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# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <jlebar|mac> About memory does not run gc /cc
# [00:01] <jlebar|mac> jdm: ^
# [00:01] <jlebar|mac> about:compartments does.
# [00:01] <jlebar|mac> about:memory does walk the whole gc heap; it's not really optimized for speed...
# [00:01] <jlebar|mac> In fact, to the contrary, it's optimized for disturbing the JS heap as little as possible.
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# [00:05] <@roc> ehsan: are all these libraries you're ripping out going into gkmedias or becoming standalone?
# [00:05] <jesup> billm: nope, no weirdo addons (about:tabs, HackTheWeb (replacement for Aardvark), Flashblock, Chatzilla). Sessionstore is getting up there (20MB), that could cause responsiveness issues (hate 'jank'), but shouldn't cause GC unless some of the recent work is throwing a lot of stuff to make GC slow. 5 tabs loaded shouldn't be this slow, I don't care how many are unloaded..... ;-)
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# [00:05] <@ehsan> roc: the former
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# [00:06] <billm> jesup: memchaser is an addon that allows us to understand GC times in more detail. could you please install it? it has an option to turn on logging. the log would help in understanding the problem.
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# [00:10] <gregglind> so, when window.locationbar.visible is false, it seems like (on osx), forward and back don't work from menu or swipe. Does this make sense?
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# [00:14] <@roc> ehsan: looks like Harfbuzz can move into gkmedias
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# [00:15] <@roc> and OTS
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# [00:16] <@ehsan> roc: see 751151
# [00:17] <@ehsan> roc: OTS is already in gkmedias as far as I see
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# [00:17] <khuey> wow
# [00:17] <khuey> ++foo silently does nothing in python
# [00:17] <@ehsan> roc: basically jfkthame was worried about the cost, so I gave up the idea
# [00:17] <khuey> that's a pretty massive footgun
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# [00:17] <@ehsan> khuey: wanna review my patch please?
# [00:17] <khuey> which patch?
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# [00:18] <@ehsan> khuey: bug 751273
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# [00:20] <jesup> billm: where is it? not in search in available addons
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# [00:20] <khuey> ehsan: what is 'windowscodecs'?
# [00:20] <billm> jesup: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/memchaser/
# [00:21] <@ehsan> khuey: it's a .lib file which includes IID_IDXGISurface
# [00:21] <jesup> Yeah, just found it. Why did it not show up from about:addons search?
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# [00:22] <khuey> ehsan: how come we didn't need it before?
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# [00:22] <@ehsan> khuey: no idea
# [00:22] <khuey> ok
# [00:23] <@ehsan> khuey: fwiw, I dumpbin'ed the .lib file in the sdk directory to find it :)
# [00:23] <khuey> heh
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# [00:23] <@ehsan> khuey: pretty solid engineering ;)
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# [00:23] * khuey fully expects jacek to show up next week and claim it breaks mingw
# [00:23] <khuey> but I don't care
# [00:23] <@ehsan> hehe
# [00:23] <WeirdAl> smaug, akeybl: I really do think we should keep the current behavior on xhr-timeout. I wrote the original patch, and I have swallowed that koolaid. It's the Right Thing to do.
# [00:23] <@ehsan> I'll apologize to him!
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# [00:24] <billm> jesup: that's weird. I don't know how that search works. they have a github repo where you can file an issue.
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# [00:25] <jesup> github? that's a pain. Only helps if I know where on github to look
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# [00:26] <jesup> billm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1612882
# [00:26] <jdm> jesup: https://github.com/mozilla/memchaser
# [00:26] <@smaug> WeirdAl: as of now, I agree. I haven't seen any major problems
# [00:27] <jesup> jdm: problem is search in addons, not memchaser itself
# [00:27] <lightsofapollo> Whats the performance like for the css selector *[role=x] ? worse or same then finding a element based on its class attribute? (.some-class)
# [00:27] <WeirdAl> also we're the first browser to implement this
# [00:27] <jdm> oh, sorry
# [00:27] <RyanVM> ehsan: any idea when inbound is going to reopen? my checkin queue is getting pretty big
# [00:27] <khuey> RyanVM: never
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# [00:27] <@ehsan> RyanVM: hopefully some time tonight, not sure yet
# [00:27] <khuey> we decided that firefox 14 is the last firefox
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# [00:27] <@smaug> lightsofapollo: I believe role=x is slower
# [00:28] <jlebar|mac> RyanVM: Future security updates will be applied by khuey + a hex editor.
# [00:28] <RyanVM> "Mozilla to end Firefox development"
# [00:28] <@ehsan> RyanVM: /. is the way to go
# [00:28] <@smaug> lightsofapollo: it needs to do some string comparison
# [00:28] <@smaug> lightsofapollo: class handling is more optimized
# [00:28] <khuey> jlebar|mac: I have to finish personally approving every malloc call first
# [00:28] <@smaug> lightsofapollo: dbaron would know better
# [00:28] <sfink> we could start counting down. all patches should now be applied to the FF13 branch, 'cause it demands less of the linker...
# [00:28] <jdm> baha
# [00:29] <lightsofapollo> smaug: Thanks! Are there benchmarks for this somewhere ?
# [00:29] <@smaug> dunno
# [00:29] <jdm> let's just form a team to write us a better linker
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# [00:29] <khuey> we'd have to start with writing a compiler
# [00:29] <jdm> I propose taras and glandium head it up
# [00:29] <@smaug> WeirdAl: well, IE has some timeout stuff
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# [00:29] <WeirdAl> whoops
# [00:29] <WeirdAl> I wish you'd mentioned that about 30 seconds ago
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# [00:30] <sfink> "Windows is no longer supported. Please upgrade to B2G."
# [00:30] <billm> jesup: this isn't a debug build or anything, is it?
# [00:30] <jhammel> sfink++
# [00:30] <@ehsan> god hg.m.o is super-slow today
# [00:30] <@ehsan> or should I say down?
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# [00:30] <jhammel> ain't it though? :/
# [00:31] <IanN> abort: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
# [00:31] <@ehsan> just what I needed
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# [00:33] <mbrubeck> it's intermittently up -- see the blue on TBPL
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# [00:34] <billm> jesup: also, is this reproducible with a clean profile if you just copy your session restore file over?
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# [00:36] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Well, we have a new earliest PGO breakage on inbound. Looks like it's your fault. :) https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=WINNT%205.2%20.*%20pgo-build&rev=8c8e5e2631be
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# [00:36] <jdm> "Forget about Mozilla. There is way too many people already contributing to it to be a real asset in the project." <- sadmaking reddit comment
# [00:37] <jdm> I like pointing to per-window pb as a counterexample to statements like that
# [00:37] <RyanVM> ehsan: You may want to take a look at bug 674225.
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# [00:38] <RyanVM> ehsan: nevermind
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# [00:38] <RyanVM> you already did :)
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# [00:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8899c0604bd1 - Bobby Holley - Bug 751086 - Disable toolkit/mozapps/plugins/tests/browser_bug435788.js for leaks (r=Mano,a=test-only)
# [00:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7dfc17047d12 - Asaf Romano - Bug 750269 - Fix places transactions leak with cpg (r=mak,a=not-in-libxul)
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# [00:41] <@bz_dinner> jdm: yeah, indeed
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# [00:41] <@bz_dinner> jdm: I think people underestimate how much of an asset someone can be....
# [00:41] <jdm> mhm
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# [00:42] <@bz_dinner> lightsofapollo: you there?
# [00:42] <lightsofapollo> bz_dinner: Yep, cjones referred me but I didn't want to bug you with the _dinner flag :)
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# [00:42] <@bz> ;)
# [00:42] <jesup> billm: yes, it appears so. 700ms in a fresh profile (5 tabs loaded) with the sessionstore copied over. CC 46ms
# [00:42] <@bz> *[x=foo] is slower than .x-foo in two ways
# [00:43] <@bz> it's slower to match the first time
# [00:43] <@bz> and it can be somewhat slower on dynamic changes
# [00:43] <billm> jesup: would you be willing to send me that sessionrestore file?
# [00:43] <@bz> if you change the x attr a lot
# [00:43] <@bz> the first effect is probably more important here
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# [00:43] <@bz> esp. if you don't change x a lot but do change class a lot. ;)
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# [00:44] <RyanVM> ted: ping
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# [00:45] <lightsofapollo> bz: Ah, do you have any idea what the relative different in speed is? We are looking to use it as part of gaia's ui building blocks. I had always heard about attribute css selectors being significantly slower then class attribute based selectors.
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# [00:47] <jesup> billm: flip me your email address. The sessionstore file probably has sensitive data in it, note.
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# [00:47] <billm> jesup: billm@mozilla.com. I'll be careful with it.
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# [00:49] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: really? you blame me for that? ;)
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# [00:51] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Well, it could also be one of the Android-only or GTK-only patches below you. :)
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# [00:51] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: the linker memory usage is bipolar
# [00:51] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: see https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2128410/linker-size.svg
# [00:52] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Yes, that's my dropbox account you are linking to.... :)
# [00:52] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: oh, lol
# [00:52] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: so you're just being mean to me, huh?
# [00:52] * @ehsan makes a note to backout all of mbrubeck's patches from now on
# [00:52] <mbrubeck> all of my patches are backouts anyway. :)
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# [00:53] <@ehsan> touche!
# [00:53] <mbrubeck> I *am* curious what caused the sudden jump, but the bimodality does make it harder to pin down.
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# [00:53] <mbrubeck> We've narrowed the gap, though. I triggered some duplicate builds to get a better chance of finding the real range...
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# [00:54] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: I suspect it was gradual mem usage increase
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# [00:54] <darktrojan> that svg is 5MB ?!!
# [00:54] <mbrubeck> darktrojan: heh. blame Gnumeric...
# [00:55] <darktrojan> that is ... poor
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# [00:56] <darktrojan> it makes my nightly crawl :/
# [00:57] <jhammel> nightcrawler?
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# [00:58] <darktrojan> this doesn't help:
# [00:58] <darktrojan> 287.35 MB (37.00%) ++ top(view-source:https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2128410/linker-size.svg, id=83)
# [00:58] <darktrojan> 75.08 MB (09.67%) ++ top(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2128410/linker-size.svg, id=76)
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# [01:04] <darktrojan> ah, njn, just the man
# [01:05] <darktrojan> 100MB of heap unclassified is bad, right?
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# [01:05] <njn> darktrojan: what's the percentage?
# [01:05] <darktrojan> 60
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# [01:06] <njn> darktrojan: ok, that's bad
# [01:06] <njn> darktrojan: one site, or multiple sites open?
# [01:06] <darktrojan> I viewed this really badly made 5MB svg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2128410/linker-size.svg
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# [01:07] <darktrojan> but I suspect it was when I view-source'd it that caused the unclassified
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# [01:07] <njn> darktrojan: can you add the details (site, about:memory contents) to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590790 ?
# [01:07] <njn> we don't have any reporters hooked up for SVG
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# [01:08] <darktrojan> ok, I'll see if I can reproduce it first
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# [01:10] <@ehsan> njn: can you please keep the bug# changes in your blog posts if it's not too much work
# [01:10] <@ehsan> it sometimes make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
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# [01:10] <njn> ehsan: several people have said the same thing, so I will
# [01:11] <@ehsan> great
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# [01:11] <darktrojan> heh
# [01:11] <darktrojan> warm fuzzies are important
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# [01:13] <jlebar|mac> Hm, my Firefox is spinning its event loop.
# [01:13] <jlebar|mac> But when I break in GDB, I don't see anything except the event loop.
# [01:13] <jlebar|mac> Any tips on how to get more info here?
# [01:13] <nrc> ehsan: how does one work out which symbols to put in media/symbols.def.in (I'm a complete noob wrt the build system)
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# [01:13] <Waldo> aren't we all
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# [01:14] <@ehsan> nrc: move code from libxul to libgkmedias, rebuild, see what symbols are missing when linking libxul, and add those :)
# [01:14] <@ehsan> nrc: and you need to do it on windows, cause elsewhere gkmedias gets folded into libxul
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# [01:15] <nrc> ehsan: OK, thanks!
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# [01:15] <jlebar|mac> Well, here are my stacks, in case anyone has any idea what's going on.
# [01:15] * jlebar|mac needs to eat now
# [01:16] <jlebar|mac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1612976
# [01:16] <jlebar|mac> <--- dinner
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# [01:17] <jdm> jlebar|mac: t a a bt?
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# [01:18] <darktrojan> hmm, my heap unclassified went down again that time
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# [01:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4e5752fb5acc - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 750592 - B2G RIL: only enable RILQUIRKS_CALLSTATE_EXTRA_UINT32 on SGS2 gingerbread. r=qDot
# [01:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dbafb657a59f - Jose Antonio Olivera Ortega - Bug 714973 - Add emergency calls to RIL's state machine. r=philikon
# [01:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d624dbe9e0c6 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 750589 - Update default MobileConnection permissions after Gaia refactoring (#1277). r=fabrice a=b2g-only
# [01:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/eafd797ce39e - Yoshi Huang - Bug 750161 - B2G RIL: typo in cardstatechange event. r=philikon
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# [01:56] <felipe> philor: any idea what made bug 630567 skyrocket lately?
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# [01:57] <philor> felipe: skyrocket? it's under 500 comments!
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# [01:59] <philor> that's one freaky graph
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# [02:01] <felipe> indeed
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# [02:01] <jhammel> philor: maybe it goes into hibernation in the winter?
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# [02:01] <felipe> must have been the new downloads panel changes
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# [02:31] <JonathanS> gps, there wouldn't be needed for xul.dll?
# [02:32] <RyanVM> from today's meeting notes - "Anne van Kesteren posted her explanation of why Opera decided to support some webkit-prefixed CSS properties. The WebKitBits blog had a different impression of what should be done. "
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# [02:32] <RyanVM> isn't Anne a man?
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# [02:33] <JonathanS> RyanVM, http://my.opera.com/anne/about/ Yup
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# [02:43] <JonathanS> drop prefix?
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# [02:46] <philor> ehsan: is it just me, or does that M2 shutdown hang with plugins on the stack that we just had a second time on inbound smell of zombocom?
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# [02:47] <mbrubeck> http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/?display=Bug&bugid=593064&entireHistory=true&tree=mozilla-central is another one to squint at
# [02:47] <@ehsan> philor: where's the second one?
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# [02:47] <philor> ehsan: late last night, a pair on linux and linux64 I think it was
# [02:48] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&onlyunstarred=1&rev=c3813fbb1c9a
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# [02:48] <@ehsan> hmm
# [02:48] <philor> the "two in the same minute" smelled particularly bad
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# [02:48] <@ehsan> maybe josh has an idea?
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# [02:49] <@ehsan> two in the same minute?
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# [02:51] <philor> well, okay, so it was an hour apart, maybe I nap sometimes
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# [02:51] <@ehsan> hehe
# [02:52] <gregglind_away> anybody know much about failure modes for moz-thumb protocol?
# [02:52] <@ehsan> nothing jumps at me, really
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# [02:52] <gregglind> moz-page-thumb rather?
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# [02:55] <@roc> mbrubeck: not bad, but there's a few important pieces missing from that article
# [02:55] <Unfocused> ttaubert: ^
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# [02:57] <@bz> e.g. the fact that Microsoft is in fact planning to do the same
# [02:57] <@bz> and the fact that Apple is a large part of the "WG is slow" problem
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# [02:59] <@roc> bz: actually, see this: http://www.netmagazine.com/news/opera-confirms-webkit-prefix-usage-121923
# [02:59] <@roc> some claim from a spokesperson that Microsoft won't
# [02:59] <@bz> roc: oh, interesting
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# [03:00] <lduros> if your extension does lots of processing, and it uses lots of memory (like 400M as compared to maybe 200M without), but then most of that memory (50%) becomes gc-heap-decommitted -- is this something to worry about?
# [03:00] <@roc> the other big missing thing from that article is that it obscures the important point that prefixes aren't doing what they were designed to do in the first place
# [03:00] <Unfocused> ... crap. splinter just lost an almost finished and kinda long review :\
# [03:00] <@bz> indeed
# [03:00] <@bz> given the article's recommentation to include the unprefixed property
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# [03:04] <Dagger> pah. thanks to jaws' programming puzzle, I've finally realized where the allizom.org domain used for the addons dev site comes from
# [03:04] <Dagger> because randomly reversing domain names is something I do all the time. :/
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# [03:13] <kbrosnan> Unfocused: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lazarus-form-recovery/ ?
# [03:13] <kbrosnan> after the fact though :(
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# [03:16] <Unfocused> kbrosnan: does that work with splinter?
# [03:17] <Unfocused> and, er, splinter isn't meant to lose drafts of reviews anyway...
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# [03:19] <romaxa> any ideas when central or inbound going to be open again?
# [03:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6dbb135d3f1f - Luke Wagner - Bug 749617 - rm XDRState::codeString (r=njn,a=not-libxul)
# [03:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1dd95b7228a6 - Luke Wagner - Bug 749617 - improve getLocalNamesArray (r=waldo,a=not-libxul)
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# [03:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d4e35005f5a9 - Luke Wagner - Bug 749617 - Optimize js::CloneScript (r=njn,a=not-libxul)
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# [03:25] <John-Galt> Dagger: It never occurred to me that that would be less than immediately obvious to anyone...
# [03:26] <zzzzz> geez this kills m-c win32 what is in that scatter graph that locks the browser
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# [03:26] <zzzzz> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2128410/linker-size.svg
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# [03:28] <Dagger> John-Galt: what can I say? I seem to make a habit out of being weird
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# [03:30] <RyanVM> romaxa: your patches are in my queue to land if inbound re-opens some time in the next hour or so
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# [03:33] <John-Galt> zzzzz: Didn't lock up my browser.
# [03:33] <John-Galt> Just ate huge amounts of CPU time.
# [03:34] <zzzzz> UI locked, and win7 x64 going in/out of 'not responding' Chrome Dev 20 handled it with even breathing hard :P
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# [03:36] <lduros> locking my browser
# [03:36] <lduros> I can hear the fans spinning
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# [03:39] <jaws> Dagger: :)
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# [03:40] <lduros> holy cow! I'm not going to click on those svg links again
# [03:40] <lduros> had to press the power button
# [03:40] <@bz> m.d.a.firefox has jumped the shark
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# [03:51] <John-Galt> You probably ran out of physical memory, then.
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# [03:51] <lduros> me?
# [03:51] <lduros> probably
# [03:51] <John-Galt> All of you.
# [03:51] <lduros> I have 8G of RAM
# [03:52] <John-Galt> Well, I have 6, but I closed the tab before it started swapping.
# [03:52] <lduros> ah that's why
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# [03:52] <lduros> i use a version of gnu with linux-libre though
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# [03:52] <lduros> John-Galt: what did you run it on?
# [03:53] <John-Galt> Don't even want to know what that is.
# [03:53] <lduros> windows ME?
# [03:53] <lduros> :-P
# [03:54] <jaws> davidb: ping?
# [03:54] <davidb> jaws: pong
# [03:55] <John-Galt> Although I'll add this: Don't be silly. You don't run it on "GNU" unless perhaps you're running Hurd. You have a Linux kernel and a MIT licensed X server developed by the X consortium. The only GNU software that comes into play is GCC and probably glibc and GNU libstdc++, none of which I'd personally be proud to run.
# [03:55] <jaws> davidb: do you know if the About dialog is keyboard accessible?
# [03:55] <John-Galt> *HURD
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# [03:55] <davidb> jaws: AFAIK yes
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# [03:55] <lduros> John-Galt: :-P
# [03:55] <davidb> jaws: i don't see focus indication in mac
# [03:55] <jaws> davidb: do you know how to keyboard navigate it? i'm struggling to tab around (i'm running Windows)
# [03:56] <davidb> jaws: tab-nav should work
# [03:56] <jaws> and there are no accelerators for the links either
# [03:56] <davidb> if not == bad
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# [03:56] <jaws> would you like me to CC you?
# [03:56] <davidb> jaws: please cc me
# [03:56] <davidb> snap!@
# [03:56] <jaws> hehe, ok :)
# [03:56] <davidb> thanks for finding this!
# [03:57] <jaws> np:)
# [03:57] <jaws> davidb: i think it's because it uses <label> instead of regular links
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# [03:58] <davidb> that could do it yes. note in general we need to add sighted keyboard QA to our QA intinerary. we have screen reader QA but SRs 'fix' things.
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# [03:58] <jaws> yeah
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# [04:00] <davidb> we ran into this with webdev too
# [04:02] <@dolske> keyboard support? but no one even uses T9 anymore!!1!
# [04:02] <romaxa> RyanVM: ok thanks
# [04:02] <davidb> dolske: :)
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# [04:06] <jprmc> ehsan: still waiting for pgo builds i see?
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# [04:11] <@bz> do we have beta nightlies?
