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# [00:04] <jesup> ekr: options are: a) move the part that needs to access transport into libxul, and call into gkmedia (various ugly techniques are possible to allow calls back), b) upgrade builders to x64 to get an extra GB for the linker and move a bunch more back (it'd be interesting to try a no-gkmedia build with Winx64 and see the high water mark), c) turn off PGO (and watch perf scores take a hit) d)...
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# [00:04] <jesup> ...magic ;-) Any more?
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# [00:05] <jlebar> smaug, ping?
# [00:05] <@smaug> jlebar: pong
# [00:05] <jlebar> smaug, Do I have to do something to get a message manager on an in-process frameloader?
# [00:05] <jlebar> smaug, atm, frameLoader.messageManager is null.
# [00:06] <@smaug> jlebar: it should be non-null for the frameloader which contains the top most content page
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# [00:07] <jlebar> smaug, Ah, but I want a mm for mozbrowser.
# [00:07] <jlebar> smaug, Which is not the topmost content page.
# [00:07] <@smaug> jlebar: then you need something new
# [00:07] <jlebar> So it's working as expected, which isn't as I want.
# [00:08] <@smaug> I wonder how that could work...
# [00:08] <@smaug> there is the tree of message managers
# [00:08] <@smaug> in chrome
# [00:08] <@smaug> global->window-level->tab-level
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# [00:09] <@smaug> I guess the mm in content frameloader shouldn't be added to the mm tree
# [00:10] <jlebar> smaug, Yes, I think so.
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# [00:11] <khuey> bholley: I'm here now
# [00:11] <bholley> khuey: sent mail
# [00:11] <khuey> bholley: @mozilla.com?
# [00:11] <bholley> khuey: yeah
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# [00:12] <khuey> bholley: I think we should land it
# [00:12] <khuey> bholley: you can take that as a=me if you like
# [00:12] <bholley> khuey: ok, cool. Thanks :-)
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# [00:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d3a3b430e951 - Chris Peterson - Bug 742267 - Restore AwesomeBar's cursor position when gaining input focus. r=blassey a=android-only
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# [00:15] <espindola> rail: note bug 750232 first
# [00:15] <espindola> but I am all for an upgrade!
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# [00:16] <espindola> ah, I see you checked 750232 in
# [00:16] <espindola> thanks!
# [00:16] <rail> espindola: that's landed already ;)
# [00:16] <@smaug> josh: I assume you didn't actually test that patch ;)
# [00:16] <hub> I have a BSD bustage to land
# [00:16] <hub> how do I do that ?
# [00:16] <hub> (it is a one-char patch)
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# [00:17] <rail> espindola: so, I'll prep a rpm with Name: clang-3.0 then. any objections?
# [00:17] <espindola> rail: can I review a rpm patch? If not I can write one.
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# [00:18] <espindola> rail: I though we agreed to keep the revision on the name
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# [00:18] <espindola> fast upgrades are not a problem now
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# [00:18] <espindola> but when clang is live (even if only for asan), we need to do a two stage upgrade
# [00:18] <rail> espindola: it's some kind of pain, you need to remove the previous one explicitly... I'm going to prep a patch, sure, just wanted to get some feedback
# [00:18] <espindola> like we do with gcc
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# [00:19] <espindola> rail: do you have an idea on another way we could do this?
# [00:19] <espindola> we do need an window of time where the bots have both versions
# [00:19] <rail> no really :/
# [00:19] <rail> *not
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# [00:20] <espindola> rail: so, do you want me to do the patches?
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# [00:20] <rail> espindola: if you don't mind
# [00:21] <espindola> sure. I will upload a patch and start a build
# [00:21] <rail> \o/
# [00:21] <espindola> nothing changed on the dmg side, so it should be good
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# [00:21] <rail> espindola: thanks a lot, to many things are going on with this colo move....
# [00:21] <rail> yeah
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# [00:21] <espindola> yes, clang upgrades I don't mind doing out of work hours
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# [00:22] <rillian> hub: you can ask for approval if it's BSD-only and doesn't affect code in the windows build
# [00:23] <Mossop> peterv: Can we request aurora approval for the patch in bug 741267? I'd ask in the bug directly but I have no understandings of the risks there
# [00:23] <rillian> otherwise, wait for the tree to reopen
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# [00:38] <khuey> !seen ehsan
# [00:38] <firebot> ehsan was last seen 1 hour, 33 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying 'decoder: hey' in #developers.
# [00:38] <khuey> that's not a very good way to leave
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# [00:38] <espindola> rail: I started a 64 bit linux build. I check in the patches, can you start building the dmg?
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# [00:39] <espindola> that way we can get the checks in parallel (if you don't mind)
# [00:39] <rail> espindola: sure
# [00:39] <espindola> thanks
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# [00:40] <philor> nice of Linux PGO to keep breaking, trying to keep Win PGO from getting all the hate
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# [00:44] <espindola> :-)
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# [00:44] <espindola> rail: checked in, thanks
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# [00:45] <Bas> taras: Pff, I say this hacked version looks pretty good, let's ship it.
# [00:45] <rail> thanks, I started the build
# [00:45] <Bas> :)
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# [00:48] <taras> Bas: bugzilla a screenshot
# [00:48] <taras> i was always a fan of 2d interfaces on 2d displays
# [00:51] * jhammel prefers 4d interfaces on 1d displays
# [00:51] <Bas> taras: Hehe, it's terribly improved performance too, by far the largest portion of time is now spent inside NtUserWaitMessage (that's surprising :P)
# [00:51] <khuey> jhammel: 0d displays are where it's at
# [00:51] <taras> Bas: you are killing me with anticipation
# [00:51] <Bas> taras: I'll package it and put it up on the bug.
# [00:51] <taras> i'm gonna release this as a kickstarter
# [00:52] <taras> "make firefox fast"
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# [00:52] <taras> with 'slow path avoidance' technology
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# [00:53] <bent> what did Bas fix?
# [00:53] <Bas> taras: See the bug for a screenshot :)
# [00:53] <jhammel> khuey: you should make a tetris 0d to compete with http://www.kongregate.com/games/tetris1d/tetris-1d
# [00:53] <Bas> bent: Not fix, just hacked out some very important slow paths for browser chrome drawing.
# [00:53] <taras> bent: he fixed d2d lag on intel(i hope)
# [00:54] <bent> neat
# [00:54] <bent> OMG
# [00:54] <taras> bent: that actually looks better
# [00:54] <bent> that's my machine
# [00:54] <mattwoodrow> Bas: What bug number?
# [00:54] <bent> <3
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# [00:54] <taras> er
# [00:54] <taras> Bas: that actually looks better
# [00:54] <Bas> mattwoodrow: See bug 750871
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# [00:55] <bent> oh, you just removed the gradient?
# [00:55] <Bas> bent: I removed -all- gradients from anywhere (gradients are replaced with solid color fills of the last stop color)
# [00:55] <bent> ok
# [00:56] <Bas> And any border is replaced by a rectangle in the color of the top border and the width of the top border.
# [00:56] <taras> Bas: wasn't there some svg translucency to avoid too?
# [00:56] <taras> bent: and borders are horribly slow with gfx accel
# [00:56] <Bas> taras: Haven't even cared for that so far.
# [00:56] <bent> ux people are going to love you taras
# [00:56] <Bas> I knocked so much off with this I didn't bother at this point.
# [00:56] <taras> hahaha
# [00:56] <taras> i think snappy should be us taking out slow features
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# [00:57] <Bas> taras: Sadly people on the web will still use stupid gradients and borders :p
# [00:57] <taras> setTimeout tab bug would be easy then...take out drag'n'drop
# [00:57] <khuey> I've got a few to put on the list
# [00:57] <taras> khuey: we should a pref slowstuff.disable:true
# [00:58] <mattwoodrow> Anyone know where I can get the tp5 page set from?
# [00:59] <dao> taras: we could just as well disable d2d
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# [00:59] <taras> indeed
# [01:00] <Bas> dao: Then everyone would kick our asses at pretty much all benchmarks :p
# [01:00] <bent> did i hear a rumor that the next d2d version was going to fix a bunch of our slowness?
# [01:00] <taras> bent: they always say that
# [01:00] <bent> 2 vs. 2.1 or somesuch?
# [01:00] <Bas> 1 vs 1.1
# [01:00] <bent> ah
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# [01:00] <bent> taras, like FF14!
# [01:00] <Bas> taras: Well, it offers a bunch of features we -really- need. And we do ugly hax0r stuff to support now.
# [01:00] <taras> bent: ff13 was actually awesome
# [01:00] <dao> Bas: can we disable it for chrome?
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# [01:00] <taras> i'm sad it's not our LTS
# [01:01] <Bas> dao: Not in our current architecture. But we just need to fix these slow cases. The web will still use them.
# [01:01] <taras> dao: we do need it to scroll well, etc
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# [01:16] <Bas> taras: Test build was uploaded :)
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# [01:17] <taras> Bas: so can we land this as a pref on ux branch?
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# [01:17] <Bas> taras: It's hard, some of the stuff lives inside cairo where we can't access prefs :(
# [01:17] <Bas> taras: There's some possibilities though
# [01:17] <taras> :(
# [01:17] <Bas> I could try and do it from gfxPattern.
# [01:17] <taras> Bas: it's no big deal
# [01:17] <Bas> But you should try and see if it makes a difference :)
# [01:17] <taras> ya
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# [01:23] <bent> taras, speaking of laggy tab switching... bug 750953
# [01:24] <Bas> taras: As far as I can tell on my AMD C-50, with this build there's no real difference between D2D and GDI on power saving.
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# [01:27] <Bas> taras: Interestingly both D2D and GDI respond worde to tab switching plain firefox though, in my build. Which could be due to other differences on trunk or PGO.
# [01:29] <Bas> Err, respond worse to tab switching than in plain firefox
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# [01:33] <ekr> ISTR that there is a list of acceptable STL constructs somewhere. Can someone shoot me a pointer?
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# [01:33] <Bas> ekr: I don't know of a list, and the story is complicated.
# [01:33] <Bas> Mac will not allow a bunch of STL stuff to be drawn into cocoa stuff.
# [01:34] <Bas> But inside a CPP file most common constructs should be fine.
# [01:35] <taras> Bas: there is a huuuuge perf diff
# [01:35] <taras> on the crap netbook
# [01:35] <taras> like night and day
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# [01:36] <Bas> taras: Between D2D and GDI? Or this build and normal firefox?
# [01:36] <taras> bent: man, fuel
# [01:36] <taras> pcwalton: found it nuking his shutdown perf yesterday
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# [01:37] <taras> by a pointless Array.shift
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# [01:37] <taras> Bas: comparing d2d to d2d
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# [01:37] <bent> taras, that's bad, but the things that fuel puts into the array grow exponentially in some cases
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# [01:37] <bent> it's crazy
# [01:38] <taras> bent: :(
# [01:38] <Bas> taras: So it's better in the test build I hope?
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# [01:39] <taras> Bas: ya
# [01:39] <taras> bent: can you try his build
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# [01:40] <espindola> rail: we had a package name clang-3.0?
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# [01:40] <rail> yeah, an old one
# [01:40] <Bas> taras: Excellent, it appears my gutt feeling of most of the problem, that was more or less confirmed by profiling, is correct then. A lot of this is solvable problems I believe.,
# [01:41] <espindola> rail: we can delete it know if you want
# [01:41] <espindola> or I can update the patch and remove both at once
# [01:41] <espindola> up to you
# [01:41] <Bas> I mean, obviously doing things right is going to more expensive than this, but not night-and-day more.
# [01:41] <bent> taras, where?
# [01:41] <espindola> s/know/now/
# [01:41] <bent> and, gladly
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# [01:41] <rail> I'm ok with removing with patch#2
# [01:41] <espindola> ok
# [01:41] <espindola> I will update it
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# [01:43] <taras> bent: 750871
# [01:44] <espindola> rail: anything else to remove on the mac?
# [01:45] <rail> espindola: I don't think so, last time I checked the builders were ok
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# [01:54] <espindola> rail_away: btw, the disk space problem we had last time, what was it
# [01:54] <espindola> L
# [01:54] <espindola> ?
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# [02:03] <Bas> bent: did you happen to try yet?
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# [02:04] <bent> Bas, just downloaded, one sec
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# [02:05] <Bas> Thanks!
# [02:05] <darktrojan> does anyone know how to set hg's remotecmd on a per-host basis?
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# [02:11] <Bas> bent: Just in case you didn't know, after enabling HWA you need to restart to make sure it works. (Might want to double-check in about:support)
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# [02:15] <bent> Bas, it does feel a little better, but it's not substantial, I don't think :(
# [02:16] <bent> though, I've messed with my nvidia settings in the past
# [02:16] <bent> so
# [02:16] <bent> one sec
# [02:16] <Bas> bent: Heh, well, I wasn't expecting it to be a magic bullet.
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# [02:18] <bent> Bas, i'm looking for time from clicking a tab to actually having page switch? or closing tab animaton?
# [02:18] <Bas> bent: Clicking a tab to page switch.
# [02:19] <bent> ok
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# [02:19] <Bas> bent: It seems to be ok on my super-slow C-50. So if you have better hardware than that and are running into issues, it's some obscure timing issue.
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# [02:24] <bent> bas, with nvidia settings reset to default it feels a bit faster
# [02:24] <bent> your build, i mean
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# [02:25] <Bas> bent: Good :)
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# [02:26] <bent> on the firefox menu
# [02:26] <RyanVM> hmm...my push to Try seems to be getting hung up on "searching for changes"
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# [02:28] <@roc> bent: bug 610713?
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# [02:30] <bent> roc, oh, no, this is with Bas' build for border fixes
# [02:30] <Bas> bent: I'm sure, so much hackery :p
# [02:30] <Bas> What hardware is this.
# [02:30] <Bas> It doesn't fix anything :p
# [02:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/76299fb5d499 - Mark Finkle - Bug 750243 - Make sure target.currentURI is not null before saving an image r=wesj a=android-only
# [02:30] <bent> this is NVIDIA Quadro 2000M
# [02:31] <Bas> bent: Interesting.
# [02:31] <Bas> Thanks for looking!
# [02:31] <bent> sure thing
# [02:32] <Bas> These things really just reduce CPU load, not GPU load.
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# [02:32] <Bas> So I'm not surprised it won't fix some issues.
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# [02:34] <@bz> is it expected that we no longer show an icon for app tabs?
# [02:34] * @bz just has this phantom app tab he can switch to with keyboard but not in any other way
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# [02:51] <taras> bent: so clicking on a tab is a bad benchmark atm
# [02:51] <taras> cos of the stupid settimeout
# [02:52] <taras> ctrl+tab
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# [03:07] <taras> Bas: man. i can finally use firefox while unplugged without hating life
# [03:07] <taras> on my core-i7
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# [03:13] <cjones> for a few minutes, anyway
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# [03:15] <mbrubeck> I have to say, I almost never see tab-switching jank
# [03:15] <mbrubeck> I saw some bad jank while closing a tab in Nightly recently and almost filed a bug, but I couldn't reproduce it.
# [03:16] <heycam> I constantly see it. I have the pref set that makes the tab bar scrolling thing never appear, and for my tabs to have no minimum width. I can have upwards of 30, 40 tabs open in a window, and switching between them is slooow.
# [03:16] <mbrubeck> (A couple years ago it was a lot worse, and tab-switching jank was one of the main reasons I switched to chrome at the time.)
# [03:16] <zzzzz> I only see tab-switch jank when another background tab is loading/updating like one of the major news sites, MSNBC/CNN etc
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# [03:26] <zzzzz> I know nothing about coding but how can bug 748343 add to count in linker size: linker max vsize: 2992640000
# [03:27] <zzzzz> Previous PGO build was: ker max vsize: 2992455680
# [03:27] <philor> PGO is non-deterministic, even when you feed it perfectly, and we probably don't
# [03:27] <zzzzz> oh, OK
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# [03:28] <zzzzz> so we still don't have enough margin to reopen the tree on m-i
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# [03:51] <heycam> in gdb, I want to do "break blah if aContent->Tag() == nsGkAtoms::text" but it complains that it doesn't know about nsGkAtoms. anyone know how I can do this?
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# [03:52] <@bz> is it expected that app tabs no longer have an icon on the tabbar?
# [03:52] <philor> mine do
# [03:52] <darktrojan> seems odd
# [03:54] <@bz> mine most certainly is not appearing...
# [03:55] <philor> maybe the site changed to a transparent 1x1 favicon
# [03:55] <@bz> If I pin it as an app tab in a new window, it works
# [03:55] <@bz> no, site's favicon is just fine
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# [03:55] <@bz> but the sessionrestored window with the app tab is not showing any indicator for it....
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# [03:58] <@bz> hrm
# [03:58] <@bz> yeah, I have no idea what's going on here
# [03:58] <@bz> this is ... slightly annoying
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# [04:01] <darktrojan> is there space for an icon but no icon, or just a really narrow tab?
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# [04:11] <@bz> darktrojan: there is no tab
# [04:11] <@bz> darktrojan: want a screenshot
# [04:11] <@bz> darktrojan: ?
# [04:11] <darktrojan> if you like
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# [04:13] <darktrojan> oh damn, pushed to try without -n
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# [04:20] <@bz> darktrojan: <shrug>. It's extra work for me, so if you don't want it all that much.... ;)
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# [04:21] <darktrojan> bz, I was just throwing some ideas out there
# [04:22] <heycam> bz, why is it that the aParentFrame passed to AddFrameConstructionItemsInternal is null when building inline children?
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# [04:29] <heycam> bz, my <tspan> elements will be constructed as children of a block frame as part of SVG-text-using-CSS-text-frames, and in FindSVGData there is a check for valid parent frames looking at aParentFrame, but that obviously doesn't work when null is being passed in
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# [04:36] <heycam> bz, it seems like I could just pass in aParentFrame to BuildInlineChildItems, and change the checks for !aParentFrame in AddFrameConstructionItemsInternal (and elsewhere?) to something else that would mean "we're constructing inlines" -- would there be anything wrong with that?
