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1. # Session Start: Thu Apr 26 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
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4. # [00:01] <darktrojan> OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '../../dist/bin/chrome/browser/content/browser'
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6. # [00:01] <darktrojan> okay.
7. # [00:02] <taras> Bas: so
8. # [00:02] <Bas> taras: Right :)
9. # [00:02] <taras> Bas: for some reason, that laptop is drawing at stupidly low framerates
10. # [00:02] <Bas> taras: Interesting.
11. # [00:02] <Bas> Some sort of power saving tactic?
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13. # [00:03] <taras> Bas: should we not be able to do 60fps on that?
14. # [00:03] <Bas> taras: Our browser chrome is insanely complex :)
15. # [00:03] <Bas> So maybe, maybe not :)
16. # [00:03] <Bas> (especially for hardware acceleration)
17. # [00:03] <Bas> On a lot of pages we spend over 50% of time drawing our browser chrome.
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21. # [00:03] <taras> Bas: it seems to independent of sw accel
22. # [00:04] <Bas> taras: Hrm, oh, I recall better perf being reported in software?
23. # [00:04] <taras> equally slow with doing simple mozrequestanmation frame
24. # [00:04] <taras> loop
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26. # [00:04] <taras> Bas: on a normal laptop, the results in a 16.6ms delay
27. # [00:05] <taras> Bas: on that one it's 50ms
28. # [00:05] <taras> between frames
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30. # [00:05] <Bas> It's hard to say, if the thing throttles its CPU enough it would certainly harm framerates, our painting is general(other than canvas where we go almost directly to the drawing backends) sadly isn't crazily efficient.
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33. # [00:05] <Bas> Without a profile I'm not sure what could be going on.
34. # [00:06] <Bas> We should check what the CPU's clocked to when it's doing this, and what its reported usage is.
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37. # [00:06] <gavin> ehsan: all your patches only have 3 lines of context :/
38. # [00:06] <taras> Bas: try https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/148809/abouttelemetry-0.13-tb+fx.xpi?src=devhub
39. # [00:07] <taras> Bas: click on animate button
40. # [00:07] * jlebar googles "javascript inheritance". Expects his brain to asplode.
41. # [00:07] <taras> Bas: in about:telemetry
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45. # [00:08] <Bas> taras: Generally smooth on my laptop but it does jitter.
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47. # [00:08] <Bas> (like, occasional jank)
48. # [00:08] <taras> Bas: yeah, click stop
49. # [00:08] <taras> and it tells you about average delays
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53. # [00:10] <rniwa> hsivonen: yt?
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55. # [00:10] <bear> jlebar - ping? do the trees need to be closed still? we are not seeing 404 errors from HG now
56. # [00:10] <jlebar> bear, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound
57. # [00:11] <Bas> taras: 16.8ms, weird, because that almost suggests we're v-syncing, has me worried, but that's not too important right now.
58. # [00:11] <jlebar> bear, Talos is red.
59. # [00:11] <jlebar> bear, Maybe that's a separate bug.
60. # [00:11] <Bas> taras: Focus or no focus seems to make a -big- difference for me.
61. # [00:11] <bear> can I let IT loose on this and promise that if something show up again you can bounce it off of me?
62. # [00:11] <taras> Bas: is this on the crap amd laptop?
63. # [00:12] <jlebar> bear, I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but sounds good. :)
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67. # [00:12] <Bas> taras: No, I'm booting that :)
68. # [00:12] <Bas> taras: If we run it in the background I get 90ms avg.
69. # [00:12] <bear> meaning that this may not be an IT issue - holding that bug as a blocker keeps them from moving on
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71. # [00:12] <bear> if it is still an issue then I'll reraise it
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74. # [00:13] <taras> Bas: that makes sense
75. # [00:13] <taras> we throttle refresh driver in background
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78. # [00:14] <jlebar> bear, So who's going to own the red talos?
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80. # [00:14] <bear> jlebar - hold one - i'm coming up to speed on this and now I'm not so sure we can open
81. # [00:14] <bear> sorry for the churn
82. # [00:14] <jlebar> np
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84. # [00:16] <Bas> taras: avg 23ms on my crap AMD laptop, min 16, max 230
85. # [00:16] <Bas> With HWA
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88. # [00:17] <TheCrap> -.- got highlighted
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91. # [00:18] <Bas> taras: Without HWA 30ms, min 14, max 51
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93. # [00:18] <Bas> Although the subjective experience was more jitter.
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96. # [00:18] <bear> jlebar - investigation in #build has shown the bright light of truth on the culprit for the sea of red
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100. # [00:19] <Bas> taras: Yeah, no HWA makes the average about 7 ms slower (which is somewhat expected as I believe it's partially complex border rendering which kills HWA, which isn't happening here)
101. # [00:20] <Bas> 7ms faster, I guess, technically
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103. # [00:20] <@khuey> bear: shone?
104. # [00:20] <@khuey> :-P
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106. # [00:20] <taras> Bas: 7ms faster, eaaning 37ms?
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108. # [00:21] <taras> meaning
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111. # [00:21] <bear> khuey - I come from the mountains - that is about as fancy with english as I get ;)
112. # [00:22] <Bas> taras: Nah, 22-23 with HWA, 30-31 without HWA, so 8 ms diff actually, now that I've gathered more data.
113. # [00:22] <taras> so wtf
114. # [00:22] <taras> firefox now says this gfx card is blacklisted
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116. # [00:22] <Bas> taras: There has been some efforts to blacklist places where HWA makes stuff slower.
117. # [00:23] <Bas> taras: gfx.direct2d.force-enabled true, layers.acceleration.force-enabled true
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119. # [00:23] <taras> Bas: when did this happen?
120. # [00:23] <mbrubeck> drat, I forgot to push my perma-orange test fix to beta. :(
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122. # [00:24] <Bas> taras: No idea, I'm just working off rumors, I don't actually follow the blacklisting very strongly.
123. # [00:24] <taras> Bas: hmm, so i just reset random direct* prefs i had
124. # [00:24] <taras> and now it's drawing at 20fps
125. # [00:25] <taras> still now hwa
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127. # [00:25] <Bas> 20 fps? So 50ms?
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129. # [00:25] <taras> Bas: sorry with 20ms delay
130. # [00:25] <taras> but it seems to be back to the same values
131. # [00:25] <taras> :(
132. # [00:25] <@khuey> bear: ha
133. # [00:25] <Bas> Ah, weird.
134. # [00:26] <taras> something weird with power management on these laptops :(
135. # [00:26] <bear> jlebar - filing bug and they are working on fixing issue
136. # [00:26] <taras> Bas: seems to average 20-30ms, ie same as your numbers
137. # [00:26] <jlebar> bear, Yay. Thanks.
138. # [00:26] <taras> with no hwa
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141. # [00:27] <Bas> taras: How about without HWA? My AMD C-50 did better with HWA than without.
142. # [00:27] <WG9s> so, what is the deal with all the red on mozilla-central. Was that a check-in during IT close or something else?
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144. # [00:27] <taras> Bas: trying
145. # [00:27] <taras> Bas: 33
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147. # [00:28] <taras> Bas: ie about the same
148. # [00:28] <bear> jlebar - bug 748996
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150. # [00:28] <@khuey> mounir: ping
151. # [00:28] <@ehsan> gavin: yeah sorry, I still haven't figured out how to export good patches from git :(
152. # [00:28] <taras> Bas: also, tab switching perf got a lot happier too
153. # [00:28] <mounir> khuey: again? :)
154. # [00:29] <@khuey> joduinn: ^
155. # [00:29] <taras> without any changes :(
156. # [00:29] <mounir> khuey: I guess you don't want mo to sleep
157. # [00:29] <@khuey> mounir: nope :-)
158. # [00:29] <Bas> taras: That's annoying :(
159. # [00:29] <Bas> taras: Are we sure HWA is on and powersave is cranking?
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161. # [00:29] <bkero> tree should hopefully open soon
162. # [00:29] <taras> so i was on microsoft signature power profile
163. # [00:29] <taras> so i bet i just tripped that
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168. # [00:30] <@khuey> mounir: joduinn wanted to see if you were still around
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170. # [00:31] <@khuey> mounir: presumably he'll speak shortly
171. # [00:31] <mounir> he is doing that actually
172. # [00:31] <@khuey> ah
173. # [00:31] <@khuey> olk
174. # [00:31] <@khuey> *ok
175. # [00:31] <taras> Bas: ok so in powersave now
176. # [00:31] <mounir> i wonder why but it appears that I'm still around :-/
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178. # [00:31] <taras> i bet my firefox updated in between restarts
179. # [00:31] <taras> Bas: 26ms without HWA 37 with HWA
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194. # [00:36] <taras> Bas: aha, got it back to 50ms delay without hwa
195. # [00:36] <WG9s> OK I found the relevant bugs.
196. # [00:36] <Bas> taras: Oh firefox perf, why are you so random.
197. # [00:36] <taras> Bas: no shit
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199. # [00:37] <taras> Bas: seems that it's affected by other tabs
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201. # [00:37] <taras> Bas: so the other case i wanted you to look into profiling
202. # [00:37] <taras> is open up a news.google.com
203. # [00:37] <taras> and open 4 of the stories in tabs
204. # [00:37] <taras> then hold down ctrl-tab
205. # [00:37] <taras> the perf is so bad
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207. # [00:38] <taras> it draws less than once a second
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209. # [00:38] <Bas> taras: Do we have any more minimal testcase? That profile is going to be terrible to read.
210. # [00:39] <taras> Bas: i do not yet
211. # [00:39] <nemo> aaaagh. I hate ctrl-q
212. # [00:39] <taras> Bas: having *stuff* in tabs
213. # [00:39] <taras> is bad
214. # [00:39] <taras> vs about:blank
215. # [00:39] <nemo> (I was trying ctrl-tab to see what it did and wasn't looking at the keyboard right)
216. # [00:39] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: Thanks for cleaning up the mess last night.
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219. # [00:40] <Bas> taras: This is strictly about your crap machine in powersave?
220. # [00:40] <Bas> Or about some general class of machines.
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223. # [00:40] <nemo> ah. ctrl-tab is like ctrl-pagedown
224. # [00:40] <Bas> And with HWA
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226. # [00:40] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: Well, eventually it fell to edmorley to really fix things. :P
227. # [00:40] <Bas> (on my crap machine, the kind of 'stuff' seems to matter a lot for drawing speed (which makes lots of sense really)
228. # [00:41] <taras> Bas: so this particular usecase seems to be bad in general
229. # [00:41] <taras> but its particuarly bad in powersave + hwa
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231. # [00:41] <Bas> Ok
232. # [00:41] <RyanVM> Bas: define "crap machine" - I see the sluggishness on my c2d laptop w/ express 4 graphics & hwa on. Fine in high performance mode.
233. # [00:41] <taras> Bas: suggesting news sites
234. # [00:41] <taras> because they seem to be worst at this
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236. # [00:41] <Bas> RyanVM: AMD APU
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239. # [00:43] <taras> Bas: though intel hwa on powersave exhibits very similar crap perf :)
240. # [00:43] <bent> omg it's terrible
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242. # [00:43] <bent> i have to disable it when i'm on battery sometimes
243. # [00:44] <bent> scrolling google reader is a nightmare
244. # [00:44] <nemo> Bas: at least on my machine, the tabs flip by so fast I think I'm going to go into some sort of seizure. No perf issues I can see :)
245. # [00:44] <taras> switch tabs is what gets me
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247. # [00:44] <nemo> Admittedly on nightly
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249. # [00:44] <Bas> nemo: I know, same for my boxes except the AMD C-50 :(
250. # [00:44] <smaug> bent: huh. Have you profiled what is slow?
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253. # [00:45] <bent> smaug, not in a long while, but it was doing graphics-y things i'm pretty suure
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255. # [00:45] <Bas> taras: Yeah, it's complicated, I played with Jeff's PC and it didn't seem to be that bad when I was working on it. I don't generally use google stuff but on my AMD C-50 it seems -very very- dependent on what I'm doing, scrolling and most interactions are much better with HWA, tab switching and some interactions are much slower.
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259. # [00:45] <Bas> taras: I'm tempted to say we should blacklist some of this hardware agressively for D2D 1.0, D2D 1.1 support (being released with Windows 8 I'm guessing) will kill a lot of our performance worst-cases for D2D.
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261. # [00:46] <bent> Bas, can we just not do hardware acceleration when on battery mode maybe?
262. # [00:46] <bent> dunno if that info is knowable
263. # [00:47] <taras> bbondy can dig it out :)
264. # [00:47] <taras> problem is we cant switch at runtime
265. # [00:47] <taras> bent: and ie isn't affected by it
266. # [00:47] <taras> so it's something we do
267. # [00:47] <bent> hm
268. # [00:47] <bent> or something they do ;)
269. # [00:47] <Bas> taras: I'm guessing it's just our chrome, our chrome is really really hard on HWA.
270. # [00:47] <bent> we've seen things like that before
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273. # [00:48] <taras> Bas: nope
274. # [00:48] <Bas> taras: Also we jump through -terrible- heaps to prevent seams on borders.
275. # [00:48] <Bas> IE just seems.
276. # [00:48] <taras> Bas: so opened up some news sites, disabled js on them via noscript
277. # [00:48] <Bas> *seams
278. # [00:48] <taras> still really lame 50+ms delays
279. # [00:48] <Bas> Yeah, I think it's drawing.
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281. # [00:49] <Bas> We should just seam when drawing borders.
282. # [00:49] <taras> Bas: but why would having other tabs
283. # [00:49] <taras> kill out drawing perf when they are idle?
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286. # [00:49] <taras> s/out/our/
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288. # [00:49] <Bas> taras: I don't think the animation in about:telemetry is drawing bound :)
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291. # [00:50] <Bas> There's might be a little layers stuff there.
292. # [00:50] <taras> Bas: it shouldbe..being that it uses mozrequestanimationframe :)
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295. # [00:50] <Bas> But it's not the D2D issue I suspect we're seeing on switching tabs.
296. # [00:50] <Bas> taras: Sure, it -should- be :p
297. # [00:50] <Bas> But I bet you 2 beers a profile will not show painting taking over 30%.
298. # [00:50] <taras> Bas: accepted
299. # [00:51] <taras> i'll bet you 2 local beers vs your local ones :)
300. # [00:51] <bent> 2 beers! /me is jealous
301. # [00:51] <Bas> taras: Oh boy, now I'm hoping I lose this bet ;)
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304. # [00:52] <taras> Bas: atleast it doesn't involve watching romanian pop music videos to reproduce jank :)
305. # [00:52] <Bas> It's true :)
306. # [00:52] <Bas> taras: fwiw, I've heard reports we invalidate -terribly- on youtube.com (i.e. the whole page, all the time when you mouse over stuff)
307. # [00:52] <Bas> Which is probably related to that jank.
308. # [00:52] <taras> likely
309. # [00:52] <@bz> bjacob: ping?
310. # [00:53] <bjacob> bz: pong
311. # [00:53] <@bz> bjacob: http://mochi.test:8888/tests/content/canvas/test/webgl/conformance/context/constants.html
312. # [00:53] <Bas> taras: I'll get some profiles on a decent machines first, then I'll do my best to get data on my crap machine (only so much you can do if you want to profile on a C-50 with only 32GB HDD)
313. # [00:53] <@bz> bjacob: I don't see a SHADER_COMPILER constant in the spec
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315. # [00:54] <jgilbert> bz: it probably shouldn't be there then \o/
316. # [00:54] <@bz> bjacob: the official test suite has the same test
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318. # [00:54] <bjacob> bz: indeed, it must have been removed, so the test is out of date
319. # [00:54] <@bz> bjacob: bug in test suite, or bug in spec?
320. # [00:54] <bjacob> checking
321. # [00:54] <TheCrap> -.- highlighted again
322. # [00:54] <bjacob> jgilbert: do you remember which func uses that constant?
323. # [00:54] <jgilbert> likely the tests, but I could be wrong
324. # [00:54] <@bz> bjacob: fwiw, I have a hacked-up new-binding build running
325. # [00:54] <bjacob> bz: cool
326. # [00:54] <jgilbert> bjacob: it'd probably be getParameter
327. # [00:54] <@bz> bjacob: looking through its failures now, and hit this one. ;)
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332. # [00:56] <@bz> we have nothing in the glcontext code that looks at that constant
333. # [00:56] <@bz> fwiw
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335. # [00:56] <bjacob> bz: jgilbert: this constant seems useless in webgl where a shader compiler is always available, so the spec seems correct and the test wrong
336. # [00:57] <bjacob> it seems to be a boolean telling whether a shader compiler is available
337. # [00:57] <bjacob> it can be used to implement isComputerOn()
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343. # [00:58] <nemo> huh. why does print(1.0.toFixed()) work, but print(1.toFixed()) error?
