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# Session Start: Thu May 10 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:06] <gavin> bz: do you know generally how classinfo on nsGlobalWindow works? is it ever necessary to QI a JS window object to nsIDOMWindow? nsIDOMEventTarget?
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# [00:07] <khuey> gavin: windows are already QId to those interfaces
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# [00:08] <gavin> khuey: by virtue of having the appropriate classinfo?
# [00:08] <khuey> right
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# [00:08] <gavin> that's what I thought, but trying to figure out nsDOMClassinfo and friends seems like a nightmare
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# [00:09] <khuey> heh
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# [00:13] <@bz> gavin: It should never be necessary to QI any DOM object to interfaces listed in its classinfo
# [00:13] <@bz> gavin: because we flatten those on the object's prototype
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# [00:14] <gavin> yeah, I just wasn't clear what was listed in nsGlobalWindow's classinfo
# [00:14] <@bz> ah
# [00:15] <gavin> because of the previously-mentioned complexity of nsDOMClassinfo
# [00:15] <@bz> right
# [00:15] <@bz> "pretty much anything you might care about is flattened"
# [00:15] <@bz> certainly anything the web would use
# [00:15] <@bz> since the web doesn't QI
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# [00:15] <gavin> yeah
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# [00:17] <khuey> the web using QI would be amusing
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# [00:17] <@bz_dinner> for some values of "amusing"
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# [00:20] <dholbert> bz_dinner, when you get a chance: do you know what determines whether or not we bother passing in a "true" parent struct to nsRuleNode::ComputeXXXData ?
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# [00:21] <dholbert> bz_dinner, nevermind, looking at COMPUTE_START_RESET defn, which I think might answer my question
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# [00:22] <jwir3> Grrr. I'm trying to debug an intermittent crash and the browser crashed in my debug build (YESSS!), but then I realized it crashed in some cycle collector code, not where I need it to crash (AGH!)
# [00:23] <@smaug> jwir3: crash in CC?
# [00:23] <@smaug> stack trace?
# [00:23] <jwir3> smaug: Yes, just a second
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# [00:24] <khuey> jwir3: memory corruption ftw
# [00:24] <jwir3> smaug: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1628734
# [00:24] <jwir3> I was viewing a PDF in pdf.js
# [00:26] <@smaug> khuey is probably right
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# [00:29] <khuey> jwir3: 753283
# [00:29] <khuey> is pretty much the same thing
# [00:29] <jwir3> khuey: Thanks.
# [00:30] <@smaug> m-c has been a bit crashy lately
# [00:30] <jwir3> ah, nvm. it's a sg bug
# [00:30] <jwir3> heh
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# [00:36] <aeroevan> is anyone else hitting https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741348 I'm assuming it's a gcc 4.7 related issue
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# [00:38] <khuey> KWierso: go for it
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# [00:40] <darktrojan> what's up with planet?
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# [00:40] <gavin> there's a bug filed
# [00:41] <gavin> bug 753358
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# [00:41] <darktrojan> oh, that's why I didn't see it
# [00:41] <darktrojan> I only looked in the planet component
# [00:41] <darktrojan> gavinbot++
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# [00:53] <dholbert> bz_dinner, have some style-system questions for you, if you get a few minutes after dinner
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# [00:59] <jwir3> what's the name of the random site displayer that gerv posted a while ago for browser burn-in testing
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# [01:00] <dholbert> http://www.gerv.net/hacking/browser-buster/
# [01:00] <dholbert> jwir3, ^
# [01:00] <jwir3> dholbert: thx
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# [01:00] <jwir3> I really want it to crash on font inflation ;)
# [01:01] <Mook_as> there's also http://random.yahoo.com/bin/ryl (though you'd probably want a driver for it - I think I used a greasemonkey script when I used it a few years back)
# [01:02] <dholbert> Mook_as, I believe gerv's site is exactly that
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# [01:02] <dholbert> Mook_as, with a layer or two of indirection
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# [01:12] <gavin> khuey: did you tell anant not to put dom code in dom?
# [01:14] <khuey> gavin: not that I remember
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# [01:14] <anant> khuey: "no more files in dom/base/"! maybe dom/identity is okay though?
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# [01:15] <Bas> Anybody here know the code in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/SSE.cpp ?
# [01:15] <khuey> anant: yeah dom/somethingelse is fine
# [01:15] <Bas> I can't figure out how it's supposed to work on Mac.
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# [01:16] <anant> khuey, gavin: alright I'll move it over then
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# [01:18] <gcp> support.apple.com/kb/HT5271
# [01:19] <gcp> fuck yes! :)
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# [01:30] <philor> meanwhile, at the tip of inbound...
# [01:31] <RyanVM> heh
# [01:31] <RyanVM> i'm on it
# [01:31] <RyanVM> you'd think Yoric would know better by now :P
# [01:31] <philor> alas, poor...
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# [01:34] <philor> ugh, and Triage Tuesday fell on a Wednesday this week, and I haven't had aurora open all day
# [01:35] <philor> ah, good, only 30
# [01:35] <RyanVM> dammit
# [01:35] * RyanVM curses people pushing on red
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# [01:36] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ping
# [01:37] <philor> it's win64 red, we pay zero attention to win64 until next February when Asa says "damnit, don't you people ever listen to me? I said 11 months ago that we needed to be in shape to release on win64 by now!"
# [01:38] <Asa> c'mon. that's not fair :)
# [01:38] <Asa> it will have been 12 months, not eleven :P
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# [01:41] <philor> you probably should say it again, once a month, because by a few weeks ago the memory of the initial "damn, I guess we have to have win64 infra" had already faded to "we don't have to have win64 infra"
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# [01:45] <sid0> ugh, windows bustage on my machine
# [01:46] <sid0> seems like a path length thing
# [01:46] <jwir3> I wrote a javascript test harness that basically opens a tab once every five minutes using window.open. Is there a way to get this to be allowed by default? When I click "Allow popups for ", it doesn't do anything
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# [01:46] <gavin> what's the URL of the code that triggers the tab opening?
# [01:47] <gavin> is it a data: URI or something?
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# [01:47] <jwir3> gavin: It's a local file
# [01:47] <sid0> C:\Users\Sid\mozilla\tb-trunk-opt\mozilla\dom\imptests\webapps\WebStorage\tests\submissions\Infraware\iframe\..\..\..\..\..\..\..\..\..\..\comm-central\mozilla\dom\imptests\webapps\WebStorage\tests\submissions\Infraware\iframe\session_set_item_clear_iframe.html is 262 characters
# [01:47] <sid0> *just* over the limit
# [01:47] <gavin> jwir3: bug 204285
# [01:47] <gcp> We don't handle URL's with spaces.
# [01:48] <jwir3> gavin: ok, thx
# [01:48] <gcp> I realize they're probably completely illegal...but Apache and IE seem to manage :P
# [01:48] <dholbert> sid0, at leas it's c:\Users instead of c:\Documents and Settings\ nowadays :)
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# [01:49] <sid0> dholbert: heh
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# [01:50] <gcp> Opera handles them, too.
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# [01:51] <gavin> what do you mean by "We don't handle URL's with spaces"?
# [01:51] * njn cries at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750454#c31
# [01:52] <gavin> don't cry, it's quite easy to fix :)
# [01:52] <gcp> gavin: nevermind, it's another bug where we don't read some png's made by buggy libpng (but IE and Opera do)
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# [01:53] <jhammel> IE reads pngs these days?!? ;)
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# [01:56] <JonathanS> jhammel, IE7
# [01:56] * jhammel was jesting
# [01:56] <JonathanS> jesting?
# [01:56] * @bz_dinner wonders who to contact about a bug in the W3C's mailing list software
# [01:56] <cpearce> ehsan: http://blog.pearce.org.nz/2012/05/improved-key-input-in-fullscreen-mode.html I've syndicated to planet and posted to m.c.games, it should show up in both those places soon...
# [01:57] <cpearce> !seen ehsan
# [01:57] <firebot> ehsan was last seen 2 hours, 31 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying 'catlee: hmm, can you please send me a new log?' in #developers.
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# [01:57] <gcp> bug 283214 if anyone wonders
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# [02:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3b06e981ce0d - Kyle Huey - Bug 751941: Mobile repacks are busted. r=ted
# [02:01] <nthomas> cpearce: except planet isn't updating right now
# [02:01] <cpearce> nthomasl: yeah, I suspected that...
# [02:02] <khuey> aki: joduinn-brb: ^
# [02:02] <nthomas> bug 753358
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# [02:05] <philor> RyanVM: oops, there's another one for the backout pile
# [02:05] <RyanVM> yeah, not sure which one though
# [02:06] <RyanVM> maybe 282432?
# [02:07] <philor> maybe every single one of them that doesn't have a link to a try run in the bug?
# [02:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cb6759edb577 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 752216. (Gv1-FF) browser_popupNotification.js: Use locationbar to simplify test 19. r=gavin.
# [02:07] <khuey> ugh
# [02:07] <khuey> do we really not get correct assertion stacks on any platform?
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# [02:08] <philor> I get mine from ted
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# [02:10] <mccr8> Waldo: Facebook
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# [02:10] <@bz_dinner> what _is_ this ringmark thing?
# [02:10] <@bz_dinner> link?
# [02:11] <jhammel> http://developers.facebook.com/html5/blog/post/2012/02/27/announcing-ringmark--a-mobile-browser-test-suite/ is a link
# [02:11] <KWierso> http://rng.io/
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# [02:11] <mccr8> bug 748248 is related, Mozilla-wise.
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# [02:12] <@bz_dinner> ah
# [02:12] <@bz_dinner> mobile-only, ok
# [02:12] <Waldo> khuey: what do you mean?
# [02:12] <jhammel> i can already see bz_dinner not caring ;)
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# [02:12] <Waldo> bz_dinner: if you had the bugmail frobs set you'd see a bunch of stuff being touched to add deps
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# [02:13] <khuey> Waldo: not one of the logs on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=32ef96b47e38 has a useful stack, afaict
# [02:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e94c62e5ea1c - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 753181 - Interpret paths relative to cwd instead of Marionette, r=mdas, a=test-only, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [02:13] <Waldo> cpearce: nooooooo, everyone else was clearly obviously wrong to use "fullscreen" rather than "full-screen"!!!!!1!!cos(0)!!
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# [02:14] <cpearce> Indeed.
# [02:14] <philor> khuey: you say useless stack, I say mozilla::scache::PathifyURI is at fault for every single thing that goes wrong
# [02:15] <Waldo> okay, not stacks for the assert implementation I have to worry about :-)
# [02:15] <philor> then I wonder when we started doing the download symbols on demand thing, and whether that's when they went south
# [02:15] <Waldo> although, it probably affects mine too :-(
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# [02:17] <bbondy> ejpbruel: hi
# [02:18] <RyanVM> philor: I'll star the rest of my backouts
# [02:18] <ejpbruel> bbondy: hi! i just solved a heap corruption in my patch for the bmp encoder, but now im running into a different problem
# [02:18] <bbondy> ok
# [02:18] <ejpbruel> bbondy: for some reason my patch causes the test file to hang at the 12th test or so. i can attach a debugger to it, except its inside some kernel dll, so that doesnt do me any good
# [02:19] <ejpbruel> bbondy: im not really sure how to debug a problem like this
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# [02:19] <bbondy> what's in a kernel dll?
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# [02:20] <bbondy> so when it is hanging you want to attach a debugger to the process
# [02:20] <bbondy> and then pause it
# [02:20] <bbondy> and then look at the stack
# [02:20] <bbondy> the call stack
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# [02:20] <bbondy> look higher up in it if you see something from the kernel dll
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# [02:21] <ejpbruel> bbondy: yeah, i did all that. the problem is that its hanging in ntdll.dll, and if i go higher up, the top of the stack is *also* ntdll.dll
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# [02:22] <bbondy> ejpbruel: hrm ok, so you probably want to catch the problem just before it hangs then and then step through after that breakpoint line by line
# [02:22] <ejpbruel> bbondy: im not sure how to find that point
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# [02:23] <bbondy> well you can use a different reftest.list file that has only one test in it
# [02:23] <bbondy> find out which one is the one causingn the problem
# [02:24] <philor> RyanVM: yeah, I usually give up on racing you in the evening anyway, once I lose the first five or ten heats and realize I'm just too slow to ever win :)
# [02:24] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i know which test is causing the problem. the problem is that i have no idea what causes that test to hang.
