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# [00:00] <lduros> jtcranmer robert: so how do you determine your locale?
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# [00:01] <lduros> jtcranmer robert: I'm just using a hidden iframe to parse a http response, and then serializing it back, but in some cases when there's no charset defined, I'm having issues. I've set it by default as utf-8, and it works for some site but not all
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# [00:47] <NeilAway> lduros: iirc 8859-1
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# [00:52] <GPHemsley> Can anyone reproduce a regression of the tab-bounce-right-after-close behavior in the latest nightly? I noticed it after I installed Firebug, but I'm not sure if it's related.
# [00:52] <GPHemsley> That is, when you close a tab, the rest of the tabs don't automatically bounce right; they just leave a gap where the old tab used to be.
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# [00:53] <GPHemsley> (Scrolling the tabs enough to the left will reset it.)
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# [01:00] <zzzzz> GPHemsley: Probably https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749658
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# [01:03] <Callek> Ryan: if you == RyanVM pong
# [01:05] <zzzzz> I'm pretty sure RyanVM is his name on IRC not just Ryan
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# [02:10] <marco> i've seen a regression in tab animation performance since version 12, is this known?
# [02:10] <KWierso> since 12? I don't think so
# [02:11] <marco> i'm not so sure of the version, because the computer isn't mine
# [02:12] <marco> when I close tabs on that computer it takes more than a second to close the tab (the tab title is cleared, but it remains for a second without any title)
# [02:12] <WG9s> marco: so is this really a regression, or is it just a this computer that is not yours is slower???
# [02:13] <marco> WG9s, the last time I used Firefox on that computer this didn't happen
# [02:13] <KWierso> might also be a bloated sessionstore.js file in the profile folder
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# [02:14] <marco> KWierso, a bloated sessionstore.js could led to slow tab animation?
# [02:14] <KWierso> I'm not sure what the order of things is, but when you close a tab or open a tab, that change has to be reflected in that file
# [02:14] <lduros> NeilAway: Ah ok, good to know. Thanks!
# [02:14] <KWierso> if the file's really big, that could take a while, causing things to slow down
# [02:16] <WG9s> plus this whole discussion really belong on the #firefox channel.
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# [02:17] <WG9s> therfore I am doing a /ignore
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# [02:24] <WG9s> OK so now that that is over I am back to only ignoring [jonathans!*@* and lamefun!*@*].
# [02:25] <WG9s> for good cause
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# [02:55] <ekw> This is the try results for bug 724841 (my first patch). https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=c6ef72f5f196 Can someone help interpret? What should I do now?
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# [02:57] <vinay> hi i am new for development .I am download mozilla firefox source code what will be do next?
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# [03:00] <jlebar> ekw, Let me see here...
# [03:00] <fabrice1> vinay: there are info at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Build_Documentation
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# [03:00] <jlebar> ekw, In general, you click on the orange results and see if they correspond to a known random failure.
# [03:01] <jlebar> ekw, The two linux64 debug ones do. And I'm pretty sure the leak in OSX debug is known.
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# [03:01] <jlebar> (TBPL doesn't match leaks to bugs.)
# [03:01] <vinay> fabrice1: thanks:)
# [03:01] <jlebar> ekw, Part of the fun is that TBPL randomly fails to fetch some logs.
# [03:02] <ekw> jlebar: so does it need to be run again?
# [03:02] <ekw> Can you tell if my patch caused any of the failures?
# [03:03] <jlebar> ekw, No, I don't think it needs to be run again. Most of the failures look benign. I'm still trying to load a few of the logs, though.
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# [03:04] <jlebar> ekw, I'm pretty sure this patch isn't causing any of these failures.
# [03:05] <darktrojan> someone should make an 'intro to tbpl' screencast
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# [03:06] <ekw> jlebar: what should I do with the bug in bugzilla now? Set to review to '?' ?
