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1. # Session Start: Sun Apr 22 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:01] <jfkthame> sure - just reformat and install windows :P
4. # [00:02] <RyanVM> gkw: I usually just open the .rej file and manually try to fix up whatever's broken
5. # [00:03] <RyanVM> i don't mess with rebase
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7. # [00:05] <bsmith> Should I worried about returning nsnull from a function with return type already_AddRefed<T>?
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10. # [00:07] <WG9s> RyanVM: sounds like what I normally do.
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13. # [00:10] <WG9s> RyanVM: I have a lot of patches I include inmy daily builds, but I do this by checking out mozilla-central at for the rev that is done for the nightly and then apply all of my patches on top of that so that I make sure my patches will apply to cuurent mozilla-central.
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16. # [00:10] <bsmith> Should I worried about returning nsnull from a function with return type already_AddRefed<T>?
17. # [00:11] <bsmith> (sorry for the accidental repost)
18. # [00:11] <@smaug> bsmith: no
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20. # [00:11] <bsmith> thanks
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29. # [00:26] <bsmith> is there a shortcut for nsRefPtr<T> x = new whatever; return x.forget(); to return an already_AddRefed<T>?
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33. # [00:30] <biesi> bsmith, I would like return NS_ADDREF(new Foo()); work, but I don't think it does
34. # [00:30] <biesi> although, I also would like NS_ADDREF to disappear
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39. # [00:32] <GPHemsley> Do I need a debug build in order to run xpcshell tests?
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43. # [00:35] <biesi> GPHemsley, no
44. # [00:36] <biesi> it would be unfortunate if we couldn't run tests on the builds that we ship
45. # [00:38] <GPHemsley> biesi: Good point. Where do I find the run-mozilla.sh, then?
46. # [00:38] <biesi> GPHemsley, in dist/bin...
47. # [00:39] <GPHemsley> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPConnect/xpcshell could use some updating :)
48. # [00:39] <biesi> ah, heh
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55. # [00:51] <GPHemsley> biesi: What would be the best way to test bug 672448?
56. # [00:51] <GPHemsley> and what test could I look at for guidance?
57. # [00:53] <GPHemsley> netwerk/test/unit/test_http_headers.js?
58. # [00:53] <biesi> maybe
59. # [00:53] <biesi> sorry, I don't want to think about that today
60. # [00:53] <biesi> can you ask me on monday?
61. # [00:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d3783d4eb1ea - Myk Melez - bug 747394 - empty commit to trigger nightly rebuild on a CLOSED TREE; a=npotb
62. # [00:56] <GPHemsley> biesi: Oh, I was hoping to get it done today in order to make the train. I have other commitments during the week. :/
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64. # [00:56] <biesi> GPHemsley, try someone else in #necko?
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70. # [01:03] <sfink> gkw: ping
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121. # [02:22] <RyanVM> sfink: ping
122. # [02:26] <RyanVM> that is a weird OSX reftest failure
123. # [02:26] <RyanVM> one pixel in the bottom right corner that's off-color for some reason
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129. # [02:32] <RyanVM> i've retriggered the test
130. # [02:32] <RyanVM> we'll see what it does
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141. # [02:51] <philor> is it pink?
142. # [02:52] <philor> mmm, adblock and 256 failures in the reftest analyzer don't go well together
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144. # [02:55] <philor> and continue in the slow script dialog was a very bad choice
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153. # [03:16] <WeirdAl> question on nsDirectoryService (while my code's compiling) - ProgF on 64 bit Windows, does that refer to C:\Program Files, or C:\Program Files (x86) ?
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161. # [03:28] <RyanVM> philor: yes, it was pink
162. # [03:28] <RyanVM> philor: and yes, abp did not like it :P
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165. # [03:30] <philor> not sure whether I filed it like a good boy or not, but we had two of those, probably in March, one on aurora and one on inbound, that I called pink dust on the lens
166. # [03:31] <philor> would have been nice if I had filed it, since then we'd know what slave it was on
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207. # [04:52] <jdm> woo, passing tests
208. # [04:52] <jdm> good feeling
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210. # [04:53] <@bz> gah
211. # [04:53] <@bz> bjacob fixed a bunch of canvasgl crud. :(
212. # [04:53] * @bz mutters
213. # [04:53] <Havvy> And then the tests failed.
214. # [04:54] <@bz> oh?
215. # [04:54] <@bz> did he get backed out?
216. # [04:54] <Havvy> I was making a joke.
217. # [04:54] <@bz> ah
218. # [04:54] <@bz> please don't
219. # [04:55] <@bz> since I'm now merging to all those changes.....
220. # [04:55] <jdm> hmm, should I work on another per-window PB task, or fix up my fast innerHTML getter patch?