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# [02:24] <bbondy> just throw a messagebox at the start of the encoder and then attach tot he process and set a breakpoint to after the message box. After you are attached click ok
# [02:24] <RyanVM> philor: :P
# [02:24] <RyanVM> (I'm only watching inbound, FWIW)
# [02:24] <bbondy> so I gave you steps to attach to the encoder at the start
# [02:24] <RyanVM> but also, I want to make sure that the backout actually fixes all the orange
# [02:24] <bbondy> and from there you can walk through the code
# [02:24] <bbondy> and see
# [02:24] <RyanVM> though the debug stacks are making me pretty confident about it
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# [02:25] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ok, lets see what i can do
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# [02:25] <bbondy> you can use DebugBreak http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms679297%28v=vs.85%29.aspx but it's probably easier just to throw up a MessageBox for you in this case MessageBoxA(NULL, "attach debugger now", "now", MB_OK);
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# [02:27] <ejpbruel> bbondy: right
# [02:27] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i used to know all this stuff but i havent worked on windows for ages :)
# [02:28] <bbondy> np
# [02:29] <philor> RyanVM: when you come around to those red talos runs, it's because of the "javascript error:" while opening mimeTypes.rdf, so I think you've already fixed it
# [02:29] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i kind of feel dumb that it takes me this much effort to make a simple change in a bmp encoder work :(
# [02:29] <RyanVM> yeah, it's the same not found errors
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# [02:30] <bbondy> ejpbruel: just think of how fast you could do the same change after you do this change, no reason to feel that way :)
# [02:30] <bbondy> or a similar change
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# [02:30] <jaws> bbondy, ejpbruel: could the hang also be coming from another thread outside of ntdll.dll?
# [02:31] <ejpbruel> jaws: i honestly have no idea
# [02:31] <ejpbruel> jaws: i dont see how changing the bmp encoder could cause that either
# [02:31] <ejpbruel> jaws: i had some heap corruptions earlier, that i could imagine, but this kind of baffles me
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# [02:32] <jaws> i mean maybe the heap corruption is in your patch, but the debugger is showing the main thread in ntdll.dll by default, but the heap corruption is occuring within another thread
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# [02:33] <ejpbruel> jaws: i no longer have the heap corruption, i fixed that. now i simply experience a hanging thread
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# [02:33] <jaws> oh ok
# [02:33] <ejpbruel> jaws: it should be possible to look at other threads with the VS debugger, right?
# [02:34] <jaws> yes
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# [02:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c7bb680df93b - John Ford - Bug 752873 - Part 1: generate Makefile include rather than manifests for Android Sync. r=rnewman
# [02:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/654ac86492e8 - John Ford - Bug 752873 - Part 2: use Android Sync Makefile include. r=khuey
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# [02:35] <ejpbruel> jaws: i figured it out just now
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# [02:35] <khuey> jhford: woo
# [02:35] <jaws> ejpbruel: ctrl+alt+h
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# [02:35] <jaws> or debug -> windows -> threads
# [02:35] <ejpbruel> jaws: the main thread seems to be in google_breakpad::ExceptionHandler::HandleException, does that tell you anything?
# [02:36] <jhford> khuey: :)
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# [02:40] <hub> why didn't I get a build error in 10.5 caught by tinderbox?
# [02:40] <hub> did we drop 10.5 support recently?
# [02:40] <hub> (MacOS)
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# [02:47] <ejpbruel> bbondy: jim: thanks, i think i got a lead to the problem :)
# [02:47] <ejpbruel> ehm
# [02:47] <ejpbruel> jaws: thanks :)
# [02:48] <ejpbruel> jim: not you ;)
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# [02:54] <jaws> ejpbruel: cool, that helped? sorry i didn't reply to your breakpad question
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# [02:58] <RyanVM> inbound tbpl = bleached
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# [03:04] <Callek> WOA for once there is TONS of red/purple/orange on inbound and its not related to android!
# [03:04] <JonathanS> Callek, purple?
# [03:04] <Callek> JonathanS: purple == infra exception
# [03:04] <JonathanS> ok
# [03:05] <Callek> (some stuff tehre is android, but the vast majority of the current coloring is not)
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# [03:11] <RyanVM> Callek: amazing how such a small patch can cause so much havoc
# [03:11] <Callek> ;-)
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# [03:31] <ejpbruel> argh! the bmp decoder uses a hardcoded buffer length!
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# [03:52] <ejpbruel> biesi: what i mean is that the bmp encoder contained a char mRawBuf[36] field
# [03:53] <gavin> why is that a problem?
# [03:53] <biesi> ejpbruel, as I recall, that's for the header
# [03:53] <joe> wow
# [03:53] <joe> just had a 12 second cc
# [03:53] <biesi> (which, of course, is of fixed size)
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# [03:53] <joe> which i think brought my fx session down from 1 GB to 750 MB
# [03:53] <ejpbruel> biesi: until you change the decoder to accomodate the new BITMAPV7HEADER, which is larger
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# [03:54] <ejpbruel> biesi: this is why you should use constants instead of magic numbers for these things :)
# [03:54] <biesi> ejpbruel, fair enough :)
# [03:54] <joe> i wonder whether i reviewed that code
# [03:54] <gavin> doens't seem to me like a constant would significantly help clarity there
# [03:55] <biesi> joe, way predates your time, I'm fairly sure
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# [03:55] <biesi> bmp decoder was my first patch
# [03:55] <joe> ah
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# [03:55] <ejpbruel> biesi: well, if its your first patch, i can forgive you i guess ;)
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# [03:56] <biesi> :)
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# [03:56] <ejpbruel> took me a while before i figured out why i was getting heap corruptions
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# [03:58] <{V}> gavin, or possibly a more descriptive name than RawBuf
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# [04:12] <darktrojan> how do I fix the mozilla::TimeStamp build errors?
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# [04:12] <nthomas> I thought that was fixed on inbound a couple of days ago
# [04:12] <Unfocused> ^ that
# [04:13] <darktrojan> hmm I wonder if it made it to m-c
# [04:13] <Unfocused> it did
# [04:13] <darktrojan> odd
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# [04:16] <darktrojan> didn't want that build any time soon anyway
# [04:16] <darktrojan> :/
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# [04:18] <Unfocused> maybe you should just submit your patch without running it. that's what all the cool kids seem to be doing these days
# [04:18] <darktrojan> heh
# [04:18] <KWierso> push to m-c, nobug
# [04:19] <darktrojan> that would get my access revoked, have you seen my patch?
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# [04:41] <@ted> khuey: we don't get good assertion stacks on windows (although i have a patch for that)
# [04:41] <@ted> and we don't get them on C++ tests
# [04:41] <@ted> (because we don't run them through the filter, i guess?)
# [04:42] <@ted> i would think they would have just worked, but maybe the binaries have been stripped by then
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# [04:54] <KWierso> so, if I have a test-only patch that I want to land on Aurora, for a testsuite that is hidden by default on tbpl, that only a few people probably care about, what would be the procedure for getting it landed?
# [04:56] <Mossop> mozilla-beta has 153 heads apparently :s
# [04:56] <KWierso> mozilla-hydra
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# [04:58] <Mossop> KWierso: You have to request mozilla-aurora approval, but you should be able to call it npotb and get it pretty easily
# [04:58] <KWierso> Mossop: thanks
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# [05:04] <felipe> is planet mozilla broken?
# [05:04] <KWierso> felipe: yes
# [05:04] <KWierso> bug 753358
# [05:05] <felipe> KWierso: thanks. was wondering if there were really no blog posts today, but that seemed quite unlikely..
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# [05:05] <KWierso> felipe: you can use this for now, I think: http://www.darktrojan.net/test/venus/
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# [05:14] <Mossop> Oh god, you mean there's going to be twice as much in my feedreader as normal tomorrow?
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# [05:19] <KWierso> Mossop: gotta make up for that 100% less in there today...
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# [05:27] <pranavrc> Hi
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# [05:27] <pranavrc> I have an error on build
# [05:27] <pranavrc> make[6]: Entering directory '/home/pranav/mozilla-central/obj-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/toolkit/xre'
# [05:27] <pranavrc> Makefile:251: *** Variable SOURCE_REPO does not contain a value. Stop.
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# [05:42] <@roc> your repository files are owned by another user
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# [05:42] <@roc> or hg showconfig failed for some other reason
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# [05:51] <pranavrc> roc, running hg showconfig manually works
# [05:52] <@roc> interesting
# [05:53] <@roc> well, that was my best guess. I had that error a couple of days ago because hg showconfig wasn't working
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# [05:54] <pranavrc> :(
# [05:54] <pranavrc> I've tried building as root, that doesn't work either
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# [05:56] <nthomas> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/default/toolkit/xre/Makefile.in#l247 is the code being run
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# [05:57] <pranavrc> yeah, I tried those commands manually
# [05:57] <nthomas> so I'm guessing 'hg showconfig paths.default' doesn't work
# [05:58] <pranavrc> hg --repository . showconfig paths.default 2>/dev/null returns http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central
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# [05:59] <nthomas> hmm, dunno then
# [05:59] <pranavrc> so does hg showconfig paths.default
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# [06:02] <nthomas> make debugging presumably, if you cd into /home/pranav/mozilla-central/obj-x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/toolkit/xre
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# [06:44] <philor> also, bless my rapidly failing memory, I managed to forget for a while that every single Android reftest run, every single Android crashtest run, and every single Android jsreftest run ends in a crash
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# [06:47] <jtcranmer> bah
# [06:47] <jtcranmer> wrong window
# [06:47] <@dolske> OR WAS IT
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# [07:06] <@roc> cadecairos: yo
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# [07:11] <cadecairos> hey roc, was gonna ask about the magical 21px I put in my patch for bug 517363
# [07:11] <cadecairos> but I think I found a solution that doesn't rely on the 8 pixels of default padding
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# [07:12] <cadecairos> though... it does have a magical 13px now.. rounding up from 12.5
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# [07:14] <cadecairos> but it should _always_ be that, according to the math
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# [07:15] <@roc> you could simplify things by setting body {margin:0} to get rid of the 8 pixels
# [07:16] <cadecairos> instead of using relative positioning on the <image>?
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# [07:18] <@roc> either works I guess
# [07:18] <cadecairos> either way I'm still left trying to position the reference image based on the scaled poster frame
# [07:18] <cadecairos> which in this case is 375px wide, centered in a 400px video
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# [07:27] <@roc> can't you choose different sizes to the math works out exactly without rounding?
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# [07:30] <cadecairos> yeah I can work something like that out
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# [07:39] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&onlyunstarred=1
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# [07:45] <KWierso> why not both?
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# [07:58] <cadecairos> roc: this works out to 9px without using any rounding: ((288−(250÷200)×216)÷2)
# [07:59] <@roc> cool
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# [08:07] <philor> these bastards and their tbplbot comments make it impossible to work on test failure bugs
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# [08:07] <philor> I just midaired me twice while trying to take a bug
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# [08:10] <cadecairos> roc: I've submitted an updated patch for 517363, when you have some time may I get a review? :)
# [08:11] <cadecairos> gotta be at cdot in the morning -.- better get to sleep *yawn*
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# [08:18] <gaston> khuey: around ? got this while building 13.0b2 : gmake[6]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidl.py', needed by `libs'. Stop.
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# [08:21] <philor> gaston: rm $srcdir/xpcom/idl-parser/*.pyc
# [08:21] <gaston> it's from a 13.0b2 source tarball which never saw a build
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# [08:22] <gaston> so there's no *.pyc file there
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# [08:22] <philor> interesting
# [08:23] <gaston> yeah :)
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# [08:23] <khuey> gaston: are you not using an objdir?
# [08:23] <gaston> well, the default it is when building from a tarball
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# [08:23] <khuey> gaston: 736961
# [08:23] <gaston> thanks
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# [08:24] <khuey> gaston: if you want to address my comments in comment 5 I'll r+ a fix
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# [08:24] <Mossop> We should just disable non-objdir builds
# [08:25] <khuey> I agree
# [08:25] <khuey> but not by making them fail in complicated ways
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# [08:25] <gaston> then change build-system to use one by default when building from tarballs :)
# [08:25] <Mossop> Sure, just make it default to creating an objdir if none is already chosen
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# [08:26] <khuey> Mossop: it does, just not for builds from tarballs
# [08:26] <khuey> tarballs are weird
# [08:26] <gaston> but distributors like to use them :p
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# [08:27] <philor> distributors are weird :P
# [08:28] <gaston> khuey: so from your comment 5 that'd be yet another global build variable ?
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# [08:29] <khuey> gaston: it doesn't have to be global
# [08:29] <khuey> gaston: but they do all need to be the same
# [08:30] <khuey> which they're not after that patch
# [08:30] <jphan> [11:22:16 PM] Marcos Santiago: I'm trying to run the xpcshell-based unit tests, but when i run make -C toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/ xpcshell-tests (im in my build directory), it give the error: "*** No rule to make target 'xpcshell-tests'. Stop
# [08:30] <jphan> sorry but thats a quesiton i jsut copied and paste it
# [08:30] <khuey> jphan: latest trunk?
# [08:30] <gaston> khuey: so changing all of them to be $(DEPTH)/xpcom/idl-parser/cache would be it ?
# [08:32] <khuey> gaston: yes, that would be fine
# [08:32] <gaston> but by the time what fix gets commited to trunk now gets to tarballs, non-objdir builds will be disabled :)
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# [08:32] <khuey> gaston: we have approvals and shit for this ;-)
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# [08:33] <jphan> i updated today but i havent built it since yesterday
# [08:33] <gaston> okidoki, easy fix then
# [08:33] <khuey> jphan: I think it's broken on trunk
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# [08:33] <jphan> i whould i fix this>
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# [08:34] <jphan> how would i fix this?**
# [08:34] <gaston> by the way, is there a way to set objdir from a configure arg, or just mkdir obj ; cd obj ; ../configure is totally equivalent to set objdir in env ?
