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25. # [00:12] <jdm> ugh
26. # [00:12] <jdm> bzapi is being crazy tonight
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28. # [00:13] <jdm> 90% of my submissions show me some kind of error but mostly go through
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31. # [00:14] <jhammel> beh, i hope mine don't!
32. # [00:15] <jhammel> otherwise i've filed a bunch of bugs i don't have bug #s for o_O
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35. # [00:17] <jdm> jhammel: presumably they would show up in My Bugs
36. # [00:18] <jhammel> they didn't get filed, abict, thankfull
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54. # [00:27] <froydnj> is having nsIDocument's or nsPIDOMWindow's methods be virtual actually useful?
55. # [00:28] <jdm> never discount extensibility
56. # [00:28] <@khuey> these days?
57. # [00:28] <@khuey> unclear
58. # [00:28] <froydnj> I was complaining to taras about nsIFoo where nsIFoo is not defined in idl
59. # [00:28] * philor is now known as philor|away
60. # [00:28] <froydnj> and he said these used to be in idl
61. # [00:29] <froydnj> but if they're not in idl anymore, do we really care about virtuality...?
62. # [00:29] <taras> pcwalton: is asuth in MV these days?
63. # [00:29] <@khuey> well they were virtual so they could be used across module boundaries
64. # [00:29] <@khuey> back when --disable-libxul was still a thing
65. # [00:29] <pcwalton> taras: I see him walking around a lot, but I don't know where he sits
66. # [00:30] <froydnj> ah yes, that would be helpful too
67. # [00:30] <jlebar|mac> froydnj: I have to imagine we have bigger fish to fry than PIDOMWindow, though...
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69. # [00:31] <froydnj> jlebar|mac: oh, I'm sure we do. I'm just trying to understand logic/history, as the code is not helpful...
70. # [00:31] <jlebar|mac> Ah, I see.
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76. # [00:32] <@khuey> "logic"
77. # [00:32] * @khuey gets in a good chuckle
78. # [00:32] <froydnj> not like devirtualizing things would be terribly hard (famous last words)
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80. # [00:32] <jlebar|mac> froydnj: I mean, it's *really* silly that nsDocShell implements like eighty interfaces.
81. # [00:33] <@khuey> only eighty?
82. # [00:33] <jlebar|mac> And that causes not only virtual calls, but needless QI's.
83. # [00:33] <@khuey> good thing docshell isn't in the fast path!
84. # [00:33] <froydnj> what's the alternative, though?
85. # [00:33] <froydnj> accessors?
86. # [00:33] <jlebar|mac> froydnj: One nsIDocShell interface.
87. # [00:33] <jlebar|mac> froydnj: You still need an interface for stuff to be accessed from chrome JS.
88. # [00:34] <froydnj> sure
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90. # [00:34] <gps> zpao: http://petereisentraut.blogspot.com/2011/09/ccache-and-clang-part-2.html
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92. # [00:34] <zpao> gps: yea, i've been linked there already
93. # [00:34] <gps> and that environment variable is documented in ccache's man page
94. # [00:34] <jlebar|mac> Just don't need nsIDocShell, nsIWebProgress, nsIDocShellTreeItem...
95. # [00:34] <gps> time to update my mozconfigs
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97. # [00:35] <zpao> gps: i'm trying to make that actually work though... exporting that in my mozconfig doesn't seem to be sticking & my build still fails at the same spot :/
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99. # [00:36] <gps> export it harder?
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101. # [00:36] <zpao> heh, i tried!
102. # [00:36] * philor|away is now known as philor
103. # [00:36] <@khuey> who is good with sed?
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105. # [00:36] <jhammel> why would you want to use sed? ;)
106. # [00:36] <@roc> Dennis Ritchie
107. # [00:36] <gps> khuey: ask someone with a neck beard
108. # [00:36] <@khuey> bah
109. # [00:36] <froydnj> what are you trying to do with sed?
110. # [00:37] * jhammel is trying to make a C-compiler with sed
111. # [00:37] <gps> if it isn't on http://www.unixguide.net/unix/sedoneliner.shtml I do it with Perl
112. # [00:37] <jhammel> can anyone help with that?!?
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114. # [00:37] <jhammel> yes a one-liner compiler would be nice
115. # [00:37] <@khuey> froydnj: replace text :-P
116. # [00:37] <jhammel> khuey: can you be even *more* specific? ;)
117. # [00:37] <mauke> I'm good with perl, does that count?
118. # [00:37] <froydnj> sed's regex syntax is so wacky, I just use perl -pie 's/foo/bar/'
119. # [00:38] <mauke> -pi -e
120. # [00:38] <gps> froydnj++
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122. # [00:38] <jhammel> regex syntax is so wacky; i use python ;)
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124. # [00:39] <mwu> khuey: I've made some sed stuff
125. # [00:39] <mwu> for the prbool->bool conversion
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127. # [00:40] <jhammel> well, i don't know what the problem is, but i'm going to go ahead and recommend awk
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129. # [00:40] <mwu> even the sed manual recommends awk
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131. # [00:40] <jhammel> lol
132. # [00:40] <froydnj> jhammel: aw, that is actually helpful
133. # [00:40] <mwu> I stubbornly use sed anyway
134. # [00:40] <jhammel> froydnj: well, since the first step is "learn awk", not necessarily ;)
135. # [00:41] <jhammel> which i tend to forget every bloody time
136. # [00:41] * @khuey uses python
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138. # [00:41] <mwu> which is probably the whole reason I keep using sed
139. # [00:41] <jhammel> khuey: wise choice
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145. # [00:42] <jhammel> for whatever reason i get a lot of questions in the form of "I'm trying to use this giant multi-line regex to parse out this tiny bit of data. Can you look at it and tell me what I'm doing wrong?"
146. # [00:42] <froydnj> now you have three problems
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149. # [00:42] <jhammel> to which i inevitably answer: "Yes, you're trying to use a giant multi-line regex to parse out a tiny bit of data" ;)
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154. # [00:44] <mwu> 3.7 Commands for `sed' gurus: In most cases, use of these commands indicates that you are probably better off programming in something like `awk' or Perl. But occasionally one is committed to sticking with `sed', and these commands can enable one to write quite convoluted scripts.
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156. # [00:45] <mwu> gnu sed info pages
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161. # [00:47] <mbrubeck> "committed" is exactly the right word...
162. # [00:47] <bz> roc: so I think we decided to use Optional<T> to handle optional arguments with no default values
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164. # [00:47] <bz> roc: instead of argc
165. # [00:48] <@roc> ok
166. # [00:48] <@roc> any particular reason?
167. # [00:48] <bz> roc: "we" == "dom bindings meeting earlier today"
168. # [00:48] <bz> roc: seems like it's less error-prone
169. # [00:48] <@roc> ok
170. # [00:48] <@roc> I guess it's more flexible
171. # [00:48] <@roc> if we ever add something like named parameters to WebIDL, for example
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173. # [00:48] <bz> heh
174. # [00:49] <zpao> gps: so you can't fit it in with --with-ccache="CCACHE_CPP2=yes ccache" because that makes the ccache check fail, and passing it with CC= is too late. i could change our configure to prepend it to $CCACHE
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176. # [00:49] <dholbert> zpao, can you set CCACHE_PREFIX="CCACHE_CPP2=yes"
177. # [00:50] <dholbert> ?
178. # [00:50] <dholbert> zpao, (have no context, but it sounds like that might help (?)
179. # [00:50] <zpao> is that a thing we have?
180. # [00:50] <dholbert> that is a thing ccache has
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182. # [00:50] <zpao> well, so is exporting CCACHE_CPP2, but that's the part that didn't seem to stick
183. # [00:50] <dholbert> though if we're setting it in configure or something, we'd need to not stomp on the existing value
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190. # [00:53] <dholbert> zpao, (I'm not 100% sure that CCACHE_PREFIX can be used to pass other env vars to ccache, but I suspect it'd work)
191. # [00:56] <zpao> hmm, i wonder if this is just being built outside of normal rules... if i export it before running make, everything works...
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196. # [00:59] <@roc> there's a perma-UNEXPECTED-PASS on Aurora
197. # [01:00] <@khuey> I wonder if that balances out the perma-UNEXPECTED-FAIL on beta
198. # [01:00] <@roc> maybe not truly perma
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233. # [01:20] <lsblakk> khuey|away: appologies if you got double-poked about that esr bug, bzapi glitches when running the auto-mailer
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235. # [01:20] <cpearce> If we navigate a <browser> do we allocate a new document, or do we load the new URI in the old document?
236. # [01:20] <mauke> what could cause 'typeof localStorage' to throw an NS_ERROR_DOM_SECURITY_ERR?
237. # [01:21] * cpearce suspects the former...
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239. # [01:21] <NeilAway> gaston: sorry, I don't actually know
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241. # [01:22] <gavin> cpearce: documents aren't re-used that way
242. # [01:22] <cpearce> gavin: are they reused some other way?
243. # [01:22] <gavin> no
244. # [01:22] <cpearce> excellent.
245. # [01:22] <NeilAway> jesup: sorry it didn't work out for you, maybe the 2010 express confused the batch file (I only have the sdk installed)
246. # [01:22] <cpearce> gavin: thanks!
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254. # [01:32] <mauke> should I just file a bug?
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285. # [01:53] <NeilAway> jesup: while I could pastebin my start-msvc10-x64.bat and guess-msvc.bat files, they're hacked mozillabuild 1.5.1 versions, so they might not work for you
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296. # [02:01] <@roc> is it my imagination or does Alice0775 do more QA than anyone we actually pay to do it?
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298. # [02:03] <zzzzz_> roc: I don't think its your imagination - she does one heck of job
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303. # [02:05] <@roc> I wish there was some way we could reward her, but apparently she's Ms2ger-esque in her anonymity
304. # [02:05] <jhammel> perhaps they are married ;)
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306. # [02:07] <mbrubeck> My theory is that they aren't anonymous at all; their real names just happen to be Ms2ger and Alice0775. And Scoobidiver.
307. # [02:08] <@roc> Scoobidiver doesn't work for us?
308. # [02:08] <mbrubeck> nope
309. # [02:08] <@roc> wow
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311. # [02:08] <zzzzz_> I think of him as the philor of crash-reports :)
312. # [02:09] <mbrubeck> My other theory is that remaining anonymous is their only option if they want to avoid getting hired by MoCo. :)
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316. # [02:11] <cpeterson> or they are autonomous AIs
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318. # [02:11] <fabrice> cpeterson: in this case we should clone them - massively
319. # [02:12] <@dolske> JUDGEMENT DAY
320. # [02:12] <@roc> I feel extra pressure to fix bugs filed by Alice since I don't want her to feel let down
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324. # [02:13] <philor> for bonus anonymity fun, there's apparently some reason to believe that the correct pronoun is "him"
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328. # [02:17] <@roc> it's certainly possible, although I haven't heard that rumor before
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338. # [02:20] <gavin> as far as I know Alice is a japanese guy
339. # [02:22] <darktrojan> <philosoraptor> what if there really are no women on the internet?
340. # [02:22] <Callek> gavin: don't spoil rocs encouragement to fix bugs, he might be looking for a female friend :-P
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342. # [02:22] * Callek guesses that is borderline, and if that did cross said line I apologize to roc.
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349. # [02:26] <@roc> I have no unmet needs in the female friend department, thank you
350. # [02:26] <@roc> but yes, you should be careful with that line
351. # [02:26] * @khuey wonders if Callek knows that roc is married with children
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353. # [02:26] <@dolske> I love that show!
354. # [02:26] <@khuey> heh
355. # [02:27] * @dolske sticks hand under belt and slouches on sofa.
356. # [02:27] <@dolske> PEG!
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367. # [02:36] <jlebar|mac> gavin: Are you going to be able to review all of the patches in bug 750454 in a timely fashion? If not, perhaps we can find a reviewer whose plate is less full?
368. # [02:37] <RyanVM> philor: backing out bug 749455
369. # [02:37] <RyanVM> assuming that's the reftest failure
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371. # [02:37] <jlebar|mac> gavin: I'd hate to de-prioritize the non-window leaks only because I happened to pick you as a reviewer when someone else could do the job.
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384. # [02:44] <gavin> jlebar|mac: splitting the patch up is a good thing to do regardless of who reviews it
385. # [02:45] <gavin> I'm not looking to "de-prioritize" anything
386. # [02:45] <scientes> developers developers developers...
387. # [02:45] <RyanVM> philor: starring inbound
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389. # [02:46] <jlebar|mac> gavin: Well, the relative value of my time compared to another reviewer's time might not be so skewed as in this case, so it might not make sense for me to split up the patch if someone else were reviewing. But the question was more whether you were looking to review one part and not the others, which you've now answered.
390. # [02:46] <jlebar|mac> gavin: In general, some reviewers don't mind 40kb patches, and others insist on having them split up irrespective of whether that actually makes reviewing easier.
391. # [02:47] <philor> RyanVM: good, thanks - I have to admit that when I saw you first starting to star it, I just closed it and went to other trees, figuring it was in better and faster hands than mine :)
392. # [02:47] <RyanVM> heh
393. # [02:47] <jlebar|mac> gavin: Not to suggest that you're in either of these camps! :)
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403. # [02:59] <@dolske> I split up all my patches to 1-bit chunks for gavin.
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406. # [03:03] <gavin> r+ r+ r+ r+ r+ r- r- r- r- r- r+ r+ r+
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409. # [03:04] <jlebar|mac> dolske: I'm sure handling review comments is the highlight of your week.
410. # [03:04] <mauke> any idea why 'typeof localStorage' would throw NS_ERROR_DOM_SECURITY_ERR?
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413. # [03:06] <@khuey> mauke: 748620
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416. # [03:07] <mauke> my cookies are enabled, though
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418. # [03:07] <fabrice> who's familiar with the xhr code? bug 755072 needs someone
419. # [03:07] <mauke> at least I see 4chan cookies in the manager
420. # [03:07] <njn> dolske: 1-*bit* changes? that's a challenge
421. # [03:07] * njn looks up gray codes
422. # [03:07] <@khuey> fabrice: that has sicking written all over it
423. # [03:09] <@dolske> njn: no, the hard part is making sure the intermediate states all work correctly.
424. # [03:09] <njn> dolske: sounds like evolution
425. # [03:09] <njn> that would explain a lot about the Mozilla codebase
426. # [03:09] <mauke> oh god
427. # [03:10] <mauke> I had one subdomain of 4chan in the cookie block list
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429. # [03:10] <mauke> khuey++
430. # [03:10] <@khuey> ;-)
431. # [03:10] <mauke> what an insidious feature/bug
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514. # [04:05] <cpearce> Can you get NSPR log messages from a phone running B2G? using adb logcat maybe?
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527. # [04:13] <mwu> cpearce: IIRC that should work if you can pass the env vars to turn NSPR logging on
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529. # [04:14] <cpearce> mwu: thanks. eflores ^^
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623. # [05:36] <jtcranmer> new record?
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627. # [05:39] <cpearce> firebot: uuid
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658. # [06:12] <dRdR> so it looks by seeing nsIThread that it's event driven (specifically it has a nsEventQueue in it which it processes whenever it's the current context), are there any docs on it? the wiki seems to have nothing, but if there are any good blocks of example code I can just look through that. I'm specifically trying to just create a thread that goes idle until it gets an event added to a queue,
659. # [06:12] <dRdR> then it acts on it
660. # [06:13] <@khuey> NS_NewThread
661. # [06:14] <dRdR> khuey: I'm looking for a full example, even if it's just code that's currently in use (most of the stuff I found was kind of scattered all over the place and hard to follow)
662. # [06:14] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/media/FileBlockCache.cpp#23
663. # [06:14] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/media/FileBlockCache.cpp#111
664. # [06:15] <dRdR> cool, thanks
665. # [06:17] <jlebar|mac> Uh, hg pull gives me " error: _ssl.c:503: error:14077102:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unsupported protocol"
666. # [06:17] <jlebar|mac> Is that known?