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# [04:12] <nthomas> yes
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# [04:13] <nthomas> huh, only debug apparently
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# [04:15] <philor> huh, I didn't think we even had those
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# [04:18] <philor> probably because they leave no tracks on tbpl
# [04:19] <@bz> nthomas: yeah, that's the problem. :(
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# [04:21] <Dagger> jaws: strangely tab works, but only if you start backwards
# [04:21] <Dagger> (i.e. focus the address bar and hit shift+tab a few times)
# [04:21] <@ehsan> jprmc: yeah
# [04:22] <jaws> Dagger: are you talking about the identity block or the About dialog? my previous question was about the About dialog
# [04:22] <nthomas> bz: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-beta-linux64/ and friends
# [04:23] <Dagger> cough. I was actually talking about about:newtab. not quite sure where I got that from.
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# [04:27] <jaws> hehe np
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# [04:43] <decoder> ehsan: rail has been deploying the new version on linux, i dont know about mac (but i guess there as well)
# [04:43] <decoder> he and espindola might be able to answer your question :)
# [04:43] <rail> mac deployed as well
# [04:43] <decoder> \o/
# [04:43] <decoder> alright, heading off to bed
# [04:43] <decoder> 4:30 am is good enough for that
# [04:44] <decoder> gnite
# [04:44] <rail> g'nigth!
# [04:45] <@ehsan> rail: so does that mean that I can do a performance test?
# [04:45] <rail> ehsan: maybe :)
# [04:46] <@ehsan> rail: why maybe?
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# [04:46] <rail> ehsan: because I have no clue why it depends on clang deployment :)
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# [04:47] <@ehsan> rail: oh, because I wanted to test against the new version of clang :)
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# [04:47] <rail> ah, sure, then you can
# [04:48] <RyanVM> ehsan: is it worth staying up much longer for a possible opening? My push is green on Try
# [04:48] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I think we can make a decision in about 1-2 hours from now
# [04:48] <RyanVM> in that case, off to bed I go :)
# [04:49] <RyanVM> night guys
# [04:49] <philor> yeah, staying up waiting on Win PGO is always a bad decision, always
# [04:49] <RyanVM> it's bad enough waiting for try pushes
# [04:49] <RyanVM> why must they go so much slower?
# [04:50] <@ehsan> rail: oh wait, I think I need to wait for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748208
# [04:50] <@ehsan> rail: cause that's what will give us new versions of clang...
# [04:50] <@ehsan> RyanVM: because PGO builds are a lot more expensive
# [04:50] <philor> which, try? because it has lwo priority so it has to wait for a free slave, do a clobber every time, then wait for free slaves for tests
# [04:51] <RyanVM> it must the priority
# [04:51] <nthomas> priority only comes into it for tests
# [04:51] <RyanVM> i started the push 4 hours ago and the android tests still haven't started
# [04:51] <philor> only 940 jobs pending on try
# [04:51] <rail> ehsan: it's been being deployed for 6-7 hours now, should be available on most builders
# [04:52] <@ehsan> rail: the _new_ version?
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# [04:52] <philor> and 562 running, which is not reasonable numbers
# [04:52] <rail> ehsan: r155417
# [04:52] <@ehsan> rail: oh cool
# [04:52] * @ehsan starts a try job
# [04:52] <rail> go go go!
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# [04:52] <RyanVM> philor: I'm seeing way different numbers
# [04:52] <RyanVM> philor: try 835 / 207
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# [04:53] <@ehsan> espindola: ping
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# [04:53] <@ehsan> rail: do you know what I should put in my mozconfig to get to use clang?
# [04:53] <philor> RyanVM: yeah, I switch in mid sentence - you're fighting with several hundred pending try jobs, but the total number of jobs running, try and not, is about 300 lower than it should be with so many things pending
# [04:53] <rail> let me check
# [04:54] <rail> ehsan: /tools/clang-3.0-r155417.moz0/bin/clang
# [04:55] <@ehsan> rail: is that on linux or mac?
# [04:55] <rail> it's so easy to memorize!
# [04:55] <rail> for all
# [04:55] <@ehsan> thanks
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# [04:55] <rail> np
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# [05:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a8c16e7b819b - Gene Lian - Bug 743064: Shutdown FramebufferWatcher thread gracefully by using it as a pthread. r=cjones a=b2g-only
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# [05:06] <@roc> I thought JS was in libxul these days
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# [05:07] <mccr8|away> roc: it isn't, on Windows. It isn't PGOed either.
# [05:07] <@roc> that seems wrong
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# [05:08] <mccr8> yeah, there's some kind of weird history there I'm not familiar with.
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# [05:09] * @roc wonders if we have automated tests for emergency calls on B2G
# [05:09] <Havvy> roc: Lawl
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# [05:15] <@bz> roc: the js thing..
# [05:15] <@bz> roc: it's not in libxul because it didn't fit in RAM
# [05:15] <@bz> roc: it's not PGOed on its own because the JS folks think it caused stability issues
# [05:17] <@roc> "didn't fit in RAM"?
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# [05:17] <rail-afk> ehsan: seeing this for you try build: checking whether the C compiler is clang older than version 2.9... no
# [05:17] <@roc> you mean the linker address space issue?
# [05:17] <@ehsan> rail-afk: that's good right?
# [05:17] <@ehsan> mccr8: I thought that it _is_ PGOed?
# [05:18] <rail-afk> ehsan: it uses /usr/local/bin/ccache /usr/bin/g++-4.2 everywhere
# [05:18] <@ehsan> bz: I thought we fixed that :(
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# [05:18] <@ehsan> rail-afk: oh
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# [05:18] <@ehsan> rail-afk: I'll cancel the job then...
# [05:18] <rail-afk> k
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# [05:21] <khuey> ehsan: js is not pgod
# [05:21] <@ehsan> oh noes
# [05:24] <mccr8> oh yeah!!
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# [05:28] <espindola> ehsan, pong
# [05:28] <@ehsan> espindola: commented in the os x clang bug
# [05:33] <espindola> ehsan, replied
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# [05:34] <@bz> PRTime is in microseconds, right?
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# [05:35] <@bz> yes
# [05:35] <@ehsan> espindola: hmm, you did not ask for talos, was that intentional?
# [05:36] <espindola> ehsan, no, sorry
# [05:36] <espindola> let me go again
# [05:36] <@ehsan> espindola: ok :)
# [05:36] <@ehsan> espindola: btw, see that wiki page :)
# [05:39] <espindola> ehsan, why no -u all?
# [05:40] <@ehsan> espindola: didn't wanna include all those android tests, probably me being paranoid :)
# [05:40] <espindola> :-)
# [05:40] <espindola> I did a -p all, which I is more than needed for sure
# [05:40] <espindola> but it is nice to test linux too
# [05:41] <espindola> depending on the result of try I will see if I can fix 748138 tomorrow after work
# [05:41] <espindola> or update the wiki if the "export hack" works
# [05:43] <@ehsan> espindola: note that for linux we should also test with PGO
# [05:43] <@ehsan> (not that it really matters cause nobody uses our linux binaries, but whatever!)
# [05:44] <espindola> ehsan, I disable it on the try push
# [05:44] <@ehsan> espindola: yeah I know :)
# [05:44] <espindola> it would "work" in that clang would just warn about the unused flag all over the place
# [05:45] <espindola> disabling it also point to differences I can actually fix in my free time
# [05:45] <espindola> implementing PGO is not one of them :-)
# [05:45] <@ehsan> espindola: oh, I thought clang does PGO these days
# [05:45] <espindola> the IL can represent probabilities
# [05:46] <@ehsan> so it's the llvm side which needs to be implemented?
# [05:46] <espindola> but I think the only source of that info is the expected/unexpected builtins
# [05:47] <espindola> the program have to be instrumented to sample themselves
# [05:47] <espindola> and the collected data has to be read back
# [05:48] <@ehsan> that sounds like more than a weekend project ;)
# [05:48] <espindola> sure is
# [05:48] <espindola> just the sampling part already has some cool problems about matching a flow to the samples
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# [06:00] <jtcranmer> there is some support in llvm for profiling
# [06:01] <jtcranmer> actually using that is pretty muh nonexistent
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# [06:01] <mbrubeck> in the post-bug-695480 world, is there a way to tell if a reference is dead? "obj instanceof DeadObjectProxy" or something?
# [06:02] <mbrubeck> I know I can just try/catch, just curious if there's a more specific test.
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# [06:03] <mbrubeck> khuey: ^
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# [06:06] <@ehsan> so who wants to watch the tree while I merge and reopen m-i and m-c?
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# [06:07] <@ehsan> hehe
# [06:07] <khuey> mbrubeck: no
# [06:07] <khuey> ehsan: I can watch for a while if you're heading to bed
# [06:08] <@ehsan> khuey: thanks :)
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# [06:08] <mbrubeck> khuey: I'm starting a patch for bug 749738, and wondering if I should try to observe when a window disappears and null out the reference, or just wrap all the accesses in try/catch...
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# [06:09] <khuey> mbrubeck: mmm
# [06:09] <khuey> good question
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# [06:10] <khuey> I guess it depends on how many places you'd need to add try/catch to
# [06:10] <mbrubeck> only a couple
# [06:10] <mbrubeck> it'd definitely be the simplest solution, though slightly more fragile
# [06:11] <khuey> yeah
# [06:11] * khuey would ask a front end person
# [06:12] <khuey> alternatively, you could try to use weak references
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# [06:13] <khuey> ehsan: so what exactly am I supposed to do? :-P
# [06:13] <@ehsan> khuey: watch the tree, and if it goes red, close it and go to bed ;)
# [06:13] <khuey> ah
# [06:13] <khuey> ok
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# [06:17] <fabrice1> ehsan: bug 742626 was backed out on inbound
# [06:18] <@ehsan> fabrice1: will get to it, there are 100+ changesets :)
# [06:18] <fabrice1> ok!
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# [06:22] <Bas> ehsan khuey: Bug 751463
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# [06:26] <@bz> awesome
# [06:26] * @bz hates bisecting
# [06:27] <@roc> tree's open! GAME ON
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# [06:27] <@ehsan> roc: be gentle :)
# [06:27] <khuey> bholley will be disappoint
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# [06:27] <romaxa> where is bsmedberg?
# [06:28] <jtcranmer> probably sleeping
# [06:28] <philor> at 20 minutes after midnight? what's wrong with him?
# [06:28] <romaxa> hmm 2 days in row
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# [06:30] <@roc> ehsan: you're experimenting with the Win64 builder, getting it to do our 32bit builds?
# [06:30] <@ehsan> roc: yes
# [06:31] * @roc doesn't know what's hard about t
# [06:31] <@ehsan> roc: my guess would be nothing at all :)
# [06:31] <@ehsan> roc: but we need to test to make sure
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# [06:33] <philor> whee, we sort of bent if not broke scrolling on WinXP on inbound
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# [06:35] <mbrubeck> cool, weak references solve the bug cleanly
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# [06:36] <@bz> ooh
# [06:36] <@bz> inbound is open
# [06:36] * @bz updates
# [06:37] <@ehsan> bz: be gentle ;)
# [06:37] <@bz> just renamespacing the DOM binding stuff
# [06:37] <@bz> and a minor tweak to instanceof for them
# [06:37] <@ehsan> bz: land away then!
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# [06:38] <@bz> ehsan: the bad things will happen when we want to land new bindings for nodes... ;)
# [06:38] <@bz> man
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# [06:38] <@bz> hg.m.o is being super-slow
# [06:38] <@ehsan> bz: yeah, it's been terrible today
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# [06:41] <mbrubeck> I'm sure that reopening the tree after several days of closure will do wonders for the load on it... :P
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# [06:43] <khuey> mbrubeck: looks like that was pretty easy
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# [06:46] <mbrubeck> yeah.
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# [06:46] <mbrubeck> though I notice there are almost zero uses of getWeakReference in our JS code and I wonder if that's just because no one's bothered to use it yet, or if there's some reason not to use it.
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# [06:47] <mbrubeck> but that's what review is for...
# [06:51] <mbrubeck> ehsan++
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# [06:54] <rillian> thanks for all your work clearing the tree
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# [07:10] <cpearce> someone should change the #developers title if m-c/inbound are no longer closed...
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# [07:11] * roc changes topic to 'inbound and mozilla-central are OPEN, but be gentle, we're still close to the PGO limit || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [07:13] <njn> khuey gets a gold star: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695480#c50
# [07:13] <kinetik> the channel isn't +t, so anybody can change it... as i've found out by accidentally mashing the keyboard while typing /topic
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# [07:14] <khuey> njn: how many am I up to now?
# [07:14] <njn> khuey: actually, I'll take back the old one and give you a bigger one
# [07:14] <khuey> njn: holy shit, firebug?
# [07:14] <njn> khuey: yep!
# [07:15] <khuey> wow
# [07:15] <njn> khuey: this has gotta be mentioned in the FF15 release notes, preferably as the #1 item
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# [07:16] <@bz> nice
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# [07:16] <@bz> very nice
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# [07:16] * @bz disabled wallflower today when he saw the bug filed about it
# [07:16] * njn just noticed that inbound is open today
# [07:16] <@bz> between that and disabling test pilot
# [07:16] <@bz> and this change
# [07:16] <@bz> maybe my browser will behave sanely
# [07:16] <njn> bz: ABP with the antisocial subscription apparently does the same thing as wallflower
# [07:16] <@bz> yes
# [07:16] <@bz> but I've looked at the ABP code
# [07:17] <@bz> and I'm not sure I want to be running it
# [07:17] <@bz> it's amazing in all sorts of ways
# [07:17] <khuey> heh
# [07:17] <@bz> but too many things that can go wrong
# [07:17] <@bz> it's not even that the code is bad
# [07:17] <@bz> it's just doing ... lots of complicated things
# [07:17] <@bz> (not as bad as noscript, but....)
# [07:18] <njn> bz: I've been running it for years
# [07:18] <njn> bz: I'm always shocked when I run a browser without it. SO MANY ADS
# [07:18] <@bz> heh
# [07:18] * @bz is used to that, he guesses
# [07:18] <khuey> yeah
# [07:18] <khuey> the internet other people experience is a totally different place
# [07:18] <khuey> than the one I live in
# [07:18] <njn> so many obnoxious banner ads and intersitals
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# [07:19] <njn> *interstitials
# [07:19] * @bz notes that a large fraction of his browsing time is bugzilla
# [07:19] <glob> njn, and youtube ads has ads!
# [07:19] <@bz> which so far, thank God, has avoided those
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# [07:19] <njn> bz: lol
# [07:19] * glob makes a note; add advertising to bmo
# [07:19] <@bz> glob: that explains facebook's valuation!
# [07:19] <njn> I'll file a bug
# [07:19] <@bz> glob: ads all the way down
# [07:19] <glob> lol
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# [07:20] <@bz> glob: the question is whether the series converges
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# [07:22] <@dolske> something tells me that when bz says "it's amazing in all sorts of ways" it's not exactly a compliment. :)
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# [07:27] <@bz> dolske: well
# [07:28] <@bz> dolske: it's a compliment to the guy who created it
# [07:28] <@bz> dolske: it's not a compliment to the APIs he had to work with. ;)
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# [08:21] <WeirdAl> yo dawg, I heard you like Settings...
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# [08:24] <smontagu> WeirdAl: totally
# [08:24] <WeirdAl> don't ask for the mozmeme, I am not doing that :)
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# [08:26] <smontagu> does tbpl not work in IE?
# [08:27] <WeirdAl> hmm, I just had an odd thought:
# [08:27] <smontagu> OK, hg.mozilla.org works, which is what I really wanted
# [08:27] <WeirdAl> someone needs to buy khuey a copy of Kernkraft 400
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# [08:28] <WeirdAl> for his little compartments work last week
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# [08:40] <glandium> gerv: ping
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# [08:44] <glob> happy bmo push day! https://bugzil.la/748106,750144,750311,743090,748629,747479
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# [08:46] <WeirdAl> glob: ???
# [08:46] <glob> WeirdAl, !!
# [08:47] <glob> WeirdAl, i'm not sure what you're not sure about :)
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# [08:47] <KWierso> WeirdAl: ¿¿¿
# [08:47] <WeirdAl> is this some anniversary of Bugzilla's launch?
# [08:48] <glob> WeirdAl, nope; we push changes to bmo weekly
# [08:48] <glob> WeirdAl, so it's bmo push day today
# [08:49] <WeirdAl> bully for you :)
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# [08:50] <WeirdAl> I should go to bed :s
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# [08:51] <glob> uh, bully for you too :P
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# [08:56] <AryehGregor> Is there really no way to do sane merge conflict resolution with qpush?
# [08:56] <AryehGregor> Really, really?
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# [08:59] <glandium> AryehGregor: use git
# [09:00] <AryehGregor> glandium, I would, and do for my own repos, except that would make it more of a pain to work in a hg-focused project.
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# [09:00] <AryehGregor> I tried it briefly.
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# [09:00] <AryehGregor> But, e.g., the patches aren't exactly in hg format, and moves/copies don't always get tracked properly, etc. Not worth the effort to work with everyone else using hg.
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# [09:01] <AryehGregor> Also, I have to say -- hg is a heck of a lot simpler.
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# [09:02] <AryehGregor> Hmm . . . can I get mq to use only four lines of context when storing patches instead of eight? That would get rid of a lot of the spurious conflicts I've hit.
# [09:03] <AryehGregor> (which I often solve by qpop, edit patch to remove some context, qpush)
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# [09:05] <KWierso> AryehGregor: something in hgrc in the [diff] section?
# [09:05] <KWierso> ("unified", I think?)
# [09:06] <AryehGregor> I want eight lines of context for hg export, but not for mq's patch storage.
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# [09:13] <KWierso> AryehGregor: the "Strategies for applying a patch" section here says that applying a patch tries trimming off lines of context if the patch can't apply directly: http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/managing-change-with-mercurial-queues.html
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# [09:16] <AryehGregor> Oh, so that's what fuzz factors are.
# [09:16] <JonathanS> no more xul.dll/.so?
# [09:16] <AryehGregor> But apparently it doesn't use enough of them, because manually trimming makes it work . . .
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# [09:20] <AryehGregor> Hmm: http://oss.oracle.com/~mason/mpatch/
# [09:20] * AryehGregor will look at that -- thanks, KWierso
# [09:21] <KWierso> AryehGregor: I also saw something about a tool called mqmerge or something like that
# [09:22] <AryehGregor> This also looks interesting: http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/managing-change-with-mercurial-queues.html#sec:mq:merge
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# [09:23] <gaston> watching the tree, crossing fingers..
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# [09:25] <glandium> glob: do you know if there's a bug about making search for attachments easier?
# [09:25] <glob> glandium, easier how?
# [09:26] <glandium> glob: like being able to search for bugs with an attachment that I sent *and* that has r+ ?
# [09:27] <glandium> that is, making such searches *not* match bugs with an attachment that I sent and an attachment that I didn't send that has r+
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# [09:28] <glandium> glob: also, if "My Requests" could show the recently +ed requests, that would be awesome
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# [09:29] <glob> glandium, does https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type0-1-0=substring;list_id=3011934;field0-1-0=flagtypes.name;field0-0-0=attachments.submitter;resolution=---;resolution=DUPLICATE;query_format=advanced;value0-1-0=review%2B;type0-0-0=equals;value0-0-0=mh%2Bmozilla%40glandium.org do what you want?
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# [09:30] <smontagu> if I"m removing a foo/idl directory, I also need to remove foo.xpt from */package-manifest.in all over the tree, right?
# [09:30] <glob> glandium, putting flags on the 'my requests' page makes a lot of sense; can you file a bug for that?
# [09:30] <smontagu> what about removed-files.in?
# [09:31] <glob> glandium, * the flag status
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# [09:31] <glandium> glob: that search doesn't do what I want
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# [09:32] <ashish> Standard8: hi! Bug 751471 - Need ownership changing on... do you want permissions changed recursively?
# [09:32] <glob> glandium, you, need a union of the two queries
# [09:32] <glandium> glob: one more search that gets more obvious wrong results is searching for bugs with attachments that are r+ and *not* obsolete
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# [09:33] <Standard8> ashish: hmm, yes I think that'd be a good idea
# [09:34] <glob> glandium, custom search got an overhaul in 4.2, see https://landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla-4.2-branch/query.cgi?format=advanced
# [09:34] <glob> glandium, we'll be upgrading bmo to 4.2 soon-ish
# [09:34] <ashish> Standard8: ack, in progress :)
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# [09:36] <glandium> glob: I'm afraid that's not going to change anything
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# [09:37] <glob> glandium, i'm happy to write custom reports where the search function falls short; can you write up what you're after a bit more verbosely and file a bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org product?
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# [09:37] <glob> glandium, eg. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi (triage report, release tracking report)
# [09:37] <glandium> glob: because there's still nothing to say that the attachment flags and the attachment is obsolete have to apply to the same attachment
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# [09:39] <JonathanS> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/22311109882/they-behave-better-when-isolated-from-their
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# [09:42] <Standard8> ashish: are you doing nightly or try-builds?
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# [09:43] <ashish> Standard8: realized i was doing both, fixing now. sorry
# [09:43] <Standard8> ashish: np
# [09:43] <ashish> Standard8: tbirdbld:thunderbird for the rest, correct?
# [09:43] <Standard8> ashish: yep
# [09:49] <glandium> glob: 751484
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# [09:49] <ashish> Standard8: done! should be all good now
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# [09:51] <Standard8> ashish: yep, seems to be
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# [09:51] <Standard8> ashish: thanks, hopefully our try server will work now :-)
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# [09:52] <ashish> Standard8: woot!
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# [09:53] <glob> glandium, thanks
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# [09:58] <glandium> glob: np
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# [10:05] <gaston> glandium: the burning jobs on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=f5a3a7b9c6b0 are android infra issues ?
# [10:05] <glandium> gaston: they look like so
# [10:05] <gaston> i had similar ones when i pushed to try
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# [10:06] <Kailas> Hi, Is nsIContentPolicy and nsIContentSecurityPolicy interfaces are same?
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# [10:07] <Kailas> I mean, If I want to hook "shouldLoad" interface method then which interface is better? (nsIContentPolicy or nsIContentSecurityPolicy)
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# [10:34] <darktrojan> glob, does bmo have any 'just tell me when it's fixed' option?
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# [10:35] <glob> darktrojan, not really
# [10:35] <darktrojan> damn
# [10:36] <glob> i (ab)use voting for that
# [10:36] <glob> i vote for bugs i want to follow, and set my email prefs to ignore most bug changes
# [10:37] <darktrojan> hmm yeah, forgot I could get less email depending on my relationship with the bug
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# [10:37] * darktrojan does that
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# [10:38] <darktrojan> ta
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# [10:39] <glob> yw
# [10:39] <glob> for you, no charge
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# [10:39] <gerv> glandium: pong.
# [10:40] <darktrojan> dmandelin++
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# [10:41] <NeilAway> darktrojan: really lame way is to create a tracking bug ;-)
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# [10:42] <darktrojan> NeilAway, considered it!
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# [10:46] <darktrojan> d'oh, and then I realise I'm CCed, not a voter
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# [11:04] <sawrubh> Hi I have recently joined this community and want to contribute to Firefox.. I have downloaded the source and built it..
