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# Session Start: Wed May 09 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:04] <@ehsan> jlebar|mac: https://github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central/tree/inbound :)
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# [00:07] <Ameya> jorendorff: KWierso, Yup... got list of URLs..... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1626380
# [00:08] <Ameya> How is it/
# [00:08] <jorendorff> Ameya: Did it print any error messages?
# [00:08] <KWierso> ^
# [00:08] <jorendorff> It probably dumped an error
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# [00:11] <Ameya> jorendorff: KWierso, No Error It worked welll... I got list of Addons. See http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1626380 now i added output into it..see pastebin
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# [00:12] <jorendorff> bizarre
# [00:12] <Ameya> :)
# [00:12] <KWierso> ^
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# [00:13] <jgilbert> Waldo: is there any MOZ_ASSERT-like mfbt func for non-debug?
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# [00:14] <KWierso> Ameya: what about trying this? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1626435
# [00:14] <Ameya> jorendorff: KWierso, I think this time we are dumping once at all at the end I mean outside "for" loop hence it might have worked . Previously i was dumping addon.name & type inside for loop so firefox hung .
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# [00:15] <Ameya> What do you think?
# [00:15] <KWierso> (the try/catch is inside of the for loop, and if it finds an error, it dumps the error and stops the loop
# [00:15] <KWierso> )
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# [00:15] <jorendorff> Ameya: that's an easy hypothesis to test
# [00:15] <jorendorff> i mean, easy for *you* to test. :)
# [00:15] <jorendorff> …he said, carelessly
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# [00:16] <Waldo> jgilbert: MOZ_CRASH(), do what you need before that, I thin
# [00:16] <Waldo> s/$/k/
# [00:16] <Ameya> Sorry i dont understand ....
# [00:16] <Waldo> I've thought about adding a const char* argument to that to dump a string to the console
# [00:16] <Waldo> not clear if it's worth it
# [00:17] <jgilbert> something like MOZ_HARD_ASSERT would be nice
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# [00:17] <jgilbert> stuck using NS_ABORT_IF_FALSE, for now :<
# [00:17] <Ameya> jorendorff: what did i say carelessly..?sorry I did not get that
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# [00:18] <jorendorff> Ameya: no, *I* said it carelessly
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# [00:18] <Waldo> jgilbert: NS_ABORT_IF_FALSE compiles to nothing in non-debug
# [00:19] <jgilbert> derp, what was it then...
# [00:20] <jgilbert> oh, just NS_RUNTIMEABORT :/
# [00:20] <jgilbert> even more annoying
# [00:21] <Ameya> jorendorff: KWierso, Ok... let me try with modified try-catch but what do you think about my dumping collectively outside for loop logic? Could this be a reason for past failures?
# [00:21] <jorendorff> Ameya: It sounds almost impossible that that is the reason for the failures.
# [00:21] <Waldo> jgilbert: there is also MOZ_Assert(msg, __FILE__, __LINE__), although that's obviously not as abstract as you might want
# [00:22] <jorendorff> Ameya: dump() doesn't care if it's called from within a loop or not
# [00:22] <Waldo> and it doesn't expand to inline code like MOZ_ASSERT does
# [00:22] <jgilbert> yeah, I'd like a runtime-assert
# [00:22] <KWierso> Ameya: though if it's true that it didn't dump any exceptions, you probably aren't hidding the try/catch that you had added
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# [00:23] <KWierso> s/hidding/hitting/
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# [00:23] <KWierso> wow, I need a nap...
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# [00:25] <jgilbert> Waldo: would you consider a patch to add MOZ_RUNTIME_ASSERT or similar?
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# [00:25] <jgilbert> I can't think of a great way to name it, thought :/
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# [00:26] <Ameya> KWierso: I m trying this new try-catch & going for nap... Its 4 A.M in India. Thanks for help.
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# [00:29] <Ameya> jorendorff: KWierso, I think this much working might solve my problem bcoz after all i need resourceURI of extensions to match. So I can store them in some var array inside 'for' loop. & compare outside. i might need to run loop again for 'addons.length' times.
# [00:30] <jorendorff> Ameya: ok, good night :)
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# [00:31] <Ameya> jorendorff: KWierso, Thanks for help. Good night. Will talk tomorrow.
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# [00:31] <jorendorff> ok
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# [00:52] <Waldo> jgilbert: at that point, if it's going to be in all builds, |if (cond) { ...; MOZ_CRASH(); }| seems possibly better, actually
# [00:53] <Waldo> jgilbert: less control flow hiding
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# [00:53] <Waldo> assert only hides it because it's a complete nop in non-debug builds
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# [01:00] <jgilbert> I suppose, but what I want is exactly MOZ_ASSERT, but at runtime
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# [01:00] <jgilbert> so I'm basically inlining the contents of MOZ_ASSERT instead of using a standardized central function
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# [01:06] <dholbert> jgilbert, but assert has the implication that it's debug-only. In the (rare) case where we want to explicitly crash at runtime, I think the extra line or two is worth it for clarity
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# [01:08] <jgilbert> debug-only asserts don't seem like they'd be sufficient for some gfx stuff
# [01:08] <jgilbert> particularly with ANGLE
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# [01:10] <dholbert> heh... this actually seems like a good usage for "NS_ABORT_IF_FALSE", if we hadn't already established that as being debug-only. :)
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# [01:12] <dholbert> that is to say: ABORT_IF_FALSE would be a potentially good name (as compared to "assert") as a check in both opt & debug builds... except that we've already got a debug-only thing by that name :)
# [01:13] <jgilbert> yeah, but MFBT could potentially break compatability with that :)
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# [01:15] <dholbert> maaaaybe
# [01:16] * dholbert shudders at having two sets of *_ABORT_IF_FALSE scattered across the tree, with different meanings (along with two different *_ASSERTs)...
# [01:16] <dholbert> but it's possible that's the least-bad option. :)
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# [01:20] <jgilbert> I mean, we still have 'netwerk/', don't we? :P
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# [01:21] <Waldo> that could even be fixed now, if the networking owner cared
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# [01:24] <njn> at least libpr0n is gone
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# [01:33] <JonathanS> lol @ njn for libpr0n
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# [01:34] <@roc> you can break compatibility in MFBT if you go through the tree and replace all NS_ stuff with MOZ_ stuff
# [01:34] <@roc> which I am greatly in favor of!
# [01:34] <Waldo> 'tis true
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# [01:35] <@roc> actually, let me rephrase that
# [01:35] <@roc> WHICH I AM GREATLY IN FAVOUR OF!!!!
# [01:35] <Waldo> s/OU/O/
# [01:35] <Waldo> :-P
# [01:35] <darktrojan> no, that's right
# [01:36] <@roc> don't be ridiculos
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# [01:39] <JonathanS> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/05/08/visual-studio-11-user-interface-updates-coming-in-rc.aspx :o
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# [01:43] <darktrojan> ^ in summary, users have colour screens now, let's use them
# [01:44] <JonathanS> darktrojan, your British?
# [01:45] <darktrojan> no, but I can spell :)
# [01:45] <JonathanS> oh, I detected colour as a word from British
# [01:45] <darktrojan> it's a word from the English language
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# [01:46] <JonathanS> Yeah, I know but not America-English
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# [01:46] <darktrojan> exactly
# [01:46] <JonathanS> I love how VS 11 use all caps on the menu bar..
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# [01:48] <darktrojan> "Microsoft Makes Ambitious Carbon Neutral Pledge" ... I wonder how this affects their stance on creating programs for OS X
# [01:48] <JonathanS> they need a pledge for OS X?
# [01:49] <hub> they are the biggest ISV for MacOS
# [01:49] <hub> (Apple isn't ISV)
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# [01:53] <Bas> How do we detect SSE2 support on mac?
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# [02:01] <Waldo> Bas: depends what code you're talking about; we detect in different ways in different code last I knew (yes, this is in need of consolidation)
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# [02:02] <Bas> Waldo: xpcom/glue/SSE.h (or cpp), it seems to me like on Mac we'd always return false for Mac.
# [02:02] <Bas> (But I don't know mac very well)
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# [02:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5593fb266719 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 753142 - Add jsdebugger to b2g installer, r=philikon, a=b2g-only
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# [02:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4d571c9e9ca6 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 753168 - Create Marionette virtualenv in objdir. r=jgriffin DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [02:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dd84ed2c4d7b - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 752991 - Support new B2G in Marionette. r=jgriffin
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# [02:26] <philikon> gavin: ended up doing https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753168
# [02:26] <philikon> mch cleaner
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# [03:08] <bz> anyone here familiar with the MSVC preprocessor?
# [03:08] <bz> does it have a way to define function-like macros on the command line?
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# [03:17] <newbie> Hey quick question: I'm a TSR for Frontier Communications. I'm having to upgrade cx's browser. Is FF12 cools with Win2k?
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# [03:18] <nthomas|away> yes, support for Win2k is dropped in 13
# [03:18] <Mascondante> Just want to make sure before this download gets too deep. Cx is on a 320k connection
# [03:18] <Mascondante> Alright. Thank you.
# [03:18] <Mascondante> SP matter?
# [03:18] <nthomas|away> nope
# [03:18] <Mascondante> Ok Thanks
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# [03:20] <RyanVM> so these pointerlock tests are basically permaorange?
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# [03:29] <bz> shouldn't nsinstall do symlinks at least sometimes?
# [03:29] <philor> RyanVM: nah, it just seems like it because they made the mistake of running multiple tests out of a single filename
# [03:30] <gavin> philikon: nice
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# [03:47] <mbrubeck> Three inbound merges today? RyanVM++ and edmorley++ !
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# [03:47] <RyanVM> philor: looks like inbound needs a backout. I'm resolving a bunch of bugs right now, but I'll do it if you don't beat me to it
# [03:48] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: :)
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# [03:55] <njn> oh, the Mozilla Marketplace uses BrowserID?
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# [03:55] <njn> Note: Linux is not supported for this release.
# [03:55] <njn> WTF?
# [03:56] <sheppy> BrowserID is everywhere!
# [03:56] * njn closes that tab
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# [03:59] <dholbert> njn, tracked in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744193
# [03:59] <njn> dholbert: thx
# [04:00] * njn still doesn't quite understand web apps
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# [04:00] <bz> njn: it's easy
# [04:00] <bz> njn: whatever you think, they are
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# [04:00] <njn> bz: I think they're a very thin wrapper around a URL
# [04:00] <njn> maybe with an icon
# [04:00] <bz> njn: yeah
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# [04:00] <bz> njn: pretty much
# [04:00] <sheppy> More or less.
# [04:00] <bz> njn: sometimes with a manifest
# [04:00] <njn> bz: specifying what?
# [04:01] <sheppy> With caching info to let some or all of the site slurp to your device.
# [04:01] <bz> njn: the set of subresources
# [04:01] <sheppy> And stay
# [04:01] <bz> njn: images/scripts/etc
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# [04:01] <njn> sheppy: ah
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# [04:01] <sheppy> Let's the app work even offline.