# [03:06] <darktrojan> heh, I suggest philor, for entertainment's sake
# [03:06] <jlebar> lol, that would be hilarious.
# [03:06] <jlebar> ekw, Let's see...bz already r+'ed your patch. So I can check it in for you, if you'd like.
# [03:07] <jlebar> ekw, r+ means "if you make these changes, you can check it in without further review."
# [03:07] <ekw> oh ok, that would be great
# [03:07] <jlebar> ekw, Okay, give me a sec.
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# [03:09] <Mark_Capella> philor once gave me this advice for reviewing push results ... ekw: might like it :p
# [03:10] <Mark_Capella> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1604568
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# [03:11] <ekw> LOL
# [03:11] <vinay> what is meaning of make -f client.mk command?
# [03:12] <ekw> One android test failed. I look forward to being mercilessly mocked.
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# [03:12] <darktrojan> ekw, only one? you should get mocked for that
# [03:12] <jlebar> ekw, Unfortunately the patch doesn't apply cleanly against mozilla-inbound. Can you fix that and change the commit message to end with "r=bz"?
# [03:12] <darktrojan> it's outrageously good
# [03:13] <fabrice1> jlebar: what do you think we would lose by compiling with --disable-jemalloc for b2g?
# [03:14] <jlebar> fabrice1, Well, if the rest of bionic is any indication, I do not expect its heap allocator to be at all good.
# [03:14] <jlebar> fabrice1, In fact, the way things have gone, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not thread-safe. :)
# [03:14] <ekw> jlebar: So I've been using mozilla-central... I should now download mozilla-inbound, make the same changes, create the patch and make sure the patch commit message ends with "r=bz"?
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# [03:15] <fabrice1> jlebar: arg. Because we have some nasty allocator/deallocator mismatches that make us crash. 1) jemalloc allocate, 2) android deallocate 3) sigsegv
# [03:15] <jlebar> ekw, Well, it's slightly easier than that...
# [03:15] <ekw> jlebar: and upload that new patch to bugzilla?
# [03:15] <jlebar> fabrice1, Yeah, I saw the bug.
# [03:15] <fabrice1> and one class is not subclassable since it has a private destructor
# [03:15] <jlebar> fabrice1, If it's blocking you, then maybe we should disable it temporarily. But I would not want that to be permanent, no way.
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# [03:16] <jlebar> ekw, First thing, can you check that the patch applies cleanly to the tip of mozilla-central?
# [03:16] <jlebar> ekw, (Are you using mercurial queues?)
# [03:17] <ekw> jlebar: I am using mercurial queues, though this is the first time I'm doing so, but I think I can pop the patch, do a pull and reapply the patch?
# [03:18] <jlebar> ekw, Yep. You'll get a .rej file, which you'll have to reapply manually.
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# [03:18] <jlebar> ekw, In general, most people develop against mozilla-inbound. Here are instructions for cloning it quickly given an existing m-c clone: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ouGYu5fDHaYJ:jlebar.com/2011/5/20/Faster_and_smaller_clones_of_branches.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-nightly
# [03:18] <jlebar> (Unfortunately my blog seems to be down atm...)
# [03:19] <ekw> jlebar: OK, I used mozilla-central because that's what some getting started docs said to do.
# [03:19] <jlebar> ekw, :-/ We should change that.
# [03:19] <ekw> But I make a patch that applies cleanly to m-c tip and then...?
# [03:20] <jlebar> ekw, Then re-attach it with the new commit message. If it doesn't apply cleanly against m-i, I'll fix it for you this time, so you don't have to wait to clone m-i and so on.
# [03:20] <ekw> jlebar: ok, thanks, I'll see if I can do that soon
# [03:21] <jlebar> ekw, Sounds good. Let me know if you need help.
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# [03:53] <ekw> jlebar: new patch uploaded at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724841
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# [03:56] <jlebar> ekw, Perfect. I just pushed for you; you can see the results at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [03:56] <jlebar> ekw, Congratulations on your first patch!
