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# Session Start: Thu Apr 12 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:03] <Yoric> RyanVM: So, what's the latest issue with my patches?
# [00:03] <RyanVM> Yoric: nothing
# [00:03] <RyanVM> just pushed them
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# [00:03] <RyanVM> you had the same changes to CTypes.cpp in both the testsuite patch and the updated bustage fix patch in the other bug
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# [00:03] <RyanVM> made for some fun failed hunks :P
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# [00:04] <RyanVM> but obvious at least :)
# [00:04] <Yoric> That is weird.
# [00:04] <Yoric> I do not see these changes on my local repo.
# [00:04] * Yoric will check that he uploaded the correct patches.
# [00:04] <RyanVM> hopefully since I just pushed them
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# [00:06] <Yoric> Patches seem correct.
# [00:07] <Yoric> Can you point me to the patches that fail?
# [00:07] <RyanVM> Yoric: I think the CTypes.cpp change was from the other 720811 patch? The testsuite patch didn't change things in that file.
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# [00:07] <RyanVM> When I applied the 742384 patch, it had 4 failed CTypes.cpp hunks
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# [00:08] <RyanVM> when I looked at the .rej file, they were changes that had already been made to it
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# [00:11] <Yoric> Bug 720811?
# [00:11] <Yoric> I have nothing to do with that one.
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# [00:12] <Yoric> Are you sure that you haven't just landed a second time something that had not been reverted?
# [00:12] <RyanVM> 720771
# [00:12] <RyanVM> sorry
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# [00:13] <RyanVM> all I did was re-land the testsuite patch from 720771 (which applied cleanly) and the updated patch for bug 742384, which had hunks that failed
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# [00:14] <Yoric> Do you have the .rej, by any chance?
# [00:14] <RyanVM> not anymore
# [00:14] <RyanVM> and now the Scoped.h patch is burning the tree
# [00:14] <RyanVM> *sigh*
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# [00:14] <Yoric> It is?
# [00:14] <RyanVM> see inbound
# [00:14] <Yoric> I have the feeling that I have been playing catch up with people updating ril faster than I could produce patches.
# [00:15] <Yoric> (or at least faster than I could test them)
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# [00:15] <RyanVM> take a look at the bustage
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# [00:15] <RyanVM> if there's a quick fix, I can push
# [00:15] <RyanVM> otherwise, I'll back out
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# [00:16] <RyanVM> wait
# [00:16] <RyanVM> "iif"
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# [00:16] <Yoric> *sigh8
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# [00:16] <Yoric> *sigh*
# [00:16] <Yoric> Please accept my apologies.
# [00:16] <Yoric> I feel stupid.
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# [00:16] <RyanVM> that's my bad, actually
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# [00:16] <RyanVM> i had to un-bitrot
# [00:17] <RyanVM> and copy/paste errored
# [00:17] <Yoric> ok
# [00:17] <Yoric> Because TryServer seemed to believe that my patch worked :)
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# [00:19] <RyanVM> Yoric: I've g2g now. I think all's well.
# [00:19] <Yoric> ok
# [00:19] <Yoric> Past midnight here, anyway.
# [00:19] <Yoric> I'll wrap up what I was doing.
# [00:19] <RyanVM> have a sheriff back out if needed
# [00:19] <RyanVM> ttyl
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# [00:28] <Yoric> rnewman: ping
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# [00:33] <rnewman> Yoric: what's up?
# [00:34] <Yoric> I have a fear of bustage for a patch currently on inbound.
# [00:34] <rnewman> what does it do? :D
# [00:34] <rnewman> link?
# [00:34] <Yoric> I have to log off, but I wanted to give a few details to a sheriff just in case.
# [00:34] <Yoric> Bustage confirmed :/
# [00:34] <Yoric> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4058f038e97f and parent
# [00:35] <rnewman> do you have time to prepare a backout patch, or do you need someone else to do it?
# [00:36] <Yoric> Could you please back out 4058f038e97f and 0e03eb171e08?
# [00:36] <rnewman> sure
# [00:36] <Yoric> I am afraid that I do not know how to prepare a backout patch, and half past midnight is not the right time to learn how to do it :/
# [00:36] <rnewman> understood
# [00:37] <Yoric> And I need to resolve my race condition with the other person(s) who are modifying the same files concurrently, otherwise I'll never be able to land my patch :/
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# [00:38] <Yoric> (or maybe just get more sleep)
# [00:38] <Yoric> I'll try and work on that last bit.
# [00:38] <Yoric> rnewman: Thank you very much.
# [00:38] <Yoric> And sorry for the annoyance.
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# [00:40] <rnewman> no problem
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# [00:41] <gps> espindola: gfx/layers/opengl/LayerManagerOGL.cpp:265:7: error: non-constant-expression cannot be narrowed from type 'int' to 'GLenum' (aka 'unsigned int') in initializer list [-Wc++11-narrowing] (on Clang SVN from a few days ago)
# [00:41] <rnewman> backed out.
# [00:42] <espindola> gps: probably a problem in the code
# [00:42] <espindola> you probably need an explicit cast
# [00:42] <espindola> let me take a loot
# [00:42] <espindola> k
# [00:42] <mattwoodrow> gps espindola: bug 744543
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# [00:44] <gps> mattwoodrow: thanks!
# [00:45] <espindola> thanks
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# [00:46] <espindola> I do wonder where the 'int' was coming from.
# [00:46] <gps> looks like more C++11 voodoo [-Wc++11-narrowing]
# [00:47] <espindola> I mean, why is the expression an int and not an unsigned int
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# [00:51] <gavin> fabrice: you asked a question re: browserDOMWindow.openURI in #fx-team yesterday. which bug was it related to, ooc?
# [00:52] <fabrice> gavin: I'm implementing web intents
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# [00:54] <gavin> fabrice: in a bug? :)
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# [00:55] <fabrice> gavin: that will be in bug 715814, I should post a wip this week
# [00:56] <fabrice> I see you're volunteering to review the Desktop UX ;)
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# [00:57] <gavin> sure
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# [01:03] <jviereck> roc: hi. I'm currently just brainstorming about a sync proposal should be part of the proposal to WHATAG should be
# [01:03] <jviereck> and it seems to get very difficult :(
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# [01:03] <jviereck> should we therefore propose the sync one only, right?
# [01:04] <jduell> Um, I seem to have achived some new (to me) feat with hg.
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# [01:05] <jduell> Had a patch in my queue, ran "hg qfin -a && hg push", and I seem to have wound up landing an empty patch into m-c, and the changes in my patch now show up as new mods in my tree, not belonging to any patch
# [01:05] <jduell> in my queue
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# [01:05] <jduell> I.e. it seems as though maybe "hg qfin -a" returned OK before it was really done, and then hg qpush pushed nothingness...
# [01:06] <Callek> jduell: |hg rm * && hg commit -m "Bug 123 - Burn Baby Burn, r=firebot,a=noone for a CLOSED TREE DONTBUILD" && hg push -f| should fix you right up
# [01:06] <jduell> Question: should I backout an empty patch, or would the backout itself be more noise?
# [01:06] <Callek> jduell: also, I disavow all knowledge of telling you that
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# [01:07] <Callek> jduell: in reality though, it actually sounds like you never qref'd, so I would |hg qnew -f foo| |hg qref -e| (edit summary), |hg out -v| (verify things are right) |hg qfinish -a| |hg out -v| (verify things are right again) | hg push|
# [01:07] <Callek> jduell: might want to throw in an hg status before the qfin as well actually, incase you need to add/remove files
# [01:08] <jduell> Callek: I qref'd. I had just qfolded three existing patches into one. Quite sure this wasn't all un-qreffed
# [01:08] <jduell> But yeah, I guess I'll commit it again (after I make sure the patch hg left me is 100% correct).
# [01:09] <jduell> I didn't know hg allowed you to check in empty commits.
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# [01:10] <Callek> jduell: technically it doesn't, but MQ allows you to cheat
# [01:11] <Callek> jduell: basically the client prevents you from doing so -- the storage backend/structure of hg allows it theoretically.
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# [01:12] <jtcranmer> I hg diff/hg view before pushing
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# [01:13] <jtcranmer> although on m-* stuff, it's more like hg view -l 10
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# [01:13] <jduell> Callek: heh--I think I know what I did. "hg qref old_name new_name"
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# [01:14] <jduell> instead of "hg qren"
# [01:14] <@roc> jviereck: I'm not sure what you mean by "sync".
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# [01:14] <@roc> by "async" you mean the current thing you have?
# [01:14] <Callek> jduell: ahh yea that would do it
# [01:14] <jduell> hg gladly looked at old_new_name as a file pattern and dumped my patch's contents
# [01:14] <@roc> that's what you should propose
# [01:14] <@roc> I don't think a sync one would work
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# [01:15] <jviereck> roc: the sync one is the one I have implemented yet. So you think we have to implement the complete async one without giving a sync version at all?
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# [01:18] <@roc> you're confusing me
# [01:18] <@roc> did you miss a "not" there?
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# [01:51] <rniwa_> ehsan: ping
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# [01:53] <@ehsan> rniwa: pong, but I was about to leave for the day :/
# [01:53] <@ehsan> rniwa: can you please email me?
# [01:53] <rniwa> ehsan: sure. it's a question about reftets
# [01:53] <rniwa> reftests*
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# [01:53] <@ehsan> rniwa: please email me, and I'll read it on my phone :)
# [01:54] <rniwa> ehsan: will email you thanks.
# [01:54] <@ehsan> (sorry about that!)
# [01:54] <rniwa> ehsan: np
# [01:54] <rniwa> ehsan: @mozilla or @gmail?
# [01:54] <@ehsan> rniwa: they both end up in the same mailbox :)
# [01:54] <rniwa> ehsan: ah ok
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# [01:59] <jviereck> dholbert: hi. I'm stuck into a very deep RTL thing and I have an expert sitting next to me on this
# [01:59] <jviereck> therefore I will work the rest of the day on this and won't make it upstairs again I think
# [01:59] <dholbert> jviereck, ah, gotcha. jgilbert is here now, if you need him :)
# [01:59] <jviereck> jgilbert: you're around tomorrow as well?
# [01:59] <jgilbert> jviereck: yes
# [01:59] <jviereck> and how long do you plan to stay? Can I come to you later?
# [02:00] <jviereck> dholbert: aweseom :)
# [02:00] <jgilbert> jviereck: I'll be here until at least 9
# [02:00] <dholbert> jviereck, want me to move your laptop or anything?
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# [02:00] <dholbert> jviereck, I could shift it onto my desk, so it's not in no-man's-land
# [02:00] <rniwa> fantasai: yt?
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# [02:02] <jviereck> dholbert: is something happening to him the way it is right now?
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# [02:02] <jviereck> I put a paper "don't touch it" there with my name
# [02:02] <dholbert> jviereck, ah cool -- yeah, it's probably fine where it is
# [02:02] <jviereck> :)
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# [02:02] <dholbert> especially given that there's a note
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# [02:02] <jviereck> dholbert: irc-high-five
# [02:02] <dholbert> *slap*
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# [02:04] <bear-afk> anyone know what timezone :jtd (john daggett) is in? I need to coordinate his loaner test host
# [02:05] <@khuey> I think he's in Japan
# [02:05] <bear-afk> k, thanks khuey
# [02:05] <dholbert> bear-afk, yeah, he's in japan. his IRC nick is nattokirai
# [02:05] <dholbert> or something like that
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# [02:06] <jviereck> roc: sorry. My patch implements a sync version of the mozPrintCallback. Is the sync version what I should propose to the WHATAG for now and do proposal for an async version later? Or propose a async version only and drop the sync work I've done so far.
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# [02:07] <bear-afk> ah, just starting the day - I may catch him yet
# [02:07] <@roc> what do you mean by sync?
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# [02:08] <@roc> I'm not really sure what you mean by "sync" and "async", but I think the way you've done it (from what you've said so far) is the right way, and you should propose that
# [02:10] <jviereck> roc: the idea I have is that the drawing doesn't have to be computed once the callback function has returned
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# [02:10] <@roc> is there a problem with your current setup? I don't see any problem
# [02:11] <jviereck> roc: it would be an addition to what is there right now
# [02:11] <jviereck> e.g. a ctx.done() to tell the context has finished
# [02:11] <@roc> what's the need for that?
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# [02:11] <@roc> that sounds like it makes things more complicated
# [02:12] <jviereck> yes :/
# [02:12] <@roc> if there is no major need for it, don't do it
# [02:13] <jviereck> roc: if we don't have it, we have to get the data to render all the pages in PDFJS before the printing starts. This is even true, if the user only selects to print one of the pages out of 1000
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# [02:13] <@roc> are we talking about things like image loads?
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# [02:14] <@roc> what exactly do you mean by "get the data"?
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# [02:15] <jviereck> roc: get the data = process all the pages, get all the drawing commands, load all images in the PDF, load all the fonts in the PDF
# [02:15] <jviereck> that won't scale for large documents
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# [02:18] <jviereck> roc: if that's easier we can talk about it on the phone. I'm really jetlagged as I'm currently in MV and I'm sorry if I can't make really precise statements
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# [02:22] <@roc> it's OK
# [02:22] <@roc> when you say "load", is the data already loaded locally into some array/Blob, or do you actually have to fetch it over the network?
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# [02:26] <jviereck> roc: we are working on adding a new feature that will make us require to fetch only a small subset of the PDF using XHR range request. If that's implemented, we have to make additional network requests. However, we can implement something like: when you're printing, we are fetching the entire document before entering the printing process. Then, no more network requests are required.
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# [02:27] <jviereck> roc: wait a second
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# [02:28] <@roc> if you want to just print page 1 out of 1000, I guess it would be nice to be able to do that without loading the entire document
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# [02:29] <@roc> so I believe that your async suggestion is a good one
# [02:29] <@roc> in which case we probably should just have the async API
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# [02:34] <rnewman> ;)
# [02:35] <jviereck> roc: just brainstormed :)
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# [02:35] <jviereck> roc: if I got that right, setting a font-face using a data:url makes the font get loaded sync now
# [02:35] <jviereck> see bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=512566
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# [02:37] <@roc> yes
# [02:37] <jviereck> roc: IF we can get the same behavior for data:url images, we *can* do all the thigns we need in PDF.JS using a "sync" implementation like it is in my patch right now :)
# [02:37] <jviereck> do you think we can do that?
# [02:38] <jviereck> or some other way to tell the browser to load the data:url sync
# [02:39] <@khuey> wow
# [02:39] <@khuey> it costs $8 to take BART from downtown SF to the airport
# [02:39] <@khuey> thats nuts
# [02:39] <dholbert> khuey, still, a taxi's like $30+, right?
# [02:39] <@khuey> dholbert: yeah
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# [02:40] <@roc> jviereck: what I just said: if you want to print 1 out of 1000 pages, you want to be able to do the download during the callback
# [02:40] <kbrosnan> 3 CAD from yyz to mozto
# [02:40] <@roc> I gotta go
# [02:41] <Mark_Capella> waldo: ++
# [02:41] <biesi> khuey, the airport has a $3-4 surcharge, iirc
# [02:41] <hub> khuey: it takes $80+ for the cab to MTV from SFO
# [02:42] <kbrosnan> don't we have a cab service?
# [02:42] <hub> 8$ something is with the surcharge what you pay from YVR to downtown
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# [02:42] <KWierso> khuey: I was mislead by a hotel in mountain view a few months ago into thinking they had a free shuttle service to SFO. What they actually had was a "we'll call a cab for you to take to SFO" service, which cost me $80ish
# [02:42] <@khuey> biesi: yeah, I know it has a ridiculous surcharge
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# [02:42] <@khuey> that's what I'm complaining about ;-)
# [02:43] <@khuey> KWierso: heh
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# [02:43] <hub> kbrosnan: 3CAD, that's with the bus which is not meant to transport people with suitcases, and then a long ride on the subway from Kipling
# [02:44] <hub> BTW in France, last time, Paris to CDG was 8EUR-ish. It has probably reached 10 by now
# [02:44] <kbrosnan> hub: i've done it with a suitcase and not knowing the area
# [02:44] <kbrosnan> worked okish
# [02:44] <hub> kbrosnan: me too, remain hellish
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# [02:44] <hub> kbrosnan: the TTC unwillingness to put a decently equiped bus for that
# [02:45] <hub> kbrosnan: like the number of years it took for Montreal STM to put a direct bus from "downtown"
# [02:45] <hub> instead of the vomit comet + connection
# [02:45] <@khuey> hub: the bus from CDG to downtown is 10 euros
# [02:45] <KWierso> khuey: and then I got stuck in minneapolis overnight because of a latewinter blizzard
# [02:45] <hub> khuey: RER I was talking
# [02:45] <hub> khuey: as I hate buses in general
# [02:45] <KWierso> a+ trip, would travel again
# [02:45] <hub> (not as much as cabbies)
# [02:45] <@khuey> hub: ah
# [02:45] <@khuey> I didn't try the RER
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# [02:46] <hub> khuey: when I lived on the southern portion of that line...
