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# Session Start: Fri Apr 13 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <taras> Bas: so is this popular in europe or just wherever he is from?
# [00:01] <taras> Bas: yeah seems like network cache
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# [00:02] <Bas> taras: I have no idea, never heard of this girl,.
# [00:02] <Bas> No Dutch or English wikipedia page on her either :)
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# [00:02] <taras> lol
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# [00:03] <KaiRo> jimm: ping
# [00:03] <Bas> taras: My guess would be she's Polish from looking at the Polish wikipedia page (turns out my Polish is a little rusty :P)
# [00:03] <taras> comments say romanian pride
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# [00:04] <Bas> taras: Yeah, I was just figuring it out, pparently the province Ploiesti in Romania :)
# [00:04] <jimm> KaiRo: pong
# [00:04] <Bas> Ploiesti had me going 'that's probably poland' :) But you're right, Romania it is.
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# [00:06] <taras> Bas: so i seem to be able to reproduce it
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# [00:07] <taras> Bas: it seems better in chrome, but if turn off network cache, it's fairly similar in firefox
# [00:07] <taras> i think d2d just makes a difference when the browser unfreezes and it causes a further stall
# [00:07] <taras> s/think/guess/
# [00:08] <Bas> taras: Could be, we also have complex interactions going on with some methods of flash drawing because we need to readback for them, so browser stalls could cause totally different issues with D2D for sure.
# [00:08] <IDEVFH> Is there a special Bugzilla listing from the MemShrink team that can be followed ?
# [00:08] <taras> Bas: i commented in the bug, we'll see what he says
# [00:08] <taras> would be good if you clarified regarding plugin modes too
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# [00:12] <KaiRo> jimm: could you take a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632209 and tells us if we still need to do something htere, and if so, what exactly?
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# [00:13] <Mavericks> IDEVFH: #memshrink
# [00:14] <IDEVFH> Mavericks: Thank you much !
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# [00:14] <jimm> KaiRo: haven't looked at crash stats in ages. lets just close that out.
# [00:14] <Mavericks> IDEVFH: aah, they have a bug tracking section @ https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance/MemShrink
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# [00:15] <IDEVFH> Mavericks: Got it Thank you !
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# [00:16] <IDEVFH> I had fun with Memory Fox but its time to be serious about helping the mozilla team concerning the memory issues
# [00:17] <Mavericks> IDEVFH: :)
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# [00:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/676dca561a2c - Joey Armstrong - Bug 735638 - replace functions that were removed by errant b-s merge - r=khuey
# [00:19] <IDEVFH> Testing with the injection version of Memory Fox I've got a pretty good start where some of which I believe is target areas contributing to the memory issues.
# [00:21] * jhammel wonders if the 'b-s' in that commit message stands for 'build-system' ;)
# [00:22] <KaiRo> jimb: ok, good, I just want to get those skiplist requests resolved
# [00:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d26c0cd1dfa3 - Kyle Huey - Bug 741125: Update WebIDL parser.
# [00:22] * philor would have gone with "bs b-s merge"
# [00:23] <jimb> s/jimb:/jimm:/
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# [00:23] <@khuey> lets see how quickly the tree burns this time
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# [00:23] <marco> I've seen GIO support is disabled by default, is there an ETA on when it will be enabled by default?
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# [00:24] <philor> khuey: https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-central/rev/d26c0cd1dfa3
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# [00:24] <philor> why wait until you can see your red on tbpl, when you can already have it from self-serve?
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# [00:25] <@khuey> philor: mmm
# [00:25] <philor> khuey: oh, that's coop's red, isn't it?
# [00:25] <@khuey> philor: looks like it ;-)
# [00:25] * @khuey backs that out
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# [00:26] <@khuey> philor: I was going to say, that was a little quick
# [00:26] <coop> khuey: wait, it's a simple matter of checking in the js version
# [00:26] <@khuey> coop: ah
# [00:26] <@khuey> coop: are you on that, or should I do it?
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# [00:26] <coop> khuey: i'll do , apologies
# [00:26] <@khuey> no worries
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# [00:27] <Callek> that is one of those tests every developer hates, including the ones who added it -- at the least we "fixed" the test to cause early red instead of late orange.
# [00:29] <@khuey> catlee: does the tinderbox clobber remove the srcdir?
# [00:29] <philor> it do
# [00:29] <@khuey> perfect
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# [00:30] <philor> that's the easy way to see if you really got a clobber that I always forget about, check how many files were added in the clone step
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# [00:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b7ff20237032 - Joey Armstrong - Bug 735638 - include missing functions for js as well - r=khuey
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# [00:38] <catlee> khuey: it does
# [00:38] <catlee> AND THERE ARE NO MORE TINDERBOXES
# [00:38] <@khuey> catlee: can't teach an old dog new tricks
# [00:39] <@khuey> coop: still red
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# [00:39] <philor> the other option seems to be to call tinderboxes "tbpl," which isn't much better
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# [00:39] <@khuey> Makefile:251: *** Variable http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central does not contain a value. Stop.
# [00:39] <@khuey> waht?
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# [00:41] <@khuey> ah, yes, this is coop's push
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# [00:43] <coop> ok, i'm backing out
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# [00:45] <philor> ah, the stuff from last Wednesday (that khuey reviewed) was broken, but wasn't actually doing anything until now?
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# [00:49] <dholbert> fantasai, ping?
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# [00:49] <NeilAway> no more extra layout/build step? since when?
# [00:50] <gavin> hmm? bug 690840 isn't marked FIXED...
# [00:51] <@khuey> gavin: see comment 1
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# [00:51] <dholbert> fantasai, unping
# [00:54] <Mossop> NeilAway: Someone blogged about it earlier today
# [00:54] <Mossop> http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2544
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# [00:55] <NeilAway> Mossop: yeah, between gavin and khuey I got there thanks
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# [00:55] <@khuey> a little curious that B2G is green when everything else is red
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# [00:56] <Callek> glandium: does that have any adverse affects to comm-*
# [00:56] <Yoric> firebot: seen dougt
# [00:56] <firebot> dougt was last seen 7 days, 6 hours, 44 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying 'you left out the important bit' in #content.
# [00:56] <Callek> glandium: as in, "if we change nothing are we still likely to build properly/link-properly"
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# [00:56] <taras> jst: is dougt around?
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# [00:57] <@khuey> taras: he's off this week
# [00:57] <Mossop> I saw him walking through the office today I think
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# [00:58] <philor> a little curious that b2g has the exact same messages and is green
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# [00:59] <mbrubeck> What's the Bugzilla component for safe browsing / phishing protection?
# [00:59] <Mossop> khuey: Apparently he doesn't know how to do PTO as he's sat in with the JS team right now
# [00:59] <taras> khuey: thanks
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# [00:59] <Mossop> mbrubeck: Firefox::Phishing Protection
# [00:59] <mbrubeck> thanks
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# [01:00] <@khuey> Mossop: interesting
# [01:00] <@khuey> I thought he was campign
# [01:00] <@khuey> *camping
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# [01:00] <Mossop> Maybe there is a sleeping bag back there that I can't see
# [01:00] <@khuey> possible!
# [01:00] <RyanVM> Yoric: feeling lucky, eh? :P
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# [01:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/88b2925e68b9 - Chris Cooper - Backed out changeset b7ff20237032
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# [01:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e6f4ae0bd30e - Chris Cooper - Backed out changeset 676dca561a2c
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# [01:07] <bbondy> I'm going to land a few patches for app update I need in before tomorrow's nightly to m-c. I see a lot of red on m-c but the last 2 backouts should fix it. So going ahead with the push to m-c.
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# [01:14] <nthomas> bbondy: fyi, we're going to start serving aus3.m.o out of a new colo in an hour or so, and I'm planning to redo nightlies on a branch to make sure all is right in the buildbot setup. Sounds like I should not do that on m-c
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# [01:16] <bbondy> nthomas it's safe to re-do them, I just need this to land on a day that releng will be there (friday) instead of the weekend where they may not
# [01:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/576a14e57ea6 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 730862 - Fix for signmar tests on linux and OS X. r=rstrong
# [01:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/82ece9fed7d0 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 735969 - Revert the disable version downgrade check workaround from Bug 735784. r=rstrong
# [01:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f75b7814f698 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 730862 - Fix for enabling the signmar configure.in option. r=rstrong
# [01:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ea7a6ca0a55c - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 730862 - Signmar tests fix for version upgrades. r=rstrong
# [01:17] <nthomas> ok
# [01:17] <bbondy> nthomas: are you going to use m-c tip? if so I'll keep an eye on tbpl tonight
# [01:18] <bbondy> for the nightly build
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# [01:19] <nthomas> bbondy: I don't have context on how to fix any issues on m-c, so I'd prefer to use something else (aurora probablY)
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# [01:19] <bbondy> k sounds good
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# [01:51] <njn> roc: has font rendering on Linux changed in the last few days? I'm sometimes seeing some slight blurriness/thickness in text when I scroll in a dev build. It goes away after a few seconds
# [01:52] <@roc> bug 744666 maybe?
# [01:52] <billm> does anybody know how to build 32-bit firefox on a 64-bit ubuntu 11.10 system?
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# [01:53] <njn> roc: looks a bit different to that video...
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# [01:56] <billm> njn: it's dying for me trying to get a pkgconfig file for gtk. did you get beyond that?
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# [01:57] <njn> billm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1566523 is the mozconfig I used
# [01:57] <njn> billm: there are specific instructions about this somewhere
# [01:57] <bkero> ANy clue what debugging steps I can take to find out why firefox 11 is pegging a core on my linux system?
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# [01:57] <billm> njn: yeah, I found a wiki page but it's for fedora
# [01:57] <RyanVM> backing out 742226
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# [01:58] <billm> njn: thanks though
# [01:58] <billm> njn: oh, you added the 64-bit pkgconfig files. does that make sense?
# [01:58] <njn> billm: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Compiling_32-bit_Firefox_on_a_Linux_64-bit_OS might help
# [01:58] <njn> billm: about the pkgconfig files... no idea
# [01:59] <bkero> looks like firefox is spending most of it's time in futex()
# [01:59] <billm> njn: thanks
# [01:59] <njn> billm: I never got it working, so take my advice with a bucket of salt
# [01:59] <billm> :-) I'll try it anyway
# [01:59] <bkero> 82.21 0.776578 284 2736 722 futex
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# [02:00] <billm> njn: just died with some freetype error :-)
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# [02:01] <billm> njn: will do
# [02:02] <RyanVM> backing out 739913 rather
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# [02:09] <gavin> dbaron: is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709747#c6 still true?
# [02:11] <@khuey> beautiful beautiful green
# [02:11] <@dbaron> gavin, I don't know any reason it wouldn't be
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# [02:13] <gavin> dbaron: does no one care about nsCOMPtr logging?
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# [02:14] <@dbaron> gavin, not sure... it also could be that nobody actually uses that forget() impl
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# [02:14] <@dbaron> gavin, or that whoever ran into the problem figured out the leak anyway despite running into it
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# [02:15] <RyanVM> lol, Yoric can't win. First his patch won't stick, then it sticks and bitrots another patch landing at the same time.
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# [02:25] <dholbert> Did we recently switch off WinXP tinderboxen on trunk or something?
# [02:25] <dholbert> I don't see WinXP listed at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/
# [02:25] <dholbert> (but I did on a try push a few days ago)
# [02:26] <dholbert> (and I did another try push today, with a diagnostic for a WinXP-specific issue, but it looks like I didn't get any WinXP jobs scheduled)
# [02:26] <@khuey> dholbert: no, there's XP on the last green push that finished building on windows
# [02:27] <dholbert> khuey, I don't see any WinXP lines since ehsan's merge at 9am this morning
# [02:27] <dholbert> (on m-c)
# [02:28] <philor> yeah, that would be the last push that built on Windows :)
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# [02:28] <dholbert> philor, ohhh right -- I forgot that our builds for WinXP don't get _built_ on WinXP
# [02:29] <@khuey> right
# [02:29] <dholbert> (I was wondering why there wasn't a line up-front, like there was for other platforms) Makes sense, thanks!
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# [02:49] <cjay> A quck question: what does 'nit mean? and 'na'?
# [02:51] <gavin> "nit" is short for "nitpick"
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# [02:51] <gavin> "na" doesn't mean anything that I know of :)
# [02:51] <gavin> not applicable?
# [02:52] <sheppy> north america
# [02:52] <cjay> what about 'nit'?
# [02:52] <gavin> (I was assuming the context was "review comments")
# [02:52] <gavin> <gavin> "nit" is short for "nitpick"
# [02:52] <cjay> yes. it's from review comments
# [02:52] <WG9s> cjay: start with this article and follow links to understand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitpick
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# [02:53] <cjay> thanks man
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# [02:53] <Callek> anyone recognize this error from today |Makefile:251: *** Variable http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central does not contain a value. Stop.|?
# [02:54] <gavin> khuey|away mentioend that earlier
# [02:54] <WG9s> the url i posted gives you info on derivation of the term but the links cited inteh article give you info on current usage.
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# [02:55] <Callek> Oooo I see that it was backed out.
# [02:55] <Callek> gavin: thank you
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# [02:59] <jviereck> is there a way to turn of azure on nightly linux?
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# [03:00] <KWierso> jviereck: there's an about:config pref you can flip to false if you filter for "azure"
# [03:00] <KWierso> not sure if that turns off everything
# [03:02] <jviereck> KWierso: I can't find the entry in about:config that I have on mac
# [03:03] <KWierso> it's gfx.canvas.azure.enabled for me
# [03:03] <KWierso> I'm on Windows, though
# [03:03] <jviereck> for me as well on mac. but filtering for "gfx" or "azure" doesn't show it up :/
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# [03:04] <KWierso> create the preference?
# [03:04] <nthomas> on a different branch than you thought ?
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# [03:34] <Waldo> who's sheriffing inbound and/or doing inbound->m-c merges?
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# [03:35] <Waldo> a patch landed in inbound earlier today that busts clang builds; the fix just landed now, so merging should wait til the fix is green
# [03:35] <Waldo> er, argh
# [03:35] <KWierso> he who asks...
# [03:35] <Waldo> wait a bit longer :-(
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# [03:37] <darktrojan> Waldo, it's unlikely to happen until the europeans are awake anyway
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# [03:38] <Waldo> fair point
# [03:38] <Waldo> just wanted to get the word out, tho, because merging now (well, pre-my bustage) would probably make some people unhappy
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# [04:04] <jtcranmer> mauve?