344. # [00:58] <bjacob> bz: that makes it a non-passable test, so a really important finding to communicate to the ml
345. # [00:59] <bjacob> nemo: maybe because in the latter, the . is interpreted as decimal point?
346. # [00:59] <bjacob> or 1. interpreted as number
347. # [00:59] <nemo> seems a little arbitrary :)
348. # [01:00] <Mook_as> nemo: but print((1).toFixed()) works
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350. # [01:00] <nemo> Mook_as: true true
351. # [01:00] <nemo> I was just comparing
352. # [01:00] <nemo> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Number/toFixed
353. # [01:00] <@bz> bjacob: ok, I'll send mail
354. # [01:00] <nemo> with
355. # [01:01] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624189
356. # [01:01] <nemo> which is duped off of the usual bug
357. # [01:01] <nemo> I was just curious if there was any way to make that comparison work right
358. # [01:01] <nemo> I guess as a string...
359. # [01:02] <nemo> hm. guess not
360. # [01:02] <nemo> what a shame bignum types for js never took off
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373. # [01:09] <mbrubeck> AWESOME. We had a perma-orange crash on Aurora for 8 days without anyone noticing it.
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375. # [01:09] <mbrubeck> and on beta for 1 day
376. # [01:09] <bjacob> wow
377. # [01:10] <mbrubeck> (bug 749010)
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379. # [01:10] <WG9s> any way the wind blows
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386. # [01:12] <jprmc> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745177
387. # [01:13] <jprmc> ehsan:
388. # [01:13] <jprmc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748718
389. # [01:13] <jprmc> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747528
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391. # [01:13] <darktrojan> anyone know why we get "release-mozilla-beta-macosx64-talos" as a branch name in some things?
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403. # [01:19] <philor> darktrojan: because they named release things... somewhat inconsistently
404. # [01:20] <taras> Bas: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5961467/moz/30percent.png
405. # [01:20] <philor> same answer for "Unknown" :)
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408. # [01:22] <Waldo> nemo: 1.0.toFixed() works because 1.0 parses as a number and the .toFixed() after parses as a property access; 1.toFixed() doesn't work because 1. parses as a number, then the next token is toFixed -- there's no property access there
409. # [01:23] <taras> BenWa: is there a way to open up the tree widget completely?
410. # [01:23] <taras> BenWa: in the profiler
411. # [01:23] <BenWa> taras: '*' key
412. # [01:23] <BenWa> it can kill the UI if it's a stackwalking profile
413. # [01:23] <BenWa> too many nodes
414. # [01:23] <BenWa> works well for subtree
415. # [01:23] <taras> BenWa: now you tell me this :(
416. # [01:24] <taras> should just throtte at some %ntage
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419. # [01:25] <BenWa> yea
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426. # [01:27] <taras> BenWa: i think i captured my first somewhat useful profile
427. # [01:27] <taras> after so many attempts
428. # [01:27] <RyanVM> philor: WTH is going on with inbound?
429. # [01:27] <taras> BenWa: thanks for all of the help :)
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435. # [01:28] <RyanVM> philor: nvm
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439. # [01:30] <taras> Bas: here is the relevant onpaint http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5961467/moz/30percent_onpaint.png the previoust stack was just for processing js
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446. # [01:31] <philor> RyanVM: yeah, turns out that if you download a file which isn't there, and you then blame the failure on a failure to download a different file from a different host, you wind up failing for a while
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448. # [01:31] <RyanVM> that's begging for an xzibit meme
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454. # [01:34] <darktrojan> dear make, please can you just build the stuff I actually changed, instead of everything?
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456. # [01:34] <taras> Bas: here is the profile http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5961467/moz/cleopatra_for_bas.part looks like it's mostly painting
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472. # [01:41] <philor> mbrubeck: maybe you don't really do that many backouts, you just land a lot of "Back button is no longer...." fixes
473. # [01:43] <RyanVM> hurley: ping
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486. # [01:50] <mbrubeck> argh, the testAboutPage fix didn't work
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491. # [01:51] <mbrubeck> now I'm going to have to figure out how to actually run this test in a beta-branded build to figure it out...
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495. # [01:51] <philor> we've got a tree that does that ;)
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497. # [01:52] <mbrubeck> mozilla-beta is my Try server!
498. # [01:52] <jhammel> firebot: make ^ a meme
499. # [01:52] <firebot> jhammel: Sorry, I've no idea what 'make ^ a meme' might be.
500. # [01:53] <jhammel> firebot: then you are useless to me
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502. # [01:53] <firebot> jhammel: But then you are 'a bot'...
503. # [01:53] <catlee-away> is tree open or closed?
504. # [01:53] <jhammel> <beep/>
505. # [01:53] <mbrubeck> MOZILLA-BETA [insanity wolf] IS MY TRY SERVER
506. # [01:53] * mbrubeck changes topic to 'm-c is OPEN || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
507. # [01:53] <philor> mbrubeck: first thing I'd do is download a build and run it and see what it says, since Firefox should have already matched Firefox Beta, shouldn't it?
508. # [01:53] * jhammel needs a command line meme client
509. # [01:53] <jhammel> mbrubeck: for a moment i thought you were putting that in the topic ;)
510. # [01:54] <bjacob> jhammel: memes rendered with libcaca? neat
511. # [01:54] <jhammel> bjacob: nah, something that takes the syntax mbrubeck used and automagically generates a meme and uploads it
512. # [01:54] <jhammel> yes, that's how lazy i am
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514. # [01:54] <mbrubeck> catlee-away: Seems to be open again
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517. # [01:54] <bjacob> aha
518. # [01:55] <bjacob> mbrubeck: real men use mozilla-esr10 for that
519. # [01:55] <mbrubeck> NOT SURE IF LAZY [futurama fry] OR GENIUS
520. # [01:55] <Bas> taras: Doesn't http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5961467/moz/30percent_onpaint.png suggest it's not mostly painting at all?
521. # [01:55] <jhammel> all these precious memes are being wasted!
522. # [01:57] <rniwa> AryehGregor: yt?
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524. # [01:57] <taras> Bas: i took a pic of the wrong prt
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526. # [01:57] <taras> part
527. # [01:57] <taras> Bas: the next screenshot shows 30% in onpaint
528. # [01:57] <jhammel> /part
529. # [01:57] <taras> good guess btw :)
530. # [01:57] <philor> saves the status being out of date
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533. # [01:58] <philor> catlee-away: why doesn't treestatus have an IRC bot that knows how to do /topic?
534. # [01:59] <catlee-away> oooh
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537. # [01:59] <catlee-away> we could teach firebot to poll treestatus
538. # [01:59] <jhammel> firebot: poll treestatus
539. # [01:59] <firebot> jhammel: Sorry, I've no idea what 'poll treestatus' might be.
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541. # [01:59] <jhammel> then you're stupid and slow
542. # [01:59] <philor> some people, when faced with an IRC problem, think "I know, I'll use firebot..."
543. # [01:59] <jhammel> philor: then they have two problems?
544. # [02:00] <philor> at the very least
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549. # [02:01] <Bas> taras: How do I see that from the .part file?
550. # [02:02] <Bas> taras: Anyway, yeah, 30% was my expectation, which is a little sad. We should so be paint-bound there.
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555. # [02:04] <taras> Bas: yeah 30% on js because of gc
556. # [02:04] <taras> i think
557. # [02:04] <taras> incremental gc should fix that
558. # [02:04] <taras> Bas: just scroll down to nsWindow Paint
559. # [02:05] <taras> opened the tree up until there were multiple things and hit *
560. # [02:05] <taras> Bas: you load the part file into http://varium.fantasytalesonline.com/cleopatra/
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567. # [02:07] <taras> Bas: i enabled paintflashing, it's repainting the buttons + input box above BUTTER
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569. # [02:08] <taras> Bas: gradients there are not helping
570. # [02:08] <Bas> taras: 33.3% Darn! close, but you're on the winning side :)
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574. # [02:09] <Bas> taras: Oh, paint is actually much less than 30% it seems. display list building happens inside OnPaint
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576. # [02:10] <hurley> RyanVM: (belated) pong
577. # [02:10] <Bas> taras: Does this profiler have anyway to get a bottom up view from a given call frame?
578. # [02:10] <RyanVM> hurley: re bug 719609
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582. # [02:11] <RyanVM> hurley: was the LEAVE OPEN to track landing on beta/aurora?
583. # [02:11] <hurley> RyanVM: yep
584. # [02:11] <RyanVM> hurley: typically we use the status-firefoxN flags for that, no?
585. # [02:11] <Bas> taras: Approximately 22% seems to be 'real' painting (after filtering out layer manager cruft and displaylist building.
586. # [02:11] <hurley> RyanVM: perhaps, i'm new to that whole bit of having code landed
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589. # [02:12] <Bas> taras: Of which between 12% and 17% is in D2D.
590. # [02:12] <RyanVM> hurley: OK, in that case, I'm going to take that note off when I land it in a bit (if that's OK with you). I'll also set the tracking-firefox13/14? flags
591. # [02:12] <hurley> RyanVM: sounds just fine to me
592. # [02:12] <RyanVM> great
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594. # [02:12] <taras> Bas: ask BenWa
595. # [02:12] <taras> about bottom up
596. # [02:13] <Bas> taras: Yeah, that doesn't allow you to define a bottom though, it just takes the lowest level.
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599. # [02:13] <Bas> I want bottom up for a certain common denominator.
600. # [02:13] <Bas> In this case ThebesLayerD3D10::Validate
601. # [02:13] <BenWa> Bas: You can focus on a frame
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603. # [02:13] <Bas> Or at least a top-down combining all instances of ThebesLayerD3D10::Validate
604. # [02:14] <BenWa> bas: Find an instance of the frame you want and then hit invert callstack
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611. # [02:15] <Bas> BenWa: Will this focus on -this- particular frame, or will it focus for frames at all depths with this signature?
612. # [02:15] <BenWa> taras: Are you collecting on windows with the symbol server?
613. # [02:15] <BenWa> bas: I don't recall, I've been focusing on the backend at this time
614. # [02:16] <BenWa> The front end needs better support to do this kind of analysis
615. # [02:16] * joduinn is now known as joduinn-afk
616. # [02:16] <taras> BenWa: yes
617. # [02:16] <BenWa> The filter by name feature used to work well but it's been regressed by recent changes
618. # [02:16] <BenWa> taras: Can you hit 'Upload view' and send me the link?
619. # [02:16] <Bas> BenWa: But would it allow me to combine the statistics in general?
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621. # [02:17] <Bas> taras: So yeah, -actual- painting (i.e. stuff touching D2D code) is not taking a lot of time at all here.
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623. # [02:17] <BenWa> bas: It will once the UI is fully polished. Right now you can only focus on a particular callstack
624. # [02:17] <Bas> So at least this particular test is probably more timing-affected by D2D than actual perf affected. D2D would -definitely- do worse at this particular gradient than GDI though.
625. # [02:17] <Bas> BenWa: Yeah, I figured.
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628. # [02:18] <taras> Bas: what does timing-affected mean?
629. # [02:18] <Bas> taras: What I mean is small differences in the times things take affecting the 'flow', i.e. creating a worse/better user experience without necessarily affecting throughput.
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632. # [02:19] <Bas> BenWa: It's a shame, the fact ThebesLayer::Validate is called from different levels of ContainerLayer::Validate makes it impossible this way to see how much time is spent painting at this point.
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635. # [02:19] <Bas> taras: The fix for gradient issues like this is retaining Azure gradient objects (or gfxPatterns for the Azure-Thebes wrapper), that's the way D2D is 'meant' to be used (but we're not using it)
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637. # [02:19] <Bas> It would probably make stuff a -lot- faster if we started doing that.
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643. # [02:21] <taras> Bas: so if we are not spending much time painting, wtf is onpaint doing?
644. # [02:21] <Bas> taras: Looks like building displaylists at least.
645. # [02:21] <BenWa> Bas: Patches accepted, it's all open source, writing the proper filtering isn't too hard :)
646. # [02:21] <taras> Bas: that's only a few percent
647. # [02:21] <BenWa> taras: Got a link to the profile?
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650. # [02:22] <taras> BenWa: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5961467/moz/cleopatra_for_bas.part
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652. # [02:22] <BenWa> taras: FWIW The profiler has done wonders for optimizing mobile performance
653. # [02:22] <Bas> BenWa: I use VTune :p
654. # [02:22] <mbrubeck> philor: can TBPL load a range of pushes by date, or by fromchange + tochange?
655. # [02:22] <Bas> taras: Well, getting from 33% to 20-22% only takes a couple of times a few percents :)
656. # [02:22] <BenWa> Bas: I'm not trying to replace platform specific profilers. I'm trying to fill other uses case
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658. # [02:22] <taras> Bas: it's <3% afaik
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660. # [02:23] <Bas> BenWa: I know :)
661. # [02:23] <Bas> taras: I'm looking at getting to the right point again so I can look what else is going on.
662. # [02:23] <BenWa> well be able to get users to send us data by installing an extension. Can't ask a user to profile with vtune for us
663. # [02:23] <taras> BenWa: this already works better than xperf :)
664. # [02:24] <taras> except for the ui
665. # [02:24] <BenWa> Right, the UI has been design to be responsive but the filtering needs more work
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667. # [02:24] <BenWa> It's a large dataset to handle in JS
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672. # [02:26] <BenWa> taras: bas: You might like Merge unbranched call paths
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675. # [02:26] <philor> mbrubeck: fromchange and tochange, dunno if I've ever tried dates
676. # [02:26] <BenWa> Stacks on windows are apparently much larger then other platform so I can see that navigating that isn't convenient
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679. # [02:26] <BenWa> its much better on android/mac
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683. # [02:27] <BenWa> taras: btw: You can share a direct link http://varium.fantasytalesonline.com/cleopatra/?report=AMIfv95lE6VK5BKZK8E9DDCi2WB-0N2JE3dC0rSP9pJLlNhgzjhwtuedNclARnBzYRG4FyR4dLJ9bGBRYOKNdI8HN2Vq2JkHvQKjQ-Uih--rtBFYbhPGgId2bafaZ_qFs5CXv-fX28iH0Am5cM4Ma-rJBsvXSlm8OA
684. # [02:27] <taras> BenWa: i do like
685. # [02:27] <BenWa> I'll find some time to make it more useable on windows soon. The mobile stuff is starting to wrap up
686. # [02:27] <philor> http://hg.mozilla.org/users/mstange_themasta.com/tinderboxpushlog/file/1d987babf0d7/js/Controller.js#l305 says yes to startdate and enddate
687. # [02:27] <Bas> taras: So, for the first call to PaintFrame I've analyzed, there's 15.9%, of that 15.9% Of which 12.2% goes to LayerManager::EndTransaction (i.e. -might- do actual painting-), the 3.7% there appears to be displaylist related stuff.
688. # [02:28] <sfink> Bas: I didn't know anyone was using VTune. Want to try out VTune with (limited) JIT integration?
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690. # [02:28] <Bas> sfink: I never have so far, I've only recently taken the couple of days it takes to become fully acquainted with the new Amplifier UI :)
691. # [02:28] <Bas> (I was used to the old VTune perf profiler)
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697. # [02:30] <darktrojan> hmm, I'm sure this was working yesterday http://build.mozilla.org/builds/pending/try.html
698. # [02:30] <sfink> Bas: well, you're ahead of everyone else around here, then. Assuming my prerequisite patch I just landed doesn't bounce, you could try applying the patch I just uploaded to bug 675098 for the JIT integration.
699. # [02:30] <darktrojan> maybe I was imagining it and didn't notice the date
700. # [02:30] <Bas> sfink: I'll add it to my todo-list for tomorrow, I'd like to see if it works! :)
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702. # [02:30] <sfink> I've only tried it with the JS shell so far.
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705. # [02:32] <BenWa> sfink: How does the JIT Vtune stuff work? Is that something we could integrate as well with the gecko profiler?
706. # [02:32] <@khuey> is bugzilla gone again?