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# [04:48] <nemo> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2822667&cid=39859937
# [04:48] <nemo> oops
# [04:48] <nemo> sorry. wrong channel
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# [05:03] <gavin> khuey: fwiw the parts of bug 748389 I wanted you to review are the non-mac build-y things
# [05:04] <gavin> and uh I guess maybe the python I used
# [05:04] <gavin> but I guess ted's good for that too
# [05:04] <gavin> I'm not having good review request luck on that bug :)
# [05:05] <khuey> heh
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# [05:27] <romaxa> bz: ping
# [05:28] <@bz> ack
# [05:28] <romaxa> bz: do you have time to look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=619147&action=edit, IIUC you are embedding peer..
# [05:30] <@bz> um
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# [05:31] <@bz> I am, but not for this part of embedding!
# [05:31] <romaxa> bz: first part?
# [05:32] <romaxa> bz: you mean MozAppEmbedHelper.cpp/h part?
# [05:32] <@bz> yes
# [05:32] <@bz> the "new apis" part
# [05:32] <@bz> if you can get Benjamin to sign of on the API, I can probably review the details
# [05:33] <@bz> but he really needs to sign off on the API
# [05:33] <romaxa> bz: ok, that patch has empty implementation, and real implementation is coming from second patch
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# [05:34] <romaxa> bz: but that I guess mostly roc,cjones responsibility
# [05:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f1a9dac39546 - Kyle Huey - Sync webidl-parser to m-c to pick up Bug 742141. r=me a=me
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# [05:35] <romaxa> bz: so from bs or you I need sign for XRE_GetEmbedHelper api exposure
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# [05:36] <@bz> romaxa: yeah, I'm not comfortable doing that myself
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# [05:37] <romaxa> bz: ok added you to check that, so you can do it together ;)
# [05:39] <@bz> ok
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# [05:44] <philor> embedding. bwahahahahaha
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# [05:46] <khuey> bz: anything I can take off your shoulders?
# [05:46] <@bz> khuey: review-wise?
# [05:46] <@bz> khuey: can you review the thing romaxa just asked me for review on?
# [05:46] <@bz> khuey: other than that the main things I think are serializer stuff and layout+invalidation, which you probably don't want
# [05:47] <khuey> bz: modulo the same stuff about bs needing to sign off on the API, probably
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# [05:47] <@bz> right
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# [05:50] <philor> I wonder whether I can fix our 10.7 permaorange the one way I fix things, with the disable hammer
# [05:50] <@bz> disabling 10.7 builds? worksforme
# [05:50] <philor> probably not, most of it is plugin leaks, I'd have to disable every test that touches plugins
# [05:50] <kinetik> disable all the things
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# [05:50] <philor> heh, we do all our Mac building on 10.7, that might be a little extreme
# [05:51] <philor> josh: I don't suppose you have enough copious free time to look at whether we're doing something really stupid in plugin tests on 10.7, like not setting the pref that says we're OOP or something
# [05:51] <Unfocused> meh, it's a niche OS anyway
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# [05:54] <KWierso> heh, the "features" section on the ubuntu 12.04 banner has a picture of a woman with an ipod...
# [05:55] <philor> "Features: * We don't require you to be a zealot"
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# [05:55] <philor> sweet, only 8 of the 11 permaorange suites are clearly because of plugins
# [05:56] <philor> the rest being crashreporter, now I remember why I always give up on this project
# [05:56] <luke> can i push a patch that just touches libmozjs?
# [05:57] <luke> maybe... khuey knows?
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# [05:58] <khuey> luke: yes
# [05:58] <luke> khuey: a=khuey?
# [05:58] <aja> but only if it moves in pieces from libxul ;/
# [05:58] <luke> hehe. that's easy in our build system ;-)
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# [06:00] <luke> great, thx
# [06:00] <philor> except of course that we don't do SpiderMonkey builds on m-c
# [06:01] <philor> or V8, but I guess awfy takes care of that
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# [06:46] <KWierso> we have to go back to the future!
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# [06:54] <jlebar|mac> It's like hearing audio compression artifacts.
# [06:54] <@bz> awesome
# [06:54] <jlebar|mac> Ignorance is bliss.
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# [06:55] * @bz wonders how much sense it makes to take a trip BOS -> toronto July 10-13 and another one July 15-21
# [06:55] <@bz> jlebar|mac: lol
# [06:55] <hub> bz: just stay two extra days in Toronto :-)
# [06:55] <hub> bz: it is nice and sunny in July
# [06:55] <@bz> hub: that's the current thinking, yes
# [06:56] <@bz> hub: show up at the office and work Friday....
# [06:56] <@bz> hub: do touristy stuff on Sat...
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# [06:58] <hub> I worry that I might still be stuck in Toronto in July, at that pace
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# [06:59] <@bz> hmm?
# [06:59] <@bz> at which pace?
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# [07:01] <gavin> bz: have you ever flown porter?
# [07:01] <MarcoZ> Hi all! Are tests also affected by the approved patches policy on m-c? I need to actually fix a copy & paste error I made that will properly disable a test on Mac, but reenable it on Win and Linux.
# [07:02] <gavin> BOS->YTZ on porter is a great way to make a quick trip :)
# [07:02] <gavin> (avoid all the YYZ hassles)
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# [07:02] <darktrojan> khuey, ^
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# [07:03] <khuey> MarcoZ: test only changes are fine
# [07:03] <gavin> MarcoZ: on its own it's fine, but getting to/from it is kind of a pain compared to YTZ
# [07:03] <@bz> gavin: no
# [07:03] <MarcoZ> khuey: Thanks!
# [07:03] <jlebar|mac> If I look cute and ask nicely, can I enumerate the keys of a weakmap from chrome JS?
# [07:03] * @bz looks up YTZ
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# [07:04] <@bz> gavin: hmm
# [07:05] <gavin> I flew YTZ<->YOW on Porter quite a bit when I lived in Toronto
# [07:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5278ae9d6b1a - Marco Zehe - Proper fix for disabling tests for bug 746970, copy and paste error, a=test-only
# [07:05] <khuey> jlebar|mac: not today
# [07:05] <gavin> though granted YTZ has gotten busier and a little less relaxing
# [07:05] <@bz> gavin: interesting
# [07:06] <@bz> gavin: a bit more expensive than flying to YYZ
# [07:06] <@bz> gavin: but you say it's simpler on the Toronto end?
# [07:06] <khuey> jlebar|mac: actually, I think you can
# [07:06] * @bz has no idea where any of this stuff is located
# [07:06] <gavin> bz: island is a ferry ride basically right into downtown
# [07:06] <jlebar|mac> khuey: orly?
# [07:06] <khuey> jlebar|mac: Components.utils.nondeterminiticGetWeakMapKeys
# [07:06] <jlebar|mac> oh yay
# [07:06] <jlebar|mac> khuey++
# [07:06] <@bz> gavin: ah, nice
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# [07:07] <@bz> khuey: with some more 's' in there, right?
# [07:07] <gavin> bz: rather than the 15mi drive from pearson
# [07:07] <@bz> khuey: and btw... "nice name"
# [07:07] <gavin> (with no real transit option)
# [07:07] <khuey> bz: yes to both
# [07:07] <@bz> gavin: right
# [07:07] <khuey> 290 * This should only be used to write tests of the interaction of
# [07:07] <khuey> 291 * the GC and CC with weak maps.
# [07:07] <@bz> awesome
# [07:07] <jlebar|mac> khuey: Yeah yeah.
# [07:08] <@bz> seems like enumerating a weakmap would be a generally desirable thing
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# [07:08] <khuey> yeah
# [07:08] <jlebar|mac> My options are enumerate a weakmap or write something which is not quite as good and enumerate that.
# [07:08] <khuey> seems like an easy choice
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# [07:10] <@bz> khuey: hey, you weren't just reading FUEL code, unlike jlebar
# [07:10] <@bz> khuey: be grateful
# [07:10] <khuey> heh
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# [07:11] <bent> we should really put FUEL up on MDC
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# [07:11] <bent> as an example of what *not* to do
# [07:11] <@bz> well
# [07:12] <@bz> but the api is so nice for the consumers!
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# [07:12] <@bz> too bad that the API is impossible to implement without leaking.
# [07:12] <@bz> well, maybe that's not true
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# [07:13] <bent> it's certainly not simple
# [07:13] <@bz> if we had weak event listeners
# [07:13] <@bz> we could do it
# [07:13] <bent> well...
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# [07:13] <bent> not really though, right?
# [07:13] <@bz> why not?
# [07:13] <bent> Window objects have that _watch function
# [07:13] <@bz> what does that do?
# [07:13] <bent> that consumers can access
# [07:14] <bent> it's the addEventListener
# [07:14] <@bz> ok
# [07:14] <bent> and if they call that
# [07:14] <hub> gavin: if only YYZ was like YVR.
# [07:14] <bent> then you'd want a string ref
# [07:14] <bent> er
# [07:14] <bent> strong
# [07:14] <@bz> then the window needs to add itself as a strong event listener
# [07:14] <hub> gavin: the Skytrain is the most awesone thing the Owelympics brought
# [07:14] <bent> i guess you could yeah
# [07:14] <@bz> and if its last listener is removed, remove itself as strong listener and readd as weak listener
# [07:14] <bent> just more complicated
# [07:14] <@bz> painful
# [07:14] <@bz> but doable
# [07:14] <hub> (and probably the only, I mean the whole line)
# [07:14] <bent> yep
# [07:15] <@bz> easier than making canvas contexts work in workers, I bet
# [07:15] * @bz still has no idea how to do that
# [07:15] <bent> sigh
# [07:15] <@bz> I sent that mail
# [07:15] <@bz> Peter should be around tomorrow
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# [07:16] <@bz> I think
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# [07:16] <Yoric> gavin: ping
# [07:16] <bent> yeah
# [07:16] <bent> b2g folks really want e10s-IDB
# [07:16] <bent> like, yesterday
# [07:16] <@bz> heh
# [07:16] <bent> but that was going to be my experiment
# [07:16] <@bz> that's what you're doing, right?
# [07:16] <bent> for worker-ifying
# [07:17] <@bz> idb?
# [07:17] <@bz> oh
# [07:17] <@bz> hmm
# [07:17] <bent> well, i'm reviewing right now
# [07:17] <@bz> so e10s-idb != worker-idb?
# [07:17] <bent> i was thinking that i could do both at once
# [07:17] <bent> but the dealines are too soon
# [07:17] <bent> deadlines
# [07:18] <bent> don't want to be on the critical path for b2g and webgl+workers
# [07:18] <bent> especially when b2g deadline is so soon
# [07:18] <@bz> so
# [07:18] <@bz> webgl+workers has me and you and peter all on critical path
# [07:18] <@bz> no matter what
# [07:18] <@bz> short of really nasty crap like forking the impl
# [07:18] <bent> so maybe we need to let idb+e10s be split
# [07:18] <@bz> imo
# [07:18] <bent> from webgl+workers
# [07:19] <@bz> but you're not on critical path for code there
# [07:19] <@bz> just for design
# [07:19] <@bz> I hope
# [07:19] <@bz> I don't see webgl+workers until at least 6 weeks from now
# [07:19] <bent> gotta chat with everyone tomorrow... i was thinking khuey would do idb-e10s
# [07:19] <@bz> ok
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# [07:20] <@bz> but tomorrow!
# [07:20] <bent> but b2g wants faster action i think
# [07:20] <@bz> is maybe another day
# [07:20] <bent> yeah
# [07:20] <@bz> or maybe the same one
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# [07:20] <bent> same for you :-/
# [07:20] <bent> new for me!
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# [07:34] <Shadowized> lol
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# [07:37] <khuey> bent: yes
# [07:38] <khuey> see /topic
# [07:38] <bent> :-/
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# [07:43] <firebot> jdm was last seen 7 hours, 51 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying 'tests with prefixes get cleaned up when deprefixing happens' in #introduction.
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# [07:59] <AryehGregor> Could someone explain to me why the PGO problems mean the tree should be closed? If PGO builds on Windows don't build, why not just not release them, or release them without PGO? What's the gain in closing the trees?
# [08:00] <khuey> because we don't want to ship a 20% performance regression?
# [08:00] <Cork> AryehGregor: tests doesn't work, so you can't see if the builds regress
# [08:00] <AryehGregor> khuey, so don't ship it -- why close the tree?
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# [08:01] <AryehGregor> Cork, tbpl could build without PGO for dev purposes -- just don't release it in nightlies, no? Actually, doesn't try build only without PGO anyway?
# [08:01] <glob> if someone commits something which introduces a 5% performance regression, we'll have no way of knowing
# [08:01] <khuey> AryehGregor: because while the builds aren't working somebody could introduce a regression on them
# [08:02] <Cork> AryehGregor: sure, but you wouldn't know if the pgo builds regress from the checkin
# [08:02] <khuey> and then when we fix them we won't know what caused the regression
# [08:02] <AryehGregor> A regression that would only occur in PGO builds? If that does happen, you could always bisect it after the fact . . .
# [08:03] <AryehGregor> But okay, I'll just keep my patches in mq for now. Hopefully it won't be as long as the Fennec closure.
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# [08:04] <krit> mattwoodrow: ping
# [08:05] <glandium> anyone around has an Xcode < 4.3 install ?
# [08:05] <mattwoodrow> krit: hi
# [08:05] <krit> hi mattwoodrow
# [08:06] <krit> mattwoodrow: I was looking at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/thebes/gfxQuaternion.h
# [08:06] <krit> mattwoodrow: Do you know where you had the code from?
# [08:06] <smontagu> glandium: I have 3.2.6
# [08:06] <mattwoodrow> krit: The constructor is from a post to www-style, hang on, i'll find it
# [08:07] <glandium> smontagu: you have /Developer/Tools/Rez, right?
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# [08:07] <smontagu> glandium: yes
# [08:07] <mattwoodrow> krit: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Oct/0440.html
# [08:08] <glandium> smontagu: do you also have /usr/bin/Rez ?
# [08:08] <smontagu> glandium: /Developer/Tools/Rez is a symlink to /usr/bin/Rez
# [08:08] <glandium> smontagu: what about /Developer/Tools/SetFile|/usr/bin/SetFile ?
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# [08:08] <smontagu> same story
# [08:09] <glandium> smontagu: cool. thanks
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# [08:12] <krit> mattwoodrow: interesting post. But the code is not from the referenced document. Thanks for the link!
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# [08:16] <mattwoodrow> krit: Which code?
# [08:16] <mattwoodrow> the Slerp() and ToMatrix() parts I wrote myself
# [08:16] <krit> w=0.5*sqrt(MAX(1+row[0][0]+row[1][1]+row[2][2],0)); ...
# [08:17] <mattwoodrow> oh, i see what you mean
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# [08:17] <krit> mattwoodrow: It would be great if we can specify it. But I don't want to use code without knownig the source
# [08:18] <mattwoodrow> krit: You should ask Tim Terriberry about that, it's his post
# [08:18] <mattwoodrow> tterriberry@mozilla.com
# [08:18] <krit> mattwoodrow: the way we use quaternions on webkit is similar, but the source of the code is unknown as well
# [08:19] <krit> mattwoodrow: Thanks.
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# [08:31] <krit> mattwoodrow: Timothy B. Terriberry ?
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# [08:47] <philor> charming - the third or fourth round of tests on the tip of inbound, we start getting the same shutdown crash on both Linux32 and Linux64
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# [08:48] <philor> is someone, by any chance, touching the network?
# [08:48] <philor> with a plugin, no less
# [08:49] <philor> return of son of zombo.com
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# [08:51] <khuey> yay
# [08:51] <khuey> plane is landing
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# [08:54] <myk> besides khuey|away, who here can approve a patch for mozilla-central? i'm looking at the trivial fix for bug 750568
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# [09:02] <glandium> myk: it's not c++ code, it's fine. Although I don't know what formal a=? this would be
# [09:03] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:04] <glandium> myk: in https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules, there's a=mac-only, a=linux-only, etc. That could be a=js-only
# [09:04] <myk> glandium: yeah, there's nothing written down i can cite
# [09:04] <myk> glandium: makes sense to me, but i'd rather not be the one making up the rule ;-)
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# [09:06] <glandium> myk: there should be nightlies, but I'd expect the windows nightlies to fail building
# [09:06] <myk> glandium: seems like the failures have been intermittent so far and confined to inbound, no?
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# [09:08] <glandium> myk: i was under the impression this also happened on branches where inbound wasn't merged yet
# [09:09] <glandium> myk: anyways, I'd say go ahead with a=js-only
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# [09:09] <glandium> and I'll have edmorley add it, and a few other sample stuff (like a=chrome-only,a=npotb)
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# [09:15] <myk> glandium: ok, thanks, will do
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# [09:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b13bfc70bc44 - Myk Melez - bug 750568 - whitelist twitter and google identity providers in webapp runtime; r=myk, a=js-only
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# [09:26] <glazou> I thought you increased that 2 to 3 ?
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# [09:40] <NeilAway> yay, bugzilla quicksearch for fuel leak ;-)
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# [09:46] <Standard8> anyone know how the pending/running stuff works in tbpl?
# [09:47] <KWierso> fairy dust
# [09:47] <Standard8> heh, probably
# [09:49] <JonathanS> KWierso, how does that work?
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# [09:49] <KWierso> JonathanS: in a moment of rage, philor grinds fairies down into a fine powder, which he pours onto tbpl's server
# [09:50] <JonathanS> KWierso, something like this http://www.macbrosplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/maintenance.gif
# [09:51] <KWierso> I would assume so
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# [09:51] <edmorley> Standard8: in what way? :-)
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# [09:51] <JonathanS> oh, it was cat is doing maintenance on the servers.
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# [09:52] <edmorley> Standard8: I've only met the fairies once, so I may not know the answer admittedly
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# [09:54] <Standard8> except looks like buildapi is wrong, because try-comm-central builds shouldn't be listed under try
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# [10:14] <thelodger> Hey, is there a link to anywhere that folks were discussing how to deal with the upcoming lack for Flash for Firefox on Linux?