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# [04:06] <WG9s> jtcranmer: fuchsia it is a "Back to the Fuchsia" reference! ;-)
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# [04:21] <WG9s> jtcranmer: and i realize that is a 1985 reference which most pople tell me is b4 their time.
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# [04:45] <bjacob> bz_away: checking your email now will save you time
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# [04:53] <philor> woohoo! yippee! my first pointerlock orange that I don't have to file another bug for!
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# [04:56] <philor> Waldo: any chance that whatever was pissing off clang could also produce a linux64 pgo-only xpcshell failure in ctypes?
# [04:57] <Waldo> philor: seems unlikely; the clang failures were compile failures
# [04:57] <Waldo> which basically meant if you built with clang you couldn't get anything done unless you reverted to a changeset before about 0800 today
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# [04:58] <philor> possibly not a bad idea
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# [04:59] <@dolske> indeed, it's mfbt.
# [04:59] <@dolske> oh.
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# [05:01] <philor> or not, considering how long it's already been loading
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# [05:03] <philor> alas, no
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# [05:05] <catlee-away> when do we get the CLOBBER file back?
# [05:05] * Waldo suspects the blog.m.c move is the cause of mega amounts of google reader spamming now :-(
# [05:05] <bjacob> philor: also known as the 'cloacle' ?
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# [05:07] <biesi> Waldo, what is it moving to?
# [05:07] <Waldo> biesi: I thought it was only behind-the-scenes infrastructural upgrades and stuff
# [05:07] <Waldo> biesi: so I'm not sure why I'm getting spammed by it now
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# [05:08] <Waldo> biesi: but it's definitely the case that the loads of ancient updates (like all graydon's posts going back to the landing of the cycle collector (!)) all appear to be from blog.m.c-hosted blogs
# [05:08] <Waldo> biesi: note I subscribe to individual feeds, not to planet
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# [05:09] <biesi> ah
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# [05:09] <biesi> hah, nice
# [05:09] <biesi> or something
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# [05:21] <philor> screw the CLOBBER file, when do we get non-coalescing test retriggers from self-serve?
# [05:21] <jviereck> roc: hi Rob. do you know what Michael Ventnor is doing right now? I've pinged him, if he plans to continue on bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115199 [@page in CSS2 not implemented] in the near feature, but haven't heard back from him
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# [05:23] <philor> I'd be done and on my way home to dinner if not for the way I had to (over-)trigger PGO on every suspect, then slowly one by one retrigger the coalesced linux64 xpcshell jobs to get them actually run
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# [05:25] <bjacob> bz_away: void f() {} void g() { return f(); } // works
# [05:25] <@roc> jviereck: he's gone
# [05:25] <jviereck> k, then I look into it
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# [05:26] <jviereck> roc: talked to dbaron this afternoon on what's the best way to tackle it. Let's see how it goes
# [05:26] <@bz> bjacob: including with msvc?
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# [05:27] <bjacob> bz: see email, with gcc -ansi -everrything so one would expect msvc to know about that
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# [05:28] <@bz> bjacob: I don't expect _anything_ from compilers
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# [05:30] <@bz> but someone with actual MSVC would be really useful here
# [05:30] <@bz> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/sta56yeb%28v=vs.80%29.aspx suggests it might compile with a warning
# [05:30] <@bz> but not call the thing after the return
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# [05:30] <Waldo> bz, bjacob: what do you need tested? I could probably test something quickly
# [05:31] <@bz> Waldo:
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# [05:31] <bjacob> Waldo: void f() {} void g() { return f(); }
# [05:31] <@bz> #include <stdio.h>
# [05:31] <@bz> void f() { printf("HAH\n"); }
# [05:31] <@bz> void g() { return f(); }
# [05:31] <@bz> int main() {
# [05:31] <@bz> g();
# [05:31] <@bz> return 0;
# [05:31] <@bz> }
# [05:31] <@bz> Does that program compile?
# [05:31] <@bz> When run, does it print HAH ?
# [05:31] <Waldo> 2010, 2008, 2005, any/all of them?
# [05:31] <bjacob> Waldo: the oldest we support
# [05:31] <@bz> WAldo: "whatever runs on tinderbox"
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# [05:33] <Waldo> compiles with 2008, runs and prints HAH
# [05:33] <@bz> bjacob: if this does work, it'll mean no test compilation of intermediate states
# [05:33] <@bz> waldo: thanks!
# [05:33] <Waldo> this with |cl bar.cpp|, where bar.cpp has those contents
# [05:33] <bjacob> http://cpptruths.blogspot.ca/2008/07/return-void.html says: Section 6.6.3 [stmt.return] of ISO-14882 and the C++0x public draft says: "A return statement with an expression of type “cv void” can be used only in functions with a return type of cv void;"
# [05:33] <@bz> bjacob: since I'll need to convert over all callers and the callee functions
# [05:34] <@bz> bjacob: if you prefer that, it can be done, of course
# [05:34] <bjacob> bz: i still prefer that as the end result is better:
# [05:35] <bjacob> given that it's legal, i prefer
# [05:35] <bjacob> return Error();
# [05:35] <bjacob> over
# [05:35] <bjacob> Error(); return;
# [05:35] <@bz> ok
# [05:35] <@bz> worksforme
# [05:35] <@bz> some things will still need changes
# [05:35] <@bz> e.g. everything that's non-void in the IDL
# [05:35] <@bz> but that's not much, in webgl
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# [05:37] <@bz> anyway, sounds like we have a plan. ;)
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# [05:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/41293c7b7234 - Wes Johnston - Bug 740961 - Remove debug logging from nssbridge. r=mfinkle
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# [05:47] <Waldo> so long, sand :-(
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# [05:54] <JonathanS> Waldo, something is happened to San Diego?
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# [05:58] <@roc> bugzillllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
# [05:59] <cpearce> argh!
# [05:59] <glob> roc, something decided to point people to the SJC instead of the PHX bugzilla instance
# [05:59] <glob> shame the SJC instance is offline due to the move
# [06:00] <glob> needless to say, IT are poking at it; should be back soon
# [06:00] <@roc> ta
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# [06:02] <@bz> bjacob: ping
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# [06:04] <@bz> bjacob: how does the ValidateObject* stuff from http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1566879 look?
# [06:05] <philor> oh, things do not look good for froydnj
# [06:07] <philor> also, in retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea to leave inbound "OPEN for bustage" all day
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# [06:07] <@roc> bz: for future-proofness, would it make sense to have the error-out-param be a class with a SetError method on it, so that when the C++ impl sets an error, we can run some code at that point? In the future that might allow things to be more efficient
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# [06:11] <@bz> roc: hmm
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# [06:11] <@bz> roc: we can definitely make that change
# [06:11] <@bz> roc: easier now than later, in fact
# [06:11] <@bz> roc: what sort of future stuff are you thinking
# [06:11] <@bz> roc: ?
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# [06:12] <@roc> maybe the JS compiler generates code that assumes success on all DOM calls
# [06:12] <@bz> ah
# [06:12] <@bz> and we deoptimize if something throws?
# [06:12] <@roc> and if SetError happens, it patches the return address to deoptimize
# [06:12] <@roc> yeah
# [06:13] <@bz> hmm
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# [06:13] <@khuey> man
# [06:13] * @bz really wishes there were some sort of perf testing with dom.js
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# [06:13] <@khuey> dom/src/storage is crazy
# [06:13] <@bz> khuey: look away
# [06:14] <@roc> YAGNI applies, maybe, but the implementation today is trivial, the class just wraps an nsresult and SetError would just set it.
# [06:14] <@bz> yeah
# [06:14] <@khuey> I wanted to try changing the storage backend but honestly I think it'd be easier to rewrite it from scratch
# [06:14] <@roc> so the cost if we end up not doing any optimizations is negligible.
# [06:14] <@bz> and it leaves the way open for maybe later communicating more than just an nsresult
# [06:14] <@bz> khuey: thoughts on above?
# [06:14] <@khuey> bz: good news for you, I'm going to hack on the webidl parser on the flight instead of doing my crazy storage idea
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# [06:15] <@bz> khuey: heh
# [06:15] <@bz> khuey: what crazy idea, and why did it die?
# [06:15] <@khuey> bz: I was thinking of rewriting localStorage to use IndexedDB from C++
# [06:15] <@khuey> and just use nested event loops
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# [06:16] <@khuey> but like I said, I think it'd be easier to rewrite it from scratch
# [06:16] <@bz> roc: lemme post to .platform to give people a day or two to object
# [06:16] * @bz won't have time to implement in the next day or two anyway
# [06:16] <@khuey> bz: seems like a reasonable setup to me
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# [06:19] <larfdesk> Firefox Home is not scheduled for an update?
# [06:19] * larfdesk frowns
# [06:20] <hub> larfdesk: yeah
# [06:21] <@khuey> bz: also, I did the thing to make pyc files not happen and the parser stuff stuck
# [06:22] <@khuey> victory!
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# [06:22] <@bz> khuey: also no more crappy pyc in my srcdir?
# [06:22] <@khuey> bz: for the codegen stuff, yes
# [06:22] <@bz> khuey: I do wonder why that failed; I'd have thought python should handle its pyc stuff....
# [06:22] <@khuey> I didn't do it globally
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# [06:23] <@bz> khuey: sure
# [06:23] <@khuey> bz: one would think, but apparently this is a pretty widely known problem
# [06:23] <@khuey> should have used a real programming language
# [06:24] <glob> the IT gods have fixed BMO
# [06:24] <@bz> http://bemasc.net/wordpress/2012/04/12/helpful-tips-from-the-irs/ is priceless
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# [06:24] <JonathanS> glob, what is this "gods" you speak of?
# [06:24] <@bz> khuey: heh
# [06:24] <@bz> khuey: here I thought you liked python!
# [06:24] <@khuey> bz: I was thinking we should rewrite it in brainfuck
# [06:24] <@khuey> it can't be any more frustrating
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# [06:24] <JonathanS> khuey, even this one https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=54547 for php
# [06:24] <@bz> khuey: mmmm
# [06:24] <@bz> khuey: sure it ca
# [06:25] <@bz> khuey: er, can
# [06:25] <@bz> khuey: do _you_ want to do the code reviews?
# [06:25] <@khuey> bz: well I was thinking I'd rewrite it and jlebar|dinner would review
# [06:25] <@bz> khuey: heh
# [06:25] <@bz> khuey: I _do_ keep thinking I should learn Ada
# [06:25] <@khuey> mmm
# [06:25] <jviereck> if I have a patch file that fails to apply on a lot of files, is there a better way then looking into each .rej file by hand?
# [06:25] <@bz> khuey: just so I can cogently reason about whether it makes sense to write a browser in it
# [06:25] <@khuey> doesn't Rust obsolete Ada?
# [06:26] <@khuey> or isn't that the plan?
# [06:26] <@bz> khuey: well, that's a good question.
# [06:26] <@bz> khuey: I don't know enough Ada to say!
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# [06:26] <@khuey> bz: fair point
# [06:26] <@bz> khuey: (I might not know enought Rust to say either, but that's OK, because the Rust I knew a month ago no longer exists and other stuff exists now)
# [06:26] <glob> bz, lol, excellent
# [06:26] <@khuey> yeah ...
# [06:26] <glob> (re: irs)
# [06:26] <@khuey> that's going to be a problem
# [06:26] <@bz> khuey: which scares the crap out of me in terms of writing anything in it.
# [06:26] <@khuey> indeed
# [06:27] <@khuey> lets build our new browser on foundations of quicksand
# [06:27] <@khuey> what could go wrong?
# [06:27] <@bz> khuey: My last Rust question based on Niko's blog posts was how they'd do something like nsINode
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# [06:27] <@bz> khuey: it's a topic of hot discussion right now
# [06:27] <@bz> khuey: they think they have a plan
# [06:27] <@bz> khuey: no actual impl or anything yet
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# [06:27] <@bz> khuey: and hence not clear how _usable_ a plan it is. :(
# [06:27] <@khuey> bz: by doing nsINode you mean having a common base class with some abstract and overloaded stuff?
# [06:28] <@bz> I mean having a common base class with some members and non-virtual methods
# [06:28] <@bz> that operate on said members
# [06:28] <@khuey> heh
# [06:28] <@khuey> if we don't have a plan for that ...
# [06:28] <@bz> well
# [06:28] <@bz> start with the fact that there is no concept of "base class" in Rust
# [06:28] <@khuey> mmm
# [06:28] <@bz> there's a concept of sharing implementation
# [06:29] <@bz> but not of sharing data members
# [06:29] <@bz> so far
# [06:29] <@bz> or something
# [06:29] <@bz> anyway
# [06:29] <bjacob> bz: sorry, sleeping now. will answer email tomorrow
# [06:29] <@khuey> bz: fwiw, I don't have any Ada experience either
# [06:29] <@bz> Top minds are on the case
# [06:29] <@khuey> bz: but I expect it would not be an insane choice to write a browser in
# [06:29] <@bz> bjacob: sounds good
# [06:29] <@khuey> bz: the main difficulty would probably be in finding the talent to work on it ...
# [06:30] <@bz> khuey: unlike Rust?
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# [06:30] <@khuey> bz: no, very much like Rust
# [06:30] <@bz> heh
# [06:30] <@khuey> just not quite as extreme
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# [06:30] * @bz feels like he should show up in #rust and ask what they think the issues are with Ada
# [06:30] <@bz> and hope people don't take it as trolling
# [06:31] <@khuey> yeah
# [06:31] <@khuey> I'd be curious to know
# [06:31] <@bz> I guess I don't know what the situation is for concurrency in Ada
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# [06:32] <@khuey> I know it does have some sort of built in support
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# [06:32] <doublec> Ada gets raised often on Go/D/Rust threads on hacker news and reddit
# [06:33] <@bz> yes
# [06:33] <doublec> or any other "system programming language" thread
# [06:33] <@bz> hence the questions on my part
# [06:34] <@khuey> hmm
# [06:34] <@khuey> I should probably move towards the gate
# [06:34] <@khuey> but my laptop is enjoying the feast of electrons
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# [06:34] <@bz> boarding is overrated
# [06:34] <@bz> what you really want is a transporter
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# [06:34] <@khuey> srsly
# [06:35] <@bz> I guess Ada also doesn't have the immutable-by-default thing
# [06:35] <@khuey> I'd take the risk of transporter accidents in exchange for not having to sit in a chair for 14 hours
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# [06:35] <JonathanS> bz, like from Star Trek?
