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1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 18 00:00:01 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
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4. # [00:01] <RyanVM> so, inbound's basically going to be a ghost town now?
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8. # [00:02] * RyanVM won't be cloning Birch for a week and a half
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13. # [00:03] <gavin> oops, just missed qheaden
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18. # [00:06] <bnicholson> josh: ping
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21. # [00:09] * zzzzz can't wait to see the mess on m-c once they try to merge 300-400 patches
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25. # [00:10] <edmorley> zzzzz: shall be fun...
26. # [00:11] <zzzzz> Welcome aboard sir - you moving to states or working from home ?
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28. # [00:11] <edmorley> I'll be based out of the London office, I'm just in SF for the a-team work week
29. # [00:11] <zzzzz> :)
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36. # [00:14] <jaws> smaug: ping?
37. # [00:14] <@smaug> jaws: pong
38. # [00:14] <qheaden> When is the code in JavaScript modules first run? When they are first imported, or when the browser starts up?
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40. # [00:15] <jaws> smaug: do you know if the new mutation event listeners (bug 641821) have performance implications if we wanted to get notifications if elements go from display:none to display:block?
41. # [00:15] <@roc> that's not a mutation event
42. # [00:15] <jaws> k, then i guess we can't use it :)
43. # [00:15] <@smaug> mutationobserver observes changes to DOM
44. # [00:15] <@smaug> things like attribute value changes
45. # [00:16] <kbrosnan> Jesse: ping
46. # [00:16] <@smaug> adding and removing child nodes
47. # [00:16] <jaws> k, makes sense
48. # [00:16] <@smaug> etc
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50. # [00:16] <Waldo> qheaden: the scripts are parsed and executed the first time the module is imported; when nested code in them runs is up to the module and its users to set up, of course
51. # [00:16] <mak> jaws: well, if you set the style by setting an attribute...
52. # [00:16] <Jesse> kbrosnan: pong
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54. # [00:17] <jaws> mak: yeah, but it has to work generically across all sites who may not use the attribute approach
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56. # [00:17] <qheaden> Waldo: So if I wanted any non-nested code to run in the module, I would need to import it somewhere?
57. # [00:18] <kbrosnan> Jesse: think i figured it out was trying to get bugzilla quick search to only match - on a flag and not match ---
58. # [00:18] <kbrosnan> Jesse: appears that '-' works where "-" does not
59. # [00:18] <Waldo> qheaden: if the module contains |var x = foo(); function foo() { ... }| then foo() will only run the once, and if you wanted to run it more than once you'd need to expose the foo symbol or have foo() set itself up to be called again, or whatever
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63. # [00:20] <qheaden> Waldo: Right, that's the run-once behavior I want for one of my lines. So basically, I would need to import my module somewhere in order to get that line to run?
64. # [00:20] <Waldo> qheaden: yes, modules don't run unless they're imported
65. # [00:20] <gavin> qheaden: pong!
66. # [00:20] <qheaden> Waldo: Great, I understand now. Thanks for the help.
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68. # [00:21] <qheaden> gavin: Hey there! I pinged you before I saw your comment on bug 335781. I'm working on moving the SearchEngineProvider to a JavaScript module.
69. # [00:21] <qheaden> gavin: I think it will be cleaner that way, and easier to maintain.
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73. # [00:22] <graememcc> ehsan: did you mean for the a? on bug 686203? Bug 740784 is the one involving undo
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75. # [00:23] <graememcc> er, ehsan|extremely-busy ^
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79. # [00:24] <@ehsan|extremely-busy> graememcc: fixed
80. # [00:24] <@ehsan|extremely-busy> graememcc: please submit patches which address the nits if you don't have commit access :)
81. # [00:24] <@ehsan|extremely-busy> thanks!
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83. # [00:25] <padenot> anybody knows on the top of their head why the configure step on this new tree thinks that I have strndup on Mac ?
84. # [00:26] <padenot> because afaik, Macs don't have strndup, so it does not build...
85. # [00:26] <Wevah> function or binary?
86. # [00:26] <padenot> function
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89. # [00:27] <padenot> there is a strndup binary ?
90. # [00:27] <padenot> seems kind of weird
91. # [00:27] <Wevah> i dunno
92. # [00:27] <Wevah> never used either
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96. # [00:27] <Wevah> but man 3 strndup gives me a manpage
97. # [00:27] <Wevah> (i spend most of my time in cocoaland)
98. # [00:28] <Wevah> hmm...weird
99. # [00:28] <gavin> qheaden: cool!
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101. # [00:29] <Wevah> padenot: what os version?
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103. # [00:29] <padenot> Mac Os Lion
104. # [00:29] <padenot> 10.7.3
105. # [00:29] <Wevah> what sdk are you building with? do you know?
106. # [00:29] <Wevah> looks like strndup doesn't exist until lion
107. # [00:29] <Wevah> on os x
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113. # [00:30] <Wevah> (i'm pretty dumb about most moz build processes tbh)
114. # [00:30] <padenot> xcode 3.2
115. # [00:30] <padenot> which seems to be outdated on lion
116. # [00:31] <mkaply> Is there some simple way to test if I still have hg checkin access?
117. # [00:31] <padenot> but that's what is written on the wiki page
118. # [00:31] <Wevah> oh yeah it is
119. # [00:31] <mkaply> without actually checking something in?
120. # [00:31] <Wevah> outdated on lion that is
121. # [00:31] <biesi> mkaply, ssh to hg.mozilla.org
122. # [00:31] <Wevah> probably building with the 10.6 sdk then
123. # [00:31] <padenot> okay. anyway, I've tricked it by hand editing files in the objdir
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125. # [00:31] <Wevah> word
126. # [00:32] <padenot> i should probably install a newer XCode
127. # [00:32] <mbrubeck> edmorley, RyanVM, other TBPL-watchers: There are a few new keyboard shortcuts available on TBPL now; press "?" or see bug 738925 for details.
128. # [00:32] <mkaply> disabled due to inactivity again
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130. # [00:32] <RyanVM> thanks for the heads-up
131. # [00:33] <mkaply> biesi: how does it know what id to use to check?
132. # [00:33] <edmorley> mbrubeck: sweet, thank you :-)
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134. # [00:33] <mkaply> biesi: actually it's key based, isn't it
135. # [00:33] <biesi> mkaply, from your .ssh/config or you need to tell it on the commandline
136. # [00:33] <biesi> that too
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138. # [00:33] <RyanVM> do patches in build/mobile/sutagent/android require approval for landing?
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141. # [00:35] <mkaply> strange. I requested my ID be switched from mkaply@us.ibm.com to mozilla@kaply.com. When I ssh with mkaply@us.ibm.com it says "disabled" when I switch to mozilla@kaply.com, it asks for a password on my id_dsa file and then fails.
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143. # [00:35] <RyanVM> akeybl: do test-only changes require approval?
144. # [00:35] <mkaply> man, this is going back years. is the id_dsa file based on my userid?
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147. # [00:35] <biesi> mkaply, how does it fail?
148. # [00:35] <biesi> you're not supposed to get a shell
149. # [00:35] <biesi> so it is expected to fail, in some way
150. # [00:36] <biesi> but it sounds like your account probably still works
151. # [00:36] <mkaply> Permission denied. It's asking for a password. I'll be danged if I can remember a password on that file. I haven't had to type in a password in 10years
152. # [00:36] <mbrubeck> RyanVM, akeybl: This is a suggestion, not an answer, but I would advocate blanket approval for test-only changes, and other changes that are NPOTB for fennec.
153. # [00:36] <mkaply> but it doesn't ask for a password if my user is mkaply@us.ibm.com
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155. # [00:37] <RyanVM> mbrubeck, akeybl: test-only has had blanket approval in the past, but the tbpl message says nothing about it
156. # [00:37] <edmorley> Am I still ok to merge inbound to m-c, or are there non a= csets on there that shouldn't go across yet? (playing catchup with dev.* mail)
157. # [00:37] <hub> does Firefox honour the Exif orientation tag?
158. # [00:37] <Mossop> hub: No
159. # [00:37] <mkaply> hub: no. There's a bug open somewhere
160. # [00:37] <RyanVM> akeybl, mbrubeck: I'm not cloning Birch, so it would be nice to know for sure what I can land on inbound in the mean time
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162. # [00:37] <hub> just wondering
163. # [00:37] <Mossop> The bug got closed I think
164. # [00:37] <RyanVM> bug 298619
165. # [00:38] <biesi> mkaply, so your id_dsa file is local; the password is something you set when you generated it
166. # [00:38] <mbrubeck> edmorley: m-i was made approval-required at (essentially) the same time as m-c
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168. # [00:38] <mbrubeck> edmorley: So any changesets already there should either have approval, or managed to get in before it was required.
169. # [00:38] <hub> oh, I'm not arguing it. I just wanted to make sure it is what I thought
170. # [00:39] <mbrubeck> edmorley: I'd go ahead and merge them, since the plan is to continue merges going forward... maybe check with ehsan|extremely-busy though.
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174. # [00:39] <mkaply> biesi: Looks like it was stored in keychain. You know, every day I kick myself for the horrendous passphrase I created when generating that key. I didn't know any better
175. # [00:39] <edmorley> mbrubeck: ok thank you
176. # [00:40] <biesi> mkaply, ah. well you can change it
177. # [00:40] <mimcpher> hub: bug 298619
178. # [00:40] <biesi> ssh-keygen has an option for it
179. # [00:40] <biesi> see its manpage
180. # [00:40] <mkaply> biesi: Even if I put the right passkey in, I still get permission denied. I'm betting when they switched my user account, they didn't mess with the keys
181. # [00:40] <hub> mimcpher: yeah I was on it :-) thanks
182. # [00:40] <edmorley> mbrubeck: currently waiting for my mozilla LDAP to get a key attached and L3 added and will merge once that's working; will star in the meantime
183. # [00:40] <biesi> mkaply, I'm not sure if that's expected or not :/
184. # [00:41] <mbrubeck> hub: http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/20015554407/ohai-bug-739690
185. # [00:41] <mkaply> Does any browser support exif ?
186. # [00:41] <mbrubeck> no, as far as I know.
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188. # [00:43] <mimcpher> I've heard rumours that Mobile Safari does, but don't have an iOS device to test.
189. # [00:44] <mimcpher> See https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19688
190. # [00:44] <@ehsan|extremely-busy> mbrubeck: what's up?
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192. # [00:45] <mbrubeck> ehsan|extremely-busy: edmorley wants to merge inbound to m-c, just checking that it is okay w.r.t. approval-required
193. # [00:45] <@ehsan|extremely-busy> yep
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195. # [00:46] <mbrubeck> thanks
196. # [00:46] <hub> mbrubeck: :-)
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202. # [00:49] <mkaply> Is there a perl script for repackaging omni.jar?
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204. # [00:49] <mkaply> (I know there used to be)
205. # [00:50] <qheaden> What could be the reason Services.search is turning up null in my JavaScript module although I imported Services.jsm?
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210. # [00:52] <mbrubeck> qheaden: In Firefox, or another app?
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214. # [00:53] <NeilAway> Mossop: still in meeting?
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216. # [00:53] <qheaden> mbrubeck: Firefox.
217. # [00:53] <mkaply> At what point are you accessing it?
218. # [00:53] <Mossop> NeilAway: Ah no, am free now
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220. # [00:54] <mkaply> are you importing it into your own namespace? or into the global namespace?
221. # [00:54] <qheaden> Well, I created an addon provider, and it seems to fail within the getAddonsByType method of the provider.
222. # [00:55] <NeilAway> Mossop: ok, so originally back in the day for xul progressmeters I think we just had some cheesy background image
223. # [00:55] <qheaden> mkaply: I'm just using Components.utils.import("resource://gre/modules/Services.jsm")
224. # [00:55] <qheaden> At the beginning of the file
225. # [00:55] <NeilAway> Mossop: for undetermined meters, this is, sorry
226. # [00:55] <NeilAway> Mossop: then we added this XBL binding which animates a rectangle of the determined image across the width of the progressmeter
227. # [00:56] <NeilAway> Mossop: do you think it's likely that third-party themes use this binding for their progressmeters?
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230. # [00:57] <mkaply> qheaden: Unfortunately I have to head out. If you are doing add-on stuff, I suggest you ask in #extdev
231. # [00:57] <Mossop> NeilAway: Where is it now?
232. # [00:57] <qheaden> K. Thanks
233. # [00:57] <NeilAway> Mossop: toolkit/content/widgets/progressmeter.xml
234. # [00:57] <Mossop> The background image I mean
235. # [00:58] <NeilAway> Mossop: *stripe no longer uses it
236. # [00:58] <Mossop> Oh wait, I just re-read your question
237. # [00:59] <akeybl> RyanVM: mbrubeck: a=test-only
238. # [00:59] <akeybl> I'll update the header
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240. # [01:00] <rniwa> fantasai: are you still there?
241. # [01:01] <Mossop> NeilAway: I see maybe 15 themes on AMO using it, not sure how many are actively maintained though. That seems a low enough number that making changes shouldn't be much of an issue, though maybe have jorge include it in one of his regular blog posts
242. # [01:01] <mbrubeck> akeybl: Okay if I move the current header text to a wiki page and replace it with a link? The long text messes up the TBPL layout on small screens.
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244. # [01:03] <NeilAway> Mossop: well, jimm wanted to #ifdef it not to animate on windows (rather than on winstripe, which is what he was trying to fix), and I wasn't happy with the idea, and then it occured to me that this would be a bad idea because of compatibility issues, would you have an opinion?
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247. # [01:04] <Mossop> NeilAway: Is this for a performance fix?
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250. # [01:04] <NeilAway> Mossop: no, it's to fix native themeing of xul progressmeters on aerostripe
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252. # [01:05] <Mossop> Is there a bug for this>
253. # [01:05] <Mossop> ?
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255. # [01:05] <NeilAway> Mossop: well, the patch to progressmeter.xml is attachment 614803 in bug 658829
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259. # [01:06] <RyanVM> akeybl: thanks
260. # [01:06] <qheaden> Do you still have to change the build id when changing JavaScript modules?
261. # [01:07] <NeilAway> qheaden: have you tried -purgecaches ?
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263. # [01:07] <qheaden> NeilAway: I haven't. Let me try.
264. # [01:07] <RyanVM> akeybl: I asked about it in the newsgroups, but I haven't heard an answer. Is there any plan for Birch nightly testing?
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273. # [01:11] <qheaden> NeilAway: Thanks for that. I purged the caches and a new error showed from the SearchService constructor, which is the reason why Services.search was null.
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276. # [01:12] <Mossop> NeilAway: If it is just that a few theme authors will have to update their themes then I don't have much of an urge to push back on that (unless avoiding it is fairly trivial). I guess it depends how much themes would break though but it doesn't look like much to me
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278. # [01:15] <akeybl> RyanVM: builds are available to developers, but no plans to move a population over to that branch
279. # [01:15] <akeybl> mbrubeck: I can move that to a wiki yes
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281. # [01:16] <RyanVM> akeybl: Which basically means, no, we won't have any nightly regression testing for a week and a half
282. # [01:16] <akeybl> right, we're going to get creative with splitting up the landings from birch to m-c
283. # [01:16] <rillian_lime> RyanVM: I liked your suggestion better :/
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286. # [01:16] <akeybl> in a meeting right now, shoot me an email if you'd like to talk more about this
287. # [01:17] <RyanVM> akeybl: Newsgroups are fine. Thanks
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291. # [01:19] <dholbert> RyanVM, we'll still be able to regression-test, though (we still make nightlies for twigs)
292. # [01:19] <dholbert> RyanVM, see e.g. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-oak/
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295. # [01:19] <RyanVM> dholbert: I'm concerned about the Birch-->m-c merge when nightly users get almost two week's worth of patches in one shot
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297. # [01:20] <RyanVM> yes, we'll be able to go back, but it's adding that much more complexity
298. # [01:20] <dholbert> RyanVM, closer to 1 week, right?