# [10:15] <darktrojan> not that I know of, but AIUI there will be no 'lack' of flash for 5 years
# [10:15] <darktrojan> just no new versions
# [10:16] <Cork> thelodger: you've read the discusion in bug 729481 ?
# [10:16] <thelodger> darktrojan: ah, right so! I thought it was only Chrome that would be getting security updates for it
# [10:16] <thelodger> Cork: nope, will take a look now though =)
# [10:16] <darktrojan> that's incorrect
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# [10:16] <darktrojan> as far as I know
# [10:17] <Cork> thelodger: 11.2 will get updates, but no new features
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# [10:17] <Cork> and 11.3+ won't come
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# [10:34] <hsivonen> Poe's Law in action: http://stuffandnonsense.co.uk/blog/about/there_i_said_it
# [10:34] <gaston> woooo linking libxul almost exploded my ppc macmini but it survived!
# [10:35] <gaston> it only consumed 2gb of memory for what, 30mn ?
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# [10:35] <smontagu> why does nsGkAtom::_auto have the underscore?
# [10:36] <smontagu> s/Atom/Atoms/
# [10:36] <nigelb> hsivonen: Heh, I had to look that up :)
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# [10:52] <NeilAway> smontagu: auto is an identifier
# [10:53] <NeilAway> smontagu: I mean keyword
# [10:53] <thelodger> Finally read through it, cheers darktrojan and Cork!
# [10:53] <NeilAway> smontagu: it means "not static, extern or register"
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# [10:56] <NeilAway> smontagu: in very new C++ it means "work out what type this variable is and save me from typing it"
# [10:56] <NeilAway> smontagu: e.g. for (auto itr = myvec.cbegin(); itr != myvec.cend(); ++itr)
# [10:56] <NeilAway> smontagu: rather than std::vector<int>::const_iterator itr
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# [10:57] <smontagu> very new?
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# [10:57] <glandium> smontagu: C++11
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# [10:58] <glandium> smontagu: which, as the name indicates, was finalized last year
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# [11:01] <NeilAway> also pun on hex of course
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# [11:28] <mario> hello everybody. could i write asynchronious tests with mozmill? how its done? any resource i can read through? (thx )
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# [11:41] <@smaug> ok, fun, network connection is mad today
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# [11:44] <edmorley> smaug: in what way? :-)
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# [12:10] <glandium> edmorley: hey, I think it would make sense to add some more typical cases for the approval flags for m-c on the tree rules (such as a=js-only, a=chrome-only, a=npotb). This came up earlier when myk asked about https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b13bfc70bc44
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# [12:11] <mounir> oh, m-c in blocked :(
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# [12:17] <cpearce> how can I style the label in a xul checkbox without using a "#checkboxs-id label" rule? I've been told descendant selectors are slow...
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# [12:19] <cpearce> using checkbox-label class somehow?
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# [12:24] <edmorley> glandium: sorry audio muted & client in a remote window, missed the ping
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# [12:24] <edmorley> glandium: yeah I agree, I'll add something
# [12:24] <glandium> edmorley: thanks
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# [12:26] <gaston> glandium: you're killing me (re #691898) :)
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# [12:30] <darktrojan> this code is so old... not sure if that's a line number, or the year it was written
# [12:33] <smaugN9> look at the cvs blame ;)
# [12:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0e840cf44d2d - Serge Gautherie - Bug 635825. (Av1) Re-enable test_notifications.html, test_privbrowsing.html and test_prompt.html on SeaMonkey. rs=Callek (a=test-only).
# [12:33] <edmorley> glandium: changed
# [12:34] <glandium> edmorley: thanks
# [12:34] <edmorley> np
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# [12:55] <NeilAway> smaugN9: so, if I turn off JavaScript in preferences, then open 60 tabs, then leave the browser for 40 hours, what should I look at first to find out why it's eating so much CPU?
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# [13:17] <smaugN9> re out how to scroll
# [13:17] <jfkthame> and how to type :)
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# [13:17] <jfkthame> yeah, they're great until you actually want to _do_ something
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# [13:18] <darktrojan> connect it to your pc?
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# [13:22] <@smaug> this might work
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# [13:30] <NeilAway> smaug: so, if I turn off JavaScript in preferences, then open 60 tabs, then leave the browser for 40 hours, what should I look at first to find out why it's eating so much CPU?
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# [13:32] <@smaug> NeilAway: run a profiler?
# [13:33] <@smaug> if it is not that, close tabs one by one
# [13:33] <@smaug> NeilAway: and what is "much" ?
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# [13:39] <NeilAway> smaug: well, nearly 100%, it was barely responsive at that point
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# [13:40] <@smaug> uh
# [13:41] <NeilAway> smaug: also, my VM has no plugins installed (apart from the test plugin you get when you build)
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# [13:41] <NeilAway> smaug: I was wondering whether you had suggestions for prefs/logging that I could do, then I could try to reproduce the problem
# [13:42] <@smaug> NeilAway: so, if just possible, I'd look at the profile
# [13:42] <@smaug> if you have some profilers
# [13:42] <@smaug> profiler
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# [13:42] <@smaug> NeilAway: also, is it using that 100% all the time or in cycles?
# [13:42] <@smaug> er, is interval the right word
# [13:44] <NeilAway> smaug: I have to admit I didn't measure it accurately
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# [13:44] <@smaug> NeilAway: well, is it happening every 5 seconds
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# [13:44] <@smaug> or more like all the time
# [13:45] <NeilAway> smaug: more like all the time
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# [13:45] <NeilAway> smaug: but that may have been because whatever it was doing took more than 5 seconds
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# [13:47] <@smaug> right
# [13:47] <@smaug> NeilAway: anyhow, reloading tabs one by one
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# [13:48] <@smaug> or closing the one by one
# [13:48] <@smaug> that might be useful
# [13:48] <@smaug> and profiling
# [13:48] <NeilAway> smaug: well, reloading is not very useful in the use case that I was working on, because I wanted to look at changes to the page over time ;-)
# [13:50] <NeilAway> smaug: anyway, that's not relevant any more, I'll just try to reproduce, and then see what effect closing tabs has
# [13:50] <Yoric> What could cause a crash in nsCOMPtr_base::assign_from_gs_contractid ?
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# [14:19] <edmorley> hi mak :-)
# [14:20] <mak> edmorley: hey!
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# [14:23] <KaiRo> if it wasn't so sad that patent litigation works, I'd cheer for Microsoft losing a case in Germany apparently because of infringing on H.264 patents - I still wonder if that might make them more receptive to patent-free web video standards
# [14:23] <firebot> Check-in:
# [14:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ba559aca9975 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 741070. (Cv1a-FF) Sessionstore tests: Improve and merge 'provideWindow()' and 'whenWindowLoaded()' into 'head.js', Add an 'info()' call, Nits. r=paul (a=test-only).
# [14:23] <mak> edmorley: sorry if I'm not that much active, the Toronto work week didn't help sheriffing time ;)
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# [14:24] <edmorley> mak no need to be sorry :-)
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# [14:40] <NeilAway> Bas: if directx is so slow at drawing chrome, would it be better to draw chrome with gdi and content with directx or is it not so simple?
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# [14:42] <ttaubert> so how does that work now if I'd want to merge fx-team to m-c?
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# [14:47] <jfkthame> ttaubert: does that involve any code that goes into libxul? if not, it should be easy to get approval, i assume
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# [14:56] <ttaubert> jfkthame: most stuff goes into browser/ but there's also some toolkit/devtools/ changes
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# [14:57] <jfkthame> probably best to check with ehsan, i guess
# [14:58] <jfkthame> or whoever's sheriffing m-c
# [14:58] <ttaubert> good question
# [14:59] <Yoric> I have just confirmed a FF crash (bug 751131). Not sure about the importance, but I would be tempted to mark it major.
# [14:59] <Yoric> Any good reason to not do it?
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# [15:08] <edmorley> ttaubert: I see just 3 changesets that will be merged, if I'm reading this right - none of them affect libxul so should be all good
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# [15:12] <edmorley> ttaubert: oh actually, my fx-team tree wasn't up to date; but they're still all js/jsm/makefile, so looks fine
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# [15:13] <zzzzz> Yoric: I can click the 'vote' button repeatedly in Win7 x64 using latest m-c win32 and no crash - but its not a debug build either
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# [15:28] <ttaubert> edmorley: cool thx!
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# [15:36] <ttaubert> edmorley: should I add a=edmorley or something different?
# [15:36] <glandium> ttaubert: are there any changes to non-chrome stuff?
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# [15:36] <edmorley> ttaubert: a=non-libxul maybe?
# [15:37] <edmorley> glandium: just js/jsm/makefile
# [15:37] <glandium> edmorley: then a=js-only would work
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# [15:41] <ttaubert> ok
# [15:41] <jorendorff> darn it. where's the firefox intern page for this summer?
# [15:42] <jorendorff> ah, https://intranet.mozilla.org/Summer_INT12
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# [15:43] <@ted> edmorley: can i just land test-only changes with a=testonly?
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# [15:43] <edmorley> ted: yup
# [15:43] <@ted> also, if i have a mobile-only patch, can i do similarly?
# [15:44] <edmorley> ted: yeah (I updated the tree rules wiki page this morning, at glandium's suggestion)
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# [15:44] <bbondy> If I have a patch I want to push to mozilla-central that is xpcshell tests only can I just write a=test-only and push it?
# [15:44] * @ted has no idea where that is
# [15:44] <edmorley> ted: tree status
# [15:44] <edmorley> ;-)
# [15:44] <@ted> bbondy: hah, i just asked that question, and that was edmorley replying
# [15:45] <mfinkle> bbondy, yes
# [15:45] <bbondy> hah k thx
# [15:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/080fc3a7cdfe - Tim Taubert - Bug 744388 - [Page Thumbnails] implement a custom storage, don't use the file cache; r=dietrich
# [15:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e1edaf3a8883 - Tim Taubert - Bug 744388 - [Page Thumbnails] implement a custom storage, don't use the file cache; r=dietrich
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# [15:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6a369d883d74 - Panos Astithas - Bug 749258: Fix debugger server tests exposed as broken when we start listening for errors. r=dcamp
# [15:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/41e7d93533c1 - Jim Blandy - Bug 749215: Install the debug server jsms as symlinks, when appropriate. r=rcampbell
# [15:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cbd9979748e4 - Jim Blandy - Bug 750368: Help 'make xpcshell-tests' find 'mozinfo' Python module. r=ted
# [15:45] * @ted LOLs at "land patch, go home"
# [15:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/23caa5d559ae - Ed Morley - Backout 080fc3a7cdfe (bug 744388) for xpcshell failures
# [15:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ff39d7da1dd5 - Jim Blandy - Bug 749258: Have toolkit/devtools/debugger xpcshell tests register a listener for Components.utils.reportError, so tests fail when they throw an exception. r=past
# [15:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fee74fe8354c - Jim Blandy - Bug 749231: Set the devtools.debugger.log pref in head_dbg.js, so we always get packet logs. r=past
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# [15:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bc5fee76550b - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team; a=js-only
# [15:47] <edmorley> ehsan: thanks for marking that, completely forgot :-)
# [15:47] <edmorley> (too used to landing anything but my own :-))
# [15:47] <@ehsan> np
# [15:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/765f5d166172 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 747668. (Ev1) XPFE autocomplete.xml: Move code into searchParam. r=neil.
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# [15:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a020473c62f9 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 735970 - Add xpcshell tests for version downgrades. r=rstrong, a=test-only.
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# [16:02] <jorendorff> johnath: what's the cutoff for this firefox work week roundup you're doing?
# [16:02] <jorendorff> johnath: because, i have a thing, but i want it to land first before making noise about it.
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# [16:08] <@ted> ehsan: your inbound is red
# [16:08] <@ted> on windows pgo
# [16:08] <@ehsan> oh
# [16:08] <@ehsan> hmm
# [16:08] <@ehsan> bad rebasing, I bet :(
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# [16:11] <evilpie> js code is okay, right?
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# [16:11] <@ted> backout and fix it later
# [16:11] <@ted> ?
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# [16:11] <@ehsan> yeah, I'm on it
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# [16:12] <@ehsan> ted: backed out
# [16:13] <@ted> thx
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# [16:14] <@ted> bah, closed tree hook
# [16:14] <davidb> i need to the gecko profiler to work in windows - does it?
# [16:15] <davidb> BenWa: ^
# [16:15] <evilpie> can i commit js code?
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# [16:15] <BenWa> davidb: Right now you need to set up a symbol server
# [16:15] * @ted should really figure out a nicer hg way of including the closed tree annotations without having to put them in commit messages
# [16:15] <BenWa> once we get privacy review that will go away
# [16:15] <BenWa> ill be in the office soon if you want to chat about it. leaving now
# [16:15] <@ehsan> does anyone remember how I could see hidden jobs in TBPL?
# [16:15] <davidb> BenWa: ok thanks see ya
# [16:16] <@ehsan> there was a GET param that we used to use
# [16:16] <davidb> ehsan: ask armenzg or catlee
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# [16:16] <@ted> ehsan: noignore=1
# [16:16] <@ehsan> right
# [16:16] <@ehsan> thanks
# [16:16] <davidb> or ted
# [16:16] <@ehsan> also, who's the build duty?
# [16:16] <@ehsan> armenzg: ping
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# [16:16] <armenzg> ehsan: what's up?
# [16:16] * armenzg reads scrollback
# [16:17] <armenzg> noignore=1
# [16:17] <@ehsan> armenzg: can we make sure that mozilla-inbound gets the higher priority temporarily?
# [16:17] <armenzg> ehsan: it will take a bit but can be done; how come?
# [16:17] <@ehsan> armenzg: also, yesterday I triggered PGO builds on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=aeaf0487f9f0&noignore=1, but I don't see them now...
# [16:17] <@ehsan> armenzg: I am landing stuff there which I need results on in order to reopen the tree sooner
# [16:18] <edmorley> ted: everyone else is landing on m-c for now, is there a particular reason why inbound?
# [16:18] <@ehsan> ted: can you please land your future patches on central?
# [16:18] <edmorley> jinx :-)
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# [16:18] <@ted> edmorley: uh
# [16:18] <@dbaron> boy, we have a lot more valgrind warnings starting up than we used to
# [16:18] <@ehsan> armenzg: I'm trying to keep inbound CLOSED to everything but PGO fixes
# [16:18] <armenzg> ehsan: I don't think triggering PGO works from self-serve correctly (but I could be mis-remembering)
# [16:18] <@ted> edmorley: inertia?
# [16:18] <@ehsan> argh
# [16:18] <@ehsan> ted: ^
# [16:19] <@ted> sorry
# [16:19] <armenzg> ehsan: :)
# [16:19] <@ehsan> armenzg: bah, so how should I trigger them?
# [16:19] <armenzg> let me look at the priorities
# [16:19] <@ehsan> ok
# [16:19] * @ted oblivious
# [16:20] <edmorley> armenzg, ehsan: PGO triggering should work, it was broken for a day by bug 750611, but that's fixed
# [16:20] <@ted> amazing how quickly you can get set into a routine
# [16:20] * ehsan changes topic to 'inbound CLOSED for all patches except for PGO fixes, m-c APPROVAL REQUIRED: bug 750661 || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [16:20] <@ehsan> edmorley: ok thanks
# [16:20] <armenzg> catlee: can PGO builds be triggered on try? ehsan has not been able to see some PGO builds he triggered
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# [16:22] <Yoric> armenzg: Yes, it can, with a mini-hack.
# [16:22] <@ehsan> ted: so here's what happened: seems like the windows *PGO* build fails with the libpng thing, but the regular build does not
# [16:22] <@ehsan> ted: can you explain that?!
# [16:22] <@ehsan> or guess why that is?
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# [16:23] <edmorley> ehsan, armenzg: oh sorry missed the fact that it was try - you need to add MOZ_PGO=1 to mozconfig
# [16:23] <Yoric> armenzg: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1612284
# [16:23] <@ehsan> edmorley: oh wow, the neverending maze of inconsistency in our tools
# [16:23] <Yoric> (that's just for one platform, you have to do it for each platform)
# [16:23] <edmorley> ehsan: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
# [16:23] <armenzg> ehsan: once the jobs are triggered, you can from self-serve increment the priority of the jobs
# [16:23] * @ehsan files a bug to get the PGO box out of the self-serve page
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# [16:24] <@ehsan> armenzg: how will that help with the pending jobs? :)
# [16:25] <armenzg> ehsan: if higher priority given than "m-c" it will take your job first
# [16:25] <@ehsan> armenzg: also, clicking the +1 button there seems to do nothing!
# [16:25] <@ehsan> armenzg: so does this mean that we're out of free windows builders?
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# [16:25] <armenzg> let me check
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# [16:29] <johnath> jorendorff: this week!
# [16:30] <jorendorff> blah
# [16:30] <johnath> jorendorff: there will be time for more retweets - could even include a teaser
# [16:30] <johnath> but I would hold it till next week, if that would help
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# [16:31] <jorendorff> it only depends on m-c or m-i opening
# [16:31] <jtcranmer> hmm
# [16:31] <johnath> well then, let's find ehsan some people with build system expertise!
# [16:31] <@ted> ehsan: awesome
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# [16:32] <@ehsan> ted: so is there something fundamentally different in how we link libs in PGO builds?
# [16:32] <@ted> ehsan: there's not fundamentally much difference
# [16:32] <@ted> it's just a few extra linker args
# [16:32] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/config.mk#326
# [16:33] <jorendorff> johnath: so if you don't hear from me in time, "plus, coming soon, jorendorff has a screencast demoing the new Debugger object"
# [16:33] <glandium> ehsan: I don't think bug 750747 is responsible for anything there
# [16:33] <@ehsan> hmm
# [16:33] <glandium> ehsan: the same thing happened on a linux pgo build yesterday
# [16:33] <@ehsan> glandium: oh really?
# [16:33] <@ehsan> should I retrigger?
# [16:33] <glandium> and i have no rational explanation, as the file is supposed to be there
# [16:33] <@ehsan> hmm
# [16:34] * @ehsan retriggers
# [16:34] <glandium> ehsan: retriggering pgo is hard
# [16:34] <@ehsan> heh well we don't currently have windows builders...
# [16:34] <@ehsan> glandium: I can also push my patch again...
# [16:35] <@ehsan> would you do that if you were me?
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# [16:35] <armenzg> ehsan: priorities from self-serve are only within the same branch (so no use for your case) and right now we are running Windows repacks (I will write a proposal to trigger nightly builds earlier and avoid this from happening)
# [16:35] <glandium> I'm tempted to avoid the issue altogether
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# [16:36] <armenzg> I will look into bumping the priority for m-i
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# [16:36] <@ehsan> glandium: avoid which issue?