707. # [02:32] <KWierso> khuey: loads for me
708. # [02:32] <KWierso> relatively quickly, too
709. # [02:32] <@khuey> hmm
710. # [02:32] <padenot> down for me
711. # [02:33] <Bas> taras: Then there's some layers overhead and stuff, and more or less 11% of 15.9% is spent doing D3D10 related stuff (traversing cairo, converting to D2D, doing D2D, etc.), which, if OnPaint went to nothing else but different PaintFrames (it doesn't), and other PaintFrames spent similar times doing drawing vs. other stuff, would mean on 33.3% * (11 / 15.9) = 22.8% would be drawing of...
712. # [02:33] <Bas> ...OnPaint, which seems to match roughly what I'm seeing for actual drawing (it's a little less but some percentages will get lost on the way)
713. # [02:33] <sfink> BenWa: Hmm... I don't think there'd be much point in trying to suck data out of vtune, especially since you'd run into licensing problems really quickly
714. # [02:33] <BenWa> sfink: I meant the gecko side JIT support
715. # [02:34] <Bas> taras: So displaylist stuff seems to be the most 'significant' contribution outside of actual painting inside OnPaint.
716. # [02:34] <@khuey> KWierso: DNS is failing here
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718. # [02:34] <Bas> Taking roughly 25% of OnPaint time.
719. # [02:34] <sfink> Oh. Can you get stacks right now when method JIT code is on the stack? If so, then we probably could provide a little more data about them.
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721. # [02:35] <Bas> Out of the 31% taken by non-painting.
722. # [02:35] <sfink> If not, then it's the same unwinding stuff.
723. # [02:35] <sfink> I'm not actually sure how well vtune handles the unwinding.
724. # [02:35] <BenWa> sfink: ^^ Look at the profile pasted above
725. # [02:35] <BenWa> That most likely has some JITed code
726. # [02:35] <taras> Bas: ok
727. # [02:36] <Bas> taras BenWa: Does this profiler count waiting time as 'time spent in' or does it only consider actual CPU cycles used?
728. # [02:36] <Bas> i.e. blocking
729. # [02:36] <KWierso> khuey: I'm wfh, maybe a problem with whatever office network you're on?
730. # [02:36] <BenWa> bas: It includes blocking time
731. # [02:37] <BenWa> So you'll often notice the event loop waiting as a long solid line during idle profiles
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735. # [02:37] <BenWa> We want to catch blocking time away from the event loop
736. # [02:37] <BenWa> That will normaly show up as red
737. # [02:37] <BenWa> for example in Taras' profile a JS script blocked the event loop
738. # [02:38] <sfink> BenWa: Sure enough. Yes, it probably wouldn't be all that hard to give the filename:lineno of the most recent JS script executing in there. You wouldn't get any of the JS scripts above it, but you'd get the one calling back into C++.
739. # [02:38] <Bas> taras: Yeah, if this is the animation, then let's assume for the non-D2D case you spent virtually no time doing actual painting (it's such a small area that wouldn't surprise me, HWA just is better for larger areas), you should be 15-20% faster for this particular case.
740. # [02:38] <BenWa> sfink: how would I do that?
741. # [02:39] <BenWa> sfink: I guess the first problem is knowing if something is a JIT address or not?
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744. # [02:39] <sfink> BenWa: Yes, I have several example observers of JIT code creation/deletion events. Most end up constructing a table mapping address ranges to scripts. We'd have to do the same.
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746. # [02:40] <taras> Bas: it's closer to 20%
747. # [02:40] <taras> but yeah
748. # [02:40] <BenWa> sfink: Either you give me a quick overview of how to do it, or I could point you where that code should live
749. # [02:40] <taras> Bas: it might be js is killing perf on this
750. # [02:40] <sfink> BenWa: I have code to do that already, though I think we'd want something much simpler for this.
751. # [02:40] <taras> Bas: ie the horrid multi-tab perf
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753. # [02:41] <BenWa> sfink: Does it need to be called from a specific thread?
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755. # [02:41] <BenWa> sfink: Send me the code and I'll put a patch up :)
756. # [02:41] <nthomas> yes, bugzilla has a DNS problem
757. # [02:42] <sfink> BenWa: you could probably look at bug 675098 for an example (it's the vtune stuff)
758. # [02:42] <Bas> taras: Yeah, I'm not sure why D2D is affecting other stuff so badly on these machines, but I wouldn't be surprised if you find gradient rendering all over the place (it's all over our chrome, and we use it when rendering any border than has more than a single border color, for all 4 corners.)
759. # [02:42] <sfink> BenWa: I used manual locking to deal with threads
760. # [02:42] * mauke_ is now known as mauke
761. # [02:42] <BenWa> sfink: bugzilla is down :(
762. # [02:42] <sfink> but my kid is kicking me off the computer now so he can use it to watch a movie...
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764. # [02:42] <BenWa> haha, np :)
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766. # [02:43] <sfink> BenWa: http://people.mozilla.org/~sfink/data/bug-675098-vtune-jit
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768. # [02:43] <BenWa> sfink: Large patch, can you point me at the relevant bit?
769. # [02:44] <sfink> http://people.mozilla.org/~sfink/data/bug-698580-backtrace is a much bigger patch with a complete (and complex) solution
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771. # [02:44] <taras> Bas: ok, can you profile tab switching?
772. # [02:44] <Bas> taras: i.e. drawing a single rectangular border with different side colors, just for generating the gradient realizations D2D would create 4 * 4096 * 1 realizations, or a good, 16K, 128x128 of work done on the CPU. For -nothing-
773. # [02:44] <Bas> taras: I already have, several times, but I can do it again :)
774. # [02:44] <taras> this is just one easy case of measurable jank i found
775. # [02:44] <sfink> BenWa: it's very small, except the Intel guys included their whole support library in it. You can ignore anything with "itt" in the name
776. # [02:45] <taras> you can disable js
777. # [02:45] <taras> if it helps
778. # [02:45] * KaiRo agains finds it interesting how people mistake what the browser UI and what a website is - "I have just updated to the new version of Firefox and I wanted to comment on the new website. I DO NOT like it. Where did my bar go at the top. It is too streamline. It took me a while to find the home button. Is there someway to go back to the old version? Please help" (for webmaster@m.o email)
779. # [02:45] <KaiRo> s/for/from/
780. # [02:45] <taras> Bas: so is bad chrome invalidation the domain of layout?
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783. # [02:46] <Bas> taras: Not really, I mean, some of it is. But obviously if about:blank doesn't show issues it's unlikely to be the main cause here.
784. # [02:46] <taras> i have issues with about:blank
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786. # [02:46] <KWierso> KaiRo: I heard you like websites, so I updated your website so you can website inside your website
787. # [02:47] <taras> the close tab animation repaints the whole tabbar
788. # [02:47] <bent> everyone else see bugzilla down?
789. # [02:47] <KWierso> bent: DNS is flaky everywhere
790. # [02:47] <KWierso> or something
791. # [02:47] <bent> ah
792. # [02:47] <Bas> taras: In reality there's two issues: The complexity of the browser chrome, and the suck we have to go through to do all this stuff on Direct2D. And how badly we currently are for doing it on D2D.
793. # [02:47] <KaiRo> KWierso: hehe
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795. # [02:47] <Bas> taras: i.e. we should be doing all the gradient realizations only once and reusing them, etc.
796. # [02:47] <taras> Bas: so
797. # [02:47] <taras> can we subtly restyle chrome?
798. # [02:47] <taras> to speed stuff up
799. # [02:47] <Bas> taras: We should just seam borders and stop worrying about 1 pixel seams.
800. # [02:47] <taras> or fix up gradient code?
801. # [02:47] <KWierso> bent: works for me, but that's probably just because I don't have anything I need to do on bugzilla at the moment ;)
802. # [02:47] <Bas> taras: I believe we can.
803. # [02:48] <taras> what's the slution?
804. # [02:48] * rnewman|afk is now known as rnewman
805. # [02:48] <taras> bent: today is a great day
806. # [02:48] <taras> email down in morning
807. # [02:48] <Bas> taras: Azure will allow us to do the right thing with gradients, but the code inside layout -drawing- the actual gradients would still need to start retaining gfxPatterns for things to help.
808. # [02:48] <taras> bugzilla in evening
809. # [02:48] <bent> taras, and look, it's beer o'clock
810. # [02:48] <Bas> taras: (Azure does already do the right thing, but since Layout doesn't take advantage of it, it doesn't really help)
811. # [02:49] <taras> keeps us from working ourselves to death i guess
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813. # [02:49] <taras> Bas: if you could help me quantify
814. # [02:49] <taras> perf imrpovements from changing to faster chrome css
815. # [02:50] <taras> that would be grand
816. # [02:50] <Bas> taras: Other than that we can greatly reduce complexity of drawing chrome by minimizing the use of complex masks (the one we have now around the URL bar and the back button), using only single color, single width rectangular borders, etc.
817. # [02:50] <jet> Bas: do we already have a bug for that? (caching GFXpattern)
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819. # [02:50] <Bas> jet: Not really, I mean, there's a lot of places where this could be done, and in reality it will only start helping where we use the Azure-Thebes wrapper (which will hopefully be soon, on windows D2D, before the next migration).
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821. # [02:51] <Bas> jet: But we could start retaining now.
822. # [02:51] <Bas> And get free win later.
823. # [02:51] <Bas> taras: I'll get a profile of chrome drawing and let you know what I see are the 'worst case' offenders inside our browser chrome.
824. # [02:51] <jet> Bas: I'd like to bottleneck this in as few spots (ideally 1 spot) if possible
825. # [02:51] <Bas> taras: My last profile was 4 months ago so my data might be outdated.
826. # [02:52] <Bas> jet: I'm not sure what you meant, sorry :)
827. # [02:52] <jet> Bas: if we can cache gradients in 1 spot (aka bottleneck) then easier to write/test/maintain
828. # [02:53] <jet> Bas: but it sounds like we need to do it in several places
829. # [02:53] <Bas> jet: Well, in gfx land we do, but the object that does that is gfxPattern.
830. # [02:53] <Bas> jet: Layout creates gfxPatterns in a bunch of different places (borders, gradient backgrounds, SVG gradients, etc.)
831. # [02:53] <Bas> But it rarely retains them in my experience.
832. # [02:54] <jet> Bas: OK, I suspect CSS gradients are biggest win
833. # [02:54] <Bas> jet: Borders :) I can't say it enough :)
834. # [02:55] <Bas> jet: We draw 4 gradients for a decent portion of complicated borders :)
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836. # [02:55] <jet> Bas: got it
837. # [02:55] <Bas> jet: And our UI is a bunch of SVG and CSS gradients mixed, my HTML knowledge is not sufficient to say where that would be cached.
838. # [02:56] <Bas> jet: The thing we need to realize, is each gfxPattern we cache, may cost us 16K of video memory. Which isn't insignificant (also not 'that much', but not insignificant)
839. # [02:56] <Bas> So we need to pick our battles I believe.
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843. # [02:58] <cpearce> Is bugzilla down?
844. # [02:59] <kinetik> wfm
845. # [02:59] <KWierso> cpearce: DNS issue in san jose
846. # [02:59] * cpearce sighs...
847. # [02:59] <KWierso> works for me here in iowa, but a bunch of other people can't reach it
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852. # [03:01] <eeejay> suck
853. # [03:01] <@khuey> meh, its ok
854. # [03:02] <@khuey> I didn't want to work anyways
855. # [03:02] <gkw3> hmm i'm unable to reconnect on my irc client (now i'm accessing via mibbit)
856. # [03:02] <gkw3> i was configuring my irc client and may have triggered some overdose of logouts/logins/authentications
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859. # [03:04] <KWierso> cpearce: relevant: http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18dkkzPZT1rrf1eeo1_500.jpg
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876. # [03:14] <RyanVM> philor: bug 463724?
877. # [03:15] <mburns> Bugzilla should be back up now
878. # [03:15] <RyanVM> philor: my bad
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893. # [03:33] <Ameya> once extension is available on AMO, does that mean its also safe to use it in private browsing mode?
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896. # [03:34] <KWierso> Ameya: define "safe"?
897. # [03:34] <Ameya> means they wont steal user specific data..?
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899. # [03:34] <KWierso> (and you might get a better answer in #amo or #amo-editors )
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903. # [03:36] <KWierso> Ameya: I can't say for sure (I'm not an AMO reviewer), but I think if the addon is fully reviewed, it should respect private browsing mode. not sure about preliminarily reviewed addons.
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905. # [03:37] <Ameya> ok
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928. # [04:01] <BenWa> Firefox 12 is getting a bit of bad press for 'only getting 1 new feature'. Maybe we should do a better job at communicating improvements for each release
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931. # [04:02] <RyanVM> backing out bug 735280
932. # [04:04] <darktrojan> BenWa, or add more features
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934. # [04:05] <BenWa> darktrojan: There was a lot more that went into Firefox 12, such as Azure Quartz canvas
935. # [04:05] <darktrojan> I know :P
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937. # [04:06] <BenWa> but seriously, we add a ton of stuff, we don't track it properly and people complaint that it's a 'useless' update
938. # [04:06] <BenWa> Maybe I should take this to dev.planning?
939. # [04:06] <froydnj> so if a failing test is in chrome://mochitests/content/chrome/dom/tests/mochitest/localstorage, what's the right --test-path to give to runtests.py?
940. # [04:07] <darktrojan> worth a shot, BenWa
941. # [04:07] <darktrojan> froydnj, dom/tests/mochitest/localstorage
942. # [04:07] * darktrojan checks that
943. # [04:07] <BenWa> froydnj: TEST_PATH=dom/tests/mochitest/localstorage
944. # [04:08] <froydnj> darktrojan, BenWa: it's a browser-chrome mochitest, that's not the right path
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946. # [04:08] <BenWa> ohh sry
947. # [04:08] <darktrojan> make -C ./objdir-opt -e TEST_PATH=dom/tests/mochitest/localstorage/ mochitest-chrome
948. # [04:08] <froydnj> no, my bad, I should have made that explicit
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951. # [04:09] <darktrojan> it's a chrome mochitest AFAICT
952. # [04:09] * darktrojan just has a script that does these things for him
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954. # [04:10] <froydnj> I would like to have a script; even better would be if the makefiles automatically ran under xvfb
955. # [04:11] <darktrojan> this is mine http://hg.mozilla.org/users/geoff_darktrojan.net/scripts/file/tip/runtest.py
956. # [04:11] <RyanVM> sweet, I just starred a run that I had already starred in another tab
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960. # [04:14] <froydnj> grrr, this is not working
961. # [04:15] <RyanVM> luke: you have orange
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969. # [04:22] <catlee-away> the regressino on aurora looks bad...
970. # [04:23] <catlee-away> or is it just noise?
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972. # [04:25] <catlee-away> or old data...
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974. # [04:25] <glob> hehe, http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2012/04/the-new-developer.html
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1007. # [05:00] <darktrojan> does anybody know of an addon that allows you to save a session, start a completely new session, and reload the saved session later?
1008. # [05:00] <darktrojan> if not, I may make one
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1056. # [06:06] <qDot> I need to reset my hg tree to what's on the remote. So, what's the hg equivilent to git reset --hard origin/master? Rosetta Stones don't seem to be helping here.
1057. # [06:07] <mbrubeck> qDot: git up -c <changeset id of what's on the remote>
1058. # [06:07] <mbrubeck> or -C if you have local changes you want to throw away
1059. # [06:07] <mbrubeck> hg doesn't have a good sense of "what's on the remote" the way git does. :(
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1061. # [06:08] <mbrubeck> though if you've just pulled new changes from a remote repo, then you can use "hg up -c tip"
1062. # [06:08] <qDot> Aaaah, ok.
1063. # [06:08] <mbrubeck> s/git/hg/ in my first message above
1064. # [06:08] <nthomas> '-c default' is better than tip
1065. # [06:09] <nthomas> .. in the case you're working with beta/esr10 and there are named branches in use
1066. # [06:09] <mbrubeck> right
1067. # [06:09] <mbrubeck> or just "hg up -c"
1068. # [06:10] <qDot> Ooooh I had a commit stuck farther back than I was aware of.
1069. # [06:10] <qDot> Stripped it, that should fix it.
1070. # [06:11] <@khuey> well, here goes nothing
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1072. # [06:11] <qDot> There we go
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1074. # [06:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cc5254f9825f - Kyle Huey - Bug 695480: Remove support for chrome code leaking DOM objects. r=jst,billm,bholley
1075. # [06:13] <mbrubeck> you fixed the leak?
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1077. # [06:13] <@khuey> yep
1078. # [06:13] <mbrubeck> \o/
1079. # [06:13] <@khuey> njn: ^ \o/
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1097. # [06:29] <Mavericks> is there a programs that parses the information in a full log result from try server ?
