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# Session Start: Mon Apr 16 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:40] <cadecairos> cpearce: ping
# [00:41] <Callek> RyanVM: ping
# [00:41] <cadecairos> cpearce: unping
# [00:42] <cadecairos> doublec: ping
# [00:42] <Callek> RyanVM: soo, it appears I'm late in my "push branch comm-*" today, but I did do Sea* approvals at least -- I have to finish my taxes before tomorrow. If you wish and have time to do these pushes for me, would appreciate it! :-) see for example: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=release_tracking_report.html as a handy query mechanic ;-)
# [00:43] <Callek> RyanVM: I still will plan to if you don't though, just will be much later
# [00:43] <cpearce> cadecairos: doublec is in Tahiti at the moment, so he's not likely to respond to your ping! ;)
# [00:43] <cadecairos> oh wow, tahiti
# [00:44] <cadecairos> lucky
# [00:44] <cpearce> cadecairos: he'll be back in 2 weeks
# [00:44] <cadecairos> hoping to run some code by him, since he seems to have authored the method originally
# [00:45] <cadecairos> it's the one thing blocking me on 726904
# [00:46] <cadecairos> I've somehow managed to break audio controls lol
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# [00:53] <jdm> nice
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# [00:55] <cpearce> cadecairos: maybe I can help?
# [00:56] <cadecairos> cpearce: sure!, lemme grab some links..
# [00:57] <cadecairos> so this is the method as it is now: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsVideoFrame.cpp#523
# [00:57] <cadecairos> and this is what I made it: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1571917
# [00:57] <cadecairos> the problem, is that there are two reftests that fail because of that change
# [00:58] <cadecairos> because the controls frame doesn't draw
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# [00:58] <cpearce> cadecairos: don't delete the default size of (300, 150); on size.
# [00:59] <cadecairos> my last return should handle that default size case
# [00:59] <cpearce> wait, no...
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# [01:00] <cadecairos> cpearce: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/bugs/449149-1a.html?force=1 and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/bugs/449149-1b.html?force=1 are the failing reftests
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# [01:01] <cpearce> cadecairos: is size being set at zero width? I don't see what (now) sets the width on the !HasVideoElement() path...
# [01:01] <cadecairos> they are checked to be != to about:blank
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# [01:02] <cadecairos> :O
# [01:02] <cadecairos> lol sometimes all you need is a second pair of eyes
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# [01:03] <cpearce> :)
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# [01:10] <qheaden> Wait, are we supposed to add our names to the contributors list in a source file if we edit it?
# [01:12] <humph> no
# [01:15] <jdm> qheaden: sometimes that happens, but those contributor lists are going away with the big mpl2 change that is coming up
# [01:16] <jdm> and arrrrgh something is weird with bugzilla and I can't access any attachments from the console
# [01:16] <jdm> either with qimportbz or curl
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# [01:16] <glob> jdm, oh?
# [01:17] <qheaden> Oh ok. Thanks for the info.
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# [01:17] <jdm> glob: yeah, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1571956
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# [01:17] <jdm> glob: do you have a highlight on bugzilla, or was that just serendipity?
# [01:17] <glob> jdm, both
# [01:18] <glob> jdm, hrm, wfm using wget
# [01:18] <jdm> how strange
# [01:19] <jdm> I don't believe I've changed anything relevant about my machine since the last time I grabbed a patch
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# [01:21] <qheaden> Is Chromebug used/updated anymore?
# [01:22] <glob> jdm, also wfm with curl; i'm not seeing any interesting errors on the logs i have access to
# [01:22] <jdm> :/
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# [01:23] <Callek> jdm: is qimportbz setup as installed in hg?
# [01:24] * Callek is asking a possibly obvious question
# [01:24] <jdm> Callek: yes, I was using it a couple of days ago
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# [01:24] <Callek> jdm: hg showconfig extensions
# [01:24] <jdm> extensions.qimportbz=~/src/qimportbz/
# [01:25] <Callek> and to be clear, ~/sc/qimportbz/ still exists ;-)
# [01:25] <jdm> Callek: note that manual curl and qimport https were failing as well
# [01:25] <nthomas> I've seen weird ssh/ssl errors using curl from macports if the ca certs bundle was updated without recompiling/updating curl
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# [01:25] <Callek> ooo, manual curl was failing as well -- ok yea then its not qimportbz
# [01:25] <jdm> nthomas: hmm, that's interesting
# [01:25] <jdm> maybe I'll try updating all ports
# [01:25] <nthomas> you have wget though
# [01:26] <jdm> nthomas: no, that's an alias I wrote
# [01:26] <jdm> because I couldn't remember how to use curl
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# [01:26] <jdm> that's a good sign
# [01:29] <jdm> hmm, no change
# [01:30] <jdm> the manual curl worked this time, at least
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# [02:44] <@dolske> bz: ping?
# [02:44] <@dolske> bz: unping :)
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# [03:04] <cadecairos> cpearce: looks like I finally have a solid patch for bug 726904
# [03:05] <cpearce> cadecairos: huzzah!
# [03:06] <cadecairos> now, I'm going to get 517363 working on top of it so they can land together
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# [03:06] <cadecairos> though... windows hasn't finished building on try, so i may be speaking to soon
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# [03:22] <jdm> dolske++
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# [03:24] <@dolske> shit, what did I do now?
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# [03:25] <Unfocused> maybe he heard that you've volunteered to work on bugzilla now
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# [03:28] <@dolske> lies
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# [03:30] <Callek> woot dolske working on bugzilla
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# [03:31] <@dolske> LIES
# [03:33] <jdm> dolske: I approve of going through untargeted review requests
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# [03:34] <@dolske> I'm about halfway though all the requests. :D
# [03:35] <@dolske> might need another, uhh, beverage to get through the rest.
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# [03:54] <qheaden> What is the preferred method of debugging chrome JavaScript code?
# [03:56] <Unfocused> cursing, mostly
# [03:56] <qheaden> :P
# [03:56] <qheaden> Chromebug isn't maintained anymore huh?
# [03:56] <Unfocused> dump and Components.utils.reportError are helpful
# [03:56] <Unfocused> nope :\
# [03:57] <qheaden> Wow, that's messed up. :P
# [03:57] <Unfocused> if it's the addons manager UI (or any other chrome code in a tab), you can use the devtools
# [03:57] <Callek> you can always use venkman :-P
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# [03:57] <KWierso> flipping devtools.chrome.enabled to true might also help a bit?
# [03:58] <qheaden> I've got that enabled.
# [03:58] <Unfocused> heh, yea :P was about to unwillingly suggest that
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# [03:58] <qheaden> I just like breakpoint style debugging. Guess I can't get that here. :P
# [03:58] <Unfocused> what kinda of problem are you having?
# [03:58] <Unfocused> ah, yea, no, not nicely, not yet. devtools team is working on it though
# [03:59] <qheaden> I'm actually working on another bug. Bug 502307 to be exact.
# [03:59] <qheaden> Unfocused: By the way, I did release a patch for the search engine addons patch.
# [03:59] <qheaden> *bug
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# [04:00] <Unfocused> yea, saw that, it's in my agonizingly long review queue
# [04:00] <qheaden> :P
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# [04:01] <qheaden> It adds enable/disable, uninstall, and some preliminary scoping code. I'm not so sure about the addons scope code though. I kinda threw it together from my observation.
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# [04:03] * qheaden slightly misses the C++ side of Mozilla.
# [04:11] <qheaden> Who's over Firefox private browsing>?
# [04:15] <@bz> bjacob: ping
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# [04:18] <philor> Over Firefox private browsing? I'll never be over Firefox private browsing.
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# [04:19] <@dolske> "over"?
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# [04:20] <KWierso> qheaden: you mean "in charge of"?
# [04:20] <qheaden> Let me rephrase. Who owns the section of code?
# [04:20] <qheaden> KWierso: Yeah, you've got it. :)
# [04:21] <qheaden> Because I'm working on a private browsing bug, and I just want to know who I should report to for help and/or reviewing.
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# [04:24] <KWierso> qheaden: ehsan's got his fingers all over http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/fd06332733e5/netwerk/base/public/nsIPrivateBrowsingService.idl
# [04:24] <qheaden> Sure looks that way. :P
# [04:24] <qheaden> Thanks.
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# [04:32] <Callek> dolske++
# [04:32] <Callek> "Career limiting move, or cleaning up requests on old bugs? You be the judge. :)"
# [04:32] <@dolske> well, to be fair, that was a bsmedberg/shaver bug. :)
# [04:33] <Callek> hehe of course, still humorous
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# [04:39] <bjacob> bz: pong, longish response time
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# [04:40] <bjacob> bz: ah, saw your email
# [04:40] <@bz> bjacob: here now
# [04:40] <@bz> bjacob: but mail is fine too
# [04:43] <bjacob> bz: replied. you can remove that if.
# [04:43] <@bz> bjacob: sweet. ;)
# [04:44] <bjacob> bz: ah wait
# [04:44] * @bz waits
# [04:44] <bjacob> bz: with len ==0 we are doign new char [0]
# [04:44] <@bz> yes
# [04:44] <bjacob> not sure what this does
# [04:44] <@bz> which is technically valid
# [04:44] <@bz> iirc
# [04:44] <jcranmer> it's like malloc(0), I think
# [04:44] <bjacob> i wonder if we should do len+1 here, btw
# [04:44] * bjacob checks spec
# [04:45] <jcranmer> it doesn't break, but what it returns is unreliabl
# [04:45] <@bz> When the value of the expression in a direct-new-declarator is zero, the allocation function is called to allocate an array with no elements.
# [04:45] <@bz> says spec
# [04:45] <@bz> also...
# [04:45] <@bz> "
# [04:45] <@bz> The effect of dereferencing a pointer returned as a request for zero size is undefined.
# [04:45] <@bz> and
# [04:45] <@bz> "
# [04:45] <@bz> Even if the size of the space requested [by new] is zero, the request can fail.
# [04:45] <@bz> (this last is a non-issue for our failure-fatal new)
# [04:45] <bjacob> ok, and no need for len+1
# [04:45] <bjacob> the returned length includes the final null char
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# [04:46] <@bz> ok
# [04:46] <@dolske> random thought, unrealated: could malloc(0) return a pointer to the same byte for multiple callers?
# [04:46] <@bz> and if the returned length is 0?
# [04:46] <@bz> does fGetActiveUniform write to len?
# [04:46] <bjacob> i guess it's safer to just return, rather than enter all this discussion
# [04:46] <@bz> bjacob: ok
# [04:46] <@bz> bjacob: also yeas
# [04:46] <@bz> er, easy
# [04:46] <@dolske> eg: a = malloc(0); b = malloc(0); can a == b?
# [04:47] <bjacob> bz: as anyway if len==0, the second if() below returns. so better just return earlier
# [04:47] <@bz> dolske: only if it knows how to handle free() on it
# [04:47] <@bz> if (len == 0)
# [04:47] <@bz> return nsnull;
# [04:47] <@bz> is the new code
# [04:47] * @bz moves on
# [04:47] <@dolske> oh, yeah, I guess that's an interesting complexity.
# [04:47] <@bz> bjacob: there are a _lot_ of functions on this interface. :(
# [04:47] * @dolske moves on too. :)
# [04:48] <bjacob> bz: webgl? yes :)
# [04:48] <@bz> bjacob: as you can tell, I'm just into the 'G's
# [04:48] <bjacob> which are the worst as far as you are concerned
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# [04:49] <@bz> bjacob: hmm?