# [02:46] <@khuey> KWierso: this is why you always pick your connecting airports in the South
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# [02:46] <hub> them after that I lived in Lille, and CDG was still the airport, with the 45EUR ride on the TGV
# [02:46] <hub> still the same time though
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# [02:46] <KWierso> khuey: but the connecting airports in the south don't have direct-to-20-miles-from-your-house service with free parking
# [02:47] <@khuey> where do you live that has an airport with free parking?
# [02:47] <hub> "free parking"? I thought this only existed for Monopoly
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# [02:47] <hub> like rich going to jail
# [02:47] <hub> even Ottawa does not have that kind of feature
# [02:48] <KWierso> khuey: essentially the middle of a corn field, in iowa
# [02:48] <RyanVM> rnewman: ping
# [02:48] <KWierso> 20 miles from home is a regional airport that has a morning and evening flight to MSP
# [02:48] <KWierso> way more convenient than having to drove down to des moines or omaha to catch a flight through phoenix or something
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# [02:51] <rnewman> RyanVM: hey, what's up?
# [02:51] <RyanVM> rnewman: Hey, I'm a bit confused. It looks like you only backed out the one changeset, but you commented in every bug?
# [02:52] <rnewman> the backed-out changeset was a merge commit
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# [02:52] <rnewman> as far as I read, anyway
# [02:52] <RyanVM> so is hg just acting funny?
# [02:52] <rnewman> I'd be very happy to be wrong!
# [02:52] <RyanVM> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/12e42fb8e321
# [02:52] <RyanVM> only looks like one changeset was backed out
# [02:52] <jviereck> roc: sorry for the delay. Had some conversations and we agreed that downloading the entire PDF before beeing able to print it is good enough for now
# [02:52] <rnewman> note that nsZipArchive is mentioned in the touched file list
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# [02:53] <rnewman> which implies that it's more than just one commit
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# [02:53] <jviereck> roc: therefore, the "sync" mozPrintCallback like it's in place right now is enough
# [02:53] <rnewman> I did commit it as a single backout commit, yes
# [02:54] <RyanVM> rnewman: but for example, I don't see the files from bug 633602 as being touched
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# [02:54] <rnewman> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?changeset=0e03eb171e08
# [02:54] <jviereck> roc: therefore I would like to talk only of an "sync" version of the API on the WHATWG and get that going. Simpel(est) thing first.
# [02:55] <rnewman> hmm
# [02:55] <rnewman> perhaps you're right!
# [02:55] <rnewman> good spot
# [02:55] <rnewman> *sigh*
# [02:55] <RyanVM> rnewman: that or hg is just acting strange
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# [02:55] <rnewman> possibly both :/
# [02:55] <dholbert> I'm not sure what the behavior of backing out a merge commit would be, actually
# [02:55] <RyanVM> rnewman: I'm on the wrong computer to check a local tree to see what's there
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# [02:55] <dholbert> just backing that one changeset out, I'd imagine it'd leave you with 2 heads, un-merged
# [02:56] <dholbert> (but hg.mozilla.org shouldn't allow that (?) )
# [02:56] <rnewman> dholbert: I did a 'manual' backout via patch
# [02:56] <dholbert> rnewman, oh -- like "hg export [mergecsetid] | patch -p1 -R" or something?
# [02:56] <rnewman> yeah, pretty much
# [02:56] <dholbert> yeah, that's definitely not what you want
# [02:56] <rnewman> I've found it more reliable than hg, tbh :D
# [02:56] <dholbert> not for merges, though :)
# [02:57] <rnewman> but this doesn't seem to be a merge, on reflection: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0e03eb171e08
# [02:57] <RyanVM> i would have just done hg backout -r <changesetid> as part of an mq patch
# [02:57] <rnewman> backed out 4058f038e97f and 0e03eb171e08
# [02:57] <RyanVM> and done it one by one
# [02:57] <RyanVM> with a qref in between
# [02:57] <rnewman> so I think I just looked at tbpl and misread
# [02:57] <RyanVM> well, whatever you backed out fixed it! :P
# [02:57] <rnewman> heh :D
# [02:58] <RyanVM> i just need to figure out what that actually was....
# [02:58] <rnewman> yeah, so now I can go back through those bugs and un-mark them
# [02:58] <rnewman> precisely those two revisions, RyanVM
# [02:58] <rnewman> 4058f038e97f and 0e03eb171e08
# [02:58] <rnewman> I will correct bugzilla
# [02:58] <RyanVM> so basically just 728171
# [02:59] <RyanVM> that's easy :)
# [02:59] <RyanVM> (BTW, I always get nervous when I have to un-bitrot before landing)
# [02:59] <RyanVM> even in seemingly trivial cases
# [02:59] <rnewman> yeah!
# [03:00] <dholbert> ( rnewman, btw, one other reason to strongly prefer hg commands over 'patch' commands is that 'patch' doesn't handle moves/renames/copies correctly in hg csets)
# [03:01] <dholbert> (and binary files, too. though I suppose it doesn't matter if you know that the csets/patches in question don't involve any of those)
# [03:01] <rnewman> yup
# [03:01] <rnewman> I would ordinarily use mak's command set, but I couldn't find them in $PATH today!
# [03:02] <dholbert> heh
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# [03:04] <mbrubeck> I think mccr8's push is leaking on inbound...
# [03:04] <mccr8> mbrubeck: yeah, looks like... I'm not sure how that happened.
# [03:04] <njn> philor: the debug builds on TBPL use --enable-trace-malloc. It'd be nice if they were labelled in a way that made this obvious; several times now I've scratched my head why I was getting different results locally until I realized/remembered this fact
# [03:04] <mbrubeck> mccr8: I need to run to dinner -- can you handle the back out?
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# [03:04] <philor> mbrubeck / mccr8 : but how is it also leaking on aurora?
# [03:05] <mccr8> magic!
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# [03:05] <mbrubeck> I got a weird leak on my Try push too - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e6c1a072528d
# [03:05] <mccr8> I did a try run against a fairly recent tip and it didn't leak: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b643e5d1a865
# [03:05] <mbrubeck> which has m-c as its parent
# [03:05] <mccr8> plus my patch just removes code that is never called.
# [03:05] <mccr8> so maybe infrastructure is failing in some weird way...
# [03:05] <philor> I think it's what I starred some of it as, which is someone's network dependency causing bug 707889
# [03:05] <mbrubeck> hmm, looks the same
# [03:06] <philor> alas, much as I'd like to star another hundred of them, I have to go work for an hour
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# [03:06] <mccr8> philor: oh okay, thanks.
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# [03:52] <gps> who would I ask to merge m-c to inbound?
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# [03:56] <@khuey> anyone with l3 access
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# [03:57] <gavin> just the one way?
# [03:57] <gps> well, I could do that then
# [03:57] <gps> yes, just the one way
# [03:58] <gavin> go for it, no downsides!
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# [03:59] <@khuey> well, you could botch the merge
# [03:59] <@khuey> but yeah, that's pretty safe
# [03:59] <gavin> I just did it
# [03:59] <gavin> sonofbitch
# [04:00] <gavin> you beat me
# [04:00] <@bz_away> mmmmmerges
# [04:00] <@bz_away> tricksy little mergeses
# [04:01] <@bz_away> with their grubby little parentses
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# [04:01] <@bz_away> gavin: thanks for the review, btw
# [04:01] <@bz_away> gavin: especially for catching the ordering snafu
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# [04:01] <gavin> np
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# [04:06] <@bz> khuey: ;)
# [04:06] <jhford> are purple buffers related to plugins/flash?
# [04:06] <@bz> jhford: peripherally at best, I'd think. Why?
# [04:07] <jhford> i've been having lots of issues with my nightly using 100% cpu and gobs of memory
# [04:07] <@bz> hmm
# [04:07] <@khuey> that sounds familiar
# [04:07] <@bz> purple buffer is where the cycle collector stores the set of things it might be able to collect
# [04:07] <@bz> basically
# [04:07] <jhford> well, this is memory related as well
# [04:08] <@bz> flash, memory related? Sounds plausible. ;)
# [04:08] <jhford> bz: does it have a disctinct entry in about:memory?
# [04:09] <@khuey> it has a distinct entry in your os's process manager
# [04:09] <@bz> jhford: generally flash should be in the plugin-container process
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# [04:09] <jhford> i mean the purple buffer
# [04:09] <@bz> jhford: no, it does not
# [04:09] <jhford> the issue isn't with flash, at least inside of flash
# [04:09] <@bz> jhford: though we could try adding one
# [04:09] <jhford> the issue happens *after* i close flash
# [04:09] <jhford> or maybe while it's still there
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# [04:10] <jhford> my issues start after flash has started and aren't related to flash still running
# [04:10] <@khuey> the purple buffer is transitory
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# [04:10] <jhford> aha, "├────738.15 MB (41.12%) ── heap-unclassified"
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# [04:10] <@khuey> do you have firebug?
# [04:10] <jhford> ui.... slow....
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# [04:10] <@khuey> firebug likes to cause lots of heap-unclassified
# [04:10] <jhford> i don't think i have it
# [04:11] <jhford> either way, i don't ever use firebug
# [04:12] <jhford> khuey: nope, no firebug
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# [04:12] <jhford> i have google's ad opt out cookie, mass password, pdf.js, spdy indicator, spool and test pilot
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# [04:14] <jhford> i'd really like to know what is triggering this to happen
# [04:14] <jhford> it's really frustrating
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# [04:19] <ddahl> THAT WAS A CLASSIC
# [04:19] <ddahl> http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/queue
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# [04:25] <@dolske> dholbert: ping?
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# [04:33] <hub> Gah, pulling, rebasing changes, building. When done, 14 more changesets added, to pull.
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# [04:36] <philor> so far, roughly 0% passing
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# [04:44] <jesup> Hmmm. Anyone feel they're up to a C++ trivia question/problem?
# [04:44] <jesup> given: class foo { .... private: static foo* self; } and foo* foo::self = NULL;
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# [04:45] <jesup> does foo::foo() { assert(self == NULL); .... } assert or not?
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# [04:47] <@dolske> I'm about 50% sure I know the answer! ;)
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# [04:48] <jesup> jhford: top suspects would be mass password, maybe spool - just guessing - and also what does "close flash" mean?
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# [04:51] <@dolske> jhford: there's a bug or two filed about pdf.js causing lots of heap-unclassified.
# [04:51] <jhford> jesup: close all tabs that have flash content
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# [04:51] <jhford> dolske: cool, i'll keep note whether I hit this when running pdf.js
# [04:51] <jesup> dolske: yeah, but whats the spec say?
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# [04:56] <timA> jesup: why would self not be NULL in the example you gave earlier?
# [04:56] <jesup> timA: good question. Wish I knew the answer. (It asserts, and _self has 0x2 in it)
# [04:57] <mattwoodrow> jesup: What is creating the foo object?
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# [04:58] <jesup> some code calling "new foo()"
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# [04:59] <mattwoodrow> oh, well there goes my idea
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# [05:00] <cpeterson> is new foo() being called from some static initializer? self is static, so its default value should be 0 (even without = NULL).
# [05:00] <jesup> yeah
# [05:00] <jesup> as in yeah, it should be NULL
# [05:01] <jesup> cpeterson: deep in some code invoked from a script. Not a static initializer
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# [05:02] <jesup> And this is the first time the code has run (after the assert() it sets self=this)
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# [05:05] <cpeterson> To check if self=NULL static initializer is being , you could try casting a magic number like foo:self = (foo*) 0x1234. You would then hope that the assert dies self==0x1234, not 0x2. :)
# [05:05] <jesup> just because I'm paranoid I changed "foo* self = NULL;" to "foo* ccself = NULL;"; no change
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# [05:10] <jesup> cpeterson: 0x1234. And I think I know what's going on, maybe. just maybe.
# [05:10] <cpeterson> strange
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# [05:14] <jesup> But if I set it to NULL (or (foo*) NULL), it's 0x2. Totally weird
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# [06:08] <jlebar|away> Heh, href="http://openbadges.org%20"
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# [06:08] <glob> so close
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# [06:12] <jviereck> can we use code that gets relicense to MPL only for Mozilla and is GPL otherwise?
# [06:12] <jaws> :)
# [06:13] <heycam> thunderbird says "This message may be a scam" for that mail, too
# [06:13] <biesi> jviereck, seems doubtful. which code is that anyway?
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# [06:14] <jviereck> there is a jbig2 C library that is GPL licensed. I pinged the author and he seemed to be interessted to relicense it. From reading the mail, it seems like he wants to do that for mozilla only
# [06:14] <jlebar|away> Also, the mouseover range for "DML Badge Competition" does not include "DML". I guess I should file a bug.
# [06:14] <jviereck> biesi: it's for the use inside of PDF.JS
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# [06:15] <biesi> jviereck, I think you should ask gerv
# [06:16] <heycam> jlebar|away, I think some other elements on the page are partially in front of the link there. maybe the "what are open badges?" headers.
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# [06:17] <jlebar|away> heycam, So it would appear!
# [06:17] <jlebar|away> heycam, You don't want to be cc'ed on this bug, do you?
# [06:17] <heycam> jlebar|away, nah 's ok
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# [06:48] <Cork> do we host nightly houerlies anywhere anymore?
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# [06:49] <KWierso> Cork: aren't they in here somewhere? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/
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# [06:50] <Cork> so they are!
# [06:50] <Cork> perfect, thx
# [06:50] <KWierso> yep
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# [07:40] <philor> that sort of sucks
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# [07:41] <philor> we had an explosion of probably network related hangs in tp5, with useless stacks
# [07:41] <philor> then we got one that actually had symbols, which is more useless since it points off into the weeds, but I can't just star it as a useless-stack bug
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# [07:51] <KWierso> philor: I could star it for you however you want, then you could just blame me being an idiot if anyone complains :)
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# [07:52] <Callek> KWierso++
# [07:53] <Callek> KWierso: downside is, you told the world aleady
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# [07:57] <KWierso> Callek: but no one in #developers would nark on me, right?