667. # [06:18] * jlebar|mac tries updating hg, but suspects that will only make the problem worse.
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669. # [06:19] <jlebar|mac> Oh, whatcha know, hg 2.2.1 works. Or it was just a blip.
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674. # [06:23] <markh> hrmph - mozilla-central is failing to build for me on windows with "...\mozilla-central\gfx\2d\Tools.h(81) : error C3861: 'hypotf': identifier not found" - anyone have clues?
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678. # [06:24] <@khuey> firebot: bugs hypotf
679. # [06:24] <firebot> khuey: Sorry, I've no idea what 'bugs hypotf' might be.
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681. # [06:24] <@khuey> firebot: hypotf bugs
682. # [06:24] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753790 blo, P2, honzab.moz, ASSI, Build bustage with MSVC9: mozilla-central\gfx\2d\Tools.h(81) : error C3861: 'hypotf': identifier not
683. # [06:25] <@khuey> markh: ^
684. # [06:25] <markh> khuey: you rock, thanks! Although I should have done that myself I guess :)
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695. # [06:35] <dRdR> khuey: in general, is it better to keep a thread spinning or dispatch it when events come? my events are very high frequency (touch events) and will only stop coming when the user is doing nothing, so I would assume it's better to just keep it spinning indefinitely
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697. # [06:38] <@khuey> uh
698. # [06:38] <@khuey> what do you mean by keep it spinning?
699. # [06:38] <@khuey> busy wait?
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701. # [06:38] <jesup> dRdR: dispatch == create? or dispatch == wakeup when blocked on event arrival? (as compared to polling) Generally I'd assume you want to block; waking from that is quick (maybe in odd cases with multicore polling is faster)
702. # [06:39] <jesup> ANd polling will just slow down getting you the event usually
703. # [06:39] <dRdR> jesup: I was going to just tight poll it
704. # [06:39] <dRdR> it has to be responsive
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706. # [06:39] <dRdR> jesup: I mean there's NS_NewThread() and then thread->Dispatch(), I was gonna just do both together then tight poll inside the thread to keep it alive
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708. # [06:40] <@khuey> the thread stays alive regardless
709. # [06:40] <dRdR> oh, you have to manually kill it?
710. # [06:40] <@khuey> as long as someone is holding a reference to it
711. # [06:40] <dRdR> okay, interseting
712. # [06:40] <@khuey> yeah, you have to call Shutdown on it
713. # [06:40] <jesup> dRdR: and what is giving you what you're polling for? If you're polling, you're wasting cycles that would help get you the event
714. # [06:40] <dRdR> another thread is inserting events into a queue
715. # [06:40] <@khuey> (and destroying my phone's battery life)
716. # [06:41] <jesup> khuey++++
717. # [06:41] <dRdR> :( sorry, I'm reading about this as I'm talkng about it
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719. # [06:41] <@khuey> that's fine
720. # [06:41] <@khuey> you haven't killed my battery yet ;-)
721. # [06:41] <dRdR> so can I freeze the thread or something?
722. # [06:41] <dRdR> and only wake it when an event is sent?
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724. # [06:42] <@khuey> it does that automatically
725. # [06:42] <@khuey> if there are no events it is blocking on a condvar which is signalled when an event is dispatched
726. # [06:43] <@khuey> and that's effectively "frozen"
727. # [06:43] <dRdR> oh ok, I don't really understand Dispatch(), let me read that
728. # [06:44] <@khuey> the intersting stuff is in nsEventQueue::PutEvent
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730. # [06:44] <dRdR> khuey: yeah I'm trying to understand how nsThread and nsEventQueue mesh though
731. # [06:45] <dRdR> my impression is that when you call Dispatch() it puts stuff onto the nsEventQueue then wakes the thread?
732. # [06:46] <@khuey> dRdR: the short version is that every nsThread has an nsEventQueue
733. # [06:46] <@khuey> the nsEventQueue has a reentrant monitor (a reentrant lock and a condvar)
734. # [06:46] <dRdR> yeah
735. # [06:47] <@khuey> when things are dispatched to the nsEventQueue it signals the condvar
736. # [06:47] <@khuey> and the thread waits on the condvar when it's not busy processing events
737. # [06:47] <dRdR> ah I see
738. # [06:47] <dRdR> ok, that's basically what I thought
739. # [06:48] <@khuey> the waiting happens in nsEventQueue::GetEvent
740. # [06:48] <dRdR> does Dispatch() insert the passed event into the nsEventQueue?
741. # [06:48] <@khuey> yes
742. # [06:49] <dRdR> ok I get it, thanks
743. # [06:49] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp#439 calls nsThread::PutEvent
744. # [06:49] <@khuey> which calls PutEvent on the thread's nsEventQueue
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746. # [06:49] <dRdR> great, thanks
747. # [06:49] <@khuey> nsEventQueue and nsThread are separate because you used to be able to have nested event queues
748. # [06:49] <@khuey> don't ask, you don't want to know
749. # [06:49] <dRdR> I dunno nsEventQueue looks like it could useful if it was generalized
750. # [06:49] <@khuey> but that got ripped out a few months ago
751. # [06:49] <dRdR> don't get why it's not templated but whatever
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753. # [06:50] <@khuey> yeah
754. # [06:50] <dRdR> I mean it's a simple thread-safe queue... sounds pretty useful
755. # [06:50] <@khuey> froydnj probably wants a variant of it for his per-window event queue stuff
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757. # [06:53] <jesup> khuey++ again :-)
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766. # [06:56] <njn> who knows about the relationship between nsGlobalWindow and JSCompartment? bholley, presumably...
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768. # [06:56] <bholley> njn: hi
769. # [06:57] <njn> bholley: hi
770. # [06:57] <bholley> njn: you're lucky I can't sleep tonight ;-)
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772. # [06:57] <njn> bholley: :) I'm looking at bug 687724
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774. # [06:57] <mbrubeck> why is peptest hidden on tbpl?
775. # [06:57] <@khuey> njn: if you can get the global from a JSCompartment it's pretty easy
776. # [06:57] <njn> bholley: is there a 1:1 relationship between those two types? or can either
777. # [06:58] <bholley> njn: so
778. # [06:58] <bholley> njn: as soon as luke adds compartment->globalObject, it's easy
779. # [06:58] <njn> bholley: is there a bug for that?
780. # [06:59] <philor> mbrubeck: http://mxr.mozilla.org/build/source/buildbot-configs/mozilla-tests/config.py#1205
781. # [06:59] <bholley> njn: the global object is the nsGlobalWindow for window scopes
782. # [06:59] <luke> njn, bholley: just waiting to make sure cpg is truly fully stuck
783. # [06:59] <njn> bholley: what's a "window scope"?
784. # [06:59] <@khuey> the inner nsGlobalWindow
785. # [06:59] <mbrubeck> ah
786. # [06:59] <njn> luke: oh hi
787. # [06:59] <philor> "let's persuade philor we don't really intend to make our suite tier 1"
788. # [06:59] <@khuey> njn: something that isn't a component scope, or a JSM scope, or a worker scope ...
789. # [06:59] * njn hasn't heard that meaning of "scope" before
790. # [06:59] <bholley> njn: something with an nsGlobalWindow as its global
791. # [07:00] <bholley> njn: might be an XPConnect-ism
792. # [07:00] <philor> and it claimed when it was landing that it was trying to always be green no matter what, which takes away most of the point of visibility
793. # [07:00] <njn> bholley: one compartment->globalObject exists, how do I know it's a window scope?
794. # [07:00] <bholley> njn: referring to a 'scope' as 'the world around a global object'
795. # [07:00] <njn> *once
796. # [07:00] <njn> ok
797. # [07:01] <bholley> njn: you ask nsXPConnect. let me look up exactly what you want
798. # [07:01] <njn> so, every nsGlobalWindow has a JSCompartment, but the reverse isn't true
799. # [07:01] <njn> because of those other scope kinds
800. # [07:01] <@khuey> getNativeOfWrapper, IIRC
801. # [07:01] <@khuey> and then QI to a window
802. # [07:01] <bholley> njn: getNativeOfWrapper, yeah
803. # [07:01] <@khuey> njn: every *inner* nsGlobalWindow has a JSCompartment
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805. # [07:02] <@khuey> but the reverse isn't true for the reasons you state
806. # [07:02] <bholley> njn: the global object _is_ the window
807. # [07:02] <bholley> njn: or, is a wrappednative of the window
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809. # [07:02] <bholley> njn: for DOM stuff
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812. # [07:03] <bholley> njn: so with compartment-per-global, we've got one compartment per global object. And whether we have a window depends on what kind of object the global is
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814. # [07:03] <njn> bholley: gotcha
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816. # [07:04] <@dolske> bholley: no now that we have CPG, what will you be tackling next? :)
817. # [07:04] <@dolske> * so now
818. # [07:04] <bholley> dolske: regressions
819. # [07:05] <bholley> dolske: after that though
820. # [07:05] <@dolske> well, after that. or is that your long term plan? :)
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822. # [07:05] <@khuey> after that maybe he can split inner and outer windows into separate classes
823. # [07:05] <bholley> dolske: I want to make chrome objects exposed to content default to being opaque if they don't have exposed props
824. # [07:05] <bholley> dolske: then I want to remove CAPS principal pushing
825. # [07:05] <@dolske> mmmm
826. # [07:05] <@khuey> and then do all the other things mrbkap was supposed to do but never got to :-P
827. # [07:06] <bholley> dolske: then I want to remove |Components| for the web
828. # [07:06] <bholley> dolske: then I want to rip out enablePrivilege
829. # [07:06] <@dolske> heh
830. # [07:06] <njn> bholley: What will |GetNativeOfWrapper(compartment->globalObject)| give me?
831. # [07:06] <njn> bholley: just an nsISupports*, AFAICT
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833. # [07:06] <@dolske> bholley++(...)++
834. # [07:06] <@khuey> njn: yes
835. # [07:06] <bholley> njn: yeah, QI it
836. # [07:06] <njn> bholley: to see if it is an nsGlobalWindow?
837. # [07:06] <bholley> njn: nsPIDOMWindow
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839. # [07:07] <bholley> dolske: then I want to fix document.domain
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841. # [07:07] <@khuey> what about what I want? :-P
842. # [07:07] <bholley> dolske: then I want to fix Xray wrappers
843. # [07:07] <bholley> dolske: then I want to fix imagelib
844. # [07:08] <njn> luke: is there a bug open for compartment->globalObject ?
845. # [07:08] <bholley> khuey: CPG enables us to fix document.domain
846. # [07:08] <bholley> khuey: bug 655649
847. # [07:08] <@roc> bholley: yes, but what will you do next week?
848. # [07:09] <bholley> roc: dolske asked about long-term plans ;-) But hopefully I won't still be working on regressions next week
849. # [07:09] <luke> njn: nope, i'll file it right now if you'd like to depend something on it
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851. # [07:09] <njn> luke: yes plz, bug 687724
852. # [07:09] <@roc> I mean next week, after you've done all the things
853. # [07:09] <bholley> roc: ah! :-)
854. # [07:09] <bholley> roc: you must be new here ;-)
855. # [07:10] <bholley> though /me seems to remember roc having some superhuman weeks like that
856. # [07:11] <@dolske> maybe bholley will implement compositor... :)
857. # [07:11] * bholley remembers promising to help roc with compositor at summit 2008
858. # [07:11] <njn> bholley: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1639691 is my summary, does that look right?
859. # [07:12] <@dolske> is compositor still a thing? or did layers and hw accell basically do enough of what it was going to do?
860. # [07:12] <@dolske> though, hmm, framerate was somehow involved there...
861. # [07:12] <@roc> almost all of it got done in various ways
862. # [07:13] <bholley> njn: "window scope" is a phrase I just made up, based on the XPConnectism of "scope is everything corresponding to a given global". No need to engrave it anywhere. ;-)
863. # [07:13] <njn> bholley: ah
864. # [07:13] <@dolske> too late, I made a trophy
865. # [07:14] <@roc> the frame rate limiting landed a while back. mstange implemented most of it and bz finished it off
866. # [07:15] <njn> bholley: for JSCompartments that belong to inner nsGlobalWindows, is the death of the two objects always at the same time?
867. # [07:15] <bholley> njn: but yeah, I wouldn't emphasize so much the relationship between nsGlobalWindows and compartments, but rather the relationship between compartments and globals, and that nsGlobalWindow happens to be the global for DOM windows
868. # [07:15] <@dolske> roc: is that the refresh driver stuff?
869. # [07:15] <@roc> yeah
870. # [07:15] <@dolske> ah.
871. # [07:15] <bholley> njn: mostly
872. # [07:16] <bholley> njn: the global JS object has to die before the compartment dies
873. # [07:16] <bholley> njn: and I'm pretty sure dies right before it, though I'm not 100% positive
874. # [07:16] <bholley> njn: the actually C++ nsGlobalWindow…trickier
875. # [07:16] <bholley> njn: it can stay around, even if its JS reflection (the global) is gone
876. # [07:17] <njn> bholley: that should be ok, since I'm iterating over all windows in the window-objects reporter, and over all compartments in the JS reporter
877. # [07:17] <bholley> njn: for a mind-numbing description of how this can happen, see bug 691178 comment 11
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881. # [07:19] <njn> bholley: take 2: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1639694
882. # [07:20] <bholley> njn: lgtm
883. # [07:20] <njn> bholley: thanks!
884. # [07:21] <padenot> b 6
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886. # [07:22] <njn> luke: thanks
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888. # [07:22] <@dolske> padenot: still not your personal emacs. :)
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890. # [07:23] <padenot> dolske: I should write a weechat plugin to avoid those, it happens way to often
891. # [07:25] <luke> njn: you bet
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912. # [07:51] <AryehGregor> philor, what's with the orange 2 on Win debug here? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=6a617ff04355 It says the output is too long and was truncated, so how do I figure out why it failed?
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921. # [07:56] <philor> AryehGregor: usually, by looking at what there's a trillion of before it gets cut off, either warnings or assertions being the most common
922. # [07:57] <romaxa> Ryan: ping
923. # [07:57] <AryehGregor> philor, in this case I'm just adding files that run several hundred thousand tests. This being editing code, of course, they also trigger about thirty assertions per test with full stack traces.
924. # [07:57] <AryehGregor> (exaggerating slightly)
925. # [07:57] <romaxa> Ryan: do you know how to enable debug errors in sqlite db in moz debug builds?
926. # [07:58] <AryehGregor> (it's probably not more than 200,000 tests, and probably less than 100,000 assertions)
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928. # [07:59] <@roc> maybe we could fix a few those assertions before landing
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930. # [08:01] <AryehGregor> roc, at least one is apparently quite hard to fix.
931. # [08:01] <philor> from the part I've scrolled through, just fixing anonymous nodes should not be in child lists: '!aOldChild->IsRootOfAnonymousSubtree()' smells like it would be enough
932. # [08:01] <@roc> which one?
933. # [08:01] <AryehGregor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439258
934. # [08:01] <AryehGregor> It's actually a CSS bug.
935. # [08:01] <AryehGregor> Or layout.
936. # [08:01] <AryehGregor> Or something.
