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81. # [02:36] <Mark_Capella> Can someone tell me the status of Autoland procesing? I did a push to TRY through autoland whiteboard last night and
82. # [02:36] <Mark_Capella> it's still waiting in the queue
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92. # [02:59] <philor> Mark_Capella: nobody can since mjessome is |away and lsblakk is |afk, but since autoland hasn't landed anything since the try repo got broken and reset Friday morning, and a couple others are in-queue since then (having sat around for hours before going into the eternal queue), I'd bet that the status is "hosed"
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94. # [02:59] <Mark_Capella> :) yah i saw the problems it was having earlier but i thought it was fixed
95. # [03:00] <Mark_Capella> I just wanted confirmation :( oh well holidays and such
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180. # [05:32] <philor> we need a tree equivalent of http://textfromdog.tumblr.com/post/20541737176 so people can just tell me "SOMEONE BROKE INTO THE TREE. They just did a poo on $branch that looks a bit like one of mine," instead of me having to walk all around the forest looking for poo
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182. # [05:33] <jdm> how was I unaware of this comic until now?
183. # [05:33] * jdm subscribes
184. # [05:34] <nigelb> hehehe
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186. # [05:36] <heycam> reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfred_%28TV_series%29
187. # [05:40] <jdm> also reminds me of http://thehairpin.com/2012/02/text-messages-from-a-ghost
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258. # [08:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d25c5f07be7d - Blake Kaplan - Bug 742797 - Fix shutdown on ICS. r=cjones DONTBUILD
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291. # [09:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fb5ff0b8fd6c - Chris Jones - Bug 743617: Temporarily pref off omtc pending regression fixes. r=mwu (npotb) DONTBUILD
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300. # [09:26] <ewong_> what is needed to get a module listed in resource:///modules?
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304. # [09:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/22521568cf79 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 743603 - B2G Wifi: minor code readability improvement. r=mrbkap
305. # [09:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9aaed241e2b7 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 736091 - Add a forgetNetwork function that forgets the requested network. If the requested network is the current network, we reconnect to the next available network. r=cjones
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324. # [09:54] <nickc> Hi could someone give me some instruction on this bug 740764?
325. # [09:54] <nickc> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740764 nor, --, ---, nickyekaiqi, NEW, merge GetAttributes and GetAttributesInternal
326. # [09:54] <nickc> Thank you in advance!
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328. # [09:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9ca66ce2672f - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 743603 - B2G Wifi: minor code readability improvement. r=mrbkap
329. # [09:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0dea9827ef0e - Blake Kaplan - Backed out changeset 22521568cf79. It accidentally removed a file.
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345. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> Regression window:
346. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> Last Good : 05-Jan-2007 0856
347. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> First Bad : 06-Jan-2007 0533
348. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> \o/
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355. # [10:31] <mrbkap> msucan: what bug?
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357. # [10:31] <msucan> mrbkap: ?
358. # [10:32] <msucan> hello!
359. # [10:32] <msucan> wrong nick or?...
360. # [10:32] <Fallen> likely Ms2ger was meant
361. # [10:32] <Ms2ger> 743618
362. # [10:33] <msucan> ah, ok :)
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364. # [10:33] <Ms2ger> Too many m's
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369. # [10:41] <mrbkap> oops, sorry :(
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377. # [10:52] <Vikash> gerv: ping
378. # [10:52] <gerv> pong.
379. # [10:53] <Vikash> gerv: the other day I had a chat with teoli
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382. # [10:53] <Vikash> and he suggested me to cont writing examples for MDN
383. # [10:54] <Vikash> and as I am taking a session in my college on 16th and I would be making my slides in HTML5/CSS3 (or) deck.js
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385. # [10:55] <Vikash> so that will showcase the desired :-)
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387. # [10:56] <Vikash> gerv: ^ so would that be sufficient ? And has the work, like judging,ranking
388. # [10:57] <gerv> Vikash: we are in the middle of evaluations.
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390. # [10:57] <gerv> If you have more info for us to consider, add it as a comment.
391. # [10:57] <Vikash> gerv: Ah sorry to disturb then
392. # [10:57] <gerv> Examples for MDN are good,
393. # [10:57] <gerv> as are any other examples that you know HTML5/CSS3 well.
394. # [10:58] <Vikash> ok, like the other day I added links for figure (whichI missed in my proposal)
395. # [10:59] <Vikash> gerv: Some time ago I had small bits but unfortunately I lost all the code :( but the slides will be on github and I will add both the examples in my github repo as well
396. # [10:59] <Vikash> I will make something and surly put in on github and share the link on comments
397. # [10:59] <Vikash> :)
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400. # [11:02] <Vikash> gerv: ^ (and) So I think it should work that way
401. # [11:03] <gerv> Sure.
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403. # [11:03] <Vikash> gerv: Thanks :)
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416. # [11:32] <JuanDaugherty> I have some js code using random numbers which after a number of executions seems to hang the js executor at least on that page
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418. # [11:34] <JuanDaugherty> in every major browser. But clearing the cache clears it.
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429. # [11:49] <JuanDaugherty> looks like a bug (mine)
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436. # [12:00] <JuanDaugherty> (the every major browser vs. me should have been a clue)
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452. # [12:16] <Ms2ger> edmorley, bug 743632 is one you'll like
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521. # [14:01] <ewong_> anyone know where in the code do I add my .jsm if I want it to be under |resource:///modules/testmod| ?
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527. # [14:17] <KaiRo> ewong_: it doesn't depend on where in the tree you add it, you need to make it be treated correctly by the build system
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529. # [14:20] <harsh> hi robcee
530. # [14:20] <harsh> hi robcee
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533. # [14:20] <KaiRo> ewong_: but I'd look at suite/modules/ and its Makefile.in in your case ;-)
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556. # [14:50] <nickc> Anyone here to help?
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559. # [14:51] <nickc> Anyone to help?
560. # [14:52] <gcp> maybe
561. # [14:52] <gcp> just ask your question
562. # [14:53] <gcp> joe: ping
563. # [14:54] <ewong_> KaiRo if I want to add something under modules, is there a SM policy on that?
564. # [14:54] <nickc> I wanna get some instructions on bug 740764
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566. # [14:55] <nickc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740764
567. # [14:56] <tbsaunde> nickc: sure, but #accessibility or #introduction is probably better place to ask
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569. # [14:56] <nickc> Oh! Thanks tbsaude
570. # [14:57] <nickc> tbsaunde
571. # [14:57] <nickc> my bad
572. # [14:57] <KaiRo> ewong_: put a .jsm file there, add it in the right place in the Makefile.in and that's it
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574. # [14:59] <jviereck> is there a way to run the unit tests only for a subset of the tree? In my case, I only want to run the canvas unit tests.
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576. # [15:00] <gcp> dholbert: ping
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586. # [15:08] <nickc> Bug 738710, where should I start?
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588. # [15:09] <nickc> Which files I should look at?
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593. # [15:11] <jviereck> ttaubert: can you help me with this?"is there a way to run the unit tests only for a subset of the tree? In my case, I only want to run the canvas unit tests."
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628. # [15:31] <Ms2ger> !summon jviereck
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635. # [15:37] <@bz> anyone know what this "firefox" process is on Mac?
636. # [15:38] <@bz> that chews up tons of CPU and can be killed without the browser being affected, afaict?
637. # [15:38] <sheppy> Weird. What files does it have open? Might help figure out where it cam from.
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640. # [15:40] * Ms2ger curses editor some more
641. # [15:42] <Ms2ger> Oh, hmm, SameCOMIdentity does actually QI
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643. # [15:44] <Ms2ger> Another thing
644. # [15:44] <Ms2ger> nsCOMPtr<nsIDocument> doc = do_QueryReferent(mDocWeak);
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646. # [15:44] <Ms2ger> doc->Foo();
647. # [15:44] <Ms2ger> bz, ^ safe or unsafe?
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651. # [15:46] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, don't forget to star your oranges
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655. # [15:48] <sheppy> Stupid question: what does that mean, "star your oranges"? :)
656. # [15:48] * Ms2ger whacks sheppy with a rubber chicken
657. # [15:49] <sheppy> If this is covered on MDN somewhere I will be redfaced.
658. # [15:49] <sheppy> That was a serious question, though.
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662. # [15:49] <Ms2ger> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Committing_Rules_and_Responsibilities#Watch_The_Tree
663. # [15:49] <Ms2ger> sheppy, ^
664. # [15:50] <sheppy> Doh!
665. # [15:50] * nical|away is now known as nical
666. # [15:50] * sheppy is redfaced.
667. # [15:50] <Ms2ger> Hi ehsan!
668. # [15:50] <davidb> sheppy: and here I thought you knew EVERYTHING!
669. # [15:50] <@ehsan> hey
670. # [15:51] <sheppy> Hm, I don't see "star" there anywhere though.
671. # [15:52] <jfkthame> sheppy: see under "Dealing with test failures"
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673. # [15:52] <sheppy> There it is! Okay then.
674. # [15:53] * sheppy makes a note to do a minor copy-edit and tagging pass on that page when he sits down at a keyboard in a bit.
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676. # [15:53] <Ms2ger> Do you have time for that, then? :)
677. # [15:54] <jfkthame> you're typing on irc without a keyboard?
678. # [15:54] <sheppy> iPad doesn't work well with our wiki's editor. :)
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681. # [15:55] <jfkthame> you want a tablet that runs a proper browser :P
682. # [15:55] <sheppy> I have a Galaxy Tab but just can't stand Android, so I only use it for testing stuff.
