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# Session Start: Thu May 24 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <RyanVM> ehsan: ^
# [00:00] <bjacob> gavin: but why not crash, when a out-of-bounds access is made?
# [00:00] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> RyanVM: yeah?
# [00:00] <gavin> I'm not trying to argument that it never makes sense to crash intentionally
# [00:00] <RyanVM> can't connect to remote hg?
# [00:01] <gavin> *argue
# [00:01] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> RyanVM: not my fault, please ask releng/IT :)
# [00:01] <bholley> RyanVM: how do I view hidden builds on tbpl?
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# [00:01] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> fwiw, I can't push myself any more
# [00:01] <RyanVM> bholley: ?showhidden=1 ?
# [00:01] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> bholley: add &noignore=1 to the url
# [00:01] <RyanVM> gah, noignore
# [00:01] <bholley> RyanVM, ehsan-extremelybusy: thanks
# [00:03] <bjacques> Waldo: what's the practical difference between nsAutoPtr and mozilla::Scoped?
# [00:04] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> RyanVM: filed bug 758022
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# [00:07] <bjacob> RyanVM: getting the same ssh problem. did you find a solution?
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# [00:07] <RyanVM> it's working on it
# [00:07] <bjacob> it?
# [00:07] <glandium> bjacob: what's your patch?
# [00:07] <RyanVM> #it :P
# [00:07] <gavin> IT
# [00:08] <philor> RyanVM: I reclosed inbound, since someone needs to back out I don't know how many things
# [00:08] <bjacob> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1648858
# [00:08] <philor> I can't sheriff it until maybe 9pm Pacific
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# [00:08] <RyanVM> philor: what of that orange is real bustage vs db issues? or is it all real?
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# [00:09] <bjacob> philor: oh i have the patch for this M1 crash
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# [00:09] <bjacob> philor|away: RyanVM: trivial fix, landing on CLOSED TREE ok?
# [00:10] <glandium> bjacob: let me try
# [00:10] <nemo> hm. why is layout.word_select.stop_at_punctuation true in OSX? was just listening to an OSX user rant extensively about that
# [00:10] <nemo> if it was false it would match platform behaviour
# [00:11] <bjacob> philor|away: RyanVM: no idea why this crash only started now, but it's a preexisting bug
# [00:11] <Waldo> haha, I just submitted the "conditional breakpoint in nsGenericElement::Release is not fast" quote, then looked at the queue to find someone else submitted it before me :-D
# [00:11] <bjacob> philor|away: RyanVM: we've been corrupting the stack for a while and somehow weren't crashing before
# [00:12] <@bz> nemo: interesting
# [00:12] <@bz> nemo: perhaps platform behavior used to be different?
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# [00:12] <nemo> bz: http://m8y.org/tmp/blue.txt - doubleclicking 2nd word in Firefox does not match Safari on OSX
# [00:12] <@bz> nemo: I certainly recall that pref being set so as to match platform behavior...
# [00:12] <nemo> bz: setting that config option to false fixes
# [00:12] <@bz> nemo: yes, I know
# [00:12] <nemo> ah
# [00:12] <@bz> nemo: I just tried that
# [00:13] <@bz> nemo: my point is _used_to_be_
# [00:13] <@roc> hmmm
# [00:13] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190615 - this bug is resolved fixed, but has people ranting in it recently
# [00:13] <nemo> that's never a good sign
# [00:13] <@roc> it's not always a bad sign either
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# [00:13] <nemo> roc: yeah, I might be misunderstanding the rant
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# [00:14] <@bz> the people commenting in that bug are confused
# [00:14] <@bz> because the bug is about general selection behavior
# [00:14] <@bz> and the urlbar does separate weird stuff
# [00:14] <@bz> and they _know_ it does
# [00:14] <bjacob> philor|away: edmorley: RyanVM: landed my fix, hopefully fixes mochitest-1 on inbound
# [00:14] <@bz> because they know about the prefs that control the weird!
# [00:15] <nemo> bz: I was just trying to find a bug on the cross-platform defaults for break on word, and followed some dupes down
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# [00:15] <Waldo> bjacques: I'm not sure, offhand; I seem to remember Scoped being even more generic than that, maybe?
# [00:16] <nemo> er. I mean stop at punctuation not break on word.
# [00:16] <@bz> nemo: do you have a Win build on hand?
# [00:16] <nemo> bz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354721 was resolved upe of prior
# [00:16] <nemo> bz: yep
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# [00:17] <@bz> data:text/html,a,b,c,d.e.gooop
# [00:17] <nemo> bz: windows is true
# [00:17] <nemo> oh
# [00:17] <@bz> doublec-click gooop on Windows
# [00:17] <@bz> what gets selected?
# [00:17] <nemo> heh. stupid data uri protections :(
# [00:17] * nemo fixes noscript
# [00:18] <bear> ehsan (or anyone) is HG still not working?
# [00:18] <bjacques> Waldo: I get the impression Scoped<> is designed to be adaptable. So I guess my question should have been: should I prefer ScopedDeletePtr or nsAutoPtr?
# [00:18] <nemo> bz: just goop
# [00:18] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> bear: it worked for me for one push a few mins ago
# [00:18] <philor> all of the orange is real, would be my guess
# [00:18] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> not tried again since then
# [00:18] <nemo> bz: unless I change stop_at_punctuation of course
# [00:18] <@bz> nemo: not the "e"?
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# [00:18] <nemo> bz: nope
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# [00:18] <bjacob> bear: working for me now
# [00:18] <@bz> nemo: oh, looks like we default stop_at_punctuation true everywhere now
# [00:18] <bear> ehsan - should 758022 be closed then?
# [00:18] <philor> xpcshell - probably jorendorff I'd think
# [00:18] <@bz> nemo: well, what gets selected if you flip stop_at_punctuation to false?
# [00:18] <nemo> bz: whole thing
# [00:18] <@dbaron> so m-c is open again but inbound and aurora are still closed?
# [00:19] <@bz> nemo: ok, that does NOT match Mac platform behavior
# [00:19] <nemo> bz: welp. clearly annoys at least one OSX user :)
# [00:19] <nemo> yeah
# [00:19] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> bear: has someone looked at it?
# [00:19] <nemo> bz: he's going on about how Mozilla should just use cocoa for everything. Which seems a bit impractical for web pages :)
# [00:19] <@bz> nemo: Safari selects through '.' but not through ','
# [00:19] <bear> yes, and we are not finding anything wrong so I wanted to double check
# [00:19] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> ok feel free to close it then
# [00:19] <bear> ehsan - will do - thanks for the info
# [00:19] <nemo> bz: ah. the joys of arbitrary definitions of punctuation. I wish firefox had something like gnome-terminal where you can specify a set of characters
# [00:19] <nemo> bz: if that was in about:config you could platform localise it
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# [00:20] <philor> dbaron: want to take over sheriffing? :)
# [00:20] <@roc> Safari doesn't use Cocoa for a lot of their stuff. The best way to test Cocoa behavior is to test something like TextEdit
# [00:20] <@roc> or whatever the latest version is called
# [00:20] <Waldo> bjacques: I would say ScopedDeletePtr because it's not as gunky as nsAutoPtr, myself
# [00:20] <bjacob> glandium: this is a linux 64 debug build btw.
# [00:20] <philor> probably only two or three more backouts for inbound
# [00:20] <@dbaron> philor, I actually care mainly about aurora right now
# [00:20] <bjacob> glandium: do i need to do something so the MOZALLOC_EXPORT on these functions expands to the correct thing?
# [00:20] <philor> dbaron: shift+reload, then, it's not closed to my eye
# [00:21] <@roc> the performance gap between debug and opt builds seems to keep increasing
# [00:21] <bjacques> Waldo: good enough for me, thank you
# [00:21] <@dbaron> philor, oh, I need to *shift*-reload?
# [00:21] <catlee> roc: build times, or run times?
# [00:21] <@smaug> roc: indeed
# [00:21] <@dbaron> philor, still closed even wit shift-reload
# [00:21] <@bz> as compilers get better and better at optimizing, right? ;)
# [00:21] <@roc> run times
# [00:21] <@smaug> catlee: both, I think
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# [00:21] <glandium> bjacob: ah, i was building for android, and got an even worse build error
# [00:22] <@roc> Waldo: could we typedef ScopedFreePtr to AutoPtr and replace nsAutoPtr with the latter?
# [00:22] <bjacob> glandium: btw i have no idea if the EXTRA_DSO_LDOPTS is needed. i added it as an attempt to fix this error but it didn't make a difference
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# [00:23] <glandium> bjacob: it's not needed
# [00:23] <bjacob> ok
# [00:23] <philor> dbaron: okay, now
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# [00:24] <@dbaron> philor, thanks
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# [00:24] <Waldo> roc: possibly, not sure; worth noting, tho, that nsAutoPtr is like std::auto_ptr which is not actually the right thing because you can't return it from functions and stuff; the right thing is C++11's std::unique_ptr, but that's not supported on MSVC<10 or gcc<something greater than our current OS X requirements
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# [00:24] <Waldo> roc: so really ScopedFreePtr is not a long-term solution ideally
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# [00:24] <Waldo> roc: although as a steppingstone suitable for rewriting later it's probably perfectly reasonable
# [00:25] <philor> jorendorff: ping
# [00:25] <@roc> I see
# [00:25] <@roc> why can't you return nsAutoPtr from functions?
# [00:25] <Waldo> C++11 goes so far (well, "far") as to deprecate std::auto_ptr completely
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# [00:25] <jorendorff> philor: pong
# [00:26] <Waldo> roc: because you can't copy-construct the instance you're returning, because then there'd be two instances owning the same singly-owned pointer
# [00:26] <@roc> ah
# [00:26] <@roc> the nsAutoPtr copy constructor steals
# [00:26] <philor> jorendorff: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11995902&tree=Mozilla-Inbound and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=11996820&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - are those both you, or is there likely to be bustage on bustage on bustage?
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# [00:27] <Waldo> C++11 move semantics are supposed to handle this this a bit better; I am not entirely familiar with the details
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# [00:27] <bjacob> Waldo: they do, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B11#Rvalue_references_and_move_constructors
# [00:28] <Waldo> I mean, I'm aware they do, I just don't know the details well enough to claim to know them :-)
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# [00:28] <@dbaron> ok, now I can't get to hg.mozilla.org...
# [00:28] <Waldo> there are some tremendously hairy introductions to move references
# [00:28] <Waldo> which I have read, and only understood about 10% of
# [00:29] <jorendorff> philor: those are both me with probability 0.98
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# [00:29] <philor> jorendorff: thanks, got the backout ready if I can persuade hg.m.o to take it :)
# [00:29] <jorendorff> good luck with that
# [00:30] <glandium> bjacob: it's too late for me to look at what's going on because it makes no sense (the symbols are "normally" undefined, defined in libmozalloc, but the linker doesn't want to find them). I'll look at it tomorrow
# [00:30] <bjacob> glandium: sure, thanks for all the help
# [00:30] <glandium> bjacob: (and considering the scary build error I got on android, that linkage error is not the only problem)
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# [00:31] <@roc> can't we just do to ScopedFreePtr what we do for nsAutoPtr, giving it a stealing copy constructor?