# [06:35] <@bz> And I guess memory management is the other thing
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# [06:36] <@bz> apparently most Ada impls don't do GC
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# [06:36] <@bz> because they want to do realtime stuff
# [06:36] <@bz> I suppose we want to do realtime stuff too
# [06:36] <@bz> kinda
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# [06:37] <JonathanS> khuey, even Scotty transported tribbles to the engine room of the bird of the prey.
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# [06:37] <doublec> decac looks interesting as another new systems programming language on the block
# [06:38] <@bz> a _new_ language does not help me
# [06:38] <@bz> I'm happy enough with rust if I need that
# [06:38] <@bz> esp. since we have control over where it goes
# [06:38] <@bz> my worry is little things like whether the language is usable in practice and compiler quality
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# [06:38] <@bz> which are hard to determine for a new language
# [06:39] <@bz> (rust leveraging llvm helps to some extent with the latter)
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# [06:42] <jlebar|dinner> Wow, the blogs.mozilla.org maintenance managed to mark *every single post on a mozilla.org blog* as unread in my Google Reader.
# [06:42] <jlebar|dinner> So that went well.
# [06:42] <KWierso> LOTS of new posts!
# [06:43] <Callek> yea probably changed some sort of internal hashing greader does :/
# [06:43] <@khuey> oh hey, its jlebar
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# [06:43] <@khuey> jlebar|dinner: I signed you up to review my rewrite of the WebIDL parser in brainfuck
# [06:44] * @khuey thinks now may be a good time to board
# [06:44] <jlebar|dinner> khuey, You mean jump overboard?
# [06:44] <@khuey> heh, no
# [06:44] <jlebar|dinner> khuey, Or, you mean, make your head and a board of wood better-acquainted?
# [06:44] <@khuey> jumping overboard on a plane would be interesting though
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# [06:46] <@khuey> alright, it really is time to head to the gate now
# [06:46] <jlebar|dinner> Oh, I see.
# [06:46] <jlebar|dinner> See you in a few days!
# [06:46] <@khuey> indeed
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# [06:55] <glob> khuey's coming here? i'm leaving
# [06:56] <@bz> glob: I bet if you try to hide you can avoid running into him
# [06:56] <Callek> yea he heading to sydney soon
# [06:56] <glob> bz, i'm flying to SFO tonight
# [06:57] <glob> that should do it
# [06:57] <Callek> glob++
# [06:57] <@bz> lol
# [06:57] <Callek> glob: that deserves a Meme
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# [06:57] <Callek> "Khuey flying out to australia... better leave! `now boarding: flight to SFO`"
# [06:57] <Callek> philor: whats wrong?
# [06:58] <philor> I have to back out a js patch from this morning, and I don't have any idea which thing from this morning Waldo's "no bug" followup followed up
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# [07:01] <philor> fortunately, I have hardly any connection with which to do it, too
# [07:02] <philor> nothing says "time to push a big backout that may not build" like a long string of "abort: error:" updating
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# [07:04] * mbrubeck looks
# [07:04] <mbrubeck> what are we backing out?
# [07:05] <philor> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e4c82a6b298c but I can't decide whether to wait for the linux64 pgo build on the merge below it or not
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# [07:06] <philor> I presume that's clean, because the merge on m-c didn't crash, but... I guess only busted on the merge to m-i is possible
# [07:06] <njn> Callek: he heading to Melbourne
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# [07:07] <njn> Callek: at least, he better be; that's where the meeting is
# [07:07] <darktrojan> hmm, seems everyone's travelling except me this month
# [07:07] <mbrubeck> awesome, merge conflicts
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# [07:09] <mbrubeck> three .rej files totalling 273 lines
# [07:10] <philor> so maybe Waldo's two no-bug followups were following that up?
# [07:10] <mbrubeck> Yeah
# [07:10] <mbrubeck> Need to back out both of those too
# [07:10] <philor> sweet
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# [07:15] <mbrubeck> push and pray
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# [07:15] <philor> what's the worst tha... yeah, I don't want to think about that
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# [07:17] <philor> pretty underwhelming day, looking at how much unfiled unstarred we're going to leave behind on a day when I think I filed six or seven
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# [07:19] <mbrubeck> the overall orange factor seems to be pretty good though
# [07:19] <mbrubeck> not that you can use http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ to check that right now...
# [07:19] <philor> the email was surprisingly low, I thought we were still up around 6
# [07:20] <mbrubeck> I think coalescing suppresses the number
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# [07:22] <philor> thanks for the backout
# [07:23] <qheaden> Unfocused: ping
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# [07:33] <Waldo> this is really weird; thunderstorm in Mountain View
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# [07:38] <philor> God gets angry about followups that are pushed as "no bug" and start hurling lightning bolts
# [07:40] <Waldo> hey, I was just cleaning up build bustage :-P
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# [07:40] <Waldo> God gets angrier about gcc spec deviations, and about clang error messages that aren't as precise as they could have been
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# [07:45] <philor> "fatal error C1001: An internal error has occurred in the compiler. LINK : fatal error LNK1000: Internal error during IMAGE::BuildImage"
# [07:45] <philor> oddly enough, not something I actually wanted to see at this time of night
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# [07:48] <glandium> Callek: it should build fine
# [07:48] <gcp> tree status: OPEN for bustage
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# [07:49] <philor> damn right it is, and it got what it asked for
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# [07:49] <philor> ugh, that's the "not enough address space for PGO message
# [07:50] <philor> on esr-10
# [07:50] <philor> with a patch to automation.py
# [07:50] <philor> fuck me running
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# [07:55] <philor> which, despite not having a milestone set, was fixed in December, which would have been 11
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# [08:15] * Waldo looks at that orange
# [08:15] <Waldo> notit
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# [08:19] <@dolske> PARSE AMBIGUITY
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# [08:25] <philor> hmm, "linker max virtual size: 3019960320"
# [08:25] <philor> that's not 3GB
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# [08:28] <Waldo> 3GB == 3221225472 bytes
# [08:28] <Waldo> could be the various legacy-compatibility holes in the 32-bit address space
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# [08:31] <heycam> better unload those TSRs to free up some more memory
# [08:31] <glazou> bonjour
# [08:31] <Waldo> hmm, glazou here, that means I probably shouldn't be :-)
# [08:31] <glazou> eheh
# [08:31] <Waldo> better than when I'd see you when I was on the east coast, at least
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# [08:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/10622eaff4fc - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 742780 follow-up: unbreak RIL and Wifi. r=mrbkap
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# [08:59] <@bz> glandium: ouch
# [08:59] <@bz> glandium: re 3.5
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# [09:00] <glandium> bz: everyone can have its load of torture. that's mine
# [09:01] <glandium> bz: i was supporting 3.0 until two months ago
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# [09:02] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [09:03] <glandium> Ms2ger speaks french now.
# [09:03] <KWierso> Ms2zou?
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# [09:04] <glandium> maybe he *is* glazou
# [09:04] <Ms2ger> Oops, wrong window
# [09:05] <@smaug> glandium: 3.5? seriously?
# [09:05] <@smaug> I feel sorry for you
# [09:05] <glandium> smaug: yes, seriously
# [09:06] <glandium> smaug: so far, the pain hasn't been immense with 3.6 being still supported
# [09:07] <glandium> is bugzilla down?
# [09:07] <glandium> ah no, works now
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# [09:10] <glazou> Ms2ger: lol
# [09:10] <glazou> salut kaze
# [09:10] <Ms2ger> Hi glazou :)
# [09:10] <glazou> Ms2ger: you speak french ?
# [09:11] <Ms2ger> Let's say I learned French at school
# [09:11] <kaze> salut glazou, hello world
# [09:11] <Ms2ger> So, not really
# [09:11] <kaze> Ms2ger: :)
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# [09:11] <glazou> sound like my "I learnt cheimstry at school"
# [09:11] <glazou> ;)
# [09:12] <glazou> chemistry even
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# [09:13] <glandium> Ms2ger: french people learch french at school, too
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# [09:16] <@smaug> hmm, if Ms2ger is from Belgium, he must be an alter-ego of peterv
# [09:17] * KWierso is envisioning glazou as a lion trainer in a circus show with a bunch of griffins...
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# [09:17] <glazou> ROFL
# [09:17] <Ms2ger> The alter ego that does reviews quickly? :)
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# [09:18] <Ms2ger> KWierso, well... Are your parents going to wake you up at dawn? :)
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# [09:19] <KWierso> Ms2ger: I would hope not
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# [09:19] <KWierso> that's in like 3-4 hours :)
# [09:19] <Mark_Capella> waldo: >squished< a bug B)
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# [09:20] <Mark_Capella> NSPR dies a painful death ... hee
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# [09:53] <@smaug> oh, interesting, I didn't know bing maps is so much nicer than google maps. yet another google service to get rid of
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# [09:54] <jwir3> smaug: Yeah, there are some nice things about bing maps for sure.
# [09:55] <Ms2ger> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2duz6NGKd1rqvy12o1_1280.jpg
# [09:55] <@smaug> only one service left... youtube. though, I don't use it too often
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# [09:55] <jwir3> smaug: What do you use for mail instead of gmail?
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# [09:55] <@smaug> olli@pettay.fi
# [09:55] <jwir3> ah
# [09:56] <Ms2ger> And what's behind that? mutt? :)
# [09:56] <jwir3> and is that connected to a google profile so you can get android apps? or do you have an iphone?
# [09:56] <@smaug> actually that email address is just a forwarder to my university email
# [09:57] <@smaug> Ms2ger: you see, it is good to be a student for a long time ;)
# [09:57] <Ms2ger> Ah, that's why you're still working on your thesis :)
# [09:57] <jwir3> heh
# [09:58] <Ms2ger> My university email isn't all that good...
# [09:58] <Ms2ger> So I guess I'd better study some to get out faster than you ;)
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# [09:59] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I wouldn't be too surprised if you get your MSc before me
# [09:59] <@smaug> though, it shouldn't take more than a month for me...
# [10:00] <Ms2ger> The question is, will you find that month somewhere in the next few years? :)
# [10:00] <@smaug> s/years/decades/
# [10:01] <glazou> eh
# [10:01] <glazou> you'll have a few free months when you retire ;-)
# [10:01] <Ms2ger> I doubt it :)
# [10:01] <glazou> yeah me too :-)
# [10:02] <glazou> I already know what I am going to do when I retire btw
# [10:02] <Ms2ger> Work on BlueGriffon? :)
# [10:02] <glazou> back to university
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# [10:03] <glazou> and studies in comparative linguistics
# [10:03] <@smaug> but when I retire, I'll just switch to horticulture... getting MSc from that wouldn't be bad
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# [10:03] <Ms2ger> So, now I'm wondering if smaug is going to get his Master's before glazou...
# [10:03] <glazou> Ms2ger: oh come on, I'm not _that_ old I still have 20 years to go before legal retirement
# [10:04] * glazou is half way through
# [10:05] <@smaug> the retirement age is getting higher and higher
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# [10:15] <Ms2ger> glazou_brb, hmm... 20 years, plus another 5 or so because the retirement age isn't going to stay put, plus, say, 5 years to get the degree...
# [10:15] <Ms2ger> I think it's going to be close
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# [10:16] <glazou> yeah
# [10:17] <@smaug> and before that the world has changed because of some eco-catastrophe (always so positive :) )
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# [10:20] <glandium> smaug: look how lucky we are, we'll get to see more and more problems with access to water, uranium shortage, petrol shortage, global warming, etc.
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# [10:23] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, don't we have bug 915 shirts yet? (re https://twitter.com/hsivonen/status/190032041365090304 )
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# [10:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a3974cd83d6e - Blake Kaplan - Bug 743614 - Deal with failure more gracefully. r=cjones
# [10:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7086b25fac2e - Blake Kaplan - Bug 743941 - Some small fixes to state tracking. Also move some logic out of the manager. r=cjones
# [10:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/63a7d74d01d8 - Fabien Cazenave - Bug 744417 - Fix mistakes in the initial implementation of forgetNetwork. r=mrbkap
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# [10:31] <NeilAway> glob: have you seen http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2dshdYeQF1rrf1eeo1_500.jpg
# [10:31] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [10:38] <glandium> NeilAway: funnily, the past dozen times i've used it, it worked
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# [10:47] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: 915 is low enough a number to look like a Validator.nu bug
# [10:53] <hsivonen> I don't like it when new work is interrupted by crashers in stuff a worked on earlier
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# [11:23] <Ms2ger> mrbkap, I trust you'll star m-c :)
# [11:24] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: uh
# [11:25] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: bah, I guess so.
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# [11:26] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: there aren't any suggestions.
# [11:26] <mounir> Ms2ger: dude, no one update a patch after 7 months :'(
# [11:26] <mounir> mrbkap: BACKOUT!
# [11:26] <Ms2ger> mounir, you didn't see that coming, did you? :)
# [11:26] <mounir> Ms2ger: clearly not
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# [11:26] <mounir> hopefully, you will not see the review coming ;)
# [11:27] <mrbkap> mounir: I refuse to backout a NPOTB patch over rando-orange.
# [11:27] <gaston> oh ENABLE_ASSEMBLER/METHODJIT/YARR_JIT/JIT i hate thou!
# [11:29] <Ms2ger> Want me to do it instead? :)
# [11:29] <mounir> Ms2ger: please, and you will get poneys :)
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# [11:56] <Ms2ger> glazou, and then do your taxes yourself? :)
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# [11:57] <glazou> that's the problem
# [11:57] <glazou> she just sent a ton of paper to read/sign/pay
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# [11:57] <glazou> the deadline is _now_
# [11:57] <glazou> I think I am going to refuse the invoice this time...
# [11:58] <glazou> I still would like to understand why the average hourly wage of an accountant is the double of an engineer's...