937. # [08:01] <AryehGregor> Or at least that's the work that would be required to fix it, so I've been told.
938. # [08:01] <@roc> oh, that one
939. # [08:01] <AryehGregor> We could just get rid of the assertion, of course. :)
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941. # [08:03] <AryehGregor> Make it an NS_WARNING instead, no stack trace.
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943. # [08:04] <dRdR> khuey|away: ping?
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952. # [08:11] <philor> huh, 7 minutes to run an M2 with 9800 tests, 10 minutes to run an M2 with 121000 tests? that's a lot of setup and teardown time
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957. # [08:15] <njn> Vladimir Vukicevic is a new hire?!
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959. # [08:15] <njn> a.k.a. vlad is back?
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963. # [08:16] <@roc> yes
964. # [08:17] <@roc> he is, amusingly, going through orientation
965. # [08:17] <njn> roc: interesting
966. # [08:18] <njn> and good!
967. # [08:18] <njn> roc: is beltzner coming back too? :P
968. # [08:18] <@roc> :-)
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974. # [08:22] <njn> roc: oh god, has anyone told him about the Code of Conduct? ;P
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978. # [08:22] <glandium> does that mean he's going to go through his review queue ?
979. # [08:23] <@roc> njn: let us not speak of that here
980. # [08:23] <dRdR> is it crazy to refactor nsEventQueue to just be a templated queue called nsQueue, then derive nsEventQueue from nsQueue and implement the functions that the original had as basically just wrappers for proper names like Queue and Dequeue?
981. # [08:23] <njn> roc: fair enough!
982. # [08:23] <dRdR> I need something exactly like it that takes more than just nsIRunnables
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984. # [08:23] <@roc> dRdR: it's not crazy if you also go ahead and combine it with nsDeque
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986. # [08:24] <dRdR> roc: THAT'S crazy :( nsDeque is really weird and solves different problems
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988. # [08:24] <dRdR> nsDeque has no thread safety, so forcing everything that uses it to be thread safe would probably be a big performance hit, and because it operates totally differently there's bound to be tons of regressions
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994. # [08:29] <@roc> behold MediaQueue
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999. # [08:30] <dRdR> roc: why is that in the media section =/ it could be so useful outside
1000. # [08:30] <@roc> steal it
1001. # [08:30] <dRdR> ok
1002. # [08:30] <dRdR> how much stuff uses it
1003. # [08:31] <@roc> not much
1004. # [08:31] <dRdR> excellent
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1006. # [08:31] <@roc> well, all the media decoders
1007. # [08:31] <@roc> they're all under content/media
1008. # [08:31] <dRdR> in dxr I only see like 4 references to it
1009. # [08:31] <@roc> if you can unify that with the event queue data structure, great
1010. # [08:31] <dRdR> I will
1011. # [08:31] <@roc> I salute you
1012. # [08:32] <dRdR> :D
1013. # [08:32] * dRdR embarks on a journey that will be at least 100x longer and more difficult than expected
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1034. # [08:44] <njn> dRdR: how do you know it will be more difficult than expected before you start?
1035. # [08:44] * njn invokes Hofstadter's law
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1060. # [09:04] <glandium> dRdR: that is a pretty recursive statement...
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1065. # [09:06] <Ms2ger> Whoa whoa
1066. # [09:06] <Ms2ger> :gavin works now?
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1069. # [09:08] <nigelb> Ms2ger: what did you try earlier? :bot?
1070. # [09:08] <nigelb> :P
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1072. # [09:08] <Ms2ger> vin.sha
1073. # [09:09] <nigelb> ah
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1102. # [09:35] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: can you remind me where the nsIDOMNSHTMLElement fallout is being tracked?
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1104. # [09:36] <Ms2ger> nsIDOMNSElement, you mean
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1106. # [09:36] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750002
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1109. # [09:41] <JesperHansen> 23k recurssive calls? wow
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1111. # [09:44] <KWierso> JesperHansen: they really want you to share stuff...
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1114. # [09:45] <JesperHansen> yo, I heard you liked sharing so we put a share button on your share button on your share button so you can share while you share while you share while you share
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1116. # [09:46] <KWierso> while you sh-[stacklimitreached:aborting]
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1124. # [09:48] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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1142. # [10:07] <Ms2ger> glandium, zing!
1143. # [10:07] <Ms2ger> (<glandium> does that mean he's going to go through his review queue ?)
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1156. # [10:18] <Yoric> I have coded a quick-n-dirty |console|-style object for Chrome Workers, that outputs to stdout.
1157. # [10:18] <Yoric> Is there any interest in me making it more robust?
1158. # [10:18] <Yoric> And opening a bug?
1159. # [10:19] <Yoric> Ah, well, I'll just open a bug.
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1161. # [10:19] <JesperHansen> Yoric: I dont know. Is there interest in you? :)
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1164. # [10:21] <Yoric> JesperHansen: Well, I might use it, but it does not replace a proper |console|.
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1168. # [10:23] <JesperHansen> Yoric: and didn't know they didn't work in chrome workers
1169. # [10:23] <JesperHansen> Yoric: make an event based wrapper?
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1171. # [10:23] <Yoric> Well, that's not very modular.
1172. # [10:24] <Yoric> The worker system is unfortunately very anti-modular.
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1250. # [11:59] <@smaug> mounir: what is Bug 755208 about?
1251. # [12:01] <mounir> smaug: see my recent posts in dev-{platform,b2g}
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1253. # [12:03] <@smaug> mounir: ok, that is what I expected
1254. # [12:03] <@smaug> a bit sad
1255. # [12:03] <@smaug> but ok
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1258. # [12:04] <mounir> smaug: that would help us go forward
1259. # [12:04] <mounir> those things are really important on mobile
1260. # [12:04] <mounir> it doesn't make me happy to have stuff for mobile and not for desktop too
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1282. # [12:17] <glandium> mounir: why do you need that behind a configure flag?
1283. # [12:19] <mounir> glandium: we don't want to have web pages think we support <input type='number'> if we don't have an UI for it
1284. # [12:19] <mounir> (that being an example)
1285. # [12:19] <mounir> so we will have UI for mobile
1286. # [12:19] <mounir> and then we will think about doing one for desktop
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1289. # [12:20] <glandium> mounir: but we already have flags to tell android/b2g apart. why would you need another?
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1292. # [12:20] <glandium> mounir: btw, what you suggest basically applies to android only. b2g would have to have its own ui
1293. # [12:21] <mounir> glandium: we could use ifdef ANDROID OR B2G but I would prefer ifdef HTML5_FORMS_MOBILE
1294. # [12:21] <mounir> just for readability
1295. # [12:22] <mounir> glandium: we will work on the b2g side with gaia
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1297. # [12:22] * mounir didn't thought that thing would get that much attention
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1303. # [12:36] <darktrojan> mounir, how would a webdev know whether they can use the new input types or not?
1304. # [12:37] <mounir> darktrojan: the same way they should check that right now: |var i = document.createElement('input'); i.type = 'typeYouWantToCheck'; return (i.type == 'typeYouWantToCheck');|
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1308. # [12:39] <darktrojan> I guess that figures
1309. # [12:39] <darktrojan> hopefully they'll become so commonplace soon so that's not an issue
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1320. # [13:03] <glazou> bonjour
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1329. # [13:08] <jwatt> edmorley: that Try URL: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=32dc08023af6
1330. # [13:09] <edmorley> jwatt: thank you :-)
1331. # [13:09] <jwatt> edmorley: no, thank you
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1333. # [13:10] <jwatt> edmorley: the URL it's actually crashing on is chrome://global/skin/media/videoClickToPlayButton.svg
1334. # [13:11] <jwatt> which is only referenced by http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0c78207fc93f/toolkit/themes/winstripe/global/media/videocontrols.css#l214
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1336. # [13:12] <jwatt> so only loaded for https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/widgets/videocontrols.xml
1337. # [13:12] <jwatt> and the test being blamed has nothing to do with video
1338. # [13:13] <jwatt> neither does the test that comes after it, test_bug399925.html
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1364. # [13:42] <edmorley> gerv: your try run is looking much better, just the B2G and android failures left now
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1367. # [13:46] <edmorley> gerv: the android issue looks like a problem with https://hg.mozilla.org/try/diff/8af7f8d3ef05/mobile/android/base/strings.xml.in
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1386. # [14:02] <edmorley> gerv: for the B2G failure, there's an error further back in the log that looks like the root cause: "ERROR - failed to load manifest file at 'b2g/config/tooltool-manifests/releng.manifest'"
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1391. # [14:04] <edmorley> gerv: so I'm presuming it doesn't like https://hg.mozilla.org/try/diff/8af7f8d3ef05/b2g/config/tooltool-manifests/releng.manifest
1392. # [14:05] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: what's your position on void foo(nsCOMPtr<nsIBar> &baz) ?
1393. # [14:05] <Ms2ger> Objection
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1395. # [14:06] <Ms2ger> Should be void Foo
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1398. # [14:07] <sheppy> I love the sexy nerd talk here.
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1401. # [14:08] <sheppy> (That "sexy" is a modifier for "talk", not for "nerd." Sorry guys).
1402. # [14:08] <nigelb> heh
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1405. # [14:09] <darktrojan> I don't think that "sexy" should be used anywhere near what they're talking about
1406. # [14:09] <sheppy> darktrojan++
1407. # [14:09] <sheppy> I agree, since it sounds dangerously like something that might someday affect docs. And everyone knows I think C++ templates are an abomination that have to be stopped.
1408. # [14:10] <darktrojan> why just the templates?
1409. # [14:10] * darktrojan is a JS guy
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1414. # [14:12] <sheppy> Well, C++ in general is an abomination, but it doesn't seem likely to go away anytime soon. There's still a chance templates could be stamped out though.
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1417. # [14:16] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: sorry, typo on my part
1418. # [14:17] <ejpbruel> sheppy: are you serious? templates are extremely useful in many cases. you just shouldnt use them to do functional programming with.
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1420. # [14:18] <sheppy> ejpbruel: I think they make code unreadable.
1421. # [14:18] <ejpbruel> sheppy: sure, they have that potential. but for things like container classes, smart pointers, etc, they can be extremely useful
1422. # [14:18] <sheppy> I more or less refuse to document any API that uses them, because I can't figure them out. It's the only thing in code I've ever been totally unable to read, and I've hand-coded PowerPC assembly. :)
1423. # [14:19] <ejpbruel> sheppy: theres simply no way to do efficient container classes without templates
1424. # [14:19] <sheppy> ejpbruel: that's because of deficiencies in C++. :)
1425. # [14:19] <ejpbruel> sheppy: granted though, there are some places in the code base where we use templates in ways they shouldnt be used
1426. # [14:20] <ejpbruel> sheppy: thats a pretty bold statement. how would you implement type agnostic containers without templates?
1427. # [14:20] <sheppy> ejpbruel: I've spent the last decade and a half or so, on and off, trying to fully understand templates, and I have repeatedly failed.
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1429. # [14:20] <sheppy> ejpbruel: I'm not a language designer; I really don't know. But there's got to be a way that obfuscates things less.
1430. # [14:21] <ejpbruel> sheppy: im curious, at what point do templates become too complex for you to grok? i assume that the base case is easy to understand
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1432. # [14:22] <@ted> ugh, do all of my SSL sites really screw up and use non-SSL resources?
1433. # [14:22] <sheppy> ejpbruel: nope, I simply find I can't get them at all. I vaguely get what they're intended to do but for some reason I can't get them at all. It's actually a little weird.
1434. # [14:22] <@ted> is that why i have little exclamation points everywhere?
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1437. # [14:23] <gerv> edmorley: Thanks!
1438. # [14:23] <sheppy> ejpbruel: I recognize that it's entirely possible that this is my problem. :D
1439. # [14:23] <sheppy> But I'm a smart guy that can code in a lot of languages; nothing should be that hard for me to understand.
1440. # [14:23] <ejpbruel> sheppy: thats strange
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1442. # [14:23] <jwatt> ted: should automation.py not set browser.startup.page to prevent the first run page opening?
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1444. # [14:24] <ejpbruel> sheppy: i dont think templates are amongst the hardest language features ive ever seen
1445. # [14:24] <sheppy> ejpbruel: Hm, what would you consider harder?
1446. # [14:24] <ejpbruel> sheppy: so it must really be the way our brains are wired differently
1447. # [14:24] <sheppy> ejpbruel: could be :)
1448. # [14:24] <ejpbruel> sheppy: i had a *very* hard time grokking call-cc in scheme
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1451. # [14:25] <sheppy> I can't think of anything in any language that has stymied me at all. Just C++ templates.
1452. # [14:25] <ejpbruel> sheppy: oh and monads in Haskell still have me baffled
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1456. # [14:27] <@ted> i don't find C++ templates that bad
1457. # [14:27] <@ted> granted you can do some really messed-up things with them
1458. # [14:27] <@ted> but the average usecase isn't that bad
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1460. # [14:27] <ejpbruel> yeah my point exactly, if you dont try to be too smart with them, templates are awesome
1461. # [14:28] <ejpbruel> dont try to read any STL or boost code though
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1463. # [14:28] <sheppy> Given that we're starting to use them more, I probably need to try again to grok them, but after so many attempts, I don't have high hopes. :)
1464. # [14:28] <ejpbruel> sheppy: i'd love to give you an explanation some time if we ever get to meet irl
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1466. # [14:28] <bjacob> glandium: so i put both MOZ_GLUE_* variables before including rules.mk, but i keep LIBS= after? or I move LIBS= as well?
1467. # [14:29] <glandium> bjacob: keep it after
1468. # [14:29] <sheppy> ejpbruel: that'd be nice. I suspect that having someone sit there and pound it into my skull would help. My eyes glaze over when I try to read about it. Not as badly as when I look at templated code though. :)
1469. # [14:29] <bjacob> glandium: ok.
1470. # [14:29] <bjacob> glandium: _so_ arcane!!
1471. # [14:29] <glandium> bjacob: yeah, depends where things are set/reset/used
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1475. # [14:30] <ejpbruel> sheppy: ive been told im good at explaining stuff in non-geek terms. are you based in MV?
1476. # [14:30] <glandium> bjacob: for instance, if you set LIBS before rules.mk, including rules.mk resets it.
1477. # [14:30] <sheppy> ejpbruel: no, I'm in East Tennessee. :)
1478. # [14:30] <glandium> bjacob: for MOZ_GLUE_*, they are checked and possibly modified when including rules.mk, so if you set them after, you miss the check
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1481. # [14:31] <ejpbruel> im ashamed to admit that i didnt even know where east tennessee was until 1 minute ago
1482. # [14:31] <sheppy> ejpbruel: hehe
1483. # [14:32] <sheppy> You shouldn't be ashamed. Most Americans probably couldn't find your country on a map. :)
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1485. # [14:32] <sheppy> You certainly shouldn't be expected to find one relatively minor US state on one. :)
1486. # [14:32] <darktrojan> east tennessee is east of west tennessee
1487. # [14:32] <sheppy> darktrojan: very good! It's also east of middle Tennessee (which is, in fact, a thing).
1488. # [14:33] <darktrojan> I kinda expected that
1489. # [14:34] <sheppy> The Memphis/Nashville/Knoxville divide is larger than it has any right to be. :)
1490. # [14:34] <sheppy> Until you go back in time about 150 years and see where they all stood during the Civil War.
