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# Session Start: Wed Apr 11 00:00:01 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <Waldo> Bas: I'd say just replace it with a call to the current impl function; you don't need to go all the way to understanding it to adjust it sufficient to the current task, and I don't think it's that important that the issue must be forced
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# [00:02] <Bas> Waldo: The assert seems silly anyway, as the -only- caller does ((n) <= 1 ? 0 : 1 + , right?
# [00:03] <Bas> I guess there could be more callers in theory
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# [00:05] <Waldo> Bas: yeah, potential future callers
# [00:05] <@ehsan> fantasai: ok, I'm currently building, will update the crashtest when the build is finished
# [00:05] <Waldo> JS has a policy of asserting everything, regardless whether it's obviously correct for the uses at the instant
# [00:05] <Bas> Waldo: But just to make sure I understand, you're saying kill the assert for now?
# [00:05] <Bas> Not a bad policy per se.
# [00:05] <fantasai> ehsan: Did that make sense, about the crashtest?
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# [00:06] <@ehsan> fantasai: yep
# [00:07] <Waldo> Bas: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1562955
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# [00:07] <Bas> Waldo: Ok, that's what I had now, excellent.
# [00:07] * Waldo is really not sure how this communication is proceeding so confusedly :-)
# [00:07] <Waldo> but thankfully pastebins speak louder than words
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# [00:08] <Bas> Waldo: Probably the vagueness of the terms inlining and impls when related to Macro's vs functions
# [00:08] <Waldo> could be!
# [00:08] <fantasai> ehsan: ok, r=fantasai for when the crashtest actually runs your code and doesn't crash ;)
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# [00:09] <Waldo> fantasai: tall order there
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# [00:10] <hvq> Hi, if I want to add an event to a list item, use addevent "click", what if I want to add the event only on double click?
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# [00:11] <hvq> is there alist of all supported events in firefox?
# [00:11] <@ehsan> fantasai: do you also want me to double the dynamic heights?
# [00:11] * @ehsan thinks yes
# [00:12] <Mossop> hvq: For XUL or HTML?
# [00:12] <hvq> Mossop: for XUL
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# [00:12] <Mossop> hvq: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL/Events
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# [00:12] <Mossop> See dblclick
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# [00:13] <hvq> Mossop: thanx a lot
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# [00:14] <@ehsan> fantasai: (no crashes on the testcase)
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# [00:15] <WeirdAl> Is there any reason why building nsDOMClassInfo should take more than 5 minutes on VC2010?
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# [00:16] <philor> hmm, an OOM shutdown crash?
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# [00:18] <@ehsan> fantasai: submitted a new patch with the updated test
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# [00:21] <philor> huh, what bz_away pushed to aurora in https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/40e45c33965c was not actually all of that patch, that's sort of worrisome
# [00:21] <gavin> o_O
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# [00:22] <WeirdAl> aggh, that was more like 10-15 mins
# [00:22] <philor> maybe just a busted merge, since the last hunk wouldn't apply to beta
# [00:23] <philor> but a busted merge leaving permaorange behind
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# [00:26] * @khuey grubmles
# [00:26] <@khuey> why can't gmail find this bug from two years ago that I'm looking for
# [00:27] <jhammel> google hates you?
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# [00:27] <@khuey> possible
# [00:27] <jhammel> its probably nothing personal
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# [00:28] <@khuey> google is too big to hate me personally
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# [00:29] <hub> khuey: because it can't display relevant ads for it, so it does not want to show it?
# [00:29] <hub> ;-)
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# [00:34] <Bas> waldo: Updated bug 719776, it compiles on Windows, hopefully it matches your idea this time :)
# [00:35] <Waldo> lookifying
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# [00:35] <jhford> hey everyone running mac nightlies on mozilla-central
# [00:35] <jhford> pleaes check for updates now
# [00:36] <jhford> and let me know if your update doesn't wokr
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# [00:49] <taras> jet: do you know about mozRequestAnimationFrame?
# [00:49] <taras> or can you point me to someone who isn't roc who knows about it?
# [00:49] <taras> in particular when you do setTimeout(...,0) vs mozRequestAnimationFrame... the event scheduling seems to be different
# [00:50] <taras> is that correct?
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# [00:52] <jet> yes, it's different due to how the callback fires before/after painting. bz will likely know more about the internals
# [00:52] <biesi> taras, the theory is that mozRequestAnimationFrame is linked to screen refresh rate. I have no idea if that's what we implement, though
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# [00:52] <@dolske> yeah, aiui it's hooked up tothe refresh driver?
# [00:52] <taras> jet: in particular from my experience
# [00:52] <taras> it seems to run sooner the first time
# [00:52] <@dolske> and for content is supposed to be throttled in background tabs
# [00:52] <taras> like it bypasses the event queue
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# [00:54] <@dolske> not sure how the event queue and refresh driver interact... dbaron / dholbert might know?
# [00:54] <taras> jet: in particular can i replace the setTimeout with mozRequestAnimationFrame for http://blog.mozilla.com/tglek/2012/04/10/argh-at-our-unresponsive-tab-strip-settimeoutfoo-0-can-be-very-harmful and expect things to be less bad?
# [00:54] <taras> dholbert: ^
# [00:54] <WeirdAl> Hey, folks - I'm trying to launch about:addons in a XULRunner app, and it's complaining that the addons.windowTitle entity is undefined... but it should be picking that up from toolkit's extensions.dtd. Any ideas?
# [00:54] <dholbert> taras, I don't think so
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# [00:55] <Mossop> WeirdAl: Possibly relies on the branding dtds being correct
# [00:55] <@dbaron> dolske, the refresh driver runs off a timer
# [00:55] <@dolske> ah, so you might run sooner than a new setTimeout if the refresh driver's timer is already in the Q?
# [00:56] <taras> dholbert: in particular if there is already a repaint scheduled, seemed that requesting mozrequestanimation did right thing(tm)
# [00:56] <taras> right
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# [00:56] <dholbert> taras, ah, possibly... I'm fuzzy on how soon mozRequestAnimationFrame can get you a callback
# [00:56] <WeirdAl> bah, you're right, Mossop
# [00:56] <@dbaron> taras, doesn't sound like it would help this particular case
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# [00:57] <@dbaron> taras, though I could be missing something
# [00:57] <@dbaron> taras, bz is probably better at modeling that sort of thing in his head than I am
# [00:57] <taras> bz_away: :(
# [00:57] <taras> i guess i can do this experimentally
# [00:57] <taras> schedule both and see what happens
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# [00:58] <dholbert> taras, so the scenario is basically "add a bunch of events to the event queue; [asynchronously request a paint somehow]"
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# [00:58] <dholbert> taras, and the question is whether mozRequestAnimationFrame (or anything) is better at requesting that repaint, as compared to setTimeout(0)
# [00:58] <dholbert> taras, correct?
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# [00:59] <dholbert> s/is better at requesting that repaint/will get us an earlier callback/
# [00:59] <taras> dholber basically the idea is [my code][stuff that will request repaint]
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# [00:59] <taras> dholber basically the idea is [my code][invalidate that will get requested irrelevant of my code]
# [01:00] <taras> so with setTimeout..my handler ends up [my code][invalidate that will get requested irrelevant of my code][setTimeoutHandler]
# [01:00] <Waldo> Bas: why is OutputAssertMessage an always-inlined function? any reason why it shouldn't be defined out-of-line, with the normal sort of symbol?
# [01:00] <taras> dholbert: does that make sense?
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# [01:01] <dholbert> taras, yeah
# [01:02] <dholbert> taras, and you're wondering if you can get your setTimeoutHandler to be called before that [invalidate] chunk
# [01:02] <taras> right
# [01:03] <taras> well
# [01:03] <taras> i want it to be called within the [invalidate] chunk
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# [01:03] <dholbert> ah right
# [01:03] <dholbert> taras, you might be onto something with the "if there's already a refresh queued" idea
# [01:03] <dholbert> (hooking onto that)
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# [01:03] <taras> ok
# [01:03] <taras> i'll do some experiments(easier than reading code at this time of day)
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# [01:04] <dholbert> taras, also -- at one point, we imposed a minimum timeout value on setTimeout, so setTimeout(0) was really setTimeout(10) or something
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# [01:05] <dholbert> taras, if that's still the case, you might be able to find a turbo Internal-Only-Exposed-To-Chrome alternative
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# [01:05] <taras> yeah i mainly just need to jump the event queue
# [01:05] <dholbert> but that probably won't make too much of a difference here
# [01:05] <dholbert> yeah
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# [01:06] <taras> to avoid randoms stuff slowing me down
# [01:06] <dholbert> wait your turn!
# [01:06] <taras> but ok
# [01:07] <jgilbert> taras: we don't throttle the postMessage 'setTimeout zero hole', last I heard
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# [01:08] <taras> jgilbert: i'm not sure what zero hole refers to
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# [01:09] <jgilbert> taras: setTimeout has a floor of 4-10ms, whereas using postMessage (or something) you can effectively get a setTimeout(0)
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# [01:10] <jgilbert> taras: http://dbaron.org/log/20100309-faster-timeouts
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# [01:13] <cpearce> uh, did someone move the profile dir in nightly builds without telling me? Firefox can't find my profile dirs, but they're totally still there...
# [01:13] <taras> jgilbert: thanks
# [01:13] <taras> cpearce: is the ini file still pointing at them/
# [01:14] <cpearce> taras: where's the ini?
# [01:14] <taras> same dir level as the profiles
# [01:14] <taras> in C:\Users\taras\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox here
# [01:14] <cpearce> ho hum, it is not.
# [01:14] <cpearce> wonder how that happened...
# [01:15] <taras> some .mozilla/firefox on linux i think
# [01:15] <cpearce> taras: thanks!
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# [01:16] <cpearce> maybe it was that windows update I just installed... That would be bad...
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# [01:21] <taras> dholbert: no dice
# [01:22] <dholbert> taras, sad
# [01:22] <taras> it seems to run on a different schedule than setTimeout
# [01:22] <taras> sometimes faster, sometimes slower
# [01:22] <taras> which is weird
# [01:22] <dholbert> taras, sort of makes sense. it's just getting an event stuck in the event queue, ~60 times per second
# [01:22] <taras> why would it run faster?
# [01:23] <taras> itcould be in slower case we aren't actually painting until later :(
# [01:23] <dholbert> it's your "if there's already a refresh scheduled" case
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# [01:23] <taras> i'm saying it might not matter for my case if it runs later then
# [01:23] <taras> since there is no paint
# [01:23] <taras> hmm
# [01:23] <jgilbert> is this re:requestAnimationFrame?
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# [01:23] <taras> yeah
# [01:23] <dholbert> (yeah)
# [01:24] <jgilbert> bug 731974 may be of interest
# [01:25] <taras> postmessage might be overkill for this
# [01:25] <taras> hehe
# [01:25] <taras> i see that all the time
# [01:28] <taras> i thought they were on purpose
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# [01:28] <taras> some gfx wisdom
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# [01:57] <darktrojan> hmmm 1.3 Product Status Updates (voice updates)
# [01:57] <darktrojan> 1.3.1 Firefox Future (9, 10, 11)
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# [01:58] <darktrojan> looks like the meeting notes template is stuck in a time warp
# [01:59] <jhammel> its just a jump to the left
# [01:59] <darktrojan> and a step to the right
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# [02:00] <Callek> :-P
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# [02:04] <Waldo> ah, rocky horror...good stuff. once.