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# [04:49] <@bz> bjacob: no, the worst ones as far as I'm concerned are the void functions that only take numeric arguments
# [04:50] * @bz thought we'd agreed that getAttachedShaders should return a sequence...
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# [04:53] <@bz> bjacob: another question, actually
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# [04:53] <@bz> bjacob: getAttachedShaders
# [04:53] <@bz> bjacob: our impl never returns null as far as I can see
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# [04:53] <@bz> bjacob: er, no, I lie
# [04:54] <@bz> bjacob: I guess it returns null if !IsContextStable() or if the prog is deleted
# [04:54] <@bz> bjacob: (but not if the prog is null?)
# [04:54] * @bz just keeps the behavior
# [04:54] <bjacob> bz: yes
# [04:54] <bjacob> bz: indeed
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# [04:57] <@bz> bjacob: Can I assume that mAttachedShaders won't suddenly kill the objects?
# [04:57] <@bz> bjacob: between when I stick them in an array and when I JS-wrap them?
# [04:57] <@bz> bjacob: or should I take refs to them when I stick them in the array?
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# [04:59] * @bz assumes so, given existing code
# [05:00] <@bz> bjacob: hmm
# [05:00] <@bz> bjacob: in the null prog case, we set the variant as empty, not empty array?
# [05:02] <@bz> bjacon: that doesn't seem to be allowed by the spec....
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# [05:05] <bjacob> bz: back
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# [05:06] <@bz> bjacob: so per spec we can return either null or an array
# [05:06] <@bz> bjacob: (not that the spec says what to return if the prog is null!)
# [05:07] <@bz> bjacob: does that need raising as a spec issue?
# [05:07] <bjacob> bz: yes, this kind of thing tends to be a bit underdefined by the spec. it's entirely possible that current code was dictated more by a conformance test
# [05:07] <bjacob> bz: sure
# [05:07] <@bz> bjacob: will do
# [05:08] <bjacob> bz: regarding your other question, i'm not entirely sure what you mean but mAttachedShaders is a WebGLRefPtr; you should read the comment on that class
# [05:08] <bjacob> rather an _array_ of WebGLRefPtr
# [05:08] <bjacob> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/content/canvas/src/WebGLContext.h#l136
# [05:09] <@bz> yes, I know
# [05:09] <@bz> my question is this
# [05:09] <@bz> should the signature of the binding method be:
# [05:09] <@bz> void GetAttachedShaders(WebGLProgram* prog,
# [05:09] <@bz> Nullable< nsTArray<WebGLShader*> > shaders);
# [05:09] <@bz> or
# [05:09] <@bz> void GetAttachedShaders(WebGLProgram* prog,
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# [05:09] <@bz> Nullable< nsTArray< nsRefPtr<WebGLShader> > > shaders);
# [05:11] <bjacob> bz: any reference held by JS code whatsoever must be a strong reference, we dont allow webgl objects to go away under the feet of the JS program
# [05:11] <bjacob> i.e. the second option
# [05:12] <bjacob> i am surprised that the first would be considered acceptable ?!
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# [05:20] <@bz> bjacob: well
# [05:20] <@bz> bjacob: when JS takes a reference, it'll take a strong one
# [05:20] <@bz> bjacob: the question is whether this stuff can go away before the JS objects are created and take those references
# [05:21] <@bz> bjacob: if not, then there's no point addrefing twice and then releasing
# [05:21] <@bz> bjacob: as opposed to just addrefing once
# [05:21] <@bz> bjacob: but if this array can get randomly cleared before we get a chance to return into JS
# [05:21] <@bz> bjacob: (due to the GL side doing something)
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# [05:21] <@bz> bjacob: then we need to use strong refs here
# [05:21] <philor> jlebar|food: when you wrote a test that asserts that "js-gc-heap's size is reasonable," didn't you feel the slightest of chills, the merest hint of dread?
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# [05:27] <bjacob> bz: is there a non-negligible cost in using strong refs anyway? all the more as webgl getters are not supposed to be fast?
# [05:27] <@bz> bjacob: there's non-negligible cost, yes: more cycle collector pressure leading to longer CC pauses
# [05:28] <bjacob> bz: anyway, you know better than me what happens between the return statement in the c++ impl of a webgl function, and the time when we return to js. i dont see what could destroy these objects. Only 3 things destroy webgl objects: 1) explicit webgl deleteX() calls ; 2) webgl binding change calls that cause a deferred deleteX() to take place now that the object is no longer in use; 3) GC
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# [05:34] <bjacob> iiuc you're only concerned in what can happen between the return statement in WebGLCOntextGL.cpp and the time when we're back in the JS code; none of the above could suddenly happen there, given that the webgl program still has strong references to the shaders (so the shaders cant be GC'd)
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# [05:40] <@bz> bjacob: hmm
# [05:40] <@bz> bjacob: GC could happen
# [05:40] <@bz> bjacob: but we're keeping the context itself alive
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# [05:40] <@bz> bjacob: can a GC that doesn't collect the WebGLContext make them go away?
# [05:41] <bjacob> bz: as long as the JS has any reference to the program, the program can't go away, and it holds strong refs to the shaders attached to it
# [05:42] <bjacob> bz: all is organized so that objects that are still referencable either by js or internally by the webgl impl, and havent been deleted explicitly by a deleteX() function, don't go away
# [05:43] <@bz> bjacob: we definitely have a strong ref to the program
# [05:43] <@bz> bjacob: since it's a function argument
# [05:43] <@bz> bjacon: sounds good!
# [05:43] <bjacob> yep
# [05:44] <bjacob> to be clear: webglrefptr increases not only the webgl-specific refcount but also the XPCOM refcount like a plain nsRefPtr does
# [05:44] <bjacob> bz: bjacon sounds very 'con' in french :-P
# [05:46] <@bz> bjacob: heh
# [05:46] <@bz> bjacob: yeah, typos
# [05:46] <bjacob> :)
# [05:49] <@bz> bjacob: hmm
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# [05:49] <@bz> bjacob: so this nullable argument business
# [05:49] <@bz> bjacob: is that going to stay or change?
# [05:49] <@bz> bjacob: because the spec nearly never says what to do with a null arg
# [05:50] <bjacob> bz: hey, i barely followed this. any real problem must be fixed, but there's been much work recently, be patient. we just need to not forget about it.
# [05:50] <@bz> bjacob: ok
# [05:50] <@bz> bjacob: in any case, I'm just preserving our behavior for now
# [05:50] <bjacob> bz: ok
# [05:50] <@bz> bjacob: we just have lots of behavior that's not actually defined in the spec. ;)
# [05:51] <@bz> bjacob: and the question is whether I should be raising spec issues or not
# [05:51] <bjacob> bz: if you give me a list of issues / ML threads to remind people about in next webgl confcall, i can do that
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# [05:51] <@bz> bjacob: pretty much all functions that take a nullable gl object don't actually say what to do when null is passed
# [05:51] <bjacob> ok
# [05:53] <bjacob> bz: not even by implicitly falling back to opengl spec?
# [05:54] <bjacob> bz: null js object --> zero opengl id / null ptr ?
# [05:56] <bjacob> bz: a lot of webgl funcs fall back in this way. for example, bindFramebuffer(null) maps to glBindFramebuffer(0) which just unbinds current framebuffer
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# [06:03] <bjacob> bz: attachShader seems to be a case that's completely unspecified
# [06:03] <bjacob> as the OpenGL ES 2 spec doesn't seem to say what to do when passed shader=0
# [06:03] <bjacob> i'll raise this q on the ml
# [06:04] <@khuey> hmm
# [06:04] <@khuey> is anyone around who knows about browser.xml?
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# [06:06] <jdm> *crickets*
# [06:06] <@khuey> yeah
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# [06:07] <bjacob> bz: oh i see. "
# [06:07] <bjacob> GL_INVALID_VALUE is generated if either
# [06:07] <bjacob> program or shader
# [06:08] <bjacob> is not a value generated by OpenGL.
# [06:08] <bjacob> bz: oh i see now. shader=0 is not a value that the GL will ever generate. So this gives INVALID_VALUE, because "
# [06:08] <bjacob> GL_INVALID_VALUE is generated if either
# [06:08] <bjacob> program or shader
# [06:08] <bjacob> is not a value generated by OpenGL
# [06:08] <bjacob> "
# [06:09] <bjacob> bz: did you see a case that does not reduce to something that's properly handled in the opengl ES spec?
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# [06:19] <@bz> bjacob: hey, you still there?
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# [06:19] <bjacob> bz: i am
# [06:20] <@bz> bjacob: looking at opengl spec
# [06:20] <@bz> bjacob: say getAttachedShaders()
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# [06:22] <@bz> bjacob: seems to say nothing about program like that
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# [06:23] <bjacob> indeed, it doesnt seem to say what happens if program==0
# [06:24] <bjacob> bz: but it could also be that all this is explained in some remote section "implied errors on bogus function arguments"
# [06:24] <bjacob> bz: ah, check out section 2.5
# [06:24] <bjacob> GL Errors
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# [06:24] <bjacob> er, no,, that doesnt say much
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# [06:26] <@bz> bjacob: anyway
# [06:26] <@bz> bjacob: If _I_ were implementing this, I would have no idea what to do on null program. ;)
# [06:27] <bjacob> bz: except if there already were a conformance test suite already much more exhaustive than the spec and passing it was the path of least resistence
# [06:27] <bjacob> ;-)
# [06:27] <bjacob> but you make good points, this must be fixed in the spec
# [06:27] <bjacob> now that i see the problems, i'll fight for it
# [06:28] <bjacob> it's very likely though to settle on whatever the conformance tests already mandate
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# [06:29] <@bz> bjacob: yeah, I don't think this will take much fighting
# [06:30] <@bz> bjacob: just needs to be written down
# [06:30] <bjacob> the next fight in webgl WG is vendor prefixes
# [06:30] <bjacob> as i'd like a bit more than the passive non-disagreement with my proposal
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# [06:51] <@bz> sweet
# [06:51] <@bz> we actually do this wron
# [06:51] <@bz> er, wrong
# [06:52] <@bz> bjacob: ping
# [06:52] <bjacob> pong
# [06:52] <@bz> bjacob: getBufferParameter
# [06:52] <@bz> bjacob: the return value is sometimes signed, sometimes unsigned
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# [06:52] <@bz> bjacob: our impl seems to treat it as always signed?
# [06:52] <bjacob> bz: indeed
# [06:53] <@bz> bjacob: should I just leave this behavior for now?
# [06:53] * @bz notes that we also support more pnames than the spec lists?
# [06:53] <bjacob> bz: i dont think it matters at all: the unsigned pname is BUFFER_USAGE, that's just symbolic constants in the range 0..65535
# [06:53] <bjacob> bz: yep indeed
# [06:54] <bjacob> bz: that is a bigger concern
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# [06:54] <@bz> bjacob: would it make sense to just fix the idl to always return long then?