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# [08:01] <philor> nope, nobody here wants anything other than to have the trains run on time
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# [08:16] <glob> happy bmo push day! https://bugzil.la/738329,739153,743735,744018,738152,744022,744305,743643,744490
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# [08:17] <darktrojan> yay
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# [08:29] <Callek> philor: ooo btw, if you're interested I can forward you my "Tegra oranges/infra where we stand -- whats still todo" summary e-mail I put together, not sure if you are interested in the plan as much as the results though
# [08:30] <@smaug> who broke my build: /home/smaug/mozilla/hg/mozilla/gfx/layers/opengl/LayerManagerOGL.cpp:265:7: error: non-constant-expression cannot be narrowed from type 'int' to 'GLenum' (aka 'unsigned int') in initializer list
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# [08:31] <Callek> smaug: bjacob in either - Bug 741730 or
# [08:31] <Callek> Bug 686735
# [08:33] <@smaug> it is the latter one
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# [08:34] <Callek> glad I could help
# [08:35] <@smaug> where is GLenum defined...
# [08:35] <@smaug> Bas: you might know
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# [08:45] * @smaug will push a fix
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# [08:55] <@smaug> review for http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1565318 ?
# [08:55] <@smaug> roc: ?
# [08:55] <@smaug> that is trivial build fix
# [08:56] <Callek> smaug: I'm not a reviewer, but I'll give you r+ if you want to take it
# [08:56] <Callek> since its a bustage fix
# [08:56] <@smaug> r=Callek then :)
# [08:56] <Callek> s/reviewer/reviewer for this code/
# [08:56] <darktrojan> get firebot to review it
# [08:56] <KWierso> firebot: r? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1565318
# [08:56] <firebot> KWierso: Sorry, I've no idea what 'r? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1565318' might be.
# [08:57] <@smaug> firebot: review http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1565318
# [08:57] <@smaug> please
# [08:57] <firebot> smaug: Sorry, I've no idea what 'review http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1565318' might be.
# [08:57] <@smaug> oops, a bit bad commit message
# [08:57] <darktrojan> firebot, review my patch
# [08:57] <firebot> darktrojan: Your patch looks good. r+sr+ui-r+a=mconnor
# [08:57] <nigelb> haha
# [08:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8eb367e5b053 - Olli Pettay - bustage fix, bug Bug 686735, r=Callek
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# [08:58] <mwu> l
# [08:59] <Callek> 2
# [09:00] <nigelb> that was an 'l' :P
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# [09:00] <jaws> anybody know if i can bring my bike to the SF office?
# [09:00] <glazou> bonjour
# [09:00] <darktrojan> I don't see any bustage to fix :/
# [09:00] <nigelb> Morning
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# [09:01] <Callek> darktrojan: /home/smaug/mozilla/hg/mozilla/gfx/layers/opengl/LayerManagerOGL.cpp:265:7: error: non-constant-expression cannot be narrowed from type 'int' to 'GLenum' (aka 'unsigned int') in initializer list
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# [09:03] <darktrojan> why is nothing red then?
# [09:03] <@smaug> we don't compile using clang by default?
# [09:04] <nigelb> Don't think we do.
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# [09:04] <Callek> not yet afaik
# [09:04] <Callek> ...at least not everywhere it works thats for sure
# [09:04] <darktrojan> oh right
# [09:06] * @smaug doesn't know why he is using clang.
# [09:06] <@smaug> I should probably switch back to gcc
# [09:07] * darktrojan doesn't know anything about clang
# [09:07] <Callek> smaug: iirc we plan to do clang on mac by default soon though
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# [09:26] <glazou> wow, sorting a long list of bugs in Bugzilla is just incredibly long... I got the "Do you want to abort this script" popup twice !
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# [10:01] <romaxa> smaug: do you know if there are some standart feature or experimental feature which would allow to load iframe in separate process, (kinda sandboxed iframe) ?
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# [10:09] <@smaug> romaxa: you mean normal iframe in a web page?
# [10:09] <@smaug> jlebar|away: is just implementing something for that
# [10:10] <@smaug> and certainly not a standard feature
# [10:10] <romaxa> smaug: yep, normal iframe
# [10:13] <romaxa> smaug: idea is to move some heavy content with js et.c. into child process, for example build complex graph, and as soon it builded (dom, layout) user can send it to print without slowing down main UI process
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# [10:18] <@smaug> romaxa: well, there how could parent process communicate with the iframe?
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# [10:19] <@smaug> romaxa: and what do you mean with "and as soon it builded (dom, layout) user can send it to print without slowing down main UI process"
# [10:20] <@smaug> how would you decide which iframes get own process?
# [10:21] <romaxa> smaug: some attribute I guess, similar to sandbox
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# [10:22] <@smaug> why not use workers for the heavy stuff ?
# [10:22] <romaxa> smaug: probably some JS proxy objects needed to communicate with child iframe
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# [10:23] <romaxa> smaug: yep, heavy stuff problem could be solved with workers, but not memory
# [10:23] <@smaug> browsers couldn't ensure that iframe gets own process, even if there was some attribute
# [10:23] <romaxa> smaug: for example this feature would be useful for b2g applications
# [10:24] <@smaug> b2g will have something like that
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# [10:24] <@smaug> not sure how it will work in generic web pages
# [10:25] <@smaug> I would assume multiprocess iframe is for privileged pages only
# [10:25] <@smaug> romaxa: you could ask jlebar|away
# [10:25] <romaxa> smaug: IIUC b2g will push whole web app into separate process, and would not allow to application make multiprocessing internally
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# [10:26] <romaxa> smaug: ok, I'll ask him
# [10:26] <@smaug> romaxa: AFAIK, b2g browser will be a web app, and web app will open iframe in a separate process
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# [10:26] <@smaug> romaxa: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714861
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# [10:28] <@smaug> romaxa: or ask cjones
# [10:29] <cjones> what's the question?
# [10:29] <@smaug> cjones: what will be the multiprocess setup in b2g
# [10:29] <@smaug> apps will have their own process?
# [10:29] <romaxa> cjones: about attribute which woul allow to make iframe loading in child process
# [10:29] <cjones> yes, up to memory constraints
# [10:29] <@smaug> will browser app have a separate process for the web pages?
# [10:30] <cjones> yes
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# [10:31] <romaxa> cjones: would it be iframe attrbute, or mozilla specific stuff like xul:browser remote=true?
# [10:32] <cjones> the decision is based on new iframe attributes
# [10:32] <cjones> no XUL in gaia
# [10:32] <romaxa> cjones: I mean would it be possible for webapps to create application with multiprocess implementation inside app
# [10:32] <cjones> (since it's standard web tech)
# [10:32] <cjones> they don't get to decide
# [10:32] <cjones> but that might happen, yes
# [10:33] <@smaug> xul:browser is pretty much the same as html:iframe
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# [10:36] <NeilAway> is bugzilla interdiff broken?
# [10:36] <glob> NeilAway, depends
# [10:36] <glob> NeilAway, it definitely doesn't like some diffs
# [10:37] <Ms2ger> More broken than before?
# [10:37] <glob> i don't think interdiff has been updated (we use the interdiff binary, it isn't perl code in bugzilla)
# [10:37] <NeilAway> glob: well, interdiff worked fine on the two patches I was looking at (in 743679)
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# [10:44] * NeilAway was using patchutils 0.2.11 locally if that helps
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# [10:49] <glob> yeah, wfm too locally with patchutils 0.3.2
# [10:50] <glob> i've also asked IT what version of interdiff we have installed
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# [11:02] <Ms2ger> *outRun = nsnull;
# [11:02] <Ms2ger> NS_ENSURE_TRUE(aNode && outRun, NS_ERROR_NULL_POINTER);
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# [11:12] <glazou> smaug: plus hooks to navigation
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# [11:34] <Yoric> How do I build only for B2G on TryServer?
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# [11:38] <Unfocused> Yoric: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryServer#Using_a_custom_mozconfig
# [11:38] <Yoric> Thanks
# [11:38] <Unfocused> (at least, i assume that would work for b2g)
# [11:39] <Yoric> I'll continue my investigation with b2g people, then :)
# [11:39] <Yoric> My problem is the following: RyanVM informs me that one of my patches does not apply cleanly and the result on inbound does not build for B2G.
# [11:40] <Yoric> Problem is, I have just pulled, and my patch does apply cleanly.
# [11:40] <Yoric> So, either I am drunk, or there are several branches, or I have entered the Twilight zone.
# [11:40] <mwu> Yoric: I can take a look and see if there's any obvious issues
# [11:40] <Yoric> mwu: Can you build B2G?
# [11:40] <mwu> I can also do that
# [11:41] <mwu> though my builds don't use the same config that inbound uses
# [11:41] <Yoric> Frankly, the results I have seen on inbound don't even look like the code that I have on my repo.
# [11:41] <Yoric> So, I suspect that anything that will break will break in a very visible manner.
# [11:42] <Yoric> mwu: It's the patch of bug 732936
# [11:42] <mwu> Yoric: I don't see a patch there
# [11:42] <glandium> Yoric: the try syntax supports -p b2g
# [11:43] <Yoric> mwu: Sorry, I meant bug 728171
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# [11:43] <Yoric> glandium: does it?
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# [11:44] <Yoric> My test seemed to indicate that it didn't work.
# [11:44] <glandium> Yoric: it worked when i tried last week
# [11:44] <Yoric> Ah no, you're right, either I looked too quickly at the page or it doesn't print "B2G" immediately.
# [11:44] <Yoric> (I mean the TBPL page)
# [11:45] <mwu> Yoric: this patch doesn't appear to cover some new uses of scopedclose in widget/gonk/nsWindow.cpp
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# [11:45] <Yoric> mwu: I'll take a look, thanks.
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# [11:45] * Yoric will probably grep for mFd in widget/gonk/
# [11:47] <mwu> nice patch though. I've been wondering why scopedclose didn't use get() like everything else
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# [11:50] <Yoric> Thanks.
# [11:51] <Yoric> Ok, so some of yesterday's bustage is effectively my fault.
# [11:52] <Yoric> Just not the part of which I was accused.
# [11:52] <Ms2ger> J'accuse!
# [11:55] <glandium> Objection!
# [11:57] <Yoric> So, I am both ashamed of my mistake and pissed off at having spent that much time hunting ghosts.
# [11:58] <Ms2ger> glandium, Alleged killer whale!
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# [12:00] <glandium> Yoric: were you using an EMF meter?
# [12:01] <Yoric> No, but I have had little sleep, so I could cross the beams.
# [12:01] <Yoric> Plus I met some people telling me that "there is only xul", or some such nonsense.
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# [12:15] <whimboo> mak: ping
# [12:15] <mak> whimboo: hi
# [12:16] <whimboo> mak: do you know where the startup code is located which handles the command line options?
# [12:16] <whimboo> i'm looking to get bug 399317 reproduced
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# [12:17] <mak> whimboo: I think nsAppRunner
# [12:17] <whimboo> lemme check
# [12:18] <mak> whimboo: look for the various CheckArg there
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# [12:20] <mak> whimboo: nope, I never looked at that deep enough
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# [12:20] <whimboo> mak: k. thanks anyway
# [12:20] <mak> but those methods have javadocs
# [12:21] <mak> the shell one is Windows only
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# [12:21] <mario> hi everyone, i want to customize the titlebar on mac (wanna draw custom buttons in it) - do I have to build my own system buttons for close, minimize etc. on mac? does anybody knows a good source to read? (thanks :D)
# [12:22] <glazou> mario: titlebar of firefox's window or your own add-on/app window
# [12:23] <glazou> ?
# [12:23] <Yoric> Ok, I can reproduce the crash of bug 744727 . Where do I find my stack to attach it to the bug?
# [12:23] <Yoric> (I mean the stack dump)
# [12:23] <Ms2ger> Run under gdb?
# [12:24] <Yoric> :/
# [12:24] <Yoric> It's under Windows, btw.
# [12:25] <Yoric> Doesn't our crashpad save something somewhere?
# [12:25] <Ms2ger> about:crashes, maybe
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# [12:25] <Yoric> Completely forgot about that one.
# [12:25] <Yoric> Ms2ger: thanks
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# [12:41] <glazou> food time here
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# [12:43] <mario> @glazou: own xulrunner app, with moz build system
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# [12:44] <glazou_lunch> then you can always have chromeless windows and have your own decorations
# [12:44] <glazou_lunch> I need to go, bbiab
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# [12:59] <vikash> gerv, ping
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# [13:07] <xmraner> Hi! does anybody know if it's planned to add mouse(+cursor on screen) support in Gecko for Android in future? Sorry if I put my question in wrong place/way here.
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# [13:09] <gcp> how does this work? is this an accessibility ting?
# [13:09] <gerv> vikash: pong.
# [13:10] <gcp> xmraner: is this something that works in other apps and not in firefox?
# [13:10] <xmraner> I made some changes in the code(gonk - InputReader/AppShell/nsWindow)
# [13:11] <xmraner> yes, it works in all applications, and works fine, it always on top of all applications
# [13:11] <gcp> gonk? isn't that b2g?
# [13:11] <xmraner> yes, it's b2g
# [13:11] <gcp> oh, so not android
# [13:12] <vikash> gerv, hey, as the suggestion you gave me the other day, I commented on the proposal
# [13:12] <xmraner> I mean I'm using that on top of android ICS (on snowball)
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# [13:13] <gerv> Yes, thank you, I saw it :-)
# [13:14] <gerv> I believe teoli has also been in touch with you?
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# [13:16] <xmraner> I see gonk uses some "reduced" EventHub/InputReader/InputDispatcher from Android frameworks, I've made my implementation using a thebes layer as the last child in LayerManager. Maybe there is more valid place for my code? Actually that's my queston)
# [13:16] <vikash> Yes, he is . He guided me on what should I hack upon first. Is there any thing sceptical and he also told me that he kept you updated on my progress
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# [13:18] <vikash> gerv, ^^
# [13:18] <gerv> vikash: Great.
# [13:20] <vikash> gerv, If you have any queries regarding the examples or slides, please let me know, I would love to hear from you
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# [13:22] <vikash> gerv, you can clone both and test them. just that many things have to be added in the slides, but its in introduction/index.html
# [13:22] <gerv> teoli's evaluating, not me :-)
# [13:22] <gerv> I'm sure he'll look at your stuff.
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# [13:23] <vikash> Great :-). he guides me greatly and evaluates it :)
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# [13:45] <@smaug> mounir: ping
# [13:47] <@smaug> mounir: could you give feedback to Bug 743638
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# [14:02] <glandium> smaug: hey, have you been able to reproduce that nss failure with bug 736066?
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# [14:04] <@smaug> uh, that one
# [14:04] <@smaug> let me retry
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# [14:06] <@smaug> glandium: ok, compiling now a build without the patch, and then with
# [14:06] <@smaug> I'll report the results
# [14:06] <glandium> smaug: thanks
# [14:06] <@smaug> glandium: sorry, I forgot to do this earlier
# [14:06] <@smaug> glandium: btw, it was a clang build which failed, IIRC
# [14:07] <@smaug> if that matters
# [14:07] <glandium> smaug: shouldn't matter, but who knows
# [14:07] <glandium> smaug: what version of clang?
# [14:07] <@smaug> clang version 3.1 (trunk 145966)
# [14:07] <@smaug> Target: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
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# [14:32] <mounir> smaug: why removing 'moz'?