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1493. # [14:35] <bjacob> glandium: i see
1494. # [14:35] <ejpbruel> sheppy: i live in the Netherlands. most americans i meet think we're a province of Germany ;)
1495. # [14:36] <ejpbruel> sheppy: which is ironic, since you guys helped prevent that in 1945 :P
1496. # [14:36] <sheppy> ejpbruel: Nah, I think most people here don't realize that's the same thing as Holland, and that Netherlands is part of Denmark. :)
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1498. # [14:36] <darktrojan> tell them it's not called dutchland for nothing
1499. # [14:37] <Ms2ger> Wut
1500. # [14:37] <ejpbruel> sheppy: i believe some people even think that the city of amsterdam is the same as the country itself
1501. # [14:37] <sheppy> ejpbruel: that could be :)
1502. # [14:37] <darktrojan> we're discussing irrelevant countries in europe, Ms2ger
1503. # [14:37] <darktrojan> like... germany
1504. # [14:37] <Ms2ger> Australia?
1505. # [14:37] <@smaug> so obviously not about Finland :)
1506. # [14:37] <sheppy> darktrojan: you literally made me almost fall out of my chair :D
1507. # [14:37] <darktrojan> \o/
1508. # [14:38] <ejpbruel> must. not. feed. troll.
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1512. # [14:38] <NeilAway> jhorak: I guess removing the temporary altogether may make the code less readable, so don't worry too much about it
1513. # [14:38] * darktrojan shouldn't bash germany, not with a last name like his
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1516. # [14:39] <Ms2ger> "Trojan"?
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1518. # [14:39] <jhorak> NeilAway: so we can checkin the previous patch?
1519. # [14:40] <darktrojan> that's the one, Ms2ger
1520. # [14:40] <NeilAway> jhorak: no, the latest patch is better
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1522. # [14:40] <NeilAway> jhorak: at the very least, it's more obvious what the lifetime of the temporary is
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1524. # [14:41] <jhorak> NeilAway: also for me.
1525. # [14:41] <NeilAway> jhorak: but I would have thought writing if (StringHead(acctName, atPos).Equals(...)) would have been ok
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1528. # [14:42] <jhorak> NeilAway: Ah, I see. Should I redo the latest patch according to this?
1529. # [14:42] <NeilAway> sheppy: I know many Americans who wouldn't be able to find Ms2ger's country on a map of it
1530. # [14:42] <NeilAway> jhorak: no, the latest patch is fine
1531. # [14:42] <jhorak> NeilAway: good, thanks
1532. # [14:42] <sheppy> NeilAway: I'm not entirely sure which country he's in. But I bet I could find it. :)
1533. # [14:43] * darktrojan points at the .be on Ms2ger's host name
1534. # [14:43] <NeilAway> jhorak: the previous patch I didn't like because it used the same variable for two temporary functions, which isn't a problem on your latest patch
1535. # [14:43] <sheppy> Ah. Belarus? :D
1536. # [14:43] <sheppy> Berkeley? :)
1537. # [14:43] <NeilAway> darktrojan: huh, he's got reverse dns now? I don't remember that before
1538. # [14:43] <darktrojan> belize
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1540. # [14:44] <darktrojan> neither
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1542. # [14:44] <darktrojan> I noticed it just before
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1546. # [14:45] * NeilAway mentions Benin and Bermuda for completeness
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1548. # [14:45] <darktrojan> NeilAway++
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1552. # [14:46] <NeilAway> darktrojan: I had to look up Benin though
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1555. # [14:47] <darktrojan> it's next to togo
1556. # [14:48] <sheppy> After all the language talk earlier, I thought you said "logo".
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1561. # [14:53] <edmorley> khuey|away: have filed the four new oranges on your m-c push for you
1562. # [14:54] <NeilAway> was Flash broken a few days ago?
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1566. # [14:56] <sheppy> edmorley: has Flash ever not been broken?
1567. # [14:57] <edmorley> 302 NeilAway
1568. # [14:57] <Ms2ger> 302 sheppy
1569. # [14:58] <sheppy> You're all very, very odd. :D
1570. # [14:58] * sheppy goes back to prioritizing Kuma bugs.
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1573. # [14:59] <edmorley> sheppy: I only said that because I though you were replying to NeilAway :-)
1574. # [15:00] <sheppy> edmorley: haha :)
1575. # [15:00] <Ms2ger> And all I was trying to do is putting you into an infinite loop :)
1576. # [15:00] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: well, it worked a week ago
1577. # [15:00] <NeilAway> bah, I missed the 302
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1579. # [15:00] <bjacob> glandium: still same error! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732875#c47
1580. # [15:01] <Ms2ger> bholley++
1581. # [15:01] <bholley> Ms2ger: for what
1582. # [15:01] <Ms2ger> 755255
1583. # [15:02] <Ms2ger> Also, nice bug #
1584. # [15:02] <mounir> khuey|away: yeah, why not a run-time pref
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1587. # [15:02] <mounir> khuey|away: but I think it would be easier with a compile-time thing
1588. # [15:02] <bholley> Ms2ger: that was fast ;-)
1589. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> Yay, bugmail :)
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1592. # [15:04] <glandium> bjacob: ah. got an epiphany. add WRAP_LDFLAGS=
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1595. # [15:04] <bjacob> glandium: before or after the include?
1596. # [15:04] <glandium> bjacob: for this one, it shouldn't matter
1597. # [15:04] <Ms2ger> glandium, now you can browse the web!
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1599. # [15:05] <bjacob> glandium: ok, trying
1600. # [15:05] <glandium> Ms2ger: i've stopped using epiphany since its switch to webkit
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1602. # [15:05] <glandium> (because it became mostly useless then)
1603. # [15:05] <bjacob> i've stopped caring about desktop integration a while ago :)
1604. # [15:06] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I don't even have it installed on this laptop
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1619. # [15:16] <@khuey> edmorley: 4?
1620. # [15:16] <edmorley> khuey: likely related, but yeah 4 \o/
1621. # [15:16] <Ms2ger> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m40f0iAyes1rvfebjo1_500.jpg
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1624. # [15:16] <@khuey> edmorley: fun
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1629. # [15:18] <edmorley> Ms2ger++
1630. # [15:19] <Ms2ger> :)
1631. # [15:21] <bjacob> haha
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1640. # [15:25] <jorendorff> Hmm. What's the best way to load and run code in a chrome scratchpad?
1641. # [15:26] <jorendorff> the "jssubscript-loader" service doesn't seem to be working, it says "Exception: undefined".
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1645. # [15:27] <@ted> jorendorff: subscript loader used to work
1646. # [15:27] <@ted> but it's weird
1647. # [15:27] <jorendorff> what's weird? the scratchpad environment?
1648. # [15:28] <jorendorff> or, just, things generally
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1650. # [15:28] <jorendorff> because no argument there
1651. # [15:28] <glandium> ted: didn't you remove that? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/base/GeckoThread.java#72
1652. # [15:28] <@ted> jorendorff: the subscript loader
1653. # [15:28] <@ted> it was kind of unloved, i think
1654. # [15:29] <jorendorff> ted: hmm. what kind of alternatives do i have?
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1656. # [15:29] <@ted> glandium: i removed it from GeckoAppShell
1657. # [15:29] <@ted> did someone put it back there? :-/
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1659. # [15:29] <glandium> ted: this one apparently dates from november
1660. # [15:29] <@ted> weirdc
1661. # [15:30] <@ted> jorendorff: looks like part of my extensiondev extension was using the subscript loader: http://code.google.com/p/extensiondev/source/browse/trunk/content/injector.js#34
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1664. # [15:31] <glandium> ted: maybe it hasn't been a problem because you tried with MOZ_LINKER_CACHE separate from /data/data/org.mozilla.fennec*/cache ?
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1666. # [15:31] <jorendorff> ted: oh, i'm just not using it right. thanks.
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1669. # [15:31] <@ted> jesse's JS shell uses javascript: URIs or <script> tags: http://code.google.com/p/extensiondev/source/browse/trunk/content/shell.html#62
1670. # [15:31] <jorendorff> ted: …spoke too soon, i was doing it right after all.
1671. # [15:32] <@ted> glandium: no, i had permission problems with that, i wound up using that cache dir
1672. # [15:32] <jorendorff> ted: yeah, i want to load the code directly into the chrome scratchpad, not into the page
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1674. # [15:32] <@ted> glandium: maybe i just didn't hit that code path somehow?
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1676. # [15:32] <@ted> jorendorff: but the scratchpad is some kind of page, right?
1677. # [15:32] <@ted> xul or html
1678. # [15:33] <@ted> *shrug*
1679. # [15:33] <jorendorff> huh, it has a document, so… maybe!
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1681. # [15:33] <@ted> i guess the whole point of the scratchpad is just to load code
1682. # [15:33] <jorendorff> i know right
1683. # [15:33] <@ted> so maybe you just read the file as a string and paste it into the edit box?
1684. # [15:33] <jorendorff> it's too big
1685. # [15:33] <@ted> there's a limit?
1686. # [15:33] <glandium> ted: i'm not sure how this could happen, since gecko initialization happens in sGeckoThread...
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1689. # [15:33] <jorendorff> it's too big for me to ask people to paste in
1690. # [15:34] <@ted> jorendorff: oh, this is for a screencast or something
1691. # [15:34] <jorendorff> something
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1693. # [15:35] <@ted> you could use NetUtil.jsm
1694. # [15:35] <@ted> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_code_modules/NetUtil.jsm#asyncFetch%28%29 + https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_code_modules/NetUtil.jsm#readInputStreamToString%28%29
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1697. # [15:35] <@ted> to get the contents of the file
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1701. # [15:37] <armenzg_brb> thanks jimm for those mozconfigs
1702. # [15:37] <armenzg_brb> I should have something by noon
1703. # [15:37] <jimm> sure
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1707. # [15:38] <@ted> jorendorff: your goal is to execute a bunch of code in the scratchpad, but not have to manually copy/paste it in or whatever
1708. # [15:38] <@ted> ?
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1710. # [15:38] <jorendorff> yes
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1712. # [15:39] <jorendorff> like, if i do File > Open, it just clobbers whatever I had in the window
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1714. # [15:39] <jorendorff> which isn't all that helpful
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1716. # [15:39] <@ted> gotcha
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1718. # [15:40] <@ted> you want File -> Insert
1719. # [15:40] <@ted> or something
1720. # [15:40] <jorendorff> yeah well what I really want is load(url)
1721. # [15:40] <@ted> sure
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1723. # [15:40] <jorendorff> anyway
1724. # [15:40] <jorendorff> later
1725. # [15:40] <@ted> insert a <script> tag :-P
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1728. # [15:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3240475004f4 - Serge Gautherie - Bug 632408. (Bv1) Improve newer test code some more. r=roc.
1729. # [15:45] <bjacob> glandium: it's working now!
1730. # [15:45] <Ms2ger> Uh-oh
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1737. # [15:47] <glandium> bjacob: \o/
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1742. # [15:48] <mayhemer> something strange happens on try: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11761909&tree=Try
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1745. # [15:51] <edmorley> informative commit messages \o/
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1748. # [15:52] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ping
1749. # [15:53] <bbondy> ejpbruel: pong
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1751. # [15:53] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i have to admit this BMP encoder is starting to frustate me
1752. # [15:53] <ejpbruel> bbondy: so theres an *undocumented* way to support alpha channel with v3 headers?
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1754. # [15:53] <ejpbruel> (had i known this up front, and had i not assumed that you were talking about the documented way to do it, i could have saved myself a weeks worth of work)
1755. # [15:53] <bbondy> unoficially documented maybe :)
1756. # [15:54] <ejpbruel> bbondy: its not on MSDN or the wiki page you pointed me to, thats for sure
1757. # [15:54] <ejpbruel> bbondy: MSDN even explicitly states that its not possibly *except* on windows CE
1758. # [15:54] <bbondy> ejpbruel: I did mention up front that you can probably use the 4th byte for the alpha channel
1759. # [15:54] <bbondy> link?
1760. # [15:55] <ejpbruel> bbondy: it doesnt state it in one sentence, and yes, you did mention it. im not blaming you :)
1761. # [15:55] <bbondy> ok :)
1762. # [15:55] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i was lead to believe that if you use the v3 header, the alpha byte will be ignored
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1765. # [15:55] <ejpbruel> bbondy: because thats what MSDN says about the v3 format, unless you use that win CE only bit flag
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1767. # [15:56] <ejpbruel> bbondy: is it still worthwhile to add v5 support?
1768. # [15:56] <bbondy> BI_ALPHABITFIELDS is the CE way, but I think you can just use the 4th byte for alpha. At least in the BMPs taht are inside icons I know you can. I've never tried it in BMPs themselves so not sure.
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1772. # [15:56] <ejpbruel> bbondy: right, so what youre saying is that everybody does it like this anyway even though its unofficial
1773. # [15:57] <ejpbruel> bbondy: that sounds more sensible :)
1774. # [15:57] <bbondy> I'm not against it, maybe some programs on the clipboard for example will support only V5 and so we will have better support for them
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1776. # [15:57] <ejpbruel> bbondy: yeah i guess. clipboard explicitly supports a CF_DIBV5 format, so why not?
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1779. # [15:57] <bbondy> ya
1780. # [15:57] <bbondy> we know chrome at least does v5 and as you found it auto converts to the older format
1781. # [15:58] <bbondy> you could maybe try searching their bug tracker to find a bug when they added it to see extra justification
1782. # [15:59] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i also got a comment in bugzilla that i probably shouldnt be using LCS_sRGB for the color space
1783. # [15:59] <ejpbruel> bbondy: im not sure if i understand why that is wrong
1784. # [15:59] <bbondy> ya I don't know too much about that but you could ask why there
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1786. # [15:59] <ejpbruel> already did, was hoping you'd have a quick answer :)
1787. # [16:00] <ejpbruel> my reasoning was that the alternative LCS_CALIBRATED requires us to set the white point and gamma values (which we dont do for v3 bitmaps either)
1788. # [16:00] <ejpbruel> ok, ill file the new patch in a bit
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1791. # [16:00] <bbondy> I implented the v3 header BMP format about 15 years ago and then did some work on refactoring it on our decoder, so don't know much beyond the v3 header.
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1795. # [16:03] <ejpbruel> bbondy: well dont get me wrong. i appreciate all the feedback youve given so far. thanks for being so responsive!
1796. # [16:03] <glandium> ah /. ... http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/05/15/1316229/mozilla-leaves-out-linux-for-initial-web-app-support
1797. # [16:03] <bbondy> np :)
1798. # [16:03] <ejpbruel> is m-c currently not compiling?
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1800. # [16:04] <ejpbruel> i get a Target: 'transform-sse2.obj' has multiple rules with commands error
1801. # [16:04] <bbondy> looks ok here https://tbpl.mozilla.org/
1802. # [16:04] <edmorley> ejpbruel: tbpl green
1803. # [16:04] <ejpbruel> I must be doing something wrong then
1804. # [16:04] <bbondy> clobber time :)
1805. # [16:04] <ejpbruel> if i simply erase my build dir after a pull, that should fix any lingering state i had from my previous build, rite?
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1810. # [16:06] <bbondy> whenever something strange happens like that I usually just delete my objdir and do a full build
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1812. # [16:07] <bbondy> this may work: make -f client.mk build_all_depend
1813. # [16:07] <jwatt> dbaron: are you aware of any existing bugs where restyles end up happening in the wrong document?
1814. # [16:07] <bbondy> or pymake if you use it (you should if you don't)
1815. # [16:07] <@dbaron> jwatt, no
1816. # [16:08] <jwatt> hmm
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1818. # [16:09] <ejpbruel> where and when can i find jgilbert?