1098. # [06:29] <Mavericks> *program
1099. # [06:30] <Mavericks> or a better way to understand/view the full log result than in a browser
1100. # [06:30] <njn> khuey: woot
1101. # [06:30] <philor> no
1102. # [06:30] <mbrubeck> Mavericks: TBPL is good for sumarrising all the logs, and extracting any failures
1103. # [06:30] <njn> khuey: now we wait for the fallout...
1104. # [06:30] <mbrubeck> s/sumarrising/summarizing/
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1106. # [06:31] * philor wonders if that red B2g on inbound was the intended result
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1108. # [06:31] <Mavericks> so, brief log helps to some extent , can syntax highlighting be part of that
1109. # [06:31] <Mavericks> never mind
1110. # [06:32] <@khuey> njn: yeah should be fun
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1112. # [06:32] <qDot> Oh hell. :|
1113. # [06:32] <njn> khuey: what do you think the chances of this not having to be backed out are?
1114. # [06:33] * philor takes that as a no
1115. # [06:34] <qDot> Oh god damnit.
1116. # [06:34] <qDot> This passed on try.
1117. # [06:34] <qDot> As in, showed the same error, but passed.
1118. # [06:34] <@khuey> njn: it should stick
1119. # [06:34] <@khuey> who wants to add support for leaks? ;-)
1120. # [06:35] <njn> khuey: I'm clearly more of a pessimist than you are :)
1121. # [06:35] <philor> qDot: oh, that's a busted slave
1122. # [06:35] <qDot> Who's fault does that translate into?
1123. # [06:36] <philor> yours!
1124. # [06:36] <qDot> D:
1125. # [06:36] <philor> oh, I mean, releng's!
1126. # [06:36] <qDot> :D
1127. # [06:36] <qDot> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0bdae02231fc
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1129. # [06:37] <Mavericks> mbrubeck: the problem's it's tough to glean that information(failures) from a full log
1130. # [06:38] <qDot> Should I rollback the patch until we get everything squared away on slave fixing anyways?
1131. # [06:38] <philor> nope
1132. # [06:38] <philor> I retriggered, it'll be all green and happy
1133. # [06:38] <qDot> Ok.
1134. # [06:38] <philor> or, I retriggered, it'll get the same slave and be busted
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1136. # [06:39] <mbrubeck> Mavericks: But what sort of information? "Did a test fail?" -- look at TBPL. "Which test failed?" -- look at TBPL or the brief log. "Why did this test fail?" -- look just at the part of the full log that contains the output from that test.
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1138. # [06:40] <mbrubeck> Note that the code and tests can output anything they want, so syntax coloring is not very easy. (There's no real "syntax")
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1141. # [06:41] <Mavericks> yeah realized syntax coloring didn't make sense
1142. # [06:42] <Mavericks> mbrubeck: i think i went to the full log to get the 'why' part instead of going to the brief log and then the full log
1143. # [06:42] <Mavericks> mbrubeck: will keep this info in mind
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1147. # [06:49] <philor> qDot: or perhaps that is your fault, what do I know?
1148. # [06:52] <qDot> philor: I talked to jhford about it. If it keeps burning on different slaves, we can rollback.
1149. # [06:52] <qDot> Er, I'll talk to jhford, that is.
1150. # [06:53] <qDot> Or we can just rename B2G "tirefire" and let it continue like that forever.
1151. # [06:54] <jhford> the failure to run ccache isn't important
1152. # [06:54] <jhford> i dont knwo why it is showing up as red
1153. # [06:54] <philor> look at the next results: 2
1154. # [06:54] <jhford> oh, i know what's going on
1155. # [06:55] <jhford> we need to run tooltool to overwrite local files
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1158. # [07:02] <philor> oh, goodie, a workers crash!
1159. # [07:02] <philor> khuey: tell me a fun story about https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11216476&tree=Mozilla-Inbound#error4
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1161. # [07:03] <Mavericks> before submitting patch to try, is it recommended to build it on a local repo. and get it compiled and not get errors like make: *** [uploadsymbols] Error 1 ?
1162. # [07:05] <nthomas> you wouldn't hit uploadsymbols on your build. got a link to the log ?
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1169. # [07:14] <@bz> so is it me, or is the b2g build broken?
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1171. # [07:16] <philor> bz: it is, see the last 40 or so lines here
1172. # [07:16] <@bz> oh
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1174. # [07:16] <@khuey> philor: that's ... special
1175. # [07:16] <philor> not entirely sure what the way forward tonight is
1176. # [07:17] <Mavericks> nthomas: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=17cd9ccf1ed5
1177. # [07:18] <Mavericks> nthomas: brb
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1179. # [07:18] <nthomas> Mavericks|afk: ah, ok. I'll file a bug on that
1180. # [07:18] <philor> qDot / jhford : is the next step "back out, and live to fight another day"?
1181. # [07:18] <@khuey> philor: I guess its just an out of memory crash?
1182. # [07:19] <jhford> philor: i have cleared out the old file
1183. # [07:19] <philor> khuey: sort of smelled like it to me
1184. # [07:19] <jhford> which means that we should be ok
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1187. # [07:27] <bsmith> If I add a new DOM classinfo that isn't add the end of the sequence of classinfos, do I need to clobber?
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1189. # [07:28] <bsmith> i.e. if i insert/remove a DOMCI_CLASS(X) from nsDOMClassInfoClasses.h
1190. # [07:31] * philor doesn't notice any more okhood
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1192. # [07:31] <@khuey> no, you don't need to clobber
1193. # [07:31] <@khuey> you need to rebuild the whole tree though
1194. # [07:31] <@khuey> the build system will handle the dependencies
1195. # [07:32] <bsmith> khuey: thank you
1196. # [07:32] <philor> jhford: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11218070&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
1197. # [07:33] <philor> you shouldn't have mocked Happy Fun ccache and said it didn't matter
1198. # [07:33] <jhford> philor: yep, i cleaned that one manually a little bit ago
1199. # [07:33] <jhford> ccache doesn't matter
1200. # [07:33] <jhford> oh, that's the cccache inside the mock environemnt
1201. # [07:33] <jhford> which is different to the one I was referring to, which is outside of the mock environment (and doesn't exist)
1202. # [07:34] <nthomas> Mavericks|afk: if you rebuild it should work now
1203. # [07:34] <nthomas> Mavericks|afk: we changed the machine to upload to and it was a bumpy landing
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1206. # [07:36] * philor certainly hasn't been waiting to bring up Happy Fun Ball since this whole use of mock started, not at all
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1219. # [07:56] <@khuey> philor: have you noticed that 668716 is practically perma-orange on OS X 64 opt recently?
1220. # [07:57] <philor> khuey: yeah, I have, but we have so many actually quite literally permaoranges which we're doing nothing about, I haven't gotten up the energy to disable that test
1221. # [07:58] <@khuey> aj
1222. # [07:58] <@khuey> *ah
1223. # [07:58] <philor> and it goes along being beautifully 10.6 only, and then a 10.5 sneaks in
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1229. # [08:06] <philor> qDot: well, your next failure might just need a clobber, but since the clobberer's apparently busted for inbound, I think it might be backout time
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1233. # [08:11] <philor> though, funzors, I don't have any idea whether it will work after a backout, either
1234. # [08:12] <philor> jhford: if I back it out, will I just trade one permared for another permared?
1235. # [08:13] <jhford-work> that slave is fixed
1236. # [08:14] <philor> what "that slave" and fixed from which?
1237. # [08:14] <jhford-work> bld-centos6-hp-019
1238. # [08:14] <philor> we've had I think 4 builds with the Assertion.o failure, and zero without it
1239. # [08:14] <jhford-work> it's using the old version of gonk-toolchain-1.tar.bz2
1240. # [08:15] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11218902&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
1241. # [08:15] <philor> is 019 at 22:47
1242. # [08:15] <jhford-work> i've requested a rebuild on that
1243. # [08:15] <philor> the other three with that same failure are all on 007
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1247. # [08:21] <jhford-work> philor: doh, i was cleaning up the wrong file
1248. # [08:21] <philor> clean up ALL THE FILES!
1249. # [08:21] <jhford-work> hehe
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1251. # [08:25] <@roc> who did the "ghost windows" work?
1252. # [08:25] <@roc> njn: ping?
1253. # [08:25] <@khuey> jlebar
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1255. # [08:26] <@roc> for months I've been seeing leaks related to nytimes.com
1256. # [08:26] <njn> roc: jlebar did them
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1258. # [08:27] <@roc> now they're showing up as ghost windows
1259. # [08:27] <njn> roc: zombie compartments and ghost windows can have the same root cause
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1261. # [08:27] <@roc> so what's the state-of-the-art in figuring out, in a non-debug build, what's causing the leak?
1262. # [08:27] <@roc> I still don't have STR
1263. # [08:27] <njn> roc: um
1264. # [08:27] <@roc> other than "browse the Web a lot and visit nytimes.com sometimes"
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1266. # [08:28] <jhford> philor: ok! 019 is workign again
1267. # [08:28] <njn> roc: not much in the way of state-of-the-art :(
1268. # [08:28] <jhford> i was deleting the gonk toolchain tarball, not the setup.sh script
1269. # [08:28] <njn> roc: except maybe smaug's about:ccdump
1270. # [08:28] <@roc> I thought we might have a restartless extension for dumping the heap and analyzing it or something
1271. # [08:29] <njn> roc: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Debugging/Existing_Tools
1272. # [08:29] <njn> about:cc and about:ccdump are similar, AIUI
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1274. # [08:30] <@roc> where do you download them?
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1276. # [08:31] <njn> roc: the devmo link has links
1277. # [08:31] <njn> e.g.: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Submitting_an_add-on_to_AMO
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1280. # [08:32] <@roc> which doesn't mention ccdump
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1282. # [08:32] <njn> roc: er, make that https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cycle-collector-analyzer/?src=search
1283. # [08:32] <@roc> the link from Existing_Tools to Submitting_an_add-on_to_AMO seems wrong
1284. # [08:32] <njn> roc: yes
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1286. # [08:33] <@roc> are you going to fix it or should I? :-)
1287. # [08:33] <@roc> hmm
1288. # [08:34] <@roc> running about:ccdump on my 1GB firefox heap is going take a while, isn't it
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1290. # [08:34] <njn> roc: I just fixed it
1291. # [08:34] <@roc> ta
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1299. # [08:40] <glazou> is robcee here?
1300. # [08:40] <@khuey> at this hour?
1301. # [08:40] <@khuey> unlikely
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1303. # [08:41] <glazou> well geeks have strange schedules :)
1304. # [08:43] <@khuey> he's in eastern north america
1305. # [08:43] <@khuey> so its 3ish AM for him
1306. # [08:43] <glazou> no worries, I just wanted to comment on last fortune
1307. # [08:43] <glazou> "harth's smiley is backwards because she's around the other side of the earth"
1308. # [08:44] <glazou> my grandpa used to say "they're not on the other side of the earth ; we are :-)"
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1318. # [08:53] <glazou> shower time
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1325. # [09:02] <Mavericks> nthomas|away: i see
1326. # [09:02] <Mavericks> nthomas|away: will do that now
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1342. # [09:24] <Mavericks> could someone tell if they have a WinSDKVerh.h in thier ms sdk 6.1A ?
1343. # [09:24] <Mavericks> *their
1344. # [09:24] <Mavericks> *WinSDKVer.h
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1366. # [09:55] <glob> happy bmo push day! https://bugzil.la/748346,749069,748663,747378,747478,747830,747110
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1368. # [09:56] <glazou> bonjour
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1370. # [09:58] <edmorley> \o/
1371. # [09:59] <AndrewBui> hi all!
1372. # [09:59] <AndrewBui> i was wondering if anyone could help me get started with my bug fix?
1373. # [09:59] <AndrewBui> I'm having a difficult time understanding the structure of the source code for Thunderbird with Lightning
1374. # [09:59] <AndrewBui> I'm looking to do a UI change, specifically with the Category field of a task
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1376. # [10:00] <AndrewBui> so right now I am looking at all the .js and .xul files inside of comm-central/calendar/base/content
1377. # [10:00] <AndrewBui> am I on the right track?
1378. # [10:01] <Standard8> AndrewBui: you generally want to be asking that in #calendar but yes, you're probably on the right track
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1380. # [10:01] <AndrewBui> I tried #calendar, however the only person there is at work without TB and Lightning
1381. # [10:01] <AndrewBui> but thank you for the reply!
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1384. # [10:12] <JonathanS> AndrewBui, you know weird, TB + Lightning is a hockey team in Tampa
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1407. # [10:38] <hsivonen> rniwa: pong
1408. # [10:38] <rniwa> hsivonen: hi
1409. # [10:38] <rniwa> hsivonen: have you been following the context free parsing stuff on public-webapps?
1410. # [10:39] <hsivonen> rniwa: not as closely as I should.
1411. # [10:39] <rniwa> hsivonen: i think there's some concrete proposal now
1412. # [10:39] <rniwa> hsivonen: we just need to refine the details :)
1413. # [10:40] <hsivonen> ok. I'll take a look soonish. I hope the proposal isn't too magical about svg and mathml
1414. # [10:41] <rniwa> hsivonen: i think that's where we need more re-fining
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1418. # [10:48] <edmorley> AndrewBui: IRC tends to be quieter outside of eastern/pacific hours, perhaps try later? :-)
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1442. # [11:14] <darktrojan> oh yeah, I sent something to try about 7 hours ago
1443. # [11:14] <darktrojan> might be done by now
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1445. # [11:16] <edmorley> or not... :-)
1446. # [11:17] <darktrojan> sometimes I wonder
1447. # [11:21] <darktrojan> huh. I've had two win opt builds fail at the uploadsymbols step today
1448. # [11:22] <darktrojan> not sure if my fault
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1454. # [11:28] <Mavericks> is it recommended to use the latest mozilla-build for building up to date stable repo. of moz-central ?
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1456. # [11:30] <Standard8> I suspect generally yes
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1460. # [11:38] <edmorley> Mavericks: yes
1461. # [11:38] <edmorley> also clobber after changing version
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1469. # [11:49] <Mavericks> I keep hitting the windows sdk bug cannot find winsdkver.h regardless of having both windows 7 and 6.0a. using configuration tool to resolve it as mentioned on https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Windows_SDK_versions didn't help
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1471. # [11:52] <Mavericks> upon doing make -f client.mk build, with no --ac-options added whatsoever. bug's "configure: error winsdkver.h not found. it may be old etc..."
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1474. # [11:52] <Mavericks> Standard8: ok. edmorley : I didn't get the clobber part
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1476. # [11:53] <edmorley> Mavericks: clobber means remove the objdir and start from fresh
1477. # [11:53] <Mavericks> edmorley: oh tha. yes
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1481. # [11:57] <Mavericks> edmorley: i think regardless of using visual studio configuration tool to change from windows sdk 6.0A to 7.1,start-msvc<xyz>.bat only uses 6.0A version
1482. # [11:57] <Mavericks> checked .mozconfig out of curiosity and has 6.0A
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1489. # [12:07] <Mavericks> interesting if i do ./configure it detects winsdkver.h ! but still gives a new configure: error about not finding the DirectX SDK
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1517. # [12:35] <Mavericks> i don't think gmake comes with mozilla-build but it still suggests to use it upon an configure error luckily make suffices
1518. # [12:35] <darktrojan> that is gmake
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1520. # [12:36] <Mavericks> oh
1521. # [12:36] <darktrojan> well it's what they mean by gmake, at least
1522. # [12:37] <darktrojan> as opposed to pymake
1523. # [12:37] <edmorley> Mavericks: on windows you *really* want to be using pymake, much faster
1524. # [12:37] <Mavericks> I see
1525. # [12:37] <Mavericks> edmorley: ok
1526. # [12:37] <@smaug> how do I get rid of "Nightly safe mode" dialog
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1528. # [12:38] <edmorley> Mavericks: which MDN page were you using for instructions? (I thought I'd changed them all to emphasise pymake for windows, if I've missed one I'd like to fix it :-))
1529. # [12:38] <KaiRo> smaug: restart without safe mode?
