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1. # Session Start: Sat Apr 21 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <jimm> ehsan: I derailed the bug. you answered that question for me. we simply state you can't build on xp anymore and that's that.
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5. # [00:00] <@ehsan> oh ok
6. # [00:00] <@ehsan> jimm: so now should we talk about whether our binaries will run on xp?
7. # [00:00] <jimm> sure :)
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9. # [00:01] <jimm> they don't if built with vc11 currently.
10. # [00:01] <@ehsan> ok, right
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13. # [00:01] <@ehsan> jimm: so my submission to you is that making vc11 bins run on xp is going to be extremely hard, and tricky
14. # [00:01] <@ehsan> and it's not worth the effort
15. # [00:01] <@ehsan> so I think we should use two compilers basically :(
16. # [00:02] <@ehsan> (and possibly generate two separate installers, etc)
17. # [00:02] <@bz> vc11?
18. # [00:02] <@ehsan> yeah
19. # [00:02] <@bz> we're switching compilers again? ;)
20. # [00:03] <jimm> that's one of the options we've kicked around. I mentioned in the original post maybe doing that or moving xp users to the ESR release.
21. # [00:03] <@ehsan> jimm: and we should publicly shame microsoft for doing it this time
22. # [00:03] <@ehsan> I mean, _seriously_, what's wrong with those people?!
23. # [00:03] <@ehsan> bz: soon ;)
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25. # [00:03] <@ehsan> jimm: feel free to try to get Asa approve of that ;)
26. # [00:03] <@bz> ehsan: why?
27. # [00:03] <@ehsan> (hint: it's probably not gonna work)
28. # [00:03] <jimm> ehsan: if you can put together your thoughts on that and post them to that bug, that would be great.
29. # [00:03] <@bz> ehsan: (serious question; presumably there are wins to be had?)
30. # [00:04] <@ehsan> jimm: also I don't think moving them to ESR is the right thing to do at all, xp users are a large portion of our users)
31. # [00:04] * Mook_as wonders if the typedefed templated struct can have an operator()
32. # [00:04] <jimm> we're just kicking around options at this point., so we want to get everything on the table.
33. # [00:04] <@ehsan> jimm: sure
34. # [00:04] <@ehsan> bz: for metro builds
35. # [00:04] <@ehsan> bz: on a serious note, nobody has decided that we'll *switch*
36. # [00:04] <@ehsan> bz: but we might end up with having to use two compilers
37. # [00:04] <@bz> ehsan: ah, ok
38. # [00:04] <@bz> ehsan: right
39. # [00:05] <@bz> ehsan: so....
40. # [00:05] <@bz> ehsan: we're not going to use the same binary for metro and pre-metro anyway, are we?
41. # [00:05] <@ehsan> bz: we don't know yet
42. # [00:05] <@bz> ehsan: or would a single binary in theory work for both, if we wanted to try to do it?
43. # [00:05] <@bz> ok
44. # [00:06] <@ehsan> bz: we may be able to use different stubs
45. # [00:06] <@ehsan> and the same libxul
46. # [00:06] <@ehsan> but that could potentially be hard
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48. # [00:06] <jimm> bz: we're going to integrate the metro bits into the standard fx build/install
49. # [00:06] <@bz> that's equivalent for my purposes
50. # [00:06] <@ehsan> and honestly that gives me the chill
51. # [00:06] <jimm> bz: so when you download/install fx, you get the metro browser
52. # [00:06] <qheaden> You guys are switching to VC11?
53. # [00:06] <@bz> in that it requires two separate downloads
54. # [00:06] <@bz> one for metro, one for win7 and earlier
55. # [00:06] <@bz> or something
56. # [00:07] <jimm> that's what we want to avoid
57. # [00:07] <jimm> we want it all to come down with the fx installer
58. # [00:07] <jimm> bz: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Windows_8_Integration#Metro
59. # [00:08] <jimm> feel free to add comments to the wiki or email around to everybody
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62. # [00:08] <jimm> we want to sign off on a plan by next week
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64. # [00:08] <jimm> so we can start landing metro code on mc
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67. # [00:10] <@bz> jimm: not sure I have comments; just trying to understand the plan, not criticize. ;)
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70. # [00:11] <jimm> that's alright. I want to make sure people understand what we might be doing.
71. # [00:11] <jimm> bz: the big problem is this:
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73. # [00:11] <jimm> bz: to build metro bits with fx we need vc11
74. # [00:11] <jimm> but vc11 bins don't run on xp
75. # [00:12] <jimm> if we can solve that, we're golden
76. # [00:12] <jimm> that's bug 744942
77. # [00:12] <@bz> jimm: right
78. # [00:12] <Callek> jimm: in THEORY *a solution* might be to build Firefox twice, and then have a stub (VC2010) installer that uses net-install to download the *correct* msi/exe for the os you have :-)
79. # [00:12] <Callek> jimm: if thats the right solution or not, no idea
80. # [00:13] <@bz> jimm: that much I gathered
81. # [00:13] <@ehsan> jimm: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744942#c24 (please see if this makes sense)
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83. # [00:13] <@bz> jimm: hmm. Two concurrent apps as in the metro and non-metro one might be running in parallel?
84. # [00:14] <jimm> bz: yep
85. # [00:14] * jimm ducks
86. # [00:14] <@bz> jimm: funtimes. ;)
87. # [00:14] <jimm> profile issues will be interesting
88. # [00:14] <jimm> yeah
89. # [00:14] <Mook_as> Callek: that won't be as nice, though if you have win7 and update to win8.
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92. # [00:15] <@bz> when's win8 maybe-going-final?
93. # [00:15] <@ehsan> bz: yeah, what could _possibly_ go wrong with that plan?!
94. # [00:15] <Callek> Mook_as: there are certainly edge-cases of course ;-) but they can be made to work with our "channel switching" support and the background service stuff ;-)
95. # [00:15] <Callek> Mook_as: or whatever solution we choose
96. # [00:15] <@bz> ehsan: which plan?
97. # [00:15] <Callek> but anyway, ttyl everyone
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99. # [00:16] <@ehsan> bz: running a metro and non-metro app at the same time
100. # [00:16] <@bz> ehsan: ;)
101. # [00:17] <jimm> bz: fallish
102. # [00:17] <jimm> but we aren't planning an official release until maybe jan. we would like to do better, depends on how things go.
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105. # [00:18] <jimm> ehsan, bz: do you see the profile sharing issue as impossible, or just a pita?
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107. # [00:19] * @bz is not sure
108. # [00:19] <@ehsan> jimm: a huge pita
109. # [00:19] <@ehsan> but it's software, so I wouldn't say impossible ;)
110. # [00:19] <@bz> so some things might not be critical to share
111. # [00:20] <@ehsan> jimm: (I'm serious, I wouldn't count that as a small task)
112. # [00:20] <@bz> so might be easier to just have two copies of
113. # [00:20] <@bz> like cache
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115. # [00:20] <jimm> we haven't
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118. # [00:20] <jimm> bz: right
119. # [00:20] <jimm> just key bits
120. # [00:20] <jimm> like the spaces db, passwords, stuff like that
121. # [00:20] <@bz> Coming up with the specific list of what's planned to be shared would be a good start
122. # [00:20] <@ehsan> yep
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124. # [00:21] * @bz also has no idea how slite is with concurrent access
125. # [00:21] <@ehsan> I _think_ it supports it
126. # [00:21] <@bz> and how our caches like places will deal
127. # [00:21] <@bz> and whether we care
128. # [00:21] <@ehsan> but that may make things even less efficient than they already are
129. # [00:21] <jimm> couldn't you broker sqlite using ipc?
130. # [00:21] <@bz> (we care to not clobber on write, but we may not care about immediate cache updates, because the metro and non-metro browser won't _really_ be viewed concurrently by the user, right?)
131. # [00:22] <jimm> so one process accesses the db, and two processes talk to that process for access
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133. # [00:22] <jimm> bz: well switching between the two, people will expect things like the awesome bar, bookmarks and passwords to be in sync 100% of the time.
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136. # [00:23] <@ehsan> jimm: but iirc switching takes some time because of the animations, so that may buy us some time...
137. # [00:23] <jimm> maybe a second or two.
138. # [00:24] <jimm> in metro we would get an event when the main window is deactivated
139. # [00:24] <jimm> we could flush stuff from that
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141. # [00:24] <jimm> on the desktop we won't know much about our visibility state
142. # [00:24] <mbrubeck> It seems to me like it would be far better to have a VC10 build that has metro disabled (for XP users) and a VC11 build that has "classic" plus "metro" in a single binary (for non-XP users)
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144. # [00:24] <jimm> the desktop will basically think it's running, unfortunately, even when it's in the background.