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# [12:02] <mak> well, my accountant told me I'd gain more as a bricklayer, than as a developer. Though I think I'd gain more as an accountant.
# [12:02] <glazou> exactly
# [12:02] <glazou> even if you lose, they still win
# [12:04] <Ms2ger> 4.12 + if (mDocument->GetReadyStateEnum() == nsIDocument::READYSTATE_COMPLETE) {
# [12:04] <Ms2ger> 4.13 + // This is weird
# [12:04] <Ms2ger> 4.14 + MOZ_ASSERT(mDocument->GetReadyStateEnum() ==
# [12:04] <Ms2ger> 4.15 + nsIDocument::READYSTATE_LOADING, "Bad readyState");
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# [12:06] <mak> nice comment
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# [12:08] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> Anyone else get
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#es-sequence
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> Er
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> remote: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
# [12:09] <Ms2ger> When pushing/pulling over ssh?
# [12:09] <glandium> Ms2ger: i do
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# [12:16] <glandium> Ms2ger: that never prevented pushes from working, though
# [12:18] <Ms2ger> glandium, huh, really? It did for me
# [12:18] <glandium> maybe that was a different message i was getting, then
# [12:18] <glandium> s/was/am/
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# [12:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cb2e81306595 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [12:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1b6f644f276e - Victor Porof - Bug 741322 - Refactor debugger UI, make it slimmer; r=past
# [12:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/51fe735d19a9 - Tim Taubert - Bug 726347 - [Page Thumbnails] add preference to disable capturing thumbnails in the background; r=dao
# [12:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6edf254d7e5b - Bellindira Castillo [:bellindira] - Bug 737032 - add isValidXULTab() method to ease tab checking r=ttaubert
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# [12:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f91fefdfcc51 - Tim Taubert - Bug 744743 - [Page Thumbnails] Don't capture thumbnails in private browsing mode; r=dao
# [12:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2d2f4357809f - Rob Campbell - merge
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# [12:35] <mounir> s/app/tab/
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# [13:01] <glazou> gandalf: how do you say "padding" (CSS) in polish?
# [13:02] <Ms2ger> "padding"
# [13:02] <glazou> Ms2ger: I remind you you speak french, not polish ;-)
# [13:02] <Ms2ger> "paddìng"? :)
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# [13:03] * glazou wonders if "wyściółka" is correct
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# [13:05] <glazou> ah no that's "dopełnienie" I suppose
# [13:05] <gandalf> glazou: no
# [13:05] <gandalf> glazou: no
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# [13:05] <glazou> ah
# [13:05] <glazou> let me know then :)
# [13:05] <gandalf> wanna keep guessing? :D
# [13:05] <glazou> I can yes
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# [13:06] <glazou> marginesy wewnętrzne?
# [13:06] <gandalf> yeah, one option
# [13:06] <gandalf> nice!
# [13:06] <glazou> eheh
# [13:06] <gandalf> the other is "odstęp"
# [13:06] <glazou> what's the other ?
# [13:06] <gandalf> the third is "dopełnienie" - but I hate it
# [13:06] <glazou> what's the most common please
# [13:06] <gandalf> heh :>
# [13:07] <gandalf> go for "odstęp"
# [13:07] <glazou> so I have an L10N aviary contributor shooting for one, a bluegriffon L10N contributor shooting for the second, and you for a third
# [13:07] <gandalf> oh, awesome
# [13:07] <glazou> hey, what's the problem with you guys in Poland ? ;-)
# [13:07] <gandalf> well, the most precize translation is just too long
# [13:08] <glazou> the corresponding bugzilla bug almost ended up in a fight
# [13:08] <gandalf> so we have alternative ones which are easier to use
# [13:08] * Ms2ger is still shooting for "padding" :)
# [13:08] <gandalf> glazou: bug id?
# [13:08] * glazou patpats Ms2ger and continues to speak with gandalf
# [13:08] <Ms2ger> :D
# [13:08] <gandalf> (from the description of the conversation I can almost blindly guess who are those guys, but anyway)
# [13:08] <glazou> 252 in bugzilla.bluegriffon.org
# [13:08] * Ms2ger lets the old people talk
# [13:09] <glazou> Ms2ger: remember Alan Parsons song ? "Old and Wise"
# [13:09] <Ms2ger> No, that must be from before my time
# [13:09] <glazou> man it was roughly 27 years ago...
# [13:10] <Ms2ger> Long before my time
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# [13:12] <gandalf> glazou: so, "dopełnienie" is ok, "margines wewnętrzny" is ok and "odstęp" is ok. I'd go for odstęp, then for dopełnienie and I would not go for margines wewnętrzny despite it being the most accurate one ;)
# [13:12] <gandalf> welcome to Polish 101 :)
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# [13:12] <glazou> sigh :)
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# [13:14] <glazou> gandalf: basically you're telling me Rafał's translation are more accurate than Stefan's...
# [13:14] <gandalf> yes
# [13:14] <glazou> translations even
# [13:14] <gandalf> well
# [13:14] <glazou> ok
# [13:14] * glazou is unable to decide since he does not speak polish
# [13:14] <gandalf> I'm saying that *this* term has been more accurately translated by Rafał
# [13:14] <glazou> ok
# [13:14] <gandalf> I don't know about the others
# [13:14] <glazou> that helps
# [13:14] <gandalf> Stefan is usually quite accurate with his translations, but when he's wrong he's pretty stubborn :)
# [13:14] <glazou> thanks a lot gandalf
# [13:14] <gandalf> as in
# [13:15] <glazou> lol
# [13:15] <gandalf> he has hard time addmiting it
# [13:15] <gandalf> he's not that stubborn about his version but rather his position in a conversation which is what I always have to game around by letting him feel that he made the wise choice of changing his mind ;D
# [13:15] <gandalf> psychology 101 ;P
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# [13:17] <Ms2ger> Fun
# [13:21] <glazou> gandalf: one last question please
# [13:21] <glazou> "Tip of the Day" = "Podpowiedź dnia" or "Porada dnia" ?
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# [13:26] <gandalf> glazou: I'd go for the latter, just cause it's shorter. Former is once again more accurate, but the latter is ok as well and it's shorter which is a scare value in polish ;D
# [13:26] <gandalf> scarce
# [13:27] <glazou> and I have same problem again then
# [13:27] <@smaug> how do I get rid of that über-annoying "nightly safe mode" dialog?
# [13:27] <hsivonen> gandalf: isn't stuff like this established in Windows localizations?
# [13:28] <gandalf> hsivonen: no
# [13:29] <gandalf> windows localization is crappy
# [13:29] <Ms2ger> Rafał wrote it? ;)
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# [13:29] <gandalf> they're actually copying from us
# [13:29] <gandalf> as in, IE8/IE9 copied a lot from Firefox pl
# [13:30] <glazou> world domination, at last !
# [13:30] <gandalf> you mean, for firefox or for poland? ;D
# [13:31] <gabor> so let's say I want to implement a getter for the member: nsRefPtr<nsXPCComponents> mComponents ... what is the prefered way to do that?
# [13:31] <@smaug> gabor: define readonly attribute in the idl?
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# [13:31] <Ms2ger> nsXPCComponents *GetComponents { return mComponents; }
# [13:32] * @smaug is missing the context
# [13:32] <Ms2ger> With an () somewhere
# [13:32] <@smaug> Ms2ger: expect that the space should be after the star, before ;)
# [13:32] <Ms2ger> smaug, not in XPConnect :(
# [13:33] <gabor> smaug: I want to call it from c++ Ms2ger: simple as that? great...
# [13:33] <@smaug> we should run xpconnect and js code through some "make this code use readable coding style" tool
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# [13:33] <gabor> I was affraid that I have to use all kind of woodoo like already_AddRefed
# [13:34] <@smaug> if you want ensure that the caller keeps the thing alive, then you should return already_AddRefed
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# [13:36] <Ms2ger> Hmm
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# [13:36] <gabor> I would prefer the simple version Ms2ger suggested, but if that is against some guidelines I can use already_AddRefed return value, IF I can figure out how to implement such a getter
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# [13:37] <Ms2ger> gabor, that would be as simple as { nsRefPtr<nsXPCComponents> components = mComponents; return components.forget(); }
# [13:37] <Ms2ger> But I don't think there's a need here
# [13:38] <gabor> Ms2ger: right, I'll use the first version but thanks for the info, the docs, are quite confusing about this (for me at least)
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# [13:39] <Ms2ger> already_AddRefed is good for cases where you create an object, so you don't pass it around with refcount 0
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# [13:39] <@smaug> and also for cases when you want that the caller keeps the object alive
# [13:40] <gabor> Ms2ger: hmm... makes sense, so for example like a 'forget' method?
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# [13:41] <Ms2ger> Mm
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# [13:43] <Ms2ger> nsRadioGroupStruct* radioGroup = GetRadioGroup(aName);
# [13:44] <Ms2ger> NS_ENSURE_SUCCESS(radioGroup, NS_ERROR_FAILURE);
# [13:44] <Ms2ger> Nice one, mounir :)
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# [13:47] <mounir> Ms2ger: ?
# [13:48] <Ms2ger> s/SUCCESS/TRUE/
# [13:48] <mounir> Ms2ger: tsss ;)
# [13:48] <mounir> you got the idea
# [13:48] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [13:49] <Ms2ger> I'll fix that in half a year
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# [13:49] <mounir> deal :)
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# [14:11] <@smaug> why do I get <optimized out> in gdb
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# [14:11] <@smaug> when debugging a debug build
# [14:11] <bjacob> smaug: --enabled-debug does not imply --disable-optimize
# [14:11] <bjacob> smaug: in particular, our tinderbox debug builds are optimized now, since a few months
# [14:12] <@smaug> ah
# [14:12] <@smaug> indeed, I'm using an old .mozconfig
# [14:12] <@smaug> grr
# [14:12] <@smaug> this new thing doesn't make sense
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# [14:13] <bjacob> smaug: it was done to save cpu cycles on test slaves.
# [14:13] * @smaug tries to hunt this leak couple of days more
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# [14:14] <@smaug> test slaves could use whatever settings
# [14:14] <bjacob> smaug: let me know if it might be a reference cycle leak, i have a shiny tool :)
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# [14:15] <@smaug> bjacob: well, this is some leak reference leak yes
# [14:15] <@smaug> bjacob: very hard to reproduce
# [14:15] <bjacob> could be a cycle?
# [14:15] <@smaug> bjacob: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743178
# [14:16] <@smaug> bjacob: my guess is that necko keeps stuff alive too long
# [14:16] <@smaug> but that is just a guess
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# [14:16] <bjacob> smaug: valgrind tool here to find reference cycles: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704240
# [14:16] <@smaug> I've managed to get this only once to a debug build, and now the debug build wasn't really a debug build after all
# [14:17] <@smaug> bjacob: there isn't that kind of cycle
# [14:17] <@smaug> cycle collector knows that
# [14:18] <@smaug> something outside the world that cycle collector knows about keeps a reference
# [14:18] <bjacob> smaug: that is exactly what my valgrind tool tries to find :)
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# [14:19] <@smaug> I thought it was for cycles
# [14:19] <bjacob> smaug: it scans all heap blocks, scans for pointers to other blocks
# [14:19] <bjacob> no, though cycles was the main application i had in mind
# [14:19] <bjacob> HOWTO in comment 2
# [14:20] <@smaug> bjacob: so how do I use that tool?
# [14:20] <bjacob> comment 2 tells you :)
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# [14:20] <@smaug> bjacob: is it slow?
# [14:21] <bjacob> smaug: slow like anything valgrind, but much faster than the memcheck (default) tool
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# [14:21] <@smaug> since this bug happens usually once in two days, even with opt
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# [14:21] <@smaug> and not so often with debug
# [14:21] <bjacob> smaug: it would be a lot faster if you could do it on a O1 build at least
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# [14:22] <bjacob> indeed
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# [14:27] <Ms2ger> Gah
# [14:27] <Ms2ger> C++--
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# [14:29] <Ms2ger> smaug, do you know what nsRange::mRoot is for?
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# [14:32] <@smaug> Ms2ger: you mean where it is used?
# [14:33] <Ms2ger> Oh, GetBindingParent()
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# [14:35] <no_gravity> Hello! Is there no way anymore to resize a browser window? I dont mean for a website. I mean for *me*. When I do javascript:window.resizeTo(1024,768) nothing happens. Also in the console, window.resizeTo(1024,768) does not work. Whats up with this?
# [14:35] <Ms2ger> In the right bottom corner of the window, there is a grip you can use
# [14:35] <@smaug> :)
# [14:36] <no_gravity> Ms2ger: but it does not tell me the size. so how do i test websites for different standard sizes now?
# [14:37] <no_gravity> If its some new security thing, i could understand if its not allowed for websites. But in a bookmarklet or in the console?
# [14:37] <Ms2ger> Bookmarklets should work, I think
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# [14:37] <Ms2ger> Note that that's different from javascript: URLs
# [14:37] <no_gravity> Ms2ger: i have it in a bookmarklet.
# [14:38] <no_gravity> Ms2ger: it used to work. but it stopped.
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> smaug, so what would you call a function for http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#concept-range-root , as GetRoot() is taken?
# [14:38] * NeilAway just fakes it with zoom, for instance 128% zoom fakes 1024x768 on a 800x600 screen ;-)
# [14:38] <NeilAway> otherway around, fakes 800x600 on a 1024x768 screen
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# [14:40] <@smaug> Ms2ger: well, what is the difference?
# [14:41] <@smaug> we do have the special case of anon content, but in normal cases GetRoot() should return you the right thing
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# [14:41] <@smaug> or am I reading the spec wrong
# [14:41] <Ms2ger> Hm
# [14:41] <@smaug> (I don't think so)
# [14:42] <Ms2ger> So what does GetBindingParent() return?
# [14:43] <@smaug> the binding parent :)
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# [14:43] <no_gravity> "Solved" it with this monstrocity now: javascript: w=window.open(location.href); w.resizeTo(1024,768)
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# [14:43] <@smaug> Ms2ger: if you have non-nested anon content, binding parent is the first non-anon element
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# [14:44] <@smaug> bindingparent is all gecko-only
# [14:44] <Ms2ger> I'm confused by the assertion in DoSetRange, now
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> Oh, '||'
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> smaug, alright, I get it now :)
# [14:47] <@smaug> it is the !aRoot->GetNodeParent() ...
# [14:47] <@smaug> which happens normally
# [14:47] * Ms2ger grumbles about 12-line assertions
# [14:48] <Ms2ger> Also, yay, code removal!
# [14:48] <@smaug> Ms2ger: those assertions are good
# [14:49] <@smaug> very useful ones
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> I'll believe that
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> Readable, OTOH...
