced to either my patch or the one it was dependent on. That is just how I would do it were it my patch.
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1198. # [20:38] <WG9s> I don;'t like being blamed for breaking things if it was not my fault.
1199. # [20:39] <artpar> well i agree to that part :)
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1203. # [20:39] <WG9s> On the other had, if it is my fault, I am perfectly willing to accept blame for the bustage.
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1205. # [20:41] <artpar> Okay, so in this irc status i see "next uplift 24th april" so i would need to wait till then ?
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1210. # [20:44] <WG9s> artpar: if you get your patch installed onmozilla-centrl that is when it would make it to the auroroa branch then 6 weeks after that to beta then another 6 weeks to the release build
1211. # [20:44] <Callek> ...or you could write your updated patch against mozilla-central itself
1212. # [20:44] <WG9s> so really 12 weeks after that to release, unless you can convince someone that this is so critical it needs to not follow the normal process.
1213. # [20:44] <Callek> which is usually a better choice, since your patch needs to land there first in 99% of the cases before it can land anywhere else
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1217. # [20:49] <artpar> okay, thanks you. btw, for the time i wait, what can i read to get more familiar with mozilla code, cuz writing fix for this first bug was took me a long time, XPCOM etc :/
1218. # [20:51] <WG9s> artpar: Seems like you took a much more complex issue is amy first one, Was not XPCOM related. ;)
1219. # [20:52] <WG9s> as a matter fo fact there are areas of code I just try to point out issues and not try to fix. I think you taking this on is a great thing!
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1221. # [20:55] <artpar> i might be using the wrong terminology here, but in all the code i have seen till now i see all these nsCOMPtr,getter,setters.. and i start to stumble :p
1222. # [20:55] <artpar> this is what i am doing : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110894
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1224. # [20:56] <artpar> i searched for these nsCOMPtr, getter_AddRefs, etc and i found xpcom
1225. # [20:56] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
1226. # [20:57] <artpar> so i said everything was on xpcom, so i though of reading xpcom, didnt get any beginners stuff, so i looked for COM stuff
1227. # [20:57] <artpar> people said book by Don Box on COM is the best
1228. # [20:58] <Callek> artpar: two good launching points for this stuff: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/The_Mozilla_platform and https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Developer_Guide
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1230. # [20:58] <artpar> but people also said COM is on the verge of dying (thats from a thread in 2009)
1231. # [20:58] <Callek> artpar: some of that may be a bit old/out of date, but I'm not sure top of my head
1232. # [20:58] <artpar> so i was confused :p
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1234. # [20:59] <artpar> now i will read these two links you sent :)
1235. # [20:59] <Callek> artpar: they link to https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM as one source of info as well ;-)
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1237. # [21:00] <artpar> okay, thanks Callek
1238. # [21:01] <Callek> artpar: fwiw, from my own experience, I wouldn't get too hung up on understanding the specifics those XPCOM-Related docs say, as much as learning how to use it by actually doing so
1239. # [21:01] <Callek> I understood far more myself when I started coding XPCOM related stuff than I did reading any docs we had on the subject
1240. # [21:02] <Callek> (I do reference docs/code once and a while, for a "hrm how do I do X, is there already something for that" among other things )
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1243. # [21:03] <artpar> how do i do that Callek ? it took me like 90 mins first time to set a string variable to what i needed, got all confused in nsAString, nsCString and other varities :p :p
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1245. # [21:04] <artpar> i am right now Kind of Scared of this code :p when someone tell me to do something in php/javascript i know how wud i go about doing it, but here is a different case :p
1246. # [21:05] <Callek> honestly with me and our ns*String I get confused as well
1247. # [21:05] <Callek> 90 minutes sounds about right for me to figure out concretely what string class I should be using as well ;-)
1248. # [21:05] <Callek> of course I also don't do too much String code in Cpp....
1249. # [21:06] <Callek> I get "lucky" and work with buildbot/build-system and occassionally UI-In-JS
1250. # [21:07] <Callek> but yea, there have been occassional conversations about merging many of our string classes to either a single API or at least something closer to stdlib <string> iirc.
1251. # [21:08] <Callek> artpar: and for the most part, we are a very understanding/helpful community, so when you are stuck on something we are generally glad to help anyone who is willing to do some of the work in fixing our bugs ;-)
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1254. # [21:09] <artpar> yeah, thats one of the reason i am still doing it :) i got a lot of help from this irc and my mentor :D totally amazing people
1255. # [21:09] <Callek> the degree of hands-on-help can vary, as in a "use nsACString.appendliteral() there" [I have no idea if thats a legit method top of my head, fwiw] vs, "heres the link to our guide on what string class to use" [e.g. https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_internal_string_guide or https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_external_string_guide]
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1258. # [21:11] <artpar> :)
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1263. # [21:17] <prazuber> Hi, can someone explain how to run reftests? I found guidelines on MDN, created simple reftests, but when I tried to run them, console says that grep is unknown command.
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1276. # [21:44] <Jesse> prazuber: what OS?
1277. # [21:45] <prazuber> Windows
1278. # [21:46] <prazuber> windows 7
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1281. # [21:50] <WG9s> prazuber: ddi you n ot install mozilla build?
1282. # [21:50] <WG9s> it shoudl have provided a grep command
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1284. # [21:51] <Jesse> prazuber: are you using a MozillaBuild prompt or a plain comes-with-windows cmd prompt?
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1286. # [21:51] <prazuber> oh... i was using cmd
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1288. # [21:54] <prazuber> thanks, it worked
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1294. # [22:01] <WG9s> khuey: Well now an orange on a reftest on your reftest fix backout. Looks like an infra type issue, but I really think you should star and not me. Just sayin'
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1302. # [22:18] <mimcpher> about:jank isn't working on current nightly. Is there a better way for me to find out why my browser is freezing?
1303. # [22:18] <Jesse> freezing for a second and recovering, or freezing forever?
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