145. # [00:24] <mbrubeck> and a stub installer that will download the right one
146. # [00:25] <@ehsan> argh
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150. # [00:25] <jimm> mbrubeck: there are corner cases that break that, like os upgrades. but it'
151. # [00:26] <jimm> it's still an option
152. # [00:27] <mbrubeck> It wouldn't break too badly on OS upgrades -- it just might not be metro-enabled until it has a chance to update itself
153. # [00:27] <mbrubeck> Who is upgrading XP hardware to Windows 8, anyway? :P
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155. # [00:27] <mbrubeck> (OS downgrades would break things, but that's already true in all sorts of cases.)
156. # [00:27] <@bz> mbrubeck: dangerous question that
157. # [00:28] <jimm> isolating xp may be the best bet
158. # [00:28] <jimm> vs. isolating win8
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160. # [00:28] <jimm> so a special install for xp users and everybody else gets the new bits
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163. # [00:29] <jimm> ehsan: you know, tracking desktop visiblity state could be done
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165. # [00:30] <jimm> we could look occasionally at the top most window and identify the metro interface
166. # [00:30] <jimm> which is just explorer.exe with a window up
167. # [00:31] <@ehsan> jimm: appologies for aborting the conversation, but I need to run :/
168. # [00:31] <jimm> cool
169. # [00:31] <@ehsan> jimm: ttyl (or send me an email/comment on the bug)?
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171. # [00:31] <@ehsan> jimm: or career pigeons
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173. # [00:31] <@ehsan> *carrier!
174. # [00:31] <jimm> sure :) thanks!
175. # [00:31] <@ehsan> alright
176. # [00:31] <@ehsan> ttyl
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180. # [00:33] <@bz> hmm
181. # [00:33] <@bz> why does doing Tools > Web Developer > Inspect do nothing?
182. # [00:33] <@bz> in my build?
183. # [00:34] <KWierso> works for me on the current nightly build
184. # [00:34] <@bz> yes
185. # [00:34] <KWierso> anything in error console?
186. # [00:34] <@bz> works in my nightly
187. # [00:34] <@bz> but not in my inbound-compiled build
188. # [00:34] <@bz> Timestamp: 4/20/12 6:27:08 PM
189. # [00:34] <@bz> Error: SyntaxError: illegal character
190. # [00:34] <@bz> Source File: resource:///modules/inspector.jsm
191. # [00:34] <@bz> Line: 305
192. # [00:34] <@bz> Source Code:
193. # [00:34] <@bz> #ifdef XP_MACOSX
194. # [00:34] <@bz> yes, indeed
195. # [00:34] <@bz> wtf?
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200. # [00:35] <@bz> just to be sure
201. # [00:35] <KWierso> no hash signs 4 u
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205. # [00:36] <KWierso> bz: lots of instances of the word "inspector" in ehsan's merge's commit messages
206. # [00:37] <Mook_as> the makefile looks okay, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/134706dc07b1/browser/devtools/highlighter/Makefile.in
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213. # [00:38] <@bz> it's possible that I pulled after I last built
214. # [00:38] <@bz> so if we're linking into the srcdir...
215. # [00:39] <@bz> or something
216. # [00:39] <@bz> anyway
217. # [00:39] <@bz> let's see what happens when I rebuild
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225. # [00:43] <jviereck> roc: hi roc. People don't like the idea to have sync image loading in the platform. Therefore the mozPrintCallback has to be async. I've got an overall plan to implement this. The first step (where I'm stuck…) is to create a "Subclass" of the nsCanvasRenderingContext2D that I call nsCanvasRendringContextPrint. It has some new fields, such that the developer can tell the backend this canvas is finished for printing and such.
226. # [00:43] <@roc> what new fields do you need exactly?
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229. # [00:44] <jviereck> something that I call "done()" to signal the backend can print this canvas now
230. # [00:44] <jviereck> and
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233. # [00:44] <jviereck> what I call right now "useable", which signals if the user can interact with the context
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235. # [00:45] <jviereck> roc: e.g. if the user called "done()", then "useable == false", or if the rendering context got destroyed, then the attribute is false as well
236. # [00:46] <@roc> what do you mean, "if the rendering context got destroyed"?
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240. # [00:48] <jviereck> roc: think of the usage in preview: the rendering to a context might not has finished yet, but the user selects a different zoom level, which requires the context size to change. My idea was to call `reset()` on the current canvas and create a new context with the matching pixel size for preview
241. # [00:48] <jviereck> that way, if the developer has the old context, which "reset()" was called on, he has a way to know, that the context was reset and he should not call any function on it anymore
242. # [00:49] <jviereck> for the new context, the mozPrintCallback is called again
243. # [00:49] <@roc> wouldn't calling mozPrintCallback again be a suitable signal that the old context is no longer relevant?
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245. # [00:50] <jviereck> roc: that doable, but requires the developer to track more state on the JS-side
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247. # [00:50] <@roc> if you used an event instead of the callback, then the event object could have a "done" attribute (along with a 2D context attribute)
248. # [00:51] <jviereck> roc: I love you :)
249. # [00:51] <jviereck> k, well, I'm not a fan of events, as you can bind multiple of them in theory to the same canvas, and that could lead to some strange behavior
250. # [00:52] <jviereck> but could we use the second argument of the mozPrintCallback for this?
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252. # [00:52] <jviereck> mozPrintCallback(ctx, { done: function isDoneFunc() })
253. # [00:52] <cers> I'm trying to build mozilla-central, but get the error that perl >=5.006 is required... perl --version says 5.10.0
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255. # [00:53] <cers> any idea what to do?
256. # [00:53] <mcsmurf> what OS?
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258. # [00:53] <cers> os x
259. # [00:53] <@roc> jviereck: it's more extensible to use an object
260. # [00:53] <@roc> if you don't want to use an event, that's fine
261. # [00:54] <@roc> define a CanvasPrintState object (just guessing at the name), give it a "context" attribute and a done() method, and pass that to the callback
262. # [00:54] <cers> I've built mc many times before, but have recently moved a lot of things around (ports, fink, brew and so on)
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264. # [00:54] <jviereck> roc: yes Sir :) That makes things way easier
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266. # [00:56] <jviereck> roc: is there something agains adding a "useable" attribute on this CanvasPrintState object as well?
267. # [00:56] <@roc> 'usable' isn't really a great name
268. # [00:56] <@roc> also
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270. # [00:57] <@roc> it might be better to have a separate callback to cancel the operation
271. # [00:57] <@roc> e.g. mozCancelPrintCallback
272. # [00:57] <@roc> then you can do things like cancel XHRs etc
273. # [00:57] <Mook_as> cers: config.log please; it sounds like the problem is elsewhere?
274. # [00:58] <@roc> pass the same CanvasPrintState object of course, so JS can keep its state in CanvasPrintState expandos
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277. # [00:58] <cers> Mook_as: hold on, I'm just installing a new perl package from activeperl - that might do the trick
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279. # [00:59] <jviereck> roc: I don't get the idea behind mozCanclePrintCallback
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281. # [01:02] <cers> Mook_as: for some reason it's looking for perl in /opt/local/bin//perl5 - while it's actually in /usr/bin/
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284. # [01:02] <myk> lsblakk: you say that bug 746645 is not related to fennec at all and fine for a=desktop-only, but i think that code is actually used by fennec
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286. # [01:03] <myk> lsblakk: and it isn't in browser/, which (along with webapprt/) are the only two places i know qualify for a=desktop-only
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288. # [01:03] <myk> lsblakk: so i just want to double-check; i'm ready to check in the patch, but you sure it doesn't require approval?
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292. # [01:06] <@roc> jviereck: what's unclear?
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294. # [01:08] <jviereck> roc: is "mozCancelPrintCallback" on the canvas element or on the object that gets passed to the mozPrintCallback? If the user calls this function, does that means the entire printing process should get canceld?
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302. # [01:12] <ejpbruel> does anyone know a good resource to learn more about servo?
303. # [01:15] <bent> "ask bz"
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305. # [01:16] <@roc> I would put it on the canvas element so it's parallel to mozPrintCallback. It's not a function, it's a callback just like mozPrintCallback is.
306. # [01:17] <@roc> so the Web app calling it wouldn't make sense
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308. # [01:18] <jviereck> roc: now I get it. thanks a lot
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328. # [01:42] <lsblakk> myk: my mistake if i assumed the webapps meant it didn't affect fennec
329. # [01:43] <myk> lsblakk: no worries; notate that in bug and re-add flag?
330. # [01:43] <lsblakk> let's put that back in the queue for blassey or mfinkle to check on then
331. # [01:43] <lsblakk> thanks for checking in
332. # [01:43] <myk> lsblakk: sure thing; would love to check that in, but don't want to break the rules
333. # [01:44] <myk> and can wait for the approval, which've been speedy these days
334. # [01:45] <lsblakk> we're looking at them every day
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425. # [03:12] <rjcksn> Where can I find tutorial on naming convention of mozilla's code?
426. # [03:16] <padenot> rjcksn: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_Coding_Style_Guide would be my guess
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429. # [03:19] <rjcksn> thank you, padenot.