221. # [04:55] <jdm> decisions decisions
222. # [04:56] <jdm> I love being done with exams
223. # [04:56] <jdm> I feel so free
224. # [04:56] <@bz> is this done forever, or just done for this term?
225. # [04:57] * @bz notes Emma's response to the above was "I wish I were done with exams. Or at least that they'd just get the problems right so grading were easy!"
226. # [04:58] <@bz> Hunk #106 FAILED at 5808
227. # [04:58] * @bz ponders who will review this patch
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232. # [05:00] <nigelb> jdm: congrats!
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235. # [05:01] <jdm> bz: hopefully done forever
236. # [05:03] <@bz> jdm: congrats. ;)
237. # [05:04] <@bz> 5 files changed, 1984 insertions(+), 1093 deletions(-)
238. # [05:04] * @bz sighs
239. # [05:04] <philor> needs moar -
240. # [05:04] <jdm> there's a red panda in the new avatar tv series :o
241. # [05:04] <@bz> eventually
242. # [05:05] <@bz> philor: this is me adding the new-binding APIs to the WebGL context
243. # [05:05] <@bz> philor: but still keeping the XPCOM goop so we can pref it off if needed
244. # [05:05] <@bz> philor: at some point the XPCOM goop can die
245. # [05:05] <@bz> philor: and life will be good. ;)
246. # [05:06] <@bz> philor: some point == "when we decide we don't need to be able to pref off new bindings for this object anymore"
247. # [05:06] <philor> fun, having to plan for the possibility of having to do a 180 in 12 weeks
248. # [05:06] * @bz doesn't really expect to have to flip this switch
249. # [05:06] <@bz> since this stuff has good tests
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251. # [05:07] <@bz> but the theory is that we're supposed to be able to do this, so....
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289. # [06:31] <WeirdAl> hm, I'd think in an approvals-required phase, it'd be really unlikely to bust the build...
290. # [06:31] <WeirdAl> :p
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312. # [07:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7fda4d02d3ca - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 747394 - empty commit to trigger nightly rebuild on a CLOSED TREE; a=noop
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325. # [07:35] * KWierso will laugh when philor's push turns everything red
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327. # [07:36] <philor> tree r srs bsns!
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329. # [07:37] <KWierso> has a mozillameme been submitted for breaking nightlies for more than a day while the tree is approval-required to prevent breakage?
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332. # [07:39] <WeirdAl> KWierso: it should include Agent Smith from the Matrix
333. # [07:39] <WeirdAl> we haven't seen one of those yet :)
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335. # [07:43] * WeirdAl feels like partying: xulrunner's install-app is on death row now
336. # [07:44] <WeirdAl> (to be replaced with a wee bit of python)
337. # [07:44] <philor> if we have someone doing approvals who is capable of guessing that naming a file application.ini will break nightlies two days later, we really need to get them doing something more valuable with their time than doing approvals
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360. # [08:20] <philor> I spy, with my little eye, a green Mac nightly
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363. # [08:20] <philor> quick, update to it before the next one comes out!
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365. # [08:22] <KWierso> I don't think my Windows 8 installation would appreciate that very much
366. # [08:23] <philor> this is no time for sectarian divisiveness, just update to it
367. # [08:24] <KWierso> and my macbook is all the way on the other side of the room...
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384. # [08:45] <philor> someone with access, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739040 - https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0dd02041e575 please and thanks
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396. # [09:04] <Callek> philor: done
397. # [09:04] <philor> thx
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403. # [09:16] <philor> mmm, yet another unknown unfiled crash that can't possibly be caused by the push that triggered it
404. # [09:16] <philor> must be shippin' time!
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406. # [09:23] <philor> also? I pushed an empty cset, and got 15 failures and counting, must be shippin' time
407. # [09:26] <philor> Orange Factor is probably busted by an integer overflow
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413. # [09:32] <Ms2ger> bz_sleep, I am now :)
414. # [09:35] <WeirdAl> at what point will people say, "Frak it, just back it all out"
415. # [09:35] <WeirdAl> ?
416. # [09:35] <JonathanS> Buck it
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418. # [09:35] <WeirdAl> we've got that mozillameme already :p
419. # [09:36] <JonathanS> WeirdAl, where?
420. # [09:36] <WeirdAl> anytime you see that hunter dude
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422. # [09:37] <JonathanS> WeirdAl, with deer?
423. # [09:37] <WeirdAl> yes
424. # [09:37] <KWierso> chuck testa
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431. # [09:42] <KWierso> philor: in tbpl, what's the difference between "build" and "nightly"?