1530. # [12:39] <@smaug> KaiRo: I mean if I press ctrl+c to kill the browser
1531. # [12:39] <@smaug> KaiRo: then during next start I get the useless "Nightly safe mode" and I need to press quit and restart
1532. # [12:40] <edmorley> smaug: I think increase toolkit.startup.max_resumed_crashes
1533. # [12:40] <KaiRo> smaug: hmm, does that register as a crash? in that case, I guess the new "go to safe mode if normal startup crashes" mechanism kicks in, not sure about its knobs yet
1534. # [12:40] <Mavericks> edmorley: https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Simple_Firefox_build
1535. # [12:41] <edmorley> smaug: yeah, increase toolkit.startup.max_resumed_crashes to 9999 etc (bug 294260)
1536. # [12:41] <Mavericks> edmorley: never mind sorry i am poor at following instructions seems like
1537. # [12:41] <Mavericks> edmorley: i just read the 'strongly advised to use pymake' :(
1538. # [12:42] <@smaug> edmorley: so I need to do that for all the test profiles I have ? :/
1539. # [12:42] <Mavericks> it's looking it's building fine with my patch. i hope it works on the try
1540. # [12:42] <edmorley> Mavericks: that's ok - it's easily done :-)
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1542. # [12:42] <edmorley> smaug: I would imagine so
1543. # [12:43] <@smaug> annoying feature
1544. # [12:43] <@smaug> it shouldn't kick in so easily
1545. # [12:43] <edmorley> useful for 98% of users though
1546. # [12:43] <KaiRo> smaug: this was added because a number of startup crashes are connected to add-ons, and I'm very happy we have it
1547. # [12:44] <@smaug> default value is 2 ?
1548. # [12:44] <@smaug> that is quite low
1549. # [12:44] <KaiRo> smaug: it should be low, I would have set it to 3, but higher is bad, users won't try 10 startups in a row
1550. # [12:44] <@smaug> sure, 10 is high
1551. # [12:44] <@smaug> but 3 or 4
1552. # [12:45] <@smaug> KaiRo: also, how do I start normally with that dialog?
1553. # [12:45] <KaiRo> smaug: the ctrl+c case looks like it shouldn't trigger this, though, we should only trigger on startup crashes
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1557. # [12:45] <KaiRo> smaug: normally, you need to start with -safe-mode (IIRC) or press shift while clicking the Firefox icon on Windows
1558. # [12:46] <@smaug> KaiRo: I think it is ok to show that dialog, but not being able to start normally is annoying
1559. # [12:46] <edmorley> MarcoZ: there seems to be an M1 orange on your inbound push: "test_focus_listcontrols.xul | Error in test: proposed current item 'ml_tangerine' is already current"
1560. # [12:46] <edmorley> MarcoZ: sorry, mochitest-other
1561. # [12:46] <KaiRo> smaug: non-developers should never get into that unless their build has a serious problem
1562. # [12:47] <decoder> glandium: i got a build yesterday from try with your patch! :) it wasnt green because of some unrelated (non-build) error in the end, but tarball got uploaded. However, it only works with adding -fPIC explicitely into C*FLAGS otherwise I get this: http://tinyurl.com/6vl4nxh probably not related to your patch
1563. # [12:47] <KaiRo> developers should probably never get there but we don't have magical developer detection :)
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1566. # [12:47] <smaug_> KaiRo: I think it is ok to show that dialog, but not being able to start normally is annoying
1567. # [12:47] <smaug_> the only options are "Continue in safe mode" and "quit". There should be "start normally"
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1570. # [12:50] <smaug_> KaiRo: what should toolkit.startup.max_resumed_crashes actually do
1571. # [12:50] <smaug_> since it seems that one crash is enough
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1586. # [13:13] <KaiRo> smaug_: it should go to that safe mode after X startup crashes - now that mechanism is pretty new so it might have kinks to be worked out. for one thing, I'm not sure if ctrl+c should count as a crash, for the other, I doubt that you always press it during startup and it shouldn't trigger when crashes are post-startup - file bugs and make sure the patch author is CCed
1587. # [13:13] <KaiRo> :MattN that is
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1593. # [13:18] <edmorley> backout all the things \o/
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1595. # [13:19] <edmorley> MarcoZ: sorry had to back it all out as I hadn't heard back from you
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1597. # [13:19] <darktrojan> you just like backing things out
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1599. # [13:20] <Mavericks> how does --enable-debug help people who write patches if there are no assertions or debug only code inthe patch itself ?
1600. # [13:20] <Mavericks> http://mibpaste.com/5GLNHF
1601. # [13:20] <glandium> decoder: it's surprising, because we should be putting -fPIC alrady
1602. # [13:20] <jfkthame> the patch might cause debug code elsewhere to detect a problem
1603. # [13:21] <Mavericks> jfkthame: so patch dev. should check for debug code nearby line of code where change is made ?
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1605. # [13:22] <Mavericks> or not necessarily as it could still be useful info
1606. # [13:22] <glandium> decoder: mmmm all these files are from ffi... there must be something fishy in the way we pass flags there
1607. # [13:22] <jfkthame> not necessarily nearby - you could patch somewhere and inadvertently trigger an assertion in a completely different part of the codebase, because you've changed state in some unexpected way, for example
1608. # [13:23] <Mavericks> i see. makes sense
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1612. # [13:25] <edmorley> victorporof++
1613. # [13:25] <edmorley> orange bug filed to patch attached in 45mins
1614. # [13:25] <edmorley> \o/
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1617. # [13:26] <Ms3ger> Mavericks: also, why doesn't the patched code have assertions? Sounds like you should add some ;)
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1619. # [13:27] <jfkthame> Ms3ger: hey, did you have a birthday? :)
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1621. # [13:28] <darktrojan> upgrade
1622. # [13:28] <smaug_> already 3. only few years and he'll be in school
1623. # [13:28] <Ms3ger> I should go study horticulture...
1624. # [13:28] <jfkthame> yup - too bad that'll get in the way of his mozilla work
1625. # [13:28] <smaug_> s/he/she/ or s/he/it/
1626. # [13:29] <Mavericks> Ms3ger: yea, should do that
1627. # [13:31] * Ms3ger mumbles about people QIing an nsIDocument to an nsPIDOMWindow
1628. # [13:31] <smaug_> oh, khuey|away makes the bug summary stronger all the time. the push message was " Remove support for chrome code leaking DOM objects"
1629. # [13:31] <smaug_> Ms3ger: nice
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1631. # [13:31] <decoder> glandium: I suspected already it might be a bug that is not caused by me, but just uncovered by AddressSanitizer. I previously uncovered a bug in ffi already where ffi was using GCC although clang was specified as CC. It wasn't noticed until we tried to pass a CFLAG that gcc doesnt understand (-faddress-sanitizer).
1632. # [13:32] <decoder> might be that this lib does other strange stuff
1633. # [13:32] <edmorley> Ms3ger: mumble memble.... you're turning into bz :-)
1634. # [13:32] <edmorley> s/memb/mumb/
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1636. # [13:32] <Ms3ger> edmorley: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
1637. # [13:32] <Ms3ger> I don't want to own docshell
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1639. # [13:33] <Ms3ger> That's something for smaug :)
1640. # [13:33] <edmorley> sorry, too late...
1641. # [13:33] <glandium> decoder: it might just be that the way we call its configure is simply wrong
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1646. # [13:36] <edmorley> well that's helpful... https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11223964&tree=Mozilla-Inbound#error0
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1649. # [13:36] <glandium> edmorley: means there's no Makefile.in in that directory
1650. # [13:37] <edmorley> yeah, I meant more it's a clobber build, so presumably is just a sign of what is to come
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1654. # [13:45] <decoder> glandium: yea. i dont know about this lib though. maybe someone who does can tell from my log what went wrong
1655. # [13:45] <decoder> until that I leave -fPIC in my flags
1656. # [13:45] <decoder> shouldnt hurt
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1669. # [13:53] <MarcoZ> edmorley: Hi! Thanks, and darn! I was out walking the dog and just now saw your pings. You actually didn't have to back them all out. :( It's going to be a bit of a hazzle to re-land all this stuff now. <sigh> The failure was in one file only.
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1681. # [14:03] <edmorley> MarcoZ: ok, sorry I was dealing with something else and didn't have a chance to go through each changeset, so in those instances I typically just back out the entire push (particularly since I've been bitten by the "oh it's just XYZ", then 6 pushes later by the time the backout runs tests, turns out it wasn't the only cause etc)
1682. # [14:04] <edmorley> MarcoZ: if you let me know what can reland, I'll do that for you, if that helps?
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1685. # [14:05] <jfkthame> it should be straightforward to transplant all the good changesets to the new tip, no?
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1694. # [14:10] <bhearsum> in git, if i have branch B which tracks branch A, can i safely delete branch A after merging its contents to B? eg, will B lose any data after the deletion
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1697. # [14:11] <glandium> bhearsum: git branch -d won't remove the branch unless it's fully merged
1698. # [14:11] <glandium> (in the current branch)
1699. # [14:11] <bhearsum> yeah
1700. # [14:12] <bhearsum> it's complaining that A isn't fully merged, because it tracks master
1701. # [14:12] <bhearsum> i'm just not sure if its safe to delete it with -D or not
1702. # [14:12] <glandium> i don't think it complains when it tracks a branch
1703. # [14:13] <glandium> let me check
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1705. # [14:13] <bhearsum> "warning: not deleting branch A that is not yet fully merged to refs/remotes/upstream/master, even though it is merged to HEAD"
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1707. # [14:14] <glandium> bhearsum: ah I see. That just means you didn't push
1708. # [14:14] <edmorley> jfkthame: presumably hg export -r ... | hg qimport etc would be easier?
1709. # [14:14] <bhearsum> glandium: hmmm, really?
1710. # [14:14] <bhearsum> HEAD is B right now
1711. # [14:15] <glandium> bhearsum: you didn't push on the remote
1712. # [14:15] <bhearsum> yeah, but i haven't modified master at all
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1714. # [14:15] <glandium> bhearsum: that is, the remote's master doesn't contain your stuff from branch A
1715. # [14:15] <bhearsum> right
1716. # [14:15] <bhearsum> so
1717. # [14:15] <glandium> that's just what it says
1718. # [14:15] <bhearsum> right
1719. # [14:15] <bhearsum> that's all fine
1720. # [14:15] <jfkthame> edmorley: yeah, that's probably what i'd do
1721. # [14:15] <glandium> so yes, you can remove branch A
1722. # [14:15] <bhearsum> i'm just wondering if there's any dataloss to B if i delete A
1723. # [14:16] <bhearsum> ah, okay
1724. # [14:16] <bhearsum> thanks!
1725. # [14:16] <glandium> bhearsum: one way to know for sure is to look at the commit graph
1726. # [14:16] <glandium> bhearsum: with gitk or git log --graph
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1728. # [14:17] <bhearsum> ah
1729. # [14:17] <glandium> although the latter doesn't annotate with branch names.
1730. # [14:17] <bhearsum> right...so once i merge something somewhere else, that commit is in the graph for both branches?
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1733. # [14:18] <bhearsum> and as long as it remains in the graph for any non-deleted branch, it doesn't disappear?
1734. # [14:18] <glandium> git log --graph --decorate=short
1735. # [14:18] <bhearsum> ooooh
1736. # [14:18] <bhearsum> --decorate is super useful
1737. # [14:19] <glandium> you can also try git show-branch
1738. # [14:19] <edmorley> jfkthame: I think I'll add an |unbackout () rev1:rev2| to mak's backout script & add to the future sheriff-tools repo
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1740. # [14:19] <jfkthame> surely it should be called backin() ? :)
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1742. # [14:20] <edmorley> yeah true; though that would break my tab autocomplete
1743. # [14:20] <edmorley> :-)
1744. # [14:20] <jfkthame> tuokcab() ?
1745. # [14:21] <edmorley> ha :-)
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1753. # [14:26] <MarcoZ> edmorley: No, I am just preparing to reland it all in one batch including the bustage fix. And sorry I barked at you earlier! :)
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1760. # [14:32] <edmorley> MarcoZ: ah good :-) that's ok, to be honest after I'd pushed and saw just how long the backout commit message was, I did think it looked a little mean!
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1765. # [14:35] <MarcoZ> edmorley: Yeah, 12 changesets with commit messages, tidily reporting which changeset dealt with what issue. ;) Anyway, I relanded with the bustage fix and this time just pushed them all in one big patch. Thank goodness I still had the files I had attached to the individual bugs.
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1768. # [14:35] <MarcoZ> edmorley: The bustage fix was a one char fix, by the way, an ! that didn't make it into the file for some reason. ;)
1769. # [14:36] <MarcoZ> edmorley: Anyway, all good now I think.
1770. # [14:36] <edmorley> MarcoZ: :-)
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1832. # [15:22] <Yoric> How do I detect that we are compiling on BSD (including Mac)?
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1851. # [15:33] <@ted> Yoric: i'm not aware that we have a test that's that general
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1854. # [15:33] <@ted> is this for configure, makefiles, C++ preprocessor?
1855. # [15:33] <Yoric> C++ preprocessor
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1857. # [15:33] <Yoric> Right now, I am using #if defined(XP_MAC) || defined(__OpenBSD__) || defined (__FreeBSD__) || defined (Darwin)
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1860. # [15:35] <@ted> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1598985 is the full list of built-in defiens in my apple g++-4.2
1861. # [15:36] <@ted> nothing particularly promising
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1863. # [15:36] <@ted> i'd go with what you have, less that last Darwin bit
1864. # [15:36] <@ted> I don't know what that is
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1867. # [15:36] <glandium> Yoric: there's also one for kfreebsd, but i don't remember what it is offhand
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1869. # [15:37] <Yoric> Ah, well, I will start with these.
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1877. # [15:38] <glandium> Yoric: although, that depends what you want to track. kernel or libc ?
1878. # [15:39] <Yoric> libc
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1881. # [15:39] <glandium> Yoric: then you're fine
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1883. # [15:40] <decoder> glandium: could it be that your stdc++ patch breaks when you dont specify --enable-stdcxx-compat ?
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1885. # [15:40] <Yoric> Thanks.
1886. # [15:40] <@ted> Yoric: you want XP_MACOSX though
1887. # [15:40] <@ted> FYI
1888. # [15:40] <glandium> decoder: i doubt it
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1890. # [15:40] <@ted> XP_MAC hasn't existed in a long time
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1892. # [15:40] <Yoric> ted: That's what I meant, thanks.
1893. # [15:40] <decoder> glandium: okay. testing again. but i got a preprocessor error just now without it
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1899. # [15:41] <decoder> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1598997
1900. # [15:41] <glandium> decoder: ah there's an ifdef missing
1901. # [15:41] <decoder> adding --enable-stdcxx-compat makes it go away
1902. # [15:42] <decoder> :D
1903. # [15:42] <glandium> decoder: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1598998
1904. # [15:42] <decoder> aah ok :)
1905. # [15:42] <decoder> thx
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1912. # [15:46] <mreid> I'm getting a (fennec) build error this morning after pulling from m-c: "res/drawable/address_bar_bg_shadow.xml:0: error: Resource entry address_bar_bg_shadow is already defined.
1913. # [15:46] <mreid> res/drawable/address_bar_bg_shadow.png:0: Originally defined here." Anyone know how I can fix it?
1914. # [15:46] <Yoric> I am currently writing a test suite for file I/O.
1915. # [15:46] <Yoric> Any idea on how I could test moving file across devices?
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1919. # [15:47] <@ted> that's probably really hard to do reliably
1920. # [15:47] <@ted> if you only had to support linux you could create a ramdisk or something
1921. # [15:48] <glandium> i certainly hope we don't run our test suite as root
1922. # [15:48] <@ted> heh
1923. # [15:48] <@ted> true
1924. # [15:48] <@ted> Yoric: i guess you could have your test setup see if it can find two different devices that you have write permission to
1925. # [15:48] <@ted> and just skip the test if it can't
1926. # [15:48] <@ted> look for two writable drives on windows, two separate mounted filesystems on linux, etc
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1928. # [15:49] <Yoric> That sounds just a little bit scary.
1929. # [15:49] <@ted> *shrug*
1930. # [15:49] * Yoric has no clue how our try servers are configured.
1931. # [15:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c6d998a2cc8c - Paul Rouget - Bug 747919 - browser/devtools/layoutview/test/browser_layoutview.js leaks chrome and content windows. r=dao
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1935. # [15:51] <bhearsum> you don't have write access to two different filesystem on try
1936. # [15:51] <bhearsum> is this something where you could mock out the actual operations, though? are you actually testing your own implementations of file operations?
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1939. # [15:52] <Yoric> I am.
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1941. # [15:52] <bhearsum> huh, ok
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1944. # [15:53] <Yoric> So, my procedure when I am on a single file system is 1/ copy a file 2/ move the copy 3/ read and compare both files.