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476. # [03:57] <jtcranmer> mozilla::dom::bindings::js::xpcom::NS_NotEnoughNamespaces_SoMakeMore::MaybeThisIsEnough::Factory
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483. # [04:03] <rfid> In bugzilla, how can I change my name from email address?
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489. # [04:06] <Waldo> rfid: check out the email preferences (?) tab
490. # [04:07] <Waldo> yeah, that
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493. # [04:08] <rfid> Waldo: cannot find any place to change name.
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496. # [04:09] <Waldo> er, oops
497. # [04:09] <Waldo> rfid: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=account
498. # [04:10] <rfid> Waldo: "Your real name" ?
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500. # [04:11] <Waldo> whatever you want to put there, really, but your actual name is a nice touch
501. # [04:11] <rfid> Thanks :)
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532. # [04:48] <bsmith> \what do we usually do with XPCOM APIs and JS/CSS/XUL that we stop needing for Firefox but (a) Thunderbird requires, or (b) Thunderbird doesn't require but some XULRunner app might
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534. # [04:49] <RyanVM> philor: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11083747&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
535. # [04:49] <RyanVM> philor: dunno
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537. # [04:50] <RyanVM> i guess it's 739297
538. # [04:50] <philor> nobody's broken down and filed that yet?
539. # [04:50] <RyanVM> the first line is throwing me for a loop
540. # [04:50] <RyanVM> the rest matches
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542. # [04:51] <philor> yeah, looks like we started throwing instances of it in there March 29th
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546. # [04:55] <RyanVM> good enough for me
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548. # [05:00] <@bz_dinner> Anyone here know anything about WebGL?
549. # [05:00] * bz_dinner is now known as bz
550. # [05:01] <@bz> bjacob: ping
551. # [05:01] <@dolske> bsmith: depends. keep it and ignore it, move it to an app-specific place, or if it's a pain point ask to have code changed (or more likely just do it yourself)
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553. # [05:03] <bsmith> dolske: so we can just #ifdef it out for firefox builds and leave it?
554. # [05:03] <bsmith> definitely I don't want to leave it in libxul and the onmijar for Firefox
555. # [05:04] <@dolske> bsmith: what code are we talking about?
556. # [05:04] <bjacob> bz: pong
557. # [05:05] <bsmith> dolske: the dialog box that pops up when a sub-resource has an SSL error, and the API around that dialog box
558. # [05:05] <@bz> bjacob: trying to understand the spec for readPixels
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560. # [05:05] <@dolske> bsmith: oh, lolz
561. # [05:05] <@bz> bjacob: which says "The following are the allowed format and type combinations:"
562. # [05:05] <@bz> bjacob: and then lists exactly one combination
563. # [05:05] <@dolske> bsmith: this is the PSM goop that kaie didn't want to get rid of?
564. # [05:05] <@bz> bjacob: which is actually similar to what GLES says, sorta
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566. # [05:06] <bsmith> dolske: yes, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682329
567. # [05:06] <@bz> bjacob: but before then spends all this verbiage talking about how other combinations should be handled....
568. # [05:06] <@bz> bjacob: are we supposed to support said other combinations (as we do right now) or not?
569. # [05:06] <bsmith> dolske: are you in the MV office now?
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571. # [05:06] <@dolske> bsmith: sounds reasonable in this case... if we can't outright nuke it, ifdef it.
572. # [05:07] <bjacob> bz: we might in the future, but for now only one combination is allowed. so the verbiage is currently useless
573. # [05:07] <bsmith> It was nuked 6 months ago
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575. # [05:07] <bsmith> the question is if/where to resurrect it
576. # [05:07] <@dolske> though someone will grumble about what-if someone wants it for xulrunner + ff-on-xulrunner... meh
577. # [05:07] <bjacob> bz: for example, it's conceivable that we might expose a BGRA extension
578. # [05:07] <@bz> bjacob: it's worse than useless. It's actively confusing
579. # [05:07] <@bz> bjacob: fwiw, our impl does all sorts of different modes there
580. # [05:08] <@dolske> bsmith: nope, already at home. i didn't know we were resurrecting it. crazy.
581. # [05:08] <bsmith> dolske: I am not eager to build grumbling-oriented software
582. # [05:08] <bjacob> bz: i wouldn't mind it getting changed. regarding our impl allowing various modes: oops
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584. # [05:08] <@bz> bjacob: ok
585. # [05:08] <bjacob> bz: that would need a bug filed with webgl-conformance webgl-test-needed
586. # [05:08] <@bz> bjacob: I'm going to preserve behavior for now, since it's simpler, and file a bug
587. # [05:08] <@bz> bjacob: will do
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589. # [05:09] <bsmith> dolske: is Firefox-on-xulrunner still a thing?
590. # [05:10] <@dolske> linux distros?
591. # [05:10] <bsmith> I don't understand what our position is on XULRunner. I've heard everything from "we must keep it working" to "don't even think about it"
592. # [05:10] <bsmith> to "what's XULRunner" from new people
593. # [05:10] <@dolske> heh
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595. # [05:11] <bsmith> Johnath claimed that we announced we weren't supporting XULRunner (much?) any more last year, but I couldn't find said announcement
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597. # [05:11] <@dolske> it is a heisenapp.
598. # [05:12] <bsmith> I like how the XULRunner wiki page mentioned XForms like we're sorry that we're not supplying the new hotness of XForms to XULRunner apps
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600. # [05:12] <@bz> bjacob: I have to say that this API is an awesome example of futureproofing at the cost of usability now
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602. # [05:13] <@dolske> there's a wiki page? awesome.
603. # [05:13] <bsmith> dolske: do you know who is in charge of XULRunner?
604. # [05:13] * aja can't wait for XBL2Runner
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606. # [05:14] <@bz> bjacob: Given WebIDL supports overloading, it would be trivial to define a readPixels(GLint x, GLint y, GLsizei width, GLsizei height, ArrayBufferView? pixels); that assumes RGBA and UNSIGNED_BYTE and then add an overload with the extra arguments once it's needed....
607. # [05:14] <bjacob> bz: indeed, so feel free to go for that. just check if the spec forbids throwing an exception when the typed array is not of the right type
608. # [05:14] <bjacob> (i dont know)
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610. # [05:15] <bjacob> bz: the idea of the api is to stay as close as possible to opengl es. that also explains the useless 'border' argument in texImage2D which must be 0
611. # [05:15] <bjacob> and
612. # [05:16] <bjacob> 'transpose' in uniformMatrix*
613. # [05:16] <bjacob> which must be false
614. # [05:16] <philor> somebody with access want to mark bug 739040 fixed and paste https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/38110d344363 in it for me?
615. # [05:16] <bjacob> the idea is not just future-proofing,
616. # [05:16] <bjacob> it's also what allowed us to pull webgl out of the ground in finite time with limited bikeshedding
617. # [05:17] <@bz> bjacob: it does forbd
618. # [05:17] <@bz> bjacob: sure
619. # [05:17] <@bz> bjacob: I'll post to the list
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621. # [05:18] <@bz> bjacob: there have already been some changes
622. # [05:18] <@bz> bjacob: from the gl api
623. # [05:18] <@bz> bjacob: anyway, rest by mail
624. # [05:18] <@bz> bjacob: thanks again
625. # [05:18] <cjones> bz, ping (when you're done with bjacob)
626. # [05:18] <bjacob> np! thanks to you
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629. # [05:20] <@bz> cjones: pong
630. # [05:20] <cjones> hey bz, how do the new DOM bindings affect JS-implemented "DOM APIs"?
631. # [05:20] <cjones> is it still possible to implement an API entirely in JS?
632. # [05:21] <cjones> (API declared in the new style, i mean)
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635. # [05:21] <@bz> cjones: define "possible"?
636. # [05:21] <@bz> cjones: I don
637. # [05:21] <@bz> cjones: I don't think it's any _less_ possible
638. # [05:22] <cjones> so, to the extent of my extremely limited knowledge, i believe in the current world a DOM API can be declared in a .idl and implemented by a JS XPCOM component
639. # [05:22] <@bz> ah
640. # [05:22] <@bz> so
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642. # [05:22] <cjones> how does that work in the new worlrd, if at all
643. # [05:22] <@bz> yes, that's the only way to do it still
644. # [05:22] <cjones> *world
645. # [05:22] <cjones> ok
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648. # [05:22] <@bz> which means that if the interface uses features xpidl does not have you lose
649. # [05:22] <@bz> and it also means your impl is not going to be spec-compliant
650. # [05:23] <cjones> oh?
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653. # [05:23] <@dolske> bsmith: oops, wandered off. bsmedberg-bbl would be Mr. Xulrunner, afaik
654. # [05:23] <cjones> bz, because of the lack of the WebIDL feature, you mean?