# [16:36] <@ehsan> armenzg: thanks
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# [16:38] <glandium> aaaaaaah i think i have a rational explanation for this issue
# [16:38] <glandium> ehsan: the build failure you got
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# [16:38] <@ehsan> ok
# [16:38] * @ehsan is all ears
# [16:39] <glandium> basically, it's a race condition during make clean
# [16:39] <glandium> more precisely, during the make maybe-clean-for-pgo or whatever it's called
# [16:39] <@ted> whee
# [16:39] <@ted> maybe-clobber-profiledbuild
# [16:39] * @ted named that
# [16:40] * @ehsan is not sure what that means
# [16:40] <glandium> ehsan: that it's not your problem, but mine
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# [16:40] <Bas> NeilAway: Not that simple, also, webpages do this kind of stuff too and in reality it's -our- fault for not using it right.
# [16:41] <@ehsan> glandium: haha, nice! ;)
# [16:41] <Bas> We should fix the gecko code so that both chrome and webpages that do this kind of stuff get acceptable looks with acceptable perf.
# [16:41] <@ehsan> glandium: so should I reland?
# [16:41] <@ehsan> ted: in the mean time, can you please review my patch in bug 751151?
# [16:41] <glandium> ehsan: yeah, you can
# [16:41] <@ehsan> glandium: great, thanks :)
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# [16:42] <glandium> ehsan: or you can wait a few minutes, so that i fix that race condition, and then you're sure it won't happen again
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# [16:42] <@ehsan> glandium: ok, I'll wait then
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# [16:44] <timdream> if i want to file a bug saying that firefox should use arrow panel instead of info bar for offline app cache notification, what component it should be belong?
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# [16:46] <timdream> Firefox -> Themes ?
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# [16:48] <@ehsan> ted: so, what is EXPORT_LIBRARY=1?
# [16:48] <@ehsan> ted: and should I get rid of that if I wanna move something to gkmedias?
# [16:48] <@ehsan> (that thing in ycbcr, fwiw)
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# [16:53] <@ted> mostly just controls whether we install to $(DIST)/staticlib: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/makefiles/target_libs.mk#70
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# [16:55] <@ehsan> ted: so, in other words, I should take it out, right? :)
# [16:56] <@ted> shouldn't be necessary
# [16:56] <@ted> i think that's mostly leftover from static builds
# [16:56] <@ted> we have a lot of cruft
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# [16:57] <@ehsan> ok
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# [17:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/781827e827f8 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 750722 - Fix missing null check. r=mfinkle a=android-only
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# [17:03] <Yoric> I have "TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | automation.py"
# [17:03] <armenzg> ehsan: I just saw your Windows jobs being picked up; do you still want the higher prioritization?
# [17:03] <Yoric> What's automation.py, exactly?
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# [17:03] <Yoric> I assume it's not a test but part of the harness, is it?
# [17:03] <armenzg> Yoric: what triggers the tests automation
# [17:03] <armenzg> a harness, I would say
# [17:03] <Yoric> ok
# [17:03] <glandium> ehsan: turns out my possible rational explation doesn't make much sense, and apart from gross workarounds, I don't have an immediate solution :-/
# [17:03] <Yoric> So this means that the failure takes place before the test starts?
# [17:04] <Yoric> armenzg: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11388129&tree=Try
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# [17:04] <Bas> How long do we estimate for inbound to re-open?
# [17:04] <glandium> ted: staticlib is still used to reference a lot of intermediate libs from toolkit/library/Makefile.in, iirc
# [17:05] <@ted> probably could fix that
# [17:05] <@ted> now that we don't have other build configs
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# [17:06] <@ted> Yoric: that's telling you that the app exited with an error almost immediately
# [17:06] <Yoric> ok, thanks
# [17:06] <@ted> and then below you can see the stack
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# [17:06] <edmorley> Bas: hard question to answer, ultimately depends on how much we save by the dependant bugs that ehsan has filed
# [17:06] <edmorley> Bas: even if they are enough, each PGO cycle takes 4+ hours and that's presuming machines free
# [17:07] <Bas> edmorley: Well, sure, I'm assuming there's machines free now that it's closed :p
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# [17:07] <edmorley> Bas: m-c is stealing them
# [17:07] <edmorley> since it has higher priority
# [17:08] <@ehsan> armenzg: yes, please
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# [17:08] <@ehsan> glandium: ok so I'll just reland and cross my fingers...
# [17:08] <glandium> ehsan: yeah :(
# [17:09] <@ehsan> Bas: I would be surprised if we can reopen in less than 6+ hours :/
# [17:09] <Bas> ehsan: Sure, I was just thinking today, days, or weeks :)
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# [17:09] <@ehsan> Bas: days would be a safe assumption
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# [17:09] <espindola> bz, can you reproduce 742455 with the "patch" in comment 308?
# [17:09] <Bas> Ok :)
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# [17:10] <Bas> I'll just let my patch queue grow a little then :)
# [17:10] <armenzg> ehsan: done
# [17:10] <@ehsan> armenzg: ty
# [17:10] <armenzg> I guess we will undo in a day or two? when we are open for a while?
# [17:10] <armenzg> yw
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# [17:12] <jlebar> Is <xul:browser> an nsIDOMElement?
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# [17:12] <@ehsan> armenzg: sure
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# [17:12] <@ehsan> jlebar: yeah, in the XUL document
# [17:13] <jlebar> ehsan, thanks!
# [17:14] <jesup> ted: "LOLs at "land patch, go home"" <- we used to call that "fire-and-forget checkins"
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# [17:15] <catlee> espindola: hey, do you know anything about the __USE_XOPEN2K8 define for gcc?
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# [17:16] <catlee> espindola: the gcc we built on our ancient centos system doesn't define that, which breaks builds on newer platforms
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# [17:17] <espindola> catlee, sorry. I have never seen that macro
# [17:17] <espindola> gcc changes behavior depending on its configure script
# [17:17] <espindola> this might be one of those cases
# [17:18] <catlee> I guess I can try building gcc on a newer OS to see if it picks that up
# [17:18] <espindola> catlee, you can also try the build script from 683975 on centos 5
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# [17:18] <espindola> it builds glibc, so it should isolate gcc from the environment
# [17:18] <catlee> ah
# [17:19] <catlee> I'm tring to run on either centos6 or fc11
# [17:19] <catlee> with the same gcc rpm
# [17:19] <espindola> catlee, it is in build/unix/build-toolchain/
# [17:19] <catlee> which has resulted in much pain
# [17:19] <catlee> cool, thanks
# [17:19] <espindola> I have tested it on centos 5
# [17:19] <espindola> and fedora 16
# [17:19] <espindola> the results are still not identical
# [17:19] <espindola> but should be a lot better that the current build scripts
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# [17:27] <@bz> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/22202927751/why is silly
# [17:27] <@bz> it's a stack locally and a queue globally
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# [17:29] <nigelb> but the local stack is called a patch queue.
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# [17:31] <@bz> yes
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# [17:31] <@bz> because when it comes time to push it it acts as a queue
# [17:32] <nigelb> ah.
# [17:32] <@ehsan> ted: another patch for you (bug 751186)
# [17:32] <jlebar> bz, Sounds like it should be "stack deque" then. :)
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# [17:32] <@bz> jlebar: hg stackdequeuepush
# [17:32] <@bz> jlebar: and then we all hate the naming
# [17:33] <nigelb> heh
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# [17:38] <Ms2ger> "For even faster build times, find the maximal set of options that start with disable that still yield a build that starts up."
# [17:38] <Ms2ger> Hah
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# [17:41] <Callek> Ms2ger: --disable-compile-environment ftw!
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# [17:42] <Ms2ger> ted, http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com
# [17:42] <@ted> aha
# [17:42] <@ted> okay
# [17:42] <@ted> it's just insanity wolf
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> Poe's Law? :)
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# [17:53] <glandium> Callek: note that --disable-compile-environment still needs a compile environment because of nsinstall
# [17:54] <Callek> glandium: no it doesn't :-P [on some platforms]
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# [17:54] <Callek> nsinstall.py!
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# [17:55] <lduros> does running DOMParser parseFromString() for text/html also executes javascript after the dom is parsed?
# [17:55] <lduros> if that string/dom contains js
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# [17:56] <@ehsan> ted: do we PGO gkmedias.dll?
# [17:56] <Ms2ger> lduros, no, no script is executed
# [17:56] <glandium> Callek: well, there's something that makes the build fail anyways
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# [17:56] <lduros> Ms2ger: ok good. thanks
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# [17:56] <Ms2ger> > + nsCOMPtr<nsINode> rootNode = GetEditorRoot();
# [17:56] <Ms2ger> This QI here is unneeded, please get rid of it.
# [17:56] <Ms2ger> Say what, ehsan?
# [17:56] <glandium> ehsan: afaik, we pgo any lib/program
# [17:56] <@ehsan> ok
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# [18:00] <jhammel> lol
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# [18:08] <jwir3> this is kinda a dumb question, but if I have a linux debug build right now, and I want to generate a linux opt build (try tests failing, want to repro locally), will I successfully do that by removing ac_add_options --enable-debug from .mozconfig?
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# [18:10] <jfkthame> jwir3: if you have --disable-optimize, you might also want to remove that
# [18:10] <jfkthame> jwir3: personally, i'd build to a different objdir, so that you can have both on hand
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# [18:11] <Bas> jwir3 jfkthame: I'd recommend adding --enable-debug-symbols too. If you're looking to debug a problem.
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# [18:11] <Bas> It sucks having to rebuild later when you decide you need symbols.
# [18:11] <jwir3> gotcha. thanks, Bas, jfkthame.
# [18:11] <jfkthame> jwir3: in fact, if you can repro with --enable-optimize --enable-debug, that's what i'd use
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# [18:11] <jwir3> cool, I'll try that first
# [18:11] <Bas> Right, that's even better because you get assertions and all.,
# [18:11] <jfkthame> jwir3: depend whether the presence of debug code actually prevents the problem - it might
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# [18:12] <jfkthame> of course, if it's dependent on the tryserver machine configs, you may have trouble reproducing locally at all……. fun times
# [18:12] <jwir3> great...
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# [18:13] <jfkthame> so many different failure modes, so little time :)
# [18:13] <Matt_> bz: that redirect thing turns out to be pretty easy
# [18:13] <jwir3> heh. It seems to be succeeding only on linux debug, so hopefully I have a good shot of getting at least _something_ to break if I change the config ;)
# [18:13] <Matt_> in the onStartRequest method of the tracing listener I just canceled the request and asyncOpened a new channel using the original listener
# [18:13] <Matt_> seems to work fine
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# [18:14] <Matt_> just FYI
# [18:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7fc6248f179d - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 749853 - about:* pages (and other unwanted URIs) should not be stored in history. r=mfinkle a=android-only
# [18:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5430670457ac - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 695204 - Display site security. r=mfinkle a=android-only
# [18:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/272f4e6ce38a - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 736272 - Add extra awesomeness weight to bookmarks. r=lucasr a=android-only
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# [18:21] <glandium> Bas: --enable-debug-symbols is the default
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# [18:21] <Bas> glandium: Even when you specify --disable-debug?
# [18:21] <glandium> Bas: yes
# [18:21] <Bas> It wasn't on windows last I checked (which admittedly is a while ago, I use --enable-debug-symbols always these days)
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# [18:22] <bdahl> Mossop: do you think a general consensus has been reached on 740795?
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# [18:23] <bdahl> i'd like to help out with it, but there seems to be lots of ideas but no agreement on which way
# [18:24] <@ted> jwir3: you'll have to blow away your objdir to actually get a useful build
# [18:24] <@ted> if you change debug, you're going to have to rebuild everything anyway
# [18:24] <@ted> Bas: --enable-debug-symbols is the default
# [18:24] <@ted> also, just FWIW
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# [18:25] <@ted> if you only specify --enable-debug, you will get an optimized debug build by default
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# [18:25] <@ted> you have to explicitly --enable-debug --disable-optimize to get a non-optimized debug build
# [18:25] <jwir3> thanks for the additional info, guys
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# [18:26] <Bas> Ahah
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# [18:27] <@smaug> ted: what was the reason for the silly "need to use --disable-optimize" ?
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# [18:28] <glandium> smaug: debug builds are slow?
# [18:28] <@ted> smaug: i'm not sure, either historical reasons or it just worked out that way from other factors
# [18:28] <Mossop> bdahl: Not quite but I think we're getting there. I'm hoping to finish it up this week
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# [18:28] <@ted> we enabled optimization on our tinderbox debug builds because it makes running tests way faster
# [18:28] <@smaug> it hasn't been that way always
# [18:28] <glandium> ted: i think the change is pretty recent
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# [18:29] <@smaug> ted: that is different. tbox may use whatever options
# [18:29] <@ted> glandium: i don't remember it happening explicitly
# [18:29] <@ted> but maybe it was just fallout from something else
# [18:29] <@smaug> but the default option should be good for developers, not for tbox
# [18:29] <@ted> maybe we made optimized the default, and just didn't make it disabled for debug?
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# [18:30] <bdahl> Mossop: great, anything I can help with?
# [18:30] <jhammel> ted: that sounds correct
# [18:30] <glandium> ted: i think we explicitely made debug builds optimized
# [18:30] <@smaug> ted: ah, that sounds possible
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# [18:30] <@ted> glandium: well, on tinderbox, yes
# [18:30] <@ted> but i mean in general
# [18:30] <@ted> i would be fine with making --enable-debug disable optimization by default
# [18:30] <@ted> unless you explicitly --enable-optimize
# [18:30] <@ted> since that's much better for debugging
# [18:31] <Mossop> bdahl: Not on that side no, probably the most important thing is figuring out the UI that allows users to enable/disable pdf.js once it isn't in the add-ons manager anymore
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# [18:32] <@smaug> ted: ok, I'll file a bug
# [18:32] <@ted> smaug: okay
# [18:32] <@ted> smaug: we will have to make sure the tinderbox mozconfigs explicitly --enable-optimize
# [18:32] <@ted> but they're all in mozilla-central now so that's easy
# [18:32] <@smaug> sure
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# [18:41] <bdahl> Mossop: k, i've started on that. I am planning to register pdf.js with the HandlerService/ApplicationManger so it shows up like rss feeds as "Preview in Firefox" in the options->Applications
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# [19:03] <edmorley> froydnj: bug 750368 might be of use
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# [19:05] <Ms2ger> Why is this line indented 13 spaces?
# [19:05] <jhammel> Ms2ger: this line?
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# [19:06] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/editor/libeditor/base/IMETextTxn.cpp#341
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# [19:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/54bdba1494af - Malini Das - Bug 746031 - Support nested iframes correctly in Marionette, r=jgriffin, a=npotb,
# [19:07] <khuey> Ms2ger: because editor
# [19:07] <edmorley> check
# [19:07] <Ms2ger> Fair point
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# [19:07] <Ms2ger> Bye, khuey|away
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# [19:08] <@bz> Ms2ger: that was a non-rhetorical question?
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# [19:08] <Ms2ger> Sorta
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# [19:12] <Ms2ger> smaug, you know about nsRange, right?
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# [19:13] <@bz> man
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# [19:13] <@bz> hixie is getting grumbly in his old age
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# [19:13] <@bz> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012AprJun/0443.html
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> The XBL2 CfC?
# [19:14] <@bz> yeah
# [19:14] <@smaug> Ms2ger: some yes
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> Well, he has to edit specs in the HTMLWG
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# [19:14] <@bz> why does he care if people want to waste time publishing a note?
# [19:14] <@bz> esp. since they don't have to waste time affirmatively _voting_ to publish the note
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> I should waste my time publishing notes
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# [19:15] <@bz> if you have time to waste....
# [19:15] <@bz> you should waste it sorting through nsIDOMNSElement. ;)
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# [19:15] <Ms2ger> smaug, range = new nsRange; range->SetStart(node, offset); range->SetEnd(node, offset);
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# [19:16] <Ms2ger> smaug, would anything change if you dropped the SetEnd?
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# [19:16] <Ms2ger> (Note: same args)
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> bz, yessir :)
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# [19:17] <Hixie> bz: so long as they don't require me to do work because they agreed that they don't want to do work, i don't really care
# [19:17] <Hixie> bz: i just think it's a ridiculous question to ask
# [19:17] <mounir> by any chance, someone knows what type I should use in WebIDL if I'm returning a dictionnary-like object (like JSON)
# [19:18] <mounir> WebIDL seems to refuse "Dictionnary" as an identifier :/
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> I'm sure it doesn't
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> Because you misspelled it
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# [19:18] <@bz> Hixie: well, obviously if they ask you to write the note you should tell them to f-off
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> Hixie, fwiw, I think it's useful to have notes in dead specs
# [19:18] <@bz> hixie: and yes, the whole thing is silly
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# [19:19] <@bz> hixie: except that it _is_ good to have an explicit "this is dead" document for external consumption
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# [19:19] <Hixie> Ms2ger: given my position on TR/ as a whole, the idea of publishing anything seems pointless
# [19:19] <@bz> mounir: are you actually using khuey's parser?
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# [19:19] <reuben> do we do LTO with GCC?
# [19:19] <Hixie> bz: xbl2 isn't going to change state from this vote. if it is dead now, it was always dead; if someone later decides it's not dead, then it's not dead now.