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1957. # [16:02] <MarcoZ> edmorley: Heh looks like we starred that one failure almost synchronously. :D
1958. # [16:03] <edmorley> MarcoZ: :-)
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1960. # [16:03] <edmorley> MarcoZ: yeah I filed bug 748848 last night about fixing the dupe detector
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1964. # [16:06] <askalski> hi
1965. # [16:06] <askalski> is there a command
1966. # [16:06] <askalski> hg "clear everything as if i never edited a sht"?
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1969. # [16:07] <edmorley> askalski: commited changes, or just working directory?
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1971. # [16:07] <askalski> edmorley, workdir
1972. # [16:07] <edmorley> askalski: hg update -C
1973. # [16:08] <edmorley> askalski: which can be typed as: hg up -C
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1975. # [16:08] <askalski> edmorley, thanks. I will try it another time as now during these 3 seconds I rm -rf everything
1976. # [16:08] <edmorley> askalski: np
1977. # [16:09] <askalski> edmorley, I really need to play some violent games to blow off some steam after fighting with gcc...
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1980. # [16:09] <edmorley> hg up -C just discards all uncommited changes in the working directory and updates the working directory to the tip of the current branch
1981. # [16:09] <edmorley> askalski: heh :-)
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2003. # [16:22] <lmandel> smaug: Saw your comment in bug 698919. Are you saying that the only CC work applicable for k9o is bug 741417?
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2007. # [16:23] <@smaug> lmandel: that is perhaps the remaining part
2008. # [16:23] <@smaug> at least the main part of it
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2011. # [16:24] <@smaug> lmandel: I'm not sure what is required for k9o
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2014. # [16:24] <lmandel> smaug: it's a broad requirement. "Performance and responsiveness will be sufficient to support smooth and fluid game and media apps."
2015. # [16:24] <lmandel> cc is specifically called out
2016. # [16:25] <lmandel> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Kilimanjaro/ProductDraft#Performance_and_responsiveness_will_be_sufficient_to_support_smooth_and_fluid_game_and_media_apps.
2017. # [16:25] <@smaug> right. CC just is usually fast enough when there isn't cycles to collect
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2019. # [16:25] <@smaug> or at least it is very close to be fast enough in those cases
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2021. # [16:26] <lmandel> Are there any other bugs that you think are important here? Anything that we need/can to do to go from "usually" to "always"?
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2023. # [16:26] <lmandel> (where "always" is ~99% of the time)
2024. # [16:27] <@smaug> lmandel: all the leak bugs
2025. # [16:27] <@smaug> when something leaks, that affects usually immediately to CC times
2026. # [16:27] <lmandel> smaug: OK. So focus on leaks instead of CC.
2027. # [16:27] <@smaug> lmandel: so, bug 728407 at least
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2030. # [16:28] <lmandel> smaug: is 728407 applicable to mobile as well? Is any word being done on Fennec?
2031. # [16:28] <@smaug> hmm, I don't know about Fennec
2032. # [16:29] <@smaug> I don't know whether chrome may keep some stuff alive there
2033. # [16:29] <lmandel> We'll have to follow up on that one the mobile team comes up for air.
2034. # [16:29] <@smaug> lmandel: oh, and mobile needs some more testing
2035. # [16:31] <@smaug> lmandel: good thing is that Native Fennec doesn't really have cycle collectable objects in the chrome, so CC times should, I hope, be low
2036. # [16:31] <lmandel> smaug: because it's Java?
2037. # [16:31] <@smaug> right now most of the CC time is coming from objects in chrome
2038. # [16:31] <@smaug> right
2039. # [16:31] <@smaug> well, because it is different thread
2040. # [16:31] <lmandel> we should have someone take a look sometime soon to confirm.
2041. # [16:31] <lmandel> I see
2042. # [16:32] <@smaug> porting memchaser for Fennec would be nice
2043. # [16:32] <@smaug> or some simple variant of memchaser
2044. # [16:32] <lmandel> OK. I'm going to tag the leaks bug and the other bug that you identified for k9o and drop the existing meta bug.
2045. # [16:33] <@smaug> lmandel: at least for desktop that should be ok. We may need some new bugs for mobile
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2047. # [16:33] <MarcoZ> edmorley: OK, looks like at least the Linux mochitest oth ones cycled green on my bustage fix changeset, so this was the only failure from that round of patches.
2048. # [16:33] <lmandel> smaug: right. got it.
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2050. # [16:34] <lmandel> smaug: thanks for clarifying this work.
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2055. # [16:38] <edmorley> MarcoZ: cool, thank you :-)
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2071. # [16:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2b118a11328b - Felipe Gomes - Bug 747921. Cannot install apps on systems where the Uninstall regkey hadn't been created yet by some other app. r=timA
2072. # [16:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b952bb042f12 - Tim Abraldes - Bug 747470. Statically link the CRT in webapprt.exe. r=bsmedberg
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2074. # [16:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8180e2442cd2 - Felipe Gomes - Bug 748199. Cannot install an webapp with the same name of a previously installed app on Mac. r=mstange
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2081. # [16:54] <@ehsan> espindola: ping
2082. # [16:54] <espindola> ehsan: pong
2083. # [16:54] <@ehsan> espindola: so do I also need to build my own python on centos to build firefox?
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2087. # [16:55] <espindola> ehsan: no, you can get the rpms we use on the bots
2088. # [16:55] <espindola> one sec
2089. # [16:55] <@ehsan> ok
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2091. # [16:55] <espindola> ehsan: http://people.mozilla.org/~catlee/python26-2.6.5-0moz1.i686.rpm
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2093. # [16:55] <espindola> ehsan: http://people.mozilla.org/~catlee/python26-2.6.5-0moz1.x86_64.rpm
2094. # [16:56] <espindola> I think we also have a rpm for hg
2095. # [16:56] <@ehsan> I already built hg :)
2096. # [16:56] <@ehsan> thanks
2097. # [16:56] <espindola> but I never got someone in releng to upload it
2098. # [16:56] <espindola> np
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2113. # [17:05] <@ehsan> espindola: embarrassing question: how do I install these? :)
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2115. # [17:06] <@smaug> felipe: do you know the status of desktop webapps on linux
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2117. # [17:06] <@smaug> https://quality.mozilla.org/2012/04/desktop-web-apps-landed-in-nightly-try-it-out/ talks only about Windows and OSX
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2119. # [17:07] <philor> bholley: is that you crashing in nsWindowSH::PreCreate and making it look like it's MarcoZ instead?
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2121. # [17:07] <felipe> smaug: not supported at the moment, there's a summer of code student that just began working on that
2122. # [17:07] <felipe> smaug: btw apparently people liked about:cc yesterday :)
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2125. # [17:09] <@smaug> felipe: good
2126. # [17:09] <@smaug> felipe: I hope people will use it more often
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2128. # [17:10] <@smaug> or use something similar
2129. # [17:10] <@ehsan> espindola: rpm -i says that I have installed it, but I can't find the binary in /usr/bin
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2135. # [17:12] <@ehsan> espindola: ok, found it in /tools/python-2.6.5 :)
2136. # [17:12] <jaws> is there an event dispatched when an <embed> loads?
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2140. # [17:14] <MarcoZ> philor: It definitely isn't me, I didn't touch any .h file, just some a11y tests.
2141. # [17:16] <philor> MarcoZ: well, it still could conceivably be you leaving things in a surprising state, if we run those in mochitest-1 and before the crashing test. it won't actually be, but could conceivably be
2142. # [17:16] <@ehsan> catlee: ping
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2148. # [17:20] <MarcoZ> philor: Yep, could conceivably be, but we run a11y in mochitest-oth. ;)
2149. # [17:20] <MarcoZ> (but some green runs on my bustage fix changeset on Linux give me great confidence. ;-) )
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2158. # [17:27] <catlee> ehsan: pong
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2160. # [17:27] <@ehsan> catlee: how can I get a centos VM which can build m-c? centos 5 has a lot of missing stuff which are required for m-c :(
2161. # [17:28] <catlee> indeed
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2165. # [17:29] * @ehsan resists the urge to rant about why we use such an arcane os to build...
2166. # [17:29] <catlee> ehsan: do you have a base OS installed?
2167. # [17:29] <@ehsan> yeah
2168. # [17:29] <catlee> ehsan: BINARY DEPENDENCIES!!!!!!!
2169. # [17:29] <catlee> makes it really hard to upgrade
2170. # [17:29] <@ehsan> catlee: binary dependencies on what?
2171. # [17:30] <@ehsan> nm, I don't even wanna go there!
2172. # [17:30] <catlee> :)
2173. # [17:30] <@ehsan> not today ;)
2174. # [17:31] <@ehsan> so, what should I do to get everything I need?
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2187. # [17:40] <espindola> ehsan: you also need gcc and nasm
2188. # [17:41] <@ehsan> espindola: I think I'll just give up and test this on the try server instead :)
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2190. # [17:41] <@ehsan> espindola: so tell me how to build rpms for clang
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2192. # [17:41] <espindola> ehsan: to try on try you need to get rail to install them :-(
2193. # [17:41] <espindola> http://people.mozilla.org/~raliiev/gcc/
2194. # [17:42] <@ehsan> espindola: no, I'm planning to use tooltool so that I wouldn't have to do that :)
2195. # [17:42] <espindola> yasm used to be here: http://people.mozilla.org/~raliiev/yasm...
2196. # [17:42] <espindola> tooltool?
2197. # [17:42] <espindola> so, to build the clang rpm
2198. # [17:42] <@ehsan> espindola: it's a fancy thing which lets you download a tarball before build
2199. # [17:42] <espindola> clone rpm-sources
2200. # [17:42] <espindola> ehsan: cool, can you send me a link?
2201. # [17:42] <espindola> patch it
2202. # [17:43] <espindola> copy the clang patch to /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES
2203. # [17:43] <@ehsan> espindola: I don't know how to use it yet :)
2204. # [17:43] <@ehsan> espindola: but I'll keep you posted
2205. # [17:43] <espindola> and the spec to /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
2206. # [17:43] <espindola> cd to the specs directory
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2208. # [17:43] <espindola> and, as root, rpmbuild -bb clang.spec
2209. # [17:44] <espindola> (rpmbuild got so much better recently...)
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2211. # [17:45] <@ehsan> espindola: how should I patch the spec file?
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2213. # [17:46] <espindola> ehsan: similar to what you did with the dmg builder. It has a variable with the llvm/clang revision
2214. # [17:46] <Wes> Man. I am writing a privacy policy today. I'm supposed to have a section called "cookies". I am *so* tempted to write, "Cookies are delicious delicacies"
2215. # [17:46] <@ehsan> hmm
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2217. # [17:46] <@ehsan> espindola: ok wairt
2218. # [17:46] <@ehsan> *wairt
2219. # [17:46] <@ehsan> dammit
2220. # [17:46] <@ehsan> *wait :)
2221. # [17:46] <espindola> hehe
2222. # [17:46] <@ehsan> espindola: I may not need to do any of this
2223. # [17:47] <@ehsan> since all I'm planning to do is to create a tarball
2224. # [17:47] <espindola> ?
2225. # [17:47] <espindola> ehsan: it is a good idea to use the spec
2226. # [17:47] <@ehsan> so I don't need to build rpm/dmgs any more I don't think
2227. # [17:47] <espindola> since it will bootstrap
2228. # [17:47] <espindola> and build with the same flags as the real one
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2231. # [17:47] <espindola> gcc 4.5 miscompiles clang with optimizations
2232. # [17:47] <@ehsan> what do you mean by real one?
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2234. # [17:48] <espindola> so you have to bootstrap in a similar way the spec does
2235. # [17:48] <@ehsan> hmm
2236. # [17:48] <@ehsan> this machine has gcc 4.1
2237. # [17:48] <espindola> real one = the one releng will build and deploy
2238. # [17:48] <espindola> ehsan: you need http://people.mozilla.org/~raliiev/gcc/
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2240. # [17:48] <espindola> to start
2241. # [17:48] <@ehsan> sigh
2242. # [17:48] <askalski> where I can find MOZ_NOTREACHED or MOZ_MARK_UNREACHABLE usage? google returns None
2243. # [17:49] <@ehsan> espindola: which gcc package should I install?
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2245. # [17:50] <espindola> ehsan: the -moz3 ones
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2256. # [17:56] <@ehsan> espindola: ok, building now...
2257. # [17:56] <@ehsan> jhford: ping
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2259. # [17:56] <espindola> ehsan: cool, it will take some time
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2261. # [17:57] <@ehsan> of course it will :)
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2263. # [17:57] <espindola> stage0 is built with -O0 :-(
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2266. # [17:58] <@ehsan> lol
2267. # [17:58] <@ehsan> espindola: I do feel your pain now!
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2271. # [18:00] <blassey> do we have an ETA for the tree reopening?
2272. # [18:00] <blassey> rail-buildduty: ^^
2273. # [18:00] <jwatt> *sigh* why is breakpad intercepting crashes when I used Xcode to launch ff?
2274. # [18:01] <froydnj> -O0 stage0 makes a great deal of sense, and you can override it if you *really* want to
2275. # [18:01] <rail-buildduty> blassey: hopefully within 20-30 mins
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2284. # [18:09] <jhford> ehsan: pong
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2290. # [18:14] <rail-buildduty> blassey: recovery in progress we may open the trees very soon
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2300. # [18:18] <bholley> philor: probably me
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2302. # [18:18] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
2303. # [18:18] <@ehsan> jhford: can I install rpm packages with tooltool?
2304. # [18:19] <jhford-work> not really
2305. # [18:19] <jhford-work> because of permissions
2306. # [18:19] <Ms2ger> tooltool? Sounds like something for jhammel
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2308. # [18:19] <bholley> philor: I'm busy for the next hour, then I'll take a look. Back out if need be
2309. # [18:19] <jhammel> Ms2ger: you've used that one before :P
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2312. # [18:19] <Ms2ger> I know
2313. # [18:19] <jhford-work> ehsan: tooltool works best if the payload is flat files in a tarball
2314. # [18:19] <philor> looks like I have exactly 3 minutes, and closed trees :)
2315. # [18:19] <@ehsan> ah ok
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2326. # [18:24] <philor> blassey: ATTACK!
2327. # [18:25] <blassey> I am
2328. # [18:25] <philor> edmorley: we should probably back bholley out, but I've got minus two minutes to do it
2329. # [18:25] <Ms2ger> Where?
2330. # [18:26] <philor> inbound
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2333. # [18:26] <philor> follow the trail of Windows M1 crashes
2334. # [18:27] <philor> huh, we should probably back edmorley out of central, that's a whole lot of unknown linux64 orange
2335. # [18:27] <Ms2ger> cc0e289b9f34?
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2339. # [18:28] <edmorley> philor: i'll do bholley's
2340. # [18:28] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I'm doing bholley's :)
2341. # [18:28] <edmorley> cool, thank you
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2343. # [18:28] <edmorley> (just sorting out my new machine, that arrived today)
2344. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> UK keyboard? :)
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2346. # [18:30] <Ms2ger> Pushed
2347. # [18:30] <edmorley> yeah
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2358. # [18:33] <Ms2ger> Oh hey, we released a firefox?
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2360. # [18:34] <mbrubeck> Geez Ms2ger, we released Fx12 on Tuesday. We're on Fx87 by now!
2361. # [18:35] <mbrubeck> This new exponential release cycle is the ultimate marketing weapon against Chrome!
2362. # [18:35] <Ms2ger> Hmm
2363. # [18:35] <Ms2ger> Did I ship any new regressions in 12?
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2365. # [18:36] <@smaug> Ms2ger: maybe not you
2366. # [18:36] <@smaug> I might have reviewed one regression, Bug 749098
2367. # [18:36] <@smaug> though, it is really us doing the right thing
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2402. # [19:00] <edmorley> m-c's looking awfully orange, given how green the inbound cset picked for the merge was... :-(
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2446. # [19:19] <taras> Bas: can you vidyo into snappy meeting today?
2447. # [19:19] <taras> ttaubert: too please :)
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2454. # [19:25] <ttaubert> taras: when is it?
2455. # [19:25] <taras> ttaubert: 11 in pb&jelly
2456. # [19:25] <taras> pacaific
2457. # [19:25] <taras> so in 40min
2458. # [19:25] <ttaubert> ok
2459. # [19:25] <ttaubert> thx
2460. # [19:25] <taras> ttaubert: in toronto, there should be a room you can join
2461. # [19:26] <taras> vladan: can you guide ttaubert into the right place?