# [00:31] <bjacob> philor: looks like i'm the culprit for current inbound bustage, sorry, my latest CLOSED TREE push fixes it according to tryserver:https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=2e38b791857d
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# [00:32] <philor> bjacob: you're only a part of it, don't claim it all
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# [00:32] <bjacob> philor: my bug makes mochitest-1 crash. Indeed i have no idea about oth and X
# [00:33] <philor> I have every idea about them, but no suitable response from remote hg
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# [00:36] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> bear: fwiw, I can't access hg again
# [00:36] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> this time hgweb
# [00:37] <bear> ehsan - give it 5 min
# [00:37] <bear> dcops is fixing the issue from before
# [00:37] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> ok
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# [00:38] <bear> if it's still happening in 5 then poke me again
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# [00:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c3495842c662 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 752872 - Upgrade SQLite to version 3.7.12.1 (Mozilla changes). r=mak
# [00:42] <cpeterson> any takers for some questions about nsIMEStateManager and TextStateObserver? <:)
# [00:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a44d302ac491 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 752872 - Upgrade SQLite to version 3.7.12.1 (SQLite changes). r=mak
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# [00:45] <Waldo> roc: that's not sufficient in various cases; the canonical example appears to be sorting a vector of auto_ptr or something, where a local variable might be used to store the pivot element, then also nulling out the actual element value
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# [00:45] <Waldo> roc: https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/cplusplus/MEM00-CPP.+Don%27t+use+auto_ptr+where+copy+semantics+might+be+expected is a little vague about the exact problem, but it covers the relevant ground
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# [00:45] <bear> ehsan - ok, hg blip is over
# [00:46] <bear> thanks and apologies
# [00:46] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> thanks
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# [00:46] <cpeterson> On Android, I have a page with an input text, but nsIMEStateManager always gets aPresContext->Document() that is not editable, so Android widget does not get OnIMEFocusChanged() call.
# [00:47] <@roc> I just used about:ccdump to determine that a lone nsGlobalWindow was being kept alive by ... about:ccdump :-(
# [00:47] <Waldo> heh
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# [00:53] <philor> okay, inbound's OPEN, because yes, yes I do feel lucky
# [00:53] <Waldo> punk
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# [00:54] <WeirdAl> Waldo: :)
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# [00:59] <_AtilA_> Ok, now that I have read the Layout system "theory", I would like to take a look at the code responsible for building the Frame Tree
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# [01:00] <_AtilA_> Could someone point me where is locat?
# [01:00] <_AtilA_> located
# [01:00] <biesi> _AtilA_, that's nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp
# [01:01] <_AtilA_> thks!
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# [01:01] <RyanVM> philor: says the guy who can't sheriff until 9pm :P
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# [01:02] <_AtilA_> So dynamic changes are implemented as Pub/Sub pattern like
# [01:03] <biesi> yeah
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# [01:04] <_AtilA_> And these listeners are Frame nodes of the tree? (or another entity responsible to update just the affected nodes)
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# [01:06] <vladan> ehsan-extremelybusy: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1648931
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# [01:10] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> vladan: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/webapprt/prefs.js
# [01:10] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> vladan: point it to chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
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# [01:17] <philor> RyanVM: yeah, well, who needs to actually eat during their lunch hour?
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# [01:17] <RyanVM> philor: it's overrated
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# [01:18] <mwu> eating only takes a few minutes
# [01:18] <mwu> sleeping on the other hand, now that's a serious waste of time
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# [01:20] <firebot> kev was last seen 8 days, 4 hours, 49 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying 'XXXX? That's, like, beyond Vin Diesel' in #planning.
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# [01:23] <philor> oh, look, smaug's busted
# [01:23] * njn feels dirty when he does |hg qimport $DIR/.hg/patches/$PATCH| to transplant a patch from one repo to another, but it works nicely
# [01:23] <philor> if only we had another tree, where the bustage could be contained instead of getting merged around
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# [01:25] <RyanVM> philor: mine passed on try at least :P
# [01:25] <philor> we could call it... mozilla-STOP-PUSHING-TO-CENTRAL-GOD-DAMN-IT!
# [01:25] <philor> hmm, maybe you can't have a ! in a repo name, though
# [01:25] <mounir> i feel like this question is going to be stupid but why do we have [noscript] attributes in nsIPrincipal... can regular content access it?
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# [01:27] <Mook_as> because poking it from chrome-privileged JS is a bad idea (because then you get xpconnect poking it, and... fun happens)?
# [01:27] <RyanVM> philor: we need to send this as ascii art for any m-c changeset that doesn't have "merge" in it: http://www.corporatelifesucks.org/images/officespace.jpg
# [01:27] <RyanVM> s/company/tree
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# [01:29] <philor> indeed
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# [01:30] <philor> RyanVM: I'll watch the end of it if it takes too long if you'll back out https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8cf563a575fd
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# [01:30] <RyanVM> ok
# [01:30] <philor> and merge to m-i so we don't have to see his bustage there, too :)
# [01:30] <RyanVM> yes
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# [01:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d499dc65cdab - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backout 8cf563a575fd (bug 734015) due to random Moth orange.
# [01:37] * @dolske wonders who's fiddling with the monitor by the JS pit
# [01:37] <mounir> sicking: ping
# [01:37] <njn> philor, RyanVM: is it possible to configure a repo so you can only merge to it, not do vanilla pushes? maybe a bad idea...
# [01:37] <@dolske> "Creating your ambiance"?
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# [01:37] <RyanVM> njn: one would think you could do it with commit hooks
# [01:38] <@dbaron> RyanVM, aren't orange Moths generally known as butterflies?
# [01:38] <njn> RyanVM: the current set-up is useful for identifying "the normal rules don't apply to me" people :)
# [01:38] <philor> should be easy, the existing one has exceptions for merges, but not for claiming "merge" when it isn't
# [01:38] <philor> and should be just as annoying as the current one
# [01:38] <philor> but it's a social problem, not a technical one
# [01:38] <RyanVM> dbaron: not when they're happening on every run, with a varying nature, and don't match any existing known-randoms
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# [01:39] <philor> RyanVM: and then I went straight from seeing your backout to seeing the first of smaug's bustage on inbound :|
# [01:39] <RyanVM> heh
# [01:39] <RyanVM> i'll merge it over in a minute
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# [01:54] <philor> ehsan-extremelybusy: how much of a menace are the remaining suites that can still stage updates? will it ever apply, or will it always just fail and break startup?
# [01:54] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> philor: do you know of any other ones?
# [01:54] * @ehsan-extremelybusy doesn't
# [01:54] <philor> Jetpack
# [01:54] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> jetpack!
# [01:55] * @ehsan-extremelybusy wonders where that code lives
# [01:55] <philor> dunno about Talos, though I always assume the worst about it
# [01:55] <philor> it's in your bug
# [01:55] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> oh right
# [01:55] <philor> I pasted it for you!
# [01:55] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> it is?
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# [01:55] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> lol
# [01:55] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> sorry
# [01:55] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> too many details, constant brain throughput
# [01:55] <philor> yep
# [01:56] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> I'll file new bugs for talos and jetpack
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# [01:57] <philor> a releng bug for rm -rf Local Settings\Mozilla\Whatever\Wherever might be easier
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# [01:57] <philor> other than the whole "we're not _that_ good at rm -rf on Windows" thing
# [01:57] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> philor: you answered yourself :P
# [01:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8aeae08720f8 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 755473 - Mark script as executable, a=test-only, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [01:59] <@dolske> philor: I think you forgot some quotes there. :)
# [01:59] <philor> I know, we could put it in the reboot step that only sometimes happens!
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# [02:00] <philor> right, "'we're' not _that_ good at rm -rf on Windows"
# [02:00] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> philor: https://github.com/mozilla/addon-sdk/pull/450
# [02:01] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> philor: do you know where the responsible code for talos lives?
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# [02:01] * @ehsan-extremelybusy hopes that the answer is somewhere in m-c
# [02:01] <philor> nope, but at least it's an hg repo
# [02:01] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> heh
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# [02:02] <philor> http://hg.mozilla.org/build/talos/
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# [02:05] <philor> perhaps around http://hg.mozilla.org/build/talos/file/2339d6217ae1/talos/sample_config.tmpl#l29
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# [02:06] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> yeah sounds about right :)
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# [02:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/aba55804060d - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 758066 - Add --no-window to runemu's arguments, a=test-only, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [02:08] <njn> gavin: have you seen about:compartments in a recent build (last day or two)? v. interesting
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# [02:09] <njn> gavin: all sorts of JS modules and stuff are now identified
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# [02:10] <@khuey> why does my 5/22 nightly think it's up to date
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# [02:10] <gavin> njn: yeah I saw someone mention that on IRC
# [02:10] <gavin> neat
# [02:10] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> khuey: updates are disabled
# [02:10] <@khuey> ah
# [02:11] <njn> gavin: I'm hoping people will start saying "why the hell is $FOO there? maybe that's a leak..."
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# [02:11] <njn> gavin: though most what I see looks reasonable ATM
# [02:11] <gavin> cool
# [02:11] <devd> my firefox build for some reason has decided to sleep on load "sleeping 300 seconds", waiting for me to attach gdb; does anyone know how to disable that ?
# [02:12] <@khuey> ehsan-extremelybusy: should I not download the 5/23 update and install it?
# [02:12] <@khuey> devd: that means it crashed ....
# [02:12] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> khuey: no, updates will be enabled some time tonight
# [02:12] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> I'm working on that
# [02:12] <devd> khuey: at startup ?
# [02:12] <@ehsan-extremelybusy> hence my nick :)
# [02:12] <@khuey> mmm
# [02:12] <@khuey> devd: yes
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# [02:13] <devd> weird .. ok thanks
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# [02:15] <justdave> my aurora is suddenly crashing on started (including when using safe-mode), anyone have ideas how to debug?
# [02:15] <devd> also .. can I define environment variables in my mozconfig? Would mk_add_options CCACHE_TEMP_DIR=@TOPSRCDIR@/.ccache work?
# [02:15] <justdave> on startup*
# [02:15] <devd> khuey: umm ,, I think its some linking failure on my part
# [02:15] <@khuey> devd: very possible
# [02:16] <devd> khuey: it was working, and then I did some changes and it stopped. I am just gonna do a clean build
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# [02:16] <RyanVM> billm: bustage ho!
# [02:16] <darktrojan> don't call him a ho
# [02:16] <justdave> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1648993 <- there's all the console output I get launching it from the command line before the crash reporter pops up
# [02:17] * RyanVM ponders why so many js patches never seem to grace try before landing
# [02:17] <devd> justdave: is it also crashing in a new profile ?
# [02:17] <billm> RyanVM: it's hard to tell which one it is...
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# [02:17] <justdave> devd: it does appear to, yes.