299. # [01:20] <NeilAway> Mossop: well, it would make their progress meters stop animating on Windows, with no way of fixing it
300. # [01:20] <RyanVM> we'll see
301. # [01:20] * NeilAway isn't sure what Mossop means by "update"
302. # [01:20] <dholbert> RyanVM, I see your point, but IMHO doing some sort of magic user-balancing would be more complexity.
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304. # [01:20] <Mossop> NeilAway: They couldn't use the same binding that we currently use?
305. # [01:20] <RyanVM> dholbert: I would rather have seen a plan for switching them over automatically
306. # [01:21] <RyanVM> dholbert: Of course, IMO this flies in the face of the entire train model
307. # [01:21] <NeilAway> Mossop: not if it's got an #ifdef, that's my point
308. # [01:21] <jimm> NeilAway: maybe there is some way to get removing that binding in our css working. I ran into a number of issues though once I removed.
309. # [01:21] <Mossop> NeilAway: I don't understand, they can copy the binding into their theme no? In fact they likely already have
310. # [01:21] <RyanVM> and I don't see why mobile needs to take over m-c and m-i and push all non-mobile work to a project branch instead of just using one themselves
311. # [01:21] <NeilAway> Mossop: no, themes can't run script
312. # [01:21] <Mossop> Since when?
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315. # [01:22] <Mossop> I was of the impression that XBL scripts ran just fine for themes
316. # [01:22] <dholbert> RyanVM, because if they used their own project branch, they'd be based off of a different Gecko 14 flavor than everything else Gecko-14-based
317. # [01:23] <dholbert> RyanVM, (IIUC)
318. # [01:23] <NeilAway> Mossop: my understanding is that they've never been able to run script, modulo bugs that have been fixed
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321. # [01:23] <rillian_lime> do we have to take action to get a patch approved, or is setting approval-mozilla-central? sufficient?
322. # [01:24] <RyanVM> should be enough
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326. # [01:24] * Mook_as thought mobile will be using a different gecko14 anyway (since they'll release off the beta tree early)
327. # [01:25] <rillian_lime> RyanVM: thanks
328. # [01:25] <NeilAway> Mossop: although the only bug I can find so far is bug 315004 which relates to another way in which a theme was able to inject script
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331. # [01:25] <NeilAway> jimm: yeah, I filed bug 745447
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334. # [01:26] <Mossop> I know we tried to stop scripts in themes but I'm prety sure we gave up and that's why we went to the fuller install UI for themes
335. # [01:26] <dao> NeilAway, Mossop, jimm: the default theme won't necessarily use native theming in all places either
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347. # [01:32] <mdas> gavin: ping
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351. # [01:32] <gavin> mdas: pong
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353. # [01:34] <mdas> gavin: I'm creating an LDAP account for our automation machines. It'll be used to commit to hg.mozilla.org/projects directory (for git->hg mirroring).
354. # [01:34] <gavin> I am CCed on the bug!
355. # [01:34] <mdas> for it to get commit access, it requires your blessing! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=734140
356. # [01:34] <gavin> mdas: which repo exactly?
357. # [01:34] <WeirdAl> bsmedberg: I'm planning on adding some stderr logging to nsIXULAppInstall, at least locally, to see what install-app is actually doing... any suggestions? (I know you want install-app moved to python. This is an intermediate step which I don't plan on submitting to central.)
358. # [01:35] <mdas> gavin: right now it will be http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/dxr/
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363. # [01:36] <mdas> the automation machine lives in the MV network
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371. # [01:38] <gavin> mdas: ooc, why do you need an hg-mirror for the DXR project?
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373. # [01:39] <mdas> gavin: we want to get builds done by releng, and they rely on hg repositories
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375. # [01:39] <gavin> i see
376. # [01:39] <Mossop> We have the same for Jetpack
377. # [01:40] <gavin> Mossop: whose credentials does it use? :)
378. # [01:40] <Mossop> You know I have never asked ;)
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380. # [01:41] <gavin> looks like myk's?
381. # [01:41] <gavin> (http://hg.mozilla.org/labs/jetpack/pushloghtml)
382. # [01:41] <akeybl> bz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745453#c22 - can we kick off a try build with the latest changeset? QA is having trouble verifying with the mozilla-beta on-change build
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384. # [01:42] <Mossop> gavin: More like warner's http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/addon-sdk/pushloghtml
385. # [01:42] <gavin> ah
386. # [01:42] <Mossop> Which makes sense as it currently runs on a box in his closet or something
387. # [01:43] <akeybl> bz: actually I should have refreshed (looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745453#c23 may allow us to verify)
388. # [01:44] <gavin> mdas: so you're going to be responsible for this account and treat it like your own?
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407. # [02:00] <ejpbruel> mrbkap: ping
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410. # [02:01] <RyanVM> akeybl: npotb patches are still ok, right?
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412. # [02:03] <akeybl> RyanVM: go ahead and land those as well - our goal is to give blanket approval to as much as possible that we know would not affect the quality of Fennec Native
413. # [02:03] <RyanVM> great, thanks
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454. # [02:22] <jlebar|mac> bsmith: ping re https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576902#c9 ?
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458. # [02:26] <mdas> gavin: thanks for looking at that so quickly
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460. # [02:26] <mdas> :)
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466. # [02:31] <bsmith> jlebar|mac: I do not know of anything in PSM that is going to give a substantial enough win for memshrink to justify doing it in Q2
467. # [02:31] <jlebar|mac> bsmith: Fantastic, I'll downgrade the bug.
468. # [02:31] <bsmith> as for the rest of Necko, please ask josh to find somebody who knows more about the buffering and caching that is done in Necko.
469. # [02:32] <jlebar|mac> bsmith: Sounds good.
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472. # [02:34] <Callek> bbondy: ping
473. # [02:35] <Callek> bbondy: do you have 15-20 minutes [max] to chat about MAR_CHANNEL_ID and friends as it would affect non-Firefox/Fennec ?
474. # [02:35] <Callek> vidyo, IRC, or skype is fine by me
475. # [02:35] <Callek> bbondy: if not we can schedule a convo later this week if you like
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479. # [02:36] <bbondy> Callek: Just in the middle of finishing my taxes could we do it tomorrow, thurs, or friday day or night?
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481. # [02:37] <Callek> bbondy: sure how about in 23 hours from now (7pm EDT, 4pm PDT) ?
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483. # [02:37] <Callek> (ok 22.5 hours from now for any nitpickers here)
484. # [02:37] <bbondy> 5PM PDT and you got a deal :)
485. # [02:37] <lduros> is DOMParser going to be in FF 12 for sure?
486. # [02:37] <lduros> :-)
487. # [02:37] <Callek> hehe sure
488. # [02:37] <bbondy> k sold
489. # [02:37] <bbondy> :)
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491. # [02:38] <bbondy> we'll do vidyo tomorrow around 5PM PDT just ping me on IRC first
492. # [02:38] <bbondy> Callek^
493. # [02:38] <Callek> bbondy: sure, will-do
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511. # [02:49] <gregglind_away> anyone have tips on setting up windows (VM) for python / moz debugging. I have GitBash, fabric, but jiminy it feels rough
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513. # [02:49] <edmorley> Going to merge inbound from 6b917c007510 unless anyone has any objections?
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518. # [02:55] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: holy crap, I never knew tbpl had all of these features
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522. # [02:56] <edmorley> RyanVM: which?
523. # [02:57] <RyanVM> hit ? on tbpl
524. # [02:57] * RyanVM <3 'u' already
525. # [02:58] <philor> oh, man, you've been starring with a blindfold on and both hands tied behind your back?
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530. # [02:59] <edmorley> RyanVM: yeah I use ?, just wondered which new feature you'd spotted :-)
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532. # [02:59] <RyanVM> edmorley: I never knew it existed
533. # [02:59] <edmorley> ah
534. # [03:00] <RyanVM> 'u' is awesome
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538. # [03:00] <RyanVM> can't believe I never knew about it
539. # [03:00] <Callek> RyanVM: "filters->" has it as well
540. # [03:00] <RyanVM> philor: yes, I've been doing it the hard way :P
541. # [03:01] <edmorley> a shortcut key to select the star and submit in one step, for suggestions where there is only one orange suggested would be pretty cool
542. # [03:01] * edmorley adds to list to take a look at
543. # [03:01] <jamesr> bz, i don't think my proposal is very heavyweight. if it is, then i'd like to understand how to make it lighter. it's at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Jan/0816.html starting at the text "Here's an alternate proposal:"
544. # [03:02] * nthomas is now known as nthomas|away
545. # [03:02] <Callek> can *someone* explain to me the details/rules/whatever behind central APPROVAL REQUIRED without requiring me to read a long thread that was specifically a proposal?
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548. # [03:03] <Callek> and such that I can fill it in on Tree Rules wiki page for others to know
549. # [03:03] <jamesr> bz, i can copy+paste the proposal into the thread again if it'd help
550. # [03:03] <Callek> jamesr: if that was to me, I'm not bz :-P
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552. # [03:04] <jamesr> Callek, the question was to boris :)
553. # [03:05] * Callek didn't know if you were replying about a different thing is why I asked
554. # [03:05] <edmorley> Callek: the first post of the thread pretty much sums it up to be honest
555. # [03:05] <Callek> edmorley: the first "part of the thread" or the first "post in the thread"
556. # [03:05] <RyanVM> mattwoodrow++ (in case you haven't gotten enough yet for taking on bug 539356)
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559. # [03:05] <Callek> edmorley: I want to be able to concisely declare what the rules/plan/etc. is somewhere for both my benefit and for others
560. # [03:06] <mattwoodrow> haha thanks RyanVM
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563. # [03:08] <Callek> edmorley: at the least there should have been a followup post that is a "Per the previous thread and discussion [1] Until Tuesday April 24'th m-c will be APPROVAL REQUIRED" as an entirely new thread. So people who don't care to read the details/argue over the *proposal* (me) but still care enough to know the process behind landings/patches (also me) can know what is going on
564. # [03:08] <Callek> preferrably with more details than just that quote though
565. # [03:09] <catlee-away> Callek++
566. # [03:09] <catlee-away> I got caught not knowing inbound was affected too
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569. # [03:10] <philor> edmorley: that actually already exists, but it's broken so we hope you never notice it ;)
570. # [03:10] <Callek> catlee-away: yea, I want to try and get said post done, since no-one else stepped up to do so, but I really don't want to spend the next 2 hours decyphering the proposal thread to try and figure out what is actually happening
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573. # [03:10] <philor> actually it's a two-click, not one, but then it keeps silently starring everything else you do later as that first one
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578. # [03:13] <Callek> hrm I know who I should poke for that info, the sheriff!
579. # [03:13] * jhford-work-away is now known as jhford-work
580. # [03:13] <Callek> joe: ping
581. # [03:14] <Callek> (failing Joe, I'll accept tomorrows sheriff, dolske)
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583. # [03:17] <philor> heh
584. # [03:17] <RyanVM> Callek: the tbpl header pretty much sums up the rules
585. # [03:17] <RyanVM> Callek: though test-only and npotb aren't listed but are indeed OK
586. # [03:17] <philor> I think there might be as many as one person on that old sheriff schedule who still plays sheriff
587. # [03:17] <philor> neither of those being the one
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589. # [03:19] <Callek> philor: yea that was tonge in cheek :-) since I bet the sheriff scheduler is mostly ignored now since we inbound and amazing people to manage it
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591. # [03:20] <Callek> RyanVM: so "pretty much" or "is the rules"
592. # [03:20] <Callek> RyanVM: as in, are we restricting desktop Firefox-only changes too?
593. # [03:20] <Callek> since the proposal first-post skim I did seemed to indicate this would be only for fennec changes
594. # [03:20] <RyanVM> Callek: it's for all changes
595. # [03:20] * jhford-work is now known as jhford-work-away
596. # [03:21] <RyanVM> akeybl said that the approval rules are pretty lenient, though
597. # [03:21] <@dolske> Callek: thanks for volunteering to gather that info and do a followup post.
598. # [03:21] <Callek> dolske: no problem, I'm happy to do it -- I just want to make sure I understand things right first, so I don't spread any MIS-Information
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600. # [03:21] <Callek> RyanVM: and to be clear, we're going back to open after the uplift?
601. # [03:21] <RyanVM> yes
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603. # [03:22] * zzzzz also thought it was Fennec only - and the desktop was on hold for 9 days, unless you wanted to use Birch, which no one wants to really mess with .
604. # [03:22] <Callek> RyanVM: and for additional clarity "why?" is it just because we want to ship Fennec 14 off aurora as its first beta, is it "we think we'll approval required every final week" or some mystical option c I don't know of
605. # [03:22] <RyanVM> zzzzz: yes, exactly
606. # [03:22] * joduinn-mtg is now known as joduinn
607. # [03:22] <RyanVM> Callek: don't get me started
608. # [03:22] <RyanVM> Callek: at this point, it is what it is.
609. # [03:23] <Waldo> I believe the intent is that this be a one-time thing
610. # [03:23] <Callek> RyanVM: I'm asking so I can try and clarify in my followup post, not arguing the point one way or the other
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614. # [03:23] <RyanVM> but the assurance is that approval will be granted broadly for patches which don't affect fennec
615. # [03:23] <Callek> and since I heard zzzzz are we saying that Birch is "m-c for stuff not approved or not bothered to have approval asked, and will be merged back in after uplift"?
616. # [03:24] <RyanVM> (for the record, I'm not cloning birch - i've already emailed the author of one c-n patch to let him know that it's going to be awhile before it gets checked in)
617. # [03:24] <RyanVM> Birch is what inbound was prior to the freeze
618. # [03:24] <RyanVM> anything can land at any time
619. # [03:25] <Callek> RyanVM: is it being managed like inbound, where its land-and-leave ?
620. # [03:25] <Callek> or is it land-and-watch-please
621. # [03:25] <RyanVM> afaik, yes
622. # [03:25] <zzzzz> only problem, no one but ehsan (sp) is going to be looking at it ... well that may be a stretch - a few may.. but I'm betting not many
623. # [03:25] <@khuey> roc: ping?
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625. # [03:25] <firebot> The dictionary service is not accessible right now, sorry.
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627. # [03:25] <Callek> ehsan|extremely-busy: ^ Birch .... is it "land and watch your patches" or "land and leave, someone will backout if necessary"
628. # [03:25] <zzzzz> firebot botsnack
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631. # [03:26] <ehsan|extremely-busy> Callek: the latter
632. # [03:26] <Callek> ty
633. # [03:27] <@khuey> anybody know what an nsStyleList is?
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637. # [03:27] <@dolske> khuey: someone who does your nsHair?
638. # [03:27] <@khuey> is it just for Lists?
639. # [03:27] <@khuey> or is it a list of style things
640. # [03:28] <Callek> RyanVM, ehsan|extremely-busy: thanks for your help, I'll get that followup post out before 9p PDT
641. # [03:28] <jlebar|mac> So do I have to watch birch if I land? /me was confused up above.
642. # [03:28] <RyanVM> you rock
643. # [03:28] <RyanVM> no
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645. # [03:28] <Waldo> dolske: I thought all the nsStyleLists went away when the dot-com bubble burst
646. # [03:28] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: Okay, thanks.