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# [04:05] <jlebar> ekw, In a day or two, someone will comment in the bug to note that the change has been merged into m-c. Then it'll be available in the next nightly.
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# [07:38] <Callek> philor: fwiw I'm trying to load inbound clobberer right now -- I am in the build vpn right now, but not $SPECIAL so this might be"helpful" in theory
# [07:39] <Callek> philor: and what do you know, it loads :-)
# [07:39] <philor> interesting
# [07:39] <Callek> philor: does inbound need clobbers right now
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# [07:39] <philor> not reasonable, but interesting
# [07:40] <philor> no, no need, just digging through bugmail
# [07:40] <Callek> yea *no* idea why
# [07:40] <Callek> perhaps its some sort of "loading from an external IP hits a timeout on the intermediate infra" while loading from internal gets a much larger timeout
# [07:41] <Callek> or a memory cap, or something
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# [07:45] <bkero> wtf is going on here? http://www.dell.com/story
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# [07:52] <philor> a tiresome scrolling hack to tell the story of "Dude, you're not getting an Air"
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# [07:55] <Havvy> bkero: Somebody saw Nike and wanted to imitate them?
# [07:56] <nigelb> philor++
# [07:57] <jesup> philor: heh? Looks sane to me -- aha! it refuses to open the story if you don't have Flash
# [07:58] <Havvy> Flash? Really? That could have all been done in HTML5.
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# [08:21] <JonathanS> Havvy, FTFY
# [08:21] <Callek> glandium: ping?
# [08:22] <Callek> glandium: you're the Ubuntu SeaMonkey maintainer, right?
# [08:22] <Callek> or am I forgetting your distro
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# [08:23] <Callek> darn :/
# [08:23] <Callek> :)
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# [08:41] <Callek> dear whoever uploaded http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/21924671247/there-really-should-be-a-hg-pre-commit-hook-to there *is* a check for that, but its not turned on yet, iirc (it turns the build red if files are present but not in package-manifest)
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# [08:47] <glandium> Callek: I don't understand why we bother with package-manifest, though...
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# [08:47] <Callek> glandium: so we don't package tests, etc.
# [08:47] <glandium> Callek: there are other ways to do that
# [08:48] <glandium> that don't require not to forget to document package-manifest.in
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# [09:31] <AryehGregor> So, if I have nsIDOMNode *aNode, and do nsCOMPtr<nsINode> node = do_QueryInterface(aNode), is it safe to MOZ_ASSERT(aNode)?
# [09:31] <AryehGregor> Er.
# [09:31] <AryehGregor> I mean, MOZ_ASSERT(node)?
# [09:31] <AryehGregor> Assuming I know aNode isn't null.
# [09:31] <AryehGregor> Or are there ways in which do_QueryInterface can fail here?
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# [09:46] <rnewman> alright, chaps, can someone lend me a clue here?
# [09:46] <AryehGregor> Only if you give it back afterwards.
# [09:46] <rnewman> when I switch between two already loaded tabs, I don't seem to get *any* events; not TabShow, not TabSelect, not pageshow
# [09:47] <rnewman> can someone suggest which events do get triggered? something's catching something and changing my title out from under me
# [09:49] <rnewman> oh hey! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361259
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# [10:31] <merike> how do I fix http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1605149?
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# [10:40] <Callek> well looks like you have |--with-dist-prefix=/media/Meedia/try-build/dist| for the configure arg before the error, that sounds like a good start
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# [10:48] <merike> /media/Meedia/ is a valid location..
# [10:50] <merike> even try-build/dist folder gets created
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# [11:03] <merike> apparently not building for months is not a good idea, comm-central fails even more strangely (configure: error: application: invalid feature name)
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# [12:17] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, yes, QI to nsINode can fail
# [12:18] <Ms2ger> If the nsIDOMNode comes from script, at least
# [12:18] <Ms2ger> Because XPConnect will happily act like {} is an nsIDOMNode
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# [12:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f622f1ccef2b - Olli Pettay - Bug 747675, try to decrease max forgetSkippable times, r=mccr8
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# [12:53] <AryehGregor> If XPConnect treats {} as an nsIDOMNode, isn't that going to blow up anyway sooner rather than later? As soon as anything calls any interesting method?