# [04:01] <njn> sheppy: allowing use when not online, potentially?
# [04:01] <sheppy> Lets
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# [04:02] <sheppy> Yes.
# [04:02] <njn> sheppy: assuming it's written to allow that
# [04:02] <njn> ?
# [04:02] <sheppy> Right
# [04:02] <njn> but if it's not, then is there much point?
# [04:02] <sheppy> Well, sure. Still works, just requires a connection.
# [04:03] * njn wonders about paid apps; what's to stop you using it without paying just by visiting the URL?
# [04:03] <sheppy> Makes it easy to have an icon on your desktop or phone menu screen.
# [04:03] <njn> the icon makes more sense on a phone, I can see that
# [04:03] * bz has no idea how the money works
# [04:03] <sheppy> njn: that's a detail I don't understand yet :)
# [04:04] <dholbert> I'm betting on "crypto magic"
# [04:04] <njn> I'm betting on "nothing stops you"
# [04:04] <njn> but I'm a cynic
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# [04:06] <felipe> njn: buying an app generates a receipt (hash) associated with the user.. the web developer can then check those receipts against the marketplace to validate them. it's up to them to decide to which lengths they want to go for the validation
# [04:06] <biesi> I'm betting on "app asks app store whether you paid"
# [04:06] <njn> felipe: ok, thanks
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# [04:07] <sheppy> felipe: appreciate the info
# [04:07] <felipe> np, I don't know the specific impl details beyond that, but that's my general understanding
# [04:08] * khuey grumbles
# [04:08] <khuey> pg&e claims to have a 24 hour customer service line
# [04:08] <khuey> call them at 7 pm
# [04:09] <khuey> my only option is to report an outage
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# [04:09] <njn> felipe: that's enough that I can believe it could work
# [04:10] <ewong> pardon my ignorance.. the PGO limit exists because (clarification wanted) we're still building on 32bit?
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# [04:10] <darktrojan> yes
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# [04:11] <darktrojan> and we can't produce 32bit builds on a 64bit builder
# [04:11] <ewong> oh..
# [04:12] <catlee-away> yet
# [04:12] <darktrojan> ooh, there's a yet?
# [04:12] <darktrojan> talked MS into fixing it, have we?
# [04:12] <catlee-away> no
# [04:12] <catlee-away> but if we do builds on a 64bit builder, the process gets a full 4GB address space apparently
# [04:12] <catlee-away> instead of 3
# [04:13] <RyanVM> yes
# [04:13] <khuey> oh fuck me
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# [04:14] <khuey> if I call PG&E from my landline, I get their real stuff
# [04:14] <RyanVM> (I do 32bit builds on my Win7 64bit computer, FWIW)
# [04:14] <khuey> if I call them from my cell, I get the outage reporting line
# [04:14] <khuey> WTF
# [04:14] <khuey> they must be filtering on the area code
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# [04:15] <@dolske> khuey: you should try their _amazing_ telegraph support stop
# [04:15] <catlee-away> which buys us another 6 months of developer or something
# [04:15] <catlee-away> and then we're REALLY screwed
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# [04:17] <jtcranmer> just install more RAM
# [04:17] <@dolske> write everything in JS
# [04:17] <@dolske> * rewrite
# [04:17] <jtcranmer> nah, write it in python
# [04:18] <jtcranmer> I hear that does wonders for speed and memory
# [04:18] <catlee-away> and multithreading
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# [04:20] <RyanVM> hey, in 6 months ehsan will have us building with clang on windows :)
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# [04:22] <bz> multithreading in JS is easy
# [04:22] <bz> ctypes
# [04:22] <bz> pthreads
# [04:22] <bz> and off you go
# [04:22] <khuey> heh
# [04:22] <bz> crashes, what crashes?
# [04:22] <RyanVM> khuey: (I didn't even know that clang ran on Windows...)
# [04:22] <@dolske> the question is "off of _what_"
# [04:22] <@dolske> ;)
# [04:23] <catlee-away> linux!
# [04:23] <catlee-away> oh please
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# [04:24] <bz> dolske: "the deep end"
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# [04:25] <RyanVM> cpearce: I'm suspecting your landings today for the pointerlock permaorange
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# [04:26] <jtcranmer> RyanVM: clang's PGO is pretty nonexistent
# [04:26] <jtcranmer> and clang barely parses windows.h, let alone ABI
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# [04:27] <RyanVM> vs11 isn't showing any signs of being able to cross-compile 32bit binaries, is it?
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# [04:37] <@roc> I reckon the extra GB will get us a lot more than 6 months
# [04:38] <@roc> from 2 to 3GB bought us two years and that was with us adding third party code to xul.dll; now we have gkmedias to reduce the load
# [04:38] <@roc> but true, it's guesswork
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# [04:47] <cpearce> RyanVM: not perma orange, maybe aggravated though.
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# [04:48] <RyanVM> cpearce: very much so
# [04:48] <RyanVM> been starring it all night on inbound, and now it's on m-c with the merge
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# [05:01] <darktrojan> we don't have a broken site reporting tool any more, do we?
# [05:01] <KWierso> darktrojan: I don't think so
# [05:02] <KWierso> "report web forgery" is the closest I can see
# [05:02] * darktrojan didn't think so
# [05:02] <darktrojan> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=report+this+broken+site.
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# [05:38] <philor> oops, not only did I not back out that bustage on inbound, I just filed it as intermittent :(
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# [05:40] <philor> only 899
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# [05:44] <philor> oh, I didn't even realize we ran them on Aurora
# [05:44] <KWierso> philor: only on the jetpack tree
# [05:44] <philor> KWierso: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&noignore=1
# [05:44] <philor> so I guess I didn't need to keep mum about my ignorance
# [05:44] <KWierso> huh
# [05:45] <KWierso> I didn't think they ran there either...
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# [05:45] <philor> yeah, who knew? well, I must have at one point, I undoubtedly hid them when we switched tbpl over
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# [05:46] <KWierso> but we don't on beta
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# [05:47] <Callek> so... 40 non-try android jobs pending, with an oak one pending for more than 7 hours, "interesting"
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# [05:47] <newn> Hi, I am using flex attribute in a vbox , the problem is when i dynamically set hidden attribute to true and then back again to false , the flex does not seem to work properly. how can i fix this ?
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# [05:48] <philor> we don't much care for oak, it's probably priority: 9000
# [05:48] <Callek> of course our oldest try android pending is 17:21 hours
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# [05:49] <Callek> so, oak is lucky by comparison
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# [06:34] <joe> philor: i;r?
# [06:34] <khuey> infra, retriggered
# [06:34] <philor> joe: infra; retriggered
# [06:34] <joe> ah
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# [06:34] <philor> sometimes true, sometimes I later realize I meant "this slave is busted and I'll be filing a bug about it"
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# [06:35] <philor> in the case you may be looking at, I meant "slave hit a kernel panic while mounting a dmg yesterday afternoon, has been rather busted since, and maybe tp5.zip is congenitally busted too"
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# [06:36] <joe> "please throw it out a window"
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# [06:37] <philor> I'd love to, but we pretend tp5 is a good test despite all the evidence to the contrary
# [06:37] <philor> oh, the slave? that too
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# [06:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dd29535bac5f - Chris Jones - Bug 745145, part 0b: Ensure that the gonk system workers are never started in content processes. (The real patch.) r=philikon
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# [06:48] <darktrojan> I don't think our data centre has windows
# [06:48] <darktrojan> Windows maybe
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# [06:57] <@roc> what's the easiest way to disable the mochitest timeout
# [06:57] <@roc> ?
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# [06:59] <cpearce> roc: --timeout=some_big_number
# [06:59] <cpearce> roc: if using python directly, not sure how to do it using make
# [07:00] <cpearce> roc: EXTRA_TEST_ARGS='--timeout=some_big_number' might do it if using make.
# [07:00] <@roc> thanks
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# [07:07] <newn> Hi
# [07:08] <newn> I wanted to know that since firefox is written in XUL , so the source code of firefox contains source code of XUl as well? or only XUL libs or compiler..?
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# [07:10] <bz> the source code contains all the source code
# [07:10] <newn> bz: are you sure it contains the source code of XUL as well ..?
# [07:11] <KWierso> newn: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/find?string=.xul&tree=mozilla-central&;hint=
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# [07:11] <fabrice> newn: yes. all the code is at http://hg.mozilla.org/
# [07:11] <bz> pretty sure, even though I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "source code of XUL"
# [07:11] <bz> do you mean the actual XUL files?
# [07:11] <bz> or the C++ code that is compiled into a binary that then renders the XUL files?
# [07:11] <bz> in any case, both are in the source tree
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# [07:12] <newn> yes the C++ code that is compiled into a binary that then renders the XUL files ,. exactly !
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# [07:12] <bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/find?string=layout/xul/base/src&tree=mozilla-central
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# [07:13] <bz> or just look in layout/xul/base/src in your source if you already have a source checkout
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# [07:15] <newn> bz: layout/xul/base/src looks great ! so this is all the xul code ...
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# [07:15] <bz> such as it is
# [07:15] <bz> dunno about "all", but most
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# [07:16] <bz> keep in mind that a lot of XUL is implemented on top of other XUL stuff using XBL
# [07:16] <JonathanS> one doesn't simply to walk into xul/basic/src
# [07:16] <@roc> one does not simply walk into layout/xul/base/src?
# [07:16] <@roc> d'oh!
# [07:16] <philor> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/dd29535bac5f/layout/xul/base/src/nsSprocketLayout.cpp#l44
# [07:16] <newn> bz: although i also need to fix a problem with xul layout system only
# [07:16] <JonathanS> roc, great mind thinks alike?
# [07:16] <philor> a comment which dwarfs the comments in nsSprocketLayout.h
# [07:17] <@roc> philor: I prefer this one in the same file: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/dd29535bac5f/layout/xul/base/src/nsSprocketLayout.cpp#l676
# [07:17] <@dolske> now is the time when we dance.
# [07:18] <bz> nssprocketlayout
# [07:18] <bz> sigh
# [07:18] <bz> dholbert will save us from all of this
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# [07:18] <philor> is *that* why there are so many empties by my computer? I thought it was me drinking too much, it's my computer cracking one open every time it makes it through nsSprocketLayout::Layout!
