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  1. # Session Start: Sun May 13 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #developers
  3. # [00:00] <bjacob> BenWa: can you try something that might crash firefox on your mac: http://udp.github.com/
  4. # [00:00] <BenWa> plugins play on nightly
  5. # [00:00] <bjacob> BenWa: but we have crashes, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753350 . can you reproduce them?
  6. # [00:01] <BenWa> looking
  7. # [00:02] <BenWa> Ohh
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  9. # [00:02] <BenWa> When we bind the native context without using the wrapper we don't know about it
  10. # [00:02] <bjacob> BenWa: oh, oh, what if the plugin did a MakeCurrent on a different GL context in the main thread, so our TLS 'current context' info becomes wrong?
  11. # [00:02] <BenWa> so we never rebind the correct context
  12. # [00:02] <bjacob> exactly!
  13. # [00:02] <BenWa> Yes exactly
  14. # [00:02] <BenWa> :)
  15. # [00:02] <BenWa> stop it!
  16. # [00:02] <bjacob> ok so... what's the fix?
  17. # [00:03] <BenWa> We need a way to invalidate the TLS
  18. # [00:03] <bjacob> yep
  19. # [00:03] <bjacob> my patch assumed that GLContext was the only way we ever used GL
  20. # [00:03] <bjacob> hm
  21. # [00:03] <bjacob> we could override the MakeCurrent function itself? if we can control the GL entry points used by plugins?
  22. # [00:03] <BenWa> That's not true on android or with the plugin support code
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  24. # [00:04] <BenWa> It's possible to interpose the native MakeCurrent
  25. # [00:04] <BenWa> That's pretty nasty
  26. # [00:04] <BenWa> Otherwise with in-process plugin we have to invalidate the TLS every time we enter plugin
  27. # [00:04] <bjacob> that would be reasonable
  28. # [00:04] <bjacob> anyway the current context will change everytime
  29. # [00:04] <bjacob> assuming both the plugin and the compositor use GL
  30. # [00:05] <bjacob> where in our code would that be?
  31. # [00:05] <vikash> Good night
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  33. # [00:05] <BenWa> where would what be?
  34. # [00:05] <bjacob> yes?
  35. # [00:05] <bjacob> oh
  36. # [00:05] <bjacob> where should i add the code to invalidate the TLS?
  37. # [00:06] <BenWa> ohh
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  39. # [00:06] <BenWa> Umm
  40. # [00:07] <BenWa> I dont know if we have such a thing...
  41. # [00:07] <BenWa> a call before each NPAPI call
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  49. # [00:09] <bjacob> BenWa: do plugins have access to arbitrary OpenGL or just a subset exposed to NPAPI?
  50. # [00:09] <BenWa> bjacob: plugins can do as they please
  51. # [00:09] <BenWa> so yes
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  53. # [00:10] <bjacob> BenWa: so, just intercepting MakeCurrent wouldn't quite be enough, as it would break plugins that also call GetCurrentContext
  54. # [00:10] <BenWa> GetCurrentContext should already works if we don't do anything bad
  55. # [00:10] <bjacob> oh, that is true
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  57. # [00:11] <bjacob> so... is there a reasonable way to intercept raw MakeCurrent calls made by plugins?
  58. # [00:11] <bjacob> BenWa: ^
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  60. # [00:12] <bjacob> BenWa: wait a minute, i thought that plugins ran out of process?
  61. # [00:12] <BenWa> Not always
  62. # [00:13] <bjacob> BenWa: do we have a way to deny opengl to plugins? would it be OK to only allow opengl to OOP plugins?
  63. # [00:14] <bjacob> BenWa: that would be nice for security anyways, as i dont trust plugins to correctly blacklist/workaround GL driver bus
  64. # [00:14] <bjacob> bugs
  65. # [00:14] <BenWa> No, we can't
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  67. # [00:15] <BenWa> We not in the position to sandbox plugins
  68. # [00:15] <bjacob> BenWa: we can't LD_PRELOAD a dummy GL library that does nothing?
  69. # [00:15] <bjacob> ih
  70. # [00:15] <bjacob> oh
  71. # [00:15] <bjacob> sorry, that would only work for OOP plugins
  72. # [00:15] <bjacob> argh
  73. # [00:15] <BenWa> We already LD_PRELOAD to support things to work as if they were in-process
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  75. # [00:16] <BenWa> but we can't just block API with LD_PRELOAD
  76. # [00:16] <bjacob> i could easily port to flash my webgl security testcases, and if flash doesn't have a very good handling to mac gl driver bugs, it would be really scary
  77. # [00:16] <BenWa> Blocking opengl is blocking our suggested way to render with players BTW
  78. # [00:16] <BenWa> No one said it was hard with Flash
  79. # [00:16] <bjacob> :/
  80. # [00:17] <bjacob> BenWa: so, how would i go about intercepting makecurrent from plugins?
  81. # [00:17] <BenWa> doing it for OOPP is easy
  82. # [00:17] <bjacob> i care about the non-OOPP case
  83. # [00:17] <BenWa> For in-process there probably is a way
  84. # [00:18] <bjacob> for OOPP case, there is no problem at all
  85. # [00:18] <BenWa> why not just insert something everytime you enter a plugins context to reset TLS?
  86. # [00:18] <bjacob> sure! i was asking above how do i detect this?