# [06:54] <KWierso> jdm++
# [06:54] <@bz> hmm
# [06:54] <@bz> I guess we sometimes return null too
# [06:54] <@bz> but I could make it a |long?|
# [06:54] <jdm> it's unfortunate that there are still about 30 bugs that I haven't done any investigation into beyond the initial filing
# [06:54] <bjacob> bz: i'm not too comfortable with hardcoding that fact. no, let's fix our code, it's just that that part isnt a big deal. the extraneous pnames are a bigger deal, as it's testable by js today
# [06:55] <@bz> bjacob: ok
# [06:55] <@bz> bjacob: well, for those extraneous pnames, should they be signed or unsigned? ;)
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# [06:56] <bjacob> bz: _MAPPED and _ACCESS dont even exist in opengl es
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# [06:56] <@bz> ok
# [06:57] <bjacob> i guess _ACCESS would be uint16 and _MAPPED would be bool
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# [06:57] <@bz> ok
# [06:57] <bjacob> i
# [06:57] <bjacob> i'm filing the bug
# [06:57] <@bz> but in the gl api they're just 32-bit ints?
# [06:57] <bjacob> bz: yes
# [06:57] <@bz> signed ones?
# [06:58] <bjacob> yes
# [06:58] <@bz> and then you have to cast on the caller?
# [06:58] <@bz> ok
# [06:58] <bjacob> yes
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# [06:58] <bjacob> filing the bug
# [06:58] <@bz> I'll just fix that in my patch, I guess
# [06:58] <bjacob> oh ok, perfect
# [06:58] <bjacob> i'll still file the bug
# [06:58] <@bz> sounds good
# [06:58] <bjacob> note new status whiteboard keywords
# [06:59] <bjacob> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/WebGL/Resources#Bug_tracking
# [06:59] <bjacob> here i'll use webgl-conformance webgl-test-needed
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# [06:59] <@bz> sound good
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# [07:01] <bjacob> jdm: bring your cough drop and talk about mentholed bugs?
# [07:02] <jdm> ha
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# [07:03] <KWierso> jdm: blame vidyo?
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# [07:11] <@bz> bjacob: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1572447
# [07:11] <@bz> bjacob: look sane-ish?
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# [07:14] <@bz> bjacob: or should I just nuke MAPPED and ACCESS?
# [07:14] <bjacob> bz: you can definitely nuke MAPPED and ACCESS
# [07:14] <@bz> ok
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# [07:15] <bjacob> bz: i'm still trying to understand the code. what i dont get is why is the writableVariant still needed if you've already stored the correct result in a jsval
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# [07:16] <@bz> ah
# [07:16] <@bz> so
# [07:16] <@bz> the reason is that we're sort of managing risks by having a pref for the new bindings
# [07:16] <bjacob> bz: ah i see
# [07:16] <@bz> so we can flip the pref to turn them off on aurora or beta
# [07:17] <@bz> so for a cycle or two we need both sets of APIs
# [07:17] <@bz> the XPCOM one and the new one
# [07:17] <@bz> for most methods the XPCOM thing is a lot simpler
# [07:17] <@bz> e.g....
# [07:17] <@bz> NS_IMETHODIMP
# [07:17] <@bz> WebGLContext::GetAttribLocation(nsIWebGLProgram *pobj,
# [07:17] <@bz> const nsAString& name,
# [07:17] <@bz> PRInt32 *retval)
# [07:17] <@bz> {
# [07:17] <@bz> *retval = GetAttribLocation(static_cast<WebGLProgram*>(pobj), name);
# [07:17] <@bz> return NS_OK;
# [07:17] <@bz> }
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# [07:18] <@bz> then once we ship this stuff we can nuke the XPCOM bits
# [07:18] <@bz> assuming we don't have C++ callers into this stuff
# [07:18] <@bz> (so remove the XPIDL for this, etc)
# [07:18] <bjacob> ok
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# [07:19] <@bz> I could change the xpidl to return a jsval instead of a variant
# [07:19] <@bz> but trying to minimize churn there
# [07:19] <@bz> since that's supposed to be the "oh, shit, something is broken" case
# [07:20] <@bz> btw, is the test suite part of our tests?
# [07:20] <bjacob> it is, in content/canvas/test/webgl/
# [07:20] <bjacob> as a mochitest
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# [07:20] <bjacob> in M1
# [07:20] <@bz> excellent
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# [07:20] <@bz> maybe we don't care about being able to pref this off, then
# [07:20] <@bz> if it ends up passing tests
# [07:20] <@bz> we can decide that closer to landing.
# [07:21] * @bz is nowhere there yet
# [07:21] <bjacob> indeed. the only other conceivable reason would be a perf regression, for which regression tests havent landed yet
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# [07:21] <@bz> and that would be pretty odd
# [07:21] <@bz> unless I screw up of course
# [07:21] <@bz> could happen
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# [07:21] <bjacob> bz: i hope it's ok that we are landing webgl patches while you're doing this work, which will cause some conflicts with your patch
# [07:22] <bjacob> no big sweeping changes
# [07:22] <@bz> I merged a few days ago
# [07:22] <@bz> that merge was ok
# [07:23] <@bz> in a lot of methods I'm not changing much
# [07:23] <@bz> other than the validation up front and the method signature
# [07:23] <@bz> the fact that the |return Error....| is staying helps. ;)
# [07:23] <bjacob> cool
# [07:23] <@bz> but yeah, I sort of assume I'll need to deal with conflicts as they arise
# [07:23] <bjacob> one new webgl extension is coming, with a new interface, will be one more thing to port
# [07:24] <bjacob> games really need it
# [07:24] <bjacob> (s3tc textures)
# [07:24] <@bz> hmm
# [07:24] <@bz> ok
# [07:25] <@bz> I do wonder whether I should have just done the context
# [07:25] <@bz> not the various helper objects
# [07:25] <@bz> and then done them as followups
# [07:25] <@bz> might have been easier to land piecemeal
# [07:25] <@bz> (new-binding objects can take old-binding stuff as arguments)
# [07:26] <@bz> anyway
# [07:27] <@bz> it's bedtime
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# [08:03] <@roc> njn: ping?
# [08:05] <njn> roc: pong
# [08:06] <@roc> have you looked at PL_ArenaAllocate at all?
# [08:06] <njn> roc: at times, yes
# [08:06] <@roc> PL Arenas don't seem to be used very much
# [08:06] <njn> roc: doesn't layout use them a bunch?
# [08:07] <@roc> it looks to me like the "attempt to allocate from the heap" path does a clownshoes if the arena size has been set to 1024
# [08:07] <@roc> as nsDisplayListBuilder::nsDisplayListBuilder does
# [08:07] <@roc> layout uses nsPresArena a lot
# [08:07] <@roc> which is not based on PLArena
# [08:07] <njn> roc: I thought it was layered on top of PLArean
# [08:07] <njn> roc: which path exactly?
# [08:08] <@roc> hmm, you're right
# [08:08] <njn> I fixed a clownshoes bug in PLArena, that was the 700MB of layout memory one (you might remember)
# [08:09] <@roc> ah
# [08:09] <@roc> I see what you've done
# [08:09] <@roc> ok
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# [08:10] <njn> roc: I used instrumentation to find and fix all those clownshoes bugs, as of a couple of months ago I wasn't seeing any significant ones
# [08:11] <AryehGregor> "clownshoes"?
# [08:12] <KWierso> AryehGregor: http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/c/f/What-Is-Clownshoes.htm
# [08:12] <mccr8> This actually has a specific technical meaning. ;)
# [08:12] * KWierso builds a better clown
# [08:12] <AryehGregor> That page doesn't explain "does a clownshoes".
# [08:13] <AryehGregor> I get the impression it's being used more specifically here.
# [08:13] <KWierso> "does something ridiculously silly"
# [08:13] <mccr8> AryehGregor: in this conext: http://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2011/08/05/clownshoes-available-in-sizes-2101-and-up/
# [08:13] <mccr8> KWierso: it does have a more specific meaning here.
# [08:14] <mccr8> though it is sort of a "backronym" in that a technical meaning was assigned to it after the fact.
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# [08:15] <@roc> njn: are you still working on shrink stuff?
# [08:15] <njn> roc: we just started a memshrink work week!
# [08:15] <njn> :)
# [08:15] <@roc> what is there left to do?
# [08:15] <njn> roc: ADD-ONS
# [08:15] <njn> ahem
# [08:15] <njn> foreground image decoding
# [08:15] <njn> compacting generational GC
# [08:16] <njn> khuey has a plan to make leaking impossible
# [08:16] <@roc> uh
# [08:16] <@roc> sounds good!
# [08:16] <mccr8> njn means, to make certain kinds of chrome->content leaks...
# [08:16] <njn> what? khuey has misled me O_o
# [08:17] <njn> roc: those chrome->content leaks cover a lot of the add-on leak cases
# [08:17] <@khuey> :-P
# [08:17] <njn> roc: plus just lots of general grunt work
# [08:17] <njn> whack-a-mole
# [08:18] <njn> b2g's going to create some interesting memory pressures
# [08:18] <heycam> should invest in a few cans of this to spray over the codebase http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwU8JObQMXc
# [08:19] <njn> roc: here is the MemShrink:P1 list: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---;resolution=DUPLICATE;status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr;query_format=advanced;status_whiteboard=MemShrink%3AP1;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED;bug_status=NEW;bug_status=ASSIGNED;bug_status=REOPENED;order=bugs.bug_id;list_id=2861423
# [08:19] <@khuey> ha
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# [08:20] <@roc> is anyone working on lazy script compilation?
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# [08:22] <njn> roc: I am
# [08:22] <@roc> ooh nice
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# [08:22] <njn> roc: I started a couple of days ago, I have some idea of what I'm doing, but it'll take some time
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# [08:23] <AryehGregor> Is there some documentation I can read, or a sample patch, that tells me the right way to add a new header file?
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# [08:24] <AryehGregor> (I want to add a public static method like nsHTMLFontElement::ParseLegacyFontSize that editing code can call, but nsHTMLFontElement has no header file I can include)
# [08:24] <AryehGregor> (maybe I should copy the code elsewhere, but that class seems like it makes the most sense, no?)
# [08:25] <AryehGregor> (unless I'm going to have to get into dependency headaches by doing it this way)
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# [08:28] <@roc> so you want to creat ensHTMLFontElement.h?
# [08:28] <AryehGregor> Well, maybe.
# [08:28] <AryehGregor> If that's the right place to put it.
# [08:28] <@roc> another option is to put it in nsContentUtils
# [08:28] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger suggested it could be in nsContentUtils instead.
# [08:28] <AryehGregor> Yeah.
# [08:28] <AryehGregor> Maybe I'll go with that, it's easier. :)
# [08:29] <@roc> some people think that dumping a whole lot of unrelated utility code in nsContentUtils/nsLayoutUtils is ugly
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# [08:29] <@roc> but personally, I haven't experienced much of a downside
# [08:30] <AryehGregor> Should I just stick the new method at the end?
# [08:30] <@roc> maybe next to ParseIntMarginValue?
# [08:30] <AryehGregor> . . . what's the idea behind "/* static */" and "// static"? Why are those not just "static"?
# [08:30] <AryehGregor> Hmm, okay.
# [08:32] <jdm> AryehGregor: pretty sure that isn't legal in non-inline definitions
# [08:32] <AryehGregor> Oh, really?
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# [08:33] <AryehGregor> So what happens if you call a method statically that's not declared as static? It just silently works but this == NULL?
# [08:33] <jdm> AryehGregor: say what?
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# [08:33] * AryehGregor comes from a PHP and JS background, is only vaguely familiar with compiled code :)
# [08:33] <jdm> AryehGregor: as far as I know, the static modifier must go on the member declaration, not on the definition
# [08:34] <AryehGregor> Oh, I see.
# [08:34] <AryehGregor> But then it applies to the definition too, you're saying.
# [08:34] <AryehGregor> Makes sense.
# [08:34] <jdm> yes
# [08:34] <AryehGregor> Okay, good. That explains it.
# [08:34] <@khuey> AryehGregor: Foo::NonStaticMethod will fail to compile
# [08:34] <AryehGregor> Right, that's what I'd have thought.
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# [08:37] <@roc> learning C++ by hacking Gecko, eh?