# [02:05] <jhammel> Waldo: pfff, you're probably one of those people who thinks All Your Base has gotten old
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# [02:06] <Waldo> I mean "once" in the sense of "worth being exposed to, so not worth seeing more than once" :-P
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# [02:06] <Waldo> jhammel: ha ha ha
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# [02:07] <jhammel> now *that's* fast!
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# [02:08] <Waldo> er, hm, maybe that should have been "ha ha ha ha" (was I miming the text, or miming the voice?)
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# [02:08] <jhammel> What you say?!?
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# [02:20] <Bas> Waldo: I can make it simply static? I would like to keep it inline so we can use it anywhere without worrying, if you want me to put it in a separate file that's fine though I suppose.
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# [02:22] <Waldo> Bas: if you're using mfbt, I think you're going to have to accept the dependency on the library, and on compiled files
# [02:23] <Waldo> Bas: although, maybe I'd benefit from a little more explanation of what's being solved, I guess
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# [02:24] <Bas> Waldo: Azure can be built stand-alone, my new testing framework does that for example, result, I can recompile in 3 seconds and run testst in seconds as well, as well as allowing people to develop for Azure without needing a mozilla build environment.
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# [02:25] <Waldo> Bas: is this people compiling from a full mozilla checkout, just gfx/azure (or whatever the directory is) and mfbt/, or what?
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# [02:26] <Waldo> perhaps the answer here is to streamline building/linking against mfbt
# [02:26] <Bas> Waldo: Right now it's primarily me, and some people expressing interest (but not being able to, that's what I'm fixing :))
# [02:26] <Waldo> although that perhaps should be followup-land
# [02:26] <Bas> Waldo: Yes, that would certainly be a better long term solution :)
# [02:26] <Bas> If mfbt was something that -could- be simply built stand-alone without mozilla build-cruft, I would have no issue depending on it :)
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# [02:27] <Waldo> Bas: okay; how about we go with what you have for now (but stick a |static| in front of MOZ_ALWAYS_INLINE, because C files do depend on this header), and file a followup to make mfbt's build/link stuff easier to work with? glandium is the build expert for mfbt, I really know next to nothing about it
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# [02:28] <Waldo> build stuff is deep hoodoo voodoo as far as I'm concerned, for anything but the simplest argument tweaking and such
# [02:28] <Bas> Exactly why I want to stay away from it ;)
# [02:28] <Bas> Waldo: Sounds fine with me! BTW, while I'm at it want me to correct the modeline of Assertions.h then? If it is indeed supposed to have c-basic-offset: 4? My editor just respects the modeline.
# [02:29] <Waldo> Bas: yes, please correct it; modeline stuff was inconsistently applied originally, prior to mfbt/STYLE existing, and I have not had time to go and clean up everything to conform to it exactly :-(
# [02:30] <Bas> Waldo: Excellent, other than that all your review comments sound perfectly reasonable, I'll have a new patch up later tonight. Thanks again!
# [02:30] <Waldo> no problem
# [02:30] <Waldo> I'll try to keep an eye out for it
# [02:30] <Bas> Sure thing, thanks!
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# [02:44] <felipe> does indexedDB do anything special to handle permissions for domain.com and www.domain.com together? or are they considered separate?
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# [02:54] <fabrice> felipe: I think so, since they are different origins
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# [03:00] <hatman> How did killer get his name, did he kill someone?
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# [03:04] <Waldo> he's a bot who kicks people who say too much in the channel in too short a time (think copying fifteen-line code snippets), so there's a certain analogy of operation
# [03:04] <Waldo> other than that, I don't think there's much to it
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# [03:04] <mr_sticky> I was wondering the same thing
# [03:05] <hatman> too bad, i was hoping for a good story
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# [03:34] <@bz> philor: sorry for the aurora snafu
# [03:35] <philor> bz: no worries, crashtests are mostly pretty quiet so it wasn't masking anything
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# [03:37] <@bz> sure
# [03:37] <@bz> I meant in terms of extra work for you
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# [03:41] <njn> dammit
# [03:42] <@bz> are we having a ballot to elect a "life"?
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# [03:52] <njn> is it possible to star multiple failiures on TBPL with the same message in a single operation?
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# [03:55] <@bz> yes
# [03:55] <@bz> njn: ^
# [03:56] <@bz> njn: just click one, click the "add a comment link", type the comment, then drag the other ones into the window
# [03:56] <@bz> njn: or, without clicking the add comment button, click other builds and click the "add a comment" link on them
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# [03:56] * @bz hopes that made some sense
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# [03:57] <philor> click one, ctrl+click the rest, or for the least clicking, click the first, hit space, N, space, N, space, N until you get to the last (and don't hit space on it)
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# [03:59] <@bz> ah, nice
# [03:59] <@bz> zero discoverability, but very nice
# [03:59] <@bz> explains how you can start things so fast!
# [03:59] <@bz> though the 'N' thing doesn't seem to work, unless I'm missing something
# [04:00] <@bz> (seems to just do the normal typeahead find for me)
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# [04:15] <joe> bz: if (strcmp(getenv("USER"), "philor") == 0) mozilla::MakeFirefoxAwesome();
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# [04:17] <@ehsan> joe: use std::string
# [04:17] <joe> ehsan: yeah, that'd have been smarter
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# [04:18] <@ehsan> joe: also, I don't think we should put firefox specific names under namespace mozilla
# [04:18] <@ehsan> how about MakeGeckoAwesome?
# [04:18] <joe> gecko is already awesome
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# [04:18] <@ehsan> false
# [04:18] <joe> so that'd be a no-op
# [04:18] <@ehsan> r-
# [04:18] <@ehsan> joe: if we rip out the editor, then maybe...
# [04:18] * @ehsan dardreams
# [04:18] <joe> well you should've r-'d before I pushed this code
# [04:19] <@ehsan> daydreams, even
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# [04:20] <@ehsan> see, if firefox would shutdown faster, I'd go do something productive :/
# [04:20] <joe> espindola's working on that!
# [04:20] * @ehsan gets impatient and kills firefox
# [04:20] <@ehsan> yeah I know
# [04:20] <@ehsan> ok back to work!
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# [04:21] <@bz> I don't get it
# [04:21] <@bz> why do people still program things like in-website calculators as Java applets?
# [04:21] <@bz> I mean....
# [04:22] <@bz> why did they _ever_ do them as Java applets?
# [04:22] <@ehsan> bz: to make sure that it runs on every platform?
# [04:22] * @ehsan docks
# [04:22] <@bz> ehsan: clearly
# [04:22] <@bz> ehsan: with what? ;)
# [04:22] <@ehsan> java running in a search engine
# [04:22] <@ehsan> hrm
# [04:22] <@ehsan> a browser
# [04:22] <@ehsan> don't know which is which
# [04:22] <nattokirai> joe: ping
# [04:22] <@bz> ehsan: I meant to ask what you're docking with
# [04:23] * @ehsan goes to do something productive for realz this time!
# [04:23] <@bz> ehsan: heh
# [04:23] * @bz should consider that
# [04:23] <@ehsan> bz: *duck :P
# [04:23] <@bz> ehsan: aha!
# [04:23] <@ehsan> bz: don't give me a hard time, this is only my 3rd language!
# [04:23] <@bz> ehsan: oh? What's your second?
# [04:23] <@ehsan> C++ ;)
# [04:23] <@bz> ehsan: (and yeah, sorry; it's the sort of day when nitpicking English spelling seems like a good idea)
# [04:23] <@bz> ehsan: heh
# [04:24] <@ehsan> bz: isn't that everyday?!
# [04:24] <@bz> ehsan: nah, usually I accept that it's all just completely messed up and move on with life
# [04:24] <@ehsan> bz: but where's the fun in that?!
# [04:25] <@bz> ehsan: mmm
# [04:25] <@bz> ehsan: I'm actually in the middle of trying to teach Arlan to read in English
# [04:25] <@ehsan> bz: now, that's fun :)
# [04:25] <@bz> ehsan: there ends up being a lot of "you just have to memorize that in _this_ word this letter is pronounced like _so_" going on. :(
# [04:25] <@ehsan> yeah
# [04:25] <@bz> ehsan: Russian, as currently practiced, is more or less phonetic
# [04:26] <@ehsan> the people who designed the english language spelling were...
# [04:26] <@ehsan> erm
# [04:26] <@ehsan> not wise!
# [04:26] <@bz> ehsan: one thing we can thank the 1917 revolution for
# [04:26] <@ehsan> lol
# [04:26] <@bz> ehsan: it didn't use to be, see.
# [04:26] <njn> ehsan: you should write a letter of complaint to those people :P
# [04:26] <@bz> ehsan: It was closer than English, but not quite there
# [04:27] <@bz> ehsan: Part of the major literacy push in the 20s included language reforms to make teaching easier
# [04:27] <@ehsan> njn: what post service provides services across the 4th dimension? ;)
# [04:27] <@bz> ehsan: got rid of a silent letter and a letter that had the same sound as another already-existing letter
# [04:27] <njn> ehsan: hyperpost.com
# [04:27] <@bz> ehsan: and a few other minor changes
# [04:27] <@ehsan> bz: that makes so much sense to me
# [04:27] <@bz> ehsan: granted, _reading_ wasn't an issue even with those, but they caused a bit of trouble for writing.
# [04:27] <@ehsan> but there's always a group of people who would oppose this
# [04:27] <@bz> ehsan: right
# [04:27] <@ehsan> in the name of purity
# [04:27] <@ehsan> or nostalgia
# [04:27] <@ehsan> or both
# [04:28] <@bz> ehsan: That's where it helped that any such groups could be labeled enemies of the state and summarily shot.
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# [04:28] * @bz does not advocate this as a normal modus operandi
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# [04:28] <@ehsan> exactly
# [04:28] <@bz> I'd rather live with English spelling, warts and all
# [04:28] <@ehsan> turns out that shooting the people who disagree is a very effective way of getting to a consensus!
# [04:28] <@ehsan> ouch
# [04:29] <@ehsan> this joke wasn't even a bit funny
# [04:29] <@bz> heh
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# [04:29] <@bz> Sometimes I feel that way in htmlwg, yeah.
# [04:30] <@ehsan> heh
# [04:30] <@bz> Then I realize that they're disagreeing about longdesc or something again and I can tune it out
# [04:30] <@ehsan> oh god longdesc
# [04:30] <@bz> it's at least 20% of the mail
# [04:31] <@ehsan> what a good use of everybody's time!
# [04:32] <@ehsan> bjacob: ping
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# [04:36] <@bz> Could be worse
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# [04:36] <@bz> when the HTMLWG does "real" work it's things like "Add DRM to video"
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# [04:37] <@khuey> heh
# [04:38] * @bz is not bitter
# [04:38] <@bz> really
# [04:38] <@bz> not at all
# [04:38] <@bz> It's not like the topic of video on the web depresses me any time it comes up. :(
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# [04:39] <bjacob> ehsan: sorry, doing taxes and then offline. only time for a quick question!
# [04:39] <Waldo> longdesc is long
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# [04:47] <@ehsan> bjacob: quick question, is there a good library which implements the opengl matrix routines?