  87. # [00:19] <bjacob> i.e. where do i add this code?
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  91. # [00:22] <bjacob> BenWa: in a movie, that is the moment where you would get hit by a poison arrow. dont die before giving me your secrets!
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  93. # [00:23] <BenWa> lol sorry I'm at ToJAM atm
  94. # [00:23] <bjacob> oh right, sorry
  95. # [00:23] <BenWa> We don't seem to have a pre_enter_plugin_code() type function
  96. # [00:23] <BenWa> plugin should already assume they have to re-MakeCurrent
  97. # [00:24] <BenWa> so we have to do the same and reset the TLS optimization
  98. # [00:24] <bjacob> indeed. so what we need is rather a post_leave_plugin_code()
  99. # [00:24] <bjacob> oh no sorry,
  100. # [00:25] <bjacob> pre_enter_plugin_code() is really when we want to clear the TLD
  101. # [00:25] <bjacob> TLS
  102. # [00:25] <bjacob> i'll make a patch doing us never use the TLS, just for testing, to see if that is the cause of this topcrasher
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  105. # [00:28] <bjacob> jdm: what is your exact flash version? see comment 6 and 7
  106. # [00:28] <jdm> let me check
  107. # [00:28] <jdm> bjacob: 11.2.202.235
  108. # [00:28] <bjacob> ah :-(
  109. # [00:29] <bjacob> jdm: and still crashing?
  110. # [00:29] <jdm> yes
  111. # [00:29] <bjacob> jdm: i'll make a tryserver build to check if the crash is a regression from my patch
  112. # [00:29] <jdm> I'll try it
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  117. # [00:36] <bjacob> BenWa: actually, doing a tryserver run seems futile, we quite know that the assumption of my patch is broken by plugins doing GL in-process and that would perfectly explain crashes
  118. # [00:37] <bjacob> BenWa: so i think i'll back out my patches :-((((((
  119. # [00:37] <BenWa> :(
  120. # [00:37] <BenWa> Why not roll out something to do pre plugin code?
  121. # [00:37] <BenWa> maybe it already exists
  122. # [00:38] <bjacob> BenWa: you know this stuff, i dont! please tell me where to look
  123. # [00:38] <BenWa> I don't know if there's an easy place to add it
  124. # [00:38] <BenWa> the code lives in dom/plugins/base
  125. # [00:40] <BenWa> NS_TRY_SAFE_CALL_RETURN
  126. # [00:42] <BenWa> No, that wont work
  127. # [00:43] <BenWa> You'd have to ask josh I guess
  128. # [00:43] <bjacob> jdm: ^ ?
  129. # [00:43] <BenWa> not jdm
  130. # [00:43] <jdm> other josh, I expect
  131. # [00:43] <bjacob> oh
  132. # [00:43] <bjacob> ok
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  135. # [00:43] <bjacob> josh: ^ ?
  136. # [00:44] <BenWa> bjacob: You could also only run the optimization in 64-bit mac
  137. # [00:44] <BenWa> I believe we only allow OOPP there
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  139. # [00:44] <bjacob> BenWa: ah!
  140. # [00:44] <bjacob> jdm: are you running 32 or 64bit?
  141. # [00:44] <jdm> bjacob: 64
  142. # [00:44] <bjacob> BenWa: also this is 64bit : https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-5b576f82-7fd6-4fd0-8821-d06492120509
  143. # [00:45] <BenWa> right… but it's possible that on the host side we use native GLContext calls
  144. # [00:45] <bjacob> BenWa: aha, that we could fix!
  145. # [00:45] <BenWa> gfx/thebes/nsCoreAnimationSupport
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  147. # [00:46] <BenWa> so we probably hit this code in the main process
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  155. # [00:51] <bjacob> BenWa: hehe, this calls CGLSetCurrentContext
  156. # [00:51] <BenWa> Some of this code is ran in the plugin context so be careful with the changes you make
  157. # [00:51] <BenWa> Also you should disable this optimization on 32-bit osx
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  159. # [00:51] <BenWa> or likely any platform that isn't 100% OOPP
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  161. # [00:52] <bjacob> BenWa: i'd like a way to query this rather than maintain a fragile #ifdef
  162. # [00:52] <BenWa> query which?
  163. # [00:52] <bjacob> BenWa: anyway, i feel that i should back out my patches for now, as the fix is nontrivial
  164. # [00:53] <bjacob> query whether in-process plugins are allowed on this platform
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  166. # [00:53] <BenWa> bjacob: You could add an optimization that clears the TLS every time you hit the event loop
  167. # [00:53] <bjacob> BenWa: sounds interesting. is this easy to do?
  168. # [00:53] <BenWa> Do something like have a 'Made Current mode'
  169. # [00:53] <BenWa> probably not
  170. # [00:54] <BenWa> This is the type of stuff that can easily go wrong
  171. # [00:55] <bjacob> BenWa: it would be nice if that code used GLContext more and direct NSOpenGL less
  172. # [00:57] <BenWa> even if it did it's passing the underlying native CGLContext to cocoa which would loose our wrappers anyways
  173. # [00:58] <bjacob> yes but it's using CGLSetCurrentContext to restore the context binding so if it used GLContext for that instead, i could easily handle it there
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  177. # [01:06] <bjacob> BenWa: could we have the same problems with in-process plugins doing OpenGL on Linux? on windows? android?