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# [14:57] <Ms2ger> mounir, thanks :)
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# [14:58] <mounir> Ms2ger: I don't want to fight with you ;)
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# [14:58] <Ms2ger> Good decision :)
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# [15:28] <Ms2ger> It's nice to see that we can still get things like #include "ScaeldFontBase.h" landed
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# [15:30] <mounir> Ms2ger: the original file name is mistyped too? :)
# [15:30] <mounir> (or there is a build issue?)
# [15:30] <Ms2ger> NPOTB
# [15:31] <ted> #include "ScældFontBase.h"
# [15:31] <bjacob> ted: that would only work with certain fonts
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# [15:32] <ted> heh
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# [15:34] <Ms2ger> glazou, de nada
# [15:35] <humph> bjacob: you know about http://webglstats.com/ ?
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# [15:35] <bjacob> humph: i do
# [15:35] <bjacob> the canuse page is really useful;
# [15:35] <bjacob> http://webglstats.com/canuse.html
# [15:36] <Ms2ger> Fascinating how 96.7% of browsers support OES_texture_float, while only 48.9% support WebGL
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# [15:36] <humph> neat, it has pointer lock
# [15:36] <bjacob> Ms2ger: the % webgl support part of these stats is the least useful as the audience is skewed. also, obviously the 99% is among people who have webgl
# [15:37] <Ms2ger> humph, nobody has pointer lock ;)
# [15:37] <bjacob> humph: actually there is 1 firefox user recorded there
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# [15:37] <bjacob> and 20 chrome
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# [15:37] <humph> ted: and gamepad
# [15:38] <humph> http://webglstats.com/#h_gamepads
# [15:38] <ted> huh
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# [15:39] <Ms2ger> (Did I mention my hate for webgl lately, btw?)
# [15:39] <sheppy> Aww
# [15:40] <sheppy> And I was about to suggest we use it to render our entire UI. :)
# [15:40] <humph> +1
# [15:41] <ted> we already sort of do
# [15:41] <ted> we use opengl for accelerated compositing on osx/linux when your drivers don't suck
# [15:41] <ted> and d3d on windows
# [15:41] <sheppy> Well then, there you go.
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# [15:42] <sheppy> We switched to OpenGL for rendering the BeOS UI back in 2000, so it's about time. :)
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# [15:59] <sheppy> Haha yeah. :)
# [15:59] <sheppy> I'm still slightly heartbroken that Be didn't make it. :)
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# [16:36] <philor> oh, fun, backing out bhackett didn't fix the linux64 pgo xpcshell crash
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# [16:39] <jlebar> "debug/dist/bin/modules/services-common/async.js" ?
# [16:39] <jlebar> er, rather, cannot make symbolic link, ^^, bad address ?
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# [16:40] <bhackett> mbrubeck: ping
# [16:42] <philor> speak of the devil
# [16:43] <bhackett> philor: about that test_finalizer.js crash
# [16:43] <philor> or more accurately, the dead human who turned out to not be a witch
# [16:43] <philor> bhackett: yeah, since it wasn't you, who was it?
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# [16:43] <bhackett> philor: dunno
# [16:44] <bhackett> philor: so can I reland?
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# [16:45] <philor> wtf, it was the merge from m-c, despite m-c being unaffected?
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# [16:45] <Yoric> test_finalizer.js?
# [16:45] <Yoric> Sounds like I could be guilty.
# [16:45] <Yoric> What crash are you mentioning?
# [16:45] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10867310&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [16:46] <Yoric> er, that's new
# [16:46] <philor> your guilt picked an odd time to show itself, if you are guilty
# [16:46] <Yoric> But yes, I'm the one who wrote both that test and the underlying lib.
# [16:46] <Yoric> What do you mean?
# [16:46] <philor> that's permaorange on inbound linux64 pgo only
# [16:46] <Yoric> :/
# [16:46] <Yoric> I hadn't seen it.
# [16:47] <Yoric> I'll get on it immediately.
# [16:47] <philor> it started failing on yesterday morning's merge from m-c
# [16:47] <Yoric> Sorry, I had not seen that orange.
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# [16:47] <philor> a merge which contained almost nothing
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# [16:48] <Yoric> I suspect that the issue is with the test itself, checking right now.
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# [16:48] <mbrubeck> near-perma-orange, it looks like...
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# [16:50] <jlebar> ted, Do you know what "nsinstall cannot create symbolic link dist/bin/modules/services-common/async.js: Bad address" is about? Clean checkout, clobber build...
# [16:50] <bhackett> mbrubeck/Yoric: so can I reland?
# [16:50] <bhackett> er, philor ^^^
# [16:50] <Yoric> bhackett: What was backed out exactly?
# [16:51] <bhackett> Yoric: a large JS patch
# [16:51] <mbrubeck> Yoric: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/906aa73122d9
# [16:51] <mbrubeck> bhackett: Yes -- I was about to re-land your and Waldo's patches
# [16:51] <bhackett> mbrubeck: ok, cool. thanks
# [16:52] <@ted> jlebar: never heard of it
# [16:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d373afa244ee - Joel Maher - Bug 745129 - upload a new talos.zip to include raw results and saved off minidumps. r=armenzg
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# [16:52] <jlebar> :-/
# [16:52] <Yoric> Building on Linux64 now.
# [16:52] <bhackett> mbrubeck: can you do the relanding?
# [16:52] <mbrubeck> bhackett: yes
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# [17:00] <Yoric> Ok, I suspect that the error is triggered after the end of the test.
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# [17:11] <firebot> Check-in:
# [17:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cc61009b3f06 - Marco Zehe - Turn on logging for Bug 708927 - Intermittent test_focus_menu.xul | Test timed out, sometimes followed by tens of thousands of gA11yEventListeners is undefined exceptions, r=surkov
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# [17:14] <Yoric> philor: testing fix
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# [17:29] <Yoric> philor: While it is compiling, can you explain something for me?
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# [17:29] <Yoric> Where could I find the info that it was Linux64 PGO permaorange?
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# [17:31] <philor> Yoric: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [17:31] <Yoric> What should I look at exactly?
# [17:31] <philor> plus the green down-arrow at the bottom
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# [17:32] <Yoric> Ah, I see that some builds have pgo.
# [17:32] <Yoric> Not all.
# [17:32] <Yoric> Never noticed that.
# [17:32] <philor> with the added fun that we only run PGO every, um, either 3 or 6 hours, except that once it started looking busted, I triggered it on a bunch of pushes
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# [17:32] <Yoric> ok
# [17:33] <Yoric> This is my first contact with a PGO-specific bug.
# [17:33] <Yoric> So please accept my apologies.
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# [17:33] <Yoric> So, in the future, I should send stuff to the TryServer twice, once regular and once with the PGO TryServer hack?
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# [17:35] <Yoric> Also, how comes I do not see any orange on xpcshell tests for Linux64 PGO on inbound?
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# [17:35] <Yoric> (at least on my test)
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# [17:39] <Bas> jfkthame: pong
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# [17:40] <mbrubeck> Yoric: Try https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=Rev3%20Fedora%2012x64%20mozilla-inbound%20pgo%20test%20xpcshell
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# [17:41] <Yoric> My problem is mostly: how do I prevent this from happening again?
# [17:41] <Yoric> If I cannot see that there is an error, I cannot fix it.
# [17:41] <mbrubeck> Yoric: Not sure... PGO-only bugs are rare but not nonexistant... we've seen maybe 3 or 4 in the past year?
# [17:41] <Yoric> Say, next time I toy with garbage-collection.
# [17:41] <Ms2ger> mbrubeck, the current year, you mean ;)
# [17:42] <jfkthame> Bas: hey - i wondered if you'd be willing to do a quick review of a tiny patch for me
# [17:42] <mbrubeck> If you have a reasonable suspicion that your code is PGO-sensitive, then you can do two Try pushes
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# [17:42] <jfkthame> Bas: bug 744480 ....
# [17:42] <mbrubeck> otherwise, I think the best we can do is detect and clean up after the fact like we are now.
# [17:42] <jfkthame> Bas: i flagged jdaggett but i figure he's gone for the weekend, and i'd like to get it landed as it's a crasher
# [17:42] <Yoric> Well, I had no clue that my code could be PGO-sensitive.
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> Morning, bz
# [17:42] <Yoric> I am still quite unsure as to what happens.
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# [17:43] <Yoric> The only think I know for sure is that the crash happens after the test is complete.
# [17:43] <jimm> smaug: ping
# [17:43] <@smaug> jimm: pong
# [17:43] <Yoric> Which is a little too late to run the gc.
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# [17:44] <jimm> smaug: hey, curious what your feeling are on touch events? are we going with the current w3c standard for now?
# [17:44] <jdm> mjessome: did we ever implement the permission check for feedback+ on autolanded patches?
# [17:44] <jdm> if not, could we?
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# [17:44] <jimm> smaug: asking because I need to hook up win8 metro to something.
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# [17:44] <@smaug> jimm: mbrubeck knows more than me... but the patent situation isn't good
# [17:45] <jimm> ok
# [17:45] <jimm> mbrubeck: ^ any thoughts?
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# [17:45] <jdm> mjessome: out of curiosity, where is the autoland source?
# [17:46] <mbrubeck> jimm: Right now the only IP issues we're worried about are patent *applications* (not issues patents - yet) so at least we can ship the current W3C draft without infringing anything currently
# [17:46] <mjessome> jdm: no, I've been too busy moving over to new servers & getting the bmo interface working & to pass security requirements which will get rid of the need for review/feedback+
# [17:46] <@smaug> jimm: the situation is like, Apple being evil as usually, and we and W3C etc need to think what to do now
# [17:46] <mbrubeck> jimm: I'd use the W3C stuff, since it's already implemented in Android and in XUL Fennec
# [17:46] <mjessome> jdm: hg.mozilla.org/build/autoland
# [17:46] <mbrubeck> (just need to fix https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743325 for xul fennec)
# [17:46] <@smaug> mbrubeck: ah, right patent applications ...
# [17:47] <jimm> mbrubeck: ah, neat, didn't realize xul fennec was already hooked up.
# [17:47] <jlebar> gps, ping
# [17:47] <@smaug> XUL fennec has had (single) touch events since last summer
# [17:47] <mbrubeck> jimm: Yeah, ask me or wesj if you have any questions about that. It's slightly broken right now because of the bug I just linked.
# [17:48] <jimm> I'll take a look at that
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# [17:50] <froydnj> jlebar: I just ran into that nsinstall problem, too, on two different builds
# [17:50] <jlebar> froydnj, First bad rev is 579f1d93, due to gps.
# [17:51] <jlebar> froydnj, I'm filing a bug. :)
# [17:51] <froydnj> jlebar: cool, thanks!
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# [17:51] <jlebar> froydnj, What platform are you on?
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# [17:52] <froydnj> jlebar: x86-64 linux
# [17:52] <NeilAway> jimm: I wanted to try out your patches but I just pulled and I can't get them to apply :s
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# [17:52] <jimm> NeilAway: hmm
# [17:52] <NeilAway> well, 2 and 5 do, but not 3 or 4
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# [17:52] <jimm> NeilAway: let me do a base pull and see what's broken
# [17:53] <NeilAway> jimm: ok
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# [17:53] <jimm> NeilAway: prepare for some bug spam :)
# [17:54] <jimm> NeilAway: hmm, not having any problems. did you apply the prelim cleanup patch bbondy approved?
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# [17:54] <jlebar> froydnj, gps https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745209
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# [17:55] <jimm> NeilAway: I'll post them all again to be safe
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# [17:57] <Bas> jfkthame: Done.
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# [17:58] <@bz> Uh
# [17:58] <@bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745141
# [17:58] <@bz> wtf?
# [17:58] <jdm> mjessome: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1567742 :)
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# [18:01] <jlebar> gps, I dunno what it means either. :)
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# [18:02] <@bz> jlebar: ping
# [18:03] <jlebar> bz, I see...sec.
# [18:04] <@bz> jlebar: ok
# [18:04] <@ted> jlebar: look at nsinstall.c, i guess
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# [18:04] <@ted> or get the failing command and try to debug it
# [18:05] <Yoric> Double-checked and triple-checked and I don't know what causes that test crash :/
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# [18:07] <mjessome> cool, thanks jdm. I'll toss it in there
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# [18:09] <Yoric> Is there a way to get the profile used by TryServer for PGO?
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# [18:09] <Yoric> Or does that even make any sense?
# [18:09] <mjessome> jdm: that breaks a few other things, but the other things won't be in use until the bugzilla ui is in place. When I had originally looked into doing it, I wanted to avoid those breakages.
# [18:09] <jdm> ah, I see
# [18:10] <jlebar> bz, Okay, yeah, that's bizarre, and kind of troubling. I'll look through the code which calls discard and see if there's anything which might be running off-main-thread.
# [18:10] <jlebar> bz, Like, even if we dispatched explicitly to main thread, the discard tracker itself is not thread-safe!
# [18:10] <jlebar> And when I finish that, I guess I get to debug nsinstall. Ohboy. :)
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# [18:11] <jimm> NeilAway: I didn't add r? to those. If you want me to I can.
# [18:12] <jlebar> joe, Can imgFrame::~imgFrame() run off the main thread?
# [18:12] <jlebar> joe, Or, I guess, imgFrame::Init, or imgFrame::Optimize?
# [18:13] <@bz> jlebar: fun
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# [18:25] <jst> anyone else seeing nsinstall errors in mozilla/services/common?
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# [18:29] <froydnj> jst: bug 745209
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# [18:30] <Yoric> philor|away: Well, unfortunately, I can confirm that the problem appears in my code, I can tell you almost exactly where, not quite when, and I have no clue why.