647. # [03:28] <ehsan|extremely-busy> jlebar|mac: no
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649. # [03:28] <edmorley> !seen wesj
650. # [03:28] <firebot> wesj was last seen 3 hours, 4 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying 'dolske: but i'd be happy to have you look over the provider stuff too: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/base/db/PasswordsProvider.java.in' in #mobile.
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679. # [03:40] <jamesr> bz, i repeated my proposal on the www-style thread. we can discuss there
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688. # [03:43] <njn> http://shawnwilsher.com/archives/549
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704. # [03:53] <Jesse> njn: will compartment-per-global make sharing (e.g. between multiple facebook like buttons) easier or harder?
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710. # [03:55] <njn> Kyle Huey has been making good progress on a patch that has the potential to avoid the majority of add-on leaks that cause zombie compartments. Since leaky add-ons are the #1 cause of high memory consumption in Firefox, this is a good thing.
711. # [03:56] <@khuey> thanks for telling the world
712. # [03:56] <njn> Kyle Huey can leap tall buildings in a single bound
713. # [03:56] <mwu> khuey is gonna fix the memory leak
714. # [03:56] <philor> it reopened after njn fixed it?
715. # [03:56] * kinetik rushes to register hueyfacts.com
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717. # [03:57] * njn didn't really fix it
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719. # [03:57] <philor> yeah, I've done plumbing like that before :)
720. # [03:57] <@roc> khuey: hi!
721. # [03:58] <@khuey> roc: unping ;-)
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726. # [03:58] <njn> Jesse: not sure
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734. # [04:02] * RyanVM still remembers khuey wowing a crowd by showing a live video of himself at a summit
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736. # [04:03] <RyanVM> hard to believe that was almost 2 years ago already
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750. # [04:17] <joe> RyanVM: yeah, hulkhuey
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755. # [04:19] <RyanVM> word on the street is no summit this year?
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758. # [04:20] <jtcranmer> that is what I hath heard
759. # [04:20] <RyanVM> rats
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761. # [04:21] <jtcranmer> my thoughts exactly
762. # [04:21] <RyanVM> was looking forward to seeing some people again
763. # [04:21] <jtcranmer> ditto
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767. # [04:25] <RyanVM> maybe next year
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777. # [04:35] <qheaden> Unfocused: ping
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779. # [04:37] <Unfocused> qheaden: pong
780. # [04:38] <qheaden> Unfocused: Hey there! I needed your advice on something. I am working on moving the SearchEngineProvider and SearchEngineAddon objects into a JavaScript module. Would you recommend this?
781. # [04:38] <qheaden> I think it would be better, since it is separate from the the actual SearchService object, and it uses its functionality.
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792. # [04:46] <Unfocused> qheaden: hmm, i can't think of a reason *not* to do that
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797. # [04:49] <qheaden> Unfocused: I got this idea from looking at both the PluginProvider and the LightweightThemeManager, both of which use JavaScript modules. It seems cleaner.
798. # [04:49] <qheaden> Unfocused: What kind of copyright notice do I need to place at the top of the module source?
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802. # [04:50] <Unfocused> qheaden: you'll just need to be careful when MOZ_TOOLKIT_SEARCH isn't defined (the search service can be completely removed at build-time)
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804. # [04:50] <Unfocused> qheaden: use this for new files: https://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/
805. # [04:51] <qheaden> Unfocused: Would you suggest if #ifdef the entire module in case MOZ_TOOLKIT_SEARCH isn't defined?
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809. # [04:53] <Unfocused> you'll need to make sure that file isn't even packaged when MOZ_TOOLKIT_SEARCH isn't defined
810. # [04:54] <Unfocused> which, if you keep it in toolkit/components/search/, will happen automatically for you
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812. # [04:54] <Unfocused> and you just need to figure out when to register the provider or not
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814. # [04:54] <qheaden> Oh okay. I have it located there.
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816. # [04:54] <qheaden> And I have the provider registered near the end of the source, like the other provider modules do.
817. # [04:55] <Unfocused> wait, how are you loading the jsm?
818. # [04:55] <qheaden> I'm importing it into nsSearchService.js
819. # [04:57] <Unfocused> ah
820. # [04:57] <Unfocused> i guess that works. not sure what benefit it has in being a jsm then, however
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823. # [04:59] <qheaden> Well, nothing really changes from the computer's standpoint, but from the developer's standpoint, it looks cleaner and it better represents the separation of the SearchEngineProvider from the actual SearchService.
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825. # [04:59] <qheaden> Plus, it allows you to use it in other areas of code, if you ever have to in the future for whatever reason.
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832. # [05:02] <Unfocused> ok
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842. # [05:11] <@khuey> njn: hi
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848. # [05:15] <philor> jlebar|mac: woo, there's your first crash!
849. # [05:15] * jlebar|mac looks
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853. # [05:17] <jlebar|mac> philor: you mean in my push to birch?
854. # [05:18] <philor> oh, and is that saying that the existing bug 735572 is coming from that too?
855. # [05:18] <jlebar|mac> philor: That does not appear ot be my abort.
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858. # [05:18] <philor> yeah, birch, mozilla::image::DiscardTracker::EnsureMainThread() isn't you?
859. # [05:18] <jlebar|mac> philor: Yes, but which test?
860. # [05:18] <jlebar|mac> philor: Not the red Tc?
861. # [05:18] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10994000&tree=Birch
862. # [05:19] <philor> I should probably learn that not everybody uses &onlyunstarred=1
863. # [05:19] <jlebar|mac> philor: Thanks. I guess we can back it out now!
864. # [05:19] <jlebar|mac> (That was much easier than I expected.)
865. # [05:19] <philor> which one seemed totally obvious to me, because there's just one test visible in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Birch&onlyunstarred=1 so it would have to be that one :)
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867. # [05:20] <philor> even better, that seems to be saying that we know why bug 735572 exists
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874. # [05:24] <@khuey> gotta love AV software
875. # [05:25] <philor> what threat did it take out this time?
876. # [05:25] <philor> KERNALBASE.DLL?
877. # [05:25] <philor> which would be better if I could spell
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881. # [05:29] <@khuey> philor: our crashreporter
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883. # [05:29] <KWierso> which causes a crash, right?
884. # [05:30] <philor> death of a thousand cuts, it'll probably decide you shouldn't watch <video> next and take out that chunk
885. # [05:31] <@khuey> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733892#c56 for contexgt
886. # [05:31] <@khuey> and also for context
887. # [05:32] <philor> ah, thought you meant Norton again
888. # [05:34] * KWierso wonders how browser.sessionstore.restore_pinned_tabs_on_demand snuck past him... and for how long...
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898. # [05:52] <MauricioC> Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but... An inline autocomplete feature was added in Firefox 13, but it behaves in a very unexpected manner if I have the "When using the location bar, suggest: History" option activated in Preferences (Privacy section), since it also searches bookmarks.
899. # [05:52] <MauricioC> So I dug around a little bit and I found out that it queries the moz_hosts table to try and find hosts quickly before querying moz_places (for perf, I assume? that's bug 566489); the moz_hosts table, however, has no information on visit counts.
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901. # [05:52] <MauricioC> What would be an appropriate way to make the inline autocomplete feature respect the privacy perf mentioned above? Is just disabling the moz_hosts optimization depending on the browser.urlbar.default.behavior pref enough?
902. # [05:52] <MauricioC> s/perf/pref/
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907. # [06:02] <MauricioC> Huh, the moz_hosts query is not the only reason why bookmark results get shown. A few lines down nsPlacesAutoComplete.js, params.searchBehavior for the moz_places query gets set to BEHAVIOR_URL, which ignores the Bookmarks/History distinction. Is the urlbar behavior by design then?
908. # [06:02] <philor> jlebar|mac: unpretty stack, but https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10994552&tree=Birch could be you, too, it's not one I recognize
909. # [06:03] <KWierso> MauricioC: I think it's intentional that the autofilling doesn't follow the suggestion prefs in the awesomebar
910. # [06:03] <jlebar|mac> philor: mozalloc_abort?
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912. # [06:04] <jlebar|mac> philor: that's not OOM?
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914. # [06:05] <philor> dunno, some platforms admit when they're OOM in talos, can't remember if Windows does
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921. # [06:06] <MauricioC> KWierso: Yeah, I see how not following the awesomebar pref can be useful, but I can also think of a few use cases where not following the pref would be a terrible idea privacy-wise... I guess I'll file a bug to gather enough data/opinions before writing a patch then. Thanks!
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927. # [06:09] <philor> jlebar|mac: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=10994552&full=1&branch=birch and cmd+f and ###!!! ABORT: Must be on main thread!: file e:/builds/moz2_slave/bir-w32/build/image/src/DiscardTracker.cpp, line 156
928. # [06:10] <jlebar|mac> philor is much better at this than me.
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931. # [06:10] <philor> I might possibly have looked blankly at one or two logs in my time...
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933. # [06:10] <Callek> attn explanation of current state posted: https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/0ad6c71163986628#
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937. # [06:13] <philor> wouldn't be surprised if that Amazon page is the last in the set, and it's closing a window and updating the jumplist and that's really the same thing, though
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939. # [06:14] <philor> oh, no, it's the first in the set
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941. # [06:14] <philor> or the somethingth
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946. # [06:16] <WeirdAl> Hey, folks - anyone available to answer some questions about XULRunner?
947. # [06:16] <WeirdAl> specifically, launching from a downloaded SDK
948. # [06:16] <WeirdAl> on Mac :)
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953. # [06:19] <WeirdAl> I have an old 13.0a2 framework installed at /Library/Frameworks/XUL.framework/Versions/13.0a2, but my XR app (installed using --install-app correctly this time) is not detecting it
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983. # [06:47] <cpearce> hmm, latest flash player update 11.1.102.62 doesn't work for my nightly build...
984. # [06:48] <cpearce> hmm, doesn't work on release build either...
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988. # [06:50] <markh> hrm - #xul is a little quiet so I'll ask here...
989. # [06:50] <markh> We're creating an addon using XUL overlays and having a debate about where scripts should be placed. All other things being equal, should we prefer javascript modules (imported using Cu.import) over multiple <script> tags in the XUL? IOW, is there a preference to reduce the number of <script> tags?
990. # [06:51] <cpearce> hmm, manual flash player install works...
991. # [06:51] <@khuey> JSMs are probably better
992. # [06:51] <@khuey> since those are singletons
993. # [06:52] <markh> great, thanks - that happens to be my position. But all ammo appreciated :)
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996. # [06:52] * WeirdAl agrees with khuey - script tags tend to suck these days
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1012. # [07:11] <mbrubeck> JSMs are also better for easy on-demand loading, making it easier to avoid impact on startup time
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1027. # [07:25] <WeirdAl> So how does the contents of xulrunner-13.0a2.en-US.mac-x86_64.sdk.tar.bz2 compare with what the equivalent .dmg installs into /Library/Frameworks/XUL.framework/Versions/13.0a2 ?
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1033. # [07:29] <WeirdAl> khuey: also, a question for you re the ftp site: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/nightly/2012/04/ has builds much more recent than ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/nightly/latest-mozilla-aurora/ for XR 13... why would that be?
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1037. # [07:31] <@khuey> this mozApps stuff really needs to go somewhere where I don't get bugmail for it
1038. # [07:32] <@khuey> WeirdAl: no idea, is XR burning on Aurora?
1039. # [07:33] <WeirdAl> probably not, since builds are showing up in the former location with today's datestamp
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1041. # [07:33] <WeirdAl> they're just not showing up in the latter
1042. # [07:35] <WeirdAl> hell, I'm not even sure tbpl has an entry for XULRunner
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1044. # [07:35] <@khuey> it doesn't afaik
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1046. # [07:35] <@khuey> the tinderbox page for it appears to be gone too
1047. # [07:35] <@khuey> so I guess you'll have to poke releng
1048. # [07:36] <WeirdAl> hm, what channel is that? :)
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1050. # [07:36] <KWierso> #build ?
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1052. # [07:36] <WeirdAl> ah, thanks
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1084. # [08:08] <AryehGregor> Okay, so the theory is that I can push to birch instead of m-i or m-c, and my changes are guaranteed to make it back to m-c?
1085. # [08:08] <AryehGregor> At some point?
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1087. # [08:09] * AryehGregor is quite confused, but thinks that's the gist of it
1088. # [08:09] <KWierso> birch is the new m-i, but it only does merges after 9 days from now
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1090. # [08:09] <AryehGregor> Hmm.
1091. # [08:09] <AryehGregor> Okay.
1092. # [08:09] <AryehGregor> So I have to leave my patches in mq as well for now, if I'm sticking with an m-c checkout for development.
1093. # [08:10] <AryehGregor> Which I probably want to because birch might be broken . . . sigh.
1094. # [08:10] <AryehGregor> (it's six days now, no?)
1095. # [08:10] <hsivonen> Is Firefox 12 already so frozen that we don't put more crash fixes into it?
1096. # [08:10] <KWierso> or at least, that's how I interpreted callek's post in dev planning
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1098. # [08:11] <Callek> KWierso: huh? birch is the new m-i UNTIL our next merge day
1099. # [08:11] <KWierso> AryehGregor: yeah, "on or around April 24"
1100. # [08:11] <hsivonen> leaving patches in mq for a week sounds like #firstworldproblems after the review cycles for the HTML5 parser and then the new View Source
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1103. # [08:12] <KWierso> Callek: I'm not really awake, 9 days sounded right at the time :P
1104. # [08:12] <Callek> AryehGregor: the approvals are relatively liberal, so you can ask for it, or land on birch (just like you used to land on m-i)
1105. # [08:12] <philikon> is it possible to postMessage() typed arrays in gecko yet?
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1107. # [08:12] <AryehGregor> Callek, does "relatively liberal" include "random new features that could certainly wait a week but aren't unusually likely to break stuff"?
1108. # [08:12] <AryehGregor> Is there a posted approval policy somewhere?
1109. # [08:13] <Callek> AryehGregor: if its fennec a random new feature likely won't get approval, if its Firefox "maybe"
1110. # [08:13] <Callek> I'm not a driver, but thats how I was basically told it by them
1111. # [08:13] <AryehGregor> What do you mean "if it's fennec"? My patches are in editor/, so they affect both.
1112. # [08:13] <Callek> so if you want to try for it, request approval, or you can land on birch and it will land for Firefox 15
1113. # [08:13] <Callek> yea editor/ would affect fennec
1114. # [08:13] <AryehGregor> If people are going to close trees, is it too much to ask that they clearly write down what the approval policy is somewhere?
1115. # [08:14] <Callek> AryehGregor: I posted what I know to m.d.planning feel free to followup to my post if the state of things are not clear
1116. # [08:14] <hsivonen> so I have a crash fix in inbound. should I wait until it has made it into nightlies before requesting branch approval? or is it futile to try to get approval for 12 anyway?
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1118. # [08:15] <Callek> hsivonen: there is a *chance* we'll have another Gecko 12 beta, but I don't know
1119. # [08:15] <AryehGregor> Ah, I didn't see that thread.
1120. # [08:15] <Callek> I'd request and say something like "I'm not sure if this is in time for Gecko 12, but requesting just in case"
1121. # [08:15] <hsivonen> Callek: ok
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1132. # [08:25] <AryehGregor> Is there a way on Bugzilla to get a list of all approval-mozilla-central- bugs so I can get an idea of what's getting approved or not?
1133. # [08:26] <AryehGregor> Hmm, maybe advanced search will do it . . . looks like it.