# [12:53] <AryehGregor> Or will all methods just throw or something?
# [12:54] <AryehGregor> That seems like a pretty terrible bug, anyway . . .
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# [13:02] <AryehGregor> nsCOMPtr<nsINode> node = do_QueryInterface(node);
# [13:02] <AryehGregor> How in heaven's name did a typo like that even compile?
# [13:03] <AryehGregor> I guess it must be like "nsCOMPtr<nsINode> node; node = do_QueryInterface(node);" which is just use of an uninitialized variable . . .
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# [13:03] <AryehGregor> (or is it?)
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# [13:04] <Ms2ger> nsCOMPtr initializes to null, fortunately
# [13:04] <Ms2ger> Morning, edmorley
# [13:05] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good morning :-)
# [13:05] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, [120429 13:45:46] <AryehGregor> If XPConnect treats {} as an nsIDOMNode, isn't that going to blow up anyway sooner rather than later? As soon as anything calls any interesting method?
# [13:05] <AryehGregor> [120429 13:45:51] <AryehGregor> Or will all methods just throw or something?
# [13:05] <AryehGregor> [120429 13:45:57] <AryehGregor> That seems like a pretty terrible bug, anyway . . .
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> Well, yes-ish
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> It makes some sense in the XPCOM world where you'd like scripts to be able to implement most interfaces
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> Less so in the DOM, of course
# [13:09] <AryehGregor> Is there any way to have a pointer type that's guaranteed not to be null (obviously insofar as there are any guarantees in a world of pointer arithmetic and (void*) casts)?
# [13:09] <AryehGregor> I mean, wouldn't that be a lot nicer than having to do a null pointer check at the beginning of every function?
# [13:10] <Ms2ger> bz is adding something like that for the new DOM bindings
# [13:10] <AryehGregor> You could just make a templated class whose data member is one pointer, with operation* and operation-> defined on it, where you initialize it from a pointer and it MOZ_ASSERTs if the pointer is null.
# [13:10] <AryehGregor> Ooh, I want to know details.
# [13:10] <AryehGregor> And especially, whether we can use it in other code.
# [13:11] <AryehGregor> (although this kind of thing is a pain to adopt because you have to change all callers, and probably all callers of callers going back forever)
# [13:11] <Ms2ger> I tend to just assert at the start of the method
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> (Don't think bz's thing is in bugzilla already)
# [13:12] <AryehGregor> You mean MOZ_ASSERT or NS_ASSERTION?
# [13:13] <AryehGregor> It's not really a guarantee, either way.
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# [13:14] <Ms2ger> You can make it part of the contract
# [13:14] <AryehGregor> A contract which isn't automatically enforced, so . . .
# [13:15] <Ms2ger> Well, sure
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# [13:27] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: its seems like your "no op smart ptr" would automatically enforce non-nullness either so I'm not really clear what we'd gain by asserting non-nullness instead of just crashing
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# [13:28] <AryehGregor> tbsaunde, because we'd know that the only place we have to worry about it is where you create one of these pointers, which should be relatively rare. As opposed to every function that takes a pointer and expects it to be non-null. It means fewer possible places where you have to worry about crashes.
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# [13:28] <AryehGregor> If we use an infallible allocator, then most things can be guaranteed non-null.
# [13:28] <AryehGregor> No need to repeat the check in every single function.
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# [13:29] <AryehGregor> Or, better yet, to forget it in some functions.
# [13:29] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: if you require callers to pass non-null pointers then you don't need to check
# [13:30] <AryehGregor> If you either automatically enforce that the pointer is non-null, or actually trust your callers, yes.
