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# Session Start: Wed Apr 25 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <bent> all the time?
# [00:00] <mak> yes
# [00:00] <bent> i thought we were trying to minimize ui, not add more
# [00:00] <mak> the current behavior is to hide it when there is nothing interesting to do with it
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# [00:01] <mak> not sure what will be the final decision, you may ask me again tomorrow at this time :)
# [00:01] <timeless> mak: the definition of interesting needs work
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# [00:01] <timeless> i used open-with for two items
# [00:01] <timeless> and it seems to think that those are interesting
# [00:01] <timeless> i disagree
# [00:01] <bent> mak, is there anyone i can bribe?
# [00:01] <mak> bent: someone in the ux team, I suppose :)
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# [00:02] <mak> timeless: what do you mean?
# [00:02] <timeless> it's not hidden
# [00:02] <timeless> the last n things i downloaded were "open with" not "save to disk"
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# [00:02] <timeless> so i expect it to be hidden, but it isn't
# [00:03] <timeless> it's /vaguely/ ok that it was showing progress while they were downloading
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# [00:03] <dholbert> jviereck, haven't touched it for a while, but maybe I can remember. :) [taking a look at your post]
# [00:03] <timeless> but once they were done, or certainly once i've clicked on it, it should scurry away
# [00:03] <jviereck> dholbert: thanks! I need to get some sleep (it's around midnight here)… hope that's all right for you :/
# [00:04] <mak> timeless: adding a note about that for discussion
# [00:04] <dholbert> jviereck, sure, no worries -- we can check in tomorrow maybe
# [00:04] <timeless> thanks
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# [00:05] <jviereck> dholbert: if you come up with something, might leave a note in the layout-discussion. Roc might take a look at it otherwise as well
# [00:05] <jviereck> but if it's more complicated and easier to get solved on IRC, see you tomorrow then :)
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# [00:06] <dholbert> jviereck, I might not remember that code well enough to be useful, but I'll reply on the thread if I can help
# [00:06] <timeless> mak: also, the find button icon is too small
# [00:06] <timeless> it should be as large as the current downloads button
# [00:06] <dholbert> jviereck, [partway through reading the post]
# [00:06] <dholbert> jviereck, sleep well!
# [00:06] <mak> timeless: there's already a bug on that icon
# [00:06] <timeless> it's currently about half the size of my mouse cursor
# [00:06] <jviereck> dholbert: thx!
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# [00:06] <timeless> oh good :)
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# [00:07] <bjacob> bz: i have officially started your 261 k review :)
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# [00:08] <bjacob> it's a good occasion to reread all of the webgl implementation :)
# [00:09] <ajuma> bjacob: 261 k? for some reason when you said this i heard "261 patches" :)
# [00:09] <bjacob> ajuma: that would be gross too
# [00:09] <biesi> is there ever a good occasion to reread all of webgl? :-)
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# [00:14] <@khuey> heh
# [00:14] <@khuey> even HN is full of trolls
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# [00:14] <sstangl> "even"
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# [00:15] <@khuey> half the comments in the firefox 12 thing are about version numbers
# [00:15] <@khuey> sstangl: fair point
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# [00:21] <jtcranmer> I think the version number maelstrom will get reall fun when we get to Firefox 13
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# [00:21] <rclick> jtcranmer, why 13 specifically?
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# [00:21] <jtcranmer> 13 is unlucky in Western culture
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# [00:22] <jhammel> well, Christian cultures especially
# [00:22] <jet> khuey: what is the bug# for backing out -moz-border-image?
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# [00:23] <@khuey> jet: 713643
# [00:23] <jet> khuey: thx
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# [00:24] <jtcranmer> jhammel: it's enough for many buildings to omit a floor 13
# [00:24] <jhammel> jtcranmer: i once worked in one of those buildings ;)
# [00:25] <jtcranmer> I lived on floor 4 of a 13-story building once
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# [00:25] <@khuey> jtcranmer: good thing you're not half chinese :-P
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# [00:34] <RyanVM> joe: can you rs bug 745178?
# [00:34] <joe> RyanVM: rs=me
# [00:34] <RyanVM> thanks :)
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# [00:36] <taras> jlebar: ping
# [00:36] <jlebar> taras, ack
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# [00:37] <taras> jlebar: i'm a bit concerned with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500791#c19
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# [00:37] * jlebar looks
# [00:37] <taras> i'm guessing that's image allocations or something?
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# [00:38] <jlebar> taras, The only things which MADV_DONTNEED that I know of are the JS GC and jemalloc.
# [00:38] <@khuey> what does that even mean?
# [00:38] <@khuey> we don't MADV_DONTNEED stuff that isn't freed
# [00:38] <jlebar> khuey, He ran strace and saw a lot of madvise calls.
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# [00:38] <jlebar> That's all it means. :)
# [00:39] <@khuey> heh
# [00:39] <jlebar> taras, there's no evidence here that this is what's causing his slowdown. Not to suggest that it isn't.
# [00:39] <WG9s> mbrubeck: I will at least post the window givin by this nightly works next day does not in a few minutes. Tomorrow I might actually ahve time to do an hg bisect on this
# [00:39] <taras> jlebar: it's just evidence of memory churn
# [00:40] <jlebar> taras, It's how our allocators free memory back to the OS, yes.
# [00:40] <jlebar> taras, Now, perhaps we're being aggressive and freeing back to the OS too often.
# [00:40] <jlebar> That's certainly possible.
# [00:40] <taras> jlebar: so i'm guessing this is because we are flushing decoded images
# [00:41] <taras> to make room for new ones
# [00:41] <jlebar> Oh, I see. That's possible.
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# [00:41] <jlebar> But again, there's no evidence here that this is causing a slowdown.
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# [00:42] <taras> jlebar: i agree, i'm also saying this could use investigating
# [00:42] <jlebar> taras, We can do a test to see if it's images.
# [00:43] <taras> go on
# [00:43] <jlebar> taras, (Much more likely is the sync decode of images that's slowing him down.)
# [00:43] <akeybl> dcamp: haven't seen gcp online to land the backouts - do you think anybody else would be able to?
# [00:43] <taras> jlebar: how is that different from "images"
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# [00:43] <jlebar> taras, Just increase image.mem.max_decoded_image_kb to a large value. I already bumped it from 50 to 256 mb a few days ago.
# [00:43] <jlebar> taras, So this guy's complaint is about madvise.
# [00:44] <jlebar> taras, That's *freeing* images.
# [00:44] <jlebar> taras, "memory churn" as you put it.
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# [00:44] <jlebar> taras, But a much more likely cause of jank is *decoding* images synchronously.
# [00:44] <jlebar> Completely unrelated to madvise.
# [00:44] <taras> jlebar: because they were bumped out of the cache
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# [00:44] <jlebar> taras, Sure, yes. That's why I bumped max_decoded_image_kb to 250mb.
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# [00:45] <jlebar> taras, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746055
# [00:45] <jlebar> taras, We have a plan to fix this. In fact, khuey had the breakthrough we've been waiting for this afternoon.
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# [00:46] <taras> jlebar: in a related vein, have we looked into using discardable memory on osx/
# [00:46] <taras> for image cache
# [00:46] <taras> it's likely we'll get a similar feature on linux/b2g/android
# [00:46] <taras> apparently chrome does it
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# [00:47] <taras> ie something like https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Cocoa/Reference/NSCache_Class/Reference/Reference.html (i dont have a better link to underlying vm feature handy)
# [00:47] <jlebar> taras, If you file a bug, we can look into it sometime.
# [00:47] <taras> i'll take that as a no
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# [00:47] <jlebar> taras, We have some big-ticket imagelib changes in the pipeline, fwiw.
# [00:48] <edmorley> blassey_: xul bustage on inbound
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# [00:50] <RyanVM> blassey_: y u break android?
# [00:50] <blassey_> RyanVM: y u not break android?
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# [00:50] <RyanVM> blassey_: http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19498220636/try-server-takes-the-beatings-so-mozilla-inbound ;)
# [00:50] <RyanVM> :P
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# [00:51] <jlebar> taras, Worries allayed?
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# [00:51] <taras> jlebar: nope
# [00:52] <taras> jlebar: just have more food for thought now
# [00:52] <taras> jlebar: i'm really concerned about our tab-switching perf
# [00:52] <jlebar> taras, Well, let me know if I can cook something for you. :)
# [00:52] <blassey_> edmorley: pushing a fix
# [00:52] <taras> jlebar: but i dont know of all the things that go into changing tab perf hit
# [00:52] <edmorley> blassey_: cool, thanks :-)
# [00:53] <jlebar> taras, Once we fix sync decode, it'll be a lot better.
# [00:53] <taras> jlebar: so in the upcoming perfect world
# [00:53] <taras> when you switch to a tab, what happens
# [00:53] <taras> does it draw content first and images appear as they are ready?
# [00:54] <jlebar> taras, Well, wrt images, instead of sync-decoding all images which are less than 150kb compressed, we sync decode for some small amount of time, then asynchronously decode the rest, if it's not finished.
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# [00:54] <taras> jlebar: by sync decode you mean main thread decodes until it ran for too long?
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# [00:55] <@khuey> long term I think we should consider not painting until all images in the viewport have decoded, or some fixed amount of time has elapsed
# [00:55] <taras> or that it only waits for a fixed amount of time for background thread
# [00:55] <blassey_> https://gist.github.com/31cd66aada00d4507a34
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# [00:55] <@khuey> for switching back to a tab
# [00:55] <blassey_> anyone know what that is?
# [00:55] <jlebar> taras, All image decoding is done on the main thread atm.
# [00:55] <jlebar> So "sync decode" means "nothing happens while this image is decoded"
# [00:55] <taras> right
# [00:56] <blassey_> edmorley: apparently I can't push right now
# [00:56] <gkw> i have a problem pulling from hg
# [00:56] <blassey_> can you push this fix for me? https://gist.github.com/39197a83d71b51a9bfcf
# [00:56] <jlebar> taras, So by "sync decode" I mean "main thread decodes".
# [00:56] <taras> ok
# [00:56] <jlebar> taras, But not "main thread decodes until it ran for too long"
# [00:56] <jlebar> taras, "main thread decodes until it ran for too long" is "async" in imagelib parlance.
# [00:56] <gkw> blassey_: i'm having pulling/pushing issues too
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# [00:57] <taras> jlebar: sorry, i'm confused what async means
# [00:57] <taras> is async still main thread?
# [00:57] <jlebar> taras, yes.
# [00:57] <@khuey> everything is main thread
# [00:57] <taras> oh ok
# [00:57] <taras> gotcha
# [00:57] <@khuey> async means we chunk the work
# [00:57] <@khuey> into small pieces
# [00:57] <@khuey> sync means we decode until we run out of data
# [00:57] <taras> yeah that still sucks :)
# [00:57] <@khuey> gal wrote a patch for off main thread image decoding
# [00:57] <@khuey> don't think anyone has looked at it
# [00:58] <@khuey> (this was like a week and a half ago)
# [00:58] <taras> it could be nice with OFTC
# [00:58] <edmorley> blassey_: sure
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# [00:58] <Waldo> umm, what?!?! http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1594764
# [00:58] <taras> jlebar: what about work to only decode visible images?
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# [00:58] <jlebar> taras, blocked on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689623
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# [00:59] <jlebar> taras, jet spent some time working on it, but I don't know if he's going to drive it to completion.
# [00:59] <jlebar> taras, tn has no time atm.
# [00:59] <@khuey> Waldo: everyone is seeing it
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# [00:59] <jlebar> taras, Note that we filed this bug six months ago.
# [00:59] <gkw> i filed blocker bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748588
# [01:00] <taras> jlebar: ok
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# [01:01] <nemo> http://www.itworld.com/software/266362/whats-fastest-browser-maybe-youre-measuring-wrong?page=0,2
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# [01:01] <jet> jlebar: taras: bug 689623 needs more work after roc had a look at the design. it will come after fenec beta
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# [01:02] <Waldo> khuey: bug?
# [01:02] <edmorley> blassey_: bah humbug: no suitable response from remote hg
# [01:02] <taras> jet: is that a week from now?
# [01:03] <gkw> edmorley: anybody having pulling / pushing issues to/from hg over SSH: bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748588
# [01:03] <@khuey> Waldo: ^
# [01:03] <jet> taras: we'll start on it again then, assuming we get fennec out as planned
# [01:03] <@khuey> taras: its a week from a week before fennec beta
# [01:03] <@khuey> ;-)
# [01:03] <blassey_> edmorley: that's what I'm seeing
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# [01:04] <taras> khuey: not helping :)
# [01:04] <Waldo> gkw, khuey: gentlemen and scholars
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# [01:04] <jet> nemo: nice link…cross-posting on #memshrink
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# [01:05] <RyanVM> edmorley: want me to push?
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# [01:05] <RyanVM> or attempt anyway
# [01:05] <Waldo> push...if you can
# [01:06] <Waldo> (not serious)
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# [01:06] <edmorley> RyanVM: yeah sure (with headers: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1594797)
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# [01:07] <edmorley> gkw: thanks, think I'll just call it a night now
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# [01:09] <RyanVM> wfm
# [01:09] <nemo> jet: "Even though the browser froze up for five seconds during our 15-tab test" huh. wonder what those sites were he was testing w/
# [01:09] <RyanVM> dunno why :P
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# [01:10] <RyanVM> ...except I pushed an empty changeset
# [01:10] <RyanVM> sigh
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# [01:11] <edmorley> RyanVM: apparently hg ssh change reverted fixed it
# [01:11] <RyanVM> pushed for real now
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# [01:13] <gkw> ssh change verified fixed :)
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# [01:15] <espindola> is there a way to call DumpJSStack from javascript?
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# [01:17] <Mook_as> espindola: ctypes? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1594837
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# [01:18] <espindola> Mook_as, nice
# [01:18] <espindola> thanks
# [01:18] <Mook_as> now, I don't know how likely that is to crash... :D
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# [01:19] <espindola> :-)
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# [01:21] <taras> jlebar|food: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748598
# [01:21] <taras> espindola: also new Error().stack
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# [01:22] <espindola> taras, thanks
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# [01:27] <Waldo> ugh
# [01:27] <Waldo> looking
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# [01:28] <Waldo> fix anon, sigh
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# [01:38] <Waldo> have a fix which does fine on 64-bit, cobbling together a 32-bit build to test that before pushing the fix
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# [01:43] <Waldo> fix tests out locally in a 32-bit build, pushed
# [01:43] <RyanVM> take your time
# [01:43] <Waldo> :-)
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# [01:44] <decoder> espindola: im getting this now: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/decoder@own-hero.net-fc24342ea94b/try-linux64-debug/try-linux64-debug-bm27-try1-build975.txt.gz
# [01:44] <decoder> almost done :(
# [01:44] <decoder> again some libstdc++ stuff
# [01:44] <decoder> any idea?
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# [01:44] <decoder> thx=)
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# [01:45] <decoder> i wonder how xpcshell can be built against a a libc version that isnt there later then?
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# [01:45] <espindola> decoder, gah, so the so the ac_add_options --enable-stdcxx-compa
# [01:45] <espindola> was to prevent this :-(
# [01:45] <espindola> two options
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# [01:46] <espindola> * figure out why --enable-stdcxx-compat was failing with asan
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# [01:46] <espindola> * easy way out: use -static-libstdc++
# [01:46] <decoder> thx
# [01:46] <espindola> np
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# [01:46] <decoder> ill try --enable-stdcxx-compat locally
# [01:46] <decoder> and see if I can repro the issue
# [01:47] <espindola> the most likely case is that with asan we use some new symbol from libstdc++
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# [01:47] <espindola> that has to be added to
# [01:47] <espindola> ./build/stdc++compat.cpp
# [01:48] <decoder> ah that makes sense
# [01:49] <decoder> espindola: if that is the case, is it any harmful if we add these into the file you mentioned?
# [01:49] <espindola> I don't think there would be
# [01:49] <decoder> ok
# [01:49] <espindola> the file is just a list of explicit template instantiations definitions
# [01:49] <Waldo> aargh
# [01:50] <espindola> you might get asked to put the new one in a #ifdef, but that is it
# [01:50] <decoder> we already have #ifdefs for asan
# [01:50] <decoder> so thatll be easy :)
# [01:50] <espindola> Waldo, to match explicit template instantiations declarations added in new libstdc++
# [01:50] <decoder> thx espindola
# [01:50] <espindola> np
# [01:50] <Waldo> espindola: not directed at you :-)
# [01:50] <espindola> ah :-)
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# [02:00] <RyanVM> dammit ehsan, I was just getting ready to push that
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# [02:00] <@ehsan> RyanVM: :P
# [02:00] <RyanVM> and already qfin'ed :(
# [02:01] <RyanVM> alphabetically
# [02:01] <RyanVM> time to qimport 15 changesets
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# [02:03] <sfink> hg qimport -r rev1:rev15 ?
# [02:04] <RyanVM> would that do it as seperate changesets?
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# [02:11] <@khuey> wow
# [02:11] <@khuey> try is pretty backed up
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# [02:14] <@khuey> bad RyanVM
# [02:14] <RyanVM> working on it
# [02:14] <RyanVM> had a bit of tunnel vision there
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# [02:14] <@khuey> heh
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# [02:17] <RyanVM> though arguably this is why it's important to practice good patch hygiene in bugs :P
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# [02:20] <joduinn> mounir: ping?
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# [02:21] <padenot> joduinn: he's probably sleeping
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# [02:21] <joduinn> yeah if he's in Paris this week, he *should* be asleep! wasnt sure with some work weeks going on...