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# [14:36] <Ms2ger> bear, you were looking for nattokirai?
# [14:37] <bear> yes
# [14:37] <nattokirai> what's up?
# [14:37] <bear> if your :jdt I have some passwords for you
# [14:37] <nattokirai> ok, great
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# [14:38] <nattokirai> you'll mail them to me?
# [14:38] <jfkthame> nattokirai: while you're here, a quick heads-up - i'd like to take a harfbuzz update pretty soon
# [14:38] <bear> noooo
# [14:39] <nattokirai> ok, sure
# [14:39] <nattokirai> jfkthame: can you look over the font-feature-settings patches
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# [14:40] <jfkthame> nattokirai: i've been wondering - what's your feeling about reviewing HB updates? should we basically rubber-stamp them if we're just taking a new code drop from upstream?
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# [14:40] <jfkthame> nattokirai: yeah, i'll try to go over those shortly
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# [14:41] <nattokirai> jfkthame: i usually look over the HB patches for anything that looks like a gotcha
# [14:42] <nattokirai> but with updates they're usually aren't any
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# [14:55] <zzzzz> Yoric for what its worth - I cannot repo bug 744727 on latest m-c win32 hourly 14.0a1 win7 x64
# [14:56] <Yoric> That's good to hear.
# [14:57] <Yoric> But we are getting close to releasing 12, so might as well ensure that it does not crash :)
# [14:57] <zzzzz> yep
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# [14:58] <bear> Trees closing in 10 minutes
# [14:58] * Ms2ger pushes
# [14:58] * bear smacks ms2ger
# [14:58] <bear> politely of course ;)
# [14:58] <nigelb> heh
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# [15:00] <bear> it's going to be a *great* day
# [15:00] <Ms2ger> Of course.
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# [15:01] * zzzzz damn, that means nothing much happening today and I have no excuse not to finish removing wall-paper in the bath :P
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# [15:03] <@smaug> mounir: I don't know why
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# [15:04] <darktrojan> I suppose I shouldn't have "requires gecko 14" and "requires gecko 1.9.1" on the same thing
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# [15:07] <bear> HG downtime NOW (aka 12 April 2012 0600-0900 PDT (1300-1600 UTC)) || Trees CLOSED || Next uplift: 24th April || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/
# [15:07] <bear> trees are now closed and HG downtime is starting
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# [15:08] <darktrojan> was that meant to be in the topic? ;-)
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# [15:09] <bear> doh!
# [15:09] * bear changes topic to 'HG downtime NOW (aka 12 April 2012 0600-0900 PDT (1300-1600 UTC)) || Trees CLOSED || Next uplift: 24th April || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [15:09] <bear> thanks darktrojan
# [15:10] <glazou> smacks and hugs in #developers, guys you all need vacation
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# [15:11] <glandium> glazou: vacawhat?
# [15:12] <@smaug> glandium: debug build didn't crash
# [15:13] <glazou> you know, the moment when you're NOT connected all day and do social things in real life
# [15:13] <@smaug> glandium: now trying to patch with opt build
# [15:14] * glazou realizes some could be shocked to learn it is indeed possible to socialize and that it does exist a real life :-D
# [15:14] <@smaug> yes, I was just wondering what glazou is talking about :)
# [15:14] <glazou> I was just explaining that to the CSS Exclusions specification but it did not reply :-/
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# [15:14] <Yoric> You mean the IRL Social Network?
# [15:15] <Yoric> Ah, no, that one was bought out by Facebook, wasn't it?
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# [15:16] <glazou> s/I am not a number, I'm a human being/I'm not a IRC nick, I'm a human being/ ?
# [15:17] <Yoric> Are you?
# [15:17] <KaiRo> who is "IRL"? :p
# [15:17] <glazou> do I sound like a bot?
# [15:17] <glazou> "jag känner en bot..."
# [15:18] <Yoric> "ikh bin ayn bot"
# [15:18] <glazou> ROFL
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# [15:18] * glazou imagines four hassidim singing that in yiddish and dancing
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# [15:19] <Yoric> :)
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# [15:19] <Yoric> "wenn der rebbe ist ayn bot, sind bote alle hassiden" :)
# [15:20] <glazou> what I said, vacation absolutely needed, guys...
# [15:20] <Yoric> KaiRo: well, it is a case of heresy, isn't it?
# [15:20] <nattokirai> jfkthame: i think we probably need some reftests for presentational arabic, if that's what you're referring to
# [15:20] <glazou> Yoric: "venn" ???
# [15:20] <jfkthame> nattokirai: yea, i was intending to make one using one of the droid fonts that lacks gsub
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# [15:21] * glazou thinks Yoric "germanized" a bit his yiddish
# [15:21] <glazou> nattokirai: hey !
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# [15:21] <nattokirai> jfkthame: sounds good
# [15:21] <nattokirai> glazou: hey hey
# [15:21] <Yoric> Well, the only yiddish I know, I picked from songs, so there are limits to what I can do :)
# [15:21] <KaiRo> Yoric: well, this song of course isn't about software at all - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmAAaXI8riY
# [15:22] <glazou> Yoric: "az der rebbe lacht, lachen alle hassidim..." ?
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# [15:22] <Yoric> Yep
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# [15:23] <glazou> nattokirai: you'll be in hamburg?
# [15:23] <nattokirai> yep
# [15:24] <glazou> coolio
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# [15:24] <glandium> KaiRo: You also work on chrome://, when working on Firefox stuff
# [15:24] <nattokirai> can't say i'll remember any of my high school german...
# [15:25] <Yoric> glandium: Yes, I always wondered if Google did not choose that name just to make us lose productivity.
# [15:25] <nattokirai> but beer is biere so all is good
# [15:25] <mario> glazou: are you sure that i have to build my own titlebar to be able to render my buttons in it? thought about <titlebar + -moz-appearance
# [15:25] <glazou> I did not say that
# [15:25] <glazou> I said you have the opportunity to do it
# [15:25] <Yoric> Mmmhhhh...
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# [15:26] <Yoric> When bear-afk mentions that trees are closed, does this also mean that hg.mozilla.com/users trees are closed?
# [15:26] <glandium> nattokirai: that's french (modulo a `). German is bier
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# [15:27] <nattokirai> heh. see what happens?
# [15:27] <KaiRo> glandium: sure, our "chrome" was there long before Google's, they just stole it from us when they hired that core Firefox team
# [15:27] <Yoric> remote: *** failed to import extension hgwebjson from /repo/hg/extensions/hgwebjson.py: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
# [15:27] <Yoric> That looks weird.
# [15:28] <KaiRo> "remote" is a person I never liked very much, esp. since I saw "Connection closed by remote" a couple of time
# [15:28] <glazou> ROFL
# [15:29] <glazou> that explains a few things...
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# [15:30] <glandium> KaiRo: There's that person named peer that does the same, too
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# [15:31] <Yoric> Oh, yeah, I hate that guy.
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# [15:31] * Yoric definitely needs some vacation time.
# [15:32] <glandium> peer prefers to reset, though, instead of closing
# [15:32] * sheppy sees "sabbatical" and is reminded that he has been laid off by two companies less than two months before earning a 4-week sabbatical. Sigh.
# [15:32] <glazou> hey of course sheppy , did your really think they would give you that pleasure ? (kh, kh, kh ;-)
# [15:33] <glazou> (btw, sabbaticals, in the US corporate sense, don't exist here)
# [15:33] <sheppy> glazou: well, to be fair, in both cases they were unfortunately-timed mass layoffs. :)
# [15:34] <glazou> I know the feeling...
# [15:35] <glazou> sheppy, btw, I forgot last time we were together in #developers but I wanted to tell you a loud thank you for the vast irmprovements of the documentation
# [15:35] <sheppy> glazou: thank you! It's not just me; we've got a growing team of contributors (not to mention there now being four staff writers!). It helps a lot.
# [15:35] <sheppy> We have tons left to do, but we're getting better.
# [15:35] <KaiRo> glandium: ah, yes, that peer guy is bad as well
# [15:35] <glazou> I know it's not just you, but you're seriously influential here
# [15:36] <glazou> I just could not work without it
# [15:36] <sheppy> glazou: that's awesome to hear, and I sure appreciate it. I've done what I can to try to keep things moving that way. :)
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# [15:36] <glazou> when I started Nvu in 2003, doc was in such a state it was often unusable
# [15:37] <glazou> now I almost all of the time find in one or two hops things related to my search
# [15:37] <sheppy> glazou: fantastic!
# [15:37] * glazou still regrets the old XUL doc
# [15:38] <glazou> what was the name again... xulplanet ?
# [15:38] <darktrojan> also, sheppy++ for putting up with the mdn software
# [15:38] <ekw> Can someone help me push to try? Bug 724841
# [15:39] <sheppy> glazou: yeah, we're still working on improving our docs to the point of people not feeling that loss so badly.
# [15:39] <sheppy> darktrojan: Haha :)
# [15:39] <glazou> sheppy: can I make a suggestion ?
# [15:39] <sheppy> glazou: go for it
# [15:39] <glazou> MDN's search engine...
# [15:39] <sheppy> Seriously looking forward to being off MindTouch soon and controlling our own destiny.
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# [15:40] <glazou> the search engine is bad way of accessing a doc site
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# [15:40] <glazou> how many docs in MDN right now ?
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# [15:40] <sheppy> Across all languages, there are 65692 articles.
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# [15:41] <sheppy> I don't currently have a way to get a per-language breakdown.
# [15:41] <glazou> hmmm
# [15:41] <glazou> what do you think ? between 1/2 and 2/3 in english?
# [15:41] <sheppy> And yes, the search is currently not awesome. I hope it will be better on the Kuma wiki.
# [15:41] <sheppy> glazou: Yeah, about that, I expect.
# [15:41] <glazou> ok
# [15:41] <sheppy> I usually estimate about 40000.
# [15:42] * @smaug tried to edit some article lately, but noticed that he's account was removed
# [15:42] <glazou> then I wonder if an Index, based on the significant words contained in articles' titles, could be useful
# [15:42] <glazou> Index of words I mean
# [15:42] <sheppy> smaug: there's no way to remove accounts, so that's not likely.
# [15:42] <@smaug> sheppy: IIRC it required browser id
# [15:42] <sheppy> smaug: oh yes, are you one of those folks that has problems with BrowserID?
# [15:43] <sheppy> glazou: there actually is one but we're not using it right now due to issues with the indexing software.
# [15:43] <glazou> sigh
# [15:43] <sheppy> For some reason that I don't remember, the indexer was blowing up on our system, so we have it disabled.
# [15:43] <sheppy> We will be switching wiki software very soon, hopefully before mid-May.
# [15:43] <glazou> sheppy: even a static index like that, generated only once a day, would help a lot
# [15:43] <@smaug> sheppy: well, it didn't way why I should have a browserid
# [15:44] <sheppy> smaug: We just require BrowserID to log in now. Part of our dogfooding effort.
# [15:44] <@smaug> looks like browserid.org doesn't actually say how browserid works
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# [15:44] <sheppy> glazou: I'm hopeful that search will be better sometime before long, but I don't have details on the search plans for Kuma.
# [15:44] <sheppy> smaug: what is it you want to know?
# [15:44] <glazou> ok
# [15:45] <@smaug> sheppy: like, is some of my data stored on some server?
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# [15:46] <sheppy> smaug: Does this info help? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/BrowserID/Protocol_Overview
# [15:47] <@smaug> sheppy: that looks useful
# [15:47] <@smaug> I wonder why https://browserid.org/ doesn't have such information
# [15:47] <sheppy> smaug: coolio
# [15:47] <sheppy> smaug: I don't know.
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# [16:07] <andreasn> anyone recognize a error with something called nsFilePicker.cpp? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1565782
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# [16:22] <ddahl> khuey|away: http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/20899646420/not-just-a-peer-but-peer-support-as-well
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# [16:24] <bhearsum> appropriately, he's afk right now
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# [16:26] <sheppy> lol
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# [16:28] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, isn't it fun how "libmime" could be replaced by half a dozen other Gecko modules? :)
# [16:30] <mconnor> mconley: random question... if we're building a contacts API in Gecko ( https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/ContactsAPI ) can Tbird just use that?
# [16:30] <jtcranmer> hsivonen: I did too
# [16:30] <mconnor> mconley: at that point, tbird contact sync is probably basically free...
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# [16:31] <mconley> mconnor: yes, that definitely crossed my mind. My big question is how other contact services, both read / read-write, fit into all of this (Google, Facebook, LinkedIn, LDAP, etc)
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# [16:33] <mconley> mconnor: besides gwagner, who should I be pinging?
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# [16:33] <mconnor> mconley: on that API? I think philikon and cjones are the other people involved
# [16:34] <mconley> mconnor: cool, thanks
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# [16:34] <mconnor> mconley: as for other services, that's a hard question to answer
# [16:34] * mconley nods
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# [16:35] <gwagner> sicking and tantek are also involved
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# [16:36] <mconley> gwagner: hey - I remember talking to you all a few months ago about all this stuff. Glad to hear it's coming up again. :)
# [16:36] <mconley> gwagner: do you have any input on how other contact services fit into the big picture?
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# [16:38] <gwagner> philikon had some code that imported contacts from Facebook afaik.
# [16:38] <gwagner> but I don't know how the solution for all the different services should look like
# [16:38] <mconley> gwagner: ah, it *imports*, but does it periodically pull refreshed data from it?
# [16:38] <mconley> gwagner: it's a really, really, really hard problem.
# [16:39] <gwagner> it was just a prototype implementation so no refresh
# [16:39] <Ms2ger> My reaction to editor: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2298cdYp31rsi0l3o1_500.jpg
# [16:39] <gwagner> yeah everybody keeps saying that :)
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# [16:39] <mconley> gwagner: but I dig hard problems. :D
# [16:40] <mconley> gwagner: do you folks meet periodically to talk about this sort of thing? Is there a mailing list, bug, wiki, or etherpad I should be looking at?
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# [16:40] <@smaug> Ms2ger: bah
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# [16:40] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I'm sure you want to clean up editor code
# [16:41] <gwagner> for syncing contacts? not really. we only have a webapi meeting and b2g meeting once a week
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# [16:41] <gwagner> nobody looked into this problem so far
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# [16:42] <mconley> gwagner: alright. So how best might I get involved?
# [16:42] <Ms2ger> smaug, unfortunately so
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# [16:42] <gwagner> well whats your goal or whats the problem you want to solve?
# [16:42] <jviereck> gerv: hi Gerv. I have some licensing question. Do you have a minute?
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# [16:43] <gerv> jviereck: Sure. Take it to PM.
# [16:43] <Ms2ger> We should do this: http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-April/002909.html
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# [16:44] <mconley> gwagner: so, I'm on the TB team, and the TB address book is in desperate need of an overhaul. What we'd like is for a user to be able to have their contacts from B2G, Android, their "socialized browser", etc, available in Thunderbird.
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# [16:46] <mconley> gwagner: TB should be able to update this contact information, and this should sync silently to all of the other devices in the background.
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# [16:47] <gwagner> sure makes sense. so you are interested in the sync part. the DB part is solved?
# [16:47] <mconley> gwagner: but a user's contacts live in a bunch of different places / services. We want TB users to have access to those contacts where possible, and "overlay" any duplicates that exist across the different sources.
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# [16:47] <gwagner> do you have your own DB in TB or do you want to use the contacts API and backend?