# [13:30] * AryehGregor doesn't trust his callers, is working with editor code :)
# [13:30] <tbsaunde> well, trust them, or can fix them if they are broken
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# [13:31] <AryehGregor> I'm not as trusting as you. :)
# [13:31] <tbsaunde> so, trust them and expect things will break?
# [13:31] <merike> no wonder I can't build anything when things like "echo "application"| sed 's/[-_a-zA-Z0-9]//g'" output "t", but wth?
# [13:32] <AryehGregor> I tend to have trouble getting my patches reviewed if they assume things will break. :(
# [13:32] <tbsaunde> I guess there's a little clarity advantage of distinguishing ptr from ptr option, but I sort of think that's out wayed by writing RealPtr<foo> instead of foo* all over the place
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# [13:34] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: I guess you can manually check the callers ahead of time then, but that sort of sucks
# [13:35] <tbsaunde> also, isn't this why we have tests? :)
# [13:36] <AryehGregor> Ehsan doesn't let me randomly change behavior and say that tests should catch any regressions. :/
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# [13:36] <tbsaunde> :/
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# [13:41] <Ms2ger> Silly ehsan
# [13:41] <Ms2ger> Maybe he knows that there are no editor/ tests :)
# [13:42] <AryehGregor> That's not true!
# [13:42] <AryehGregor> We have richtext2!
# [13:42] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [13:42] <AryehGregor> And yeah, that's about it.
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# [13:42] <AryehGregor> It's really convenient. I can run all editor/ tests locally in a few minutes.
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# [14:33] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, it's not possible for an element's .nodeName to start with "#", is it?
# [14:33] <AryehGregor> It doesn't seem like either parser or script can ever create one.
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# [14:33] <AryehGregor> So .nodeType is reliably implied by .nodeName, is my point.
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# [14:34] <Ms2ger> I would believe that, but I'm not certain
# [14:34] <AryehGregor> Oh, no, DocumentType and ProcessingInstruction can also have arbitrary identifiers, right?
# [14:35] <AryehGregor> Yeah, so using tags is broken unless you verify that nothing is a doctype or PI.
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> Checking nodeType seems more readable anyway
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# [14:43] <AryehGregor> This relates to editor code that uses tags as a proxy for element types and supports "#text" and such as an afterthought.
# [14:44] <AryehGregor> Like CanContainTag(aNode, NS_LITERAL_STRING("div")) or whatever.
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> Ah, yes
# [14:46] <Ms2ger> Horrible, horrible code :)
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# [14:47] <Ms2ger> // XXX: ERROR_HANDLING
# [14:47] <Ms2ger> That applies to most editor code
# [14:48] <AryehGregor> "Most" is generous.
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# [18:52] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: yeah, sucky
# [18:52] <Ms2ger> Yeah, editor
# [18:52] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: hopefully AryehGregor can remove them all
# [18:53] <Ms2ger> He's well on his way
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# [19:05] <marco> to show doorhanger notifications (like that of geolocation), should I use PopupNotifications?
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# [19:11] <marco> they are synonymous :)
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# [22:18] <Ms2ger> ttaubert, seems like bug 593064 has become rather more frequent since your merge at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=0f8ea3826bf7
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# [22:29] <RyanVM> getting ready to attempt to merge m-c to m-i and then m-i to m-c
# [22:30] <decoder> \o/
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# [22:31] <RyanVM> ...never done this before
# [22:31] <RyanVM> (what could possibly go wrong)
# [22:32] <zzzzz> The tree 'implodes' ?
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# [22:36] <Ms2ger> Dunno, permaorange Moths and Xs on Windows all over m-c?