1134. # [08:26] <AryehGregor> No, maybe not.
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1136. # [08:28] <AryehGregor> I guess I'll just request approval and see what happens.
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1139. # [08:33] <AryehGregor> Or not. Bleh.
1140. # [08:34] <KWierso> "Can't use cf_approval-mozilla-central as a field name."
1141. # [08:34] <KWierso> :\
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1146. # [08:40] <KWierso> oh, the flag's on the attachment?
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1150. # [08:41] <Unfocused> isn't it always?
1151. # [08:42] <KWierso> I've never been in a position where I needed to care about how approval flags worked
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1161. # [08:57] <hsivonen> Why don't we set readyState to "interactive" when a parse ends due to the parser getting aborted?
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1247. # [10:14] <firebot> Check-in:
1248. # [10:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/28ebf87f14a9 - Myk Melez - bug 746457 - fix bustage in reading extension default prefs (not covered by tests) from changeset ef55c163a23a (bug 725408); followup patch that completely reverts change to the
1249. # [10:14] <firebot> previous behavior; r,a=bustage
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1255. # [10:21] <myk> dao: i just posted to the bug, but to follow up here as well; indeed, tree rules no longer allow for such bustage fixes; that's my bad for not being up-to-date on the latest tree rules; next time i'll back out the offending patch immediately instead of committing a bustage fix
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1297. # [11:27] <Cork> is there a known problem with firefox and Virtual C++ 2011 Redistributable?
1298. # [11:27] <Cork> theres a user in #firefox that crashes each time he starts with "the application was unable to start correctly (0xc000007b) click ok to close the applicatio"
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1307. # [11:33] <AryehGregor> Cork, did you search Bugzilla?
1308. # [11:34] <Cork> i have zero bugs >_>
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1310. # [11:35] <Cork> should i ask him to try to grab a stacktrace?
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1314. # [11:36] <Cork> i'll ask him for the time beeing
1315. # [11:37] <ewong> Cork file a bug and add the stack trace..
1316. # [11:37] <ewong> was thinking of trying out the MSVC 2011 beta... but think I'll wait
1317. # [11:37] <Cork> ewong: done
1318. # [11:37] <ewong> Cork bug #?
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1321. # [11:38] <Cork> not done yet
1322. # [11:38] <Cork> but i've asked him :)
1323. # [11:38] <ewong> oh ok
1324. # [11:38] <Cork> he's using vc+ 2010 but has the redistributables
1325. # [11:38] <AryehGregor> What's the difference between NS_IMETHODIMP and nsresult in practice? Is it important to use NS_IMETHODIMP instead of nsresult sometimes? I see it adds __stdcall on Windows . . .
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1329. # [11:41] <Unfocused> AryehGregor: IIRC, that's the only difference, and that difference alone makes it important
1330. # [11:41] <AryehGregor> Okay.
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1392. # [12:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/35e13f42ee8a - Ginn Chen - Bug 689916 testing for regexp crash on SPARC r=dmandelin a=test-only
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1396. # [12:56] <vingtetun> can i land something that is b2g-only?
1397. # [12:56] <vingtetun> or do i need a special approval?
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1399. # [12:57] <AryehGregor> vingtetun, someone said you don't need approval for stuff that's not part of Fennec, but https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.dev.planning/CtbHEWOYZig seems not to say that.
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1401. # [12:57] <jfkthame> vingtetun: i'm not entirely sure but i suspect you should get approval (though if it is clear that it affects only b2g, approval ought to be granted easily, i think)
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1403. # [12:58] <mounir> vingtetun: you need approval for anything that is part of the build
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1405. # [12:58] <rclick> I would think that something b2g-only would count as NPOTB, but I'm not certain.
1406. # [12:59] <vingtetun> it affects only b2g/ for sure: bug 746121
1407. # [12:59] <mounir> vingtetun: I think you could go with a=b2g-only
1408. # [12:59] <vingtetun> does NPOTB means: part of firefox/fennec build, or everything that is built by our buildbots?
1409. # [13:00] <mounir> vingtetun: desktop-only has automatic approval AFAIUI
1410. # [13:00] <mounir> so I guess b2g-only too
1411. # [13:00] <@smaug> hmm, automatic approval
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1413. # [13:00] <@smaug> I wonder how to know if something is desktop-only
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1416. # [13:02] <mounir> smaug: if you change desktop UI I guess
1417. # [13:02] <jfkthame> i don't see anything about "automatic" approval for desktop-only in the summary
1418. # [13:02] <@smaug> mounir: well, if I change something under toolkit/
1419. # [13:02] <@smaug> something which is part of some UI
1420. # [13:02] <@smaug> but I don't know if Fennec uses it for something
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1422. # [13:03] <jfkthame> if in doubt, ask for approval - waiting a day for a? triage is less messy than if people start landing questionable things, then some of them get backed out, etc
1423. # [13:03] <@smaug> yeah
1424. # [13:04] <mounir> jfkthame: it's in Johnathan's original email
1425. # [13:04] <mounir> I would just land that with a=b2g-only personaly
1426. # [13:04] <mounir> the goal is to protect Fennec from being screwed
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1428. # [13:04] <mounir> if that can't in any way touch fennec, I hope we are clever enough to make the call
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1432. # [13:07] <vingtetun> the patch change only one file that live in b2g/components/, so that can't affect anything else than b2g
1433. # [13:07] <jfkthame> mounir: johnath's original mail said "I'd propose that desktop-only changes get swift approval" …. i don't believe "swift" was intended to mean "automatic", it just means he expects drivers will be able to approve them promptly
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1436. # [13:09] <vingtetun> hmm, which permissions should i have on bugzilla to ask for a=?
1437. # [13:09] <jfkthame> editbugs, i'd guess?
1438. # [13:09] <jfkthame> it'll show up as a flag on the patch, not the bug
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1440. # [13:10] <Unfocused> shouldn't need editbugs to request that on a patch you uploaded
1441. # [13:10] <Ms2ger> bholley, bz_sleep, thanks a lot (re 743615)
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1443. # [13:10] <vingtetun> i don't see any boxes for that on the bug
1444. # [13:10] <mounir> jfkthame: I guess my poor non-native english makes me thing "swift" means "no"
1445. # [13:11] <mounir> and I will try to not remember that
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1447. # [13:11] <mounir> s/not//
1448. # [13:12] <Unfocused> mounir: swift = fast :)
1449. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> See also: Pokémon move :)
1450. # [13:13] <mounir> Ms2ger: that tells a lot about your age ;)
1451. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> :)
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1453. # [13:14] <vingtetun> mounir: that's your age too
1454. # [13:14] <mounir> not really, sorry
1455. # [13:14] <vingtetun> so why do you have some on your desk?
1456. # [13:14] <darktrojan> poké what?
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1459. # [13:15] <Ms2ger`class> vingtetun++
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1464. # [13:16] <edmorley> Ms2ger`class: good morning
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1467. # [13:17] <Ms2ger`class> edmorley, morning, and congratulations!
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1475. # [13:20] <pedro> hey there - is it just me or latest nightly messed a bit with some of the addons?
1476. # [13:21] <pedro> dao's ctr-tab lost the settings, firegestures stopped working properly and memory restart doesn't report the correct ammount of memory usage
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1480. # [13:25] <@smaug> sounds strange
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1482. # [13:25] <@smaug> I haven't seen any problems with the addons I use
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1486. # [13:29] <zzzzz> pedro: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746457 there was a followup patch that landed after the nightly was spun, which reverts some behaviour
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1488. # [13:30] * zzzzz suggests a re-spin may be in order
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1494. # [13:33] <pedro> remind me - how do I check my current build id? something like about:build?
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1501. # [13:35] <rclick> pedro: about:buildconfig will tell you what changeset it was built from, if that's what you're looking for.
1502. # [13:35] <pedro> yep, thanks
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1504. # [13:36] <pedro> trying to see if zzzzz's bug fix is there already
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1510. # [13:38] <zzzzz> pedro: nightly is cset 0c7e2911be75, fix landed after that, is cset 28ebf87f4a9
1511. # [13:38] <zzzzz> you could download an hourly with the fix, but that will take you off the nightly channel
1512. # [13:38] <pedro> about:buildconfig doesn't show me the cset, where can I see it?
1513. # [13:39] <pedro> or I can't and you just know it?
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1519. # [13:41] <AryehGregor> In file included from /mnt/extra/checkouts/mozilla-central/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditorStyle.cpp:41:0:
1520. # [13:41] <AryehGregor> /mnt/extra/checkouts/mozilla-central/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditor.h:45:31: fatal error: nsPlaintextEditor.h: No such file or directory
1521. # [13:41] <AryehGregor> compilation terminated.
1522. # [13:42] <zzzzz> pedro: I am looking at tbpl , about:buildconfig should have a line that says: built from...cset (changeset) is the last part of the link
1523. # [13:42] <AryehGregor> . . . I didn't touch anything related to header files since my last compile.
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1526. # [13:43] <pedro> zzzzz: doesn't - but thanks for the info, that bug seems a good fit for this
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1529. # [13:43] <AryehGregor> And now it works when I try recompiling. Weird.
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1558. # [13:56] <edmorley> Ms2ger`class: (sorry mibbet in an apptab is useless for pings) thank you :-)
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1561. # [13:57] <Ms2ger`class> Heh
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1564. # [13:58] <Ms2ger`class> They don't let you use chatzilla at your new job? :)
1565. # [13:59] <@smaug> :p
1566. # [13:59] * Ms2ger`class focuses on class again
1567. # [13:59] * @smaug should figure out some reason to visit London
1568. # [13:59] <@smaug> Gardens
1569. # [13:59] <@smaug> that is always a good reason. Kew Gardens
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1571. # [14:01] <Ms2ger`class> smaug, in preparation for your horticulture degree? :)
1572. # [14:01] <@smaug> exactly
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1588. # [14:15] <mak> edmorley: hm, did you mark all the bugs from the last merge? looks like some are missing
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1595. # [14:17] * mak does a pass
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1598. # [14:21] <edmorley> mak: yeah have some left to mark, started yesterday but wasn't able to carry on once back at the hotel as the wifi wasn't giving me an IP address :-/
1599. # [14:21] <mak> ok, going through them now
1600. # [14:21] <felipe> mak: do you know how to respin nightlies using a new changeset?
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1603. # [14:22] <edmorley> mak: I'm happy to mark them now :-)
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1605. # [14:23] <felipe> current nightlies have bug 746457 but the fix has pushed
1606. # [14:23] <felipe> *was
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1608. # [14:24] <mak> felipe: just use self-serve
1609. # [14:24] <mak> felipe: there is a trigger nightlies at the bottom, just give it a changeset
1610. # [14:24] <felipe> it'd be nice to get new nightlies from cset 28ebf87f14a9 but I don't think that got PGO builds, so I don't know what to do
1611. # [14:25] <mak> nightlies are pgo
1612. # [14:25] <Ms2ger`class> edmorley, so, where are you going to be based?
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1614. # [14:25] <mak> felipe: if you need further help, just let me know
1615. # [14:25] <felipe> mak: but is it ok to ask for new nightlies without seeing results from a pgo test run?
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1617. # [14:26] <edmorley> Ms2ger`class: the London office, I'm just out in SF for the a-team work week (and as you can guess I'm having fun adjusting to the timezone lol)
1618. # [14:26] <Ms2ger`class> :)
1619. # [14:26] <Ms2ger`class> Anyway, off
1620. # [14:26] <Ms2ger`class> See you all later
1621. # [14:26] <mak> felipe: if the last pgo was green and the additions are unlikely to change that... btw nightlies are automated and can basically start on any changeset even if it didn't get pgo, so you are not making anything worse than the automatic system
1622. # [14:27] <edmorley> Ms2ger`class: bye
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1624. # [14:27] <mak> felipe: in this case I see the only change is that else if, don't think can make much of a difference
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1626. # [14:28] <felipe> mak: ok cool, I've requested it through self-serve
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1628. # [14:29] * mak wonders if we can cancel nightlies safely or has the same problems as other builds... philor?
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1630. # [14:30] <mounir> edmorley: you got hired?
1631. # [14:30] <philor> mak: no, because they have a different problem
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1633. # [14:31] <philor> you can't tell whether they've uploaded some bits and not others
1634. # [14:31] <mak> ah, ok
1635. # [14:31] <edmorley> mounir: yeah :-)
1636. # [14:31] <philor> they don't have the objdir problem because they're always clobbers anyway
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1638. # [14:31] <mounir> edmorley: congrats ;)
1639. # [14:32] <mak> edmorley: ah congrats!!!!!!
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1641. # [14:32] <felipe> edmorley++
1642. # [14:32] <mak> philor: thanks for explanation
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1648. # [14:34] <edmorley> mounir, mak, felipe: thanks! :-)
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1652. # [14:37] <mak> edmorley: ok, all bugs should now be marked
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1654. # [14:38] <edmorley> mak: thank you
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1688. # [15:12] <gabor> is there anyone here from Germany? or anyone knows something about the planned new office in Berlin?
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1692. # [15:13] <bhearsum> gabor: Pike might know
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1695. # [15:13] <Fallen> I'm from Germany, but I don't know much about the new office
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1699. # [15:15] <gabor> bhearsum: thanks for the hint... Pike: do you know anything about the planned office in Berlin?
1700. # [15:15] <gabor> Fallen: I guess that means, that it won't open any time soon...
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1702. # [15:15] <Pike> nope, the little I heard is hard to interpret
1703. # [15:16] <Fallen> yeah, all I heard is that there is still planning work to do
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1706. # [15:17] <bhearsum> glandium: ping
1707. # [15:17] <Pike> the best source I have is bhueppe, but I usually only meet her on other continents
1708. # [15:21] <gabor> right... thanks for the update anyway
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1710. # [15:22] <mak> gabor: ttaubert lives in berlin and may know something
1711. # [15:23] <gabor> mak: thanks
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1717. # [15:25] <ttaubert> we haven't picked a place yet afaik
1718. # [15:26] <ttaubert> I *think* we're in negotiations but gary didn't say which place i's about
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1738. # [15:36] <AryehGregor> Do you have to declare a method in a header file even if you're only going to use it inside the file it's defined in?
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1742. # [15:38] <mounir> bz_sleep: could you ping me when you are available?
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1746. # [15:42] <AryehGregor> Hmm, maybe then I just shouldn't make it a method at all?
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1748. # [15:42] <AryehGregor> Oh, or it has to be static, probably.
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1750. # [15:42] <AryehGregor> That makes sense.
1751. # [15:42] <AryehGregor> Or, maybe it doesn't . . .
1752. # [15:42] * AryehGregor needs to read up on C++
1753. # [15:44] <mounir> AryehGregor: no
1754. # [15:44] <mounir> if you want to use a method only in a specific file you can make it static
1755. # [15:44] <mounir> in the cpp file
1756. # [15:44] <mounir> but that's more the C way
1757. # [15:44] <AryehGregor> So if I want to split out part of a method into a helper function, what's the best way to do it?
1758. # [15:44] <mounir> in C++, you can also use an anonymous namespace
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1760. # [15:45] <mounir> AryehGregor: dom/base/nsScreen.cpp look at this file
1761. # [15:45] <mounir> there is such a method at the beginning
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1763. # [15:45] <AryehGregor> How does that work?
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1768. # [15:46] <mounir> namespace without a name are anonymous namespaces
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1770. # [15:46] <mounir> and are only accessible in the current file
1771. # [15:47] <AryehGregor> How is that different from a static function?