655. # [05:23] <@bz> no, because xpconnect doesn't really do the protype chain stuff webidl calls for
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657. # [05:24] <@bz> it'd take some poking at the objects to show it's not spec compliant
658. # [05:24] <@bz> in that sense
659. # [05:24] <cjones> i see
660. # [05:24] <@bz> For other stuff, though, it would be trivially not spec-compliant
661. # [05:24] <cjones> are there any plans to bridge the new bindings back into JS?
662. # [05:24] <@bz> not yet
663. # [05:24] <cjones> seems doable in theory
664. # [05:24] <cjones> ok
665. # [05:25] <cjones> bz, what kind of other stuff?
666. # [05:25] <@bz> because for one thing, JS doesn't have the capabilities WebIDL needs to be implemented
667. # [05:25] <@bz> We could do it if we did a new-binding version of XPCWrappedJS, sorta
668. # [05:25] <cjones> mmm
669. # [05:25] <@bz> but....
670. # [05:25] <@bz> what that really comes down to is a C++ object
671. # [05:26] <@bz> that exposes an api
672. # [05:26] <@bz> webidl bindings for that
673. # [05:26] <@bz> and then the C++ object calling into the chrome JS
674. # [05:26] <@bz> right?
675. # [05:26] <@bz> That might be an interesting thing to set up
676. # [05:26] <cjones> that was my thought
677. # [05:26] <cjones> could auto-generate that i would expect
678. # [05:26] * @bz wonders whether we could autogen it
679. # [05:26] <cjones> heh
680. # [05:26] <@bz> There are some issues
681. # [05:26] <@bz> we'd need to convert the args to C++ types and then call back out into JS....
682. # [05:27] <@bz> as for what kind of other stuff
683. # [05:27] <@bz> Say we have an interface "Foo"
684. # [05:27] <@bz> and IDL on interface Bar like so:
685. # [05:27] <@bz> setFoo(Foo foo);
686. # [05:27] <@bz> and we implement Foo in JS
687. # [05:28] <@bz> That means an XPIDL nsIDOMFoo
688. # [05:28] <@bz> which is scriptable and not builtinclass
689. # [05:28] <@bz> and a JS impl of it
690. # [05:28] <@bz> right?
691. # [05:28] <@bz> With XPCWrappedJS exposing it
692. # [05:28] <cjones> that's one option, if we ffi through xpconnect
693. # [05:28] <@bz> I'm talking about today's world
694. # [05:28] <cjones> ah
695. # [05:28] <cjones> yes
696. # [05:28] <@bz> you asked what other issues
697. # [05:28] <@bz> Now a webpage does:
698. # [05:29] <@bz> myBar.setFoo({});
699. # [05:29] <cjones> BTW, i don't know what builtinclass means in xpidl
700. # [05:29] <cjones> but i think i can guess
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702. # [05:29] <@bz> Per spec, that's supposed to throw
703. # [05:29] <@bz> since the passed-in thing is not an instance of Foo _we_ created
704. # [05:29] <@bz> but XPConnect will happily XPCWrappedJS it
705. # [05:29] <@bz> and if it quacks like a Foo, it will work
706. # [05:29] <cjones> i see
707. # [05:29] <@bz> WebIDL explicitly forbids duck typing, basically
708. # [05:30] <@bz> builtinclass just means "don't allow XPCWrappedJS to implement this interface"
709. # [05:31] <cjones> ok
710. # [05:31] <@bz> I agree it's worth thinking about this some
711. # [05:31] <@bz> in the longer term
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713. # [05:31] <@bz> A related issue is how to implement interfaces inheriting from EventTarget
714. # [05:31] <@bz> which is already desired
715. # [05:31] <cjones> we have some new APIs that are implemented in pure JS
716. # [05:31] <@bz> and not possible right now
717. # [05:31] <cjones> so that's where i'm coming from
718. # [05:31] <cjones> right
719. # [05:31] <@bz> right
720. # [05:31] <cjones> i've heard that
721. # [05:31] <@bz> So I know how to make the EventTarget thing work
722. # [05:32] <@bz> maybe even in the proposed codegen setup.
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724. # [05:32] <@bz> anyway
725. # [05:33] <cjones> thanks bz
726. # [05:33] <@bz> another question
727. # [05:33] <@bz> timeframe?
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729. # [05:33] <@bz> Converting stuff to the new binding is ... not entirely trivial
730. # [05:34] <WeirdAl> What's the base Python version which Mozilla accepts for code patches to mozilla-central?
731. # [05:34] <WeirdAl> (minimum version)
732. # [05:34] <@bz> for things that were not really ready for it (e.g. "not node")
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734. # [05:34] <@bz> so I suspect we'll have our hands full with canvas for the next month or two
735. # [05:34] <Mavericks> WeirdAl: 2.4 may be
736. # [05:34] <WeirdAl> uggh
737. # [05:34] <@bz> and then we need to do the DOM....
738. # [05:34] <WeirdAl> I was hoping 2.6 or 2.7
739. # [05:35] <Mavericks> WeirdAl: hold on, need confirmation
740. # [05:35] <@bz> which is to say, no bandwidth to do the js codegen stuff
741. # [05:35] <@bz> unless we manage to scrounge up more people
742. # [05:35] <cjones> bz, yeah, no worries
743. # [05:36] <cjones> it's not a high priority at all, i just want to make sure we're not building castles on sand :)
744. # [05:39] <WeirdAl> eh, I'll write for Python 2.7 until someone tells me otherwise.
745. # [05:39] <@bz> cjones: well, to some extent we are
746. # [05:39] <@bz> cjones: or rather, we're building castles on not having generic code
747. # [05:39] <@bz> cjones: in the case of DOM bindings
748. # [05:39] <@bz> cjones: on the premise that "generic == slow"
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750. # [05:40] <@bz> cjones: I assume these JS-implemented APIs are not perf-sensitive or likely to be benchmarked? ;)
751. # [05:40] <lduros> I'm looking for a list of the node types in spidermonkey -- is there any documentation I can find on this? :-) I keep googling and getting odd results
752. # [05:40] <@bz> cjones: btw, another option...
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754. # [05:40] <@bz> cjones: would be to directly expose the JS stuff instead of going through C++
755. # [05:41] <@bz> cjones: we'd need to figure out how to implement the various WebIDL requirements and whatnot.
756. # [05:41] <cjones> bz, it seems like it might be hard to disambiguate overloaded calls and stuff in JS
757. # [05:41] <cjones> but i have pretty much no idea what i'm talking about now
758. # [05:41] <cjones> it'd be an interesting experiment
759. # [05:42] <cjones> moves more towards the dom.js world
760. # [05:42] <cjones> so i guess we have to solve it eventually
761. # [05:42] <cjones> (if they haven't already)
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763. # [05:43] <@bz> they punted
764. # [05:43] <@bz> more or less
765. # [05:44] <@bz> but yes, in the long term if we plan to do dom.js we'll need to solve this set of problems
766. # [05:44] <@bz> fwiw, if we go that route, we'd codegen the boilerplate
767. # [05:44] <@bz> I think
768. # [05:44] <@bz> stuff like converting arguments to the right types, etc.
769. # [05:44] <@bz> because doing it by hand is silly and error prone
770. # [05:45] <@bz> (quick, tell me how to properly convert to an "unsigned short" value in JS!)
771. # [05:45] <cjones> yeah, that makes sense
772. # [05:45] <cjones> should be faster in general
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774. # [05:46] <@bz> certainly to develop
775. # [05:46] <@bz> fwiw, I'm not sure at this point that dom.js would be faster than our C++ impl
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777. # [05:46] <cjones> we can make sure the conversion code is JIT-friendly
778. # [05:46] <@bz> we can try
779. # [05:47] <@bz> the conversion code needs features the language doesn't have yet
780. # [05:47] <@bz> or involves slow operations
781. # [05:47] <@bz> or both
782. # [05:47] <@bz> it's actually almost easier to make the C++ jit-friendly
783. # [05:47] * @bz has plans for that
784. # [05:47] <cjones> mmm
785. # [05:48] <@bz> I may just be limited by my lack of js knowledge
786. # [05:48] <@bz> but some stuff like "make sure this is actually a node"
787. # [05:48] <@bz> is .. hard
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789. # [05:48] <@bz> in C++ it's simple to do via JSClass
790. # [05:48] <@bz> which we can hang metadata off of
791. # [05:48] <WeirdAl> foo instanceof Components.interfaces.nsIDOMNode?
792. # [05:49] <WeirdAl> that's usually the best way, but access to Components in content is going away
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795. # [05:50] <@bz> WeirdAl: ah, not jit-friendly _and_ slow
796. # [05:50] <@bz> WeirdAl: also, incorrect if we implement Node in JS, no?
797. # [05:51] <WeirdAl> very true - and I will be impl. Node in JS fairly soon
798. # [05:51] <WeirdAl> not a C++-to-JS bridge, either, pure JS
799. # [05:51] <@bz> WeirdAl: if you don't need spec-compliance, just steal dom.js?