432. # [09:42] <Ms2ger> Nightly is a nightly ;)
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434. # [09:42] <Ms2ger> As in, we ship it to nightly users
435. # [09:43] <philor> KWierso: "build" is a depend build (unless the slave doesn't have an objdir left from a previous build), "nightly" is a clobber plus update generation
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441. # [09:47] <philor> and plus insistance on getting a fast slave, leading to the amusing way the android nightlies take 17 minutes for a clobber, and the depend builds take 140 or 180 minutes
442. # [09:50] <KWierso> philor: so staying up for another hour and a half for the win opt nightly to finish up would be silly, given it's already a quarter to 3?
443. # [09:51] <Ms2ger> Did you push to m-c? :)
444. # [09:52] <KWierso> no. philor made it seem like it was urgent to get THIS nightly update installed before the following one comes out.
445. # [09:52] <KWierso> unless I completely misinterpreted him, which is entirely possible
446. # [09:52] <philor> heh
447. # [09:52] <philor> not at all urgent
448. # [09:53] <philor> joking about the short time it would exist
449. # [09:54] * philor awards himself one point for keeping someone up late
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454. # [09:57] <Ms2ger> Relevant: http://i.qkme.me/3owmzx.jpg
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467. # [10:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4bd6c048e63a - Serge Gautherie - Bug 747668. (Av1a) XPFE autocomplete.xml: Regroup nsIAutoCompleteInput properties, Fix some nits. r=neil.
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490. # [10:39] <darktrojan> um
491. # [10:39] <darktrojan> isn't m-c approval required?
492. # [10:40] <nigelb> According to topic, yeah.
493. # [10:40] <Ms2ger> It's on the second line
494. # [10:40] <darktrojan> ah
495. # [10:41] <Ms2ger> Hidden next to his DONTBUILD
496. # [10:42] <darktrojan> people really shouldn't do that
497. # [10:42] <darktrojan> or land on m-c
498. # [10:43] <Ms2ger> Nothing wrong with landing on m-c
499. # [10:43] <Ms2ger> Unless you're Serge
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508. # [11:01] <Ms2ger> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2udpem8FB1rqvy12o1_1280.jpg
509. # [11:06] <nigelb> Ms2ger++
510. # [11:06] <philor> cuts down on "oh, sorry, I forgot to address review comments"
511. # [11:07] <Ms2ger> Also, this is one for mconley: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ullaMlIy1rqvy12o1_400.jpg
512. # [11:07] <nigelb> heh.
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535. # [11:58] <NeilAway> heh @ "BrowserID is the fast" - I got a slow login warning
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537. # [12:01] <gcp> I get to have to keep logging into bugzilla when using browserid
538. # [12:01] <gcp> It expires logins daily or wth?
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598. # [13:52] <firebot> dao was last seen 4 days, 12 hours, 25 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying 'NeilAway, Mossop, jimm: the default theme won't necessarily use native theming in all places either' in #developers.
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685. # [16:21] <WG9s> OK. I just starred 3 red issues on one build because one of the ftp.mozilla.org mirror servers seems to be hosed. Shouldn't these be referencing stage.mozilla.org so that such issues on a single mirror site can't result in a red build? Just a thought.
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687. # [16:27] <WG9s> oh and what componenet should i file the bug under?
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691. # [16:34] <WG9s> I filed bug 747747 opn this issue
692. # [16:34] <WG9s> s/opn/on
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733. # [17:42] <Patrick> hi, i am patrick and i am attending an open hatch event and am working on this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745659 (I just asked on #newbies but just asked on this channel)
734. # [17:42] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
735. # [17:42] <Patrick> is there a core api documentation for firefox?
736. # [17:42] <@khuey> hi Patrick
737. # [17:43] <Patrick> hi
738. # [17:43] <@khuey> your best bet for that is to send mail to jlebar
739. # [17:43] <@khuey> firebot: jlebar?
740. # [17:43] <firebot> khuey: well, duh. jlebar is out until Tuesday, January 17, 2012. After that he's back in the mines.
741. # [17:43] <@khuey> er
742. # [17:43] <@khuey> that's unhelpful :-P
743. # [17:43] <nigelb> lol.
744. # [17:43] <@khuey> jlebar can probably point at the relevant stuff
745. # [17:43] <nigelb> Is he Canadian? ;)
746. # [17:44] <@khuey> no
747. # [17:44] <Patrick> thanks for the information
748. # [17:44] <nigelb> Also, openhatch++
749. # [17:45] <nigelb> Patrick: You may want to comment on the bug saying you want to work on it and ask for more info.
750. # [17:45] <nigelb> That way you can stake your claim on it :)
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752. # [17:46] <Patrick> ok.