# [08:37] <@roc> many famous names have trod that path
# [08:38] <AryehGregor> Well, I had basic familiarity before.
# [08:38] <AryehGregor> I was perfectly capable of writing simple C programs.
# [08:38] <@roc> Elika actually learned to *program* by hacking Gecko, which is significantly more scary
# [08:39] <@roc> but I guess if you're a genius, anything works
# [08:39] <Mark_Capella> anyone here on a WIN machine using openssh to push to try? im stack making mine work ...
# [08:39] <AryehGregor> Mark_Capella, did you remember your passphrase?
# [08:40] <@khuey> roc: wow
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# [08:40] <Mark_Capella> no - i send and got a new key configured - still wont work ! (doesnt ask for the passphrase anymore though)
# [08:40] <dwarfcrank> roc: that's pretty badass
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# [08:41] <Unfocused> congired how? added to pageant?
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# [08:42] <AryehGregor> What is ParseAttribute used for on HTML element classes? Serialization? Why aren't attributes reserialized as the same string that was read?
# [08:43] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsGenericElement.h#706
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# [08:43] <AryehGregor> Thanks.
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# [08:45] <Mark_Capella> aryehgregor: I used openssh to generate a key pair ... sent the id_rsa.pub file to it .. they put it in place ... i have both files id_rsa and id_rsa.pub
# [08:45] <Mark_Capella> in folder .ssh under my c:\users\master directory ... same place mozilla-central hangs under ... got a congif file in .ssh with Host hg.mozilla.org and
# [08:45] <Mark_Capella> User <markcapella@twcny.rr.com> (2 lines) and a commit mesage for the try options ... then i try hg push -f ssh://hg.mozilla.org/try/
# [08:45] <Mark_Capella> and get remote: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). ... abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
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# [08:46] <AryehGregor> Mark_Capella, is your private key named "~/.ssh/id_rsa"?
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# [08:46] <Mark_Capella> yes
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# [08:47] <AryehGregor> Try removing the "<" and ">" from the "User" line, so it says "User markcapella@twcny.rr.com". Not sure if it's necessary, but that's how mine is set up.
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# [08:48] <Mark_Capella> oh thats gonna do it ........... now it says no local changes found .... cause i just qpoped -a .... thats gotta be it dude :)
# [08:49] <Mark_Capella> winDOHs!
# [08:49] <jlebar|mac> jet: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1572629
# [08:51] <Mark_Capella> aryehgregor: curious ... if i push to try the same patch twice will it just run two try builds? or will it complain
# [08:52] <AryehGregor> Mark_Capella, I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I believe that whenever you push to try, it applies the patches to mozilla-central.
# [08:52] <AryehGregor> So it will run two try builds.
# [08:52] <AryehGregor> If you tried checking out try, you'd just get a copy of mozilla-central, regardless of whatever anyone pushed to it. I think.
# [08:53] <Mark_Capella> k: ive got a small patch running under autoland to try ... gonna push to try manually to see if it works
# [09:00] <Mark_Capella> hee hee hee hee - success! >nyuck nyuck nyuck <
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# [09:03] <AryehGregor> Another C++ question: what are the relative merits of passing pointers vs. passing by reference?
# [09:04] <padenot> AryehGregor: pointer are nullable
# [09:04] <AryehGregor> Ah.
# [09:04] <padenot> AryehGregor: can be handy in certain cases
# [09:04] <AryehGregor> So if the argument is supposed to never be null, should I always pass by reference?
# [09:04] <AryehGregor> I guess that will be a compile error if it gets passed something that might be null?
# [09:05] <padenot> AryehGregor: I suppose so
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# [09:08] <@khuey> "it depends"
# [09:09] <@khuey> we never use references to interface pointers, for instance
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# [09:20] <nattofriends> well, you can't actually null a reference
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# [09:21] <AryehGregor> In my case, it turned out the caller had a pointer in one case rather than a reference, so I guess I have to make that argument take a pointer.
# [09:22] <@khuey> nattofriends: well, you sort of can
# [09:22] <@khuey> T* ptr = NULL;
# [09:22] <@khuey> T& ref = *ptr;
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# [09:22] <@khuey> that's undefined behavior, of course
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# [09:44] <Callek> anyone feel up to helping me out? :-)
# [09:44] <Callek> willing to mark my comm-a push properly for me? http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=SeaMonkey-Aurora&rev=88e93158d754
# [09:45] <Callek> (sea-fixed would be 2.10, tb-fixed would be 13; and annotate with csets)
# [09:45] * Callek hopes I have some kind souls around :-)
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# [10:11] <heycam> c++ question anyone? I have code like this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1572736
# [10:11] <heycam> conditionally I have a stack allocated object
# [10:11] <heycam> but I don't want to duplicate the function call
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# [10:14] <tn> declare a SomeObject* first, set it to &object inside that if?
# [10:14] <tn> no wait!
# [10:14] <heycam> yeah I don't think that works
# [10:14] <tn> heh, yeah
# [10:14] <heycam> maybe with a goto it might, who knows :)
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# [10:15] <heycam> I'm sure there must be some awesome template that will let me encapsulate a possibly constructed stack variable
# [10:15] <tn> you're good will be nice, but no one will understand it?
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# [10:17] <tn> you're code...
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# [10:17] <heycam> nice = only if people can understand it I guess
# [10:18] <heycam> (a buffer on the stack of size sizeof(DoSomething), placement new to construct the object in there conditionally...)
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# [10:21] <dwarfcrank> does it really have to be on the stack?
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# [10:23] <heycam> dwarfcrank, not really, but if there's a simple way to avoid a heap allocation that doesn't make the code harder to understand, I'd prefer to avoid it
# [10:24] <dwarfcrank> ah
# [10:24] <dwarfcrank> can't think of anything, sorry
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# [10:32] <glandium> heycam: why don't you want to duplicate the function call? because the args list is complicated?
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# [10:33] <glandium> heycam: depending on the surrounding code, you could be able to replace DoSomething(arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, &object); with DoSomethingElse(&object);
# [10:33] <heycam> glandium, it's not too complicated -- just four args without any real computation
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# [10:33] <NeilAway> roc: that's impressive
# [10:33] <heycam> glandium, it's just the repetition looks a bit ugly
# [10:33] <NeilAway> oops, still 2 hours scrollback
# [10:34] <heycam> glandium, 3 of the 4 arguments come from local variables, so I don't save too much that way unfortunately
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# [10:54] <glandium> http://medicaldaily.com/news/20120411/9496/alcohol-solving-skills-analytical-thinking-creativity-study.htm
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# [11:11] <AryehGregor> Does "const nsAString& aValue" actually make sense, or is the "const" redundant?
# [11:11] <dwarfcrank> It makes sense
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# [11:12] <AryehGregor> So it's the same as "nsAString const& aValue" and "nsAString& const aValue"? But with * instead of &, those would be different?
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# [11:19] <AryehGregor> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/const-correctness.html#faq-18.8
# [11:19] <AryehGregor> So it's the same as "nsAString const& aValue", but "nsAString& const aValue" is the same as "nsAString& aValue".
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# [11:20] <AryehGregor> Which begs the question of why "nsAString& const aValue" isn't a compile error.
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# [11:31] <AryehGregor> How aggressively should one use const?
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# [11:35] <JesperHansen> Has anyone ever tried to make the nightly window very small on windows? The close button disappears
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# [11:38] <AryehGregor> Also, what's the value in using NS_NAMED_LITERAL_STRING instead of just using literals?
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# [11:45] <mounir> AryehGregor: have you read https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_internal_string_guide ?
# [11:46] <AryehGregor> I've looked at it before, yeah.
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# [11:46] <mounir> AryehGregor: there is something about NS_NAMED_LITERAL_STRING
# [11:47] <mounir> this wiki page has been my closest friends for some time ;)
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# [11:59] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: well, NS_NAMED_LITERAL_STRING does try to use literals if they are supported ;-)
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# [12:13] <Ms3ger> AryehGregor: I believe the point of NS_NAMED_LITERAL_STRING is to reduce code size when you use the same string multiple times
# [12:13] <AryehGregor> Ms3ger, you mean compiled code size? The linker really isn't smart enough to do that itself?
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# [12:14] <Ms3ger> I dunno, it might well be by now
# [12:15] <dwarfcrank> What was the reason for nsnull, by the way?
# [12:15] <dwarfcrank> Naming consistency?
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# [12:16] <Ms3ger> Sillyness, I'd say :)
# [12:16] <Callek> historic reason
# [12:16] <Callek> really
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# [12:18] <Callek> but is a nice handy replacement for something like |(void*)0| ;-)
# [12:19] <dwarfcrank> :)
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# [12:33] <Ms3ger> Is someone going to merge already? It's a bit silly that all the changes in tonight's nightly are mine...
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# [12:36] <darktrojan> 2012-04-16: the Ms2ger nightly
# [12:36] <Ms3ger> Apparently so
# [12:36] <Ms3ger> All slackers, dammit
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# [12:39] <@smaug> Ms3ger: you could review one my patch so that I could land it ;)
# [12:39] <@smaug> unfortunately it really needs review from sicking or bz
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# [12:39] <Mark_Capella> or you could review+ your own patch to my patch and call it mine
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# [13:27] <dwarfcrank> Ah, okay
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# [15:11] <fox2mike> espindola: no, what server are you using?
# [15:12] <espindola> smtp.mozilla.ocm
# [15:12] <espindola> com
# [15:12] <fox2mike> try smtp.mozilla.org
# [15:12] <fox2mike> .com has been decommissioned, never should have been used
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# [15:12] <espindola> ah, thanks
# [15:13] <fox2mike> <3
# [15:13] <sheppy> fox2mike: is there a reason it can't be an alias for .org?
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# [15:13] <fox2mike> sheppy: no valid SSL certs
# [15:13] <fox2mike> and we didn't want to renew them
# [15:13] <espindola> .org worked, thanks
# [15:13] <sheppy> fox2mike: makes sense. Thanks for the info.
# [15:13] <fox2mike> all the auto configs pick up the right mail servers
# [15:14] <espindola> no idea where I got the .com from...
# [15:14] <fox2mike> espindola: yeah. so the reason that was setup was for some old skool windows phones
# [15:14] <fox2mike> back in the day
# [15:14] <fox2mike> sheppy: yw
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# [15:15] <AryehGregor> Israel is GMT+0200, and the workweek is Sunday to Thursday. An interesting consequence of this is that by the time it's Monday morning in America, I've already had two full workdays.
# [15:16] <bhearsum> fox2mike: out of curiosity, why shouldn't .com have been used?
# [15:16] <AryehGregor> In particular: ehsan now has nine new patches in his review queue. \o/
# [15:16] <sheppy> Nice. Ehsan is a machine.
# [15:16] <sheppy> He will get through them fast.
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# [15:17] <fox2mike> bhearsum: because it wasn't the original. Everything that needs to work now uses mail.mozilla.com (works now for smtp too IIRC)
# [15:17] <bhearsum> oh, i see
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# [15:17] <bhearsum> i thought you meant that we shouldn't use .com at all for smtp
# [15:18] <AryehGregor> Fast review is part of what makes working on editing bearable. :)
# [15:18] <sheppy> :)
# [15:18] * AryehGregor has had to wait a week or more for reviews from some other people :(
# [15:18] <sheppy> You've been working on editor?
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# [15:18] <sheppy> I lovemyounthen!
# [15:18] <sheppy> My ipad typing is failing me! :)
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# [15:20] <AryehGregor> $ hg log editor/ -u ayg --template '{author}\n' | wc -l
# [15:20] <AryehGregor> 16
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# [15:20] <AryehGregor> Plus another nine pending.