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# [02:17] <RyanVM> billm: yay for coalescing
# [02:18] <RyanVM> billm: hopefully you get some orange on other platforms too
# [02:19] <billm> RyanVM: ok, I know which one it is. i'll back it out.
# [02:19] <RyanVM> thanks
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# [02:20] <justdave> devd: if I start it with gdb it claims it's hitting a breakpoint
# [02:20] <justdave> last night's build hosed perhaps?
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# [02:20] <justdave> Breakpoint 1, 0x00000001000019a5 in main ()
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# [02:25] <@bz_dinner> khuey: retro is in
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# [02:29] <@khuey> bz_dinner: mmm
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# [02:32] <aleth> adev: ping
# [02:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/646cbeae01a0 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 756966 - Fail test if finish is called while emulator callbacks are pending, r=philikon, a=test-only, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [02:35] <@dolske> njn / gavin: Jetpaaaaaack! http://cl.ly/361d1Q241E310R2Y372r :)
# [02:35] <@dolske> a tooltip on those long ones might be nice...
# [02:35] <njn> dolske: yeah. use "about:compartments?verbose"
# [02:35] <@dolske> oh, there's a verbose link at the bottom. yeah.
# [02:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0024af60b664 - Ben Hearsum - bug 723176: support mac dmg signing in the build system - don't sign removed-files. r=ted
# [02:36] <@dolske> what does "[System Principal] [483]" mean?
# [02:36] <njn> dolske: 483 merged, undistinguished ones
# [02:36] <njn> dolske: how old is this build?
# [02:36] <@dolske> 5-22 Nightly
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# [02:37] <Mossop> We end up with a compartment per module these days in jetpack (per add-on!). Is there a way we can indicate that about:memory should coalesce all the compartments from the same add-on maybe?
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# [02:37] <bonnie> khuey, have you seen the new seating arrangment
# [02:37] <@khuey> bonnie: no
# [02:38] <bonnie> khuey, hmmm well you may want to take a look at it
# [02:38] <@khuey> bonnie: why?
# [02:38] <@dolske> njn: what's that mean? 483 compartments that have no description beyond "system principal"?
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# [02:38] <gavin> did khuey get the broom closet?
# [02:38] <bonnie> khuey, you still seem to be in the same spot
# [02:38] <bonnie> gavin, hahahaha well sort of
# [02:38] <njn> dolske: that's right
# [02:38] <@khuey> bonnie: did you look at the third floor too?
# [02:38] <@dolske> the world does revolve around khuey...
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# [02:38] <njn> dolske: does 5-22 have bug 754771 in it?
# [02:38] <bonnie> khuey, yep i did
# [02:39] <bonnie> dolske, agreed
# [02:39] <@dolske> njn: nope.
# [02:39] <@khuey> bonnie: who is in my spot?
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# [02:39] <njn> dolske: ok, good. A newer build with bug 754771 will distinguish most of those 483
# [02:39] <njn> dolske: I personally went from 200+ merged to like 11
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# [02:40] <bonnie> khuey, an a. milewski
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# [02:40] <@ted> that'd be zandr
# [02:40] <bonnie> khuey, and r. chugh who is in blake's seat is still there
# [02:40] <bonnie> khuey, blake is on level 3 now.
# [02:40] <@khuey> wtf
# [02:40] <devd> justdave: maybe it is hosed; a checkout from today is working fine for me though
# [02:41] <@khuey> we're going to have to have a talk with christina ...
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# [02:41] <bonnie> khuey, my reaction exactly except for i didnt quite say that
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# [02:41] <@khuey> bonnie: where is this?
# [02:41] <bonnie> khuey, its on the white board in the common area
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# [02:41] <@khuey> ah
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# [02:43] <bonnie> khuey, if you are referring to the new seating arrangement email i dont think one has been sent out yet
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# [02:46] <@khuey> bonnie: thanks for the warning
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# [02:47] <bonnie> khuey, no worries. i dont care about a desk anymore... i just want my own try server! not happening!
# [02:49] <@khuey> bonnie: I see that we've worn you down sufficiently
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# [02:50] <bonnie> khuey, i've come to realise that life continues and try will be ready when it is! haha.
# [02:50] <philor> nah, sufficiently is "I just want my try results before the next uplift"
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# [02:51] <@khuey> philor: I meant the part where she no longers wants a desk in the office to work at
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# [02:54] <bonnie> khuey, philor, i have my own desk.... its in the common area under the freezing vent! i've gotten used to it :)
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# [03:09] <@dolske> cool.
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# [03:10] <justdave> yeah, I got a broken aurora build I think
# [03:10] <justdave> hard-coded link location on a build machine
# [03:10] <justdave> stepped over the breakpoint and it died with a failed library load
# [03:10] <justdave> Reading symbols for shared libraries warning: Could not find object file "/builds/slave/m-aurora-osx64-ntly/build/obj-firefox/x86_64/xpcom/stub/nsXPComStub.o" - no debug information available for "../../../../xpcom/stub/nsXPComStub.cpp".
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# [03:10] <justdave> unless that just means it couldn't find symboles
# [03:10] <justdave> symbols*
# [03:10] * justdave doesn't use gdb much
# [03:11] <justdave> Program exited with code 06.
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# [03:12] <@dolske> !
# [03:12] <@dolske> justdave: startup crash, I assume?
# [03:12] <justdave> dolske: yep
# [03:13] <@dolske> oh, yeah, that's just gdb grumping about symbols.
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# [03:14] <@dolske> can you pastebin a stack trace ("bt")?
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# [03:14] <justdave> (gdb) bt
# [03:14] <justdave> No stack.
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# [03:16] <justdave> CrashReporter does come up, and claims it's submitting a crash
# [03:17] <justdave> where do the crash report references get dropped on the filesystem? hard to do about:crashes if I can't start it :)
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# [03:18] <@dolske> oh, uhm, like one level up from where your profile is
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# [03:19] <@dolske> ~/library/app support/firefox/crash reporter/
# [03:19] <justdave> doesn't look like it, but I found it
# [03:19] <justdave> yeah, there ^^
# [03:19] <justdave> my profile's at ~/Library/Firefox/Profiles/....
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# [03:20] <justdave> which also exists as an empty directory under ~/Library/Application Support/Firefox
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# [03:21] <@dolske> so, uhh, Yahoo has a browser now? http://axis.yahoo.com/
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# [03:21] <justdave> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/89854397-4899-42e8-92f5-632dc2120524
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# [03:22] <justdave> "Crash Reason: EXC_BREAKPOINT"
# [03:22] <justdave> sounds like what gdb was telling me too
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# [03:22] <justdave> the exit code 86 was after I stepped over the breakpoint
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# [03:26] <sstangl> dolske: browser plugin
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# [03:26] <@dolske> yeah, just got to the end of the video
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# [03:26] <@dolske> new yahoo toolbar!
# [03:27] <sstangl> if you try to view the terms of use before downloading, it brings you to a page that says "Terms will go here."
# [03:27] <@dolske> sstangl: I'd expect nothing better from Yahoo
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# [03:28] <@dolske> sstangl: https://twitter.com/dolske/status/205468287541329920 :)
# [03:30] <sstangl> I think it's a browser for tablet devices, and that's really what they care about
# [03:30] <sstangl> inasmuch as it's a standalone program
# [03:30] <justdave> dolske: *groan*
# [03:30] <justdave> nice zing
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# [03:32] <Havvy> That is worth a retweet.
# [03:32] * justdave downloads a 5/22 aurora
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# [03:35] <justdave> oh, the autoupdate must have hosed it. fresh download from www.m.o/firefox/aurora/ works fine
# [03:35] <justdave> although it threw me off because it's called "FirefoxAurora" now instead of just "Aurora"
# [03:36] <sstangl> oh I just got the yahoo joke >_>
# [03:36] <sstangl> heh
# [03:36] <Havvy> Nice first run.
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# [03:39] <@dolske> justdave: oh, good. hmm, wonder what happened. check the update.log?
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# [03:40] <justdave> dolske: where do I find that?
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# [03:41] <justdave> you know, I should probably wipe this profile one of these days... Now that we have sync, I can just sign up my fresh clean profile to the same sync account and not lose anything
# [03:41] <justdave> not lose anything important anyway.
# [03:42] <justdave> this profile I'm currently using once belonged to Netscape Communicator 4, and has been upgraded version by version as Mozilla Suite imported it, and continued to ugprade it
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# [03:45] <nemo> so. my SO had this weird problem in FF15 nightly where when loading the browser and restoring a couple of tabs where the site (thecradle.com) was completely down and not responding to pings.
# [03:46] <nemo> The tabs loaded presumably from cache, the JS not working correctly. but the odd thing was the rest of the browser just had weird problems. clicking on interface buttons didn't really work, html select lists, not even the apply update button
# [03:46] <nemo> after restarting a couple of times, and verifying the profile worked fine in stable, went back to nightly, only to have same thing happen again
# [03:46] <nemo> removed those 2 tabs, restarted, and everything has been fine since. was odd though. esp since it impacted everything
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# [03:52] <@dolske> justdave: oops. /Applications/Nightly.app/Contents/MacOS/updates/last-update.log, adjust as needed
# [03:52] <@dolske> also backup-update.log
# [03:52] <@dolske> mail / pastebin 'em?
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# [03:56] <KWierso> dolske: I think */updates/0/update.status might also be useful
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# [03:58] <@dolske> that's just the status for the currently-downloaded update, so the updater knows if it should try applying it or not.
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# [04:28] <justdave> dolske: http://justdave.pastebin.mozilla.org/1649040
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# [04:30] <philor> it's good that we have services-central, to serve as an example of why you shouldn't push your untested crap directly to m-c, since gps has astonishingly bad luck merging the busted crap
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# [04:31] <@dolske> justdave: hmm. sadly normal.
# [04:32] <@dolske> for a partial, even.
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# [04:32] <@dolske> justdave: presumably the date on that file matches when you went to launch and it crashed after applying the update?
# [04:33] <justdave> -rw-r--r-- 1 dave admin 5068 May 23 14:55 last-update.log
# [04:33] <justdave> sounds about right
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# [04:34] <@dolske> does the backup log also have a "success" in the bottom line or so?
# [04:34] <justdave> they're both in that pastebin
# [04:35] <justdave> but yes.
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# [04:35] <@dolske> oh, oops! yeah, both normal.
# [04:35] <@dolske> hmm
# [04:36] <@dolske> do you still crash if you try to run from that Aurora?
# [04:36] <@dolske> we could look at checksums to see if something got mangled, but I wonder if it might have actually been in your profile and magically fixed itself. :|
# [04:39] * @dolske runs home... if it's still crashy, can you tar it up and drop it some place? I'll poke though and try to see what happened.
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# [04:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f43e8d300f21 - Ben Hearsum - Backout all patches from bug 723176, because we still have problems with our CodeResources file.