# [02:22] <joduinn> padenot: no worries. I'll email him
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# [02:33] <Jesse> http://webkitmemes.tumblr.com/post/21728732796/disaster-girl-got-tired-of-waiting
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# [02:34] <sheppy> Wow, they're just like us!
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# [02:51] <RyanVM> err
# [02:51] <RyanVM> INFO | runtests.py | Server pid: 295
# [02:51] <RyanVM> Assertion failure: OnLionOrLater() || gCriticalAddress.mAddr != __null, at ../../../xpcom/base/nsStackWalk.cpp:175
# [02:51] <RyanVM> Timed out while waiting for server startup.
# [02:51] <RyanVM> program finished with exit code 1
# [02:51] <RyanVM> elapsedTime=180.744208
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# [02:55] <RyanVM> on the bright side, most of what I landed actually passed on Try
# [02:55] <RyanVM> so it shouldn't be too bad finding out what's bad
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# [03:00] <RyanVM> pushed a hopeful fix for the orange
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# [03:07] <RyanVM> i'll take care of starring everything when it clears
# [03:07] <@bz> ehsan: ping
# [03:07] <@ehsan> bz: hi
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# [03:09] <@bz> ehsan: did you merge all of birch in
# [03:09] <@bz> ehsan: ?
# [03:09] <@ehsan> yes
# [03:10] <@bz> ehsan: perfect, thanks
# [03:10] * @bz can stop developing against birch, then. ;)
# [03:10] <@ehsan> yeah :)
# [03:10] <@ehsan> bz: I'll post to dev-planning when I'm done marking the bugs, etc.
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# [03:14] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Looks like bug 677122 needs to be backed out again..?
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# [03:14] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: ok, I'll do that
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# [03:15] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: can you tell me why though?
# [03:15] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: actually I just borked my inbound tree :(
# [03:15] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: can you please backout?
# [03:15] <mbrubeck> ehsan: sure
# [03:15] <mbrubeck> ehsan: test_bug677122.html | Expected number of tests run. Expected: 5 Actual: 1
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# [03:16] <mbrubeck> (also test_bug495300.html | Test timed out, but that's an existing intermittent orange)
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# [03:16] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: thanks
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# [03:17] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: (are you backing out?)
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# [03:18] <mbrubeck> ehsan: yes
# [03:18] <@ehsan> ty
# [03:19] <mbrubeck> push race...
# [03:19] <RyanVM> brb guys
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# [03:25] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: is this a good time to land on inbound?
# [03:25] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: (merge m-c => inbound, that is)?
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# [03:28] <espindola> jrmuizel, you might find http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvm-commits/Week-of-Mon-20120423/141527.html interesting
# [03:28] <jrmuizel> espindola: neat
# [03:28] <jrmuizel> I'll take a look
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# [03:35] <mbrubeck> ehsan: as good as any, I think
# [03:35] <@ehsan> ok thanks
# [03:35] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Is your tree working again, or should I merge?
# [03:35] <@ehsan> no, it's ok
# [03:36] <@ehsan> I had just pulled in m-c
# [03:36] <@ehsan> that was the problem
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# [03:39] <decoder> espindola: i looked again at the log with the previous failure (with stdcxx compat)
# [03:39] <decoder> 0000000000000000 DF *UND* 0000000000000000 GLIBCXX_3.4.14 _ZNSsC1EOSs
# [03:39] <decoder> 0000000000000000 DF *UND* 0000000000000000 GLIBCXX_3.4.14 _ZNSsaSEOSs
# [03:39] <decoder> i guess those two are the symbols
# [03:39] <decoder> first one is std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >::basic_string(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&&)
# [03:39] <decoder> second one is std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >::operator=(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&&)
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# [03:40] <espindola> decoder, ah cool
# [03:40] <espindola> they are the move constructors
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# [03:41] <espindola> no idea why enabling asan hits tem
# [03:41] <espindola> them
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# [03:41] <espindola> but it should be easy to add to the compat file
# [03:41] <decoder> asan itself is partly in c++
# [03:41] <decoder> i see these two in the compat file:
# [03:41] <decoder> template string::basic_string(string&&);
# [03:41] <decoder> template string& string::operator=(string&&);
# [03:42] <decoder> but they are ifdefed
# [03:42] <decoder> by __GXX_EXPERIMENTAL_CXX0X__
# [03:42] <decoder> maybe i should try enabling those two
# [03:42] <espindola> interesting
# [03:42] <espindola> try that
# [03:42] <espindola> but also check how the file is being built
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# [03:42] <espindola> are we passing -std=gnu++0x?
# [03:42] <espindola> or c++0x
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# [03:42] <decoder> no idea. i guess not by default?
# [03:43] <espindola> and if so, is clang defining __GXX_EXPERIMENTAL_CXX0X__
# [03:43] <espindola> decoder, it is complicated :-)
# [03:43] <espindola> we build part of the system with c++11, so check the logs
# [03:43] <decoder> i didnt really expect my job to be easy ^_^
# [03:43] <decoder> espindola: yea we pass that flag at some points
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# [03:43] <decoder> it's in the logs
# [03:44] <decoder> maybe clang is not defining that variable
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# [03:44] <decoder> i duplicated the two definitions and moved them outside the ifdef
# [03:44] <decoder> so if the variable is not getting defined that should work
# [03:44] <espindola> when compiling ./build/stdc++compat.cpp?
# [03:44] <decoder> if it is, then thatwill cause an error
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# [03:44] <espindola> current clang has:
# [03:44] <espindola> if (LangOpts.CPlusPlus0x)
# [03:44] <espindola> Builder.defineMacro("__GXX_EXPERIMENTAL_CXX0X__");
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# [03:45] <espindola> but maybe it is a new fix
# [03:45] <decoder> espindola: yes
# [03:45] <decoder> stdc++compat.cpp gets -std=gnu++0x
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# [03:46] <espindola> interesting
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# [03:47] <espindola> decoder, I would suggest copy and pasting the command line
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# [03:47] <espindola> and adding -save-temps
# [03:47] <espindola> to see if it is producing the expected result
# [03:47] <espindola> and what g++ does
# [03:47] <decoder> okay ill try that tomorrow.. :)
# [03:47] <decoder> already 3:40 am :/
# [03:47] <espindola> !
# [03:48] <espindola> good night
# [03:48] <decoder> nite =)
# [03:48] <decoder> and thx
# [03:48] <espindola> or morning...
# [03:48] <espindola> np
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# [03:48] <decoder> dont worry, thats my regular working schedule
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# [03:48] <decoder> helps me to keep in touch with my people in mv and sfo
# [03:48] <decoder> ^_^
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# [04:19] <@bz> So what's the business model for Lord of Ultima?
# [04:19] <@bz> they have the free gameplay....
# [04:19] <@bz> what's the catch? ;)
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# [04:21] <@bz> ah
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# [04:21] <KWierso> microtransactions?
# [04:21] <@bz> you can pay real money for in-game goodies
# [04:21] <@bz> I see
# [04:21] <@bz> like for making the UI suck less
# [04:23] <darktrojan> I wonder if we can get that going for firefox too ;-)
# [04:24] <KWierso> $5 and you can have the traditional statusbar back :)
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# [04:25] <Havvy> KWierso: Sounds like addons that cost money.
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# [04:25] <darktrojan> that was on the cards at one point
# [04:26] * darktrojan wonders what happened
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# [04:26] <Havvy> It wasn't necessary.
# [04:26] <darktrojan> you haven't seen my bank account
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# [04:31] * darktrojan is enjoying the ignorant trolling on slashdot about fx 12
# [04:32] <JonathanS> darktrojan, they see me rollin, they trollin
# [04:32] <darktrojan> \o/ more calls for people to be fired
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# [04:36] <Havvy> darktrojan: Link?
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# [04:36] <JonathanS> http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/04/24/1820250/firefox-12-released-introduces-silent-chrome-like-updater
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# [04:37] <Havvy> It was great when people left Firefox to Chrome when Slashdot reported on Gladius.js from the Labs team...
# [04:37] <@bz> darktrojan: whom are they calling to fire now?
# [04:38] <JonathanS> Havvy, Chrome has same problem ;)
# [04:38] <@bz> But Opera had it first
# [04:38] <darktrojan> bz "Who's in charge of this project? The new firefox Lead should be fired and bring back the old one."
# [04:39] <KWierso> bz: so far I've seen shots at Asa
# [04:39] <Havvy> Somebody quoted w3schools...
# [04:40] <darktrojan> apparently also we are lazy, ignorant and not very good
# [04:40] <@bz> So they want us to bring back schrep?
# [04:40] <markh> and speculating we will become a virus injection vector!
# [04:40] * @bz is lazy and ignorant
# [04:40] <@bz> markh: well, that's a valid concern
# [04:40] * darktrojan is not very good
# [04:40] <@bz> markh: esp. given the level of coverage of the actual change
# [04:40] <markh> not sure why it is more of a concern with auto-update though
# [04:41] <markh> as soon as our old updated got elevation, all bets were off anyway
# [04:41] <@bz> markh: I think because people think they wouldn't just click-through a UAC prompt
# [04:41] <@bz> markh: or something
# [04:41] <@bz> markh: rationality is hard
# [04:42] <markh> yeah, "must keep your browser up to date" + "must never allow elevation" == quite a quandry :)
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# [04:42] <@bz> markh: js.js shows the way
# [04:42] <JonathanS> MS put the Program Files as protected folders -______-
# [04:43] <darktrojan> none of our updates are worth having anyway, according to the average /. commentor
# [04:43] <darktrojan> send them all back to 1.0!
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# [04:44] <markh> yeah, and seeing all we are doing is copying chrome, we may as well just stop work and install that
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# [04:44] <JonathanS> Slashdot believe Google do nothing wrong?
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# [04:44] <darktrojan> the new urlbar icons certainly remind me of chrome :(
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# [04:45] <jdm> ugh, why do I even bother reading slashdot comments :(
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# [04:45] <darktrojan> entertainment?
# [04:46] <jesup> ulcers?
# [04:46] <JonathanS> jdm, it is like reading digg comments.
# [04:46] <Waldo> because people aren't submitting enough quality memes
# [04:46] <jdm> Waldo: trufax
# [04:46] <Waldo> if you were more entertained that way, you wouldn't have time to read /.
# [04:47] <jdm> step up your game, people
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# [04:52] <markh> so I'm working on some cross-compartment bugs in typed arrays. There is an existing typedarray.js test but it doesn't have cross-compartment tests - should I append new cross-compartment tests there or add a new file, say, typedarray-compartment.js?
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# [04:54] <darktrojan> either's good
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# [04:54] <darktrojan> depends how much you're reusing I guess
# [04:54] <markh> yeah, probably not a real lot, so a new file prolly makes more sense
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# [04:57] <JonathanS> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/21761415834/distract-them-with-shiny-things :o
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# [04:57] <darktrojan> :D
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# [04:58] <KWierso> JonathanS++
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# [04:59] <darktrojan> memes++
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# [04:59] <darktrojan> they've been good lately
# [05:00] <@ehsan> firebot: uuid
# [05:00] <firebot> 6613e2e7-feab-4e3a-bb1f-b03200d544ec (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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# [05:01] <Havvy> I have an idea!
# [05:02] <Havvy> We freeze the major version number, and only improve the minor one.
# [05:02] <KWierso> Firefox 12.582, coming to a computer near you!
# [05:02] <jtcranmer> I have a better idea
# [05:02] <jtcranmer> let's give all of our numbers random words
# [05:03] <jtcranmer> next up is Firefox Panda, followed by Firefox Star
# [05:03] <KWierso> oh man, Ubuntu's naming scheme is up to q next year?
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# [05:03] <jtcranmer> Quirky Quail?
# [05:04] <KWierso> Quantal Quetzal apparently
# [05:04] <darktrojan> let's go back to naming them after parks
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# [05:05] <darktrojan> bah, quickmeme died
# [05:05] <JonathanS> that sounds like Duck
# [05:05] <jtcranmer> Firefox Glacier
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# [05:06] * Havvy names this update Firefox Update
# [05:06] <jtcranmer> Firefox Whistler :-P
# [05:06] <darktrojan> speaking of which, any news on this year's summit?
# [05:07] <mimcpher> darktrojan: I heard the news is there isn't going to be one?
# [05:07] <darktrojan> :(
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# [05:08] <darktrojan> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3oygn1/
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# [05:10] <jdm> heh
# [05:10] <jdm> if you submit that, I'll post it
# [05:10] <jdm> actually, it's easier for me to submit it
# [05:10] <darktrojan> does that mean I have to use tumblr?
# [05:10] <jdm> belay that order!
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# [05:14] <jtcranmer> always thought it was a carabina
# [05:14] <jtcranmer> damn non-rhotic accents!
# [05:15] <RyanVM> yuck
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# [05:15] <RyanVM> looks like sfink has perma-xpcshell orange
# [05:15] <darktrojan> arm the backout machine!
# [05:15] <@bz> is that like a tortoiseshell comb?
# [05:15] <RyanVM> and I may have perma-purple
# [05:15] <RyanVM> (though my backout may have fixed that - still waiting to see)
# [05:16] <@bz> a purple perm, you say?
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# [05:17] <@bz> See, that would have been a good Ubuntu name
# [05:17] <@bz> Purple Perm
# [05:17] <jtcranmer> well, orange and purple make....
# [05:17] <darktrojan> bz++
# [05:17] <jtcranmer> I guess probably something brownish?
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# [05:18] <@bz> also as far as Ubuntu goes
# [05:18] <@bz> I can see Aachen Aardvark
# [05:19] <@bz> But I'm blanking on animals starting with "ab" or "bb"
# [05:20] <RyanVM> oh, and chrislord has perma-red
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# [05:21] <RyanVM> good time for me to be going to bed....
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# [05:22] <Waldo> markh: new test files are much much better for debugging purposes
# [05:22] <markh> Waldo: ok, thanks - fortunately that is what I decided anyway :)
# [05:23] <@ehsan> bz: thanks for the extreely quick reviews!
# [05:23] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: I can back that out.
# [05:23] <Waldo> markh: yeah, I caught up to that, decided it was best to explicitly confirm the guess :-)
# [05:23] <Waldo> mega-tests are sometimes necessary
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# [05:23] <Waldo> but they generally shouldn't be made mega-er
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# [05:24] <markh> and what I'm adding is quite orthogonal to what the existing test was checking
# [05:25] <markh> and ya gotta love the js shell as newGlobal('new-compartment') :)
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# [05:25] <markh> err - s/as/has/
# [05:25] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: if you're doing backouts for me later (depending on whether or not the purple goes away or not), only 673752 and 744910 didn't get a try run before landing
# [05:25] <@bz> ehsan: I try
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# [05:25] <@bz> ehsan: thanks for small patches!
# [05:25] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: so I'd start with them
# [05:25] <@ehsan> bz: so, can we get an nsILoadContext from an nsIRequest?
# [05:25] <Waldo> markh: what's to love or dis-love about it, out of curiosity?
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# [05:25] <squib> question: is document.getElementByTagName sufficiently cheap that i wouldn't need to cache the result if i'm using it a bunch in a function? (the XBL has a property that calls it)
# [05:25] <@bz> ehsan: you can try, but it might not have one
# [05:25] <squib> er, element.getElementsByTagName
# [05:25] <Waldo> cpg will happily eliminate the need for the first argument, but we're not quite there yet
# [05:25] <@ehsan> bz: how do I do that?
# [05:25] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: Noted, thanks
# [05:25] <@bz> ehsan: are you in c++ or JS?
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# [05:26] <@ehsan> c++
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# [05:26] <markh> Waldo: it made is trivial to reproduce an error we found in the browser but only when using Cu.evalInSandbox and event listeners etc
# [05:26] <@bz> ehsan: QI to nsIChannel
# [05:26] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: You might consider breaking large patches into multiple pushes for easier backout targeting... though with coalescing that doesn't always help as much as it should.
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# [05:26] <Waldo> markh: ah
# [05:26] <@bz> ehsan: and then:
# [05:26] <Waldo> so you weren't talking about the exact API, as what it enabled
# [05:26] <@bz> nsCOMPtr<nsILoadContext> ctx;
# [05:27] <markh> once it was clear the problem was "just" cross-compartment objects, a repro in the js shell was simple
# [05:27] <@bz> NS_QueryNotificationCallbacks(channel, ctx);
# [05:27] <@bz> if this is not a channel...
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# [05:27] <Waldo> I think evalcx might have provided the same functionality...ish
# [05:27] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: I sorta did with the Try pushes (I had a queue built up during the inbound embargo and took the opportunity to push them to Try in the mean time)
# [05:27] <@ehsan> I think it is a channel
# [05:27] <markh> Waldo: yeah, exactly
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# [05:27] <Waldo> but it was a much less clear interface
# [05:27] <@bz> then you can't get a load context
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# [05:27] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: but yeah, point taken
# [05:27] <@ehsan> bz: the requests in nsExternalAppHandler always have a load context, right?
# [05:27] <@bz> but in most cases your request is a channel. ;)
# [05:27] <markh> Waldo: maybe - I'm still using evalcx to eval in that new compartment
# [05:27] <Waldo> markh: only real problem with it is that it means the tests must be shell-only, although perhaps we can fix that sometime
# [05:27] <@bz> ehsan: in normal operation
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# [05:28] <Waldo> markh: you can use global.evaluate(code) instead -- like running a Program in that global
# [05:28] <@ehsan> bz: and what is considered to be normal? :)
# [05:28] <@bz> ehsan: I mean.. an extension can always toss a random load not associated with a docshell in there
# [05:28] <@ehsan> oh right
# [05:28] <@ehsan> ok
# [05:28] <@ehsan> yeah I don't care about that for now
# [05:28] <@bz> ehsan: but modulo that, you should be fine.
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# [05:28] <markh> Waldo: is there some annotation I should add to the test to ensure that?