# [11:04] <sawrubh> when I compiled the code the size of the local repo(mozilla-central) blew up from 500mb to 3.2 gb due to the object files..I wanted to ask what is a better practice : To maintain a local "pristine" repo of the code and then create another local repo of that and hack in that working directory
# [11:05] <sawrubh> or just start hacking in the original mozilla-central local repo
# [11:05] <sawrubh> coz the first option costs me 6.4 gb of space, although space is not much of a concern but I wanted to find out the Better practice
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# [11:06] <gaston> use a separate objdir and mercurial queues for hacking
# [11:07] <martyn> sawrubh, also, you might want to try the service http://dxr.lanedo.com which we're (Lanedo) helping Mozilla with at the moment
# [11:07] <martyn> it's good for code search and navigation
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# [11:09] <gcp> sawrubh: as gaston said, you can just create a subdir and tell mozconfig to put all object files in there
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# [11:10] <gcp> sawrubh: I think that's what the guides recommend, too.
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# [11:10] <gcp> <gcp> sawrubh: I think that's what the guides recommend, too.
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# [11:11] <gcp> sawrubh: hacking the code in the repo locally is fine. that's why you use hg, it'll tell you what you changed
# [11:11] <sawrubh> sorry I went offline due to network error..what did you say ?
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# [11:11] <gcp> <gcp> sawrubh: as gaston said, you can just create a subdir and tell mozconfig to put all object files in there
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# [11:13] <sawrubh> gcp, just out of curiosity, how will making a subdir and putting object files there help me over the current method(putting object files in obj-x86-* folder)..I am new so please bear with my silly questions :P
# [11:14] <gcp> if you're already doing that then it's fine
# [11:14] <Yoric> sawrubh: That's actually the same thing :)
# [11:14] <gcp> You don't need to worry about modifying the files. hg will tell you what you changed, e.g. you can see it with hg diff.
# [11:14] <gcp> To manage the changes you make into patches, read up on mercurial queues.
# [11:15] <edmorley> darktrojan: jesse has a script, lemme consult the awesomebar oracle
# [11:15] <edmorley> darktrojan: see http://www.squarefree.com/2011/06/10/tracking-after-fix-tasks/
# [11:16] <jfkthame> hmm, has someone (jduell?) broken xpcshell tests on inbound…?
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# [11:19] <jfkthame> actually, bholley's earlier push seems to have broken it for OS X opt, then jduell turned the rest of them orange to match
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# [11:21] <edmorley> jfkthame: yeah, just sifting through it now
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# [11:23] <jfkthame> edmorley: my inclination would be to just back them both out wholesale, unless you think you can do something more targeted
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# [11:23] <edmorley> yeah coming to same conclusion
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# [11:24] <jfkthame> you'll handle it then, i guess?
# [11:24] <edmorley> yup
# [11:24] <jfkthame> thanks
# [11:25] <darktrojan> edmorley, seems a bit OTT for me
# [11:25] <darktrojan> thanks anyway
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# [11:26] <edmorley> darktrojan: I suspect jesse has a load more to track due to his thousands of fuzzer bugs :-)
# [11:26] <darktrojan> probably
# [11:27] <edmorley> bholley_mobile: ping
# [11:27] <edmorley> (forget what timezone bholley's now in)
# [11:27] <edmorley> he's going to hate me in I back out CPG
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# [11:30] <Ms3ger> What broke?
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# [11:30] <jfkthame> xpcshell orange
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# [11:31] <jfkthame> interestingly, bug 650353 says that it depends on 720753…. but it landed before it, making me wonder if the dependency is actually the other way around
# [11:31] <Jesse> edmorley, darktrojan: yep, i'm currently tracking 710 bugs with after-fix
# [11:32] <darktrojan> Jesse, I'm tracking more like, 7
# [11:32] <darktrojan> :)
# [11:32] <jfkthame> the rest of us just rely on jesse pinging us if something important-to-us happens :)
# [11:33] <darktrojan> heh
# [11:33] <Ms3ger> mrbkap, luke, ping
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# [11:36] <Ms3ger> [Netscape7 7.05/20040113]
# [11:36] <Ms3ger> Wat
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# [11:38] <Ms3ger> luke_laptop!
# [11:38] <luke_laptop> Ms3ger!
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# [11:38] <Ms3ger> Would you like cpg to stick? :)
# [11:39] <luke_laptop> i just got on to tell people not to back out cpg for that one xpcshell test
# [11:39] <NeilAway> Ms3ger: back in the day, I had to spoof Netscape 7 in order for MSDN to load properly
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# [11:39] <Ms3ger> heh
# [11:40] <Ms3ger> I was somewhat concerned about your security :)
# [11:40] <luke_laptop> Ms3ger: that test was just added recently (just saw the blog post on p.m.o)
# [11:40] <luke_laptop> Ms3ger: it depends on finalization; i suspect the test is in error and we just perturbed it
# [11:41] <luke_laptop> Ms3ger: so it seems fine to temporarily disable and investigate
# [11:41] <bholley_mobile> Which test is it?
# [11:41] <bholley_mobile> Ah
# [11:41] <NeilAway> Ms3ger: well, this client only visits mozilla.org sites these days
# [11:41] <bholley_mobile> Yeah lets disable it
# [11:41] <NeilAway> Ms3ger: given that it was downloaded from a mozilla.org site in the first place, I don't think I can do much more ;-)
# [11:41] <luke_laptop> disable all the tests!
# [11:42] <edmorley> bholley_mobile, luke_laptop: wfm :-)
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# [11:44] <glandium> gerv: We're going to have two copies of jemalloc in the tree for some time, both having the same license, and both having different copyrights. How do you think these should be reflected in toolkit/content/license.html?
# [11:44] <gerv> What do you mean by "same license, different copyrights"?
# [11:44] <gerv> (And, just for my interest, why is this happening/)
# [11:44] <gerv> ?
# [11:47] <Ms3ger> We forked, but want to get improvements from upstream
# [11:47] <Ms3ger> aka "pain"
# [11:47] <luke_laptop> edmorley: would you be able to land the patch which disables the test if i file the bug? it is rather late for me so i'd probably mess something up...
# [11:48] <edmorley> luke_laptop: sure :-)
# [11:48] <luke_laptop> edmorley: thanks!!
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# [11:59] <luke_laptop> edmorley: here's the "re-enable" bug, if you'd like to include it in the commit message: bug 751505
# [11:59] <edmorley> luke_laptop: cool, thank you
# [12:00] <Yoric> luke_laptop: Do you have a link for the failures of bug 751505 ?
# [12:00] <edmorley> Yoric: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11418782&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [12:00] <Yoric> Thanks
# [12:01] <edmorley> np
# [12:01] <Yoric> I am probably the culprit, so I will look at it immediately.
# [12:01] <glandium> gerv: the original version we forked is copyright jason evans for some dates, and the new version is copyright jason evans, mofo, and facebook
# [12:01] <edmorley> Yoric: that's great, thank you
# [12:01] <luke_laptop> Yoric: thanks!
# [12:01] <glandium> gerv: we're going to do that because we're eventually going to switch to the new one, but there are issues to solve before we can. And it's better to have the new version in the tree to be able to work on it
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# [12:02] <gerv> I would just update about:license to the new one.
# [12:02] <gerv> I'm not sure that being pixel-perfect about this is actually a win for anyone.
# [12:02] <edmorley> Yoric: the tree will be pretty quiet this time of day, so I don't mind leaving xpcshell orange on just one platform/arch for an hour or so, so won't disable it
# [12:02] <glandium> gerv: okay, thanks
# [12:02] <edmorley> the tip backout will get rid of the worst of the carnage
# [12:03] <Ms3ger> gerv: while you're here...
# [12:03] <gerv> Ms3ger: Yes...? :-)
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# [12:03] <Ms3ger> We talked a while back about setting up a policy to allow submitting MoCo-copyrighted tests to the W3C, but I forgot the conclusion
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# [12:05] <Ms3ger> Who should I poke to set that up? :)
# [12:05] <gerv> Ms3ger: I suspect fantasai will know what the outcome was.
# [12:05] <gerv> She does this a lot.
# [12:05] <gerv> I can't remember if we agreed CC-0; I suspect so.
# [12:05] <Yoric> edmorley: ok, thanks
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# [12:05] <gerv> But check with her.
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# [12:05] <Ms3ger> OK, I'll ask her
# [12:05] <Ms3ger> Thanks
# [12:07] <Yoric> edmorley: Ok, I think I have found the issue.
# [12:07] <edmorley> :-)
# [12:08] <Yoric> edmorley: Can I test it against the current m-c?
# [12:08] <edmorley> only inbound has CPG
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# [12:08] <Yoric> This means that, for the first time in my life, I will have to pull from inbound?
# [12:08] <Yoric> Scary :)
# [12:08] <edmorley> I can push if that helps?
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# [12:09] <Yoric> edmorley: Well, I need to test first.
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# [12:09] <edmorley> oh sorry misread
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# [12:10] <bholley_mobile> Yoric you can cherrypick the patches
# [12:10] <Yoric> bholley_mobile: Ah, good idea.
# [12:10] <bholley_mobile> Yoric you really only need the first push. Three patches
# [12:10] <Yoric> Which changeset should I look at?
# [12:11] <luke_laptop> Yoric: tip should work
# [12:11] <luke_laptop> oh, nm
# [12:11] <edmorley> Yoric: this push https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=bed8c4e3dfdf , or else just pull and strip I guess
# [12:11] * Yoric is trying to learn how cherry-pick works on hg.
# [12:12] <Yoric> (well, probably "graft")
# [12:12] <glandium> Yoric: transplant?
# [12:12] <Yoric> or qimport
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# [12:13] <Yoric> So, https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/raw-rev/bed8c4e3dfdf should be sufficient?
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# [12:18] <luke_laptop> for xpcshell, i think so
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# [12:26] <jandem> mounir: inbound is purple
# [12:26] <Yoric> That cherry-picked code does not compile :/
# [12:26] * Yoric will try again with inbound.
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# [12:28] <mounir> jandem: looking
# [12:29] <mounir> if inbound wants to load...
# [12:29] <edmorley> mounir: there were blues on your push, so doesn't seem a problem
# [12:29] <derf> So it's okay for me to push?
# [12:29] <mounir> "python: can't open file 'tools/buildfarm/maintenance/count_and_reboot.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory"
# [12:29] <mounir> indeed
# [12:29] <edmorley> the purples are pre-existing and next on my list
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# [12:30] <edmorley> just going to merge m-c to fx-team to fix pgo there first
# [12:32] <derf> Oh, RyanVM beat me to it.
# [12:32] <derf> Literally by seconds.
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# [12:33] <edmorley> RyanVM: !!
# [12:33] <derf> That's fine, he gets to update the bug now :).
# [12:33] <edmorley> enough checkin-neededs there... hehe
# [12:33] <edmorley> RyanVM: have those all gone past try?
# [12:34] <jfkthame> what are the odds they'll all stick? ;)
# [12:35] <edmorley> RyanVM: might be worth limiting checkin-neededs to 4-5 at a time, since having finer grained talos reports in dev.tree-management makes things a lot easier
# [12:35] <edmorley> you can always do several pushes within 5 mins of each other etc
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# [12:37] <Yoric> edmorley: Looks like it's going to take quite some time to clone and build from inbound.
# [12:37] <edmorley> RyanVM: your pushing checkin-neededs is very very very appreciated though :-)
# [12:37] <edmorley> Yoric: did you use http://jlebar.com/2011/5/20/Faster_and_smaller_clones_of_branches.html ?
# [12:37] <Yoric> Nope.
# [12:37] <Yoric> Looking at it.
# [12:38] <Yoric> edmorley: Are mozilla-central and mozilla-inbound different branches? Or different repos?
# [12:39] <edmorley> repos, but the guide is for instances like these
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# [12:39] <Yoric> ok
# [12:40] * Yoric hopes it will work.
# [12:40] <darktrojan> huh. I just had the same url in my awesomebar dropdown twice
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# [12:42] <whimboo> hi. when I want to listen for when a window gets destroyed should I do it via addEventListener ("unload") or an observer ("xul-window-destroyed")?
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# [12:43] <whimboo> or 'dom-window-destroyed' respectively
# [12:43] <darktrojan> depends what for
# [12:44] <darktrojan> we use unload a lot for in-window stuff
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# [12:44] <whimboo> it's for mozmill and handlig non-modal windows
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# [12:44] <whimboo> an example would be closing the places organizer
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# [12:46] <darktrojan> I don't think it matters too much
# [12:46] <darktrojan> I'll find a test that does something like that, one mo
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# [12:47] <whimboo> darktrojan: it's working for me via the event. i just wonder what's the best option is
# [12:47] <whimboo> and what's safer
# [12:47] <whimboo> afaics with the observer notification I still have access to the window object right before it's getting destroyed
# [12:48] <whimboo> helpful if I need the value of some properties
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# [12:49] <darktrojan> what about domwindowclosed?
# [12:50] <darktrojan> just because you needed another option :)
# [12:50] <whimboo> is that an observer topic?
# [12:50] <whimboo> i can't find it here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Observer_Notifications
# [12:50] <darktrojan> yes
# [12:51] <darktrojan> oh it appears to be on the window watcher service
# [12:51] <Yoric> edmorley: Much, much faster, thanks.
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# [12:52] <darktrojan> whimboo, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIWindowWatcher#registerNotification%28%29 may be of some use
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# [12:54] <whimboo> darktrojan: mh, i think i will use the event listener for now
# [12:54] <darktrojan> might as well, if you've already got reference to the window
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# [12:54] <whimboo> darktrojan: yes, i have. it's just a check that the window has been closed
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# [12:56] <whimboo> darktrojan: thanks
# [12:56] <darktrojan> np
# [12:56] <Yoric> Weird.
# [12:56] <Yoric> dom/bindings/Utils.{cpp, h} seem to have been renamed to dom/bindings/BindingUtils.{cpp, h}
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# [12:57] <Yoric> But hg can't find out for itself that my patches on Utils.{cpp, h} should be applied to BindingUtils.{cpp, h} instead.
# [12:58] <darktrojan> hg is a bit stupid
# [12:59] <darktrojan> change the patches before you apply them
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# [13:04] <glandium> Yoric: use git ;)
# [13:04] <glandium> although I don't think git am handles that either
# [13:05] <glandium> is it possible to use hg qpush/qpop during a bisect?
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# [13:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b4d2343fff9d - Olli Pettay - Bug 751286 - eventPhase NONE constant, r=sicking
# [13:09] <@smaug> I have some other patch to land too...
# [13:09] <@smaug> I wonder which one..
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# [13:10] <darktrojan> just pick one at random
# [13:10] <glandium> smaug: toss a coin
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# [13:15] <@smaug> no coins nearby
# [13:16] <darktrojan> Math.random() < 0.5
# [13:17] <@smaug> ah, now I remember
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# [13:19] <AryehGregor> glandium, git rebase probably does handle it. That's what I would always use to maintain local patches in git, personally.
# [13:19] * AryehGregor can't guarantee it does, though
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# [13:20] <RyanVM> edmorley: ping
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# [13:21] <nigelb> Anyone remember where jdm's mentored bug finder page is?
# [13:21] <AryehGregor> Someone added a feature to Bugzilla that lets you collapse irrelevant comments? Finally!
# [13:21] <nigelb> I think it was called bugsahoy
# [13:21] <jandem> nigelb: http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/
# [13:22] <nigelb> Thanks!
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# [13:22] <jandem> yw
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# [13:25] <edmorley> RyanVM: hi :-)
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# [13:25] <RyanVM> edmorley (and any other sheriffs watching): I don't get it
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# [13:25] <Optimizer> jaws: Hi!
# [13:25] <RyanVM> this almost exact same push was green last night on tryy
# [13:25] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f1b76e0e9382
# [13:25] <RyanVM> differences from that push and today's on inbound
# [13:26] <edmorley> RyanVM: compartment per global landed, might have shaken a few thigns loose
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# [13:26] <RyanVM> maybe
# [13:26] <RyanVM> i have to leave for work
# [13:26] <edmorley> ok, I'll backout
# [13:26] <RyanVM> *sigh*
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# [13:27] <RyanVM> can you just do any possibly-suspicious ones instead of the whole batch?
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# [13:27] <RyanVM> there are a bunch that for sure aren't related
# [13:27] <edmorley> that's what I'll try first :-)
# [13:27] <RyanVM> thanks :)
# [13:27] <RyanVM> ttyl
# [13:27] <edmorley> np
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# [13:28] <@smaug> AryehGregor: ping
# [13:28] <AryehGregor> smaug, pong.
# [13:29] <@smaug> AryehGregor: so the spec has still detach()
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# [13:29] <AryehGregor> smaug, I could add a note saying that it's being considered for removal.
# [13:29] <AryehGregor> Let's see how it goes before we actually make the relevant spec changes.
# [13:29] <@smaug> AryehGregor: atm I don't know how to review Bug 579638
# [13:29] <@smaug> the patch does what the spec says
# [13:30] <@smaug> the part related to detached flag
# [13:30] <AryehGregor> smaug, oh . . . well, it's outdated. It shouldn't check the detached flag.
# [13:30] <AryehGregor> If we reinstate Detach() support for whatever reason, it should be re-added to intersectsNode too.
# [13:30] <darktrojan> Optimizer, it'd be pretty early for jaws
# [13:31] <Optimizer> oh
# [13:31] <Optimizer> what timezone ?
# [13:31] <AryehGregor> Just a minute, I'll update the spec to note the proposed removal.
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# [13:31] <darktrojan> I think he's in New York
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# [13:32] <darktrojan> ok bye
# [13:32] * edmorley wonders what we'll do in ~ a month when we hit bug 750661 again at current increase rates
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# [13:32] <darktrojan> panic?
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# [13:35] <darktrojan> go to hsivonen and say please please PLEEEASE remove the old parser?
# [13:36] <edmorley> burn it, burn it now
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# [13:38] <NeilAway> Yoric: this is why I don't use mq, I just have a tree with uncommitted changes ;-)
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# [13:40] <glob|away> AryehGregor, comment collapsing has been there for ages; it still isn't persistent however :(
# [13:41] <glob|away> AryehGregor, the recent change makes tbplbot comments collapsed by default
# [13:41] <AryehGregor> Oh, so it's hardcoded?
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# [13:41] <AryehGregor> Oh well.
# [13:41] <AryehGregor> I thought we could use it to collapse annoying useless comments too. (Although that would surely tick people off.)
# [13:42] <edmorley> I've hopefully got the right changeset out of the 18 RyanVM landed, will leave inbound closed until I get an M4 green
# [13:42] <glob|away> AryehGregor, yeah, right now bigger fish to fry however (performance, performance and also performance)
# [13:42] <glob|away> also performance.
# [13:42] <AryehGregor> As a Bugzilla user, I fully support all Bugzilla dev resources being devoted to performance. ;)
# [13:43] <AryehGregor> (out of curiosity as a former web dev: what are the major performance bottlenecks? DB? Front-end?)
# [13:43] <AryehGregor> (As a web dev, I worked on MediaWiki, so I picked up quite a bit about scalability . . . :) )
# [13:43] <glob|away> AryehGregor, depends; db when it comes to searching, front end for most stuff
# [13:43] <glob|away> the templating engine is slow
# [13:43] <glob|away> and there is *zero* caching between requests
# [13:44] <AryehGregor> What do you use for searching? MySQL fulltext, Sphinx, Lucene . . . ?
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# [13:44] <AryehGregor> (it's a MySQL backend, right?)
# [13:44] <glob|away> zero; like, each request establishes a new db connection..
# [13:44] <glob|away> mysql ft
# [13:44] <AryehGregor> MediaWiki makes crazy use of caching. 99%+ of page views are served from Squid without even touching Apache.
# [13:44] <AryehGregor> Well, probably Varnish these days, I haven't kept track.
# [13:44] <AryehGregor> But that requires a bunch of infrastructure, including a hacked Squid.
# [13:45] <glob|away> yeah, most modern systems use caching, but it's hard to retrofit
# [13:45] <AryehGregor> Yes, you have to design your feature set carefully.
# [13:45] <AryehGregor> Also, it probably won't work so easily for logged-in users -- those are <1% for Wikipedia, probably more like >50% for bmo.
# [13:45] <AryehGregor> Wikipedia is very lucky to be able to cache so much.
# [13:45] <AryehGregor> If I knew Perl I'd offer to help out, but . . . :/
# [13:46] <glob|away> yeah, most of their content is pretty static; most of what you see on bmo differs from user to user
# [13:46] <glob|away> hidden products, comments, attachments, ..
# [13:46] <edmorley> standard bmo hacking copout: check :-)
# [13:46] <glob|away> edmorley, :)
# [13:46] <AryehGregor> Right, MediaWiki also supports like nothing in the way of visibility restrictions.
# [13:47] <glob|away> side note: splinter is almost 100% javascript, which i believe some people have used....
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# [13:47] <AryehGregor> The only really supported configurations are "every non-deleted page is visible" and "every non-deleted page is hidden until you log in, except a whitelist".
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# [13:48] <glob|away> anyhow, i have some important mines to craft..
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> edmorley, well, that's what you get when your project is written in a language that declines in popularity. MediaWiki has one component (texvc) that's written in OCaml, and it gets practically no attention as a result.
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# [14:04] <edmorley> jfkthame: win debug crashtest seems to be permaorange after your landing, can you take a look please :-)
# [14:04] <jfkthame> edmorley: :( … looking
# [14:05] <edmorley> jfkthame: or should I say, a known orange seems to have gone permaorange
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# [14:05] <jfkthame> surely consistency is a good thing!
# [14:05] <edmorley> either that or 3 in a row unlucky :-)
# [14:05] <edmorley> hehe
# [14:06] <jfkthame> just loading the log to see what the assertions actually are…...
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# [14:08] <jfkthame> edmorley: i actually think that's just an unlucky 3-in-a-row, i don't see why my push would have affected it
# [14:08] <jfkthame> edmorley: let's wait for a few more results, if that's ok with you?
# [14:08] <edmorley> jfkthame: I've retriggered a few on your push
# [14:08] <edmorley> sounds good
# [14:08] <jfkthame> ok, thanks
# [14:08] <edmorley> tree is closed anyway due to the M4 and also there's now a new m-oth on ryanvm's push too
# [14:09] <edmorley> happy 18 cset checkin-needed days :-)
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# [14:11] <AryehGregor> Can we use strongly-typed C++11 enums ("enum class") behind some type of config option?