683. # [15:55] <Ms2ger> Yeah, a browser with a proper editor
684. # [15:55] <Ms2ger> Like Chrome
685. # [15:56] <jfkthame> ouch!
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687. # [15:56] <sheppy> Haha
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689. # [15:58] * Ms2ger always enjoys trolling ehsan's code
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691. # [15:59] <@ehsan> now it's "my" code? ;)
692. # [15:59] <sheppy> Isn't it? /)
693. # [15:59] <sheppy> If the user has Word installed, just embed it. ;)
694. # [16:00] * mcote|afk is now known as mcote
695. # [16:01] <jtcranmer> I'm trying to figure out if Word's IE 5.5 editor is better or worse than Gecko's editor
696. # [16:01] <sheppy> Heh
697. # [16:01] <Ms2ger> Is the latter really an option?
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699. # [16:01] <jtcranmer> the former really isn't either
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701. # [16:02] <sheppy> Boy are we screwed then.
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703. # [16:02] <@ehsan> why is everyone so disappointed on a Monday?
704. # [16:02] <sheppy> Monday is "Harsh on the Editor Day."
705. # [16:03] <sheppy> Also, we're shy on chipper Canadians today to pick up our spirits.
706. # [16:03] <Ms2ger> No
707. # [16:03] <jtcranmer> I just drove 6 hours yesterday, and I find out that everyone demands I finish my projects right now?
708. # [16:03] <Ms2ger> Every day is "Harsh on the Editor Day."
709. # [16:03] <jtcranmer> Editor code is an acceptable target
710. # [16:03] <sheppy> Ms2ger: Fair enough.
711. # [16:04] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: you know the code is open source and all?
712. # [16:04] <@ehsan> patches accepted :P
713. # [16:04] <jtcranmer> just like... uh... ... ... ... ... ...
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715. # [16:04] * jtcranmer 's brain broke
716. # [16:04] <sheppy> I expect the code is scary though.
717. # [16:04] <Ms2ger> sheppy, yes, it is
718. # [16:04] <sheppy> Editor code almost always is.
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720. # [16:05] <jtcranmer> well, there's no occurences of certain four-letter words in editor code
721. # [16:05] <jtcranmer> so that's a good sign
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723. # [16:05] <Ms2ger> jtcranmer, that's because nobody touched it since the cleansing for the netscape code release
724. # [16:05] <sheppy> That's probably because it's largely uncommented.
725. # [16:06] <jtcranmer> what if I said the four letter word was "good"? :-P
726. # [16:06] <sheppy> Hahahha
727. # [16:06] <sheppy> Or "sane"
728. # [16:06] <@bz> sheppy: hmm. I'll try to take a look at the files open thing next time it happens
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730. # [16:06] <jtcranmer> [which, unfortunately, happes to be false]
731. # [16:06] <@bz> Ms2ger: unsafe, if there's no null-check
732. # [16:07] <jtcranmer> html/nsHTMLEditor.cpp:4874: // attribute; let's set it the good'n'old HTML way
733. # [16:07] <@bz> Ms2ger: since the whole point of a weakref is it can go null!
734. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> bz, another reason to complain about editor, then!
735. # [16:07] <bhearsum> FYI everyone: i just enabled signing of mac builds across the board. if you see any weird issues with any mac builds, please let me know
736. # [16:07] <jtcranmer> "good'n'old" ? who uses that anymore?
737. # [16:07] <bhearsum> any problems should surface as red or purple builds, if they happen
738. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> jtcranmer, when did that comment get added?
739. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> I'd start looking at cvs
740. # [16:07] <jtcranmer> that takes too long
741. # [16:07] <sheppy> jtcranmer: people trying to trick you by sneaking the word "good" into the code.
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743. # [16:08] <@bz> Ms2ger: editor code quality started out not great and then didn't get improved when other things did
744. # [16:08] <Ms2ger> I know right
745. # [16:08] <jtcranmer> I know!
746. # [16:08] <@bz> Ms2ger: so at this point it's like some undiscovered tribe in the Amazon watching the airplanes fly overhead
747. # [16:08] <jtcranmer> let's have everyone stop what they're working on
748. # [16:08] <jtcranmer> find one editor bug
749. # [16:08] <jtcranmer> and fi it
750. # [16:09] <jtcranmer> er, fix it
751. # [16:09] <@bz> jtcranmer: then repeat a few times?
752. # [16:09] <jtcranmer> do this once a month
753. # [16:09] <Ms2ger> "onuploadprogress" in new XMLHttpRequest()
754. # [16:09] <Ms2ger> True or false?
755. # [16:09] <jtcranmer> and, in no time, we'll have a great editor!
756. # [16:09] <sheppy> I like that idea. The editor could use it.
757. # [16:09] <@bz> jtcranmer: the thing is, patching around the edges is not the efficient way to deal with this. What's needed is some serious code cleanup
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759. # [16:09] <jesup> jtcranmer: onec a day... and then we'd get somewhere :-)
760. # [16:09] <@bz> Ms2ger: lemme check
761. # [16:09] <jtcranmer> well, ehsan would probably die from the review overload :-P
762. # [16:10] <sheppy> bz: that's probably true. It really needs some real love.
763. # [16:10] <@ehsan> I never complain about reviewing patches :)
764. # [16:10] <jesup> bz: agreed
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766. # [16:10] <jtcranmer> bz: I was being facetious there
767. # [16:10] <@bz> ms2ger: used to be true
768. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> jtcranmer, turns out to be glazou in January 2002
769. # [16:11] <@bz> ms2ger: became false?
770. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> Yes
771. # [16:11] <@bz> ms2ger: since it's nonstandard and all
772. # [16:11] <jesup> I love how the editor seems to lose the cursor display/blink at times (and doesn't blink at anything like consistent rates - though it does tell you when GC is taking too long)
773. # [16:11] <@bz> ms2ger: that was probably a bad call; we should put it back and file a separate bug for removing it
774. # [16:11] * Ms2ger would be happy to see it go
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777. # [16:11] <@bz> ms2ger: though if nothing is obviously broken....
778. # [16:11] * @bz should have reviewed the idl more carefully
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780. # [16:12] <Ms2ger> I'll file a bug
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782. # [16:12] <Ms2ger> Ah, jviereck
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784. # [16:12] <Ms2ger> make TEST_PATH=content/canvas/ mochitest-plain
785. # [16:12] <@bz> Ms2ger: cc sicking, please, and probably peterv
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788. # [16:12] <@bz> the thing that amuses me most about editor
789. # [16:13] <@bz> are the people who want to custom-write their own because they don't like the built-in one
790. # [16:13] <@ehsan> jesup: our caret is really just a GC perf monitor
791. # [16:13] <@ehsan> just like the rest of the stuff which happens off of our main thread event loop :(
792. # [16:13] <jesup> ehsan: ROFL
793. # [16:14] <sheppy> bz: instead of fixing the built in one? <rageface>
794. # [16:14] <@ehsan> I was sarcastically serious ;)
795. # [16:15] <sheppy> Every now and then, there's a round of discussion about how work needs to be done on editor, then nothing happens.
796. # [16:15] <sheppy> Hm.
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798. # [16:16] <sheppy> Maybe dev engagement should use some of its contractor dollars to pay someone to fix editor bugs for a while. Hm.
799. # [16:16] <sheppy> Given what a problem they are for us.
800. # [16:16] <@bz> sheppy: no, because they think they can do better
801. # [16:16] * philor|away is now known as philor
802. # [16:17] <wlach> sheppy: this doesn't really address the issue, but have you tried "it's all text!" ? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/its-all-text/
803. # [16:17] <sheppy> bz: ah. Well, yeah. And editors are hard.
804. # [16:17] <sheppy> wlach: yeah, doesn't help because I need wysiwyg editing.
805. # [16:17] <sheppy> So it's not all text. :)
806. # [16:17] <wlach> sheppy: ah, boo
807. # [16:18] <sheppy> Yeah. :)
808. # [16:18] <Ms2ger> sheppy, well, one thing that would help is if the one guy we hired to work in editor recently didn't end up working on mobile
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810. # [16:18] <jviereck> Ms2ger: thanks a lot. Btw, the canvas stuff I'm working on is "done", such that I will ask for feedback from roc :)
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812. # [16:19] <Ms2ger> jviereck, printing, I presume?
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814. # [16:19] <jviereck> yes
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817. # [16:20] <@ehsan> sheppy: do you remember the bug you filed last week?
818. # [16:20] <sheppy> ehsan: yeah
819. # [16:20] <@ehsan> I can't seem to find it :/
820. # [16:20] <sheppy> Huh.
821. # [16:20] <Ms2ger> ehsan, I remember the bug I filed this morning :)
822. # [16:20] <@ehsan> ok found it
823. # [16:20] <@ehsan> nm
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826. # [16:20] <Ms2ger> Which, IIRC, I pointed out to you a while ago :)
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828. # [16:21] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I haven't looked at my bugmail today
829. # [16:21] <sheppy> ehsan: bug 742889
830. # [16:21] <sheppy> Ah
831. # [16:21] * stefanh|away is now known as stefanh
832. # [16:21] <@ehsan> yeah
833. # [16:22] <@ehsan> sheppy: Site settings could not be loaded
834. # [16:22] <@ehsan> should I file a bug? ;)
835. # [16:22] <sheppy> ehsan: give it a minute
836. # [16:22] <@ehsan> ok
837. # [16:22] <@ehsan> is this normal?