# [05:28] <@ehsan> good
# [05:28] <@ehsan> thanks!
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# [05:28] <@bz> So you need to null-check
# [05:28] <@bz> but that's about it
# [05:28] <@bz> no problem
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# [05:29] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: still purple
# [05:30] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: Of course, the sad thing is that with coalescing and all, there wasn't a win debug build immediately preceeding my push either
# [05:30] <Waldo> markh: // |reftest| skip-if(!xulRuntime.shell) -- needs evaluate()
# [05:30] <Waldo> markh: if there are bits of the test that can run in the browser, you can also do |if (typeof evaluate === "function")|, although it's a little more fragile
# [05:31] <markh> Waldo: so I create an object in the current global, then use "other = newGlobal("new-compartment"); other.ob = this.ob;" to force the new object into the new global, then evalcx(other, "ob.something")
# [05:31] <markh> is there something better I could do to enable that in the browser tests?
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# [05:31] <markh> or a better way generally?
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# [05:31] <Waldo> markh: other.evaluate("ob.something") would be preferable
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# [05:32] <Waldo> markh: we don't really have good cross-global browser test support :-\
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# [05:32] <markh> Waldo: ok, I'll do that, thanks.
# [05:32] <Waldo> markh: the big problem is once you start having cross-global stuff in the browser, you're talking cross-window, and then async comes into play (whee!)
# [05:32] <markh> Waldo: yeah - that is how we found it initially :)
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# [05:33] <Waldo> markh: while we're not opposed to tests that exercise the browser too, we actually kind of prefer tests that work in the shell, because building just the shell, and running just the shell tests, is a lot faster than s/shell/browser/
# [05:33] <markh> for sure!
# [05:33] <@bz> amen
# [05:33] <@bz> we should push more things into the shell, so we can test them there
# [05:35] <Waldo> except in rare cases, I actually never run browser tests, or build the browser, myself :-)
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# [05:35] <Waldo> this is either when it's a "tricky enough" change, or when tbpl unexpectedly blows up on me
# [05:39] <mbrubeck> Oh good, we have xpcshell orange on inbound too
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# [05:40] <mbrubeck> bz: Until it makes the shell too slow to build and run. :)
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# [05:40] * Callek hopes that people who pushed to try are not in any rush for their try results..... 1700 pending thingies for try right now
# [05:43] <@bz> mbrubeck: shhhh
# [05:43] <@bz> mbrubeck: I'm trying to be stealthy, and you're ruining it
# [05:43] <@bz> waldo: pay no attention to the man behind that nick
# [05:44] <Waldo> fnord
# [05:45] <@bz> dronf
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# [05:48] <mbrubeck> sfink|log: I think this xpcshell orange is probably yours
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# [05:49] <mbrubeck> oh, this was already discussed
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# [05:50] <@bz> liiiitle bite-sized patches
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# [05:52] <mbrubeck> BACK OUT [hyperbole and a half comic image] ALL THE THINGS!
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# [05:56] <@bz> you say back out, I say transplant to birch
# [05:57] <mbrubeck> hg log -u mbrubeck --template '{desc|firstline}\n' | head -100 | cut -f1 -d' ' | sort | uniq -c
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# [05:57] <mbrubeck> 25 Back, 1 Backed, 49 Bug, 25 Merge
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# [05:58] <mbrubeck> I've just passed the point where less than half of my patches are adding code instead of backing it out or merging it.
# [05:58] <Havvy> Congrats!
# [05:58] <@bz> heh
# [05:58] <mbrubeck> $ hg log -u bz --template '{desc|firstline}\n' | head -100 | cut -f1 -d' ' | sort | uniq -c
# [05:58] <mbrubeck> 100 Bug
# [05:58] * @bz is at 91 bug
# [05:58] <mbrubeck> hmm
# [05:58] <@bz> and 1 added
# [05:59] <@bz> 3 backed, 1 backing, 1 back
# [05:59] <mbrubeck> My tree must have a different set of most-recent bz commits. :P
# [05:59] <@bz> try bzbarsky?
# [05:59] * @bz has 3 merge too
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# [05:59] <mbrubeck> Yeah, then I get the same results.
# [05:59] <@bz> interesting
# [06:00] <@bz> Ah
# [06:00] <mbrubeck> bz: Ah, it's Serge's fault.
# [06:00] <@bz> Serge Gautherie <sgautherie.bz@free.fr>
# [06:00] <@bz> yes
# [06:00] <philor> 57 Back 4 Backed 18 Bug 16 Merge 5 No :D
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# [06:00] * philor likes to take things out
# [06:00] <@bz> note that this fails for dbaron
# [06:00] <@bz> who puts his bug# at the end of his comments
# [06:00] <@bz> so I get things like....
# [06:00] <@bz> 1 Actually
# [06:00] <@bz> 21 Add
# [06:00] <@bz> 1 Annotate
# [06:00] <@bz> 9 Apply
# [06:00] <@bz> 1 Build
# [06:01] <@bz> etc, etc
# [06:01] <@bz> 10 Make
# [06:01] <@bz> 1 Unprefix
# [06:01] <@bz> this is actually kinda fun reading. ;)
# [06:01] <philor> those aren't especially fun to mark after merging, either
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# [06:01] <markh> heh - sounds like an instruction manual for how to make changes: Actually add, annotate, apply then build"
# [06:01] * philor kicks Colloquy in the underlines
# [06:03] <@bz> If I sort dbarons -n -r...
# [06:03] <@bz> 21 Add
# [06:03] <@bz> 10 Make
# [06:03] <@bz> 9 Apply
# [06:03] <@bz> 7 Remove
# [06:03] <@bz> 7 Fix
# [06:03] <@bz> 5 Set
# [06:03] <@bz> 4 When
# [06:03] <@bz> 4 Pass
# [06:03] <@bz> 4 Don't
# [06:03] <@bz> Like I said, amusing reading
# [06:03] <cabanier> all, why am I getting all these access violations in the javascript layer while debugging FF?
# [06:03] <cabanier> can I work around it?
# [06:03] <@bz> that's odd
# [06:04] <@bz> like sigsegv?
# [06:04] <cabanier> bad access
# [06:04] <cabanier> seems like the threading is mixed up
# [06:04] <cabanier> works fine outside the debugger
# [06:04] <@bz> weird
# [06:04] * @bz runs firefox in a debugger all the time....
# [06:05] <cabanier> Windows is fine. Just XCode
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# [06:05] <@bz> ah
# [06:05] <@bz> dunno
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# [06:05] <cabanier> the new xcode use a new version of gdb
# [06:06] <cabanier> annoying
# [06:06] <cabanier> so, Canvas is not GPU accelerated on FF, right?
# [06:06] <cabanier> does it go straight into cairo?
# [06:06] <stuart> it depends on platform
# [06:07] <cabanier> on mac
# [06:07] <stuart> i think something _just_ landed that will
# [06:07] <cabanier> I see it goes to d2d on PC if you turn it on
# [06:07] <cabanier> ah
# [06:07] <@bz> cabanier: on Mac, FF12 and later will go directly to CoreGraphics, iirc
# [06:08] <cabanier> where is that code located?
# [06:08] * @bz looks
# [06:09] <@bz> Probably in the azure context
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# [06:14] <@bz> cabanier: no problem
# [06:14] <@bz> timdream: uh
# [06:14] <@bz> timdream: what's the goal?
# [06:14] <Callek> philor: so do things (android) seem back to "normal" today since we got my patch backed out last night?
# [06:15] <Callek> in terms of rough quantity, etc.
# [06:15] <philor> Callek: no, not at all, in really bad shape I'm afraid
# [06:15] <@bz> timdream: but I guess that might actually be pretty good...
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# [06:15] <@bz> timdream: you could also just escape all '<' and '&' (not in that order)
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# [06:15] <timdream> bz: is that safe enough?
# [06:16] <Callek> philor: hrm, really, "worse" than it was last week?
# [06:16] <philor> Callek: bug 681861 especially, but the reconnects also make a couple of others, especially talos, and there's more 660480 than usual too
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# [06:16] <philor> yeah, worse, sorry
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# [06:16] <@bz> timdream: If you're just putting it into a <div>, then yes
# [06:16] <Callek> fair enough, I'll look into it all -- thanks
# [06:16] <@bz> timdream: for other uses, no, but neither is what you have there
# [06:16] <@bz> (e.g. for putting into an attr value)
# [06:16] <timdream> bz: really?!
# [06:16] <philor> something's busted, that's making for tons of socket reconnects, but... I don't have a clue what that means, it's all a black box to me
# [06:16] <@bz> if you want to to be safe for attr values, you need to escape '"' and '\'' as well
# [06:17] <timdream> bz: i see, thanks for the info
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# [06:19] <Callek> philor: yea, it could be a few numbers of things, but I'll [plan to] get it all sorted out tomorrow/thursday, even if that means "lets plan to back out *all* my changes"
# [06:20] <Callek> I'm not 110% convinced its not just a factor of additional load on the total infra, including bringing up more tegra's at once right now and enough jobs to keep every tegra busy... but thats a hard sell right now as well, so we'll see
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# [06:34] <mbrubeck> I just have a filter that marks tbplbot comments as read
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# [07:02] <darktrojan> oh cool, firebug and the inspector are both broken for me :(
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# [07:11] <KWierso> darktrojan: Nightly's Inspect is working for me
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# [07:12] <darktrojan> mine was built from the tip a few hours ago, how old is yours?
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# [07:13] <KWierso> darktrojan: this morning's Nightly build, pre-birch merge
# [07:13] <KWierso> lemme grab an hourly and check
# [07:13] <darktrojan> I think mine is pre birch too, hmm
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# [07:14] <darktrojan> .... and then there's unity which is just plain screwed up
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# [07:14] <KWierso> darktrojan: does Inspector work if Firebug is disabled?
# [07:14] <KWierso> any errors in error console when you try to inspect something?
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# [07:16] <KWierso> darktrojan: nope, most recent win32 hourly build inspects pages just fine...
# [07:16] <darktrojan> huh, seems to be conflicting with the dom inspector
# [07:16] <darktrojan> odd
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# [07:20] <KWierso> darktrojan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747603 ?
# [07:20] <darktrojan> looks likely
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# [07:21] <darktrojan> ta
# [07:22] <KWierso> yeah
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# [08:09] <AryehGregor> if ((brParent != node) || (brOffset != (aOffset+1))) {
# [08:09] <AryehGregor> Whoever wrote editor code really liked parentheses, I can tell you that.
# [08:09] <@bz> mmm
# [08:09] <@bz> editor
# [08:09] <AryehGregor> Just in case you're not sure what the order of precedence is for !=, ||, and +.
# [08:10] <AryehGregor> Generally in any editor bug I work on, the first patch or two in the series starts something like "Clean up nsHTMLEditor::..."
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# [08:27] <KWierso> AryehGregor: they put those easter eggs in there so you can feel better about your own code ;)
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# [08:43] <philor> stay up until 2am for the second night in a row to see that Waldo broke make check on Win debug; decide he did and back him out blind; just leave it broken overnight
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# [08:45] <markh> too long for a meme :)
# [08:45] <Callek> philor: inbound or central?
# [08:45] <philor> inbound
# [08:45] <philor> markh: twss
# [08:45] <Callek> or "other"
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# [08:46] <markh> philor: obviously getting to bed early enough to dream then :)
# [08:48] <KWierso> markh: lies http://i.qkme.me/3oyla6.jpg
# [08:48] <markh> KWierso: nice :)
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# [08:50] <philor> it doesn't fit if it doesn't fit over insanity wolf
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# [08:51] <philor> and that's clearly my problem, considering things he'd never do
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# [08:53] <Callek> philor: fwiw I agree its waldo's bustage from what I'm looking at
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# [08:56] <Ms2ger> philor, why does Android hate it when you push aurora to try?
# [08:57] <philor> Ms2ger: branding - buildbot expects to run an org.mozilla.fennec, not an org.mozilla.aurora
# [08:57] <Ms2ger> Silly
# [08:58] <philor> yeah, it's fixable down to... 13 I think, there's a file it can look at instead
# [08:58] <philor> maybe just 14
# [09:00] <philor> but all you have to do is stick a patch to mobile/android/config/mozconfigs/android/nightly changing it to --with-branding=mobile/android/branding/nightly in the meantime
# [09:00] <philor> well, all you have to do is remember you will want to, before you push
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# [09:00] <Ms2ger> This ain't going to break Fennec, I promise ;)
# [09:00] <philor> that's what the daddy of my *last* baby said!
# [09:01] <Callek> philor: so my theory for the increase in timeouts..... (I'll do more testing tomorrow)
# [09:01] <Ms2ger> A null dereference in GraphWalker<ScanBlackVisitor>::DoWalk doesn't ring a bell?
# [09:01] <Callek> philor: is that logging python class, which I converted a bunch of |print|s to, uses http://docs.python.org/library/logging.handlers.html#streamhandler by default, and there it claims that, basically "an explicit flush() may be needed at time"
# [09:01] <Ms2ger> In browser_scratchpad_restore.js
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# [09:02] <Callek> philor: so just as an fyi, my plan in testing is to look at what is happenning now in my staging and seeing if I create a wrapper function for all this stuff that flushes the logger helps :-)
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# [09:02] <philor> Ms2ger: we have a whole lot of very intermittent gc crashes that nobody bothers filing
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# [09:03] <philor> Callek: sounds good to me!
# [09:03] * Callek looks at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=android&rev=733f13a5cca6 reftest line and shudders'
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# [09:04] <philor> Ms2ger: hmm, I've searched for variations on that theme four times, that's not a good sign
# [09:04] <Ms2ger> Fortunately for me, this is on try ;)
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# [09:05] <philor> and what happens on try stays on try, unless you make the mistake of filing from it, or starring it
# [09:06] * @khuey grumbles
# [09:06] <@khuey> "SetStyleContextWithoutNotification"
# [09:06] <Ms2ger> And a good... morning? to you too
# [09:06] <@khuey> who decided that was a good idea
# [09:06] <@khuey> Ms2ger: how is Europe this evening?
# [09:07] <Ms2ger> Rain and sunny spells
# [09:07] * Ms2ger watches as khuey scrambles to the European weather report
# [09:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/75c7378c87b6 - Ms2ger - Bug 731832 - Backout bug 587021 for breaking a specific web page; r=bz
# [09:08] <@khuey> that's a little vague
# [09:08] <markh> khuey: melbourne is shit this week - you picked a good week to visit :)
# [09:08] <Ms2ger> [k9o:p?:fx?
# [09:08] <Ms2ger> Say what?
# [09:09] <@khuey> markh: hah
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# [09:09] <philor> that'd be management, which is best ignored unless you have no choice
# [09:10] <Ms2ger> Phew
# [09:10] <Ms2ger> The only management I can't ignore is bz :)
# [09:11] <philor> I'd guess "Kilimanjaro: priority needs to be determined, target Firefox version needs to be determined"
# [09:13] <philor> okay, I'm going to pumpkin, the Win debug build on https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/718ced982de1 should say whether to back out the rest of Waldo's push or the rest of RyanVM's, for whoever wants to look at it in another 90 minutes
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# [09:14] <KWierso> ... not it
# [09:15] <Ms2ger> Not it
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# [09:33] <heycam> I wish I could "hg qnew xx; hg qpop; hg qpop; hg qfold xx; hg qpush" without it needing to touch all these source files and cause me to have to rebuild a bunch
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# [09:35] <glandium> heycam: use git
# [09:36] <heycam> :D
# [09:36] * heycam should maybe try it out one day
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# [09:37] <Mavericks> heycam: try it now just for a few minutes
# [09:37] <Mavericks> and see what gives
# [09:38] <Ms2ger> git--
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# [09:39] <heycam> Mavericks, of course whenever I experience any hg pain I'm in the middle of something and so it never seems to be a good time to try something new :)
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# [10:09] <Ms2ger> http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2zy876oaG1rrf1eeo1_500.jpg
# [10:11] <Ms2ger> Oh yeah: http://www.itworld.com/software/266362/whats-fastest-browser-maybe-youre-measuring-wrong?page=0,2
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# [10:21] <darktrojan> a winner is us
# [10:22] <darktrojan> I think we should remind the rapid release trolls that they'd still be using firefox 4 under the old system
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# [10:22] <Ms2ger> And that would be much better!
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# [10:26] <darktrojan> oh hey, we might even be in RC territory by now
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# [10:28] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, nah, beta17
# [10:29] <darktrojan> on the other hand we'd be getting massive press coverage about how much better firefox 5 is
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# [10:35] <edmorley> tbpl scrollback for last night was certainly messy :-s
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# [10:37] <Ms2ger> 1.54 + nsCOMPtr<nsIDocument> doc = GetDocumentFromNPP(npp);
# [10:37] <Ms2ger> 1.55 + nsCOMPtr<nsPIDOMWindow> domwindow = do_QueryInterface(doc);
# [10:37] <edmorley> glandium: inbound M1 orange
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# [10:43] <edmorley> !seen RyanVM
# [10:43] <firebot> ryanvm was last seen 5 hours, 13 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying 'mbrubeck: Of course, the sad thing is that with coalescing and all, there wasn't a win debug build immediately preceeding my push either' in #developers.