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# [14:12] * AryehGregor guesses not yet
# [14:13] <NeilAway> hmm, why do we still have Components.interfaces.nsISupportsPRBool?
# [14:14] <darktrojan> nobody got rid of it yet?
# [14:14] <edmorley> nominate NeilAway
# [14:16] <edmorley> jfkthame: four in a row now
# [14:16] <jfkthame> :(
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# [14:17] <edmorley> outlook not so good
# [14:18] <darktrojan> use thunderbird instead
# [14:18] * catlee claps
# [14:19] <edmorley> darktrojan++
# [14:19] <darktrojan> and on that note
# [14:19] <darktrojan> goodnight
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# [14:22] <jfkthame> edmorley: so, bug 307039 didn't trigger this on try (the patch had a very minor update since that run, though, so conceivably it might not be valid)
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# [14:24] <jfkthame> edmorley: ha! i believe your retriggered run on my push has gone green :)
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# [14:24] <edmorley> retrigger on your push has gone green
# [14:24] <edmorley> yeah L-)
# [14:24] <edmorley> :-)
# [14:24] <jfkthame> i plead "not guilty"
# [14:25] <edmorley> so either bad luck for all of them, or else yours was intermittent , and a later push has turned it perma
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# [14:26] <jfkthame> well… it's an nsEventDispatcher assertion, so i suppose bug 166240 could possibly be involved
# [14:27] <jfkthame> ah, it's also green on ryanvm's megapush
# [14:27] <edmorley> awesome :-)
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# [14:29] <jfkthame> edmorley: thanks for staying on top of things for us!
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# [14:32] <smontagu> jfkthame: so I'd rather do it this way for consistency http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1614133
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# [14:33] <jfkthame> smontagu: looks fine, i guess …. do we actually need to do anything here if it's not break-all, though?
# [14:33] <edmorley> jfkthame: that's ok, it's my job now ;-)
# [14:33] <jfkthame> (sorry, i was distracted for a bit by suspicious oranges)
# [14:35] <jfkthame> smontagu: did you figure out why it wasn't getting handled in FlushCurrentWord?
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# [14:37] <edmorley> Yoric: any joy with that test? :-)
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# [14:41] <jfkthame> smontagu: so apparently FlushCurrentWord only gets called for the last word (which is why the last word always worked)… AppendText handles the earlier ones directly
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# [14:43] <edmorley> catlee++
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# [14:45] <zzzzz> edmorley: \o/ green M4's on your backout
# [14:45] <edmorley> :-)
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# [14:46] <edmorley> I've reopened; there will still be the os x opt xpcshell orange, but it'll do for now
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# [14:49] <zzzzz> edmorley: now there is a red 'dr' on osx 10-7
# [14:49] <zzzzz> :(
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# [14:52] <edmorley> zzzzz: if you highlight in tbpl and look at the panel at the bottom, it says: "FAIL: Found processes still running: [451] plugin-container. Please close them before running talos"
# [14:53] <edmorley> zzzzz: which is bug 714655
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# [14:53] <zzzzz> thanks for the info -
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# [14:55] <edmorley> Yoric: ping
# [14:56] <linkmauve> Hi, I’m trying to find a regression in Firefox, but when I compile I get http://linkmauve.fr/files/moz-error.txt near the beginning. I’m on ArchLinux, with gcc 4.7, and a very small .mozconfig.
# [14:57] <linkmauve> I have the same problem on two different computers with the same system.
# [14:58] <edmorley> linkmauve: I can't answer your question, but someone is #jsapi should be able to (definately when pacific time people wake up)
# [14:58] <linkmauve> Ok, I’ll wait for the evening. :)
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# [14:58] <edmorley> linkmauve: if you http://pastebin.mozilla.org/ your mozconfig, include the link to that log + mention what repo and revision you are building from, they should be able to work it out :-)
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# [15:00] <edmorley> linkmauve: in the meantime, http://harthur.github.com/mozregression/ can get the range down to 24 hours for you
# [15:00] <edmorley> (uses nightly builds from ftp)
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# [15:00] <linkmauve> I already did that manually, my problem appeard between the 28 and the 29 march.
# [15:00] <edmorley> ah
# [15:01] <@roc> edmorley: so you're working as full-time sheriff for us now?
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# [15:02] <linkmauve> Since the nightly of the 29, no Firefox window was ever drawn, be it the browser window or the profile selector. The memory and CPU usages are correct, it behaves exactly as if it was launched, but I don’t see any window.
# [15:02] <edmorley> roc: yeah, as part of the a-team :-)
# [15:03] <edmorley> linkmauve: do you have the pushlog url for the regression range that mozregression found?
# [15:03] <edmorley> s/mozregression/was manually/
# [15:05] <linkmauve> No, I just have the approximate changesets of when I think it still worked and when it didn’t work anymore.
# [15:05] <linkmauve> How could I get the pushlog?
# [15:05] <edmorley> linkmauve: it's in the format hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=0e2658794e06&tochange=f8c388f622f1
# [15:06] <Yoric> edmorley: pong
# [15:06] <edmorley> linkmauve: replace the from and to changesets with those given in the .txt file in the ftp directory with the nightly (or from about:buildconfig)
# [15:07] <edmorley> Yoric: any luck with that test? I'll be wanting to merge inbound relatively soon, but can't with the xpcshell failure
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# [15:08] <Yoric> edmorley: Should be good.
# [15:08] <Yoric> Let me upload that patch.
# [15:08] <edmorley> thank you :-)
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# [15:09] <Yoric> edmorley: I won't have time for a review.
# [15:09] <linkmauve> Ok, so that’s http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=244991519f53&tochange=1965a2c89d61
# [15:09] <Yoric> I mean, if you want to merge soon.
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# [15:10] <Yoric> edmorley: Uploaded.
# [15:10] <sheeri> glob|away AryehGregor you know MySQL ft isn't so hot, right? sphinx/lucene are better. :D
# [15:10] <AryehGregor> sheeri, yes, MySQL FT stinks.
# [15:10] <sheeri> :D
# [15:10] <AryehGregor> Wikipedia uses Lucene.
# [15:11] <sheeri> to be fair, I'm not sure how much ft search we really do….wikipedia is VERY dependent on ft search :D
# [15:12] <edmorley> linkmauve: nothing in there leaps out at me, perhaps file a bug with that range and once you get the compile issues sorted we can narrow it further :-)
# [15:12] <linkmauve> Ok, thanks edmorley. :)
# [15:12] <edmorley> np :-)
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# [15:14] <edmorley> Yoric: seeing as it's test only I'll rs=me it for now just so we can get the tree green without backing out CPG; and I'll leave it to you to get proper review retrospectively if that's ok?
# [15:14] <edmorley> yoric what commit message what you like?
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# [15:16] <Yoric> Maybe «Bug 751505 - Better memory cleanup during the test»
# [15:16] <Yoric> I'll see for reviews with jorendorff.
# [15:16] <edmorley> thanks :-)
# [15:16] <Yoric> On the other hand, he already has a backlog of 4 of my patches to review :)
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# [15:21] <edmorley> grr stupid hg phases
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# [15:24] <edmorley> Yoric: the patch attached doesn't apply cleanly to inbound, I'm presuming it was based off of m-c? was it tested on inbound?
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# [15:24] <Yoric> edmorley: I'll check.
# [15:25] <Yoric> I had the impression that it was based off on inbound.
# [15:25] <Yoric> Obviously, I must be wrong.
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# [15:27] <Yoric> Ah, sorry, I am ahread of inbound.
# [15:28] <edmorley> shall I just skip-if for now maybe?
# [15:28] <edmorley> seeing as we're missing the review as well?
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# [15:30] <Yoric> edmorley: ok, let's do that
# [15:30] <Yoric> I will reupload in a few seconds, but let's not take chances.
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# [15:30] <edmorley> skip-if = os == "mac" should do it right?
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# [15:32] <Yoric> edmorley: Well, there is nothing mac-specific to that code.
# [15:33] <Yoric> It's just that our gc has some frighteningly non-deterministic components.
# [15:33] <edmorley> oh and it's failing on windows too
# [15:33] <edmorley> Yoric: anything to do with gc seems frightening to me tbh :-)
# [15:33] <Yoric> (e.g. whether JS values are garbage-collected can depend on the memory state of non-references in some C code)
# [15:34] <Yoric> My fix adds some manual memory cleanup to ensure that we do not depend on this.
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# [15:34] <Yoric> And the reason why it did not apply was that I also fixed a test that has not been landed yet :)
# [15:35] <mounir> edmorley: why skip-if instead of just a backout?
# [15:35] <edmorley> CPG
# [15:36] <Yoric> mounir: The test was added last week. It started oranging today.
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# [15:36] <glob> sheeri, bug 342856 (note whiteboard!)
# [15:36] <edmorley> mounir: luke and bholley_mobile's request that CPG not be backed out due to it tickling what appears to be a residual issue in a newly added test
# [15:36] <Yoric> Note that the fault is mine: my test makes too many assumptions on garbage-collection.
# [15:37] <mounir> Yoric: this is indeed bad...
# [15:37] <mounir> you will be spanked
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# [15:37] <kaze> :)
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# [15:37] <Yoric> Well, I have been spanked retroactively on my I/O code :)
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# [15:38] <Yoric> mounir: Well, for some reason, I expected the garbage-collector to perform garbage-collection of unreferenced values when I called |Components.utils.forceGC()|. Foolish me :)
# [15:39] <edmorley> Yoric: so perhaps I should just go with skip-if = true then yeah?
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# [15:39] <Yoric> edmorley: go ahead
# [15:40] <sheeri> glob that's an old ticket! But interestingly, I was just talking about Tim Ellis yesterday! (He started at the company I left for Mozilla)
# [15:40] <glob> sheeri, bah, it has 6 digits
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# [15:40] <sheeri> ha!
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# [15:41] <glob> sheeri, if you have any perls (sic) of wisdom to spread regarding sphinx, i'm all ears :)
# [15:41] <sheeri> glob I knit, I have purls of wisdom!
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# [15:43] <sheeri> glob I updated the bug
# [15:43] <sheeri> glob basically we're in the middle of upgrading bugzilla, hopefully to the end point of MariaDB 5.5, which ships with Sphinx.
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# [15:43] <glob> sheeri, note that's an upstream bug, not a bmo bug
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# [15:44] <sheeri> glob note I'd like to upgrade ALL db's to MariaDB 5.5 :D
# [15:44] <sheeri> also I want a pony
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# [15:46] <mounir> edmorley: we don't have something like "skip"?
# [15:47] <edmorley> mounir: mxr said no, and the example xpcshell.ini had that format
# [15:47] <edmorley> but yeah seems odd
# [15:47] <edmorley> once the patch by yoric gets reviewed we'll be re-enabling anyway :-)
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# [15:52] <Yoric> edmorley: If you change your mind, I have retested the simplified patch and it also seems to work.
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# [15:52] <mounir> smaug: ping
# [15:53] <edmorley> Yoric: I'm inclined to leave it disabled for now if that's ok, seeing as it hasn't had review and is no longer holding inbound hostage with respects to merging (though inbound is still in a bit of a state, don't know whether CPG has more issues falling out of what)
# [15:53] <Yoric> Ok with me.
# [15:53] <edmorley> s/of/or/
# [15:53] <Yoric> I feel better having a safety net :)
# [15:54] <edmorley> s/safety net/scapegoat/ :-)
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# [15:56] <@smaug> mounir: pong
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# [15:56] <Yoric> edmorley: Why, is there any difference? :)
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# [15:59] <Yoric> Unrelated issue: I encounter a NS_ERROR_XPC_JSOBJECT_HAS_NO_FUNCTION_NAMED.
# [15:59] <Yoric> Does this mean that the JS implementation does not have a method with that name?
# [16:00] <khuey> heh
# [16:00] <khuey> loading techcrunch in a debug build
# [16:00] <Yoric> Or that the idl does not define a method with that name?
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# [16:00] <zzzzz> to say nothing of your over-heated CPU :P
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# [16:06] <NeilAway> Yoric: I'd say that the method was missing on the impl
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# [16:08] <Yoric> Yeah, found the issue.
# [16:08] <Yoric> The human-readable error message is slightly ambiguous, though.
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# [16:11] <decoder> espindola: ping? :)
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# [16:14] <@smaug> so, if clang's error messages are annoying, so are gcc's
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# [16:16] <decoder> smaug: i actually love clang's error messages. most of the time they tell you much better whats wrong^^
# [16:16] <Yoric> I am actually a fan of clang just for that reason.
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# [16:17] <Yoric> Never tested the performance, but error messages consume less of my SANity.
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# [16:17] <espindola> decoder, pong
# [16:17] <gal> is inbound closed or open?
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# [16:17] <edmorley> gal: closed
# [16:18] <gal> I thought it just reopened again? whats up now?
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# [16:18] * edmorley changes topic to 'trees have been reopened, but be gentle, we're still close to the PGO limit || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [16:18] <edmorley> gal: see tbpl status
# [16:18] <edmorley> the /topic is not always up to date
# [16:18] <edmorley> gal: tldr; CPG
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# [16:19] <gal> k, thanks
# [16:19] <rail> espindola: hey, have you tried the new clang version? (no pressure :) )
# [16:19] <edmorley> gal: waiting on windows retriggers :-)
# [16:19] <espindola> rail, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=60ff764672dc
# [16:19] <decoder> espindola: i ran the jit-tests on 32 and 64 bit debug+O1 opt builds and there is one recursion limit being hit on 32 bit only. it's js::RunScript multiple times on the stack, each has a size of ~16 KB. is it likely that something got inlined there? and how would I find out what?
# [16:20] <espindola> decoder, I have seen cases on the js *compiler* where we inline too much
# [16:20] <espindola> You can run with -save-temps
# [16:20] <espindola> replace the .cpp with the .ii
# [16:20] <espindola> and -c with -S -emit-llvm
# [16:20] <espindola> that should show you the optimized IL
# [16:21] <espindola> you can then see which functions are inlined
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# [16:22] <sheppy> Is there a way to turn off the behavior of hiding the forward button? I never use it, but having it come and go is really weird.
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# [16:22] <decoder> espindola: right. that I have seen too re: compiler.
# [16:23] <decoder> wow that sounds complicated
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# [16:24] <edmorley> luke: still waiting on windows opt build retriggers to finish so as to confirm range (first builds failed due to infra I believe), but don't suppose you could take a look at the win opt xpcshell failures on inbound - presume they could be CPG related?
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# [16:24] <romaxa> bsmedberg: ping
# [16:24] <espindola> decoder, there might be a debug flag to show the inline decisions, but I never used that
# [16:24] <espindola> one sec
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# [16:25] <gerv> armenzg_buildduty: Are you able to help with a build question?
# [16:25] <gerv> My mozilla-inbound build is failing on Ubuntu Precise (12.04) saying it can't find Python 2.6.
# [16:25] <gerv> Which is true - Precise has 2.7.
# [16:25] <gerv> But the configure script looks like it should be OK with 2.7...
# [16:26] <wlach> gerv: I don't think there's anything in the build system that requires a specific version of python. the unit tests run on python 2.5, last i checked
# [16:26] <gerv> The configure check is
# [16:26] <gerv> "2.5 or greater, but not 3 or greater"
# [16:26] <gerv> Which I pass...
# [16:26] <gerv> Yet it is erroneously thinking I have 2.6 present,
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# [16:26] <gerv> then failing when it tries to execute it.
# [16:26] <gerv> Symbolically linking 2.6 to 2.7 makes the build run.
# [16:27] <armenzg_buildduty> gerv: I don't know much of the actual build system
# [16:27] <armenzg_buildduty> have a log?
# [16:27] <gerv> Why, thank you. I'd love a log.
# [16:27] <gerv> Oh, I see.
# [16:27] <gerv> One second.
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# [16:28] <jfkthame> gerv: maybe setting PYTHON=python2.7 in your environment would be a workaround
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# [16:28] <gerv> http://pastebin.com/hntJGAnA
# [16:29] <espindola> decoder, there is a inline-threshold flag you can play with, but the problem is more likely a big static helper being inlined
# [16:29] <espindola> so it is probably better to hunt down which one
# [16:30] <decoder> hm ok. ill take a look at the code. but i guess that function is huge by itself too :D
# [16:31] <smontagu> gerv: maybe a stale link?
# [16:31] <gerv> smontagu: Expand?
# [16:31] <gerv> You mean, I need to do a make clean?
# [16:31] <gerv> (I did copy all my stuff over from the previous Ubuntu install,
# [16:32] <gerv> including my objdir.)
# [16:32] <jfkthame> ah, that'll be the problem - i bet it's using a cached value
# [16:32] <gerv> Hmm. Build has now failed further on.
# [16:32] <gerv> OK.
# [16:32] * gerv makes clean
# [16:32] <zzzzz> sheppy: put something between the 'forward' button and the address bar, a button, or maybe even a spacer would/should do the trick
# [16:32] <sheppy> Ah
# [16:32] <zzzzz> sheppy: or use small Icons
# [16:33] <sheppy> zzzzz: yeah, I just a minute ago realized all my toolbar settings got reverted to defaults; I normally do use small icons.
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# [16:33] <@bsmedberg> romaxa: pong
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# [16:38] <zzzzz> heh! http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-05-03/
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# [16:41] <@bsmedberg> josh: ping
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# [16:44] <@ted> hah, "PGOSilverBullet"
# [16:44] <@ted> it's probably more of a bronze bullet
# [16:44] <@ted> in that it buys us a gig of VM
# [16:44] <@ted> but doesn't make the problem go away
# [16:44] <NeilAway> does anyone else using click-to-play just get a black rectangle for an embedded vimeo?
# [16:45] <edmorley> !seen bholley
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# [16:45] <edmorley> luke: ping
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# [16:46] <@ted> gerv: generally if you update your system substantially you should probably rm your objdir
# [16:46] <firebot> bholley was last seen 16 hours, 50 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying 'bz: ok' in #content.
# [16:46] <NeilAway> gerv: or at least rm config.cache
# [16:46] <gerv> ted: OK, thanks. I've done that.
# [16:46] <jdm> edmorley: he's on his mobile as bholley_mobile right now
# [16:46] <gerv> ted: Does no-one make PGOed software more complex than ours, then?
# [16:46] <gerv> There's no way around this linker limit?
# [16:47] <romaxa> bsmedberg: is my last description for OMTC embedding XRE_ api ok? could you grant approval for that API?
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# [16:47] <@bsmedberg> romaxa: I haven't looked at it yet, it's going to be a bit since I have more urgent things to take care of
# [16:47] <edmorley> jdm: bholley_mobile isn't in channel for me?
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# [16:48] <jdm> edmorley: no, but he's on irc
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# [16:48] <romaxa> bsmedberg: I see, I asked bz to check that, but he cannot do that without your signoff
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# [16:55] <glandium> gerv: there's complexity, and there's stick everything and its grand-children in big fat library
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# [16:55] <gerv> glandium: But, but, that gives us awes0me performance!
# [16:55] <@ted> yeah, it's possible that other projects of equal complexity are using PGO, but not trying to link everything together
# [16:55] <@ted> gerv: it actually does
# [16:55] <@ted> plus if the compiler wouldn't explode, you get a bigger perf win from PGOing
# [16:55] <@ted> since it can do all sorts of cross-module optimization
# [16:56] <glandium> ted: arguably, we don't need to put *everything* in one lib
# [16:56] <@ted> sure
# [16:56] <@ted> as evidenced by ehsan's spree of moving things out
# [16:56] <@ted> gerv: the only other data point i have is that chrome can't build with PGO
# [16:56] <@ted> because they hit the same limitation
# [16:56] <gerv> Makes us want to hold on to it as long as possible, then :-)
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# [16:57] <@ted> heh yeah
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# [16:57] <glandium> so, we keep saying PGO, but I wonder, how bad is memory usage with LTCG alone? (without PGO)
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# [16:57] <@ted> not sure
# [16:58] <@ted> i know PGO-on-top-of-LTCG was still a significant win
# [16:58] <@ted> we turned on LTCG first as a test run
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# [16:59] <glandium> one thing I've been thinking, is that if we don't pass /GL when building some objects, that should get memory usage down without moving things out of libxul.so
# [16:59] <glandium> xul.dll
# [16:59] <@smaug> oh, did someone change newtab
# [17:00] <@smaug> ttaubert: looks like I get the screenshots there now
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# [17:00] <@ted> glandium: yeah, that would probably work
# [17:00] <@ted> since they'd just get linked in as normal code
# [17:00] <espindola> rail, btw, have you uploaded the clang packages?
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# [17:01] <@ted> glandium: everything about this PGO nonsense makes me hate using a closed-source toolchain :-/
# [17:01] <Yoric> What's LTCG?
# [17:01] <glandium> ted: yeah, the problem would be solved with a cross-compiler
# [17:01] <gerv> ted: but presumably GCC etc. on Windows just don't cut it performancewise?
# [17:01] <froydnj> Yoric: link-time code generation
# [17:01] <glandium> Yoric: link time code generation
# [17:02] <Yoric> Oh, VS does that?
# [17:02] <Yoric> VC++, that is
# [17:02] <Yoric> Interesting.
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# [17:02] <@ted> yeah
# [17:02] <@ted> gcc has it too
# [17:02] <@ted> they call it LTO
# [17:02] <froydnj> gerv: performance is not the problem aiui
# [17:02] <@ted> Yoric: LTCG is a prerequisite for PGO on vc++
# [17:02] <glandium> ted: it's fairly recent in gcc
# [17:02] <@ted> so the compiler just parses and outputs a sort of IL
# [17:02] <Yoric> Interesting.
# [17:02] <@ted> and the linker does all the actual compilation
# [17:02] <glandium> bsmedberg: i have a problem with bug 736564, that won't show up until jemalloc3, but i
# [17:02] <@ted> so it can do cross-module optimizations
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# [17:03] <@bsmedberg> glandium: away for 15 minutes, can you send mail?
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# [17:03] <glandium> bsmedberg: i need to address it now. so the question i have is, would it be okay if jemalloc was shipped in the sdk with a generic name?
# [17:03] <Yoric> So, theoretically, with this kind of things, both VC++ and gcc could do (mostly) separate compilation of templates, without having to recompile templates at each call site.