  178. # [01:06] <BenWa> potentially. Not sure what the plugin situation is on other platforms
  179. # [01:06] <bjacob> ok, doing the backout then
  180. # [01:06] <BenWa> =\
  181. # [01:07] <BenWa> sorry, it's not an easy problem
  182. # [01:07] <bjacob> i know, i know
  183. # [01:07] <bjacob> to be honest, regardless of OOPP, allowing mac plugins to use opengl is crazy
  184. # [01:07] <bjacob> given what we know about apple opengl libraries
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  186. # [01:08] <BenWa> The plugin binaries are worse then the opengl libraries
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  188. # [01:08] <bjacob> but the opengl binaries have access to arbitrary video memory
  189. # [01:10] <bjacob> basically, even without any bug in flash, a flash 11 application can grab video memory by doing a glTexImage2D with size 5000x5000
  190. # [01:10] <bjacob> and there is nothing that OOPP or sandboxing can do to prevent that
  191. # [01:11] <bjacob> on mac/ intel
  192. # [01:11] <BenWa> we whitelist support for the intel gpu on mac
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  194. # [01:12] <BenWa> only flash gets to use it, so they better be careful
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  197. # [01:15] <bjacob> BenWa: i'll try to make a testcase to see if they have the right driver bug workaround
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  199. # [01:15] <BenWa> and you could of came to ToJam instead
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  202. # [01:19] <bjacob> BenWa: :/
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  210. # [01:41] <bjacob> BenWa: backed out
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  212. # [01:41] <bjacob> on inbound
  213. # [01:41] <bjacob> jdm: ^
  214. # [01:41] <BenWa> :'(
  215. # [01:41] <jdm> woo, thanks
  216. # [01:41] <bjacob> jdm: plz try inbound tinderbox build when ready
  217. # [01:41] <BenWa> Fair well MakeCurrent TLS optimization, you served us well
  218. # [01:41] <jdm> bjacob: I'll probably be in bed :/
  219. # [01:42] <jdm> it's already 1:30
  220. # [01:42] <bjacob> jdm: you in europe now?
  221. # [01:42] <BenWa> where are you traveling right now?
  222. # [01:42] <jdm> bjacob: yep, hanging in vienna
  223. # [01:42] <bjacob> cool
  224. # [01:42] <jdm> I just finished with the czech republic
  225. # [01:42] <bjacob> jdm: you saw ALL of it?
  226. # [01:42] <jdm> every last restaurant
  227. # [01:43] <bjacob> jdm: had a lot of pivo?
  228. # [01:43] <jdm> I'd like to see more of it, but I would also like to speak more czech while doing so
  229. # [01:43] <jdm> and no, but I did discover a beer I could actually drink!
  230. # [01:43] <jdm> it's lemony
  231. # [01:44] <jdm> staropramen
  232. # [01:44] <jdm> I wonder if I can get it in canada
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  257. # [02:19] <darktrojan> nm, found it
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  271. # [03:12] <jaws> josh: your push to mozilla-aurora is red on windows
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  301. # [04:07] <mbrubeck> backed out
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  304. # [04:11] <fryn> mbrubeck++
  305. # [04:12] * Callek awards mbrubeck's kharma points to josh, without whom this wouldn't be possible...
  306. # [04:12] <Callek> :-)
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  308. # [04:12] <@dolske> I'd also like to thank josh's agent, josh's talent agency, and all the other people who made this backout possible!
  309. # [04:13] <fryn> nah, we don't celebrate villains for creating opportunities for heroism.
  310. # [04:14] <@dolske> fryn: hush, brendan might be watching. ;-)
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  315. # [04:17] <fryn> a tale of two monkeys
  316. # [04:17] <@dolske> (directed by Joss Whedon, starring Bruce Campbell, music by Danny Elfman)
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  392. # [07:17] <Callek> ...hrm so according to http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/136/the-latest-on-firefox-for-windows-8-metro-status-update-4 metro will be based on Fennec, but we are also caring that desktop binaries of the same build work on XP... does that mean we are essentially abandoning "Firefox" and instead planning to build "Fennec" for windows?
  393. # [07:18] <Callek> it kinda sounds like counter to what I understand as the real useful plans
  394. # [07:24] <@dolske> aiui there will likely be a somewhat complex multi-step build process to ship binaries for both.
  395. # [07:29] <Callek> dolske: more my question is, "is the UI of older Windows Versions going to be based in mobile/ or browser/ aka Fennec or Firefox"
  396. # [07:29] <Callek> :-)
  397. # [07:30] <Callek> yes I know our UX plan is to basically make our UX consistent across devices now, (I saw the new mockups) but just curious
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  419. # [08:38] <JonathanS> Did anyone see https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/5741 ?
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  444. # [09:48] <Ms2ger> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3tqfbiXRZ1rvfebjo1_400.jpg
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  446. # [10:00] <gaston> in-content prefs looks good here
  447. # [10:02] <gaston> it just feels weird to not have the regular adressbar and specific prev/next buttons instead of the classic ones
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  449. # [10:05] <kiddo> hi
  450. # [10:05] <kiddo> I want to know how does urlbar handles return key ?