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# [04:48] <jtcranmer> bz: the real problem with phonetic spelling in English is that there are too many dialects
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# [04:48] <jtcranmer> the "toe-may-toe/toe-mah-toe" problem
# [04:49] <bjacob> ehsan: any matrix library would do
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# [04:49] <jtcranmer> that one may be a bit artifical, but in the midwest, "bag" and "vague" sound the same (to my ears, they're completely different)
# [04:50] <@bz> jtcranmer: I'll take phonemic too
# [04:50] <bjacob> ehsan: since all there is is "load 4x4 identity matrix" and "multiply 4x4 identity matrices"
# [04:50] <@ehsan> bjacob: I'm interested in a matrix library which provides the same APIs and interfaces
# [04:50] <bjacob> ehsan: my advice is do your own trivial impl
# [04:50] <@ehsan> (out of laziness!)
# [04:50] <@bz> jtcranmer: it wouldn't be perfect, but it'd be better
# [04:50] <bjacob> ehsan: sorry, i dont know any
# [04:50] <@ehsan> ok
# [04:50] <@ehsan> bjacob: thanks!
# [04:50] <bjacob> ehsan: but its' really trivial. i can do it for you in 5 min tomorrow
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# [04:51] <@bz> jtcranmer: but yeah, that wouldn't help tomato or apricot
# [04:51] <@bz> jtcranmer: or sprinkles. ;)
# [04:51] <njn> mwu: you have a red B2G
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# [04:51] <jtcranmer> bz: an interesting example Wikipedia has
# [04:51] <@ehsan> bjacob: lol ok :)
# [04:51] <jtcranmer> "electric" and "electricity" would look quite different from each other
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# [04:52] <@bz> jtcranmer: other than in the final letter?
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# [04:53] <pc_> can any one help on this: i am trying to use ccache for
# [04:53] <pc_> building the nightly. According to
# [04:53] <pc_> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/ccache , I have to
# [04:53] <pc_> configure .mozconfig, but from another document, it says
# [04:53] <pc_> currently we dont need to configure the .mozconfig file.
# [04:53] <pc_> Am I right?
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# [04:54] <Mossop> As long as your gcc etc. are linked to your ccache binaries then you don't need to do anything to mozconfig I think. If they aren't then you do
# [04:54] <njn> mwu: cool
# [04:55] <pc_> Mossop: how do I config this linkage?
# [04:55] <Mossop> Usually it's done with symlinks from gcc somewhere in your path. Everytime I've installed ccache through package managers its already done it for me
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# [04:56] <pc_> i did apt-get install ccache
# [04:56] <pc_> Is that ok?
# [04:56] <Mossop> Depends on the package that installed
# [04:57] <Mossop> What does |which gcc| say and is that a file or a symlink or something?
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# [04:57] <pc_> Mossop: a symlink
# [04:57] <Mossop> To what?
# [04:58] <pc_> gcc-4.6
# [04:58] <Mossop> Suggests it isn't set up right, but I could be wrong
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# [04:58] <pc_> gcc-4.6 -> hardened-cc
# [04:59] <pc_> anyway thanks a lot :)
# [04:59] <Mossop> Either way, setting it in mozconfig is probably the surefire way to make it work regardless of whether your package installed the links to make it the default
# [04:59] <pc_> gread, if mozconfig works, I will do this.
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# [05:01] <philor> mwu: y u hate b2g and make it burn?
# [05:02] <mwu> philor: it's a config we're trying to move away from
# [05:02] <mwu> but apparently the buildmachines still use it
# [05:02] <mwu> going to land a fix soon
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# [06:04] <nigelb> heh http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/20887336830/we-also-have-coincidental-blues-and-isochronal
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# [06:31] <jgilbert> is there any known problem with MacOS builds that would cause optimized builds to SEGFAULT on startup?
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# [06:32] <jgilbert> fresh moz-central clone, full-clobber build
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# [06:32] <jgilbert> gcc appears to be 4.2.1
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# [06:47] <Callek> jgilbert: what XCode ver?
# [06:48] <njn> in |try { ... } catch (e) { ... }| what is the scope of |e|?
# [06:48] <jgilbert> Callek: 4.3.2 (4E2002)
# [06:49] <Callek> jgilbert: also what OSX ver do you have?
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# [06:49] <@bz> njn: scope in what sense?
# [06:49] <jgilbert> Callek: 10.7.3
# [06:49] <njn> bz: er, scope as in scope?
# [06:50] <njn> bz: is it a global variable? local to the enclosing function? local to the catch block?
# [06:50] <Callek> jgilbert: interesting, m-c is now using 10.7 as its primary mac build system
# [06:50] * Callek looks for info on what XCode ver we are using
# [06:50] <@bz> njn: ah
# [06:50] <@bz> njn: looking
# [06:50] <jgilbert> Callek: only think in system update is a java patch
# [06:50] <jgilbert> trying that, but it seems unlikely to help with builds
# [06:51] <@bz> njn: looks spec says....
# [06:51] <Callek> yea I'd be *shocked* if that helps
# [06:51] <@bz> take LexicalEnvironment of the running execution context
# [06:51] <jgilbert> Callek: according to http://blog.johnford.org/we-have-new-fast-mac-build-machines-in-production/
# [06:51] <Callek> jgilbert: of course actually -- it could have just been a bad cset you checked out
# [06:51] <jgilbert> we're running gcc-4.2 from xcode 4.1 on 10.7.2
# [06:51] <@bz> Call NewDeclarativeEnvironment inheriting from it
# [06:51] <@bz> bind the identifier to the exception object
# [06:52] <jgilbert> Callek: this has been a problem the last three times I have pulled (re-cloned today, even) over the last week
# [06:52] <Callek> jgilbert: so yea, that blog entry had more info than I thought it would
# [06:52] <@bz> So basically a new scope object is created for the execution of the catch block
# [06:52] <Callek> jgilbert: did you ever try clobbering your objectdir?
# [06:52] <jgilbert> Callek: every time
# [06:52] <@bz> whose parent is the scope you were in before
# [06:52] <@bz> and the only thing in this new scope is the "e" in your case
# [06:52] <jgilbert> Callek: stranger is that debug builds seem to run fine
# [06:52] <Callek> jgilbert: are you building against the 10.7 SDK or 10.6 sdk like "we" are?
# [06:53] <@bz> njn: so effectively local to the catch block
# [06:53] <Callek> jgilbert: and is *anything* non-standard in your mozconfig
# [06:53] <@bz> njn: though obviously you could create closures that close over it and whatnot
# [06:53] <njn> bz: cool, thanks
# [06:53] <@bz> njn: no problem
# [06:54] <@bz> njn: at least this stuff _has_ a useful spec. ;)
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# [06:55] <jgilbert> Callek: --enable-optimize --disable-debug, and -j8 -s
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# [06:55] <jgilbert> Callek: I don't know which SDK, where do I find that?
# [06:56] <Callek> jgilbert: |ls /Developer/SDKs/| ?
# [06:56] * Callek is a windows user, so I can try and help for some of this finer details, but giving the ultimate specifics is harder
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# [06:57] <jgilbert> Callek: no such dir
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# [06:58] <jgilbert> |sdk| is not anywhere in the configure spew, either
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# [07:00] <jgilbert> I hit 'checking bad gcc versions... Apple build 5658', but that just seems to disable theora's ASM inlining
# [07:01] <Callek> jgilbert: I found https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/developertools/conceptual/cross_development/Configuring/configuring.html
# [07:01] <jgilbert> 'checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no'?
# [07:01] <qheaden> Unfocused: You said I should change onAddonDragStart and onAddonDragEnd to onDragStart and onDragEnd in the gListView. Wouldn't that be confusing since it makes it look like the entire list view will be dragged?
# [07:01] <Callek> jgilbert: which suggests that /Developer/SDKs/ should exist
# [07:01] <jgilbert> indeed
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# [07:03] <Unfocused> qheaden: well, we're never going to let the whole listview be dragged. plenty of methods on that object act on only one addon
# [07:03] <qheaden> Unfocused: In that case, I'll change it then.
# [07:04] <jviereck> roc: *ping*
# [07:04] <@roc> hi
# [07:04] <jviereck> hi Rob :)
# [07:04] <jviereck> I was wondering how to continue with teh printing stuff
# [07:04] <jviereck> the patch is done, but I can't run the test on my machine, so I will install linux tomorrow for this
# [07:04] <Callek> jgilbert: unfortunately I don't think I will personally be able to help you further though
# [07:04] * Callek would better suggest a real mac dev to assist
# [07:04] <Callek> and/or you file a bug on your startup crash
# [07:05] <@roc> what test?
# [07:05] <jviereck> roc: should we get some standalization process going for the `mozPrintCallback` stuff? What's the best for it?
# [07:05] <@roc> WHATWG
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# [07:05] <jviereck> roc: the current tests under /content/canvas/test crash my browser :(
# [07:05] <@roc> ah
# [07:05] <@roc> only on Linux?
# [07:05] <@roc> why can't you run those tests on your machine?
# [07:05] <@roc> what's your platform?
# [07:06] <jviereck> I talked to dholbert and jeff and they couldn't figure it out. That's running on my mac with OSX
# [07:06] <jgilbert> alright, thanks anyways, Callek
# [07:06] <jviereck> roc: that's how I run the tests: TEST_PATH=content/canvas/ make mochitest-plain
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# [07:06] <@roc> you mean you can't run the canvas tests at all on your machine? or they run, but don't crash?
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# [07:06] <jviereck> roc: they run, and then FF crashes, one sec
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# [07:07] <jgilbert> jviereck: did you isolate which test is crashing
# [07:07] <jgilbert> ?
# [07:07] <jgilbert> also, pastebin your about:support
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# [07:07] <@roc> are you having difficulty debugging the crash?
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# [07:07] <jviereck> roc: that's something I got doing a debug build without optimazations:
# [07:07] <jviereck> 8:31:12 PM jviereck: 4166 ERROR TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /tests/content/canvas/test/webgl/test_webgl_conformance_test_suite.html | an unexpected uncaught JS exception reported through window.onerror - WebGLTestHarnessModule is not defined at http://mochi.test:8888/tests/content/canvas/test/webgl/test_webgl_conformance_test_suite.html:126
# [07:07] <jviereck> JavaScript error: http://mochi.test:8888/tests/content/canvas/test/webgl/test_webgl_conformance_test_suite.html, line 126: WebGLTestHarnessModule is not defined
# [07:07] <jviereck> 4167 INFO TEST-END | /tests/content/canvas/test/webgl/test_webgl_conformance_test_suite.html | finished in 3679ms
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# [07:08] <jviereck> I was talking to khuey and bjacob yesterday about this, and they couldn't figure out what's going from these lines
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# [07:09] <jviereck> roc: I'm not really sure how to debug this crash :/
# [07:09] <jgilbert> jviereck: I thought that was fixed when running with /test/, is it not?
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# [07:09] <jviereck> jgilbert: nope
# [07:10] <jgilbert> and there's no crash dump?
# [07:10] <jviereck> jgilbert: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1563531
# [07:10] <jviereck> jgilbert: let me run it again
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# [07:12] <jviereck> roc: if I make a mail to the WHATWG mailing list, how much should I go into detail when making the post. Just scratch the basic idea or lay out the entire idea brainstorming about how to handle put/getImageData as well
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# [07:13] <jgilbert> jviereck: you can run the webgl tests at https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/conformance-suites/1.0.1/webgl-conformance-tests.html also
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# [07:13] <jgilbert> they should be the same, more or less
# [07:14] <@roc> jviereck: first thing is to lay out your use case
# [07:14] <jgilbert> and they come in blocks, which helps with isolating problematic tests
# [07:14] <@roc> explain the problem you're trying to solve as concretely as possible
# [07:14] <@roc> e.g. "I'm rendering PDF content to a canvas and I want to get a high-res version output when printing"
# [07:15] <@roc> then, after that, explain your proposed solution
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# [07:20] <qheaden> Unfocused: Well, I made all of the changes you suggested. :)
# [07:20] <Unfocused> qheaden: great :)
# [07:20] <qheaden> Unfocused: I forget. Are there any more feature that need adding?
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# [07:26] <qheaden> Unfocused: The patch I am working on now already has the ability to uninstall search engines. So the only thing that remains is to provide the correct value for SearchEngineAddon.scope.