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839. # [16:22] * @ehsan has seen this before on MDN
840. # [16:22] <sheppy> Must be in the middle of an auto-restart to reset after a problem was detected.
841. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> bz, TR/?
842. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743615#c4 )
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846. # [16:24] <sheppy> So many nagios messages :)
847. # [16:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: I blame Google. ;)
848. # [16:25] <catlee> IT is doing something with the DBs
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850. # [16:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/common-dom-interfaces.html#safe-passing-of-structured-data is the same, though
851. # [16:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: though...
852. # [16:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: according to that spec typed arrays are not clonable
853. # [16:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: which (1) seems like a spec bug and (2) if implemented would have made ImageData not clonable before
854. # [16:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: hence the need to test what's really going on
855. # [16:26] <Ms2ger> Mm
856. # [16:26] <Ms2ger> bbiab
857. # [16:26] <@bz> Ms2ger: ok
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859. # [16:27] <c0smikdebris> bz: hey. i wanted to talk to you about the gsoc proposal
860. # [16:27] <@bz> c0smikdebris: ok
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862. # [16:28] <@bz> hmm
863. # [16:28] <@bz> mdn down?
864. # [16:29] <sheppy> Database server is offline.
865. # [16:29] <sheppy> I'm told IT is up to something.
866. # [16:29] <sheppy> Although not necessarily by authoritative sources. :)
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870. # [16:32] <espindola> "Loading failed: parsererror" on try. Known problem?
871. # [16:32] <bear-buildduty> FYI - closing trees
872. # [16:32] <bear-buildduty> buildbot's production db master is offline
873. # [16:33] <espindola> :-(
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875. # [16:34] <sheeri> bear-buildduty it should be coming back shortly
876. # [16:35] <bear-buildduty> I still have to close the trees
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879. # [16:35] <sheeri> bear-buildduty I know, I'm letting you know the status
880. # [16:36] <bear-buildduty> thanks :)
881. # [16:37] <sheppy> Starting to get happy status from nagios for MDN.
882. # [16:37] <sheppy> And MDN is back on.
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887. # [16:40] <sheeri> the db is back, if you can confirm it's up then that's good
888. # [16:40] <sheppy> Yay thanks
889. # [16:40] <sheeri> bear-buildduty the status is db is back
890. # [16:40] <bear-buildduty> sheeri - thanks
891. # [16:40] <sheeri> np
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896. # [16:43] <@bz> window.postMessage(obj, "*")
897. # [16:43] <@bz> is what I was using to test
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899. # [16:44] <@bz> I just commented in the bug, btw
900. # [16:44] <@bz> you may want to read that before doing more testing. ;)
901. # [16:44] <sheppy> :)
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904. # [16:46] <Ms2ger> Thanks :)
905. # [16:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: spec bugs filed
906. # [16:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: we just need to fix our structured clone bits
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910. # [16:47] <Ms2ger> bz, I think typed arrays might have been cloneable before the Transferable stuff...
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914. # [16:47] * Ms2ger defaults to blaming Khronos
915. # [16:48] <sheppy> Heh
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923. # [16:52] <Ms2ger> bz, https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13800
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925. # [16:53] <Ms2ger> I appear to be correct about Khronos dropping the ball
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938. # [17:02] <@bz> uh
939. # [17:03] <@bz> Ms2ger: that bug is quoting ImageData bits from structured clone... but even those aren't there now. :(
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944. # [17:07] <blassey> joey: did you mean to land config/rules.mk.orig?
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946. # [17:07] <blassey> khuey|away: ^
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949. # [17:08] <joey> blassey: no, there are two *.orig files that need to be removed
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958. # [17:16] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: are you interested in fixing bug 743632 or should I?
959. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> Go for it
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961. # [17:17] <@ehsan> alright
962. # [17:18] <Ms2ger> firefox-bin(349,0x106c5e000) malloc: *** error for object 0x10508c460: pointer being freed was not allocated
963. # [17:18] <Ms2ger> Nice
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967. # [17:19] <@khuey> blassey: there's a patch floating around to remove them somewhere
968. # [17:19] <@khuey> maybe on inbound
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971. # [17:21] <bear-buildduty> closing the trees to prepare for some database work that will start in less than a half hour
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1024. # [17:56] <Hixie> bz: pong
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1027. # [17:56] <@bz> hixie: I filed some bugs
1028. # [17:56] <@bz> hixie: but short story is that per current spec imagedata is not clonable
1029. # [17:57] <@bz> hixie: which doesn't seem to match reality
1030. # [17:57] <Hixie> imagedata is just an arraybuffer, no?
1031. # [17:57] <Hixie> oh imagedata
1032. # [17:57] <Hixie> not the actual array
1033. # [17:57] <Hixie> hm
1034. # [17:57] <@bz> hixie: arraybuffers are not clobable either
1035. # [17:57] <@bz> hixi: per current spec
1036. # [17:57] <@bz> hixi: hence bug_s_
1037. # [17:57] * Hixie looks at the bugs
1038. # [17:57] <Hixie> they're supposed to be :_)
1039. # [17:57] <@bz> hixie: yeah, well
1040. # [17:57] <@bz> hixie: anyway, I believe ImageData needs to be too
1041. # [17:58] <Ms2ger> Hixie, also see https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13800
1042. # [17:58] <Hixie> yeah both are supposed to be
1043. # [17:58] <@bz> hixie: at least Chrome and Firefox support it (modulo a recent bug we introduced)
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1045. # [17:59] <froydnj> bz: why do you use [needs review] when there's already a r? on the patch? is that a dom-team-specific thing?
1046. # [18:00] <@khuey> that's a bz specific thing
1047. # [18:00] <@bz> froydnj: that's so I can keep track of what state my bugs are in
1048. # [18:00] <@bz> froydnj: specifically so I can easily look for the sets "bugs that are waiting on me to do something" and "bugs that I need to poke someone about"
1049. # [18:01] <@bz> froydnj: having the "person on the hook" thing in Bugzilla people keep talking about would help with the former and maybe with the latter
1050. # [18:01] <Hixie> bz: ok so for the arraybuffer stuff i don't see what's wrong -- postMessage() invokes the Transferable logic which the typed aray spec hooks into
1051. # [18:02] <@bz> basically, every so often I load up my buglist, look for the [needs review] and send some emails
1052. # [18:02] <@bz> Hixie: oh?
1053. # [18:02] * @bz checks
1054. # [18:02] * froydnj naively thinks that the assigned field would do that, but whether assigned is actually meaningful...
1055. # [18:02] <Hixie> bz: it does seem that you are right about ImageData, though, dunno what happened there...
1056. # [18:02] <@bz> froydnj: I can't reassign the bug to the reviewer, right?
1057. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> Add the following to the list of Transferable types:
1058. # [18:02] <@khuey> you could try
1059. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> ArrayBuffer
1060. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> http://www.khronos.org/registry/typedarray/specs/latest/#9
1061. # [18:02] <froydnj> bz: suppose not
1062. # [18:03] <@khuey> the fun thing about using assigned to for that
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1065. # [18:03] <@khuey> would be when the patches have multiple reviewers
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1067. # [18:03] <@bz> Hixie: let me sort through the transferable stuff, one sec
1068. # [18:03] <Ms2ger> It's just the typed array spec not bothering to write IDL, I think
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1070. # [18:04] <froydnj> khuey: think how much fun the paris bindings review + assignment would have been with that!
1071. # [18:04] <Ms2ger> froydnj, easy: assign to khuey
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1073. # [18:05] <froydnj> heh
1074. # [18:05] <@khuey> :-P
1075. # [18:05] <@bz> hixie: still there?
1076. # [18:06] * @khuey is not exactly thrilled that the canonical name now seems to be "Paris bindings"
1077. # [18:06] <Hixie> bz: yup
1078. # [18:06] <@bz> hixie: I'm not sure how the Transferable stuff helps, but maybe I'm missing something
1079. # [18:06] <Hixie> bz: how would it not help?
1080. # [18:06] <Ms2ger> khuey, "Cheese bindings"?
1081. # [18:06] <@bz> hixie: so say I have a postMessage(ctx.getImageData(...))
1082. # [18:06] <@bz> hixie: we enter 2.8.6
1083. # [18:06] <@bz> hixie: transfer map is empty
1084. # [18:06] <@bz> hixie: right?
1085. # [18:07] <@khuey> Ms2ger: r+
1086. # [18:07] <Hixie> bz: start with postMessage(ctx.getImageData(...).data)
1087. # [18:07] <@bz> hixie: no
1088. # [18:07] <Hixie> bz: i agree that ImageData objects are broken
1089. # [18:07] <@bz> hixie: well, fine
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1091. # [18:07] <@bz> hixie: say we do postMessage(ctx.getImageData(...).data)
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1093. # [18:07] <@bz> hixie: so we enter 2.8.6, the transfer map is empty
1094. # [18:08] <@bz> hixie: we invoke the internal algorithm with the typed array as the input
1095. # [18:08] <@bz> hixie: step 1 does nothing, afaict
1096. # [18:08] <@bz> hixie: step 2 does nothing
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1098. # [18:08] <@bz> hixie: step 3 if cascade lands us at "is a host object" or maybe "another native object" and we throw
1099. # [18:08] <@bz> hixie: what am I missing?