2462. # [19:26] <ttaubert> taras: yeah, was about to ask that
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2464. # [19:26] <vladan> taras, ttaubert: sure
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2472. # [19:32] <glandium> anyone around has some experience with CRT$XL* segments with MSVC?
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2488. # [19:39] <lmandel> ttaubert, vladan: I booked Finch for Snappy today.
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2490. # [19:39] <vladan> lmandel: cool
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2493. # [19:41] <lmandel> ehsan: ^ (if you're coming to snappy)
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2495. # [19:41] <@ehsan> lmandel: ok, I'm there now :)
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2508. # [19:47] <@ehsan> gavin: ping
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2523. # [19:52] <gavin> ehsan: pong
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2526. # [19:52] <@ehsan> gavin: I am opening a window in a test using OpenBrowerWindow
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2530. # [19:52] <@ehsan> gavin: and I'm using domwindowopened to get to that window
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2532. # [19:52] <@ehsan> I QI aSubject to Ci.nsIDOMWindow
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2534. # [19:53] <@ehsan> and now I want to access something defined in browser.js for that window
2535. # [19:53] <@ehsan> gavin: win.gFooBar does not work
2536. # [19:53] <@ehsan> do you know how I can do this/
2537. # [19:53] <@ehsan> ?
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2539. # [19:54] <gavin> ehsan: does XPCNativeWrapper.unwrap(win).gFoobar work?
2540. # [19:55] * @ehsan tries that
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2542. # [19:55] <aleth> Is there a way of detecting whether an XBL has already bound?
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2546. # [19:55] <aleth> (specifically, a listitem in a listbox)
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2552. # [19:58] <@ehsan> gavin: no
2553. # [19:58] <gavin> good :)
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2559. # [20:00] <gavin> ehsan: I dunno, seems to work for http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/sessionstore/test/browser_586068-cascaded_restore.js#285
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2561. # [20:00] <@ehsan> hmm
2562. # [20:01] <@ehsan> something fishy is going on here :(
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2577. # [20:09] <rillian_lime> I have a dumb quesion. modules/libpref/src/init/all.js is full of #ifdef protections.
2578. # [20:09] <rillian_lime> Where does that get run through the preprocessor? Or are those all comments?
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2586. # [20:12] <lmandel> gavin: if you want to join snappy we're in finch
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2591. # [20:12] <rillian_lime> Ah, config/Preprocessor.py. That *was* a stupid question.
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2593. # [20:13] <edmorley> jfkthame: inbound burning
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2595. # [20:13] <jfkthame> edmorley: huh?
2596. # [20:13] * jfkthame looks....
2597. # [20:14] <edmorley> jfkthame: want me to back out?
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2599. # [20:14] <jfkthame> edmorley: sure, if you're ready to…. must be a bad rebase
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2601. # [20:14] <edmorley> jfkthame: cool, backing out
2602. # [20:15] <jfkthame> thanks
2603. # [20:16] <edmorley> np
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2610. # [20:21] <Cww> Hey guys Matt_G is new on the SUMO team and he's going to be looking at issues and user concerns. I've told him you guys are a bunch of reasonably nice people who might help if he has technical questions. Don't make me look bad :P
2611. # [20:22] <Matt_G> Thanks for the intro Cww! Glad to meet you all!
2612. # [20:22] <@smaug> hello Matt_G
2613. # [20:22] <Ms2ger> He's wrong, we're not reasonably nice :)
2614. # [20:23] <Ms2ger> We're extremely nice!
2615. # [20:23] <dholbert> howdy Matt_G
2616. # [20:23] <@smaug> -- Ms2ger
2617. # [20:23] <Ms2ger> Except for smaug, of course
2618. # [20:23] <@khuey> some of us are unreasonably nice
2619. # [20:23] <@smaug> Ms2ger: sorry, I missed your latter message :)
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2622. # [20:24] <Matt_G> I'm sure I'll have a ton of questions, so it's good to know I won't get chased out ;)
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2624. # [20:25] <@smaug> Matt_G: don't hesitate to ask questions. depending on the time of the day, it may take some time before someone answers
2625. # [20:25] <Gijs> bz_sleep: thanks for the very quick review! Still wondering about sr though, is that still required? (bug 539095)
2626. # [20:26] <Matt_G> thanks smaug
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2628. # [20:26] <Ms2ger> smaug, have you complained about / reviewed the performance.now() thing?
2629. # [20:27] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I haven't
2630. # [20:27] <@smaug> which is why I asked someone else to review the patch
2631. # [20:27] <Gijs> Ms2ger: hmm?
2632. # [20:27] <@bz_sleep> Gijs: hmm
2633. # [20:27] <Ms2ger> hmm
2634. # [20:27] <@bz_sleep> Gijs: probably; ask smaug?
2635. # [20:27] <@bz_sleep> Gijs: he seems like a good sr here. ;)
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2637. # [20:27] <Gijs> :D
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2640. # [20:28] <Ms2ger> G'morning
2641. # [20:28] <@bz> hey
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2644. # [20:28] <@smaug> ok, now I need to review the spec :/
2645. # [20:30] <@bz> sorry
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2647. # [20:30] <@bz> it's pretty simple, though
2648. # [20:31] <@smaug> it is the spec which defines just one method?
2649. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> The spec will be better for it!
2650. # [20:32] <nemo> how the heck does http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/14/mozilla_considers_h264_video_support_after_googles_vp8_fails_to_gain_traction.html instead of, oh...
2651. # [20:32] <nemo> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/03/idealism-vs-pragmatism-mozilla-debates-supporting-h264-video-playback.ars
2652. # [20:32] <nemo> or something with a bit less venom
2653. # [20:32] <nemo> ... manage to hit the slashdot frontpage
2654. # [20:32] <Ms2ger> Because it's /.
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2656. # [20:32] <nemo> Ms2ger: so they are professional trolls?
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2658. # [20:33] <@smaug> yes
2659. # [20:33] <Ms2ger> You didn't know? :)
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2665. # [20:36] <Wes> slashdot used to be bad
2666. # [20:36] <Wes> and that was in the good old days
2667. # [20:36] <@bz> is kev needham on irc?
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2671. # [20:37] <bjacob> bz: try kev on #partners?
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2674. # [20:39] <@bz> bjacob: thanks!
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2676. # [20:40] <Gijs> bz: and my memory says you are on twitter but my google fu cannot find you. Which is right? :-)
2677. # [20:40] <Ms2ger> @bz_moz
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2681. # [20:42] <@smaug> bz on twitter. /me is surprised
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2683. # [20:43] <@bz> smaug: it took a lot of convincing
2684. # [20:44] <NeilAway> ehsan, gavin: it helps to copy the test and wait for the load event...
2685. # [20:44] <@bz> smaug: it makes a good write-only medium. ;)
2686. # [20:44] <@ehsan> NeilAway: I fixed the test, I just had 1000 bugs in it :)
2687. # [20:44] <@bz> smaug: for not saying much
2688. # [20:44] <@smaug> bz: I've used twitter only for CC testing
2689. # [20:45] <Gijs> bz: got that right, because I'm apparently already following you, except I thought I wasn't as I never saw tweets from you (also, I think I tried to autocomplete to your handleat one point, might have been client fail)
2690. # [20:45] <@bz> heh
2691. # [20:45] <@bz> Gijs: I tweet... sometimes. ;)
2692. # [20:45] <Gijs> :)
2693. # [20:46] <bjacob> but only as a write-only medium, right?
2694. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> <bz> smaug: it makes a good write-only medium. ;)
2695. # [20:46] <NeilAway> ehsan: this is why I love tests :-P
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2697. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> bholley, cpg is... Ready?
2698. # [20:49] <bholley> Ms2ger: it's green, yes
2699. # [20:50] <bholley> Ms2ger: last thing to do is figure out the tpaint regression
2700. # [20:50] <Ms2ger> Blame jmaher
2701. # [20:50] <bholley> Ms2ger: and possible neuter khuey's patch if he doesn't figure out the failures in time
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2703. # [20:50] * bholley realizes that he should probably have named that patch "neuter khuey's patch" rather than "neuter khuey" :P
2704. # [20:51] <jhammel> bholley: i don't see why ;)
2705. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> He's green, I don't think he can be helped
2706. # [20:51] <jhammel> do we *really* want khuey to reproduce?
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2708. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> jhammel, only bugs
2709. # [20:51] <Wes> sure, a race of slave hackers would be kind of awesome
2710. # [20:52] <bholley> Ms2ger: so, can you figure out _which_ assertion was being hit? Or is winxp too dumb for that?
2711. # [20:52] <bholley> Ms2ger: (on bug 640904)
2712. # [20:52] <Gijs> smaug: I assume you just want setTimeout(function() { ok(performance.now() > n); }, 100); or something, right? Not guesstimating the actual value based on the setTimeout and it's n+1th parameter and getting random test failures? :X
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2714. # [20:52] <Gijs> I have really bad memories from the nsIIdleService tests.
2715. # [20:52] <Gijs> (which, AFAIK, are *still* random oranging every now and then)
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2717. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> bholley, no, I acted on orders
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2723. # [20:54] <biesi> NeilAway, using $?
2724. # [20:54] <Ms2ger> €, dammit
2725. # [20:55] <@smaug> Gijs: yeah, just something which checks that now() does actually increase
2726. # [20:55] <philor> bholley: not just XP, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11229757&tree=Mozilla-Inbound#error1 is Win7 offering up no assertion, just a crash
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2728. # [20:55] <jhammel> NeilAway: ?
2729. # [20:55] <Gijs> smaug: OK.
2730. # [20:56] <NeilAway> jhammel, biesi: Error: $ is not defined
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2732. # [20:56] <bholley> philor: ah, you're right. I don't know why I thought it was an assertion...
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2734. # [21:00] <Ms2ger> bjacob, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COI btw
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2736. # [21:01] <bjacob> Ms2ger: so is it OK for a mozilla employee or community member to edit the firefox page on wikipedia?
2737. # [21:01] <bjacob> "COI editing is strongly discouraged"
2738. # [21:01] <bjacob> seems like not
2739. # [21:01] <bjacob> Ms2ger: can you reply to the thread on mozillians@ ? please
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2745. # [21:02] <NeilAway> DOM Inspector FTW
2746. # [21:02] <Ms2ger> Sent
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2751. # [21:04] <@ehsan> jfkthame: ping
2752. # [21:04] <jfkthame> ehsan: pong
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2755. # [21:05] <@ehsan> jfkthame: so this other build doesn't have that bug :)
2756. # [21:06] <@ehsan> therefore you're innocent ;)
2757. # [21:06] <@ehsan> can we get your patch landed?
2758. # [21:06] <Ms2ger> Hah
2759. # [21:06] <@ehsan> I really really really want it :)
2760. # [21:06] <Ms2ger> jfkthame, innocent? Oh really? ;)
2761. # [21:06] <jfkthame> Ms2ger: :P
2762. # [21:06] <@ehsan> hell I'm even willing to watch m-c so that we can land it directly there
2763. # [21:07] <jfkthame> ehsan: we'll need to request approval to uplift it for the fennec-native release, so i'm not sure rushing in to m-c really makes much difference
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2810. # [21:47] <Cork[home]> whats the most efficient way to bisect if you hit an inbound merge in central?
2811. # [21:48] <Cork[home]> *way to continue bisecting if
2812. # [21:49] <nemo> note it down, start bisects before and after? :)
2813. # [21:49] <Cork[home]> i meant more how to fine where to start in inbound
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2815. # [21:50] <Cork[home]> right now i fiddle with shortlog, but that feels quite sub optimal
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2818. # [21:52] <nemo> Cork[home]: er. fiddle?
2819. # [21:52] <Cork[home]> i goto hg.mozilla.org grab the first and last change set it list for the merge
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2824. # [21:54] <nemo> oh.
2825. # [21:54] <nemo> ok. yeah, that hardly seems more efficient than using hg log
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2827. # [21:54] <nemo> "less" is so much more browsable
2828. # [21:54] <@bsmedberg> hrm, "for each" is a Mozilla-only construct?
2829. # [21:55] <nemo> bsmedberg: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/for_each...in "Note: for each...in is part of the ECMA-357 (E4X) standard, which is not widely supported by non-Mozilla browsers, not part of the ECMAScript standard."
2830. # [21:55] <Cork[home]> nemo: how do i make hg log tell me the changesets from inbound in central?
2831. # [21:55] <dholbert> Cork[home], the cset IDs are the same
2832. # [21:55] <Mossop> bsmedberg: for...of is the new hotness that is actually part of a coming spec I believe
2833. # [21:55] <@bsmedberg> well that doesn't help me *now* ;-)
2834. # [21:55] <biesi> bsmedberg, E4X, I tyhink?
2835. # [21:55] <squib> isn't the standard equivalent for...of?
2836. # [21:55] <squib> er, beaten
2837. # [21:56] <Cork[home]> dholbert: ya, but the merge only exists in central
2838. # [21:56] <Mossop> bsmedberg: It is implemented in Mozilla already, maybe that doesn't help either though
2839. # [21:56] <jorendorff> for…of isn't equivalent, i think we're the only ones that have it
2840. # [21:56] <jorendorff> and I still have details to finish
2841. # [21:56] <dholbert> Cork[home], the merge exists in both places, actually; it's just the tip of a _push_ in central
2842. # [21:56] <@bsmedberg> Yeah well http://localhost:8081/static/triage.html doesn't work in chrome because of this
2843. # [21:56] <Cork[home]> ow
2844. # [21:56] <@bsmedberg> it's not too hard to fix, just annoying
2845. # [21:56] <@bsmedberg> oh public link benjamin.smedbergs.us/triage-groups.fcgi/static/triage.html
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2847. # [21:56] <Cork[home]> dholbert: thx that explains a lot
2848. # [21:56] <squib> in thunderbird at least, we tend to use for(let [key, value] in Iterator(foo)) ...
2849. # [21:57] <dholbert> Cork[home], that's why pushloghtml looks different between the two
2850. # [21:57] <@bsmedberg> squib: heh, does chrome support destructuring assignment?
2851. # [21:57] * @bsmedberg figured it didn't
2852. # [21:57] <@bsmedberg> or "let"?
2853. # [21:57] <dholbert> Cork[home], but history is identical between them (up to the last merge on whichever branch you're looking at)
2854. # [21:57] <dholbert> Cork[home], np
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2856. # [21:58] * NeilAway sighs
2857. # [21:58] <NeilAway> who broke image maps?
2858. # [21:58] <squib> bsmedberg: hmm
2859. # [21:58] * jhammel|lunch is now known as jhammel
2860. # [21:58] <nemo> NeilAway: woah. people still use those?
2861. # [21:58] <squib> i count myself lucky because 99% of the javascript i write is mozilla-only
2862. # [21:59] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, yw
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2865. # [21:59] <@bz> NeilAway: broke how?
2866. # [21:59] <jhammel> nemo: what's wrong with image maps?
2867. # [22:00] <NeilAway> oh great, they're broken in a different way in Gecko 2
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2869. # [22:00] <squib> bsmedberg: looks like no, but apparently opera supports some of it
2870. # [22:01] <NeilAway> bz: well, on trunk, I get all sorts of asserts
2871. # [22:01] <jhammel> the only one i have seems to work; admittedly it is pretty basic http://k0s.org/pictures/berkeley/
2872. # [22:01] <@bz> bsmedberg: chrome really doesn't support much in the way of cool JS stuff
2873. # [22:01] <@bz> NeilAway: example?
2874. # [22:01] <jhammel> bz: but all the cool kids use chrome!
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2877. # [22:02] <@smaug> jhammel: nah, products from Apple and Google are so yesterday
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2879. # [22:03] <nemo> jhammel: oh, just seems overcomplicated to construct for most people, w/ easier ways to get the same effect. And of course has been abused in the past to make ugly navigation areas.
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2881. # [22:03] <nemo> jhammel: and where not abused, is still not exactly easy to tell what clicks to what
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2883. # [22:05] <jhammel> nemo: sure it is...the URL pops up in the lower left corner ;)
2884. # [22:05] <nemo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_meat_navigation
2885. # [22:05] <NeilAway> bz: hmm, smallest example would be <img src="about:logo" usemap="#map"><img src="about:logo" usemap="#map"><map name="map"><area href="about:logo" shape="rect" coords="0,0,100,100">
2886. # [22:06] <NeilAway> bz: you get ASSERTION: Losing track of existing primary frame when loading and ASSERTION: Unexpected primary frame when unloading
2887. # [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: uh
2888. # [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: I thought I'd fixed all those asserts
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2890. # [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: please file and cc me, ok?