800. # [05:51] <WeirdAl> thought of that, reluctantly turned it down
801. # [05:51] <@bz> weirdal: I mean webidl-compliance; it's compliant with the actual DOM spec
802. # [05:51] <WeirdAl> _very_ reluctantly
803. # [05:52] <@bz> cjones: anyway
804. # [05:52] <@bz> cjones: we need to do some measuring, but we don't know how to even write the JS code to measure
805. # [05:52] <cjones> yeah, small issue, that :)
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830. # [06:09] * @bz has no idea about the low-level practicalities
831. # [06:09] <@bz> but seems like it might be "pretty easy" for a CPU to provide fast facilities for this
832. # [06:09] <@bz> wrong window
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836. # [06:16] <philor> somebody with access want to mark bug 739040 fixed and paste https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/38110d344363 in it for me?
837. # [06:19] <@bz> can do
838. # [06:19] <@bz> done
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840. # [06:22] <philor> thx
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844. # [06:27] <felipe> philor: fyi there was an orange yesterday in my push that I couldn't find a bug filed (on test_mousecapture.xul)
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847. # [06:30] <@bz> bjacob: so I was serious about asking whether you prefer something like NewInt8Array or Int8Array::Create
848. # [06:30] <philor> interesting, we don't seem to have any generic PresShell::RenderDocument or nsCanvasRenderingContext2DAzure::DrawWindow crashes filed
849. # [06:32] <bjacob> bz: clearly, Int8Array::Create is more c++-ish. Also, if that paves the way toward having something templated like TypedArray<Int8>::Create, that would be even better
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851. # [06:35] <@bz> bjacob: mm
852. # [06:35] <@bz> bjacob: ok
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854. # [06:35] * @bz will need to think about this a bit
855. # [06:36] <@bz> My "TypedArray" template currently includes ArrayBufferView and ArrayBuffer
856. # [06:36] <@bz> which are not in fact "typed"
857. # [06:36] <@bz> but are enough for my purposes. ;)
858. # [06:36] * BenWa|sms is now known as BenWa
859. # [06:36] <@bz> But I obviously can't allow creation of the ArrayBufferView thing
860. # [06:36] <@bz> and it'd be pretty rare to want to create the ArrayBuffer.
861. # [06:36] <@bz> hmm
862. # [06:37] * @bz bets he can make that work
863. # [06:37] <@bz> ok, lemme try
864. # [06:37] <bjacob> bz: i was just saying that with sfink's patch in mind where the lack of templatization of TA types forced him to do some nasty ## in a macro
865. # [06:37] <@bz> yeah, I saw
866. # [06:37] <@bz> #define SIMPLE_ARRAY_METHOD_UNIFORM(name, cnt, arrayType, ptrType) \
867. # [06:38] <@bz> JSObject* wa = GetTypedArray<JS_Is ## arrayType ## Array, JS_New ## arrayType ## ArrayFromArray>(aCx, aValue); \
868. # [06:38] <@bz> like that
869. # [06:38] <@bz> yes?
870. # [06:38] <bjacob> yeah
871. # [06:38] <bjacob> note that
872. # [06:38] <@bz> That code is so going to go away. ;)
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874. # [06:38] <bjacob> rather than introducing new symbolic constants like Int8,
875. # [06:38] <bjacob> it would be awesome to template directly on stdint types like int8_t
876. # [06:38] <@bz> well
877. # [06:38] <@bz> you can't quite do that
878. # [06:39] <@bz> since there are, for example, two different typed arrays that contain uint8_t data
879. # [06:39] <bjacob> oh, Clamped, alright
880. # [06:39] <bjacob> ok nevermind
881. # [06:39] <@bz> but in new-bindings all this will be handled in the binding code anyway
882. # [06:40] <@bz> so here the arrayType would just be Int8Array or whatever
883. # [06:40] <bjacob> ok
884. # [06:40] <@bz> and this line of code involving ## would simply not exist
885. # [06:40] <bjacob> right
886. # [06:41] <cjones> jlebar|mac, see bug 745141
887. # [06:41] <cjones> i'm kind of liking that idea
888. # [06:41] <cjones> what do you think?
889. # [06:41] * jlebar|mac looks
890. # [06:41] <bsmith> ddahl: let's say I have a string "abcdasdfasdf:asdfasfdasfdasdf:asdfasdfasdf"; How, in JS, can I split that into two parts, at the last semicolon (e.g. ""abcdasdfasdf:asdfasfdasfdasdf", "asdfasdfasdf")
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892. # [06:42] <@bz> var semicolonIdx = str.lastIndexOf(';')
893. # [06:42] <bsmith> s/semicolon/colon/
894. # [06:42] <@bz> update as desired for colons
895. # [06:42] <bsmith> thank you
896. # [06:42] <@bz> then use substring()
897. # [06:42] <ddahl> bsmith: what bz said:)
898. # [06:43] <cjones> could use split+reduce if you wanted to be a hipster
899. # [06:44] <@bz> it all depends on your actual use caes
900. # [06:44] <@bz> if you have a large string
901. # [06:44] <@bz> and it always has a ':'
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903. # [06:44] <@bz> and esp if that ':' is near the end
904. # [06:44] <@bz> then lastIndexOf will be way faster
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908. # [06:44] <@bz> if you have a small string, it just doesn't matter unless this is hot code; do whatever is most readable
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910. # [06:45] <@bz> if your string is large but may not have a ':', dunno
911. # [06:45] <@bz> lastIndexOf might still win
912. # [06:45] <bsmith> performance doesn't matter here
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914. # [06:45] <@bz> if your last name ends in "sig", then you'd need a solution with at least two callback functions and some call/apply love
915. # [06:45] <bsmith> I was thinking there may be some clever slicing operators in JS like I remember in Python
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918. # [06:46] <jlebar|mac> bsmith: Dream on.
919. # [06:46] <bsmith> I will look for a jQuery plugin
920. # [06:47] <@bz> bsmith: that's the "sig" approach
921. # [06:47] <@bz> cjones: atlogterm++
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923. # [06:47] <jlebar|mac> cjones: I like this too.
924. # [06:49] <cjones> jlebar|mac, ClearOnShutdown() used observer service, right?
925. # [06:49] <cjones> *uses
926. # [06:49] <jlebar|mac> cjones: Yes.
927. # [06:49] <cjones> k
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929. # [06:49] <jlebar|mac> Actually…it used to. I think I changed it so it's later in shutdown.
930. # [06:50] <jlebar|mac> cjones: After the observer service sends its notifications.
931. # [06:50] <jlebar|mac> cjones: But it's still not particularly late in the game.
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933. # [06:52] <cjones> jlebar|mac, porting ClearOnShutdown() to work at logterm wfm
934. # [06:52] <cjones> that's quite obviously the 99% common case
935. # [06:52] <jlebar|mac> Yes. I'll see if I can make it work!
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948. # [07:06] <cjones> jlebar|mac, btw, somewhat relatedly, i was thinking about a StaticPtr helper class the other day
949. # [07:06] <cjones> to take care of this stuff automagically
950. # [07:07] <cjones> but i think much further beyond that
951. # [07:07] <jlebar|mac> cjones: Yeah, I thought about that with ClearOnShutdown. But now I forget why I didn't do it. :)
952. # [07:08] <cjones> for one, we'd need StaticRefPtr, StaticNsRefPtr, and StaticAutoPtr
953. # [07:08] <cjones> which is a bit annoying
954. # [07:09] <cjones> actually just Ref/Auto
955. # [07:09] <cjones> i guess maybe COM too
956. # [07:12] <cjones> jlebar|mac, anyway, if you remember your concern i'd be curious
957. # [07:12] <cjones> i've r+'d some code that made me a little sick to my stomach
958. # [07:12] <jlebar|mac> cjones: Yeah. I might just have to try it to remember what was wrong.
959. # [07:12] <jlebar|mac> If anything.
960. # [07:13] <cjones> could get fancy and have it auto-construct on demand
961. # [07:13] <cjones> probably not that useful though
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992. # [08:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fa8ef24d0e7e - Dave Camp - Bug 747550 - Style button doesn't work since bug 707809. r=dietrich
993. # [08:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1eaf11b3cb5f - Frank Yan - Bug 746466 - Gradient background in about:home is only one viewport height tall. r=dao
994. # [08:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/021f95903ded - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team; a=desktop-only
995. # [08:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dde2fce2058a - Paul Rouget - Bug 683954 - [Layout] Implement an abstract view of the layout of the selected node. r=dcamp, r=jwalker
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1015. # [09:39] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
1016. # [09:39] * ttaubert waves
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1034. # [10:09] <Ms2ger> "(quick, tell me how to properly convert to an "unsigned short" value in JS!)"
1035. # [10:09] <Ms2ger> (v | 0) % (1 << 8)?