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# [04:51] <philor> yay for bustage 14 pushes back on inbound
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# [05:26] <devd> hi .. if I register for nsIContentPolicy; and I get a navigation event (TYPE_DOCUMENT), how do I get the nsINode for the page that was clicked to start the navigation? If I click a link to targetURI from srcURI, only the aRequestOrigin has the value srcURI; how do I go from aRequestContext to the nsINode?
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# [05:27] <@bz_dinner> devd: you don't
# [05:27] <@bz_dinner> devd: you can get a reference to the <iframe> containing the relevant navigation context, if any
# [05:28] <@bz_dinner> devd: but not the link that was clicked....
# [05:28] <devd> bz_dinner: sure .. how do I get a reference to the iframe ?
# [05:29] <devd> in my expts, aRequestContext seems to be a completely new context
# [05:31] <@bz_dinner> devd: aRequestContext should be the iframe
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# [05:31] <@bz_dinner> well for TYPE_DOCUMENT it would be the <xul:browser>
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# [05:36] <devd> bz_dinner: It should be xul:browser when the user types in the URI
# [05:36] <devd> but when the user click's a link, it is no different ?
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# [05:37] <devd> I think I misunderstood that
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# [06:35] <@bz> hmm?
# [06:36] <Unfocused> after mentioning profiling and register counts
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# [06:37] <@bz> just generally unhappy with the profiles. ;)
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# [06:44] * njn reads about Yahoo Axis
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# [06:45] <@bz> axis of what?
# [06:46] <njn> bz: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Faxis.yahoo.com%2F&ei=KLu9TxuNj4gHjr696w8&usg=AFQjCNFFS3-FTeQ6zcRJepJnk1nZna7e5Q
# [06:46] <Unfocused> evil
# [06:46] <@bz> er
# [06:46] <@bz> so....
# [06:46] <njn> bz: um, axis.yahoo.com
# [06:46] <@bz> this thing wants to install a Firefox extension
# [06:46] <JonathanS> no Android? No.
# [06:46] <@bz> njn: yeah, I found it....
# [06:46] <Unfocused> yes an extension for desktop browsers, and a browser on iOS (and soon android)
# [06:46] <@bz> I like the "watch the demo", "watch the ad" bits
# [06:46] <JonathanS> njn, did you get it from slashdot?
# [06:46] <larfdesk> so.. um.. in other news... the firefox home app for iOS has not been updated in a year...
# [06:47] <@bz> mmmm
# [06:47] <njn> JonathanS: Hacker News!
# [06:47] * @bz had been hoping for, like, a website
# [06:47] <JonathanS> njn, oh, slashot just picked it up.
# [06:47] <fabrice> no linux support...
# [06:48] <JonathanS> fabrice, slashdot called it as browser.
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# [06:49] <@bz> njn: nice
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# [06:50] <JonathanS> I always wondering which rendering engine for Y! Axis uses.
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# [06:50] <zandr> khuey: uhh, what claim are you making to my desk?
# [06:51] <Unfocused> on iOS? the only one it can (the built-in webkit)
# [06:51] <JonathanS> Unfocused, desktop one.
# [06:51] <Unfocused> none, it's not a browser on the desktop
# [06:51] <JonathanS> it just a shell?
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# [06:52] <Unfocused> its a browser extension
# [06:52] <JonathanS> -_-
# [06:53] <njn> that "trending search" thing sounds awful
# [06:53] <njn> oh great, the Maverick Surf Contest, just what I wanted
# [06:53] <@khuey> zandr: I'm not sure yet, ask me again tomorrow ;-)
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# [06:54] <@bz> a browser
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# [06:55] <@dolske> "crap" ;)
# [06:55] <@khuey> zandr: supposedly your name is on the desk christina told me I could have, or something
# [06:55] <@khuey> that's about all I know
# [06:55] <zandr> Oh, then Christina is mistaken. :)
# [06:55] <zandr> Seat by the window? Not yours. :)
# [06:55] <@khuey> mmm we'll see
# [06:55] <@dolske> light? *hisss*
# [06:55] <Unfocused> FIGHT!
# [06:55] <zandr> Will not end well for the new guy
# [06:56] <zandr> especially if he likes logging in. :D
# [06:56] <@dolske> "daily ldap password change reminder"
# [06:56] <zandr> Oh, he can change his password all he likes
# [06:57] <zandr> those aren't the bits I'm looking for
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# [06:57] <@khuey> wouldn't be all bad
# [06:57] <@khuey> not receiving @mozilla.com email
# [06:57] <@khuey> think of all the meetings I could stop attending
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# [06:58] <JonathanS> zandr, move along on your business
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# [07:03] <@dolske> "In this corner... THE ROCK! And his opponent... THE GREY LAAAAADYYYYY"
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# [07:03] <JonathanS> roc wrestle with american liberal?
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# [07:11] <jlebar|away> How do i get a pushloghtml with two csets?
# [07:11] * jlebar|away can never remember...
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# [07:12] <Unfocused> jlebar|away: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=WHATEVER&tochange=WHATEVER
# [07:13] <jlebar|away> Unfocused, thanks.
# [07:13] <@bz> jlebar|away: add a bookmark keyword?
# [07:13] <jlebar|away> bz, Can I make a bookmark keyword with two operands?
# [07:13] <@bz> "sorta"
# [07:13] <@bz> javascript:varB s=''; url='http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=&tochange='; t=''; qc=0; chunks=url.split(''); for(i=0; i<s.length; i++){if(s.charAt(i)=='"')qc=qc^1; t+=((s.charAt(i)==' '&&qc)?'^':s.charAt(i)); }args=t.split(/\s/); nurl=''; for(i=0; i<chunks.length; i++){nurl+=chunks[i]; if(args[i]!=undefined)B {args[i]=args[i].replace(/\^/g,' '); nurl+=args[i]; }}location.assign(nurl);
# [07:13] <@bz> I use that
# [07:13] * jlebar|away chokes
# [07:13] <@bz> with the keyword "range"
# [07:14] * @bz stole it off the web.... ;)
# [07:14] <jlebar|away> lol
# [07:14] <@bz> so range id1 id2
# [07:14] <@bz> the other option is to just fix bookmark keywords to support 2 args
# [07:14] <@bz> I'd totally review. ;)
# [07:14] <@bz> the one drawback of that javascript: thing is that you can't use it when a chrome something is loaded into the tab
# [07:14] <@bz> because we don't run javascript: bookmarklets on system-principal stuff
# [07:15] <@bz> like about:home
# [07:15] * @bz turned off about:home as a result
# [07:15] <@bz> er
# [07:15] <@bz> btw
# [07:15] <@bz> I'm not sure what some of those 'B' are doing in there
# [07:16] <@bz> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649087 for a version that actually should work
# [07:16] <jlebar|away> bz, Do I have to put the bookmark somewhere in order for it to work as a keyword?
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# [07:17] <Unfocused> er... about:home is run as content. i suspect it just blindly blacklists any about: page
# [07:19] <jlebar|away> bz, Yeah, it insists on doing a google search when I do "range foo". But when I define the URL as "https://foo.com?%s" it works.
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# [07:30] <@bz> jlebar|away: I just have that bookmark in my unsorted bookmarks
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# [07:31] <@bz> Unfocused: let me check
# [07:31] <padenot> n/b 11
# [07:31] <@bz> Unfocused: quite odd
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# [07:32] <@bz> Unfocused: did it not use to run as content?
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# [07:32] <@bz> Unfocused: because I distinctly recall it showing some screenshots
# [07:32] <@bz> Unfocused: and generally looking pretty different from the way it does now
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# [07:33] <@bz> ah
# [07:33] <@bz> about:newtab
# [07:33] <@bz> not about:home
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# [07:33] <@bz> is the one I was thinking of
# [07:33] <@bz> wasn't that the default for a while?
# [07:33] <@bz> _that_ runs as system
# [07:34] <@bz> Unfocused: yeah, the issue was with about:newtab, not about:home. Still an issue, except I just toggled about:newtab off....
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# [07:36] <Unfocused> ah :) yea
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# [07:39] <glob> Unfocused, focus!
# [07:40] <glob> </overused-joke>
# [07:40] <Unfocused> i remember about:home being content because of all the workarounds needed :) the snippets are fetched in chrome code, stored, and retrieved in content code
# [07:40] <Unfocused> glob: yea, i've never heard that one before... ;)
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# [07:48] <jlebar|away> bz, :shrug:. I'll write it down this time, maybe I'll remember.
# [07:48] <jlebar|away> bz, Or maybe next time I try to do it, the damn textboxes will work like I want.
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# [07:53] <@roc> I assume Native2WrappedNativeMap does not own a ref to the nsISupports* key?
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# [08:22] <@roc> FOUND IT!
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# [08:31] <smontagu> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/michkap/archive/2012/05/23/10308554.aspx
# [08:32] <smontagu> the interesting part being which browser this Microsoft guy uses for his screenshots
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# [08:38] <gcp> awesome :P
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# [08:55] <glandium> gcp: awesome is a tiling windows manager, not a browser
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# [08:58] <@roc> I found the nytimes leak. What am I going to do with the rest of my life?
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# [08:58] <glandium> roc: fixing it would be a good start :)
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# [08:58] <KWierso> ^
# [08:58] <@roc> patch waiting for review. I ask again ...
# [08:59] <WeirdAl> there's always pinochle
# [08:59] <KWierso> find ALL the leaks!
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# [08:59] <WeirdAl> clearly a first-world problem: fixed a major bug, nothing left to do
# [09:00] <glandium> roc: find the other leaks. And if you don't find any, add some
# [09:00] <KWierso> and then "find" them
# [09:00] <JuanDaugherty> is the current policy of forcing FF users to upgrade coming from the base development group?
# [09:00] <@dolske> roc: I have some MD5 hashes to crack if you're bored... ;)
# [09:00] <WeirdAl> hack layout, they said... it'll be a blast, they said...
# [09:01] <@roc> ok, who's up?
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# [09:02] <KWierso> whoa whoa whoa...
# [09:02] <KWierso> how the hell is it almost 2 in the morning?
# [09:03] * KWierso should probably not set the taskbar to autohide, since that removes the clock from visibility
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# [09:04] <JuanDaugherty> you craxy bastards
# [09:05] <JuanDaugherty> z
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# [09:06] <glob> JuanDaugherty, awww, i liked "craxy", it has a nice ring to it
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# [09:07] <JuanDaugherty> I just hope you keep it up. A lot of people when they see their market share start to take a nose dive would chixen out.
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# [09:10] <KWierso> "leveled out" != "nose dive"
# [09:10] <JuanDaugherty> prolly a scheme within schemes situation. Google being the main beneficiary is especially suspect.
# [09:10] <JuanDaugherty> yeah, "leveling out", my bad
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# [09:19] <KWierso> JuanDaugherty: I'm interested in what your definition of "forcing" upgrades entails :)
# [09:21] <JuanDaugherty> well it seems fairly pervasive since whenever the forced march began
# [09:22] <JuanDaugherty> in particular what stimulated just know was inablity to disable plugin update checking on ff 12 on mac
# [09:23] <JuanDaugherty> downgrading to what I call "stable" or 3.6 didn't satisfy so just uninstalled and installed google Chrome
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# [09:24] <KWierso> plugins or extensions?