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1774. # [15:48] <mounir> AryehGregor: for me, it's the same
1775. # [15:48] <mounir> there might be small differences
1776. # [15:48] <Julian> Q: what would be the right component for a "data: URI" parsing bug?
1777. # [15:49] <AryehGregor> Can I make a method that's only visible within the current file?
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1779. # [15:49] <AryehGregor> Or do I have to declare it in the header file, and just make it private if I want it private?
1780. # [15:50] <mounir> AryehGregor: whitin the current file, what I said should be enough
1781. # [15:50] <mounir> no need to put anything in the header
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1783. # [15:51] <mounir> btw, after a quick look, static keyword and anonymous namespaces are more or less the same thing but C++ specifications recommend using anonymous namespace
1784. # [15:51] <AryehGregor> /mnt/extra/checkouts/mozilla-central/editor/libeditor/html/nsHTMLEditorStyle.cpp:361:75: error: definition of ‘nsresult nsHTMLEditor::SetInlinePropertyOnNodeImpl(nsIDOMNode*, nsIAtom*, const nsAString_internal*, const nsAString_internal*)’ is not in namespace enclosing ‘nsHTMLEditor’ [-fpermissive]
1785. # [15:51] <AryehGregor> So that doesn't seem to work for methods.
1786. # [15:52] <martyn> AryehGregor, there are some interesting points here --> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4977252/why-unnamed-namespace-is-a-superior-alternative-to-static
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1788. # [15:52] <mounir> AryehGregor: can I see your patch?
1789. # [15:53] <AryehGregor> Just a sec.
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1793. # [15:55] <AryehGregor> mounir, http://paste.ubuntu.com/935461/
1794. # [15:55] <AryehGregor> That compiles.
1795. # [15:56] <AryehGregor> If you can tell me a way to get it to work without declaring anything in the header, I'm interested in learning.
1796. # [15:56] <AryehGregor> (the patch will not apply to m-c, it depends on other patches)
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1800. # [15:57] <mounir> AryehGregor: SetInlinePropertyOnNodeImpl doesn't use any C++ member class?
1801. # [15:58] <AryehGregor> mounir, what?
1802. # [15:58] <mounir> any member class
1803. # [15:58] <AryehGregor> What do you mean?
1804. # [15:58] <mounir> arf
1805. # [15:58] <mounir> class member
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1808. # [15:59] <mounir> I think it's okay to keep that method private
1809. # [15:59] <mounir> it seems to be pretty much linked to the class
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1823. # [16:09] <gabor> khuey: ping
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1846. # [16:25] <friedcell> anybody here? :)
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1848. # [16:26] <gcp_> sure
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1850. # [16:27] <friedcell> I was wondering who designed the interactions on datalist enabled inputs
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1857. # [16:30] <mounir> vingtetun: "
1858. # [16:30] <mounir> The goal of the tree rule change was to prevent Fennec bustage, so I think a=desktop-only or a=b2g-only would make sense. Any concerns here with adding that to the tree rules?
1859. # [16:30] <mounir> "
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1867. # [16:33] <robert> https://twitter.com/#!/friedcell/status/192615320341577728
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1869. # [16:33] <sedovsek> Ah, sorry. Didn't see friedcell already asked the question.
1870. # [16:34] <friedcell> sedovsek: already here :)
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1873. # [16:35] <@smaug> sedovsek: did you get the answer already?
1874. # [16:35] <vingtetun> mounir: <3
1875. # [16:35] <mounir> vingtetun: FWIW, that was on dev-planning so I think you are more or less good to land with a=b2g-only
1876. # [16:36] <friedcell> smaug: I didn't
1877. # [16:36] <vingtetun> mounir: thanks, i missed it
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1879. # [16:36] <@smaug> friedcell: have you looked at the bug?
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1882. # [16:36] <mounir> vingtetun: I'm your faithful PA :)
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1886. # [16:37] <vingtetun> lol :)
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1888. # [16:37] <@smaug> friedcell: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555840
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1894. # [16:38] <friedcell> smaug: didn't find that, thanks!
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1898. # [16:41] <friedcell> mounir: here?
1899. # [16:42] <mounir> friedcell: yes?
1900. # [16:42] <friedcell> mounir: datalist impl
1901. # [16:42] <friedcell> wondering who designed the interactions in the UI
1902. # [16:43] <mounir> friedcell: it's the autocomplete code that is behind the UI
1903. # [16:43] <friedcell> stuff like left arrow selects the option & puts the cursor at the beginning
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1907. # [16:44] <mounir> so you should ask who designed that UI
1908. # [16:44] <mounir> and I have no idea :)
1909. # [16:44] <mounir> this is likely very old
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1912. # [16:44] <friedcell> how about why if I type "a" it would suggest "Radio"
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1917. # [16:46] <mounir> same thing, this comes from the autocomplete behavior
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1919. # [16:46] <mounir> it might be debatable
1920. # [16:46] <friedcell> mounir: thanks.
1921. # [16:47] <friedcell> mounir: how do I figure out who designed the UI? :)
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1924. # [16:48] <mounir> friedcell: I that point, I think 'who' isn't the question
1925. # [16:48] <mounir> if you have issues with the UI that apply to both autocomplete and datalist, you should file a bug against the autocomplete UI
1926. # [16:48] <mounir> and have someone from UX to look at it
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1928. # [16:49] <friedcell> mounir: no issues, just wanna talk about it
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1930. # [16:49] <mounir> friedcell: dev-apps-firefox newsgroup/mailing-list seems an appropriate place
1931. # [16:50] <mounir> I don't know if there are much UX people around but they should be there at least
1932. # [16:50] <friedcell> mounir: thanks
1933. # [16:50] <friedcell> will try
1934. # [16:50] <mounir> yw
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1972. # [17:06] <firebot> gregor was last seen 2 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 23 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying 'hi, does anybody know if there is anywhere an addon for gpg encrypt/decrypt like the old http://de.getfiregpg.org/s/home ?' in #firefox.
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2020. # [17:36] * @bz wonders what the point was of doing a browser grand prix on XP
2021. # [17:36] <@bz> apart from penalizing IE
2022. # [17:37] <Ms2ger> Sounds like a good reason to me :)
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2025. # [17:39] <@bz> meh
2026. # [17:39] <@bz> as if anyone needed to be told that using IE on XP if you care about modern stuff (incl. perf) is a bad idea
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2034. # [17:43] <rillian_lime> cdiehl: well, that didn't take you long!
2035. # [17:44] <ferongr> bz: I assume the performance advantage of Chrome in those measurements (when it comes to canvas tests) are due to Skia
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2042. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> Gah, I seem to get a lot more s-s bugmail since it's censored
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2046. # [17:50] <qheaden> What is the integer data type in an XPCOM interface?
2047. # [17:50] <qheaden> Is it int, integer, or something else?
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2049. # [17:52] <@bz> Ms2ger: heh
2050. # [17:52] <@bz> qheaden: "the integer"?
2051. # [17:52] <@bz> qheaden: what do you mean?
2052. # [17:52] <Ms2ger> qheaden, long / unsigned long / ...
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2054. # [17:53] <@bz> qheaden: xpidl has short, long, long long data types
2055. # [17:53] <qheaden> Oh ok. So no int huh?
2056. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> No
2057. # [17:53] <@bz> qheaden: which are defined to be uint16_t, uint32_t, uint64_t
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2059. # [17:53] <@bz> in the C++ bindings
2060. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> bz, those with "unsigned" in front, at least
2061. # [17:53] <@bz> er, yes
2062. # [17:53] <qheaden> So basically the long data type is the same size as a unsigned int?
2063. # [17:53] <@bz> no
2064. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> No
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2066. # [17:54] <@bz> the long data type is a int32_t
2067. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> short = 16-bit
2068. # [17:54] <@bz> unsigned int, on the other hand, could be anywhere from 16 to 64 bits
2069. # [17:54] <@bz> depending on platform
2070. # [17:54] <qheaden> What would you recommend for returning an array index? long?
2071. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> Sure
2072. # [17:54] <qheaden> Ok.
2073. # [17:54] <@bz> unsigned long
2074. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> Er, that, yes
2075. # [17:55] <qheaden> Ok.
2076. # [17:55] <Ms2ger> bz, you don't happen to know off-hand why nsRange uses longs instead of unsigned longs? :)
2077. # [17:55] <@bz> ms2ger: you mean nsIDOMRange?
2078. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> Yeah
2079. # [17:56] <@smaug> Bas: ping
2080. # [17:56] <Bas> smaug: pong
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2083. # [17:57] <@bz> ms2ger: because the DOM WG
2084. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> Makes sense
2085. # [17:57] * Ms2ger blames jst
2086. # [17:58] <@smaug> Bas: a bit silly question, but can you guess what makes activating the tab which has http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDSupportHub.aspx loaded slow.
2087. # [17:58] <@smaug> Bas: problem seems to occur especially on Windows
2088. # [17:58] * shorlander_ is now known as shorlander
2089. # [17:58] <Bas> smaug: Does it disappear when you disable D2D?
2090. # [17:58] <@smaug> no
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2092. # [17:59] <Bas> smaug: The tabs doesn't look special to me nor is it slow :(
2093. # [17:59] * NeilAway doesn't find browser particularly fast on xp, because graphics acceleration wants newer drivers
2094. # [18:00] <Ms2ger> "apprppriate"
2095. # [18:00] <Ms2ger> That has too many p's?
2096. # [18:01] <hsivonen> Tom's hardware thinks Firefox is still on Gecko 2.0
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2099. # [18:01] <hsivonen> and that WebKit 2 is a rendering engine
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2104. # [18:03] <@smaug> Bas: ah, on linux some what bad profiling shows that quite a bit time is spent in PNG decoder :/
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2107. # [18:05] <@bz> smaug: probably the image discarding and then decoding everything thing....
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2110. # [18:07] <@smaug> bz: I thought we don't discard everything immediately
2111. # [18:07] <@smaug> but perhaps we do
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2114. # [18:07] <@bz> smaug: for background tabs, we might
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2125. # [18:12] <mkaply> Is there any notification on Mac when the browser is hidden or minimized?
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2130. # [18:14] <sheppy> The window or the entire app?
2131. # [18:15] <mbrubeck> Why won't "hg qimport" download a patch from an http:// URL anymore? Did that go away in hg 2.1 or something?
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2133. # [18:16] <mkaply> sheppy: Either would work. Bad things happen to a panel that is left open when Firefox is hidden. So I want to hide the panel. (focus change isn't enough because it happens with Options+H even if the panel is set to autohide)
2134. # [18:16] <mkaply> plus the blur messages come after the window has been hidden/minimized
2135. # [18:16] <sheppy> Hm.
2136. # [18:17] <gregglind> are there other moz-actions in wide usage other than 'switchtab'?
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2138. # [18:17] <mkaply> sheppy: And once it's happened, the panel doesn't work right ever again.
2139. # [18:18] <jhford-work> is it easy to tell if a program was linked with gold instead of bfd by only looking at elf file?
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2141. # [18:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/23a0762a0dd6 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 647665 - Inform the UI that we do not hover a link anymore if the element is removed from the DOM. r=bz a=gavin
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2145. # [18:20] <Ms2ger> mounir++
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2147. # [18:20] <mwu> jhford-work: readelf -n <binary>
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2149. # [18:20] <mounir> Ms2ger: you likely are the only person to care about that
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2151. # [18:21] <jhford> thanks mwu
2152. # [18:21] <Ms2ger> I only care because I had to dupe something to that bug recently :)
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2155. # [18:21] <jdm> mbrubeck: I'm seeing the same problem
2156. # [18:22] <jdm> glad to know I'm not crazy
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2158. # [18:22] <Ms2ger> Though, a patch to ESM that smaug didn't review...
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2163. # [18:23] <@bz> it happens
2164. # [18:23] <@bz> dbaron and I and roc have been known to meddle in there too
2165. # [18:23] <sheppy> mkaply: looking around for an answer for you there… it seems like there should be an event for that...
2166. # [18:23] <Ms2ger> Well, usually when it happens it's mwu :)
2167. # [18:23] <@bz> you just have to know about which parts of the ESM are safe and which are not
2168. # [18:23] <mbrubeck> jdm: Grr, and "hg import" fails with an SSL error
2169. # [18:23] <mbrubeck> Time for wget
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2171. # [18:24] <Waldo> bz: the safe parts are the comments, right?
2172. # [18:24] <Ms2ger> bz, or assume nothing is safe
2173. # [18:24] <jdm> mbrubeck: can you manually use curl/wget? If not, you probably need to update those and the ca-cert package
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2175. # [18:24] <@bz> waldo: well, some of the stuff that sends out style change notifications is almost safe
2176. # [18:24] <Ms2ger> Hmm
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2178. # [18:25] <Ms2ger> I wonder if smaug has already started cleaning up docshell
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2182. # [18:26] <sheppy> mkaply: this is weird, it doesn't look like there's an event sent on minimize and unminimize of windows.
2183. # [18:26] <mbrubeck> jdm: Yeah, wget works
2184. # [18:26] <mbrubeck> and curl
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2187. # [18:26] <@bz> sheppy: there sure should be
2188. # [18:26] <@bz> sheppy: to chrome
2189. # [18:26] <jdm> mbrubeck: let me know if you have any ideas about getting qimport to work again; I didn't realize how integrated into my workflow it really was :/
2190. # [18:26] <sheppy> bz: yeah, there should be, but I sure can't find any sign that there is.
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2192. # [18:27] <@bz> sheppy: what event are you listening for?
2193. # [18:27] <sheppy> neither in docs nor in code as I poke through it. can anyone with more Gecko code chops take a look?
2194. # [18:27] <@smaug> Ms2ger: not yet
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2196. # [18:27] <sheppy> bz: I'm not; I'm just looking to see if there is one. I'm trying to help mkaply. :)
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2198. # [18:27] <@bz> sheppy: oh
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2200. # [18:27] <@bz> sheppy: one sec
2201. # [18:27] <sheppy> bz: it sure seems like there ought to be one, and unlikely there isn't :)
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2203. # [18:28] <@bz> sheppy: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL/Events
2204. # [18:28] <@bz> sheppy: search for "sizemodechange"
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2206. # [18:28] <sheppy> "sizemodechange" - no wonder searching on "minimize" wasn't helpful.
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2208. # [18:29] <@bz> well, it fires when you maximize too
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2210. # [18:29] <@bz> or switch to fullscreen
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2212. # [18:29] <mkaply> cool.
2213. # [18:29] <@bz> or restore to normal sizemode
2214. # [18:29] * sheppy fiddles to try to improve discoverability.
2215. # [18:30] <mkaply> I guess the only question (which I'll find out) is hiding on mac considering a sizemodechange (not the same as minimizing)
2216. # [18:30] <@bz> that's a good question
2217. # [18:30] <@bz> if it's not, it should be
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2221. # [18:30] <@bz> because we want to switch tabs to inactive when it happens
2222. # [18:30] <@bz> so if that's not the case, please file a bug
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2224. # [18:31] * @bz bets we need a bug anyway, since we only switch to inactive in minimized sizemode
2225. # [18:31] <bjacob> sewardj: where is exp-ptrcheck? can't find it in V svn
2226. # [18:31] <avih> does anyone know someone from #mozdev, i posted a question there twice in the last week, but the channel seems deserted, and there could be an issue with mozdev.org...