# [16:47] <mconley> gwagner: I suppose the storage part is solved, if we use your Contacts API work to read/ write.
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# [16:48] <@smaug> glandium: I can't reproduce the crash on opt build either
# [16:48] <gwagner> ok
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# [16:48] <mconley> gwagner: I think we'd like to follow the other projects as much as possible. Forking and doing our own thing hasn't worked so well in the past
# [16:48] <@smaug> glandium: but I'm not sure I'm loading the same pages as I was before
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# [16:48] <glandium> smaug: erf
# [16:48] <gwagner> we have to solve the sync issue anyways
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# [16:48] <glandium> smaug: didn't you say that was happening at startup
# [16:48] <glandium> ?
# [16:49] <mconley> gwagner: which sync issue? Just syncing contacts across the devices, or syncing with contact services?
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# [16:50] <gwagner> both I guess.
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# [16:50] <@smaug> glandium: yes, startup when I had plenty of pages which started to load immediately
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# [16:50] <@smaug> IIRC
# [16:51] <glandium> smaug: that's not very helpful :(
# [16:51] <@smaug> yeah
# [16:51] <@smaug> sorry
# [16:51] <mconley> gwagner: Alright, cool. Where is that code that imported from Facebook, btw?
# [16:52] <@smaug> glandium: let me try still something...
# [16:52] <gwagner> should be in philikons github
# [16:52] <mconley> gwagner: also, is there a more appropriate channel to discuss this stuff? #webapi? #b2g?
# [16:53] <gwagner> maybe webapi
# [16:53] <mconley> gwagner: cool, thanks
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# [16:53] <gwagner> but sicking would say thats not an api problem :)
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# [16:55] <mconley> gwagner: also, do you know if someone is building a b2g contacts manager? If so, who?
# [16:55] <mconley> (the app - I know the contact management backend has landed)
# [16:56] <gwagner> you mean the UI? etienne is working on it
# [16:56] <mconley> gwagner: cool, thanks
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# [16:56] <gwagner> for the fronted you can ask in #gaia
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# [16:59] <KaiRo> bsmedberg: thanks for taking a look for the symbols so fast, I guess we need Adobe there, then, I have CCed Sal right away thankfully, so he should have bugmail (and he tends to respond to that)
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# [17:03] <@smaug> glandium: still crashing
# [17:03] <@smaug> when I use my normal profile
# [17:03] <@smaug> opt build
# [17:03] <glandium> smaug: can you find the trigger?
# [17:04] <@smaug> I need to try to find some minimal test case
# [17:04] <@smaug> by trigger you mean ?
# [17:04] <mcot> this bug sounded like a good idea
# [17:04] <mcot> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162611
# [17:04] <mcot> oh well
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# [17:05] <@smaug> mcot: well, there are some helper methods already
# [17:05] <glandium> smaug: what site crashes it
# [17:05] <mcot> I'm looking to go from nsIDocShell to window
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# [17:06] <@smaug> you call getinterface
# [17:06] <Ms2ger> Ugh, making everything center around nsIDocShell
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# [17:07] <@smaug> nsCOMPtr<nsPIDOMWindow> win = do_GetInterface(docshell);
# [17:07] <@smaug> mcot ^
# [17:07] <mcot> wow
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# [17:08] <mcot> thats quite simple actually
# [17:08] <@smaug> that is the outer window, if you care
# [17:08] <mcot> thats ok
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# [17:08] <mcot> I can do some magic from there to get what I need
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# [17:08] <@smaug> mcot: what do you need eventually ?
# [17:09] <Ms2ger> mcot, I'd say that bug already happened, but centered on nsIDocument
# [17:09] <mcot> cool
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# [17:09] <hsivonen> mcot: nsIInterfaceRequestor is weird and sad. Good luck for getting GetFoo() convenience methods added to nsIDocShell
# [17:09] <mcot> It hard to discover these things without asking IRC
# [17:09] <ewong_> what's the url for the tinderbox again?
# [17:09] <Ms2ger> tbpl.mozilla.org
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# [17:10] <Ms2ger> It would be nice to merge all the nsIDocShell* interfaces...
# [17:10] <ewong_> Ms2ger err sorry I meant the page that I can close the trees with
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# [17:11] <mbrubeck> ewong_: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/admintree.cgi?tree=Firefox
# [17:11] <@smaug> Ms2ger: all but one, but yes
# [17:11] <ewong_> mbrubeck: thanks!
# [17:11] <mbrubeck> (replace "Firefox" with tree of your choice)
# [17:11] <mcot> so I'm not a COM guru
# [17:11] <Ms2ger> Good
# [17:11] <mcot> in general getInterfae does what?
# [17:11] <Ms2ger> You're not lost yet
# [17:11] <mcot> GetInterface*
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# [17:12] <mcot> nvm I think I just have to read the nsIInterfaceRequestor documentation
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# [17:14] <mcot> looks like its just a one way QI
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# [17:15] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: not only would be nice to merge the interfaces of the docshell, it would be nice to merge the implementation classes, too
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# [17:15] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: well, it would be nice if Someone Else merged them
# [17:15] <Ms2ger> There's more than nsDocShell?
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# [17:15] <mcot> so it looks like if I look at the GetInterface method on an object
# [17:15] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: IIRC, yes
# [17:16] <mcot> I can see what I can GetInterface too
# [17:16] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: nsDocLoader, IIRC
# [17:16] <mcot> else if ((aIID.Equals(NS_GET_IID(nsPIDOMWindow)) || ... ... return mScriptGlobal->QueryInterface(aIID, aSink);
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> Mm
# [17:17] <mcot> so that makes sense
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# [17:17] <Ms2ger> Not nearly as bad as the interfaces, though
# [17:17] <Ms2ger> eh-saaaaaaaan
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# [17:17] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: some of the pointless interfacyness comes from not having everything in one impl class
# [17:17] <@smaug> hsivonen: it is in my plans to clean up docshell
# [17:17] <Ms2ger> After Muta... Oh
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# [17:18] <hsivonen> smaug: \o/
# [17:18] <@smaug> Ms2ger: exactly, after Muta... !
# [17:18] <@smaug> and that Muta... is done
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# [17:18] <@smaug> but I need to figure out a leak now, and review some specs
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# [17:19] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [17:19] <Ms2ger> This looks like a patch to remove nsIDocShellTreeNode
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# [17:19] <fantasai> rniwa: ?
# [17:19] <Ms2ger> I wonder if it applies or builds
# [17:20] <Ms2ger> Morning fantasai
# [17:20] <fantasai> 'morning Ms2ger
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# [17:24] <jesup> Anyone know a way to force the MS VS compiler to tell you *how* it included the file that's throwing errors? GCC is reasonably nice about backtracing it for you...
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# [17:30] <@ehsan> smaug: ping
# [17:31] <@smaug> ehsan: pong
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# [17:31] <@ehsan> smaug: so I've been getting very bad GC/CC times lately
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# [17:31] <@ehsan> the last CC I see in the logs took 8 seconds :(
# [17:31] <@smaug> ehsan: yes, I've got some bad CC times too
# [17:31] <@smaug> by any chance, did it start last week or so?
# [17:32] <@ehsan> has there been a new regression?
# [17:32] <@ehsan> yeah maybe
# [17:32] <@smaug> there is something new
# [17:32] <@smaug> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743178
# [17:32] <@ehsan> I've definitely noticed it recently
# [17:32] <@smaug> ehsan: if you have about:cc installed, you could look at what documents are leaked
# [17:32] <@smaug> and what is the root
# [17:32] <@smaug> about:cc is available from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726346
# [17:32] <@ehsan> ok give me a few minutes ;)
# [17:33] <@ehsan> smaug: I think I have the one from AMO
# [17:33] <@ehsan> is that good enough?
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# [17:33] <@smaug> ehsan: it should work too
# [17:33] <@smaug> the UI is just more complicated
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# [17:36] <@ehsan> smaug: ok what should I do in about:cc
# [17:36] <@ehsan> ?
# [17:36] <@smaug> run cycle collector
# [17:36] <@smaug> find documents
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# [17:37] <@smaug> may take some time, if you have plenty of garbage
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# [17:41] <@ehsan> smaug: No possibly-leaked nsDocument objects in the log
# [17:41] <@ehsan> oh wait
# [17:42] <@ehsan> the collection is not over
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# [17:47] <@ehsan> smaug: ok I've got the report, once I manage to copy it out of firefox, I wanna kill it
# [17:47] <froydnj> Ms2ger: are there other interesting things to be done for bug 732708?
# [17:47] <@ehsan> smaug: anything else I can gather for you before I kill firefox?
# [17:48] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 732708?
# [17:48] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732708 min, --, ---, Ms2ger, ASSI, Remove globalStorage artifacts
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# [17:48] <Ms2ger> There is still quite some code to go, yes
# [17:48] <froydnj> what else needs to die off?
# [17:49] <@smaug> ehsan: so, no possibly leaked documents?
# [17:49] <froydnj> I think I might have to radically rework localStorage for bug 742822
# [17:49] <froydnj> so janitorial work in that area might pay off later
# [17:49] <@ehsan> smaug: no, I pressed find documents too soon, there's a ton of leaked stuff
# [17:49] <Ms2ger> mayhemer suggested merging nsDOMStorage / nsDOMStorage2
# [17:49] <@ehsan> so much that firefox is choking when I tried to copy it to the clipboard in fact :(
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# [17:50] <@khuey> could we reimplement localStorage on top of indexeddb?
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# [17:50] <@smaug> uh
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# [17:50] <@smaug> ehsan: could you create a log
# [17:50] <@smaug> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump the first gray box
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# [17:50] <@smaug> and send the log to me
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# [17:50] <@smaug> ehsan: though
# [17:50] <Ms2ger> I've got a couple of spec fixes to do, though, so I'd prefer not too much refactoring right now ;)
# [17:50] <froydnj> fair enough
# [17:50] <@smaug> so you see nsIDOMEventListener as a root for some of those leaked documents?
# [17:51] <@smaug> s/so/do/
# [17:51] <froydnj> I was just thinking about shoving localStorage's tables into indexedDB's sqlite database
# [17:51] <@smaug> ehsan: since if you do, you see the same bug
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# [17:51] <froydnj> but if there's a better way, then that would be cool too
# [17:51] <@smaug> ehsan: also, do you have facebook documents leaked ?
# [17:51] <florian> is there an easy way to tell a floating panel to stay above a window even when that window is moved, or do I need to add event listeners on the window (not sure of which events I could use, I hope there's something better than the DOM mutation events on the screenX/screenY attributes) to call moveTo on the popup each time the window is moved?
# [17:51] <@ehsan> smaug: I do see facebook
# [17:51] <@smaug> ehsan: I'm interested the things on the right side
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# [17:52] <@smaug> ehsan: and the root for the facebook doc is a WrappedJS (nsIDOMEventListener) ?
# [17:52] <@khuey> froydnj: well IndexedDB has a separate sqlite database per IndexedDB database
# [17:53] <@ehsan> smaug: how do I find the root of the facebook doc?
# [17:53] <@khuey> so you'd have to answer the question of "which database"
# [17:53] <@smaug> ehsan: on the right side, where you see the documents
# [17:53] <froydnj> oh, duh. hum, inconvenient
# [17:53] <@smaug> ehsan: there should be a list of roots under the document
# [17:53] <@khuey> hacking up a localStorage impl that uses IndexedDB as the backing store could be fun though
# [17:53] * @khuey would rather do that than hack on the WebIDL parser on the flight to australia
# [17:54] * @khuey hopes bz isn't around to see that
# [17:54] * froydnj would rather hack on WebIDL parsers, personally
# [17:54] <@ehsan> smaug: there are no documents on the right side
# [17:54] <@smaug> oh
# [17:54] <@smaug> so there are no leaked documents after all
# [17:54] <@ehsan> smaug: honestly firefox is so sluggish now that I can't be sure whether my clicks on find documents are taking effect
# [17:54] <@ehsan> smaug: oh ok
# [17:54] <@ehsan> there they are!
# [17:54] <@ehsan> hold on
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# [17:55] <@khuey> heh
# [17:55] <@khuey> maybe we should trade
# [17:55] <@smaug> ehsan: just that, if you see that WrappedJS (nsIDOMEventListener), then it is the same bug, and I don't really need a CC log
# [17:55] <froydnj> works for me!
# [17:55] <Fallen> harth: are you harthur?
# [17:55] <@smaug> ehsan: (I just need a way to reproduce in a debug build)
# [17:55] <@ehsan> smaug: I need to get the log out of firefox to look at it
# [17:56] <@ehsan> smaug: and it takes a year for firefox to respond to any events!
# [17:56] <@smaug> ehsan: well, then https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump
# [17:56] <@smaug> ehsan: in general, if median CC time is over 20ms, you have a leak
# [17:57] <jesup> smaug: Should I dare hit "find documents"? 30058 objects 15426 roots 1661 garbage 36767 edge :-/ (Hmmmpf - about:tabs can't be found anymore, but is marked as installed and enabled) Prob about 850+ tabs, probably 75-120 loaded (guess0
# [17:57] <@ehsan> well, 8s is more than 20ms indeed!
# [17:57] <@ehsan> smaug: ok, so I do see facebook docs
# [17:57] <@smaug> jesup: that is not much
# [17:58] <@ehsan> with CC root being an nsIDOMEventListener
# [17:58] <@smaug> jesup: also, find documents is fast
# [17:58] <@ehsan> smaug: but I also see lots of other docs
# [17:58] <@smaug> ehsan: ok, well, I do still assume it is the same bug
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# [17:58] <@ehsan> smaug: and good news, I only have one facebook doc listed, and I remember exactly what I did on that page last night
# [17:58] <@ehsan> smaug: I navigated to the page, and played an embedded youtube video in flash
# [17:58] <@ehsan> and then navigated away
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# [17:59] <jesup> smaug: cc is ~35-45ms; GC ~500-550ms
# [17:59] <@smaug> ehsan: well, the problem is that this bug happens randomly
# [17:59] <@ehsan> smaug: (the rest of the docs are all chrome:// docs)
# [17:59] <@smaug> jesup: that is a bit slowish
# [17:59] <@smaug> CC I mean
# [17:59] <@ehsan> smaug: I can try to reproduce after I restart firefox
# [17:59] <@smaug> jesup: but depends on the loaded tabs
# [17:59] <harth> Fallen: yes, what's up?
# [17:59] <@ehsan> smaug: should I go ahead and restart?
# [17:59] <@smaug> jesup: do you see leaked documents?
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# [18:00] <@smaug> ehsan: yes
# [18:00] <jesup> about 10 about:blanks
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# [18:00] <@smaug> about:blanks are there occasionally. kind of temporary stuff usually
# [18:01] <@smaug> ehsan: one thing... if you can reproduce the problem reasonable easily, could you try a build before paris bindings landed
# [18:01] <@khuey> !seen jduell
# [18:01] <firebot> jduell was last seen 16 hours, 47 minutes and a couple of seconds ago, saying 'hg gladly looked at old_new_name as a file pattern and dumped my patch's contents ' in #developers.
# [18:02] <Fallen> harth: I just wanted to let you know your FileIt page inspired me to create a bookmark keyword to do the same, see this: http://kewisch.wordpress.com/2012/04/12/keyword-bookmarks-with-multiple-parameters/
# [18:02] <@ehsan> smaug: sure, let me try to see if I can repro easily
# [18:02] <Fallen> it obviously doesn't autocomplete the components, but if you know which ones its a start :)
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# [18:03] <harth> Fallen: oh, awesome!