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# [17:03] <@ted> i have no idea what the actual implementation works out to
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# [17:04] <froydnj> theoretically, yes
# [17:04] <froydnj> I don't think that's how the GCC implementation works, though
# [17:04] <@ted> froydnj: i think the biggest barrier to switching to GCC would be perf
# [17:04] <@ted> the calling convention isn't as big of a deal now that we break XPCOM binary compat willy-nilly
# [17:04] <glandium> btw, gcc/binutils' equivalent of LTCG sucks memory too
# [17:04] <@ted> glandium: yeah, but at least you can get a 64->32 cross-compiler :)
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# [17:04] <glandium> ted: yeah
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# [17:05] <froydnj> ted: have the codeweavers folks done benchmarks?
# [17:05] <zzzzz> smaug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744388
# [17:05] <@ted> beats me
# [17:05] <@ted> i think it should be possible to do a full mingw build now, jacek keeps patching it
# [17:05] <froydnj> well, at least with gcc we could implement the missing optimizations :)
# [17:05] <@ted> true
# [17:06] <AryehGregor> I've heard anecdotally that Windows Firefox on Wine is noticeably faster than native Firefox, but I haven't tried it personally. (Also, sometimes Wine cheats and makes some API calls no-ops, so perf comparison isn't always fair.)
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# [17:06] <@ted> having some sort of insight into the optimization passes would be nice as well
# [17:06] <@ted> right now they're very black-box
# [17:06] <@ted> and we occasionally trip over innocuous patches changing perf numbers wildly
# [17:07] <glandium> AryehGregor: that's not very surprising, MSVC is *really* better at issuing fast code
# [17:07] <@ted> presumably because we went past some constant
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# [17:08] <@smaug> zzzzz: thanks
# [17:08] <zzzzz> yw
# [17:09] <gerv> Hire ALL the compiler engineers!
# [17:10] <catlee> what's this mean?
# [17:10] <catlee> /usr/bin/ld: unrecognized option '--section-ordering-file'
# [17:10] <evilpie> TREE Y N OPEN?
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# [17:11] <@ted> gerv: that is one downside :)
# [17:11] <@ted> i don't know how much work it'd be to get gcc to be comparable with vc++ for perf
# [17:12] <@ted> i guess we could test
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# [17:12] <@ted> one neat side effect would be that we could probably cross-compile from linux to windows then
# [17:12] <@ted> and not have to maintain windows build slaves at all
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# [17:12] <froydnj> yup
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# [17:12] <gerv> ted: can we set up a GCC tinderbox running the perf tests, to see what the gap is?
# [17:13] <gerv> This seems like a standalone project we could fairly easily throw money at.
# [17:13] <gerv> Contract some GCC hackers to make the numbers comparable.
# [17:13] <@ted> that's probably feasible, yeah
# [17:13] <glandium> catlee: that you forgot to run configure?
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# [17:13] <@ted> jacek: you do whole-firefox builds with mingw, right?
# [17:13] * froydnj is willing to do the work without contracting out
# [17:13] <gerv> froydnj: Awesome, assuming we don't have other things for you to do :-)
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# [17:14] <catlee> glandium: hm...it used to work!
# [17:14] <@ted> and then we get to go back and do all the work again for clang
# [17:14] <jacek> ted: I'm on call, sorry. I'm very interested in this discussion and will be here as soon as I can
# [17:14] <gerv> ted: that was going to be my next question.
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# [17:14] <@ted> jacek: np, just curious
# [17:14] <gerv> Do we want to be doing this with gcc, or another compiler.
# [17:14] <@ted> dunno
# [17:14] <glandium> catlee: catlee the only reason I can think of that can trigger this message is if you ran configure with ld being gold, and built with ld being bfd ld
# [17:14] <@ted> my understanding is that GCC still beats clang in perf of the resulting code
# [17:14] <@ted> but that clang is much nicer to hack on and everyone wants to switch to that
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# [17:15] <@ted> (and we're switching there on OS X because apple has abandoned GCC)
# [17:15] <glandium> ted: plus, it's already the default on osx
# [17:15] <@ted> yes, that
# [17:16] <glandium> ted: otoh, clang does create better code than gcc for many small cases I've seen, so it has a big potential
# [17:16] <@ted> yeah
# [17:16] <@ted> does clang have LTO?
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# [17:17] <froydnj> yes, kinda? espindola: ^
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# [17:17] <jesup> ted: where did the discussion of PGOing separate (smaller) static libs and linking them together end up? So long as they're not *too* small, the biggest cross-module perf hit hit would be stuff-not-living-with-XPCOM-calling-XPCOM
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# [17:18] <@ted> jesup: turns out it doesn't actually work
# [17:18] <glandium> jesup: ended up in the trash
# [17:18] <jesup> Assuming this is possible, of course
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# [17:19] <glandium> what we can try now is to remove the /GL flag on things we don't care that much being PGOed
# [17:19] <jesup> Ah, and it's not. Too bad
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# [17:21] <espindola> ted, it has
# [17:21] <catlee> glandium: looks like js/ssrc/ctypes/libffi isn't using the same compiler
# [17:21] <espindola> I was able to build firefox with it in the 4.0 days
# [17:21] <espindola> with gold on linux
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# [17:21] <espindola> you have to reduce how much debug info is generated, or get a machine with a lot of ram :-)
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# [17:22] <espindola> catlee, that is a known bug
# [17:22] <catlee> espindola: ok
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# [17:22] <espindola> let me find the number ]
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# [17:23] <espindola> catlee, 748138
# [17:23] <espindola> looks like using "export CC=" avoid the bug
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# [17:26] * edmorley changes topic to 'inbound closed for bug 751575 | PGO failure resolved for now, but be gentle, we're still close to the PGO limit || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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# [17:27] <@ted> espindola: my understanding is that gcc's LTO takes like 8+GB to link firefox anyway
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# [17:28] <armenzg_buildduty> ehsan: did you manage to login to the machine?
# [17:28] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: nope, just replied to your email
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# [17:29] <espindola> ted, and drops all debug info
# [17:29] <@ted> espindola: really??
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# [17:29] <@ted> that seems...really bad
# [17:29] <espindola> and is not a full lto, as they partition the objects
# [17:29] <@ted> ah
# [17:29] <@ted> interesting
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# [17:29] <@ted> not that vc++'s PGO optimizer doesn't make a mess of debug info in some places
# [17:29] <@ted> but it tries
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# [17:29] <espindola> with no debug info gold would use about 1gb of ram for a 64 bit xul
# [17:29] <@ted> up until vc2010 it completely lost line info in some sections
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# [17:30] <espindola> the apple linker would use about 5 if I remember correctly, no idea why
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# [17:30] <gerv> ted: can I get some clue from you on a build question?
# [17:30] <espindola> debug info uses a lot more. I have to try again with line numbers only
# [17:30] <@ted> gerv: i can try, certainly
# [17:30] <gerv> OK.
# [17:30] <gerv> So:
# [17:30] <espindola> not that I have time to actually try it :-(
# [17:31] <gerv> toolkit/content/buildconfig.html
# [17:31] <gerv> says:
# [17:31] <gerv> #ifdef SOURCE_REPO
# [17:31] <gerv> #ifdef SOURCE_CHANGESET
# [17:31] <gerv> <h2>Source</h2>
# [17:31] <gerv> <p>Built from <a href="@SOURCE_REPO@/rev/@SOURCE_CHANGESET@">@SOURCE_REPO@/rev/@SOURCE_CHANGESET@</a></p>
# [17:31] <gerv> #endif
# [17:31] <gerv> #endif
# [17:31] <gerv> I want to do the same thing in toolkit/content/license.html
# [17:31] <gerv> However, just sticking that block in there doesn't work,
# [17:31] <gerv> even though the two files are in the same directory.
# [17:31] <gerv> Seems like they get preprocessed with different defines.
# [17:32] <gerv> What is the least intrusive way of making this work?
# [17:32] <@ehsan> gerv: look at the -D flags in the Makefile.in for that directory
# [17:32] <@ehsan> gerv: that's where those names are defined
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# [17:32] <@ehsan> gerv: and it may not be the same in all directories
# [17:32] <gerv> But the two files concerned are in the same directory.
# [17:33] <jacek> ted: feature-wise, my build miss a few components of firefox
# [17:33] <jacek> my mozconfig looks like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1614402
# [17:33] <glandium> gerv: add DEFINES += the defines you need in the Makefile
# [17:33] <gerv> toolkit/content/Makefile.in does have SOURCE_REPO defined.
# [17:33] <jacek> most of them are a matter of fixing
# [17:33] <gerv> But it looks like that makefile doesn't build license.html
# [17:34] <philor> edmorley: oh noes, we might have to disable test_writer_starvation.js? :D
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# [17:34] <@ted> gerv: oh
# [17:34] <@ted> you need #filter substitution
# [17:34] <@ted> up top
# [17:34] <jacek> installer/maintenance service are blocked by the fact that I do cross compilation and there is no functioning makensisu for linux
# [17:34] <gerv> I think its build by browser/base/Makefile.in
# [17:34] <@ted> Preprocessor.py is goofy
# [17:34] <gerv> You mean,
# [17:34] <gerv> I need to add a line
# [17:34] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/jar.mn#8
# [17:34] <gerv> #filter substitution
# [17:34] <@ted> looks like it gets built in the right dir
# [17:34] <gerv> to the top of license.html.
# [17:35] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/buildconfig.html?force=1#46
# [17:35] <@ted> yup
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# [17:35] <@ted> you have to tell the preprocessor you actually want values substituted for some reasn
# [17:35] <gerv> Performance?
# [17:35] <gerv> Anyway, I'll try that/.
# [17:35] <gerv> Thanks!
# [17:35] <@ted> np
# [17:36] <jacek> crashreported may be tricky, accessibility requires replacement for midl (which is slowly progressing in mingw-w64 by using widl from wine). other than that, I see no hard things to fix remaining parts
# [17:36] <glandium> i think it's like that because there are plenty of filters
# [17:36] <gerv> Does it need to be at the top or can it be anywhere?
# [17:36] <gerv> (Above the substitutions, obviously.)
# [17:36] <@ted> jacek: interesting, thanks!
# [17:36] <glandium> gerv: can be anywhere, but it needs to be above the substitutions
# [17:36] <gerv> OK.
# [17:37] <@ted> jacek: ANGLE might be tricky too, i guess
# [17:37] <@ted> given that it builds via VS projects
# [17:37] <glandium> gerv: another possibility, without the #filter, is to use #expand at the beginning of that line, and replace @ with __
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# [17:37] <jacek> about perf of mingw builds, I didn't test much. I did a quick test of js benchmarks which compared to nightly was slower, but not too much. and that was without lto
# [17:37] <@ted> although i think it has GYP files that generate those, so we might be able to fix that
# [17:37] <gerv> I need a #ifdef too.
# [17:37] <glandium> gerv: #ifdef doesn't need #filter
# [17:37] <gerv> Hmm.
# [17:37] <gerv> Then that's not the only problem.
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# [17:37] <gerv> Because my reporter says that
# [17:38] <gerv> the entire block which is supposed to be included
# [17:38] <gerv> isn't showing up.
# [17:38] <@ted> gerv: so re: gcc vs. msvc, sounds like we'd need to fix a bunch of stuff to even get the mingw builds to be feature-complete compared to the vs builds
# [17:38] <gerv> ted: :-|
# [17:38] <jacek> ted: yeah, we'd need proper makefiles for angle
# [17:38] <gerv> I guess the key is to work out whether this is a transient problem which will go away soon,
# [17:38] <gerv> or whether it's something we are having to live with for the forseeable future,
# [17:38] <gerv> and so should spend effort on fixing.
# [17:38] <gerv> I guess it only goes away when everyone's on 64-bit Windows?
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# [17:39] <edmorley> philor: sorry, irc on remote session sound not working again :-/
# [17:39] <glandium> another possibility is to get the msvc source
# [17:39] <edmorley> philor: and yeah, oh noes :p)
# [17:39] <gerv> OK, build finished.
# [17:39] <jacek> btw, about binary compatibility, xpcom ifaces are compatible between mingw and msvc builds
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# [17:40] <edmorley> philor: also seems almost perma-orange on Bug 738803 now
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# [17:40] <edmorley> philor: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=Rev3%20WINNT%206.1%20mozilla-inbound%20debug%20test%20crashtest
# [17:40] <gerv> ted: if I want to re-make toolkit/content/license.html, where do I have to run "make"?
# [17:40] <gerv> toolkit/ ?
# [17:40] <edmorley> philor: inbound's been in a right state today
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# [17:40] <@ted> gerv: i think it's toolkit/content
# [17:41] <glandium> ted: can you do an express review on bug 736564?
# [17:41] <@ted> since that's where the jar.mn is
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# [17:41] <@ted> glandium: after lunch
# [17:41] <gerv> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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# [17:41] <gerv> I'm using an objdir.
# [17:41] <edmorley> philor: between the mass-"woot! the tree is open"-pile-on, the 18 changeset checkin-needed, CPG and more lol
# [17:41] <glandium> gerv: make -C objdir/toolkit/content
# [17:41] <gerv> does that mean I need to run it somewhere over there.
# [17:41] <@ted> gerv: yes
# [17:41] <@ted> $objdir/toolkit/content
# [17:41] <@ted> sorry, thought that was obvious
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# [17:41] <gerv> ted: Sorry to be clueless :-)
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# [17:43] <glandium> gerv: you don't have to know everything. only bz does
# [17:43] <gerv> glandium: That's a relief. Actually, between me and my brother, we know everything. Ask me a question.
# [17:43] <philor> "This is unsafe! Fix the caller! After you fix the busted stacks! Because there's no way to know who the caller is! This sucks!"
# [17:44] <froydnj> what is CPG?
# [17:44] <gerv> froydnj: My brother knows that one.
# [17:44] <jlebar> Can someone cc me on bug 343943, please?
# [17:44] <glandium> gerv: what is the answer to life the universe and everything?
# [17:45] <gerv> jlebar: Done.
# [17:45] <jlebar> gerv, thanks.
# [17:45] <gerv> glandium: He knows that one too.
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# [17:46] <froydnj> khuey: I am enlightened, thanks
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# [17:52] <Yoric> froydnj: bug 650353
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# [17:54] <gerv> ted: license.html seems only to get re-made when I make at the top level. How do I either a) get it made in the same Makefile as buildconfig.html, or b) work out where and how to define those two defines, so I can subst them?
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# [17:55] <glandium> gerv: try make -C $objdir/toolkit/content export
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# [17:55] <glandium> gerv: or chrome, instead of export
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# [17:56] <gerv> glandium: I don't mind running make at the top level. It doesn't take long on my SSD.
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# [17:57] <mcot> hey guys, just wondering what the process is for viewing security bugs on bugzilla some of them say "You are not authorized to access bug #XXX"
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# [17:57] <gerv> I'm more focussed on how I can get these defines defined in the right place so I can use them, or move my file to be built in the right bit of the system so they are already defined.
# [17:57] <gerv> mcot: depends why you want to view it :-)
# [17:57] <gerv> Ask the person who drew your attention to the bug.
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# [17:57] <rillian> if they add you to the cc list, then you'll be able to read it
# [17:58] <mcot> ah ok
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# [17:58] <mcot> thats more or less what I was asking if there was a policy of some sort
# [17:58] <gerv> mcot: Depends why it's secure.
# [17:58] <gerv> There are several possible reasons (IT request, Legal bug, Firefox security, website security...)
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# [17:59] <sheppy> gerv: talking about people behind their backs...
# [17:59] <gerv> But basically, the answer is: you need a good reason, then ask someone who can see it to CC you.
# [17:59] <gerv> sheppy: Hopefully not! :-)
# [17:59] <sheppy> :)
# [17:59] <mcot> thanks
# [17:59] <gerv> I'm sure Mozillians are far too mature to do something like that.
# [17:59] <sheppy> Hahahahahahahahaha
# [17:59] <gerv> After all, as we have been all told recently, we are a welcoming and inclusive community.
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# [18:00] <gerv> glandium: FYI, neither make with "export" nor with "chrome" did anything different.
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# [18:01] <mcot> more or less I am just curious about security bugs in large code bases and how they get fixed
# [18:01] <mcot> but I can see a need to lock some of them that give obvious details that would lead to exploits
# [18:02] <edmorley> sheppy: isn't that what yammer is for...? ;-P
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# [18:02] <sheppy> Oh yes
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# [18:03] <Ms2ger> Nah, yammer is for technical discussions where you don't want contributors' interference :)
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# [18:04] <Ms2ger> Good luck
# [18:04] <Ms2ger> I mostly remove code ;)
# [18:04] <jhammel> Ms2ger++
# [18:04] <edmorley> luke: ping
# [18:04] <gerv> mcot: If you are curious, you can read all the fixed ones.
# [18:04] <gerv> Look for the Mozilla Security Advisories on the website;
# [18:04] <romaxa> bsmedberg: do you know where could be the problem with browsercomps build dependency... I see toolkit/library adding deps to libbrowsercomps.a.desc, but it is not build at that moment
# [18:04] <gerv> they have links to all the bugs.
# [18:05] <espindola> rail-lunch, the new clang package is good enough
# [18:05] <espindola> you can remove the old one
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# [18:05] <mcot> ah, I was reading that site
# [18:05] <mcot> I just assumed they were fixed since they were posted there
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# [18:05] <edmorley> :-)
# [18:06] <mcot> but going back further in the dates it appears most of the older ones are resolved fixed and not locked
# [18:06] <mcot> thanks
# [18:07] <khuey> mcot: they get opened a few weeks after release
# [18:07] <luke> edmorley: pong
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# [18:07] <khuey> to give people time to update and whatnot
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# [18:08] <edmorley> luke: sorry misread buildapi, thought it was the second push for CPG that caused the problem, but it's not, it was present on the first too
# [18:09] <luke> edmorley: ooh, does that mean i can ignore that bug that was just filed?
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# [18:09] <edmorley> luke: it was still caused by CPG, but by the first push of bholley's not the 2nd
# [18:10] <edmorley> luke: not that you would have wanted the 2nd pulled out either no doubt, but anyway :-)
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# [18:10] <zzzzz> edmorley: you need to requisition one of these: http://www.neowin.net/news/pc-maker-creates-massive-pc-as-starship-bridge-system
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# [18:10] <luke> edmorley: ah, well, i'll start looking at that
# [18:10] <edmorley> ha that's pretty nice
# [18:12] <gfritzsche> hm... so many bugs, which to pick :|
# [18:13] <Ms2ger> My pet bug!
# [18:13] * Ms2ger checks if he has one
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# [18:13] <gfritzsche> heh
# [18:14] <sheppy> Ms2ger: don't you love all the bugs?
# [18:14] <jdm> but does he love them all equally?
# [18:14] <jhammel> Ms2ger: this one? http://wheredaveis.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/kafka3.JPG
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# [18:15] <Ms2ger> firebot, bug 745552?
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# [18:15] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745552 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Move Element::GetInlineStyleRule/SetInlineStyleRule to nsStyledElementNotElementCSSInlineStyle
# [18:16] <khuey> mmm
# [18:16] <khuey> ABP is trying to access a dead object 5 times a second
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# [18:19] <dougt> khuey: yeah, i see that too
# [18:19] <gerv> bsmedberg: Does Thunderbird ship the Microsoft directX DLLs, or only Firefox?
# [18:19] <dougt> something in ObjectTabs.jsm 332
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# [18:20] <@bsmedberg> gerv: directx? I have no idea
# [18:20] * @bsmedberg wasn't aware that we shipped directx dlls
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# [18:20] <gerv> Direct3D.
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# [18:20] <gerv> See the bottom of about:license in a Windows build.
# [18:20] <gerv> Apparently they are needed for ANGLE.
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# [18:21] <gerv> http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/licensing/binary-components/
# [18:21] <@bsmedberg> I am not the right person to be asking about this. joe perhaps?
# [18:22] <khuey> dougt: yep
# [18:22] <dougt> is m-i closed but m-c isn
# [18:22] <dougt> 't
# [18:22] <joe> hi
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# [18:22] <@bsmedberg> http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html
# [18:23] <joe> gerv: does thunderbird --enable-angle or whatever is necessary to turn it on?
# [18:23] <joe> gerv: if so, they ship Microsoft's DLLs
# [18:23] <sheppy> Ok, need to roll out for a while. I will be back later. If questions come up, feel free to email. eshepherd@mozilla.com
# [18:24] <sheppy> Wrong channel, sorry. :)
# [18:24] <joe> gerv: oh, ANGLE is actually unconditionally enabled
# [18:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/55888632fa91 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 750051 - Disable window.find in Fennec because it breaks and/or crashes [r=jst]
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# [18:24] <squib> joe: thunderbird disables hardware acceleration by default, so it might not matter to the end user
# [18:24] <dougt> bsmedberg: if you used twitter, you'd would have seen that 30 minutes ago. :)
# [18:25] <joe> gerv: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/angle/Makefile.in#148
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# [18:25] <joe> squib: no, but that doesn't change what we shp
# [18:25] <gerv> joe: looks like it's enabled by default,
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# [18:25] <gerv> and I can't see Thunderbird disabling it.
# [18:25] <@bsmedberg> dougt: then thank god I don't use the twitters
# [18:25] <joe> you in fact can't disable it
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# [18:25] <joe> without hacking gfx/Makefile.in
# [18:25] <gerv> squib: then perhaps they could save 800k of download size on Windows by not shipping it...
# [18:25] <squib> joe: true, but thunderbird could probably avoid shipping it without anyone noticing
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# [18:25] <joe> i don't know if thunderbird uses WebGL
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# [18:26] <joe> but they'd have to turn off compilation of WebGL for libxul to continue to link
# [18:26] <squib> joe: it's theoretically possible that an RSS feed would use it
# [18:26] <joe> yeah
# [18:26] <joe> i am not boo-hooing about that
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# [18:26] <squib> but like i said, i bet no one would even notice if it were removed
# [18:28] <khuey> a webgl rss feed?
# [18:28] <khuey> what is the world coming to?
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# [18:33] <@smaug> I can't find the missing star
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# [18:33] <@smaug> in tbpl
# [18:33] * Ms2ger gives smaug a gold star
# [18:33] <mbrubeck> smaug: What are you looking for?
# [18:34] <dherman> ok, dumb question. I thought (textually) later CSS overrides earlier CSS? does an earlier table { } override a later #foo table.bar { } ?