# [07:19] <philor> also, dieter++
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# [07:19] <newn> The bug i want to fix in the XUL layout system is that , if a vbox has a flex="1" attribute , then if I toggle its "hidden" attribute , the flex does not do its work !
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# [07:21] * @dolske files that under "optimistic"
# [07:22] <newn> dolske: what does tha means ? :-)
# [07:23] <newn> taht*
# [07:23] <newn> that*
# [07:23] <bz> "!*props->pref"
# [07:23] * bz wonders how to write that such that it's readable
# [07:23] <bz> props->pref is a known-nonnull const char*
# [07:23] * bz just wants to test for empty string
# [07:23] <bz> roc: ping
# [07:24] <bz> roc: is it enough to have support for a pref which, if set, disables the property?
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# [07:24] <bz> roc: or do we also need support for a pref which, if set, enables a property that is normally disabled?
# [07:24] <@roc> aren't they the same if we put a default value in all.js?
# [07:25] <bz> yes
# [07:25] <bz> they are
# [07:26] <bz> just a matter of which way of writing IDL seems more natural
# [07:26] <bz> [Pref=css.disable.opacity] vs [Pref=css.enable.opacity]
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# [07:27] * bz implements "if the pref is set, disable the property"
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# [07:27] <bz> or more precisely "if the pref is set to true"
# [07:28] <@dolske> I'd try to avoid prefs with a built-in negative
# [07:28] <@roc> so would I to be honest
# [07:28] <@dolske> foo.enabled > foo.disabled
# [07:28] <bz> ok
# [07:28] <@dolske> because "foo.disabled = false" makes small children cry.
# [07:28] <bz> so foo.enabled for the prefname in the idl
# [07:29] <bz> alright
# [07:29] <bz> I can do that
# [07:29] <@dolske> and let's not even talk about foo.disabled = 3. :|
# [07:29] * bz uses GetBool() and assumes our pref system will do something sane
# [07:30] <mark> dolske: or "please turn on I'VE TRIED 3 TIMES NOW!"
# [07:30] <bz> Maybe I should write !*props->pref as props->pref[0] == '\0'
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# [07:32] <mark> though it seems weird to have an enable/disable group
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# [07:46] <AryehGregor> Ah, editor code: bool weDidSometing = false;
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# [07:47] <philor> bool strongMenAreCrying = true;
# [07:47] <bz> AryehGregor: what's wrong with that?
# [07:47] <AryehGregor> bz, "Someting"?
# [07:48] <philor> clearly should have been weDidSumpin' = false;
# [07:48] <KWierso> philor++
# [07:48] <JonathanS> web-based preference would be nice to dump dialog. :)
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# [07:50] <bz> AryehGregor: oh
# [07:50] <bz> AryehGregor: well, it's almost 2am. ;)
# [07:50] <KWierso> AryehGregor: at least it's consistently used in there, not accidental :)
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# [07:52] <smontagu> reminds me of bugs that used to get filed like "no coffee in 2nd floor kitchen"
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# [07:52] <bz> except somewhat different. ;)
# [07:52] <bz> grr...
# [07:52] <smontagu> when you actually read the bug, yes :)
# [07:52] <bz> c++ will let me do static arrays of structs
# [07:53] <JonathanS> no coffee requires QA?
# [07:53] <bz> but not static structs containing such arrays
# [07:53] <bz> I guess that sorta makes sense
# [07:53] <bz> but is annoying in this case
# [07:53] * bz wonders how to make this work
# [07:53] <bz> Ah
# [07:53] <bz> I know how
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# [08:00] <bz> another interesting question
# [08:00] <bz> should the prefability stuff apply to chrome?
# [08:00] <bz> or just content?
# [08:01] * bz is tempted to say just content
# [08:01] <AryehGregor> What's a good way to printf() a stack trace?
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# [08:01] <AryehGregor> Hmm, I guess I should just use a debugger . . .
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# [08:10] <@roc> bz: I'd say both, because of extensions
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# [08:11] <newn> Does adding "flex" attribute dynamically work?
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# [08:11] <bz> roc: ok
# [08:11] <bz> roc: nuking this stuff from Xrays will be a bit of a pain
# [08:11] * bz looks into how to do that
# [08:12] <bz> but not tonight
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# [08:14] <newn> ?
# [08:15] <@roc> newn: it should work, yes
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# [08:17] <justdave> did something land in aurora that kills extensions?
# [08:17] <justdave> I just updated and most of my extensions are gone
# [08:17] <@dolske> ... http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/false.c
# [08:17] <justdave> the dictionary addins for Rikaichan are all that's left (and those are plugins for other extensions, not standalone extensions on their own)
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# [08:20] <JonathanS> justdave, it gone poof?
# [08:20] <justdave> yep
# [08:21] <JonathanS> justdave, it is like South Park where bankers said "poof! your money is gone"
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# [08:22] <Unfocused> afaik, nothing addons related has landed on aurora since the merge
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# [08:23] * KWierso 's 5 addons survived the update to latest-aurora
# [08:23] <justdave> the annoying part is opening Aurora to a session restore with 40 tabs open to various random sites and NoScript is gone... :)
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# [08:23] <Unfocused> justdave: are the actual files gone from your profile?
# [08:24] <justdave> I haven't restarted in a few days, it's possible I just now picked up the version bump
# [08:24] <justdave> yeah, the files are actually gone
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# [08:25] <Unfocused> we only ever delete files with a user-initiated uninstall
# [08:25] <Unfocused> unless you hit some odd addon update bug
# [08:26] <justdave> the same thing happened to my Thunderbird Earlybird when it picked up the version bump, fwiw
# [08:26] <justdave> all the extensions went poof on it, too
# [08:26] <Unfocused> :\
# [08:26] <Unfocused> file a bug?
# [08:26] <Unfocused> and attach your extensions.sqlite, extensions.ini, and extensions.log files from your profile
# [08:27] <Unfocused> and a list of extensions that were missing
# [08:27] <justdave> I have two week's worth of daily backups of my profile directory, so attempting to reproduce might not be hard
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# [08:27] <Unfocused> ok, cool
# [08:27] <justdave> so there's a log, eh?
# [08:27] <justdave> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1627212
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# [08:30] <Unfocused> that first error is (or is like) bug 671894... though it shouldn't result in deleting the files
# [08:30] <Unfocused> oh, er, both errors are
# [08:31] <justdave> and that error's dated on the 6th
# [08:31] <justdave> although that might have been when I last restarted it
# [08:31] <justdave> and it only affected it on the next start after that...
# [08:31] <justdave> my backed up profile from yesterday has that in the error log still, and still has all the extensions
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# [08:32] <Unfocused> hmm, k
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# [08:32] <Unfocused> ty :)
# [08:32] <Unfocused> did you have addon compatibility reporter installed in that profile?
# [08:32] <justdave> I did
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# [08:33] <justdave> extensions/compatibility@addons.mozilla.org.xpi
# [08:33] <Unfocused> (it's the most common cause of bug 671894, and various other issues)
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# [08:35] <glob> lol @ http://www.ghacks.net/2012/05/08/breakthrough-mozilla-to-resolve-add-on-memory-leaks/
# [08:35] <glob> "Mozilla developer Kyle Huey explains how he fixed add-on memory leaks once and for all in the web browser"
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# [08:38] <@roc> oh boy
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# [08:49] <sawrubh> When I am trying to build my nightly from my local repo I am getting an error in this line : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1626924,
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# [08:50] <sawrubh> The rest of the terminal output after this step is here : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1626928
# [08:51] <sawrubh> Please help. I have been stuck for 2 days now.
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# [08:52] <Unfocused> sawrubh: that looks like something that was discussed in here a day or two ago. have you updated your local repo today?
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# [08:52] <sawrubh> No I updated it on May 7
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# [08:52] <sawrubh> I wasn't on the IRC for some days
# [08:52] <sawrubh> due to some commitments..Will it be in the logs ?
# [08:52] <Unfocused> i think you just had bad timing - try updating now, and rebuilding
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# [08:54] <Unfocused> yea, but afaik the issue was fixed
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# [08:57] <sawrubh> Should I do a clean build as in delete all object files and recompile them, I think right know the makefile uses the timestamp concept and only recompiles the changed files..How can I do a clean/ build from scratch ?
# [08:57] <gaston> remove objdir/*
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# [08:58] <Unfocused> what gaston said
# [08:58] <Unfocused> though i wouldn't expect you'd need to
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# [09:48] <Callek> :-)
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# [11:07] <sawrubh> Although the problem with my build's been solved but I just wanted to know that if some patch broke the builds then how did the try server let it go ahead ?
# [11:08] <sawrubh> In my case all Ubuntu builds were affected..
# [11:08] <Callek> sawrubh: ubuntu is not explicitly tested on our automation serversservers
# [11:08] <sawrubh> ohh..just out of curiosity, why ?
# [11:09] <Callek> sawrubh: our builders are CentOS5 (b2g is cent6.3 iirc) -- testers are Fedora 12
# [11:09] <Callek> sawrubh: mostly "number of machines" is the reason
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# [11:20] <AryehGregor> It might make more sense to have Linux32 be RHEL/Fedora and Linux64 be Ubuntu/Fedora, or something like that.
# [11:21] <AryehGregor> Although doubtless it would be less convenient for sysadmins. :)
# [11:22] <gaston> while at it drop an openbsd buildslave in the middle
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# [11:25] <Callek> AryehGregor: actually I suspect it will be *far* less convenient from RelEng state of mind
# [11:26] <Callek> design of the system/automation/etc. will be problematic
# [11:26] <AryehGregor> Why? I mean, I use Ubuntu, so I'd also be okay if the Linux machines were all just Ubuntu. ;)
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# [11:27] <AryehGregor> (yes, I've done sysadmin stuff too, I know that you want all your machines to be identical, and Ubuntu/Fedora probably differ little enough in test run results that it's not worth the sysadmin effort)
# [11:28] <AryehGregor> (particularly since they have totally different package managers and organize their packages differently, so setting up autoinstall would have to be perhaps completely duplicated -- maybe that's what you meant)
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# [11:29] <AryehGregor> (although in this specific case, the one who filed the bug apparently knew it would break Ubuntu but the patch was pushed anyway?)
# [11:29] <Callek> AryehGregor: we use puppet, but we also have custom packages we create for our needs, in some cases, we need to set up automation that depends on paths, and *specific* settings, internal yum repos (we'd need apt-get repos if we did ubuntu)
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# [11:30] <AryehGregor> Yes, unless you want to venture into the dark underworld of trying to use APT on Fedora or yum on Ubuntu. Okay, okay, I know it's a pain in the neck, probably not worth it.