# [09:24] <JuanDaugherty> *just now
# [09:24] <JuanDaugherty> well the message was about plugins
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# [09:25] <JuanDaugherty> flash, which since I have the Adobe product installed on that Mac I don't want anything messin with the debug stuff for flash
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# [09:26] <@dolske> not sure if trolling
# [09:27] <glob> happy bmo update day! https://bugzil.la/753632,737405,756037,756319,756978,756005,753288,744691
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# [09:27] <@dolske> again?! \o/
# [09:27] <JuanDaugherty> not sure if linguistically competent in English
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# [09:27] <@dolske> glob: http://trains.vorb.is/
# [09:28] <WeirdAl> :( We just spewed a whole bunch of mozmemes, and not one of them was actually posted
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# [09:28] <KWierso> JuanDaugherty: Firefox doesn't update plugins
# [09:28] <KWierso> it can check against a list and recommend that you update them yourself, but that's about it
# [09:29] <JuanDaugherty> well but you can't disable that check, or at least I couldn't find it in about.config or the regular GUI on MAC
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# [09:29] <KWierso> various versions of acrobat and java were blocklisted recently, nothing about flash that I recall
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# [09:30] <JuanDaugherty> ah yea, I just presumed didn't verify and there were several
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# [09:32] <glandium> KWierso: wasn't flash 10.something blacklisted recently?
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# [09:32] <glazou> bonjour
# [09:32] <@dolske> out-of-date'd, yes/
# [09:33] <@dolske> 754723
# [09:34] <glob> iirc we only blacklist plugins with known security issues; i don't think it's a decision taken lightly
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# [10:32] <Vincent_Chang> How can I call c++ function in Javascript worker ?
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# [10:37] <@roc> js-ctypes
# [10:38] <@roc> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/ChromeWorker
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# [10:40] <kanru`> is it possible to use js-ctypes to call libxul.so internal functions?
# [10:41] <Yoric> Should be.
# [10:42] <Yoric> kanru`: I believe that Wes has been doing this kind of things.
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# [10:43] <glandium> kanru`: depends how internal it is. if it is not exported, you can't
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# [10:45] <glandium> anyone on a mac around? (yoric?)
# [10:45] <Yoric> Here I am.
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# [10:46] <glandium> Yoric: could you pastebin the output of "gobjc -dM -E -xc /dev/null" ?
# [10:47] <Yoric> Do you want me to install gobjc first?
# [10:47] <Yoric> Because I don't have any such command.
# [10:48] <glandium> Yoric: ok, let's try something different: "gcc -dM -E -xobjective-c /dev/null"
# [10:48] <Vincent_Chang> roc: thank you
# [10:49] <glandium> Yoric: and the same with clang
# [10:49] <Yoric> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649144
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# [10:49] <Yoric> glandium: and http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649145
# [10:50] <glandium> Yoric: thanks
# [10:50] <cjones> Vincent_Chang, you're looking to do something different, define a JS function from C++ that a worker can call
# [10:50] <Yoric> np
# [10:51] <Yoric> bsmedberg: ping
# [10:52] <Vincent_Chang> If I import a simple library using ctype and dispatch a task to I/O thread, does it make sense ?
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# [10:52] <Vincent_Chang> In the simple library, I dispatch task to I/O thread
# [10:52] <mwu> Vincent_Chang: why not use workers?
# [10:53] <cjones> Vincent_Chang, in this case ctypes will give you a hard time
# [10:54] <Vincent_Chang> so it still doesn't work ?
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# [10:55] <Vincent_Chang> mwu: I am trying to send message to netd in JS worker.
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# [10:55] <glandium> Yoric: a bit early for bsmedberg :)
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# [10:56] <Yoric> glandium: Never too early for a ping :)
# [10:57] <Yoric> Vincent_Chang: Well, ctypes works.
# [10:57] <Yoric> But it's not polished yet.
# [10:58] <sawrubh> and Yoric is working hard to do that, I can guarantee you that :P
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# [11:00] <Vincent_Chang> cjones: If I use ctype, I have to create I/O thread related library and make it becomes more complicated right ?
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# [11:03] <gaston> no mozillamemes since a week :(
# [11:03] <cjones> Vincent_Chang, yes, interacting with that code would be very hard
# [11:03] <cjones> JSAPI is much easier
# [11:04] <kanru`> gaston: create a "no mozillamemes" meme!
# [11:04] <mwu> didn't someone make that already
# [11:04] <gaston> kanru`: well given the amount recently, i suppose the one who's publishing them is on holidays :)
# [11:05] <Vincent_Chang> mwu: ipc with netd in JS ? Really ?
# [11:05] <mwu> Vincent_Chang: we already do some crazy binder stuff to talk to ril
# [11:06] <Vincent_Chang> yes
# [11:06] <Vincent_Chang> I try to do the same thing for netd
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# [11:07] <Vincent_Chang> but I can't call JS function in network manager worker yet.
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# [11:13] <cjones> Vincent_Chang, i would recommend filing a bug, posting the code you're working on, and seeing if bent or philikon can guess why your JSAPI function is undefined
# [11:13] <Vincent_Chang> ok
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# [11:14] <Vincent_Chang> I will do it.
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# [11:15] <_AtilA_> "Do not add virtual methods to this class, or bryner will punish you."
# [11:15] <_AtilA_> xDDDDD
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# [11:16] <victorporof> hi! anyone failing to build latest fx-team using clang? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649151
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# [11:17] <NeilAway> victorporof: you don't have enough of the log there
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# [11:18] <victorporof> i shortened it a bit. full log: https://gist.github.com/2780383
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# [11:20] <_alex> hi everyone ! I'm working on current nsTextControlFrame inheritance from nsStackFrame, and I have difficulties to understand how the reflow operation works for stackframes objects. Could anyone give me a clue ? ?
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# [11:21] <_alex> (It's about the layout part)
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# [11:27] <@roc> maybe
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# [11:29] <glandium> victorporof: the failure is before that
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# [11:30] <glandium> victorporof: you pasted the warnings from building jsgc.o, when what is the problem is errors when building jsinterp.o
# [11:30] <victorporof> just a sec
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# [11:42] <victorporof> glandium: here is the build log, error is on line 4921 https://gist.github.com/2780455
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# [11:46] <glandium> victorporof: this looks like bug 664252
# [11:47] <victorporof> glandium: thansk!
# [11:47] <victorporof> s/thansk/thanks
# [11:47] <glandium> victorporof: it's not that bug, though, but a similar problem, reoccurring
# [11:47] <glandium> victorporof: you should probably file a new bug
# [11:47] <victorporof> i will
# [11:48] <victorporof> in the meantime, i wonder if i can turn it into a warning
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# [11:53] <victorporof> glandium: bug 758153
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# [12:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fa7a21561d68 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [12:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/512b928b22e7 - Ed Morley - Backout f789661fed75 (bug 749974) for m-oth failures in browser_toolbar_basic.js
# [12:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f789661fed75 - Paul Rouget - Bug 749974 - Items in Developer tools menu have inconsistent check state. r=dao r=dcamp
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# [12:05] <NeilAway> vimeo uses opacity:0 on its video player, presumably this completely hides the click to play placeholder too?
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# [12:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/db18074e2a25 - Malini Das - Bug 757174: Allow Firefox binary and profile to be passed in during tests. DONTBUILD because NPOTB r=jgriffin
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# [12:15] <jdm> sawrubh: you around?
# [12:15] <Yoric> jdm: I have seen him, I'm sure he's not far :)
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# [12:18] <sawrubh> jdm: sorry was on phone
# [12:18] <sawrubh> :P
# [12:18] <jdm> no worries
# [12:18] <jdm> I'm around for the next 7ish hours
# [12:19] <sawrubh> yes so that bug is really irritating me now :)
# [12:19] <sawrubh> I actually told
# [12:19] <sawrubh> you that I had some questions
# [12:20] <sawrubh> give me five minutes I'll be back with them
# [12:20] <sawrubh> :)
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# [12:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f80c35afea4a - Malini Das - Bug 747200: Allow binary to be passed in for marionette tests. DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [12:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0234f3d9d071 - David Burns - Backed out changeset db18074e2a25 to correct bug number
# [12:27] <@roc> smaug: "You should initialize the new member variables somewhere in the ctor." but those values would never be used since mDelayedMouseEventValid is set to false in the ctor.
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# [12:28] <Ms2ger> That sounds scary
# [12:28] <@roc> I'm happy to set those values, but it might be confusing to set values that are irrelevant
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# [12:43] <sawrubh> jdm: have done the changes that you had suggested in your mail. Now am doing a full build, just to be sure.
# [12:43] <sawrubh> will check the dump after it builds
# [12:43] <jdm> cool
# [12:43] <sawrubh> jdm: fingers crossed :P
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# [12:52] <@smaug> er, member variables
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# [13:20] <mounir> concretely, what are the things with a nsnullprincipal?
# [13:21] <mounir> I can't find anything documenting that
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# [13:23] <@smaug> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=%40mozilla.org%2Fnullprincipal%3B1&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central could be useful
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# [13:24] <NeilAway> oh, we don't, it gets removed (bug 744745)
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# [13:27] <AutomatedTester> gerv: is there a MPL2 boilerplate somewhere
# [13:27] <AutomatedTester> My search is failing me
# [13:27] <Pike> AutomatedTester: http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/
# [13:27] <Ms2ger> zhttp://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/
# [13:27] <NeilAway> ah, this is where hg thwarts me
# [13:28] <NeilAway> I need to update an tree to get a diff for one file
# [13:28] <NeilAway> *an entire tree
# [13:28] <AutomatedTester> thanks Ms2ger and Pike
# [13:28] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [13:37] <jdm> woo, my series of patches includes a part 0 and part 1.5
# [13:37] <jdm> and goes all the way to 5
# [13:37] <jtcranmer> only 5?
# [13:37] * jdm crosses fingers for the final try push
# [13:37] <jtcranmer> I had one make it to 10
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# [13:38] <Ms2ger> I had one make it to 28
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# [13:39] <darktrojan> show off Ms2ger
# [13:39] <Ms2ger> :)
# [13:39] <jhammel> i had one overflow MAX_INT :P
# [13:39] <darktrojan> :o
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# [13:52] <Unfocused> darktrojan: the two will eventually get merged, so... yes
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# [13:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0f5089c0daef - Olli Pettay - Bug 757700, make sure attr modification type is set, r=sicking
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# [14:07] <espindola> how do I start a universal firefox in 32 bit mode?
# [14:07] <espindola> just passing -arch i386?
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# [14:11] <Standard8> espindola: iirc should do it, but I think you can also do arch -i386 <app>
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# [14:12] <espindola> Standard8, thanks
# [14:13] <espindola> running arch -i386 firefox works
# [14:13] <espindola> but firefox -arch doesn't
# [14:14] <Standard8> yeah, apps themselves don't know about the arch arguments
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# [14:14] <Standard8> so you have to involke them via the arch app
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# [14:16] <glazou> espindola: you can also open the informations of the Firefox.app and check the "open in 32-bit mode" checkbox...