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# [10:56] <edmorley> ahah...so it was waldo breaking win debug
# [10:56] <glazou> bonjour
# [10:56] <edmorley> coalescing--
# [10:56] <edmorley> glazou: good morning :-)
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# [11:14] <edmorley> darktrojan: not just me then
# [11:15] <darktrojan> nope
# [11:16] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I need to go; would be grateful if you kept an eye on my windows results
# [11:16] <edmorley> Ms2ger: ok :-)
# [11:16] <Ms2ger> Thanks :)
# [11:16] <edmorley> np
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# [11:22] <mounir> is bugzilla slow as hell?
# [11:23] <darktrojan> yes
# [11:23] <mounir> ok
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# [11:23] <mounir> then I can't blame the office connection ;)
# [11:23] <darktrojan> glob has been poked
# [11:23] <edmorley> apparently the london office connection is only 20mb
# [11:24] <darktrojan> yeesh
# [11:24] <edmorley> so as much as I'd like to blame it, I can't this time :-)
# [11:24] <darktrojan> edmorley, you work from a real office now?
# [11:25] <edmorley> darktrojan: the london mozilla office
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# [11:26] <darktrojan> if only there was a mozilla office in my city... oh wait
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# [11:46] <darktrojan> s/nsILocalFile\b/nsIFile/ on EVERYTHING
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# [11:52] <Fallen> any irc ops around?
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# [11:56] <edmorley> Fallen: if you put the two words together and possibly drop the 's', they get pinged aiui
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# [12:05] <KaiRo> infrared police?
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# [12:14] <glandium> interesting, there's no "close other tabs" context menu item on pinned tabs
# [12:14] <AryehGregor> I can compare two nsCOMPtr<nsIDOMNode>s for equality with just ==, right?
# [12:16] <glandium> AryehGregor: if you want to know if they point to the same pointer, yes
# [12:17] <AryehGregor> I want the same meaning of equality as .isSameNode() in JS.
# [12:17] * AryehGregor is pretty sure the answer to his question is "yes", but doesn't hurt to check
# [12:18] <glandium> AryehGregor: check what IsSameNode does :)
# [12:18] <AryehGregor> I already saw some code that would be very wrong if that didn't work . . . although it was editing code, so who knows . . .
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# [12:21] <AryehGregor> summary: Bug 687400: Kill Node.isSameNode. r=smaug
# [12:21] <AryehGregor> Helpful!
# [12:21] <AryehGregor> - *aResult = other == this;
# [12:21] <AryehGregor> Okay, so I was right.
# [12:21] <AryehGregor> Back to work.
# [12:23] <sewardj> bsmedberg: ping (question re xpcom/threads/HangMonitor.cpp)
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# [12:27] <AryehGregor> JesperHansen, http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-button-element.html#attr-button-type
# [12:27] <AryehGregor> "The missing value default is the Submit Button state."
# [12:27] <AryehGregor> So yes.
# [12:27] <AryehGregor> Per spec.
# [12:28] <AryehGregor> Probably in implementations too -- this is likely to have been interoperable forever.
# [12:28] <JesperHansen> AryehGregor: ty
# [12:28] <JesperHansen> copying js library did form submit. Was wondering why
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# [12:39] <AryehGregor> Does anyone know why grep -R always gives me errors like: grep: ./objdir-ff-release/dist/idl/nsIDOMGeoPositionOptions.idl: No such file or directory
# [12:39] <AryehGregor> Currently I add 2>/dev/null at the end of all my greps, but it's annoying . . .
# [12:39] <darktrojan> dead symlinks
# [12:39] <AryehGregor> Ah, interesting.
# [12:39] <AryehGregor> That makes sense.
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# [12:42] <edmorley> $ inbound-outstanding
# [12:42] <edmorley> 130
# [12:42] <edmorley> oh boy
# [12:42] <edmorley> and tip is the first push in like a million csets that isn't busted on win debug
# [12:42] <edmorley> looks like it'll just have to be a large merge
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# [12:44] <darktrojan> merge all the things
# [12:46] <AryehGregor> If I have an nsIContent that I know is a text node, what's the recommended way to call SplitText on it? nsCOMPtr<nsIDOMTextNode> nodeAsText = do_QueryInterface(node)?
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# [12:50] <Fallen> So then question with modified words again: any ircop around? :)
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# [13:21] <AutomatedTester> silly question, what does mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-j4" in .mozconfig do?
# [13:22] <AutomatedTester> parallel builds?
# [13:22] <janv> man make
# [13:22] <janv> Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously.
# [13:22] <janv> yes
# [13:22] <AutomatedTester> ok
# [13:23] <edmorley> AutomatedTester: suggested value is 1.5 to 2 x number of cores
# [13:23] <edmorley> though YMMV
# [13:23] <edmorley> and if windows, must be using pymake
# [13:23] <AutomatedTester> anyone seen g++ throwing errors when that is in .mozconfig on x64 ubuntu?
# [13:23] <janv> on my macbook air (ssd drive) the optimal value is 1 x number of cores
# [13:24] <janv> err
# [13:24] <janv> 1 x number of hw threads
# [13:25] <janv> so it has 2 cores
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# [13:25] <janv> and optimal -j is 4
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# [13:26] <AutomatedTester> I had it as 4 last night on my box and during JS complilation it died saying I should raise a bug with gcc
# [13:26] <AutomatedTester> but no one else last night could reproduce
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# [13:30] <AutomatedTester> and today it works...
# [13:30] <AutomatedTester> mutha chuffer
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# [13:43] <AryehGregor> Why does nsIContent::GetElementParent() return nsINode* instead of dom::Element*?
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# [13:44] <@smaug> GetElementParent?
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# [13:44] <@smaug> is that something very new ?
# [13:45] <AryehGregor> Bug 685798
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# [13:46] <legacy> can Mozilla please remove http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all-older.html ?
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# [13:46] <legacy> since 3.6 is no longer support, but still too easy for anyone to download 3.6.28
# [13:47] <legacy> no longer supported I mean
# [13:47] <smaug> AryehGregor: I believe it would create pretty bad #include problems, if nsINode::GetElementParent would return element
# [13:47] <smaug> er, Element
# [13:47] <smaug> AryehGregor: I could be wrong
# [13:47] <AryehGregor> Why?
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# [13:47] <smaug> you'd need to include Element.h
# [13:48] <smaug> Note, GetElementParent is inline
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> Why? The class is already forward-declared.
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> And AsElement() already returns a dom::Element.
# [13:49] <smaug> AsElement isn't inline
# [13:49] <AryehGregor> Hmm.
# [13:49] <smaug> so forward declaration is enough for it
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# [13:49] <AryehGregor> Confusing.
# [13:50] <smaug> you can't really use Element in nsINode.h without knowing what Element is
# [13:50] <smaug> whaat, did I add GetElementParent :)
# [13:50] <edmorley> TBPL issues filed as bug 748720, for anyone following along
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# [13:51] <smaug> AryehGregor: perhaps we could move the inline implementation of GetElementParent to Element.h
# [13:52] <smaug> AryehGregor: similar to nsINode::GetOwnerDocument()
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# [13:52] <smaug> which is inlined in nsIDocument.h
# [13:52] <smaug> AryehGregor: if you write a patch, I'd be happy to review
# [13:52] <AryehGregor> smaug, hmm, okay.
# [13:53] <edmorley> legacy: think there was a bug on that, looking
# [13:53] <edmorley> legacy: that page has quite a bit of google juice, so believe they were going to go with a redirect
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# [13:56] <smaug> AryehGregor: so Bug 702948 is ready for a review ?
# [13:57] <AryehGregor> smaug, yes, try run is clean.
# [13:57] <smaug> ok, let's try it
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# [13:58] <smaug> AryehGregor: could you occasionally look at telemetry data
# [13:58] <smaug> especially Aurora
# [13:58] <decoder> glandium: ping?
# [13:58] <AryehGregor> Do you really expect it to ever say anything other than 99.99% non-detached?
# [13:58] <smaug> no
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# [13:59] <smaug> AryehGregor: but I don't want to repeat taintEnabled() mess
# [14:00] * AryehGregor isn't familiar
# [14:00] <smaug> although in that case, I think, no one even checked Google code search
# [14:00] <smaug> AryehGregor: taintEnabled() is a no-op method in Gecko. Somewhere in .navigator, IIRC
# [14:00] <smaug> we tried to remove it and broken plenty of pages
# [14:00] <smaug> s/broken/broke/
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# [14:01] <smaug> AryehGregor: no other browser has taintEnabled()
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# [14:01] <smaug> except NN4.x or NN3.x
# [14:02] <AryehGregor> Well, we're just making it a no-op.
# [14:02] <smaug> sure
# [14:02] <AryehGregor> Were all those pages already broken in IE?
# [14:02] <AryehGregor> And WebKit?
# [14:02] <smaug> no
# [14:02] <smaug> it was used for browser detection in some cases
# [14:02] <smaug> so it was a different kind of case
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# [14:03] <smaug> but still, don't underestimate the insanity in the web :)
# [14:04] <smaug> AryehGregor: also, we seem to take most of the hit when removing old bad APIs. Other browsers have been more reluctant to cleanup the APIs
# [14:04] <AryehGregor> I'm not, but telemetry won't help us tell if pages break . . . I've seen lots of cases where Range.detach() is called and then the range is never touched again.
# [14:04] <AryehGregor> Yes, that's true.
# [14:04] <smaug> so, I just want to be careful
# [14:05] <AryehGregor> I'm all for being careful.
# [14:05] <smaug> so, it is good to land the change now, early in FF15
# [14:05] <AryehGregor> smaug, I think we can just do this:
# [14:05] <AryehGregor> - return mParent && mParent->IsElement() ? mParent : nsnull;
# [14:05] <AryehGregor> + return mParent && mParent->IsElement() ? mParent->AsElement() : nsnull;
# [14:05] * AryehGregor tries
# [14:05] <smaug> AryehGregor: that is slower
# [14:06] <smaug> AsElement isn't inline
# [14:06] <AryehGregor> Oh.
# [14:06] <AryehGregor> Okay.
# [14:06] <AryehGregor> Wait, it's not?
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# [14:06] <AryehGregor> It's declared as inline at the bottom of Element.h.
# [14:06] <smaug> ah, right
# [14:06] <smaug> that would be good then
# [14:07] <smaug> I guess it should work
# [14:07] <edmorley> legacy: sorry, I still can't find it
# [14:08] <smaug> AryehGregor: could you add a comment to nsINode::AsElement that it is inline, and that its implementation is in Element.h
# [14:08] <decoder> who should I ask for review when adding a new file to build/ ? im adding a suppression file there for address sanitizer that is required during builds
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# [14:08] <AryehGregor> smaug, okay.
# [14:08] <smaug> thanks
# [14:09] <smaug> decoder: ted or khuey|away , I think
# [14:09] <decoder> smaug: ok thx
# [14:09] <edmorley> legacy: 3.6 was only EOL as of yesterday, I'm sure the page will be taken down soon. I've pinged someone who has been doing the start page redesign (update prompt on the google.com/firefox page) to see if they know about it
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# [14:16] <glandium> decoder: pong
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# [14:17] <darktrojan> what's an .mm?
# [14:18] <decoder> glandium: hey! :)
# [14:18] <smaug> hey, is there some documentation about try syntax in Whiteboard
# [14:18] <decoder> glandium: I have a problem with glibc symbols being included in my adress sanitizer build that shouldnt
# [14:18] <decoder> glandium: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/decoder@own-hero.net-7f75311f4be6/try-linux64-debug/try-linux64-debug-bm27-try1-build973.txt.gz
# [14:19] <decoder> can you give me advise how to fix that?
# [14:19] <decoder> I tried adding those to build/stdc++compat.cpp but they seem already to be there
# [14:20] <AryehGregor> smaug, https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering:Autoland
# [14:20] <AryehGregor> https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering:Autoland#Tag_syntax
# [14:20] * NeilAway wonders what heycam's "hg qnew xx; hg qpop; hg qpop; hg qfold xx; hg qpush" does that hg qref doesn't
# [14:20] <AryehGregor> NeilAway, it folds current changes into the patch before the current one, doesn't it?
# [14:21] <AryehGregor> qref is only the current patch.
# [14:21] <darktrojan> that
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# [14:22] <WG9s> Anyone know wha;t up with tbpl? seems to not be finding matching bugs anymore.
# [14:22] <darktrojan> bugzilla was having trouble earlier
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# [14:24] <AryehGregor> WG9s, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748720
# [14:24] <WG9s> So perhaps some periodic process related to tbpl crateing somthing it uses to search bugs needs to be rerun?
# [14:24] <WG9s> OK thanks
# [14:24] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: ok, but that's still the same as a qref + qfold, no?
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# [14:25] <AryehGregor> NeilAway, no, because you're leaving the top patch intact. You're modifying the next-to-top patch.
# [14:25] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: oh, you can fold nonconsecutive patches?
# [14:25] <AryehGregor> Apparently.
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# [14:25] <AryehGregor> Of course, if you do this then the qpush at the end will probably result in a conflict, because mq can't merge sensibly. :(
# [14:25] <AryehGregor> That's the thing I hate most about it.
# [14:26] <AryehGregor> It's a lot simpler than git, I'll grant it that.
# [14:26] <AryehGregor> But rebase works so much better.
# [14:26] <AryehGregor> (and yes, I can probably try rebasing with mq too, but rebase in hg is destructive last I checked, unlike git . . . has that changed?)
# [14:26] <glandium> decoder: it's "simpler" than that
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# [14:27] <decoder> glandium: thats good to hear^_^
# [14:27] <glandium> decoder: stdc++compat.cpp is not built in that directory, while it is in others (e.g. toolkit/library). Just find out why
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# [14:27] <decoder> hmm
# [14:28] <NeilAway> edmorley: "only" 20mb?
# [14:28] <decoder> i dont know how adding asan would change what is built there..
# [14:28] <NeilAway> edmorley: is that BT Fusion?
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# [14:29] <decoder> glandium: with "that directory," i guess you mean the ssltunnel directory?
# [14:29] <glandium> decoder: looking at it, using stdc++compat is opt-in, so you have to opt-in. (And it would seem that it's because of asan that you need it, it's not a general thing)
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# [14:31] <decoder> glandium: assuming that asan is used everywhere to compile, it would probably make sense to make it opt-out for that build type, right?
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# [14:31] <glandium> decoder: or make it auto-opt-in
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# [14:33] <edmorley> NeilAway: not sure
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# [14:33] <edmorley> NeilAway: I mean "only" in the sense of 20mb divided by office, vs my home (http://www.speedtest.net/result/1426608927.png) divided by me :-)
# [14:34] <edmorley> however the office is 1:1 contention, so not quite apples with apples
# [14:34] <darktrojan> how many in the office?
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# [14:35] <NeilAway> darktrojan: objective-c++?
# [14:35] <darktrojan> ew
# [14:35] <sheppy> Talk about an unholy alliance.
# [14:35] <decoder> glandium: how would I do that?
# [14:35] <NeilAway> edmorley: so is that BT fusion in the screenshot?
# [14:35] <edmorley> BT infinity
# [14:36] <darktrojan> infinity is just nothing with a twist
# [14:36] <edmorley> they've just announced infinity 2, which would increase it to 50-60 down, ~18 up on my line too :-)
# [14:36] <NeilAway> edmorley: sorry, I meant Infinity, thanks
# [14:37] <edmorley> (aside from the fact that I find infinity 2 as a product name amusing
# [14:37] <edmorley> )
# [14:37] <NeilAway> edmorley: you obviously don't know your surreal numbers backwards and forwards
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# [14:37] <darktrojan> infinity²
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# [14:39] <glandium> decoder: maybe something like that http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1596422 , with some additional ifdef to do that with asan only
# [14:39] <NeilAway> edmorley: office only gets 5mb ADSL :s
# [14:39] <glandium> decoder: I don't guarantee this works
# [14:40] <edmorley> NeilAway: ah
# [14:40] <decoder> glandium: thanks! ill see if I can get a green try build with that finally =)
# [14:41] <glandium> decoder: I have a better idea, though, but that'll need some testing
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# [14:41] <@ted> edmorley: ! you have some fast internet
# [14:42] <darktrojan> was that ! a negation operator?
# [14:42] <@ted> that was the interjection operator
# [14:42] <dwarfcrank> wouldn't that be !fast then?
# [14:42] <dwarfcrank> ah
# [14:43] <@ted> i was going to swear but there are a lot of people in this channel
# [14:43] <sheppy> So?
# [14:43] <@ted> i didn't want to offend
# [14:43] <edmorley> heh
# [14:43] <decoder> glandium: testing wont be a problem, im trying to solve these problems since monday^^ i can perfectly build locally, but the linux build slaves dont like me
# [14:43] <dwarfcrank> my friend has 100M/10M at his place, gotta love student apartments with fiber
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# [14:44] <sheppy> Dang.
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# [14:44] <glandium> decoder: you can remove the --enable-stdxxcompat from the mozconfig on your trys
# [14:44] * @ted has 1.5Mbit DSL :-/
# [14:44] <dwarfcrank> hope I can have it too when I start university in fall :)
# [14:44] <decoder> glandium: no i cant. i get an error then.. one sec ill search the log for you
# [14:44] <AutomatedTester> ted: I have the same :/
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# [14:45] <sheppy> I have 20 Mbit cable but only seem to get about 12 or 15 out of it.