# [11:30] <Callek> :-)
# [11:30] <Callek> ROI is one of those things that has to be weighed.
# [11:31] <Callek> Ubuntu at least does create/test their copies of Firefox that they ship through their official repo's
# [11:31] <Callek> in addition to our generic linux testing/userbase
# [11:31] <AryehGregor> Well, ROI for you putting in the effort to switch to Ubuntu is high for *me*, since I wouldn't have to do it. ;)
# [11:31] <AryehGregor> (Do they run our automated test suites?)
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# [13:04] <edmorley> glandium: not afaik
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# [13:09] <Ameya> can we always keep several addons always disabled as soon as we enter into private browsing... I mean by coding & not by keeping condition inside addon code...
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# [13:34] <c0smikdebris> clang wont recognize int64 or int64_t. should I be using something else?
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# [13:36] <@smaug> jesup: ping
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# [13:44] <Ameya> can we keep several addons always disabled as soon as we enter into private browsing... ?
# [13:45] <Ameya> Can we build blocklist or something which would contain list of addons those to be kept disable in private mode?
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# [14:21] <kaie> is it possible to connect from a linux machine to apple remote desktop?
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# [14:27] <@smaug> ftp issues again
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# [14:29] <mw22> sewardj hi
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# [14:40] <justdave> ok, so I finally got my backups shifted around to try this, and I can reproduce the extension removal
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# [14:41] <justdave> starting up with the restored backup results in http://people.mozilla.com/~justdave/extensionsgopoof.png
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# [14:47] <justdave> also confirmed that manually removing ACR prior to starting it up after freshly restoring it again *does* prevent the removal from happening, so ACR is indeed at fault most likely
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# [14:52] <justdave> oh, I take that back, it still nuked them all, it just doesn't do it right at startup or something....
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# [14:58] <justdave> yeah, it does it a couple minutes after starting up.
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# [15:00] <haz> hi guys i'm starting now to develop for mozilla but diring the configuratio i found the follwoing error make *** No rule to make targert c/users/Documents/.../mozilla/allmakefiles.sh, needed by 'obj-i686-pc-mingw32/Makefile'
# [15:00] <haz> how can i fix it?
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# [15:02] <edmorley> haz: are there any spaces in the path to the objdir maybe?
# [15:03] <haz> i already remove the space
# [15:03] <edmorley> did you clear the objdir after moving the srcdir?
# [15:04] <edmorley> and are you using -f client.mk etc?
# [15:04] <haz> no i did not clear the objdir
# [15:04] <haz> yes i'm using -f
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# [15:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/20bed1f4d9a1 - Honza Bambas - Bug 748647 - INHIBIT_PERSISTENT_CACHING was set to early, r=michal
# [15:08] <justdave> looks like maybe it was sync that did it
# [15:08] <justdave> I went in and unchecked the "Addons" box on the sync preferences as soon as I could after starting up
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# [15:08] <justdave> and now it's been 3 or 4 minutes and they're all still there.
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# [15:25] <justdave> Unfocused: so you see it. :) It wasn't ACR, it was Sync.
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# [15:27] <ttaubert> does anyone know why I can't swap the frame loaders of a standalone <browser/> and a <tabbrowser><browser/></tabbrowser>?
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# [15:45] <armenzg> how can I know which version of Flash I am running?
# [15:45] <gfritzsche> about:plugins
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# [16:10] <glandium> does someone know how to call a function after a crash in msvc ? supposedly, a watch works, but it tells me it can't find the symbol :(
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# [16:14] <vlad> glandium: you may have to fully specify the symbol, using the weird {} notation
# [16:14] <vlad> glandium: you may also have better luck if you open the 'immediate' window
# [16:14] <glandium> vlad: for a C symbol ?
# [16:14] <vlad> and use "? foo" to evaluate foo
# [16:15] <vlad> glandium: like if I remember right, it'll be something like {dllname}symbol or {,,dllname}symbol
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# [16:17] <glandium> vlad: aah it works with '{,,dllname}symbol', except it doesn't want to recognize the arguments...
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# [16:17] <glandium> one being a callback function might not help (even if i'm trying to give it NULL)
# [16:18] <vlad> glandium: does it work in the immediate window?
# [16:19] <vlad> via ? {,,dllname}symbol(a,b,c) ?
# [16:19] <jesup> smaug: pong
# [16:19] <glandium> vlad: that's where i'm getting "argument list does not match a function"
# [16:19] <vlad> hmm
# [16:19] <glandium> and when i try adding casts, i get "syntax error"
# [16:20] <vlad> and you're using 0 instead of NULL?
# [16:20] <glandium> yes
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# [16:21] <vlad> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/271042/invoking-functions-while-debugging-with-visual-studio-2005
# [16:21] <vlad> looks to be stupidly broken/implemented
# [16:21] <vlad> (which matches my experience, sadly.. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't)
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# [16:23] <glandium> i guess i could add a function with no args to wrap that function
# [16:23] <vlad> yeah, that should work
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# [16:24] <catlee> ehsan: so I'm trying to build 32-bit on win64 with your mozconfigs
# [16:24] <@ehsan> ok
# [16:24] <catlee> getting this kind of stuff:
# [16:24] <catlee> 64 bit Processing c:\tools\sdks\v7.0\include\objidl.idl
# [16:24] <catlee> Accessible2.idl
# [16:24] <catlee> is that ok?
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# [16:25] <@ehsan> hmm
# [16:25] <@ehsan> I guess so
# [16:25] <@ehsan> I did not pay much attention to the build output
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# [16:25] <@ehsan> catlee: but it should be fine
# [16:25] <catlee> is there anything I can look at in the cl.py invocation or output to make sure it's compiling for the correct arch?
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# [16:26] <@ehsan> hmm
# [16:27] <@ehsan> catlee: I used dependency walker on the produced binaries
# [16:27] <@ehsan> catlee: which tells you if you have a 64-bit binary
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# [16:29] <catlee> ok
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# [16:31] <catlee> well, let's see what happens with this build
# [16:31] <catlee> I really hope it works, the patch is pretty small :)
# [16:31] <gerv> How come Flash crashing takes down Native Fennec?
# [16:32] <gerv> Do we not have the nice process separation stuff on Android?
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# [16:32] <NeilAway> ttaubert: because the find bar works differently
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# [16:34] <NeilAway> catlee: I build 32-bit and 64-bit, the only difference is starting the right mozillabuild batch file
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# [16:35] <ttaubert> NeilAway: hm. so how can I implement something like: I have a hidden <browser> that preloads a page. then I want to swap this browser's frame loader with a tab's one?
# [16:35] <catlee> NeilAway: yeah, we can't do that here
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# [16:39] <NeilAway> catlee: what I mean is, the build system shouldn't need much tweaking
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# [16:39] <NeilAway> ttaubert: maybe do something similar to the hidden tab used for print preview?
# [16:39] <ttaubert> NeilAway: any pointers where to find that?
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# [16:41] <NeilAway> ttaubert: hmm, actually that's not much of a hidden tab, but because we hide all the ui, you don't know it's there
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# [16:42] <ttaubert> hmm
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# [16:42] <ttaubert> I just wonder why browser1.QueryInterface(Ci.nsIFrameLoaderOwner).swapFrameLoaders(browser2) doesn't work
# [16:42] <ttaubert> with a standalone and a tabbrowser child
# [16:43] <ttaubert> bails out here http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/xul/content/src/nsXULElement.cpp#2009
# [16:43] <NeilAway> ttaubert: oh, I was only reading browser.xml
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# [16:44] <NeilAway> ttaubert: so, what's null, one of the mFrameLoader members?
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# [16:45] <ttaubert> NeilAway: probably
# [16:45] <ttaubert> one of them is loaded
# [16:45] <ttaubert> the other one is a new tab with about:blank in it
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# [16:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/be5203774846 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 751690: isApplicationInBackground() should return correct values r=mfinkle
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# [16:50] <NeilAway> ttaubert: can't tell from code inspection sorry
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# [16:51] <ttaubert> NeilAway: ok, thx
# [16:52] <naveed> Gary on CTIA live stream now : http://daily.ctia.org/WIRELESS2012/
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# [16:53] <glob> ooo 56k connection
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# [16:54] <ttaubert> doesn't wfm
# [16:55] <glandium> ttaubert: same here
# [16:55] <glob> http://daily.ctia.org/WIRELESS2012/?playkeynotes wfm
# [16:55] <ttaubert> aha
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# [17:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0868da9fac99 - Kyle Huey - Bug 752877: Ensure that wrapper cutting happens after [inner|outer]-window-destroyed, to give code a chance to clean up. r=bz
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# [17:31] <froydnj> why would I get check-sync-dirs failures on try, but not locally?
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# [17:34] <edmorley> log?
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# [17:34] <prazuber> How long it takes for autoland to start? Bot changed whiteboard to [autoland-in-queue] more than 6 hours ago, but try run hasn't started yet
# [17:34] <froydnj> e.g. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11606720&tree=Try
# [17:34] <edmorley> froydnj: actually me being silly, looking up log on try
# [17:35] <froydnj> hm, maybe check-sync-dirs should be more informative
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# [17:35] <edmorley> froydnj: did you clobber locally?
# [17:35] <froydnj> mmm, no
# [17:36] <edmorley> this cset is missing js/src/config.mk change https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/93b51380037d
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# [17:37] <lsblakk> prazuber: it's not working right now
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# [17:37] <prazuber> ah, thanks. I started to worry
# [17:38] <edmorley> froydnj: basically check-sync-dirs ensures that all copies of anything present in js/src/build and js/src/config are identical with those in top level. FIles can be missing, just not present and different. Also any files on the exceptions list are exlcuded http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/src/config/check-sync-exceptions
# [17:38] <froydnj> edmorley: doh. thanks.
# [17:38] <froydnj> hm, clobbering locally still doesn't trigger the error. weird.
# [17:38] <edmorley> froydnj: is configure being run?
# [17:39] <edmorley> check-sync-dirs only runs during configure iirc
# [17:39] <froydnj> edmorley: re-ran configure on a clean objdir
# [17:39] <edmorley> oh
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# [17:39] <edmorley> file excluded when making the mq?