# [07:26] <qheaden> After that, we should be feature complete.
# [07:26] <Unfocused> qheaden: enable/disable/uninstall, correctly calculating the scope property, need a new checkbox to enable/disable search suggestions (not sure where that should go, better ask UX)
# [07:26] <Unfocused> oh yea? cool
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# [07:27] <qheaden> About the enabling and disabling. That basically shows and hides the engine in the dropdown search selection?
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# [07:28] <Unfocused> yep
# [07:28] <qheaden> ok
# [07:28] <qheaden> I should be able to clean that stuff up this week. Hopefully. :)
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# [07:29] <jviereck> roc: how much details for the solution? Explain all the details I thought about and edge cases or just say "I have more but I want to get your first reaction to it"?
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# [07:29] <qheaden> Well, I must go to bed. Later everyone.
# [07:30] <qheaden> Unfocused: I'll be in touch about my progress throughout this week.
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# [07:30] <Unfocused> qheaden: great :)
# [07:30] <Unfocused> .. bah
# [07:30] <jviereck> roc: would you mind if I send you what I would write to the WHATWG first?
# [07:31] <jviereck> jgilbert: I just ran the tests in my normal nightly browser and it crashed...?
# [07:31] <jviereck> (that means the URL you gave me)
# [07:31] <jviereck> doing again
# [07:31] <jgilbert> jviereck: yeah, sounds a graphics bug
# [07:32] <jviereck> jgilbert: grrr. Should I fill a bug?
# [07:32] <jgilbert> jviereck: yes. I can track down what it is tomorrow
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# [07:33] <jviereck> jgilbert: your jeff, right?
# [07:33] <jgilbert> jviereck: correct
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# [07:33] <jviereck> jgilbert: should I come upstares to you?
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# [07:33] <jgilbert> jviereck: if you're still here, yeah
# [07:34] <jviereck> k
# [07:34] <jviereck> then I will do that tomorrow ;)
# [07:34] <jviereck> and go for sleep then
# [07:34] <jgilbert> ok
# [07:36] <@roc> jviereck: sure, ehterpad it?
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# [07:37] <jviereck> roc: awesome idea. thanks :)
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# [07:42] <jgilbert> Callek: for the record, using clang instead of gcc fixed it
# [07:43] <jgilbert> also a 25% reduction in build time \o/
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# [07:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e636439e342f - Olli Pettay - Bug 742482 - Add support for MutationObserver.takeRecords(), r=sicking
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# [08:34] <@smaug> interesting. looks like there is something good at waking up early. builds are ready fast and running tests doesn't take much time either
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# [08:52] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:57] <Mark_Capella> B)
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# [10:09] <glob> 'text'.match(/?/) --> syntax error: invalid quantifier
# [10:09] <glob> 'text'.match('?') --> NS_ERROR_OUT_OF_MEMORY
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# [10:14] <Yoric> cjones: ping
# [10:14] <Yoric> glob: That's not nice.
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# [10:16] <cjones> hey Yoric
# [10:17] <Yoric> cjones: Hi
# [10:17] <Yoric> How are you?
# [10:18] <Yoric> cjones: Regarding bug 728171, what do you suggest?
# [10:18] <Yoric> Should I try and divide the bug in as many components as possible?
# [10:19] <Yoric> (and the patch, too)
# [10:20] <cjones> looking
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# [10:21] <cjones> looks mechanical, i can review
# [10:21] <cjones> anything subtle in code i don't know i'll delegate
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# [10:22] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [10:22] <Yoric> And yes, it is basically mechanical.
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# [10:34] <Ms2ger> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/20887336830/we-also-have-coincidental-blues-and-isochronal
# [10:35] <mounir> sicking: ping
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# [10:37] <Ms2ger> Hah
# [10:37] <@smaug> Ms2ger: heh
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# [10:42] <sicking> mounir: pong
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# [10:46] <mounir> sicking: do you think you could attend the WebIntent F2F in May?
# [10:46] <mounir> at least, were you planned to?
# [10:46] <mounir> that would be awesome to have someone from Mozilla
# [10:46] <sicking> i didn't know about it
# [10:46] <sicking> where is it?
# [10:46] <mounir> I was going to shoot you an email about that actually
# [10:46] <sicking> and what days?
# [10:46] <mounir> 1st and 2nd of May in MV
# [10:47] <mounir> really close to you ;)
# [10:47] <Ms2ger> The WebApps F2F, you mean
# [10:47] <mounir> Ms2ger: there will be a WebIntents F2F during the WebApps F2F
# [10:47] <Ms2ger> WebIntents are on the agenda of the WebApps F2F
# [10:48] <sicking> mounir: oh, isn't that the webapps f2f?
# [10:48] <sicking> mounir: i'll be at that yeah
# [10:48] <Yoric> cjones: So, can I just mark it as checkin-needed?
# [10:48] <mounir> sicking: cool
# [10:49] <mounir> sicking: I will still send you an email as a reminder ;)
# [10:49] <sicking> mounir: please don't, it's in my calendar
# [10:49] <mounir> sicking: ok
# [10:49] * Ms2ger isn't sure if anything useful will happen there
# [10:49] <mounir> Ms2ger: I think they will kill all specs to have them done with WebIntents
# [10:50] <mounir> but that might be a spoiler
# [10:50] <Ms2ger> Let's just rename it XBL2
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# [10:51] <@smaug> I can hope File System API will be killed
# [10:54] <darktrojan> kill all the apis
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# [10:56] <cjones> Yoric, sure
# [10:56] <Yoric> ok
# [10:56] <Yoric> Thanks
# [10:56] <Yoric> Maybe I'll launch one last TryServer, though.
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# [11:03] <glazou> <troll_alert> who needs an API when everything is "native" :-) </troll_alert>
# [11:04] <darktrojan> native like html5?
# [11:04] <glazou> eheh
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# [11:06] <Ms2ger> glazou, CSS Regions? :)
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# [11:11] <glazou> all is natively regioned
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# [11:38] <glazou> hmmm if I use McCoy to sign an update.rdf then Nightly complains about that update.rdf saying it misses an <updates> section
# [11:38] <glazou> is there a version of McCoy more recent than 0.5 from 2008 ?
# [11:38] <glazou> or what do you guys use instead ?
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# [11:52] <glandium> Looks like I haven't broken the tree, yet
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# [12:11] <glazou> Unfocused: ping
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# [12:12] <glandium> i like how when tech press talks about new features in FF, they like to say it's copied from chrome, but not the other way around
# [12:17] <nthomas> opera had it first
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# [12:27] <glazou> Unfocused: nevermind
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# [12:29] <gcp> inbound seems to hav permaorange on mochitest-4 after mozilla-inbound/rev/986091dac358
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# [12:40] <Ms2ger> kennyluck, please mention https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/46eacf64298a in the correct bug
# [12:40] <Ms2ger> kennyluck, and please fix the commit message for your next try
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# [12:42] <kennyluck> Ms2ger, huh? Do we mind telling me what happened?
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# [12:43] <kennyluck> gcp, how do I get to know the complier message?
# [12:45] <kennyluck> Ah, I typed in the bug number wrong.
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# [12:53] * hsivonen is still not a fan of DOM3 Load&Save
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# [12:56] <hsivonen> we have surprisingly many tests that use xmlDoc.load(...)
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# [12:56] <hsivonen> maybe it has had a lot of bugs!
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# [13:04] <darktrojan> pretty sure it shouldn't look like this http://i.imgur.com/Vbxh3.png?1
# [13:05] <kennyluck> Ah, I know what's going on now.
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# [14:41] <avih> hi, anyone familiar enough with the build system to help me fix the android build on windows? it currently stops with:
# [14:41] <avih> export_tier_base
# [14:41] <avih> make[5]: Entering directory `/d/mozilla-build/mozilla-central/objdir-droid/config'
# [14:41] <avih> make[5]: execvp: /d/mozilla-build/mozilla-central/objdir-droid/config/nsinstall.exe: Bad file number
# [14:41] <avih> make[5]: *** [export] Error 127
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# [14:42] <avih> what's nsinstall, and is it required for building firefox mobile on windows?
# [14:42] <mfinkle> not required for firefox mobile
# [14:43] <avih> ok, good start... where should i look to change it then?
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# [14:45] <jdm> mfinkle: really? nsinstall isn't required?
# [14:45] <avih> i've already added the mingw bin dir to the path (requires a native c compiler for something with freetype2, and it doesn't try to use msvc, but goes on when i point it to gcc of mingw)
# [14:45] <mfinkle> jdm, hmm - i guess we use it in make files to make dirs and copy files
# [14:45] <rohan> anyone here familiar with HUDService.jsm?
# [14:45] <jdm> right
# [14:45] <mfinkle> avih, i am wrong about nsinstall
# [14:46] <glandium> mfinkle: yeah we use it everywhere
# [14:46] <avih> mfinkle: when i try to execute it directly, it appears it requires administrative permissions
# [14:46] <mfinkle> the makefiles need it mto move files around
# [14:46] <jdm> avih: ohhh, that's the silly *install* heuristic that windows uses :(
# [14:46] <mfinkle> avih, make sure you start the console window as "run as administrator"
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# [14:46] <glandium> seriously?
# [14:46] <glandium> i've never had to do that
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# [14:47] <mfinkle> i always do
# [14:47] <avih> mfinkle: i start it with the batch file provided with the mozilla tools for windows (msvc10.bat iirc)
# [14:47] <glandium> avih: that's what i do
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# [14:47] <mfinkle> avih, yeah, i usually right click on that bat file and "run as administrator"
# [14:47] <avih> glandium: yes, and it works for building firefox for windows, but fails, as i described, when trying to build firefox for android
# [14:48] <mfinkle> oh, then something else must be busted
# [14:48] <glandium> avih: do we really support building for android on windows?
# [14:48] <avih> yes, and i'm trying to figure out what
# [14:48] <mfinkle> if it works for desktop but not mobile
# [14:48] <avih> glandium: not that i know of, but thought of giving it a go. it goes quite a while before it fails
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# [14:48] <mfinkle> glandium, i don't know of anyone building for android on windows
# [14:48] <glandium> avih: for instance, what compiler does it use to build the host tools ?
# [14:49] <avih> glandium: i pointed it to a local mingw bin dir
# [14:49] <avih> and it accepted it
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# [14:49] <glandium> avih: yeah well, i wouldn't bet too much on that actually working
# [14:50] <avih> glandium: for now, it fails on something else it seems
# [14:50] <znhxr> I googled the error message
# [14:50] <avih> configure at least was satisfied with the mingw dir
# [14:50] <znhxr> possible cause: command line and/or environment is too big
# [14:50] <glandium> avih: yeah, but nsinstall.exe is somehow borked
# [14:50] <avih> znhxr: that's for the nsinstall error?
# [14:51] <znhxr> execvp "bad file number"
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# [14:51] <avih> oh
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# [14:51] <avih> maybe i should try it at a shorter path then?
# [14:52] <avih> like /d/m instead of /d/mozilla-tools/mozilla-central ?
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# [14:52] <glandium> avih: what if you run the failing command line "by hand"?
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# [14:53] <glandium> or even just nsinstall.exe
# [14:53] <avih> glandium: i don't know the full command line... hmm.. maybe due to the -s flag.. ?
# [14:53] <glandium> without any arguments
# [14:53] <avih> glandium: asks for administrator approval, then just exits. and from command line, it doesn't output anything. tried also with -h, --help and /?