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# [08:35] <khuey> gaston: you either have to use client.mk or use the cd objdir; ../configure approach
# [08:36] <gaston> but the latter works without setting MOZ_OBJDIR in env or such ?
# [08:36] <khuey> jphan: are you on windows, by chance?
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# [08:36] <jphan> yes
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# [08:54] <jphan> khuey: the changes to runxpcshelltests.py didn't seem to work. Am I supposed to build the changes before trying to run the xpcshell tests again?
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# [08:59] <gaston> grrrrreaaaat, m-c got broken again on openbsd due to GLContext.cpp change...
# [09:01] <glob> happy bmo update day! https://bugzil.la/752623,750913,729001,752400
# [09:02] <gaston> nooooes no TLS
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# [09:13] <nthomas|away> omg yay for bug 752400
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# [09:22] <@dolske> oh my yes
# [09:22] <@dolske> glob & co. ++ for the fast turnaround on that after Frédéric's snarky comment. :D
# [09:23] <glob> dolske, yeah, his comment didn't impress me
# [09:23] <glob> i honestly thought that had already been fixed in 4.2, and was putting time into getting bmo onto 4.2 instead of backporting
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# [09:23] <@dolske> 10 years and still no upstream fix!!1!
# [09:26] <glob> we do have the luxury on bmo to not have to worry about solving problems in a generic "keep everyone happy" way
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# [09:27] <@dolske> fair, that's why I'm not expecting the upstream fix for at least another 10 years.
# [09:27] <@dolske> oops, now _I_ am being snarky!
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# [09:28] <@dolske> ;)
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# [09:32] <jaws> is it possible for an external program to modify a Firefox preference while Firefox is running? do we have an API for this?
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# [09:38] <MarcosS2> does anyone know how to run xpc shell tests on windows? khuey said " I think it's broken on trunk", he told us to try http://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/1629463 but it didn't work (we're just students, don't know a lot about how to get it to work)
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# [09:39] <jphan> hey jdm
# [09:39] <jdm> hey there
# [09:39] <jphan> do u know anything about the xpc shell tests?
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# [09:40] <jdm> jphan: I know lots.
# [09:41] <MarcosS2> jdm: khuey said " I think it's broken on trunk" for xpc shell tests, we were trying to run the tests for some of our changes, but got "No rule to make target 'xpcshell-tests'. Stop
# [09:42] <jdm> MarcosS2: what's the exact command you're running?
# [09:42] <MarcosS2> make -C toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/ xpcshell-tests
# [09:43] <jdm> MarcosS2: is your current directly the objdir when you run that?
# [09:43] <jdm> s/directly/directory
# [09:44] <MarcosS2> oh, i was running the command from mozilla-central
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# [09:47] <MarcosS2> jdm: do you mean we're supposed to cd into our object directory (ex. obj-i686-pc-mingw32 for me), then run the make command?
# [09:48] <jdm> MarcosS2: either that or use make -C obj-i686-pc-mingw32/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/
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# [09:51] <MarcosS2> jdm: when we make changes to javascript code, do we have to build our changes before we run the xpc shell tests?
# [09:52] <jdm> MarcosS2: on windows in general, yes
# [09:52] <jdm> MarcosS2: however, you can confirm this by making some changes that you should be guaranteed to see, not building and then running the test
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# [09:56] <MarcosS2> jdm: okay thank you, im building now
# [09:56] <jdm> glad I could help
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# [10:02] <darktrojan> this looks much better in chrome (also we have way too many chrises (what is the plural of chris? (parenthesis))) http://i.imgur.com/EdRnu.png?1
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# [10:06] <gaston> meeh trying to fix 736961 and now i cant build anymore even after a clobber
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# [10:07] <darktrojan> heh
# [10:07] <darktrojan> hg revert?
# [10:07] <gaston> indeed xpidllex.py gets created under cache/
# [10:08] <gaston> and doesnt end up in xpcom/idl-parser
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# [10:14] <darktrojan> yes
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# [10:40] <NeilAway> glob: so, 752400 should prove popular
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# [10:44] <glob> darktrojan, yeah, i didn't notice his patch until just after the push :(
# [10:45] <glob> darktrojan, next week..
# [10:45] <darktrojan> what's 1 more week after 10 years? ;-)
# [10:46] <glob> heh
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# [10:53] <darktrojan> looks like a tophat
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# [11:04] <gaston> hrm, when doing 'make install' i get empty jsloader/resource/ & jssubloader/185/resource/ dirs
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# [11:05] <gaston> anyone knows wth this is, and its usefulness ? (i suppose i could just remove them)
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# [11:06] <gaston> ah there's 717616 for the first dir..
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# [11:14] <gaston> glandium: can you look at #717616
# [11:14] <@dbaron> edmorley, is it a known issue?
# [11:14] <gaston> glandium: it seems to be a consequence of your fix in 655678
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# [11:18] <edmorley> dbaron: no, but it's either a race (which whilst suboptimal at least isn't as bad as as hitting the limit again), or a post clobber bustage since that build was a periodic clobber. Have clobbered m-c and inbound win pgo builders and retriggered so we'll find out soon enough :-)
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# [11:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6fe7dd2f8f57 - L. David Baron - Null-check the right thing to fix topcrash. (Bug 752428) r=roc
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# [11:38] <whimboo> hi all. is there an observer notification when session restore is complete after reopening a closed window?
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# [11:44] <NeilAway> whimboo: there's probably a test for it, find out what it uses ;-)
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# [11:44] <glandium> gaston: the addition of jssubloader would come from there, but both are likely to have the same cause, which is not 655678
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# [11:45] <NeilAway> edmorley: http://chzsetphaserstolol.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/sci-fi-fantasy-be-our-sheriff-they-said-itll-be-fun-they-said.png
# [11:45] <glandium> NeilAway: if it's build config, you can also switch reviewer (hint: i'm a peer)
# [11:45] <NeilAway> glandium: no, but thanks anyway
# [11:45] <edmorley> NeilAway: ha :-)
# [11:46] <whimboo> NeilAway: very helpful answer :) i even don't know what I'm looking for
# [11:46] <glandium> NeilAway: anyways, he usually reviews at least once a week
# [11:46] <gaston> glandium: smth like rm -Rf jsloader jssubloader after zipping it in GENERATE_CACHE would fixit ?
# [11:47] <glandium> gaston: yes
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# [12:06] <NeilAway> whimboo: looks like you get SSWindowStateBusy and SSWindowStateReady
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# [12:08] <peterv> edmorley: any idea if the network issue on aurora android is known?
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# [12:10] <edmorley> peterv: I'll ask in #build, but I imagine it's already resolved itself by now :-)
# [12:10] <peterv> I could try checking in :-)
# [12:11] <edmorley> :-)
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# [13:34] <edmorley> Callek: :-)
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# [13:44] <darktrojan> :( new google groups has / wired to the search box
# [13:44] <Callek> darktrojan: ctrl+f
# [13:45] <darktrojan> but , but / :(
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# [13:46] <darktrojan> it's so convenient
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# [13:48] <glandium> darktrojan: we should have prefs to disallow overriding some shortcuts
# [13:49] <darktrojan> pref all the things
# [13:49] <glob|away> glandium++
# [13:49] <glob|away> i prefer / because it auto-hides
# [13:49] <darktrojan> yeah
# [13:49] <darktrojan> I like that
# [13:49] <darktrojan> mostly
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# [13:54] <zzzzz> even hidden you can search for the same term by pressing F3
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# [13:56] <darktrojan> yes, but it has a habit of disappearing milliseconds before I want to use it again
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# [14:10] <AryehGregor> hg pull --rebase doesn't handle mq patches that make no changes. It eats them. >:(
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# [14:10] <AryehGregor> Typical half-baked hg grumble grumble.
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# [14:22] <darktrojan> hmm
# [14:22] <darktrojan> just sent the AMO guys a pull request
# [14:22] <darktrojan> I feel like I should have (First Patch) back on my bugzilla account
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# [14:24] <darktrojan> also, open source FTW
# [14:25] <AryehGregor> How can I get an nsTypedSelection instead of an nsISelection, so that I can use sane methods that don't have horrible return-value conventions?
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# [14:27] <nigelb> darktrojan: wait, if you send a pull request, how can you have first patch.
# [14:28] <nigelb> Oh, mean, you should :)
# [14:28] <AryehGregor> Practically nothing outside nsSelection.cpp seems to reference nsTypedSelection. :(
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# [14:32] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: you have to wait for me to land a patch :/
# [14:32] <AryehGregor> tbsaunde, bug #?
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# [14:33] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: 693933
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# [14:34] <AryehGregor> \o/
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# [14:34] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: yeah, it should be nice :)
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# [14:35] <tbsaunde> hopefully I'll have time this weekend
# [14:35] <AryehGregor> Particularly nice for editor/, since we use selections so much and it makes it hard to use nsINode if we have to use nsISelection . . .
# [14:36] <AryehGregor> Why does it take time to land a patch? Push to try; if no failures, push to m-i.
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# [14:36] <gaston> hrm i've somewhat messed up an hg clone, nss/libs ,nss/cmd & security/dbm got removed when doing a clobber
# [14:36] <AryehGregor> (I could put it in my patch queue and use it, maybe, hmm . . .)
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# [14:36] <gaston> how do i reget them ?
# [14:36] <gaston> of course i have a bunch of patches in mq and icant qpop -a
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# [14:38] <gaston> and i'm afraid hg update --clean will drop my mq
# [14:38] <darktrojan> hg revert?
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# [14:39] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: mostly just working on school, and people keep asking me to review patches so I don't get to thinking about it
# [14:39] <AryehGregor> I'll just grab your patch for my queue and write my patches on top of it.
# [14:39] <AryehGregor> Works for me. :)
# [14:39] <gaston> darktrojan: i didnt commit anything after those dirs were removed
# [14:39] <darktrojan> gaston, so they should all be missing if you do hg status?
# [14:40] <gaston> yes taht's exactly it
# [14:40] <darktrojan> so revert will put them back
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# [14:41] <gaston> okay seems revert --all does the trick
# [14:41] <gaston> thanks
# [14:41] <darktrojan> np
# [14:43] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: you're not supposed to have empty changesets, that's a bug in mq :-P
# [14:43] <AryehGregor> NeilAway, empty changesets are useful for pushing to try.
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# [14:47] <gaston> i always have an empty 'try' changeset in my mq :)
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# [15:01] <AryehGregor> mak, easier to just modify an existing changeset.
# [15:02] <mak> depends on what you mean by easier, answering simple questions may be easier for most users than going to the trychooser page, setting checkboxes, getting the result, moving an empty changeset to the right position, pushing it, editing it, and pushing
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# [15:06] <AryehGregor> tbsaunde, should nsTypedSelection.h include nsRange.h?
# [15:06] <AryehGregor> Maybe others too . . .
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# [15:23] <AryehGregor> It compiles if I include nsRange.h myself, but I shouldn't have to, should I?
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# [15:26] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: sounds so
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# [15:28] <AryehGregor> Why does MOZ_ASSERT not automatically print a backtrace like NS_ASSERTION does?
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# [15:37] <whimboo> NeilAway: looks like this event is only fired when the last tab has been restored
# [15:37] <whimboo> i will probably ask paul about more details
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# [15:40] <Mavericks> i read this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/332030/when-should-static-cast-dynamic-cast-and-reinterpret-cast-be-used
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# [15:40] <Mavericks> especially section about reinterpet cast, and then i saw this
# [15:40] <Mavericks> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?string=nsCRT%3A%3Astrlen&case=1
# [15:41] <Mavericks> is it normal to have that many occurrences of it ?
# [15:41] <@ted> AryehGregor: i assume because MOZ_ASSERT is intended to be a fatal assertion, whereas NS_ASSERTION is not
# [15:41] <NeilAway> Mavericks: I only see two and they're both normal
# [15:41] <@ted> so in the former you can just get a stack out of your debugger or whatever
# [15:41] <@bz_sleep> AryehGregor: do you mean on our test boxes?
# [15:41] <@ted> whereas in the latter you get a stack and execution continues
# [15:42] * @bz_sleep notes that NS_ASSERTION doesn't print a stack by default
# [15:42] <NeilAway> whimboo: you said complete...
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# [15:42] <AryehGregor> ted, true, but why require the extra effort? This is especially true if you're running tests -- it's not so obvious how to attach a debugger in that case. I guess I could try running "make" under gdb . . .
# [15:42] <Mavericks> oh damn it, wrong link
# [15:42] <AryehGregor> Also, debuggers are slower.
# [15:42] <Mavericks> NeilAway: this one - http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?string=reinterpret_cast&case=1&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=comm-central
# [15:42] <AryehGregor> bz_sleep, I mean on localhost, of course. :)
# [15:42] <whimboo> NeilAway: well, but in this case it points to the last restored tab. Better would be to get this event for each restored tab and window itself
# [15:42] <AryehGregor> (I sure hope test boxes are printing stack traces for any crash!)
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# [15:44] <@ted> AryehGregor: yeah, they should
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# [15:44] <@ted> because they have breakpad enabled, so we get a minidump and then dump the stack from that
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# [15:44] <@bz_sleep> AryehGregor: yes, but in a test harness, right?