# [15:20] <AryehGregor> And more to come.
# [15:20] <AryehGregor> It seems like that's what I'm working on for now.
# [15:21] * AryehGregor appears to have 57 patches total now
# [15:21] <fox2mike> bhearsum: mail.mozilla.com != smtp.mozilla.com :)
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# [15:21] <fox2mike> bhearsum: I said don't use smtp.mozilla.com
# [15:23] <@smaug> AryehGregor is fixing editor/ ?
# [15:23] <AryehGregor> smaug, I'm fixing some editor bugs, yeah . . .
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# [15:35] <bhearsum> fox2mike: i know that now, jeez :P
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# [15:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e080a936c899 - Joel Maher - Bug 745727 - deploy a new talos.zip for tcheck2 and non null revision/sourcestamps. r=armenzg
# [15:38] <prazuber> hi, is anyone here who is working on Mozilla GSoC applications?
# [15:38] <bhearsum> gerv: ^
# [15:38] <prazuber> thanks
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# [15:45] <mounir> gerv: is it too late to propose a subject? (i guess it is...)
# [15:45] <gerv> mounir: Yep, far too late :-)
# [15:45] <gerv> Student applications have closed,
# [15:45] <mounir> and btw, is bugzilla damn slow only for me? :(
# [15:45] <gerv> and we are now picking proposals.
# [15:46] <mounir> gerv: anyone porposed something regarding web forms? :)
# [15:46] <gerv> Nope, nothing.
# [15:46] <mounir> gerv: and I meant proposing a subject for students, not apply as a student
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# [15:46] <gerv> mounir: Right. But students apply to do particular things.
# [15:46] <gerv> So the stage "proposing subjects for students"
# [15:46] <mounir> yes, I remember that
# [15:47] <gerv> happens before "student applications".
# [15:47] <mounir> back in the days ;)
# [15:47] <gerv> So both of those phases are now over.
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# [15:48] <Mark_Capella> bugzilla is sleeping...
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# [15:53] <KWierso> Mark_Capella: seems to be back up now
# [15:55] <mounir> gerv: btw, what happened with the MPL2 transition in m-c?
# [15:56] <KaiRo> KWierso: bugzilla is still slow as hell here
# [15:56] <gerv> mounir: still working on it...
# [15:56] <gerv> Lots of other things got in the way.
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# [15:56] <gerv> Some tests break,
# [15:56] <Mark_Capella> (was napping)
# [15:56] <gerv> and I'm currently not sure which of the errors tryserver is giving me are meaningful,
# [15:56] <gerv> and which are bogus.
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# [15:58] <KWierso> KaiRo: I said back up, not working perfectly
# [15:58] <KWierso> :P
# [15:58] <mounir> gerv: have you considered changing directories by directories to reduce the pain?
# [15:58] <AryehGregor> Hmm . . . is anyone actually getting the expected result I list at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317093#c3>?
# [15:59] <AryehGregor> I thought I fixed that bug and there should be an automated test, but it seems not to be fixed anymore on m-c.
# [15:59] <gerv> mounir: it might reduce the pain for me,
# [15:59] <gerv> but it might increase the pain for people trying to keep patches current.
# [15:59] <AryehGregor> Oh, never mind -- I got it.
# [15:59] <mounir> oh, assuming a lot of patches touch the top of files
# [15:59] <AryehGregor> It's styleWithCSS.
# [15:59] <mounir> which is pretty uncommon in C++
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# [16:07] <mounir> is Yifan Mai here?
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# [16:10] <hsivonen> smaug: I'm not going to the HTML WG f2f. Are you going?
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# [16:11] <hsivonen> smaug: no point in damaging my health with jetlag for a meeting that doesn't have proper agenda and that people from the MV or SF offices can easily go to
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# [16:13] <Havvy> mounir: You're the one who is assigned to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555985 right?
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# [16:14] <mounir> Havvy: I will be able to tell you when bugzilla will wake up from its deep sleep ;)
# [16:14] <@smaug> hsivonen: yeah
# [16:14] <@smaug> hsivonen: I think I'm not going there either
# [16:15] <@smaug> I was just in US
# [16:15] <mounir> Havvy: ooooh... yes, indeed, there is one small bug to fix to have this landed
# [16:15] <@smaug> so suffering yet another week from jetlag doesn't sound like too good idea
# [16:15] <Havvy> mounir: Implement meter element enough to ship
# [16:15] <mounir> Havvy: there is an accessibility issue that needs to be fixed before landing
# [16:15] <@smaug> hsivonen: I'll try to get to your patch soon...
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# [16:16] <hsivonen> smaug: the meeting seems to be premised on "everyone" being in the bay area anyway so might as well meet without an agenda
# [16:16] <Havvy> So it is being worked on, and not in the stasis that it looks like it is in?
# [16:16] <hsivonen> smaug: thanks
# [16:16] <@smaug> it just looks like yet another small-but-über-tricky-patch-to-review
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# [16:17] <hsivonen> smaug: you can compare the </script>-relevant state transitions with normal and with </textarea> and </style> state transitions
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# [16:18] <@smaug> ah
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# [16:18] <froydnj> ugh, why is bugzilla so slow today
# [16:18] <mounir> Havvy: no, it's not being actively worked on
# [16:19] <mounir> Havvy: though, the issue isn't very complex, if you want to give it a try, I could help you
# [16:20] <Havvy> I lack the time. College + other stuff...
# [16:20] <mounir> Havvy: ok
# [16:20] <mounir> Havvy: hopefully, I will get an intern in a month that will work on HTML5 Forms this summer and might fix that
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# [16:22] <Havvy> Hopefully...which bug is blocking?
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# [16:23] <mounir> Havvy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687202
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# [16:29] <Havvy> I also have absolutely no knowledge of C++, and the last time I used C, I got an infinite loop using a built-in function.
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# [16:50] <@smaug> so, bugzilla is superslow today
# [16:50] <KWierso> quite
# [16:51] <ttaubert> sucks
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# [16:52] <Havvy> Somebody uploaded a mozmeme for it. Probably uploaded quicker than the time it took to load a bug.
# [16:53] <KWierso> Havvy: someone already did: http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/21210956110/sooooo-slowwww
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# [16:53] <JesperHansen> KWierso: that's what he said :)
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# [16:55] <ddahl> "Bugzilla has suffered an internal error"
# [16:55] <ddahl> sadface
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# [16:56] <JesperHansen> someone doing a 500q/sec again?
# [16:57] <@bsmedberg> makes it hard to deal with weekend bugmail. I guess I'll have to write code instead! ;-)
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# [16:58] <KWierso> bsmedberg: http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19675495482/no-bugzilla-no-problem-with-apologies-to
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# [17:55] <mounir> smaug: could you summarize for a slow brain like mine what's the difference between {Pre,Post}HandleEvent
# [17:56] <mounir> smaug: does that mean before/after content handler call?
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# [17:58] <@smaug> mounir: you mean nsIDOMEventTarget::Pre/PostHandleEvent?
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# [17:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/14084207e9d1 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 740079 - Provide a synchronous API to get precise information about the current connection status. r=cjones f=kaze
# [17:59] <mounir> smaug: yes
# [17:59] <@smaug> mounir: the event target chain is created during PreHandleEvent() then the event is actually dispatched, and listeners get called. After that PostHandleEvent is called for each item in the target chain
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# [18:00] <mounir> smaug: so if the event is canceled in the chain, posthandleevent is never called?
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# [18:00] <@smaug> posthandle is always called
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# [18:01] <@smaug> well, except if the event doesn't bubble
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# [18:01] <@smaug> then posthandle is called only on target
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# [18:04] <@smaug> mounir: may I ask why you asked ?
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# [18:05] <mounir> smaug: I wonder why we handle the change event case at the end of nsHTMLInputElement::PreHandleEvent and not in PostHandleEvent
# [18:05] <mounir> mostly curiosity
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# [18:07] <@smaug> mounir: because we want to call change listeners before blur listeners
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# [18:11] <mounir> and other UA seem to have the same behavior
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# [18:13] <rniwa> ehsan: ping
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# [18:14] <@ehsan> rniwa: hi
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# [18:14] <rniwa> ehsan: have you gotten access back to your gmail account?
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# [18:15] <@ehsan> rniwa: yeah, my account was enabled on saturday
# [18:15] <@ehsan> rniwa: do you know if there is any way for me to figure out what happened?
# [18:15] <rniwa> ehsan: great.
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# [18:16] <rniwa> ehsan: no.
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# [18:16] <@ehsan> bummer
# [18:17] <@ehsan> rniwa: btw I still need to go through my mail, I think the webkit-dev thread is on the list of things that are sitting in my inbox
# [18:17] <@smaug> ehsan: just give up with gmail and move on :)
# [18:17] <@ehsan> rniwa: but I might have missed some messages there
# [18:17] <@ehsan> smaug: that I'm going to do very soon :)
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# [18:24] <Ms2ger> ehsan, all you need to do is enroll at smaug's university, they have a good mail server ;)
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# [18:25] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I'll set up my own mailserver, it's not that hard!
# [18:25] <@ehsan> currently pulling down all of my mail from gmail
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# [18:25] <@smaug> hmm, bz_sleep can't be still asleep
# [18:25] <@ehsan> so that I can put it up on the new server
# [18:25] <Ms2ger> That does sound unlikely, given his kids
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# [18:43] <bjacob> hey
# [18:43] <bjacob> in XPIDL, does boolean still map to PRBool or is it bool now?
# [18:44] <@smaug> bool
# [18:45] <@smaug> mayhemer__: are there some ways to check if necko is leaking. I mean something which would check if there are closed channels alive
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# [18:46] <bjacob> smaug: thanks
# [18:46] <mayhemer__> smaug: I don't know about anything
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# [18:47] <mayhemer__> smaug: what channels you want to monitor?
# [18:48] <@smaug> I guess http
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# [18:49] <@smaug> mayhemer__: though, I'm not quite sure
# [18:49] <Ms2ger> mwu++
# [18:49] <@smaug> mayhemer__: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743178#c36 is an example where something is kept alive too long
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# [18:49] <mayhemer__> smaug: the leak detection enabled build doesn't work for you?
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# [18:50] <espindola> billm, ping
# [18:50] <@smaug> what leak detection enabled build?
# [18:50] <@smaug> mayhemer__: btw, I'm talking about runtime leaks
# [18:50] <@smaug> not leaks which show still during shutdown
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# [18:51] <@smaug> mayhemer__: bug 743178 is possibly CORS and content/ bug, but it would be good to be able to monitor what kinds of stuff necko keeps alive
# [18:51] <billm> espinolda: pong
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# [18:51] <espindola> billm, about the leak with incremental_gc
# [18:51] <espindola> I tried reproducing it on linux
# [18:51] <espindola> by setting the budget to 1 ms
# [18:52] <mayhemer__> smaug: when you build with tests enabled, you get a leak log after you exit mochitests
# [18:52] <espindola> and by locking to one cpu
# [18:52] <espindola> that failed
# [18:52] <@smaug> mayhemer__: yes, that is about shutdown leaks
# [18:52] <mayhemer__> smaug: but I think you can get it even when you do a normal run, just set some env vars or so
# [18:52] <espindola> I have a windows build going, but the most interesting thing so far is that it is passing on try :-(
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# [18:52] <espindola> billm, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f8a2f9e91955
# [18:52] <mayhemer__> smaug: but you may need leaks sooner then before shutdown
# [18:52] <@smaug> XPCOM_MEM_LEAK_LOG=1
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# [18:53] <mayhemer__> smaug: yeah! that is it...
# [18:53] <@smaug> I have that always set
# [18:53] <@smaug> but it doesn't help with runtime leaks
# [18:53] <mayhemer__> smaug: however, http channels get closed with their docshells (loadgroups)
# [18:53] <billm> espinolda: I'm kinda skeptical that the leak mccr8 pointed out is related. in that case, it seems like the leak is likely related to the timeout that happens earlier.