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> Hixie, I know your position on TR/ :)
# [19:19] <mounir> bz: no, I just want to design an API and use the correct WebIDL syntax
# [19:20] <@bz> Hixie: I think the idea is to make it clear to people not in the know that it's dead
# [19:20] <@bz> mounir: "dictionary"
# [19:20] <@bz> mounir: in that case
# [19:20] <Hixie> bz: like whom?
# [19:20] <@bz> mounir: iirc
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# [19:20] <Ms2ger> Hixie, like all the people who send feedback on DOM2Core
# [19:20] <mounir> bz: "The type name of a dictionary type is the identifier of the dictionary. "
# [19:20] <@bz> hixie: people trying to contribute to the group who are not intimately in the process
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# [19:21] <Hixie> bz, Ms2ger: ok, yeah, that's fair
# [19:21] <mounir> which seems to mean you can't just say "attribute Dictionary foo;"
# [19:21] <mounir> but "attribute MyDictionary foo;"
# [19:21] <@bz> hmm
# [19:21] <lduros> i'm looking for an example of javascript code walking the tree returned by the new Parser API: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/SpiderMonkey/Parser_API -- does anybody know where I can find such an example?
# [19:21] <@bz> so if you do:
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# [19:21] <Hixie> bz, Ms2ger: but then what we need to do is update the dev version to say it's not being implemented by anyone, not the TR/ page
# [19:21] <@bz> dictionary Dictionary {
# [19:21] <@bz> };
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> mounir, is the name black box observable?
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> Hixie, both, imo
# [19:21] <jorendorff> lduros: yes, I have some code somewhere… hang on...
# [19:21] <@bz> then you should be able to do |attribute Dictionary foo;|
# [19:22] <lduros> jorendorff: oh great! :-)
# [19:22] <@bz> however you probably want a better name than "Dictionary" here
# [19:22] <mounir> Ms2ger: ?!
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# [19:22] <@bz> because there is only one namespace
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# [19:22] <@bz> Hixie: yes, that would make sense
# [19:22] <@bz> Hixie: big note at the top on the spec itself
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> mounir, can you write a test case where the name will make a difference?
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# [19:23] <@bz> Ms2ger: of course
# [19:23] <@bz> Ms2ger: "whenever someone else happens to use the same name"
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# [19:24] <mounir> bz, Ms2ger: in my interface, the attribute will have a dictionary that can have any members, depending on other attributes
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# [19:24] <jorendorff> lduros: https://bug590755.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=558508
# [19:24] <mounir> so defining a specific dictionary seems odd
# [19:24] <lduros> jorendorff: Fantastic!! :-)
# [19:24] <@bz> then you don't want a dictionary
# [19:24] <jorendorff> :)
# [19:24] <@bz> you may just want "object"
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# [19:25] <Ms2ger> What he said
# [19:25] <mounir> ok :)
# [19:25] <@bz> assuming it plans to return a JSObject
# [19:25] <@bz> if it returns something with "interesting" getter behavior you want an interface with a named getter
# [19:25] <lduros> jorendorff: can I reuse some of it? is it released under the MPL 2.0?
# [19:26] <jorendorff> lduros: yes, feel free. i wrote that code, you may certainly have it under MPL 2.0.
# [19:26] <taras> Bas: i switched to your build as my primary firefox
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# [19:27] <Bas> taras: Hah :p
# [19:27] <lduros> jorendorff: ok thanks! :-)
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# [19:27] <@bz> so a C++ question
# [19:27] <@bz> Say I have somthing like this:
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# [19:28] <@bz> namespace A { namespace B {
# [19:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/08ea94cb6365 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 732364 - Ensure _elementCanScroll doesn't return true when the irrelevant axis is scrollable. r=Cwiiis
# [19:28] <Bas> taras: I think I can manage the prefs btw, I'll make simple borders and 'simple' gradients preffable individually, the one thing I can't land on the UX branch yet is the D2DLayer caching but that shouldn't be too bad and I'll work on getting that into Azure in general.
# [19:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6483b38af5c0 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 722657 - Fix glaring bug in subdocument scrolling where scroll amounts got discarded. r=Cwiiis
# [19:28] <@bz> namespace C { class Foo; }
# [19:28] <@bz> er, no
# [19:28] <@bz> like this:
# [19:28] <@bz> namespace A {
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# [19:28] <@bz> namespace B { class Foo; }
# [19:29] <@ted> gps: we had code coverage builds of the entire browser
# [19:29] <@ted> nobody looked at the results
# [19:29] <taras> Bas: are borders/gradients expensive in soft rendering too?
# [19:29] <@bz> namesace C {
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# [19:29] <@ted> they're broken now, AFAIK
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# [19:29] <Bas> taras: Not great, but not bad either.
# [19:29] <@bz> // Would like to refer to B::Foo as just B
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# [19:29] <@bz> }
# [19:29] <@bz> Is that possible?
# [19:29] <@bz> seems like the compiler thinks this is all ambiguous
# [19:29] <Bas> bz: Typedef B::Foo B; ?
# [19:29] <@bz> but it'd be really nice to be able to say "when I say B I mean this thing" here
# [19:29] <jorendorff> bz: refer to B::Foo as just B?
# [19:30] <jorendorff> I think you can namespace B = ::A::B;
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> s/B/nsB/? :)
# [19:30] <@bz> Bas: I tried that; compiler complains about it
# [19:30] <@bz> let me be more precise
# [19:30] <Bas> bz: Because the typedef is ambiguous with the namespace?
# [19:30] <@bz> Bas: yes
# [19:30] <gps> ted: I would look at them now :)
# [19:30] <Bas> Yeah, figures :s
# [19:30] <@bz> I have namespace dom
# [19:30] <@ted> gps: you'll have to fix them first!
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# [19:30] <@ted> gps: also, pretty sure we had JS code coverage at some point
# [19:30] * @ted tries to remember
# [19:30] <@bz> inside that I have namespace XMLHttpRequestResponseType
# [19:31] <jorendorff> bz: etherpad?
# [19:31] <@bz> yeah
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# [19:31] <gps> ted: at some point I heard there was. but it was hacky and that API doesn't exist any more
# [19:31] <Hixie> bz: k, i updated the editor's draft. they can do what they want with the TR/ copy
# [19:31] <@bz> Hixie: awesome
# [19:31] <Ms2ger> Hixie++
# [19:31] <@bz> jorendorff, bas: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/OUCiOBi9jM
# [19:31] <@ted> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657647
# [19:32] <@ted> is the last bustage i remember
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# [19:32] <@ted> also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657636
# [19:33] <jtcranmer> ted: that js code coverage tool has/had some issues
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# [19:34] <dholbert> dbaron, ping
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# [19:35] <Ms2ger> Heh, add more namespaces
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# [19:37] <Ms2ger> Bas, "This should work" is a dangerous statement about C++ ;)
# [19:37] <Bas> Ms2ger: *grins*
# [19:37] <Bas> I'm just trying to think of a solution :)
# [19:37] <@bz> what Bas suggests will work
# [19:37] <@bz> just make using the values a pain
# [19:38] <Bas> Yep :(
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# [19:38] <mbrubeck> ehsan: I can't see this Ts MAX Dirty Profile regression at http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[54,64,12],[54,1,12]]&sel=none&displayrange=7&datatype=running ...
# [19:38] <@ted> jtcranmer: gps is working on something in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750364
# [19:38] <@ted> FYI
# [19:38] <@bz> I mean....
# [19:38] <@bz> I can cheat
# [19:38] <@bz> and just prefix all my values with XMLHttpRequestResponseType_
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# [19:38] <mbrubeck> oh, non-PGO... http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[54,64,12],[54,1,12],[54,94,12]]&sel=1335375020658,1335979820658&displayrange=7&datatype=running
# [19:39] <@bz> pseudo-namespaces for the win!
# [19:39] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: see the link in the regression email
# [19:39] <mbrubeck> yeah
# [19:39] <Bas> bz: Or #defines! :)
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# [19:39] * mbrubeck looks at the Fx-Team-Non-PGO graph http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[54,94,12],[54,132,12]]&sel=none&displayrange=30&datatype=running
# [19:39] <@bz> Bas: how do #defines help me?
# [19:40] <jtcranmer> ted: again? :-)
# [19:40] <@smaug> Ms2ger: looks like you could drop the SetEnd
# [19:40] <Bas> bz: #define XMLHttpRequestResponseType XMLHttpRequestResponseType::value might work with the obscure macro logic in C++?
# [19:40] <Bas> Not sure? :)
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# [19:41] <Ms2ger> Bas, not for the values before +11, I don't think
# [19:41] <@bz> Bas: hmm
# [19:41] <@bz> Bas: will think about it
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# [19:42] <marco> jlebar, do you think bug 651060 can be marked as MemShrink?
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# [19:43] <jlebar> marco, Yes, sure.
# [19:43] * jlebar would love to cut our decoded image size in half.
# [19:44] <Ms2ger> smaug, thanks
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# [19:46] <jtcranmer> also, ew
# [19:46] <jtcranmer> xml output
# [19:46] <@ted> i think gps is a closet xml fetishist
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# [19:47] <gps> ted: I favor file formats that can be read by tools, not unstructured text
# [19:47] <jlebar|mac> smaug: I'm not sure what you mean about nsPIDOMWindow::GetParentTarget returning my new message manager. As I have things (and maybe they're wrong!) the mm's seem to work fine. The problem is just addEventListener on the global...
# [19:47] <gps> Cobertura's XML code coverage format is understood by nearly every code coverage reporting tool out there
# [19:47] <jtcranmer> the format I fell in love with was lcov's
# [19:47] <gps> I'm open to other suggestions
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# [19:48] <jtcranmer> writing a decoder takes only a few lines of code
# [19:48] <jtcranmer> and it's extremely low overhead
# [19:48] <jlebar|mac> gps: What about JSON?
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# [19:48] <jlebar|mac> Oh, I guess you're using an existing format.
# [19:48] <gps> exactly
# [19:48] <jtcranmer> and lcov produces decently presentable results
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# [19:49] <gps> jtcranmer: point me to lcov's format documentation in the bug and I'll consider it
# [19:49] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: you add a new message manager
# [19:49] <luke> any reason i can't land SM-only (so, libmozjs) changes on inbound now?
# [19:49] <jlebar|mac> smaug: Yep.
# [19:49] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: events don't propagate to that
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> luke, a=not-in-libxul
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# [19:49] <jlebar|mac> Ah.
# [19:49] <luke> righto
# [19:49] <@dbaron> dholbert, pong
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# [19:49] <jtcranmer> gps: http://ltp.sourceforge.net/coverage/lcov/geninfo.1.php
# [19:49] <khuey> do we do nightly builds on mozilla-beta?
# [19:50] <gps> you'll notice from the bug that I made the reporting API extensible. you just code coverage into a data container class and there is a separate class to transform it into some other format
# [19:51] <jlebar|mac> Oh, I understand. I should modify nsPIDOMWindow::GetParentTarget to return my new message manager.
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# [19:52] <Waldo> Ms2ger: wait, JS stuff can just keep landing? hmmmm
# [19:52] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: right
# [19:52] <Waldo> well, not if it touches an installed header, perhaps
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# [19:52] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: and then modify your mm instance to set the right event target parent in PreHandleEvent
# [19:52] <Waldo> this distinction seems a bit too fuzzy to really run with
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# [19:53] <decoder> <jtcranmer> writing a decoder takes only a few lines of code <- now I feel insulted^^
# [19:54] <jtcranmer> new Message({to: decoder}).addBody("Hello!");
# [19:54] <decoder> :D
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# [19:55] <edmorley> luke: not inbound, use m-c
# [19:55] <luke> edmorley: ok
# [19:55] <@ehsan> khuey: ping
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# [19:56] <@ehsan> hsivonen: ping
# [19:56] <khuey> ehsan: pong
# [19:56] <@ehsan> khuey: can you please review my build system stuff?
# [19:56] <khuey> what stuff?
# [19:56] <@ehsan> khuey: I'd like to land them asap
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# [19:56] <@ehsan> lemme look up bug #'s
# [19:56] <@bz> in python
# [19:57] <@bz> if I have a list x
# [19:57] * khuey 's review queue is empty
# [19:57] <Ms2ger> khuey, I can fix that :)
# [19:57] <@bz> and I want to produce a list that has two entries for each entry of x
# [19:57] <@ehsan> khuey: yeah I had asked from ted since you were asleep
# [19:57] <@bz> entries at indices 2K and 2K+1 computed from the entry at index K in x
# [19:57] <@bz> can I do that with list comprehensions, or do I need a loop?
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# [19:57] <Waldo> bz: [[f(x), g(x)] for x in lst]
# [19:57] <@ehsan> khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=620321&action=edit
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# [19:58] <Ms2ger> Waldo, flattened
# [19:58] <@ehsan> khuey: another patch forthcoming :)
# [19:58] <@bz> Waldo: that gives me a list of lists
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# [19:58] <Waldo> oh
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# [19:58] <derf> So, what's the approval process if I have a patch that touches files in the win32 build, but which should produce identical code after the pre-processor runs on them?
# [19:58] <Waldo> hm
# [19:58] <Ms2ger> I don't think so
# [19:59] <jlebar> bz, zip(mylist, mylist) ?
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# [19:59] <jlebar> Or...that does a list of tuples.
# [19:59] <jlebar> But surely there's a function.
# [19:59] <@ehsan> khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=620379&action=edit
# [19:59] <@ted> pretty sure i've had to do this before
# [19:59] <@ted> but i don't remember the answer
# [19:59] <Waldo> bz: [f(x) if even is True else g(x) for x in lst for even in (True, False)]?
# [19:59] <jlebar> bz, http://docs.python.org/library/itertools.html#itertools.chain
# [19:59] <Waldo> bz: I'm not convinced this is readable
# [20:00] <Waldo> also I don't remember if that's all the punctuation Python wants or not
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# [20:00] <@bz> ok
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# [20:00] <Ms2ger> [fun(x) for x in list for fun in [f, g]], maybe?
# [20:00] <Waldo> yeah, that's a little better
# [20:00] <@bz> hmm
# [20:00] <Waldo> but tuple!
# [20:00] * @bz experiments
# [20:00] <Ms2ger> Dunno if that's the right order
# [20:00] <Ms2ger> Yeah, it is
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# [20:01] <@bz> perfect
# [20:01] <@bz> Ms2ger: thanks
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# [20:02] <Ms2ger> Np
# [20:02] <khuey> ehsan: not thrilled about this expat stuff
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# [20:02] <@ehsan> khuey: why is that?
# [20:02] <Ms2ger> Not thrilled by expat, period?
# [20:02] <khuey> it just scares me
# [20:02] <@ted> why is it any worse than anything else?
# [20:02] <@ehsan> khuey: is it more than just a bad feeling? ;)
# [20:02] <khuey> ehsan: not really
# [20:02] <@ehsan> cause I gotta tell you
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# [20:02] <@ehsan> I'm not feeling super myself ;)
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# [20:04] <@ted> Waldo: hah
# [20:04] <@ted> bz:
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# [20:04] <@ted> def f(x):
# [20:04] <khuey> ehsan: r+ all around
# [20:04] <@ted> er, you used f
# [20:04] <@ted> def foo(x):
# [20:04] <@ted> yield f(x)
# [20:04] <@ehsan> khuey: thanks
# [20:04] <@ted> yield g(x)
# [20:04] <glandium> jesup: ping
# [20:04] <@ehsan> khuey: ted: next stop is cairo+pixman
# [20:05] <jesup> glandium: pong
# [20:05] <@ted> bz: something like that
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# [20:05] <@ted> ehsan: oof
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# [20:05] <@ted> i feel like by the time wer'e done here "turn off PGO" would be a palatable option
# [20:05] <@ted> we're going to slice out all our PGO perf wins anyway
# [20:05] <glandium> jesup: about bug 750865, what was your mozconfig?
# [20:05] <gps> or we could change the C++ to use less templates :)
# [20:06] <@ehsan> ted: we'll be done very soon after this -- it's probably the last piece of code to take out
# [20:06] <Ms2ger> ted, and then [foo(x) for x in list]?
# [20:06] <@ehsan> ted: next we'll focus on getting win64 builders with 32-bit toolchain
# [20:06] <@ted> Ms2ger: yeah, but that doesn't quite work
# [20:06] <@ted> Ms2ger: i guess you really want
# [20:06] <khuey> that's what we should have been focusing on since december
# [20:06] <jlebar> Ms2ger, list(foo(x)) if he really needs a list...
# [20:07] <@ted> def foo(x): for i in x: yield f(x); yield g(x)
# [20:07] <jesup> glandium: since it was a try build, I (as a quick hack test) changed the default android version to 9 in configure.in.
# [20:07] <@ted> then list(foo(whatever))
# [20:07] <jlebar> Yeah.
# [20:07] <Ms2ger> Meh
# [20:07] <Ms2ger> I prefer my solution ;)
# [20:07] * jlebar likes the double loop comprehension too.
# [20:07] <@ehsan> bjacob: ping
# [20:07] <@ted> waldo's is clever
# [20:07] <glandium> jesup: yeah, so you basically hit a case where our build system allows you to shoot yourself in the foot
# [20:08] <jesup> glandium: ok, cool. How to I un-target my foot?
# [20:08] <glandium> jesup: basically, you say you build for android version 9, but the actual headers used are those from android 5
# [20:08] <@ted> Ms2ger: oh, didn't see yours
# [20:08] <@ted> clever
# [20:08] <jesup> Ah. That's not good.
# [20:08] <glandium> jesup: you need to change --with-android-platform too
# [20:08] <Ms2ger> Why thank you, kind sir :)
# [20:08] <glandium> jesup: because that's set in mozconfig
# [20:09] <jesup> Ok, thanks. Maybe this bug should morph into "fail if android versions don't match" (probably a 1-liner)
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# [20:09] <bjacob> ehsan: pong
# [20:09] <jesup> glandium: Trying to build with OpenSLES, which showed up in 9
# [20:10] <Ms2ger> jesup, build system, one liner?
# [20:10] <Ms2ger> You must be new here
# [20:10] <jesup> webrtc requires it.... (which is another issue)
# [20:10] <@ehsan> bjacob: what was the patch that you were talking about?
# [20:10] <Ms2ger> WebRTC is another issue, yes :)
# [20:10] <bjacob> ehsan: 749711
# [20:10] <jesup> Ms2ger: this one might be a one-liner... Since it's "if x != y fail!"
# [20:10] <derf> Ms2ger: Hey, I fixed my b2g issue with a one-line patch to the build system!
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# [20:11] <derf> Of course, it also required a one-line patch to the B2G toolchain, which required...