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# [15:44] <@bz_sleep> AryehGregor: we _could_ possibly make MOZ_ASSERT dump a stack when NS_ASSERTION would
# [15:44] <@bz_sleep> AryehGregor: file a bug?
# [15:45] <@ted> it's not unreasonable, certainly
# [15:45] <NeilAway> Mavericks: well, probably a lot of those are pointers that have been cast into a generic void* pointer, and you need to fish the original pointer out
# [15:46] <Mavericks> NeilAway: ic
# [15:46] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: looks like nobody felt the need to deCOMtaminate nsISelection before
# [15:47] <NeilAway> ted: so, when's your next reviewing day?
# [15:47] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ping
# [15:47] <AryehGregor> bz_sleep, ted: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753759
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# [15:48] <@ted> NeilAway: today!
# [15:48] <@ted> got clear of some other things i had on my plate
# [15:48] <Mavericks> NeilAway: came to knw through https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49647 that warning messages like http://mibpaste.com/8ssClU
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# [15:48] <Mavericks> so i'm happy :)
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# [15:49] <NeilAway> Mavericks: oh, well, that's libmime, best to pretend it doesn't exist :s
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# [15:49] <NeilAway> Mavericks: if you're not afraid of gore, talk to j(t)cranmer
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# [15:51] <Mavericks> NeilAway: oh didn't know. but still such a warning message's much needed ;)
# [15:51] <Mavericks> NeilAway: gore ?
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# [15:52] <AryehGregor> Why do we even use, e.g., dom::Element instead of nsGenericElement? What's the advantage?
# [15:52] <@ted> bsmedberg: ping
# [15:52] <@bz> AryehGregor: the fact that you can #include it without losing your sanity?
# [15:52] <@bz> AryehGregor: Well, and the fact that it's a lot easier to read as API goes
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# [15:53] <whimboo> NeilAway: k. got it fixed on my own
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# [15:55] <@bsmedberg> ted: pong
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# [15:56] <Mavericks> NeilAway:aah Core, np, will talk to jcranmer|away
# [15:56] <@ted> bsmedberg: oh, you're already in #breakpad
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# [16:00] <Callek> jrmuizel: fyi we're also working to get rid of many android specific purples so we have less failures and more success, reducing need to retry those jobs in the first place!
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# [16:00] <jrmuizel> Callek: great
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# [16:03] <Yoric> At the moment, does Canvas use a typedarray or a canvasarray?
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# [16:04] <khuey> gaston: hmm?
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# [16:06] <mfinkle> ted, did some goofing around last night:
# [16:06] <mfinkle> http://people.mozilla.com/~mfinkle/fennec/screenshots/tincan-home.png
# [16:06] <mfinkle> http://people.mozilla.com/~mfinkle/fennec/screenshots/tincan-channel.png
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# [16:07] <@ted> mfinkle: nice!
# [16:07] <mfinkle> ted, i think i am going to flip the insertions, so newer message are put at the top
# [16:07] <mfinkle> less panning that way
# [16:07] <@ted> that seems totally weird
# [16:07] <@ted> and not what i'd expect :)
# [16:08] <mfinkle> not for irc
# [16:08] <@ted> wait
# [16:08] <@ted> you mean when viewing a specific channel?
# [16:08] <mfinkle> but for all other web based streams add new to the top
# [16:08] <mfinkle> yeah, for viewing messages
# [16:09] <mfinkle> instead of "append" i will "prepend"
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# [16:10] <@ted> i think that's weird
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# [16:10] <@ted> but maybe that's just me!
# [16:10] <mfinkle> ted, i know
# [16:10] <@ted> can't you insert at the bottom and just make everything else scroll up?
# [16:10] <mfinkle> but i think i want to try it :)
# [16:10] <@ted> like every other irc client ever?
# [16:10] <mfinkle> yeah, i could do that
# [16:11] <mfinkle> also, i don't think i want the textbox always visible
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# [16:11] <mfinkle> following along with my "be more like twitter" experiment
# [16:11] <mfinkle> the textbox would appear after tapping a button in the toolbar
# [16:11] <mfinkle> the experiment could fail :)
# [16:11] <mfinkle> but i wanted to try it
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# [16:12] <@bsmedberg> sewardj: if my valgrind doesn't support --smc-check=all-non-file does that mean it's too old?
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# [16:13] <sewardj> bsmedberg: well .. not necessarily
# [16:13] <sewardj> bsmedberg: this is on linux?
# [16:13] <@ted> heh
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# [16:13] <@smaug> bsmedberg: do you happen to know something about webapprt
# [16:13] <@bsmedberg> sewardj: yes
# [16:13] <@ted> mfinkle: yeah, hiding the textbox (or making it really small) seems fine
# [16:13] <sewardj> bsmedberg: it does mean it will be slow
# [16:13] <@ted> more room to display messages
# [16:13] <mfinkle> right
# [16:13] <sewardj> s/slow/even slower
# [16:13] <@bsmedberg> sewardj: I just need "all" instead?
# [16:13] <sewardj> bsmedberg: yes
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# [16:17] <@smaug> bsmedberg: or actually... how do we prevent that plugin-container doesn't use any profile?
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# [16:19] <cers> if I'm passed an object which is the result of window.gBrowser.getBrowserForTab(tab) - is there any way to see if that tab is pinned or not?
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# [16:19] <@bz> wtf?
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# [16:22] <froydnj> sleeptwitterfollowing?
# [16:23] <@ted> mfinkle: anyway, don't mean to nitpick, that's really cool stuff
# [16:23] <@ted> mfinkle: did you push it up to github or anything?
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# [16:24] <cers> actually, having the window, is there any way to figure out if it's pinned or not? (with chrome privileges)
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# [16:29] <@bsmedberg> smaug: I don't understand the question
# [16:29] <@bsmedberg> smaug: plugin container doesn't use XPCOM
# [16:29] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ping
# [16:29] <@bsmedberg> so there isn't any notion of a profile
# [16:30] <bbondy> ejpbruel: pong
# [16:30] <ejpbruel> bbondy: the bmp encoder works now, but it looks like my patch broke the ico decoder. is the ico format able to work with BITMAPV7HEADERs?
# [16:30] <@smaug> bsmedberg: er, I mean the child process
# [16:31] <@smaug> whatever its name is
# [16:31] <bbondy> not sure
# [16:31] <@bsmedberg> smaug: which child?
# [16:31] <@bsmedberg> smaug: you mean a content process?
# [16:31] <bbondy> also please make sure we can decode the bmps thatwe encode
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# [16:31] <@smaug> bsmedberg: yes
# [16:32] <ejpbruel> bbondy: the decoder works too
# [16:32] <@smaug> it is plugin-container
# [16:32] <@bsmedberg> smaug: we just don't tell the content process where the profile is, so it can't use it
# [16:32] <@bsmedberg> and it doesn't get any of the XPCOM notifications for profile access
# [16:32] <ejpbruel> bbondy: it only uses the BMPINFOHEADER part of BITMAPV7HEADER, but it reads whatever header size is available
# [16:32] <bbondy> ejpbruel: have you tried viewing the bmp on xp by the way?
# [16:32] <@bsmedberg> except for some damn exception relating to dom storage or something, IIRC, which was a total hack that was supposed to be removed
# [16:32] <ejpbruel> bbondy: no, im on a windows 7 vm
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# [16:33] <ejpbruel> bbondy: but according to the wiki page on the bmp format, bitmapv7header is supported by win 98 and up
# [16:33] <bbondy> k we should verify that it works on winxp as well. Maybe just add an encoder option to specify in which format you want it in.
# [16:33] <bbondy> k
# [16:33] <@smaug> bsmedberg: ok. so the child process could use a profile if we just initialized something
# [16:33] <ejpbruel> bbondy: we might have to end up doing that anyway if ico files only support BMPINFOHEADER
# [16:33] <ejpbruel> thats why im asking :)
# [16:33] <@smaug> bsmedberg: I'm just investigating some webapprt things...
# [16:33] <@bsmedberg> smaug: well... by design is must not
# [16:34] <bbondy> ya I'm not sure maybe try to look on wotsit.org or on wikipedia
# [16:34] <bbondy> or maybe even msdn if you are lucky :)
# [16:34] <@smaug> bsmedberg: I mean, in case the content process is used for other things
# [16:34] <@bsmedberg> initializing a profile in a content process would be a bad design flaw
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# [16:34] <@bsmedberg> smaug: then it wouldn't be a content process any more, and we'd have to come up with a different name for it
# [16:34] <@smaug> well, sure
# [16:35] <@smaug> webapp-child
# [16:35] <@smaug> or somesuch
# [16:35] <@bsmedberg> what problem are you solving?
# [16:35] <@smaug> I'm not at all sure what I'm doing since I don't understand webapps
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# [16:35] <bbondy> ejpbruel: I would guess that it is supported but that you might need to update something in the ico encoder
# [16:35] <@smaug> bsmedberg: apprently FF should be notified when webapp populates appcache
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# [16:36] <@smaug> bsmedberg: I guess the webapp wouldn't be visible at that point
# [16:36] <ejpbruel> bbondy: yeah, although im not sure what. my guess was that the ico encoder would skip the info header or something, which has changed size, but it doesnt look like thats the problem
# [16:36] <@bsmedberg> why should it?
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# [16:36] <@smaug> bsmedberg: but I really don't know the details yet
# [16:36] <@smaug> bsmedberg: I guess so that it would launch faster
# [16:36] <@smaug> when first time used
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# [16:37] <khuey> dholbert: ping?
# [16:37] <bbondy> ejpbruel: Even if it's not supported on Windows our own encoder/decoder should support it, so if that's broken there's probably a bug somewhere
# [16:37] <@smaug> I really don't have the details
# [16:37] <ejpbruel> bbondy: thats a good point there
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# [16:39] <bbondy> I think we do some parsing of the bmp header in ico so that probably needs to be updated
# [16:39] <dholbert> khuey, pong
# [16:40] <khuey> dholbert: do you have a build machine that's available on the office network?
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# [16:41] <@ted> jhorak: GIO implements a whole replacement for the POSIX file APIs?
# [16:41] <dholbert> khuey, yup, in SF
# [16:41] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ill check it out. you are right. it should work.
# [16:41] <@ted> and people are actually expected to port things to that?
# [16:41] <@ted> that seems insane
# [16:41] <@smaug> mayhemer__: ping
# [16:42] <@ted> "take your portable code and rewrite it all using this less-portable set of APIs!"
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# [16:43] <jhorak> ted: I doubt it's 1:1, but unfortunately I'm not a GIO expert.
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# [16:43] <mayhemer__> smaug: pong
# [16:43] <@ted> just seems like a bad plan
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# [16:44] <@ted> considering the historical "everything is a file" tradition of unix
# [16:44] <@smaug> mayhemer__: hey, you're doing some appcache + webapps hacking?
# [16:44] <mayhemer__> smaug: mainly app cache
# [16:44] <froydnj> is there a GIO windows backend? then it makes some sense
# [16:45] <@ted> probably
# [16:45] <@ted> but still
# [16:45] <jhorak> ted: no longer with gio. They just wanted to use same functions to access to local and remote files.
# [16:45] <@smaug> mayhemer__: right. Do you happen to know the details how webapps should use appcache?
# [16:45] <@ted> who wants to make all their code depend on GTK
# [16:45] <@smaug> mayhemer__: like, at which point should the cache be populated
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# [16:45] <froydnj> better than the alternatives, I guess
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# [16:46] <mayhemer__> smaug: I am not sure I'm the right person to ask about this
# [16:46] <@ted> what, depending on widely-portable standardized POSIX APIs?
# [16:46] <@smaug> k
# [16:46] <jhorak> It's also assumed that developer are using glib functions to handle files. Then it is quite straightforward. But that's not the case of Firefox.
# [16:46] <@ted> right
# [16:46] <@ted> because we have lots of cross-platform code
# [16:46] <@ted> every framework wants to make that assumption :)
# [16:47] <jhorak> :)
# [16:47] <@ted> "oh you'll just write all your code using our great APIs and then everything will be perfect!"
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# [16:48] <jhorak> I don't know how to get out of this. I've been pushed to support gio in firefox for a year. It's gard to explain them that's not an easy job.
# [16:48] <froydnj> "no, I'd rather write it with my superior nsILocalFile API!"
# [16:48] <@ted> froydnj: point taken :)
# [16:48] <Ms2ger> There is no nsILocalFile
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# [16:50] <@bz> so a question
# [16:50] <@bz> what does gio actually return?
# [16:50] <@bz> would it make any sense to make it possible to get nsIURIs out of the filepicker instead of nsIFiles?
# [16:51] <@bz> (or in addition to)
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# [16:52] <khuey> bz: doesn't it already do that?
# [16:52] <@smaug> jhorak: ^
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# [16:52] <jhorak> and deal with in every filepicker caller to determine if gio remote location has been picked?