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1039. # [10:16] <Ms2ger> sid0, can you get your intranet app fixed already? :)
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1046. # [10:26] <Ms2ger> bz, not surprised about the regression either, but I can't say I mind much ;)
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1069. # [11:11] <zzzzz> bugzilla down ? tbpl not avail - major network crash somewhere ?
1070. # [11:11] <zzzzz> http://status.mozilla.com appears to not have updated in last 7-8 hrs
1071. # [11:12] <jfkthame> tbpl was working for me an hour ago, but now seems to be dead
1072. # [11:13] <jfkthame> and i'm getting a Server Error from secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/
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1153. # [13:23] <Ms2ger> NeilAway++
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1164. # [13:33] <Ms2ger> !summon nyman
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1187. # [14:03] <avih> tn: ping
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1191. # [14:13] <sid0> Ms2ger: hah. I've asked them to, but it's our grade system so naturally they're wary
1192. # [14:14] <Ms2ger> sid0, you know, they could just replace the parens by brackets :)
1193. # [14:14] <Ms2ger> As a first step, at least
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1195. # [14:14] <sid0> Ms2ger: well, they say they only care about supporting IE
1196. # [14:14] <Ms2ger> Boo
1197. # [14:15] <sid0> Yes, I know
1198. # [14:15] <sid0> sucks
1199. # [14:15] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: my vote is for v & 0xFFFF
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1202. # [14:16] <NeilAway> bah, who confused me by posting to planet next week?
1203. # [14:16] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, mm, looks like that works too
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1206. # [14:17] <sid0> Ms2ger: there's another intranet app that's chrome-only
1207. # [14:17] <sid0> Ms2ger: well, it used to be
1208. # [14:17] <sid0> they added support for firefox last month
1209. # [14:17] * sid0 sighs
1210. # [14:18] <Ms2ger> Silly people
1211. # [14:19] <@smaug> sid0: which place is this? some school?
1212. # [14:20] <sid0> smaug: yes, my school
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1215. # [14:21] <@smaug> sid0: make them adopt linux ;)
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1217. # [14:21] <sid0> smaug: how would that help? in any case, the school is already practically linux-only
1218. # [14:21] <@smaug> that way at least that IE problem would get solved
1219. # [14:22] <sid0> oh
1220. # [14:22] <sid0> yeah that's an ancient system
1221. # [14:22] <sid0> well, it works fine in chrome
1222. # [14:22] <Ms2ger> sid0, but if they used [], at least nobody would notice when we next break doc.all() :)
1223. # [14:22] <sid0> they just don't support it
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1227. # [14:24] <sid0> Ms2ger: so interestingly I didn't discover the new regression with the intranet app -- one of the banks I have an account with uses document.all()
1228. # [14:24] <sid0> Ms2ger: https://infinity.icicibank.co.in/web/emailus/jsp/emailUs.jsp
1229. # [14:24] <Ms2ger> Boo again
1230. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> "document.all(DropDownName).length=0"
1231. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> Does that even work in IE?
1232. # [14:25] <sid0> It works in Chrome
1233. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> if(navigator.appName == "Netscape")
1234. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> {
1235. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> document.all(DropDownName).appendChild( O);
1236. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> Seriously, why not use document.layers?
1237. # [14:26] <sid0> yeah, works in IE too
1238. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> sid0, work, as in, not fail silently :)
1239. # [14:27] <sid0> Ms2ger: yes, not fail silently
1240. # [14:27] <sid0> it works fine
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1245. # [14:30] <Ms2ger> sid0, I assume you will be contacting your bank too? :)
1246. # [14:30] <sid0> Heh, maybe
1247. # [14:31] <sid0> the problem is getting through to someone technical
1248. # [14:31] <Ms2ger> True :/
1249. # [14:31] <sid0> at least at school I personally know the maintainer
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1266. # [14:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d1ac8e24872c - Dão Gottwald - Bug 746837 - In undoCloseTab, focus the browser instead of the content window and do it immediately rather than after a timeout. r=zpao a=desktop-only
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1299. # [15:46] <@bsmedberg-bbl> what happened to the downloads window?
1300. # [15:46] <@smaug> bsmedberg-bbl: there is the downloads button/list
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1303. # [15:48] <@bsmedberg-bbl> I can't figure out how to close it with my mouse
1304. # [15:49] <@smaug> on linux, click anywhere outside it, or click the button
1305. # [15:49] <@smaug> (this is Bug 564934 btw )
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1404. # [18:11] <evilpie_> do we track ringmark somewhere?
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1409. # [18:16] <Ms2ger> evilpie_, I don't think that we want to, given that it does browser sniffing
1410. # [18:16] <evilpie_> uhhh
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1433. # [18:32] <Ms2ger> krit, I see you've met Dr. Olaf ;)
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1440. # [18:40] <NeilAway> gavin: do the secondary actions not dismiss a popup notification?
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1460. # [19:06] <gavin> NeilAway: they do
1461. # [19:08] <gavin> NeilAway: actually they remove them
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1464. # [19:12] <NeilAway> gavin: right, that's what I meant
1465. # [19:13] <NeilAway> gavin: I think the click-to-play code tries to remove it anyway, but only when denying plugins for the site, for some reason
1466. # [19:13] <NeilAway> gavin: or at least, that's what the patch of the port says ;-)
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1470. # [19:14] <gavin> NeilAway: yeah that looks wrong
1471. # [19:15] <gavin> NeilAway: well, I guess that method gets called outside of the notification actions
1472. # [19:15] <gavin> so it needs to remove the notification then
1473. # [19:15] <NeilAway> gavin: ah, activatePlugins already tries to remove the notification in the "Always Allow" case, so it got added for the "deny" case too
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1475. # [19:15] <NeilAway> gavin: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/browser/base/content/browser.js#7318
1476. # [19:17] <gavin> yeah that's weird
1477. # [19:17] <gavin> do you want to file a bug?
1478. # [19:17] <NeilAway> gavin: I'm not terribly keen to file it myself, but I could if you insist
1479. # [19:17] <gavin> "click to play actions shouldn't explicitly remove notifications"
1480. # [19:17] <gavin> I can do it
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1483. # [19:18] <NeilAway> gavin: also, on the line I linked, nit: "}, {" ;-)
1484. # [19:18] <gavin> yeah I noticed that too
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1487. # [19:22] <gavin> NeilAway: filed bug 747649
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1493. # [19:25] <NeilAway> bah, stupid font, misread lower case l as 1 and thought gavin was linking to line 17323
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1495. # [19:26] <NeilAway> gavin: offhand I don't suppose you remember that if you turn click-to-play off, does it still remember sites on which you denied plugins?
1496. # [19:27] <gavin> NeilAway: I don't know
1497. # [19:28] <gavin> I suspect not
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1500. # [19:34] <evilpie_> ddahl, bsmith: some news on bug 440046 ?
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1503. # [19:34] <bsmith> evilpie_ it cannot land before Tuesday because of the freeze of mozilla-central but it will land next week, barring any last-minute problems.
1504. # [19:34] <bsmith> we have everything working now, AFAICT
1505. # [19:35] <bsmith> just need to have the patch cleaned up
1506. # [19:35] <evilpie_> \o/ awesome, thanks for the info
1507. # [19:35] <bsmith> evilpie_ See bug 673432
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1510. # [19:36] <evilpie_> oh okay, didn
1511. # [19:36] <evilpie_> 't check that bug, sorry!
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1513. # [19:37] <bsmith> evilpie_ yes, most of the delay was just in figuring out how to get everything refactored so that eventually we CAN do the e10s implementation without rewriting everything
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1515. # [19:37] <bsmith> but we won't block it on the e10s implementation.
1516. # [19:37] <evilpie_> so we just have the infrastructure, but not the impl for e10s/mobile?
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1564. # [20:36] <@khuey> inbound aircraft for my flight made an emergency landing
1565. # [20:36] <@khuey> this is not going to be a fun day
1566. # [20:37] <KWierso> khuey: at least you weren't on it then?
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1569. # [20:39] <@khuey> yeah, could have been worse
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1574. # [20:44] <cers> khuey: think of it this way - what are the odds of the same plane crashing twice in one day? I bet that practically never happens... :-P
1575. # [20:45] <KWierso> cers++
1576. # [20:45] <myk> is there anyone here who can give emergency approval-mozilla-central?
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1578. # [20:45] <myk> this is to check in a bustage fix that has closed the tree
1579. # [20:45] <myk> which suggests a=bustage
1580. # [20:46] <@khuey> cers: we're getting a different plane
1581. # [20:46] <myk> but i'd rather get the formal approval
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1583. # [20:46] <cers> khuey: well then you're no worse off than if the first one had been fine :-) (albeit a bit late)
1584. # [20:46] <@khuey> myk: a=me
1585. # [20:46] <myk> khuey: thanks!
1586. # [20:47] <@khuey> cers: we're going to take off after we would have landed :-/
1587. # [20:47] <@khuey> cers: and that's assuming no more delays
1588. # [20:47] <cers> khuey: ahh - did you at least get like complementary snacks or drinkables while waiting?