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  462. # [10:44] <MarcosS> Can I have someone assign me to this bug? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699533
  463. # [10:44] <MarcosS> my email is littledodgeviper@sbcglobal.net
  464. # [10:46] <darktrojan> there you go
  465. # [10:46] <Unfocused> macmaN: done
  466. # [10:46] <Unfocused> ... bah
  467. # [10:47] <Unfocused> macmaN: plz ignore :\
  468. # [10:47] <Unfocused> and i just collided with darktrojan
  469. # [10:47] <darktrojan> too slow
  470. # [10:47] <darktrojan> :-P
  471. # [10:47] <Unfocused> get off my lawn :P
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  473. # [10:48] <macmaN> when something gets done, kittens are resurrected
  474. # [10:48] <macmaN> so i am happy
  475. # [10:48] <Unfocused> heh
  476. # [10:48] <darktrojan> Unfocused, have you got ubuntu precise yet?
  477. # [10:48] <Unfocused> not yet
  478. # [10:48] <Unfocused> was going to wait a month or so
  479. # [10:48] <darktrojan> k
  480. # [10:48] * darktrojan gave in today
  481. # [10:48] <Unfocused> partly just due to lack of time :\
  482. # [10:49] <Unfocused> i saw. it grew on you?
  483. # [10:49] <darktrojan> they've fixed a lot of the things that annoyed me about oneiric
  484. # [10:49] <darktrojan> but I've just noticed something that is going to really annoy me
  485. # [10:49] <Unfocused> heh
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  487. # [10:50] <MarcosS> Unfocused: thanks :)
  488. # [10:50] <Unfocused> MarcosS: thank darktrojan, he beat me to it
  489. # [10:50] <Unfocused> by all of 2 seconds
  490. # [10:51] <MarcosS> darktrojan: thank you :D
  491. # [10:51] <darktrojan> heh, no problem
  492. # [10:51] <kiddo> hello , plz help me I want to know how does urlbar handles return key ?
  493. # [10:51] <kiddo> urlbar is a <textbox>
  494. # [10:54] <Unfocused> kiddo: it uses a binding in urlbarBidings.xul
  495. # [10:54] <Unfocused> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/urlbarBindings.xml#280
  496. # [10:57] <kiddo> Unfocused: so these bindings get "binded" to the urlbarl because its id is "urlbar" ?
  497. # [10:58] <kiddo> I want to use the same binding for a different textbox with a different id..
  498. # [11:00] <Unfocused> kiddo: yes, see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.css#207 which is what defines which binding to ue
  499. # [11:00] <Unfocused> er, to use
  500. # [11:00] <Unfocused> i'm not sure if its possible to use that binding elsewhere though - it has a lot of assumptions about how it's used
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  502. # [11:01] <Unfocused> but you might be able to hack around it
  503. # [11:01] <Callek> the base binding from urlbar is a richlistbox, you might be able to do what you need based on that
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  505. # [11:02] <Callek> you'll need to add some methods/features/styling yourself though :-)
  506. # [11:02] <Unfocused> itym autocomplete textbox
  507. # [11:02] <kiddo> hmmm ... the problem is I am changing the "id" from "urlbar" to "urlbar2" and then back to "urlbar" dynamically , so in this case the binding does not seem to get along .. !
  508. # [11:02] <Callek> Unfocused: its a special form of a richlistbox for urlbar, last I checked
  509. # [11:02] <Callek> Unfocused: its not a "normal" autocomplete box
  510. # [11:02] <Callek> :-)
  511. # [11:02] <Unfocused> Callek: you mean the results dropdown?
  512. # [11:02] <Callek> Unfocused: I mean the textbox+dropdown
  513. # [11:02] <Callek> its all one binding
  514. # [11:02] <Callek> :-)
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  516. # [11:03] <Unfocused> no it isn't :)
  517. # [11:03] <Callek> yea, its been a while since I looked, so I'll defer to you for more specific
  518. # [11:03] <Callek> Unfocused: I think I last looked before you became a toolkit peer, to give context
  519. # [11:03] <Unfocused> heh
  520. # [11:03] <Unfocused> i haven't even been toolkit peer for that long!
  521. # [11:04] <Callek> Unfocused: s/toolkit/addon manager/ if that matters for clarity
  522. # [11:04] <Unfocused> :)
  523. # [11:04] <Callek> probably more likely, "before you were hired"
  524. # [11:04] <Callek> :-)
  525. # [11:04] <Callek> whatever
  526. # [11:04] <Unfocused> heh
  527. # [11:04] <Unfocused> kiddo: by changing the id, the binding will be unapplied, yes
  528. # [11:05] <Unfocused> just apply by whatever id you want, add similar CSS to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.css#207 but with your own ID
  529. # [11:06] <Unfocused> the -moz-binding part is the important bit
  530. # [11:06] <kiddo> kiddo: that is what i discovered ! but only after trying these !
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  535. # [11:15] <kiddo> Unfocused: finally working !, thanks !
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  541. # [11:22] <kiddo> hi , Is there a way i can easily get a list of all the modifications done from firefox version 3.6 to the present one ?
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  543. # [11:25] <Ms2ger> Heh
  544. # [11:25] <Ms2ger> "An awful lot"
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  546. # [11:27] <kiddo> Ms2ger: I feel like mostly only gui is changed
  547. # [11:27] <Ms2ger> Not at all
  548. # [11:27] <kiddo> even though it is a lot , still its possible to get al those ?