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1820. # [16:10] <bbondy> phonebook says he's in MV so in a couple hours probably and here or in #gfx
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1824. # [16:11] <ejpbruel> thanks :)
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1833. # [16:19] <@ehsan> is there an experimental build of firefox with a script debugger which sort of works?
1834. # [16:20] <glandium> ehsan: i'd like a script profiler, more than a debugger
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1836. # [16:20] <@ehsan> glandium: I'd like that too, but right now I could really use a debugger :/
1837. # [16:21] <bbondy> NielAway: I implmeneted an encoder for the BMP format, specifically using the BITMAPV3INFOHEADER.
1838. # [16:21] <sheppy> Is it correct that the opus codec is only supported in ogg containers?
1839. # [16:21] <ejpbruel> bbondy: youve been at mozilla that long?
1840. # [16:21] <bbondy> well and decoder
1841. # [16:22] <bbondy> no this was just a side project I did because I was interested in steganography
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1845. # [16:24] <mib_fmgk3g> hello
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1847. # [16:24] <mib_fmgk3g> I want to develop a extension of firefox.
1848. # [16:25] <ejpbruel> steganography is fascinating. would love to learn more about that
1849. # [16:25] <ejpbruel> mib_fmgk3g: if what youre trying to write is an addon (not a plugin) youll have better luck in the #jetpack channel
1850. # [16:26] <mib_fmgk3g> thank you .I even don't know whether it should be a addon or a plugin.
1851. # [16:28] <mib_fmgk3g> do there exist someway to call the native method(like the dll) in the firefox addon or plugin?
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1855. # [16:30] <NeilAway> bbondy: ah, fair enough
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1861. # [16:31] <bbondy> ya I didn't mean in the mozilla code base, just an implementation of it unrelated to mozilla.
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1870. # [16:34] <ejpbruel> mib_fmgk3g: so addons are usually not written in C++. they use HTML, XUL, JS, and XPCOM, stuff like that. if you want to write stuff in C++ that interfaces with the firefox codebase, that would be a plugin
1871. # [16:34] <ejpbruel> mib_fmgk3g: most of the time you dont need to write stuff in C++, since XPCOM allows you to call native methods from JS
1872. # [16:35] <ejpbruel> mib_fmgk3g: by far the easiest way to write addons is to use the jetpack SDK, which is mozillas own addon SDK
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1899. # [16:51] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: I'd accept ∞ ;-)
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1912. # [16:56] <smontagu> Ms2ger: why not ℵ⁰?
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1914. # [16:57] * jwir3|away is now known as jwir3
1915. # [16:57] <smontagu> (note that U+2135 is left-to-right, so will not cause bidi confusion)
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1917. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> Because I'm not a computer :)
1918. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> (Contrary to popular belief)
1919. # [16:58] <smontagu> you mean literally by hand?
1920. # [16:58] <johanc> I'm unable to build after "pull -u"
1921. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> Yes
1922. # [16:58] <johanc> "<libs> found error"
1923. # [16:59] <johanc> windows, pymake
1924. # [16:59] <smontagu> Ms2ger: http://www.levsoftware.com/a_alef.htm
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1926. # [17:00] <NeilAway> smontagu++
1927. # [17:00] <Ms2ger> I see
1928. # [17:01] <Ms2ger> Thanks
1929. # [17:01] <edmorley> johanc: are you using the latest version of MozillaBuild? (1.6)
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1931. # [17:01] <NeilAway> smontagu: so, which is the RTL alpeh?
1932. # [17:01] <johanc> edmorley: recent update to mozillabuild?
1933. # [17:01] <smontagu> NeilAway: U+05D0
1934. # [17:01] <NeilAway> or aleph, once I learn to type
1935. # [17:01] <edmorley> johanc: few months ago
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1938. # [17:02] <johanc> edmorley: ah, using 1.5.1 apparently
1939. # [17:02] <smontagu> NeilAway: although "the" is not so appropriate
1940. # [17:03] <edmorley> johanc: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/libraries/win32/MozillaBuildSetup-Latest.exe and you'll need to clobber after changing version
1941. # [17:03] <smontagu> U+05D0 is the canonical Hebrew RTL aleph without additions
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1944. # [17:04] <NeilAway> smontagu: it's the one that corresponds to U+2135 ?
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1946. # [17:04] <smontagu> it's the one that looks most like U+2135
1947. # [17:05] <johanc> edmorley: sorry, clobber? :)
1948. # [17:05] <smontagu> there are 131 Unicode characters which are some form of alef in some language
1949. # [17:06] <jwir3> johanc: "Clobber" means a clean build from scratch - e.g. remove everything in your objdir
1950. # [17:06] <edmorley> johanc: clear out the obj directory
1951. # [17:06] <NeilAway> smontagu: wait, "most like"?
1952. # [17:06] <smontagu> NeilAway: what are you asking?
1953. # [17:06] <johanc> delete the files in the obj dir manually?
1954. # [17:07] <jwir3> johanc: Yeah, that's the easiest way
1955. # [17:07] <edmorley> johanc: yeah, just delete the whole directory
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1957. # [17:07] <johanc> edmorley: jwir3 thanks :)
1958. # [17:07] <NeilAway> smontagu: am I to understand that U+2135 isn't actually the same as any real aleph?
1959. # [17:07] <edmorley> np
1960. # [17:07] <johanc> oh, my mq's will be safe I take it?
1961. # [17:08] <jwir3> johanc: You have a separate source dir from your objdir, correct?
1962. # [17:08] <smontagu> NeilAway: in maths texts it usually appears in a font which today looks archaic for hebrew
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1964. # [17:08] <smontagu> but apart from that it's the same as U+05D0
1965. # [17:08] <NeilAway> smontagu: ah, so in theory there could be an "archaic Hebrew" font, and they would look the same in that font?
1966. # [17:09] * smontagu backtracks a bit from "archaic"
1967. # [17:09] <johanc> jwir3: obj dir in source dir
1968. # [17:09] <jwir3> johanc: Ah, then probably you should move it.
1969. # [17:09] <smontagu> NeilAway: let's say "old-fashioned"
1970. # [17:09] <jwir3> johanc: Add the following to your .mozconfig
1971. # [17:10] <jwir3> johanc: mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=@TOPSRCDIR@/../obj
1972. # [17:10] <johanc> a
1973. # [17:10] <johanc> oops
1974. # [17:10] <johanc> jwir3: this adds the obj dir to the parent dir?
1975. # [17:10] <jwir3> johanc: That will put your objdir in the directory 'obj', one level above your source directory
1976. # [17:10] <johanc> quite
1977. # [17:10] <jwir3> johanc: yes
1978. # [17:10] <johanc> jwir3: and that's the .mozconfig file in the source dir, correct?
1979. # [17:10] <jwir3> johanc: Yes
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1982. # [17:11] <johanc> jwir3: ++ thank you :)
1983. # [17:11] <jwir3> johanc: Then you can just build, since there won't be anything in that directory, it'll automatically be a clobber build
1984. # [17:11] <jwir3> np
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1989. # [17:13] <jorendorff> where would i file a bug about upgrading http://hg.mozilla.org to a more recent hgweb?
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1994. # [17:15] <jwir3> mw22: ping?
1995. # [17:16] <mw22> jwir3, pong
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1997. # [17:16] <edmorley> johanc: unfortunately I've just tried locally and had issues too, and found bug 755277 filed today
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2000. # [17:17] * edmorley changes topic to 'pymake bustage: bug 755277 | PGO failure resolved for now, but be gentle, we're still close to the PGO limit || Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-05 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ || mozilla::TimeStamp errors: update your tree and clobber'
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2002. # [17:17] <jwir3> mw22: Thanks for posting the testcase in bug 749186. I'm trying to reproduce. I've installed the special powers xpi you posted, but is there anything special I need to do to get it to recognize the attachment? When I load the attachment, I get the following in the console:[10:07:08.310] Error: A script from "https://bug749186.bugzilla.mozilla.org" was denied UniversalXPConnect privileges. @ https://bug749186.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=622687:6
2003. # [17:17] <johanc> edmorley: ah, that's probably it, nice find
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2005. # [17:18] <johanc> edmorley: still, might as well update mozillabuild
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2007. # [17:18] <edmorley> johanc: yeah was worth doing anyway at least :-)
2008. # [17:18] <mw22> jwir3, you need to use the testcase, that uses the specialpowers api: https://bug749186.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=622688
2009. # [17:18] <edmorley> johanc: please can you post in the bug with error + mozconfig
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2011. # [17:19] <johanc> the latest version should fix the command line not clearing itself after exiting emacs
2012. # [17:19] <johanc> I hope
2013. # [17:19] <mw22> jwir3, the testcase with UniversalXPConnect privs is difficult to set up in current trunk build, because they removed the UI for it
2014. # [17:19] <johanc> edmorley: sure thing, we can I find the error? :)
2015. # [17:20] <johanc> log
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2020. # [17:22] <edmorley> johanc: the last few lines in the console :-)
2021. # [17:22] <johanc> edmorley: ah, was afraid of that
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2026. # [17:23] <edmorley> or if it looks the same as my comment in the bug, just reply with that :-)
2027. # [17:23] <johanc> edmorley: closed it, i'll rebuild
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2029. # [17:23] <jwir3> mw22: Ah, whoops. I have the wrong attachment. Thx.
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2038. # [17:26] <johanc> edmorley: ah, slight problem, started building in a new obj dir, still waking up
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2045. # [17:32] <jwir3> mw22: Does that testcase crash consistently for you? I can't seem to get it to crash, either on my mobile device or on my linux desktop build. They may be old, though, so let me see if it crashes my current trunk...
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2051. # [17:33] <mw22> jwir3, yes, it's crashing consistently for me
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2053. # [17:34] <mw22> I've tested it on windows7
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2059. # [17:40] <johanc> edmorley: getting a different when building a clobber build, might be related to an unsuccessful mozilla-builds uninstall though, know of a proper way to uninstall mozilla-builds, or is deleting the folder the only option?
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2065. # [17:42] <johanc> edmorley: most likely related to the failed uninstall, not getting the same error as I got before, probably not worth adding to the bug with, sorry :(
2066. # [17:42] <johanc> same on a normal build in the old obj dir
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2070. # [17:43] <jlebar> 2g
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2075. # [17:43] <edmorley> johanc: to uninstall mozillabuild you just delete the old directory (if you overwrote instead, you'll want to make sure you delete and extract fresh)
2076. # [17:43] <jlebar> smaug, With the |new window.Event()| syntax, how do I specify that my event bubbles?
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2080. # [17:44] <johanc> edmorley: no, didn't overwrite, tried removing it, said it was running, couldnt delete.
2081. # [17:45] <edmorley> johanc: ah, that would be the ssh-agent, end task it before removing
2082. # [17:45] <edmorley> johanc: also, seems like glandium is on bug 755277 already :-)
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2086. # [17:45] <johanc> edmorley: great :)
2087. # [17:45] <glandium> edmorley: and i have a patch
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2089. # [17:46] <johanc> edmorley: btw, nevermind what I said about the error not matching, I'm getting a similiar error-msg
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2092. # [17:46] <glandium> edmorley, johanc: try this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640393
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2097. # [17:48] <mw22> jwir3, perhaps you need to tweak the numbers in the testcase to get the crash? the "font.size.inflation.emPerLine" pref numbers, I mean
2098. # [17:49] <jwir3> mw22: Perhaps. I'll try that
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2112. # [17:54] <johanc> glandium: sorry for asking a stupid question,
2113. # [17:54] <johanc> glandium: should make a new mq out of that and build?
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2115. # [17:54] <glandium> johanc: you can do however you like it
2116. # [17:54] <edmorley> glandium: building now (conflicts then mercurial locking up \o/)
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2123. # [17:57] <@smaug> jlebar: new Event("foo", { bubbles: true });
2124. # [17:57] <jlebar> smaug, Thanks. (Is this documented somewhere? That would not have been my first or second guess...)
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2126. # [17:58] <@smaug> jlebar: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/domcore/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#interface-event
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2129. # [17:59] <johanc> glandium: edmorley patching failed
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2131. # [17:59] <edmorley> johanc: conflicts?
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2133. # [18:00] <johanc> edmorley: hunk failed, rejects, adding manually
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2135. # [18:00] <edmorley> glandium: I've now got http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640417 but maybe needed to clobber after the initial failure?
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2138. # [18:02] <johanc> building
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2143. # [18:03] <edmorley> wtf? "ccrreeaattiinngg ggffxx//ccaaiirroo//claiibrpoi/xsmracn//Msarkce/fMialkee"
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2146. # [18:03] <johanc> oh dear
2147. # [18:03] <edmorley> unrelated no doubt, but an interesting line in the log
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2149. # [18:04] <jhammel> maybe your computer is just stuttttttering
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2153. # [18:04] <jwir3> mw22: Does it happen in debug builds for you as well?
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2156. # [18:05] <mw22> jwir3, I only tried a recent trunk build
2157. # [18:05] <jwir3> mw22: Ok
2158. # [18:05] <Wes> edmorley: simultaneous write of two almost identifical message via parallel makes that, for whatever reason, use unbufferred outputs?
2159. # [18:07] <edmorley> Wes: I'm using time pymake -s -f client.mk > $LOGS_DIR/_build.log 2>&1
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2161. # [18:08] <Wes> edmorley: I don't know pymake, but since stderr is unbufferred, I'm still happy with my hypothesis. :)
2162. # [18:08] <edmorley> :-)
2163. # [18:09] <jhammel> edmorley: OS?
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2165. # [18:09] <edmorley> win7
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2167. # [18:09] <jhammel> that explains it
2168. # [18:09] <jhammel> ted has strong feelings about what windows does with output streams ;)
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2176. # [18:11] <johanc> edmorley: glandium It's still building, so that probably did it
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2180. # [18:13] <edmorley> yeah same here
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2185. # [18:14] <johanc> should know for sure in ~50 minutes
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2191. # [18:15] <edmorley> cpearce: do you know if you'll be able to take a look at some of the pointerlock api test oranges this week? they're getting pretty frequent
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2198. # [18:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dec88052cb7f - Dão Gottwald - Backed out changeset a39b32ce55d1
2199. # [18:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/20b3248bc417 - Dão Gottwald - merge backout
2200. # [18:18] <johanc> edmorley: while we're on the subject, is "pymake -f client.mk" enough to make a clobber build? :)
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2203. # [18:19] <@khuey> no
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2205. # [18:19] <@ted> Wes: windows is actually incredibly weird, in that it has no line-buffered mode for file descriptors
2206. # [18:19] <@ted> only unbuffered and block buffered
2207. # [18:20] <@ted> so you have your choice of "output jumbled by character" and "output jumbled by page-sized buffer"
2208. # [18:21] <Wes> ted: *wow*. Now that you mention it, I had similar issues in DOS under DESQview but that....wasn't recently :)
2209. # [18:21] <@ted> edmorley's output looks to be the former
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2215. # [18:25] <edmorley> johanc: if you've manually removed the objdir, then yeah that's all you need to run, presuming you've aliased pymake
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2217. # [18:25] <edmorley> johanc: eg this is what I use in my .profile http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640428
2218. # [18:25] <johanc> edmorley: glandium I'm getting errors still
2219. # [18:25] <johanc> pastebinning
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2224. # [18:26] <johanc> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640429
2225. # [18:26] <romaxa> taras: ping
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2230. # [18:27] <bbondy> coffee time
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2232. # [18:27] <taras> romaxa: sup
2233. # [18:28] <johanc> edmorley: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640430 what I have
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2236. # [18:31] <romaxa> taras: have you ever investigated problems with sql db performance, I have beagleboard with sdcard(slow fs) and gecko on startup and later commiting to db very much... is there are any way to delay commits, or make it less hurt to gecko thread
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2239. # [18:32] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping
2240. # [18:32] <Yoric> ttaubert: One more question about PageThumbs storage :)
2241. # [18:32] <romaxa> taras: or maybe you know who more expert in that area
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2243. # [18:32] <taras> romaxa: yes
2244. # [18:32] <taras> a) we are stupid for comitting to sql on startup
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2246. # [18:33] <taras> b) you'd have to make a hack
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2248. # [18:33] <taras> there are a couple of tricks you can do
2249. # [18:33] <taras> you can use an async sqlite vfs
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2251. # [18:34] <taras> you can also wrap sqlite stuff in an extra transaction
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2253. # [18:34] <taras> (though some sqlite operations abort transactions)
2254. # [18:34] <taras> romaxa: i think the easiest thing is to do an sqlite thing
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2256. # [18:34] <taras> where fsync is a no-op
2257. # [18:34] <taras> and then fsync later
2258. # [18:34] <taras> i think we even have some code for that somewhere
2259. # [18:35] <romaxa> taras: any links to that code?