# [17:39] <froydnj> nope
# [17:39] <nemo> Say, are bug #700926 and bug #711326 interrelated?
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# [17:45] <nemo> Actually, comment #5 in bug #711326 implies yes
# [17:45] <nemo> er
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# [17:45] <nemo> comment #5 in bug #700926
# [17:46] <nemo> maybe 711326 could even be duped
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# [17:56] <bz> I don't recall signing up
# [17:56] <bz> and attempting to unsubscribe .... didn't exactly work
# [17:56] <sheppy> oof
# [17:56] <bz> which suggests that someone stuck some mailing list I'm on on this list
# [17:56] <bz> instead of actually putting my address in there per se
# [17:57] <bz> and yes, the mails are getting very tedious
# [17:57] <bz> esp. because I do NOT have such a phone
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# [17:58] <sheppy> heh
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# [17:58] <sheppy> I have one but don't really use it much; I test specific mobile things, but actually using it doesn't really happen since I don't like using Android. :)
# [17:58] <NeilAway> gcp: yes, you can copy the right files
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# [17:59] <gcp> NeilAway: ok, then I guess this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1628006 is a "shouldn't happen"
# [17:59] <mounir> mbrubeck: ping
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# [17:59] <NeilAway> gcp: no idea as to which files are the right files :s
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# [18:00] <jhammel> Waldo: no, please, go ahead :)
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# [18:01] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ping
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# [18:01] <bbondy> ejpbruel:hi
# [18:01] <ejpbruel> bbondy: remind me again how i could test the bmp encoder? colloquy crashed and threw away my logs for yesterday
# [18:02] <bbondy> using canvas.ToDataURL and then set an image element's src attribute to it
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# [18:02] <bbondy> image\test\reftest\encoders-lossless\encoder.html
# [18:02] <bbondy> has examples that does exactly that
# [18:03] <bbondy> and compares it to a reference png image
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# [18:04] <ejpbruel> cool, thanks!
# [18:04] <bbondy> np
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# [18:04] <ejpbruel> can i run that existing test btw?
# [18:04] <ejpbruel> *how
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# [18:04] <bbondy> like this:
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# [18:05] <bbondy> TEST_PATH=image/test/reftest/encoders-lossless/reftest.list pymake -C obj-i686-pc-mingw32 reftest
# [18:05] <bbondy> or just make if you don't have an alias set for that and if you build normally
# [18:06] <bbondy> (make instead of pymake in the above command)
# [18:06] <ejpbruel> awesome, will try it out
# [18:06] <bbondy> you can also copy out the html file and hardcode some values
# [18:07] <bbondy> as it works in the tests you pass url parameters to it
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# [18:13] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i get a heap corruption when running that test, how can i debug it on windows? (clicking retry as suggested does not seem to work)
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# [18:14] <ejpbruel> oh hold on, it could just be my VM being extremely slow
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# [18:14] * bz loves the web
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# [18:15] <bz> location.href = "foo";
# [18:15] <bz> document.close();
# [18:15] <bz> document.open();
# [18:15] <bz> document.write("something");
# [18:15] <bz> document.close();
# [18:15] <bz> Page expects "foo" to be shown.
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# [18:17] <philor> does anyone want to deal with bug 688897, or should I just random-if it?
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# [18:18] <philor> random-if(!Linux), apparently
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# [18:18] <Waldo> bz: why not, out of curiosity? I'd expect the location-change to post an event to do the thing, which would happen after the document-nuking
# [18:19] <bz> Waldo: it depends on the semantics of close()
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# [18:19] <bz> waldo: e.g. whether it calls stop()
# [18:19] <bz> waldo: in any case, the real point is ..why would you write code like that?
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# [18:19] <Waldo> bz: what stop() method is this we're talking about?
# [18:19] <Waldo> bz: heh, fair
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# [18:19] <bz> waldo: (how it behaves in browsers is a separate issue)
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# [18:19] <bz> waldo: there are various parts of the navigation algorithm that include terminating all pending navigations
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# [18:20] <Waldo> hmm
# [18:20] <bz> waldo: document.close/open hook into the navigation algorithm in some places, but maybe not those particular ones
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# [18:20] <bz> waldo: in any case, we used to show "foo" here, so we need to keep doing that
# [18:20] <bz> waldo: but it was more of a meta-comment on the state of code on the web.
# [18:20] <Waldo> :-)
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# [18:23] <mayhemer__> how can I edit pages on MDN?
# [18:23] <Waldo> get a browserid account set up for it, then just edit, I thought
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# [18:24] <mayhemer__> Waldo: I tried, somehow it doesn't work...
# [18:24] <Waldo> hm, maybe try #devmo, although many of the principals are also here too
# [18:25] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ok, i cant seem to get into the debugger after this heap corruption. clicked 'retry' and nightly just freezes. now what?
# [18:25] <bbondy> sorry which heap corruption?
# [18:25] <Mossop> bsmedberg: Do we still support building Firefox on XULRunner?
# [18:26] <bbondy> you can try to launch firefox with the debugger or attach to it before whatever heap corruption you are getting
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# [18:26] <mayhemer__> Waldo: ah, it works now... not sure what has happened the first time
# [18:26] <Waldo> sunspots
# [18:26] <bbondy> brb getting some coffee at Tims
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# [18:27] <ejpbruel> bbondy: k
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# [18:29] <bz> hmm
# [18:29] <bz> we're having some invalidation issues when paging down on http://cache.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2011/10/Greenlight-Capital-VIC-2011-Presentation-GMCR.pdf
# [18:29] * bz wonders whether to file
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# [18:30] <bz> I probably should
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# [18:34] <@bsmedberg> Mossop: yes, at least Linux distros still do it
# [18:35] <taras> luke: ping
# [18:35] <@bsmedberg> Mossop: "we" and "support" may be strong words for it
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# [18:35] <luke> taras: pong
# [18:35] <Mossop> bsmedberg: Ok, but I shouldn't make stuff which might explicitly break it
# [18:35] <@bsmedberg> probably not
# [18:35] <taras> luke: you work on slow script dialog, right?
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# [18:35] <luke> luke: nope
# [18:35] <@bsmedberg> unless there's some super-huge win
# [18:36] <@bsmedberg> and then we can propose/discuss it!
# [18:36] <Mossop> ok
# [18:36] <taras> luke: well, the backend for it anyway?
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# [18:36] <luke> taras: the operation callback?
# [18:36] <taras> luke: i dont know what that is
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# [18:38] <@smaug> mayhemer__: I'll try the old builds
# [18:38] <mayhemer__> smaug: thank you
# [18:38] <@smaug> mayhemer__: hmm
# [18:38] <@smaug> or
# [18:38] <@smaug> mayhemer__: it is kind of hard
# [18:38] <@smaug> we don't have tools to check leaks easily...
# [18:38] <mayhemer__> smaug: ok, don't bother then
# [18:39] <@smaug> mayhemer__: let me think...
# [18:39] <taras> luke: anyway, the problem is that the dialog does not take suspend times into consideration
# [18:39] <@smaug> mayhemer__: we can create cc logs in that old build
# [18:39] <taras> luke: who would be the right person to talk to about that?
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# [18:39] <@smaug> and I have scripts to analyze the logs..
# [18:39] <luke> taras: yeah, that is in dom-land
# [18:39] <@smaug> mayhemer__: ok, maybe I can try the builds after all
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# [18:39] <mayhemer__> smaug: I was just analyzing some log (a different bug) and I saw a lot of nsHttpChannels loading images that were freed before shutdown
# [18:40] <luke> taras: so, i jst, peterv, etc
# [18:40] <taras> jst: ^
# [18:40] <mayhemer__> smaug: didn't you try to figure out what URL the CORS listener was bound to?
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# [18:40] <taras> luke: thanks, sorry for bothering you
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# [18:42] <@smaug> mayhemer__: I didn't
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# [18:42] <@smaug> mayhemer__: CC log tells which document (URL) is kept alive
# [18:42] <mayhemer__> smaug: xhr for an image is anyway nonsense
# [18:42] <@smaug> mayhemer__: why?
# [18:43] <@smaug> mayhemer__: you can load blobs
# [18:43] <mayhemer__> smaug: that's right
# [18:43] <NeilAway> eek, I can't tab
# [18:43] <mayhemer__> I can try to go that way and catch if there is not a leak in img lib rather...
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# [18:47] <ejpbruel> so what do i do when i nightly prompts me with some heap corruption, and clicking retry does *not* enter the debugger?
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# [18:49] <ejpbruel> attach to process doesnt work either
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# [18:50] <bent> windgb usually has better luck, assuming you've got a recent version
# [18:51] <bent> otherwise attaching *before* the corruption can help
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# [18:51] <ejpbruel> bent: that did the trick!
# [18:52] <bent> which? windbg?
# [18:52] <ejpbruel> thanks bent
# [18:52] <@ehsan> armenzg_lunch: ping
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# [18:53] <ejpbruel> bent: attaching before corruption
# [18:53] <bent> ah ok
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# [18:57] <cpeterson> windgb trivia: I used to work at Microsoft and, internally, many people called it "wind bag". :)
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# [19:04] <nemo> bz: oh hey, since you're awake. is bug #711326 dependent on bug #700926 ? I ask since you commented in #711326 - although admittedly you comment in every single bug...
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# [19:04] <nemo> (they are both things I'm looking forward too, and was wondering if they'd be resolved by the same thing)
# [19:05] <armenzg_lunch> ehsan: pong
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# [19:05] <@ehsan> armenzg: can you please give me the password to the slave I own?
# [19:05] <@ehsan> so that I can rdp into it?
# [19:05] <bz> nemo: might even be a dup. Adding a dep should be fine
# [19:05] <armenzg> ehsan: talos-r3-w7-003?
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# [19:11] <@ehsan> armenzg: yep
# [19:11] <armenzg> ehsan: can you please try again?
# [19:11] <armenzg> I have put the password back to the original value
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# [19:12] <Ms2ger> hunter2?
# [19:12] <edmorley|mtg> heh
# [19:12] <jhammel> Ms2ger: no, hunter1
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# [19:12] <Ms2ger> edmorley|mtg, oh, you get to go to meetings now? ;)
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# [19:12] <@ehsan> armenzg: thanks!
# [19:13] <edmorley> Ms2ger: only if I'm really well behaved :-)
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# [19:14] <armenzg> ehsan: yw
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# [19:15] <Mossop> edmorley: Are you sure that isn't the other way around?
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# [19:16] <Ms2ger> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3rb18iTYj1rvsbh9o1_500.jpg
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# [19:17] <Ms2ger> bholley, gah, that was going to be my line!
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# [19:18] <bholley> Ms2ger: which?
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> "bholley's review is sufficient for any of the stuff I would need to review here."