1589. # [20:48] <@khuey> but yeah, on the scale of air travel failures this is pretty low
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1593. # [20:50] <firebot> Check-in:
1594. # [20:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/97170e7a5f84 - Myk Melez - bug 747394 - rename webapprt/application.ini to webapprt/webapprt.ini to work around an issue in a build script that looks for Firefox's application.ini, which busted nightly partial
1595. # [20:50] <firebot> updates, on a CLOSED TREE; r=bsmedberg, a=khuey
1596. # [20:51] <@bz> we had some class for doing lazy construction, I thought
1597. # [20:51] <@bz> LazilyConstructed or something?
1598. # [20:51] <@bz> mxr comes up blank
1599. # [20:52] <@khuey> Maybe?
1600. # [20:52] * @bz is thinking he either needs this or needs to somehow rejigger his typed array representation. :(
1601. # [20:53] <@bz> yeah
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1603. # [20:53] <@bz> we used to have a js::LazilyConstructed
1604. # [20:53] * @bz wonders what happened to it
1605. # [20:53] <@bz> Ah, renamed to Maybe
1606. # [20:53] <@khuey> ask Waldo
1607. # [20:53] <@khuey> I bet he disappeared it
1608. # [20:53] <@bz> which is so clear
1609. # [20:54] <@bz> So yeah
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1611. # [20:54] <@bz> Maybe<Int32Array> it is for me
1612. # [20:54] <@khuey> bah
1613. # [20:54] <@bz> well
1614. # [20:54] <@khuey> lack of sleep is catching up with me
1615. # [20:54] <@bz> just in the codegenned code
1616. # [20:54] <@bz> the problem being...
1617. # [20:54] <@bz> Say I have IDL that says "Int32Array?"
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1619. # [20:55] <@bz> The callee will take a Int32Array*
1620. # [20:55] <@bz> And the codegen should be something like:
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1622. # [20:55] <@bz> Int32Array* argN;
1623. # [20:55] <@bz> Maybe<Int32Array> holder;
1624. # [20:55] <@bz> if (argv[N].isNullOrUndefined()) {
1625. # [20:55] <@bz> argN = NULL;
1626. # [20:56] <@bz> } else if (argv[N].isObject() && JS_IsInt32Array(&argv[N].toObject())) {
1627. # [20:56] <@bz> holder.construct(cx, &argv[N].toObject());
1628. # [20:56] <@bz> argN = holder.addr();
1629. # [20:56] <@bz> } else {
1630. # [20:56] <@bz> // Throw
1631. # [20:56] <@bz> }
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1633. # [20:57] <@bz> or something along those lines
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1647. # [21:10] <Ms2ger> Not Maybe<TypedArray<int32_t>>?
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1652. # [21:13] <Ms2ger> Note to self: a patch that unprefixes CSS transforms, but doesn't update tests, won't go green
1653. # [21:13] <@khuey> sounds like a Captain Hindsight meme
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1656. # [21:15] <Ms2ger> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/21494090208/hubris-leads-to-laziness-laziness-leads-to-no
1657. # [21:15] <Ms2ger> sid0, relevant to you
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1701. # [21:44] <SignpostMarv> anyone awake familiar with the click event handler for menuitem elements ?
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1704. # [21:46] <@smaug> SignpostMarv: you mean html menuitem elements?
1705. # [21:46] <@smaug> SignpostMarv: just ask the question and someone may answer
1706. # [21:46] <@smaug> janv knows about html menu
1707. # [21:47] <@smaug> back in a minute
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1709. # [21:47] <janv> html or xul ?
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1716. # [21:49] <SignpostMarv> html
1717. # [21:50] <SignpostMarv> I've got context menus working in firefox, but I'm trying to figure out which element the context menu was made on when the menu item gets clicked
1718. # [21:50] <janv> ah
1719. # [21:50] <SignpostMarv> I do have a rather ugly workaround though.
1720. # [21:50] <SignpostMarv> I'd rather do without it :P
1721. # [21:51] <janv> can you pastebin it ?
1722. # [21:51] <SignpostMarv> the butt-ugly workaround ?
1723. # [21:51] <janv> yes
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1725. # [21:52] <SignpostMarv> http://pastebin.com/CKEH7xSB
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1727. # [21:53] <SignpostMarv> it basically monitors the context menu event
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1729. # [21:53] <SignpostMarv> then the menuitem click event handler acts on the element found via the context menu event
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1735. # [21:55] <janv> let me try something
1736. # [21:55] <bjacob> hey guys
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1738. # [21:56] <bjacob> how would you feel about a web standard that's safe if implemented on SSE instructions but insecure if implemented on x87 instructions? :-P
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1740. # [21:56] <SignpostMarv> o_O
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1747. # [21:59] * Ms2ger is happy to avoid that list
1748. # [22:00] <Ms2ger> bjacob, enjoying Dr. Olaf's emails, too? :)
1749. # [22:00] <WG9s> bjacob: actaully I think your question makes no sense. Whetehre it is safe or not is not related to what instructions it is using but more what software is currently implemented on that cpu platform. I bet it could be made to be safe on x87 with proper lower layer code.
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1751. # [22:01] <bjacob> WG9s: on x87 instructions, an add or mul can be > 200x slower if some of the operands is NaN. that makes it impossible to secure CSS shaders just by restricting the shader language.
1752. # [22:02] <janv> SignpostMarv: hmm, I think there was an article about it on hackc.mozilla.org
1753. # [22:02] <janv> trying to find it
1754. # [22:02] <janv> http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/11/html5-context-menus-in-firefox-screencast-and-code/
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1756. # [22:03] <SignpostMarv> that's for text selection methinx
1757. # [22:04] <janv> SignpostMarv: you should be able to get the element from the contextmenu event, no ?
1758. # [22:05] <SignpostMarv> that's what the ugly hack does. contextmenu triggers when context menu opens, but not when menuitem is clicked
1759. # [22:06] <janv> yeah
1760. # [22:06] <SignpostMarv> I'd rather not be adding/removing event handlers all the time
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1762. # [22:06] <janv> contextmenu bubbles
1763. # [22:06] <SignpostMarv> which is the other workaround I can think of
1764. # [22:06] <janv> you can have just one listener
1765. # [22:07] <SignpostMarv> see also the ugly workaround
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1767. # [22:07] <SignpostMarv> .search-results is an <ol>
1768. # [22:08] <janv> hmm
1769. # [22:09] * SignpostMarv would prefer something like menuitem[i].addEventListener('click', function(e){ e.target.target })
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1773. # [22:12] <janv> SignpostMarv: why do you need to add those event listeners separately ?
1774. # [22:13] <SignpostMarv> because I wasn't sure if menuitem click would bubble to menu ?
1775. # [22:13] <SignpostMarv> no particular reason
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1779. # [22:14] <janv> contextmenu is fired first
1780. # [22:14] <janv> so you can remeber event.target in a listener
1781. # [22:14] <janv> you can have just one for entire page
1782. # [22:14] <janv> for the <body> element
1783. # [22:14] <SignpostMarv> that just makes the workaround slightly less ugly :P
1784. # [22:14] <janv> click handler(s) can then use it
1785. # [22:15] <janv> it's not a workaround
1786. # [22:15] <janv> you are actually clicking on native menu
1787. # [22:15] <SignpostMarv> the problem is that menuitem's click handler properties do not seem to provide access to the element that was triggered initially
1788. # [22:16] <janv> well
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1791. # [22:16] <janv> that wasn't in the spec
1792. # [22:16] * SignpostMarv sees contextmenu as a workaround for this problem
1793. # [22:16] <janv> IIRC
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1795. # [22:16] <WG9s> It is good to see at least the Android and Linux nightlies were not broken by the fix. So hopefully the next triggered nightly will be green on OSX and Windows?
1796. # [22:17] <SignpostMarv> janv: is that particular portion of the spec frozen ?
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1798. # [22:17] <janv> I don't think so
1799. # [22:18] <janv> there's only one impl AFAIK
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1801. # [22:18] <SignpostMarv> where does one go to get feedback on proposed changes to the spec ?
1802. # [22:19] <janv> you can file a w3c bug
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1804. # [22:19] <janv> or send an email to w3c mailing list
1805. # [22:20] <janv> err
1806. # [22:20] <janv> whatwg
1807. # [22:20] <janv> http://forums.whatwg.org/bb3/index.php
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1809. # [22:21] * SignpostMarv wrote some JS to build composite context menus
1810. # [22:21] <SignpostMarv> ^since the spec seems to only allow one context menu per element
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1812. # [22:23] <SignpostMarv> oh, incidentally, there was another workaround I tried;
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1817. # [22:23] <SignpostMarv> document.querySelector('*[contextmenu]:active') didn't seem to work
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1819. # [22:24] <NeilAway> bah, why is mozillamemes so hard to submit to?