# [14:45] <@ted> good, we can commiserate
# [14:45] <darktrojan> ew, I thought my 5Mbit was bad
# [14:45] <sheppy> Honestly.
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# [14:45] <darktrojan> and that was before it got upgraded
# [14:45] <glandium> I thought my 4Mbit was bad
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# [14:46] <sheppy> Of course, I pay for this because I work at home and less would be suck ass.
# [14:46] <decoder> glandium: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/decoder@own-hero.net-fc24342ea94b/try-linux64-debug/try-linux64-debug-bm27-try1-build975.txt.gz
# [14:46] <dwarfcrank> I get like 6-7Mbit on my phone in most places :/
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# [14:46] <dwarfcrank> Gotta love Finland's dirt cheap mobile internet
# [14:46] <@ted> i'll probably upgrade to cable at some point
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# [14:47] <glandium> decoder: ah yeah, that's actually expected. just forgot about it
# [14:47] <@ted> dwarfcrank: i barely have 3G coverage where I am
# [14:47] <glandium> my 3g can sometimes be faster than my dsl
# [14:47] <edmorley> the trouble is that it doesn't take long to get really used to a nice connection; hard to go back
# [14:48] <sheppy> edmorley: yeah, boy howdy
# [14:48] <glandium> edmorley: yeah, i had this problem when i came back from japan, where i had fiber
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# [14:49] <dwarfcrank> ted: Heh, cities are pretty well covered with HSDPA here
# [14:49] * sheppy thinks back to how exciting it was when the game company he worked for got 256kbps frame relay. Boy, times have changed.
# [14:49] <@ted> i'm not exactly in a city
# [14:49] <sheppy> Heh
# [14:50] <dwarfcrank> Ah
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# [14:50] <@ted> http://g.co/maps/9fz8m
# [14:51] <dwarfcrank> time to fibd the US embassy in Helsinki, wish me luck
# [14:51] <dwarfcrank> find*
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# [14:51] <darktrojan> ted, that's slightly in the middle of nowhere :)
# [14:51] <glandium> ted: you're in the middle of nowhere !
# [14:52] <darktrojan> snap
# [14:52] <@ted> hah
# [14:52] <@ted> yeah, pretty much
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# [14:52] <sheppy> glandium: no, he's just immediately adjacent to the middle of nowhere.
# [14:52] <@ted> it's not terrible
# [14:52] <@ted> < 10 minute drive to the nearest town
# [14:52] <glandium> sheppy: and near that, there's moscow
# [14:52] <@ted> ~20 minutes drive to get to the city
# [14:52] <sheppy> That's a pretty good place to live, really.
# [14:52] <@ted> glandium: that is indeed the nearest town
# [14:52] <sheppy> Semi-rural FTW.
# [14:53] <@ted> although i guess hamlin is about equidistant
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# [14:53] <@ted> sheppy: it's pretty rural right here, it's just not terribly far out from civilization
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# [14:53] <sheppy> Right
# [14:53] <rclick> ted: At least you can get DSL there.
# [14:53] <glandium> isn't it almost time to sleep in moscow? ;)
# [14:53] <smontagu> not even covered by google street view
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# [14:53] <glandium> or at least call it a day
# [14:53] <@ted> rclick: true
# [14:54] <@ted> smontagu: it's a dirt road, heh
# [14:54] <sheppy> Nice.
# [14:54] <@ted> is that the true test of whether you live in the middle of nowhere? no street view?
# [14:54] <@ted> i can go take a picture of my driveway if you want :-p
# [14:54] <sheppy> Heh
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# [14:55] <decoder> ted: you're up early arent you? :D
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# [14:55] <@ted> decoder: i am almost always working by 7am
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# [14:55] <darktrojan> mad
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# [14:56] <edmorley> darktrojan: children
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# [14:56] <darktrojan> oh
# [14:56] <darktrojan> says it all really
# [14:56] <edmorley> or at least I'm presuming that's why
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# [14:57] <@ted> that's a lot of it, certainly
# [14:57] <@ted> my daughter was up at 6am
# [14:57] <darktrojan> \o/ my patch survived building on try
# [14:57] <sheppy> Woot
# [14:58] <sheppy> Kids change your schedule a lot. It's why I've been up for 2 hours already.
# [14:58] <glandium> decoder: can you file a bug for the stdc++compat thing, I'll implement my idea
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# [15:02] <decoder> glandium: you mean the one to solve the asan specific problem that stdc++compat is needed everywhere?
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# [15:03] <glandium> decoder: yes, and i'm just going to put it everywhere, everytime
# [15:03] <decoder> okay ill file :)
# [15:03] <glandium> thanks
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# [15:03] <decoder> i dont know why exactly asan needs it there, but i do know that parts of asan are written in C++ rather than C
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# [15:04] <decoder> i assume that the runtime library needs it and that is linked to every executable
# [15:04] <glandium> decoder: aiui, there's a static library for asan, that is linked everywhere
# [15:04] <glandium> if that static lib pulls these c++ symbols...
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# [15:04] <decoder> glandium: right @ static lib
# [15:05] <decoder> okay then i got it right :D
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# [15:06] <decoder> glandium: btw, I can perfectly build locally with --enable-stdcxx-compat + asan
# [15:06] <decoder> without any modifications
# [15:06] <decoder> the problem is only on the linux build slaves
# [15:06] <glandium> decoder: weird. what's your gcc version?
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# [15:07] <decoder> glandium: 4.6 on the machine where it works
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# [15:07] <decoder> build slaves have 4.5 I think
# [15:08] <darktrojan> ooh, my patch built on all the platforms
# [15:08] <darktrojan> even better
# [15:08] <sheppy> Yay
# [15:08] <glandium> decoder: you should have the same problem as build slaves, then
# [15:08] <glandium> decoder: (the "we don't want these symbols" one)
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# [15:08] <darktrojan> doesn't work, but it built
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# [15:09] <sheppy> Heh
# [15:09] <decoder> glandium: hm wait.. im using a special chroot for building, the gcc version there might be different
# [15:09] <decoder> one sec
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# [15:09] <decoder> glandium: it's 4.4 in the build chroot i use
# [15:10] <glandium> decoder: ah then that's normal you don't get the error :)
# [15:10] <decoder> whats the difference?
# [15:10] <glandium> decoder: the symbols slaves barf on are new to gcc 4.5
# [15:10] <decoder> ah
# [15:11] <AryehGregor> Why does everything use "nsIAtom*" instead of "const nsIAtom*"?
# [15:11] <AryehGregor> nsIAtom* is basically always const, isn't it?
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# [15:13] <decoder> glandium: filed bug 748739
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# [15:13] <decoder> i also have a try run running now with your change to see if that solves the problem
# [15:13] <glandium> decoder: thanks
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# [15:18] * darktrojan wonders if there's a prize for an all-orange push https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=daf77560d70b
# [15:18] <darktrojan> damn you greens!
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# [15:19] <jgilbert> darktrojan: impressive :P
# [15:20] <darktrojan> ty
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# [15:21] <jfkthame> AryehGregor: not if it has AddRef / Release called on it
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# [15:22] <jfkthame> though in many cases i expect it'd be fine to declare them const, and we should do so for preference
# [15:23] <AryehGregor> Hmm.
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# [15:24] <jfkthame> (there are actually lots of occurrences of "const nsIAtom*" in the tree already)
# [15:24] <decoder> glandium: thank you for helping me with these issues. getting these builds is an important goal for security team this Q
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# [15:29] <gavin> Fallen: I'm around
# [15:29] <AryehGregor> jfkthame, is there any way to declare an IDL-generated method const? Because otherwise, you can't call things like ToString() on a const nsIAtom*, can you?
# [15:30] <Matti> we still have "general.useragent.locale" this can be removed, right ?
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# [15:30] <Fallen> gavin: already taken care of, thanks!
# [15:30] <jfkthame> AryehGregor: sorry, i don't know - better ask someone who knows about IDL
# [15:30] <AryehGregor> Okay, thanks.
# [15:30] <Fallen> gavin: #calendar was somehow no longer a registered channel
# [15:30] <Fallen> but fixed now
# [15:30] <gavin> ok!
# [15:30] <glandium> decoder: I'm trying this https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/2d7fc3b835ad
# [15:31] <AryehGregor> Doesn't look like it . . .
# [15:31] <glandium> Matti: there's plenty of Gecko code relying on that
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# [15:32] <AryehGregor> E.g., there are no const methods in nsIDOMNode.h.
# [15:32] <Matti> glandium: for what ? I thought it was only used for the locale string in the UA and that got removed
# [15:33] <glandium> Matti: to know what locale is in use in UI
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# [15:34] <sheeri> FYI Bugzilla is down, this is a known issue
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# [15:34] <bhearsum> thanks sheeri
# [15:34] <sheeri> np
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# [15:35] <sheeri> although we do appreciate ppl letting us know, because we knew 2 minutes before our monitoring systems told us due to ppl telling us
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# [15:36] <sheeri> I expect a few mozilla memes from this! (it's the load balancer's problem)
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# [15:36] <darktrojan> can't work due to bugzilla outage? make memes instead!
# [15:37] <Standard8> sheeri: I'm possibly seeing wobbly hg as well....
# [15:37] <jfkthame> someone remind me, what's our preferred version of an assert-like thing that'll work in a non-debug build?
# [15:37] <darktrojan> jfkthame, is it exit(1)?
# [15:38] <sheeri> bugzilla's up again
# [15:38] * sheeri changes topic to 'm-c OPEN || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [15:38] <bhearsum> sheeri: need to give nagios some better drugs?
# [15:38] <sheeri> bhearsum no, we can't check it every minute, would kill nagios
# [15:38] <AryehGregor> Surprise, surprise: changing nsIAtom.idl makes lots of stuff get recompiled. :/
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# [15:43] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: yeah, idl doesn't really like const
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# [15:43] <sheeri> Standard8 is hg still wobbly? bugzilla is fine
# [15:43] <GPHemsley> When does the Aurora 14 update go out?
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# [15:43] <AryehGregor> Wow, old argument: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7646
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# [15:44] <darktrojan> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3oyo7l/
# [15:44] <decoder> glandium: try run finished :/ http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/decoder@own-hero.net-2e0fc37f792f/try-linux64-debug/try-linux64-debug-bm09-try1-build3897.txt.gz
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# [15:44] <sheeri> darktrojan++
# [15:44] <Standard8> sheeri: I was getting some slow / not completing connections, seems to have recovered now though
# [15:44] <decoder> glandium: checking your link now :)
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# [15:45] <sheeri> Standard8 OK, great, just following up. we didn't tough hg, this is related to server moves and such, and hg wasn't anywhere near that
# [15:45] <decoder> glandium: let me know when I should send this to try with asan
# [15:45] <sheeri> Standard8 so I just needed to know if I needed to follow up more :D
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# [15:45] <glandium> decoder: your error seems unrelated
# [15:46] <decoder> i didnt change anything besides your change.. hm
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# [15:46] <glandium> decoder: btw, i wouldn't advise putting all these flags in CC, but adding them to C*FLAGS
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# [15:52] <decoder> glandium: i dont have them in CC?
# [15:53] <decoder> export CFLAGS="$ASANFLAGS"
# [15:53] <decoder> export CXXFLAGS="$ASANFLAGS"
# [15:53] <decoder> export CC="/tools/clang-3.0-r152341.moz0/bin/clang -fgnu89-inline"
# [15:53] <decoder> export CXX="/tools/clang-3.0-r152341.moz0/bin/clang++"
# [15:53] <decoder> is what I got
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# [15:54] <glandium> decoder: look at your error in http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/decoder@own-hero.net-2e0fc37f792f/try-linux64-debug/try-linux64-debug-bm09-try1-build3897.txt.gz
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# [15:55] <decoder> glandium: but thats correct. the flags have always been in that place
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# [15:55] <decoder> and thats usually ok
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# [15:56] <decoder> ill revert the compat change and see if the error goes away
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# [15:57] <decoder> ill try to repro locally fist
# [15:57] <decoder> *first
# [15:57] <glandium> decoder: the change was in config/rules.mk, we don't reach that file during configure
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# [15:58] <decoder> glandium: then something on the build slave must have changed. because apart from config/rules.mk, the try run is identical to the previous (which worked)
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# [15:59] <glandium> decoder: unfortunately, since we don't have config.log output, we can't know what was going wrong
# [15:59] <decoder> yea. it would be a cool feature to have that log
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# [16:00] <glandium> decoder: we should be able to have configure dump config.log output when it fails
# [16:00] <@smaug> is bugzilla superslow again?
# [16:01] <glandium> or the tinderbox scripts could do that
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# [16:04] <decoder> glandium: yea they only would have to determine which config.log to send. because that failure could also happen in any sub-configure
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# [16:04] <decoder> i had the case on monday where some lib in js/src/ failed to configure because it was guessing gcc although CC=clang
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# [16:04] <decoder> in that case the config.log was in a subdir
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# [16:12] <edmorley> gerv: ping
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# [16:12] <gerv> pong.
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# [16:13] <edmorley> hi gerv - don't suppose you have a moment to help IT with bzapi issues that's causing TBPL to not work? :-)
# [16:13] <gerv> Of course I do.
# [16:13] <gerv> What's the problem?
# [16:13] <edmorley> gerv: thank you :-) (#it)
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# [16:18] <edmorley> ehsan: oh, I was waiting on pgo
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# [16:18] <edmorley> (not that I anticipated any problems :-))
# [16:18] <@ehsan> edmorley: we did have one :)
# [16:18] <edmorley> ehsan: not win opt tests yet
# [16:19] <edmorley> but it will be fine :-)
# [16:19] <@ehsan> wait
# [16:19] * @ehsan looks again
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# [16:20] <edmorley> it's unlikely the backout caused any issues, and there is pgo a couple of pushes below, so I don't see it being a problem
# [16:20] <@ehsan> https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-inbound/rev/cdb6904fa2cf
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# [16:21] <decoder> glandium: out of curiosity, what would happen if we just "ignored" the additional symbols pulled in?
# [16:21] <glandium> decoder: the binaries not being able to run on the build slaves, and, more importantly, on some user systems
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# [16:22] <decoder> glandium: okay. thats not a good option then^^
# [16:23] <rail-buildduty> HEADS UP! there is a planned downtime in less then 2 hours
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# [16:24] <JesperHansen> rail-buildduty: downtime of what?
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# [16:26] <@smaug> tn: ping
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# [16:26] <rail-buildduty> a lot of machines are moving to SCL3, the build infrastructure will be down (at least), for the details see the dev.planning announcement
# [16:26] <edmorley> JesperHansen: everything
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# [16:27] <jgilbert> how long's it scheduled for?
# [16:27] <edmorley> JesperHansen: trees, zimbra, buildapi etc
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# [16:27] * jgilbert should probably just check his email >>
# [16:27] <rail-buildduty> ~3hrs
# [16:28] <jgilbert> can we get that info in the topic? :)
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# [16:28] <@smaug> argh, some merge
# [16:29] <@smaug> just when I was going to push to m-c
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# [16:29] <JesperHansen> dolske is the man for topic updates. He's always around!
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# [16:33] <decoder> glandium: at least I ran reproduce the original error with additional symbols now locally using gcc 4.6
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# [16:34] <glandium> decoder: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=9745ebed5e99 this should be good (after a few failed attempts)
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# [16:34] <decoder> glandium: awesome. im going to try that locally and then on try with asan :)
# [16:34] <decoder> thx
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# [16:35] <decoder> glandium: later on we still need to ifdef all of this for asan only I guess, right?
# [16:35] <glandium> decoder: nope
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# [16:35] <glandium> decoder: that will save us from having the add $(STDCXX_COMPAT) in directories that require it for some reason in the future
# [16:35] <decoder> glandium: thats cool
# [16:36] <espindola> is anyone else seeing a freeze when running
# [16:36] <espindola> make SOLO_FILE="docshell/test/unit/test_pb_notification.js" -C docshell/test check-one
# [16:36] <espindola> ?
# [16:36] <glandium> (like we had to do in all those directories where i remove it)
# [16:36] <glandium> decoder: otoh, since it's now building as a library, it also shouldn't be in final binaries where it's not needed
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# [16:37] <glandium> (thanks to linker discarding object files with unused symbols in static libs)
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# [16:37] <glandium> so the result from my try above should be the same as before
# [16:37] <glandium> except more convenient
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# [16:38] <decoder> glandium: nice :) trying the build locally now
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# [16:43] <espindola> ehsan, is the github clone updating?