# [16:54] <vlad> /usr/bin/ld.bfd.real: libxul.so: hidden symbol `mozilla::TimeStamp::Startup()' isn't defined
# [16:54] <vlad> ^ that makes me sad, any ideas?
# [16:54] <vlad> just a normal linux m-c build
# [16:54] <vlad> well, --enable-debug --enable-optimize
# [16:54] <dholbert> vlad, hit that a few days ago. needed a clobber and a targeted patch from m-i (which I'm sure has merged to m-c by now)
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# [16:55] <vlad> hm, my m-c is a few days old, so maybe that's it
# [16:55] <vlad> I'll update
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# [16:55] <dholbert> vlad, cool -- clobber as well, and you should be good
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# [16:56] <@bz_away> jhorak: your current approach involves dealing in every filepicker caller too..
# [16:56] <@bsmedberg> aha! I found my string-patch error!
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# [16:56] <@bsmedberg> it only took two days and using valgrind: https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/ffd57b3c153b#l3.92
# [16:56] <AryehGregor> vlad, someone broke all Ubuntu builds, we know. It was fixed later.
# [16:56] <AryehGregor> >:(
# [16:56] <@bz_away> jhorak: if we just switched everything to URIs and gio did URIs... it would more or less work transparently, at least
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# [16:56] <vlad> dholbert: thanks :)
# [16:56] <@bz_away> khuey: not sure
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# [16:56] <@bsmedberg> yeah, using URIs seems roughly like the correct answer here
# [16:57] <@bz_away> khuey: if it does, that seems like the path of least resistance for GIO, short of shoehorning GIO into nsIFile
# [16:57] * @bsmedberg isn't sure how much spaghetti-tangle that would involve
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# [16:57] <jhorak> bz_away: yeah, by adding filterAllowURLs.
# [16:58] <@bz_away> anyway
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# [16:58] <jhorak> okay, I'll check filepicker returns uri approach.
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# [17:00] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'PGO failure resolved for now, but be gentle, we're still close to the PGO limit || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ || mozilla::TimeStamp errors: update your tree and clobber'
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# [17:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4b191063009c - Rob Campbell - Bug 751164 - Convert debugger.xul to XUL, remove HTML bits.; r=paul
# [17:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0de082f6039a - Rob Campbell - Bug 732452 - create a no scripts label for an empty scripts menu in the debugger; r=past
# [17:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c177975f33a6 - Blair McBride - Bug 746909 - Lazy load AddonRepository, and various other JS modules. r=dtownsend
# [17:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f80568dba010 - Rob Campbell - merge fx-team to m-c
# [17:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cf261bc52162 - Blair McBride - Bug 743967 - JavaScript Error: "bootstrap is not defined" {file: "resource://gre/modules/XPIProvider.jsm" line: 3523}. r=dtownsend
# [17:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/85c4026e625d - Angie Ngo - Bug 616440 - Detail view blocks scrolling with page-up, page-down, and arrow keys. r=Unfocused
# [17:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6d6e0475b348 - Rob Campbell - Bug 751164 - Convert debugger.xul to XUL, remove HTML bits.; r=past
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# [17:13] <Ms2ger> sid0, sorry about your build error :/
# [17:13] <gcp> who's the boss of Places?
# [17:15] <gcp> Owner: (Unowned - ask a SeaMonkey Browser owner or peer for review)
# [17:15] <gcp> oh my
# [17:15] <edmorley> gcp: mak, sdwilsh
# [17:15] <edmorley> iirc
# [17:16] <mak> gcp: seamonkey?
# [17:16] <gcp> edmorley: sounds more reasonable, cc'ed those
# [17:16] <mak> places is used by seamonkey, but it's just a piece of toolkit
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# [17:18] <romaxa> bsmedberg: ping
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# [17:19] <mak> gcp: bug #?
# [17:19] <NeilAway> froydnj++
# [17:19] <gcp> bug 753789
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# [17:24] <mounir> jlebar|mac: ping?
# [17:25] <jlebar|mac> mounir: ack?
# [17:25] <mounir> jlebar|mac: from BrowserElementChild, you only have access to the docshell, right?
# [17:25] <jlebar|mac> mounir: You don't have access to the docshell.
# [17:25] <jlebar|mac> mounir: In OOP, the docshell lives in the parent.
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# [17:26] <jlebar|mac> mounir: Actually, that doesn't make much sense.
# [17:26] <jlebar|mac> mounir: You're probably right.
# [17:26] <mounir> jlebar|mac: how can _init use |docShell| otherwise?
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# [17:26] <jlebar|mac> mounir: Yeah.
# [17:26] <jlebar|mac> mounir: Sorry, I just woke up. :)
# [17:27] <mounir> but the real question is that I don't have access to the window
# [17:27] <mounir> jlebar|mac: no worry :)
# [17:27] <jlebar|mac> mounir: You do have access to the window; it's the |content| variable.
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# [17:27] <mounir> oh good :)
# [17:28] <Ms2ger> "You've earned the "Populist" badge"
# [17:28] <espindola> do we have a thread save vector implementation?
# [17:28] <Ms2ger> Yay, thanks stackoverflow
# [17:28] <Ms2ger> espindola, Ha. Ha. Ha.
# [17:28] <espindola> or should I just use a mutex on the side?
# [17:29] <Ms2ger> (That was "no", btw)
# [17:29] <espindola> ok, just a mutex on the side then :-)
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# [17:31] <glandium> ted: where does one need to place the .dSYM directories on OSX for gdb to pick the symbols?
# [17:32] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, fwiw, EXTRA_TEST_ARGS='--debugger=gdb' make mochitest-plain, IIRC
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# [17:36] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, (unfortunately, the NS_ASSERTION dumping code relies pretty much on nspr, which we don't want to do for mfbt...)
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# [17:47] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [17:48] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: congrats on your first gold badge though I guess
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# [17:49] <Ms2ger> Oh, heh, thanks
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# [17:49] <jhammel> gold badge?
# [17:49] <Ms2ger> "Critic" is more suited to me
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# [17:50] * jhammel would have said "cynic" :P
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# [17:53] <Ms2ger> jhammel, no cynic badge :(
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# [17:54] <glandium> why kind of funky thing does dyld does on osx under gdb that it doesn't do when not under gdb?
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# [17:54] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: looks like I'm not going to qualify for that badge for some time, the best I can do on a non-accepted answer is 8 votes
# [17:54] <glandium> I'm getting "unknown required load command 0x80000022" errors I don't get outside of gdb
# [17:55] <glandium> and the host is 32-bits only, so it shouldn't even be about the 64-bits binary being loaded
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# [18:03] <@ted> glandium: i don't remember, but fetch-symbols.py knows
# [18:03] <@ted> probably "next to the binary"
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# [18:03] <@ted> http://hg.mozilla.org/users/jwatt_jwatt.org/fetch-symbols
# [18:04] <glandium> great, gdb can't even unwind as deep as breakpad does
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# [18:04] <@ted> heh
# [18:04] <@ted> breakpad tries pretty hard
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# [18:05] <KaiRo> nice to hear that breakpad is good at some things at least ;-)
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# [18:06] <glandium> yeah but breakpad is not a debugger
# [18:06] <froydnj> this is on mac? I can imagine gdb not trying very hard on a mac
# [18:06] <glandium> froydnj: yeah, on mac
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# [18:07] <glandium> arguably, it's an oldih gdb, maybe it got better? (but it's on 10.5, so...)
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# [18:07] <glandium> oldish
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# [18:07] <froydnj> dunno, there doesn't tend to be much done with gdb/mac development
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# [18:10] <glandium> is there another debugger in xcode?
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# [18:11] <glandium> apparently, there's also lldb on xcode 4, but on 10.5, i'm stuck with xcode 3
# [18:11] <froydnj> I think stuck is the operative word there
# [18:12] <glandium> screwed works well, too
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# [18:13] <glandium> sewardj: how hard does valgrind try unwinding on mac?
# [18:14] <sewardj> glandium: well, pretty hard .. it does Dwarf CFI unwinding
# [18:14] <sewardj> glandium: you got unwind problems?
# [18:14] <glandium> sewardj: in gdb, i do. so since valgrind is about my last chance, i do hope it does a better job
# [18:15] <glandium> supposedly, gdb would do dwarf cfi unwinding...
# [18:15] <sewardj> glandium: hmm, unlikely to be better than gdb
# [18:15] <sewardj> glandium: remember --dsymutil=yes for V
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# [18:16] <@ted> i think glandium already has .dSYMs
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# [18:17] <glandium> ted: indeed, i do
# [18:17] <sewardj> ted, glandium: just indiscriminately use that on mac. then it auto-runs dsymutil when it needs to
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# [18:17] <glandium> sewardj: why isn't it enabled by default, then?
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# [18:29] <sewardj> glandium: particularly as it modifies the filesystem
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# [18:50] <@bsmedberg> I'm getting this build error on mac-try: "OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '../../dist/bin/chrome/browser/content/browser'"
# [18:50] <@bsmedberg> does this sound familiar?
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# [18:51] <@ted> in the directory creation logic
# [18:51] <khuey> haven't we fixed 5 or 6 of those
# [18:51] <@ted> oh god i fixed so many
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# [18:51] <@ted> but apparently this one is original to the implementation
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# [18:52] <philor> the 10.7 buildslaves are too damn fast!
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# [19:07] <@smaug> mayhemer__: ping
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# [19:07] <mayhemer__> smaug:
# [19:07] <@smaug> mayhemer__: still about appcache
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# [19:08] <mayhemer__> smaug: yes?
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# [19:08] <@smaug> mayhemer__: trying to figure out how this all webapp+appcache should work
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# [19:08] <@smaug> mayhemer__: so, when installing webapp, FF could download the .appcache file and check which files are needed
# [19:08] <@smaug> mayhemer__: then it could store those in webapps appdir
# [19:09] <mayhemer__> smaug: I've talked about this already with some people
# [19:09] <@smaug> mayhemer__: then when webapp is first time loaded, it could read those files to appcache
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# [19:09] <@smaug> mayhemer__: yeah, this is all new to me
# [19:09] <mayhemer__> smaug: we can use the existing cache update mechanism to do the process
# [19:09] <mayhemer__> (the process of dowloading the files listed in the manifest)
# [19:10] <gavin> who here is a github pro?
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# [19:10] <mayhemer__> smaug: it's not that simple, so I'd like to avoid duplicating that code
# [19:10] <gavin> let's say I submitted a pull request, and then the response was "looks good, fix these things up"
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# [19:10] <gavin> what do I do? close that pull request and submit another one with the things fixed?
# [19:10] <gavin> is there a way to amend existing requests?
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# [19:11] <bdahl> yes, just fix your stuff re-commit and push to your origin
# [19:11] <bdahl> it will update the PR
# [19:11] <gavin> ok!
# [19:11] <mayhemer__> smaug: as I understand, it has been decided to run a process refering the web apps profile folder and do the process
# [19:11] <@smaug> mayhemer__: well, it is not simple either to have sane setup where webapprt downloads the files and sends progress updates to FF
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# [19:12] <mayhemer__> smaug: it's simpler then modifying the whole process
# [19:12] <@smaug> all I know is Bug 752705
# [19:12] <@smaug> and that it isn't even decided where to get the url for the .appcache
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# [19:12] <bdahl> gavin: if you're interested https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/wiki/Contributing :)
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# [19:13] <mayhemer__> smaug: why it should be that complicated?
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# [19:13] <@smaug> mayhemer__: what whole process?
# [19:13] <@smaug> just the map url to some file during the initial load
# [19:13] <@smaug> mayhemer__: I'm trying to figure out the simplest way to do this
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# [19:14] <@smaug> the approach where we need IPC for such a simple thing sounds complicated
# [19:14] <gavin> bdahl: thanks
# [19:14] <gavin> bdahl: I fixed the problems you pointed out
# [19:14] <mayhemer__> smaug: private
# [19:14] <gavin> bdahl: what happens if I want to fix another issue not related to this one in my fork? do I need to do it on another branch for it to not be merged into this PR?
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# [19:26] <bdahl> gavin: yes another branch is good
# [19:27] <bdahl> though this PR is pretty small so i don't mind if you want to sneak that in there
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# [19:27] <gavin> I don't actually have anything else to fix, I'm just wondering how it works in theory
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# [19:27] <gavin> I don't understand this development model, I'm used to something rather different :)
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# [19:35] <Ms2ger> gavin, s/different/saner/ ;)
# [19:36] <gavin> if mozilla was to start over and design a new develpoment workflow, I'm pretty sure it'd look more like github than bugzilla!
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# [19:36] <jhammel> heh, i hope not ;)
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# [19:50] <JonathanS> http://www.codesynthesis.com/~boris/blog/2012/05/08/gcc-built-with-cxx-compiler/ interesting
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# [19:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/27aadc2c9951 - Joel Maher - Bug 753822 - please upload a talos.zip to support tcheckerboard3 as well as talos updates. r=armenzg
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# [19:59] <Ms2ger> <philor> what's that polite way of saying "your patches bring tiresome pointlessness to unprecedented heights" again? I keep forgetting.