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# [14:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/480e89cf2e9b - David Burns - Bug 757174: Better error message when marionette can no longer communicate with Gecko. DONTBUILD because NPOTB r=jgriffin
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# [14:25] <darktrojan> either I'm getting better at this, or it's a lot easier to build a simple extension these days
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# [14:33] <jdm> firebot: uuidgen
# [14:34] <jdm> firebot: uuid
# [14:34] <firebot> 53dd1cbe-cb9f-4d9e-8104-1ab72851c88e (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
# [14:34] <firebot> jdm: Sorry, I've no idea what 'uuidgen' might be.
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# [14:34] <Ameya> what is the simple way to disable addon..?
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# [14:40] <glandium> Ameya: get the addons with AddonManager.jsm, and set addon.userDisabled = true;
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# [14:41] <glandium> Ameya: if it's not a bootstrap or jetpack addon, it will require a restart
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# [14:41] <glandium> Ameya: if you know the addon id, you can use AddonManager.getAddonByID
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# [14:43] <jdm> mayhemer: can you clarify comment 30 in bug 722857?
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# [14:44] <mayhemer> jdm: I think I've answered that
# [14:45] <mayhemer> just call ls.clear() at the start of the test and also at the end of the test
# [14:45] <mayhemer> ls-localStorage
# [14:45] <jdm> ah, perfect.
# [14:45] <jdm> thanks.
# [14:45] <mayhemer> =
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# [14:50] <Wes> Yoric: kanru, need me?
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# [14:51] <Yoric> Wes: I don't, but kanru might.
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# [14:54] <Ameya> glandium: yes i know addon id
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# [14:55] <Ms2ger> jdm, so, where are you hanging around now?
# [14:55] <jdm> Ms2ger: I'm in London
# [14:55] <jdm> I was going to take the train from brussels, but ended up catching the dieppe ferry instead
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# [14:56] <jdm> I might be making my way back to western europe sometime in june
# [14:56] <jdm> my plans are still fluid
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# [14:56] <Ms2ger> I see
# [14:57] <Ms2ger> Eh, adding code to nsGlobalWindow::SetDocShell :/
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# [14:57] <jdm> let's just centralize all the important code in there
# [14:57] <jdm> then you never have to look anywhere else
# [14:57] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: pong
# [14:58] <mounir> Ms2ger: what did I do?
# [14:58] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Hi.
# [14:58] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Are you [still?] working on the documentation of js-ctypes?
# [14:58] <Ms2ger> mounir, a lot of bad stuff, I assume
# [14:58] <Ms2ger> Why?
# [14:58] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: I wish I was... haven't gotten back to it
# [14:58] <mounir> [13:32] < Ms2ger> I know that mounir and at least one other have gone over that
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# [14:58] <Ms2ger> Oh
# [14:58] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: if you'd like to do it, that's fine too!
# [14:59] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Ok, so if I wish to add stuff, should I go through you?
# [14:59] <Yoric> (we have a few new features)
# [14:59] <Ms2ger> Your epic patch stack
# [14:59] <@bsmedberg> no, go ahead
# [14:59] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Ok, I will consider that :)
# [14:59] <Yoric> Thanks.
# [14:59] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: I was trying to all the reference info on one page
# [14:59] <Yoric> Yeah, it is currently rather difficult to find stuff in this documentation.
# [14:59] <@bsmedberg> instead of spread across 3 or 4 related but not in sync pages
# [14:59] <mounir> Ms2ger: which one? :)
# [14:59] <mounir> Ms2ger: oh, WebSMS?
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# [15:00] <Yoric> bsmedberg: If you have put together plans, don't hesitate to share them.
# [15:00] <Yoric> If I find time, I will try and implement them.
# [15:00] <Ms2ger> mounir, that may have been it
# [15:00] <mounir> Ms2ger: you haven't seen my html5form-never-pushed-but-reviewed patches :)
# [15:00] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: well, I had basically been cutting info out of the subpages
# [15:00] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: and pasting it with reformatting and cleanup on the main reference page
# [15:00] <@bsmedberg> it's not a lot more complicated than that
# [15:00] <Ms2ger> mounir, if you never pushed them, probably not
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# [15:02] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Ok.
# [15:02] <Yoric> Well, if I find time, I will try and continue this.
# [15:02] <mounir> Ms2ger: I have user repositories
# [15:02] <Yoric> No guarantee that I do find time, though...
# [15:02] <mounir> Ms2ger: I was hoping you were following all of them :(
# [15:02] <mounir> so disappointed
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# [15:03] <Ms2ger> mounir, if you don't keep them up-to-date...
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# [15:04] <@bsmedberg> Is there someone other than me who would like to review a s/nsILocalFile/nsIFile/ megapatch?
# [15:04] <Ms2ger> Not it
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# [15:04] <Ms2ger> What I would like is being able to push to try faster than this...
# [15:04] <edmorley> and a pony
# [15:05] <jdm> bsmedberg: link?
# [15:05] <edmorley> don't forget the pony
# [15:05] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [15:05] <@bsmedberg> jdm: bug 749930
# [15:05] <Ms2ger> A pony
# [15:05] <jdm> I'm waiting on a build after pulling the license changes
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# [15:05] <darktrojan> bsmedberg, I thought you might say that ;-)
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# [15:06] <@bsmedberg> darktrojan: I'm so swamped right now
# [15:06] <jdm> oh no, I have destroyed splinter by trying to use All Files forthe megapatch
# [15:07] <sewardj> bjacob: ping
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# [15:07] <bjacob> sewardj: pong
# [15:07] * @bsmedberg has never used splinter, but typically reviews large patches by importing them into emacs
# [15:07] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, thanks for the review
# [15:07] <sewardj> bjacob: you were asking about V+jemalloc yesterday? was it you?
# [15:07] <bjacob> sewardj: yes
# [15:07] <sewardj> bjacob: --soname-synonyms=somalloc=NONE
# [15:08] <bjacob> sewardj: that is enough to make it work?
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# [15:08] <sewardj> bjacob: yeah, really. you need V < 2 days old though
# [15:08] <bjacob> sewardj: fantastic!
# [15:08] <sewardj> bjacob: at least, it appears to work for me for m-c on x86_64-linux
# [15:09] <bjacob> sewardj: my other question was about allocator mismatch bugs. Can valgrind be used to find them?
# [15:09] <sewardj> bjacob: all credit to Philippe Waroquiers
# [15:09] <bjacob> sewardj: great
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# [15:10] <@bsmedberg> oh god
# [15:10] <@bsmedberg> + nsresult rv = GetUserDataDirectory((nsILocalFile**)(nsIFile**)
# [15:10] <@bsmedberg> + getter_AddRefs(file),
# [15:10] <@bsmedberg> what have we wrought
# [15:10] <darktrojan> bsmedberg, ew what, was that me?
# [15:10] <@bsmedberg> darktrojan: no, bug 756131
# [15:11] <darktrojan> oh, phew, I thought I was taking out that garbage
# [15:11] <Unfocused> darktrojan: i can review the js parts of that patch
# [15:11] <Unfocused> ... done!
# [15:11] <darktrojan> Unfocused++
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# [15:11] <darktrojan> I do like that about xpcom
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# [15:12] <darktrojan> js can wait until.... later
# [15:12] <darktrojan> if only nsCOMPtr was so friendly
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# [15:14] * darktrojan wonders if jdm has got bored reading that patch yet
# [15:14] <jdm> darktrojan: not yet! I've even made two comments so far!
# [15:14] <darktrojan> woah
# [15:15] <darktrojan> jdm, did you see my last comment on the bug?
# [15:15] <jdm> probably not
# [15:15] <darktrojan> it'll save some reading
# [15:15] <sewardj> bjacob: so .. we tag allocated blocks by what allocation fn was used (malloc, new, new[]) so as to check for mismatches on free
# [15:15] <edmorley> fryn: I'd quite like to backout bug 673873 until the very frequent failures of bug 702184 are resolved if that's ok?
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# [15:16] <sewardj> bjacob: but there's no tagging of blocks with the shared object that did the allocation -- which I think would catch the cases you are interested in ?
# [15:16] <jdm> darktrojan: eh, it's ok.
# [15:17] <darktrojan> it's your sanity
# [15:17] <sewardj> bjacob: the shared object containing the allocating function i mean, so you can detect (eg) alloc via libc.so then free via (eg) libjemalloc.so
# [15:18] <bjacob> sewardj: yes, this is what i'm interested in
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# [15:18] <sewardj> bjacob: you suspect there are crashes/problems resulting from this? or merely curious to see?
# [15:19] <bjacob> sewardj: we've had lots of such bugs on android and it would be wonderful if V could be used to check that no such allocator mismatch (system vs jemalloc) occurred during a firefox run
# [15:19] <bjacob> sewardj: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758010 for an overview with links to other bugs. For example WebGL is nearly unusable on android because of that
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# [15:20] <sewardj> bjacob: ok, let me see if i can hack something up. At least in principle it doesn't sound difficult to do
# [15:20] <sewardj> (famous last words :-)
# [15:21] <bjacob> thanks!
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# [15:22] <edmorley> fryn: I've backed it out for now, since the merge of inbound to m-c would have to wait for it to be resolved, and we already have 130+ changesets outstanding after the infra/DB issues yesterday/today
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# [15:29] <darktrojan> looks like the new license reduced the download size by ~150-180kb
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# [15:30] <darktrojan> better than nothing
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# [15:32] <Ameya_> Which method gets called on "tools->stop_private_browsing"...?
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# [15:34] <Ameya_> as for "tools->start_private_browsing" calls toggleMode() from <command id="Tools:PrivateBrowsing" oncommand="gPrivateBrowsingUI.toggleMode();"/>
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# [15:35] <Ameya_> Which one is called on tools->stop_private_browsing...?
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# [15:39] <fryn> edmorley: i'm rather certain that those patches weren't actually regressing the bug for which tat reftest was made to test.
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# [15:39] <fryn> i probably just caused reflow to happen to different times
# [15:39] <fryn> causing that reftest to become even more unreliable than it was.
# [15:39] <fryn> :/
# [15:39] <fryn> s/happen to/happen at/
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# [15:40] <edmorley> fryn: yeah I'm sure it was just the test, but we tend to try to avoid letting out of control orange escape from inbound
# [15:40] <NeilAway> pity we can't #define our way to victory in bug 749930
# [15:41] <edmorley> fryn: happy for you to disable the rest if necessary; just having that amount of orange makes it hard to discern real failures from the rest
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# [15:41] <fryn> edmorley: i understand. i wrote a comment in the bug asking about disabling the test.
# [15:41] <edmorley> cool :-)
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# [16:18] <@dolske> really? fryn at 6:30am? O_O
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# [16:20] <fryn> dolske: yes really.