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2228. # [18:31] <bjacob> sewardj: oh, exp-sgcheck
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2231. # [18:33] <mkaply> sheppy: nope. Doesn't
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2234. # [18:33] <mkaply> and bz - no onsizechange when you do Option+H
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2237. # [18:33] <sheppy> mkaply: hm
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2240. # [18:33] <mkaply> you do get it on the minimize button
2241. # [18:34] <mkaply> checking activate/deactivate now
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2243. # [18:34] <sewardj> bjacob: yes
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2245. # [18:35] <mkaply> nope, no deactivate either. Ah well
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2247. # [18:35] <mkaply> bz: what component would be right for a bug on that?
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2250. # [18:36] <mkaply> widget: cocoa in toolkit?
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2252. # [18:37] <@smaug> I can't get this commit message right. first r=gaivn, then r=gevin ..
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2258. # [18:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/218a9ef79151 - Olli Pettay - Bug 745744 - Geolocation doorhanger might cause zombie compartments because it keeps callbacks alive, r=gavin, a=desktop-only
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2278. # [18:48] <mayhemer__> what is the try: option to build only b2g?
2279. # [18:49] <Ms2ger> -p b2g
2280. # [18:49] <Ms2ger> I think
2281. # [18:49] <mayhemer__> Ms2ger: thanks
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2287. # [18:54] <edmorley> ehsan|extremely-busy: I presume you've seen it, but profiling builds are busted on several platforms
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2292. # [18:57] <ehsan|extremely-busy> edmorley: oh :(
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2294. # [18:59] <Ms2ger> /nick ehsan|even-more-extremely-busy
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2297. # [19:00] <daoberes> hello, everyone! question about mimeTypes.rdf: is it possible to place it anywhere in the appdir so that all instances of firefox will read from that version instead of the one in the profile dir?
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2299. # [19:02] <mbrubeck> mounir: Looks like you have some orange on m-c.
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2305. # [19:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fe91ab23b390 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 735262 - Fix the compilation error on profiling builds; r=me a=npotb
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2308. # [19:04] <KWierso> daoberes: you could probably stick it in [installationdir]\omni.ja\defaults\profile\, and then every profile created from then on would pick itup
2309. # [19:05] <mwu> KWierso: not sure if default profile extraction support ever landed for omnijar
2310. # [19:05] <ehsan|extremely-busy> edmorley: fixed
2311. # [19:05] <mwu> however, the path without omnijar should work still
2312. # [19:05] <daoberes> KWierso: thanks, i'll give that a try!
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2315. # [19:06] <KWierso> daoberes: like mwu said, it might be easier to just create the profile folder in the non-omni.ja defaults folder
2316. # [19:06] <edmorley> ehsan|extremely-busy: :-)
2317. # [19:06] <KWierso> otherwise you have to extract and re-jar omnijar
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2320. # [19:07] <mounir> mbrubeck: damn :)
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2322. # [19:08] <mounir> why does it always happen when you think "oh, dear, it should be safe..."
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2327. # [19:08] <mounir> oh...
2328. # [19:08] <mounir> I didn't push the correct patch... :-/
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2331. # [19:09] * edmorley passes mounir the sombrero of shame...
2332. # [19:09] <edmorley> :-)
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2334. # [19:09] <mounir> edmorley: i already wear a fedora hat of i don't remember what
2335. # [19:10] <Ms2ger> French Fedora of Fail
2336. # [19:10] <WeirdAl> OK, let me try again... for Mac, what does XULRunner's XUL.framework have that the SDK's bin directory doesn't?
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2339. # [19:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f9fbee492a5c - Mounir Lamouri - Backout 23a0762a0dd6 because of bustage. a=backout
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2355. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, some people claim that r= is enforced in commit messages, but that's a lie
2356. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> It's the bug number that's enforced
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2360. # [19:17] <cpeterson> why not enforce r= too?
2361. # [19:19] <ejpbruel> how do i run all the tests in mozilla-central again?
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2363. # [19:20] <mbrubeck> ejpbruel: locally, or on the buildbot machines?
2364. # [19:20] <ejpbruel> mbrubeck: locally
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2366. # [19:21] <mbrubeck> ejpbruel: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Running_automated_tests has the run-down
2367. # [19:21] <ejpbruel> mrbrubeck: thanks!
2368. # [19:22] <mbrubeck> There's not a single command to run all tests; you'll have to run down the list from that page.
2369. # [19:22] <ejpbruel> thats not a problem :)
2370. # [19:22] <ejpbruel> i
2371. # [19:22] <ejpbruel> i just want to make sure the tests run locally before putting up a patch for r?
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2374. # [19:24] <myk> ejpbruel: alternately, use the tryserver!
2375. # [19:24] <jwir3> during reflow, what is the difference between nsHTMLReflowState::availableHeight/availableWidth, and nsHTMLReflowState::ComputedHeight()/ComputedWidth()?
2376. # [19:25] <myk> ejpbruel: it'll run all the tests for you, and on all platforms in case there's a chance your change affects a platform for which you don't have your own test machine
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2379. # [19:26] <ekr> Is there a standard publish/subscribe interface floating around the mozilla codebase somewhere? I'm thinking something like signals/slots
2380. # [19:26] * Ms2ger wonders what's on khuey's whiteboard
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2382. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> cpeterson, that was out of scope for the bug that implemented the hook
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2384. # [19:27] <cpeterson> Ms2ger, good point. I was just asking in general.
2385. # [19:27] <dholbert> jwir3, ComputedHeight/Width is directly from the 'width'/'height' properties on the element (with percentages resolved etc)
2386. # [19:27] <Ms2ger> Feel free to try to get consensus on .platform :)
2387. # [19:28] <dholbert> jwir3, whereas availableWidth/Height is the space that the parent has available for us (which could be e.g. unconstrained)
2388. # [19:28] <@smaug> ekr: nothing like QT signals/slots
2389. # [19:28] <@smaug> but generic notification mechanism, yes
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2391. # [19:28] <ekr> smaug: ok, can you point me at them? I can take a look and try to see if they make sense for what I need
2392. # [19:28] <@smaug> ekr: nsIObserverService
2393. # [19:28] <ekr> Good. Thanks
2394. # [19:28] <jwir3> dholbert: Hm, so if I want to detect whether or not a frame has width or max-width specified in css, I'd use ComputedWidth()?
2395. # [19:29] <dholbert> jwir3, ComptuedWidth has max-width already taken into consideration, IIRC
2396. # [19:29] <dholbert> jwir3, (not that that answers your question)
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2398. # [19:29] <ekr> smaug: is the performance on this reasonable enough that I could use it for, e.g., packet delivery/readability?
2399. # [19:29] <dholbert> jwir3, what do you mean "specified in CSS"? just non-auto?
2400. # [19:29] <jwir3> dholbert: yes.
2401. # [19:29] <dholbert> jwir3, you'd want to actually use GetStylePosition()->mWidth or whatever, I think
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2403. # [19:30] <jwir3> mm. ok
2404. # [19:30] <jwir3> dholbert: cool, thanks.
2405. # [19:30] <@smaug> ekr: which packet delivery?
2406. # [19:30] <@smaug> and what readability ?
2407. # [19:30] <dholbert> that should give you a nsStyleCoord which would have GetUnit() == eStyleUnit_Auto or something like that
2408. # [19:30] <dholbert> (jwir3, ^)
2409. # [19:30] <dholbert> jwir3, np!
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2411. # [19:32] <ekr> smaug: the specific context here is interfacing the media processing engine to the network stack.
2412. # [19:32] <@bz> jwir3: what are you actually trying to detect?
2413. # [19:32] <ekr> so by packets I mean RTP.
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2415. # [19:33] <@smaug> hmm, necko has all sorts of notifications, I think
2416. # [19:33] <@smaug> but I doubt they are good for that kind of thing
2417. # [19:33] <jwir3> bz: In nsColumnSetFrame::ChooseColumnStrategy(), I'm trying to determine if a column set frame has a specified max-width or width AND a specified max-height or height (because then I need to balance columns, regardless of what is specified in column-fill)
2418. # [19:33] <ekr> ok, I'll dig around
2419. # [19:33] <jwir3> in order to properly add overflow columns
2420. # [19:34] <@smaug> ekr: you probably want to ask jduell / mayhemer__ / bz
2421. # [19:34] <@bz> jwir3: is that stuff based on specified value or computed value?
2422. # [19:34] <@bz> jwir3: what does the spec actually say?
2423. # [19:34] <mayhemer__> ekr: yes?
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2425. # [19:35] <jwir3> bz: it just says "a declaration that constrains the column height (e.g., using ‘height’ or ‘max-height’). In this case, additional column boxes are created in the inline direction "
2426. # [19:35] <jwir3> bz: so, I think it's based on the specified value
2427. # [19:35] <@bz> so...
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2429. # [19:35] <@bz> if you have "height: 50%"
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2431. # [19:35] <@bz> but parent has height:auto
2432. # [19:36] <ekr> mayhemer__: I'm working on the RTCWEB transport subsystem and I'm going to need to thread together the networking stack (DTLS, ICE) and the WebRTC A/V processing stack. This means that naturally lower layers are going to want to notify upper layers that a packet has arrived and that they should process it.
2433. # [19:36] <@bz> then per spec the computed value is "auto"
2434. # [19:36] <ekr> I'm wondering if there is some standard set of mechanisms for this sort of thing.
2435. # [19:36] <@bz> though that may not be what we store in the style struct....
2436. # [19:36] <@bz> (there's some discussion about what the exact computed value should be)
2437. # [19:36] <jwir3> oh
2438. # [19:37] <@bz> in any case, if you have a % height but the parent has height auto, then the % height is certainly ignored when rendering
2439. # [19:37] <ekr> signals/slots would be an example of such a mechanism
2440. # [19:37] <@bz> (modulo quirks mode)
2441. # [19:37] <@bz> this is in reflow?
2442. # [19:37] <jwir3> bz: yes
2443. # [19:37] <@bz> it might be best to just check the mComputedHeight on the reflow state
2444. # [19:37] <@bz> and the mComputedMaxHeight
2445. # [19:38] <jwir3> ok
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2448. # [19:39] <jwir3> bz: I was doing that originally, but for some reason, it was giving me a aReflowState.mComputedWidth != NS_INTRINSICSIZE, even when the width wasn't specified in either an element or its parents...
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2450. # [19:39] <@bz> well
2451. # [19:40] <@bz> you can't do that for width
2452. # [19:40] <@bz> just for height
2453. # [19:40] <jwir3> ah
2454. # [19:40] <@bz> for width, you have a problem
2455. # [19:40] <@bz> because widths are input, recall?
2456. # [19:40] <@bz> so when you enter reflow you _always_ have a computed width
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2458. # [19:40] <jwir3> ahh
2459. # [19:40] <@bz> in terms of mComputedWidth
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2461. # [19:40] <@bz> which is really the used width, sorta
2462. # [19:41] <@bz> you quoted what the spec says about height above
2463. # [19:41] <@bz> what does it say about width?
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2466. # [19:42] <mayhemer__> ekr: are you getitng my private messages?
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2470. # [19:44] <jwir3> bz: hm, it doesn't really specify anything about width wrt to overflow.
2471. # [19:45] <jwir3> bz: but, in order for a multicol element to have overflow, it needs to have constrained width and height.
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2473. # [19:45] <jwir3> bz: or constrained number of columns and constrained height
2474. # [19:46] <@bz> well
2475. # [19:46] <@bz> the width is always "constrained"
2476. # [19:46] <@bz> in that you determine it before laying out your kids
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2478. # [19:46] <@bz> no?
2479. # [19:46] <nemo> heh. webglstats.com - Android - 93.3% no webgl. Android+Firefox? 1.7% no webgl.
2480. # [19:47] <@bz> nemo: not surprising
2481. # [19:47] <nemo> probably I pushed up that 1.7% slightly testing the fact that Firefox nightlies have no webgl on my Acer A500
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2484. # [19:48] <jwir3> bz: well, maybe I'm misinterpreting. if we have width: auto and a constrained height, is it possible to have overflow?
2485. # [19:48] <nemo> huh. I wonder why Mac has so many more WebGL users still without access to floating point textures. Linux, could just be people stuck on distro builds. But OSX should be autoupdating
2486. # [19:49] <nemo> s/WebGL users/WebGL Firefox users/
2487. # [19:49] <mkaply> This compile error is for DirectX 10, isn't it?
2488. # [19:49] <mkaply> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1577197
2489. # [19:49] <@bz> jwir3: for the columns case specifically, or for a general block?
2490. # [19:49] <@bz> jwir3: for a general block, if width:auto and height is constrained you will overflow vertically
2491. # [19:50] <@bz> jwir3: if the text is too long
2492. # [19:50] <mkaply> actually, no, checking for checking for posix_fallocate
2493. # [19:51] <jwir3> bz: hm, no I'm thinking specifically for the columns case. In that case, the columns should fill in the inline direction after overflowing in the block direction.
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2495. # [19:51] <@bz> jwir3: and they'll overflow the block horizontally, then
2496. # [19:52] <jwir3> bz: but if the width isn't specified, won't it just continue to grow?
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2499. # [19:53] <nemo> huh. webglstats.com says I don't have pointerlock
2500. # [19:53] <nemo> I thought that had been added to firefox nightlies...
2501. # [19:53] * nemo checks hacks.mozilla.org again
2502. # [19:53] <@bz> jwir3: no
2503. # [19:53] <@bz> jwir3: width will be computed to the parent width
2504. # [19:54] <@bz> jwir3: by default
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2506. # [19:54] <@bz> jwir3: lemme give you a spec link
2507. # [19:54] <jwir3> bz: ok
2508. # [19:54] <@bz> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#Computing_widths_and_margins
2509. # [19:54] <@bz> e.g. 10.3.3
2510. # [19:54] <@bz> note that the width does not depend on the kids
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2513. # [19:55] <mbrubeck> nemo: Looks like webglstats.com needs to be updated; it is looking for navigator.pointer.lock instead of document.(moz|webkit)RequestPointerLock
2514. # [19:55] <@bz> Compare to 10.6.3 (height for blocks in normal flow), which does depedn on kids
2515. # [19:55] <@bz> er, depend
2516. # [19:55] <nemo> mbrubeck: ahhah
2517. # [19:55] <jwir3> bz: what does "non-replaced" mean in this context?
2518. # [19:56] <@bz> jwir3: "renders its kids"
2519. # [19:56] <jwir3> oh ok
2520. # [19:56] <@bz> jwir3: a replaced block would be <img style="display: block">
2521. # [19:56] <bjacob> mbrubeck: reported to the maintainer
2522. # [19:56] <jwir3> oh ok
2523. # [19:56] <mbrubeck> thanks, bjacob!
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2525. # [19:57] <jwir3> bz: ok, I think I understand. thank you.
2526. # [19:57] <jwir3> bz: I'll read through this and see if I have more questions. ;)
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2528. # [19:57] <@bz> jwir3: sounds good
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2530. # [19:58] <taras> bz: got time to talk about timeouts and stuff?
2531. # [19:59] <@bz> taras: ok
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2533. # [20:00] <taras> bz: so first thing, i think that data shows we need to suspend tabs
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2535. # [20:00] <taras> slow them down until they are effectively suspended(depending on activity)
2536. # [20:00] <@bz> when you say "suspend"
2537. # [20:00] <beltzner> jst, jprmc: if I was looking to connect someone from DropBox to someone on the Gecko team, who'd be best?
2538. # [20:01] <@bz> what do you mean?
2539. # [20:01] <@bz> stop firing timeouts in them altogether?