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> <sdwilsh> r-
# [19:59] <mrbkap> KaiRo: he's on it.
# [20:01] <Callek> crussell: ping?
# [20:01] <philor> that must have been a long time ago, if I was looking for the polite way to say something
# [20:01] <zzzzz> lol
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# [20:01] <Ms2ger> philor++
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# [20:03] <Ms2ger> Well, yes, 2008
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# [20:06] <froydnj> ++ to whoever added the "Referenced Bugs" bit in bugzilla mail
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# [20:07] <khuey> froydnj: yeah that's good stuff
# [20:08] <khuey> froydnj: I wonder if they got the edge cases right
# [20:08] <khuey> like not sending titles of security bugs in the clear
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# [20:08] <froydnj> make the changes, let filed bugs sort 'em out ;)
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# [20:11] <bdahl> gavin: it's really not that much different than ff's workflow. we do everything in feature branches on our own forks from master (this would be creating a mercurial patch queue), we then do pull requests(this would be uploading a patch to bugzilla)
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# [20:11] <bdahl> the big difference is we don't have a train of releases
# [20:12] <gavin> bdahl: I know, I just don't understand the specifics
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# [20:12] <gavin> takes some doing to get it ingrained into my head anywhere near as much as Bugzilla+hg etc.
# [20:12] <@smaug> where did benjamin go
# [20:12] <bdahl> gavin: :) i'm going through the reverse
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# [20:14] <gavin> bdahl: :)
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# [20:15] <bdahl> what i really like in our flow is our bot which can be called from the pull request issue for testing, linting, previews and then updates the issue with results. which i guess you can do with autoland
# [20:15] <gavin> yeah, getting there
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# [20:17] <bholley> KaiRo: I'm working on it
# [20:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0abed8c2714f - Dão Gottwald - Bug 752467 - disable leaky tests. r=zpao
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# [20:23] <KaiRo> bholley: I know, I just wanted to spread a ping again to people you pinged ;-)
# [20:23] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, ping
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# [20:23] <gavin> ehsan_xchat: pong
# [20:23] <bholley> KaiRo: ah
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# [20:23] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, when do you think you can review https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749187?
# [20:23] <bholley> KaiRo: hm, that ping might be outdated, let me see
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# [20:25] <Ms2ger> ehsan_xchat, NEVER AGAIN
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# [20:25] <Ms2ger> Before you fix all of editor
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# [20:25] <ehsan_xchat> Ms2ger, well, this is a branch blocker, and the editor is not!
# [20:26] <Ms2ger> Why not? :(
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# [20:28] <@smaug> oh, it is called "local directory" elsewhere
# [20:28] <gavin> ehsan_xchat: I already have, though I forgot to submit it
# [20:28] <gavin> ehsan_xchat: that fix seems kind of hacky, it seems like it would be cleaner to have that logic live in the window creation code
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# [20:29] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, hmm, which window creation code? xul:window? or platform windows?
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# [20:33] <gavin> ehsan_xchat: platform
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# [20:34] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, well, the reason I'm asking this is that we only want this type of behavior for browser windows, which means checking the windowtype attribute in a bunch of places, which is... unfortunate
# [20:34] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, also, this only makes sense for global PB mode, which is the reason I coded it up in the PB service itself
# [20:35] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, gives us one fewer thing to worry about for per-window PB...
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# [20:35] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, but if you really want this outside of the PB service, I guess I can file a follow-up to backout that patch when we switch to per-window PB...
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# [20:36] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, but it would be great if you can document your thoughts in the bug, so that I know how to proceed
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# [20:38] <gavin> ehsan_xchat: yes, I am going to do that anyways
# [20:38] <ehsan_xchat> cool
# [20:38] <gavin> ehsan_xchat: but I don't see why this needs to be limited to browser windows
# [20:38] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, because that flag won't have any sane effect on other types of windows
# [20:39] <gavin> why not?
# [20:39] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, it is only needed for browser windows
# [20:39] <gavin> other windows might want to obey private browsing state
# [20:39] <ehsan_xchat> no, why would they?
# [20:39] <gavin> the open location dialog doesn't want to save URL history in PB mode
# [20:40] <gavin> Thunderbird's compose window doesn'tw ant to save email address in private-compose mode
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# [20:40] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, Thunderbird doesn't support PB mode at all for now, and the open location dialog should look at the PB state of its opener window
# [20:40] <gavin> I know that
# [20:40] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, note that I'm thinking in terms of per-window PB mode
# [20:40] <gavin> but conceptually neither of those things are crazy
# [20:40] <ehsan_xchat> which is where this flag is really needed
# [20:41] <ehsan_xchat> nope, they're just outside of the scope for the current project
# [20:41] <ehsan_xchat> and a lot of other things may not work correctly to make tb support PB mode, I guess
# [20:41] <gavin> of course we're only talking per-window PB mode, that's what this entire bug is about...
# [20:41] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, no, this bug is about global PB mode
# [20:42] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, everything is fine with per-window PB flag
# [20:42] <ehsan_xchat> i.e., if you set it on a window, it will be preserved
# [20:42] <ehsan_xchat> this is about opening new windows while you're in global PB mode
# [20:42] <gavin> it will be preserved in windows opened from that window?
# [20:43] <ehsan_xchat> no, not yet, but that's not what this bug is about at all
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# [20:43] <ehsan_xchat> and that requires a different kind of fix altogether
# [20:43] <gavin> well, not really
# [20:44] <@smaug> !seen sicking
# [20:44] <@killer> I don't know who sicking is.
# [20:44] <gavin> if you fix it the way I suggest you do, it fixes both cases
# [20:44] <firebot> sicking was last seen 5 days, 18 hours, 59 minutes and a couple of seconds ago, saying 'gwagner: ping' in #content.
# [20:44] <khuey> smaug: he's at the b2g work week in san diego
# [20:44] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, no, because there is no "global flag" to check for when re get rid of the existing PB service
# [20:44] <@smaug> khuey: and is that a reason to not be on IRC o_O
# [20:44] <gavin> ehsan_xchat: you don't check the "global flag", you check the opener or opening code
# [20:44] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, whether or not the flag should be set on the window will depend on how it is opened
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# [20:45] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, which makes platform a very unsuitable to do this
# [20:45] <@smaug> !seen bent
# [20:45] <@killer> I don't know who bent is.
# [20:45] <firebot> bent was last seen 22 hours, 24 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying 'thanks' in #content.
# [20:45] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, there isn't an opener necessarily
# [20:45] <gavin> that's why I said "opening code"
# [20:46] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, there are tons of ways to open a window, should we try to chase them all?
# [20:46] <gavin> you can check the PB-ness of the opening JS, or if there is none, assume non-PBB
# [20:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/02e465c5b1b8 - Malini Das - Bug 753168 follow-up: if GECKO_OBJDIR is not set, create venv in MARIONETTE_HOME. r=philikon DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [20:46] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, that would be the wrong assumption
# [20:46] <gavin> it doesn't really matter once there is no global PB state
# [20:46] <vlad> johnath: so here's a fun data point
# [20:46] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, currently, *if* the global flag is set, we want the docshell flag to be set for *all* browser windows
# [20:47] <ehsan_xchat> no matter how they were opened
# [20:47] <vlad> johnath: clean build of js/src in my VM, 10 minutes. clean build using my VM's cpu plus 20 processes on an ec2 large cpu instance, 5 minutes.
# [20:47] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, if there was no global PB state, this bug would be invalid :)
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# [20:47] <gavin> ehsan_xchat: yes, I understand the current problem
# [20:47] <khuey> smaug: bent is in the same place
# [20:47] <ehsan_xchat> gavin, ok, so I don't see why we're discussing problems that do not exist ;)
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# [20:54] <pcwalton> bz: in inline layout, do we generally have to lay out all kids first to determine possible linebreak positions?
# [20:55] <pcwalton> we need to know their widths, I assume
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# [20:55] <@smaug> bsmedberg: ping
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# [20:56] <@smaug> bsmedberg: there is perhaps another, non-IPC solution for this webapps thing. But now I need to figure out how to create a profile folder
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# [21:01] <tanvi> is there anyway I can put a link in a tooltip?
# [21:02] <@bz> pcwalton: to determine possible line break positions, no
# [21:03] <tanvi> nevermind; i have to use onmouseover isntead
# [21:03] <@smaug> how does one create a profile using command line?
# [21:03] <pcwalton> bz: how do I determine line break positions then?
# [21:03] <@bz> pcwalton: there's a separate pass before actual layout that can collect that information
# [21:03] <pcwalton> oh, interesting
# [21:03] <@bz> pcwalton: for potential breaks
# [21:03] <cadecairos> I need android tablets for testing stuff on Firefox mobile, any suggestions on models I should look at?
# [21:03] <@bz> pcwalton: for where the breaks _really_ end up, of course, you have to do it the hard way
# [21:03] <cadecairos> or where I can go to ask
# [21:04] <@bz> pcwalton: lemme get you some file+lines
# [21:04] <gavin> smaug: what do you mean by "create a profile"?
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# [21:04] <@bz> pcwalton: see nsInlineFrame::GetInlineMinWidth, say
# [21:04] <gavin> you can't create a named profile using the command line, but you can use -profile /path/to/empty/folder
# [21:04] <@smaug> gavin: there is -createprofile but it creates a new profile in some strange place
# [21:04] <@smaug> ahaa
# [21:05] <@bz> er, AddInlineMinWidth
# [21:05] <gavin> oh, I forgot about createProfile
# [21:05] <pcwalton> ah, I see
# [21:05] <@bz> pcwalton: and in particular, textruns cache their linebreak info
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# [21:06] <@bz> pcwalton: and except for text, potential linebreak positions are "everywhere"
# [21:06] <@bz> pcwalton: e.g. if you have <img><img>
# [21:06] <jlebar|mac> bholley: ping on bug 752803?
# [21:06] <@bz> pcwalton: you can break between them
# [21:06] <pcwalton> right
# [21:06] <pcwalton> but you have to know how big the image is
# [21:06] <pcwalton> how wide it is, anyway
# [21:06] <@bz> to decide whether you really will break, yes
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# [21:07] <@bz> maybe I misunderstood what you mean by "possible linebreak positions"?
# [21:07] <mfinkle> cadecairos, any cool new tablet would be fine
# [21:07] <bholley> jlebar|mac: what about it?
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# [21:07] <bholley> jlebar|mac: sorry, I didn't mean that as snarky as it sounded
# [21:07] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Do you have any idea why it might be happening? Is it actually a bug?
# [21:07] <pcwalton> just whatever you meant by "possible linebreak positions" in your algorithm pseudocode :)
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# [21:08] <jlebar|mac> bholley: no, np.
# [21:08] <pcwalton> on your email to dev-servo on 2/23
# [21:08] <@bz> pcwalton: oh. Let me look that up!
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# [21:09] <@bz> ah
# [21:09] <bholley> jlebar|mac: is this web-console-specific?
# [21:09] <@bz> yeah, that's just a matter of doing the textrun stuff
# [21:09] <bholley> jlebar|mac: or do you get it in the error console too?
# [21:09] <@bz> the point being that at any point you can figure out "what's the next place we might be able to break?"
# [21:09] <jlebar|mac> bholley: I'll see if I get the error in the error console…I presume so!
# [21:09] <bholley> jlebar|mac: because we do all sorts of fun stuff in this area for the web console these days
# [21:09] <@bz> and then you can ask "how wide is the stuff between here and that place?"
# [21:09] <jlebar|mac> bholley: I'm not running any code via the web console.
# [21:09] <gavin> bdahl: what's the schedule for the next pdf.js->mozilla-central merge?
# [21:09] <bholley> jlebar|mac: oh, then you're fine
# [21:09] <@bz> that last part involves laying said stuff out
# [21:09] <jlebar|mac> bholley: All the code runs in the page; the web console is just to show the error.
# [21:10] <pcwalton> ok
# [21:10] <bholley> jlebar|mac: I see
# [21:10] <bholley> jlebar|mac: let me look at the testcase
# [21:10] <jlebar|mac> bholley: thanks.
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# [21:11] <bholley> jlebar|mac: so
# [21:11] <bdahl> gavin: there's a patch right now to update it (still needs review) and we'll be doing another before the next uplift to hopefully address all the uplift criteria
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# [21:11] <bholley> jlebar|mac: history.pushState is a DOM method
# [21:11] <bholley> jlebar|mac: it lives on the proto
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# [21:12] <bholley> jlebar|mac: of history
# [21:12] <jlebar|mac> Okay...
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# [21:12] <gavin> bdahl: cool. thanks for merging the fuel fix
# [21:13] <bdahl> np, thx for the fix
# [21:13] <bholley> jlebar|mac: and you're redefining it on |history| itself as an attribute
# [21:14] <jlebar|mac> right.
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# [21:14] <bholley> jlebar|mac: is there a reason for this?
# [21:14] <bholley> jlebar|mac: or are you just curious now?
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# [21:14] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Well…there are two questions here.
# [21:14] <bholley> jlebar|mac: basically, I think the issue is that the this-binding for oldPushState is wrong
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# [21:15] <jlebar|mac> bholley: One is, what's the right way to do this? It seems that the right way is to Object.defineProperty on the prototype?