# [14:54] <glandium> avih: that could be a problem with binaries produced by mingw
# [14:54] <avih> glandium: yes. possible
# [14:54] <glandium> (any of them)
# [14:54] <avih> though mingw is generally quite solid..
# [14:55] <avih> well.. i'll first try it with a shorter path...
# [14:55] <glandium> avih: that could be one of the build flags, too.
# [14:56] <avih> glandium: "that"?
# [14:56] <glandium> avih: the problem
# [14:56] <glandium> flags given to mingw
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# [14:56] <avih> indeed
# [14:57] <glandium> avih: at least, you're trying the "easy" way. Using MSVC to build host tools would just be impossible
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# [14:58] <glandium> (because our cross-compiling kind of sucks)
# [14:58] <avih> glandium: yes, trying for minimum hussles right now, let's first get it finish compiling with what i can ;)
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# [15:00] <avih> how do i make tee take everything? i'm using make -f client.mk | tee build.log but it seels it doesn't take all output...
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# [15:01] <znhxr> make -f client.mk 2>&1 | tee build.log # dunno if that works on windows
# [15:01] <avih> znhxr: thx, it should, it's bash
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# [15:01] <jviereck> is there a way to tell hg to put rejects in the failing file and not create a new .rej one?
# [15:01] <jviereck> like git is doing it
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# [15:03] <avih> ok, running clean build with a short path and logging output, i'll post it when it stops
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# [15:04] <Fallen> gerv: make it 30, so lets say 14:30 your time
# [15:04] <gerv> OK.
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# [15:07] <avih> hmm.. log is too big for pastebin.mozilla...
# [15:07] <glandium> jviereck: i guess you're asking for hg qpush
# [15:07] <jdm> glandium: qpush drops .rej files for me
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# [15:08] <jviereck> glandium: I used qpush
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# [15:09] <glandium> jviereck: makes sense, then, because hg merge does like git
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# [15:09] <glandium> jviereck: quick google search yielded http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/MqMergePatches
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# [15:09] <avih> glandium: here's the end of the log, i also removed the -s flag, so more verbose output, including the full command line with nsinstall (where it fails again). might be due to the -m644 file permission thingy. but there's also a prior failure, whete it looks for the some sdk at onjdir...: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1563991
# [15:10] <avih> just above the nsinstall failure
# [15:11] <avih> i'm missing nspr-config...
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# [15:11] <jviereck> glandium: I don't want the merge to be done automatic. I just want the rejected hunks to show up wihin the file that fails to apply the patch agains
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# [15:12] <glandium> jviereck: presumably, if there are conflicts, it will do that
# [15:12] <glandium> avih: not a problem. that usually happens
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# [15:12] <jviereck> glandium: ahh, I think I see now what you're up to. Thanks a lot :)
# [15:12] <avih> glandium: ok, can u tell what might be going wrong from the log?
# [15:13] <avih> it really runs quite a long time before failing...
# [15:13] <glandium> avih: from that log, all that could go wrong is the build of nsinstall.exe
# [15:13] <avih> maybe i can take nsinstall.exe built properly from someplace else, and let it go on?
# [15:14] <glandium> avih: that could work, but you'll probably have problems with other host tools
# [15:14] <avih> possibly indeed
# [15:14] <glandium> avih: it would be interesting to try building a dumb test program with the same flags, and see how it runs
# [15:15] <avih> glandium: in your opinion, what would be the major hurdle for building mobile on windows?
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# [15:15] <glandium> avih: if using mingw, it might actually work
# [15:15] <avih> glandium: if you give me an example "dumb test program" and instruction, i'll gladly follow it and report back
# [15:15] <glandium> avih: int main() {}
# [15:16] <avih> :)
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# [15:16] <avih> and how would you like to build it?
# [15:16] <avih> via client.mk??
# [15:16] <glandium> avih: just build it manually by copy/pasting the relevant bits of the command lines you have in your log
# [15:17] <avih> nsinstall.exe itself build, and i do get an executable, and the log doesn't show any warnings when building it...
# [15:17] <glandium> avih: yeah, but the problem could well be that your mingw is just on crack and does that for just everything
# [15:17] <avih> you mean this? gcc -o host_nsinstall_win.o -c -mwindows -DXP_WIN32 -DXP_WIN -DWIN32 -D_WIN32 -DNO_X11 -D_CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS -O2 -DUNICODE -D_UNICODE -I/d/m/config -I. -I../dist/include -I../dist/include/nsprpub `/d/m/objdir-droid/dist/sdk/bin/nspr-config --prefix=/d/m/objdir-droid/dist --includedir=/d/m/objdir-droid/dist/include/nspr --cflags` -I/d/m/objdir-droid/dist/include/nss `/d/m/objdir-droid/dist/sdk/bin/nspr-config --
# [15:17] <avih> prefix=/d/m/objdir-droid/dist --includedir=/d/m/objdir-droid/dist/include/nspr --cflags` /d/m/config/nsinstall_win.c
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# [15:18] <glandium> avih: yeah, and the other one that takes the object and creates the executable
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# [15:19] <avih> glandium: ok, pls take a look at line 358 of the log, should i do that from /m/d/objdir-droid/config ?
# [15:19] <avih> or from objdir?
# [15:19] <glandium> avih: preferably
# [15:19] <glandium> the former
# [15:19] <avih> ok, will try
# [15:20] <avih> and keep all the other flags as is?
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# [15:22] <glandium> avih: yes, except the file names, obviously :)
# [15:22] <avih> :P
# [15:22] <glandium> so, for once, it looks like I didn't break the tree
# [15:22] <glandium> (but yoric did)
# [15:22] <Yoric> /o\
# [15:23] <Yoric> My apologies.
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# [15:23] <glandium> Yoric: that's what you get for using %i for size_t :)
# [15:23] <Yoric> %i ?
# [15:24] <Yoric> You mean int?
# [15:24] <glandium> ah no, it's not a formatting error, it's a struct initialization error
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# [15:24] <glandium> (read the error too quickly)
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# [15:25] <Yoric> Yeah, I initialize a struct containing PRInt32 fields using values of type size_t.
# [15:25] <Yoric> Which happen to be between 0 and 100, but try telling that to the compiler :)
# [15:26] <glandium> heh
# [15:28] <avih> glandium: :/ i compiled a hello world program successfully, but when i run it it doesn't print anything (missing include dirs? but it didn't error on #include <stdio.h>...
# [15:28] <avih> so yes, the gcc setup might be b0rked..
# [15:29] <glandium> avih: something else you can try is to do a desktop build with mingw (NOT msvc)
# [15:29] <glandium> it should fail the same way, but at least, it's a setup that's already supposed to work
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# [15:30] <avih> glandium: yes, that was next on my tryouts list... (or at least combining paths from msys to the mozilla batch)
# [15:30] <glandium> (i know we have people building for mingw)
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# [15:32] <avih> well.. trying to build from msys. at least configure doesn't stop instantly (still running)
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# [15:35] <avih> glandium: interesting, it stopped at exactly the same place with the nsinstall.exe thingy, but i don't see any error at the log...
# [15:36] <avih> (built from msys)
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# [15:36] <glandium> avih: now the question is, what's wrong with your mingw :)
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# [15:36] <avih> glandium: probably nothing. i use it to build big qt apps...
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# [15:37] <avih> it just aborted.. no errors whatsoever...
# [15:39] <avih> oh.. same error (accidentally used make -f client.mk 2>%1 |tee log, so the errors are on "%1" file :)
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# [15:43] <avih> glandium: well, when i compile test.c with gcc test.c, i get a working a.exe, but when i compile it with the command line which mozilla uses (with the intermediate .o file), it doesn't output everything, but otherwise seems to compile without errors
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# [15:43] <avih> it's a plain hello world c program
# [15:44] <glandium> avih: could be a problem with -mwindows ?
# [15:44] <avih> i'm not familiar enough with gcc to know the meaning of most flags...
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# [15:45] <glandium> avih: that
# [15:45] <avih> ?
# [15:45] <glandium> 's about the only one that I'd expect to have some actual effect
# [15:45] <avih> ok, i can try to build test.c, and later nsinstall without -mwindows...
# [15:46] <avih> glandium: that's when linking, yes?
# [15:46] <glandium> avih: both when compiling and linking
# [15:47] <avih> right. missed the first one.. k. sec
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# [15:47] <avih> glandium: well, it fixed my hello world app to now print. let's see now with nsinstall.
# [15:48] <glandium> avih: interesting
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# [15:49] <jacek> avih: what kind of mingw do you use?
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# [15:49] <avih> the plain one, with msys
# [15:50] <avih> (iirc, been a while since i downloaded it. few months at least)
# [15:50] <jacek> mingw-w64 is required for mozilla compilation, plain mingw.org is not enough (although I'd expect it to be capable to compile nsinstall alone)
# [15:50] <avih> jacek: i get an nsinstall.exe without errors, but using it seems to fail
# [15:51] <avih> jacek: :
# [15:51] <avih> gcc -o nsinstall.exe -mwindows -DXP_WIN32 -DXP_WIN -DWIN32 -D_WIN32 -DNO_X11 -D_CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS -O2 -DUNICODE -D_UNICODE host_nsinstall_win.o
# [15:51] <avih> /d/m/objdir-droid/config/nsinstall.exe -R -m 644 ../mozilla-config.h /d/m/config/nsStaticComponents.h ../dist/include
# [15:51] <avih> make[5]: execvp: /d/m/objdir-droid/config/nsinstall.exe: Bad file number
# [15:51] <glandium> jacek: hey, do you have problems with %llu in printf format strings with mingw64, building for x64?
# [15:51] <avih> i'm suspecting the 644 thingy. windows filesystem supports less permission properties than *nix
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# [15:52] <glandium> avih: the 644 thingy is an option *to* nsinstall, you don't even execute it
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# [15:52] <avih> but what if nsinstall tries to use it?
# [15:53] <glandium> avih: point is, nsinstall fails without options, right?
# [15:53] <avih> and then fails on some filesystem call?
# [15:53] <avih> glandium: i don't think so
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# [15:54] <glandium> avih: anyways, the make error message explicitely says it can't execute nsinstall.exe
# [15:54] <avih> previously it requested administartive permissions, but then did nothing (no crash). now, when i manually compiled it without the -mwindows, and i run it from command loine, i get: nsinstall: not enough arguments
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# [15:54] <avih> but when i try the full command line of the build, i get the same error as the build gets
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# [15:54] <jacek> glandium: I mostly do cross compilation, so I didn't test nsinstall for a while, but wouldn't expect problems there (it just uses msvcrt by default, like msvc except plain generic version)
# [15:54] <avih> glandium: it never refused to execute nsinstall
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# [15:56] <glandium> avih: is d a local drive ?
# [15:56] <avih> yes
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# [15:59] <avih> meh.. i'm giving up on this... i'll build it inside a linux vm...
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# [16:06] <gcp> should websites we allowed to block firefox keybiard shortcuts? notably the one to close a page...
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# [16:09] <edransch> Is anyone on Mac Firefox Nightly having trouble getting updates? (April 9th Nightly)
# [16:10] <sheppy> edransch: not here
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# [16:22] <bhearsum> bbondy: do you know if any updater changes landed on m-c recently?