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764. # [18:11] <Ms2ger> firebot, no, jlebar is Justin Lebar, http://jlebar.com/, justin.lebar@gmail.com
765. # [18:11] <firebot> Ms2ger: ok
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767. # [18:13] <nigelb> firebot: Ms2ger?
768. # [18:13] <firebot> nigelb: hmm... I think Ms2ger is the international man of mystery (Ms2ger@gmail.com)
769. # [18:13] <nigelb> haha. Nice.
770. # [18:13] <Ms2ger> Yes?
771. # [18:13] <nigelb> Ms2ger: Just checking :)
772. # [18:14] <Ms2ger> firebot, nigelb?
773. # [18:14] <firebot> Ms2ger: Sorry, I've no idea what 'nigelb' might be.
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775. # [18:14] <nigelb> :(
776. # [18:14] <nigelb> firebot: nigelb is Nigel Babu, http://nigelb.me/, nigelbabu@gmail.com
777. # [18:14] <firebot> nigelb: ok
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853. # [19:43] <bholley> edmorley: you there?
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855. # [19:43] <edmorley> bholley: yeah
856. # [19:43] <edmorley> how are you? :-)
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858. # [19:44] <bholley> edmorley: great! I'm all moved to France now :-)
859. # [19:44] <bholley> edmorley: got a sec to provide some talos insight?
860. # [19:45] <edmorley> bholley: sure, though I may not know the answer :-)
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862. # [19:46] <bholley> edmorley: so compartment-per-global is just about ready to go. I ran the perf numbers, and here's what I get. The things that jump out at me are the memory footprint increase (which we understand and have a solution for), and the 3% dromaeo CSS regression (which I think is acceptable). I know other things are noisy, and that there are lots of reasons not to trust the numbers that I get on try. But I was wondering if you
863. # [19:46] <bholley> and tell me if there's anything else that might be real that I should be worried about:
864. # [19:46] <bholley> http://perf.snarkfest.net/compare-talos/index.html?oldRevs=20892516ccc7&newRev=8f2994ea0f7b&tests=a11y,tdhtml,tdhtml_nochrome,a11y_paint,tdhtml_paint,tdhtml_nochrome_paint,tp4,tp4_memset,tp4_pbytes,tp4_rss,tp4_shutdown,tp4_xres,tp4m,tp4m_content_rss,tp4m_main_rss,tp4m_main_rss_nochrome,tp4m_nochrome,tp4m_shutdown,tp4m_shutdown_nochrome,tp5r,tp5r_memset,tp5r_pbytes,tp5r_rss,tp5r_shutdown,tp5r_xres,tp5r_paint,tp5r_memset_p
865. # [19:46] <bholley> pu_paint,tp5r_modlistbytes_paint,tp5r_rss_paint,tp5r_shutdown_paint,tp5r_xres_paint,dromaeo_basics,dromaeo_css,dromaeo_dom,dromaeo_jslib,dromaeo_sunspider,dromaeo_v8,tsspider,tsspider_nochrome,tsspider_paint,tsspider_nochrome_paint,v8,tgfx,tgfx_nochrome,tgfx_paint,tgfx_nochrome_paint,tscroll,tsvg,tsvg_opacity,tzoom,ts,ts_paint,ts_cold,ts_cold_generated_max,ts_cold_generated_max_shutdown,ts_cold_generated_med,ts_cold_gene
866. # [19:46] <bholley> rated_min,ts_cold_generated_min_shutdown,ts_cold_shutdown,ts_places_generated_max,ts_places_generated_max_shutdown,ts_places_generated_med,ts_places_generated_med_shutdown,ts_places_generated_min,ts_places_generated_min_shutdown,ts_shutdown,twinopen,tpaint&submit=true
867. # [19:47] <@smaug> bholley: um
868. # [19:47] * Ms2ger whacks bholley
869. # [19:47] <Ms2ger> Spammer ;)
870. # [19:47] <bholley> Ms2ger: I probably should have bit.ly-ed it
871. # [19:48] <@smaug> 3% regression ?
872. # [19:48] <philor> just drop the testnames from it, then you get all of them
873. # [19:49] <bholley> smaug: on some platforms, from dromaeo css
874. # [19:49] <bholley> philor: ah, ok
875. # [19:49] * bholley would be curious about philor's thoughts too
876. # [19:49] <@smaug> doesn't sound acceptable to me, unless we have a plan to fix that regression, or if cpg gives perf boost elsewhere
877. # [19:49] <nigelb> oh wow.
878. # [19:50] <nigelb> Doesn't beat Callek though.