# [19:18] <bholley> Ms2ger: too late :-)
# [19:18] <bholley> Ms2ger: to be fair, I think my review burden is higher than yours
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# [19:19] <Ms2ger> bholley, otoh, you're paid for it ;)
# [19:19] <bholley> Ms2ger: touché
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> bholley, ooh, getting all fançy with accents now you're in France? ;)
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# [19:20] <jhammel> Ms2ger: itym République française
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> jhammel, wikipedia++
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# [19:21] <jhammel> :P
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> "I don't understand the complaints. Firefox keeps getting faster and better with every iteration."
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# [19:21] <Ms2ger> Saying that in bug 78414 broke my sarcasm-detector
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# [19:28] <gps> what part of the profile provides a "Cache" top-level directory (on OS X)?
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# [19:28] <bz> gps: what do you mean?
# [19:29] <gps> bz: see bug 752243
# [19:29] <gps> build machines are running into a permissions denied when trying to remove this directory
# [19:29] <bz> looking
# [19:29] <gps> I think it may be due to a recent change in whatever creates that directory
# [19:30] <bz> the necko cache could be it
# [19:30] <bz> if you start with -profile /dir/name
# [19:30] <bz> then the necko cache ends up in Cache in that dir
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# [19:31] <gps> where is the cache if you don't start that way?
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# [19:32] <Mossop> In the local part of the profile folder. I forget where it is on OSX, something like ~/Library/Cache/Firefox...
# [19:32] <bz> ~/Library/Caches/Firefox/Profiles/random.profilename
# [19:33] <gps> good to know!
# [19:33] <bz> (not to be confused with ~/Library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/random.profilename which is where things like prefs.js and whatnot live)
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# [19:39] <jlebar|mac> Can I get a window's ID from chrome JS?
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# [19:40] <jlebar|mac> Oh, it's on nsIDOMWindowUtils.
# [19:42] <justdave> Unfocused: it may have been ACR afterall, and sync just made it keep coming back.
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# [19:46] <khuey> wow
# [19:46] <khuey> I got my CA tax refund in less than a month
# [19:46] <khuey> last year it took two or three
# [19:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6f6af0178099 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 749956 - Start tracking this releng only talos installer file in the tree. r=ehsan. DONTBUILD
# [19:49] <Mossop> khuey: I filed mine well before the deadline. Both the CA and federal refunds were in my account in under 3 weeks
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# [19:50] <khuey> Mossop: nice, I had to wait on another w2 that got lost so I didn't get to file mine until April
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# [19:51] <Waldo> cpeterson: you should talk to luke sometime and exchange war stories; he worked on the kernel for a summer (?) there, and has mentioned the windbag thing around the JS pit occasionally :-)
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# [19:51] <cpeterson> Waldo: that's funny. windbg is awesome. :)
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# [19:54] <marco> I'm having problems with the maintenance service and avast, are these problems known?
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# [19:55] <bz> http://html9responsiveboilerstrapjs.com/
# [19:55] <Waldo> khuey: \o/ bug 743376 opening
# [19:56] <khuey> Waldo: hmm?
# [19:56] <Waldo> khuey: happy to see nightly-only, quickly-caught/fixed security bugs getting opened and not forgotten, is all
# [19:57] <Waldo> bz: most excellent
# [19:57] <khuey> Waldo: ah
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# [19:57] <khuey> yes
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# [19:58] * bz should implement an hg attackclone
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# [19:59] <jviereck> I'm looking at the HTMLCanvasElement rendering code and try to figure out where the content is painted to the actual output surface. Can someone give me a hint where that is?
# [19:59] <bz> jviereck: I _think_ it always happens via the layer....
# [20:01] <jviereck> bz: I see the layer build here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsHTMLCanvasFrame.cpp#288, but "what" draws the layer in the end?
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# [20:05] <bz> jviereck: I don't know
# [20:06] <bz> jviereck: presumably whatever it is that composites layers....
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# [20:07] <marco> bbondy, should I file a new bug about problems with avast and the maintenance service?
# [20:07] <jviereck> dholbert: do you have any idea about this?
# [20:08] <bbondy> marco: please do, I'm not sure what can be done except to contact them though.
# [20:08] <bbondy> there was a bug posted before about AV and the service but it was already fixed by the AV
# [20:08] <bbondy> I can't remember which AV it was though
# [20:08] <dholbert> jviereck, my guess would be http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsCanvasFrame.cpp#245
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# [20:09] <dholbert> jviereck, or some other paint-sounding thing in nsCanvasFrame
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# [20:09] <marco> bbondy, I've contacted their technical support, but no reply so far
# [20:09] <dholbert> jviereck, (didn't read all of the backscroll; might be answering the wrong question)
# [20:10] <bbondy> k, let's track progress in the bug
# [20:10] <marco> the big problem is that while in the UAC prompt there was the name of the applications being blocked
# [20:10] <marco> in the avast prompt it's a lot more difficult to understand what's going on
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# [20:11] <bbondy> so it comes up with some other prompt? then if you cancel it does it fall back to the UAC prompt?
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# [20:12] <marco> bbondy, there's only one prompt by avast
# [20:13] <bbondy> and it asks to start the service?
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# [20:13] <bbondy> what does the prompt say? Which options does it give? And what happens when you do each of those options? :)
# [20:13] <marco> if I remember correctly, it asks if you want to modify system files, or something like this
# [20:13] <marco> I'll check better before opening the bug
# [20:14] <marco> as I'm now on Linux
# [20:14] <bbondy> ok thanks
# [20:14] <bbondy> also does it happen on each update or just when installing?
# [20:14] <marco> on each update
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# [20:14] <bbondy> marco: So even if you already have the service installed it will ask on each update right?
# [20:14] <marco> yes
# [20:15] <bbondy> k
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# [20:15] <bbondy> just wanted to differentiate between it attempting to install itself on each update and getting blocked, and a prompt for each update after it is installed
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# [20:17] <marco> ah, usually if you cancel this type of prompts by avast, it doesn't fallback to the UAC, but block the operation
# [20:18] <bbondy> well it's curious to me because the way the code works, is if the StartService call fails, it will then relaunch with UAC
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# [20:18] <bbondy> so if it is blocking the StartService call, then it should have a UAC prompt after it
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# [20:19] <bbondy> must be blocking some other operation close to there I guess
# [20:19] <@ehsan> mak: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673017#c897
# [20:19] <marco> ah ok, I'll see when I'll reboot with Windows, as I said I haven't tried to cancel the prompt yet
# [20:20] * bz wonders why typeahead find is being so weird
# [20:20] <bbondy> cool thx
# [20:20] <catlee> khuey: I see lots of system compartments with resource://jidXXXXX - are those the leaking addon sdk compartments?
# [20:21] <@ehsan> catlee: yes
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# [20:22] <khuey> catlee: not necessarily leaking
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# [20:22] <khuey> catlee: but they are addon sdk compartments
# [20:23] <@ehsan> oh right, didn't see "leaking" in catlee's question!
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# [20:23] <catlee> ah
# [20:23] <catlee> how do I find out if they're leaking?
# [20:23] <catlee> ghost windows?
# [20:23] <khuey> the addon sdk creates a *lot* of compartments even in normal operation
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# [20:24] <jlebar|mac> catlee: ghost windows would be a good place to start.
# [20:24] <catlee> ok, those seem to be gone now
# [20:24] <catlee> I repacked a few addons and updated nightly
# [20:24] <catlee> they haven't come back yet
# [20:25] <khuey> did somebody break make -C objdir xpcshell-tests?
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# [20:28] <Mossop> catlee: If you disable your add-ons and they don't go away then they're leaking
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# [20:32] <jimm> ehsan: re you suggestion of patching on the build side, I don't understand how that addresses the imports the crt dlls pull in from kernel32.dll. Are you suggesting we patch the crt dlls prior to building the install?
# [20:33] <@ehsan> jimm: ah, the redistribution problem
# [20:33] <@ehsan> jimm: sorry I just managed to confuse myself :(
# [20:34] <jimm> you know, we should confirm we can't do that. the redist license isn't clear to me. I'll see if i can get legal to look at it.
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# [20:34] <bz> note: candidate template ignored: substitution failure [with T = nsISupports]
# [20:34] * bz wonders what that means
# [20:35] <@ehsan> jimm: sounds like a good idea
# [20:35] <bz> or more precisely, why the substitution failed... ;
# [20:35] <@ehsan> jimm: cause if we can actually redist those DLLs, this will be a lot simpler
# [20:35] <jimm> yeah no doubt
# [20:35] <edmorley> booo new intermittent leaks on my m-c push
# [20:36] <bz> oh
# [20:36] <bz> I see
# [20:36] <bz> means "missing const" in this case
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# [20:37] <bz> so here is a question
# [20:37] <bz> say I want to declare the equivalent of |const T&| where T is Foo*
# [20:37] <bz> but just writing it down directly
# [20:37] <bz> so a const ref to a pointer to Foo
# [20:37] <bz> How would one actually write down this type?
# [20:38] <khuey> Foo*& const?
# [20:38] <bz> aha
# [20:38] * bz thinks
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# [20:38] <khuey> er
# [20:38] <bz> no, I think it needs to be Foo* const &
# [20:38] <khuey> wrong channel
# [20:39] <khuey> bz: Foo* const & is a reference to a const * to a Foo
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# [20:40] <bz> yes
# [20:40] <bz> that's what I want here, in fact
# [20:40] <bhearsum|buildduty> how's the tree looking today?
# [20:41] <bz> since my arg is declared as |const T&|
# [20:41] <bz> so is a reference to a const T
# [20:41] <bz> where T is Foo*
# [20:41] <khuey> well you asked for a const ref :-P
# [20:41] <bz> well, my prose did not match my idl
# [20:41] <bz> sorry about that. ;)
# [20:41] <khuey> I suspect that is a problem we will have a lot
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> const_cast!
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# [20:43] <Waldo> lsblakk: you mind if I shamelessly repurpose your bike-to-work-day email from last year, for this year? ;-)
# [20:44] <biesi> bz, refs are always const refs, fwiw
# [20:44] <lsblakk> Waldo: not at all
# [20:44] <biesi> i.e. you can never change what a ref is pointing to
# [20:44] <lsblakk> wish i could bike to work tomorrow but i actually have to drive
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> Boo
# [20:44] <bz> biesi: indeed
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> ... said beezee to beezee
# [20:45] <philor> bhearsum|buildduty: happiest it's been in quite a while
# [20:45] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: awesome
# [20:46] <bhearsum|buildduty> i'm glad it fears me so much
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# [20:46] <philor> it was as surprised as you were that you were buildduty this week, that's why it took a couple days to get into shape
# [20:47] <bhearsum|buildduty> hehe
# [20:47] <bz> awesome
# [20:47] * bz just got removed from a W3C mailing list
# [20:47] <robarnold> bz: is using attr in CSS rules fast at all performant in webkit/gecko?
# [20:47] <bhearsum|buildduty> philor: if you're trying to get me to be buildduty more often, gtfo
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> bz, can hardly be bad ;)
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# [20:48] <edmorley> philor: the lack of commits is making me suspicious... I'm sure we'll end up paying for it by the end of the week :-)
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# [20:48] <Waldo> bz: congrats!