1100. # [18:09] <Hixie> bz: http://www.khronos.org/registry/typedarray/specs/latest/#9.3
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1103. # [18:10] <@bz> hixie: hmm
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1106. # [18:10] <@bz> hixie: ok
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1108. # [18:10] <@bz> hixie: the wording there needs fixing, because the consumer algorithm doesn't ask to "clone"
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1111. # [18:11] <@bz> hixie: as in, step 3 needs a name in the internal structured cloning algorithm
1112. # [18:12] <@bz> hixie: make sense?
1113. # [18:12] <Hixie> bz: yeah the plan is to just move it all to the html spec, i'm waiting for kbr's ok to do that
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1115. # [18:12] <@bz> hixie: I see
1116. # [18:12] <Hixie> bz: (that's the bug Ms2ger pointed to)
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1118. # [18:13] <@bz> hixie: ok
1119. # [18:13] <@bz> sounds like my bug is a dup of 13800, then
1120. # [18:13] <@bz> at first glance
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1133. # [18:23] <jviereck> is there a plan to remove the synchronous of XHR in workers?
1134. # [18:24] <@bz> afaik no
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1136. # [18:24] <@bz> why would one do that?
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1148. # [18:30] <Hixie> bz: ok, fixed both bugs. ImageData by adding it back to the algorithm and the other thing by calling it "clone" explicitly.
1149. # [18:31] <@bz> hixie: lovely, thanks
1150. # [18:31] * @bz just needs to get this fixed on our end too....
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1164. # [18:37] <@bsmedberg> bz: is nsPrintfCString ever highly perf-sensitive?
1165. # [18:37] <@bz> bsmedberg: I'd really hope not
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1169. # [18:38] <@khuey> the better question is
1170. # [18:39] <@bz> khuey: webidl question for you
1171. # [18:39] <@khuey> why hasn't nsPrintfCString been shot
1172. # [18:39] <@khuey> uh oh
1173. # [18:39] * @khuey hides
1174. # [18:39] <@bz> khuey: Does WebIDL actually restrict the set of values for [TreatUndefinedAs] ?
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1176. # [18:39] <@bsmedberg> khuey: well, kinda working on it
1177. # [18:39] <@khuey> I don't think it does
1178. # [18:39] * @khuey checks the spec
1179. # [18:40] <@bz> ok
1180. # [18:40] * @bz is trying to understand the behavior of "[TreatUndefinedAs=Foopy] DOMSTring? foo" when undefined is passed
1181. # [18:40] <@bz> looks like it results in "undefined"
1182. # [18:40] * @bz is not sure whether that's purposeful
1183. # [18:40] <@khuey> bz: oh, it does
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1185. # [18:41] <@khuey> "The [TreatUndefinedAs] extended attribute MUST take an identifier: EmptyString, Null or Missing. "
1186. # [18:41] <@bz> ok
1187. # [18:41] <@bz> s/Foopy/Missing/
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1189. # [18:41] <@khuey> bz: Missing can only be specified on optional args
1190. # [18:42] <@bz> hmm
1191. # [18:42] <Ms2ger> bz, [TreatUndefinedAs=Missing] is a mythical beast that hasn't been spotted in the wild, AFAIK
1192. # [18:42] <@bz> so ok
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1194. # [18:42] <@bz> "[TreatUndefinedAs=Missing] optional DOMString? foo"
1195. # [18:42] <Ms2ger> argc--
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1197. # [18:43] <@bz> and now someone explicitly passes undefined
1198. # [18:43] <@khuey> " If it is specified as [TreatUndefinedAs=Missing] on an optional operation argument, then an explicit undefined value will cause the function call to be treated as if the argument had been omitted. "
1199. # [18:43] <@bz> yeah
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1201. # [18:43] <@bz> I know what Missing does
1202. # [18:43] * @bz reads stuff more carefully
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1204. # [18:43] <@bz> ok
1205. # [18:43] <@bz> nevermind
1206. # [18:44] <@bz> I'm just on crack
1207. # [18:44] <@khuey> :-)
1208. # [18:44] <Ms2ger> Is that legal?
1209. # [18:44] * @khuey can quote the spec at you, but that's not very useful
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1211. # [18:44] <@bz> so I think the spec has extra verbiage here which just doesn't need to be there
1212. # [18:44] <@bz> specifically
1213. # [18:44] <@bz> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#es-nullable-type
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1215. # [18:44] <@bz> The "Otherwise, if the argument given to [TreatUndefinedAs] is Null" case
1216. # [18:45] <@bz> because afaict step 3 covers it
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1218. # [18:45] <Ms2ger> No
1219. # [18:45] <@bz> unless entering step 1.1 means we'll never get to 3?
1220. # [18:45] <Ms2ger> Right
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1222. # [18:45] <@bz> But then we need a 1.3
1223. # [18:45] <@bz> for the case when TreatUndefinedAs is Missing
1224. # [18:46] <Ms2ger> Does that case end up calling the type conversion?
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1226. # [18:46] <@bz> no, it's just not defined
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1228. # [18:46] <@bz> if you're right that we simply never get to 3
1229. # [18:46] <@bz> since we would likewise not get to 4
1230. # [18:47] <@khuey> you only don't get to (3) if you enter (1.1) or (1.2), right?
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1232. # [18:47] <@bz> that's not obvious from the phrasing
1233. # [18:47] <@bz> at least to Ms2ger....
1234. # [18:47] <@khuey> so 1.3 is "fallthrough" I think
1235. # [18:47] <Ms2ger> khuey, it isn't
1236. # [18:47] <@khuey> orly?
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1238. # [18:47] <Ms2ger> And heycam|away agreed with me in the bug he just fixed ;)
1239. # [18:48] * @bz will now claim that this spec section needs work
1240. # [18:48] <@bz> no matter what behavior it's _trying_ to specify
1241. # [18:48] <Ms2ger> My point is that WebIDL doesn't do a type conversion from undefined to a WebIDL value if no argument is passed
1242. # [18:48] <Ms2ger> (Also, https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16607)
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1244. # [18:48] <@bz> yes, but I'm talking about the "argument passed" case
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1247. # [18:49] <Ms2ger> You need to act as if it isn't passed
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1249. # [18:49] <Ms2ger> Anyway, dinner, bbiab
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1252. # [18:49] <@bz> Ms2ger: uh?
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1254. # [18:50] <@bz> Ms2ger: where the hell does it say _that_ ?
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1257. # [18:50] <@bz> Ms2ger: oh, I see, for Missing
1258. # [18:50] <@bz> Ms2ger: hmm
1259. # [18:50] * @bsmedberg needs a way to unit-test nsPrintfCString
1260. # [18:50] <@bz> Ms2ger: so we can't enter this code for the Missing case?
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1264. # [18:52] <@bz> So
1265. # [18:52] <@bz> [TreatUndefinedAs=Null]
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1267. # [18:52] <@bz> on a non-nullable tring
1268. # [18:52] <@bz> er, string
1269. # [18:52] <@bz> allowed by spec?
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1277. # [18:53] <@khuey> bz: "[TreatUndefinedAs=Null] MUST NOT be specified on operation argument, attribute or operation return value whose type is not DOMString?"
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1283. # [18:53] <@bz> khuey: where does it say that?
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1285. # [18:54] <@specquoter> 4.3.15
1286. # [18:54] <@bz> oh
1287. # [18:54] <@bz> indeed
1288. # [18:54] * @bz mised that paragraph
1289. # [18:54] <@bz> ok, great
1290. # [18:54] <@bz> heycam is not as on crack as I thought. ;)
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1293. # [18:54] <@specquoter> I hear the strong stuff isn't available in Australia
1294. # [18:54] * @specquoter intends to do some investigation next week
1295. # [18:54] <@bz> you going to be in AUS?
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1297. # [18:54] <@specquoter> next week, yes
1298. # [18:55] <@bz> nice
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1300. # [18:55] <jhammel> Addon Update Service? /me is confused
1301. # [18:55] <@khuey> we're having a memshrink meetup in Melbourne with njn
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1304. # [18:56] <@bz> ah, awesome
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1309. # [18:59] <@bz> something is really busted with mac nightlies
1310. # [18:59] <@bz> every so often they just start chewing up 100% CPU
1311. # [18:59] <@bz> is there a known bug on this? :(
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1313. # [19:00] <sheppy> bz: hm, I haven't seen that on mine but maybe I'm not doing the right things.
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1337. # [19:10] <dholbert> gcp, pong
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1339. # [19:11] <gcp> dholbert: can you peek at bug 722391?
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1341. # [19:11] <dholbert> gcp, sure -- hwat about it?
1342. # [19:11] <dholbert> *what
1343. # [19:12] <gcp> can that just be landed?
1344. # [19:12] * mbrubeck prepares to merge inbound -> m-c
1345. # [19:12] <dholbert> gcp, it appears so, given that it's got r+ and good Try results
1346. # [19:13] <gcp> dholbert: wanna take it? :P
1347. # [19:13] <dholbert> sure
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1349. # [19:13] <gcp> (I have no need for this myself, but the bug is sortof orphaned)
1350. # [19:13] <dholbert> gcp, mind posting a patch with a checkin message? (or suggesting a checkin message here)
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1352. # [19:14] <Ms2ger> dholbert, "Bug 722391 - Upgrade to zlib 1.2.6; rs=joe"
1353. # [19:14] <dholbert> (ah, yes, it's been a few weeks since its try run)
1354. # [19:14] <gcp> Upgrade to zlib 1.2.6 looks fine
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1356. # [19:14] <dholbert> Ms2ger, obvious commit message is obvious
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1358. # [19:14] <dholbert> (thanks :))
1359. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> dholbert, did you not know? My other name is Cap'n Obvious
1360. # [19:15] <dholbert> gcp, (ah -- I'd initially thought you were the patch-author, but now I see you were just helping out w/ review process)
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1363. # [19:16] <gcp> I just noticed this was a community contribution that got stuck because of a lack of flags :P
1364. # [19:16] <dholbert> yup indeed, thanks for catching it
1365. # [19:17] * gcp doesn't mind ordering other people around
1366. # [19:17] <dholbert> heh
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1368. # [19:18] <@bz> ordering people should be easy
1369. # [19:18] <@bz> finite sets and all
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1371. # [19:18] <dholbert> http://rimshot.vorb.is/
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1373. # [19:19] <@bz> verily
1374. # [19:19] <Ms2ger> Well played, sir
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1376. # [19:19] <dholbert> hmm inbound is looking unhealthy
1377. # [19:20] <dholbert> perhaps all the talos reds are infra?