2891. # [22:07] <NeilAway> bz: ok
2892. # [22:07] <NeilAway> bz: which component?
2893. # [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: that should be simple enough to fix
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2895. # [22:07] <@bz> NeilAway: layout
2896. # [22:07] <NeilAway> bz: also, interesting tabbing behaviour, but that's the same back to 1.6, so nm on that
2897. # [22:08] <@bz> yeah
2898. # [22:08] <@bz> this is just assert conditions needing adjusting
2899. # [22:08] <@bz> I would think
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2904. # [22:10] <@ehsan> jfkthame: well it makes my life easier ;)
2905. # [22:10] <@ehsan> cause I personally use Nightly
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2907. # [22:11] <@smaug> bz: IIRC there is a very old bug open related to image maps
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2909. # [22:11] <@smaug> bz: that the area points to the first image frame or something
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2913. # [22:12] <@smaug> the frame of the first image using the map
2914. # [22:12] <@bz> smaug: yes
2915. # [22:12] <@bz> oh, wait
2916. # [22:12] <@bz> this is two separate images with the same map?
2917. # [22:12] <@bz> we might have a bug on that already
2918. # [22:12] <@bz> for the asserts
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2922. # [22:15] <NeilAway> bz: too late, already filed :s
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2929. # [22:16] <@bz> NeilAway: ok
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2931. # [22:16] <mcsmurf> um, I just got some mail from mana.mozilla.org wiki(?)
2932. # [22:16] <mcsmurf> did others also get it? Not sure what the mail should tell me
2933. # [22:16] <froydnj> mcsmurf: yeah, I got it too
2934. # [22:16] <gavin> what did it say?
2935. # [22:16] <mcsmurf> it includes a link to some page
2936. # [22:16] <mcsmurf> where I need a MoCO LDAP login
2937. # [22:17] <mcsmurf> "[mana] Recommended in Confluence - mana.mozilla.org - Apr 26, 2012"
2938. # [22:17] <gavin> weird
2939. # [22:17] <jbuck> i also got it. I assume it was an "I accidentally the moco-all"
2940. # [22:17] <gavin> except that non-moco people got it
2941. # [22:17] <gavin> (perhaps only non-moco people?)
2942. # [22:17] <jbuck> hm. I got it at my mofo and personal address. that *is* weird
2943. # [22:18] <gavin> mcsmurf: mana.m.o is an alternative to intranet.m.o that runs different software (confluence instead of mediawiki)
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2951. # [22:20] <JonathanS> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/04/26/1738206/mozilla-considers-h264-after-webm-fails-to-gain-traction hmm
2952. # [22:20] <gaston> i've just received it too, so maybe it spammed all the ldap accounts
2953. # [22:20] <bkero> old article is old
2954. # [22:21] <JonathanS> bkero, slashdot is usually late
2955. # [22:21] <bkero> JonathanS: but they _already_ reported this too
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2957. # [22:21] <JonathanS> for?
2958. # [22:22] <bkero> JonathanS: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/03/20/1742209/mozilla-to-support-h264
2959. # [22:22] <ekr_> I love /.
2960. # [22:22] <jgilbert> It's a little senile.
2961. # [22:22] <bkero> So they reported it a few days after the mailing list posts...and now a month later.
2962. # [22:22] <JonathanS> bkero, oh repost
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2974. # [22:28] <JonathanS> Does Google promised to kill H.264 in Chrome>
2975. # [22:28] <@smaug> they did say they would, but they didn't
2976. # [22:29] <jgilbert> that was, what, 15 months ago?
2977. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> ehsan, so
2978. # [22:29] <@ehsan> ?
2979. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> NodeIsType(aNode, aProperty)
2980. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> In nsHTMLEditor::RemoveStyleInside
2981. # [22:30] <Ms2ger> Can I assume that won't return true for non-Element nodes?
2982. # [22:30] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: no, I don't think so
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3008. # [22:33] <nemo> huh. I didn't know moznet had netsplits
3009. # [22:33] <mcsmurf> bye
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3013. # [22:34] <gavin> that wasn't a netsplit
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3016. # [22:34] <gavin> looks like a toronto office wifi hiccup
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3022. # [22:35] <nemo> gavin: rebooting always fixes the router? :)
3023. # [22:35] <nemo> that's my home diagnostic strategy anyway
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3025. # [22:36] <Gijs> bz: ping. I have a stupid question about your 'please inline this' suggestion.
3026. # [22:36] <@bz> yes
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3028. # [22:36] <Gijs> What exactly did you mean? Because just adding 'inline' modifiers to the function breaks linkage, I guess because it lives on nsDOMNavigationTiming, and the callsite is nsDOMPerformance
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3031. # [22:37] <Gijs> I don't think I can make the method live on nsDOMPerformance unless I also write a getter for the mNavigationStartTimeStamp, which I otherwise can't access...
3032. # [22:37] <Gijs> what am I missing? :)
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3039. # [22:38] <@bz> Gijs: can I see your diff?
3040. # [22:38] <@bz> gijs: just pastebin it
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3044. # [22:39] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: ping
3045. # [22:39] <Gijs> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1599383
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3048. # [22:39] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: yep?
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3050. # [22:39] <Gijs> (as implied, I'm probably missing something stupid; not a C++ native speaker...)
3051. # [22:39] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: hey...so your comments in bug 746697 are pretty much what i did in the alt patch that i posted
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3056. # [22:40] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: except for your "nsCacheService::EnsureOfflineDevice()" comment
3057. # [22:40] <@bz> Gijs: you need to put the inline thing in nsDOMNavigationTiming.h
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3059. # [22:40] <@bz> Gijs: not in the .cpp
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3062. # [22:40] <@bz> Gijs: and also....
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3064. # [22:40] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: are you saying to call that at the beginning of every method in nsApplicationCacheService.cpp?
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3066. # [22:40] <@bz> Gijs: make the version on nsDOMNavigationTiming return a DOMHiResTimeStamp
3067. # [22:41] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: you didn't, sorry :)
3068. # [22:41] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: re every method: yes
3069. # [22:41] <@bz> Gijs: and get rid of all the unnecessary nsresult stuff
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3073. # [22:42] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: ok - what else didn't i do in those comments?
3074. # [22:42] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: if you made what I suggested, you woudn't need this change: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=618477&action=diff#a/suite/common/bindings/notification.xml_sec1
3075. # [22:42] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: no, i'm talking about the alt patch
3076. # [22:42] <bnicholson> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=618467
3077. # [22:43] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: ah!!! total overlook. I went after r? from my review queue!
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3079. # [22:43] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: going to look at it right now
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3081. # [22:43] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: why didn't you request r for it?
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3084. # [22:43] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: heh, no problem...i didnt ask for r? for it because it still wasnt doing what i wanted
3085. # [22:44] <bnicholson> but i also didnt have those EnsureOfflineDevice() calls
3086. # [22:44] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: aha. f? would be the way probably
3087. # [22:44] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: let me check
3088. # [22:44] <bnicholson> mayhemer__: ok, so if we're relying on calling that at the beginning of each method to do this, couldn't we make this a lot simpler?
3089. # [22:45] <bnicholson> e.g., not have to make its own class, leave it as a singleton with GetInstance()
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3092. # [22:45] <bnicholson> if we have that check at the beginning of each method, it would still work fine i believe
3093. # [22:45] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: let me take a look at the patch first
3094. # [22:45] <bnicholson> ok, thanks
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3102. # [22:47] <@bz> not sure what to do with that....
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3106. # [22:48] <Gijs> bz: like so? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1599404
3107. # [22:49] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: you are on good path!
3108. # [22:49] <mayhemer__> bnicholson: goig private...
3109. # [22:49] <dholbert> bz, talk to Cww (though I'm not sure if we have thunderbird support)
3110. # [22:49] <mayhemer__> going
3111. # [22:49] <@bz> Gijs: yes, but you want to put the actual function impl in the header
3112. # [22:49] <Gijs> Ah.
3113. # [22:50] <Gijs> bz: recommendations on what to read so next time I ask fewer stupid questions? ;)
3114. # [22:50] <@bz> Gijs: for the inline function
3115. # [22:50] <@ehsan> gavin: do you really care about whether I use an observer object or a function? :)
3116. # [22:50] <dholbert> bz, (when that happens for firefox issues at least, the protocol is to forward the message to Cww and he handles / delegates when he/others have cycles)
3117. # [22:50] * Gijs googled but got 'mixed' results
3118. # [22:50] <@bz> Gijs: I learned my C++ by reading Gecko source code
3119. # [22:50] <@bz> Gijs: but I can't exactly "recommend" that approach....
3120. # [22:50] <Gijs> bz: ditto, but I don't read as much of it as you do. :)
3121. # [22:50] <@bz> Gijs: so no recommendation, sorry
3122. # [22:51] <gavin> ehsan: yes
3123. # [22:51] <Gijs> (haven't/did)
3124. # [22:51] <@ehsan> gavin: ok, I'll change it then
3125. # [22:51] <@bz> dholbert: thanks!
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3127. # [22:51] <Gijs> 's ok, I'll get by for now :)
3128. # [22:51] <@bz> cww is Cheng?
3129. # [22:51] <dholbert> bz, correct
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3131. # [22:52] <@bz> dholbert: perfect
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3137. # [22:58] <NeilAway> Waldo: what's the non-Gecko version of __proto__ (to modify the constructor of an object)?
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3139. # [22:58] <sfink> just about any old handgun will do. Point at foot, pull trigger.
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3141. # [23:00] <sfink> (if I knew the actual answer, I would tell you)
3142. # [23:00] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, "don't do that"
3143. # [23:00] <Gijs> NeilAway: obj.getPrototypeOf(foo)
3144. # [23:00] <Gijs> NeilAway: says MDN! :-)
3145. # [23:00] <@khuey> oh boy
3146. # [23:00] <NeilAway> Gijs: that gets it?
3147. # [23:00] <@khuey> there's an article about women in technology on Hacker News
3148. # [23:00] <NeilAway> I wanted to set it
3149. # [23:00] <@khuey> this will end well
3150. # [23:00] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, we don't want you to do that
3151. # [23:01] <Gijs> NeilAway: you set you wanted to set the constructor
3152. # [23:02] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: so, if you write function f() { return []; } then (new f()) instanceof f will never be true, and there's no way to fake it out?
3153. # [23:02] <Ms2ger> Waldo? :)
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3155. # [23:03] <Gijs> NeilAway: let x = new f(); Object.getPrototypeOf(x).constructor = f;
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3157. # [23:03] <@khuey> gerv: ping?
3158. # [23:03] <Gijs> NeilAway: would work, presumably?
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3160. # [23:03] <NeilAway> Gijs: wouldn't that change Array.prototype?
3161. # [23:03] <Gijs> Although, YMMV at which browsers actually support Object.getPrototypeOf...
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3163. # [23:03] <Gijs> Hrm.
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3165. # [23:04] <Gijs> I guess you don't have any control over the callsite of the constructor (I mean, you can't change the new f() call?)
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3167. # [23:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dca63f21e6d2 - Olli Pettay - Bug 749128 - Make sure to have JSContext before creating TabChildGlobal, r=jst
3168. # [23:05] <Gijs> Otherwise, I think the new awesomeness is using Object.create
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3170. # [23:05] <NeilAway> Gijs: ah, changing an object prototype is not possible in standard ECMAScript
3171. # [23:05] <Gijs> But that doesn't help here if you don't control the caller.
3172. # [23:05] <Gijs> :)
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3190. # [23:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0d6b3c17b839 - Honza Bambas - Bug 749182 - crash in nsSessionStorageEntry::~nsSessionStorageEntry due to a double delete, r=bz
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3201. # [23:20] <Ms2ger> ehsan, so
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3203. # [23:20] <Ms2ger> nsEditor::SplitNode(nsIDOMNode * aNode,
3204. # [23:21] <Ms2ger> Will that ever not be an element?
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3208. # [23:21] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: possibly
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3210. # [23:22] <Ms2ger> If aNode is an element, it will return an element as well, though, right?
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3218. # [23:23] * Ms2ger will look again tomorrow
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3220. # [23:24] <mdas> ejpbruel: hey, you around the office?
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3225. # [23:26] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: that's not for text nodes then?
3226. # [23:27] <Ms2ger> It might be
3227. # [23:27] * Ms2ger is too tired to reason about crappy code
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3239. # [23:36] <philor> I think I'll remove all those links to the tree rules in the status messages
3240. # [23:36] <gavin> who do you want me to yell at
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3243. # [23:36] <philor> *
3244. # [23:36] <@smaug> probably to me
3245. # [23:37] <gavin> which rules are being broken
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3249. # [23:37] <philor> star aurora, at the moment
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3253. # [23:38] <philor> except for dbaron, who gets a pass on starring below him since he's cruising for an all-green still
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3256. # [23:38] <@dbaron> honestly, I think we need to make the tree rules for the different trees more similar to each other
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3258. # [23:39] <philor> practically, we have
3259. # [23:39] <philor> every single tree has inbound's rules
3260. # [23:39] <@dbaron> well, I think we need to change inbound's rules to say that you are required to look at the tree before pushing
3261. # [23:39] <dholbert> philor++
3262. # [23:39] <@dbaron> rather than just suggested to
3263. # [23:39] <philor> which isn't the least bit surprising, psychologically
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3267. # [23:39] <@dbaron> since yesterday all talos runs were red for 5 hours before anybody thought to close the tree
3268. # [23:40] <@dbaron> or to tell releng that the stuff they did in their downtime window broke all talos runs
3269. # [23:40] <philor> well, not quite
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3272. # [23:41] <@dbaron> what, 4 hours 45 minutes?
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3275. # [23:41] <philor> the downtime ended at noon, right?
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3277. # [23:42] <@dbaron> but I think the tree actually reopened well before that
3278. # [23:42] <@dbaron> judging from pushes, anyway
3279. # [23:42] <philor> I can barely remember back to yesterday, to be honest, but I only retriggered about 500 jobs, no way that's 5 hours worth
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3282. # [23:43] <philor> ohgodesr10pushes
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3284. # [23:43] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Esr10&onlyunstarred=1
3285. # [23:43] <philor> THERE ARE NO RULES
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3287. # [23:43] <catlee> a=randomstring
3288. # [23:44] <catlee> shipit!
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3291. # [23:45] <@dbaron> philor, ok, there were only 4 pushes from 12:35 to 14:19
3292. # [23:45] <philor> who here has kids, and has gotten into the trap where they don't pick up their stuff, so you pick it up so the house doesn't look horrible, so they don't pick up their stuff because you'll pick it up?
3293. # [23:45] <philor> I need advice about how to get out of that cycle
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3295. # [23:46] <gavin> in this case the downsides to not picking stuff up are a little vague
3296. # [23:46] <gavin> even if you don't do it for them
3297. # [23:46] <derf> philor: http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/208744/428004.jpg
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3299. # [23:46] <catlee> philor: dump it on their bed?
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3302. # [23:46] <philor> we could see whether there are downsides :)
3303. # [23:46] <catlee> they don't get food until they clean up
3304. # [23:47] <catlee> that seems to get the job done
3305. # [23:47] <catlee> for us anyway
3306. # [23:47] <philor> sweet, who do I know in HR?
3307. # [23:47] <philor> jorendorff: beta's looking a little bent, if not busted
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3310. # [23:47] <mkaply> philor: what do you do with it after you pick it up?
3311. # [23:48] <mkaply> Put it in a trash bag and put it in your closet or something. If they leave something out, they lose it.
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3313. # [23:48] <philor> hmmm, the "fuck you and your orange, I'm backing you out" approach :)
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3317. # [23:49] * philor reads up, sees it wasn't obvious that he meant unstarred failures rather than literal toys and clothes
3318. # [23:49] <Callek> philor: my parents tried the "put it on the bed" approach, I just pushed it off and layed down
3319. # [23:50] <Callek> when I was younger
3320. # [23:50] <gavin> haha
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3322. # [23:50] <KWierso> under the sheets!
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3325. # [23:52] <philor> dbaron: now you're not looking so good on aurora, unknown reftest failure
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3327. # [23:53] <@dbaron> philor, I claim it's random. If only I could make tbplbot file the bug for me...
3328. # [23:53] <philor> we really should do that
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3331. # [23:54] <philor> must be some way that a random page can tell that you are able to log in to bugzilla, and take that as a sign that it's okay to use the Orange Filer account on your behalf
3332. # [23:55] <philor> which would eliminate the need to mess with LDAP, and make it something that anyone could just hack up
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