# [20:48] <Ms2ger> spammers--
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# [20:49] <dwarfcrank> gonna change that now.
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# [20:56] <catlee> ehsan: same build error with MOZ_TOOLS set to the 32-bit versions :(
# [20:57] <jlebar|mac> smaug: messageManager.loadFrameScript(url, true) loads the frame script into every new frame created after, right?
# [20:57] * catlee tries putting it in PATH
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# [20:57] <jlebar|mac> smaug: So, for example, it would be totally wrong to do that for BrowserElementChild.
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# [20:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b5765cc9da6c - Kyle Huey - Update the WebIDL Parser to pick up Bug 753459. r=bz
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# [21:00] <catlee> where to the mk_add_options flags end up?
# [21:00] <catlee> where do the
# [21:00] <dwarfcrank> in your .mozconfig
# [21:01] <catlee> and then?
# [21:01] <catlee> .mozconfig.mk?
# [21:02] <dwarfcrank> no, just .mozconfig, in root directory of mozilla-central
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# [21:02] <catlee> I'm trying to tell if I need to clobber after changing my .mozconfig
# [21:02] <catlee> I changed some mk_add_options
# [21:02] <dwarfcrank> ah, dunno about that, though it might be a good idea
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# [21:02] <khuey> depends on what you changed
# [21:02] <jimm> catlee: you have to reconfigure to get the build to pick up the options
# [21:02] <khuey> MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS is safe
# [21:02] <khuey> others aren't
# [21:02] <catlee> yeah, I called client.mk configure
# [21:03] <catlee> khuey: I'm messing with the environment vars; e.g. mk_add_options "export MOZ_TOOLS=$MOZ_TOOLS"
# [21:03] <catlee> where do those get saved after configure is run?
# [21:04] <jimm> I'd guess mozilla-config.h in your obj dir
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# [21:04] <catlee> and this is tyring to get 32-bit PGO builds working in our win64 environment
# [21:05] <khuey> catlee: make -C objdir echo-variable-MOZ_TOOLS to see if it got picked up
# [21:05] <khuey> cpeterson: food?
# [21:05] <cpeterson> khuey, sure
# [21:05] <khuey> k
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# [21:05] <catlee> khuey|away: ok, thanks
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# [21:08] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: karma spammers
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# [21:08] <bz> ok
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# [21:08] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, -49985
# [21:08] <bz> I need a victim^H^H^H^H^H^Hvolunteer to fix the interaction of document.open and navigation timing APIs
# [21:08] <bz> any takers? ;)
# [21:09] * bz is good at selling things
# [21:10] <Ms2ger> Not it
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# [21:10] <NeilAway> selling? you'd have to pay me
# [21:10] <bz> ms2ger: indeed; you have other things to do
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# [21:13] <lycantrophe> I have a possible feature suggestion (more of a tweak, really). Where should I drop this? Here, mailing lists, #intro?
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# [21:15] <gaston> what does :nick means in bugzilla ? it's linked to being a mozilla employee, or a L1/L2 access ?
# [21:15] <@ted> bsmedberg: bug 732485 doesn't actually have to be sensitive, does it?
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# [21:15] <@ted> gaston: it's just a convention
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# [21:16] <@ted> people put their irc nicks in there because bugzilla does completion of usernames
# [21:16] <@ted> so if you want to get a review from me, or CC me on a bug, you just have to type :ted instead of my full bugmail
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# [21:16] <gaston> ah so anyone can add it to the 'real name' field in bugzilla ?
# [21:16] <@ted> yup
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# [21:17] <gaston> ok, thanks :)
# [21:17] <@bsmedberg> ted: I guess not, I wasn't sure whether those sorts of internal details are normally public.
# [21:17] <@ted> shouldn't matter, there's nothing secret in there
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# [21:18] <@ehsan> catlee: oh, did you also fix the other variables?
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# [21:22] <@bsmedberg> jlebar|mac: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0ea5ffb32120 :-( I can't see how I broke strings.
# [21:23] <Ms2ger> Badly
# [21:25] <NeilAway> gavin: bah, they used to use Services.prefs and deliberately switched to application :-(
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# [21:27] <bz> anyone here know what the spec says about XHR upload progress events?
# [21:28] <Ms2ger> A little
# [21:29] <gavin> NeilAway: who?
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# [21:29] <NeilAway> gavin: dunno, meaningless commit comment
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# [21:30] <gavin> NeilAway: what commit?
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# [21:31] <NeilAway> gavin: 84568ee4
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# [21:33] <gavin> NeilAway: in which repo?
# [21:33] <gavin> I'm still completely lost here
# [21:33] <gavin> are you talking about pdf.js?
# [21:33] <NeilAway> gavin: yes, sorry, I should have said
# [21:34] <gavin> yeah, that's weird
# [21:34] <gavin> "address m-c extension code review"
# [21:34] <gavin> you can ask bdahl
# [21:35] <lycantrophe> I guess I better just throw it in here: has there been possible (in Thunderbird) to change protocol (POP vs. IMAP) after it has been initially set up?
# [21:35] <Ms2ger> Unlikely
# [21:35] <lycantrophe> rather: is there a specific reason for it not being possible now?
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# [21:36] <bwinton> lycantrophe: No, and yes, but you should ask in #maildev to find out why.
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# [21:37] <NeilAway> gavin: heh, 10 hours ago someone submitted pull request 1676
# [21:37] <lycantrophe> bwinton: alright, thanks, I'll try there
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# [21:37] <gavin> NeilAway: ugh, more fuel on the fire!
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# [21:38] <bdahl> NeilAway: when I changed to FUEL i wasn't aware it was a less preferred API
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> It's the most preferred
# [21:39] <bdahl> the wiki doesn't seem to mention anything about a better ways to do things on the FUEL pages
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> And the most leaky
# [21:39] <NeilAway> bdahl: yeah, you weren't to know that application.prefs leaks like a sieve
# [21:39] <bz> application.* leaks like a sieve
# [21:40] <NeilAway> bz: I doubt Application.restart() leaks
# [21:40] <bz> NeilAway: mmm... you sure?
# [21:40] <gavin> bdahl: I just commented at https://github.com/saebekassebil/pdf.js/commit/ce3baf32afd4938de2afdc1ea43078d8c9c8438b#commitcomment-1311945
# [21:40] <gavin> bdahl: but perhaps I should file a separate issue?
# [21:40] <bz> NeilAway: in any case, .prefs and .windows and .tabs and all the extension stuff
# [21:40] <bz> NeilAway: all leak
# [21:40] <bz> er
# [21:41] <bz> pdf.js uses FUEL?
# [21:41] <bz> or is gavin's comment unrelated to the discussion about FUEL?
# [21:41] <bdahl> pdf.js uses fuel
# [21:41] <gavin> yes
# [21:41] <gavin> so does testpilot
# [21:41] <gavin> need to fix that
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# [21:43] <bdahl> bz: like i said before, there should probably be something updated on the wiki to indicate a better way to do things, i would update it, but i'm not sure of the technical advantages/disadvantages
# [21:43] <bdahl> to someone who has never wrote an extension it looks like the preferred way
# [21:43] <NeilAway> bdahl: well, it was, once ;-)
# [21:43] <bz> yeah
# [21:44] <bz> I'm not blaming you
# [21:45] <bz> I'm just crying about us exposing broken APIs
# [21:45] <bdahl> :) i know, some other people were giving me flak about using FUEL too, but no one updates the wiki
# [21:45] <jimm> when doing a merge after a pull from mc onto a branch, is it normal to see weird stuff like this? -
# [21:45] <bz> Oh, no
# [21:45] <jimm> merging configure.in
# [21:45] <jimm> The system cannot find the path specified.
# [21:45] <jimm> merging configure.in failed!
# [21:45] <bz> the flak is for the people who _wrote_ FUEL
# [21:45] <bz> not the people who quite reasoanbly use it
# [21:45] <bz> as in, we need to fix FUEL
# [21:45] <bz> (or stop exposing it)
# [21:45] <jlebar|mac> Oh no.
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# [21:46] <jlebar|mac> We *really* need to fix it now...
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# [21:46] <bdahl> why is it called different things on every platform? is it really that different?
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> jlebar|mac, now we can rope in pdf.js guys to fix it!
# [21:46] <jlebar|mac> bz: I'm under the gun until end of week, but if I can, I'll find some time to finish up the patch.
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# [21:47] <Mook_as> bdahl: because it was originally designed for firefox, and its API is a giant mish-mash that includes things that (at the time) were inappropriate for things like thunderbird
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# [21:47] <Mook_as> tbird didn't used to have tabs, so all those things didn't make sense, so it had a fork without it
# [21:48] <bz> jlebar|mac: all good
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# [21:53] <cpearce> ehsan: pong
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# [21:54] <@ehsan> cpearce: can you please give me a summary of what bug 716107 does?
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# [21:54] <@ehsan> cpearce: or alternatively, post about it to the games-community list? :)
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# [21:56] <cpearce> ehsan: Enables key input in fulscreen. I'm going to blog about it once it's on nightlies.
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# [21:56] <@ehsan> cpearce: oh, cool, can you please point me to that blog post?
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# [21:56] <@ehsan> I wanna mention this on the games-community list
# [21:56] <@ehsan> and I don't wanna mislead people :)
# [21:56] <cpearce> ehsan: will do :)
# [21:56] <@ehsan> ty
# [21:57] <whimboo> ehsan: heyas. are you familar with ASLR?
# [21:57] <whimboo> ehsan: if yes could you check bug 753340?
# [21:57] * @ehsan looks
# [21:58] <@ehsan> whimboo: ok, not sure what your question is
# [21:58] <@ehsan> whimboo: seems like khuey is right on spot there :)
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# [22:09] <@ehsan> bbondy: do you know who in releng is responsible for deploying the new service package?