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# [18:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/adef80d2b5a0 - Kyle Huey - Bug 741125: Update WebIDL parser.
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# [18:05] <bear> Trees OPEN || Next uplift: 24th April || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/
# [18:05] <bear> trees are now open
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# [18:07] <bhearsum> bbondy: do you happen to know how well the update service (that is, the thing that talks to AUS) copes with getting ISE 500 errors from the server? and what it does with the body of such a response?
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# [18:07] <bhearsum> or even where that code is, so i can look for myself :)
# [18:08] <bear> can someone try a normal set of HG operations to let us know how things are doing
# [18:08] <bear> we are looking for some early feedback if anything is borked
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# [18:09] <bbondy> bhearsum: sorry I haven't worked with that part of the code at all
# [18:09] <bbondy> sek let me see if I can find the code though
# [18:09] <bhearsum> bbondy: thanks!
# [18:10] <bbondy> toolkit\mozapps\update\nsUpdateService.js
# [18:10] <bbondy> If you want more specifically though you'd have to ask rs or someone else that worked on it
# [18:10] <bhearsum> ah ok
# [18:10] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/update/nsUpdateService.js#2455
# [18:11] <bhearsum> awesome
# [18:11] <zzzzz> khuey: OSX fire on m-c
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# [18:11] <zzzzz> bear|buildduty: looks like topic didn't change ?
# [18:11] <@khuey> ugh, really
# [18:11] <@khuey> bah
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# [18:11] <@khuey> this built successfully yesterday, damnit
# [18:12] * bear|buildduty wonders what part of his brain doesn't get the part where /topic is required to set the topic
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# [18:14] <bear|buildduty> has anyone pushed or done any HG operation? did it work? everything look ok?
# [18:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b7c1c0145079 - Kyle Huey - Backed out changeset adef80d2b5a0
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# [18:15] <catlee> looks like
# [18:15] <@khuey> things are working fine for me
# [18:15] <bear|buildduty> thanks
# [18:15] <@khuey> WTF
# [18:15] <@khuey> this builds locally
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# [18:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0d1e86660e49 - Rail Aliiev - Bug 732976 - SingleSourceFactory should generate checksums file. r=ted
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# [18:21] <zzzzz> khuey: on 10.7 local ? or are you using older version of OSX
# [18:21] <@khuey> I'm using windows
# [18:21] <@khuey> but this is python code
# [18:21] <@khuey> its supposed to be cross-platform!
# [18:21] * @khuey needs to test with 2.7
# [18:22] <froydnj> bear|buildduty: when pushing to inbound, I get: remote: error: changegroup.zz_mirrorpush hook raised an exception: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/dev/shm/hg_pushes/%2Fintegration%2Fmozilla-inbound'
# [18:22] <bear|buildduty> froydnj - ok - let me go bounce on some hg admin heads
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# [18:22] <froydnj> bear|buildduty: thanks
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# [18:23] <bear|buildduty> froydnj - they are fixifying
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# [18:25] <froydnj> bear|buildduty: thanks. apparently the changes did get pushed, so hope that works itself out
# [18:25] <kaie> if I want a firefox specific implementation of a contract ID (NOT shared with thunderbird etc.), that implementation must live below mozilla/browser - correct?
# [18:25] <bear|buildduty> froydnj - yea, that was part of the "behind the scenes mirror updating" that decided to not be "behind the scenes"
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# [18:27] <froydnj> ./approve
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# [18:28] <sheppy> Oh my.
# [18:28] <bear|buildduty> froydnj - can you confirm your push made it to the repo?
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# [18:29] <@ehsan> smaug: ok turns out that I can't repro the bug :(
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# [18:30] <@smaug> ehsan: yeah, it is hard. I've seen it now perhaps 5 times, and I've tried to reproduce it several days
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# [18:30] <@smaug> and I've used some instrumented builds to figure out what is going on
# [18:30] <froydnj> bear|buildduty: I see it on tbpl and https://hg.mozilla.org
# [18:30] <@smaug> ehsan: but I really need a debug build, so now trying to reproduce it there
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# [18:30] <bear|buildduty> froydnj - cheers
# [18:30] <@ehsan> smaug: so one thing that facebook has recently changed is that they've added full screen support to their photo viewer
# [18:31] <@ehsan> could that be related?
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# [18:32] <@smaug> ehsan: I doubt
# [18:32] <@ehsan> ok
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# [18:39] <gaston> $hg qpop -a
# [18:39] <gaston> abort: popping would remove an immutable revision
# [18:39] <gaston> what is the correct hammer to fix this ?
# [18:39] <Ms2ger> Wait
# [18:40] <Ms2ger> BSD is on HG > 2?
# [18:40] <catlee> gaston: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryServer#hg_phases
# [18:40] <gaston> tss :)
# [18:40] <gaston> catlee: thanks !
# [18:41] <Fallen> does anyone know of a javascript only mysql library? Or alternatively someone who has already done the js-ctypes part?
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# [18:44] <mreid> hrm, I got the following error when pushing to try "remote: sudo: unknown user: hg_untrusted", followed by "remote: warning: changegroup.a_pushtotry hook exited with status 1" - I see my push in tbpl though, is this something to worry about?
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# [18:46] <froydnj> bear|buildduty: ^
# [18:46] <bear|buildduty> mreid - i'll check, you should be ok
# [18:46] <mreid> bear|buildduty, thanks
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# [18:47] <mreid> Fallen, I believe the Node mysql lib is pure JS
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# [18:48] <@smaug> jduell: ping
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# [18:53] <glandium> Ms2ger: openbsd, even!
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# [18:54] <mak> froydnj: did your patch require some sort of clobber?
# [18:55] <mak> m-i is burning badly
# [18:55] <Ms2ger> Or is it just broken?
# [18:55] <Fallen> mreid: hmm thanks. Lets hope I can rip it out of the node.js container then
# [18:56] <mak> though doesn't look related... wth
# [18:56] <bear|buildduty> mreid - yes, that was a backend glitch that didn't impact your push - it has been fixed
# [18:56] <mreid> bear|buildduty, cool, thanks for checking
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# [18:56] <bear|buildduty> yw - glad to help confirm
# [18:57] <mak> Ms2ger: yeah, looks something is quite broken... should probably close
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# [18:57] <ddahl> anyone have any insight on this crash? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1565956
# [18:57] <Ms2ger> Go ahead and make it so :)
# [18:57] <romaxa> smaug: ping
# [18:58] <@smaug> romaxa: pong
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# [18:59] <romaxa> smaug: do you know if there are any extension which does finnish->english/russian translation for FF?
# [18:59] <mak> Ms2ger: closed... I wonder what's up
# [18:59] <jimm> bear|buildduty: was the issue also causing try failures? I'm seeing weird 'abort: unknown revision 'b6c26c69a36395b9a959eb51c5a8ddab998081be'!' on some test builds
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# [19:00] <@smaug> romaxa: I'm not aware of such
# [19:00] <bear|buildduty> jimm that is from the HG move - some runs will glitch like that
# [19:00] <Ms2ger> dietrich, margaret, good to see the sheriffs are around, are you investigating?
# [19:00] <romaxa> smaug: ok
# [19:00] <ajuma> akeybl: i botched rebasing when landing on esr10. can i push a bustage fix with a=you?
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# [19:02] <mak> hm TypeError: Services.appinfo is undefined
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# [19:02] <margaret> Ms2ger: i haven't been looking into it, but it looks like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=e17e02a3d5d9 broke linux builds
# [19:02] <margaret> mak: ^
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# [19:03] <froydnj> margaret: doh, that push looked good on try
# [19:03] <jduell> smaug: pong
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# [19:04] <@smaug> jduell: what happens when network connection dies suddenly
# [19:04] <mak> margaret: the bustage is at make package, that doesn't look much related to the push... and some builds are broken at the push later
# [19:04] <jduell> smaug: to websocket?
# [19:04] <@smaug> jduell: does necko immediately release all the requests
# [19:04] <@smaug> jduell: in this case I think I'm more interested in XHR
# [19:05] <@smaug> s/release/close and release/
# [19:05] <margaret> mak: hm, you're right
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# [19:05] <mak> unless it broke something in js... but looks mostly additions
# [19:05] <jduell> smaug: biesi or mcmanus or mayhemer might know for sure, but I suspect that this comes down to select() calls returning failure
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# [19:05] <jduell> if you snip an ethernet cable, it may be a while before you see failures
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# [19:05] <jduell> unless browser writes to a socket
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# [19:06] <glandium> mak: likely a clobber problem
# [19:06] <jduell> smaug: If we get a RST from a given connection we cancel it, of course, but you're talking about the whole net going away
# [19:06] <mak> glandium: could be, it's quite strange though considered the touched files...
# [19:06] <jduell> smaug: if the OS detects we're offline, it may fail all connections,
# [19:06] <@smaug> jduell: I'm talking about net going away, or huge ping times
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# [19:08] <@smaug> jduell: I wonder if it is possible that necko closes the connection (StopRequest) but still keeps some reference to the object
# [19:08] <@smaug> to nsIStreamListener
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# [19:08] <jduell> smaug: the contract is that we release the listener after calling OnStopRequest. Anything after that is a bug
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# [19:09] <taras> dolske: coming to snappy today?
# [19:10] <taras> so are firefox q2 goals on public wiki yet?
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# [19:10] <dietrich> taras: it's in progress
# [19:10] <@smaug> jduell: ok. I just keep asking this, since something strange tends to happen occasionally when there are network problems
# [19:10] <taras> the cut/paste?
# [19:11] <jduell> smaug: yeah :(
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# [19:11] <jduell> hopefully we can find out what's going on...
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# [19:12] <jduell> smaug: this is XHR, right?
# [19:12] <@smaug> I think
# [19:12] <akeybl> ajuma: yep sounds good
# [19:12] <@smaug> since I've seen it with tbpl and facebook
# [19:12] <ajuma> akeybl: great, thanks
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# [19:12] <mak> Ms2ger: margaret I'm clobbering all linux builders on inbound, let's see.
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# [19:13] <jduell> smaug: I don't know the XHR code well, alas
# [19:13] <@smaug> jduell: but this is possibly something else, since the problem I'm debugging is some recent regression, I think
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# [19:13] <@smaug> jduell: has there been any changes in Necko related to this recently
# [19:13] <@smaug> like in last two weeks or so
# [19:13] <Ms2ger> Ta
# [19:13] <jduell> smaug: well, we landed HTTP pipelining--there's been lots of fallout
# [19:13] <jduell> so it could be that
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# [19:16] <mak|afk> retriggered burning builds, feel free to reopen if those turn green.
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# [19:19] <@smaug> jduell: what..
# [19:19] <@smaug> when did that land
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# [19:22] <jbuck> can anyone explain what happened here? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677122#c31 it was backed out on inbound but got into m-c somehow?
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# [19:23] <@smaug> bonnie: ping
# [19:23] <@bz_sleep> jbuck: was it backed out after a merge to m-c?
# [19:23] <bonnie> smaug, ping
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# [19:24] <@smaug> bonnie: want to implement something not huge, but which would affect performance ...
# [19:24] <bonnie> olli
# [19:24] <bonnie> hi
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# [19:24] <jbuck> bz_sleep: it looks like mbrubeck backed it our yesterday, so I'm not sure how it got onto m-c...w
# [19:24] <bonnie> sure
# [19:24] <@smaug> oops, yes, me olli
# [19:24] <bonnie> but first what does it involve
# [19:24] <philor> jbuck: it may be that ehsan's marking bugs bottom up and hasn't gotten up to the backout yet
# [19:24] <bonnie> and whats the deadline
# [19:25] <@smaug> bonnie: innerHTML serialization
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# [19:25] <jbuck> philor: ah, okay
# [19:25] <philor> https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?startID=22444&endID=22445 did merge both
# [19:25] <@ehsan> philor: I am marking bugs bottom up
# [19:25] <@smaug> bz_sleep: look, I'm trying to find someone to solve the problem :)
# [19:25] <jbuck> I was just worried that it got onto m-c somehow, haha. thanks
# [19:25] <bonnie> sure so where can i read about it
# [19:25] <bonnie> the bug
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> smaug, meanwhile, I'm looking for someone to write the spec too :)
# [19:26] <@smaug> Ms2ger: well, I hope http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-end.html#html-fragment-serialization-algorithm works well enough as a starting point
# [19:26] <mbrubeck> There were ten backouts in the latest inbound->central merge; they can be hard to keep track of.
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# [19:26] <@smaug> bonnie: filing a bug...
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# [19:27] <bonnie> ah that sounds good cause i innerhtml serialisation doesnt really mean much to me so a bug would help
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# [19:27] <Mossop> joey: ping
# [19:28] <bonnie> smaug: well let me know the bug number and any details or pointers
# [19:28] <bonnie> i'll take a look at it
# [19:28] <joey> Mossop: pong
# [19:28] <Mossop> joey: Whatever happened to fixing the .mkdir.done problem? Was there a bug filed or anything?
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# [19:29] <Ms2ger> Mossop, I saw someone filed a bug
# [19:30] <joey> Mossop: yes a string based workaround was added in the makefile and generic rules was added in autotargets.mk to handle the mkdir dot problem
# [19:30] <@smaug> bonnie: bug 744830
# [19:30] <Mossop> joey: So why am I still seeing the problem on all my machines?
# [19:30] <bonnie> smaug: will take a look at it now thanks.
# [19:31] <joey> Mossop: a patch was being reviewed, it may not be in the system yet
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# [19:31] <Mossop> Ah ok
# [19:31] <joey> Mossop: I'll check on it shortly
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# [19:37] <gcp> w0t, closed tree?
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> Someone broke something
# [19:38] <gcp> I didn't do it.
# [19:38] <Ms2ger> Oh really?!
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# [19:39] <gcp> Wie niets doet doet niets verkeerd.
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# [19:40] <Ms2ger> Oh jawel
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# [19:41] <hub> oh bummer. good thing I have a long build. It might have the time to fix itself
# [19:41] <hub> :-D
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# [19:42] <@smaug> gerv: thanks
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# [19:43] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: are you also marking bugs?
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# [19:43] <Ms2ger> ehsan, not anymore
# [19:43] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: which ones did you mark?
# [19:43] <@ehsan> I was in the middle of marking :/
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# [19:44] <Ms2ger> ehsan, top down
# [19:44] <Ms2ger> Until 053487b8f1f7
# [19:44] <@ehsan> ouch
# [19:44] <@ehsan> I guess I should check all of the csets then :(
# [19:44] <Ms2ger> Why?
# [19:45] <@ehsan> because I'm now confused about which ones I marked and which ones I did not
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# [19:45] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: please tell me the next time you're about to do it so that we don't step on each other's toes? :)
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> I've done 053487b8f1f7:71539685fa1a
# [19:46] <mbrubeck> It looks like you guys met in the middle just fine.
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> So you can just work up to 12e42fb8e321, and you'll be fine
# [19:46] <@ehsan> ok, so I guess I'll assume that everything is marked
# [19:47] <@ehsan> and leave it to the patch authors to figure it out on their own ;)
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# [19:56] <mbrubeck> froydnj: Darn, I smell a large dose of #ifdef #else in my future (re bug 730495 comment 11).