# [21:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d37d4edce6dd - Michael Wu - Update NSPR to NSPR_4_9_1_BETA1 tag, a=ted
# [21:15] <bholley> jlebar|mac: no, don't mess with the prototype
# [21:15] <jlebar|mac> bholley: On history.prototype, or history.__proto__?
# [21:15] <bholley> jlebar|mac: the properties are permanent
# [21:15] <bholley> jlebar|mac: I think
# [21:15] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Okay, so what's the right way is the first question.
# [21:15] <bholley> jlebar|mac: or maybe they're not
# [21:15] <jlebar|mac> bholley: And the second question is, why does this behave as it is?
# [21:15] <jlebar|mac> (or as it does.)
# [21:16] <Mossop> ehsan_xchat: Do you know what the status of per-window private browsing is?
# [21:16] <bholley> jlebar|mac: so, in your testcase
# [21:16] <@ehsan> Mossop: yes, under development :)
# [21:16] <bholley> jlebar|mac: try replacing |oldPushState| with |history.oldPushState|
# [21:16] <@ehsan> Mossop: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=pbngen
# [21:16] <Mossop> ehsan: Any idea when it might be landing?
# [21:16] <bholley> jlebar|mac: this will test my theory for your second question
# [21:16] <jlebar|mac> Oh, the this binding. I should do oldPushState = history.pushState.bind(history), right?
# [21:17] <@ehsan> Mossop: we're landing bits and pieces as they are finished
# [21:17] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Or oldPushState.apply(history)?
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# [21:17] <@ehsan> Mossop: nobody works on this as part of their paid job though
# [21:17] <Mossop> ehsan: We have a bug on making the jetpack APIs work with it, I'm trying to figure out what sort of importance to place on it
# [21:17] <bholley> jlebar|mac: yes, that's one way
# [21:17] <@ehsan> so progress is very slow
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# [21:17] <@ehsan> Mossop: my guess is that the platform pieces will be done in a couple of months tops
# [21:17] <bholley> jlebar|mac: (sorry, my previous suggestion of |history.oldPushState| is totally bogus for obvious reasons)
# [21:17] <MarcoZ> mfinkle: et al: Frequently asked question probably, but do I need to do anything to resolve the fact that my nightly isn't updating from the 9th of May to the 10th?
# [21:17] <bholley> jlebar|mac: but yes, you need a |this| binding
# [21:17] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Aha, that works!
# [21:17] <MarcoZ> The download location seems to have changed.
# [21:18] <Mossop> ehsan: Ok that's useful, thanks
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# [21:18] <bholley> jlebar|mac: however, I'm confused as to why you made this a property
# [21:18] <bholley> jlebar|mac: and not a method
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# [21:18] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Because I don't know how to do things properly.
# [21:18] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Is there Object.defineMethod?
# [21:18] <bholley> jlebar|mac: history.pushState = function(obj, title, url) {...}
# [21:18] <bholley> jlebar|mac: why do you need Object.defineAnything?
# [21:19] <bholley> jlebar|mac: it's useful when you want to define getters, but you don't need a getter here
# [21:19] <jlebar|mac> I see.
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# [21:20] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Okay, that works too.
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# [21:20] <jlebar|mac> bholley: But still, this behavior when I leave off bind() is pretty weird.
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# [21:20] <bholley> jlebar|mac: aside from the time-dependence, I don't think so
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# [21:20] <bholley> jlebar|mac: you're invoking a native DOM method on...nothing
# [21:20] <jlebar|mac> bholley: The fact that it returns an error isn't weird, I agree.
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# [21:21] <jlebar|mac> bholley: But then why does it ever work?
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# [21:21] <bholley> jlebar|mac: shrug
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# [21:21] <jlebar|mac> bholley: Okay. You solved my problem, which is mainly what I wanted. Thanks. :)
# [21:22] <bholley> jlebar|mac: :-)
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# [21:34] <philor> I was going to say that advising the slave to check http://get.webgl.org/troubleshooting wasn't a good idea, but really, self-diagnosing and self-fixing slaves would be sort of nice
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# [21:39] <NeilAway> smaug: -createProfile is weird :-(
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# [21:40] <@smaug> NeilAway: it is
# [21:40] * NeilAway wonders whether github normally addresses review comments in a separate commit or whether he overlooked something
# [21:41] <NeilAway> smaug: blame mscott :-(
# [21:42] * NeilAway wonders why pdf.js uses var ioService = Services.io
# [21:42] * @smaug needs to figure out how to create new profiles for app 'foo'
# [21:42] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, it's shorter
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# [21:43] <glandium> NeilAway: to avoid a lookup each time it's used?
# [21:43] <mwu> anyone mind if I clobber the b2g builds on m-i?
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# [21:43] <gavin> glandium: "lookups" are just property accesses, it's trivial
# [21:43] <gavin> NeilAway: I went through that earlier, apparently yes, you just commit again addressing the comments and the PR is updated automatically
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# [21:44] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: not if you account for the saving from removing the line
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# [21:44] <mwu> hm actually I think I'm just gonna kick them if they go red
# [21:44] <NeilAway> gavin: well, in the history, it looks like two separate pulls
# [21:44] <@bz> 272 out of 273 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file layout/style/nsCSSPropList.h.rej
# [21:44] <@bz> awesome
# [21:45] <Ms2ger> Ouch.
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# [21:45] <NeilAway> bz: ooh, which one took?
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# [21:45] <@bz> Ms2ger: well, I'd already landed the patch
# [21:45] <@bz> NeilAway: I have no idea. ;)
# [21:45] <@bz> NeilAway: lemme look it up
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# [21:47] <NeilAway> also this github history is full of "merge pull request" which is somewhat unhelpful
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# [21:52] <hub> congrats to Asa for being fireballed
# [21:53] <@bz> NeilAway: a comment addition
# [21:53] <@bz> NeilAway: it "succeeded" by adding the comment twice. ;)
# [21:53] <NeilAway> bz: heh
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# [21:56] <margaret> jlebar|mac: ping?
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# [22:00] <Ms2ger> "Purify target. Solaris/sparc only to start."
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# [22:01] <@ted> nice
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# [22:07] <JonathanS> I hope Solaris is not vampire.
# [22:08] <Mossop> Oh, planet just started working again didn't it
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# [22:09] <@bz> holy cow
# [22:09] <@bz> so it has
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# [22:11] <jesup> bz: impressive merge results
# [22:12] <@ehsan> gavin: ping for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722868 :)
# [22:12] <@bz> jesup: applying a patch on top of itself often does that!
# [22:12] <jesup> JonathanS: I don't think Solaris will rise from the grave.... :-)
# [22:13] <Ms2ger> Zing
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# [22:15] <jlebar|mac> margaret: Hey, is it about that f?
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# [22:16] <margaret> jlebar|mac: yeah, i'm in a meeting right now though
# [22:16] <margaret> i was talking to zpao about it in fx-team earlier, too
# [22:16] <jlebar|mac> margaret: Okay, ping me after? I don't have scrollback for fx-team.
# [22:16] <margaret> jlebar|mac: ok
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# [22:22] <juanb> dholbert: who can i ask about this SVG issue? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/926857
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# [22:22] <NeilAway> bah, I pushed the NSPR update to try, no wonder it took ages
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# [22:22] <dholbert> juanb, we did remove svg.enabled & svg.smil.enabled prefs
# [22:23] <jviereck> what's the 'extend' about in the gfxPattern?
# [22:23] <dholbert> juanb, in part because we use SVG in the UI now, so it's not sensible to completely disable it
# [22:23] <khuey> gaston: ping?
# [22:23] <juanb> dholbert: ahh
# [22:23] <gaston> khuey: yes?
# [22:24] <khuey> gaston: do you need to explicitly create $(DEPTH)/xpcom/idl-parser/cache somewhere?
# [22:24] <khuey> gaston: or does the parser handle that?
# [22:24] <gaston> i did nothing for it and cache was created
# [22:24] <juanb> dholbert: there's not going to be an easy fix/work-around for this, is there?
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# [22:24] <khuey> gaston: ah yes, there's an os.mkdir in header.py
# [22:24] <dholbert> juanb, O
# [22:24] <dholbert> juanb, *I'm not sure
# [22:25] <dholbert> juanb, ah, looking at the second response, Adobe doesn't support their plugin anymore anyway
# [22:26] <gaston> how come hg status doesnt tell me about *.pyc files and other cache dirs in src tree ? i don't see them listed in .hgignore
# [22:26] <dholbert> juanb, so I think it's hypothetically possible that it _could_ work, if the plugin and Firefox were coded just right to allow an external plugin to register for handling SVG mimetypes (like PDF plugins register for handling PDF)... but I suspect the plugin might fight with us over who gets to handle SVG in our UI etc
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# [22:26] <gaston> hah, .pyc is indeed in .hgignore
# [22:26] <khuey> gaston: look harder
# [22:27] <gaston> but nothing seems to match 'cache'
# [22:27] <juanb> dholbert: thanks, i'll get back to the support folks with this info.
# [22:27] <khuey> gaston: the cache dir is in the objdir
# [22:28] <gaston> since i did a objdir=. build i have cache in xpcom/idl-parser too
# [22:28] <khuey> ah
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# [22:28] <gaston> but hg status doesnt complain about it
# [22:28] <dholbert> juanb, it also sounds like the guy has an XML parsing error which is why he wants Adobe SVG 6.0... He probably just needs to fix his XML. :) We're probably being stricter than Adobe SVG was being
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# [22:30] <jlebar|mac> bz: So I'm chrome JS, and I have a window. I call suspendTimeouts() on it. But there's a load pending, and eventually something loads into the window. Is there an inner-window-changed-type-thing I can listen to here to detect that this happened?
# [22:31] <jlebar|mac> There's inner-window-destroyed....
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# [22:35] <margaret> jlebar|mac: meeting done, here's the relevant scrollback http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1630496
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# [22:36] <zpao> haha, i was just about to paste that (i have pastebin id - 1)
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# [22:37] <margaret> zpao: :)
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# [22:40] <zzzzz> something is this mornings m-i -> m-c merge broke ForecastFox
# [22:40] <zzzzz> Error: The character encoding of the HTML document was not declared. The document will render with garbled text in some browser configurations if the document contains characters from outside the US-ASCII range. The character encoding of the page must to be declared in the document or in the transfer protocol.
# [22:40] <zzzzz> Source file: http://www.getforecastfox.com/customize/16/
# [22:43] <jlebar|mac> margaret: reading...
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> zzzzz, that's a bug in the page, but no there has been no change in interpretation of the page
# [22:43] <jlebar|mac> Oh god, not this again.
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# [22:44] <margaret> :/
# [22:44] <Ms2ger> zzzzz, if something broke today, that message is unrelated
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# [22:44] <jlebar|mac> margaret: Sorry about the IRC business -- we're here at a b2g work week, and so my network is somewhat spotty.
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# [22:44] <margaret> jlebar|mac: no worries, thanks for taking a look
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# [22:44] <jlebar|mac> margaret: Let me read the bug now…
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# [22:47] <jlebar|mac> margaret: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/d37d4edce6dd/docshell/shistory/src/nsSHEntry.cpp#l496
# [22:47] <jlebar|mac> margaret: There are only two ways adoptBFCacheEntry can die.
# [22:47] <jlebar|mac> Either it's not an nsISHEntryInternal, or it has a null shared state.
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# [22:48] <jlebar|mac> margaret: We can change the error codes returned by those two checks so we can tell which?
# [22:49] <margaret> do we want to do something different in the session store code depending on the failure case?
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# [22:49] <margaret> zpao: ^
# [22:49] <jlebar|mac> margaret: I don't understand yet why it's failing, so I don't know.
# [22:49] <margaret> like, should we give up on restoring history for that tab
# [22:50] <margaret> ok
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# [22:50] <margaret> i'm just wondering if the try/catch i put in that patch is sufficient, or if it should catch and bail on a higher level
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# [22:50] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i just put a patch up for review that refactors the bmp encoder/decoder!
# [22:51] <jlebar|mac> margaret: I think that's the right question, but I'd want to understand why it's failing.
# [22:51] <bbondy> awesome, good work!
# [22:51] <bbondy> btw have you tried it in relation to the addon copy/paste image?
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# [22:52] <ejpbruel> bbondy: no, this patch only refactors the encoder/decoder. i still have to refactor the clipboard code to use it. i thought we would do that separately?
# [22:52] <bbondy> yup
# [22:52] <bbondy> for sure
# [22:52] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ill start working on the clipboard code tomorrow
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# [22:52] <jlebar|mac> margaret: Uh.
# [22:52] <jlebar|mac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1630517
# [22:52] <bbondy> so you got the ico stuff worked out?
# [22:53] <ejpbruel> bbondy: oh, and i still need to double check if bitmapv7header is supported on windows xp. i dont have a windows xp vm here. do you?