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# [18:54] <billm> espinolda: I've only seen the leak happen on windows (and maybe macos)
# [18:54] <@smaug> mayhemer__: it might make some debugging easier if there was some way to check which all http channels exist
# [18:54] <mayhemer__> smaug: we close all http connections during shutdown
# [18:55] <espindola> billm, it is passing on windows on try I linked
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# [18:55] <lsblakk> bz_sleep: ping - looking for a landing on bug 714631 today for go-to-build beta6
# [18:55] <mayhemer__> smaug: you will have to write something
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# [18:55] <espindola> I am downloading the builds from the original try push to see if I can reproduce it with them
# [18:56] <@smaug> mayhemer__: ok
# [18:56] <billm> espinolda: it doesn't happen every time. usually every 3 or 4 runs
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# [18:56] <espindola> billm, I am asking for more oth runs, lets see what happens
# [18:56] <espindola> thanks
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# [18:57] <mayhemer__> smaug: just have a void (non-reffering) array in nshttphandler where you add channel in their constructors and removed in dtors
# [18:57] <billm> espinolda: thanks for looking into it. it's good to have a fresh set of eyes.
# [18:57] <mayhemer__> smaug: HttpBaseChannel is probably what you want to use
# [18:58] <@smaug> mayhemer__: right. and then have some way to dump the information to some file or something
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# [18:58] <mayhemer__> smaug: handler implementes nsIObserver
# [18:59] <mayhemer__> mayhemer__: "profile-change-net-teardown" is your friend ;)
# [18:59] <espindola> billm, do you recommend some documentation on how the incremental gc is supposed to work?
# [18:59] <mayhemer__> smaug: ^^^
# [18:59] <espindola> from the code it looks like only marking is incremental, right?
# [18:59] <@smaug> mayhemer__: ok, I'll look at that stuff
# [18:59] <billm> espinolda: yeah, that's right. there isn't really any documentation right now.
# [18:59] <@smaug> when I next time see a networking related leak
# [18:59] <espindola> (which makes a leak very interesting)
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# [19:01] <billm> it's a little strange. the final GCs are done non-incrementally, so even if we leaked up until then, we should still be able to clean everything up.
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# [19:02] <espindola> billm, and we don't reuse the markings on the last run?
# [19:02] <espindola> the case I am imagining is
# [19:02] <espindola> mark foo
# [19:02] <espindola> go over budget
# [19:02] <mounir> smaug: ctor for Events has landed, right?
# [19:02] <espindola> foo becomes unreachable
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# [19:03] <espindola> last run starts from where the previous one left, think that foo is reachable
# [19:03] <espindola> thinks
# [19:03] <billm> espindola: no, the last GC is a totally new run. the mark bits are cleared when it starts.
# [19:03] <espindola> !
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# [19:04] <billm> espindola: so even if there is a bug in the GC, it must be interactive in a strange way with some refcounting or cycle collector code.
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# [19:05] <espindola> The other thing I have in mind is a thread surviving (relatively) longer because of the smaller gc pauses
# [19:05] <espindola> but that is probably just because I have been debugging too many cases of threads surviving more than we expect :-)
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# [19:06] <@smaug> mounir: yes
# [19:06] <@smaug> mounir: it is possible that there are still few event types which don't support ctors. Depends mainly on the specs
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# [19:07] <billm> espindola: can you say more? I don't know much about how threads are typically used in firefox.
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# [19:07] <mounir> smaug: do we have a special syntax in the idl?
# [19:07] <espindola> billm, they are supposed to be stopped during xpcom shutdown
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# [19:07] <@smaug> mounir: also, no idea about workers. I don't touch workers
# [19:07] <@smaug> mounir: nope. it is manually implemented
# [19:08] <@smaug> mounir: well, we have dictionary {};
# [19:08] <espindola> but at least for some threads, we were just scheduling them for shutdown
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# [19:08] <billm> espindola: and they might not drop refs until they're stopped?
# [19:08] <espindola> billm, they might not finish before the main thread does
# [19:08] <mounir> smaug: by any chance, can you point me to some code implementing an event ctor?
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# [19:09] <billm> espindola: but how can that cause a shutdown leak?
# [19:09] <@smaug> but the actual ctor part is just Initialize() in the class
# [19:09] <@smaug> mounir: are you adding some new event class?
# [19:09] <espindola> so they can potentially do anything. The cases I have seen were threads used for async sql queries
# [19:09] <mounir> smaug: I'm doing a feedback for a new event class
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# [19:09] <@smaug> mounir: nsDOMCustomEvent::InitFromCtor
# [19:09] <@smaug> mounir: or, let me find you a bug
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# [19:10] <espindola> billm, a leak yes. We have seen cases where a database is not closed for example
# [19:10] <@smaug> mounir: https://bug738131.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=612652
# [19:10] <billm> espindola: ah, I see.
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# [19:12] <@smaug> mounir: so, InitFromCtor to the event class, add the relevant dictionary to the idl, and idl to the dictionary_helper_gen.conf and add the stuff to the nsDOMClassInfo.cpp
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# [19:12] <@smaug> I wish that all would be simpler
# [19:12] <mounir> smaug: thanks :)
# [19:12] <mounir> smaug: maybe with the new dom bindings? ;)
# [19:13] <@smaug> won't help much
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# [19:15] <Mark_Capella> ms2ger: imm doing a local build / test on the patch if cool then ill hit TRY with it ... then ... who for the review?
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> jst, as usual :)
# [19:16] <Mark_Capella> si c'iest ca bien
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# [19:18] <Mark_Capella> (not my usual area to work/patch in ... wasnt sure of module owners, peers, chain of command here yet)
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# [19:36] <AryehGregor> Mark_Capella, generally I find it works well to hg log on the relevant directory to get a list of people who tend to review code there.
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# [19:38] <Mark_Capella> yah ... i have the lin to the module owners also ... but was talkin to ms2get so I thought id ask real quick
# [19:38] <Mark_Capella> i could have looked up previous reviewers also i guess but this was quicker
# [19:39] <Waldo> Ms2gerbot
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# [19:41] <sheppy> That's exactly what we'd expect Ms2gerbot to say.
# [19:41] <Wes> Can that be refactored as "ms2ger is an alias for not gavin"?
# [19:42] <Ms2ger> Nope
# [19:42] <Ms2ger> sheppy is, though
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# [19:42] <sheppy> Is what? Confused? If so, yes.
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# [19:45] <philor> bjacob: you broke Android on esr-10 with https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr10/rev/40c57cc64bbe which, looking at it, is somewhat surprising
# [19:45] <bjacob> philor: looking
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# [19:45] <philor> look at the cset first...
# [19:46] <bjacob> jgilbert: ^
# [19:46] <bjacob> oh...
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# [19:47] <philor> I don't really have a good explanation, so I guess I'll apply the clobberer non-explanation
# [19:47] <bjacob> backing out an empty cset .... o.O
# [19:47] <philor> fortunately, we seem to be untroubled by it, happily pushing into unstarred and unexplained red
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# [19:47] <jgilbert> clobbers \o/
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# [19:49] <bjacob> philor: oh, i was stupid. patch failed to apply.
# [19:50] * philor feels an Insanity Wolf coming on :)
# [19:51] <Ms2ger> As you wish
# [19:51] <jgilbert> oh dear...
# [19:51] <bjacob> jgilbert: reject is ugly, i'm tempted to copy and paste the convertHostArgbRow func from beta into esr10. ok?
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# [19:54] <bjacob> seems fine
# [19:54] <jgilbert> yeah, it's simple
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# [20:08] <@ehsan> catlee-buildduty: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745832
# [20:08] <gmuberwa> for bug 582903 how should I fix the problem using python when webpage is written in javascript?
# [20:09] <jdm> gmuberwa: you should talk to the SUMO developers about that
# [20:09] <jdm> jmaher: you can probably find them in #webdev
# [20:09] <catlee-buildduty> ehsan: cool
# [20:09] <catlee-buildduty> 302 IT
# [20:09] <@ehsan> catlee-buildduty: thanks
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# [20:10] <@ehsan> catlee-buildduty: do you know who I should ping in IT to get this done today?
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# [20:12] <Mook_as> there's a #sumodev as well, that might be useful. (the code appears to be https://github.com/mozilla/kitsune )
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# [20:14] <catlee-buildduty> ehsan: whoever is oncall in #it is a good starting point
# [20:14] <catlee-buildduty> also, does it have to be reset?
# [20:14] <catlee-buildduty> can you push on top of what's there?
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# [20:15] <Waldo> espindola: do you remember offhand the reason why we don't compile the JS engine with -std=gnu++0x
# [20:15] <Waldo> s/$/?/
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# [20:15] <espindola> Waldo, I think because there was "a" problem and we never tried changing it since
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# [20:15] <Waldo> espindola: see my mail on Friday to cfe-commits for context
# [20:15] <espindola> bsmedberg, do you know?
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# [20:16] <Waldo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20comp%3Ajavasc%20c%2B%2B0x;list_id=2862167 might be a helpful bug list for answering the question
# [20:16] <Waldo> bug 640494 is as best as I could remember
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# [20:18] <espindola> Waldo, I would suggest trying it out...
# [20:18] <Waldo> heh :-)
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# [20:19] * Waldo can file that bug!
# [20:19] <@ehsan> catlee-buildduty: I can try doing that...
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# [20:23] <espindola> what do the windows bots we use look like
# [20:23] <espindola> number of cores and ram?
# [20:23] <espindola> matching in a VM might make it easier to reproduce a leak found on try
# [20:23] <@ehsan> espindola: catlee-buildduty would know
# [20:24] <@ehsan> espindola: you can access the VMs themselves
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# [20:24] <espindola> VMs?!?
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# [20:24] <espindola> are our windows builds done on VMs?
# [20:25] <@ehsan> yes
# [20:25] <espindola> !
# [20:25] <@ehsan> (afaik)
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# [20:25] <@bsmedberg> Waldo/espindola: because it uses variadic macros and we had to to suppress the warnings
# [20:26] <jimm> anybody else just lose the board slides video stream?
# [20:26] <espindola> ah, ok, so we can probably just use -std=c++0x -Wno-...
# [20:26] <@ehsan> espindola: on vc2010?
# [20:27] <@ehsan> oh nm
# [20:27] <espindola> ehsan, I don't think we use c++0x on windows, do we?
# [20:27] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: btw, if you needed to talk to me during weekends, feel free to ping/email
# [20:27] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: I'm around on many weekends (but not all of them)
# [20:27] <@ehsan> espindola: no
# [20:27] <@ehsan> espindola: which is why I got excited :)
# [20:27] <espindola> ah :-)
# [20:28] <Waldo> bsmedberg: c++0x includes variadic macros, so I'm missing something
# [20:28] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: at the time c++0x didn't exist, IIRC
# [20:28] <@smaug> hrm
# [20:28] <Waldo> for some definition of "exist" :-)
# [20:28] <@smaug> do we have a new leak
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# [20:29] <@smaug> or not really a leak, but something which adds significant amount stuff to CC graph...