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# [16:42] <espindola> kmoir_buildduty, I got on try:
# [16:42] <espindola> Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
# [16:42] <espindola> during upload
# [16:42] <espindola> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12027396&tree=Try&full=1#error0
# [16:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4f66e59eaa77 - Olli Pettay - Bug 756131 - API for creating default profiles for webapps, r=benjamin
# [16:42] <espindola> and
# [16:42] <espindola> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12027394&tree=Try&full=1#error0
# [16:43] <kmoir_buildduty> espindola: Okay, will take a look
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# [16:44] <espindola> thanks!
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# [17:02] <Ms2ger> mike5w3c, yt?
# [17:02] <mike5w3c> yup
# [17:02] <Ms2ger> Doe FPWD approval need to come from the domain lead or the activity lead?
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# [17:02] <Ms2ger> ie, you or plh for testing
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# [17:06] <Ms2ger> mike5w3c, and also, is this documented? :)
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# [17:06] <mike5w3c> Ms2ger: it only needs WG approval
# [17:07] <mike5w3c> lemme find you a link now
# [17:07] <Ms2ger> Really?
# [17:07] <mike5w3c> we only need domain-lead approval for the shortname
# [17:08] <Ms2ger> "Since this is the first time that a document with this short name appears in the Technical Reports index, Director approval is REQUIRED for the transition."
# [17:08] <mike5w3c> http://goo.gl/bbzqu
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# [17:09] <mike5w3c> yeah, the only thing the approval is needed for is the shortname
# [17:09] <Ms2ger> Nice special case for the TAG there
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# [17:10] <mike5w3c> http://services.w3.org/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transitions.xsl&docstatus=fpwd-wd-tr#transreq
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# [17:12] <Ms2ger> mike5w3c, thanks!
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# [17:16] <grubshka> any changes (in local file mime types for example) that would prevent "*/*" stream converters working for local files on firefox 13?
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# [17:17] <NeilAway> gerv: what's your take on licence blocks prior to the c-c switchover, leave them alone, or convert them if patching the file?
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# [17:21] <kmoir_buildduty> espindola: I think you just hit an issue where some of our build machines were being reimaged today, I opened a bug 758223, please try another build and let me know how it goes
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# [17:29] <jfkthame> anyone know why tryserver OS X builds are burning with "*** [upload] Error 2"?
# [17:30] <jfkthame> log shows "Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic)."
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# [17:31] <philor> jfkthame: bug 758223
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# [17:32] <jfkthame> philor: thanks - nice to know it's not just me!
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# [17:35] <jdm> nooo darktrojan
# [17:35] <jdm> where is u
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# [17:38] <NeilAway> jdm: sleeping, hopefully
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# [17:38] <nigelb> jdm!
# [17:38] <jdm> nigelb!
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# [17:39] <NeilAway> dao: oops: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/8ca8630b0c88/browser/fuel/src/fuelApplication.js
# [17:39] <NeilAway> dao: you forgot to adjust the removeEventListener call :s
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# [17:40] <Ms2ger> Yeah, what's xml:base ever done for us
# [17:41] <dao> NeilAway: is there a bug filed on this?
# [17:41] <nigelb> jdm: no new memes?
# [17:41] <jdm> nigelb: I've been busy travelling, and nobody's submitted a thing
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# [17:42] <NeilAway> dao: no, I just happened to notice serge's comment 2 in bug 758102
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# [17:42] <nigelb> jdm: drat.
# [17:42] <nigelb> jdm: okay :(
# [17:42] <dao> NeilAway: ok, please cc me if you file a bug. otherwise I'll take care of it later
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> jdm, I submitted something yesterday, and others have claimed they have as well...
# [17:42] <jdm> whaaa?
# [17:43] <Ms2ger> yaaaa
# [17:43] <jdm> holy crap
# [17:43] <jdm> there are a bunch
# [17:43] <jdm> I have received no emails
# [17:43] <jdm> and there was no notification on the page
# [17:43] <jdm> weeeeeird
# [17:43] <jdm> holy _crap_ there are a bunch
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# [17:43] <NeilAway> dao: no, I wasn't planning on filing one, but serge might
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# [17:50] <BenWa> Is there a way to check in crash-stats if there's a crash with a particular file in the signature?
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# [17:52] <joe> anywhere in the signature?
# [17:52] <BenWa> I added a diagnostic patch that will move the crash earlier but I'm not sure how to search for the new crash reports. It's low volume
# [17:52] <BenWa> it calls abort() so it would be in the top 5 frames
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# [17:53] <joe> i don't think you can search the top N frames
# [17:53] <joe> but
# [17:53] <joe> abort is skip-listed
# [17:53] <joe> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query?advanced=1
# [17:53] <joe> "contains" there
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# [17:58] <BenWa> Still not showing up
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# [17:58] <jdm> gosh darn it
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# [17:59] <jdm> I pulled, qpushed all my patches, qfinished them all, then pushed all in one step
# [17:59] <BenWa> jdm: That wasn't directly at you. I see the memes
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# [17:59] <jdm> and it only failed the last step
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# [17:59] <Cwiiis> anyone around that knows much about layout?
# [17:59] <jdm> that is so unfair
# [18:00] <BenWa> jdm Can't you just qimport -r them back?
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# [18:01] <@smaug> Cwiiis: maybe bz
# [18:01] <Ms2ger> jdm, hmm, does hg qimp -r foo:bar work?
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# [18:01] <Ms2ger> I seem to remember someone claiming it did
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# [18:02] <sfink> yes it does
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# [18:02] <Ms2ger> Love you too
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# [18:03] <BenWa> sfink: So we've got profiling working on all platforms now. Windows finally work. So the next priority now is to start extracting JS information. You we're telling me under certain settings you could use the JS api to get something useful
# [18:04] <BenWa> I had hacked a bit on it but didn't get anywhere
# [18:04] <sfink> yes, I was. What was I talking about?
# [18:05] <Ms2ger> Hmm, lots of pending builds
# [18:05] * Ms2ger ponders canceling some people's try pushes
# [18:05] <BenWa> I'm not sure. Can we get something for the interpreter? Right now it shows as a ton of JS Intrepret frames. Getting that working would give us chrome profiling
# [18:05] <smontagu> jdm: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo6sp5yRPO1qakh43o1_500.gif
# [18:06] <BenWa> sfink: would be nice if that's not to much work to get working. We got a SQL hang but we couldn't find which script was calling it
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# [18:06] <sfink> BenWa: maybe that was it. Were we talking over IRC? Maybe I can go dig up the log. I really don't remember what it was, but I remember thinking it would be useful.
# [18:06] <jdm> smontagu: I paid good money for this life. I expect only the best from it.
# [18:07] <BenWa> sfink: We were. I remember you saying it would only work for a subset of cases. But I'm fine with that. Esp. if that subset includes chrome most of the time
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# [18:08] <sfink> BenWa: well, JM is now on for chrome by default
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# [18:08] <BenWa> Ohh, my profile show it was using the interpreter
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# [18:09] <sfink> probably a fairly high percentage is interpreted, since JM won't kick in until a script runs a few times
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# [18:17] <zzzzz> edmorley: red on OSX debug on last merge
# [18:17] <gerv> The script will get them in the end.
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# [18:18] <NeilAway> gerv: ta
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# [18:18] <Ameya> Could you see from line 58 to 74 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649251 It has some problem..."Firefox stopped working". Is problem with DB connection. If i comment this part then works well.
# [18:19] <jfkthame> zzzzz: bug 758223
# [18:19] <zzzzz> tnx
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# [18:21] <edmorley> zzzzz: thanks for checking :-)
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# [18:21] <zzzzz> np
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# [18:22] <KWierso> bbondy: ping?
# [18:22] <bbondy> hey
# [18:22] <KWierso> bbondy: so now that updates are back on, I updated bug 757717
# [18:23] <bbondy> thx I'll reply there
# [18:23] <KWierso> k
# [18:26] <josh> bsmedberg: I haven't thought out exactly how I'd do it, but it shouldn't be too hard to add a backup stop to mitigate the bug with plugins continuing to play. We can probably detect that happening relatively easily, stop the plugin and print out a warning message to help with debugging.
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# [18:33] <@ehsan> jfkthame: ping
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# [18:34] <jfkthame> ehsan: pong
# [18:34] <@ehsan> jfkthame: so I'm still seeing unjoined text on bbcpersian.com, and I think I figured out when that happens
# [18:34] <@ehsan> jfkthame: if seems like it happens if firefox tries to auto-restore a bbc tab after opening up
# [18:35] <@ehsan> which is really bizzare
# [18:35] <jfkthame> ehsan: huh, that does seem bizarre
# [18:35] <@ehsan> yeah
# [18:35] <jfkthame> ehsan: but if it's reproducible then we should be able to debug it
# [18:35] <@ehsan> ok
# [18:35] <jfkthame> ehsan: this is with nightly?
# [18:35] <@ehsan> should I file a bug?
# [18:35] <@ehsan> with aurora
# [18:35] <@ehsan> but I'm pretty sure I've seen it in nightly as well
# [18:36] <@ehsan> which is why I thought this has not been fixed the last time I pinged you about it
# [18:36] <jfkthame> ehsan: filing a bug would be good, and i'll see if i can reproduce on my device as well
# [18:36] <@ehsan> ok
# [18:37] <jfkthame> ehsan: does it affect *all* text on the page, or certain fonts only?
# [18:37] <@ehsan> certain fonts only
# [18:37] <@ehsan> the titles of the sections generally look fine
# [18:37] <jfkthame> but the body text is what fails, then?
# [18:38] <@ehsan> yeah
# [18:38] <@ehsan> (and some other text, like the headlines on the main page)
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# [18:38] <jfkthame> ok …. please include those details in the bug - and a screenshot would be great if you can post one
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# [18:42] <jviereck> what does that mean if my builds on the try server are a red "B" and it states "busted"?
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# [18:44] <@ehsan> jfkthame: bug 758257, let's see if I can figure out how to take a screenshot
# [18:44] <mounir> jviereck: the build failed
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# [18:46] <NeilAway> dietrich: unused variable: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/browser/fuel/src/fuelApplication.js#635
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# [18:46] <jfkthame> ehsan: thanks - just waiting for a new download on my device, then i'll see if i can reproduce
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# [18:51] <jfkthame> ehsan: aha, i think i have an idea what's wrong… i'll work up a patch and create a tryserver build for you to test, but might not be till tomorrow, as i'm out this evening
# [18:54] <edmorley> snorp: I believe you have R1 failures https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12029801&tree=Mozilla-Inbound due to bug 747492
# [18:55] <edmorley> snorp: coalescing is making things interesting, so can you confirm if that changeset (as opposed to BenWa's immediately after) could be to blame?