# [22:53] <jlebar|mac> margaret: How can this possibly work?
# [22:53] <ejpbruel> bbondy: yeah, it was another hardcoded constant
# [22:53] <bbondy> I'll check to see if such an ico works on xp when I do the review
# [22:53] <ejpbruel> bbondy: yeah, please do. the reftest you gave me passes
# [22:53] <jlebar|mac> margaret: Shouldn't it be adoptBFCacheEntry(matchingEntry.shEntry)?
# [22:53] <bbondy> great
# [22:54] <ejpbruel> bbondy: let me know if i did anything wrong :)
# [22:54] <bbondy> I think we'll need some more reftests for bmp 32bpp
# [22:54] <bbondy> similar to the other ones
# [22:54] <jlebar|mac> margaret: I'll post in the bug
# [22:54] <margaret> jlebar|mac: er, hm, i guess that got ported over from desktop wrong?
# [22:54] <bbondy> for encoder and decoder
# [22:54] <bbondy> as far as I remember we have ico 32bpp but none for bmp
# [22:55] <ejpbruel> bbondy: id have to check. we can add some reftests before i push to inbound
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# [22:55] <margaret> jlebar|mac: nice spot
# [22:55] <bbondy> ya we should def add them, can you post that patch in itsown bug and re-request review?
# [22:55] <bbondy> we should keep that current bug for the clipboard stuff
# [22:56] <bbondy> ejpbruel ^
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# [22:56] <ejpbruel> bbondy: thats what i did. i filed another bug but found a duplicate
# [22:56] <ejpbruel> bbondy: put the patch up for r+ there
# [22:56] <bbondy> oops ok good
# [22:56] <ejpbruel> also made it a dependency of the clipboard bug for good measure
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# [22:57] <bbondy> k
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# [22:57] <bbondy> i think just the patch in the clipboard bug needs to be obsoleted
# [22:58] <ejpbruel> bbondy: prolly :)
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# [23:01] <gavin> ehsan: OMG this code is so annoying
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# [23:01] <gavin> it's very much not obvious whether aDocument can reasonable be expected to be null
# [23:01] <gavin> some people check, others throw into a try/catch
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# [23:08] <@ehsan> gavin: yeah :(
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# [23:10] <jtcranmer> why is the new JS debugger API so hard to use?
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# [23:14] <@bz> man
# [23:14] <@bz> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db88_fig1.png
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# [23:14] <@bz> That chart is totally unreadable with our new image thing
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# [23:14] * @bz wonders whether we'll ever fix that
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# [23:15] <jlebar|mac> bz: Let's add a pref. :)
# [23:15] <jlebar|mac> CDC mode
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# [23:15] <@bz> well
# [23:15] <@bz> I just don't understand why we aren't giving the image itself a white background
# [23:15] <@bz> that would totally work
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# [23:15] * @bz never understood the reasoning against it
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# [23:16] <jlebar|mac> That would work indeed...
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# [23:17] <Mossop> Huh, I never heard anyone suggest that
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# [23:18] <mbrubeck> but a white background would break images like http://www.mozilla.org/media/img/sandstone/buttons/arrow-small.png ! :)
# [23:19] <@bz> mbrubeck: mmm
# [23:19] <mbrubeck> perhaps I should use the Trollface emoticon: :7
# [23:19] <gavin> dolske had a reason why that would break people
# [23:19] <@bz> mbrubeck: yes, it would
# [23:19] <@bz> Mossop: uh
# [23:19] <@bz> Mossop: it was all over the relevant bugzilla bugs
# [23:19] <Mossop> Clearly I didn't read them!
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# [23:20] <dao> viewing http://www.mozilla.org/media/img/sandstone/buttons/arrow-small.png standalone was broken before and is broken in other browsers. regressing this seems reasonable.
# [23:20] <@bz> dao: my thoughts exactly
# [23:21] <Mook_as> or use an animated background cycling between black and white at the precise rate to induce seizures.
# [23:21] <gcp> oh man, not this bug
# [23:21] <gcp> bug 376997
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# [23:22] <@bz> gcp: yes, I know
# [23:22] <gcp> or bug 713230
# [23:22] <gcp> bz: if you fit it, you will make the entire world, minus perhaps 1 or 2 people, very happy
# [23:22] <gcp> fix it
# [23:22] <gavin> don't need to let the peanut gallery stop you
# [23:22] <philor> while it's true that some of our assertions are a little terse, "This GL context (06980F88) is owned by thread 030AE728, but the current thread is 09A9F310. That's fine by itself, but our current code in GLContext::MakeCurrent, checking if the context is already current, relies on the assumption that GL calls on a given GLContext are only made by the thread that created that GLContext. If you want to start making GL calls from non-owning thread
# [23:22] <philor> you'll have to change a few things around here, see Bug 749678 comments 13 and 15." seems maybe a bit verbose
# [23:22] <gavin> also "entire world" vastly overestimates the number of people who care :)
# [23:22] <gavin> we live in a bugzilla bubble, people!
# [23:23] <gcp> every person I know cares about that bug, and most of them dont post in bugzilla
# [23:23] <gcp> :P
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# [23:23] <@bz> gavin: I can guarantee that 99% of people who click on that CDC link would go "WTF?"
# [23:24] <@bz> gavin: and the remaining 1% are blind.
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# [23:24] <gavin> bz: yes, obviously it will impact many people, no argument there
# [23:24] <@bz> gavin: as far as peanut gallery...
# [23:24] <sfink> WTF?
# [23:24] <sfink> Aaaugh! I'm going blind!
# [23:24] <@bz> gavin: I just need the Firefox module owners to not stop me. ;)
# [23:25] <sfink> Oh. Just a dark background. Never mind.
# [23:25] <gavin> I'm the Firefox module owner and I'm not stopping you
# [23:25] <gcp> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713230#c2
# [23:26] <gavin> dolske was invovled in those bugs, and had some objections to some proposed solutoins, but I don't think he'd object to this particular one
# [23:26] <@bz> gavin: excellent. Want me to just reopen one of the relevant bugs (or perhaps better file a new one) and post a patch to add "img { background-color: white; } ?
# [23:26] <@bz> gavin: hmm
# [23:26] <gavin> please file a new one
# [23:26] <@bz> ok
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# [23:26] * @bz did propose that solution and people objected
# [23:26] <@bz> ok
# [23:26] * @bz will file
# [23:26] <@bz> later tonight; nanny just left. :(
# [23:26] <gcp> be sure to land the bug over any objections
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# [23:26] <gcp> that's what happened with the original bug that broke everything
# [23:27] <gavin> gcp: unfair characterization
# [23:27] <gcp> that's true
# [23:27] <gcp> people didn't object until they saw that everything was totally broken
# [23:27] <mbrubeck> gcp: Every UX change that ever makes it into Firefox does so over loud objections... :P
# [23:27] <gcp> mbrubeck: I
# [23:27] <gavin> "totally broken" is also an unfair characterization
# [23:27] <gcp> mbrubeck: I agree but that's not a reason to ignore them.
# [23:28] <gcp> mbrubeck: unless you belive our UX decision are always perfect
# [23:28] <gavin> above all else these bugs got caught up in a too-much-noise black hole, which made figuring out the right thing to do particularly hard
# [23:28] <mbrubeck> of course
# [23:28] <gcp> gavin: it breaks *every transparent image* on the web
# [23:28] <gavin> that is a false statement
# [23:28] <mbrubeck> gcp: Except ones like the one I pasted above, which it helps. :7
# [23:28] <gavin> that kind of hyperbole is exactly what I'm talking about :)
# [23:28] <jesup> c++ question: given class ViEBase { public: static ViEBase* GetInterface(VideoEngine* video_engine); ...} and ViEBase* ViEBase::GetInterface(VideoEngine* video_engine) { ... }, should I expect this to work? Would I expect it to work on linux, mac, win32 but not on win64?! See https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=62e1867f1946 Yes, the object file is in the link it appears (vie_base_impl.obj
# [23:28] <jesup> -> video_engine_core.lib.desc -> gkmedia where the error occurs, as best I can tell from Try.) All the errors appear to be 'static' methods...
# [23:28] <gcp> let's put it differently
# [23:29] <gcp> the number of things this beaks outnumbers the things it fixes by 100000 to 1
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# [23:29] * mbrubeck bows out; I think we all understand the impact of the change
# [23:29] <gcp> it's not clear what it achieves
# [23:29] <gavin> I don't think that's true at all, and clearly you're just making that number up
# [23:29] <gcp> mbrubeck: yeah sorry I blame bz for trolling me in :)
# [23:29] <gavin> this kind of debate isn't useful
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# [23:30] <gcp> Let's take it from a different angle then.
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# [23:30] <gcp> If you made a transparent image that was supposed to be viewable stanadlone, for what background color do you design it to see it in every browser except Firefox 13+?
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# [23:30] <mconley> ehsan: hey, congrats on nailing down that bug for background updates. :)
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# [23:30] <gavin> this isn't solely about transparent images
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# [23:31] <johnath> bz_kiddieduty: your d.a.f post lacks the bug link, for context of discussions already had
# [23:31] <gavin> if you completely ignore the benefit to non-transparent images, of course the cost/benefit ratio is skewed
# [23:31] <gcp> I can live with the nontransparent ones have the image box
# [23:31] <gcp> having the image box and grey background
# [23:31] <gcp> (even though the benefits of that weren't ever identified either)
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# [23:32] <gcp> anyway, you copped out of answering, but the answer was obviously: white
# [23:32] <gavin> I didn't answer because I didn't understanad the question
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# [23:33] <gcp> http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db88_fig1.png
# [23:33] <gcp> What color do you think they assumed would be default for transparent images?
# [23:33] <gcp> Do you think it's a reasonable assumption?
# [23:33] <gcp> Do you think us breaking that assumption provides benefits?
# [23:34] <gavin> it sounds like you're trying to get me to argue a position that I don't hold?
# [23:34] <@dolske> are we really debating this _again_
# [23:34] <biesi> gcp, nobody designs images for directly viewing in the browser
# [23:34] <biesi> people design them for showing on web pages
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# [23:34] <mbrubeck> biesi: Tell that to whoever put the image link in http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db88.htm :)
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# [23:35] <gcp> mbrubeck: thanks :P
# [23:35] <bdahl|lunch> bz: would it be preferred that pdf.js be registered as a nsIContentHandler or a nsIURIContentListener?
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# [23:35] <mbrubeck> arguably that image simply shouldn't be transparent, but "shouldn't" doesn't help Firefox users trying to view it.
# [23:36] <jfkthame> i note that as originally filed, bug 376997 said "It would be great if "direct" images and videos could be rendered against a neutral (gray?) background (instead of the white one used now) and maybe centered in the window." …. it was never clear to me why "neutral" became "almost black" by the time that bug was "fixed"
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# [23:36] <dougt> bsmedberg, ping?
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# [23:39] <@ehsan> mconley: most of the credit should go to bbondy :)
# [23:39] <mconley> high fives all around
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# [23:46] <NeilAway> bah, slow script warnings on tbpl :s
# [23:46] <jesup> Now that the furor over images has abated for the moment: Any suggestions about this win64 issue? Repeat:
# [23:46] <jesup> c++ question: given class ViEBase { public: static ViEBase* GetInterface(VideoEngine* video_engine); ...} and ViEBase* ViEBase::GetInterface(VideoEngine* video_engine) { ... }, should I expect this to work? Would I expect it to work on linux, mac, win32 but not on win64?! See https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=62e1867f1946 Yes, the object file is in the link it appears (vie_base_impl.obj
# [23:46] <jesup> -> video_engine_core.lib.desc -> gkmedia where the error occurs, as best I can tell from Try.) All the errors appear to be 'static' methods...
# [23:47] <jesup> Is Win64 using a different Windows compiler on builders than win32?
# [23:47] <Mook_as> jesup: can you reproduce locally? dumpbin would be useful here...
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# [23:48] <Mook_as> (it should be using, AIUI, the 64 bit version of MSVC, like how linux64 uses the 64 bit version of GCC as compared to linux 32)
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# [23:49] <khuey> jesup: it might be using 2008
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# [23:49] <jesup> Mook_as: If I could make a win64 build.... I get missing DLL errors for start...9 x64 and 10 x64 when I go to build. I have Visual Studio 2008 and 2010 (both express) installed
# [23:50] <jesup> Ah, that would make some sense I suppose. Sigh, another interminable install awaits I think
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# [23:50] <NeilAway> bz: you really need a high contrast background. perhaps alternating white & black pixels?
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# [23:52] <jesup> Mook_as: I was hoping diagnosing the link error would be simpler than all that... Which should I install/use to duplicate this?
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# [23:54] <Mook_as> looks like it's got vc10, Microsoft (R) C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 16.00.30319.01 for x64
# [23:54] <NeilAway> hmm... anyone know why I don't have hypotf? (VC9)
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# [23:55] <anant> khuey: question wrt DOM interfaces and e10s, since we're doing message passing in between the child & parent, are there helper functions around to let us pass a "window" object over via message manager (simulate it with messages, i.e.)
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# [23:55] <khuey> NeilAway: because hyptof is c99?
# [23:55] <khuey> anant: I don't really know anything about e10s from JS
# [23:55] <khuey> sorry
# [23:55] <khuey> anant: try fabrice|afk?
# [23:56] <anant> oki doki, he was afk so I gave you a shot first :-)
# [23:56] <Mook_as> haha, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/a9yb3dbt%28v=vs.90%29.aspx says "_hypotf is only available on Itanium Processor Family (IPF) platforms. _hypot is available on all platforms."
# [23:56] <khuey> yeah, sorry I can't help
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# [23:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d6a3d1159939 - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 678726 Improved diagnostics to try to figure out what this random orange is r=ted
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# [23:56] <jfkthame> NeilAway: looks like MS calls it _hypotf
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