# [20:29] <catlee-buildduty> espindola, ehsan: windows builds are not done on VMs
# [20:29] * Waldo blames the people who didn't fix the leak but instead implemented new features
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# [20:29] <@ehsan> oh I stand corrected then
# [20:29] <@smaug> lots of JS implemented nsIObservers
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# [20:29] <espindola> catlee-buildduty, makes me both happy and sad :-)
# [20:30] <@ehsan> smaug: yeah, nsIObservers are implemented all around the code base :(
# [20:30] <espindola> way more likely to find real world bugs, but way more hard to reproduce them
# [20:30] <@smaug> ehsan: yeah, but this is something new, I think
# [20:30] <@smaug> CC graph has now even more JS implemented nsIObservers
# [20:30] <espindola> catlee-buildduty, so what are they?
# [20:30] <espindola> (cores and ram)
# [20:30] <catlee-buildduty> espindola: 4GB RAM (PAE), X3430 CPU (2.4GHz)
# [20:31] <espindola> thanks
# [20:31] * @smaug waits for mccr8's patch to remove all those from CC graph
# [20:31] <@ehsan> smaug: can you look at one of those in a debug build and get a filename line number pair from somewhre?
# [20:31] * @ehsan doesn't quite know what he's talking about now
# [20:31] <espindola> catlee-buildduty, one cpu (4 cores) ?
# [20:31] <catlee-buildduty> looks like 4 cores
# [20:31] <@smaug> I could get some data
# [20:31] <espindola> cool
# [20:31] <espindola> thanks
# [20:31] <catlee-buildduty> not sure how to tell how many cpus
# [20:31] <@smaug> ehsan: but mccr8 will remove all those from CC graph
# [20:32] <espindola> catlee-buildduty, the tests run on the same type of machine?
# [20:32] <espindola> mochitest-other in particular
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# [20:32] <catlee-buildduty> espindola: no
# [20:32] <jimm> where do we file bugs for pdf.js?
# [20:32] <catlee-buildduty> espindola: tests run on mac minis
# [20:33] <espindola> ah, sorry
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# [20:33] <@smaug> ehsan: if you still see leaks where eventlistener keeps documents alive, please try the patch in the bug
# [20:33] <espindola> those are the ones I need the specs
# [20:33] <@smaug> it seems to work fine
# [20:33] <catlee-buildduty> k, one sec...
# [20:33] <@ehsan> smaug: is that gonna land soon, or should I do a local build?
# [20:33] <yury> jimm: https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/issues
# [20:33] <catlee-buildduty> espindola: 2 cores, Core2 Duo P7550 @ 2.26 GHz
# [20:34] <@smaug> ehsan: depends on whether bz gives feedback+ or perhaps even r+ soon ;)
# [20:34] <catlee-buildduty> one cpu, two cores
# [20:34] <espindola> ram?
# [20:34] <catlee-buildduty> 1777648 kB
# [20:34] <catlee-buildduty> so...1.5GB?
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# [20:34] <espindola> 1.695
# [20:34] <espindola> strange
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# [20:35] <espindola> thanks
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# [20:35] <fantasai> jdm++
# [20:35] <espindola> will try cutting my VM to 2 gb
# [20:35] <catlee-buildduty> that's from /proc/meminfo on an equivalent machine
# [20:35] <catlee-buildduty> all the 'r3' machines are the same hardware
# [20:35] <Waldo> jdm: I have a problem
# [20:35] <espindola> not counting kernel memory I would guess...
# [20:36] <Waldo> jdm: mozilla memes are not searchable :-(
# [20:36] <jdm> Waldo: not enough cowbell?
# [20:36] <Waldo> close guess!
# [20:36] <jdm> Waldo: true
# [20:36] <bent> gavin, https://github.com/benturner/bzsecuremail
# [20:36] <gavin> bent: nice!
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# [20:36] <Waldo> jdm: I dunno the solution :-\ but I can't keep paging backward through tons of history to find chestnuts
# [20:36] <bent> have fun
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# [20:37] <jdm> Waldo: the solution is to create a tumblr and reblog the chestnuts, probably
# [20:37] <Waldo> does tumblr have tags at all? tags would help, certainly
# [20:38] <jdm> hmm
# [20:38] <Waldo> chestnuts aren't always obvious at the time
# [20:38] <jdm> it does
# [20:38] <Waldo> like, the "refactor this == good first bug" meme I was just trying to find was not chestnut-ful, except that it was relevant to the discussion at hand
# [20:38] <espindola> billm, looks like it finally reproduce on try again
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# [20:38] <espindola> checking if I can reproduce it on a VM
# [20:39] <espindola> will also try to find out where a BackstagePass is used...
# [20:39] <jdm> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19498471564/i-would-do-it-if-i-had-the-time-that-means-that
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# [20:39] <jdm> ok, looks like tags are something I have to add
# [20:39] <jdm> I'll start doing that
# [20:39] <billm> espinolda: cool
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# [20:40] <Waldo> jdm: probably a tag for the underlying image, tags for the concepts touched upon or something
# [20:40] <jdm> yep, makes sense
# [20:41] <billm> espindola: :-( sorry I keep misspelling your name
# [20:41] * Waldo would be happy to help with meticulous tagging, although he doesn't much have time to do it, just that when he can tag stuff, he tends to go tag-heavy and so seems likely to cover the bases
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# [20:41] <jdm> it doesn't look like anybody but the owner can
# [20:42] <jdm> where the owner is me
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# [20:42] <espindola> billm, np :-)
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# [20:43] <Waldo> ala{s,ck}
# [20:43] <billm> espindola: I think we leak backstage pass either if xpconnect isn't shut down or if a JS component leaks
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# [20:54] <myk> bsmedberg: thanks for the review! if you concur, i'd like to land with just three changes from the code you reviewed: 1. removal of the line of code that you think (and dwalkowski confirms) isn't needed; 2. renaming of webapprt to webapprt-stub (so we can move the xulapp files to webapprt/ at a later date); 3. resolution of the Windows build failure that crept in with last night's merge from upstream
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# [20:55] <@bsmedberg> myk: yeah, ok
# [20:55] <@bsmedberg> myk: I'm reviewing that other patch now, there are a few things I'm concerned about
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# [20:56] <jesup> what bugzilla privs are required to mark a bug "feedback+"? There's a contributor who gets asked for feedback but can't actually mark it.
# [20:56] <@bsmedberg> jesup: editbugs
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# [20:56] <@bsmedberg> jesup: if you think they won't be spammy, I'm happy to mark their account
# [20:57] <myk> bsmedberg: ok; if they are issues that can't be readily resolved, then i'll land the first patch and file a new bug to continue work on the second
# [20:57] <@bsmedberg> myk: the l10n bits are the most concerning
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# [20:58] <@bsmedberg> myk: did you test that the defaults/preferences change works for both omnijarred and non-omnijarred (running from dist/bin) builds?
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# [20:58] <myk> bsmedberg: yes, and on both windows and mac
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# [20:58] <@bsmedberg> ok
# [20:59] <myk> bsmedberg: as, i hope, did the tryserver when it ran all test suites against that patch
# [20:59] <@bsmedberg> no, tryserver only tests packaged builds
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# [21:00] <myk> bsmedberg: packaged meaning omnijarred?
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# [21:00] <@bsmedberg> yes, basically
# [21:00] <@bsmedberg> the tests all download the installer (or the ZIP?) and run all their tests on that build
# [21:00] <@bsmedberg> which is slightly different from the dist/bin build because of omnijar
# [21:02] <myk> bsmedberg: during development, the folks working on the code have typically tested with non-omnijarred builds (dist/bin/, dist/NightlyDebug.app/); but i also tested with omnijarred builds locally by adding |ac_add_options --enable-chrome-format=omni| to my .mozconfig, and then i pushed to tryserver and had it run all tests
# [21:03] <myk> bsmedberg: i've also tested packaging a Mac DMG and creating a windows installer, then installing, and then running against the installed copy
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# [21:06] <froydnj> bsmedberg: for that patch you r+'d in bug 744444, could you respond to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744444#c1 also?
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# [21:08] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: ask bc if he ever does purify builds any more? we do appear to build those files in all configurations currently
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# [21:08] * @bsmedberg doesn't really know enough about purify to understand what those files actually accomplish
# [21:08] <froydnj> bc: ^
# [21:08] * froydnj neither
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# [21:24] <akeybl> josh: mats: please seem my latest email about bug 745453
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# [21:26] <timeless> froydnj: are you just doing general housecleaning?
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# [21:26] <timeless> from memory purify basically instruments the components
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# [21:27] <timeless> having to manually do that w/o a rule would definitely suck
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# [21:27] <timeless> although on windows purify was perfectly happy w/ dynamic instrumentation
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# [21:27] <froydnj> timeless: just general housecleaning when I find things that look reasonably self-contained, yes
# [21:28] <timeless> as of 2010, purify on unix was still doing that sort of commandline as part of build process
# [21:28] <timeless> see http://www.unix.com/programming/25748-problem-build-using-purify.html
# [21:28] <timeless> which argues against killing it
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# [21:30] <timeless> it's really not a great idea to remove targets like that
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# [21:30] <timeless> the odds of someone who isn't a build expert being able to figure out how to make that target are very poor
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# [21:30] <timeless> whereas it isn't unreasonable for a random soul to have access to purify
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# [21:30] <timeless> and decide to try to do a purify run
# [21:30] <timeless> on a one off or continuing basis
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# [21:31] <timeless> i've had access to purify at iirc 3 companies
# [21:31] <timeless> but i'm not a build expert
# [21:31] <froydnj> I dunno, it seems much more likely for somebody to have, say, valgrind than purify
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# [21:31] <timeless> and the effort required to plug it into mozilla if it wasn't supported out of the box
# [21:31] <froydnj> but that may be my non-windows focus speaking
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# [21:31] <timeless> windows doesn't need that bit
# [21:32] <timeless> the windows purify thing does its work w/o
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# [21:32] <timeless> anyway
# [21:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/686e5bcf747b - Olli Pettay - Bug 731875 - Geolocation doorhanger might cause a zombie compartment, GeoPositionOptions part, r=dougt
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# [21:32] <timeless> purify is often available to university students as part of a site license
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# [21:32] <timeless> which is more available than wasting time trying to build valgrind
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# [21:32] <timeless> now, you might never get students interested in doing it
# [21:32] <timeless> but, you're probably not going to get many students interested in using valgrind either
# [21:32] <timeless> so that's not a great argument
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# [21:33] <timeless> froydnj: and it isn't your non-windows focus, it's your linux focus
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# [21:33] <timeless> since access to purify on hpux/solaris/aix is much higher than valgrind on the same :)
# [21:33] <Wes> yes, anything > 0 :)
# [21:34] <Wes> we actually ported our app to mac os x specifically so we could run valgrind on it
# [21:34] <froydnj> epsilon is more than zero, but that's not saying much :)
# [21:34] <anant> I'm unable to compile m-c on my mac ever since I upgraded to Xcode 4.2 -- is that supported, or should I be switching back to 3.6?
# [21:34] <Wes> (we are a mostly solaris shop)
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# [21:35] <timeless> froydnj: there was a time when mozilla picked up a number of devs while they were in college
# [21:35] <froydnj> timeless: anyway, this is not the place to be having the discussion; could you please comment in the bug with concerns about removing those targets?
# [21:35] <timeless> and they took advantage of available tools
# [21:35] <timeless> no.
# [21:35] <timeless> sorry, i'm not paid to use your bugzilla
# [21:35] <timeless> and i can get in trouble for doing things during work hours that i'm not paid to do
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# [21:39] <biesi> timeless, doing taxes during work hours is ok though? :)
# [21:39] <timeless> biesi: i'm testing the playbook :)
# [21:39] <biesi> haha ok
# [21:40] <jduell> Hmm, anybody having trouble sending email via smtp.mozilla.com? thunderbird is suddenly claiming its cert has invalid info
# [21:41] <anant> jduell: yes, switch to smtp.mozilla.org
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# [21:43] <jduell> anant: is that new? Do I need to change IMAP too, or just SMTP?