# [22:37] <RyanVM> that's different from the status quo how? :P
# [22:37] <Ms2ger> Hush :)
# [22:37] <RyanVM> (at least someone's looking at the X permaorange)
# [22:38] <RyanVM> Moth seems to be flying under the radar
# [22:38] <Ms2ger> CC ttaubert
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# [22:44] <RyanVM> ok, so far so good
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# [22:46] <RyanVM> OK, the m-c to m-i merge went ok
# [22:46] <RyanVM> but when I cd ../mozilla-central, hg pull mozilla-inbound, and hg merge, I get the following:
# [22:46] <RyanVM> abort: branch 'default' has one head - please merge with an explicit rev
# [22:47] <Ms2ger> Makes sense
# [22:47] <Ms2ger> Though...
# [22:47] <RyanVM> oh, so I need to specify the inbound rev to merge
# [22:47] <RyanVM> that makes sense
# [22:47] <RyanVM> which would be 7ec73828b931, right?
# [22:48] <RyanVM> or is it my merge changeset?
# [22:48] <Ms2ger> You don't
# [22:48] <Ms2ger> All of m-c is in m-i
# [22:48] <Ms2ger> So if you pull m-i to m-c, you don't add a head
# [22:48] <Ms2ger> So no merge is necessary
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# [22:49] <RyanVM> so just an hg commit?
# [22:49] <zwol> not even, i think
# [22:49] <Ms2ger> No
# [22:49] <RyanVM> just a push?
# [22:49] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [22:49] <zwol> as long as nothing has landed on -central since you merged it to -inbound
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# [22:50] <Ms2ger> YOU BROKE IT ALL
# [22:50] <Ms2ger> ;)
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# [22:50] <RyanVM> heh
# [22:51] <RyanVM> looks like it worked
# [22:51] <Ms2ger> Now you get to mark 70 bugs :)
# [22:51] <RyanVM> of course, now I just volunteered myself to close all those bugs too
# [22:51] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [22:51] <Ms2ger> Help out this poor guy or go to bed...
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# [22:52] <RyanVM> :)
# [22:52] <RyanVM> only 4:45 here
# [22:52] <Ms2ger> Sounds like Ohio
# [22:53] <RyanVM> close
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# [22:54] <RyanVM> PA
# [22:54] <Ms2ger> Ah, ted-state
# [22:55] <RyanVM> bought 90 minutes from ted
# [22:55] <RyanVM> about*
# [22:56] <RyanVM> philly suburbs
# [22:56] * jtcranmer kicks self
# [22:56] <jtcranmer> I almost said Ohio was central time
# [22:57] <jtcranmer> considering that I'm all of 50-ish miles west of the timezone border, that's really stupid of me
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# [23:02] <RyanVM> ugh...so tedious...
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# [23:05] <kaie> am I allowed to create my own branches in hg?
# [23:06] <RyanVM> .....and of course, there's a s-s bug in the list
# [23:06] <Ms2ger> Calling edmorley
# [23:06] <RyanVM> peterv: ping
# [23:06] <edmorley> Ms2ger: ping
# [23:06] <edmorley> pong even
# [23:07] <Ms2ger> > Ryan
# [23:07] <Ms2ger> VM
# [23:07] <edmorley> RyanVM: /msg it to me
# [23:07] <Ms2ger> Ryan, you've got a rather annoying nick, you know ;)
# [23:07] <edmorley> hehe
# [23:07] <RyanVM> so sorry for having a bear of a last name
# [23:08] <edmorley> RyanVM: done :-)
# [23:08] <RyanVM> thanks
# [23:08] <@smaug> kaie: I'd create a separate repository
# [23:08] <Ms2ger> edmorley++
# [23:08] <kaie> smaug, outside of mozilla.org ?
# [23:09] <Ms2ger> (Putting this in for overtime? :))
# [23:09] <@smaug> kaie: hg.mozilla.org/users
# [23:09] <edmorley> Ms2ger: there's no such thing... :-)
# [23:10] <Ms2ger> Work hours: 9 to 5 and 5 to 9? :)
# [23:10] <@smaug> kaie: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_Mercurial_User_Repositories
# [23:10] <kaie> smaug, thanks. reading https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_Mercurial_User_Repositories
# [23:10] <kaie> :)
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