# [16:43] <@ehsan> espindola: yes
# [16:43] <AryehGregor> Is autoland not working?
# [16:43] <AryehGregor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748725
# [16:43] <espindola> last rev is from Yesterday...
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# [16:44] <@ehsan> espindola: that's because nothing landed
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# [16:44] <@ehsan> espindola: try pulling again in a few mins
# [16:44] <espindola> ehsan, hg has newer revisions
# [16:44] <espindola> last one on git is
# [16:44] <espindola> Bug 731832 - Backout bug 587021 for breaking a specific web page; r=bz
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# [16:44] <@ehsan> espindola: yeah the cron job runs every half hour
# [16:45] <@ehsan> and it takes some time for the conversion to finish
# [16:45] <@ehsan> (it's expensive)
# [16:45] <espindola> ok, thanks
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# [16:46] <NeilAway> sheeri: we should file one now in readiness for next time ;-)
# [16:46] <sheeri> NeilAway file one what? mozillameme?
# [16:47] <NeilAway> sheeri: bugzilla being down
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# [16:47] <sheeri> ah, file a bug :D
# [16:47] <sheeri> you could get clever
# [16:47] <sheeri> file a bug that says "bugzilla is not down" and when it is down, YOU CAN'T CLOSE IT!
# [16:48] <NeilAway> sheeri: well, you could file a bug now, so that when it goes down, you can say " ah yes, that's bug 789123 " ;-)
# [16:49] <@smaug> ehsan: by any chance, will you be watching m-c for some time
# [16:49] <@smaug> I could push 2 patches, but I need to go in 15 mins
# [16:50] <@ehsan> smaug: yeah
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# [16:50] <decoder> glandium: locally, Im just getting a build failure about "ar: host_stdc++compat.o: No such file or directory"
# [16:50] <sheeri> NeilAway hah
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# [16:50] * @smaug just re-compiles after the recent merge
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# [16:51] <sheeri> NeilAway we'd have to wait until a big rollover, maybe like bug 800000
# [16:51] <glandium> decoder: O_o
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# [16:52] <AryehGregor> lsblakk, should I pester you when autoland doesn't work? :) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748725
# [16:52] <lsblakk> AryehGregor: is bugzilla down right now?
# [16:52] <AryehGregor> lsblakk, no.
# [16:52] <decoder> glandium: trying without asan now.. to see if it's related to asan
# [16:52] <decoder> nope, same failure with plain clang
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# [16:54] <lsblakk> AryehGregor: i'll look into it, thanks for pointing it out
# [16:54] <glandium> decoder: log?
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# [16:55] <decoder> glandium: http://users.own-hero.net/~decoder/build.txt
# [16:55] <@ehsan> espindola: the update is now finished, fwiw
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# [16:56] <espindola> ehsan, thanks!
# [16:56] <glandium> decoder: O_o why doesn't it build that file?
# [16:56] <glandium> decoder: what if you make -C objdir/build/unix/stdc++compat host_stdc++compat.o ?
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# [16:57] <mjessome> AryehGregor: Have you flagged a bug that hasn't been picked up?
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# [16:57] <AryehGregor> mjessome, yes, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748725
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# [16:57] <mjessome> thanks.
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# [17:01] <decoder> glandium:
# [17:01] <decoder> make: Entering directory `/srv/repos/browser/mozilla-central/objdir-ff-clang64dbg/build/unix/stdc++compat'
# [17:01] <decoder> make: Nothing to be done for `host_stdc++compat.o'.
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# [17:03] <mjessome> AryehGregor: Thanks for letting us know. Your jobs have been picked up.
# [17:03] <AryehGregor> Thanks.
# [17:03] <glandium> decoder: that doesn't make sense
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# [17:04] <@bz> So what would it take to stop exposing the "ask every time" cookie policy in the Firefox UI?
# [17:04] * @bz wonders whether he can just get necko fixed to stop honoring it....
# [17:04] <@ted> heh
# [17:04] <@ted> do people actually use that?
# [17:05] <@ted> that has to be a horrendous experience
# [17:05] <glandium> i tried once
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# [17:05] <glandium> i stopped after the starting firefox
# [17:05] <glandium> s/the/
# [17:06] <glandium> iirc, even the loading of live bookmarks triggers one
# [17:06] <glandium> (or even several)
# [17:06] <@ted> i am unsurprised
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# [17:07] <@bz> ted: apparently
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# [17:07] <@bz> ted: someone filed a bug about how localStorage breaks if you use it
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# [17:07] <@bz> ted: apparently they hadn't noticed the crashes....
# [17:07] <glandium> bz: a linux someone?
# [17:08] <@ted> huh
# [17:08] <glandium> I'd tend to think there are more linux users enabling that than for other platforms
# [17:08] <decoder> glandium: i dont like the fact that it does not make sense to you ;)
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# [17:09] <@bz> glandium: Eric Meyer
# [17:09] <glandium> decoder: erf
# [17:10] <glandium> bz: erf
# [17:10] <@bz> glandium: but yes, linux users are overrepresented in crazy shit like this
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# [17:10] <@bz> glandium: though I bet if you control for "technical ability" or some such the correlation goes away
# [17:10] <glandium> bz: yeah, that's possible
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# [17:12] <glandium> decoder: what does make -C objdir/build/unix/stdc++compat echo-variable-HOST_CPPSRCS say?
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# [17:12] <glandium> decoder: same with echo-variable-HOST_OBJS
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# [17:13] <nemo> ted: WRT ask every time, I don't personally use that. I do whitelist cookies though :)
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# [17:14] <decoder> glandium: stdc++compat.cpp and host_stdc++compat.o
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# [17:16] <glandium> decoder: and you have no changes to rules.mk/config.mk ?
# [17:16] <gaston> glandium: oh my there's introspection in makefiles ? didnt know that
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# [17:18] <gaston> that wont allow me to get MOZ_OBJDIR but still thats good to know
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# [17:19] <froydnj> why do we have nsRefPtr and mozilla::RefPtr?
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# [17:19] <Matti> i tried "ask every time" once and that was 5 years 5years ago. That's an unusable feature
# [17:20] <@bz> froydnj: the latter is much newer
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# [17:20] <@bz> froydnj: we could try to migrate uses of the former to the latter
# [17:20] <@bz> froydnj: long-term
# [17:20] <glandium> froydnj: one is old, one is new
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# [17:20] <decoder> glandium: only those added by your patch
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# [17:21] <froydnj> we added RefPtr because we want to get away from stuff in xpcom? or just because?
# [17:21] <jlebar> doublec, ping?
# [17:21] <froydnj> xpcom/, even
# [17:21] <glandium> decoder: start afresh and try again with https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/248f2a95804c
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# [17:21] <@bz> froydnj: because jseng grew refcounted stuff
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# [17:21] <froydnj> ah, right
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# [17:21] <espindola> test_pb_notification.js is still frozen for me :-(
# [17:22] <glandium> bz: i'm using it in the android linker too :)
# [17:22] <glandium> and that can't really depend on xpcom
# [17:22] <decoder> glandium: fresh as in, use a new clone? i already delete the objdir with every run
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# [17:22] <jlebar> doublec, unping.
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# [17:23] <glandium> decoder: fresh as in make sure you have something clean, whatever that means in your environment
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# [17:23] <decoder> glandium: okay ill revert .
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# [17:23] <decoder> and check again that nothing is changed
# [17:23] <@bz> glandium: right
# [17:23] <decoder> i also got no mq patches in there, just checked
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# [17:23] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: ping
# [17:23] <AryehGregor> Is nsCOMArray deprecated? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_array_guide seems to be inconsistent.
# [17:24] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: yes?
# [17:24] <@bz> AryehGregor: generally, yes
# [17:24] <@bz> AryehGregor: imho
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# [17:24] <@ted> nsTArray or bust
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# [17:25] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: hey, not sure i understand your suggestion...are you saying to create a wrapper class for nsIApplicationService that implements each method by checking whether the instance exists, then forwarding that to the offline device?
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# [17:26] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: nsIAppCaSe has some method. implement them in a new class. current impl by nsOfflienCacheDevice has also some other method (not exposed in the iface). Leave them there and when needed by the new class, forward from the new class to the device
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# [17:26] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: the device will be obtained by your new method you already have in your patch
# [17:27] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: clear?
# [17:27] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: (s/method/methods/ on some places :))
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# [17:29] <decoder> glandium: same error. If you are in MV VPN, I can easily provide you a shell on the machine if that helps
# [17:29] <glandium> decoder: i can connect on the MV VPN
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# [17:30] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: hm...the problem that i was seeing was that GetInstance() was only called once since we're accessing nsIApplicationCacheService as an XPCOM service
# [17:30] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: if we leave it as a service, is there a way to make sure GetInstance() gets called again if the old one is destroyed?
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# [17:30] <bnicholson> (or nsCacheService->getApplicationCacheService() in the new patch)
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# [17:31] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: getinstance you talk about is creating the device, that is also imlmenetation of nsIAppCacheSer
# [17:31] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: you have to split them
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# [17:32] <mayhemer__> just have a normal, generic constructor for a new class nsApplicationCacheService : nsIApplicationCacheService
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# [17:33] <mayhemer__> and create the device with just new nsOfflineCacheDevice when needed (by your new method)
# [17:33] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: ok, i think that makes sense...i'll give it a try. thanks!
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# [17:34] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: me too, it's a great help from you!
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# [17:38] <Ms2ger> Thanks edmorley, WG9s for starring
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# [17:40] <Ms2ger> ...111 changesets omitted...
# [17:40] <Ms2ger> Gah
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# [17:41] <edmorley> Ms2ger: np
# [17:41] <edmorley> and indeed
# [17:41] <edmorley> couldn't merge sooner due to the win debug bustage
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# [17:43] <Ms2ger> Waldo--
# [17:44] <edmorley> to his credit, at least it wasn't (no bug) r=sparky a=themaid this time...
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# [17:45] <edmorley> although if it had been I would have at least got to use that memes
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# [17:45] <edmorley> s/s$//
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# [17:45] <hub> who shall I put in the review for a change to the Mac default build config? smichaud ?
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# [17:46] <edmorley> hub: ted loves build reviews
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# [17:46] <hub> edmorley: ok. good
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# [17:52] <Ms2ger> Old man
# [17:52] <edmorley> I suppose technically his changes weren't, if they never got built...
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# [17:57] <bear> edmorley - 10 minute warning for downtime
# [17:58] <edmorley> bear: thank you
# [17:58] <glandium> the best checkins are those that turn the tree red several checkins later
# [17:58] <edmorley> indeed
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# [17:58] * glandium excels in those
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# [17:59] <edmorley> bear: least I'll be able to file some bugs and get some other things done in the downtime :-)
# [17:59] <bear> :)
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# [17:59] <mjschranz> Question, if anyone can answer. I'm wondering if there is somehow a reason why calling focus on one iframe would work but not on another, before I go digging into the code to see if there is an issue with that.
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# [18:00] <rohan> you mean onfocus
# [18:00] <rohan> ?
# [18:00] <mjschranz> Well, I'm specifically calling the .focus method
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# [18:01] <mjschranz> I changed it to try calling focus on the contentWindow of the iframe, which worked in chrome although not firefox.
# [18:01] <mjschranz> So, I'm just trying to figure out if it's a code issue on my end or not.
# [18:03] <Ms2ger> jfkthame, MOZ_CRASH(), I guess
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# [18:04] <jfkthame> Ms2ger: thanks - i actually used MOZ_Assert, temporarily
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# [18:05] <jgilbert> have we not differentiated MOZ_ASSERT and MOZ_Assert yet?
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# [18:06] <rohan> jfkthame: did you get it solved?
# [18:06] <Ms2ger> jgilbert, can you poke Waldo about removing MOZ_Crash?
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# [18:06] <rohan> mjschranz: did you get it solved?
# [18:06] * bear changes topic to 'rees are CLOSED || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [18:07] <jgilbert> Ms2ger: I will have to poke him from afar until I get back to the office on Monday ><
# [18:07] <mjschranz> rohan: So far, not. Trying to see if I can reproduce it in a separate test page.
# [18:07] <Ms2ger> That's fine :)
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# [18:09] <edmorley> bear: what bug # for downtime, so I can update status?
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# [18:09] <bear> hmm, it's a multi-bug one
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# [18:12] <edmorley> ok, I've just put downtime for now (was saying tbpl issues)
# [18:12] <bear> edmorly - i've asked rail to file a covering bug for you
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# [18:15] <rail-buildduty> edmorley: bug 748814
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# [18:16] <edmorley> rail-buildduty: thank you :-)
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# [18:17] <rail-buildduty> np
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# [18:21] <edmorley> anyone who uses Pidgin have any ideas as to how to stop the Max Send Q exceeded kicks? my only workaround so far is to just join less channels (like < 7-8)
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# [18:26] <JesperHansen> edmorley: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/856631 this?
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# [18:27] <JesperHansen> edmorley: patch appears to comment out something that is hard coded
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# [18:30] <edmorley> anyone who uses Pidgin have any ideas as to how to stop the Max Send Q exceeded kicks? my only workaround so far is to just join less channels (like < 7-8)
# [18:31] <edmorley> whoops, wrong window
# [18:31] <edmorley> (for the ctrl+up + return)
# [18:31] <edmorley> JesperHansen: thanks, I;'ll take a look
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# [18:38] <@bz> anyone here know C++?
# [18:38] * @bz is running into a weird issue with templates, trying to understand what the heck is going on
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# [18:38] <jtcranmer> well, I wrote a brainfuck interpreter using only templates, does that count?
# [18:39] <@bz> yes
# [18:39] <@bz> template<class T> struct base {
# [18:39] <@bz> operator=(T* t) { ptr = t; }
# [18:39] <@bz> T* ptr;
# [18:39] <@bz> };
# [18:39] <@bz> template<class T> struct derived : public base<T> {};
# [18:39] <@bz> int main() {
# [18:39] <@bz> int a = 5;
# [18:39] <@bz> derived<int> b = &a;
# [18:39] <@bz> }
# [18:39] <@bz> Why does that not work?
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# [18:39] <@bz> Seems to not see the operator
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# [18:40] <@bsmedberg> bz: I'm pretty sure operator= is specced not to inherit
# [18:40] <@bz> bah
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# [18:43] <@bz> so a related question
# [18:43] <@bz> template<class T> struct base {
# [18:43] <@bz> T* ptr;
# [18:43] <@bz> };
# [18:43] <@bz> template<class T> struct derived : public base<T>
# [18:43] <@bz> {
# [18:43] <@bz> void operator=(T* t) { base<T>::ptr = t; }
# [18:43] <@bz> };
# [18:43] <@bz> Why is the "base<T>::" part needed?
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# [18:43] <jtcranmer> Because a copy assignment operator operator= is implicitly declared for a class if not declared by the
# [18:43] <jtcranmer> user (12.8), a base class assignment operator is always hidden by the copy assignment operator of the
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# [18:43] <jtcranmer> derived class.
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# [18:44] <jtcranmer> bz: I believe it's for the type-dependent name lookup
# [18:44] <@bz> hmm?
# [18:45] <jtcranmer> "In the definition of a class or class template, if a base class depends on a template-parameter, the base class
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# [18:45] <jtcranmer> scope is not examined during unqualified name lookup either at the point of definition of the class template
# [18:45] <jtcranmer> or member or during an instantiation of the class template or member."
# [18:45] * @bz sighs
# [18:46] <@bz> And I have to fully write out the "base<T>::" part?
# [18:46] <@bz> no way to say "my base"
# [18:46] * @bz cries
# [18:46] <@bz> class OwningNonNull : public NonNull_base<T, nsRefPtr<T> >
# [18:46] <@bz> in my case
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# [18:48] <@bz> or can I just say NonNull_base::
# [18:48] <@bz> and leave off the template params?
# [18:49] <@bz> nope
# [18:49] <jtcranmer> well, you can typedef NonNull_base<T, nsRefPtr<T> > base
# [18:49] <@bz> looks like I can't
# [18:49] <jtcranmer> and use base::ptr instead
# [18:49] <@bz> yeah
# [18:49] <@bz> if I'll need this in more than one method, I'll do that
# [18:50] <jtcranmer> you might be able to do using NonNull_base<T, nsRefPtr<T> >::ptr; as well
# [18:50] <@bz> yeah
# [18:50] <@bz> I can certainly do the latter
# [18:50] <@bz> it's just ridiculous
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# [18:53] <jtcranmer> yeah, the latter seems to work for me
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# [18:57] <@bz> "note: candidate template ignored: substitution failure [with U = nsCOMPtr_helper]
# [18:57] * @bz wonders _why_ it's ignored
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# [18:57] <@bz> Also, why U is nsCOMPtr_helper
# [18:58] <@bz> template<typename U>
# [18:58] <@bz> void init(U t) {
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# [18:58] <@bz> void operator=(const nsCOMPtr_helper& t) {
# [18:58] <@bz> base::init(t);
# [18:58] <rillian> is there way to get preprocessor symbols in a mochitest?
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# [18:58] <rillian> I'm trying to make a test pass with and without a particular feature compiled in
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# [18:59] <@bz> do_QueryObject does return an nsCOMPtr_helper, right?
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# [19:01] <jhammel> sounds like a mozillameme
# [19:01] <rillian> bz, a subclass thereof, it looks like, yes
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# [19:05] <mbrubeck> http://www.netmagazine.com/news/opera-confirms-webkit-prefix-usage-121923
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# [19:06] <WeirdAl> Hey, guys - looking at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/Downloading_Files it says nsIDownloader might be better, but it doesn't suggest how to start the download with the nsIDownloader
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# [19:07] <WeirdAl> so... how would I do that :)
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# [19:07] <@bz> mbrubeck: indeed
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# [19:10] <@smaug> no, mxr is not a generic search engine
# [19:10] <@smaug> it indexes only our source code, not the whole internet.
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# [19:10] <KWierso> Aww, the rees are CLOSED...
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# [19:12] <KWierso> WeirdAl: http://www.mail-archive.com/mozilla-xpcom@mozilla.org/msg05645.html
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# [19:13] <WeirdAl> KWierso: nice find. I found a JS testcase that did essentially the same thing.