# [18:30] <Yoric> philor|away: Some people on jsapi suggest it could be a PGO bug and not a bug in my code.
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# [18:32] <mbrubeck> Yoric: And now it's showing up on m-c *before* the merge from inbound to m-c (?!)
# [18:32] <Yoric> mbrubeck: Which means when?
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# [18:32] <mbrubeck> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?jobname=Rev3%20Fedora%2012x64%20mozilla-central%20pgo%20test%20xpcshell (and hit down arrow)
# [18:32] <mbrubeck> it first shows up on m-c on 10622eaff4fc
# [18:32] <mbrubeck> (philikon's push from last night)
# [18:33] <mbrubeck> which is not near either merge
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# [18:35] <Yoric> mbrubeck: :/
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# [18:35] <jst> gps: ?
# [18:36] <Yoric> So we have a bug that may be related to my patch or may just have never been noticed before, or may be due to PGO...
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# [18:37] <Yoric> And since PGO is non-reproducible iirc, there is no guarantee that I can even reproduce it.
# [18:37] <Yoric> great
# [18:37] <Yoric> Just what I need at the end of the week :)
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# [18:38] <mbrubeck> It's "only" orange 19/20 times on inbound. :/
# [18:38] * mbrubeck fears another code size threshold changing PGO output
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# [18:38] <froydnj> it looks like services/common/Makefile.in is now the only place nsinstall -l gets used
# [18:38] <Yoric> Well, my PGO build is currently gathering its profile.
# [18:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/aa3b4c2feb42 - Mark Finkle - Backing out e481b6ffc60b (bug 691061) because it breaks 'save as pdf' in Fennec (bug 704185)
# [18:39] <Yoric> If I can reproduce the bug, I will at least know which finalizer is executed whereas it should not.
# [18:39] <gps> ted: what did I do wrong in services/common/Makefile.in?
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# [18:41] <mbrubeck> On https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=1587faab5e5c the onchange build was green but the nightly was orange
# [18:42] <froydnj> gps: I think -l may just be busted
# [18:42] <gps> so I remove -l and it magically works?
# [18:42] <froydnj> maybe s/-l/-R/
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# [18:43] <jimm> KaiRo: that would need to be an android build correct?
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# [18:44] <froydnj> yeah, I think -R does what you want
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# [18:45] <jst> gps: s/-l/-R/ at least makes the build stage succeed
# [18:45] <gps> I'm testing that change locally as well. in a meeting though
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# [18:47] <Yoric> mbrubeck: Well, for the moment, I am baffled.
# [18:47] <Yoric> I will try again once I find time, but this will probably be Monday.
# [18:48] <mbrubeck> Not much we can really do... there's nothing to back out (unless we want to revert all of the last two days).
# [18:48] <zzzzz> O_O
# [18:48] <mbrubeck> I'll ask in #build if there were any changes to the Linux build slaves/compiler/etc. yesterday
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# [18:49] <Yoric> Frankly, atm, I see two most likely hypotheses: a. there is a bug in my code or test and I am not smart/awake enough to find it or b. there is a bug somewhere else and I am just the first one who writes a test that can trigger it.
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# [18:50] <Yoric> I will work from the first hypothesis, once I have gotten lots of sleep.
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# [18:50] <mbrubeck> sounds good. :)
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# [18:51] <mbrubeck> Yoric: How new is this test?
# [18:51] <mbrubeck> Guess I'll use MXR. :P
# [18:52] <mbrubeck> ah, so it landed on Wednesday https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?changeset=ce72679ffb95
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# [18:53] <mbrubeck> and was green for about 29 hours and then became perma-orange. :/
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# [18:55] <mbrubeck> Oh wait, the test was backed out and then re-landed?
# [18:55] <mbrubeck> on Wednesday afternoon
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# [18:55] <mbrubeck> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?changeset=26eb08593f89
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# [18:55] <mbrubeck> so it was actually green for "only" 19 hours before becoming perma-orange. Still doesn't make sense. :/
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# [18:59] <mbrubeck> no, the re-landing had a clobber Linux64 pgo build and was green.
# [18:59] <mbrubeck> and the first oranges were also clobbers.
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# [19:01] <NeilAway> jimm: oh, that too?
# [19:01] <Ms2ger> We're Testing Click-to-Play Option For Plugin Content?
# [19:02] <gps> froydnj: I'm testing a clobber now
# [19:02] <jimm> NeilAway: I posted them all!
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# [19:03] <Standard8> mfinkle: I can't see how xpcshell opt linux 64 test failures due to crashes can be bug 579542...
# [19:03] <Standard8> mfinkle: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=cc61009b3f06
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# [19:03] <jimm> NeilAway: apply every one of those and your progress meters on windows will magically stop looking like crap. :)
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# [19:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/018cac438918 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 731494 - Use nsinstall properly in services/common/Makefile.in; r=bustage
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# [19:12] <gps> nsinstall bustage landed on m-c
# [19:12] <gps> fix landed :)
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# [19:24] <mbrubeck> jorendorff: r? to you for a test-disabling patch
# [19:24] <mbrubeck> (bug 745233)
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# [19:25] <myk> bsmedberg: another thought i have is to rename the webapprt executable to webapprt-stub, which would enable us to land the second launcher/shell patch, which creates a webapprt/ subdirectory, at a later date without that subdir's name contending with the name of the stub executable
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# [19:25] <myk> bsmedberg: deciding to always host the stub executable in the top-level Firefox install dir, even if the rest of the files eventually migrate to a webapprt/ subdir
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# [19:28] <jorendorff> mbrubeck: looking
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# [19:29] <@bsmedberg> myk: I'm confused, I think
# [19:29] <@bsmedberg> oh, I see, the directory name would be the same as the executable name
# [19:30] <@bsmedberg> myk: I don't much care, -stub sounds ok
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# [19:30] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: I need advice, and my manager's on pto
# [19:30] <@bsmedberg> ok
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# [19:30] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: bug 745233 is r?me
# [19:31] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: it would disable a test because the test crashes the browser, reproducibly, on linux pgo only
# [19:31] <myk> bsmedberg: naming taken from xulrunner; and might also make it clearer that the executable is intended to be copied rather than run in place
# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> ugh
# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> myk: indeed
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# [19:31] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: do we know why it fails? Can the failure be reproduced running the downloaded builds?
# [19:32] <@bsmedberg> that doesn't sound like the kind of test-disablement we want
# [19:32] <myk> bsmedberg: which is perhaps another reason to leave the stub at the top level even as we migrate everything else to a subdir
# [19:32] <mbrubeck> jorendorff, bsmedberg: Alternately we could try backing out all of bug 720771.
# [19:32] <jorendorff> bsmedberg: I don't know. Yoric knows, but he just signed off an hour or two ago (he's based in paris I think?)
# [19:32] <jorendorff> mbrubeck: I was thinking that
# [19:32] <jorendorff> mbrubeck: certainly if the bug is reproducible, backing out the whole thing seems better to me
# [19:33] <mbrubeck> okay, I'll see if it backs out cleanly
# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> I think that backing out is preferable if this needs to be solved immediately.
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# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> If we can wait for Yoric to answer some questions, I would wait
# [19:33] <philor> is it the one that landed with busted unrotting and got backed out or not actually and we don't even know what's really in the tree?
# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> but if this is a real failure backout is probably the best anyway
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# [19:33] <mbrubeck> philor: yeah, pretty much
# [19:33] <philor> HG REVERT!
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# [19:34] <philor> my memory of Tuesday is that things were pretty okay then
# [19:34] <jorendorff> http://trenchescomic.com/comic/post/11230
# [19:34] <myk> bsmedberg: perhaps you can note that in your review; although i can also submit updated patches pretty quickly
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# [19:40] <@bsmedberg> myk: who do I talk to about the comment "Due to the way we launch another process from within our Mac pseudo-app, the webapp ends up launching in the background. This fixes it."
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# [19:42] <@bsmedberg> what cycle is on -central now?
# [19:42] <@bsmedberg> 14 or 15?
# [19:42] <Ms2ger> 14
# [19:42] <@bz> 14
# [19:42] <@bz> we still live in the past. ;)
# [19:43] <@bsmedberg> I want a "whattrainisitnow.com" site
# [19:43] <@ted> shouldn't be that hard
# [19:43] <@ted> just hardcode the dates, right?
# [19:43] <myk> bsmedberg: danwalkowski wrote that particular piece
# [19:43] <Ms2ger> Calculate the dates?
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# [19:44] <Mook_as> ted: pull it from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/raw-file/tip/config/milestone.txt ?
# [19:44] <@ted> Mook_as: ooh, clever
# [19:44] <mbrubeck> Okay, ready to back out 2000 lines of changes to js-ctypes. What could go wrong?
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# [19:45] <Mook_as> it's js-ctypes, so it's more like what could go _more_ wrong?
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# [19:46] <myk> bsmedberg: however, i can also tackle the problem if dan is not around
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# [19:47] <@bz> mbrubeck: calls into main() might stop working?
# [19:47] <@bsmedberg> myk: well, I still don't understand the "activateIgnoring" call here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=614592&action=diff#a/webapprt/mac/webapprt.mm_sec1
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# [19:47] <@bsmedberg> myk: it appears to be calling that as we shut down, which seems pointless, and in release builds we'll never even hit this code at all
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# [19:48] <@bsmedberg> at least when the _exit(0) patch lands
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# [19:48] <myk> bsmedberg: hmm, ok, you probably need dan to explain that one
# [19:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e1f0bb28fbb4 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 745233 - Back out 33e485d0e23b, 26eb08593f89, ce72679ffb95, 10b783e85c1e (bug 720771, bug 742384) because of Linux64 PGO crashes
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# [19:53] <gps> jst: y u reset bug flags?
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# [19:53] <mbrubeck> In the past week I have backed out 6 bugs and committed fixes for 3 bugs. :/
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# [19:57] <philor> net gain of 3!
# [19:57] <philor> oh, I'm not supposed to admit I think that way, am I?
# [19:57] <@bz> mbrubeck: depending on the bugs, that might be a net win. ;)
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# [19:58] <jst> gps: uh, I have no idea, I just commented in the bug...
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# [19:59] <jst> gps: geez, that *must* be a bugzilla bug, no way I changed all those flags. I'll fix
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# [20:00] <gps> jst: I just did
# [20:00] <jst> gps: so I noticed, thanks, and sorry
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# [20:00] <gps> no worries. I've done it plenty of times too. Bugzilla.
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# [20:01] <fabrice> jst: do you know who could be assigned to bug 731746?
# [20:01] <@smaug> does Nightly have silent update on Windows?
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# [20:01] <@bz> for a Nightly, can we call them Ninja Updates ?
# [20:01] <Mossop> Mostly silent, it still shows a progress bar if it is taking too long
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# [20:02] <@smaug> Mossop: what is too long?
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# [20:02] <Mossop> I don't know the figure
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# [20:03] <fabrice> we detect when the user starts shaking its keyboard
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# [20:05] <rstrong> smaug: per UX, 5 seconds when applying the update.
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# [20:06] <rstrong> and the chance of that happening will be dramatically reduced soon
# [20:06] <@smaug> ah
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# [20:07] <@smaug> rstrong: I was just wondering whether I should ask my sister to use Nightly. If the update is silent, then I should
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# [20:07] <rstrong> smaug: it is also on Beta
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# [20:08] <@smaug> yeah, beta might be better atm. It shouldn't have this horrible leak...
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# [20:08] <@smaug> nor aurora
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# [20:09] <rstrong> smaug: Beta gets updated less often than nightly or aurora as well
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# [20:09] <rstrong> in case that is a factor when considering
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# [20:10] <@bz> hrm
# [20:10] <@smaug> that is true, but beta doesn't have as many cycle collector fixes as aurora ;)
# [20:10] <@bz> is someone working on getting esr reopened?
# [20:10] <@bz> tree seems green
# [20:10] <@bz> (as in, can I just reopen it?)
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# [20:14] <@bz> philor: ^
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# [20:17] <philor> bz: I'm trying to leave it up to lsblakk and akeybl because I don't want to be the one to decide
# [20:17] <philor> it might stay green for a week, it might never be green again, a patch that actually affects libxul size might trip it again, one which doesn't might trip it again
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# [20:17] <philor> someone might be working on backporting the potential fixes, someone might not
# [20:18] <@bz> philor: ok
# [20:18] <@bz> akeybl: ping
# [20:18] <@bz> lsblakk: ping
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# [20:21] <akeybl> hey
# [20:21] <lsblakk> bz: yo
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# [20:24] <@bz> lsblakk: see above?
# [20:24] <akeybl> are we sure bug 679759 isn't triggering bug 745093?
# [20:24] <anant> mounir: ping
# [20:24] <@bz> lsblakk: regarding esr and whether it should be open or closed
# [20:25] <akeybl> if it isn't, we should open the ESR branch since no builds is the same as no builds
# [20:25] <@bz> akeybl: likewise
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# [20:25] <akeybl> and we'll follow up with glandium for landing the fixes
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# [20:25] <@bz> we're not sure no
# [20:26] <@bz> we do have one red build, then one green
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# [20:26] <Ms2ger> humph, ping
# [20:26] <@bz> so it might have triggered it, but doesn't do it 100% of the time....
# [20:26] <akeybl> let's re-open the tree, if we see red again we'll back out bug 679759
# [20:26] <humph> pong
# [20:26] <@bz> ok
# [20:26] <akeybl> if we still see red we'll more urgently pursue the backports
# [20:27] <@bz> sounds good to me
# [20:27] <philor> if automation.py affects virtual memory size while linking libxul...
# [20:27] <Ms2ger> humph, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/events/src/nsEventStateManager.cpp#1067
# [20:27] <@bz> are you reopening, or should I?
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# [20:27] <akeybl> I'll reopen
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# [20:27] <humph> Ms2ger: ok, what about it?
# [20:27] <Ms2ger> humph, how should the operator precedence go?
# [20:28] <Ms2ger> It's currently (trusted & mouse & real) | scroll
# [20:28] <@bz> akeybl: thanks!
# [20:28] <humph> Ms2ger: yeah, want to file?
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# [20:29] <humph> Ms2ger: why did you find that? Is it affecting something?