# [22:10] <bbondy> ehsan: yes, maybe bhearsum can do it sooner than nthomas?
# [22:10] <nthomas> first I heard of it
# [22:10] <@ehsan> bhearsum|buildduty: ping!
# [22:10] <bbondy> oh
# [22:11] <@ehsan> heh good thing I pinged bbondy then ;)
# [22:11] <bhearsum|buildduty> ehsan: in a meeting
# [22:11] <Ms2ger> for (PRint32 childIdx = 0;
# [22:11] <@ehsan> bhearsum|buildduty: ok, ping me when you're free please?
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# [22:11] <bhearsum|buildduty> ehsan: k, will be about an hour
# [22:12] <@ehsan> ok
# [22:12] <bbondy> bug 749956 btw nthomas
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# [22:13] <nthomas> ok. I'm in the same meeting as ben, so we'll get back to you
# [22:14] <bbondy> cool thx
# [22:14] <gkw> i'm just floating this out there: why not have Firefox 10.4 instead of 10.0.4?
# [22:14] <gkw> with rapid release, it doesn't seem like the middle number will be used....
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# [22:14] <Ms2ger> If you're going to discuss version numbers, I'll have to boot you
# [22:15] <gkw> i know version numbers are not relevant, but i was just wondering about the middle .0, similar to the days of 2.0.0.x or something
# [22:15] <gkw> and i can bring this discussion to some other channel if necessary
# [22:17] * @ehsan finishes up his proposal for exponential version numbers
# [22:17] * gkw notes that 10.0.20 might be clearer than 10.20 though, so just wondering
# [22:17] <bbondy> heh
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# [22:18] <bbondy> basically there are only 2 components of the version number that have any signifcance anymore, but there is no reason to change and changing could introduce several regressions. And the actual version numbers have absolutely no importance anymore.
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# [22:20] <gkw> bbondy: true
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# [22:23] <@bsmedberg> argh! If I run this test with check-one, it crashes with a sqlite assertion
# [22:23] <@bsmedberg> if I run it with check-interactive, there are test failures but no crash/assertion
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# [22:25] <Ms2ger> GAH
# [22:25] <whimboo> khuey: ping
# [22:26] <Ms2ger> Why are people adding UniversalXPConnect?
# [22:26] <froydnj> it's universal!
# [22:26] <jdm> destroy!
# [22:26] <khuey> whimboo: pong
# [22:26] <jhammel> Ms2ger: because GalacticXPConnect was too small?
# [22:26] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: a timing issue?
# [22:26] <whimboo> khuey: i thought we only mark those addons as not compatible by default for the new version of firefox and require the author to update the maxVersion information manually
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# [22:27] <froydnj> IntergalacticPlanetaryXPConnect
# [22:27] <Ms2ger> felipe--
# [22:27] <@bsmedberg> could be
# [22:27] <jhammel> froydnj++
# [22:27] <whimboo> khuey: i have never read about recompiling
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# [22:27] <whimboo> khuey: also we have been changed to ctypes just by end of last week
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# [22:28] <khuey> whimboo: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_5_for_developers#Changes_for_Mozilla_and_add-on_developers
# [22:28] <khuey> that hasn't changed
# [22:28] <@bsmedberg> has anyone here run xpcshell tests under valgrind?
# [22:28] <jwir3> when nightly crashes, is there any way to immediately access a stack trace/crash info?
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# [22:28] * @bsmedberg isn't sure of the correct magic incantation
# [22:28] <@bsmedberg> jwir3: did you get a crash reporter dialog?
# [22:28] <jwir3> bsmedberg: Yes
# [22:28] <@bsmedberg> jwir3 about:crashes should list it
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# [22:29] <@bsmedberg> and you can go from there to the crash-stats page for it
# [22:29] <jwir3> bsmedberg: Ok, thx
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# [22:30] <jwir3> bsmedberg: For some reason, I thought it took a day or two for the crash to show up in crash-stats
# [22:30] <@bsmedberg> jwir3: no. we have a pretty small (<1 hour) queue in general
# [22:30] <JonathanS> http://www.webmonkey.com/2012/05/new-proposal-could-end-the-css-prefix-madness/ madness?
# [22:31] <@bsmedberg> jwir3: but if you ask for a specific report, we prioritize it so it should be done next, normally within 30 seconds
# [22:31] <bbondy> usually shows up for me within 10 seconds
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# [22:31] <bbondy> ah
# [22:31] <jwir3> bsmedberg: Awesome. It's the crash I was looking for, too. This could be super helpful.
# [22:31] <jwir3> thanks a ton
# [22:31] <@bsmedberg> yw!
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# [22:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b54871d38ed1 - Philipp von Weitershausen - Bug 751783 - Allow sandbox reuse between execute_script calls, r=jgriffin, r=mdas, DONTBUILD because NPOTB,
# [22:32] <@bsmedberg> there's years of work to make it so painless for you ;-)
# [22:32] <jwir3> :)
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# [22:34] <Ms2ger> // This check is racy, but that's OK.
# [22:34] <gaston> JonathanS: hah, funny, i know the guy from opera who wrote the proposal
# [22:35] <JonathanS> gaston, he going to be glad to force W3C responses for it
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# [22:36] <whimboo> khuey: oh and this addon makes use of XPCOM? so it's nothing we can replicate by using ctypes to access the DLL?
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# [22:38] <Ms2ger> JonathanS, Florian's proposal has been discussed thoroughly in the WG already
# [22:38] <Ms2ger> And I'm sure they'll spend a lot of time on it during the f2f this week
# [22:38] <JonathanS> Ms2ger, I know both prefix and unprefixed
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# [22:39] <jwir3> is there somewhere where I can look up what each of the columns mean in a crash report's raw data (e.g. 0|0|libxul.so|nsFontInflationData::FindFontInflationDataFor|hg:hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central:layout/generic/nsFontInflationData.h:448f554f6acb|90|0x0)
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# [22:40] <jwir3> nvm.. actually it's pretty obvious now that I compare it to the front page'
# [22:42] <khuey> whimboo: the ASLR checking only applies to xpcom components
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# [22:43] <whimboo> khuey: ah k. so it's probably not helpful to have a test for Mozmill. would another test framework work here, were we could compile such a test DLL when building the tests?
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# [22:44] <khuey> whimboo: maybe
# [22:44] <khuey> whimboo: we compile a DLL to run an xpcshell test for the ASLR stuff now
# [22:44] <khuey> whimboo: if we could figure out exactly how the addon DLL is misformed, we might be able to replicate it
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# [22:44] <whimboo> khuey: was that implemented as part of this bug?
# [22:44] <whimboo> ah
# [22:44] <whimboo> k, i will try to figure that out with virgil
# [22:45] <whimboo> khuey: so shall I close this mozmill test bug then?
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# [22:45] <khuey> whimboo: there's a test in the patch for 728429
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# [22:45] <khuey> whimboo: and yes, I think so
# [22:45] <khuey> whimboo: if we can figure out what's actually wrong, we can make an xpcshell test
# [22:45] <khuey> if we can't, a mozmill test won't help
# [22:47] <whimboo> khuey: ++ the only way i can see it without manual recompiling would really be xpcshell then
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# [22:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d6b1898a8eb7 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 753013 reuse secondary emulators, r=mdas, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [22:48] <whimboo> khuey: thanks a lot
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# [23:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e6529138e338 - Olli Pettay - Bug 716014 Investigate if we could use CompartmentGC more often, r=billm+terrence
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# [23:16] <catlee> khuey: I don't think 'make -C objdir echo-variable-FOO' works for these
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# [23:17] <ejpbruel> NS_ASSERTION asserts if its condition is *not* true, right?
# [23:17] <catlee> e.g. it doesn't pick uip the VS2010 exports
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# [23:17] <khuey> ejpbruel: right
# [23:17] <ejpbruel> wow
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# [23:17] <khuey> if the condition is false, it is an error
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# [23:18] <gavin> you read it as "assert that something is true"
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# [23:18] <gavin> so MOZ_ASSERT(somethingIsTrue)
# [23:18] <ejpbruel> yeah, thats what i thought
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# [23:20] <bsmith> Can some VIM users tell me how to write a modeline for "tabs are 8 spaces, use tabs, but indent to four spaces", which I think this does for emacs: /* -*- Mode: C; tab-width: 8; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 4 -*- */
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# [23:23] <gavin> something like /* vim: set crazy=9000 et doingitwrong=1 tw=insane: */ perhaps?
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# [23:23] <gavin> (sorry, I couldn't resist)
# [23:23] <anant> lsblakk: ping
# [23:23] <bsmith> gavin: Yes, I know it is wrong, but that is what NSS does
# [23:23] <lsblakk> anant: pong
# [23:24] <anant> lsblakk: is pine a real twig? I can't find an entry for it on tbpl
# [23:24] <bsmith> and it is much easier to add the modelines to the source files then change the indention style
# [23:24] <gavin> bsmith: I figured :)
# [23:24] <Mook_as> /* vim: set ts=8 noet sw=4 : */ ?
# [23:24] <anant> we had it reset and I just pushed a commit, but I don't know where to look for test results
# [23:24] <lsblakk> anant: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Pine
# [23:25] <gavin> anant: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Pine wfm
# [23:25] <lsblakk> also i see it in the pulldown when it's not in the nav links
# [23:25] <catlee> ehsan: still failing in accessibility :\
# [23:25] <catlee> haven't tracked down that magic variable yet
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# [23:26] <@ehsan> catlee: hmm, can you please send me a new log?
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# [23:26] <anant> lsblakk, gavin: works for me now in Chrome but not Nightly :-O thanks!
# [23:27] <lsblakk> ha
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# [23:27] <gavin> oh, is that the "large merges cause JSON parser to barf" thing? :/
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# [23:27] <catlee> ehsan: http://people.mozilla.org/~catlee/text.gz built on http://hg.mozilla.org/users/catlee_mozilla.com/build-system/rev/83986b565fce
# [23:28] <@bz> is there any reason to prefer $(srcdir)/../../ etc to $(topsrcdir) in LOCAL_INCLUDES ?
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# [23:30] <bsmith> Thank you, Mook
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# [23:33] <catlee> khuey: is $PLATFORM used by us?
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# [23:34] <catlee> the environment variable
# [23:34] <khuey> catlee: not that I know of
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# [23:36] <jhford> is there a public channel for sevices?
# [23:37] <Mossop> #sync?
# [23:38] <Mossop> I guess it depends what kind of services
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# [23:52] <bdahl> bz: would it be preferred that pdf.js be registered as a nsIContentHandler or a nsIURIContentListener?
# [23:53] <bjacob> froydnj: nice bug number!
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# [23:55] <@smaug> froydnj: feel free to add Bug 715376 to my f/r queue
# [23:56] <@smaug> (review queue is more effective)
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