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# [19:20] <@bz> man
# [19:20] <@bz> this inability to get to superclass members really blows
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# [19:21] <jtcranmer> blame template name lookup
# [19:21] <@bz> sure
# [19:21] <@bz> but the upshot is it sucks
# [19:21] <@bz> for functions it's livable
# [19:21] <@bz> but for a data member it's hell
# [19:21] <@bz> I want to return a T**
# [19:21] <@bz> my superclass has a T* member
# [19:21] <@bz> there's no way to do this
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# [19:24] <@bz> Maybe I should just give up on having this superclass
# [19:24] <@bz> it's more trouble than it's worth
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# [19:25] <@smaug> glandium: aren't PPC mac quite ancient
# [19:26] <froydnj> smaug: somewhat, yes
# [19:26] <glandium> smaug: they are, but there are people using old hardware
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# [19:30] <@smaug> so tree will be opened in 100mins?
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# [19:31] <ekr> bz: would a setter help here?
# [19:31] <ekr> Or is this more about beating the template system into submission? :)
# [19:32] <@bz> well
# [19:32] <@bz> it's a matter of how much other code I have to rewrite
# [19:32] <@bz> and how well the compiler will be able to optimize the result
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# [19:34] <ekr> Scrolling back, I'm not clear on what you are trying to do. You want to have a class foo<T> which implements operator equals with a T * value?
# [19:34] <ekr> s/value/rvalue/
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# [19:35] <edmorley> smaug: last ppc mac models available were way back in Q4 2006 aiui
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# [19:36] <@smaug> which is ancient
# [19:36] <gaston> what ? i'm not the only one to care about ppc ?
# [19:36] <gaston> (besides tenfourfox, of course)
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# [19:38] <@bz> ekr: lemme just pastebin the code I ended up with, ok?
# [19:39] <ekr> that would be great.
# [19:39] <@bz> ekr: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1596952
# [19:39] <ekr> And if you already have the problem solved, I'll shove off :)
# [19:39] <@bz> ekr: I had been trying to share code between NonNull and OwningNonNull via using a base class
# [19:40] <@bz> ekr: and then defining NonNull : public NonNull_base<T, T*> and similar for OwningNonNull with NonNull_base<T, nsRefPtr<T> >
# [19:40] <@bz> ekr: but then implementing things like NonNull::Slot() becomes sort of impossible
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# [19:40] <@bz> ekr: and while I can probably rewrite consumers to get stuff into a pointer on the stack and then use NonNull::operator=(T*)
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# [19:41] <@bz> ekr: I wasn't all that enthused about doing it
# [19:41] <ekr> yes, I can imagine
# [19:41] <@bz> So for now I've given up on the code-sharing
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# [19:42] <ekr> That seems reasonable.
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# [19:43] <ekr> Just out of curiosity, what is the guarantee of non-null supposed to be?
# [19:43] <froydnj> is there a replacement for enablePrivilege("UniversalXPConnect")? the MDN mochitest page says to not use enablePrivilege...?
# [19:44] <bent> froydnj, SpecialPowers
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# [19:44] <bent> froydnj, if it doesn't have the functionality you need then you get to add it!
# [19:44] <@bz> ekr: in what sense?
# [19:44] <@bz> ekr: the guarantee is that the pointer is not null
# [19:45] * @bz should add an assert in the operator& too
# [19:45] <ekr> OK, that's what I had thought, but doesn't Slot() potentially allow that variant to be violated?
# [19:45] <@bz> yes
# [19:45] <@bz> it does
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# [19:45] <@bz> "don't use Slot() if you plan to screw up"
# [19:45] <ekr> nice
# [19:45] <@bz> seriously
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# [19:45] <@bz> this is helper class for some machine-generated code
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# [19:46] <@ted> froydnj: actually bholley added some crazy wrapper things
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# [19:46] <ekr> Not unreasonable.
# [19:46] <@bz> which doesn't screw up
# [19:46] <@ted> that let you pull in basically any xpcom you want
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# [19:46] <froydnj> ted: I see SpecialPowers.wrap(Components); I guess that's the new hotness?
# [19:46] <@bz> I mean....
# [19:46] <ekr> thanks for explaining.
# [19:46] <bholley> froydnj: don't use enablePrivilege or I will hunt you down :-)
# [19:46] <@bz> in an opt build the operator= lets you screw up too
# [19:46] <@ted> froydnj: yeah, taht
# [19:46] <@ted> we should just get someone to fix the rest of the tests to use that
# [19:46] <froydnj> hm, but wrap doesn't seem to always be necessary?
# [19:46] <@ted> and call it a day
# [19:47] <@ted> froydnj: it's transitive
# [19:47] * @bz is not that happy, but this is simpler than the other options he was trying
# [19:47] <@ted> once you wrap everything you get from that wrapper is wrapped
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# [19:47] <froydnj> ah, so once you wrap Components, you can just refer to Components directly?
# [19:47] <bholley> froydnj: no
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# [19:47] <bholley> froydnj: myComponents = SpecialPowers.wrap(Components)
# [19:47] <@ted> you should really just talk to bholley
# [19:47] <@ted> he knows wtf he's talking about
# [19:48] <bholley> froydnj: then if you do myComponents.foo, foo will be wrapped as well
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# [19:48] <bholley> ted: I'm actually going to land a patch soon that just exposes Components to mochitests as "SpecialPowers.wrap(Components)"
# [19:48] <bholley> ted: because, in that same patch, Components will disappear from web content
# [19:48] <@ted> rad
# [19:48] <@ted> !
# [19:48] <froydnj> bholley: that patch would allow cleanup to go a lot faster
# [19:48] <bholley> froydnj: yeah
# [19:48] <@ted> indeed
# [19:49] <bholley> froydnj: then we just need to remove the enablePrivilege calls and see what breaks
# [19:49] <@ted> part of the original motivation for specialpowers was to make e10s work
# [19:49] <bholley> some stuff will, like fileInput.value
# [19:49] <@ted> but that motivation has sort of fallen by the wayside
# [19:49] <froydnj> bholley: ok, then I do not understand how this test works. oh well, I'll ignore it for now
# [19:49] <bholley> froydnj: how what test works?
# [19:49] <froydnj> bholley: content/base/test/test_bug375314.html, definition of Ci
# [19:49] <froydnj> line 25
# [19:50] <froydnj> doh, should have just mxr'd that
# [19:50] <bholley> froydnj: oh
# [19:50] <bholley> froydnj: Ci is available to web content
# [19:50] <bholley> froydnj: :-( :-( :-(
# [19:50] <froydnj> aha, that makes...sense
# [19:50] <@ted> bholley: is your patch going to fix that?
# [19:50] <bholley> ted: yep yep
# [19:50] <bent> wait
# [19:50] <bent> really?
# [19:50] <@ted> i eagerly await the results of what crazy shit breaks
# [19:50] <froydnj> bholley++
# [19:50] <bholley> it will be available only to XBL
# [19:51] <bent> that might just break... everything
# [19:51] <bholley> bent: mostly XBL
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# [19:51] <bholley> bent: and I'm going to put XBL bindings on a special parent chain, and define Components _there_
# [19:51] <bholley> bent: what else will it break?
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# [19:52] <bent> what about xhr constants?
# [19:52] <bent> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsIXMLHttpRequest.idl#300
# [19:52] <bent> you think web pages aren't using those?
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# [19:52] <bent> granted, they shouldn't... but that's a different animal entirely
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# [19:53] <bholley> bent: shrug, talk to jst and bz - this is their idea
# [19:53] <bent> i'm with ted, expect crazy brokenness
# [19:53] <bhearsum> how do i debug update issues on mobile? on desktop, i'd check the error console for the update service spew, but i don't have that option on mobile....
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# [19:53] <@ted> bholley: yeah, i just *know* you are going to break some shit
# [19:53] <@ted> i don't know what
# [19:53] <bent> bholley, i expect we'll have to "deprecate" it for several releases
# [19:54] <@ted> i'm sure we'll find out right around release time
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# [19:54] <@ted> "OMG YOU BROKE OUR INTRANET APP"
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# [19:54] <@smaug> bent: er, what, why shouldn't web pages use those constants?
# [19:54] <bent> yeah, that seems more like it
# [19:54] * @smaug may miss some context
# [19:54] <bent> smaug, because bholley is about to remov ethem :)
# [19:54] <@smaug> what?
# [19:54] <bholley> smaug: Ci.nsIXMLHttpRequest.foo?
# [19:54] <@smaug> ah
# [19:55] <@ted> cause that's a nonstandard Geckoism?
# [19:55] <@smaug> only Ci.
# [19:55] <@smaug> right right
# [19:55] <@smaug> the constants are in the spec
# [19:55] <@smaug> but it is the Ci..
# [19:55] <@smaug> ok
# [19:55] <bent> no one would ever write a web page that used nonstandard geckoisms
# [19:55] <bent> :)
# [19:55] <sheppy> hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
# [19:55] <WeirdAl> and yet they love to write web pages using nonstandard webkitism...
# [19:56] <@smaug> have we added any telemetry probes to check how often Components is used in the web ?
# [19:56] <WeirdAl> particularly in CSS
# [19:56] <Ms2ger> bent, bs
# [19:56] <Ms2ger> Nobody uses Ci.nsIXMLHttpRequest.UNSENT
# [19:56] <froydnj> smaug: no
# [19:56] <Ms2ger> They just use 0
# [19:56] <bent> Ms2ger, show me the data
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# [19:57] <gavin> "nobody uses <feature exposed to the web>" is always a false statement
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# [19:57] <gavin> just a matter of degree of use :)
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# [19:57] <bent> bholley, not saying this is impossible, but you should expect some brokenness
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# [19:57] <bholley> bent: I think jst does, and is totally down to do it
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# [19:59] <espindola> what is the correct category for miscompilation bugs?
# [19:59] <espindola> xpcshell in particular
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# [20:00] <@ted> espindola: JS being miscompiled?
# [20:00] <@ted> or C++ being miscompiled?
# [20:00] <espindola> c++ I guess
# [20:00] <bent> bholley, i'll talk to him when he's here today
# [20:00] <@ted> espindola: file it in whatever component the bug lives in, if you intend to fix it in our source
# [20:00] <espindola> the only thing I have is that if I build m-c with gcc 4.6
# [20:01] <espindola> test_pb_notification.js freezes
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# [20:01] <espindola> works with clang or 4.5 (in the bots)
# [20:01] <@ted> or you can just lump it in core: general till you figure it out, i guess
# [20:01] <espindola> I don't think I have time to debug it right now, just want to make sure anyone else hitting it finds something in bugzilla
# [20:02] <espindola> will go with core/general
# [20:02] <espindola> thanks
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# [20:09] <glandium> oh my http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/
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# [20:09] <glandium> why don't they do a librehtml extension, too?
# [20:10] <glandium> and librecss, too
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# [20:14] <gaston> glandium: what does it do ? block compressed js ?
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# [20:15] <mwu> gaston: https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/html_node/JavaScript-Detection.html#JavaScript-Detection
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# [20:15] <mwu> that is if it doesn't see a license
# [20:15] <mbrubeck> gaston: Sends angry emails to every web site you visit. :) https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#How-to-Use
# [20:15] <Ms2ger> Or ignore RMS
# [20:16] <gaston> oh my
# [20:16] <gaston> so much wanking
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# [20:17] <edmorley> that's clearly one for qdb
# [20:17] <@ted> fascinating
# [20:17] <@ted> perhaps it could just shortcut the process and simply load about:blank for you
# [20:17] <glandium> ted: that's the word
# [20:17] <jviereck> dholbert: thanks a lot for your explaination about the PrintSelection stuff. Didn't know we have a option to print only the selected area :/
# [20:17] <@ted> "a free add-on for GNU IceCat and other Mozilla-based browsers"
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# [20:18] <@ted> as if you needed any other warning flags
# [20:18] <dholbert> jviereck, sure!
# [20:18] <qDot> Wow. Automated bitching. That's awesome in its horribleness.
# [20:18] <glandium> seriously, i'm tempted to actually write librehtml
# [20:18] <dholbert> jviereck, wasn't sure about your other questions, but it looks like roc addressed those?
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# [20:20] <glandium> waw https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/librejs.html#LibreJS-Internals
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# [20:20] <@ted> at least it's built with the add-on sdk
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# [20:22] <KWierso> ted: and the author is here in-channel
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# [20:22] <@ted> oh huh
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# [20:25] <lduros> any issue with librejs?
# [20:25] <lduros> :-P
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# [20:26] <lduros> it uses the addon sdk for a big part, and other stuff with chrome authority
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# [20:26] <Ms2ger> Just with its existence ;)
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# [20:27] <lduros> Ms2ger: what's wrong with it existing?
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# [20:29] <lduros> it's still a work in progress anyway. new version coming up soon with some fixes... and using the DOMParser now FF12 is out
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# [20:30] * Waldo wonders what librejs is, senses splitting ambiguities in the name
# [20:30] <WeirdAl> it _blocks_ scripts?!?
# [20:31] <Ms2ger> It's NoScript with an exception for RMS's site
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# [20:31] <lduros> it uses narcissus to then attempt to find a few constructs
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# [20:32] <lduros> also it tries to find a free license at the top of script files
# [20:32] <lduros> or in pages within <script> tags
# [20:32] <lduros> formatted a certain way
# [20:32] <lduros> and if so it accepts it
# [20:32] <lduros> and lets it run, if not, then it blocks it by rewriting the response.
# [20:33] <lduros> it does it at the response level because it looks at all the scripts on page initially
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# [20:33] <lduros> etc
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# [20:33] <lduros> not just at the level of a single script
# [20:33] <WeirdAl> so now we have to add license boilerplate to every single JS file on the web
# [20:33] <WeirdAl> oh, lovely
# [20:33] <jviereck1> bholley: hi. do you got a minute?
# [20:33] <lduros> or use the JS web labels
# [20:34] <lduros> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/javascript-labels.html
# [20:34] <lduros> which is a way to provide license information
# [20:34] <WeirdAl> that's really mean, lduros - the site may have an open license it doesn't include in the JS file
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# [20:34] <bholley> jviereck1: a few
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# [20:34] <lduros> WeirdAl: yes, it assumes it's not free if it's not obviously free
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# [20:34] <jviereck1> bholley: do you remember the "can we have sync image loading" think I've raised on the mailing list? I just did a short spike here: https://gist.github.com/2491890#L1
# [20:35] <lduros> we also require a short blurb between @licstart and @licend stylize comment, because often you can find files with multiple scripts, and multiple license notices
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# [20:35] <jviereck1> basically I render a canvas, get the dataURL, stick it to the an image and then use the image again for drawing
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# [20:35] <jviereck1> bholley: this actually works, so I'm now confused if that means Gecko does sync image decoding?
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# [20:36] <@khuey> gecko will synchronously decode images in certain situations
# [20:36] <jviereck1> if this would work for all platforms, I would be happy for PDF.JS :)
# [20:36] <@khuey> drawing the image to a canvas is one of them
# [20:36] <WeirdAl> ugh, putting license info in HTML... couldn't you at least use JSON?
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# [20:37] <WeirdAl> or maybe a HTTP header
# [20:37] <bholley> jviereck1: it depends if notifications are involved or not
# [20:37] <lduros> WeirdAl: yeh we might do that as well
# [20:37] <sheppy> Huh. command-click in nightly isn't opening in a new tab anymore. wtf?
# [20:37] <lduros> for JSON
# [20:37] <WeirdAl> this just reeks of "you're either with us or against us"
# [20:37] <sheppy> wait, no, hum… just those links. odd.
# [20:37] <WeirdAl> and the Web was _not_ based on that mentality, _ever_
# [20:38] <lduros> but then people just run nonfree scripts
# [20:38] <lduros> along with free ones
# [20:38] <lduros> and they don't know
# [20:38] <jviereck1> bholley: if I can assume the image is available when it is painted to the canvas, I don't care about the notifications (I guess you mean image.onLoad?)
# [20:38] <lduros> they use such full fledged apps like google docs
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# [20:38] <bholley> jviereck1: no, it's not just onload
# [20:38] <bholley> jviereck1: it's the way that content finds out about the status of an image
# [20:39] <bholley> jviereck1: ie, your 'assume the image is available'
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# [20:39] <bholley> jviereck1: if you draw it to a canvas, we just draw whatever we've loaded
# [20:39] <bholley> jviereck1: which may or may not be the whole thing - it's undefined
# [20:40] <jviereck1> bholley: so khuey statement from before "gecko will synchronously decode images in certain situations - drawing the image to a canvas is one of them" doesn't hold?
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# [20:40] <jviereck1> at least always?
# [20:40] <bholley> jviereck1: it does hold
# [20:40] <bholley> jviereck1: it synchronously decodes what it has
# [20:40] <bholley> jviereck1: in the case of data urls, it has everything
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# [20:40] <bholley> jviereck1: so that might be a clever trick you can use
# [20:41] <jviereck1> bholley: okay. In PDF.JS we only have data-urls. That means we are "save"
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# [20:41] <bholley> jviereck1: if you draw the data URL to a canvas, yes
# [20:41] <bholley> jviereck1: though you should ping joe to make sure he doesn't plan on changing that
# [20:42] <bholley> jviereck1: (and is comfortable with you relying on it)
# [20:42] <bholley> jviereck1: anyway, I've got to head out - shoot me mail if you need anything else :-)
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# [20:42] <jviereck1> bholley: okay, thanks. which time zone is joe?
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# [20:42] <bholley> jviereck1: toronto. I'm europe now, btw
# [20:42] <smaug> looks like "check addon compatibility" is broken
# [20:43] <jviereck1> bholley: ahh, that's good to know :) Have a nice evening then!
# [20:43] <smaug> the cancel button at least
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# [20:45] <KWierso> smaug: where does one check addon compatibility?