# [20:11] <Ms2ger> :)
# [20:12] <@ehsan> bjacob: is jgilbert around?
# [20:12] <Mook_as> list(itertools.chain(*[[x, x+0.5] for x in range(3)])) ?
# [20:12] <derf> Anyway, so... no approval process for m-c?
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# [20:13] <Ms2ger> Mook_as, r- :)
# [20:13] <@ehsan> derf: your code should not change anything in libxul on windows
# [20:13] <jesup> glandium: and I got tripped up by the test for platform to set the directory from version... didn't expect try to force the platform on me
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# [20:14] <bjacob> ehsan: not on irc apparently.
# [20:14] <sfink> [ i for l in [(x, x+0.5) for x in range(3) ] for i in l ]
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# [20:14] <@ehsan> bjacob: can you get somebody else to review it?
# [20:14] <glandium> derf: what problem do you have with the b2g toolchain?
# [20:14] <@ehsan> bjacob: the goal is to land this stuff asap
# [20:14] <bjacob> ehsan: not really, very specialized code
# [20:14] <bjacob> ehsan: i'll email him
# [20:15] <@ehsan> bjacob: can you call him? ;)
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# [20:16] <derf> glandium: It wasn't shipping some NDK files that I needed.
# [20:16] <derf> It's fixed now.
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# [20:16] <bjacob> ehsan: i'm not a lot into tracking people by phone, but i'll check if he put his number on phonebook
# [20:17] <derf> glandium: Bug 748448 if you're curious.
# [20:17] <jviereck> roc: hi. I was thinking about adding a `abort()` function to the PrintState that is passed to the mozPrintCallback. Calling this function will dismiss the printing process. For PDF.JS this is required if rendering one of the pages fails. What do you think about it?
# [20:17] <glandium> jesup: feel free to file a bug to error out when they don't match. I filed a bug about the mozconfig contents, we can change them.
# [20:17] <@ehsan> bjacob: that was a joke!
# [20:17] <bjacob> ehsan: oh, he did
# [20:17] <bjacob> oh ok
# [20:17] <@ehsan> bjacob: email is fine :)
# [20:17] <bjacob> i mean, i _have_ been tracked by phone for the bug that blocked the fx11 release
# [20:17] <@ehsan> hehe
# [20:17] <@ehsan> yeah
# [20:18] <@ehsan> bjacob: in the mean time maybe we can talk about what to do on top of this
# [20:18] <bjacob> ehsan: yep. coming in a minute.
# [20:18] <@ehsan> bjacob: I'll come over in a bit
# [20:18] <bjacob> ok
# [20:18] <@ehsan> bjacob: I'm busy ripping cairo out...
# [20:18] <bjacob> let's meet halfway
# [20:20] <khuey> moving cairo out sounds like it would hurt perf a lot ...
# [20:20] <glandium> ehsan: what's the plan for after ripping stuff out of libxul? win64 builders?
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# [20:21] <@ehsan> glandium: yes
# [20:22] <@ehsan> khuey: let's see if we can take that chance...
# [20:22] <khuey> ehsan: I'm going to want some perf #s before I r+ that one :-P
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# [20:25] <@ehsan> khuey: how about we do it retroactively, as in, backing it out if it does regress something?
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# [20:25] <@ehsan> khuey: remember we're talking about keeping the tree closed for one more day :(
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# [20:26] <glandium> ehsan: on the other hand, is ripping these out going to allow us to land big chunks of code?
# [20:26] <khuey> ehsan: well if people would stop checking in code we wouldn't have that problem!
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# [20:26] <@ehsan> khuey: so should we announce that the last version of firefox would be 14? ;)
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# [20:27] <khuey> ehsan: sgtm
# [20:27] <@ehsan> glandium: yes, how big? impossible to know
# [20:27] <derf> Then khuey could go home.
# [20:27] * @ehsan starts writing that email to dev-planning
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# [20:27] <@ehsan> and CCing some media people ;)
# [20:27] <khuey> I could finally stop sleeping under this desk
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# [20:27] <jlebar> /. will be so pleased
# [20:27] <@ehsan> yeah
# [20:27] <@ehsan> I live on pleasing people
# [20:27] <jimm> ehsan: are we still working on switching to 64-bit builders as well, or have we given up on that solution for some reason?
# [20:27] <jlebar> "Mozilla finally listens."
# [20:27] <glandium> ehsan: do you know how much RSS we saved so far?
# [20:27] <jdm> haha
# [20:27] <@ehsan> jimm: no, but that's longer term
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# [20:28] <bent> we could pretend to overflow at firefox 17
# [20:28] <Wes> jlebar: you took out the core leaks? awesome!
# [20:28] * Wes runs and ducks
# [20:28] <@ehsan> glandium: ~200megs perhaps?
# [20:28] <@ehsan> glandium: I'll get better numbers once the builds finish
# [20:28] <glandium> ehsan: not bad. what has been ripped out so far?
# [20:28] <@ehsan> glandium: cairo+pixman will probably be big
# [20:28] <@ehsan> hmm let's see
# [20:29] <@ehsan> libpng, libjpeg, expat, qcms, graphite
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# [20:30] <glandium> ehsan: i'm tempted to try https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750661#c7 for a mid-term solution
# [20:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3a2ef6a1efd6 - Armen Zambrano Gasparnian - Bug 748996 - talos_from_code.py needs to generate more detailed error messages. a=NPOTB DONTBUILD r=catlee
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# [20:30] <gregglind> can I url navigate to the newtab page? How can I affect / set that as home, for example
# [20:31] <glandium> gregglind: about:newtab
# [20:31] <khuey> glandium: how would that even work?
# [20:31] <Mossop> What APIs does tbpl use to pull its data these days?
# [20:31] <glandium> khuey: build pgoed static libs, and glue them together
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# [20:32] <@ehsan> glandium: I don't know enough about the build system to try that
# [20:32] <@ehsan> glandium: but I agree it's worth experimenting
# [20:32] <gregglind> glandium, I feel silly now :) thanks!
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# [20:33] <@ted> really
# [20:33] <@ted> the simple solution here is "stop building PGO on windows"
# [20:33] <@ted> which sucks because it hurts perf
# [20:33] <@ted> but it removes this arbitrary limitation
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# [20:33] <@ted> this is what chrome does
# [20:33] <khuey> glandium: can you use LTCG on static libs?
# [20:33] <glandium> khuey: yes
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# [20:33] * @ted wonders what the linker does if you LTCG a static lib then link it
# [20:34] <khuey> yeah, I'd be curious to know how that works
# [20:34] <glandium> ted: that's the main question
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# [20:35] <glandium> well, the pgoed static lib is still a static lib. it can link it as such
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# [20:35] <jesup> glandium: I see no reason why that wouldn't be a pretty good solution
# [20:35] <gaston> probably a dumb Q while you guys are working hard at shrinking libxul, but dont everything end up in libxul anyway ? the only libs i have on unix are mozalloc, xpcom and xul... or gkmedia is a splitted lib only on windows ?
# [20:36] <jesup> glandium: might lose a smidge on cross-static-lib calls (IIGC - If I Guess Correctly)
# [20:36] <glandium> jesup: i see one: msvc being too smart, like instead of actually doing LTCG, it could store linker instructions to make it LTCG when linking the static lib
# [20:36] <khuey> gaston: right
# [20:36] <derf> gaston: gkmedias is a separate DLL only on Windows.
# [20:36] <derf> And in fact, only Win32, IIRC.
# [20:36] <khuey> ted: honestly, maybe we should consider dropping PGO
# [20:37] <gaston> okay, i betterunderstand the issue now :)
# [20:37] <khuey> it'd certainly make the webrtc folks' lives easier
# [20:37] <khuey> and mine ;-)
# [20:37] <jesup> khuey: God yes :-)
# [20:37] <khuey> and ehsan's
# [20:37] <bent> can't we just get taras to rewrite PGO or something?
# [20:37] <derf> It makes everyone's lives easier.
# [20:37] <glandium> khuey: honestly, i don't see why we should put everything in one place, especially webrtc
# [20:37] <derf> Except those pesky users.
# [20:37] <jlebar> derf, They won't notice.
# [20:37] <@bz> hmm
# [20:37] <jesup> Though I suspect static-link-PGO might work as well (all in one lib in the end)
# [20:38] <jlebar> derf, 'specially if we speed up the tab strip. :-p
# [20:38] <@bz> what issues did webrtc run into?
# [20:38] <bent> they'll be too busy screaming about our large version number to care
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# [20:38] <@bz> users don't scream about version numbers
# [20:38] <glandium> bz: probably, exploding on pgo because of memory usage
# [20:38] <jesup> bz: need things like Mutex
# [20:38] <derf> bz: We need to use stuff from libxul, but want to keep most of the core code in gkmedias.
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# [20:38] <@bz> ah
# [20:38] <@bz> yeah, that sucks
# [20:38] <@bz> ok
# [20:39] <@bz> so if we did pgo on separate libs
# [20:39] <jesup> bz: and getting worse with the transport (ICE/etc) stuff ekr is doing
# [20:39] <derf> So now we have multiple incompatible copies of locking primitives, etc.
# [20:39] <bent> bz, ever read the comments on things like ars technica?
# [20:39] <glandium> derf: we already have several
# [20:39] <@bz> bent: those aren't users
# [20:39] <derf> glandium: Now we have more!
# [20:39] <@bz> bent: really
# [20:39] <glandium> derf: one more, one less, not much difference ;)
# [20:39] <@bz> bent: they're fanboys and anti-fanboys
# [20:40] <@bz> bent: a slightly different species
# [20:40] <@bz> bent: fanboys tend to decay into anti-fanboys, with a half life measured in months to maybe a few years
# [20:40] <@bz> hmm
# [20:40] <bent> maybe after a few more privacy violations they revert to fanboys?
# [20:40] * @bz wonders why Mutex is in libxul
# [20:41] <@bz> I guess it needs to link to other stuff?
# [20:41] <khuey> if a fanboy and an antifanboy meet do they annihilate each other?
# [20:41] <khuey> bz: it's in xpcom/
# [20:41] <@bz> because putting it in mfbt would make sense to me
# [20:41] <glandium> bz: you mean putting it entirely in headers?
# [20:41] <khuey> bz: it can't go in mfbt, because it depends on nspr
# [20:41] <@bz> khuey: when that happens you get production of energy in the form of flamewar
# [20:41] <jlebar> bz, Doesn't mutex rely on nspr locks?
# [20:41] <@bz> glandium: yes
# [20:41] <@bz> right, there we go
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# [20:41] <bent> shopping time!
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# [20:42] <@bz> why can't they just do what we mean, do it right, and not bother us with all these niggling issues?
# [20:42] <Mook_as> tell the fanboys/anti-fanboys/journalists/random bloggers to go do their performance measurements on win64 builds, where PGO isn't a problem? :P
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# [20:42] <@dbaron> bz, that's what humans are for :-)
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# [20:42] <@bz> khuey: but sadly, it's just an exothermic reaction that does not annihilate the reactants
# [20:42] <derf> Mook_as: Maybe if we shipped a win64 build of an actual release...
# [20:42] <jhammel|lunch> humans don't do that! silly...
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# [20:43] <@bz> khuey: which are then free to interact with other fanboys and antifanboys in the medium, and worse yet with users and developers
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# [20:52] <@bz> jesup: sure there is
# [20:53] <@bz> jesup: some work ends up not done
# [20:53] <@bz> jesup: and energy is work!
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# [20:54] <@smaug> do we have nightly debug builds somewhere ?
# [20:54] <Ms2ger> I think so
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# [21:03] <@bz> Ah, the common Web Specification Fallacy
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# [21:03] <glandium> smaug: we don't
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# [21:04] <Ms2ger> bz, which? :)
# [21:04] <@ted> glandium: we do, in fact
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# [21:05] <glandium> ted: they must be pretty well hidden then
# [21:05] <@bsmedberg> taras: do we have a "bool used as nsresult" analysis any more?
# [21:05] * @ted can't remember where
# [21:05] * @bsmedberg is refactoring hashtables to be infallible by default
# [21:05] <Ms2ger> \o/
# [21:05] <@ted> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2012/05/2012-05-02-mozilla-central-debug/
# [21:05] <jtcranmer> how about getting rid of old hashtable implementations? :-)
# [21:05] <gregglind> how deep can I go with browser window transparency? Suppose I am in a chrome tab, what do I do to make desktop show through?
# [21:05] * @ted would love it if hashtables had iterators
# [21:05] <@bsmedberg> and I've found many many cases where people are using nsresult rv = hash.Init();
# [21:05] <@ted> instead of callbacks
# [21:06] <khuey> bsmedberg: ha
# [21:06] <khuey> that's great
# [21:06] <Ms2ger> Also, unsurprising
# [21:06] <@bsmedberg> ted: that might be nice, but somebody would have to add it to pldhash and you'd have to be careful about assertions
# [21:06] <khuey> bsmedberg: I found several nsresult rv = comArray.AppendObject(foo) last I looked
# [21:06] <@bsmedberg> hah
# [21:06] <@bsmedberg> I've found at least 17 different cases of this already. It's a pandemic.
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# [21:07] <bent> nsCOMArray, y u no die?
# [21:07] <khuey> bsmedberg: might be the first time nsCOMArray wasn't as COMy as expected
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# [21:07] <Mook_as> gregglind: you'd need to unset the default background-color on the tabbrowser, or something along those lines, I think?
# [21:07] <@bz> Ms2ger: We need to add feature X to spec Y so we can use it to work around the bugs in UA implementations of feature Z from spec W
# [21:07] <Ms2ger> Ah, yes
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# [21:07] <glandium> bsmedberg, khuey: for C++ code, we could probably hard fail when compiling
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# [21:07] <gcp> taras: you should enable HTTP pipelining :P
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# [21:08] <@bsmedberg> glandium: ooh, how?
# [21:08] <glandium> gcp: does that still break plenty of sites?
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> struct nsresult?
# [21:08] <@bsmedberg> oh, that's pretty invasive
# [21:08] <glandium> bsmedberg: by changing nsresult
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# [21:08] <gcp> glandium: apparently not. b2g and fennec enable it.
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# [21:09] <gcp> glandium: so does opera.
# [21:09] <Ms2ger> Possibly only for --enable-debug
# [21:09] <glandium> great... i can't reproduce the crashes i get on try
# [21:09] <gregglind> Mook_as, thanks! I will try that.
# [21:09] <gcp> reading through the bug, it's hard to find a reason why it's disabled except for "because firefox"
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# [21:09] <gcp> bursts of activity by people intent on fixing it "the right way"
# [21:10] <gcp> sad state of affairs really
# [21:10] <Mook_as> gregglind: IIRC, it was set to be not-transparent because otherwise it was slower for <something>
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# [21:10] <glandium> gcp: i think the reason is something along the line "because last time we tried, it was a massive failure"
# [21:10] <gcp> which begs the question, why did we enable it on mobile, if we didn't think it was good enough for desktop
# [21:10] <glandium> gcp: arguably, last time was a long time ago
# [21:10] <derf> Because we don't have any users on mobile.
# [21:10] <gregglind> ha! Mook_as, I am familiar with <something>. Luckily for ui demos, performance isn't a huge deal :)
# [21:10] <gcp> right, so let's enable it :P
# [21:10] <gcp> derf: apparently Safari and Android Browser do it.
# [21:10] <glandium> gcp: also, what derf says.
# [21:10] <Mook_as> gcp: the broken sites are probably not the sort of sites that are new enough to be targeted at mobile
# [21:10] <gcp> derf: they have users :)
# [21:11] <gcp> what broken sites?
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# [21:12] <gcp> It's just a really strange situation. We enable it on our Two Most Important Projects (ahem), but disable on Desktop because we're worried it breaks stuff.
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# [21:12] <khuey> gcp: well when your Most Important Projects have no users to break ...
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# [21:13] <gaston> hmm smooth scrolling is really nice here
# [21:13] <@bz> gcp: which "it"?
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# [21:13] <mbrubeck> pipelining
# [21:13] <@bz> ah
# [21:13] <@bz> so there are reasons why
# [21:13] <@bz> in fact
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# [21:13] <gcp> I'm guessing this subject comes up every year.