1378. # [19:20] <Ms2ger> Infra, I think
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1381. # [19:21] <dholbert> ah yes, "utils.talosError: 'Graph server unreachable"
1382. # [19:21] <dholbert> still, that's a lot of red. /me holds off on pushing this zlib upgrade for now
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1388. # [19:27] <@bz> hrm
1389. # [19:27] <@bz> why's bzexport timing out?
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1393. # [19:28] <@khuey> blassey: the patch to remove those .orig files just got merged to central
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1396. # [19:29] <blassey> cool, thanks
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1400. # [19:31] <philor> dholbert: and not over, I think
1401. # [19:32] <bhearsum> bbondy: do you have a signmar binary for mac handy?
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1403. # [19:32] <philor> bear|buildduty: do you know anything about graphserver having not gotten over missing its db?
1404. # [19:32] <bbondy> bhearsum: nope sorry
1405. # [19:32] <bear|buildduty> not yet
1406. # [19:32] <philor> rhelmer: ^ ?
1407. # [19:32] <bhearsum> bbondy: any quick way to build one?
1408. # [19:32] <bbondy> you can build one but you have to use that patch that hasn't landed yet that changes sign-mar to signmar in teh configure.in
1409. # [19:32] <philor> pretty much a tree closer, since we haven't actually kept track of talos results for two hours now
1410. # [19:33] <bhearsum> grumble, ok
1411. # [19:33] <bhearsum> bbondy: apparently we sign MARs on mac
1412. # [19:33] <bbondy> bhearsum: fastest way is to edit your configure.in and change sign-mar to signmar and then rebuild :)
1413. # [19:33] <bhearsum> yeah
1414. # [19:33] <bhearsum> ok, i'll have to back out mac signing for now, i guess
1415. # [19:33] <dholbert> philor, darn
1416. # [19:33] <bbondy> bhearsum: why back it out?
1417. # [19:34] <bbondy> we may sign them but we don't verify those signatures for anything at the moment
1418. # [19:34] <bhearsum> bbondy: because it's burning the tree with failed signing attempts, because our mac signing servers don't know how to sign MARs
1419. # [19:34] <rhelmer> philor: missing it's db?
1420. # [19:34] <philor> closed inbound and central
1421. # [19:34] <bhearsum> (...because they have no signmar binary)
1422. # [19:34] <bbondy> heh k
1423. # [19:34] <bhearsum> bbondy: anyways, don't worry about it - this is my problem not yours ;)
1424. # [19:35] <bbondy> already fogotten ;)
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1428. # [19:37] <philor> rhelmer: db bustage this morning, graph server's still returning "(2006, 'MySQL server has gone away')"
1429. # [19:37] <bhearsum> bbondy: if i push that patch to try, that should be enough, eh?
1430. # [19:37] <rhelmer> philor: oh news to me, is there a bug?
1431. # [19:37] <bbondy> bhearsum: yup I agree, I can give you a link already pushed if you just want to hit rebuild?
1432. # [19:37] <sheeri> philor rhelmer staging is down for today because it's moving
1433. # [19:38] <sheeri> I know tm-stage01-master01 and tm-stage01-slave01 are down, at least.
1434. # [19:38] <bhearsum> bbondy: actually, i think i'm going to try using autoland for it
1435. # [19:38] <bbondy> nevermind my old push try results are already gone
1436. # [19:38] <bbondy> k
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1440. # [19:39] <bear|buildduty> rhelmer - I'm looking for the info to put into a bug
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1442. # [19:40] <rhelmer> bear|buildduty: lmk if i can help ... graphserver info/db/etc is on https://mana.mozilla.org/wiki/display/websites/graphs.mozilla.org
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1444. # [19:42] <Wes> I am about to hire the lead developer of a small FOSS project as an employee for a few months to work on his project. Does anybody here have any advice to share with me, from either end of that stick?
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1452. # [19:49] <froydnj> I wish the tbpl burning squares display didn't overlap other useful information
1453. # [19:49] <dholbert> wesj, you've got some orange that looks non-random & non-infra
1454. # [19:49] <wesj> dholbert: thanks
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1461. # [19:51] <wesj> oops. something snuck into that patch. backing out
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1463. # [19:52] <wesj> or i would if inbound wasn't closed
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1466. # [19:53] <rhelmer> )/wingosh
1467. # [19:53] <rhelmer> er
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1469. # [19:53] <timA> `wingosh` sounds like an error-reporting library for windows
1470. # [19:54] <gavin> why is beta closed
1471. # [19:54] <Mark_Capella> winDOHs
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1475. # [19:56] <philor> gavin: I'd bet on "graph server is busted"
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1478. # [19:56] <bear|buildduty> philor - I filed bug 743728
1479. # [19:57] <philor> thx, I just closed aurora
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1481. # [19:57] <nemo> geez
1482. # [19:57] <bear|buildduty> do you need me to close any others?
1483. # [19:57] <philor> nice, somebody busted inbound
1484. # [19:57] <nemo> why are people treating bugzilla like chat
1485. # [19:58] <nemo> bug #698297
1486. # [19:58] * bear|buildduty changes topic to 'Trees CLOSED || Next uplift: 24th April || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
1487. # [19:58] <wesj> philor: me! open it and i can fix things
1488. # [19:58] <philor> bear|buildduty: don't think so, we've got inbound/central/aurora/beta/esr-10, don't think anything else has the hook
1489. # [19:58] <dholbert> wesj, or you can just add CLOSED TREE to your commit message (assuming philor doesn't mind)
1490. # [19:58] <bear|buildduty> philor - k, thanks
1491. # [19:59] <bear|buildduty> what time did you start closing them? so I can log it
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1493. # [19:59] <philor> bear|buildduty: 10:27
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1499. # [20:00] <jlebar|lunch> Oh, I guess I won't be pushing...
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1501. # [20:01] <rhelmer> philor: ok graphserver should be back now
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1503. # [20:02] <Ms2ger> mike5w3c, can non-subscribers post to public-webapps?
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1506. # [20:03] <mjessome> gerv: is there maintenance going on with bzapi, or otherwise some reason that all queries are timing out at the moment?
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1513. # [20:04] <sheppy> mjessome: could be because there's database maintenance going on (which I know is the case, I just don't know if it's a server that would affect bzapi).
1514. # [20:05] <gerv> BzAPI doesn't use databases (except for Bugzilla's, indirectly).
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1516. # [20:05] <gerv> The server seems unreachable.
1517. # [20:05] <gerv> Pop into #it and ask there :-)
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1519. # [20:05] <mjessome> thanks gerv, sheppy
1520. # [20:05] * @bz cries about bzexport not workee
1521. # [20:06] * jdm cries about bugsahoy not workee
1522. # [20:06] * Ms2ger cries for the web
1523. # [20:06] * sheppy cries for Argentina.
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1526. # [20:07] <jdm> <Argentina> sheppy: what have I told you about doing that?
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1528. # [20:07] * sheppy got it backward.
1529. # [20:07] <sheppy> but whatever.
1530. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> For the Malvinas?
1531. # [20:08] * Mook_as cries for Soviet Russia?
1532. # [20:08] <@bz> Falklands
1533. # [20:08] <@bz> also, orange
1534. # [20:08] <@bz> (for the color to paint them)
1535. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> Oh
1536. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> I thought for wesj's push
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1543. # [20:16] <jprmc> ehsan: can you do an inbound land?
1544. # [20:16] <jprmc> inbound merge i mean
1545. # [20:16] <jlebar> jprmc, Trees are closed...
1546. # [20:16] <@ehsan> jprmc: sure
1547. # [20:16] <jprmc> ugh
1548. # [20:16] <jprmc> again
1549. # [20:16] <@ehsan> once we reopen
1550. # [20:16] <jprmc> it was open briefly
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1552. # [20:17] <mbrubeck> jprmc: I merged from inbound to m-c while the trees were open at 10AM PDT
1553. # [20:18] <jprmc> mbrubeck: ah, ok
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1558. # [20:20] <jprmc> mbrubeck: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740303 is still open, but should be covered by that merge, correct?
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1563. # [20:22] <mbrubeck> jprmc: No, that is not merged -- we don't merge the very latest code from inbound; we only merge a changeset where all builds and tests (including PGO ones) are finished and there's no known test bustage.
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1567. # [20:22] <jprmc> mbrubeck: gotcha
1568. # [20:22] <mbrubeck> jprmc: That means that any patch landing on inbound will get merged to central around 5-6 hours later *at the earliest*
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1570. # [20:23] <mbrubeck> If you want same-day turnaround, you need to land patches on m-c directly.