  549. # [11:31] <darktrojan> if you download the source it comes with all the changes
  550. # [11:31] <Ms2ger> Looking...
  551. # [11:32] <kiddo> darktrojan: no , i need to find a "list" of changes from 3.6 to 12.0 (or latest)
  552. # [11:32] <darktrojan> hg log
  553. # [11:32] <darktrojan> (I am joking)
  554. # [11:32] <kiddo> :-)
  555. # [11:32] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=3077098;query_format=advanced;target_milestone=Firefox%2010;target_milestone=Firefox%2011;target_milestone=Firefox%2012;target_milestone=Firefox%2013;target_milestone=Firefox%2014;target_milestone=Firefox%2015;target_milestone=Firefox%2016;target_milestone=Firefox%2017;target_milestone=Firefox%203.7a1;target_milestone=Firefox%203.7a2;target_milestone=Firefox%203.7a3;target_milestone=Firefox
  556. # [11:32] <Ms2ger> %203.7a4;target_milestone=Firefox%203.7a5;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b1;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b10;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b11;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b12;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b2;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b3;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b4;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b5;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b6;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b7;target_milestone=Firefox%204.0b8;tar
  557. # [11:32] <Ms2ger> get_milestone=Firefox%204.0b9;target_milestone=Firefox%205;target_milestone=Firefox%206;target_milestone=Firefox%207;target_milestone=Firefox%208;target_milestone=Firefox%209;target_milestone=mozilla10;target_milestone=mozilla11;target_milestone=mozilla12;target_milestone=mozilla13;target_milestone=mozilla14;target_milestone=mozilla15;target_milestone=mozilla16;target_milestone=mozilla17;target_milestone=mozilla2.0;target_milestone=mozill
  558. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> a2.0b1;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b10;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b11;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b12;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b2;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b3;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b4;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b5;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b6;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b7;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b8;target_milestone=mozilla2.0b9;target_milestone=mozilla5;target_milestone=mozilla6;target_milestone=mozilla7;target_milestone=mozilla
  559. # [11:33] <mauke> cool url spam
  560. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> 8;target_milestone=mozilla9
  561. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> Woops
  562. # [11:33] <mauke> 5 messages. impressive
  563. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> http://bit.ly/LDU1ZD
  564. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> That's 18060 bugs
  565. # [11:34] <Ms2ger> And probably misses quite a few
  566. # [11:34] <kiddo> hmmm
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  568. # [11:34] <kiddo> page still opening :)
  569. # [11:35] <kiddo> waiting got buzilla.mozilla.org
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  571. # [11:36] <kiddo> "This list is too long for Bugzilla's little mind; the Next/Prev/First/Last buttons won't appear on individual bugs."
  572. # [11:36] <kiddo> :D
  573. # [11:38] <mauke> that list can't be right
  574. # [11:38] <mauke> it has NEW and UNCO in it
  575. # [11:39] <kiddo> yeah right
  576. # [11:39] <mauke> heh, a NEW bug from 2008
  577. # [11:39] <mauke> no comments
  578. # [11:40] <kiddo> mauke: means its un-resolved since 2008 ?
  579. # [11:40] <mauke> yes
  580. # [11:41] <Ms2ger> Pff
  581. # [11:41] <Ms2ger> There are NEW bugs from 2001
  582. # [11:42] <darktrojan> opera had them first
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  584. # [11:42] <kiddo> I wonder if anybody care about the auto-crash-reports ... ?
  585. # [11:43] <kiddo> auto-sent-crash-reports
  586. # [11:44] <Ms2ger> Yeah, we've got people working on them full-time
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  588. # [11:44] <kiddo> hmm good
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  590. # [11:45] <kiddo> Ms2ger: you work fro mozilla? what part of it you have built ? just curious !
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  592. # [11:45] <Ms2ger> I'm a volunteer; I work on the DOM, mostyl
  593. # [11:46] <kiddo> great , so volunteer can also "claim" for royality?
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  601. # [12:02] <darktrojan> they can claim whatever they like, doesn't mean they're going to get it
  602. # [12:05] <kiddo> darktrojan: what are the chances of your contribution getting accepted ?
  603. # [12:06] <darktrojan> quite high, as long as it does something useful
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  605. # [12:07] <darktrojan> I'm a volunteer too
  606. # [12:07] <kiddo> darktrojan: so where you name "appears" after that ? so that you can show to anybody to prove that it was done
  607. # [12:08] <AryehGregor> How can I run mochitest multiple times at once from one objdir? I use xvfb-run, so this is actually feasible for me.
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  609. # [12:08] <darktrojan> well my name is all over the history of the source code
  610. # [12:08] <darktrojan> and on all the bugs I've fixed
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  612. # [12:08] <darktrojan> AryehGregor, why?
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  614. # [12:08] <AryehGregor> darktrojan, because I have more than one core, and it's faster.
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  616. # [12:08] <darktrojan> heh
  617. # [12:09] <ejpbruel> kiddo: if you want to contribute a patch and get it accepted, you usually need to find somebody to review it for you :)
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  619. # [12:09] <kiddo> darktrojan: which bug fix/contribution , you are most proud of ?
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  621. # [12:09] <darktrojan> AryehGregor, dunno, but if you figure it out we should get the test machines doing it
  622. # [12:09] <kiddo> ejpbruel: But that person should also hold some authority , right?