# [18:34] <Ms2ger> No
# [18:34] <mbrubeck> If you're looking for an unstarred job, you can click on the square in the top right that has no green badge; or you can type "U" to show only unstarred jobs.
# [18:34] <@smaug> mbrubeck: tbpl gives me [1]
# [18:34] <mounir> smaug: re-ping
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# [18:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/625cac524c57 - Honza Bambas - Bug 745254, r=kaie
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# [18:34] <Ms2ger> dherman, textually later overrides only if the specificity of the selectors is the same
# [18:34] <@smaug> mounir: re-pong
# [18:34] <@ehsan> does anybody remember where we put the path names to the msvc compiler in the mozconfigs?
# [18:35] <@ehsan> armenzg_lunch: you maybe? ^
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# [18:35] <dherman> Ms2ger: shouldn't #foo table.bar be more specific than table?
# [18:36] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [18:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/82fad02b755a - Olli Pettay - Bug 751561 - Call forgetSkippable at least twice before CC, r=mccr8
# [18:36] <dherman> oh, foo. I mis-read the inspector
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# [18:37] <Ms2ger> smaug, the coloured squares at the top-right might help in that case
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# [18:38] <mounir> smaug: I've a new draft for the Web Activities with two proposal for postResult/postError, do you want to have a look and give your opinion?
# [18:38] <@smaug> mounir: if you move the methods out from the event, I'm happy with it :)
# [18:39] <mounir> smaug: don't want to know mare about it?
# [18:39] <mounir> really interesting how people run away when they see that spec :)
# [18:39] <@smaug> nah, I don't even know why we need web activities :)
# [18:39] <Ms2ger> What are web activities?
# [18:40] <mounir> Ms2ger: our saner -I hope- version of Web Intents
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# [18:40] <philor> wow, CPG is an impressive perf regression
# [18:40] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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# [18:40] <Ms2ger> Being worked on, I assure you ;)
# [18:40] <@smaug> mounir: but if you have a link to your new proposal, I could look at it.
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# [18:40] <Ms2ger> Or you could clean up docshell :)
# [18:40] <@smaug> philor: which tests ?
# [18:41] <Ms2ger> tpaint?
# [18:41] <philor> dromaeo css, ...
# [18:41] <@smaug> how much?
# [18:42] <philor> since the regression script has sent probably 20 or 30 mails to m.d.tree-management about it so far, might be better to look at that than have me copy-paste them
# [18:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3e391f4c1bcb - Ali Juma - Bug 748048 - Part 1: Remove SetInvalidationDimensions and GetInvalidationDimensions. r=roc
# [18:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5be71aa88a16 - Ali Juma - Bug 748048 - Part 2: Don't restrict invalidation to the widget's boundaries on Android. r=roc
# [18:44] <philor> but randomly, 1% - 20%
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# [18:45] <edmorley> it's also caused bug 751575 and has seemingly turned 738803 almost perma-orange
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# [18:45] <mounir> smaug: a version: http://mounir.pastebin.mozilla.org/1614550
# [18:45] <philor> oh, most of the huge regressions are just in RSS, we don't mind using a ton of memory do we?
# [18:46] <Ms2ger> Nah
# [18:46] <Ms2ger> As long as the linker doesn't
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# [18:46] <@smaug> philor: make sure bholley knows about the regressions
# [18:46] <@smaug> please
# [18:46] <edmorley> philor: how else am I going to make use of all of this shiny new 8GB of RAM :-)
# [18:46] <philor> maxheap increase 34.8% on winnt 5.2, that'll go nicely on my memory-starved winnt 5.2 machine :)
# [18:47] <mounir> smaug: another version: http://mounir.pastebin.mozilla.org/1614551
# [18:47] <philor> smaug: nope, I absolutely am not going to take over the job of perfmeister from the current nobody who does it
# [18:48] <@smaug> mounir: I may almost understand the API
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# [18:48] <@smaug> handled and handledchange are indeed strange names
# [18:48] <mounir> w00t :)
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# [18:48] <@ehsan> luke: ping
# [18:48] <@smaug> mounir: what about .done
# [18:49] <mounir> .done for what?
# [18:49] <@smaug> s/.handled/.done/
# [18:49] <@smaug> er
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# [18:49] <@smaug> it isn't a boolean
# [18:49] <@smaug> I thought .handled was a boolean
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# [18:49] <@smaug> since it sounds like a boolean property
# [18:49] <mounir> actually, the name is weird because the word doesn't mean "handled or not" but "the activity being handled"
# [18:49] <mounir> I had "caller" in mind but I can't use that word ;)
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# [18:50] <mounir> the second proposal is fixing that issue
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# [18:50] <mounir> I prefer the second version
# [18:50] <@smaug> mounir: the problem is that I have no idea what should be used in the caller and what in the page which is handling the activity
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# [18:51] <NeilAway> can you ifdef a component manifest?
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# [18:51] <mounir> smaug: a page that wants to call an activity as to call navigator.activity.start(activityObject);
# [18:51] <mounir> handlers have to register themselves before (navigator.activity.registerHandler(handlerObject)
# [18:51] <mounir> and might be called and in that case, an event will be fired on navigator.activity
# [18:52] <@smaug> mounir: right. But postResult would be in the page handling the activity ?
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# [18:52] <mounir> and navigator.activity.{request,handled} will be set
# [18:52] <mounir> smaug: yes
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# [18:52] <mounir> the activity might require a result to be sent back
# [18:52] <@smaug> I think there should be different interfaces for starting an activity and for the page handling it
# [18:52] <mounir> like "edit this image"
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# [18:55] <mounir> smaug: like navigator.activity and navigator.activityHandler or just to interfaces on the same object?
# [18:55] <@smaug> mounir: different objects
# [18:55] <mounir> s/to/two/
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# [18:56] <mounir> that's a bit weird
# [18:56] <mounir> because there is only one method that isn't about handling
# [18:56] <mounir> which is "start()"
# [18:56] <@smaug> the register stuff could be somewhere else
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# [18:57] <@smaug> and then kind of different API for the communication
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# [18:57] <mounir> like?
# [18:57] <mounir> smaug: if you want to speak about that a bit deeper, I can start an etherpad
# [18:58] <@smaug> var a = new Activity({ name: "foobar" }); a.ondone = function(e) { alert("activity finished");} a.start();
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# [18:59] <glandium> gerv: did you solve your problem?
# [18:59] <mounir> we don't need that, the DOMRequest handle that already
# [18:59] <gerv> glandium: See bug 751599.
# [18:59] <mounir> the event is called on the handler
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# [18:59] <mounir> when there is a new activity to handle
# [18:59] <gerv> Turns out one copy is getting correctly pre-processed,
# [18:59] <gerv> but not the copy we display!
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# [18:59] <@smaug> mounir: well, why do we have start() somewhere under navigator
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# [19:01] <glandium> gerv: haha
# [19:01] <mounir> smaug: the caller do navigator.activity.start()
# [19:01] <mounir> the handler receive the event
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# [19:01] <@smaug> mounir: so, what is request.onsuccess vs. onhandledchange ?
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# [19:01] <mounir> and has the object under navigator.activity filed
# [19:01] <@ehsan> catlee: ping
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# [19:04] <edmorley> ehsan: I was thinking of scripting the fetching of all the nightly logs since the linker usage values were added, so we can see what the big increases were, if that would be of use?
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# [19:04] <@ehsan> edmorley: for sure
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# [19:05] <armenzg_buildduty> ehsan: I will look into it; did you figure it out?
# [19:05] <mounir> smaug: the success event is sent to the caller
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# [19:05] <mounir> smaug: the handlechange event is sent to the handler
# [19:05] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: not yet
# [19:06] <@smaug> mounir: uh, I'm lost again
# [19:06] <@bz_sleep> so a question
# [19:06] <@smaug> what does handledchange event do ?
# [19:06] <@bz_sleep> if I'm compilng on mac
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# [19:06] <@bz> and I want to link to a library
# [19:06] <mounir> smaug: inform the handler a new activity has to be handled
# [19:06] <edmorley> philor, ehsan: thoughts about inbound reopening? do we think disabling that test will be the last of it, or not? windows builds taking an age as ever
# [19:06] <@bz> and I have both a .a and a .dylib for it
# [19:06] <mounir> smaug: |handled| will be the object representing that activity
# [19:06] <@ehsan> edmorley: what's the issue?
# [19:06] <@bz> can I somehow force the linker to link in the .a instead of linking to the .dylib?
# [19:06] <mounir> smaug: my second link is clearer I believe
# [19:06] <@bz> (the .a seems to have a symbol that the .dylib does not)
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# [19:07] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: found it!
# [19:07] <armenzg_buildduty> ehsan: where was it?
# [19:08] <edmorley> ehsan: the win opt perma-purple xpcshell caused by CPG, test now disabled on inbound tip, builds eta 75 mins then xpcshell another ~50
# [19:08] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: build/win32/mozconfig.vs2010
# [19:08] <jfkthame> bz: presumably you could just give the linker the actual name of the .a, instead of using the -l flag and relying on it to find the lib
# [19:08] <@ehsan> edmorley: let's wait :/
# [19:08] <edmorley> ehsan: I'm inclined to leave it closed until confirmed, particularly given how much people piled on inbound when it reopened after PGO
# [19:09] <edmorley> yeah
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# [19:09] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: so, here's a question: where are the vs tools installed on 32-bit builders?
# [19:10] <catlee> ehsan: pong
# [19:10] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: ok, so here's the deal
# [19:10] <@smaug> mounir: let me think about this
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# [19:10] <mounir> smaug: please
# [19:10] <@smaug> mounir: I might have a proposal soon
# [19:10] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: for win32-on-win64 builds, I think we should
# [19:10] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: use a different mozconfig
# [19:10] <@smaug> mounir: like, later today
# [19:10] <armenzg_buildduty> ehsan: D:\
# [19:10] <@bz> jfkthame: hmm. Lemme try
# [19:11] <@ehsan> edmorley: agreed
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# [19:11] <@ehsan> catlee: is it possible to CC the people who regress something on the regression emails?
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# [19:11] <catlee> ehsan: yeah...I think there's a bug about that
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# [19:12] <mounir> smaug: ok, feel free to send me an email with your proposal
# [19:12] <@ehsan> catlee: can you bump the priority on that?
# [19:12] <luke> ehsan: pong
# [19:12] <@ehsan> catlee: I'm getting the impression that nobody reads dev-tree-mgmt these days
# [19:12] <catlee> ehsan: I think it was blocked on figuring out if a revision was part of a merge or not
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# [19:12] <fabrice1> mounir: smaug: you're changing everything? ;)
# [19:12] <catlee> ehsan: yeah, me too :\
# [19:12] <catlee> ehsan: would putting it in tbpl help?
# [19:12] <@ehsan> luke: nm, you guys landing OCPG without telling anybody that it's gonna regress talos just confused us :(
# [19:12] <mounir> fabrice1: yes, for your pleasure :)
# [19:12] <luke> ehsan: bz knew
# [19:13] <fabrice1> \o/
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# [19:13] <@ehsan> luke: bz is not everyone ;)
# [19:13] <luke> ehsan: i'm not sure how to tell everyone
# [19:13] <@ehsan> catlee: putting what in TBPL?
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# [19:13] <catlee> ehsan: the regressions
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# [19:13] <@ehsan> luke: dev-tree-platform/dev-tree-management :)
# [19:13] <@ehsan> catlee: yeah maybe
# [19:13] <luke> ahhh
# [19:13] <@ehsan> catlee: but I was thinking about just emailing those people who get mentioned in the emails
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# [19:14] <catlee> ehsan: yeah; still trying to find that bug
# [19:14] * @ehsan wonders how many people are even subscribed to dev-tree-management...
# [19:14] <@ehsan> catlee: thanks
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# [19:14] <catlee> philor and I were talking about this the other day
# [19:14] <mbrubeck> ehsan: "about as many as watch TBPL"?
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# [19:15] <@ehsan> catlee: honestly I can't keep up with the volume
# [19:15] <catlee> ehsan: ditto
# [19:15] <@ehsan> catlee: and everytime I want to act on a regression, people get pissed off at me
# [19:15] <@ehsan> which gets tiring after a while :/
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# [19:15] <@ehsan> which causes me to not care
# [19:15] <@ehsan> (and others too)
# [19:15] <@ehsan> which causes us to blindly regress perf
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# [19:15] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Putting it on TBPL (or a similar tool) would make it easier to spread the work since the first person to investigate a report could then star it, preventing others from duplicating that.
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# [19:16] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: nobody watches tbpl
# [19:16] <catlee> ehsan: why do they get mad at you?
# [19:16] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: I'm assuming that people read their mail
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# [19:16] <@ehsan> catlee: that's a long conversation, and it's not my main point
# [19:16] <mbrubeck> right, I'm just thinking about tools for coordinating between the 3 or 4 of us who actually watch TBPL and tree-management.
# [19:17] <@ehsan> let's say that it happens ;)
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# [19:17] <catlee> I was thinking that if they were on tbpl, at least they could be starred
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# [19:17] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: I'd definitely like to see this info on TBPL too, but I think the shorter term win is to email them
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# [19:17] <@ehsan> so that they know
# [19:17] <philor> I'm pretty sure that "not knowing if someone else has dealt with it" is the least of our problems
# [19:17] <mbrubeck> reducing some of the duplication of mails would be nice too, like not notifying for the same regression as it gets merged from branch to branch.
# [19:17] <catlee> ok, so apparently the code supports it...
# [19:17] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: I wouldn't worry about emailing multiple times ;)
# [19:18] <mbrubeck> and anything we can do to make the blame more accurate.
# [19:18] <@ehsan> too many times is better than no times
# [19:18] <@ehsan> catlee: \o/
# [19:18] <mbrubeck> ehsan: My problem is I don't know whether to spend time and energy investigating a report, since I don't know if someone else has already looked at it and determined it's not a real problem or whatever
# [19:19] <mbrubeck> The last few times I looked into regression mails, I ended up finding a bug that already had a comment in it about the regression.
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# [19:19] <catlee> http://hg.mozilla.org/graphs/rev/da91ebe9768f
# [19:19] <mbrubeck> Which is another thing discouraging me from spending the time in the future.
# [19:19] <armenzg_buildduty> ehsan: catlee mbrubeck philor the A-team wants to pick some of the work to integrate regression reporting on tbpl
# [19:19] <edmorley> ehsan: your comments about the regression reporting experience mirror mine
# [19:19] <edmorley> as do that of volume
# [19:19] <armenzg_buildduty> Signal from Noise is the name of the project
# [19:19] <catlee> http://hg.mozilla.org/graphs/rev/da91ebe9768f#l6.764 in particular
# [19:19] <catlee> armenzg_buildduty: what's the timeline on that?
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# [19:19] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: the problem that I'm trying to solve is to inform people that they have regressed perf
# [19:20] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: cause really it's those people who can act best on fixing it
# [19:20] <catlee> ehsan: want me to turn that on inbound?
# [19:20] <armenzg_buildduty> catlee: I can ask on today's meeting
# [19:20] <@ehsan> catlee: and central please
# [19:20] <armenzg_buildduty> I have missed the last 2 meetings
# [19:20] <@ehsan> catlee: oh, and we want this on all other branches which merge to central
# [19:20] <armenzg_buildduty> I would be surprised if they can get to it soon as they already way to much in their plate
# [19:20] <armenzg_buildduty> oh mobile
# [19:20] * @ehsan doesn't have a full list
# [19:21] <catlee> ehsan, ok, I'll give it a shot
# [19:21] <catlee> on inbound for now
# [19:21] <@ehsan> ty
# [19:22] <catlee> I think people will get upset when they're mailed about a merge
# [19:22] <catlee> oh wait, it's a global pref
# [19:22] * catlee flips it
# [19:23] <zzzzz> that will work until folks that are getting slammed with e-mails filter then to the 'junk' folder and never look
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# [19:24] <catlee> ehsan: maybe a good thread to take up on the newsgroups?
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# [19:24] <jfkthame> i wish the mails didn't have links like the one that just came out….
# [19:24] <jfkthame> Changeset range: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=d624dbe9e0c6&tochange=d624dbe9e0c6
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# [19:25] <jfkthame> which shows me….. nothing
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> Maybe put "Kilimanjaro" in the sibject
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# [19:25] <Ms2ger> subject, even
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# [19:27] <khuey> lsblakk: ping
# [19:27] <@ehsan> catlee: what should the thread discuss?
# [19:27] <decoder> can stuff be landed on central directly right now? (npotb)
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# [19:27] <catlee> ehsan: how to manage regressions
# [19:27] <catlee> and oranges too I guess?
# [19:27] <jviereck> what's the best way to look at failing ref tests?
# [19:27] <catlee> seems like it's gotten worse since inbound
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# [19:28] <jviereck> I just see the image-data dumped to the console
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# [19:28] <Ms2ger> decoder, sure, regular tree rules apply
# [19:28] <@dbaron> philor, edmorley, could I interest one of you in filing https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11431745&tree=Mozilla-Aurora ?
# [19:28] <catlee> armenzg_buildduty, robcee: I added Fx-Team to the regression mail
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# [19:28] <khuey> catlee: you mean telling people they don't need to care about the tree made it worse? ;-)
# [19:28] <decoder> Ms2ger: ok :) thx
# [19:28] <catlee> khuey: weird
# [19:28] <@dbaron> philor, edmorley, appears to not be 745756 or 747737
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# [19:30] <philor> dbaron: you could maybe interest me in closing aurora until people start following the tree rules or admit that we don't give a shit about test failures
# [19:30] <lsblakk> khuey: pong
# [19:30] <@ted> jviereck: there's a reftest-analyzer.xhtml in the tree somewhere
# [19:30] <philor> but then I'd have to notice we don't care on beta, or esr10, or central either
# [19:30] <@ted> that lets you paste in log snippets
# [19:31] <khuey> lsblakk: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751619#c1
# [19:31] <jviereck> ted: is there a way to dump the failing refs to files?
# [19:31] <jfkthame> running reftest normally creates a reftest.log that contains everything
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# [19:32] <jfkthame> just load that into reftest-analyzer to look at the failures
# [19:32] <robcee> catlee: awesome. thank you!
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# [19:32] <armenzg_buildduty> catlee: did you land anything? I can't see it
# [19:32] <glandium> smaug: ping
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# [19:33] <catlee> armenzg_buildduty: no, it's on cruncher
# [19:33] <armenzg_buildduty> ah
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# [19:34] <jviereck> jfkthame: where should I be able to find this file?
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# [19:34] <jfkthame> jviereck: in your objdir
# [19:35] <jfkthame> at least assuming you used "make -C objdir reftest" to run tests
# [19:35] <jfkthame> or some equivalent of that
# [19:35] <@ted> jviereck: not AFAIK
# [19:35] <@ted> jviereck: but you can load the data: URIs directly in the browser
# [19:35] <jviereck> jfkthame: found it, thanks :)
# [19:36] <@ted> philor: when you were talking about busted stacks, you mean the linux x86-64 ones?
# [19:36] <edmorley> catlee: I just got an email for fx-team, so working there at least (albeit it was a backout)
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# [19:36] <jfkthame> jviereck: load layout/tools/reftest/reftest-analyzer.xhtml, then load your reftest.log into that and enjoy :)
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# [19:36] <edmorley> catlee: in fact I got two for the same thing; expected?
# [19:37] <catlee> edmorley: woo
# [19:37] <marco> mak, ping
# [19:37] <philor> ted: no, assertions
# [19:37] <catlee> edmorley: no, probably not...
# [19:37] <catlee> edmorley: are they identical?
# [19:37] <@ted> philor: ugh
# [19:37] <@ted> where are the stacks for those busted?
# [19:37] <edmorley> catlee: one addressed to <email>, other Firstname Lastname <email>
# [19:37] <edmorley> catlee: otherwise seems identical
# [19:37] <catlee> ah, hm
# [19:38] <philor> ted: above https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11428930&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1#error0
# [19:38] <catlee> yeah, b/c it tries to email both the author and the pusher
# [19:38] <catlee> and the emails are different
# [19:38] <edmorley> catlee: ah
# [19:39] <jfkthame> catlee: looks like i got two mails for the same merge (they're to the same address), presumably because i had two bugs in the merged range....
# [19:39] <catlee> I could disable the pusher notification?
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# [19:39] <jfkthame> catlee: would be nice if that could be collapsed
# [19:40] <catlee> jfkthame: is it a case of <email> vs Firstname Lastname <email> ?
# [19:40] <Bas> khuey: Any chance you could r+ bug751463
# [19:40] <Bas> More out of libxul more better.
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# [19:40] <@ted> philor: that is probably eminently fixable nowadays
# [19:40] <jfkthame> catlee: no, neither of them have First Last
# [19:40] <jfkthame> catlee: both just have <email>
# [19:40] <@ted> Jesse: making fix_stack_using_bpsyms.py work on windows should be easy, right?
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# [19:41] <catlee> jfkthame: hm, they shoudl be collapsed then
# [19:41] <khuey> Bas: looking
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# [19:41] <jfkthame> catlee: looks like it…. let me try comparing raw message source……
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# [19:42] <khuey> Bas: done
# [19:42] <Bas> khuey: Thanks, I'll push to try and if it passes put it on inbound :)
# [19:42] <khuey> you didn't try it first? :-P
# [19:43] <jfkthame> catlee: ah, no, one of them does have Firstname Lastname…. thunderbird didn't make that easy to see at first
# [19:43] <Bas> khuey: Meh, I figured I didn't really need to, but then realized m-i is busy and busted enough as is so I better verify just to be sure :)
# [19:43] <catlee> jfkthame: ok, that should be on the next pass
# [19:43] <jfkthame> yup, thanks
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# [19:44] <edmorley> *** for those waiting on inbound, ETA for the green tests we need is 1200-1230 PDT ***
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# [19:46] <taras> Bas: around?
# [19:46] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Another problem is that few people understand what many of the talos suites actually measure. :/
# [19:46] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: I can't claim to understand them all myself
# [19:47] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: it would make things a lot better if we imported those tests into the tree
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# [19:47] <@ehsan> and made it super easy for people to run them
# [19:47] <mbrubeck> and there's no great per-suite documentation, and figuring it out from the source code often involves tracking down files in multiple repos (and pagesets in non-redistributable tarballs...)