# [16:22] <bhearsum> recently == this week
# [16:23] <bbondy> not that I know of
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# [16:23] <bhearsum> hm, ok
# [16:23] <bhearsum> thanks
# [16:23] <bbondy> check the hg log though on toolkit/mozapps/update
# [16:23] <bbondy> revision history
# [16:23] <bhearsum> yeah
# [16:23] <bbondy> why what's going on?
# [16:23] <bhearsum> edransch has been hitting an issue on his 10.7 machine where the mar looks like it's not applying correctly
# [16:24] <bhearsum> i just repro'ed, and ended up with a Contents/MacOS/Contents folder
# [16:24] <bhearsum> it's starting to smell like it might be a problem with the client side updater, and i was thinking that ehsan's work may have landed recently
# [16:24] <bbondy> probably post a new bug and put in your last update log file
# [16:24] <bhearsum> yeah
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# [16:26] <catlee> I'm on 10.5 and didn't hit it
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# [16:26] <catlee> bhearsum: did you have a fresh install?
# [16:26] <bhearsum> yup
# [16:26] <catlee> edransch: did you repo with a fresh install?
# [16:27] <edransch> yes
# [16:27] <catlee> so I started with http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2012/04/2012-04-09-03-12-40-mozilla-central/firefox-14.0a1.en-US.mac.dmg
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# [16:27] <bhearsum> yup, same here
# [16:27] <edransch> likewise
# [16:28] <catlee> and applied http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2012/04/2012-04-11-03-07-16-mozilla-central/firefox-14.0a1.en-US.mac.complete.mar according to updates.xml
# [16:28] <bhearsum> same
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# [16:29] <catlee> which is http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2012/04/2012-04-11-03-07-16-mozilla-central/firefox-14.0a1.en-US.mac.complete.mar
# [16:29] <catlee> yes
# [16:29] <catlee> hash matches
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# [16:31] <bhearsum> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739958 landed on the 5th
# [16:31] <bhearsum> doesn't seem a likely candidate for bustage though
# [16:31] <jviereck1> can we use GLP2 license code in Firefox?
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# [16:32] <glandium> jviereck: no
# [16:32] <catlee> bhearsum: huh
# [16:32] <catlee> Contents/MacOS/updater.app/Contents/MacOS/updater
# [16:32] <catlee> in the complete mar
# [16:32] <catlee> I don't have that file here though
# [16:32] <catlee> or is that normal for the updater?
# [16:33] <bhearsum> catlee: that's normal
# [16:33] <jviereck> glandium: thanks!
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# [16:34] <bhearsum> i've got htat file in both of the Contents directories' here
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# [16:38] <bhearsum> ok, so this mar from march 25 has a similar structure
# [16:38] <bhearsum> so i don't think there's an issue with mar creation
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# [16:42] <bhearsum> ehsan!
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# [16:49] <bhearsum> ehsan and i are looking at this irl now
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# [16:55] <bhearsum> edransch: your updates were definitely working before that?
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# [16:56] <edransch> not definitely, I'm not religious about updating and sometimes I'll just wipe the .app directory and replace it. So I can't tell you exactly when it started
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# [16:57] <bhearsum> catlee: did you start firefox from the console
# [16:57] <catlee> bhearsum: no
# [16:57] <bhearsum> aha!
# [16:58] <bhearsum> apparently there's some logic in the updater that fails when you start firefox on mac with "./firefox"
# [16:58] <bhearsum> (according to ehsan)
# [16:58] <catlee> ok, let me try
# [16:59] <catlee> from which directory?
# [16:59] <bhearsum> MacOS
# [16:59] <catlee> /Applications/Firefoxnightly.app/Contents/MacOS
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# [16:59] <bhearsum> yeah
# [16:59] <catlee> fails to launch
# [16:59] <bhearsum> huh
# [16:59] <catlee> dyld: unknown required load command 0x80000022
# [17:00] <bhearsum> huh
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# [17:00] <catlee> works from finder
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# [17:00] <Pike> interesting, full path works for me
# [17:00] <glandium> catlee: what version of OSX?
# [17:00] <bhearsum> Pike: yeah, apparently the problem is the "."
# [17:00] <bhearsum> bug 696891
# [17:01] <catlee> glandium: 10.5.8
# [17:01] <bhearsum> edransch: ^
# [17:01] <glandium> catlee: x64?
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# [17:01] <catlee> glandium: I think i386...
# [17:01] <bhearsum> edransch: looks like you can dupe your bug over!
# [17:01] <catlee> that's what uname -m sez
# [17:01] <edransch> o.O So what's the solution? do 'firefox' instead of './firefox' ?
# [17:01] <bhearsum> catlee: i bet there's some crazy preload stuff that happens to make that work, that you don't get when launching directly =\
# [17:02] <bhearsum> edransch: `pwd`/firefox should work too
# [17:02] <glandium> catlee: weird
# [17:02] <edransch> alright
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# [17:03] <glandium> catlee: can you pastebin the output of otool -l firefox ?
# [17:03] <@ehsan> bhearsum: do you have that bug number handy?
# [17:04] <@ehsan> catlee: I had filed that bug before :)
# [17:04] <@ehsan> it's been broken since the beginning of time
# [17:04] <bhearsum> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744400
# [17:04] <@ehsan> bhearsum: no, the one that I had filed
# [17:04] <catlee> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1564125
# [17:05] <bhearsum> oh
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# [17:05] <bhearsum> bug 696891
# [17:05] <@ehsan> thanks!
# [17:05] <@ehsan> I'll comment on it again
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# [17:07] <bhearsum> thanks again for your time ehsan
# [17:07] <@ehsan> np!
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# [17:08] <glandium> catlee: lines 207 and 208 don't smell too good
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# [17:10] <glandium> catlee: my guess is that the builds we get from building on 10.7 with Xcode 4.1 don't run on 10.5 because they use the new relocation type
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# [17:11] <glandium> catlee: do we build with -mmacosx-version-min=10.5?
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# [17:11] <glandium> (or MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5)
# [17:12] <catlee> glandium: it runs if I launch it from finder
# [17:12] <catlee> glandium: just not the cmdline
# [17:12] <glandium> catlee: that doesn't make sense
# [17:12] <edransch> bhearsum: Yepp the trick turned out to be `pwd`/firefox. Thanks ehsan!
# [17:12] <glandium> catlee: because otool says it can't
# [17:13] <@ehsan> "_
# [17:13] <@ehsan> that is, :)
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# [17:14] <glandium> catlee: can you pastebin otool -l -arch all firefox?
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# [17:14] <jfkthame> edransch: is there some reason you're cd'ing deep into the package, etc? why not just launch with "open /Applications/FirefoxNightly.app" (or whatever .app package you want to run)?
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# [17:16] <edransch> I want output on the command line, and to pass arguments to firefox. I wasn't aware of a way to do that with 'open', but if there is then that would simplify things.
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# [17:16] <edransch> jfkthame: ^
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# [17:16] <glandium> edransch: --args
# [17:17] <ted2> edransch: you can also use arch -i386 /path/to/firefox
# [17:17] <ted2> which is what all our test suites do
# [17:17] <edransch> ahhh cool! Thanks!
# [17:18] <philor> Bas: burning
# [17:18] <Bas> philor: Bah, I was worried about this patch.
# [17:19] <jfkthame> Bas: heard of try server? :)
# [17:19] <ted2> the osx 10.5 kernel wants to run 64-bit binaries even though the userland is painfully unequipped to do so
# [17:19] <catlee> grr
# [17:19] <catlee> I hate osx
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# [17:20] <Bas> jfkthame: The turnaround times lately have been horrible for me.,
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# [17:20] <Bas> I decided to take a chance :p
# [17:21] <Bas> philor: Would you consider letting me try landing one attempt for a fix on top of the burning?
# [17:21] <catlee> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1564143
# [17:21] <Bas> Or do you want me to backout right away.
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# [17:22] <philor> it's always better to ask forgiveness than permission
# [17:22] <froydnj> especially from philor
# [17:23] <philor> it's also always better to go fast than to wait
# [17:23] <Bas> philor: Ok, coming.
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# [17:23] <glandium> catlee: there's clearly a problem with that binary, and I don't see how it can run *at all*
# [17:24] <glandium> catlee: both x86 and x64 binaries have LC_DYLD_INFO_ONLY commands, and that's only supported by 10.6
# [17:24] <catlee> magic!
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# [17:25] <glandium> catlee: do you happen to have a build from before the buildbot switch?
# [17:26] <glandium> catlee: if you do, can you pastebin the same thing for that one?
# [17:27] <catlee> sure
# [17:27] <Bas> philor: Pushing now, if it doesn't work I'll back the offending patches out.
# [17:27] <catlee> glandium: oh, that is from before the switch
# [17:27] <catlee> I'll get one from after
# [17:27] <glandium> catlee: O_o
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# [17:31] <catlee> what's the cmdline tool on osx to get stuff into the clipboard?
# [17:31] <bhearsum> bwinton: ^
# [17:31] <bhearsum> (he modified your pastebin script at one point to do it...)
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# [17:33] <catlee> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1564148 is the new one
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# [17:35] <catlee> glandium: maybe something in the manifest makes it work?
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# [17:36] <catlee> LSMinimumSystemVersionByArchitecture
# [17:37] <glandium> catlee: this is interesting: the new binary is fine wrt LC_DYLD_INFO
# [17:37] <bwinton> catlee: Oh, uh, something…
# [17:38] <glandium> catlee: and the old wasn't
# [17:38] <bwinton> catlee: pbcopy
# [17:38] <bwinton> catlee: catlee (Sorry, just wanted to continue the highlight chain…)
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# [17:42] <jlebar> mounir, ack
# [17:42] <glandium> catlee: ah, the old was good too, actually. so, in the end, the problem was that your system was trying to run the x64 binary, which it can't load
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# [17:44] <catlee> glandium: is there a way around that on the cmdline?
# [17:44] <glandium> catlee: running with arch -i386, like ted said
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# [17:44] <catlee> ah, I missed that
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# [17:45] <mbrubeck> I think bug 677122 needs to come out...
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# [17:48] <Bas> philor: So far so good, sorry again :p
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# [17:49] <philor> Bas: busted on android debug :(
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# [17:50] <jwir3> were some csets skipped on the last merge from m-i to m-c?
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# [17:50] <jwir3> I can't seem to find https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ce4cfbc091dc and https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/866777368827 on m-c
# [17:50] <Bas> philor: Huh, that doesn't look like me, but how can it not be :s
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# [17:51] <mbrubeck> jwir3: Those haven't been merged yet.
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# [17:52] <jwir3> mbrubeck: So when the m-i to m-c merge happens, it doesn't take everything on m-i up to the time of the merge?
# [17:52] <jwir3> (I'm probably just not clear on what happens during the merge)
# [17:52] <mbrubeck> jwir3: No, we only merge up to the latest changeset that has all builds (including PGO) and tests completed and no known bustage.
# [17:52] <jwir3> ah
# [17:53] <jwir3> ok, thx for the clarification
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# [17:53] <mbrubeck> I'm looking to do a merge right now, just need to identify a non-busted changeset....
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# [17:54] * zzzzz doesn't understand how times on tbpl are calculated - Bas's android debug alleged fail took 15 mins, yet matts push 19 mins later shows android debug buildding for 53 mins ?
# [17:54] <mounir> cpearce: ping
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# [17:54] <Bas> I'm very confused, I don't understand how any of my patches could cause this failure.
# [17:55] <mbrubeck> zzzzz: The estimated times are the average of all previous *green* jobs that are visible.
# [17:55] <Bas> Hell I'm not sure I understand how that dom bindings stuff gets generated.
# [17:55] <Bas> And why did B2G pass :s
# [17:55] <zzzzz> heh!
# [17:55] <mbrubeck> b2g is awesome like that.
# [17:55] <glandium> Bas: that one could be me, let me check
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# [17:55] <Bas> glandium: But there was a green run on Android debug before my push.