879. # [19:50] <bholley> smaug: cross-compartment wrappers will get faster once we land it
880. # [19:50] <bholley> smaug: and do some followup work
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882. # [19:52] <bholley> smaug: can you talk to bz, jst, et al about this? I feel like there's a disconnect between you guys on this that I'm caught in the middle of
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884. # [19:53] <bholley> my understanding is that they want to go through with this, even if incurs a mild performance hit
885. # [19:54] <@smaug> bholley: I'm just worried that we cause perf regressions which don't ever get fixed
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888. # [19:55] <@smaug> bholley: in this case if bz is ok with the regression, I wouldn't complain
889. # [19:55] <@smaug> 3% just sounds quite huge to me
890. # [19:56] <bholley> smaug: I don't think it's so much that there's a specific regression here that's going to be fixed later on. It's that the architectural improvement here will allow for a lot of other performance improvements down the line which will outweigh it (for example, simplifying principal stuff), and security improvements
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892. # [19:56] <bholley> smaug: I'll certainly check with bz on the precise numbers that he's comfortable with, though
893. # [19:57] <bholley> smaug: and I'll profile it to make sure that the slowdown is really in cross-compartment wrapper code and not something silly
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898. # [19:59] <edmorley> bholley: I'm not as used to reading compare-talos as say graphs-new (I rarely have to deal with comparing try runs), but tpaint & Tp4 Shutdown don't look too healthy perhaps? I've tried to look up the noise of those on graphs, but graphs seems unable to load any data sets (incl m-c). philor, thoughts?
899. # [19:59] <fabrice> smaug: can you take a look at the event patch in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715814#c9 ?
900. # [19:59] <@smaug> fabrice: Part 3 ?
901. # [20:00] <fabrice> smaug: yes!
902. # [20:00] * philor thinks talos makes our intermittent test failures look good by comparison
903. # [20:00] <bholley> edmorley: yeah, that's what the results say. I've just historically noticed a disconnect between massive regression-looking-things on try and what actually appears on d-t-m
904. # [20:01] <fabrice> smaug: also, mounir said I should use WINDOW_EVENT
905. # [20:01] <bholley> especially shutdown
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907. # [20:01] <@smaug> fabrice: where is this event dispatched?
908. # [20:01] <philor> how many times did you retrigger talos on each of those pushes?
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910. # [20:02] <fabrice> smaug: on the window
911. # [20:02] <bholley> philor: none
912. # [20:02] <edmorley> ah
913. # [20:02] <philor> bholley: the regression emails are looking at 30 runs before, and 5 runs after, because talos is... unreliable
914. # [20:02] <bholley> philor: ah, ok
915. # [20:03] <bholley> ok, well I guess we can just land it and see what happens
916. # [20:03] <bholley> it's a small patch, since everything landed underneath
917. # [20:03] <@smaug> fabrice: why onmozactivity isn't not then in nsIDOMWindow.idl?
918. # [20:03] <philor> why we bother running something 1/5th as much as we need to to get reliable numbers is a fine question
919. # [20:03] * edmorley goes off to retrigger a few
920. # [20:04] <@smaug> fabrice: also, the patch misses the interface for the event
921. # [20:04] <@smaug> ah, perhaps it is in Part 1
922. # [20:05] <fabrice> smaug: the interface is in part 1 (IDL). I though adding to nsIInlineEventHandlers.idl was enough
923. # [20:05] <@smaug> fabrice: don't add scriptable init*Event methods to new events
924. # [20:05] <fabrice> smaug: yep, I will remove that
925. # [20:05] <@smaug> fabrice: if you add onfoo to nsIInlineEventHandlers, it gets added to many places, not only to window
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927. # [20:06] <@smaug> fabrice: what are postResult/postError ?
928. # [20:06] <fabrice> smaug: we want to let users to <body onmozactivity="...">
929. # [20:06] <@smaug> oh, hmm
930. # [20:06] <fabrice> postResult/postError allow the event receiver to send back data to a DOMRequest
931. # [20:07] <@smaug> fabrice: nsIDOMWindow should still be the right thing
932. # [20:07] <@smaug> "HTML5 event attributes that only apply to windows and <body>/<frameset>"
933. # [20:08] <@smaug> fabrice: ok, seems like I don't understand this API at all
934. # [20:08] <fabrice> ok... I need to go, can you comment in the bug? This means I need to augment the html5 parser as well?
935. # [20:08] <@smaug> no
936. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> What makes you think that?
937. # [20:08] <@smaug> you just add onfoo attributes to nsIDOMWindow
938. # [20:08] <@smaug> fabrice: so, why do you need postResult/Error?
939. # [20:09] <@smaug> the event gets request in the init
940. # [20:09] <@smaug> couldn't it just have .request property
941. # [20:09] <fabrice> smaug: maybe... the API is still in flux
942. # [20:10] <fabrice> currently the caller do : req = startActivity(...); then we fire an activityevent and let the receiver send data back to req
943. # [20:10] <@smaug> fabrice: it is very strange to have that kinds of methods in an event interface
944. # [20:11] <fabrice> smaug: say that to mounir ;)
945. # [20:11] * @smaug kicks mounir then :)
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949. # [20:12] <bholley> smaug: do you know how to run just one dromaeo test?