1571. # [20:23] <jprmc> yah
1572. # [20:23] <jprmc> sad face by me :-)
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1575. # [20:23] <ted2> it's better this way
1576. # [20:23] <ted2> honestly
1577. # [20:23] * zzzzz yeah, then if you break m-c you will get yelled at for not using m-i :P
1578. # [20:24] <ted2> the slight advantage of getting patches in sooner is offset by the ability to not have m-c be completely broken
1579. # [20:24] <mbrubeck> Easy, just don't break it. :)
1580. # [20:25] <jfkthame> although we all want our particular patches to go out as soon as possible, it's very rare that getting into nightly one day earlier *really* matters
1581. # [20:25] <jlebar> On the other hand, if you push to m-i, you save time because you don't have to push to try...
1582. # [20:25] * jlebar ducks
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1584. # [20:25] <jfkthame> jlebar had better run, not just duck!
1585. # [20:25] <jprmc> ted2: i understand the rationale - sad face is more about 5-6 hours to build and run tests
1586. # [20:25] <jprmc> i am not advocating for direct m-c landing
1587. # [20:26] <ted2> gotcha
1588. # [20:26] <joe> don't forget you also need to build PGO
1589. # [20:26] <ted2> yeah
1590. # [20:26] <ted2> PGO is sadfaces
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1593. # [20:27] <philor> wesj: inbound's open
1594. # [20:27] <wesj> philor: thanks pushed
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1604. # [20:35] <bear|buildduty> trees are open
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1610. # [20:41] <zzzzz> hmm http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-cannibalizes-the-heart-of-netscape-in-billion-dollar-patent-deal - how long before the suits hit
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1628. # [20:48] <romaxa> bsmedberg: ping
1629. # [20:48] <@bsmedberg> romaxa: pong
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1633. # [20:50] <@bz> hrm
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1635. # [20:51] <@bz> is mxr down too?
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1640. # [20:52] <mcsmurf> looks up to me
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1647. # [20:55] <Waldo> inbound is pretty pretty
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1652. # [20:58] <evilpie_> i get strange black artifacts on twitter and in pdf.js in the latest nightly on win7, known bug?
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1655. # [20:59] <evilpie_> okay actually i get these black artifacts mostly everywhere now
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1665. # [21:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/17e4143dd6f0 - Steven Michaud - Bug 737509 - [10.5] Crash in _cairo_quartz_surface_mask @ _cairo_user_data_array_fini. r=jmuizelaar
1666. # [21:07] <@bsmedberg> anyone recognize: REFTEST TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | | EXCEPTION: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8007000e (NS_ERROR_OUT_OF_MEMORY) [nsIIOService.newURI]" nsresult: "0x8007000e (NS_ERROR_OUT_OF_MEMORY)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://reftest/content/reftest.js :: FileToURI :: line 945" data: no] ?
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1668. # [21:08] <romaxa> #/j #mobile
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1696. # [21:26] <jrmuizel> ehsan: http://www.serpentine.com/blog/2012/04/09/reannouncing-statprof-a-statistical-profiler-for-python/
1697. # [21:27] <@ehsan> cool
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1705. # [21:32] <bhearsum> bbondy: signmar should show up in obj/modules/libmar somewhere, shouldn't it?
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1710. # [21:34] <bbondy> bhearsum: I think so I usually use it from objdir/dist/bin directly
1711. # [21:34] <bhearsum> looks like it still didn't build :(. unless it's only built for the x86_64 target
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1735. # [21:36] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: aww crap, apparantly I manated to break PAC files or something relating to DNS resolution with that nsPrintfCString bug...
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1742. # [21:37] <jlebar> bsmedberg, The first push with the strlen issue, or the second push?
1743. # [21:37] <@bsmedberg> the second one
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1745. # [21:37] <@bsmedberg> at least, I'm pretty sure it's the second one
1746. # [21:38] * @bsmedberg reads it to mak esure
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1748. # [21:38] <@bsmedberg> yeah, it's the right patch
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1750. # [21:38] <jlebar> :-/
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1766. # [21:43] <@khuey> bsmedberg: can I remove http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/nsWeakReference.cpp#111?
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1768. # [21:43] <@bsmedberg> khuey: hrm... why? normally I think that's a useful assertion unless you're asking for a weakref to an arbitrary/unknown object
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1771. # [21:45] <@khuey> bsmedberg: because I'm asking for a weakref to an arbitrary/unknown object
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1773. # [21:45] <@bsmedberg> this doesn't sound like a normal usecase...
1774. # [21:45] <jdm> QI!
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1776. # [21:45] <sheeri> nice. The lunch is all pasta and sandwiches. If I'm going to peel something off bread, I'll go get a burger.
1777. # [21:45] * @bsmedberg must have broken AppendInt
1778. # [21:46] <@khuey> bsmedberg: so should I just get the weakref manually?
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1781. # [21:46] <@bsmedberg> khuey: I... think so, although I'm wondering why you need to be doing this at all
1782. # [21:46] <@ehsan> jprmc: do you still need me to merge inbound?
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1785. # [21:47] <@khuey> bsmedberg: for Components.utils.getWeakReference
1786. # [21:47] <@khuey> you can pass in anything there
1787. # [21:47] <romaxa> bsmith: I wanted to ask if it is ok to have ipc embedding process types as proposed in bug 713681? or should I do it in a bit different way?
1788. # [21:47] <jprmc> ehsan: not right now
1789. # [21:47] <@bsmedberg> khuey: well ok, but the callers should in general know that the object supports a weak ref
1790. # [21:47] <@bsmedberg> so I'd still think it's a valid assertion
1791. # [21:48] <@khuey> bsmedberg: well the behavior there is that you get a weak ref to the XPCOM object if it supports it, otherwise you get a weakref to the JS Object
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1793. # [21:48] <@bsmedberg> even if it is an XPCOM object?
1794. # [21:48] <Waldo> dolske: johnath is looking for you in the office
1795. # [21:48] <@khuey> bsmedberg: yes
1796. # [21:49] <@bsmedberg> is that a good behavior? It seems surprising to me, although I'm not sure what people use that API for
1797. # [21:49] <bsmith> romaxa: were you intending your question for me or for bsmedberg?
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1800. # [21:49] <@khuey> bsmedberg: well, originally it just got a weak ref to the jsobject
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1802. # [21:49] <@khuey> bsmedberg: the problem is that for XPCOM objects that aren't wrapper cached the JSObject can die while the native object remains alive
1803. # [21:50] <@bsmedberg> khuey: ok well, yeah I think a manual QI might be appropriate in this case
1804. # [21:50] <@khuey> ok
1805. # [21:50] <@khuey> thanks
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1808. # [21:50] <@bsmedberg> how do I print a nsSubstring in GCC?
1809. # [21:50] * @bsmedberg is spoiled by MSVC
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1812. # [21:51] <romaxa> bsmith: oh, sorry
1813. # [21:51] <romaxa> bsmedberg: I wanted to ask if it is ok to have ipc embedding process types as proposed in bug 713681? or should I do it in a bit different way?
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1817. # [21:52] <@bsmedberg> I think my last comment is still valid: I think we need more generic functions (in general) for "should I being doing X in this process or not"
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1822. # [21:53] <@bsmedberg> rather than sprinkling (XRE_GetProcessType() == GeckoProcessType_Content || XRE_GetIsProcessEmbed() around in more places
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1829. # [21:55] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: ohoh! PR_vxsprintf calls PRStuffFunc including the final null terminator
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1834. # [21:56] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Oh man... So are we going to truncate it off at the end of AppendPrintf?
1835. # [21:57] <@bsmedberg> or check for it in appendfunc...
1836. # [21:57] * @bsmedberg ponders
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1839. # [21:57] <stu> yellow.. Looking for some help; thinking about creating a custom version of firefox that would understand some specific window messages that allow me to bypass windows input. Might someone be willing to answer a few questions?
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1841. # [21:58] <stu> *specific, custom windows messages
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1847. # [21:59] <stu> Such as what are the UI controls in firefox, actually, and what would it take to make firefox think it has focus even if it doesn't..
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1855. # [22:00] <@bsmedberg> stu: you are asking a rather complicated question. I can point you at the code which handles windows messages
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1857. # [22:00] <@bsmedberg> stu: but you need to understand how XUL works and how we convert windows messages into DOM messages
1858. # [22:01] <@bsmedberg> because all of our UI is written in a DOM-based language (like HTML)
1859. # [22:01] <@smaug> akeybl_: it is a public holiday here today
1860. # [22:02] <@ehsan> fantasai: ping
1861. # [22:02] <@smaug> I'll try to look at the patch tomorrow
1862. # [22:02] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: how about http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1561013 ?
1863. # [22:02] <akeybl_> smaug: thanks, much appreciated
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1868. # [22:04] <jlebar> bsmedberg, r=me
1869. # [22:04] <mdas> erm, I'm getting try server emails for a commit that I can't actually find (commit number feecdd55cc6e)
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1872. # [22:04] <stu> thanks bsmedberg; I'd like to take a look. Anyways, do you think what I'm trying to do sounds feasible?
1873. # [22:04] <mdas> I didn't actually get a try submission email, and I haven't successfully sent anything to try in months. about a week ago, I accidentally submitted to try but I killed the request before it was successfuly. I'm not sure why I'm getting this.
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1875. # [22:05] <mdas> who should I ping regarding try server?