2540. # [20:01] <taras> bz: i mean unload the page via session-restore.we need this to improve footprint anyway
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2543. # [20:02] <@bz> ok
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2545. # [20:02] <taras> but yeah, we'd effectively stop timeouts from firing before we get there
2546. # [20:02] <jst> beltzner: depends on what the issues are, but I could be a point of contact and funnel them the right way if I'm not it
2547. # [20:02] <@bz> so this is after a page has been in the background for a while
2548. # [20:02] <taras> yeah
2549. # [20:02] <@bz> That seems somewhat reasonable to me
2550. # [20:03] <taras> before that we need to do some sort of exponential timeout decay
2551. # [20:03] <@bz> (except insofar as session store is datalossy, of course....)
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2553. # [20:03] <beltzner> jst: mostly they're looking to ensure that they can support whatever data format(s) end up being used by web application developers; happy to connect the guy with you and let him know it might be redirected
2554. # [20:03] <@bz> exponential timeout decay is harder
2555. # [20:03] <taras> yeah there are some tricky things there..but lets ignore them
2556. # [20:03] <beltzner> thanks!
2557. # [20:03] <@bz> in terms of not breaking the web
2558. # [20:03] <jst> beltzner: np
2559. # [20:03] <@bz> though if the decay constant is smaller than the one for refresh driver it might be ok
2560. # [20:03] <@bz> as in, if it decays slowly enough
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2562. # [20:04] <taras> bz: i'm not sure, it basically models a really overloaded computer
2563. # [20:04] <@bz> over a course of minutes to tens of minutes, not seconds
2564. # [20:04] <taras> yeah
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2566. # [20:04] <@bz> fwiw
2567. # [20:04] <@bsmedberg> gabor: in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=615654&action=edit what is the difference between this new macro and NS_IMPL_QUERY_BODY_AMBIGUOUS?
2568. # [20:05] <@bz> it doesn't matter what it models
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2570. # [20:05] <@bz> or how reasonable the behavior is
2571. # [20:05] <@bz> what matters is:
2572. # [20:05] <@bz> 1) Does it break sites from the user's point of view?
2573. # [20:05] <@bz> 2) If so, how do we weigh that against the benefits?
2574. # [20:05] <taras> so in my profile
2575. # [20:05] <@bz> (obviously sane behaviors or models that minimize #1 are a plus, but sites can break on totally sane behavior)
2576. # [20:05] <taras> biggest sources of trouble
2577. # [20:06] <taras> are etherpad(by far), twitter and zimbra
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2579. # [20:06] <taras> conceptually they would just poll the network less often
2580. # [20:06] <taras> (and speed up if the user checks them out)
2581. # [20:06] <taras> and you'd run whatever was qued up when switching to the tab
2582. # [20:07] <taras> so it should catch up fairly quickly
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2585. # [20:07] <@bz> so the problem are sites that implement some sort of delay timers with setTimeout
2586. # [20:07] <@bz> for polling, throttling is not a problem
2587. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> gkw, but I wanted fatal assertions in 1.9.1!
2588. # [20:07] <@bz> for sites that want to delay for 2 mins by running a timer every 500ms 240 times....
2589. # [20:07] <@bz> throttling totally changes behavior
2590. # [20:07] <gkw> Ms2ger: 1.9.1 is... ancient
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2592. # [20:07] <gkw> and i wanted to clear my request queue anywayz
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2597. # [20:09] <@bz> (yes, those sites are slightly broken anyway because they assume timers fire kinda on time)
2598. # [20:09] <taras> right
2599. # [20:09] <taras> anyway, it feels like we are already a timeout scheduler
2600. # [20:09] <@bz> sure
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2603. # [20:10] <taras> we need to act like one :)
2604. # [20:10] <taras> so the other thing we need
2605. # [20:10] <prazuber> hi, does anyone know is there a way to simulate a click on non-input elements?
2606. # [20:10] <taras> is to jump the queue
2607. # [20:10] <taras> based on chrome/content + tab activity
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2610. # [20:11] <taras> ie active tabs or chrome functions should take priority over background tabs..they do not atm
2611. # [20:11] <taras> (not that i noticed)
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2618. # [20:13] <@bz> taras: we don't do global nsITimer scheduling, you mean?
2619. # [20:13] <Mossop> What kind of preprocessor does Makefile.in go through?
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2621. # [20:14] <rillian_lime> Mossop: autoconf?
2622. # [20:14] <@bz> taras: if we actually had sane concepts of per-page event queues
2623. # [20:14] <@bz> taras: this would not be too bad
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2625. # [20:14] <@bz> taras: but right now we only have one event loop
2626. # [20:14] <taras> yeah :)
2627. # [20:14] <rillian_lime> @VARIABLE@ gets expanded based on the AC_SUBST(VARIABLE) values in configure.in
2628. # [20:14] <@bz> taras: the right way to fix this is to have per-page event loops, imho
2629. # [20:14] <taras> bz: that's exactly where we need to get
2630. # [20:14] <Mossop> rillian_lime: What expands things like #ifdef?
2631. # [20:14] <taras> well
2632. # [20:14] <@bz> taras: we need that anyway to implement some parts of html5
2633. # [20:15] <rillian_lime> Mossop: gnu make
2634. # [20:15] <taras> bz: per-page event queues
2635. # [20:15] <taras> not sure about loops
2636. # [20:15] <@bz> taras: or something that can look like per-page event queues
2637. # [20:15] <@bz> sure
2638. # [20:15] <rillian_lime> Mossop: same with the include directives
2639. # [20:15] <@bz> queues
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2641. # [20:15] <@bz> in fact we need several queues per page
2642. # [20:15] <@bz> again, to implement html5 correctly
2643. # [20:15] <rillian_lime> Mossop: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Conditional-Syntax
2644. # [20:15] <taras> or a priority queue?
2645. # [20:15] * taras is guessing
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2647. # [20:16] <Mossop> rillian_lime: Why do some have # at the start and some don't? That doc suggests they shouldn't
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2650. # [20:17] <taras> bz: ok i'll file a bug on this... i think having event queues is a fundamental building block for this
2651. # [20:18] <@bz> taras: priority queue is not good enough for html5 spec, really
2652. # [20:18] <@bz> taras: what that requires is the ability to suspend some, but not all, of the event queues associated to a page
2653. # [20:18] <gabor> bsmedberg: the NS_GET_IID part... so in the ambigous the same interface might be implemented by more than one other interfaces/subclasses in the new macro, the interface we cast implements isupports by two sub interfaces
2654. # [20:18] <@bz> taras: again, this can be emulated in all sorts of ways even with a single queue of course
2655. # [20:18] <@khuey> gabor: pong
2656. # [20:18] <taras> bz: cool, so is there a bug on this, or should i still file one?
2657. # [20:19] <taras> bz: out of curiosity which html functionality requires this?
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2662. # [20:19] <gabor> khuey: so I was wondering since you work on windows as well... how do you deal with the problem that in xpconnect stuff like JSObject and JSString are not defined while debugging?
2663. # [20:20] <@bz> taras: not sure offhand about existing bugs
2664. # [20:20] <taras> ok, i'll file
2665. # [20:20] <@bz> taras: alert, confirm, prompt, sync XHR, showModalDialog, etc
2666. # [20:20] <taras> hmm
2667. # [20:20] <rillian_lime> Mossop: I assumed your '#' was a typo. that's not make (or autoconf) syntax. It's a comment. example?
2668. # [20:20] <taras> to do event filtering
2669. # [20:20] <taras> gotcha
2670. # [20:20] <@khuey> gabor: very painfully
2671. # [20:20] <@bz> taras: right
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2673. # [20:20] <taras> thanks bz, that helped a lot
2674. # [20:21] <@bz> no problem
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2677. # [20:22] <gabor> khuey: :))) I was thinking about some solution for windows to ease the pain instead of switching to gdb... one solution could be to hack visual studio, I did it once, for custom std container classes...
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2679. # [20:23] <gabor> gabor: the other is that I simply build things for debugging with including everything and their grandmother...
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2681. # [20:23] <gabor> s/gabor/khuey
2682. # [20:23] <gabor> khuey: but if you have developped any technique, I would be glad to learn about it
2683. # [20:23] <rillian_lime> Mossop: in the spot checks I've looked at, '#if*' is a commented-out gnu make conditional
2684. # [20:24] <@khuey> gabor: I have not, unfortunately
2685. # [20:24] <@khuey> usually its not too much of a problem for me
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2687. # [20:24] <Ms2ger> dolske, that's exactly the reasoning, afaict
2688. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> Whether that's fair or helpful, that's up to you
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2694. # [20:27] <taras> janv: ping
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2697. # [20:27] <janv> taras: pong
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2700. # [20:28] <taras> janv: how is 715378 going?
2701. # [20:28] <janv> ah
2702. # [20:29] <janv> taras: I was finishing work on the filehandle stuff
2703. # [20:29] <taras> ok good
2704. # [20:29] <taras> i think we need to morph that bug a bit
2705. # [20:29] <taras> the set of bugs
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2707. # [20:29] <janv> taras: I was told to implement some kind of JS accounting
2708. # [20:29] <taras> janv: see my discussion with bz above
2709. # [20:30] <janv> ok
2710. # [20:30] <taras> we need separate event queues
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2712. # [20:30] <taras> to do anything useful
2713. # [20:30] <taras> so might as well start there
2714. # [20:30] <janv> hmm
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2716. # [20:31] <janv> taras: reading the discussion above ...
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2728. # [20:36] <janv> taras: so we're going to implement OS like features ? :)
2729. # [20:36] <taras> we are the OS
2730. # [20:36] <janv> taras: it sounds like a scheduler
2731. # [20:36] <whimboo> smaug: shall I do a bisect on bug 746644?
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2733. # [20:36] <janv> ok
2734. # [20:36] <taras> janv: yeah, we need a block layer for cache, indexeddb too :)
2735. # [20:37] <taras> got our own memory management, ui ..what else is there in an os :)
2736. # [20:37] <janv> sure
2737. # [20:37] <@smaug> whimboo: that would be good. Though, perhaps bz notices something immediately
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2740. # [20:37] <janv> taras: but giving a priority to tabs is something new
2741. # [20:37] <whimboo> smaug: oh k. so as I have seen it could be something in nsAString_internal
2742. # [20:37] <janv> well
2743. # [20:37] <whimboo> smaug: but not sure if i'm on the right track
2744. # [20:38] <whimboo> smaug: so let me know if you need me
2745. # [20:38] <taras> janv: there is not much point in cost accounting
2746. # [20:38] <taras> if we can't do anything useful with that
2747. # [20:39] <@smaug> whimboo: well, bisect would be good
2748. # [20:39] <taras> having queues will let us do this better
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2750. # [20:39] <@smaug> whimboo: someone needs to do that at some point anyway
2751. # [20:39] <janv> taras: I just wanted to ask
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2757. # [20:39] <whimboo> smaug: k, so i will start with it now
2758. # [20:39] <taras> janv: anyway, decide among yourselfs who should do this
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2760. # [20:40] <taras> just wanted to give you a headsup
2761. # [20:40] <janv> ok
2762. # [20:40] <janv> jst: did you follow the discussion with taras ?
2763. # [20:40] <taras> janv: jons is on 715376
2764. # [20:40] <taras> which is kind of the same thing, just poorly specified
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2766. # [20:41] <janv> jst: he basicaly says, we don't need the JS accounting for now
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2768. # [20:41] <taras> janv: i'm saying cost accounting is not super useful with a queue, so if we can use development resources to speed that up instead
2769. # [20:42] <taras> it makes more sense
2770. # [20:42] <taras> s/with/without/
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2773. # [20:42] <janv> taras: ok, I'll discuss it with jst when he is available
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2777. # [20:47] <ddahl> dria: is there a link to the project page creation tool on the wiki? search seems to fail me
2778. # [20:48] <dria> you mean like a feature page?
2779. # [20:48] <dria> ddahl: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Create_new
2780. # [20:48] <ddahl> dria: correct, i need to make a new one
2781. # [20:48] <ddahl> dria: thx!
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2783. # [20:48] <dria> :)
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2789. # [20:50] <paul> Do we know how much cost "ineficient" selectors in web pages? How much they impact the perforance? Do we have any data?
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2792. # [20:50] <paul> Also, there's this document: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/Writing_Efficient_CSS - which is 12 years old. Is it still relevant?
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2794. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> paul, nothing much changed
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2796. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> And it was last modified today
2797. # [20:52] <paul> Ms2ger: look at the history
2798. # [20:52] <paul> Ms2ger: https://developer.mozilla.org/index.php?title=en/CSS/Writing_Efficient_CSS&action=history
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2800. # [20:54] <Ms2ger> Not sure why Paul Irish thinks that it's outdated
2801. # [20:54] <Ms2ger> If he doesn't anything to back up that claim, that's just trolling, imo
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2804. # [20:55] <paul> Ms2ger: no no - he sent me a message - he just wants to understand if the page is still accurate
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2806. # [20:55] <Ms2ger> Then he should review it and point out if anything is wrong
2807. # [20:56] <paul> Ms2ger: he's asking if there are ways to profile the performance of selectors
2808. # [20:56] <jduell> do we have any standard way in JS of converting an nsresult from an int into a human-readable string like 'NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED'?
2809. # [20:57] <biesi> jduell, does Components.results[yourint] work?
2810. # [20:57] <Ms2ger> paul, sure, "ask dbaron"
2811. # [20:57] * @bsmedberg doubts is
2812. # [20:57] <@bsmedberg> it
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2814. # [20:57] <paul> Ms2ger: I will
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2817. # [20:58] <jduell> biesi: nope
2818. # [20:59] <Mook_as> jduell: [s for (s in Components.results) if (Components.results[s] == Components.results.NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)][0] ? (obviously, use your actual number...)
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2879. # [21:35] <nemo> ugh. now that hide http is failing even if I do ctrl-z to restore the original URL. besides. I'd only deleted the anchor portion
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2891. # [21:47] <philor> hmm, click-to-play and a leak, that sounds awfully familiar
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2912. # [22:01] <mcot> qq
2913. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> rr
2914. # [22:01] <mcot> what would be the EventTarget for the window load event
2915. # [22:02] <mcot> nsCOMPtr<nsPIDOMWindow> doc(do_QueryInterface(eventTarget)); seems to fail
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2923. # [22:03] <gavin> "doc" is a weird name for an nsPIDOMWindow :)
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2925. # [22:04] <mcot> haha
2926. # [22:04] <Ms2ger> That must be it!
2927. # [22:04] <mcot> I changed the code to nsIDocument
2928. # [22:04] <mcot> that seems to work
2929. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> Then eventTarget is a document, and not a window, I guess
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2931. # [22:05] <mcot> yah that seems odd since the call is something like window.addEventListener("load"....
2932. # [22:05] <@smaug> mcot: load event is dispatched to window, but target is document
2933. # [22:05] <@smaug> blame history
2934. # [22:05] <mcot> cool cool
2935. # [22:05] <mcot> thanks
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2951. # [22:11] <@bz> yeah
2952. # [22:12] <@bz> target vs currenTarget, fwiw
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2972. # [22:19] <bonnie_> helloo anyone
2973. # [22:20] <bonnie_> i managed to mess up my local mercurial repository
2974. # [22:20] <bonnie_> and well need some help
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2978. # [22:22] <@smaug> bonnie_: in which way did you mess it up?