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# [19:58] <gcp> system sqlite? down with it! :P
# [19:58] <@dbaron> ehsan, should https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708175 really be resolved? (compare comments 33 and 34; see also comment 32)
# [19:59] <gcp> mbrubeck: currently we seem to check if the sqlite had exactly the config options as we wanted. maybe that would work as well here? then its mostly configure.in joy
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# [19:59] <froydnj> mbrubeck: sorry :(
# [19:59] <@ehsan> dbaron: it's on central now, so yes
# [19:59] <@ehsan> dbaron: when the backout gets merged, it should be reopened
# [19:59] <@dbaron> ehsan, but there was a backout too
# [20:00] <@ehsan> oh wait
# [20:00] <jviereck> dbaron: hi. do you know already when we can chat within the 2-4pm timeframe?
# [20:00] <Callek> bz: no problem re: 734019 -- frustrating but I don't expect you guys to know EVERYTHING that would/could break us.... thats why I said try ;-) [I may have come across as more upset than I was in pure text, if so I apologize for that]
# [20:00] <@ehsan> dbaron: you're right, sorry about that
# [20:00] <mbrubeck> gcp: If we check for SQLITE_EXTRA_INIT=our_special_mozilla_only_config_func before using system sqlite, then we'll never ever use system sqlite
# [20:00] <mbrubeck> which I realize is your goal anyway :)
# [20:00] <gcp> :)
# [20:00] <@dbaron> jviereck, let's say 1:45pm or 2pm
# [20:00] <jviereck> k
# [20:01] <gcp> mbrubeck: I misunderstood how jemalloc hooks into there. I thought the malloc/free calls were wrapped automatically, didn't realize the config was needed to get them to be used at all.
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# [20:04] <mbrubeck> gcp: Maybe we could do something so they *are* wrapped automatically?
# [20:04] <jviereck> dbaron: okay. thanks for the input
# [20:05] <gcp> mbrubeck: its going to take some digging to figure out how that all works
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# [20:06] <mbrubeck> gcp: You can talk to stuart too... he did the original jemalloc integration
# [20:06] <gcp> mbrubeck: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/memory/mozalloc/mozalloc.cpp#61
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# [20:06] <gcp> mbrubeck: I think that line undoes my assumption. But why? ahaha.
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# [20:08] <mbrubeck> gcp: Where is that symbol even used? https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=MOZALLOC_DONT_DEFINE_MACRO_WRAPPERS
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# [20:08] <gcp> lol!
# [20:08] <Shadowized> has a bug report been filed on these awkward horizontal lines appearing since 4-10 on MC?
# [20:08] <gcp> mbrubeck: this is not a good sign :P
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# [20:09] <gcp> time for some hg blame I think
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# [20:10] <hub> crap I forgot to fill the r= in the commit message
# [20:10] <hub> do I just leave it or do I backout?
# [20:11] <@khuey> just leave it
# [20:11] <hub> ok
# [20:11] <hub> :-(
# [20:11] <Ms2ger> As long as the bug # is right ;)
# [20:11] <hub> the bug# is right
# [20:12] <gcp> hmm, doesn't it require r= before you can push?
# [20:12] <Ms2ger> Nope
# [20:12] <Ms2ger> It requires a bug number
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# [20:16] <mbrubeck> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Committing_Rules_and_Responsibilities#Commit_message_restrictions
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# [20:18] <gcp> iirc aurora hooks on a= too, right
# [20:19] <gcp> I should learn to read, it's in the first paragraph :P
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# [20:21] <Yoric> ehsan: ping
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# [20:21] <@ehsan> Yoric: hi
# [20:21] <Yoric> hi
# [20:21] <Yoric> I have a few difficulties understanding what happened to my patches.
# [20:21] <Yoric> Are they in or out?
# [20:21] <Yoric> bug 720771
# [20:22] <dholbert> gcp, (I mistakenly said something about r= being required, a few weeks ago. Ms2ger later corrected me)
# [20:22] <Yoric> and bug 728171
# [20:22] <@ehsan> looking
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# [20:22] <Yoric> ehsan: thanks
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# [20:23] <@ehsan> Yoric: the test was backed out and relanded on inbound
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# [20:23] <@ehsan> Yoric: and I merged everything to central
# [20:23] <@ehsan> so it's all on central now
# [20:23] <Yoric> Great, thanks.
# [20:24] <Yoric> So I still don't know what happened yesterday.
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# [20:24] <Yoric> But it seems to work, which is the most important part.
# [20:24] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [20:33] <bhearsum> ehsan: i realize that Instruments isn't as good as Shark, but you know that Shark is dead, right?
# [20:33] <bhearsum> and that we'll have to find a new solution at some point...
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# [20:33] <@ehsan> bhearsum: yes, but a new solution does not exist
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# [20:33] <@ehsan> and people like bz still use shark
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# [20:33] <bhearsum> building profiling on 10.6 means building with Xcode 3 instead of 4, so you're probably not going to get equivalent builds...
# [20:33] <@ehsan> so we should keep this working
# [20:34] <@ehsan> see my latest comment on the bug, that might be a solution
# [20:34] <Mossop> Shark is dead? I thought instruments used shark underneath the covers anyway
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# [20:34] <qheaden> Are there any plans on adding to Firefox the ability to have a private tab and a non-private one open in the same browser instance? Chrome has that ability.
# [20:34] <@ehsan> Instruments doesn't have APIs for starting/stopping the profiler dynamically
# [20:34] <Ms2ger> qheaden, yes
# [20:34] <@ehsan> other than that it's better than Shark in every imagineable way
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# [20:34] <Ms2ger> qheaden, jdm is working on it
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# [20:35] <qheaden> Ms2ger: Cool.
# [20:35] <@ehsan> qheaden: yeah, the project is underway but slowly
# [20:35] <@ehsan> qheaden: are you interested to help? :)
# [20:35] <bhearsum> ehsan: ok, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the differences
# [20:35] <@ehsan> yep
# [20:35] <@ehsan> qheaden: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=pbngen
# [20:35] <qheaden> ehsan: I am interested, but I probably can't help right now, since I'm busy with other bugs. But I might jump on board later down the line.
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# [20:36] <@ehsan> qheaden: sounds great, please ping me or jdm in that case :)
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# [20:37] <qheaden> ehsan: Thanks for that link. I'm working on bug 335781 right now, and I might be accepted to Summer of Code, I'm not sure. But when I get some time, I'll take a look at it.
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# [20:37] <Ms2ger> fantasai, yt?
# [20:37] <gcp> taras: ping
# [20:37] <Yoric> ehsan: There is something weird.
# [20:38] <Yoric> ehsan: in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728171#c23, you link to a patch that will not compile
# [20:38] <@ehsan> qheaden: ok sounds great
# [20:38] <Yoric> (and which is actually not my patch but the result of a typo of RyanVM)
# [20:38] <@ehsan> Yoric: I was just going through the changesets one by one and marking the bugs
# [20:39] <Yoric> ehsan: ok
# [20:39] <Yoric> So the problem is in the link, not in the patch landed?
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# [20:39] <@ehsan> Yoric: I'm confused, please check mozilla-central yourself
# [20:39] <@ehsan> to see if everything is the way it should be
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# [20:40] <Yoric> ehsan: Can I use mxr or should I pull
# [20:40] <Yoric> ?
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# [20:41] <@ehsan> Yoric: not sure if MXR is updated yet
# [20:41] <Yoric> ok
# [20:41] <@ehsan> pulling is the safest option
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# [20:41] <Yoric> I'll do that.
# [20:41] <Yoric> Thanks.
# [20:41] <@ehsan> np
# [20:42] <Yoric> There must be something wrong with my repo.
# [20:42] <Yoric> I do not see the patch.
# [20:43] <Yoric> ehsan: No, it has been backed out.
# [20:43] <@ehsan> make sure you update to tip
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# [20:43] <Yoric> |hg update -r tip|?
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# [20:44] <bhearsum> careful with 'tip', it isn't always on the same branch
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# [20:44] <@ehsan> Yoric: yeah
# [20:45] <@ehsan> Yoric: fwiw, the tip should be 901dfde60183
# [20:45] <Yoric> Yep, I have the tip.
# [20:45] <Yoric> And my patch is out.
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# [20:48] <@bsmedberg> Mossop: can I get you to rubberstamp https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=613696&action=edit ?
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# [20:49] <Mossop> bsmedberg: Ah perfect
# [20:50] <ajuma> Yoric: looks like your patch was backed out by 12e42fb8e321, but the comment had the wrong bug number
# [20:50] <Yoric> ok
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# [20:51] <ajuma> heh
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# [20:59] <gregglind> I do `firefox -new-tab tab1 -new-tab tab2`; they open in different windows. Any way to get them to open in one?
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# [21:01] <qheaden> Unfocused: ping
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# [21:02] <fantasai> Ms2ger: yep
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# [21:02] <gavin> gregglind: not without some fixes to firefox's command line handler
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# [21:03] <NeilAway> something like firefox "tab1|tab2"
# [21:03] <gavin> oh, yeah
# [21:03] <gavin> you can do that
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# [21:03] <gavin> er, hrm
# [21:04] <gavin> we might have broken that
# [21:04] <gregglind> I tried ',' but that failed. Will, test '|'
# [21:04] <gavin> (intentionally)
# [21:04] <gavin> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cdb5ab09bc26
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# [21:05] <gregglind> alias aurora='/Applications/Aurora.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox'
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# [21:05] <gregglind> PROFILE=aurora-debug
# [21:05] <gregglind> TPWEB=~/hgs/testpilotweb
# [21:05] <gregglind> TP=~/hgs/testpilot
# [21:05] <gregglind> # you have to do a bit more the first time. This is for restart / cleaning
# [21:05] <gregglind> ugh, sorry!
# [21:05] <gregglind> but the '|' doesn't seem to work.
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# [21:05] <gavin> yeah, see my link above, we broke that for security reasons
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# [21:06] <gavin> well, also usability reasons
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# [21:06] <gavin> but you could file a bug to make -new-tab -new-tab do what you want
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# [21:07] <gregglind> I will. It's a nit.
# [21:07] <gregglind> thanks gavin.
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> fantasai, do you reckon the WG would take references for tests in the CSS21 test suite?
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# [21:11] <fantasai> Ms2ger: Yes!!
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# [21:11] <fantasai> Ms2ger: Highly encouraged. In fact, this is what Gérard is working on -- he's focusing on the ones that have to be hand-made custom per-test
# [21:12] <fantasai> Ms2ger: but if you have more you want to add, please add them
# [21:12] <Ms2ger> fantasai, given the not-so-encouraging response leading up to rec, some people were skeptical...
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# [21:12] <fantasai> Ms2ger: Microsoft was being overly cautious imho
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# [21:13] <fantasai> Ms2ger: if I had time, I'd unbitrot gsnedders patch and apply it :)
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# [21:13] <Ms2ger> I've got gsnedders' patch in a tree
# [21:13] <Ms2ger> But I don't think I've updated that tree since last August
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# [21:17] <qheaden> Has anyone been having some build problems with PyMake lately?
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# [21:19] <padenot> qheaden: using last tip ?
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# [21:22] <mbrubeck> Hmm, where is this test_cookie_wrap.js xpcshell failure coming from on inbound...
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# [21:27] <qheaden> Strange. It seems that tbpl is green. I'm not sure why the build is failing.
# [21:28] <jfkthame> qheaden: have you tried clobbering your objdir and starting over?
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# [21:29] <qheaden> jfkthame: Twice.
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# [21:30] <jfkthame> dunno, then - which platform, btw?
# [21:30] <philor> have you tried coming back to the warm slow crushing embrace of gmake?
# [21:30] <qheaden> I'm using pymake on Windows 7.
# [21:30] <qheaden> Maybe I'll try the build on my linux box.
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# [21:31] <jwir3> what is the new address for the try chooser syntax builder? http://people.mozilla.org/~lsblakk/trychooser/trychooser.html gives me a not found error
# [21:31] <qheaden> philor: I'm trying my best to avoid gmake on windows, since it becomes unstable with multiple jobs. :(
# [21:31] <philor> http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/
# [21:31] <jwir3> philor: thx
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# [21:32] <@bz> which spec is Blob defined in?
# [21:32] <Ms2ger> File API
# [21:33] <@bz> ah, yes
# [21:33] <@bz> thanks
# [21:34] * @bz thinks that people who wrote these APIs had never really thought about ArrayBuffer vs ArrayBufferView
# [21:35] <Ms2ger> Probably true
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# [21:36] <@bz> because these APIS are _broken_
# [21:36] <Ms2ger> Typed Arrays? Yes
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# [21:37] <gcp> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/google-abandons-noble-experiment-to-make-ssl-less-painful.ars
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# [21:37] <gcp> interesting, we had some fallout with BEAST mitigation too
# [21:38] <gcp> not clear from the article if Google is reignign back on that as well
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# [21:38] <mbrubeck> gcp: Looks like ars is still blocked by safe browsing. :P
# [21:38] <gavin> gcp: interesting article
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# [21:39] <gavin> mbrubeck: huh, not for me?/
# [21:39] <gcp> ?
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# [21:39] <@ehsan> bhearsum: who should work on getting the profiling branch to use 10.6 builders for now?
# [21:39] <mbrubeck> gcp, gavin: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3824206
# [21:39] <bhearsum> ehsan: jhford
# [21:39] <@ehsan> I would rather get this done today
# [21:39] <@ehsan> ok thanks
# [21:39] <@ehsan> jhford: ping
# [21:39] <mbrubeck> I got blocked following gcp's link above.
# [21:40] <gcp> that's...not good
# [21:40] <gcp> http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=arstechnica.com
# [21:40] <gcp> The last time Google visited this site was on 2012-04-12, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2012-04-10.
# [21:40] <taras> gcp: pong
# [21:41] <gcp> mbrubeck: that's quite strange as blocked sites should be whitelisted *very* quickly
# [21:42] <@ehsan> bz: ping
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# [21:42] <gcp> taras: huu, I'm adding telemetry for the first native fennec run
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# [21:42] <taras> gcp: and?
# [21:42] <gcp> taras: as I understand telemetry's working, very, very few data will actually make it to the server, right?
# [21:43] <@bz> ehsan: ack
# [21:43] <taras> gcp: 0
# [21:43] <gcp> taras: because telemetry isn't persistent, native fennec exits a lot, and I only get this data *once*
# [21:43] <taras> well
# [21:43] <@ehsan> bz: are you fine with me taking out --enable-shark on the profiling branch so that we can get nightlies?
# [21:43] <taras> gcp: we have persistent telemetry
# [21:43] <gcp> taras: oh, how does that work?
# [21:44] <taras> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707320
# [21:44] <taras> we serialize on shutdown
# [21:44] <lmandel> gcp: looks like I was mistaken
# [21:44] <taras> which clearly wont be useful
# [21:44] <taras> gcp: but you could do some of the 742539
# [21:45] <taras> should be easy
# [21:45] <@ehsan> lmandel: btw, I think at this point the changes of the background updates getting into fx14 are slim
# [21:45] <@ehsan> unless we decide to backport to aurora at some point
# [21:45] <gcp> taras: why wouldn't it be useful? if it can still get submitted later?
# [21:45] <taras> gcp: by some of i mean 719167
# [21:45] <lmandel> ehsan: that's my thought as well but I need to hear the state from rs.
# [21:45] <taras> gcp: cos you have to be very lucky
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# [21:46] <taras> a) shutdown firefox cleanly
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# [21:46] <taras> b) have the user opt in
# [21:46] <@bz> ehsan: yeah
# [21:46] <taras> c) have telemetry turn on susequent start and not have persistent data from before overwritten
# [21:46] <@ehsan> lmandel: yeah, just wanted to let you know what I think about this :)
# [21:46] <@bz> ehsan: seems like the path of least resistance....
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# [21:47] <@ehsan> bz: cool, so I'll do that, sorry for depriving you of shark nightlies :(
# [21:47] <lmandel> ehsan: I'm assuming you haven't received any feedback at this point.
# [21:47] <gcp> taras: if I collect my stats only once, my odds should be fair, no?
# [21:48] <@ehsan> lmandel: if you mean review comments, no
# [21:48] <rstrong> lmandel ehsan: just about done with the reviews and there isn't much in the way of changes. I'm currently trying to wrap my head around the one-off's for Mac OS X and after that will submit feedback.