# [20:29] <humph> or just reading esm for fun?
# [20:30] <Ms2ger> Build warnings
# [20:30] <humph> ah, cool
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# [20:30] <akeybl> bz: no problem thanks for letting us know
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# [20:32] <marco> are xpcom components the only way to expose services to javascript?
# [20:32] <Ms2ger> humph, 745266
# [20:32] <humph> thank you
# [20:33] <gavin> marco: what do you mean by "services"?
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# [20:33] <gavin> they're one of the easier ways to expose native code to JS
# [20:33] <marco> gavin, a class
# [20:33] <gavin> not necessarily the most efficient or elegant :)
# [20:34] <marco> gavin, what are better ways to do this?
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# [20:35] <gavin> "better" involves trading off all those aspects
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# [20:35] <gavin> depends a lot on the specifics of your case
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# [20:35] <gavin> ctypes may be another way
# [20:35] <gavin> avoiding native code altogether may be another :)
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# [20:37] <marco> gavin, probably I'll need some code to check what desktop manager is running
# [20:37] <marco> (on Linux)
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# [20:38] <marco> I'll try to avoid native code :)
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# [20:39] <marco> wow, ctypes is wonderful
# [20:39] <mcot> humm
# [20:39] <mcot> is there a tutorial somewhere on using ctypes?
# [20:40] <mcot> in mozilla I mean
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# [20:40] <marco> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/js-ctypes
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# [20:40] <mcot> excellent thanks
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# [20:54] <mak> jrmuizel: looks like you broke b2g builds
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# [20:55] <Ms2ger> So
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> This thing at the bottom of my screen that has the url for a link I'm hovering over
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# [20:56] <Ms2ger> What bmo component.
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> ?
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# [20:58] <jrmuizel> mak: great
# [20:59] <dholbert> hmm try builders getting "abort: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error" when trying to clone build tools
# [20:59] <dholbert> bear|buildduty, ^
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# [20:59] <dholbert> bear|buildduty, (not sure if it's still happening, I've just hit it a few times on this push: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=22a775212b17 )
# [21:00] <dholbert> (and a lot on m-i, too, it looks like)
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# [21:01] <dholbert> Ms2ger, possibly just Firefox|General
# [21:01] <dholbert> Ms2ger, based on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658937
# [21:02] <@bz> pulling from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
# [21:02] <@bz> searching for changes
# [21:02] <@bz> abort: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
# [21:02] <@bz> ah, dholbert saw the same
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# [21:02] <Ms2ger> Relevant people to cc? Dao? gavin?
# [21:02] <dholbert> yup
# [21:02] * @bz is getting that when trying to pull
# [21:02] <dholbert> Ms2ger, sounds reasonable
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> bz, Pike just mentioned that in #it too
# [21:02] <jrmuizel> mak: I'm backing out
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# [21:03] <mak> jrmuizel: thx
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# [21:08] <bear|buildduty> dholbert, bz - let me ping HG folk
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# [21:13] <gavin> Ms2ger: what's the bug?
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# [21:13] <philor> gwright?
# [21:13] <gavin> gw280
# [21:14] <philor> thx
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# [21:14] <gavin> and I resent you calling me that
# [21:14] <philor> sorry, you're not fruitless
# [21:14] <Ms2ger> gavinbot, 669686
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# [21:17] <bear|buildduty> dholbert, bz - IT is working on it - looks to be a bad hg cluster node
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# [21:20] <bbondy> fyi I'm starting another nightly build now so I can test a recent push
# [21:20] <dholbert> bear|buildduty, thanks
# [21:20] <bear|buildduty> issue found and solved - thanks for the report
# [21:20] <bbondy> ... for m-c
# [21:20] <gavin> Ms2ger: seems like a dupe of 647665
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# [21:22] <Ms2ger> gavin, indeed, thx
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# [21:22] <humph> so is today "let's kill warnings" day?
# [21:23] <humph> seeing lots of bugs getting filed
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# [21:23] <Ms2ger> Today is "update my tree" day :)
# [21:23] <humph> dholbert is doing the same I guess :)
# [21:24] <Ms2ger> And fix all the warnings in dirs that were clean last updated earlier this week
# [21:24] <froydnj> at some point we should start setting w-a-e on those dirs
# [21:25] <Ms2ger> Indeed
# [21:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2baaa38fc2b3 - Panos Astithas - Bug 728244 - Enable the Script Debugger to debug B2G/Gaia; r=dcamp,vingtetun
# [21:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cc3e893fbe1c - Rob Campbell - merge fx-team to m-c
# [21:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/71e852f66edb - Paul Rouget - Bug 717916 - Add an Inspect button and a node menu to the infobar; r=dao,dcamp
# [21:25] <Ms2ger> And jduell was so kind to push my patch to do that in some places in netwerk earlier :)
# [21:25] <froydnj> \o/
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# [21:26] <Ms2ger> I need to get some other stuff filed too
# [21:26] <jduell> Is Friday the 13th a bad day to set FAIL_ON_WARNINGs?
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# [21:26] <Ms2ger> A good one :)
# [21:27] <@ted> bsmedberg: http://whattrainisitnow.com/
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# [21:27] <@bsmedberg> AWESOME
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# [21:27] <@ted> https://github.com/luser/whatthetrain is the sauce
# [21:27] <Ms2ger> Ugly!
# [21:27] <Ms2ger> ;)
# [21:28] <@ted> patches accepted!
# [21:28] <philor> but I need to know what's on esr-10!
# [21:28] <@ted> ha ha
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# [21:29] <Ms2ger> jduell, want some more, btw? :)
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# [21:30] <jduell> Ms2ger: sure!
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# [21:31] <@bz> anyone happen to have a CORS-enabled server that would let me see what Chrome is sending in its preflight requests?
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# [21:34] <@ted> huh
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# [21:35] <@ted> windows
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# [21:38] <armenzg_mtg> hurley: sounds good to me
# [21:41] <mak> philor: did you figure out who is gwright on irc?
# [21:41] <mak> philor: otherwise, will just proceed to backout (unless someone else is)
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# [21:43] <mak> ah found him
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# [21:54] <davidb> mak: gw280
# [21:54] <davidb> oops
# [21:54] <davidb> heh
# [21:54] <davidb> nevermind
# [21:55] <mak> thx regardless!
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# [22:00] <gkw> so I have 2 ghost windows now
# [22:00] <gkw> what do i do?
# [22:00] <hurley> armenzg_brb: just commented in the bug, looks like packaging is going right this time, so have at it :)
# [22:01] <gkw> (in about:compartments)
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# [22:02] <johns> gkw: pong
# [22:02] <gkw> johns: do you know what i should do if i have 2 ghost windows now?
# [22:02] <gkw> i looked up http://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/category/aboutcompartments/ and thought you might know
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# [22:02] <armenzg_brb> hurley: coolio
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# [22:03] <johns> gkw: Not really :( jlebar or njn would be the ones to ask
# [22:03] <gkw> ah ok
# [22:04] <gkw> thanks though
# [22:04] <gkw> jlebar|upupandaway: ping?
# [22:04] <mbrubeck> So what needs to backed out on inbound *now*?
# [22:04] <mak> ideally it's fine
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# [22:04] <mak> the R may be the same changeset I backed out
# [22:04] <mbrubeck> ah yeah, looks likely.
# [22:04] <Ms2ger> EVERYTHING
# [22:05] <johns> gkw: khuey might also be helpful (he knows everything)
# [22:05] <gkw> hehe
# [22:05] <Ms2ger> On his way to .au too
# [22:05] <@bz> Man
# [22:05] <@bz> Chrome is broken
# [22:05] <@bz> so broken
# [22:05] <Ms2ger> Let's copy that :)
# [22:06] * @bz wonders whether Safari is too
# [22:06] <froydnj> we already copy that
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# [22:06] <gkw> hmmm i refreshed about:compartments and it's now gone
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# [22:06] <@bz> yes
# [22:06] <@bz> safari broken too
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# [22:18] <mfinkle> define large
# [22:18] <jviereck_3rd_floor> roc: hi Roc. I asked for feedback from you on my current iteration of the mozPrintCallback patch. In case you haven't started to look into it I was wondering if it would be better to ask for feedback from someone else, that has more feedback/review bandwidth then you might have right now (assuming you have maybe more important stuff to look into at the moment).
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# [22:22] <Ms2ger> Who wants to be on G+ anyway
# [22:22] <Ms2ger> I wouldn't if they let me :)
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# [22:22] <@bz> I don't
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# [22:23] <@bz> which is why the fact that it's sending me spam e-mail is annoying
# [22:23] <Yoric> mbrubeck: ping
# [22:23] <Ms2ger> Yoric, well spotted by gcc, in fact
# [22:24] <Yoric> Ms2ger: Are you watching the warnings on TryServer or are you on Linux?
# [22:24] <jduell> mfinkle: in bug 725993 we're thinking of getting rid of STORE_ON_DISK_AS_FILE semantics for the HTTP cache. This would mean that downloads in particular would get stored in whatever we define as the OS's tempDir instead of the cache dir
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> Linux, --enable-fail-on-warnings
# [22:24] <Yoric> mbrubeck: Do we have confirmation that it is a perma-orange
# [22:24] <Yoric> Ms2ger: And my warning was the only one?
# [22:25] * Yoric is pretty certain that he sees at least 5 warnings each time he attempts to build on Mac.
# [22:25] <Ms2ger> The only one I hadn't fixed when I updated my tree earlier this week
# [22:25] <jduell> I want to make sure that's kosher on android. I'm worried that on Unix'y systems TEMP is often a partition other then the user's HOME, and that we'll either hit OS limits, or fill the / partition
# [22:25] <Ms2ger> Along with the three others I filed
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# [22:25] <Yoric> jduell: on Android, TEMP doesn't really exist.
# [22:25] <Yoric> jduell: We emulate it in the Java loader.
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# [22:26] <Yoric> Ms2ger: Well, good work.
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# [22:26] <Yoric> Ms2ger: Rooting out warnings and switching to --enable-fail-on-warnings is a very good move.
# [22:26] <Ms2ger> I tend to agree :)
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# [22:27] <Waldo> speaking of warnings, Ms2ger, we should make warnings fatal in mfbt
# [22:27] <Yoric> mbrubeck: I need to know if this is a confirmed perma-orange.
# [22:27] <Yoric> mbrubeck: If so, I have a fix (although I am not sure why it fixes anything).
# [22:27] <Ms2ger> Waldo, wfm
# [22:27] <Yoric> wfm, too
# [22:28] <Yoric> (I would say "+1" but bz might report me as spam)
# [22:28] <@bz> meh
# [22:28] <@bz> spam is what irc is for
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# [22:29] <Waldo> spam eggs and spam
# [22:29] <Yoric> spam, spam, spam
# [22:29] <mbrubeck> Yoric: It's not quite 100% perma-orange. Out of about 12 PGO builds on inbound, we had one that was green.
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# [22:29] <Yoric> mbrubeck: Ok, so I will push a few times to TryServer.
# [22:30] <Ms2ger> Bacon and spam
# [22:30] <mbrubeck> Yoric: Or just retrigger the builds on Try...
# [22:30] <Yoric> Can we retrigger?
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# [22:30] <mbrubeck> Yoric: Yes, click on the "B" for the build, then click the "+" icon in the footer.
# [22:30] <mbrubeck> Requires LDAP authentication and L1 commit access.
# [22:31] <Yoric> I should break inbound more often, I hadn't learnt so much in two days since my arrival :)
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# [22:31] <@bz> Yoric: ;)
# [22:32] <Yoric> Seriously, I am really sorry about my snafu.
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# [22:34] <Yoric> In the meantime, I haven't yet succeeded at building 64 bits PGO on my local machine.
# [22:34] <Yoric> It keeps freezing my Linux, so I am starting to wonder if I have enough RAM.
# [22:35] <anant> I can't build mozilla-central on Mac OS X Lion, is that a known issue? (ranlib: file: .libs/libffi_convenience.a(raw_api.o) has no symbols)
# [22:36] <Yoric> anant: generally, wfm
# [22:36] <anant> yesterday, the build was fine, this issue is new to today
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# [22:37] <anant> I get a lot of "no symbols errors", previously: ranlib: file: libnspr4.a(pripv6.o) has no symbols
# [22:37] * @bz hates debugging build failures with clang
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# [22:37] <anant> ranlib: file: libjs_static.a(jslog2.o) has no symbols etc.
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# [22:37] <Yoric> anant: I think I succeeded today.
# [22:37] <Yoric> But this was about 10h ago.
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# [22:37] <anant> Hmm, can I force using GCC instead of clang?
# [22:38] <Waldo> bz: why so? I find the error messages are generally much more helpful
# [22:38] <@bz> once I find the error message
# [22:38] <@bz> usually it's lost somewhere inside megabytes of warning spam
# [22:38] <Waldo> anant: |export CC=gcc; export CXX=g++| in your mozconfig?
# [22:38] <Waldo> anant: although if you were to switch, you should blow away your objdir
# [22:39] <Waldo> anant: I assume you've tried blowing away your objdir already, and that hasn't helped?
# [22:39] <anant> yup, I always do that :-)
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# [22:39] <anant> let's see if gcc does any better than clang
# [22:39] <@bz> um
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# [22:39] <@bz> current inbound doesn't compile with clang? :(
# [22:39] <@bz> ../../../../mozilla/accessible/src/generic/FormControlAccessible.cpp:56:16: error: explicit instantiation of 'mozilla::a11y::ProgressMeterAccessible' must occur in namespace 'a11y'
# [22:39] <Yoric> mbrubeck: Should I also retrigger the X or will that happen automatically? And if I retrigger the X, which build will it use?
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# [22:41] <mbrubeck> Yoric: The new build should automatically trigger a new set of tests. (If you retrigger the X, it will use the same build as the original run. When we tried this on inbound, we always got the same result as the original run.)
# [22:42] <Yoric> ok
# [22:42] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [22:42] <mbrubeck> Time to sleep now while your PGO builds run? :P
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# [22:45] <Yoric> mbrubeck: A bit early for that.