2260. # [18:35] <taras> romaxa: once vladan comes in
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2262. # [18:35] <taras> romaxa: what device is this on?
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2264. # [18:35] <romaxa> taras: ^ beagleboard omap3
2265. # [18:35] <taras> romaxa: and is this is standard fennec?
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2267. # [18:35] <ttaubert> Yoric: pong
2268. # [18:36] <Yoric> ttaubert: I have privacy questions :)
2269. # [18:36] <taras> romaxa: also, why the heck is bb3 so damn slow?
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2271. # [18:36] <romaxa> taras: mostly I play with embedding, but fennec and b2g have same problems
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2274. # [18:36] <taras> i thought we were doing 10mb+ IO on harmattan
2275. # [18:36] <Yoric> ttaubert: Firstly, do we want these thumbnails to survive process exit?
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2277. # [18:36] <romaxa> taras: that is different project ;)
2278. # [18:36] <taras> romaxa: i don't get why io got slower on newer gen hw/sw
2279. # [18:37] <taras> damn ICS seems to be doing 1mb/s io on my nexus s :(
2280. # [18:37] <taras> pos
2281. # [18:37] <Yoric> ttaubert: Secondly, is it a problem if |wipe| does not remove files immediately but as a background task?
2282. # [18:37] <ttaubert> Yoric: so the 2nd question is... I *think* it is okay to do that as a background task. would be actually better because it doesn't block but does it support wiping on shutdown?
2283. # [18:38] <ttaubert> Yoric: what do you mean by surviving process exit?
2284. # [18:38] <romaxa> taras: I tried to run embedding without profile directory/service specified, and tha tis super fast... would be nice to have option where we store data in mem, and do fsync only when needed
2285. # [18:39] <Yoric> I mean, is it ok if files are created and deleted immediately so that they actually disappear once the process exits?
2286. # [18:39] <taras> romaxa: yeah it would be nice to not have idiotic sqlite usage that requires sketchy hacks
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2288. # [18:39] * Yoric doesn't remember if you can copy such a file, though.
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2291. # [18:39] <taras> romaxa: there are some safety concerns
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2293. # [18:39] <taras> from not doing it on application level
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2295. # [18:40] <ttaubert> Yoric: we want them to survive restarts, definitely
2296. # [18:40] <Yoric> ttaubert: ok
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2298. # [18:40] <Yoric> They are in /tmp, though, aren't they?
2299. # [18:40] <romaxa> taras: forn N9 default browser I remember we did dbCommit in different thread in order to avoid blocking UI on commit transactions
2300. # [18:41] <ttaubert> Yoric: nah, $profile/thumbnails/
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2302. # [18:41] <Yoric> (or is that just for the tests?)
2303. # [18:41] <Matt> make[6]: *** No rule to make target `typelib.py', needed by `export'. Stop.
2304. # [18:41] <Matt> is this a known issue?
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2306. # [18:41] <Matt> I hosed something on my system switching from MacPorts to Homebrew
2307. # [18:41] <Yoric> Ok, $profile is probably somewhere in /tmp when we execute tests.
2308. # [18:41] <taras> romaxa: when you do fsync, it doesn't matter wht thread you do it in :)
2309. # [18:41] <Matt> but I reconfigured and it's still barfing on type lib.py
2310. # [18:41] <ttaubert> Yoric: oh, yes
2311. # [18:41] <taras> cos it'll only give you a breather until subsequent io
2312. # [18:42] <@ted> Matt: hm, not sure: khuey?
2313. # [18:42] <taras> which we have a lot of i
2314. # [18:42] <romaxa> taras: ok, share me the link with fsync hack
2315. # [18:42] <taras> romaxa: still waiting on vladan, not sure how far we got with that
2316. # [18:42] <taras> he had 2 approaches
2317. # [18:42] <taras> one was to modify code to preinit databases
2318. # [18:42] <taras> and one was to do sqlite vfs hack
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2322. # [18:43] <taras> romaxa: if you just need a hack, http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/storage/src/TelemetryVFS.cpp.html#l177
2323. # [18:44] <taras> comment out the sync there
2324. # [18:44] <taras> and havesome thread fsync it later
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2326. # [18:44] * Yoric still prefers the sqlite vfs hack :)
2327. # [18:44] <taras> Yoric: do you have the link?
2328. # [18:44] <Yoric> For the bug?
2329. # [18:45] <Yoric> Let me look.
2330. # [18:45] <Yoric> Wasn't it bug 691268?
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2332. # [18:46] <Yoric> And bug 692408 .
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2334. # [18:46] <Matt> ted: hmmm, I cleaned my tree and updated to the latest sources and it seems to be working
2335. # [18:46] <Matt> maybe I hacked my tree and forgot about it
2336. # [18:47] <Matt> if I google a build error and come up empty that usually means User Error
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2339. # [18:48] <jlebar> smaug, So I'm looking at window.alert and friends...
2340. # [18:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9081fd136c43 - Gregory Szorc - Merge m-c into s-c
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2342. # [18:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/32694ba93e06 - Raymond Lee - Bug 721283 - TPS driver should unload observers on exit r=gps
2343. # [18:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8fe7cd8939a0 - Gregory Szorc - Merge services-central into mozilla-central
2344. # [18:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2ced009d1831 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 753515 - Move json{Load,Save} from services-sync into services-common; r=mconnor
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2346. # [18:48] <jlebar> smaug, It seems to me that what we want is a call from the child to the parent that blocks the child, but that the parent can return from at its leisure.
2347. # [18:48] <Yoric> taras: ^
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2349. # [18:49] <jlebar> smaug, atm, as soon as the parent returns from handling the sync message, the child is unblocked.
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2358. # [18:50] <@smaug> jlebar: you can't block the child
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2361. # [18:50] <@smaug> jlebar: you should do spin the event loop
2362. # [18:51] <@smaug> s/do//
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2364. # [18:51] <jlebar> smaug, Why can't I use sendSyncMessage(), ooc?
2365. # [18:51] <jlebar> smaug, Does that block everything in the child process?
2366. # [18:51] <Yoric> So, I have a task that probably needs to be executed by a background thread.
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2369. # [18:51] <@smaug> jlebar: pretty much so
2370. # [18:51] <jlebar> smaug, I see. I think that answers my question, then. :)
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2373. # [18:52] <@smaug> jlebar: at least it would be pretty huge change comparing to how alert() works in non-OOP
2374. # [18:52] <Yoric> Do I have a way to 1/ start this task once shutdown has started (probably easy with an observer) 2/ ensure that this task is complete before finishing shutdown?
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2380. # [18:53] <romaxa> taras: nice, one more wontfix... I hoped that there are plans to run b2g on low end devices for 5 $...
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2382. # [18:53] <@ehsan> bjacob: so.. the webgl spec for hint just links to glHint, does that mean that they should accept the same hints?
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2384. # [18:54] <bjacob> ehsan: yes
2385. # [18:54] <bjacob> gl.GENERATE_MIPMAP_HINT
2386. # [18:55] <bjacob> ehsan: this function is so useful by itself that we considered dropping all the other webgl functions
2387. # [18:55] <@ehsan> bjacob: oh, ok, so it (obviously) won't accept the OpenGL hints
2388. # [18:55] <@ehsan> like GL_PERSPECTIVE_CORRECTION_HINT
2389. # [18:55] <bjacob> nope
2390. # [18:55] <bjacob> because
2391. # [18:55] <bjacob> hm
2392. # [18:55] <bjacob> would this even apply to webgl?
2393. # [18:55] <@ehsan> well, that's part of OpenGL, not OpenGL ES
2394. # [18:55] <@ehsan> so I guess no
2395. # [18:55] <bjacob> not sure what this does
2396. # [18:56] <@ehsan> bjacob: http://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man/xhtml/glHint.xml
2397. # [18:56] <bjacob> but 'perspective correction' brings back 1996 memories
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2399. # [18:56] <Yoric> romaxa: : « WONTFIXing until we have some data », so nothing final.
2400. # [18:57] <@ehsan> heh
2401. # [18:57] <ejpbruel> bbondy: so it looks like im seeing errors when building with pymake, not when i use normal make :(
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2403. # [18:58] <glandium> johanc: that doesn't look very much related (c:\firefox-src\mozilla-central\gfx\2d\Tools.h(81) : error C3861: 'hypotf': identifier not found)
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2405. # [18:58] <edmorley> philor|away: have you seen anything like this before? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11753215&tree=Fx-Team
2406. # [18:58] <bbondy> how are you building?
2407. # [18:58] <bbondy> should be like this: python -OO build/pymake/make.py -f client.mk > out.txt 2>&1
2408. # [18:58] <edmorley> ejpbruel: have you seen 755277
2409. # [18:58] <johanc> glandium: sorry, which pastebin are you reading from?
2410. # [18:59] <gps> bbondy: don't use -O with python
2411. # [18:59] <johanc> glandium: I added the correct error-log to the bug, my latest post
2412. # [18:59] <gps> it disables asserts and doesn't actually optimize anything
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2415. # [19:00] <ejpbruel> firebot: bug 755277
2416. # [19:00] <bbondy> oh ok
2417. # [19:00] <bbondy> thx
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2419. # [19:00] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755277 blo, --, ---, mh+mozilla, NEW, Build bustage (MSVC10, pymake): Target 'pixman-mmx.obj' has multiple rules with commands | Target 't
2420. # [19:00] <glandium> johanc: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640450
2421. # [19:00] <romaxa> Yoric: ah, it just bugzilla/management wontfix, and work is ongoing and as soon it near to land it will be reopnened? Am I understood correctly?
2422. # [19:01] <johanc> glandium: oh
2423. # [19:01] <johanc> that's the right one
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2425. # [19:01] <ejpbruel> edmorley: that looks very similar to my problem. thanks!
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2428. # [19:02] <johanc> bbondy: were you asking me?
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2430. # [19:02] <ejpbruel> any workaround for that bug?
2431. # [19:02] <glandium> ejpbruel: patch in the bug
2432. # [19:02] <edmorley> ejpbruel: apply the patch attached
2433. # [19:02] <taras> romaxa: i said it'd be a hack
2434. # [19:02] <bbondy> johanc: no I was responding to ejpbruel
2435. # [19:03] <johanc> bbondy: ah, sorry
2436. # [19:03] <bbondy> np :)
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2438. # [19:03] <Yoric> romaxa: Nothing that glorious.
2439. # [19:03] <johanc> edmorley: did your build finish successfully?
2440. # [19:03] <Yoric> romaxa: Nobody working on it atm.
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2442. # [19:04] <edmorley> johanc: yes, after I fixed a typo made during manually applying (because of conflicts) and then clobbering
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2445. # [19:04] <johanc> oh you have to clobber to make it work with this patch?
2446. # [19:04] <Yoric> ttaubert: Mmmhh... If we do this asynchronously, we should ensure that files are removed even if the process quits unexpectedly.
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2448. # [19:05] <glandium> edmorley: m-i is not merged yet, right?
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2450. # [19:05] <glandium> johanc: you shouldn't have to clobber
2451. # [19:05] <edmorley> glandium: the regressing bug was merged earlier
2452. # [19:05] <glandium> johanc: but again, your new error has nothing to do with that bug
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2454. # [19:06] <glandium> edmorley: where should i land then?
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2458. # [19:07] <edmorley> glandium: m-c and I'll p[ull over if that's ok :-)
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2460. # [19:08] <glandium> edmorley: ok
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2466. # [19:09] <taras> Yoric: no
2467. # [19:09] <taras> Yoric: just rename files before you remove them
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2469. # [19:10] <taras> so then you can use the same to deem something as in need of deletion
2470. # [19:10] <taras> s/same/name/
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2475. # [19:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ad167725cba5 - Mike Hommey - Bug 741348 - Work around crashreporter client build failure with gcc 4.7. r=ted
2476. # [19:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d88acaf73675 - Mike Hommey - Bug 755206 - Use ANDROID_SERIAL for make install when defined. r=mfinkle
2477. # [19:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/00c7a320165b - Mike Hommey - Bug 755277 - Avoid duplicate rules after bug 748001. r=ted
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2479. # [19:11] <johanc> glandium: I pushed and built with this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640477
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2486. # [19:12] <johanc> I'll update mozilla-builds and see if that fixes it
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2489. # [19:14] <Yoric> taras: Yes, I am moving them to a kill directory.
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2492. # [19:14] <Yoric> taras: It is still a little more complex than what I had in mind initially.
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2494. # [19:15] <qheaden> What Linux disto do the Linux build servers use?
2495. # [19:16] <bhearsum> qheaden: we build on CentOS 5.0
2496. # [19:16] <bhearsum> with a bunch of upgraded libraries and a new compiler
2497. # [19:16] <bhearsum> the test machines (where unittests and talos are run) run Fedora 16
2498. # [19:16] <qheaden> Oh okay.
2499. # [19:17] <bhearsum> is there anything i can help with?
2500. # [19:17] <@bsmedberg> ted: I'm going to use abspath instead of normpath for the nsinstall.py -X patch, ok?
2501. # [19:17] <glandium> johanc: try adding #include <math.h> in gfx/2d/Tools.h
2502. # [19:17] <msucan> if i have a window object and an nsidocshell how can i get to the nsiwebprogress?
2503. # [19:17] <glandium> bhearsum: the test machines have been upgraded?
2504. # [19:18] <qheaden> bhearsum: No, I was just wondering. You guys should also add a Linux build server to test Debian/Ubuntu builds.
2505. # [19:18] <bhearsum> glandium: oops, sorry
2506. # [19:18] <bhearsum> glandium: they're Fedora 12 :P
2507. # [19:18] <qheaden> Like the other day, the Ubuntu builds were broken.
2508. # [19:18] <bhearsum> qheaden: we don't do any distro-specific buildsn
2509. # [19:18] <Yoric> ttaubert: Do we have a bound on the number of files in that directory?
2510. # [19:18] <bhearsum> CentOS is our build platform, but we produce distro-independent tarballs
2511. # [19:18] <bhearsum> we don't ship RPMs or DEBs
2512. # [19:18] <qheaden> bhearsum: Yeah, I can understand that. You would need a ton of different build machines to keep up with all of the distros.
2513. # [19:19] <bhearsum> yeah, we rely on the distros to do that sort of thing
2514. # [19:19] <Yoric> ttaubert: I am wondering if I need to make efforts to ensure that background removal of files is not too long, or if I can just assume that blocking the background thread during the deletion is ok.