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1822. # [22:26] <NeilAway> SignpostMarv: have you tried popup.triggerNode?
1823. # [22:26] <KWierso> NeilAway: hard in what way?
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1825. # [22:27] <janv> this is about html menuitem
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1828. # [22:28] <SignpostMarv> popup.triggerNode ??
1829. # [22:28] <janv> that's only available in xul
1830. # [22:28] <NeilAway> KWierso: well, how hard is it to write a form to capture a URL?
1831. # [22:29] * KWierso is getting a "$ is not defined" error when clicking "Use a URL instead"
1832. # [22:29] <KWierso> swear that was working the other day...
1833. # [22:29] <SignpostMarv> that sounds like a jquery not loading problem ?
1834. # [22:31] <KWierso> NeilAway: alternatively, paste your web-based URL into the filepicker's textbox and the URL will be uploaded from your browser cache
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1837. # [22:32] <NeilAway> janv: sorry, I misunderstood
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1839. # [22:32] <janv> sure
1840. # [22:32] <NeilAway> KWierso: tl;dr
1841. # [22:32] <janv> no problem
1842. # [22:34] <janv> SignpostMarv: btw, we are also working on html toolbar menus :)
1843. # [22:34] <SignpostMarv> janv: bubbling workaround: http://pastebin.com/7kS8tu2W
1844. # [22:35] <SignpostMarv> bonus is the bubbling workaround works with the composite context menus script
1845. # [22:35] <janv> ok
1846. # [22:37] <SignpostMarv> think along the lines of what td.headers does :P
1847. # [22:37] <SignpostMarv> space-seperated list of menu ids
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1849. # [22:38] <SignpostMarv> added side effect of the composite context menus script is it stops the context menu entries showing up when javascript is disabled
1850. # [22:39] <SignpostMarv> which is a little daft, given that firefox provides no indication to the effect "hey, you've got javascript disabled, this context menuitem won't work" :P
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1854. # [22:41] <NeilAway> SignpostMarv: SeaMonkey doesn't have that bug ;-)
1855. # [22:41] <SignpostMarv> :D
1856. # [22:42] <SignpostMarv> any thoughts on which component to select on the the w3c bug tracker ?
1857. # [22:42] <janv> one sec
1858. # [22:42] <NeilAway> SignpostMarv: well, we test for docShell.allowJavascript and also the javascript.enabled pref but we don't test for NoScript
1859. # [22:43] <janv> HTML5 Spec
1860. # [22:43] <SignpostMarv> there's two
1861. # [22:43] <SignpostMarv> spec (editor: Ian Hickson) and spec author view
1862. # [22:43] <janv> see bug 13608 I filed
1863. # [22:44] <janv> LC1
1864. # [22:44] <SignpostMarv> I put it in LC1 HTML5 spec then ?
1865. # [22:44] <janv> ok
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1867. # [22:45] * SignpostMarv re-reads the spec before hitting submit
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1872. # [22:48] <WG9s> SignpostMarv: Hoping my getting you to the more technical channel helped. normally I am doing the opposite trying to get people who need user level support to #firefox to avoid pestering the developers with user support type issues.
1873. # [22:49] <WG9s> but it seemed your issue was too technical to be answered on the #firefox channel.
1874. # [22:49] <janv> yeah
1875. # [22:50] <gkw> mfinkle: ping
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1877. # [22:50] <mfinkle> gkw, pong
1878. # [22:50] <SignpostMarv> WG9s: it did, yes
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1880. # [22:50] <gkw> mfinkle: the typedarray patch you just denied approval.... fixed a severe typedarray bug that is only on nightly
1881. # [22:51] <mfinkle> gkw, i minused due to shear size and files touched
1882. # [22:51] <gkw> mfinkle: the denial of the patch will definitely affect the stability of Mobile, unless we would like a spotfix for the bad bug
1883. # [22:51] <mfinkle> tell me it's safe and no puppies will be harmed
1884. # [22:51] <WG9s> and I also think it did nto make peopel here think you were bothering developers with an issue that you should have been taking elsewhere.
1885. # [22:52] <WG9s> Or if it did they would be mad at me rather than you cause it was my idea.
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1887. # [22:52] <gkw> mfinkle: yes, so it'll be nice to have that justification in the bug, so someone can work on a spotfix for the bad bug instead
1888. # [22:52] <Jesse> which bug is this? is backing out the regressor an option?
1889. # [22:52] <gkw> Jesse: 711843 and 743000
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1892. # [22:52] <WG9s> I've had people mad at me before ;-)
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1894. # [22:53] <gkw> Jesse: if i recalled correctly, sfink mentioned that it's just as much work to back out the regressor (not too sure)
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1900. # [22:54] <Jesse> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743000#c9 "If I can't get bug 711843 landed in the next few days, I'll work on a spot fix."
1901. # [22:56] <mfinkle> gkw, i could be swayed and the bug does mention green try builds, but i don't see links to those builds
1902. # [22:56] <gkw> sfink or sfink|log ^
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1908. # [23:04] <SignpostMarv> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16816
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1911. # [23:06] <gkw> mfinkle: try results: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711843#c132
1912. # [23:07] <janv> SignpostMarv: thanks
1913. # [23:07] <gkw> (after some digging work)
1914. # [23:08] <SignpostMarv> janv: also posting on whatwg
1915. # [23:08] <janv> ok
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1918. # [23:11] <mfinkle> gkw, thanks
1919. # [23:11] <mfinkle> the tests for mobile look ok
1920. # [23:11] <gkw> mfinkle: np
1921. # [23:11] <mfinkle> no failures or talos regressions
1922. # [23:11] <gkw> \o/
1923. # [23:11] <mfinkle> let's give it a try
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1929. # [23:15] <gkw> mfinkle: hurray! so i can help sfink land on inbound now, i suppose?
1930. # [23:15] <gkw> thanks for the approval
1931. # [23:15] * gkw fingers crossed that everything will be alright
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1933. # [23:18] <@bz> Ms2ger: You still there?
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1937. # [23:19] <gkw> oh no, sfink has to refresh his patch, bitrotted.
1938. # [23:20] <@bz> heh
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1940. # [23:22] <Callek> gkw: can always try to apply to earlier rev it applies on then rebase, and push if the rebase is sane!
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1942. # [23:22] <Callek> that is usually hit or miss and my desire to do so *always* depends on my understanding of teh code
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1944. # [23:22] <gkw> Callek: rebase is more clever than hg qpush?
1945. # [23:24] <Callek> gkw: yes, but it can be weird to cooperate with MQ sometimes (I've found that for me, to do rebase by hand I need to qfinish -a, up to rev patch applies on, qimport bz:..., qpush, qfinish, rebase, then qimport patchset (if I need to make changes to author, message, etc.)
1946. # [23:24] <Callek> hg qimport -r tip && hg qpop is how I import patchset ;-)
1947. # [23:27] <gkw> Callek: ok, so i hg up to required changeset, then i hg qimported. what's next?
1948. # [23:28] <@bz> or you could just look at the patch and see what needs fixing
1949. # [23:28] <@bz> if desired
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1951. # [23:29] <@bz> hmm
1952. # [23:29] <@bz> though that would actually take some work
1953. # [23:29] <Callek> bz: yea that *sometimes* is easier
1954. # [23:29] <@bz> gkw: which patch version were you dealing with?
1955. # [23:29] <Callek> gkw: you'd hg qpush
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1957. # [23:29] <Callek> but yea I'm no expert with rebase, and I know it can be funky, so I'll defer to bz since he's here
1958. # [23:30] <gkw> bz: dealing with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711843#c126
1959. # [23:30] <gkw> Callek: qpush succeeds
1960. # [23:30] <@bz> hmm
1961. # [23:30] <@bz> odd
1962. # [23:30] <@bz> That postdates the last WEbGLContextGL change I see
1963. # [23:31] <@dolske> write a genetic merge-algorithm that does try pushes... the one philor doesn't have to star will be the good one.
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1966. # [23:31] <@bz> dolske: s/will/may/
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1968. # [23:31] <@bz> gkw: one sec
1969. # [23:32] <@bz> oh
1970. # [23:32] <@bz> bjacob landed webgl stuff on inbound earlier today
1971. # [23:33] * @bz has no idea whether that's relevant
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1977. # [23:38] <gkw> bz: so i have a .rej file, how should i try to repair the chunk?
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2004. # [23:55] <jfkthame> RyanVM: looks like you have bustage on inbound :(
2005. # [23:56] <RyanVM> backed out
2006. # [23:56] <jfkthame> great - that was quick!
2007. # [23:56] <RyanVM> service with a smile :)
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2011. # [23:58] <WG9s> can any of you fix my linux 3.3 kernel issue this quickly?
2012. # [23:58] * Quits: Matti (chatzilla@moz-C5AA0635.dip.t-dialin.net) (Client exited)
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2014. # Session Close: Sun Apr 22 00:00:00 2012

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