# [22:45] <Yoric> But yes, probablu.
# [22:45] <Yoric> But yes, probably.
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# [22:46] <Waldo> pretty recently; I built successfully with clang yesterday
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# [22:47] <@bz> well, the last change to this code was 4 days ago
# [22:47] <Waldo> hum
# [22:47] <Waldo> well
# [22:47] * @bz wonders whether he needs a new clang or some such
# [22:48] <Waldo> bz: what clang version/revision?
# [22:48] <@bz> clang version 3.1 (trunk 151261)
# [22:48] <Optimizer> Any idea anyone why " panel.style.backgroundImage = "-moz-linear-gradient(top, #7d7e7d 0%, #0e0e0e 100%)"; " does not work on Mac ? ( where panel is the object created by panel = window.createElement("panel"))
# [22:48] <Waldo> clang version 3.1 (trunk 152403) for me
# [22:48] <Waldo> so not too much delta between the two
# [22:48] <Waldo> although maybe enough, I dunno
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# [22:49] * @bz will try grabbing a newer clang later
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# [22:49] <Waldo> I could probably do a build and see if I hit the same thing now
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# [22:50] <@bz> maybe?
# [22:50] <@bz> I'm on rev 11cf97fceacd
# [22:50] <@bz> oh, hmm
# [22:50] <@bz> wait
# [22:50] <@bz> 4 days on m-c
# [22:50] * @bz looks at inbound
# [22:51] * Waldo pretty much only builds inbound, fwiw
# [22:51] <@bz> yes, but we don't have an mxr for it
# [22:51] <Optimizer> Anyone ?
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# [22:51] <Waldo> true enough
# [22:51] <Waldo> although mxr proper doesn't update often enough for that purpose anyway
# [22:51] <Yoric> Optimizer: Does it work on other platforms?
# [22:52] <Optimizer> on windows, yes
# [22:52] <mbrubeck> Optimizer: I don't know specifically, but I'd suspect a conflict with the default style from the theme...
# [22:52] <mbrubeck> Optimizer: I'd start by trying !important, then may look at what styles in the theme apply to that element
# [22:52] <@bz> aha!
# [22:52] <@bz> that file was _added_ today
# [22:52] * @bz goes to comment in the bug
# [22:53] <Waldo> interesting
# [22:53] * Waldo has that build kicked off, so
# [22:53] <mbrubeck> Optimizer: I wonder if you need to set "-moz-appearance: none;" https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/themes/pinstripe/global/popup.css#43
# [22:54] <Optimizer> oh, is it not by default none ?
# [22:54] <Optimizer> Ah, I see
# [22:54] <Yoric> bz: What file is that?
# [22:54] <Optimizer> and also I have to set the background-color as none
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# [22:55] <@bz> Yoric: accessible/src/generic/FormControlAccessible.cpp
# [22:55] <@bz> Yoric: it was hg renamed from another file
# [22:55] <Yoric> Ahahah, it's not my fault!
# [22:55] <@bz> no, it's not
# [22:56] <Yoric> \o/
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# [22:56] <@bz> this is interesting
# [22:57] <@bz> I wonder whether clang is correct here...
# [22:57] <Waldo> dbaron: the webkit people are arguing about how to import third-party tests, specifically about whether to write reftests for them or generate pixel tests instead, and what's preferable for testing in general; they're having a project meeting sometime this month, dunno when, and will likely discuss it <http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/April%202012%20Meeting>; IRC chatter from the last couple days...
# [22:57] <Waldo> ...suggests they're possibly interested in hearing from Mozilla people on our experience with reftests; any chance someone might be able to talk to them? seems like it'd be good to get more projects on the reftest bandwagon
# [22:57] <Waldo> rniwa: ^ you might be interested in that
# [22:58] <Ms2ger> Waldo, yeah, I chatted with rniwa about that :)
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# [22:58] <@dbaron> I think I talked to rniwa about it at TPAC
# [22:58] <Waldo> Ms2ger: I saw a bit of that in #whatwg, yeah
# [22:58] <rniwa> dbaron, Waldo, Ms2ger: yeah
# [22:58] <Ms2ger> Also, fantasai
# [22:59] <rniwa> if someone from Mozilla can give us a speech / talk about reftests, that might be helpful as well
# [22:59] <rniwa> although I need to check with weinig & adele if they can accommodate that or not.
# [22:59] <rniwa> if not, we can have some informal chat about how we can cooperate
# [23:00] <rniwa> to add more ref tests to W3C's repository
# [23:00] <rniwa> or figure out some other ways to share reference files
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# [23:02] <rniwa> Ms2ger, Waldo, dbaron: any opinons?
# [23:02] <rniwa> opinions*
# [23:02] <rniwa> or comments?
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# [23:03] <Waldo> rniwa: having someone show up and talk a little seemed like the obvious idea to me, although I couldn't speak for anyone's time to do it
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# [23:04] <rniwa> Waldo: let me talk with adele and/or weinig if we can do that :)
# [23:04] <Ms2ger> rniwa, I'm not going to come over to CA to give a talk, sorry ;)
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# [23:05] <@dbaron> which of the remaining Thursday-Friday pairs this month is it?
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# [23:05] <Ms2ger> 19-20
# [23:05] <@dbaron> that doesn't work for me, but might for fantasai
# [23:05] <Ms2ger> rniwa, how many talks are you going to give? :)
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# [23:06] <Waldo> bz: yeah, I get the same a11y build error with clang, may be able to look briefly
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# [23:08] * @bz has a fix
# [23:08] <@bz> but who knows whether it's right
# [23:08] <rniwa> Ms2ger: next week.
# [23:08] <rniwa> Ms2ger: i think we have a couple of topics for reftests & w3c tests
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# [23:08] <rniwa> Ms2ger: see proposed topics on http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/April%202012%20Meeting
# [23:09] <Ms2ger> That's what I was looking at :)
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# [23:09] <Ms2ger> Anyway, I'm off
# [23:09] <Ms2ger> See you
# [23:09] <rniwa> Ms2ger, Waldo, dbaron: i've just emailed weinig and adele who have been organizing the event to see if we can accommodate someone from Mozilla if that's at all possible.
# [23:09] <rniwa> Ms2ger: see you!
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# [23:10] <Waldo> or don't see him, the international man of mystery
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# [23:17] <rniwa> Waldo: so if we've decided that we would like one of you guys to come
# [23:17] <rniwa> Waldo: who should I contact?
# [23:18] <Waldo> rniwa: I would imagine dbaron, probably
# [23:18] <rniwa> Waldo: okay, will do that. thanks!
# [23:18] <Waldo> sure
# [23:18] <@dbaron> except that I know for sure that I can't make it...
# [23:18] <Waldo> hmm, yeah
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# [23:20] <rniwa> dbaron: do you know who might be able to?
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# [23:20] <@dbaron> worth asking fantasai
# [23:20] <rniwa> dbaron: ok. she is based in SF?
# [23:21] <Waldo> bz: "An explicit instantiation of a class or function template specialization is placed in the namespace in which the template is defined." I think that (C++98 14.7.2p5) says you need |template class mozilla::a11y::ProgressMeter<...>;| and such, and clang's correct about this
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# [23:21] <@dbaron> rniwa, yes
# [23:21] <rniwa> dbaron: ok.
# [23:21] <rniwa> fantasai: ping?
# [23:21] <rniwa> dbaron: thanks. let me ask her.
# [23:22] <rniwa> dbaron: i guess it'll be nice since he's also in the CSS WG.
# [23:22] <rniwa> nice to have her*
# [23:22] <rniwa> since she's*
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# [23:24] <mbrubeck> Why do our Linux64 PGO builds take 4x longer than our Linux32 PGO builds?
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# [23:25] <fantasai> rniwa: pong
# [23:25] <rniwa> fantasai: hi!
# [23:25] <rniwa> fantasai: did you see our discussion?
# [23:26] * fantasai looks up
# [23:26] <rniwa> fantasai: basically, we (webkit community) are discussing about how we can import w3c tests
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# [23:26] <rniwa> fantasai: and one of big debating point is whether we should add our own reference files to css2.1 tests that don't already have reference files
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# [23:27] <rniwa> fantasai: to avoid introducing new pixel tests (tests that are compared against png images)
# [23:27] <catlee> mbrubeck: maybe VM vs hardware?
# [23:27] <rniwa> fantasai: and one of the problems we have is that we don't have many people who know well about reftests to begin with
# [23:27] <rniwa> fantasai: since we only added the support last year
# [23:27] <rniwa> fantasai: and even then people hadn't been using it as much as we could
# [23:28] <fantasai> rniwa: I would be happy to help WebKit adopt the reftest format in any way I can
# [23:29] <rniwa> fantasai: right.
# [23:29] <rniwa> fantasai: and we have a contributor's meeting coming up next week
# [23:29] <rniwa> fantasai: http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/April%202012%20Meeting
# [23:29] <rniwa> fantasai: it'll be on 4/19 and 4/20
# [23:29] <rniwa> fantasai: and I was wondering it's possible to have someone from Mozilla talk about this stuff
# [23:30] <rniwa> fantasai: so that we may get more insights as to how reftests are used at Mozilla
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# [23:30] <rniwa> fantasai: and how we can cooperate to add reference files to existing w3c tests
# [23:30] <fantasai> rniwa: I can't say I know as much about reftests as dbaron does, but I can try
# [23:31] <fantasai> rniwa: I know W3C's infrastructure fairly well, though
# [23:31] <rniwa> fantasai: i'm contacting the event organizers to see if that's possible since we have some access restrictions
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# [23:31] <fantasai> rniwa: where is it?
# [23:31] <rniwa> (e.g. we don't want random people walking into our venue)
# [23:31] <rniwa> fantasai: it'll be held in Cupertino
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# [23:32] <rniwa> fantasai: https://www.webkit.org/meeting/
# [23:32] <rniwa> fantasai: Cypress Hotel at 10050 S. De Anza Blvd Cupertino, CA
# [23:33] <rniwa> fantasai: this is rather short notice to everyone, so things don't work out, that's fine too. I work in SF office (literally in the same building complex you're in)
# [23:33] <rniwa> fantasai: so we can have an informal chat sometime as well
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# [23:33] <fantasai> rniwa: I don't think I have anything scheduled then, so it should be fine
# [23:33] <rniwa> fantasai: great!
# [23:33] <Waldo> I love it when a plan comes together
# [23:33] <Waldo> :-D
# [23:33] <fantasai> rniwa: let me know if you want me to prepare anything
# [23:34] <fantasai> rniwa: or just show up to answer questions
# [23:34] <rniwa> fantasai: sure.
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# [23:34] <rniwa> fantasai: i'm still waiting for the event organizer to get back to me :) (i just sent them an email so probably take some time to get back to you)
# [23:35] <rniwa> fantasai: do you have a preferred method of contact?
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# [23:35] <fantasai> rniwa: depends on how quick you need a response :)
# [23:35] <fantasai> rniwa: email and IRC work, but if you need an immediate response, probably cell phone is best
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# [23:36] <rniwa> fantasai: which email?
# [23:36] <fantasai> fantasai@
# [23:36] <rniwa> fantasai: mozilla?
# [23:36] <fantasai> inkedblade.net
# [23:37] <rniwa> fantasai: ok, thanks. will get back to you
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# [23:37] <fantasai> rniwa: ok
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# [23:38] <fantasai> rniwa: if it helps, I have a Google contractor badge, and on Apple's side dsinger should be able to arrange any necessary access
# [23:38] <rniwa> fantasai: ah!
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# [23:38] <rniwa> fantasai: you've got a lot of privileges there ;)
# [23:38] * fantasai also has an HP badge and a Mozilla badge, but those might not be as useful here
# [23:38] <rniwa> fantasai: LOL
# [23:39] <fantasai> I unfortunately forfeited my MSFT badge already
# [23:39] <Yoric> mbrubeck: Oh, by the way, just to make things more fun: Any attempt to compile Linux 64 bits PGO on my laptop kills the X server.
# [23:39] * fantasai should have taken a picture
# [23:39] <fantasai> Collect them all!
# [23:39] <fantasai> :D
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# [23:39] <mbrubeck> Yoric: Happy Friday the 13th..!
# [23:39] <Yoric> I hadn't realized :)
# [23:39] <rniwa> fantasai: hehe.
# [23:39] <Yoric> Second xpcshell test successful in a row.
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# [23:43] <mbrubeck> \o/
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# [23:43] <@khuey> figures that I leave San Francisco and the lightning rolls in
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# [23:44] * @khuey is glad his plane didn't get hit by lightning though
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# [23:44] <@bz> khuey: heh. you on the plane now?
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# [23:45] <@bz> khuey: fwiw, better typed array support in the idlparser would help with webgl at this point
# [23:45] <@khuey> bz: no I'm in Sydney
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# [23:45] <@khuey> boarding soon
# [23:45] <@bz> khuey: ah, congrats. ;)
# [23:45] <@bz> khuey: flying to where now?
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# [23:45] <@khuey> bz: melbourne
# [23:45] <@bz> khuey: ok
# [23:45] <@khuey> bz: and noted
# [23:46] <@khuey> that was not one of the ones I did on the flight here, unfortunately
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# [23:46] * @khuey also forgot to pull down a copy of the WebIDL spec before leaving the US
# [23:46] <@khuey> that was an unfortunate mistake
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# [23:47] <@khuey> and there's my boarding announcement
# [23:47] <Waldo> bz: clang bustage fix landed
# [23:47] <@khuey> have a good weekend everyone
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# [23:47] <sheppy> khuey: have fun
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# [23:54] <gregglind> are "resource" pages chrome privileged in fx 13? has this changed?
# [23:54] <sheppy> That sounds familiar to me.
# [23:54] <gregglind> (changed to lose their privs, mostly. I will look in bmo)
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# [23:57] <hub> gregglind: XUL can no longer be accessed remotely if I understand what your problem is
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# [23:58] <gregglind> hub, I have a page at resource://testpilot etc. ; web console is complaining when I try to import Cu
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# [23:59] <gregglind> [16:38:38.026] Error: Permission denied for <resource://testpilot> to get property XPCComponents.utils
# [23:59] <gregglind> other chrome prov pages (e.g., about:addons) have no problem with that.
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# [23:59] <hub> yeah I do believe that's what I'm talking about. I don't know when this changed though
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