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  625. # [12:10] <AryehGregor> darktrojan, they aren't already set up to fully utilize their cores?
  626. # [12:10] <ejpbruel> kiddo: correct. usually there is somebody who owns a certain part of the code
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  628. # [12:10] <AryehGregor> I figured they were probably all VMs.
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  631. # [12:10] <darktrojan> dunno, I just use them
  632. # [12:10] <darktrojan> kiddo, probably this https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions/Inline_Options
  633. # [12:11] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, fortunately not, those are way too slow ;)
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  635. # [12:11] <darktrojan> hmm actually, that page should link to my blog post about it
  636. # [12:11] <kiddo> ejpbruel: so they are to be contacted from MIRC or email or ..?
  637. # [12:11] <AryehGregor> Hmm, true.
  638. # [12:12] <ejpbruel> kiddo: when i want to file a patch for something, i usually start out by figuring out who owns that code, and talk to them on irc, so that they know im working on it
  639. # [12:12] <ejpbruel> k
  640. # [12:12] <ejpbruel> id
  641. # [12:12] <ejpbruel> d
  642. # [12:12] <ejpbruel> grmbl
  643. # [12:12] <AryehGregor> So on Windows, where you can only run one mochitest run at once, do they really have a single physical machine doing nothing but running one mochitest instance single-threaded?
  644. # [12:12] <AryehGregor> That seems like a horrible waste . . .
  645. # [12:12] <ejpbruel> kiddo: once i have a patch ready, i put it in the bug and request a review from that person
  646. # [12:12] <NeilAway> what sort of review do I need for an orange test debugging patch?
  647. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, philor or edmorley ;)
  648. # [12:13] <ejpbruel> kiddo: once you get a positive review (r+) and your patch doesnt cause any tests to fail, you can usually land it
  649. # [12:13] <kiddo> ejpbruel: if will be more than happy if i can contribute
  650. # [12:13] <Ms2ger> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/Introduction might be helpful
  651. # [12:14] <ejpbruel> kiddo: find a good starter bug and go for it! :)
  652. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> cpearce, I did send it to try, btw ;)
  653. # [12:15] <cpearce> Good.
  654. # [12:16] <kiddo> ejpbruel: so you suggest i should one from bugzilla first..?
  655. # [12:16] <ejpbruel> kiddo: we have lots of unsolved bugs that you can just pick up, if nobody else has.
  656. # [12:17] <darktrojan> http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/
  657. # [12:17] <ejpbruel> kiddo: we also have something called mentored bugs. a mentored bug has a 'mentor' that knows a lot about the code that involves the bug, and who you can go to for questions
  658. # [12:18] <ejpbruel> kiddo: that can be *very* useful if youre just getting started with FF :)
  659. # [12:18] <kiddo> ejpbruel: yes but If i pick up a bug and start working to fix it, while in the mean time somebody else submits a patch and his patch is accepted, then wouldn't my work go kind of "waste" ! ?
  660. # [12:18] <ejpbruel> kiddo: thats why you only pick up a bug that hasn't been taken yet. you can then take it for yourself :)
  661. # [12:19] <ejpbruel> kiddo: in theory, if a bug is assigned to you nobody else will work on it
  662. # [12:19] <kiddo> ejpbruel: oh so there is a system "taking" too .. hmmm
  663. # [12:20] <ejpbruel> kiddo: jep! if you make a bugzilla account you can assign bugs to yourself
  664. # [12:20] <ejpbruel> kiddo: dont take a bug unless you actually intend to fix it though ;)
  665. # [12:20] <AryehGregor> I just got a crash in JSCompartment::sweep twice in a row.
  666. # [12:20] <kiddo> ejbbruel: yeah right ..
  667. # [12:20] <ejpbruel> kiddo: but also dont feel bad if the bug turns out to be too hard for you. simply untake it in that case so somebody else can pick it up
  668. # [12:20] <AryehGregor> Using Live DOM Viewer.
  669. # [12:20] <AryehGregor> Should I try doing something specific to debug or report it?
  670. # [12:21] <AryehGregor> (this is in a debug opt local build with a bunch of editor/ patches)
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  672. # [12:22] <kiddo> ejpbruel: And if I have got a bug and so shall i first submit as bug and then assign it and then fix it ? (because i have found a bug)
  673. # [12:22] <ejpbruel> kiddo: sure, you can file bugs yourself (and take them too). just make sure that its really a bug though.
  674. # [12:22] <ejpbruel> kiddo: it can be very demotivating to find a bug, spend a week fixing it, only to figure out that what you tried to fix is something we do on purpose :)
  675. # [12:23] <kiddo> ejpbruel: well it is a bug or say it is something that should be there and fixing it is looks very difficult , though i am trying
  676. # [12:24] <ejpbruel> kiddo: filing a bug in bugzilla is also a good way to get feedback on possible ways to fix it :)
  677. # [12:24] <cpearce> Ms2ger: FAIL_ON_WARNINGS appears not to work windows for me, I assume it doesn't work on windows yet?
  678. # [12:24] <ejpbruel> kiddo: what is the bug?
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  680. # [12:25] <kiddo> ejpbruel: i tell you top secretly
  681. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> cpearce, locally?