2515. # [19:19] <bhearsum> we don't have the resources to support distro-integrated packages
2516. # [19:19] <glandium> qheaden: that was a problem with gcc 4.7, not ubuntu
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2518. # [19:19] <qheaden> glandium: Ahh ok.
2519. # [19:19] <glandium> qheaden: note that gcc 4.7 may be actually miscompiling our codebase
2520. # [19:19] <glandium> qheaden: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754554
2521. # [19:19] <cers> can anyone explain to me how the links at the bottom of about:home actually do anything? They're buttons, but I don't see any js that would make them perform an action...
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2526. # [19:22] <ejpbruel> make[4]: *** No rule to make target `../reflect/xptcall/src/libxptcmd.a.desc', needed by `.deps/libs'. Stop.
2527. # [19:22] <ejpbruel> this line look familiar to anyone on osx?
2528. # [19:22] <johanc> glandium: buildining with that
2529. # [19:22] <@ted> bsmedberg: okay
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2532. # [19:22] <glandium> ejpbruel: in what directory?
2533. # [19:23] <ejpbruel> glandium: what do you mean? this happens when i invoke make from my obj dir
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2535. # [19:23] <glandium> ejpbruel: what are the last lines of output?
2536. # [19:24] <ejpbruel> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640507
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2540. # [19:25] <glandium> mmmmm google is reportedly working on chrome for ios... i wonder if they're just using a webview, or actually expect to have the whole thing
2541. # [19:25] <ttaubert> Yoric: clearing private data is all sync now. you'd implement the first part that is async
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2544. # [19:26] <Yoric> ttaubert: Yeah me :)
2545. # [19:26] <glandium> ejpbruel: try make -C reflect/xptcall/src
2546. # [19:26] <Yoric> ttaubert: Still, any idea of duration for that removal?
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2548. # [19:26] <Yoric> ttaubert: I mean, I can write a (probably reusable) loop that slowly removes stuff, I just wonder if it is necessary.
2549. # [19:27] <ttaubert> Yoric: I know the cache does it that way. it renames the directory and removes it on the bg thread
2550. # [19:27] <ejpbruel> glandium: looks like that dir doesnt exist
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2553. # [19:27] <ejpbruel> any chance it got removed?
2554. # [19:27] <Yoric> ttaubert: Will in that case, I am already on the background thread :)
2555. # [19:27] <glandium> ejpbruel: err, xpcom/reflect/xptcall/src
2556. # [19:27] <Yoric> s/Will/Well/
2557. # [19:28] <ejpbruel> glandium: Eddy-Bruels-MacBook-Pro:obj-x86-debug ejpbruel$ make -C ../xpcom/reflect/xptcall/src/
2558. # [19:28] <ejpbruel> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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2560. # [19:28] <glandium> ejpbruel: no, really, make -C xpcom/reflect/xptcall/src/
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2562. # [19:29] <ttaubert> Yoric: I have no idea if it's ok to block the bg thread. no idea who to ask about that
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2564. # [19:29] <Yoric> ttaubert: I guess I will just test.
2565. # [19:29] <Yoric> ttaubert: I will start by assuming that it is ok.
2566. # [19:29] <ejpbruel> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640511
2567. # [19:29] <Yoric> Unless taras thinks it is a bad idea.
2568. # [19:29] <ttaubert> Yoric: :)
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2570. # [19:31] <glandium> ejpbruel: you'd probably be better off clobbering
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2572. # [19:31] <ejpbruel> glandium: what is clobbering? :)
2573. # [19:31] <glandium> ejpbruel: remove your objdir
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2581. # [19:35] <chrisccoulson> qheaden, ubuntu builds are broken because nobody has been looking after them for more than a week ;)
2582. # [19:36] <glandium> chrisccoulson: btw, do you run the testsuites on ubuntu builds ?
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2584. # [19:36] <chrisccoulson> glandium, yeah, although i realized when i saw your bug that we don't run all the JS tests :(
2585. # [19:36] <chrisccoulson> including the ones that fail ;)
2586. # [19:36] <glandium> chrisccoulson: yeah, these are make check
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2588. # [19:37] <glandium> chrisccoulson: what tests do you run, then?
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2591. # [19:37] <edmorley> jlebar: new orange on your inbound push I believe
2592. # [19:38] <chrisccoulson> glandium, oh, we run make check :/
2593. # [19:38] <glandium> chrisccoulson: that's weird
2594. # [19:38] <chrisccoulson> also xpcshell-tests, reftest, crashtest and mochitest
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2596. # [19:38] <chrisccoulson> glandium, am i meant to run it also in js/src ?
2597. # [19:39] <glandium> chrisccoulson: i run all these plus jstestbrowser, but not mochitest, because they just take too long
2598. # [19:39] <glandium> chrisccoulson: no, it recurses in it by itself
2599. # [19:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, they take a long time for us too :)
2600. # [19:39] <chrisccoulson> hmmm
2601. # [19:39] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why i'm missing some tests then. will have to have a look at that
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2603. # [19:39] * glandium wishes testsuites could be run concurrently...
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2606. # [19:40] <glandium> but they can't because some tests bind an http server, and the port is not configurable
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2612. # [19:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we might want to actually start running tests across multiple machines, and outside of the build. not sure if that's possible yet
2613. # [19:41] <chrisccoulson> but we want to trigger test runs when dependencies of firefox are uploaded
2614. # [19:43] <glandium> chrisccoulson: that's possible, since that's what mozilla does, but it would need a special setup for ubuntu
2615. # [19:43] <chrisccoulson> that's ok :)
2616. # [19:43] <glandium> chrisccoulson: i want to do that locally, already
2617. # [19:43] <nemo> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3976812
2618. # [19:43] * qheaden thinks of making his own Ubuntu build server.
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2620. # [19:44] <glandium> chrisccoulson: one possibility would be to upload dummy packages that just run the tests with the resulting build.
2621. # [19:44] <qheaden> I use Ubuntu as my development OS, so if I run into any problems, I'll report them.
2622. # [19:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah, possibly. i haven't thought about it too much yet though :)
2623. # [19:45] <glandium> qheaden: you don't need a build server for that, then :)
2624. # [19:45] <qheaden> glandium: Weeelllll, I do have this little habit of being too lazy to update my local tree. :)
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2635. # [19:49] <gavin> taras: he's usually in SF
2636. # [19:49] <gavin> don't know where he is today, if you're asking specifically
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2638. # [19:51] <jlebar> edmorley, I should be the one apologizing. Sorry!
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2654. # [19:59] <edmorley> jlebar: that's ok :-)
2655. # [19:59] <tbsaunde> so, can someone tell me why https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=70a2a9aa8088 seems to just redirect to tbpl for try?
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2657. # [19:59] <edmorley> tbsaunde: it just shows your push for me
2658. # [19:59] <jlebar> tbsaunde, wfm
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2662. # [20:00] <tbsaunde> ok, very interesting
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2666. # [20:01] <taras> gavin: we will be in sf tommorrow
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2668. # [20:02] <taras> i'd like to talk about persona work
2669. # [20:02] <taras> and perf stuff in general
2670. # [20:02] <tbsaunde> edmorley: if you still have that open mind telling me if I had burning?
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2673. # [20:02] <gavin> taras: with me? I can be in SF tomorrow
2674. # [20:03] <taras> gavin: with zpao about personas, perf stuff with you
2675. # [20:03] <taras> gavin: i'm in mv today if you are here
2676. # [20:03] <gavin> yes, I am
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2678. # [20:03] <taras> gavin: oh well then :)
2679. # [20:03] <taras> lets chat after the platform meeting
2680. # [20:04] <edmorley> tbsaunde: have just been starring it, looks like pretty much ok apart from OS X 10.5 reftest failure on debug and opt: "type-overridden-by-server.html | image comparison"
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2682. # [20:05] <tbsaunde> edmorley: ok, thx
2683. # [20:05] <edmorley> tbsaunde: there is an xpcshell orange on 10.6, but think it might be an infra/slave thing, have retriggered
2684. # [20:05] <tbsaunde> I assume that's new?
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2686. # [20:06] <edmorley> tbsaunde: yes, and it is the same failure on both opt and debug, so looks suspicious
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2691. # [20:07] <tbsaunde> edmorley: exciting :( that patch only moves around code I don't know
2692. # [20:07] <Callek> bear-afk: ^ possibly infra?
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2695. # [20:08] <edmorley> Callek: the xpcshell failure I was talking about was https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11743275&tree=Try "OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/folders/Hs/HsDn6a9SG8idoIya6p9mtE+++TI/-Tmp-/tmpbvIIk9/Cache'"
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2697. # [20:09] <Waldo> gotta love temp-paths
2698. # [20:09] <johanc> glandium: no luck with adding #include <math.h> to Tools.h
2699. # [20:10] <johanc> glandium: mozilla-build 1.6, clobber build
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2713. # [20:18] <bonnie> jlebar, ping
2714. # [20:19] <jlebar> bonnie, ack
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2719. # [20:20] <bonnie> jlebar, awesome. so i'm using nsTObserverArray instead of nsTArray so that I can handle mutating observers. What is the equivalent of GreatestIndexLtEq in nsTObserverArray. THe .h file and the .cpp dont seem to have any options
2720. # [20:20] <jlebar> bonnie, If you don't see it there, it's probably not there. You can write your own with a for loop?
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2722. # [20:20] <philor> edmorley: bug 752243
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2724. # [20:21] <philor> edmorley: but no, I don't know anything about the bash segfault
2725. # [20:21] <bonnie> jlebar, actually you know what i believe jonas wrote it. i'll run over and ask him. true. but the review comment didn't want me to iterate through the array twice which makes sense. but if there is not alternative then i may just have to iterate
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2727. # [20:21] <jlebar> bonnie, GreatestIndexLtEq is almost surely iterating over the array.
2728. # [20:21] <jlebar> bonnie, How else would it work?
2729. # [20:21] <bonnie> jlebar, will scoot over to jonas and just check
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2731. # [20:22] <edmorley> philor: thank you :-)
2732. # [20:22] <@khuey> jlebar: guess and check? :-P
2733. # [20:22] <edmorley> tbsaunde: the xpcshell failure was known :-)
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2739. # [20:25] <ejpbruel> anyone know where and when i can reach ryanvm?
2740. # [20:25] <ejpbruel> jgriffin: ping
2741. # [20:25] <jgriffin> ejpbruel: pong
2742. # [20:25] <tbsaunde> edmorley: thx
2743. # [20:25] <ejpbruel> jgriffin: you r- my BMP encoder patch. i got most of your comments, except that we probably wont be using sRGB with v5 header bitmaps
2744. # [20:25] <edmorley> ejpbruel: he's normally on IRC from now onwards ish
2745. # [20:26] <ejpbruel> jgriffin: what should we be using
2746. # [20:26] <ejpbruel> edmorley: thanks ed, ill look out for him then
2747. # [20:26] <edmorley> ejpbruel: with nick RyanVM
2748. # [20:26] <jgriffin> ejpbruel: eh, I think you have the wrong person, since I have no idea what you're talking about :)
2749. # [20:26] <edmorley> np
2750. # [20:26] <jlebar> khuey, bogosearch? "Your puny caches are nothing to me!"
2751. # [20:26] <hub> is there any chance I can expose nsDeckFrame.h to the accessibility module?
2752. # [20:26] <@khuey> jlebar: :-D
2753. # [20:26] <jlebar> "I laugh in the face of data locality!"
2754. # [20:26] * jlebar could go on... :)
2755. # [20:26] <ejpbruel> jgriffin: crap :)
2756. # [20:27] <jgriffin> :)
2757. # [20:27] <ejpbruel> i need jgilbert, not griffin
2758. # [20:27] <jgriffin> heh
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2763. # [20:29] <bonnie> jlebar, yep agreed
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2765. # [20:30] <tbsaunde> hub: you should be able to already because we have layout/xul/base/src/ as a local include
2766. # [20:30] <bonnie> jlebar, so i can now just insert into the array and bypass the greatestindexlteq
2767. # [20:30] <cadecairos> Why might ogv and webm video not play on Firefox 12 on Fedora 16?
2768. # [20:30] <bonnie> jlebar, so all is good
2769. # [20:30] <bonnie> jlebar, thanks
2770. # [20:30] <hub> tbsaunde: not in Mac, but yeah, I guess that's what I should do. if you are ok with that, I am :-)
2771. # [20:30] <jlebar> bonnie, Happy to help. :)
2772. # [20:31] <bonnie> jlebar, :)
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2774. # [20:31] <hub> cadecairos: define "not play"
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2776. # [20:32] <cadecairos> well, they simply won't play. if I navigate directly to the videos, they'll just sti there, unable to start playback
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2778. # [20:33] <tbsaunde> hub: I tend to think I'd rather see it handled in cross platform code, but your free to run things by me
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2781. # [20:33] <cadecairos> oddly, it's not restricted to one host, all attempts to playback ogv or webm video get the same result
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2783. # [20:34] <zzzzz_> cadecairos: link to one that does not play ?
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2785. # [20:34] <jlebar> How do I substitute in my own implementation of nsPrompter.js (e.g. in B2G)?
2786. # [20:35] <cadecairos> zzzzz_: It's not any single video, its all of them. the browser just doesn't seem to be able to decode the video.
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2788. # [20:35] <zzzzz_> ok
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2791. # [20:35] <zzzzz_> no idea - I know youtube is having issues with html5 and some vids in flash
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2794. # [20:37] <mwu> jlebar: I would look at the fennec xul impl. mfinkle also might know
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2799. # [20:38] <jlebar> mfinkle, Now that I think about it, I want to wrap the original nsPrompter implementation.
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2801. # [20:40] <gozala> I'm looking for some way to watch file changes, is anyone aware if there is an API in shipped with platform to do that ?
2802. # [20:40] <@khuey> there is not
2803. # [20:41] <fabrice> jlebar: to wrap the original implementation, override the contract ID, but call the previous one using the component ID
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2807. # [20:42] <jlebar> fabrice, Well, suppose we're on Fennec, which has already overridden the contract ID. I'd want to wrap Fennec's implementation.
2808. # [20:42] <johanc> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640632 any idea what's wrong?
2809. # [20:42] <johanc> ^ running "pymake -f client.mk"
2810. # [20:43] <jlebar> fabrice, So I'd need to pull the contractid of the current implementation and then save that?
2811. # [20:43] <gozala> API to register protocol handler at OS level as an alternative that would work
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2813. # [20:43] <fabrice> jlebar: you can probably: 1) get the id of the current component implementing the contract 2) dynamically register you component
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2816. # [20:47] <jlebar> fabrice, Okay, I think I see how to do it. It looks like bonnie did something similar in her idle service test that I can steal... :)
2817. # [20:48] <bonnie> jlebar, yay i contributed to my fellow developers. please feel free to steal away. no worries :)
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2824. # [20:52] <armenzg_mtg> jimm: did you have to disable angle on your build?
2825. # [20:53] <armenzg_mtg> I am trying to figure that out
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2828. # [20:53] <cpeterson> Where can one download the "Suspend Background Tabs" addon mentioned in today's platform meeting?
2829. # [20:53] <jimm> did you install the directx sdk?
2830. # [20:53] <jimm> armenzg_mtg: ^
2831. # [20:53] <gcp> cpeterson: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/suspend-background-tabs/
2832. # [20:53] <jimm> armenzg_mtg: (btw, no you shouldn't have to disable angle)
2833. # [20:55] <armenzg_mtg> jimm: no, I didn't. I have version dx10
2834. # [20:55] <armenzg_mtg> whatever that is
2835. # [20:55] <armenzg_mtg> "C:\tools\sdks\dx10
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2837. # [20:55] <cpeterson> gcp, thanks. AMO's search is wonky. I searched for "suspend background tabs" and found nothing. I looked at Wladimir "AdBlock Plus" Palant's list of addons and it wasn't listed there either!