# [20:46] <smaug> KWierso: I mean the dialog which is shown occasionally when starting Firefox
# [20:47] <KWierso> ah
# [20:47] <KWierso> that screen flew past on my 14.0a1 -> 15.0a1 update last night
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# [20:49] <glandium> lduros: the crazy thing in librejs is that it's for js. I see no advocacy of the same thing for e.g. pdf readers, shells, or even the kernel when it runs programs, yet, they are the same "problem"
# [20:50] <mbrubeck> glandium: Umm, you don't see GNU advocating for use of free shells, kernels, pdf readers..?
# [20:50] <lduros> glandium: but then it's a different thing
# [20:50] <glandium> mbrubeck: not with technical measures
# [20:50] <lduros> glandium: and by the way you run javascript just by visiting a page
# [20:50] <lduros> the difference is that you are just visiting a page
# [20:51] <glandium> mbrubeck: like, having the kernel not execute ELF binaries that are not free
# [20:51] <lduros> if you were running some python script every time you visit a page
# [20:51] <lduros> then it would be the same issue
# [20:51] <lduros> that's not the case
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# [20:51] <glandium> lduros: you can be executing stuff when you read a pdf
# [20:51] <mbrubeck> glandium: But I don't need similar measures to control which non-web programs I run on my machine.
# [20:51] <mbrubeck> I mean, you can avoid non-free javascript by not reading web pages
# [20:51] <lduros> glandium: but you can use a free reader
# [20:52] <mbrubeck> but this solves the problem of "want to read web pages without executing non-free software on my machine"
# [20:52] <glandium> lduros: the js engine is free too.
# [20:52] <glandium> lduros: the point is: pdf contains "scripts" too
# [20:52] <WeirdAl> ok, hold on - this discussion about free JS really isn't appropriate for #developers
# [20:52] <mbrubeck> and yeah, PDF/PS is similar
# [20:52] <lduros> glandium: yes, but the javascript you're running on webpages is often full-fledged programs
# [20:52] <WeirdAl> and I apologize to the channel for my making it worse
# [20:52] <WeirdAl> but this should really be debated elsewhere
# [20:53] * mbrubeck agrees with WeirdAl; shuts up :)
# [20:53] * glandium shuts up too
# [20:53] <WeirdAl> another channel suggestion?
# [20:53] <jxself> #gnu on freenode maybe?
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# [20:54] <glandium> i don't care enough to go elsewhere
# [20:55] <@khuey> is bugzilla down?
# [20:55] <@khuey> oh
# [20:55] <@khuey> just hyper-slow
# [20:55] <@khuey> fun
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# [21:03] <lmandel> dietrich, dolske, Asa, dcamp, Mossop: We're going to meet in Spadina for the K9O talk.
# [21:04] <Asa> heading that way
# [21:04] <dcamp> okey
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# [21:06] <Asa> lmandel: spadina is occupied
# [21:06] <romaxa> jhford-work: ping, is there fennec-linux-xul builds available?
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# [21:07] <jhford> we don't produce mobile desktop builds anymore
# [21:07] <romaxa> jhford: oh
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# [21:08] <gaston> but there will still be fennec 10.0.x desktop builds matching esr ?
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# [21:09] <jhford> i dont think so
# [21:09] <gaston> doh
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# [21:10] <gaston> i might aswell drop my fennec openbsd port then.... too bad it did work :)
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# [21:10] <jhford> it might still build, we just don't build it any more
# [21:10] <jhford> or even try to
# [21:11] <gaston> well if there's no source release made available its moot
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# [21:12] <jhford> gaston: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/releases/latest/source/fennec-10.0.4esr.source.tar.bz2
# [21:13] <gaston> good :)
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# [21:15] <gaston> so far i think the 'fennec on openbsd/ppc' UA wins the weirdest ua contest
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# [21:16] <froydnj> o.O
# [21:16] <froydnj> taras: ^ the gnustep/obsd folks have competition
# [21:17] * jhammel hopes the BeOS port maintainers are reading this
# [21:17] <gaston> :))
# [21:17] <gaston> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; OpenBSD macppc; rv:5.0) G
# [21:17] <gaston> ecko/20110628 Firefox/5.0 Fennec/5.0
# [21:18] <@khuey> we ripped out BeOS support a while ago
# [21:18] <@khuey> I think we also killed OS/2 when we removed --disable-ipc
# [21:18] <jhammel> :gasp:!
# [21:18] <jhammel> khuey: i hope plan9 still works!
# [21:18] <froydnj> there's a bunch of OS/2 stuff still floating about, though
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# [21:24] <@smaug> Annon mercuriallen, edro hi ammen!
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# [21:25] <Ms2ger> smaug, "Friend"
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# [21:25] * bear changes topic to 'm-c is OPEN || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [21:26] <@smaug> there is comes
# [21:26] <@smaug> my magic worked!
# [21:26] <bear> edmorley - trees are open
# [21:26] <@smaug> s/is/it/
# [21:26] <edmorley> bear: :-)
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# [21:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d470016df45d - Olli Pettay - Bug 740063 - Add nsINode::AsDOMNode(), r=jst
# [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4b6514ffcf16 - Olli Pettay - Bug 747675, try to decrease max forgetSkippable times, r=mccr8
# [21:28] <Ms2ger> smaug, !
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# [21:30] <taras> froydnj: lol
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# [21:33] <evilpie> Ms2ger: any idea what this weird bug could be, where at some random times all menus, buttons etc. of firefox stop working?
# [21:33] <@smaug> Ms2ger: hmm, did I break comm
# [21:33] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I can't remember which all changes to element impl break comm
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> smaug, all superclasses of nsIDOMHTMLImageElement
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> So nsINode is safe
# [21:34] <@smaug> ah
# [21:34] <@smaug> evilpie: I think I've seen it too
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# [21:34] <@smaug> evilpie: with some WebGL demos
# [21:34] <Ms2ger> evilpie, doesn't ring a bell
# [21:34] <evilpie> it makes using firefox on linux so unpleasent
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# [21:34] <evilpie> you cant even move tabs anymore
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# [21:35] <evilpie> it's really weird, because some stuff still works like opening tabs by clicking on links
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# [21:36] <@smaug> evilpie: please file a bug
# [21:36] <@smaug> CC me
# [21:36] <evilpie> k
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# [21:39] <jlebar|food> m-i is OPEN for scheduled downtime?
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# [21:40] <@smaug> jlebar: well, m-c is open now
# [21:42] <jlebar> I guess I'll push.
# [21:42] <evilpie> smaug: done
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# [21:43] <taras> froydnj: to be fair, openbsd/gnustep guys were running on ppc
# [21:44] <taras> so they might be still winning the obscurity context
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# [21:45] <gaston> well
# [21:45] <froydnj> I'm waiting for the openvms/ia64 port
# [21:46] <gaston> to be fair, ffx 3.6.x builds and runs on alpha and sparc64 too :)
# [21:46] <jlebar> Apparently someone runs Firefox on S390X.
# [21:46] <jlebar> I actually have no idea what that is.
# [21:46] <jlebar> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747322
# [21:46] <jlebar> But I reviewed a patch for it. :)
# [21:47] <froydnj> ibm's mainframe chip, runs multi-thousand cpu linux installations :)
# [21:47] <gaston> jlebar: the ibm zseries fridge-size mainfraimes i think
# [21:47] <gaston> -i
# [21:47] <jlebar> Well, it's good to know that jemalloc works for them, in their apparently memory-constrained environment. :)
# [21:49] <gaston> m-c still somewhat builds on sparc64 too :)
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# [21:50] <lmandel> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/fx-k9o
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# [21:53] <@khuey> "OPEN for scheduled downtime"
# [21:53] <@khuey> that's nice
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# [21:54] <glandium> froydnj: worse than it being there, there is actually people using it
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# [21:55] <@bsmedberg> How do I do the equivalent of <table cellspacing="0"> in CSS?
# [21:55] <glandium> gaston: the firefox tarballs contain mobile/fennec, too
# [21:56] <gaston> glandium: right, but it contains native android ui now, no ?
# [21:56] <glandium> bsmedberg: border-spacing?
# [21:56] <@bsmedberg> glandium: applied to what, the table or the cells?
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# [21:56] <glandium> bsmedberg: cells
# [21:56] <Ms2ger> table
# [21:56] <glandium> gaston: there's still the xul ui. especially on 10
# [21:57] <froydnj> glandium: I hope people running on it have cookies disabled for "privacy" reasons
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# [21:57] <@bsmedberg> ok, what about border-collapse?
# [21:57] <@bsmedberg> does that apply to the table or the cells?
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> table
# [21:57] <@bsmedberg> ty
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# [21:58] <@bsmedberg> this is complicated and the web is full of misinformation
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# [21:58] <glandium> bsmedberg: i'm wrong, Ms2ger is right
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# [21:58] <gaston> glandium: yeah but that wont apply to fx 14 tarballs then
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# [21:58] <Ms2ger> glandium, yw ;)
# [21:58] <glandium> gaston: xul code is still there
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# [21:59] <glandium> gaston: and it's up to people caring about a mobile xul ui to come forward and maintain it
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# [21:59] <gaston> okay, good to know then :)
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# [21:59] <gaston> its not "maintaining", just trying to build & run it :)
# [22:00] <gaston> i doubt it'll work for long anyway, given how its already hard to keep up with m-c itself on openbsd..
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# [22:22] <bjacob> IRC/ChanServ question
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# [22:22] <bjacob> ChanServ always sets a 'quiet' on me, on the channels where i'm owner
# [22:22] <bjacob> that's annoying as i get notifications everytime i join these channels
# [22:22] <bjacob> how can i fix that?
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# [22:23] <bjacob> lsblakk: ^ maybe you know?
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# [22:29] <lsblakk> bjacob: not i, gavin is an IRC guru though - perhaps he will come to help :)
# [22:29] <bjacob> ok
# [22:30] <bjacob> gavin: i just noticed in my GUI IRC client that these channels have mode q bjacob...
# [22:30] <bjacob> need to figure how to unset a mode permanently
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# [22:32] <bjacob> this doesn't have permanent effect after i leave the channel: /mode #webcl -q bjacob
# [22:32] <@dbaron> Anybody else getting "Loading failed: error" on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound ?
# [22:32] <@dbaron> or any tree, it seems
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# [22:32] <biesi> bjacob, try /msg chanserv help mlock ?
# [22:32] <bjacob> biesi: thanks
# [22:33] <biesi> bjacob, sorry, help set mlock
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# [22:33] <mbrubeck> dbaron: yes
# [22:34] <@dbaron> pushloghtml isn't loading either
# [22:34] <mbrubeck> yeah, tbpl is failing to load https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/json-pushes?full=1&maxhours=24
# [22:34] <jlebar> dbaron, Yeah, it's flaky. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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# [22:35] <IanN> i keep occasionally getting "Service Unavailable"
# [22:35] <padenot> How can I know in which mochitest suite a particular test file is ?
# [22:36] <bjacob> biesi: /msg chanserv set #webcl mlock -
# [22:36] <bjacob> biesi: followed by the /mode command
# [22:36] <bjacob> followed by back to +
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# [22:36] <bjacob> didn't make a difference
# [22:36] <bjacob> also, mlock doesn't know about mode q
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# [22:37] <biesi> bjacob, hmm ok
# [22:37] <biesi> guess I don't know enough about irc
# [22:37] <biesi> just put a bot in the channe;?
# [22:38] <@dbaron> ok, hg.m.o seems back before I got a bug written up
# [22:38] <@dbaron> but talos has been red for a while
# [22:38] <@khuey> uh
# [22:38] <@khuey> the tree doesn't look very healthy
# [22:39] <@dbaron> though seems not checkin-correlated
# [22:39] <philor> yeah, talos fetches files through hgweb
# [22:39] <philor> it seems to think that's reasonable behavior
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# [22:40] <@dbaron> Does IT have a form for "report an outage that is now fixed but was in critical stuff that shouldn't just randomly go down"?
# [22:41] <mburns> dbaron: you can say words like critical and oncall and get IT's attention is one way :)
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# [22:42] <mburns> no, I don't beleive we have that form, but if you submit a bug, we will update the documentation for the systems/services to coordinate any future downtimes
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# [22:42] <mburns> (so just a generic bug to moz.org:Server-ops)
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# [22:43] <taras> Bas: i hear you are back on desktop stuff
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# [22:48] <gavin> bjacob: that's odd that your client does that...
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# [22:48] <gavin> or maybe it's a nickserv option?
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# [22:49] <bjacob> gavin: everytime i join a channel where i'm owner, like #games, i get: *** ChanServ sets a quiet on bjacob.
# [22:49] <gavin> +q is "channel owner", doesn't have anything to do with notices
# [22:49] <gavin> or quiet
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# [22:49] <bjacob> aha
# [22:49] <bjacob> ok so bug in my irc client
# [22:49] <gavin> your client just has a weird notion of what +q usermode is, I guess
# [22:49] <gavin> (it can vary depending on ircd)
# [22:49] <bjacob> ok
# [22:50] <gavin> you can remove yourself from the auto-op list to avoid it, I guess
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# [22:50] <bjacob> gavin: wouldn't i still be the owner?
# [22:50] <gavin> yes
# [22:50] <bjacob> so i 'd still get +q then
# [22:50] <gavin> is it just the "*** ChanServ sets a quiet on bjacob" message that you want to get rid of?
# [22:51] <bjacob> yes
# [22:51] <gavin> or something else?
# [22:51] <bjacob> just that message
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# [22:52] <gavin> bjacob: you can have it not op you
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# [22:52] <gavin> bjacob: try re-joining #games
# [22:53] <bjacob> gavin: still same problem
# [22:53] <gavin> yeah, I saw :)
# [22:53] <gavin> one sec (let's talk there)
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# [23:11] <@bz> bjacob: ping
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# [23:11] <bjacob> bz: pong
# [23:12] <bjacob> bz: sorry for review delay. got trouble with new computer
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# [23:12] <@bz> bjacob: is it ok if I upload an updated patch in that bug?
# [23:12] <bjacob> bz: sure it
# [23:12] <bjacob> is
# [23:12] <@bz> bjacob: just found that my idl was missing two props....
# [23:12] <@bz> bjacob: great
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# [23:13] <@dbaron> ok, more talos runs have failed
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# [23:16] <@dbaron> I upped https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748939 to blocker
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# [23:20] <Bas> taras: I am indeed, I wasn't on mobile for long.
# [23:20] <Bas> taras: I meant to talk to you about D2D perf issues.
# [23:20] <jlebar> dbaron, should we close the tree in the meantime?
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# [23:21] <@dbaron> jlebar, probably... I don't actually remember how the tree gets closed these days
# [23:21] <jlebar> philor, ^ ?
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# [23:21] <jlebar> That's all I know. :)
# [23:22] <taras> Bas: short version is there is also something horribly wrong on that laptop when not gfx-accelerating
# [23:22] <taras> but i gotta go eat
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# [23:22] <Bas> taras: Sure, let me know when you want to talk and we can talk :)
# [23:23] <taras> Bas: in ~hour
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# [23:23] <taras> or less
# [23:23] <Bas> Sure thing
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# [23:27] <Waldo> even tho I think it's dumb :-)
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# [23:31] <hub> is there an issue with tbpl?
# [23:31] <hub> my try build is blank
# [23:31] <hub> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=440a122b57d3
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# [23:31] <dholbert> hub, see dbaron's comments above -- there are some infra issues right now
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# [23:32] <philor> dbaron: same way as it's always been, tinderbox admintree
# [23:32] <hub> k
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# [23:32] <hub> thanks
# [23:32] <@dbaron> philor, yeah, figured that out, and closed it
# [23:32] <philor> sweet
# [23:32] <@dbaron> philor, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Closures seems poorly maintained
# [23:32] <hub> somebody to add a not to /topic ?
# [23:32] <dholbert> hub, the self-serve link on your TBPL URL says "msg": "Revision 440a122b57d3 not found on branch try"
# [23:32] <@dbaron> philor, but I'll add a 2012 section
# [23:32] <hub> s/not/note/
# [23:32] <dholbert> hub, so it looks like you're hitting the same issue
# [23:33] <dholbert> hub, not sure if it'll auto-fix-itself when the infra issues are resolved; you might end up having to re-push
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# [23:33] * jlebar changes topic to 'm-c is CLOSED due to bug 748939 || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [23:33] <philor> I'd say unmaintained and totally unused, rather than just poorly maintained
# [23:34] <jlebar> philor, Well, not totally unused. dbaron just opened it! :-P
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# [23:35] <jlebar> philor, Damn! I was just about to push.
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# [23:36] <@dbaron> philor, and, for the record, I also filed bug 748960
# [23:36] <AutomatedTester> ls
# [23:37] <AutomatedTester> must stop doing that!
# [23:37] <philor> dbaron: thanks, I was just copy-pasting the link out of admintree, since I wasn't quick enough while loading tbpl to copy it before the red covered it :)
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# [23:39] <NeilAway> anyone want to fix the strict JS warnings in the test harness?
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# [23:41] <NeilAway> bjacob: -q is owner
# [23:41] <bjacob> NeilAway: figured that, yeah
# [23:41] <bjacob> seems network specific
# [23:41] <NeilAway> bjacob: oh, sorry, still in scrollback :s
# [23:41] <bjacob> according to the devs of my irc client
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# [23:42] <@khuey> mounir: ping
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# [23:45] <@khuey> mounir: can you check your email and respond to what joduinn-mtg sent you?
# [23:45] <@khuey> we would appreciate it :-)
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# [23:47] <@khuey> ty
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