# [21:14] <@bz> first of all, it's a much bigger win on mobile than desktop
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# [21:14] <@bz> so even if the risk of breakage is the same, the tradeoff is not
# [21:14] <glandium> because of 3g latency, i guess
# [21:14] <@bz> right
# [21:15] <@bz> pipelining wins more as product of bandwidth and latency increases
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# [21:15] <@bz> so high bandwidth and high latency is where it wins most
# [21:15] <gcp> sounds like a typical broadband connection nowadays :P
# [21:15] <@bz> like a typical _phone_ connection?
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# [21:15] <glandium> from quick research, it seems some versions of IIS, some Apache modules, and some transparent proxies break pipelining in different ways
# [21:16] <@bz> on landline broadband...
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# [21:16] <@bz> 64 bytes from 63.245.217.105: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=93.980 ms
# [21:16] <glandium> one of which is "returns garbled data"
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# [21:16] <@bz> so that's item one
# [21:16] <@bz> item 2 is that the most common reason pipelining fails is broken transparent proxies
# [21:17] <@bz> some of these sit at the server
# [21:17] <@bz> but other sit at the client
# [21:17] <jlebar> gcp, fwiw, I believe Opera has a blacklist.
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# [21:17] <Waldo> that's racist :-P
# [21:17] <jlebar> gcp, IOW, it's not a simple matter of turning it on, but a matter of maintaining that list.
# [21:17] <Mook_as> Mozilla also has a blacklist for some servers, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/protocol/http/nsHttpConnection.cpp#675
# [21:17] <@ted> khuey: when we first enabled it, PGO was like 10% on most of our talos benchmarks
# [21:17] <@bz> So any time you're using a different last-mile on the client, that can change the risk tradeoffs
# [21:17] <jlebar> Waldo, perhaps "faillist" would be better.
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# [21:17] <gcp> fair enough
# [21:17] <@bz> We have not yet found any cell networks that break pipelining
# [21:18] <Waldo> sucktasticlist
# [21:18] <@bz> of course if you're using your phone over wifi you have the same risks as a browser
# [21:18] <gcp> I'm pretty sure it helps load that the default Android browser also enables it.
# [21:18] <@bz> anyway
# [21:18] <@bz> right
# [21:18] <@bz> exactly
# [21:18] <@bz> that's the other part
# [21:18] <gcp> We don't have to care much if we break those sites.
# [21:18] <@bz> that both makes not enabling it hurt more
# [21:18] <@bz> and reduces the risk of breakage
# [21:18] <@bz> both in terms of how likely it is and how likely users are to abandon us for it
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# [21:19] <glandium> it seems desktop chrome is enabling it in version 17
# [21:19] <khuey> ted: yeah, I think we might be able to eat 10%
# [21:19] <khuey> depending on which benchmarks
# [21:19] <gcp> prolly also with a blacklist? google is good at gathering those
# [21:19] <gcp> lack of this kind of info could come to haunt us at some point
# [21:19] <glandium> khuey, ted: iirc it's 20% on some benchmarks
# [21:19] <khuey> yeah, that worries me more
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# [21:20] <Ms2ger> "Firefox copies Chrome, drops PGO"
# [21:20] <khuey> ted: note that we're not PGOing JS so we've already backed off a bit
# [21:20] <khuey> Ms2ger: opera did it first
# [21:20] <@bz> blacklist would help the server-side bustage, not the client-side
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# [21:20] <glandium> Ms2ger: they didn't drop PGO, they never were able to use it
# [21:20] <@bz> glandium: do you recall which ones?
# [21:20] <glandium> bz: not off hand
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# [21:20] <@bz> glandium: it's possible that just doing pgo on gklayout would be good enough for benchmarks
# [21:21] <@bz> glandium: as long as we link the binding code into it
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# [21:21] <@bz> glandium: (so quickstubs and paris bindings)
# [21:21] <Ms2ger> static const nsIAtom* voidElements[] = { nsGkAtoms::area, ... }
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# [21:21] <glandium> bz: is the binding code in gklayout currently?
# [21:21] <@bz> Ms2ger: it doesn't
# [21:21] <@bz> Ms2ger: well, it can
# [21:21] <@ted> khuey: true, but that ought to matter less because of JIT
# [21:21] <@bz> Ms2ger: is that in a function or at toplevel?
# [21:21] <Ms2ger> It's in this patch!
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> In a function
# [21:22] <@bz> Ms2ger: then as long as nsGkAtoms is inited before the function runs it will work
# [21:22] <glandium> khuey: btw, why aren't we pgoing js?
# [21:22] <khuey> "gklayout" doesn't exist anymore
# [21:22] <glandium> khuey: it still does
# [21:23] <@bz> uh
# [21:23] <@bz> our tabstrip is just broken
# [21:23] <@bz> I just tore off a tab into a new window
# [21:23] <@bz> and that new window shows no tabs in the tabstrip
# [21:23] <@bz> just shows a content area
# [21:23] * @bz tries to reproduce
# [21:23] <glandium> khuey: toolkit/library/Makefile.in doesn't directly list all the libs
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# [21:23] <khuey> glandium: it's a very long story
# [21:23] <@bz> totally reliable
# [21:23] <khuey> (about why we're not PGOing js)
# [21:24] <@bz> glandium: in short, we _think_ pgo was generating buggy code
# [21:24] <glandium> khuey: but i wonder if it doesn't come from where js was in xul
# [21:24] <Waldo> bz: next step in UI slimming
# [21:24] <@bz> but a clean profile doesn't have this behavior
# [21:24] <@bz> so what gives?
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# [21:24] <glandium> aaaah i remember that
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# [21:27] <@ted> glandium: it was originally that then we left it off cause the JS guys complained la la
# [21:27] <@ted> and it just never got fixed
# [21:28] <khuey> well, it got accidentally turned off
# [21:28] <@ted> yes
# [21:28] <khuey> and they objected to turning it back on
# [21:28] <@ted> we should just fix taht
# [21:28] <khuey> no
# [21:28] <khuey> we should turn off PGO entirely ;-)
# [21:28] <@ted> hah
# [21:28] <@ted> okay fine whatever!
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# [21:28] <khuey> so that we don't have to play firedrill every 4 months
# [21:28] <catlee> google did!
# [21:28] * @ted spent lots of time making that work back in the firefox 3 cycle :'-(
# [21:28] <rillian> have we measured the performance penalty of splitting things into gkmedias?
# [21:28] <@ted> they never turned it on in the first place
# [21:28] <khuey> nah google never turned it back on
# [21:28] <khuey> er
# [21:28] <khuey> turned it on
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# [21:29] <@ted> i think they use templates a lot more than we do
# [21:29] <@ted> and that blows out the compiler's memory usage
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# [21:29] <jfkthame> khuey: won't turning off PGO basically give us the existing "win opt" builds? in which case we already have talos data for them
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# [21:30] <khuey> jfkthame: do we run talos on those?
# [21:30] * khuey didn't think we did
# [21:30] * @bz senses a movie called "Templatize This" coming on
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# [21:30] <jfkthame> see tbpl
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# [21:30] <khuey> jfkthame: interesting
# [21:30] <jfkthame> looks like PGO gives us about a 15% win on Tp, for example
# [21:30] <zzzzz> I've been using non-PGO builds for months, i.e. hourly builds, and personally from an end-user point of view I see no slow-downs other that what is already known, and being worked on, - slow UI in Chrome
# [21:31] <khuey> jfkthame: :-/
# [21:31] <mbrubeck> ehsan: FWIW, I triggered PGO builds on 8c8e5e2631be and 4bb0aa38c2d4 on inbound to see if we can narrow the regression range for the sudden jump there.
# [21:31] <jlebar> zzzzz, If you've been using non-PGO builds for months, how would you notice a relative slow-down?
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# [21:32] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: ok, please let me know what you find out
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# [21:32] <Waldo> bz: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19838828.jpg
# [21:32] <philor> we should just switch to running tfeelsfast
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# [21:32] <mbrubeck> of course, even if we find an exact changeset for the regression and back it out, there's no guarantee that some unrelated changeset won't have the same effect later. :/
# [21:33] <zzzzz> jlebar because I used to test Nightly builds w/PGO then jump to the next hourly that contained a patch I thought I would like to test out, just jumping between the two builds, and never noticed a bit of difference
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# [21:33] <jfkthame> khuey: wouldn't hurt to look at more examples, but i've compared the graphs in the past and the PGO builds definitely win (by varying amounts, usually 10-15%ish) on a number of the tests
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# [21:35] <@ted> jfkthame: that matches with my (admittedly distant) memories
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# [21:35] * @bz still thinks we should try doing pgo on just gklayout
# [21:35] <@bz> and seeing where that gets us
# [21:36] <glandium> bz: that's what i've been saying all along
# [21:36] <jfkthame> yeah, that'd definitely be interesting to try
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# [21:36] <evilpie_> so who claimed that removing e4x is desperate? it is awesome
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# [21:37] <@ted> i would guess that it helps greatly anyplace we have an XPCOM virtual clusterfuck
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# [21:38] <glandium> i'll find some time tomorrow to test it
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# [21:39] <billm> did anything change about how to run xpcshell tests locally? I'm getting an error about "No module named mozinfo"
# [21:39] <gregglind> in the Cc/Cu mindset, how do I get at: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/modules/NewTabUtils.jsm
# [21:40] <@bz> ted: yes, but most of that stuff isn't on hot paths anymore
# [21:40] <@ted> interesting
# [21:40] <@ted> billm: there's a bug, i think the fix made it to m-c today
# [21:40] <@bz> ted: at least I certainly hope so!
# [21:41] <@ted> bz: yeah, dunno
# [21:41] <@ted> 15% is a pretty big number
# [21:41] <@bz> sure
# [21:41] <billm> ted: ah, ok. thanks.
# [21:41] <@bz> my point was that we should see what the 15% becomes if we only do pgo on gklayout
# [21:41] <@smaug> hmm, if I change a const in .idl, should I update the uuid?
# [21:41] <@bz> smaug: imo, no
# [21:41] <gps> billm, ted: bug 750368
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# [21:45] <glandium> bz: i think we can still reasonably do pgo on more than gklayout. we just can't do it on xul. The other question is how much memory would it take to pgo gklayout. And the first question is: does lib.exe -ltcg actually do pgo, or just record instructions for final linkage?
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# [21:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b0200dab0ccc - Ehsan Akhgari - Backout the latest merge from fx-team because of Ts regressions (no bug)
# [21:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4abdadacbe84 - Ehsan Akhgari - Merge backout; a=me
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# [21:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c9e68a3cb207 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 748764 - LoadlibraryEx and quoted string fix for service. r=rstrong, a=ehsan.
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# [21:51] <rail> espindola: hey, I've started deploying the new version of clang. when do you want me to apply the second patch to remove the old version?
# [21:52] <espindola> rail, I just have to do a try run
# [21:52] <espindola> maybe decoder will want to do one too
# [21:52] <rail> no rush, just wanted to add a reminder for myself :)
# [21:52] <espindola> rail, when do you think the push will be available on try?
# [21:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3774bcaeaab0 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 751316 - Update mozautolog repo in CI bootstrap script, a=npotb,test-only
# [21:53] <rail> espindola: by the end of PT day I hope
# [21:54] <espindola> so about 3 am in here?
# [21:54] <espindola> I can do a push first thing tomorrow morning then
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# [21:55] <jesup> billm: (mccr8 said to tell you): 566 tabs in 5 windows. 8 tabs loaded (just restarted). 750ms GC times. 570MB explicit, 614MB resident (Aurora from 4/13, note). Restarted with brand-new AUrora (5/2), and similar: 664ms GC with 6 tabs loaded, 475MB explicit, 520MB resident. Athlon 960? quad 3.xGHz, 4GB (3GB usable) WinXP
# [21:55] <rail> espindola: yeah, tomorrow morning for sure
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# [21:56] <espindola> cool
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# [21:58] <taras> gcp: funny man
# [21:58] <taras> bsmedberg: mwu's tool might be able to do that easily
# [21:58] <jesup> billm: aha... GC isn't the only culprit; sessionstore.js is up over 20MB again
# [21:58] <taras> bsmedberg: one he used for prbool->bool
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# [21:59] <@ehsan> ted: can you review a patch?
# [21:59] <@ehsan> khuey|away is away
# [22:00] <@ted> i suppose
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# [22:00] <@ehsan> ted: bug 751273
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# [22:03] <decoder> rail: woho \o/ ill give the new version a try then =)
# [22:04] <rail> yes!
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# [22:09] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: is LoadLibrary("libname.dll") always insecure in our codebase?
# [22:09] <@ted> i thought we fixed that
# [22:09] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: no, it's secure in firefox.exe and plugin-container.exe
# [22:09] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: and only there
# [22:09] <@bsmedberg> ok
# [22:09] <@ehsan> well
# [22:10] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: webappruntime also?
# [22:10] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: it's not secure in plugin-container for the short duration where we call LoadLibrary to load the plugin...
# [22:10] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I don't know about webappruntime
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# [22:12] <@bsmedberg> bjacob: does gfx.angle.egl.path specifiy the full path including the filename, or just the directory name?
# [22:12] <bjacob> bsmedberg: just the directory name
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# [22:12] <bjacob> bsmedberg: looking at the source code, it seems to expect it to end with a slash/backslash
# [22:12] <@bsmedberg> bjacob: I don't think so, nsIFile takes care of that
# [22:12] <bjacob> bjacob: ah ok
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# [22:22] <romaxa> bsmedberg: ping, check plz XRE_API for embedding
# [22:24] <@smaug> jesup: just curious, when you saw bad gc times, what kinds of cc times did you get ?
# [22:25] <jesup> smaug: 31 or 47ms, depending
# [22:27] <@smaug> a bit high
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# [22:27] <@smaug> but not horrible
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# [22:31] <jesup> smaug: CC(T+2453.2) duration: 31ms, suspected: 187, visited: 6026 RCed and 809 GCed, collected: 61 RCed and 5 GCed (66 waiting for GC) ForgetSkippable 163 times before CC, min: 15 ms, max: 78 ms, avg: 16 ms, total: 2647 ms, removed: 18646
# [22:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/24a6a53c714a - Ehsan Akhgari - Backout the merge from fx-team because of Ts regressions (no bug)
# [22:31] <decoder> rail: espindola: /tools/clang-3.0-r155417.moz0/bin/clang is the correct path?
# [22:32] <rail> decoder: yes: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/puppet-manifests/rev/9585e09020c1#l1.22
# [22:32] <@bz> do we have any sort of eta on reopening?
# [22:32] <espindola> decoder, /tools/clang-3.0-r155417.moz0/bin/clang yes
# [22:33] <decoder> hm
# [22:33] <decoder> i get failure on 32 bit
# [22:33] <decoder> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/decoder@own-hero.net-347815ae4410/try-linux64-debug/try-linux64-debug-bm14-try1-build6073.txt.gz
# [22:33] <espindola> I don't think it is on the try yet...
# [22:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a2a7e9f92fbe - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 738641 - Account for rounding errors when reporting page size from JS to Java. r=Cwiiis a=android-only
# [22:33] <decoder> oh, 64 bit even
# [22:33] <rail> let me check
# [22:33] <decoder> espindola: oh, I thought it was on try already
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# [22:33] <jesup> smaug: (small stuff removed) GC(T+2588.3) Total Time: 668.5ms, Compartments Collected: 606, Total Compartments: 606, MMU (20ms): 0%, MMU (50ms): 0%, Reason: MAYBEGC, Nonincremental Reason: GC mode, Allocated: 102MB, +Chunks: 2, -Chunks: 1 ---- Totals: Mark: 491.4ms, Sweep: 167.1ms, Sweep Compartments: 100.9ms, Sweep Shape: 24.2ms, Discard Analysis: 34.5ms
# [22:33] <espindola> decoder, rail just started pushing it
# [22:34] <decoder> ok. then i probably just got it wrong
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# [22:34] * decoder will wait patiently then :D
# [22:34] <rail> yeah, that slave got it installed now, uptime 3mins
# [22:34] <decoder> just let me know when i should retry
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# [22:35] <rail> tomorrow morning for sure :)
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# [22:36] <@roc> why not just render the page as a big red cross or something and carry on printing other pages?
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# [22:37] <decoder> rail: cool =D
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# [22:37] <decoder> thanks for that
# [22:37] <rail> np
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# [22:38] <@bz> gah
# [22:38] <@bz> if I open a link in a new window, the url bar doens't work right
# [22:38] <@bz> wtf?
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# [22:41] <NeilAway> bent: actually nsCOMArray is safer at holding refcounted objects than nsTArray is
# [22:41] <khuey> ehsan: indeed
# [22:41] <taras> khuey: are we gonna get rid of skipping function pointer too?
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# [22:41] <@ehsan> ?
# [22:41] <khuey> ehsan: "khuey|away is away"
# [22:41] <taras> khuey: while on the subject of sacred optimizations
# [22:41] <@ehsan> khuey: heh
# [22:41] <khuey> taras: idk, should we ocnsider it?
# [22:41] <taras> khuey: yes..chrome also doesnt have that optimization
# [22:42] <@bz> taras: what's it hurting?
# [22:42] <bent> NeilAway, safer than... an nsTArray that doesn't store nsCOMPtr?
# [22:42] <taras> bz: stacks
# [22:42] <@bz> taras: in what situations?
# [22:42] <taras> bz: cant do chromehang and inbrowser profiling tools
# [22:42] <@bz> taras: I guess profiling in opt builds
# [22:42] <@bz> right
# [22:43] <NeilAway> bent: I see you won't understand me unless I type it out in full...
# [22:43] <taras> bz: chrome team has some record of debugging crashes
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# [22:43] <NeilAway> bent: actually nsCOMArray<nsIFoo> is safer at holding refcounted objects than nsTArray<nsCOMPtr<nsIFoo> > is
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> bent, out-of-range
# [22:43] <NeilAway> bent: better now?
# [22:43] <taras> by inserting stack-capturing into code that leads to a crash that they cant reproduce
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# [22:43] <taras> bz: we can't do anything like that
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> bent, null vs garbage
# [22:43] <@bz> taras: hmm
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# [22:44] <bent> NeilAway, yeah, i figured that's what you meant
# [22:44] <@bz> taras: what does that give that breakpad does not?
# [22:44] <NeilAway> good
# [22:44] <taras> bz: capturing stuff that hasn't crashed yet
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# [22:44] <bent> NeilAway, you're saying it's safer why?
# [22:44] <taras> bz: sometimes by the time we crash it's too late
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# [22:45] <NeilAway> bent: because nsTArray calls destructors while the array is in an unsafe state
# [22:45] <@bz> taras: ah, I see
# [22:45] <taras> anyway, it's a convoluted usecase, but it's something they have and we don't
# [22:45] <@bz> taras: so like an opt-mode assert
# [22:45] <NeilAway> bent: sorry, s/destructors/release, possibly invoking destructors/
# [22:45] <@bz> taras: makes snse
# [22:47] <dao> ehsan: you probably want to reland bug 747919 if you don't want the tree to be orange more frequently
# [22:47] <bent> NeilAway, if they array can mutate based on destructors then the owner should just fix it
# [22:47] <bent> imo
# [22:47] <@ehsan> dao: was that just a test fix?
# [22:47] <dao> ehsan: that patch actually landed on mozilla-central separately
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# [22:47] <NeilAway> bent: you're containing random objects. Who owns them?