# [21:48] <@ehsan> rstrong: that's awesome to hear
# [21:48] <taras> gcp: we can improve this easily..but someone needs to do it
# [21:49] <rstrong> ehsan: my main concern atm is how you go for Contents/ instead of the root of the package.
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# [21:49] <lmandel> rstrong: ditto the awesome.
# [21:49] <@ehsan> so if there aren't too many changes, we might still be able to land this before the aurora migration
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# [21:49] * lmandel holds my breath
# [21:49] <rstrong> definitely
# [21:49] <@ehsan> rstrong: can you please point me to a file in the patch? my memory is rusty on the patch...
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# [21:50] <gcp> taras: alternative, I can "remember" the first run stat myself and just report that to telemetry on each gecko start
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# [21:50] <taras> gcp: feel free to encourage froydnj to wrap it up
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# [21:50] <rstrong> ehsan: for example, in ProcessReplaceRequest in updater.cpp
# [21:50] <taras> gcp: none of this is super tricky
# [21:50] <gcp> I need this before monday
# [21:50] * @ehsan looks
# [21:50] <taras> ah..then ok
# [21:50] <gcp> and I'm on PTO in afew hours
# [21:50] <gcp> :)
# [21:51] <@bz> ehsan: I still have builds I compile myself... ;)
# [21:51] <@bz> ehsan: just having the symbols and frame pointer in the nightlies is already pretty good
# [21:51] <froydnj> gcp: what am I supposed to wrap up?
# [21:52] <Ms2ger> gcp, what? Why? It's not even 10PM yet!
# [21:52] <@ehsan> rstrong: ok, I see. I tried to think of a cleaner solution but that didn't occur to me
# [21:52] <@ehsan> rstrong: I'd be willing to change this if you have better ideas
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# [21:53] <rstrong> ehsan: Why not files and dirs in the root of the .app?
# [21:53] <Ms2ger> MOZ_NOT_REACHED("Assertion failed")
# [21:53] <rstrong> is it because of xpcshell only?
# [21:53] <Ms2ger> Oh really?
# [21:53] <@ehsan> rstrong: you mean as opposed to pitting them in Updated.app?
# [21:53] <@ehsan> *putting
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# [21:54] <rstrong> ehsan: you take everything under Contents/ and put it there. Why not everything in the .app instead? So, it would put everything in the root inside of Updated.app.
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# [21:55] <@ehsan> rstrong: I remember that there was a reason that I did that, since I did it the way you're saying initially and something didn't work
# [21:55] <@ehsan> rstrong: I don't remmeber what it was right now... :/
# [21:56] <rstrong> I didn't see any comment in the code. :(
# [21:57] <rstrong> I suspect it is due to the xpcshell tests and running against a non .app
# [21:57] <@ehsan> that is definitely possible
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# [21:57] <@ehsan> cause I had to change a lot of things to make it possible to test using xpcshell
# [21:57] <rstrong> in which case it would be better to do the *right* thing for the client and either skip or fix the xpcshell test itself
# [21:57] <@ehsan> let me think about this for a bit
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# [22:06] <@ehsan> + // It's possible to launch xpcshell from dist/bin as opposed to from the
# [22:06] <@ehsan> + // app bundle directory on Mac. This is how our xpcshell tests run. In
# [22:06] <@ehsan> + // order to launch the updater with the correct arguments, we need to set
# [22:06] <@ehsan> + // the appDir to the application bundle directory though.
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# [22:06] <@ehsan> rstrong: this is the comment which explains this ^
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# [22:07] <@ehsan> rstrong: basically when we run xpcshell tests on the tinderbox, it's in a totally different environment than when we run them in a local build
# [22:08] <@ehsan> which means that it's similar to other platforms
# [22:08] <@ehsan> which makes it necessary to compensate for this on os x
# [22:08] <@ehsan> since the "regular" updates are all run from a bundle directory on that platform
# [22:08] <@ehsan> the xpcshell initiated updates are the only exception
# [22:08] <rstrong> ehsan: right and we take that into account in the other xpcshell updater tests instead of compensating for it in the client code
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# [22:09] <jhford> bhearsum, ehsan: pong
# [22:09] <@ehsan> jhford: unping, see the bug
# [22:09] <jhford> k
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# [22:09] <@ehsan> rstrong: it's not clear to me how to support both behaviors without any code in the client
# [22:09] <@ehsan> (for os x, that is)
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# [22:12] <hurley> armenzg_mtg: check, not worrying :)
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# [22:20] <@ehsan> jhford: bhearsum|triage: what's the correct mozconfig for 10.7 builders?
# [22:20] <jhford-work> ehsan: the normal ones
# [22:20] <jhford-work> the macosx*-lion* ones were deleted from mozilla-central
# [22:20] <@ehsan> jhford: macosx-lion-universal?
# [22:20] <@ehsan> oh really?
# [22:20] <@ehsan> ok
# [22:20] <jhford-work> that one was deleted
# [22:20] <@ehsan> so wait
# [22:20] <@ehsan> I need to pull
# [22:20] <jhford-work> we're back to macosx-universal
# [22:21] <jhford-work> if you pull M-C, your mozconfigs should be in order
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# [22:22] <mayhemer__> I'm getting "no rule to make target xpidllex.py" when building current m-c on fedora, is it known?
# [22:22] <gcp> taras: where are those histograms saved?
# [22:23] <taras> gcp: profile dir
# [22:23] <Ms2ger> mayhemer__, how long ago you updated?
# [22:23] <gcp> I don't see anything that sounds like telemetry
# [22:23] <gcp> oh
# [22:23] <gcp> sessionHistograms
# [22:24] <mayhemer__> Ms2ger: now
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> And before that? :)
# [22:24] <mayhemer__> Ms2ger: hmm... looong time :)
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# [22:24] <Yoric> dougt: ping
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> rm xpcom/idl-parser/*pyc
# [22:24] <Yoric> gavin: ping, too
# [22:25] <gavin> Yoric: pong
# [22:25] <mayhemer__> Ms2ger: *.pyc problem.. ok, thank you
# [22:25] <Yoric> gavin: Hi
# [22:25] <Ms2ger> Np
# [22:25] <Ms2ger> (At least, I think that's the one)
# [22:25] <Yoric> gavin: Do you have a few minutes to discuss strategy on the search service stuff?
# [22:26] <marco> bsmedberg, ping
# [22:28] <mayhemer__> Ms2ger: I've deleted all pyc's in that dir, it helped
# [22:28] <Ms2ger> Great
# [22:29] <gavin> Yoric: sure
# [22:29] <kumar> python hackers live and die by find . -name '*.pyc' -delete
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# [22:34] <kumar> real python hackers disable byte code compilation!
# [22:35] <@bz> real python hackers write all their code in C? ;)
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# [22:42] <Mossop> khuey: If I have a file that contains a list of files that I want to copy from the source dir to somewhere in the objdir, maintaining directory structure, what is the straightforward way to do that, tar?
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# [22:42] <@khuey> Mossop: yeah :-(
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# [22:44] <gavin> anant: tab.linkedBrowser.addEventListener("load")?
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# [22:44] <Mossop> aleth: Forcing layout, by getting the element's height is a trick we often use in tests
# [22:45] <aleth> Mossop: Thanks! Will this work when the element in question is hidden?
# [22:45] <gavin> that should only be necssary if you're dynamically changing the binding
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# [22:45] <anant> gavin: yes, but I would have to add a listener on every tab, which means I have to listen for TabOpen (and tear down on TabClose). wondering if gBrowser.addTabsProgressListener is better?
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# [22:45] <gavin> anant: oh, sure
# [22:45] <Mossop> gavin: That isn't always true IIRC
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# [22:47] <jviereck> dbaron: hi. I'm on the 3rd floor, next to dholbert's place if you know where that is
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# [23:11] <aleth> Mossop: Or do I need to fetch the height of the (anonymous) children as well? How do I do that if the XBL hasn't bound yet and there are no anonid's?
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# [23:11] <Mossop> Just the main element is normally fine
# [23:12] <Mossop> I'm trying to remember what property we normally use, overflowHeight or something
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# [23:13] <gavin> scrollHeight?
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# [23:13] <gavin> scrollTop
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# [23:18] <Mook_as> getBoundingClientRect also works (because it needs the same info).
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# [23:18] <Mook_as> of course, if it's actually display:none you're still SOL
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# [23:20] <aleth> gavin, Mook_as: still no luck :( They are not display:none though, just not on the screen
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# [23:28] <kkdeep> hi guys
# [23:29] <kkdeep> i need a answer of a query
# [23:29] <Mossop> aleth: Oh are these listitems, not richlistitems?
# [23:29] <kaie> bz, hi, what's the meaining of "nix"? = remove ?
# [23:29] <kaie> bz, thanks for your sr+
# [23:30] <marco> can I use GIO in Mozilla code?
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# [23:32] <taras> Bas: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702485 seems pretty weird
# [23:32] <kkdeep> Guys does anyone knows why Firefox builds of linux are faster than the windows one
# [23:32] <kkdeep> ?
# [23:32] <taras> bas any theories on what's going on
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# [23:32] <marco> kkdeep, do you mean the time needed to build?
# [23:32] <@khuey> kkdeep: because the windows build runs in a unix emulation layer
# [23:33] <kkdeep> no the performance & start up time
# [23:33] <@khuey> oh
# [23:33] <Bas> taras: I can't reproduce it, and the posted didn't respond to my question, sadly :(
# [23:33] <@khuey> most people think the windows ones are faster
# [23:33] <@khuey> ;-)
# [23:33] <taras> Bas: which question?
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# [23:33] <aleth> Mossop: yes, just a standard listbox with listitem-iconic elements
# [23:33] <@bz> kaie: yes, remove
# [23:33] <kaie> ok thx
# [23:33] <Bas> taras: It's higher up I believe, if it was any different for him in wmode transparent, opaque, or windowed.
# [23:34] <Bas> Maybe I didn't ask clear enough
# [23:34] <@bz> kaie: sorry I wasn't clearer
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# [23:34] <kaie> bz, no worries :) thanks again, will remove it
# [23:34] <taras> Bas: wasn't very clear
# [23:34] <kkdeep> i find that the linux versions are much more stable than the windows one but is there any specific reason for that
# [23:34] <Bas> taras: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702485#c19
# [23:34] <Bas> Really? :P
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# [23:35] <taras> Bas: maybe he knows more about this than i do. but that question made no sense to me :)
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# [23:36] <Bas> taras: I assumed he did since he specifically called the bug 'Windowed Flash' although I'm starting to believe he might have meant something different than the WindowMode.
# [23:36] <zwol> kkdeep: this may be something to do with your windows machine.
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# [23:37] <zwol> kkdeep: on windows there are a whole bunch of third-party, um, programs, that can interfere with proper operation of firefox.
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# [23:37] <marco> who should I talk to about Linux platform? I'm working on native support for webapps on linux
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# [23:37] <zwol> kkdeep: there are far fewer such things on linux.
# [23:37] <marco> I'd need some answers
# [23:38] <taras> Bas: i'm gonna track as [gfx-accel ruins things] for snappy
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# [23:40] <Bas> taras: Sure.
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# [23:40] <Bas> Do we have any machines that can repro it?
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# [23:43] <taras> Bas: i'm checking
# [23:43] <kkdeep> zwol: thanks for the info
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# [23:45] <Fallen> marco: are you looking for the mentor, or someone with specific linux experience?
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# [23:45] <marco> someone with linux-mozilla experience, I need to ask just a few questions about GNOME integration
# [23:46] <marco> (which libraries I can use and so on)
# [23:46] <Fallen> marco: In that case I'd suggest asking the specific questions you have, that usually attacts more people to answer :)
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# [23:46] <taras> Bas: also, oh god that song is terrible
# [23:47] <Bas> taras: *laughs*
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# [23:47] <taras> "romanian pride"
# [23:47] <marco> Fallen, thank yuo
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# [23:47] <Fallen> marco: or maybe your mentor can point you to the right people to talk to, if the nick is right then it looks like he is here
# [23:47] <Bas> Let me try my girlfriend's PC in a min.
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# [23:51] <@khuey> anybody around with python 2.5?
# [23:52] <catlee> I do
# [23:52] <@khuey> if you do python -B script.py, does it die?
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# [23:53] <catlee> no
# [23:54] <catlee> well
# [23:54] <catlee> if I do 'python2.5 -B script.py' it does :)
# [23:54] <@khuey> heh, ok
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# [23:54] <rniwa> ehsan: thanks for the replay. I've summarized you & james @ opera's replay on one of my replies to webkit-dev
# [23:54] <rniwa> ehsan: i've also cc'ed you on the thread so you can get some visibility if you wanted to replay or anything :)
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# [23:54] <catlee> Unknown option: -B
# [23:54] <catlee> what does -B do?
# [23:55] <@khuey> make my life not suck
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# [23:55] <catlee> oh
# [23:55] <Bas> taras: So, yeah, I think I can see what he means looking at his videos, I just don't experience it as a big issue. It would be nice to know the cause though.
# [23:55] <catlee> we use the environment variable to disable .pyc files
# [23:55] <Bas> taras: IT repro's in IE9 as well.
# [23:55] <@ehsan> rniwa: cool
# [23:55] <catlee> but...that doesn't work on 2.5 either
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# [23:56] <@khuey> catlee: tinderbox does?
# [23:56] <Bas> taras: My guess would be (with no certainty), that Flash doesn't like us stealing GPU resources away from its decoder.
# [23:56] <Hixie> bz: yeah, i have fixing the iframe thing on my todo list
# [23:56] <Hixie> bz: thanks for the e-mail
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# [23:56] <@bz> hixie: no problem
# [23:56] <taras> Bas: my guess is that we are screwing up in network cache actually
# [23:56] <@bz> hixie: sorry that we just can't make it work
# [23:56] <Bas> taras: Really? Why would that be affected by D2D?
# [23:56] <catlee> khuey: on our masters
# [23:56] <@khuey> ah
# [23:57] <@bz> hixie: too fragile, too many assumptions, too much state tied to navigation contexts. :(
# [23:57] <taras> Bas: just a guess
# [23:57] <Hixie> bz: oh, no worries. i just gotta figure out exactly how the browsers kill the iframes and spec it. :-)
# [23:57] <Bas> taras: Fair enough
# [23:57] <@bz> hixie: heh
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# [23:57] <@bz> hixie: I can maybe-sorta describe what gecko does if you need it at some point
# [23:58] <@khuey> catlee: stale pyc files is about the only explanation I have for https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=adef80d2b5a0 beyond cosmic rays
# [23:58] <@bz> woohoo!
# [23:58] <Hixie> bz: i might take you up on that!
# [23:58] <@bz> no more builds under layout/build
# [23:58] <@bz> now I just need my fingers to remember that...
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