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954. # [20:14] <@smaug> I used to know...
955. # [20:14] <@smaug> can't remember now
956. # [20:15] <bholley> smaug: ah, figured it out
957. # [20:15] <bholley> smaug: there's no link to it, but if you do http://dromaeo.com/?cssquery-prototype , the test runner will do the right thing
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959. # [20:17] <@smaug> ah, right
960. # [20:17] <@smaug> dromaeo isn't particularly implementor friendly thing
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967. # [20:33] <RyanVM> when you request pgo builds through Try self-serve, should those pending builds appear on tbpl or self-serve?
968. # [20:33] <RyanVM> or do they just magically appear when they complete?
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970. # [20:36] <Patrick> Hi, I submitted a patch to: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745659 (does it seem that I followed your guidelines? Thanks.)
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972. # [20:36] <jdm> score one for profiling
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974. # [20:37] * jdm likes shark sometimes
975. # [20:37] <@bz_sleep> Patrick: looks pretty reasonable at first glance
976. # [20:37] <Patrick> great. thanks.
977. # [20:37] <philor> RyanVM: my guess would be "they just magically never appear, or run"
978. # [20:37] <Ms2ger> Morning, bz_sleep
979. # [20:37] <@bz_sleep> Patrick: has a commit message and a User line and a review request. ;)
980. # [20:37] <RyanVM> philor: heh
981. # [20:37] <@bz_sleep> Ms2ger: afternoon. ;)
982. # [20:37] <jdm> Patrick: you requested review and included a commit message in the patch file. well done!
983. # [20:37] <Ms2ger> You were looking for me yesterday? :)
984. # [20:37] <RyanVM> philor: my recollection is that they just randomly show up on tbpl when they finish building
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986. # [20:38] <@bz_sleep> jdm: ?
987. # [20:38] <philor> I think self-serve can only trigger PGO on branches that do periodic PGO, and that on try you have to force it with a change to the in-tree mozconfig
988. # [20:38] <@bz_sleep> ms2ger: I was going to respond to something you said ....
989. # [20:38] <jdm> bz_sleep: if you're asking about the shark thing, profiling my serializer changes is going well. shark itself can be finnicky, though.
990. # [20:38] <@bz_sleep> ms2ger: but it wasn't that important, I assume; I no longer remember the details
991. # [20:38] <@bz_sleep> jdm: ah
992. # [20:38] <philor> periodic PGO magically appears, because it doesn't set a revision and just triggers on the tip, but manually trigger PGO appears immediately on non-try branches
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994. # [20:38] <jdm> and the analyzing step takes soooooo long.
995. # [20:39] <@bz_sleep> jdm: ah, so
996. # [20:39] <@bz_sleep> jdm: strip -S ../obj-firefox-opt/toolkit/library/XUL
997. # [20:39] <Ms2ger> Maybe about Maybe<TypedArray<int32_t>>
998. # [20:39] <@bz_sleep> jdm: if you want that step to be faster
999. # [20:39] <@bz_sleep> jdm: if you do that you can't get per-line source symbols, iirc
1000. # [20:39] <@bz_sleep> jdm: but everything else should work fine
1001. # [20:40] <jdm> good to know
1002. # [20:40] <@bz_sleep> jdm: and it won't involve pilotfish analyzing all the source symbols for libxul
1003. # [20:40] <@bz_sleep> jdm: which is the slow part. ;)
1004. # [20:40] <jdm> I don't think I'm getting per-line symbols right now, but I might just be confused about the data being presented
1005. # [20:40] <jdm> maybe it's the combination of optimize and debug symbols
1006. # [20:40] <@bz_sleep> jdm: if you double-click a function
1007. # [20:40] <RyanVM> philor: ah, that's right
1008. # [20:40] <RyanVM> guess I'll need to do another push then
1009. # [20:40] <@bz_sleep> jdm: there should be a view that shows per-instruction and per-line info
1010. # [20:40] <@bz_sleep> jdm: with three views: source, assembly, both
1011. # [20:41] <@bz_sleep> jdm: if you strip, you can only get assembly in that view
1012. # [20:41] <@bz_sleep> jdm: usually that view is not that necessary
1013. # [20:41] <jdm> ah, I did not know this
1014. # [20:41] <jdm> thanks
1015. # [20:41] <@bz_sleep> jdm: no problem
1016. # [20:41] <jdm> uh oh
1017. # [20:41] <jdm> I double clicked an old view while analyzing new data
1018. # [20:41] <jdm> shark is unhappy with me
1019. # [20:41] <@bz_sleep> doh
1020. # [20:42] <@bz_sleep> oh, it's analyzing a new profile
1021. # [20:42] <@bz_sleep> yeah, might just need some time to wake up then....