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2839. # [20:57] <jimm> armenzg_mtg: what made you ask the question about angle, some sort of compile error?
2840. # [20:57] <ejpbruel> gozala: you want file watchers a la node?
2841. # [20:57] <gozala> ejpbruel: yeah sort of
2842. # [20:57] <armenzg_mtg> jimm: correct
2843. # [20:57] <gozala> ejpbruel: In fact I want to communicate with external app
2844. # [20:57] <armenzg_mtg> I am trying to adjust to mozconfig values to see what is missing and what is not
2845. # [20:57] <ejpbruel> gozala: me and gabor actually wrote a C++ API for that once
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2848. # [20:57] <gozala> so either OS protocol handler or via files would work
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2850. # [20:59] <jimm> armenzg: what's the error, was it some sort of undefined symbol?
2851. # [20:59] <armenzg> jimm: do I need to export DXSDK_DIR='C:\Tools\sdks\dx10'
2852. # [21:00] <jimm> armenzg: that should get set by the console startup scripts, so it should already be set. can you do a 'set' in the build console to confirm?
2853. # [21:00] <jimm> armenzg: we might need to add your directx include folder to the include paths
2854. # [21:00] <armenzg> jimm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640640
2855. # [21:01] <jimm> armenzg: looks like the problem is with that sdk env variable. lemmie check.
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2857. # [21:01] <armenzg> OK
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2861. # [21:02] <jimm> armenzg: looks like it, check your env in the terminal, and make sure DXSDK_DIR points to the correct sdk location
2862. # [21:03] <jimm> armenzg: odd though I don't see that being exported in the build config scripts for mc builds.
2863. # [21:04] <philor> jlebar: omg, you killed Android ts! or not, it's sort of hard to tell the difference between it dead and alive
2864. # [21:04] * Mook_as wonders about armenzg's "reg" being missing
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2867. # [21:04] <jimm> Mook_as: yeah that looks bad as well
2868. # [21:04] <Mook_as> because http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#6005 seems to try to find DXSDK_DIR from the registry
2869. # [21:05] <jlebar> philor, Really?
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2871. # [21:05] <jlebar> philor, That would be pretty surprising.
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2877. # [21:07] <philor> jlebar: it's a delicate flower, a unique snowflake, a canary in a coal mine, a fragile piece of crap
2878. # [21:07] <jhammel> canary in a goldmine, itym
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2882. # [21:08] <@khuey> philor: are you talking about thunderbird or android?
2883. # [21:08] <jimm> Mook_as: looks what he really needs is MOZ_DIRECTX_SDK_PATH set correctly.
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2885. # [21:08] <@khuey> (http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/5544)
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2887. # [21:09] <Waldo> gps: ping?
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2890. # [21:10] <gps> Waldo: pong
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2892. # [21:10] * jlebar hopes philor is wrong and the burning is completely unrelated to his patch.
2893. # [21:10] <cpearce> edmorly, I have been working on the pointer lock orange. I think I've now figured them out, it should take a day or so to get a proper patch together to fix them.
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2897. # [21:12] <jwir3> does anyone happen to know what the frame poisioning address is on windows?
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2899. # [21:13] <gps> 42
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2901. # [21:14] <Waldo> gps: see my comment in bug 485255 :-\
2902. # [21:14] <gps> Waldo: I saw. Sync already uses the HTTP_* constants. the rest of the feedback is acceptable, I think
2903. # [21:14] <gps> I wasn't sure what was private and public
2904. # [21:14] <Waldo> gps: different bug
2905. # [21:15] <gps> doh
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2918. # [21:20] <armenzg> Mook_as: jimm maybe reg is not working?
2919. # [21:20] <armenzg> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#6005
2920. # [21:20] <edmorley> cpearce: that's great, thank you :-)
2921. # [21:20] <Mook_as> armenzg: yes, "reg: command not found" sounds like not working ;) did you remove %systemroot%/system32 from $PATH?
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2927. # [21:21] <Mook_as> it must still _exist_ on the machine, though, since guess-msvc* uses it to find MSVC and the SDKs, IIRC
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2933. # [21:24] <armenzg> Mook_as: I will work on it
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2956. # [21:37] <@smaug> jdm: seriously. Is GCC really warning about that.
2957. # [21:37] <@smaug> strange compiler
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2959. # [21:38] <jdm> smaug: yes, the default apple gcc does at least
2960. # [21:38] <@smaug> continue; in its own line sounds then better
2961. # [21:38] <jdm> smaug: it's not totally unreasonable; semicolon directly following a while is a mistake that can be made
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2965. # [21:41] <bent> continue rather than empty?
2966. # [21:41] * bent likes empty
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2972. # [21:42] <tbsaunde> bent: I'd agree, but apparently the gcc people don't
2973. # [21:42] <@smaug> bent: jdm: empty is ok too, but space and ; is not
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2975. # [21:42] <tbsaunde> jdm: so are a bunch of other things, for example every use of free :)
2976. # [21:42] <bent> yeah
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2978. # [21:43] <tbsaunde> the fact while (x) ; is fine makes no sense
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2989. # [21:46] <armenzg_brb> Mook_as: jimm here is the PATH before reg fails to be found
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2991. # [21:46] <armenzg> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640715
2992. # [21:47] <Mook_as> that appears to be chopped off; try `echo $PATH | | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us`
2993. # [21:47] <Mook_as> err, with fewer |s
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2995. # [21:48] <jhammel|lunch> you can throw a cat in the middle if you want ;)
2996. # [21:48] <Yoric> Where do I file bugs for the client side of BrowserID?
2997. # [21:48] <Mook_as> jhammel|lunch: that sounds inhumane
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3001. # [21:50] <jhammel|lunch> Mook_as: well, it would qualify as cat abuse ;) http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html
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3005. # [21:53] <armenzg> Mook_as: curl is not available on mozilla-build; I did echo $PATH > file
3006. # [21:53] <armenzg> but it has the same content
3007. # [21:54] <Mook_as> yeah, it's a problem with pastebin. try gist or pastie or something?
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3012. # [21:58] <jlebar> mounir, I have no idea what state the mozbrowser parent code is in. :(
3013. # [21:58] <dRdR> when naming new classes, the ns prefix should be avoided, right? even in things where everything is named that way like the xpcom folder
3014. # [21:58] <jlebar> mounir, Can you please land everything you have, so we can get to a state that I've r+'ed?
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3017. # [22:02] <armenzg> Mook_as: I don't think it is the web tool to paste to but it seems that PATH gets truncated on the build side
3018. # [22:03] <armenzg> which is odd
3019. # [22:03] <armenzg> I will verify this
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3023. # [22:06] <dRdR> what's the general naming structure for new helper classes, like data structs?
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3038. # [22:11] <qheaden> Is there an easy way I can find the parent chain of a class without having to search the headers?
3039. # [22:12] <qheaden> Like any class hierarchy documentation?
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3041. # [22:12] <Yoric|backup> qheaden: mxr?
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3043. # [22:13] <qheaden> Does mxr show relationships between classes in diagram form?
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3051. # [22:16] <jdm> qheaden: only in IDL files, I think
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3057. # [22:17] <jdm> mayhemer: what kind of init/cleanup are you looking for in my localstorage PB tests?
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3061. # [22:18] <bjacob> Waldo: see last comment, there's proof that compiled unit test failures in mfbt do give B oranges
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3076. # [22:26] <@roc> once in a while I'd like to be able to load a Web page and not see a Chrome ad
3077. # [22:26] <gcp> Install Chrome?
3078. # [22:26] <@khuey> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus
3079. # [22:26] <@roc> neveeeer
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3081. # [22:28] <gcp> put (like Chrome) in the UA string so google won't show the ads?
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3083. # [22:28] <mwu> (not Chrome)
3084. # [22:29] <gcp> (like Chrome, but better)
3085. # [22:29] <jhammel> or (I don't want to see Chrome ads)
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3090. # [22:31] <@smaug> roc: sorry, I'm late with Web Audio thing
3091. # [22:31] <@smaug> it actually looks even worse than I remembered
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3100. # [22:33] <@smaug> roc: WebAudio spec is so under-defined that it is hard to even review it
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3102. # [22:35] <@roc> yes
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3104. # [22:35] <jwir3> hm.. I seem to be doing something incorrect. I have --enable-debug in my .mozconfig, but for some reason, under windows, I get that nsIFrame::List( is undefined
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3106. # [22:36] <mayhemer> jdm: bug #
3107. # [22:36] <mayhemer> ?
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3110. # [22:38] <mounir> jlebar: will do that
3111. # [22:39] <Ms2ger> rillian, can you not argue against strawmen in my bugs?
3112. # [22:39] <jlebar> mounir, thanks.
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3114. # [22:39] <Ms2ger> rillian, especially if it has been pointed out repeatedly in the bug?
3115. # [22:40] <rillian> Ms2ger, sorry, I misunderstood what the patch was doing
3116. # [22:40] <jdm-> mayhemer: 722857
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3118. # [22:41] <mounir> jlebar: I haven't added the |data| parameter IIRC
3119. # [22:41] <mounir> I wrote a patch that renamed it and revert the renaming in another patch
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3123. # [22:41] <jlebar> mounir, You may be right, but it really doesn't matter...
3124. # [22:42] <mayhemer> jdm-: localStorage.clear() called at the start of the test and also at the end of the test?
3125. # [22:42] <mounir> jlebar: I mean, if I pushed the patch without removing the parameter it was only because you told me that I should remove the parameter that I did add
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3132. # [22:43] <jlebar> mounir, This is what I see... http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/9f2edf9a549a/dom/base/BrowserElementParent.js
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3136. # [22:45] <mounir> jlebar: oh
3137. # [22:45] <mounir> you were indeed right
3138. # [22:45] <mounir> i'm really sorry
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3143. # [22:45] <jlebar> mounir, It's okay. Sorry I got upset.
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3146. # [22:46] <mounir> oh, I would have been upset too, I can understand that
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3152. # [22:48] <mounir> jlebar|mac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640788
3153. # [22:48] <mounir> do you r+ that?
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3157. # [22:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5c90425ab44e - Patrick McManus - Bug 755467 SpdySession::RestrictConnections() should use conn->EverUsedSpdy() r=honzab
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3160. # [22:49] <Ms2ger> biesi, really, :( to "Web developers should not be expected to read specs."? :)
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3162. # [22:50] <mounir> Ms2ger: I don't understand why they should bother with that thing they call the web
3163. # [22:50] <mounir> ;)
3164. # [22:50] <biesi> Ms2ger, I suppose that my real opinion is more complex than that, but at the same time , in context he said that web developers shouldn't have to look up a reference
3165. # [22:50] <Ms2ger> mounir, you know, we would be able to write much nicer specs without those pesky webdevs :)
3166. # [22:50] <biesi> Ms2ger, and in a case as specialized as timing data, that strikes me as wrong
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3168. # [22:50] <@smaug> didn't we fix the Nordea issue :/
3169. # [22:51] <Ms2ger> biesi, I'm a pessimist in this case :)
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3173. # [22:53] <Ms2ger> bjacob, then why did the log say "0 tests failed, 2641 tests passed out of 2641 tests, covering 9 distinct integer types."?
3174. # [22:54] <bjacob> Ms2ger: because it really succeeded, it's just that I edited the code to return 1; in main() artificially
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3178. # [22:54] <Ms2ger> bjacob, ah, I see
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3181. # [22:56] <jviereck> what's the best way to debug NS_CheckContentLoadPolicy?
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3184. # [22:56] <jviereck> if I do GDB I can't step into the function, but I should figure out why it rejects some stuff
3185. # [22:57] <josh> is metrics.mozilla.com supposed to have a basically blank front page with no info about what the site is?
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3192. # [23:00] <jfkthame> jviereck: ugh, it's an inline made up of a few huge macros…. not very debugger-friendly
3193. # [23:00] <jfkthame> jviereck: when gdb fails, i'd be tempted to sprinkle it with lots of printf()s to find out what's happening
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3207. # [23:08] <MattN> Was there an extra OS X Nightly generated in the last day? My partial update failed today
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3212. # [23:10] <Waldo> bjacob: sounds good; had I wondered anywhere else whether that was the case? I have only a very hazy memory of maybe ever expressing that concern and desiring that this be tested or something
3213. # [23:11] <bjacob> Waldo: i did express that concern. i inferred that you would be interested, as everything i say is interesting
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3224. # [23:12] <Waldo> bjacob: he is the most interesting man in the world
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3227. # [23:12] <Waldo> "I don't always write compiled-code tests, but when I do, I make sure if they fail they turn the tree orange"
3228. # [23:12] <bjacob> haha
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3241. # [23:16] <fryn> jlebar|mac++
3242. # [23:16] <fryn> jlebar|mtg++
3243. # [23:16] <jviereck> jfkthame: thx. I have a work around for data:font for now, let's see what people think about it: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=468568#c47
3244. # [23:16] <mounir> jlebar|mac, jlebar|mtg: ping
3245. # [23:16] <fryn> for splitting up those FUEL patches :)
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3247. # [23:17] <jfkthame> jviereck: might want to tag someone like dbaron for feedback on that
3248. # [23:18] <jviereck> jfkthame: good point! done
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3286. # [23:40] <BenWa> Do we have something to provide specified behaviour for % for negative operands that is well defined?
3287. # [23:41] <jlebar|mac> fryn: what'd I do?
3288. # [23:41] <jlebar|mac> mounir: hey, sorry, was busy. I saw that you pushed a follow-up. Thanks.
3289. # [23:42] <fryn> jlebar|mac: you split a patch into more pieces that gavin requested.
3290. # [23:42] <fryn> going above and beyond!
3291. # [23:42] * AaronMT is now known as AaronMT|AFK
3292. # [23:42] <jlebar|mac> fryn: lol. That was the only way to make it sane.
3293. # [23:43] <NeilAway> cpeterson: addon still experimental, perhaps?
3294. # [23:43] <fryn> jlebar|mac: yeah, i looked. just saying that you did a good job!
3295. # [23:43] <jlebar|mac> :D
3296. # [23:44] <@roc> oooh, new DOM bindings support enums
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3299. # [23:44] <mounir> ORLY?
3300. # [23:44] <mounir> oh.. I guess webidl enums
3301. # [23:44] <@roc> yeah
3302. # [23:44] <mounir> I was wondering how it could handle html enums
3303. # [23:45] <mounir> that would have been quite surprising :D
3304. # [23:45] * jlebar|mtg is now known as jlebar
3305. # [23:46] <@roc> which HTML enums?
3306. # [23:46] <mounir> roc: like input.type, it's an enumerated attribute
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3308. # [23:46] <mounir> I'm living in my tiny bubble where everything is about forms
3309. # [23:47] <mounir> :)
3310. # [23:47] <@smaug> :)
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3315. # [23:49] <mbrubeck> mounir++ for working on mobile <input type> stuff
3316. # [23:49] <johanc> so, after a "pull -u", and additional problems, an update to mozilla-build 1.6, and a few clobbers I'm still stuck with this when trying to build: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1640943
3317. # [23:49] <johanc> win7, msvc9, pymake -f client.mk
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3319. # [23:50] <mounir> mbrubeck: oh, I will not work on that, I'm going to have an intern who is going to work on that
3320. # [23:50] <mbrubeck> even better. :)
3321. # [23:50] <mounir> feel free to send my ponies though ;)
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