  682. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> You need to add ac_add_options --enable-warnings-as-errors
  683. # [12:25] <cpearce> Ms2ger: Ah, I see.
  684. # [12:26] <cpearce> Ms2ger: so we don't build with that on TryServer then? There are warnings in windows builds...
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  686. # [12:27] <Ms2ger> Which ones?
  687. # [12:27] <cpearce> There are warnings when compiling content/media...
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  689. # [12:27] <Ms2ger> Yes, which warnings?
  690. # [12:27] <cpearce> For example: "content/media/nsAudioStream.cpp(534) : warning C4244: 'argument' : conversion from 'double' to 'float', possible loss of data"
  691. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> I think we disable -Werror for those
  692. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> Lunch, bbiab
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  694. # [12:35] <AryehGregor> I keep getting this randomly on Live DOM Viewer: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1635919
  695. # [12:35] <AryehGregor> (m-c with some local patches)
  696. # [12:35] <kiddo> darktrojan: some AI based algorithm is used to find relevant bugs by http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy ?
  697. # [12:35] <darktrojan> probably not AI, no
  698. # [12:35] <kiddo> hmm
  699. # [12:36] <darktrojan> it's just querying bugzilla
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  701. # [12:37] <kiddo> darktrojan: but how it finds the relevant ones?
  702. # [12:38] <darktrojan> \o/ just mid-aired myself
  703. # [12:38] <darktrojan> kiddo, we've tagged appropriate bugs in bugzilla, bugsahoy just finds them
  704. # [12:39] <kiddo> darktrojan: ohkay !
  705. # [12:39] * darktrojan didn't read the mid-air warning close enough either :/
  706. # [12:40] <kiddo> what is this "mid-air" !
  707. # [12:40] <tonymec> kiddo: mid-air-collision, e.g. in Bugzilla
  708. # [12:41] <darktrojan> bugzilla detects when a change is made to a bug while you're changing it
  709. # [12:41] <darktrojan> allows you to avoid doing what I just did
  710. # [12:41] * darktrojan regularly makes an ass of himself on bugzilla
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  712. # [12:43] <tonymec> kiddo: Bugzilla gives you a choice: (a) do it anyway and override the changes the other guy just made; (b) enter only your new comment, but no other changes; (c) do nothing and revisit (refresh) the bug
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  714. # [12:44] <kiddo> hmmmmmm
  715. # [12:44] <kiddo> tonymec: it is like version source code control systems kind of thing
  716. # [12:45] <tonymec> kiddo: maybe, in an extremely limited fashion. Only appears if the bug was changed while you did, and very limited choice of revisions to go back to.
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  719. # [12:49] <tonymec> Hello. Hourly builds come with a *.crashreporter-symbols.zip in addition to what is found for nightlies. Should I unpack these symbols (and where?) for them to be found in the case of a crash?
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  742. # [13:16] <darktrojan> someone at google has WAY too much time on their hands
  743. # [13:16] <darktrojan> this is their mothers' day doodle https://www.google.co.nz/logos/2012/mothersday12-hp-s.png
  744. # [13:16] <darktrojan> (unanimated)
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  797. # [15:22] <ejpbruel> why is it that, even if only change a single cpp file, i still have to wait 10 mins for my compile to finish
  798. # [15:22] <ejpbruel> shouldnt it be as simple as: recompile single file, relink?
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  806. # [15:29] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: do you know how many .obj files you need to relink? it takes time, you know
  807. # [15:30] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: apparently so. im just kind of shocked that it would take *this* long
  808. # [15:30] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: do we have to relink *everything* even when you recompile just a single file?
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  810. # [15:31] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: well, nearly everything - assuming that your file gets linked into libxul
  811. # [15:31] * ejpbruel wishes we could do better in that respect
  812. # [15:31] <ejpbruel> these 10 min compile cycles are so breaking my flow
  813. # [15:31] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: well, it's swings and roundabouts - if you don't link things together, then you need virtual functions or whatever
  814. # [15:32] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: yeah, and putting stuff in dll's makes startup time slower, etc
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  865. # [17:14] <mbrubeck> This new OS X crash looks pretty bad...
  866. # [17:14] <mbrubeck> in M2
  867. # [17:15] <mbrubeck> and once again it looks like it spread from inbound to m-c (or vice versa) even though it hadn't shown up in the changeset I merged
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  879. # [17:23] <mbrubeck> filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754674
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  881. # [17:26] <ejpbruel> mbrubeck: stuff can spread from m-c to m-i?
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  883. # [17:28] <mbrubeck> yeah, some changesets land on m-c first.
  884. # [17:28] <mbrubeck> We merge both ways.
  885. # [17:29] <ejpbruel> mrbrubeck: i thought m-i should be thought of as a sort of 'staging area' for m-c
  886. # [17:30] <mbrubeck> Yes, it is.
  887. # [17:30] <mbrubeck> But even putting aside the people who land directly on m-c
  888. # [17:30] <mbrubeck> there are other staging areas like fx-team and mozilla-services
  889. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> http://pulseaudiomemes.tumblr.com/post/22895589698/nuff-said
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  891. # [17:31] <mbrubeck> and build-system (a.k.a. khueys-playground)
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  893. # [17:34] <mbrubeck> speaking of which....