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1023. # [20:42] <@bz_sleep> btw, the other nice thing with the strip approach
1024. # [20:42] <jdm> ugh, I wish I could figure out where to start investigating to figure out the problem of zombie tabs in the FF UI :/
1025. # [20:42] <@bz_sleep> is that if you do discover the symbols all you have to do is quit, rm libxul, relink
1026. # [20:42] <@bz_sleep> and then reprofile, now waiting for the long analyzis
1027. # [20:43] <jdm> oh, neat
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1029. # [20:45] <jdm> I bet smaug's idea of creating an array of strings and doing one big fallible allocation at the end is the best strategy here
1030. # [20:45] <@bz_sleep> so I just always strip libxul as part of my alias for doing opt builds
1031. # [20:45] <jdm> SetCapacity is taking 8% of the time
1032. # [20:46] <@bz_sleep> mmm
1033. # [20:46] * @bz_sleep ponders
1034. # [20:46] <@bz_sleep> do you have to mutate data?
1035. # [20:46] <@bz_sleep> or are you just concatenating things from the DOM?
1036. # [20:46] <jdm> bz_sleep: I have to escape some characters from certain nodes
1037. # [20:47] <@bz_sleep> ah
1038. # [20:47] <jdm> the rest is just concatenating
1039. # [20:47] <@bz_sleep> that sucks
1040. # [20:47] <jdm> yes
1041. # [20:47] <@bz_sleep> precludes building an array of string pointest to existing strings or something
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1043. # [20:47] <jdm> I'm trying a preprocessing pass that checks if any mutation is necessary and overallocates if it is
1044. # [20:47] <jdm> it seems to have been useful
1045. # [20:48] * @bz_sleep can't believe how much rocket science strings still are
1046. # [20:48] <@bz_sleep> in general, not just in our code
1047. # [20:48] <jdm> ack, my barbershop quartet is singing in 5 minutes
1048. # [20:48] * jdm needs to get dressed
1049. # [20:49] <nigelb> barbershop quartet? wow.
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1055. # [20:56] <NeilAway> smaug: Instead of kicking mounir, I just use Ms2ger--, much simpler all around ;-)
1056. # [20:56] <@smaug> :)
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1067. # [21:06] <Ms2ger> mounir--
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1075. # [21:12] <ferongr> I've been having audio issues on win32 for the past few win32 nightlies (audio is crackling like when you have buffer underruns constantly). Ran mozregression and came up with pushlog http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=fd06332733e5&tochange=c61e7c3a232a
1076. # [21:12] <ferongr> known issue or should I file a bug?
1077. # [21:12] <ferongr> (last good: 20120416 first bad: 20120417)
1078. # [21:13] <Ms2ger> kinetik, ^
1079. # [21:13] <edmorley> bholley: results look a bit clearer now the retriggers are coming through
1080. # [21:14] * bholley looks
1081. # [21:15] <ferongr> suspected: Bug 742154 - Work around media crashtest hangs in cubeb_winmm.c
1082. # [21:16] * NeilAway wonders whether that was in response to smaug's kick or my lack of quoting
1083. # [21:17] <bholley> edmorley: ok, so the tpaint thing may be real?
1084. # [21:17] <NeilAway> bz: when you write -moz-tree-row(odd, selected) in a CSS rule, is there a name for the list of words in side the parens, such as pseudoproperties?
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1087. # [21:19] <Fallen> NeilAway: atoms?
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1089. # [21:20] <edmorley> bholley: yes I think so (on the plus side, tp4_shutdown now looks fine)
1090. # [21:20] <bholley> edmorley: hm, ok. What does tpaint measure? Is it a startup thing?
1091. # [21:20] <NeilAway> Fallen: that's an internal implementation detail
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1093. # [21:23] <edmorley> bholley: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos#Paint_Tests is about as much as I know at the moment
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1095. # [21:23] <bholley> edmorley: ok, thanks :-)
1096. # [21:23] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, components?
1097. # [21:23] <Ms2ger> Arguments?
1098. # [21:24] <edmorley> bholley: #ateam might be best bet
1099. # [21:24] <bholley> bz_sleep: yt?
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1101. # [21:27] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: I'm looking for a CSS jargon sort of name
1102. # [21:27] <Ms2ger> CSS arguments?