1876. # [22:05] <jhammel> mdas: its probably just Bug 1002300 : make it possible for Try to violate causality
1877. # [22:05] <@bsmedberg> stu: I don't know what you're trying to do yet ;-)
1878. # [22:05] <ted2> mdas: you want to ask #build i think
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1880. # [22:05] <ted2> or bear|buildduty
1881. # [22:05] <mdas> jhammel: lo
1882. # [22:05] <mdas> ted2: will do, thanks
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1885. # [22:06] <stu> ..ok; I would like to send custom mouse and keyboard input to the windows so that I can bypass windows WM_MOUSE* and WM_KEY* messages.
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1887. # [22:06] <stu> And I would also like to have firefox think it has focus and keeps reacting to these messages even if it doesn't.
1888. # [22:06] <@bsmedberg> stu: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/windows/nsWindow.cpp#4324 is the main windowproc. We have a "nsWindow" class which represents each window, so the actual work is done at line 4469
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1890. # [22:07] <stu> that was quick.. I'll have a look ->
1891. # [22:07] <@bsmedberg> stu: why couldn't you just keep sending WM_MOUSE and WM_KEY messages to the Firefox windows?
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1894. # [22:07] <stu> a) because WM_MOUSE events can't be sent to windows directly (unless you use SendInput) and I would like there to be multiple cursors..
1895. # [22:08] <stu> (the second part was b)
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1897. # [22:09] <@bsmedberg> they can't? That surprises me, but ok
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1900. # [22:09] <@bsmedberg> if you just want to synthesize events which are just like WM_MOUSE* but have different codes, that shouldn't be too hard
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1903. # [22:09] <@bsmedberg> you just hook into the WM_MOUSE* case statements and add your alternate codes there
1904. # [22:10] <@bsmedberg> note that if you have windowed plugins they may not understand or obey the same way
1905. # [22:10] <@bsmedberg> so that plugins may be hard
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1910. # [22:11] <stu> I was thinking plugins might be difficult..
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1915. # [22:12] <gavin> philor: can aurora be repoened?
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1917. # [22:12] <gavin> I noticed that beta has been...
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1925. # [22:15] <philor> gavin: refresh harder
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1927. # [22:16] <philor> oh, apparently I'm the one who needs to refresh harder
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1933. # [22:17] <philor> gavin: sorry, there you go
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1935. # [22:17] * philor looks forward to seeing how people do at starring their orange on aurora and beta without tbplbot to help them
1936. # [22:17] <gavin> it's broken?
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1938. # [22:18] <jhammel> philor: i'm sure they'll just wait for philor to do it
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1947. # [22:25] <mbrubeck> philor: Well, looks like I'm next in line to push to Aurora/Beta (just got approval on bug 735749)...
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1951. # [22:26] <philor> mbrubeck: have fun!
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1957. # [22:29] <bhearsum> bbondy: i finally got signmar built, but it's missing libnss3.dylib after i move it to the signing machine
1958. # [22:30] <bbondy> bhearsum: ya you need the nss bins as well
1959. # [22:30] <bhearsum> bbondy: can i statically link it instead?
1960. # [22:31] <bhearsum> i tried a bunch of things in the build system, but i can't seem to get -static to get into the signmar linking
1961. # [22:31] <bbondy> I'm not really sure how nss builds work
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1963. # [22:32] <bbondy> I think it is static on windows
1964. # [22:32] <bbondy> I know that doesn't help you :)
1965. # [22:32] <bhearsum> how would i get '-static' into the signmar link command? that should do it...
1966. # [22:32] <bhearsum> maybe i can do that by hand
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1968. # [22:32] <bhearsum> h8 our build system sometimes
1969. # [22:33] <bbondy> use modules/libmar/tool/Makefile.in
1970. # [22:33] <bhearsum> yeah, i tried a bunc hof stuff in there, LDFLAGS, CFLAGS, the HOST_ variants
1971. # [22:33] <bbondy> ifeq ($(OS_ARCH),WINNT)
1972. # [22:33] <bbondy> USE_STATIC_LIBS = 1
1973. # [22:33] <bbondy> endif
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1976. # [22:33] <bbondy> maybe just take out the ifeq part will do it
1977. # [22:33] <bhearsum> yeah, i removde the if WINNT part
1978. # [22:33] <bbondy> still doesn't work?
1979. # [22:33] <bhearsum> nope
1980. # [22:34] <bbondy> bsmith would probably know if he's around
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1982. # [22:35] <bsmith> bhearsum: NSS doesn't support static linking, and it internally dynamically loads shared libraries
1983. # [22:35] <bsmith> there is no getting aroudn the need for the shared libraries anytime soon
1984. # [22:35] <bhearsum> bsmith: signmar is a program that links to libnss though, i can't statically link nss into it?
1985. # [22:35] <bhearsum> it works on linux somehow, unless our signmar binary is using system nss....
1986. # [22:36] <bsmith> bhearsum: you might be able to statically link libnss
1987. # [22:36] <bsmith> but, AFAICT, you cannot statically link libfreebl or libsoftokn
1988. # [22:36] <bhearsum> i don't think i need those
1989. # [22:36] <bsmith> because they are dl-opened by libnss
1990. # [22:36] <bsmith> yes, you do
1991. # [22:36] <bhearsum> oh
1992. # [22:36] <bsmith> since that is where the crypto is implemented
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1995. # [22:36] * bhearsum checks out the linux signmar binary
1996. # [22:37] <bsmith> The RSA algorithm is implemented in freebl, of which libsoftoken is a wrapper, of which libnss is a wrapper
1997. # [22:37] <bhearsum> awesome, it does use system nss
1998. # [22:37] <bhearsum> so, i have to copy around libnss, libfreebl, libsoftokn, anything else?
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2001. # [22:38] <@khuey> nspr?
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2003. # [22:38] <bsmith> NSPR, including its libc wrapper and its ds wrapper
2004. # [22:38] <bsmith> and maybe libsmime
2005. # [22:38] <bhearsum> ok, i'll copy those over and see what else fails ;)
2006. # [22:38] <bhearsum> thanks bsmith!
2007. # [22:38] <bsmith> np
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2009. # [22:40] <bhearsum> interestingly, i copied libnspr, libnss, libnssutil, libplc, and libplds and the basic --help usage worked. i'm guessing that i'll probably get failures when it actually tries to do something with crypto, though?
2010. # [22:40] <bhearsum> (because of the dlopen() on the crypto libs)
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2012. # [22:41] <fabrice> I have a link issue with a new event I'm implementing : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1561030 - probably something wrong with the build magic ?
2013. # [22:42] <bsmith> bhearsum: I don't remember if the libraries get loaded in NSS_Init or later than that
2014. # [22:42] <bhearsum> alright
2015. # [22:42] <bhearsum> i'll figure it out
2016. # [22:42] <bsmith> I think signmar might be skipping NSS_init for --help
2017. # [22:42] <bsmith> but, trust me, there is no cryptography possible without libsoftokn and freebl
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2022. # [22:44] <bhearsum> bbondy: did signmar's usage change at any point? the command we use for signing mars on linux (signmar -d /path/to/certs -n "key name" -s foo.mar) isn't work
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2025. # [22:44] <bbondy> that looks right, let me verify
2026. # [22:44] <@ehsan> NeilAway: I can handle the current volume just fine, but will definitely have you in mind if I get overloaded :)
2027. # [22:45] <NeilAway> ehsan: "volume"
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2029. # [22:45] <bbondy> bhearsum: you're missing 1 more parameter for the output signed mar
2030. # [22:45] <bhearsum> aaaah
2031. # [22:45] <bbondy> it creates a new mar
2032. # [22:45] <mbrubeck> uh oh, is bug 743127 perma-orange on m-c?
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2036. # [22:47] <taras> why is bugzilla/wiki so slow today?
2037. # [22:48] <bhearsum> bbondy: hmmm, "./signmar -d /Users/cltsign/instances/dep-key-signing-server-2/secrets/mar -n dep1 -s foo.mar bar.mar" still isn't working
2038. # [22:48] <jhammel> ...today? ;)
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2041. # [22:49] <KWierso> taras: I know IT's doing a bunch of shuffling things around to different datacenters this week, not sure if bz is affected
2042. # [22:49] <jhammel> i'm guessing he probably is :P
2043. # [22:49] <jhammel> oh, you meant bugzilla
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2045. # [22:50] <bbondy> bhearsum: any error message? 255 return code?
2046. # [22:50] <JesperHansen> weird. Links aren't turning purple consistently in nightly. Especially if you're on reddit and ctrl+click a lot of links. If you click again, then it turns purple tho. Started around the 5th
2047. # [22:50] <bhearsum> bbondy: throws usage, 255
2048. # [22:50] <KWierso> jhammel: this is why short nicknames are bad :)
2049. # [22:50] <philor> mbrubeck: pretty hard to tell perma from its normal rate on linux64 debug
2050. # [22:50] <bhearsum> it's also throwing me 'mar' usage rather than signmar usage
2051. # [22:50] <bhearsum> but i think that's normal
2052. # [22:50] <bbondy> bhearsum: so prints command line usage info
2053. # [22:51] <bhearsum> hm
2054. # [22:51] <bhearsum> this signmar looks like a mar binary
2055. # [22:51] <bhearsum> i think i buggered something else up in the build, ffs
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2057. # [22:51] <bhearsum> bbondy: can you please build me a working signmar, or push something to try that will?
2058. # [22:52] <bbondy> bhearsum: is the binary called signmar you are using or mar?
2059. # [22:52] <bbondy> did you push the configure.in I mentioned in the bug?