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# [17:56] <glandium> Bas: I'm VERY good at introducing corner cases on incremental builds
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# [17:56] <Bas> glandium: Hah :)
# [17:56] <Bas> Let me know if it's not be because I'm pretty puzzled myself.
# [17:57] <Bas> *not me
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# [17:58] <glandium> Bas: that one would seem not to be me
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# [17:59] <Bas> glandium: Do you have any idea how this could be android specific and be related to my patch?
# [17:59] <Bas> I mean, where should I look for these functions and why they're failing.
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# [18:00] <glandium> Bas: let me update my tree
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# [18:02] <Bas> Linux appears fine too
# [18:02] <jfkthame> Bas: your patch introduces calls to abort()
# [18:02] * zzzzz once heard if all else fails clobber the droid
# [18:03] <Bas> jfkthame: Oh noes! Namespace aliasing?
# [18:03] <jfkthame> Bas: but there's a local ….::abort() that's hiding the global one
# [18:03] <Bas> jfkthame: So a simple :: in front of the abort should fix, agreed?
# [18:03] <jfkthame> i dunno
# [18:03] <glandium> Bas: i'd say yes
# [18:03] <jfkthame> sounds plausible but in a maze of twisty macros, who can tell? :)
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# [18:04] <Bas> jfkthame: I wonder why this only bother android.
# [18:04] <mbrubeck> Bas: and OS X
# [18:04] <jfkthame> because it's in #elif defined(ANDROID)
# [18:04] <Bas> Doh
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# [18:04] <glandium> Bas: but :: will fail in C
# [18:04] <Bas> Of course.
# [18:04] <mbrubeck> oh, OS X error is different
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# [18:05] <Bas> glandium: Yes, I was thinking the same thing..
# [18:05] <jfkthame> i see some tryserver pushes in bas's future….
# [18:05] <mbrubeck> "Assertion failure: r == 0, at ../../../xpcom/base/nsStackWalk.cpp:160" in make package
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# [18:05] <Bas> I'm going to backout.
# [18:05] <jfkthame> good call
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# [18:07] <Bas> jfkthame glandium: I'll #ifdef __cplusplus I suppose.
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# [18:07] <glandium> Bas: obviously :)
# [18:07] <mbrubeck> jwir3: So, for a good example, I just did a merge but I had to go back about 20 hours to find a non-busted changeset on inbound. :P
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# [18:09] <jwir3> mbrubeck: ah.
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# [18:09] <Bas> glandium philor: Ugh, I ruined my backout, how do I backout multiple changesets? :(
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# [18:09] <Bas> In my current state I'd need to two-step merge.
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# [18:10] <philor> other people are fancier, but I just hg qnew, hg backout -r top, hg qref, hg backout -r nextdown, hg qref, hg backout -r thirddown
# [18:11] <mbrubeck> I use "hg diff -r<tipmost changeset to back out> -r<last good changeset> | hg qimport - -n backout"
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# [18:12] <jwir3> hm, so sometimes I get this craziness: y.tab.c: In function ‘Pk11Install_yyparse’:
# [18:12] <jwir3> y.tab.c:1442:7: error: implicit declaration of function ‘Pk11Install_yyerror’
# [18:12] <jwir3> but only when I pop a patch from my queue, pull, then update, then push the patch again and recompile. If I pop the patch, recompile, and then push the patch and recompile, it works fine.
# [18:12] <hub> Bas: yesterday I used this to backout http://ehsanakhgari.org/blog/2010-09-09/backing-out-multiple-consecutive-changesets-mercurial
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# [18:15] <philor> Bas: backout pushed
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# [18:15] <philor> the advantage of my brute force method is that it doesn't require thinking or remembering or deciding, just doing
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# [18:16] <Bas> philor: I was just backing out the offending patch :p
# [18:16] <Bas> Now I have to push the others again, hehe :)
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# [18:19] <jfkthame> philor: fwiw, it looks like you missed some bug numbers in the commit msg
# [18:20] <philor> ah, they all looked alike to me
# [18:20] <jhammel> that's racist
# [18:21] <jwir3> haha
# [18:21] <mbrubeck> darnit, typo in the commit message of the patch I just landed. :P
# [18:21] <jwir3> mbrubeck: Guh. I hate it when that happens.
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# [18:31] <humph> ehsan: does the view source syntax checking happen in js, or is it relying on c++?
# [18:31] <humph> i.e., can I rip it out and use it on the web?
# [18:31] <Ms2ger> humph, C++
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# [18:31] <Ms2ger> Translated from Java
# [18:31] <humph> shame
# [18:31] <humph> OK, thanks
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# [18:33] <mbrubeck> Is there a JS backend for that translator?
# [18:33] <@bsmedberg> I'm sure we can translate java bytecode to JS somehow! ;-)
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# [18:33] <ted2> you can always compile the C++ to JS with emscripten
# [18:33] <ted2> java->C++->JS
# [18:33] <humph> bsmedberg: not with jit
# [18:33] <Ms2ger> Or use GWT
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# [18:33] <humph> gwt doesn't do what people think
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# [18:34] <@smaug> mbrubeck: ask hsivonen
# [18:34] <humph> bsmedberg: https://github.com/notmasteryet/jvm-js is without jit
# [18:34] <@smaug> I think hsivonen is looking at how to translate that code to Rust
# [18:34] <Bas> Hrm, that mac assertion failure on my patch is pretty weird.
# [18:34] <Ms2ger> Well, gwt is capable of doing http://livedom.validator.nu/
# [18:35] <humph> Ms2ger: mmm, thanks for that link
# [18:35] <Bas> Oh, maybe it makes sense.
# [18:36] <jdm> humph: https://github.com/toolness/slowparse
# [18:36] <humph> yeah, we're discussing that now
# [18:36] <jdm> ah, I see
# [18:36] <humph> (with atul :)
# [18:37] <jdm> hah
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# [18:42] <Bas> jfkthame: There, I pushed to try :p
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# [18:46] <glandium> Looks like 644608 is finally here to stick...
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# [18:53] <froydnj> ted: did you mean to r+ the patch in bug 743988?
# [18:53] <ted> probably
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# [18:54] <ted> froydnj: sorry, r+ed now
# [18:54] <froydnj> ted: thanks
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# [18:56] <froydnj> bug 744444 filed as followup too
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# [18:56] <Ms22ger> Nice number!
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# [18:57] <jhammel> Ms222ger: just because its evenly divisible by 4?
# [18:57] <Ms22ger> bear|buildduty, do you mean PDT?
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# [18:58] <bear|buildduty> isn't this PST time now?
# [18:58] <catlee> D
# [18:58] <catlee> I gave up
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# [18:58] <catlee> I use ET/PT now
# [18:59] <ted> i think you mean PTSD
# [18:59] <catlee> MUT
# [18:59] <ted> which is what we all have from dealing with timezones
# [18:59] <catlee> mountainview universal time
# [18:59] <Ms22ger> catlee, MVT
# [18:59] <bear|buildduty> according to http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/pacific-time/ the spring/summer part of the year is PST
# [19:00] <bear|buildduty> or i'm wrong
# [19:00] <bear|buildduty> either way it's 0600 to 0900 tomorrow
# [19:00] <catlee> -> % date
# [19:00] <catlee> Wed Apr 11 12:52:34 EDT 2012
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# [19:00] <catlee> that's how I always check :)
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# [19:01] <philor> snorp: you made XUL angry
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# [19:02] <snorp> philikon: oh.
# [19:02] <snorp> philor: oh.
# [19:02] <snorp> indeed, shit.
# [19:02] <bear|buildduty> doh! sorry ms22ger - do yours again
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# [19:02] * snorp can fix quickly
# [19:02] * bear|buildduty thanks ms22ger for the assist
# [19:02] <Ms22ger> Np
# [19:02] <Ms22ger> snorp, backout, please
# [19:02] <snorp> Ms22ger: yeah
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# [19:10] <mbrubeck> these new mac minis are awesome
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# [19:11] <Ms2ger> The ones we just installed into the build pool
# [19:12] <Ms2ger> And are blazingly fast
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# [19:23] <Ms2ger> Bas, were you going to ask something about the codegen for DOM bindings?
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# [19:50] <ted> huh
# [19:50] <ted> https://github.com/wdas
# [19:51] <ted> Walt Disney Animation Studios has stuff on github
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# [19:51] <Ms2ger> More surprisingly, so does the UK government
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# [19:52] <ted> i dunno, i think of disney as the place where copyright goes to die
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# [19:52] <jhammel> so by using github one supports white supremacy and bureaucracy
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# [19:53] <Ms2ger> Correct
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# [19:53] <ted> also the disney OSX admins hate our updates: http://managingosx.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/firefox-10-esr-and-cck-notes/
# [19:55] <@bz> disney does produce some public domain stuff
# [19:55] <jhammel> the court proceedings of their lawsuits, for one ;)
# [19:56] * @bz was thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
# [19:56] <@bz> (the act, not the wiki page about the act)
# [19:56] <jhammel> they should copyright the act! that would be the ultimate coup de grace
# [19:57] <@bz> 'the web browser is slow and costs many memories'
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# [20:03] <@bz> we don't cycle-collect docshells?
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# [20:05] <@bz> right
# [20:05] <@bz> but we want to, right?
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# [20:22] <Mossop> timA: pong
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# [20:22] <jrmuizel> ehsan: ping
# [20:23] <jhford-work> ehsan: ping
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> ehsan, ping
# [20:24] <joe> ehsan: ping
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# [20:24] <timA> Mossop: hey, after commenting on bug 738500 I had an idea. If there's a way to pass arguments to an xpcshell script then we could reimplement redit as a .js file and consumers could just run "xpcshell redit.js icoFile exeFile"
# [20:24] <timA> Mossop: but I'm not sure if that's possible
# [20:24] <Ms2ger> timA, C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
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# [20:25] <jhford-work> wow, i didn't realise someone already just pinged him :(
# [20:25] <jhford-work> sorry ehsan
# [20:25] <Mossop> timA: There might be, I'm not sure it is worth the effort to share the implementation though. I'm guessing there won't be much ongoing maintenance
# [20:25] <jhford-work> (see what i did there?)
# [20:26] <@khuey> lol http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/20899646420/not-just-a-peer-but-peer-support-as-well
# [20:26] <gps> timA: you could implement that in testing/xpcshell/xpcshelltestrunner.py if you really wanted
# [20:26] <Ms2ger> jhford-work, aww, poor ehsan
# [20:26] <gps> I would talk to ted about it
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# [20:27] <Mossop> gps: This isn't for an xpcshell tests
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# [20:27] <timA> right, this is for xpcshell... the shell
# [20:27] <gps> ugh
# [20:27] <gps> I looked at that code once. never again
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# [20:28] <jdm> raaargh
# [20:28] <jdm> why isn't this test failing theway I expect
# [20:28] <jdm> this is awful
# [20:28] <timA> Mossop: mmk, I'll go ahead and write-once, read-never-again and maybe file a followup for consolidating the two implementations
# [20:28] <Ms2ger> Because code sucks
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# [20:31] <@khuey> jdm: who submitted the meme about me?
# [20:31] <jdm> khuey: that was me
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# [20:31] <@khuey> ah
# [20:31] <@khuey> did you get the help you needed?
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# [20:32] <jdm> khuey: I didn't actually need help; I just noticed how everybody always turns to you if it's not something immediately obvious.
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# [20:32] <@khuey> heh, ok
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# [20:41] <@bz> IsSitePermAllow is such a broken API
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# [20:43] <@khuey> good thing there's only one consumer!