# [21:44] <anant> no, just smtp; imap stays mail.mozilla.com
# [21:44] <jduell> anant: thanks. I must have missed the memo...
# [21:44] <anant> I don't if it's new, I noticed I could no longer send mail using my old smtp server so I switched to using the .org server (which was apparently the recommended one)
# [21:44] <anant> *don't know
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# [21:45] <bc> froydnj: no, i found purify to be unuseable for testing firefox either manually or in automation.
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# [21:46] <froydnj> bc: thanks for the input
# [21:46] <bc> purify would crash or otherwise not complete loading web pages. i found it completely disappointing.
# [21:47] <bc> i sent around notices to several engineering managers and others looking for people interested in using purify and got no responses unfortunately. I think the machine(s) have all be decommissioned now.
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# [21:50] <myk> bsmedberg: erm, and 4. hardcode the chrome URL of the webapp window in the command line handler
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# [21:51] <Waldo> btw, that blog.mozilla.com spamming I mentioned several days ago resulted in this change to my reading trends: http://web.mit.edu/jwalden/www/reader-chart.png
# [21:51] <Waldo> er
# [21:51] <Waldo> biesi: ^
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# [21:53] <biesi> Waldo, hah nice
# [21:53] <Waldo> "nice" indeed
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# [21:57] <froydnj> lsblakk: doh, sorry for not updating the flags in 726656
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# [22:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b56db6eab47c - Benoit Jacob - Bug 732233 - Explicitly enforce spec in uniform setters - r=jgilbert
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# [22:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e74b044c18b8 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 744888 - Work around a NVIDIA driver bug - r=jgilbert
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# [22:07] <@bz> boo
# [22:07] <@khuey> omg
# [22:07] <@khuey> we hired ed morley?
# [22:07] <jgilbert> indeed
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# [22:09] <gavin> bent: I think I'm going to try to make it open a little panel overlaying the gmail message
# [22:09] <gavin> with working links
# [22:09] <bent> gavin, sounds very nice
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# [22:10] <bent> gavin, working links was the next thing i wanted, but i didn't see any way to do that quickly
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# [22:18] <lsblakk> froydnj: np, thanks for landing
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# [22:19] <Fallen> myk: ping
# [22:20] <myk> Fallen: pong
# [22:21] <Fallen> myk: I just read the l10n webapps post you did and am interested to hear how is extra process works and how you package it?
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# [22:21] <Fallen> s/is/the/
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# [22:22] <Fallen> myk: and this is a full xul binary like firefox itself?
# [22:22] <myk> Fallen: while the xul application's files get packaged into a subdirectory
# [22:22] <myk> Fallen: it's actually a stub binary, which i think firefox also is these days
# [22:22] <myk> Fallen: i.e. a binary that loads libxul as a library
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# [22:22] <akeybl> mats: ping
# [22:23] <Fallen> myk: interesting. What is used to communicate between firefox and the webapp runtime?
# [22:23] <Fallen> dom message passing of some sort?
# [22:23] <mats> akeybl: pong
# [22:23] <myk> Fallen: the two are separate processes that generally don't communicate
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# [22:23] <sheppy> jorendorff: so tell me a bit about MBFT. How big is it, how long would it take someone to understand it well enough to document, etc?
# [22:23] <Fallen> ah ok
# [22:23] <myk> Fallen: the runtime loads libxul itself
# [22:24] <myk> Fallen: and uses it to load its xulapp, which then loads the webapp in a (mostly) chromeless window
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# [22:24] <Fallen> how is the memory usage before it loads the webapp?
# [22:24] <akeybl> mats: do you and bsmith want to flip a coin for investigating bug 745453?
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# [22:24] <jorendorff> sheppy: Oh. Well, it's C++. You can ask sfink about it. There are a lot of APIs and more all the time. They're subject to change. I'm not sure but I'm guessing it's *at least* 20% as hard as documenting NSPR, which is impossible.
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# [22:25] <bsmith> akeybl: not me, please
# [22:25] <sheppy> jorendorff: heh
# [22:25] <sheppy> I ask because it's on our list of things to investigate contracting out for documentation.
# [22:25] <bsmith> akeybl: if you need somebody from my team, please ask sworkman or another mac user
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# [22:25] <jorendorff> sheppy: Oh, contracting out something like that sounds like it'll end in tears.
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# [22:26] <sheppy> jorendorff: Hm, probably. I will put it on the long-term maybe if we must list then.
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# [22:26] <philor> at least "end in tears" is better than the non-contracted "start in tears"
# [22:26] <sheppy> :)
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# [22:27] <Fallen> myk: how is the memory usage before it loads the webapp? (sorry if you've already seen me ask above, thought you might have missed it with all the discussion here :)
# [22:27] <sfink> jorendorff: s/sfink/Waldo/ I hope?
# [22:27] <mats> akeybl: I'm already investigating...
# [22:27] <myk> Fallen: nope, i missed it; good idea reasking with my name attached to it!
# [22:27] <jorendorff> sfink: really? no, i didn't know that
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# [22:27] <jgilbert> >>
# [22:27] <myk> Fallen: however, i haven't actually measured that, so unfortunately i don't know the answer :-/
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# [22:28] <jorendorff> sheppy: I think the right way to document MFBT is to read the C++ carefully and put comments in doxygen; that way as it grows developers will see the awesome documentation and keep it growing
# [22:28] <akeybl> mats: thanks!
# [22:28] <sheppy> jorendorff: Mm perhaps.
# [22:28] <jorendorff> sheppy: That would take a C++ developer with the skills of a tech writer.
# [22:29] <jorendorff> Do such creatures exist? They're rare
# [22:29] <Waldo> and time :-)
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# [22:29] <sheppy> jorendorff: that never happens. :)
# [22:29] <Waldo> which is in a bit short supply for me lately
# [22:29] <Fallen> myk: no problem, I'll find out. Finally, do you have a bug# I can follow? I'd love to look at the sources
# [22:29] <espindola> #if defined(DEBUG_dbaron) || defined(DEBUG_bzbarsky
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# [22:29] <espindola> :-)
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# [22:30] <myk> Fallen: the launcher/shell is bug 725408; related bugs are in its dependencies
# [22:30] <sfink> #ifndef bzbarsky
# [22:30] <sfink> #error We're all doooooooooooomed!!!
# [22:30] <sfink> #endif
# [22:30] <Waldo> jorendorff: we've actually been pretty demanding about API comments and overviews and such in mfbt, so I think we're pretty good on that front
# [22:30] <myk> Fallen: development has taken place in https://github.com/michaelrhanson/mozilla-central/
# [22:30] <Fallen> myk: great, thanks for all the infos and keep up the good work :-)
# [22:30] <Waldo> jorendorff: feel free to skim files in mfbt/ to see what I mean
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# [22:31] <myk> Fallen: sure thing! feel free to ping me if you have any additional questions
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# [22:32] <aleth> Is there a way to tell whether an XBL element has bound yet or not?
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# [22:34] <philor> Standard8: don't know that I've ever heard of the problem, so I don't know if it still exists
# [22:34] <Standard8> heh
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# [22:40] <philor> have to admit it sounds delightful, though, a tree with no builds so nothing can be orange, and you can never leave
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# [22:42] <espindola> so, what is a BackstagePass anyway? I wraps a nsIPrincipal, but it is not clear what it adds
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# [22:43] <@bz> mrbkap might know
# [22:43] <@bz> or shaver
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# [22:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c61e7c3a232a - Asaf Romano - add Safari migrator to package manifests. I forgot to do so in the patch for bug 710259. r=mak over irc
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# [22:51] <NeilAway> espindola: I always thought it was a privileged script global object used by JS components and modules, but ymmv
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# [22:52] <Ms2ger> Waldo, easy, r-
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# [22:56] <taras> Enn: around?
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# [22:57] <Ms2ger> Waldo, hah
# [22:57] <Ms2ger> No such thing
# [22:58] <Waldo> http://www.hark.com/clips/rsvskyypkm-dont-you-know-sarcasm
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# [23:02] <Ms2ger> khuey, you didn't know we were hiring Ed? :)
# [23:02] * Waldo only heard about it the Thursday before last, actually
# [23:03] <jdm> I heard about it today
# [23:03] <jdm> it's great news!
# [23:03] <dholbert> huge success!
# [23:03] <Waldo> good news, everyone!
# [23:03] <@khuey> Ms2ger: I knew it was in the process of happening
# [23:04] <@khuey> but we tend to drag these things out forever
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# [23:05] * zzzzz_ ^ speaking from experience ?
# [23:05] <@dolske> Waldo: I have more :)
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# [23:10] <timeless> NeilAway's understanding is more or less accurate
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# [23:11] <timeless> espindola: what are you poking that it matters?
# [23:11] <Ms2ger> espindola, or you could ask bholley
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# [23:12] <espindola> timeless, it doesn't, other than it is being leaked
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# [23:12] <timeless> espindola: roughly that represents an xpconnect global leaking
# [23:12] <espindola> knowing what it is should make it easier to reason about where it should be alive or not
# [23:12] <espindola> timeless, or one of the callers to GetBackstagePass
# [23:13] <timeless> espindola: i sure hope not
# [23:13] <espindola> I have a try run going to find out which one
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# [23:13] <espindola> it show up when enabling the incremental gc, so all bets are off
# [23:13] <timeless> all callers of GetBackstagePass use getter_AddRefs
# [23:13] <timeless> so leaking the backstagepass itself that way should not happen
# [23:14] <timeless> and that code isn't touched <ever>
# [23:14] <timeless> and the instances are all stack local variables
# [23:14] <timeless> you're chasing the wrong side of the tree
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# [23:14] <timeless> it should be that someone has leaked the xpconnect global
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# [23:15] <timeless> which is typically an xpconnect-component
# [23:15] <timeless> (js component)
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# [23:19] <timeless> of note, dbradley also knows the code
# [23:19] <timeless> and he's more alive than the others
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# [23:22] <priya> hi
# [23:22] <kutsurak> how are you?
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# [23:24] <timeless> http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsview2.cgi?diff_mode=context&whitespace_mode=show&root=/cvsroot&subdir=mozilla/js/src/xpconnect/loader&command=DIFF_FRAMESET&file=mozJSComponentLoader.cpp&rev2=1.45&rev1=1.44
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# [23:24] <timeless> fwiw, the backstagepass replaced the seasonpass :)
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# [23:25] <timeless> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47354#c35 is probably the best standard answer to "what's a backstagepass"
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# [23:26] <timeless> > There's a well-known leak that entrains the backstage pass, but this bug's fix did not introduce that leak.
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# [23:37] <Ms2ger> dbaron, any opinion on doing http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/nsHTMLFontElement.cpp#248 in all modes?
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# [23:37] <@khuey> I think that's a no
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# [23:37] <Ms2ger> ... Does sound like a no
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# [23:38] <Ms2ger> Let's try this again
# [23:38] <Ms2ger> dbaron, any opinion on doing http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/nsHTMLFontElement.cpp#248 in all modes?
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# [23:40] <JonathanS> How many namespace is enough in the file?
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# [23:40] <dholbert> did tbpl just die?
# [23:40] <@dbaron> Ms2ger, saw it twice, pinged on 3 channels w/i 5 mins, in meeting
# [23:40] <dholbert> (nevermind, it's back)
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# [23:41] <Ms2ger> OK, will do
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# [23:59] <BenWa> Our code style says to use NULL instead of nsnull, but people still tell me to use nsnull on my reviews for new files. https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_Coding_Style_Guide#C.2FC.2B.2B_practices
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# [23:59] <BenWa> Is the style guide incorrect?
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