# [19:47] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: ping
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# [19:47] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: agreed
# [19:47] <Bas> taras: I am.
# [19:48] <armenzg_buildduty> ehsan: pong
# [19:48] <@ehsan> armenzg_buildduty: should I create a PGO build?
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# [19:48] <armenzg_buildduty> ehsan: yes, please!
# [19:49] <armenzg_buildduty> as close as possible to what we do for win32 current builds
# [19:49] <jhammel> ehsan: IIRC, (most of) the tests cant live in the tree "for legal reasons"
# [19:49] <jhammel> or anywhere else public, for that matter :/
# [19:49] <taras> Bas: snappy meeting in 19min, feel free to join
# [19:50] <@ehsan> jhammel: those are the Tp5 pageset files
# [19:50] <@ehsan> the rest can live in the tree
# [19:50] <@ehsan> jhammel: in fact they currently live in another public repo
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# [19:50] <Bas> taras: Ugh, I'm just starting dinner, I'll have finished by then probably though :)
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# [19:50] <taras> Bas: if you show up late, it's ok
# [19:50] <jhammel> ehsan: indeed
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# [19:53] <@ehsan> has anyone looked into why pymake is borked on our builders?
# [19:53] <khuey> it's not borked
# [19:53] <edmorley> packaging
# [19:53] <khuey> at least it didn't use to be
# [19:53] <khuey> there's just some l10n stuff that doesn't work
# [19:54] <edmorley> oh yeah s/packing/l10n/ even
# [19:54] <@smaug> glandium: pong
# [19:55] <@ehsan> khuey: I'm working on a builder, let me assure you that it is ;)
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# [19:55] <khuey> ehsan: does the builder have python 2.5 on it?
# [19:55] <@ehsan> khuey: 2.6.5
# [19:55] <@ted> it worked fine when catlee last tested it
# [19:55] <khuey> yeah
# [19:56] <@ted> just got hung up on l10n
# [19:56] <khuey> how is it borked?
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# [19:56] <@ted> mbrubeck: one of the chromium devs had a neat idea to generate a pageset from archive.org
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# [19:56] <@ted> since then you can just distribute a script that fetches the pageset
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# [19:57] <@ehsan> khuey: I can file a bug if it helps
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# [20:01] <catlee> we have python 2.7 on the windows builders now
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# [20:02] <@ehsan> khuey: bug 751638
# [20:02] <@ehsan> catlee: python.exe here is 2.6.5
# [20:02] <catlee> ehsan: it just got installed last week
# [20:02] <catlee> into d:\mozilla-build\python27 or something
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# [20:02] <@ehsan> ok
# [20:02] <@ehsan> catlee: let me try that
# [20:03] <@ehsan> catlee: is it also installed on 64-bit builders?
# [20:03] <catlee> ehsan: no
# [20:03] <catlee> we can't use pymake yet
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# [20:03] <@ehsan> catlee: ok, I'm on a win64 builder right now
# [20:04] <@ehsan> catlee: on win64?
# [20:04] <catlee> ehsan: anywhere
# [20:04] <catlee> ehsan: the l10n targets don't work
# [20:05] <@ehsan> catlee: yeah but I'm seeing another bug
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# [20:06] <jlebar|mac> Mossop: What's DTC?
# [20:06] <@ehsan> khuey: do we have any evidence that one source of linker mem usage is the number of templates we instantiate?
# [20:06] <khuey> jlebar|mac: idk, but I'm already scared
# [20:06] <khuey> ehsan: not really
# [20:06] <glandium> smaug: could you comment on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=616262#c8 ?
# [20:06] <khuey> ehsan: we know very little about what does what
# [20:07] <Bas> taras: What's the dial-in info?
# [20:07] <@ehsan> hmm
# [20:07] <@ehsan> I
# [20:07] <Mossop> jlebar|mac: Default to compatible
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# [20:07] <@ehsan> I'm hoping to get an extra gig by moving to win64 builders :)
# [20:07] <jlebar|mac> Mossop: Does the add-on author get to assert they're compatible, or do they have to undergo review?
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# [20:08] <jdm> someone just emailed about contributing, and said that they've worked on medical equipment and class III autopilot for avionics :o
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# [20:08] <khuey> haha
# [20:08] <khuey> nice
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# [20:08] <@ted> mm
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# [20:09] <@ted> hrm
# [20:09] <jdm> I'm imagining them looking at our code and saying things like "you don't need to use a whole word here, that's wasteful."
# [20:09] <Mossop> jlebar|mac: Assuming they're already reviewed they can assert it
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# [20:09] <@ted> ehsan: do you know what batch file you used to start that shell on the builder?
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# [20:09] <@ehsan> ted: vc10-x86
# [20:09] <jlebar|mac> Mossop: That's kind of lame, then. Add-ons like wallflower will appear to work fine. They'll just leak like crazy.
# [20:09] <@ted> ehsan: not x64?
# [20:10] <@ehsan> ted: no, x86
# [20:10] <@ted> then i'm not sure
# [20:10] <@ehsan> ted: note that this failure was *very* early
# [20:10] <@ted> i was wondering if pymake's msys heuristic was screwed
# [20:10] <@ted> yeah
# [20:10] <@ehsan> before the objdir was created
# [20:10] <taras> Bas: pb&j vidyo room
# [20:10] <@ted> right, it's failing in mozconfig handling
# [20:10] <@ted> can't find cat? wtf
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# [20:11] <jlebar|mac> Mossop: It's an approximation to what we want, for sure...
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# [20:11] <@ehsan> ted: yeah, really strange
# [20:11] <@ted> ehsan: these are server 2008 machines, right?
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# [20:11] <@ehsan> ted: you can have this slave after I'm done with it if armenzg_buildduty is ok with that
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# [20:11] <@ehsan> hmm
# [20:11] <@ted> i have so many other things going on
# [20:11] <@ted> not a good idea
# [20:11] <@ehsan> right, 2008 r2
# [20:11] <@ehsan> whatever that means!
# [20:12] <@ehsan> ted: ok :)
# [20:12] <glandium> great, now talos regressions mails are being sent directly to people... but what's the reliable thing to filter them on?
# [20:12] <Mossop> jlebar|mac: The alternative is we have to start parsing an additional file for the add-ons during the next firefox upgrade (and have to hope that file doesn't change format)
# [20:12] <glandium> (also, it would be useful that the regression ranges were actually accurate for that to be any useful)
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# [20:12] <@ehsan> glandium: sender?
# [20:12] <glandium> ehsan: is it guaranteed not to change?
# [20:13] <@ehsan> glandium: nothing is guaranteed ;)
# [20:13] <jlebar|mac> Mossop: That's the only alternative in the universe where politely asking add-on authors to upgrade, and marking them as incompatible if they don't, is a non-starter...
# [20:13] <mbrubeck> glandium: It hasn't changed in years in the mails sent to the list
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# [20:13] <@ted> ehsan: so if you want to poke some things just for sanity
# [20:13] <Jesse> ted: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575188
# [20:13] <@ted> http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bsmedberg_mozilla.com/pymake/file/9fb06df46292/pymake/util.py#l38
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# [20:14] <@ted> that's pymake's msys detection routine
# [20:14] <@ted> Jesse: ah
# [20:14] <@ted> Jesse: although, with fix_stack_using_bpsyms, parsing the current output should be feasible
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# [20:14] <jlebar|mac> Mossop: Do we agree that a better alternative would be to simply mark the add-ons as not compatible, on AMO?
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# [20:14] <@ehsan> ted: so what should I do there?
# [20:14] <catlee> ehsan: all I'm saying is if you're trying to figure out if you can get builds going on win64, I wouldn't start with pymake
# [20:14] <@ted> just look up the function name in the symbols, then add that to the offset, then look that offset up...
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# [20:15] <@ehsan> catlee: oh yeah, I'm just using regular make now :)
# [20:15] <@ted> ehsan: just sanity check those env vars
# [20:15] <@ehsan> catlee: just wanted to get done faster
# [20:15] <@ehsan> ted: ok
# [20:15] <jlebar|mac> Mossop: Then we can say: we're willing to mark them as incompatible in Firefox, but we'd prefer that you'd cooperate and mark them as incompatible in AMO, because of startup costs and whatnot.
# [20:15] <@ted> $SHELL, $MOZILLABUILD, $MSYSTEM
# [20:17] <@ehsan> ted: shell is C:/mozilla-build/msys/bin/sh
# [20:17] <@ehsan> ted: msys is True
# [20:17] <@ehsan> looks sane
# [20:17] <@smaug> !seen tanvi
# [20:17] <@killer> I don't know who tanvi is.
# [20:17] <firebot> tanvi was last seen 58 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying '*at the webappsec face to face, so no devtools meeting for me today*' in #devtools.
# [20:18] <@ehsan> ted: note that the error message contains /usr/bin/sh...
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# [20:19] <@ted> yeah
# [20:19] <@ted> i am boggled
# [20:19] <@ehsan> Bas: can you land 751463 please?
# [20:19] <@ted> unless PATH is getting screwed somehow
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# [20:19] <Bas> ehsan: I'm still waiting on try results, want me to push anyway?
# [20:19] <Mossop> jlebar|mac: Yeah, pushing on the add-on devs to update is the better solution if we can
# [20:19] <@ehsan> Bas: oh no, wait for them :)
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# [20:20] <jlebar|mac> Mossop: Do you make the call with respect to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751634#c2 ?
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# [20:21] <Mossop> jlebar|mac: Sounds like more of a product-managery discussion perhaps, but either way Unfocused owns the add-ons manager these days so more likely him than me either way
# [20:21] <Standard8> bbondy: do you have any idea about what's up with http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=ThunderbirdTrunk/1336061034.1336064167.5976.gz ? Its an error we're seeing on Thunderbird builds since Bug 735970 landed.
# [20:22] <jlebar|mac> Well, I'm sure Asa will be happy to sign off in terms of the PM side.
# [20:22] <bbondy> checking
# [20:22] <Standard8> bbondy: just wondering if there's an obvious bit of config we're missing
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# [20:22] <jlebar|mac> Asa: Can you please have a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751634#c2 and let us know whether you agree with the last paragraph?
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# [20:22] <Asa> jlebar|mac: ok
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# [20:25] <bbondy> Standard8: So I think I have to conditionally run those tests, can you post for me and I'll do it today?
# [20:26] <Asa> jlebar: I think we should simply mark them as incompatbile at AMO.
# [20:26] <Standard8> bbondy: why don't they apply to Thunderbird?
# [20:26] <bbondy> Standard8: I'm not sure that's the case yet, it's just what I suspect, but I'll investigate and let you know either way today
# [20:26] <Asa> can we not work with the developers at AMO to just mark them there?
# [20:27] <Standard8> bbondy: ok, thanks
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# [20:28] <bbondy> Standard8: do you generate the mars yourself?
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# [20:28] <bbondy> with code you control I mean
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# [20:28] <Standard8> bbondy: there's nothing specific for Thunderbird
# [20:28] <Standard8> we use all the core stuff
# [20:28] <jaws> lsblakk: ping?
# [20:29] <lsblakk> jaws: pong
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# [20:29] <Standard8> bbondy: this isn't to do with the maintenance service is it? because we haven't got that yet
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# [20:29] <jaws> lsblakk: do you know what the next step for bug 749010 would be? should i just unassign my self then? i presume we shouldn't mark the bug as wontfix
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# [20:30] <bbondy> Standard8: No it has to do with encoding the version number inside the mar files
# [20:30] <lsblakk> jaws: if your workflow needs you to be unassigned, go ahead - but ya, we should leave it open in case between now and 13 cut over to release we decide to backout
# [20:30] <jaws> ok thanks lsblakk
# [20:30] <bbondy> and possibly also the mar-channel-id
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# [20:31] <jaws> lsblakk: should we also stop tracking firefox13 for it then?
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# [20:31] <Standard8> bbondy: ok, btw this is only happening on Windows afaict
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# [20:32] <lsblakk> jaws: i'll update the status-firefox13 to wontfix, but leave open for tracking
# [20:32] <Optimizer> jaws: Hi
# [20:32] <jaws> Optimizer: hi
# [20:33] <mbrubeck> Mossop, jlebar: Don't we have the ability to auto-rebuild SDK addons that are hosted on AMO?
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# [20:34] <khuey> catlee: ping?
# [20:35] <Standard8> bbondy: bug 751652
# [20:35] <catlee> khuey: pong
# [20:35] <bbondy> thanks so much
# [20:36] <khuey> catlee: why aren't we running opt tests on linux, linux64, or win32 on beta?
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# [20:36] <mbrubeck> khuey: They show up in the PGO row
# [20:37] <mbrubeck> because the builds are actually PGO but only the test jobs have "pgo" in their jobnames
# [20:37] <khuey> that's ... confusing
# [20:37] <mbrubeck> yes
# [20:37] <philor> someone should have filed a bug about that!
# [20:38] <Bas> ehsan: Linux builds are coming back successful, I'll land once I get some successful Mac builds, windows takes ages and I have tested it locally.
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# [20:39] <dougt> dbaron: https://gist.github.com/7ea0aee57eb673ef9f8a static_cast<nsOverflowAreas*>(Properties().Get(OverflowAreasProperty())) is null. any idea what could be causing this?
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# [20:39] <dougt> is see this at startup in an mac opt build
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# [20:39] <dougt> /is/i
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# [20:41] <ekr> dougt: We have been seeing htis in alder for a while
# [20:41] <ekr> But as you say, only in opt
# [20:41] <dougt> :(
# [20:42] <dougt> ekr: any workaround?
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# [20:43] <ekr> I've been compiling debug.
# [20:43] <@ted> philor: because i love you, i have generated a mostly-complete stack from that mostly-useless assertion stack: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1614734
# [20:43] <ekr> I can't remember if someone filed a bug
# [20:43] <dougt> ekr: priceless.. i am chasing a bug that only happens in opt.
# [20:44] <jwir3> dougt: Interesting... me too. ;)
# [20:44] <ekr> dougt: yeah, sorry that nobody chased this down more. We were in a hurry to get a demo out for paris IETF and so we got to the point where we were pretty confident it wasn't us and then shelved it.
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# [20:45] <@ted> philor: oh, the missing frames in the middle are just those system libraries
# [20:45] <@ted> those frames are presumably correct
# [20:45] <@ehsan> Bas: sounds good
# [20:45] <@ted> Jesse: http://diff.pastebin.mozilla.org/1614738
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# [20:47] <@dbaron> dougt, you're using the wrong compiler, basically
# [20:47] <@dbaron> dougt, there's a bug jfkthame filed
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# [20:48] <ekr> dbaron: what compiler should we be using?
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# [20:48] <dougt> dbaron: well, that is good.
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# [20:49] <dougt> dbaron: i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2
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# [20:49] <@dbaron> dougt, ekr, read https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555727 starting from the comments from about a week or so ago
# [20:49] <jfkthame> dougt: i assume you're on Lion…. in that case you need to use clang, or else there's a patch that'll work around the failure but it didn't get landed
# [20:49] <Bas> There's a green win opt XPCshell run, fwiw.
# [20:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a0356446a56a - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 751403 - Use window.navigator instead of just navigator in telephony tests, r=mdas, a=b2g-only, npotb
# [20:50] <ekr> dbaron, jrkthame: thanks. Does this mean that we are going to go all-clang?
# [20:50] <zzzzz> edmorley: *score* one 'GREEN' X
# [20:50] <dougt> jfkthame: dbaron: thanks.
# [20:50] <@dbaron> ekr, don't ask me
# [20:51] <jfkthame> i have no idea what we're going to do
# [20:51] <Jesse> ted: nice. might be best to only build func_names on windows. "if not result" vs "if result is not None".
# [20:51] <@ted> yeah
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# [20:52] <@ted> Jesse: i prefer "if not result"
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# [20:52] <@ted> unless you're looking at an ambiguous object
# [20:52] <@ted> (also that's more pythonic)
# [20:52] <Jesse> ok
# [20:52] <@ted> but anyway
# [20:52] <@ted> maybe i'll put that on a bug
# [20:52] <@ted> Jesse: so, two things
# [20:53] <@ted> 1) the downside to not emitting function names at all is that for system libs we wouldn't have function names anymore
# [20:53] <@ted> 2) this method is probably imperfect because if we export C++ symbols we can't reliably differentiate overloads
# [20:53] <@ted> aside from that, i just piped the assertion stack from the log directly into the script
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# [20:56] <Jesse> is (1) about your patch or about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575188 ?
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# [20:58] <philor> smaug: so, who is the unsafe caller in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1614734?
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# [20:59] <philor> FocusManager?
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# [21:01] <mbrubeck> hmm, tbpl bug
# [21:01] <khuey> philor: what is that big gap in the pastebin?
# [21:01] <mbrubeck> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/ shows '[0]' unstarred failures, but the last two Android opt C3 were orange then blue
# [21:01] <philor> khuey: "<ted> philor: oh, the missing frames in the middle are just those system libraries"
# [21:02] <khuey> ah
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# [21:02] <stephend> zpao: o hai
# [21:02] <khuey> philor: so that's bad
# [21:02] <stephend> do you still work on session restore at all?
# [21:02] <zpao> stephend: maybe......
# [21:02] * zpao runs
# [21:02] <stephend> heh
# [21:02] <stephend> well, I don't know how to reproduce my bug
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# [21:03] <@smaug> philor: something in layout
# [21:03] <stephend_> zpao: but http://screencast.com/t/swx6BpCYZwZ
# [21:03] <khuey> smaug: the bug is in the windows theme code
# [21:03] <khuey> smaug: it's causing us to spin the event loop during reflow o.O
# [21:03] <@smaug> khuey: yeah, QueryForButtonData
# [21:03] <stephend_> I think it's due to Session Restore -- not sure how else that window would get a phantom history
# [21:03] <@smaug> horrible
# [21:03] <zpao> stephend: hmmm, weird
# [21:04] <stephend> zpao: anything I can do to help debug?
# [21:04] <zpao> blaming session restore seems reasonable
# [21:04] <stephend> can't keep this state for long :-(
# [21:04] <stephend> I had a couple crashes and hangs before this
# [21:04] <khuey> philor: want me to file?
# [21:04] <zpao> backup your sessionstore.bak and then we can maybe try to repro again later
# [21:04] <stephend> cool
# [21:04] <stephend> sounds good, thx
# [21:05] <stephend> zpao: do I need to shut down, first?
# [21:05] <stephend> or can I do it now?
# [21:05] <zpao> stephend: can do it now. .bak is created at startup and then not touched until next startup
# [21:05] <zzzzz> edmorley: go stand next to cset https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/90d25e0f6c68 - its a Kodak moment - ALL GREEN !
# [21:05] <stephend> great
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# [21:08] <philor> khuey: it's from a bug with a hundred or so instances
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# [21:08] <edmorley> zzzzz: woo!
# [21:08] <philor> khuey: bug 738803
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# [21:10] <@ted> philor/khuey: FWIW http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1614805
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# [21:10] <@ted> (same thing with the system libs in it)
# [21:10] <khuey> philor: mm, fun
# [21:10] <philor> well, it'll be a hundred by EOD
# [21:10] <philor> since CPG said "hello, sailor, want to become permaorange?"
# [21:11] <edmorley> lol
# [21:11] <@ted> Jesse: sorry, the latter
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# [21:11] <Ms2ger> Consistency is good, right? :)
# [21:11] <@ted> Jesse: if we leave out function names we would just have user32.dll+0x...
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# [21:13] <@ted> hooray
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# [21:14] <froydnj> brace yourselves...inbound is open
# [21:14] <jlebar> mounir, How does one pronounce the name "Stephane"? Is the final 'e' silent?
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# [21:14] <Ms2ger> jlebar, correct
# [21:14] <hub> jlebar: yep
# [21:14] <Ms2ger> itym Stéphane, though
# [21:14] <jlebar> That is very confusing.
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# [21:15] <hub> jlebar: it is French
# [21:15] <Ms2ger> Hence, confusing
# [21:15] <jlebar> Indeed.
# [21:15] <jlebar> Thanks. :)
# [21:15] <@ted> FIRST PUSH
# [21:15] <jlebar> lol
# [21:15] <hub> ted: and turn it orange :-)
# [21:15] <@ted> possible
# [21:16] <Ms2ger> Probable
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# [21:16] <hub> Ms2ger: but you don't want to get that printed on your business card. it is not utf8 compatible :-)
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# [21:16] <hub> I know, I tried to get my last name spelled properly.
# [21:16] <Ms2ger> Boo
# [21:16] <Ms2ger> Fortunately Ms2ger is ASCII-only
# [21:17] <hub> 2011 and they can't deal with UTF8
# [21:17] <hub> maybe the 2012 batch will be better
# [21:17] <@ted> the business card printers?
# [21:17] <@ted> really?
# [21:17] <@ted> wow, that sucks
# [21:17] <bent> bsmedberg, can we remove the MT hashtables?
# [21:17] <bent> while you're there
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# [21:17] <@ted> ttaubert: did you get a chance to look at bug 740242 ?
# [21:18] <Ms2ger> Let's remove all the hashtables
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# [21:20] <hub> ted: really
# [21:21] <bent> Ms2ger, er, I'm serious
# [21:21] <Ms2ger> I would seriously like to remove half a dozen of our hash table classes too
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# [21:23] <@ted> std::map!
# [21:23] <jlebar> smaug, Have a minute to talk about event targets?
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# [21:25] <Ms2ger> ted, r- :)
# [21:26] <@smaug> jlebar: on phone
# [21:26] <gcp> std:map isn't a hash table
# [21:26] <NeilAway> ehsan: 2008r2 == win7
# [21:27] <@ehsan> ok
# [21:27] <jlebar> smaug, Okay; I'll context switch. Ping me if and when you have a few minutes.
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# [21:27] <@ted> gcp: fine, ruin all the fun!