# [20:43] * @bz is reviewing a patch that tried adding a second one
# [20:43] <@bz> incorrectly, of course
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# [20:43] <@bz> because the API is BROKEN
# [20:43] <@khuey> I blame jonas
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# [20:44] <@bz> indeed
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> I blame Canada
# [20:44] <@bz> who should totally know better
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# [20:44] <catlee> sorry
# [20:44] <Waldo> timA: there's a bug on unifying the two implementations, it's one of those things that'd be nice in theory but is hard to get done in practice
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# [20:46] <@smaug> bz: good that you're reviewing that patch
# [20:46] <@smaug> I apparently did horrible review again :)
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# [20:50] <Ms2ger> smaug, hey, horrible reviews are my job :)
# [20:50] <@bz> man
# [20:50] <@bz> jQuery is such a footgun
# [20:50] <@bz> var form = $('<form />').attr('method', 'POST');
# [20:50] <@bz> $(document).append(form);
# [20:50] <@bz> What do you think that does?
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# [20:50] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I can give some reviews to you then ;)
# [20:51] <Ms2ger> Look for the first element whose ID is '<form />'?
# [20:51] <jhammel|lunch> bz: i know what it looks like it does
# [20:51] <biesi> bz, appends a <form method=POST> element to the <html> element?
# [20:51] <@bz> biesi: nope
# [20:51] <@bz> Ms2ger: nope
# [20:51] <@bz> Creates a <form> with @method set to POST
# [20:51] <@bz> and then silently does nothing
# [20:51] <@smaug> I would have guessed the same as biesi
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# [20:51] <@bz> quoting the append() function:
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# [20:52] <@bz> if ( this.nodeType === 1 ) {
# [20:52] <@bz> this.appendChild( elem );
# [20:52] <@bz> }
# [20:52] * Ms2ger looks at his spec for the constant
# [20:52] * @bz points to "footgun"
# [20:52] <@bz> that's ELEMENT_NODE
# [20:53] <ted> they wanted $(document.documentElement) or $(document.body) presumably
# [20:53] <@bz> ted: or $("body")
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# [20:53] <@bz> ted: of course in some UAs forms not in a document submit, and in others they do not... ;)
# [20:53] <Ms2ger> At least my spec throws! :)
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# [20:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b2cb9c43964e - Gregory Szorc - Bug 743413 - Move some utility functions from sync to common; r=rnewman
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# [20:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/579f1d93491c - Gregory Szorc - Bug 731494 - Refactor generic code from services/sync into services/common; r=rnewman
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# [20:58] <taras> gcp: so tell me about those long queries
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# [20:58] <gcp> I'm innocent, but I was in CC somewhere, lemme dig... :P
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# [20:59] <taras> gcp: i find it hard to imagine, doing this query is better than doing a temp table + some sort of join
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# [20:59] <@bsmedberg> Wow, lots of snow
# [20:59] <@khuey> what is "snow"?
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# [21:00] <Ms2ger> Softer than hail
# [21:00] <jwir3> khuey: It's like rain, but colder.
# [21:00] <derf> khuey: It's FFmpeg's experimental wavelet video codec.
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# [21:00] <@khuey> derf: finally an answer that makes sense!
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# [21:01] <@bz> khuey: you know when you have an analog tv?
# [21:01] <@bz> khuey: and you don't hook it up to an antenna?
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# [21:01] <@bz> taras: I _did_ wonder that, yes. ;)
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# [21:02] <Ms2ger> taras, he is
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> Unless you guys in the US got rid of snow earlier than here
# [21:02] <jhammel|lunch> bz: what is analog? what is tv?
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# [21:02] <taras> Ms2ger: they did in florida
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> jhammel|lunch, analog : tv :: manual : car
# [21:03] <Ms2ger> (For mcote)
# [21:03] <froydnj> analog tells you how to use the tv?
# [21:03] <@bz> jhammel|lunch: ;)
# [21:03] <Ms2ger> froydnj, should be around in #ateam more
# [21:04] <@smaug> bz: so should we change IsSitePermAllow to take nsIPrincipal and not url
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# [21:05] <@smaug> it is way too easy to misuse the API which takes url
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# [21:08] <Ms2ger> For pyxpcom
# [21:09] <@khuey> for sanity
# [21:09] <ted> heh
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# [21:09] <ted> bsmedberg: we got a little bit of snow, but nothing stuck
# [21:09] <gcp> taras: hmmm, too much bugmail
# [21:10] <@smaug> NeilAway: if we allow moving iframes without reloading the page
# [21:10] <taras> gcp: lets discuss this later, i gotta do lunch
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# [21:10] <@smaug> NeilAway: in such case cycles may happen
# [21:10] * NeilAway fails to see how
# [21:10] <@smaug> NeilAway: if we can avoid adding docshells to CC, that is good
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# [21:22] <skammer> I'd like to apply for GSOC12, but I can't find the right email to send my application form
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# [21:22] <Ms2ger> jlebar--
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# [21:23] <skammer> I guess I should use dev-planning one
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# [21:23] <zzzzz> snow ? Didn't even get enough to get the shovel's out of the shed this yr
# [21:24] <catlee> bwinton: also, have you seen http://oduinn.com/blog/2012/04/03/infrastructure-load-for-march-2012/
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# [21:25] <catlee> bwinton: or e.g. https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/reports/pushes?int_size=86400&endtime=1333166400&starttime=1330578000
# [21:25] <bwinton> catlee: Nah. Are those also available for comm-central?
# [21:26] <@ehsan> jhford-work: pong
# [21:26] <bwinton> (Also, I'm getting a cert error on that second one.)
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# [21:27] <catlee> bwinton: accept the cert! it's good!
# [21:28] <catlee> or install https://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaRootCertificate
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# [21:29] <bwinton> catlee: I totally trust you! Not! ;)
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# [21:38] <gcp> taras: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736348
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# [22:04] <jhford-work> ehsan: did you see my comment regarding the profiling branch?
# [22:05] <jhford-work> ahh, you did
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# [22:06] <dholbert> jaws++ for fixing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713487
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# [22:08] <jaws> dholbert: thanks!
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# [22:11] <taras> gcp: so the question remains
# [22:11] <taras> do we really need to make extremely long queries?
# [22:11] <taras> dividing them in half or whatever doesn't really clean it up
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# [22:13] <gcp> I have no idea why it works like that.
# [22:13] <gcp> I just remembered the "too many SQL variables" thing
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# [22:13] <gcp> which sounded likely to correlate to your complaint
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# [22:16] <@ehsan> jhford-work: yeah replied
# [22:17] <taras> gcp: k, thanks
# [22:17] <gcp> taras: maybe its an easy way to avoid having to deal with transactions
# [22:18] <gcp> taras: everything in 1 statement is a single transaction, after all
# [22:18] <taras> seems weak
# [22:19] <gcp> its inside the contentprovider, so yeah
# [22:20] <gcp> now, to the gist of the matter: why do you care? :P
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# [22:21] <gcp> because slowSQL gets 64k output in about:telemetry? :P
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# [22:23] <gcp> do things like jemalloc work on sparc?
# [22:23] <stuart> yeah
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# [22:25] <gcp> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/storage/src/mozStorageService.cpp#611
# [22:25] <gcp> I'd like to turn that MOZ_MEMORY into SPARC then :)
# [22:25] <ddahl> in adding a new interface to nsLayoutModule, I am getting an error while linking: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1564487 - anyone know what I have left out, etc?
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# [23:12] <Bas> Ms2ger: I was, but I figured it out, thanks though!
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# [23:12] <Ms2ger> Excellent
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# [23:14] <Bas> Does anyone know of anything that might cause a string of failures in Android XUL opt tests on try?
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# [23:14] <Bas> Because the log says 'No errors or warnings found', but tbpl seems to believe differently.
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# [23:17] <Ms2ger> Link?
# [23:18] <philor> Bas: bad parentage, pushing from inbound?
# [23:18] <Bas> philor: Oh? I shouldn't push from inbound? bah, I don't even have a current m-c tree :)
# [23:18] <philor> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2cd7a0d63346 or above to get clear
# [23:19] <philor> pushing from inbound is fine, you just have to not have a busted parent
# [23:20] <Bas> philor: Doh, I was searchin on m-c for existing bustage.
# [23:20] <Bas> Thanks!
# [23:20] <Bas> Ms2ger: Philor got it right! :)
# [23:20] <ddahl> Ms2ger: any idea what I am forgetting to do here: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1564487
# [23:21] <Ms2ger> No
# [23:21] <Ms2ger> khuey, ^
# [23:21] <ddahl> Ms2ger: ok
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# [23:22] <ddahl> I am making the mistake of trying to understand nsLayoutModule and the module making macros
# [23:22] <Mossop> That is foolish
# [23:22] * NeilAway doesn't know offhand, but if you were using gold you would get the error more quickly ;-)
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# [23:22] <ddahl> Mossop: indeed
# [23:22] <gavin> just copy something that works
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# [23:22] <ddahl> gavin: i did. :(
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# [23:22] <gavin> copy it better!
# [23:23] <NeilAway> gavin++
# [23:23] <@khuey> ddahl: do you have a macro laying around in nsStaticXULComponents somewhere?
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# [23:23] <ddahl> khuey: no
# [23:23] <@khuey> you sure?
# [23:23] <ddahl> i don't think I edited that file
# [23:23] <ddahl> lemme see
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# [23:24] <ddahl> khuey: you are amazing
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# [23:24] <Ms2ger> Ah, makefile.win
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# [23:26] <NeilAway> ddahl: ah, you moved to to nsLayoutModule without removing it from that list?
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# [23:26] <jdm> interesting, I'm apparently stuck on the april 8th nightly
# [23:26] <jdm> the updater doesn't run from the about box
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# [23:26] <jdm> the about box just wasn't telling me
# [23:26] <ddahl> NeilAway: I had my own module which was dumb, then forgot to police each file in the patch for gunk
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# [23:40] <jaws> has anyone else been seeing weird video decoding issues with flash video today? http://screencast.com/t/YbIlWQgYq
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# [23:40] <RyanVM> Yoric: ping
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# [23:49] <taras> jaws: accelerated flash does that sometimes
# [23:49] <taras> turning off flash acceleration helps
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# [23:49] <taras> doesn't seem to be related to firefox here
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# [23:49] <jaws> it doesn't but it does unfortunately
# [23:49] <jaws> i guess we just need to replace Flash with native support even sooner :)
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# [23:52] <@khuey> we're really using bugs to collect stuff for security reviews now?
# [23:52] <jaws> taras: thanks, turning of acceleration in flash fixed it
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# [23:53] <jaws> khuey: yeah, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Reviews/Review_Request_Form
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# [23:57] <Yoric> RyanVM: pong
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# [23:58] <RyanVM> Yoric: sorry about the confusion this morning
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# [23:58] <RyanVM> checking in your patches now
# [23:58] <Yoric> RyanVM: sorry about the bogus patches.
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# [23:58] <RyanVM> looks like your CTypes.cpp changes made it into both patches, though
# [23:58] <RyanVM> I'm taking care of that :P
# [23:58] <Yoric> RyanVM: ...
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# [23:59] * Yoric should make sure that he gets at least 4 hours of sleep before marking something as checkin-needed.
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# [23:59] <Yoric> I have to leave for a few minutes.
# [23:59] <Yoric> I'll be back.
# [23:59] <RyanVM> Yoric: hah, it's cool
# [23:59] <yvan> khuey: to file a security review, yes, and to track action items that resutl from secreviews.
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