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2980. # [22:22] <bonnie_> ahhaha
2981. # [22:22] <bonnie_> ok so i managed to create changesets that i didnt merge with the copy of mercurial central
2982. # [22:22] <@smaug> if you tell the problem, someone might be able to help ;)
2983. # [22:22] <bonnie_> did a partial merge
2984. # [22:22] <bonnie_> hunks failed
2985. # [22:22] <bonnie_> did a rollback
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2987. # [22:23] <bonnie_> for the last transaction
2988. # [22:23] <bonnie_> but still said i have local changes
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2990. # [22:23] <bonnie_> then hg added two files
2991. # [22:23] <bonnie_> and well hg commit those files
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2993. # [22:23] <bonnie_> so now i have a tip changeset that includes the broken merge
2994. # [22:24] <bonnie_> i want to do a diff between my first changeset which i have and my 3rd last changeset that includes the two files that i added which are at the tip
2995. # [22:24] <bonnie_> smaug: does this make sense
2996. # [22:25] <bonnie_> oh sorry the 3rd last changeset does not include the added files which are at the tip
2997. # [22:25] <@smaug> so for the diff, couldn't you just do hg diff -r oldchangset -r newerchangeset
2998. # [22:26] <bonnie_> well the problem is that the i need a diff between changeset lets say 0 to changeset 11 and the tip which has the files added
2999. # [22:26] <bonnie_> but the problem is that the tip also has the committed broken merge
3000. # [22:26] <bonnie_> i had my doubts when i was hitting commit!
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3002. # [22:27] <bonnie_> the tip has the broken merge + the files added
3003. # [22:27] <bonnie_> i just want the files added , i do not want the broken merge
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3005. # [22:27] <sfink> can you keep your added files on the side, update to back before the merge, blow away everything that happened, and re-add the files?
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3007. # [22:28] <bonnie_> sfink that sort of sounds ok but how do i keep my added files on the side?
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3009. # [22:28] <sfink> copy them somewhere safe?
3010. # [22:28] <bonnie_> ah ok
3011. # [22:28] <bonnie_> i thought it was something special with mercurial
3012. # [22:28] <bonnie_> i can do that
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3014. # [22:29] <bonnie_> sfink and then do i just do some sort of a revert to the last changeset that i want?
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3016. # [22:29] <sfink> so cp, then hg update -r (premerge) -C, hg strip 'roots(outgoing())', cp back, hg add, ...
3017. # [22:29] <sfink> are you using mq, btw?
3018. # [22:30] <bonnie_> sfink yes i am
3019. # [22:30] <sfink> any patches applied?
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3021. # [22:31] <bonnie_> sfink nope no patches applied
3022. # [22:31] <sfink> ok, then I think you should be ok. You might want to copy your whole checkout as a backup first, though
3023. # [22:32] <bonnie_> alrighty will do
3024. # [22:32] <bonnie_> smaug sfink thanks will try this out
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3029. # [22:33] <bonnie_> smaug sfink will let you know how i go
3030. # [22:33] <sfink> ok
3031. # [22:33] <sfink> good luck
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3033. # [22:34] <bonnie_> thanks
3034. # [22:35] <bonnie_> smaug: your html serialisation is going to have to wait a little, i'm just trying to create a diff for a review and get my mercurial fixed up.
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3037. # [22:35] <@bsmedberg> cjones: ping
3038. # [22:36] <sfink> actually, if you don't have any committed changes, you care about and you're making a backup anyway, why not just re-clone? Or clone -r (premerge) (corrupted-repo)?
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3040. # [22:36] <edmorley> ehsan|extremely-busy: ah, you beat me to the merge :-)
3041. # [22:36] <ehsan|extremely-busy> :)
3042. # [22:37] <edmorley> ehsan|extremely-busy: want me to mark the bugs?
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3045. # [22:37] <@smaug> bonnie_: looks like someone else started to look at it
3046. # [22:37] <ehsan|extremely-busy> edmorley: already done
3047. # [22:37] <@smaug> jdm I think
3048. # [22:37] <bonnie_> alrighty no worries then
3049. # [22:38] <edmorley> ehsan|extremely-busy: cool, back to starring (mounir) :-)
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3052. # [22:40] <Ms2ger> edmorley, slacker ;)
3053. # [22:40] <ehsan|extremely-busy> edmorley: I'd appreciate if you can keep an eye on birch until next week (if you get a chance)
3054. # [22:41] <bonnie_> sfink: i think the clone -r (premerge) of the corrupted repo does sound good. esp if i'm just going to add the new files again
3055. # [22:41] <bonnie_> sfink: i'll try that out first.
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3058. # [22:43] <edmorley> ehsan|extremely-busy: sure, I've had it open this morning, will leave it in an app tab for the next week
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3061. # [22:46] <Ms2ger> "15-Year-Old Arrested For Hacking 259 Companies"
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3063. # [22:46] <Ms2ger> Alex was younger than that, right?
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3067. # [22:49] <ehsan|extremely-busy> edmorley: thanks
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3073. # [22:51] <taras> Ms2ger: guess he got busted when he overflowed
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3078. # [22:52] <Ms2ger> taras, of course, /. pointed out he had to be a script kiddie, because a real hacker would've gone for 256
3079. # [22:52] <edmorley> heh
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3083. # [22:54] <gavin> this "The character encoding of the HTML document was not declared" error is pretty obnoxious
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3085. # [22:55] <Ms2ger> gavin, you're doing it wrong :)
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3088. # [22:55] <mbrubeck> I was 15 years old when http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960221&slug=2315184 happened
3089. # [22:55] <gavin> Ms2ger: I'm not going to fix my tests's use of data:text/html,<body> just to work around it
3090. # [22:56] <Ms2ger> mbrubeck, you admit?
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3092. # [22:56] <mbrubeck> umm... no comment. :)
3093. # [22:56] <WG9s> mbrubeck: so I guess the news that Dick Clark died means more to me than to you?
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3099. # [22:58] <gavin> Ms2ger: also given that my document _does_ contain only ASCII, there's really nothing wrong with it
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3102. # [22:58] <Ms2ger> It is when you add non-ASCII
3103. # [22:58] <gavin> specualtive spammy warnings are bad
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3105. # [22:59] <@smaug> gavin: Bug 672453
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3123. # [23:08] <edmorley> ehsan|extremely-busy: backout needed on birch - I'm cloning the repo now, but may be a little bit (even with the cloning local repos trick)
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3126. # [23:09] <sewardj> hurley: you've been hacking around the disk cache recently?
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3130. # [23:10] <ehsan|extremely-busy> edmorley: I'll take care of it
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3140. # [23:14] <@bz> philor: make them about "incinerating" too
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3144. # [23:15] <sewardj> !seen mcmanus
3145. # [23:15] <firebot> mcmanus was last seen 4 weeks, 1 day, 58 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying 'mbrubeck unless the mochi's still download the safe browsing stuff in the background.. do they do that? (from google)' in #developers.
3146. # [23:15] * WG9s wonders if these birch issues are political (John Birch Society)?
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3157. # [23:22] <gps> is there any kind of standard place where test-only JS components/modules can be installed to? I have a bunch of mock types that are useful by common modules and am finding including them as "head" files in xpcshell.ini to be quite annoying
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3161. # [23:23] <gps> I'd like to just Cu.import("resource://testing/foo.js") or something
3162. # [23:24] <gps> without having to worry about hooking up all the resource:// registration plumbing in every project that needs them
3163. # [23:25] <hurley> sewardj: here and there, yes. been spending more of my recent time on other networking stuff, tho. w hy?
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3165. # [23:26] <@smaug> oh, we have some new downloads button
3166. # [23:26] <@smaug> which opens ugly looking popup :(
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3169. # [23:26] <sewardj> hurley: mistake, i got you mixed up with nsHttpConnection so to speak
3170. # [23:27] <hurley> sewardj: ah, no worries. we do look quite a lot alike :)
3171. # [23:27] <sewardj> hurley: bug 746731 if it helps
3172. # [23:27] <@bz> bjacob: ping
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3174. # [23:28] <bjacob> bz: pong
3175. # [23:28] <@bz> bjacob: GetShaderParameter
3176. # [23:28] <@bz> 4789 default:
3177. # [23:28] <@bz> 4790 return NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED;
3178. # [23:28] <@bz> bjacob: I assume that should be an ErrorInvalidEnumInfo ?
3179. # [23:29] <bjacob> bz: that's a bug indeed. yes, should be that instead
3180. # [23:29] <@bz> bjacob: and return null to JS, I assume?
3181. # [23:29] * @bz can't think of anything else it could do
3182. # [23:30] <bjacob> bz: that i absolutely dont know. null or undefined?
3183. # [23:30] <bjacob> i dont know how we'd return undefined though, null seems easier
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3185. # [23:30] <bjacob> and we do that elsewhere
3186. # [23:30] <@bz> bjacob: returning undefined is easy
3187. # [23:31] <@bz> bjacob: but yes, null would be consistent with other code
3188. # [23:31] <bjacob> let's do that
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3190. # [23:31] <bjacob> bz: we need the spec to be tightened to say that getters return null on error cases
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3196. # [23:33] <@bz> bjacob: yeah
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3199. # [23:34] <@bz> bjacob: another question, while you're here
3200. # [23:34] <@bz> bjacob: GetProgramInfoLog
3201. # [23:34] <@bz> 2684 GLint k = -1;
3202. # [23:34] <@bz> 2685 gl->fGetProgramiv(progname, LOCAL_GL_INFO_LOG_LENGTH, &k);
3203. # [23:34] <@bz> 2686 if (k == -1)
3204. # [23:34] <@bz> 2687 return NS_ERROR_FAILURE; // XXX GL error? shouldn't happen!
3205. # [23:34] <bjacob> bz: that is stupid indeed
3206. # [23:35] <@bz> I can keep that behavior
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3208. # [23:35] <@bz> or do something else.
3209. # [23:35] <@bz> let me know. ;)
3210. # [23:35] <@bz> This is like the first GL function legitimately throwing. ;)
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3212. # [23:35] <bjacob> bz: keep it that way, it's not an important function anyway (not really used in production code)
3213. # [23:35] <@bz> ok
3214. # [23:35] <bjacob> we can fix that later
3215. # [23:36] <bjacob> bz: if you want, file a bug
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3217. # [23:36] <@bz> ok
3218. # [23:36] <bjacob> it's not clear what to do in this case, as indeed that should never happen
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3220. # [23:36] <bjacob> maybe the exception is not that stupid after all
3221. # [23:37] <bjacob> we should specify in webgl spec that this function may generate OUT_OF_MEMORY and do that in this case, i think
3222. # [23:37] <@bz> bug filed
3223. # [23:37] <bjacob> hm
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3225. # [23:38] <bjacob> thanks
3226. # [23:38] * @bz goes back to sorting through the array goop
3227. # [23:38] <@bz> no problem
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3231. # [23:39] <@smaug> um, so when did this new download thing land?
3232. # [23:39] <gavin> yesterday, I think
3233. # [23:40] <@smaug> quite late in the cycle
3234. # [23:40] <@smaug> plenty of bugs to fix
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3236. # [23:40] <gavin> that's what the cycles are for!
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3239. # [23:40] <@bz_away> dinnertime
3240. # [23:40] <@smaug> usually you want major things to land early in the cycle
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3250. # [23:45] <mak> smaug: it won't be enabled in aurora.
3251. # [23:45] <@smaug> ah
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3253. # [23:45] <@smaug> mak: then it makes sense
3254. # [23:45] <mak> smaug: and it's enabled in nightly cause we need people to file bugs, people not ready to use half-done stuff should likely not be using nightly :)
3255. # [23:45] <Callek> mak: new download thing?
3256. # [23:45] <Callek> whatd I miss
3257. # [23:46] <mak> Callek: the new panel interface
3258. # [23:46] <Callek> mak: planning wiki page?
3259. # [23:46] <@smaug> I like it, it is just a bit buggy and ugly still
3260. # [23:46] <Callek> or blog post or design doc
3261. # [23:46] <mak> Callek: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features/Panel_based_download_window
3262. # [23:47] <mak> smaug: yes it is, but it's a large change, so delaying it was just delaying bug fixes
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3265. # [23:47] <mak> smaug: btw, you can disable it and use the old ui, by flipping a pref
3266. # [23:47] <@smaug> mak: I think I'll try to use it for some time to find bugs
3267. # [23:48] <mak> we have a work week next week and we'll try to go through bugs and prioritize
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3270. # [23:48] <WG9s> Ah so if it has a lot of issues the pref can be flipped back to the old UI for Aurora.
3271. # [23:49] <mak> smaug: sure, just mark filed bugs as blocking bug 564934 (otherwise I'll do when I see bugmail incoming)
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3274. # [23:49] <mak> WG9s: Aurora will already have the pref flipped back and use the old UI.
3275. # [23:49] <mak> that was the plan from the beginning
3276. # [23:50] <mak> and part of the rapid release process
3277. # [23:50] <WG9s> OK I think that is what smaug was concerned about
3278. # [23:50] <mak> features are disabled till they meet our quality standard
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3282. # [23:50] <mak> no worries, I'm happy to answer questions :)
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3286. # [23:51] <timeless> mak: fwiw, i really like the new downloads thing
3287. # [23:51] <gaston> aaargh 12.àb5 build with systemwide cairo fails
3288. # [23:52] <timeless> mak: one problem i have is that when I click, it takes too long to open
3289. # [23:52] <timeless> ideally you'd cache the top 3 items
3290. # [23:52] <timeless> and show me them while you're grabbing the rest
3291. # [23:52] <mak> timeless: thanks, you should send kudos to paolo for most of that :) feel free to file the bug
3292. # [23:52] <Mossop> mak: Odd. The first time I ran the new nightly the downloads toolbar icon appeared after a few seconds. Subsequent times it just doesn't appear at all
3293. # [23:53] <mak> Mossop: could be the upgrade process was detected as an unclean restart...
3294. # [23:53] <gaston> clusterfuck gfx/cairo/expose-snapshot.patch #~@~#
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3296. # [23:54] <Mossop> mak: Meaning what?
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3298. # [23:55] <timeless> grr, when was gBrowser removed?
3299. # [23:55] <mak> Mossop: there is quite complicated behavior on start, where it checks if the previous session was closed cleanly and eventually restores some downloads (cause you may have crashed and not noticed a download finished or so). it may wrongly detect upgrade
3300. # [23:55] <timeless> it broke parts of spdyindicator and noscript
3301. # [23:55] <mak> Mossop: feel free to file a bug
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3304. # [23:55] <Mossop> timeless: gBrowser hasn't been removed
3305. # [23:55] <Mossop> We'd break 95% of extensions if we did that
3306. # [23:55] <timeless> Mossop: then why am i seeing "ReferenceError: gBrowser is not defined"
3307. # [23:55] <gavin> also we'd have to rewrite the world
3308. # [23:55] <Mossop> I don't know
3309. # [23:56] <timeless> or TypeError: gBrowser.getBrowserForDocument is not a function
3310. # [23:56] <gavin> timeless: because you're using sync and it does dumb things with observers?
3311. # [23:56] <timeless> gavin: "sync"?
3312. # [23:56] * timeless wonders what that is
3313. # [23:56] <gavin> firefox sync
3314. # [23:56] <gavin> alternatively, you're doing dumv things with observers
3315. # [23:56] <timeless> did someone automatically opt me into that?
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3317. # [23:56] <timeless> this is spdyindicator + noscript
3318. # [23:56] <timeless> (both are suffering)
3319. # [23:57] <gavin> no, you need to explicitly enable sync
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3325. # [23:58] <WG9s> and make sure you are using a build that does not include changeset ef55c163a23a
3326. # [23:58] <WG9s> becuase it messes up extensions that define prefs in a packages xpi file
3327. # [23:59] <WG9s> it sepcifically has been said to mess up adblock and noscript
3328. # [23:59] <WG9s> current mozilla-central should be fine
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