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  895. # [17:40] <ejpbruel> well, thanks for pointing that out :)
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  1008. # [20:42] <gcp> god, nothing more rage-inducing than trying to do something simple, having Firefox (beta!) lock on startup that safe mode doesn't resolve, and then running into some mozilla.org website bugs.
  1009. # [20:42] <gcp> "I HAVE NO TIME FOR THIS NOW"
  1010. # [20:43] <gcp> two website bugs
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  1014. # [20:46] <WG9s> gcp: so you are on the developers channel. Your presence here kind of implies you should be fixing these issues yourself.
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  1016. # [20:48] <gcp> see the "I have no time for this now" part
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  1018. # [20:50] <WG9s> well yes but if you have the issue and don't have time for it, how do you expect others who do not have the issue to find time to try to fix it exactly?
  1019. # [20:50] <gcp> I rar-ed my profile :P
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  1021. # [20:53] <gcp> ha, reproducible on release
  1022. # [20:53] <gcp> brilliant
  1023. # [20:55] <WG9s> gcp: issue is if you want to be on the developers channel then you shoudl be willing to fix your own issues. if you want a support channel then please go to #firefox.
  1024. # [20:56] <WG9s> Oh and I am now seeting ignore on your nick
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  1029. # [21:04] <marco> we are using Chromium IPC on platforms != android, aren't we?
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  1031. # [21:04] <gcp> we still do on XUL fennec
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  1034. # [21:05] <WG9s> marco: we are using more of this on android xul builds than anywhere else, if that answers your question.
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  1037. # [21:08] <WG9s> on android xul we are using separate processes for chrome and content.
  1038. # [21:10] <marco> ok, thank you
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  1042. # [21:12] <WG9s> actually I think this is true for all fennec xul not necessarily only for android only.
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  1044. # [21:12] <gcp> there isn't any other XUL Fennec configuration that's currently supported AFAIK
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  1047. # [21:13] <gcp> No idea what B2G is doing in that area.
  1048. # [21:14] <gcp> They live in the same mobile subtree, so its quite possible.
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  1055. # [21:19] <WG9s> exit
  1056. # [21:21] <WG9s> ok back to not ignoring people feeling that I told them what my issue was and fi it continues then they will be on a really long ingonre type basis.
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  1058. # [21:22] <gcp> WG9s: I get payd to fix Firefox issues, but I don't particularly like doing that Sunday evening 9pm..
  1059. # [21:23] <gcp> I'm particularly not amused if I run into bugs that I suspect regular users would find very hard to recover from.
  1060. # [21:23] <WG9s> well then I guess if you get payed to fix thenm then I am not going to try to fix them for you so back to ignoring.
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  1062. # [21:23] <gcp> Whatever.
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  1144. # [23:01] <bjacob> How do I detect, in a makefile, if --enable-tests?
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  1146. # [23:01] <Ms2ger> TEST_DIRS is what you want
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  1148. # [23:01] <Ms2ger> bjacob, ^
  1149. # [23:02] <bjacob> Ms2ger: is | ifdef TEST_DIRS | the check i want?
  1150. # [23:02] <Ms2ger> No, just TEST_DIRS = test
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  1152. # [23:02] <bjacob> oh
  1153. # [23:03] <bjacob> Ms2ger: i see. I was using DIRS = tests instead of TEST_DIRS = tests
  1154. # [23:03] <Ms2ger> Right
  1155. # [23:03] <bjacob> and i was failing in opt builds
  1156. # [23:04] <Ms2ger> Were you?
  1157. # [23:04] <Ms2ger> I see a fun linker issue on Android...
  1158. # [23:04] <Ms2ger> glandium will probably be able to help you with that
  1159. # [23:04] <bjacob> Ms2ger: that is exactly the issue i am looking into
  1160. # [23:05] <Ms2ger> Android debug is red too
  1161. # [23:05] <bjacob> oh hum
  1162. # [23:05] <bjacob> locally i could only reproduce with an opt mozconfig
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  1164. # [23:06] <bjacob> oh and TEST_DIRS doesn't fix it here
  1165. # [23:06] <bjacob> glandium: are you around?
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  1168. # [23:07] <bjacob> oh, my Makefile in objdir still has DIRS= ...
  1169. # [23:07] <Ms2ger> (11pm on a Sunday night... Probably not the best of times)
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  1171. # [23:07] <bjacob> aaaaaaaaaargh
  1172. # [23:07] <bjacob> i've been editing in mozilla-aurora instead of mozilla-central for 2 hours
  1173. # [23:07] <Ms2ger> Eh
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  1175. # [23:08] <bjacob> /o\
  1176. # [23:09] <Ms2ger> `|´
  1177. # [23:09] <Ms2ger> / \
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  1179. # [23:09] <jdm> ouch
  1180. # [23:09] <bjacob> now i'll hg diff in aurora, apply that to central, and make a ritual sacrifice to the gods
  1181. # [23:10] <Ms2ger> Two goats, I think
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  1184. # [23:11] <Ms2ger> jdm, http://pulseaudiomemes.tumblr.com/post/22895589698/nuff-said :)
  1185. # [23:11] <jdm> yep, it's true
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  1187. # [23:12] <bjacob> Ms2ger: +1
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  1227. # [23:53] <Callek> ATTN: m-c/Aurora/Try/Inbound all CLOSED TREE to account for Bug 754705
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