2060. # [22:52] <bhearsum> it's called 'signmar'
2061. # [22:52] <bhearsum> no, but i applied it locally and built
2062. # [22:53] <@khuey|away> woo
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2064. # [22:53] * @khuey has internets at home now
2065. # [22:53] <bhearsum> bbondy: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1561065
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2067. # [22:54] <bbondy> bhearsum: you have to add an option to your mozconfig too, that's what must be wrong
2068. # [22:54] <bbondy> --enable-signmar
2069. # [22:54] <bbondy> I think?
2070. # [22:54] <bhearsum> it's already there
2071. # [22:54] <bbondy> k
2072. # [22:54] <bhearsum> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1561066
2073. # [22:54] <bbondy> hrm ok please comment in the bug and I'll try on osx when I boot there
2074. # [22:54] <bhearsum> alright, thanks!
2075. # [22:55] <mbrubeck> philor: okay, good to know. I haven't been watching the tree much since that one started.
2076. # [22:55] <bbondy> bhearsum: mention your .mozconfig pastebin there too
2077. # [22:55] <bbondy> thx
2078. # [22:55] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
2079. # [22:55] <bhearsum> k
2080. # [22:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/96a1ab35f765 - Kyle Huey - Refix bug 741248. r=me
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2086. # [22:59] <bbondy> bhearsum: I'll try to look at it later tonight btw
2087. # [22:59] <bhearsum> <3
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2090. # [23:02] <sheeri> clee can I come get the b2g device for this week's conference?
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2095. # [23:02] <clee> sheeri: what day are you thinking of stopping by?
2096. # [23:02] <sheeri> clee today? :D
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2100. # [23:02] <clee> sheeri: i will have to find the devices. :)
2101. # [23:03] <clee> and update them to a build that is *stable*
2102. # [23:03] <sheeri> OK, where are you, I can hover and be generally unhelpful.
2103. # [23:03] <sheeri> or be generally helpful :D
2104. # [23:03] <taras> who would know where to begin in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=734979 ?
2105. # [23:03] <taras> youtube has been unusable for me on nightlies lately
2106. # [23:03] <taras> Bas: ^
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2108. # [23:05] <gavin> khuey: I just pulled https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/96a1ab35f765 and built and got the failure
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2111. # [23:06] <@khuey> gavin: :-(
2112. # [23:06] <sheeri> clee would it be helpful to have a 2nd pair of hands, or more distracting?
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2115. # [23:07] <clee> sheeri: unfortunately, most of the engr team is out of the office traveling
2116. # [23:07] <clee> i need to stop by their desk to find some extra units.
2117. # [23:07] <sheeri> clee right but I'm here so that's why I'm asking :D
2118. # [23:07] <sheeri> clee ah.
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2122. # [23:08] <@khuey> gavin: was this with a clean objdir? or a dirty one?
2123. # [23:08] <@dolske> taras: as it happens I was just talking about that with cpearce, he was going to take a look with xperf
2124. # [23:08] <gavin> dirrty
2125. # [23:08] <@khuey> gavin: and if it was dirty, did you pull today?
2126. # [23:08] <@khuey> before this?
2127. # [23:09] <gavin> no
2128. # [23:09] <taras> dolske: i didn't see anything with xperf
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2130. # [23:09] * @dolske chuckles at gavin dirrrrrty profile.
2131. # [23:09] <taras> i think it's something locking of gfx related
2132. # [23:09] <taras> s/of/or/
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2134. # [23:09] <@dolske> taras: I figured it was disk related, since we cache as we download.
2135. # [23:10] <@dolske> taras: it was a problem in the past, got better/fixed for a while, and then got worse again.
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2137. # [23:10] <taras> dolske: can you comment in the bug on configuration you see this under?
2138. # [23:10] <@dolske> taras: oh, this is in plugins? Flash?
2139. # [23:10] * jhford-work-away is now known as jhford-work
2140. # [23:10] <taras> yeah
2141. # [23:11] <clee> sheeri: let me find out and i'll ping you
2142. # [23:11] <clee> :)
2143. # [23:11] <@dolske> taras: I was seeing it soo for HTML5. so... blargh.
2144. # [23:11] <sheeri> clee OK
2145. # [23:11] <taras> dolske: comment in bug :)
2146. # [23:11] <taras> just in case
2147. # [23:11] <taras> or mention another bug
2148. # [23:11] <taras> if it's cache-related, then i'm happy
2149. # [23:11] <taras> cos we are fixing our cache
2150. # [23:11] <@dolske> I would guess Flash perf things are probably a bsmedberg / cjones thing? not sure who's on that these days.
2151. # [23:11] <@dolske> but yeah, commenting and CCing.
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2157. # [23:16] <taras> thanks dolske
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2161. # [23:18] <padenot> khuey, gavin : I still can't build with your fix, on a fresh tree : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1561093
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2168. # [23:21] <@khuey> padenot: if you back out http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a82e8c2edb29 can you build?
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2173. # [23:24] <padenot> khuey: trying now, but I compile in a VM, I'll let you know
2174. # [23:26] <@khuey> padenot: ok
2175. # [23:26] <@khuey> padenot: I fully expect the answer to be 'yes' ;-)
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2177. # [23:27] <padenot> khuey: so do I :-)
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2183. # [23:34] <@khuey> mbrubeck: omg I won?
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2185. # [23:34] <gavin> hrm, bugzilla API appears to be down?
2186. # [23:34] <@khuey> HEY EVERYBODY I WON TINDERBOX
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2188. # [23:35] <mcsmurf> :D
2189. # [23:35] <gavin> is that what philor|away was referring to?
2190. # [23:35] <gavin> did no one file a bug?
2191. # [23:35] <mbrubeck> congrats to khuey on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701655#c23
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2194. # [23:36] <@khuey> mbrubeck: I think I should retire on this high note
2195. # [23:36] <mbrubeck> (comment 0 did include "blue"... but I think that's asking for far too much these days.)
2196. # [23:36] <zzzzz> pfft RETIRE - you just started :P
2197. # [23:36] <gavin> I filed bug 743827
2198. # [23:36] <jhammel> wait, does try count? i wish i had known
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2223. # [23:49] <@dbaron> We should really have tests of our test harness...
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2228. # [23:50] <jhammel> dbaron++
2229. # [23:50] <jwir3> whoa, meta.
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2231. # [23:50] <jwir3> ;)
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2234. # [23:51] <jhammel> it sounds meta until you find bugs with it ;)
2235. # [23:51] <@dbaron> it's hard to test the "this should cause a test failure" things
2236. # [23:51] <jwir3> indeed. I didn't say it wasn't a good idea. ;)
2237. # [23:51] <@dbaron> because they cause test failures
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2240. # [23:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/52ee2124247d - Matt Brubeck - Back out 17e4143dd6f0 (bug 737509) on suspicion of causing a crash in browser_tabview_bug597248.js
2241. # [23:52] <philor> could someone for the love all all that's holy merge fx-team to m-c to m-i, and then never again land a fix for the top two oranges on fx-team on a Thursday before Easter?
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2249. # [23:54] <mbrubeck> They're just taunting you, philor.
2250. # [23:54] <philor> exactly
2251. # [23:55] * @khuey does that
2252. # [23:55] <@dbaron> I'm glad khuey is, because I couldn't even parse the sentence.
2253. # [23:56] <biesi> GPHemsley, now I'm trying to find the checkin where the 11 comes from. urg.
2254. # [23:56] <KWierso> merge ALL the trees!
2255. # [23:56] <sheppy> Banyan-style?
2256. # [23:56] <jhammel> sheppy++
2257. # [23:56] <@dbaron> oh, hey, khuey has internet access at home now
2258. # [23:57] * Joins: cpearce (chatzilla@538BABFE.A073F3E.97BBD552.IP)
2259. # [23:57] <biesi> GPHemsley, I'm looking at bonsai for HttpConnectionMagic_20010415_BRANCH now...
2260. # [23:57] <@khuey> dbaron: I do!
2261. # [23:57] <@khuey> dbaron: glad I paid for the tech to come out, apparently somebody thought it would be great to rewire the phone system in this apartment to be useless
2262. # [23:57] <jhammel> does that mean we no longer have to watch khuey watching porn in the office? :P
2263. # [23:57] <jwir3> haha
2264. # [23:57] <@khuey> oh shit you saw that?
2265. # [23:58] <@khuey> :-P
2266. # [23:58] * Joins: jrmuizel (jrmuizel@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
2267. # [23:58] * philor is now known as philor|away
2268. # [23:58] <@khuey> KWierso: http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19405960697/its-a-thing-we-do-and-it-makes-us-feel
2269. # [23:59] <KWierso> khuey++
2270. # [23:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5d654a428c97 - Mihai Sucan - Bug 728926 - Intermittent failure in browser_dbg_script-switching.js | The correct script was loaded initially. | The first script is displayed. r=rcampbell
2271. # [23:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7e22d83d5c6c - Tim Taubert - Bug 742782 - [New Tab Page] Error: aCallback is not defined; r=dietrich
2272. # [23:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/434f50e70815 - Kyle Huey - Merge fx-team to m-c to please philor.
2273. # [23:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9f82d9ab3f1f - Mihai Sucan - Bug 728830 - Intermittent browser_dbg_update-editor-mode.js | Found the expected editor mode. - Got js, expected html | The correct script was loaded initially. | The first script is
2274. # Session Close: Tue Apr 10 00:00:00 2012

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