1103. # [21:27] <NeilAway> now you're just not listening
1104. # [21:27] <NeilAway> Ms2ger--
1105. # [21:28] <Ms2ger> Function arguments would be what those are usually called
1106. # [21:28] <Ms2ger> mounir--
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1119. # [21:38] <Callek> nigelb: ?
1120. # [21:38] <nigelb> Callek: long link :P
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1122. # [21:38] <Callek> o right :-)
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1129. # [21:48] <askalski> hi
1130. # [21:48] <askalski> short question
1131. # [21:48] <askalski> how to rebuild a single subdirectory of mozilla-central?
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1133. # [21:48] <askalski> just give me a command
1134. # [21:49] <padenot> askalski: make -C objdir/..../directory
1135. # [21:49] <askalski> padenot, like make -C objdir/accessible ?
1136. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> Yup
1137. # [21:49] <padenot> askalski: note that you might want to issue make -C objdir/toolkit/library after that to put you changes into libxul
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1140. # [21:50] <askalski> padenot, Ms2ger, thanks
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1142. # [21:54] <jdm> I enjoy that mozillamemes has been cited in multiple STR for different fennec bugs
1143. # [21:55] <dwarfcrank> What's an STR?
1144. # [21:56] <ferongr> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/21375669546/and-more-secure-and-faster citing this in Windows-oriented technology forums always gives great reactions
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1147. # [21:59] <askalski> padenot, yeah, I am doing that, thanks
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1159. # [22:09] <jdm> dwarfcrank: steps to reproduce
1160. # [22:10] <jdm> ferongr: what kind of reactions?
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1162. # [22:11] <ferongr> teary-eyed "I know what's good for me" rambling
1163. # [22:11] <jdm> heh
1164. # [22:12] <RyanVM> philor: Is there a bug for talos xpcshell timeouts? (non-android)
1165. # [22:14] <philor> doesn't sound familiar
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1167. # [22:16] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11088510&tree=Mozilla-Aurora
1168. # [22:18] <RyanVM> philor: also, I know I've seen this one before: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11105970&tree=Mozilla-Aurora
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1180. # [22:29] <@smaug> no, not fare. My change triggers a leak, but only if a certain set of tests are run in certain order
1181. # [22:30] <@khuey> ha
1182. # [22:30] <@khuey> just reorder hte tests :-P
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1189. # [22:36] <philor> RyanVM: oh, those. I didn't think they were worth bothering with, a single timeout on aurora in an xpcshell test that's never timed out before, and a busted and useless stack from an android mochitest crash that could have been anywhere, including actually being android itself crashing
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1191. # [22:37] <RyanVM> philor: I ended up filing them since I've seen both before and ignored them. The libdvm.so crash has another bug filed for the general non-test case. I marked it as blocking the orange bug.
1192. # [22:38] * RyanVM has been getting a lot of tbpl load errors lately
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1202. # [22:50] <jdm> smaug: I'm worried that keeping an array of strings for the serializer to append leads to far more copying
1203. # [22:50] <jdm> we lose the ability to benefit from nsDependentString, for one thing
1204. # [22:50] <jdm> I think I was seeing better performance before I switched to this
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1206. # [22:50] <@smaug> jdm: hmm
1207. # [22:51] <@smaug> jdm: where do you use dependentstring?
1208. # [22:51] <jdm> although I've only converted StartElement right now; I could see how it looks with only a single append at the very end of serialization
1209. # [22:51] <@smaug> for atoms we could store atom in the array
1210. # [22:51] <jdm> smaug: attribute values, tag names, etc.
1211. # [22:51] <@smaug> somehow the array could store string and/or atom
1212. # [22:52] <jdm> worth a try
1213. # [22:52] <@smaug> the whole reason for this thing is performance
1214. # [22:52] <jdm> yep
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1216. # [22:52] <jdm> I'll get some baseline times for non-array for comparison
1217. # [22:52] <@smaug> the current serializer uses a large stringbuffer
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1219. # [22:53] <@smaug> and then at the end of serialization copies the string to the outbuffer
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1221. # [22:55] <kinetik> ferongr: file a bug please, cc me
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1223. # [22:56] <ferongr> allright
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1230. # [22:59] <ferongr> kinetik: would a dxdiag report attached as a textfile be any extra help?
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1233. # [23:00] <kinetik> ferongr: it wouldn't hurt
1234. # [23:00] <kinetik> thanks
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1242. # [23:07] <ferongr> done
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1246. # [23:10] <edmorley> How do I change the email address used by mozillians.org?
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1263. # [23:29] <bsmith> I see that in mfbt/Scoped.h we have replacements for nsAutoPtr and friends. Is there a reason that Scoped<T> doesn't need a way of preventing "copy construction via conversion operators" in the same way that nsAutoPtr<T>::Ptr is designed to do?
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