# [22:48] <@bz> NeilAway: random objects?
# [22:48] <@ehsan> dao: ok, I
# [22:48] <@bz> NeilAway: where?
# [22:48] <@ehsan> dao: I'll reland that
# [22:48] <bent> i mean whoever calls the nsTArray function that does this
# [22:48] <@ehsan> dao: thanks for bringing that up!
# [22:48] <@bz> oh, I see
# [22:48] <bent> RemoveElement, Clear, whatever
# [22:48] <@bz> hmm
# [22:48] <@bz> that seems like a bug in nsTArray
# [22:48] <@bz> to me
# [22:48] <philor> ehsan: but did you only back out https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/309a40ba4906 ?
# [22:49] <philor> because, fine, back that out :)
# [22:49] <Ms2ger> smontagu, he was asking if --disable-universalchardet should be removed
# [22:49] <NeilAway> bent: sure, but normal users don't have the issue, because they know what they're containing
# [22:49] <dao> ehsan: also, if you reland various patches, please don't do it as a gigantic backout of a backout, since it messes up blame
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# [22:49] <smontagu> Ms2ger: if the option should no longer exist?
# [22:50] <philor> I think it landed on m-c, landed on fx-team, got backed out of fx-team, maybe landed on fx-team again, merged some air
# [22:50] <NeilAway> bent: once you write nsTArray<nsCOMPtr<, you can't make the same guarantees
# [22:50] <Ms2ger> smontagu, yes
# [22:50] <@ehsan> dao: we tried to make hg remerge on #fx-team but failed to do so :/
# [22:50] <@ehsan> philor: not sure what you mean
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# [22:51] <philor> ehsan: now you're burning inbound, worry about that instead
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# [22:51] <@ehsan> ok
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# [22:51] <@ehsan> hmm is hg down?
# [22:52] <bent> NeilAway, hm, i'd still blame the owner, i think
# [22:52] <bent> NeilAway, but that's something we could fix if we wanted
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# [22:53] <philor> dao: I don't see it actually getting backed out in https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/24a6a53c714a, but I don't have a tree here to pull and check
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# [22:56] <dao> philor: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/browser/devtools/layoutview/test/browser_layoutview.js agrees
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# [23:02] <froydnj> ted++
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# [23:03] <@ehsan> khuey: ted: ping
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# [23:03] <khuey> ehsan: pong
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# [23:04] <@ehsan> khuey: /builds/slave/m-in-lnx-dbg/build/config/rules.mk:745: *** SHARED_LIBRARY_LIBS must contain .a files only.
# [23:04] <@ehsan> khuey: do you know what this means?
# [23:04] <khuey> glandium: ^
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# [23:05] <@ted> not...sure
# [23:05] <billm> jesup: do you have the memchaser addon installed?
# [23:05] <@ehsan> khuey: ted: how can I print out a make variable?
# [23:05] <khuey> ehsan: make echo-variable-FOO
# [23:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c798e1ea15b4 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 749305 - Change favicons on pageshow rather than DOMContentLoaded. r=mfinkle a=android-only
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# [23:06] <glandium> ehsan: it means you have something that is not a library in SHARED_LIBRARY_LIBS
# [23:06] <@ehsan> khuey: I get the same error :(
# [23:06] <@ehsan> glandium: ok how can I know what it is?
# [23:07] <glandium> ehsan: comment the $(error) and try again the echo-variable
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# [23:08] <espindola> rail-brb, so the new puppet manifest installs *and* removes clang on os X? :-)
# [23:08] <@ehsan> hsan@teenux:~/moz/mozilla-inbound/obj-ff-dbg/layout/media$ make echo-variable-MOZ_CAIRO_LIBS
# [23:08] <@ehsan> ../../gfx/cairo/cairo/src/libmozcairo.a ../../gfx/cairo/libpixman/src/libmozlibpixman.a -lXrender -lfreetype -lfontconfig
# [23:08] <@ehsan> glandium: ^
# [23:09] <espindola> should we pass the revision in clang_create_dmg.sh?
# [23:09] <glandium> ehsan: the -l stuff needs to go in DSO_LDOPTS
# [23:09] <@ehsan> ah
# [23:09] <glandium> EXTRA_DSO_LDOPTS even
# [23:09] <@ehsan> wait
# [23:09] <@ehsan> how did this ever work?
# [23:09] <Bas> joe khuey ehsan: Indeed, dinner was more accurate. Here now :)
# [23:10] <@ehsan> oh right
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# [23:10] <@ehsan> glandium: toolkit/library/Makefile.in uses EXTRA_DSO_LDOPTS for this
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# [23:10] <@ehsan> glandium: which is why it worked
# [23:10] <@ehsan> Bas: unping
# [23:10] <@ehsan> khuey: mystery solved
# [23:10] <Bas> ehsan: Ok :)
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# [23:11] <Bas> khuey catlee ted: I think PGO is a good thing, I think we should just split up our libraries more cleverly, I really think PGO would give much more win than the loss of splitting stuff into 2 or 3 libraries.
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# [23:11] <@ted> not sure
# [23:11] <@ted> lots of the win of PGO is from cross-module inlining etc
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# [23:12] <@ehsan> ted: ok wanna review a new version of the cairo patch? ;)
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# [23:12] <Bas> ted: Doesn't a lot come from things like de-virtualization and such as well?
# [23:12] <rail-brb> espindola: yeah :)
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# [23:12] <@ted> Bas: probably
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# [23:12] <@ted> the more you put in another lib, the less it can do
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# [23:12] <@ted> ehsan: not really!
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# [23:12] <@ted> :-P
# [23:13] <Bas> ted: Fair enough, but there's still a lot it -can- do :)
# [23:13] <@ted> sure
# [23:13] <joe> jrmuizel: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596493
# [23:13] <@ted> not sure what's going on
# [23:13] <@ehsan> ted: oh, thank you, bug 751273 :P
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# [23:13] <@ehsan> ted: (a single line change)
# [23:13] <Bas> khuey ehsan joe ted: Fwiw, I think we could split up gfx into a separate module pretty easily, or at least parts of it, and I seriously think the cost would be minimal.
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# [23:13] <Bas> Azure+Skia, for one.
# [23:13] <@ehsan> Bas: it would be great if you do that :)
# [23:13] <Bas> qcms and cairo too.
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# [23:13] <@ehsan> I am *not* signing up for that
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# [23:13] <khuey> Bas: you think the cost of making every call into gfx stuff effectively virtual would be minimal?
# [23:14] <@ehsan> Bas: qcms and cairo are out already
# [23:14] <glandium> ehsan: that's going to break non windows
# [23:14] <Bas> ehsan: Hrm, really? Cairo is out?
# [23:14] <@ehsan> khuey: they won't be virtual calls, just thunked calls
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# [23:14] <@ehsan> glandium: what?
# [23:14] <khuey> on the assembly level its the same thing, no?
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# [23:14] <Bas> khuey: Also, considering the cost of the average gfx call, yes, I think we're talking <1%
# [23:14] <glandium> ehsan: the extra dso ldopts from gkmedia won't get to libxul
# [23:14] <khuey> "grab function pointer from given place, jump to it"
# [23:14] <@ehsan> khuey: nope, virtual function calls involve a memory dereference, thunks involve only a jmp
# [23:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e3a1a5c1aaa4 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 750734 - Ensure view is focused when showing virtual keyboard. r=cpeterson a=android-only
# [23:14] <@ehsan> much much cheaper
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# [23:15] <Bas> ehsan: Doesn't it need to look at the relocation table?
# [23:15] <@ehsan> glandium: that's the goal!
# [23:15] <khuey> ehsan: how does that work when the location can vary?
# [23:15] <khuey> ehsan: what Bas said
# [23:15] <@ehsan> Bas: only once when the DLL is loaded
# [23:15] <glandium> ehsan: gkmedia is a separate lib on windows only
# [23:15] <Bas> Hrm, fair enough I suppose.
# [23:15] <@ehsan> khuey: the loader fills in the relocation table with jmp instructions
# [23:15] <khuey> ah
# [23:15] <khuey> neat
# [23:15] <@ehsan> glandium: ok
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# [23:16] <Bas> Especially once we're on azure, the cairo state changing nonsense is a bit low-body stuff where function call overhead could be relevant. In Azure there's no non-inlined low-body function calls.
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# [23:16] <@ehsan> glandium: (fwiw I'm building on linux now)
# [23:16] <Bas> So function call overhead should always be negligable.
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# [23:16] <@ehsan> Bas: ah, can you rip out azure please? :)
# [23:17] <Bas> ehsan: See #gfx right before you said that ;)
# [23:17] <Bas> ehsan: fwiw, Azure is -not- a lot of code :(
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# [23:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e1bd646b8f44 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 747419: Optimize TabsTray rows inflation using ViewHolder pattern [r=lucasr, a=android-only]
# [23:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/218a34d41e5b - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 750349: Recycle Listener for TabsTray. [r=mfinkle, a=android-only]
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# [23:17] <glandium> ehsan: I would be surprised if it works
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# [23:18] <@ehsan> glandium: I'll let you know in a few mins
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# [23:21] <armenzg> ehsan: I run out of time today. I will have the machine ready for you in the morning
# [23:21] <@bz> tree
# [23:21] <@bz> y u no open?
# [23:21] <@ehsan> armenzg: ok
# [23:21] <khuey> BECAUSE PGO
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# [23:21] <@ehsan> bz: sorry, doing my best to open it
# [23:21] <@bz> ehsan: it was mostly a joke
# [23:21] <@ehsan> bz: current estimate is tonight, if I get reviews etc in time
# [23:21] <froydnj> "sheriff closes tree...forgets to reopen it"
# [23:21] * Waldo also is rather anticipatory :-)
# [23:21] <@bz> ehsan: ah, you only have try pushes for your stuff so far?
# [23:21] <armenzg> ehsan: did prioritization help?
# [23:21] <@ehsan> somebody should make a meme about the PGO disaster
# [23:21] <Waldo> scumbag sheriff, shurely
# [23:22] <@ehsan> bz: nah, using inbound as my personal try
# [23:22] <Waldo> ehsan: you haven't been reading mozillamemes lately, have you :-)
# [23:22] <@bz> ehsan: I'd thought you'd already landed it on inbound/m-c
# [23:22] <@bz> oh
# [23:22] <@bz> ok
# [23:22] <armenzg> lol
# [23:22] <@ehsan> armenzg: I still see pending windows builds from time to time
# [23:22] <@bz> so it's on inbound, but future-review?
# [23:22] <@ehsan> armenzg: but I'm also doing local PGO build
# [23:22] <@ehsan> which take only about 2 hours
# [23:22] <@ehsan> bz: what is "it"? I have landed a bunch of stuff
# [23:22] <armenzg> ehsan: we are short on Windows machine for current load
# [23:22] <armenzg> in general
# [23:22] <@ehsan> bz: I'm landing reviewed but mostly untested patches ;)
# [23:23] <mayhemer__> how can I get m-c approval? (no flag in bugzilla) , security bug, adds a little bit of code
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# [23:23] <armenzg> I will try to look into the infra tomorrow as well
# [23:23] <@ehsan> mayhemer__: does your patch touch libxul in windows?
# [23:23] <armenzg> and see if I can unblock any machines
# [23:24] <@ehsan> armenzg: ok thanks
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# [23:24] <@ehsan> glandium: so my patch failed on linux :(
# [23:25] <NeilAway> bz: for an http(s) URL, is url.resolve("/favicon.ico") going to result in the same as url.prePath + "/favicon.ico" ?
# [23:25] <@ehsan> glandium: basically none of the cairo symbols are found :(
# [23:25] <@ehsan> glandium: do you know what I need to do?
# [23:25] <mayhemer__> ehsan: it adds some code PSM, that links to libxul, so probably ye
# [23:25] <mayhemer__> s
# [23:25] <@ehsan> mayhemer__: a- then
# [23:25] <@ehsan> :/
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# [23:26] <mayhemer__> ehsan: understand
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# [23:27] <@ehsan> glandium: khuey: I guess I can split out MOZ_CAIRO_LIBS into two variables, and put the -l stuff in some other variable
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# [23:29] <Bas> ehsan: So I know what symbols it's missing and it makes sense. Could you explain (or point at something) real quick that tells me how to make our build system compile gfx2d into some other module?
# [23:29] <Bas> (or its own DLL, I don't really care)
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# [23:31] <Bas> ehsan: Also, your cairo symbol head-ache might be related to the weird symbol redefining/naming scheme we use for cairo.
# [23:32] <Bas> ted: Where's gkmedia linked?
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# [23:32] <khuey> Bas: layout/media
# [23:33] <@bz> 6abort: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
# [23:33] <@bz> That's not a good sign
# [23:33] <@bz> (that's me trying to pull inbound)
# [23:33] <khuey> zimbra?
# [23:34] <mbrubeck> hg.m.o is having some issues; it's not totally dead though
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# [23:35] <glandium> ehsan: yeah, that's what you need to do, separate the libs and the -l stuff
# [23:36] <catlee> it's pining
# [23:36] <glandium> ehsan: although, i'm not sure what the variable looks like on windows
# [23:36] <glandium> ehsan: (there's no -l on windows)
# [23:36] <@ehsan> glandium: on windows it only includes the static lib names
# [23:36] <@ehsan> glandium: really linux is the only offender here (you'll see in my patch :)
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# [23:37] <glandium> ehsan: yeah, just saw in configure.in
# [23:37] <@ehsan> yep
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# [23:40] <@ted> ttaubert: ping
# [23:40] <@ted> ttaubert: actually i'm going to wander off, but there's info on bug 740242
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# [23:41] <NeilAway> bz: do you know any merit of using one over the other?
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# [23:42] <decoder> rail: espindola: successful x86 build with asan and the new clang rev :) I think we can consider the linker bug fixed with that :D
# [23:42] <ttaubert> ted: ok, reading
# [23:43] <rail> decoder: \o/
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# [23:43] <espindola> decoder, awesome :-)
# [23:44] <espindola> rail, anything you want me to do about the puppet problem on OS X?
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# [23:47] <Bas> ehsan: Say Ehsan, how did you make IID_IDXGISurface resolve for cairo-d2d when you were splitting out cairo on windows?
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# [23:47] * @smaug can't keep track on all these silly law proposals... CISPA, SOPA, ACTA...
# [23:48] <rail> espindola: I need to test how packagemaker deals with fancy package names: http://diff.pastebin.mozilla.org/1612877
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# [23:49] <espindola> ok
# [23:49] <Bas> ehsan: Never mind me, you didn't need to, I'm being an idiot.
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# [23:49] <@ehsan> khuey: ping
# [23:50] <khuey> ehsan: pong
# [23:50] <jhammel> smaug: i think they're trying to spell out something....maybe the mayan apocalypse
# [23:50] <@ehsan> khuey: so I added a new var in configure.in called MOZ_CAIRO_OSLIBS
# [23:50] <@ehsan> in config/autoconf.mk.in, I do:
# [23:50] <jdm> why do I have a 60mb google+ compartment :(
# [23:51] <jdm> 52mb of gc heap
# [23:51] <khuey> jdm: because +1
# [23:51] <@ehsan> MOZ_CAIRO_OSLIBS = @MOZ_CAIRO_OSLIBS@
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# [23:51] <@ehsan> khuey: and in toolkit/library/Makefile.in I'm using it as $(MOZ_CAIRO_OSLIBS)
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# [23:51] <khuey> uh huh
# [23:51] <@ehsan> and I'm getting:
# [23:51] <jdm> khuey: here's a fun one - under the gmail compartment, I see a measurement of 19mb for (6 tiny)
# [23:52] <@ehsan> clang: error: no such file or directory: '@MOZ_CAIRO_OSLIBS@'
# [23:52] <@ehsan> khuey: what am I doing wrong?
# [23:52] <khuey> ehsan: did you stick your AC_SUBST in?
# [23:52] <jdm> woah, this is weird
# [23:52] <jdm> the percentages aren't adding up
# [23:52] <@ehsan> khuey: no, where should I do that?
# [23:52] <khuey> ehsan: in configure somewhere
# [23:52] <khuey> ehsan: did you use AC_DEFINE instead?
# [23:52] <jdm> oh wait, the percentages are for the overall value
# [23:53] <@ehsan> khuey: oh there's one in configure.in for MOZ_CAIRO_LIBS
# [23:53] <@ehsan> khuey: (I have _no_ idea what I'm doing, I'm just trying to imitate existing code)
# [23:53] <@ehsan> like a monkey!
# [23:53] <khuey> ehsan: :-D
# [23:53] * @ehsan rebuilds
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# [23:54] <jdm> nice, closing the gmail window upped my memory usage by 50mb
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# [23:54] <@ehsan> jdm: you'll get an extra gig of usage when they disable your account
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# [23:55] <jdm> I don't like that this google+ compartment is still around with no google windows open
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# [23:56] <Mossop> ehsan: That was what they gave you as compensation? lame
# [23:56] <@smaug> jdm: some other site has g+ button ?
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# [23:56] <mkaply> ttaubert: the new tab code to update the grid seems to only function in the context of the new tab page. That is to say, if you take the new tab page and put it inside some other code (not as an iframe, but using the same HTML, JS, everything). I know you'll probably say "unsupported" but is there a reason the grid update depends on the position of the grid within the window as opposed to within its parent?
# [23:56] <@ehsan> Mossop: they tried to give me some crashes too, but I don't use Chrome ;)
# [23:56] <jdm> oh, false alarm, I mistook the google groups favicon for something else
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# [23:57] <jdm> man
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# [23:57] <jdm> about:memory janks the browser for about 1.5 seconds
# [23:57] <jdm> this is weird
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# [23:57] <@bz_dinner> well
# [23:58] <@bz_dinner> doesn't it do a gc?
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# [23:58] <@smaug> jdm: it run gc and cc at least
# [23:58] <@bz_dinner> also, it has to walk all sorts of stuff....
# [23:58] <@smaug> possible even other cleanups
# [23:58] <jdm> yeah, but I'm used to it loading fairly instantly in my experience
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# [23:58] <bent> remove some ram from your machine!
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