# [21:27] <@ted> does c++11 add a hash_map?
# [21:28] <jlebar> ted, Yes.
# [21:28] <gcp> unordered_map?
# [21:28] <@ted> 4, in fact
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# [21:28] <@ted> unordered_{set,multiset,map,multimap}
# [21:28] <@ted> horrible names
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# [21:29] <Ms2ger> And horrible APIs, I'm sure
# [21:29] <@ted> meh
# [21:29] <@ted> the STL is no worse than any other class library i've used
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# [21:29] <@bsmedberg> bent: there is one client who uses them, actually
# [21:29] <@bsmedberg> bent: although that really sucks, and we should remove them
# [21:30] <bent> one client?
# [21:30] * @bsmedberg blames youthful-bsmedberg for there existence
# [21:30] <bent> you mean not in tree?
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# [21:30] <@bsmedberg> PSM
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# [21:30] <bent> oh
# [21:30] <bent> bsmith can fix that!
# [21:30] <bent> where is he...
# [21:30] <@bsmedberg> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/ssl/src/TransportSecurityInfo.h#152
# [21:30] <bent> bsmedberg, https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/ssl/src/TransportSecurityInfo.cpp#1164
# [21:31] <bent> hilarious
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# [21:31] <@bsmedberg> awesome
# [21:31] <bent> we can remove that easy as pie
# [21:31] <@bsmedberg> definitely let's remove the MT versions before somebody else uses them
# [21:32] <bent> \o/
# [21:32] <jtcranmer> what we ought to do
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# [21:32] <jtcranmer> is catalog a list of all the things we have that are obsolete or duplicately defined
# [21:32] <dougt> does anyone know where browser.xpt is created ?
# [21:32] <edmorley> ehsan: have triggered pgo on the inbound (on my incoming merge cset), so it can be merged sometime later; heading home now
# [21:32] <jtcranmer> and then go through them one by one
# [21:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c045085c0436 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 670514 - LNK file test for Windows share security. r=bz
# [21:32] <jtcranmer> eradicating them
# [21:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/60613f18435b - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 670514 - Arbitrary File + Directory read via .lnk files on Windows Share. r=bz
# [21:33] <dougt> toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk#801 ?
# [21:33] <jtcranmer> perhaps starting by going through the code and make people go crazy using them
# [21:33] <@ted> dougt: as part of packaging, yeah
# [21:33] <@ted> why?
# [21:33] <jtcranmer> i.e., require them to do a #define I_WANT_AN_MT_HASHTABLE
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# [21:34] <bilz> http://www.zlib.net/ Zlib 1.2.7 released, does Firefox need to update to pick up the fixes?
# [21:35] <Jesse> ted: so i guess it would be ideal for the windows stack walker to output both lib+offset and its guess at the function name
# [21:35] <@ted> Jesse: yeah, and we could use the former to get the real func name if we have symbols
# [21:35] <@ted> or the latter as fallback
# [21:35] <@ted> lemme file a bug with this patch anyway
# [21:36] <dougt> ted: cause one of my XPT's isn't making it into the release.
# [21:36] <dougt> not sure how long its been busted. :(
# [21:36] <jwir3> so in order to land something on m-c, does it currently require approval? (i.e. what does "be gentle" mean?)
# [21:37] <@ted> dougt: sux
# [21:37] <@ted> dougt: not in package-manifest?
# [21:37] <@ted> (that's how we pick what XPT files to link)
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# [21:37] <@ted> we should just fix it so that XPT files that we don't want to ship don't wind up in dist/bin/components
# [21:37] <@ted> and then package all the XPTs
# [21:38] <khuey> does it really hurt to package them all?
# [21:38] <@ted> there are probably a few goofy test-only things in there
# [21:38] <dougt> ted: does that look right? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/installer/package-manifest.in#236
# [21:38] <@ted> probably less bad than the current situation
# [21:38] <luke> khuey: does your "khuey: smaug: the bug is in the windows theme code" comment refer to bug 738803?
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# [21:39] <khuey> luke: yes
# [21:39] <@smaug> jlebar: pong
# [21:39] <luke> khuey: sweet
# [21:39] <@ted> dougt: i bet your problem is because the preprocessor we use on that file doesn't have all the defines from AC_DEFINE
# [21:39] <dougt> ted: weird... it isn't set.
# [21:39] <luke> khuey: i'll post that on the bug, unless you'd like to
# [21:39] <rstrong> ted: in case you didn't know, removed-files entries aren't really needed anymore as of Firefox 5 except when updating from an older version to the latest
# [21:40] <@ted> you have to manually define them in the makefile
# [21:40] <dougt> yeah.
# [21:40] <dougt> what changed?
# [21:40] <@ted> rstrong: neat
# [21:40] <dougt> this did work at some point
# [21:40] <@ted> dougt: nothing changed, AFAIK
# [21:40] <jlebar> smaug, Hey. So the GetChromeEventHandler --> GetParentTarget changes all make sense.
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# [21:40] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/installer/Makefile.in
# [21:40] <@ted> well
# [21:40] <@ted> i mean
# [21:40] <@ted> someone may have broken this specifically
# [21:40] <jlebar> smaug, But I'm still not seeing the event. :-/
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# [21:40] <khuey> luke: go ahead
# [21:40] <@smaug> jlebar: you did change GetParentTarget ?
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# [21:40] <jlebar> smaug, Yes.
# [21:41] <dougt> ted: i am going to un-ifdef the XPT files.
# [21:41] <jlebar> smaug, I also got rid of the caching there, just to be safe.
# [21:41] <@smaug> jlebar: could you pastebin the patch
# [21:41] <dougt> patch coming your way
# [21:41] <@ted> dougt: that's not a great idea
# [21:41] <jlebar> smaug, Sure thing.
# [21:41] <@ted> because the packager will error now if it can't find a file
# [21:41] <dougt> ted: we do that all over the place
# [21:41] <@ted> so that means it'll error on people who --disable-necko-wifi
# [21:41] <dougt> ted: no... i will always produce the opt file
# [21:41] <jlebar> smaug, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1614870
# [21:41] <@ted> dougt: ah
# [21:41] <@ted> okay then
# [21:41] <dougt> s/opt/xpt
# [21:42] <@ted> yeah, that should be fine
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# [21:42] <dougt> ted: but you're saying just add that ifdef to the browser/installer/Makefile (and the other ones)
# [21:42] <@ted> you could do that, yes
# [21:42] <@ted> sucks
# [21:43] * khuey glares in curtisk's direction
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# [21:43] <dougt> ted: better idea?
# [21:43] <@ted> dougt: nope, all your options suck
# [21:43] <dougt> welcome to the build system.
# [21:44] <@ted> "sux2bu"
# [21:44] <mounir> jlebar: yes
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# [21:44] <jlebar> mounir, What?
# [21:44] <mounir> jlebar: it's like "stefan"
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# [21:44] <jlebar> Oh, okay. I think you already told me this, but I still appreciate it. :)
# [21:45] <mounir> jlebar: that wasn't me :D
# [21:45] <jlebar> Oh no, I confused you with Ms2ger. :-/
# [21:45] <@smaug> jlebar: have you checked what the event target chain looks like?
# [21:45] <mounir> jlebar: please, be respectful :)
# [21:45] <Ms2ger> Poor mounir
# [21:45] <jlebar> lol
# [21:46] <@smaug> jlebar: EventListenerService has a method to check the chain
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# [21:46] <mounir> Ms2ger: dude, you would be dying if that had happen to you ;)
# [21:46] <jlebar> smaug, In fact, it's probably wrong, because I'm not calling PreHandleEvent. I wasn't able to figure out what to do there...
# [21:46] <jlebar> Okay, I'll check...
# [21:46] <@smaug> oh, hmm, one thing. is someone calling stopPropagation() ?
# [21:46] <@smaug> higher in the chain
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# [21:47] <jlebar> smaug, I should be first in the chain, right?
# [21:47] <Ms2ger> mounir, if someone confused me with Ms2ger?
# [21:47] <jlebar> smaug, For this event dispatched to chrome?
# [21:47] <@smaug> jlebar: no
# [21:47] <@smaug> you're somewhere in the middle
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# [21:48] <@smaug> er, hmm
# [21:48] <mounir> Ms2ger: or with me ;)
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# [21:48] <Ms2ger> Now that would be disgusting
# [21:48] <@smaug> jlebar: the service doesn't check chrome only dispatch
# [21:48] <mounir> smaug: btw, for the Web Activities, can I expect your proposal before tomorrow morning?
# [21:48] <@smaug> jlebar: but normal dispatch
# [21:48] <mounir> so I can see what you proposed and write something to the list after that
# [21:48] <jlebar> smaug, Sorry, what service?
# [21:48] <@smaug> mounir: ok, I'll try
# [21:49] <@smaug> jlebar: EventListenerService
# [21:49] <mounir> smaug: at least, send me an email with the dig ideas so I can think about it
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# [21:49] <mounir> I would *love* to go on week-end with that behind me
# [21:49] <@smaug> jlebar: it has eventTargetChainFor
# [21:50] <@smaug> mounir: ok, I'll send email
# [21:50] <jlebar> Well, I can copy the method and modify it...
# [21:51] <@smaug> jlebar: well, I was thinking you want to use JS to check the chain or something
# [21:51] <jlebar> smaug, I can, from C++, check the chain for all DOMTitleChange events, if that's easier.
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# [21:53] <khuey> luke: are you going to disable that test?
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# [21:55] <luke> khuey: i was waiting for comments. i'd be happy if someone else did it though so i didn't mess it up
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# [21:55] <jlebar> smaug, But what exactly do I have to change for nsEventListenerService::GetChromeEventTargetChainFor? I don't see how nsEventDispatcher::Dispatch is different if we're doing a chrome-specific dispatch.
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# [21:57] <@smaug> jlebar: the chain doesn't contain non-chrome targets if you do chrome only dispatch
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# [21:57] <@smaug> or, perhaps I misunderstood your question
# [21:58] <@smaug> curtisk really likes some spamming
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# [21:59] <jlebar> smaug, Ah, it looks like I just need to set a flag on the event. (?)
# [21:59] <@smaug> ah, true
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# [22:06] <@bsmedberg> OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '../../dist/bin/chrome/browser/content/browser'
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# [22:08] <jlebar> smaug, Oh yay, it's working.
# [22:08] <jlebar> Yay.
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# [22:12] <@smaug> jlebar: what was the problem
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# [22:14] <jlebar> smaug, My inability to read my own debugging messages. After the latest fixes you suggested, we were in fact getting the titlechange event. But then we're throwing it away because it's not coming from a top-level window! Because OOP mozbrowsers' .parents look different from in-process.
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# [22:18] <luke> does anyone know how to get xpcshell not to hide stdout (other than triggering an error)?
# [22:18] <philikon> for all tests?
# [22:18] <philikon> or just an individual test?
# [22:18] <jdm> luke: on tbpl or locally?
# [22:18] <luke> oops, --verbose
# [22:18] <jdm> yes
# [22:18] <luke> skipped right over it in --help
# [22:18] <philikon> :)
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# [22:28] <zzzzz> bjacob: red on linux on your push in m-i ?
# [22:29] <bjacob> zzzzz: thanks
# [22:29] <zzzzz> yw
# [22:30] <zzzzz> thought I don't know a whole lot about what I see a lot of times - could be its just a fluke
# [22:30] <bjacob> zzzzz: nope, it's serious, backing out
# [22:31] <zzzzz> ok
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# [22:32] <@smaug> Enn: thanks!
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# [22:41] <WeirdAl> peterv: ping
# [22:41] <@ehsan> jprmc, joduinn-mtg: the 32-bit build on win64 is ready for testing: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751694
# [22:41] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, he's off for the day already
# [22:42] <WeirdAl> nuts
# [22:42] <Ms2ger> (aiui)
# [22:42] * WeirdAl is looking through some old, old requests he's posted, and peterv's been on the hook for four years on one...
# [22:42] <@smaug> yeah, it is only 10.30pm where peterv lives
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# [22:42] <@smaug> what time is that to stop working
# [22:43] <WeirdAl> that's usually when I'm getting home from college
# [22:43] <@bz> heh
# [22:43] <@bz> got any small kids? ;)
# [22:43] * @bz is pretty sure Peter would like to spend _some_ time with his daughter
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# [22:44] <@smaug> bz: but after the kids get to bed there is plenty of time to do some hacking :)
# [22:44] <Ms2ger> Small kids staying up until 10:30pm? Tut tut :)
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# [22:45] <WeirdAl> kidding aside, family trumps everything else
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> I see what you did there
# [22:45] <WeirdAl> ?
# [22:45] <Ms2ger> "kidding aside"
# [22:45] <WeirdAl> I wasn't trying to make a pun
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# [22:46] <luke> jdm, philikon: do you know how to get xpcshell to spew stdout immediately instead of waiting until the end of the test? even with --verbose it seems to hold back
# [22:46] * WeirdAl gets it after the fact, of course
# [22:46] <jdm> luke: run under check-interactive
# [22:46] <jdm> or whatever flags that turns on
# [22:46] <jdm> maybe it's --interactive
# [22:46] <@bz> smaug: heh
# [22:46] <@bz> smaug: that sort of thinking is what makes me be up at 4am
# [22:46] <@bz> smaug: which I need to stop doing
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# [22:47] <luke> jdm: great, thanks!
# [22:47] <Ms2ger> What's wrong with being up in my mornings? :)
# [22:47] <@bz> ms2ger: having to then be up again in your early afternoons? ;)
# [22:47] <WeirdAl> I'm almost afraid to raise 392004 again, as I'm certain someone will just WONTFIX it instantly as not needed by anyone :|
# [22:47] <Ms2ger> Mm
# [22:47] <Ms2ger> I guess that would be somewhat annoying
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# [22:49] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, I'm happy to wontfix that ;)
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# [22:49] <jlebar> What's the right way to determine if I'm Windows on a mochitest? UA sniff?
# [22:50] <WeirdAl> I still want it, of course, but I'm starting to think, "what's the point?"
# [22:50] <khuey> jlebar: looks for nsIWinRegKey (or whatever it is) in Ciu
# [22:50] <khuey> er
# [22:50] <khuey> in Ci
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# [22:50] <jlebar> khuey, Mochitest. :-/
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# [22:51] <khuey> jlebar: so?
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# [22:51] <jlebar> khuey, Aren't we not supposed to use Ci?
# [22:51] <WeirdAl> oh, the hell with it
# [22:51] <khuey> you can ...
# [22:51] <khuey> whether or not you should ... who knows
# [22:51] <jlebar> :)
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# [22:52] <philor> I think I'm just going to call polling the error console and pretending nobody else will write to it a fatal test error
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# [22:52] <mak> jlebar: either the Ci thing, or you can use navigator.platform.indexOf("Win")
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# [22:53] <jlebar> Ah, navigator.platform is better than the UA.
# [22:53] <jlebar> Thanks!
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# [22:54] <WeirdAl> I hate killing bugs by apathy
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# [22:56] <jwir3> jlebar: I was going to recommend that, but it looks like navigator is undefined on some of my machines.
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# [22:56] <jwir3> jlebar: In nightly on Linux, specifically, Not sure why, though...
# [22:56] <jlebar> jwir3, ?!
# [22:56] <@smaug> jwir3: in console?
# [22:56] <jwir3> jlebar: Yeah
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# [22:56] <@smaug> you need to use window.navigator atm
# [22:56] <jwir3> oh
# [22:56] <jwir3> ok, then that's why ;)
# [22:56] <jwir3> I was trying just navigator, because that's what the auto-complete recommended for me ;)
# [22:56] <gavin> smaug: why?
# [22:57] <jdm> jlebar: you can use Ci stuff; we're going to make it magically work without enablePrivilege through the power of proxies
# [22:57] <@smaug> jwir3: Bug 726949
# [22:57] <@smaug> gavin: because there was a bug
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# [22:57] <gavin> oh, console only
# [22:57] <gavin> yeah ok I know about that one
# [22:57] <jdm> specifically |let Components = SpecialPowers.wrap(Components)|
# [22:57] <jwir3> aha, thx.
# [22:57] <philor> bjacob: a bit more backing out, please?
# [22:57] <gavin> smaug: but I just commented on bug 751403, sounded related
# [22:57] * WeirdAl wonders when the last time was anyone went through bugzilla looking for review requests over 18 months old
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# [22:58] <WeirdAl> after that long they ought to be canceled just for bitrot
# [22:58] <bjacob> philor: really? looking
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# [22:58] <jlebar> jdm, Really? After that whole specialpowers business, that would be something of a letdown. :)
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# [22:59] <jdm> jlebar: it's actually not a letdown, it's a relief. nobody wants to create replacements SpecialPowers APIs for every chrome-privileged operation, so we can just use SpecialPowers.wrap(chromeObject) to achieve the same effect
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# [23:00] <bjacob> philor: argh, -Werror
# [23:00] <jlebar> jdm, I was mostly kidding. :)
# [23:00] <jdm> ah, gotcha
# [23:01] <jlebar> jdm, Indeed, wrap() is pretty cool.
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# [23:03] <zzzzz> ehsan: ping
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# [23:03] <@ehsan> zzzzz: hi
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# [23:04] <zzzzz> If your win32x64 build to the latest tip ?
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# [23:04] <@bz> mounir: ping
# [23:04] <zzzzz> or at least current to last day or so ?
# [23:04] <@ehsan> zzzzz: fairly recent
# [23:04] <@ehsan> nope
# [23:04] <@ehsan> just this morning
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# [23:07] <zzzzz> ehsan: well, it started just fine - will use it a few hours
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# [23:09] <@ehsan> zzzzz: heh, yeah I tried starting it ;)
# [23:10] <@ehsan> ted: ping
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# [23:16] <@smaug> mounir: nm
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# [23:18] <RyanVM> edmorley: nice job this morning, thanks for taking care of it
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# [23:20] <edmorley> RyanVM: np :-)
# [23:20] <RyanVM> silly me for thinking that just because a push is green on try means it'll be green on inbound :P
# [23:20] <gaston> pdf.js is on m-c but what final version does it target ?
# [23:21] <RyanVM> 0.2.536 last I checked
# [23:21] <bdahl> gaston: ff versioon? 15
# [23:22] <gaston> thanks, i failed to find the bug # for its landing
# [23:22] <RyanVM> bug 714712 was teh original landing
# [23:22] <RyanVM> updated in bug 743264
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# [23:25] <gaston> thanks again :)
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# [23:26] <gaston> how do you guys cope with so many bug numbers about so many different area in the tree ?
# [23:26] <gaston> ctrl-l and type keywords in awesomebar ?
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# [23:26] <mbrubeck> yeah, mostly
# [23:27] <mbrubeck> or filter my bugmail folder in Thunderbird
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# [23:27] <mbrubeck> gaston: Also https://bugzillatips.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/quicksearch-video/
# [23:28] <@smaug> jlebar: did you upload the patch to try
# [23:28] <gaston> i suck at bugzilla search
# [23:28] <jlebar> smaug, Before the in-process changes, but not after.
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# [23:29] <jlebar> smaug, Comment 38
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# [23:30] <@smaug> jlebar: please upload the In-process mm changes to tye
# [23:30] <@smaug> try
# [23:30] <jlebar> smaug, I will. I've been bitten too many times lately.
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# [23:31] <@smaug> jlebar: it is just that changing event target chain handling tends to be quite major change
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# [23:33] <jlebar> smaug, We'll see in a bit. Thanks again for your help.
# [23:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2db9df42823d - Gregory Szorc - Bug 749957; r=rnewman
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# [23:35] <rhelmer> bz: hbase is unreachable, IT and metrics are on it
# [23:36] <espindola> is there an easy way to run leaktest in gdb?
# [23:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cc91f155491b - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 751611 - Add mozconfig files for building Win32 binaries on our Win64 bit platforms; r=khuey
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# [23:36] <espindola> looks like leaktest.py doesn't take a --debugger option
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# [23:40] <@bz> how do I nom a memshrink bug?
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# [23:40] <gavin> just add the tag without a p? marker, I think?
# [23:40] <@smaug> jlebar: so where is the change to prehandleevent?
# [23:40] <gavin> i.e. [memshrink]
# [23:40] <jlebar|mac> bz: ^ like that
# [23:41] <jlebar|mac> I think it's case-insensitive, but [MemShrink].
# [23:42] <jlebar|mac> smaug: I was hoping that since you didn't mention it after I asked in comment 41, it didn't need to be changed. :)
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# [23:42] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: uh, sorry
# [23:42] <Mark_Capella> bz: bug749367 ... popped out from a patch i did with ms2ger ... my intro to the area ....
# [23:43] <Mark_Capella> if its a quick fix i can do it, else ill have to ask for help
# [23:43] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: so, we don't want to break all the event handling when there is this in-process mm
# [23:43] <jlebar|mac> smaug: Naw, it's my fault for skipping over it. What's the issue there, exactly?
# [23:43] <jlebar|mac> Ah, that's a fairly substantial issue.
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# [23:47] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: so you're adding something new to event target chain. You need to keep rest of the chain intact
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# [23:48] <@bz> Mark_Capella: I _think_ it should be a pretty quick fix based on the code
# [23:49] <@bz> Mark_Capella: it was more a matter of whether you plan to take a look at all, or whether I should look for someone else. ;)
# [23:49] <@bz> Mark_Capella: let me know!
# [23:49] <@bz> hmm
# [23:49] <@bz> should adding things to /etc/hosts work on Mac?
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# [23:54] <jlebar|mac> smaug: Ah, okay. So I need to change nsInProcessTabGlobal::PreHandleEvent so it sets the parent target correctly? But why is mOwner wrong?
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# [23:56] <@smaug> jlebar|mac: because owner is the content page
# [23:56] <@smaug> events shouldn't propagate from iframe to its container
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# [23:56] <@smaug> in html
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# [23:57] <gaston> mbrubeck: thanks, nice vid about quicksearch :)
# [23:58] <Waldo> ugh, just semi-horked my tree :-\
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# [23:58] <jlebar|mac> smaug: So it should be mOwner's ParentTarget?
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# [23:59] <@smaug> mOwner doesn't have ParentTarget
# [23:59] <jlebar|mac> (That doesn't seem entirely right…wouldn't that skip over someone?)
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# [23:59] <luke> anyone know the best way to schedule a GC that doesn't use conservative stack scanning?
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# [23:59] <mccr8> luke: SchedulePreciseGC
# [23:59] <khuey> luke: schedulePreciseGC
# [23:59] <Waldo> any chance a sheriff could back out the last three changesets I pushed? I'm not sure I can figure out my tree screwup quickly enough to keep everyone happy :-(
# [23:59] <khuey> jinx
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