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# [18:57] <snorp> edmorley: not possible for my patch to cause a reftest failure
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# [18:59] <edmorley> snorp: yeah actually looking at benwa's, I should be blaming that, sorry
# [18:59] <snorp> np
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# [19:11] <@khuey> mmm
# [19:11] <@khuey> first nightly crash in more than a month
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# [19:14] <Ms2ger> khuey, guess which of the config files in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/include/md/ we use for Android
# [19:14] <@khuey> Ms2ger: win95?
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> I wish
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> None of them
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> It pulls in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/chromium/src/base/third_party/nspr/prcpucfg.h
# [19:15] <@khuey> haha
# [19:15] <ted_> wat
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# [19:15] <Ms2ger> I was trying to remove that file, but Android burns
# [19:15] <Ms2ger> Shall I land anyway?
# [19:16] <mounir> jlebar: hey
# [19:16] <mounir> did you push a nsIDOMWindow.idl.orig? :)
# [19:16] <jlebar> Apparently.
# [19:16] <mounir> fun :)
# [19:17] <jlebar> lol
# [19:17] <fabrice> dougt: ping
# [19:17] <jlebar> So much for telling bz this was an easy review.
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# [19:20] <dougt> fabrice: pong
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# [19:20] <fabrice> dougt: you're in MV?
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# [19:20] <jlebar> mounir, rs=you to remove it?
# [19:20] <@bz> jlebar: er, did I miss the .orig in my review??
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# [19:21] <dougt> not now, why?
# [19:21] <jlebar> bz, No, turns out I added it myself.
# [19:21] <jlebar> bz, Probably after a rebase. :-/
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# [19:22] <eeejay> halp!
# [19:22] <eeejay> did i break everything??? http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/913e00631067
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# [19:22] <mounir> jlebar: rs+r+sr=me I guess ;)
# [19:22] <mounir> jlebar: you need a sr though, it's an interface :)
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> firebot, review my patch
# [19:23] <jlebar> lol
# [19:23] <firebot> Ms2ger: Your patch looks good. r+sr+ui-r+a=mconnor
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# [19:24] <jlebar> eeejay, I'm not sure what happened, but it looks OK, presuming that http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/995cc950c60e was what you meant to check in?
# [19:24] <jlebar> eeejay, It looks like you merged with m-i instead of rebasing before you pushed?
# [19:24] <eeejay> jlebar, maybe?
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# [19:24] <jlebar> mounir, Actually, looks like someone else already deleted it.
# [19:25] <eeejay> jlebar, it is weird how the same patch could appear in two consecutive changesets
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# [19:25] <dholbert> Ms2ger++
# [19:25] <jlebar> eeejay, yes.
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# [19:25] <Ms2ger> dholbert, mm?
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# [19:25] <dholbert> Ms2ger, at your firebot-training
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [19:26] <eeejay> hopefully the sheriffs will remove that merge commit
# [19:26] <jlebar> mounir, Oh, nm, it's still there. That's just the hg rebase bug where it confuses |remote| and |local|. I'm so glad they haven't fixed that bug...
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# [19:26] <jlebar> eeejay, Can't. Impossible.
# [19:26] <dholbert> eeejay, there is no removing commits
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# [19:26] <eeejay> i hate hg so much
# [19:26] <jlebar> eeejay, You can't do that in git either...
# [19:27] <eeejay> jlebar, interactive rebase, then merge
# [19:27] <jlebar> eeejay, Of a public tree?
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# [19:27] <dholbert> jlebar, you can do the equivalent _locally_ in HG
# [19:27] <dholbert> er
# [19:27] <dholbert> eeejay,
# [19:27] <dholbert> ^
# [19:27] <jlebar> exactly.
# [19:27] <eeejay> jlebar, you check out the tree locally, clean it, and then merge and push to master
# [19:27] <dholbert> eeejay, what happens to all the people who pulled your brokenness?
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# [19:28] <eeejay> dholbert, incoming remains untouched
# [19:28] <mounir> guys, the real question is:is that doable in Perforce?
# [19:28] <dholbert> eeejay, does it disappear from their tree somehow?
# [19:28] <eeejay> dholbert, but no-op commits like that dumb one i made don't go in it
# [19:28] <glandium> Ms2ger: do you have a bug # for removing ipc/chromium/src/base/third_party/nspr/prcpucfg.h ?
# [19:28] <Ms2ger> Not yet
# [19:28] <glandium> Ms2ger: (because i'm pretty sure i filed one a long time ago)
# [19:28] <Mook_as> mounir: I think it's doable in cvs, if you hack the files on the server?
# [19:29] * Ms2ger searches
# [19:29] <dholbert> mounir++
# [19:29] <eeejay> but is it doable on a samba file share?
# [19:29] <glandium> Ms2ger: 558313
# [19:29] <Ms2ger> 558313.. Yes
# [19:29] <jlebar> eeejay, I think your solution requires everyone who pulled your broken commit to rebase their patches after the sheriffs fix the tree.
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# [19:30] <jlebar> eeejay, Anyway, in the future, you can look at |hg outgoing|, which will show you what you're pushing.
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# [19:31] <eeejay> i guess i am saying maybe sheriffs should cherry pick rather than merge
# [19:31] <eeejay> jlebar, ok :)
# [19:31] <glandium> Ms2ger: and it's bug 718760 that is responsible for the android bustage that results
# [19:31] <fryn> dholbert: ping
# [19:31] <fryn> ehsan: ping
# [19:31] <dholbert> fryn, pong
# [19:31] <taras> Jesse: see bug 731741, i hope i didn't misrepresent you
# [19:31] <taras> if i did, please correct me
# [19:31] <fryn> could you take a look at bug 702184?
# [19:31] <@ehsan> Ryan: hi
# [19:31] <@ehsan> dammit
# [19:31] <@ehsan> fryn: hi
# [19:31] <@ehsan> Ryan: un-hi :)
# [19:32] <fryn> ehsan: ^
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# [19:32] <glandium> Ms2ger: the makefile changes from bug 718760 make my eyes bleed
# [19:32] <fryn> making <input placeholder> be displayed for value="" regardless of :focus
# [19:32] <fryn> caused that test to go orange about half the time.
# [19:32] <Ms2ger> glandium, eww.
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# [19:33] <@ehsan> fryn: I'd ping mounir about this
# [19:33] <fryn> alright. he's not online right now. sleeping, i presume.
# [19:33] <Ms2ger> glandium, so do you know a solution? :)
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# [19:34] <mounir> fryn: me?
# [19:34] <@khuey> mounir never sleeps
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> Only eats cheese
# [19:34] <fryn> oh
# [19:34] <fryn> mounir: i thought you were volkmar on irc.
# [19:34] <mounir> fryn: no longer
# [19:34] <fryn> did you change nicks?
# [19:34] <fryn> ah
# [19:34] <fryn> ok
# [19:35] <mounir> maybe a year ago
# [19:35] <glandium> Ms2ger: the problem is that nspr is not built when mozglue is built
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# [19:35] <fryn> mounir: so what do you think we should do about it?
# [19:35] <mounir> fryn: I was sleeping since a very long time obviously ;)
# [19:35] <mounir> about the random orange?
# [19:35] <fryn> yes.
# [19:35] <glandium> Ms2ger: and it can't be, because we need to link nspr against mozglue
# [19:35] <fryn> i think we should disable the test for now.
# [19:35] <fryn> and try to fix the test but not have it block the patch landing.
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# [19:36] <fryn> unless you already know how to fix the test!
# [19:36] <mounir> fryn: this patch doesn't seem that urgent
# [19:36] <mounir> fryn: but i haven't look at the test yet
# [19:36] <mounir> fryn: what's the bug number?
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# [19:36] <fryn> mounir: bug 702184
# [19:37] <@khuey> test_xhr_timeout is really annoying
# [19:37] <jdm> how do you highlight a range in mxr?
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> ?mark=foo-bar?
# [19:37] <jdm> thanks
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> glandium, so what you're saying is "out of luck"?
# [19:37] <fryn> mounir: our checked-in fix attempt is already quite hacky. https://bug702184.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=586540
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# [19:38] <mounir> no, the fix doesn't look very hacky
# [19:38] <mounir> getClientsRects() force the reflow
# [19:38] <fryn> i understand what it does.
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# [19:41] <fryn> mounir: well, i'll try fixing it locally then.
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# [19:41] <glandium> Ms2ger: try this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649304
# [19:42] <allison> what is the "remote Web Console instance" mentioned in the comment at line 470 of browser/devtools/webconsole/HUDService-content.jsm
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# [19:43] <allison> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649305
# [19:43] <Ms2ger> glandium, (with a tab, I assume)
# [19:43] <glandium> Ms2ger: replacing the second hunk with http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649306 might be better
# [19:44] <glandium> Ms2ger: yeah, my terminal sucks at copy/pasting
# [19:44] <joe> allison: you might find more help in #devtools
# [19:44] <Ms2ger> glandium, I'll let you know what try thinks :)
# [19:45] <allison> joe: good idea
# [19:45] <Ms2ger> In a few days, at the speed this push is going...
# [19:46] <glandium> Ms2ger: let me try locally, it will be faster:)
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [19:47] <Ms2ger> glandium, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649307
# [19:47] <Ms2ger> Hm
# [19:47] <Ms2ger> That got cut off :/
# [19:47] <Jesse> taras: i currently only fuzz debug builds. i want debug builds to support both shutdown paths so i can test both shutdown paths. [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731741]
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# [19:48] <taras> Jesse: oh ok, please correct what i said then
# [19:48] <taras> i got it backwards :(
# [19:49] <edmorley> !seen kats
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> glandium, sent it your way :)
# [19:49] <firebot> kats was last seen 3 hours, 39 minutes and 35 seconds ago, changing nick to kats-afk.
# [19:49] <glandium> Ms2ger: i can already tell you my patch doesn't work
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> :(
# [19:50] <glandium> Ms2ger: here, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649309 that works
# [19:50] <Ms2ger> Also, never again will I comment on rust changesets, I don't understand anything of what those people say
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# [19:51] <Mossop> Why do I keep seeing updates fail on windows?
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# [19:52] <@khuey> firebot: uuid
# [19:52] <firebot> 96a9f6f5-2353-47a3-9bf5-4b1e0fe11c08 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
# [19:52] <glandium> khuey: ah thanks, i needed a uuid
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# [19:53] <Ms2ger> Pushing...
# [19:53] <Ms2ger> glandium, thanks a lot
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# [19:54] <glandium> Ms2ger: my pleasure. i wish these headers a sudden death
# [19:54] <glandium> sudden and painful
# [19:54] <Ms2ger> I'll do my best :)
# [19:54] <@khuey> Pike: is Aurora string-frozen?
# [19:54] <glandium> Ms2ger: I'm counting on you :)
# [19:54] <Ms2ger> Uh-oh ;)
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# [19:56] <Pike> khuey: yes
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# [19:56] <@khuey> ok
# [19:57] <jviereck> where is font stuff stored. on the presShell or docShell (or maybe -Context?)
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# [19:58] <Ms2ger> "yes"
# [19:58] <@bsmedberg> Mossop: the old location of pdf.js wasn't added to removed-files, I think
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# [19:58] <@bsmedberg> Mossop: so it's likely that people who had it formerly and updated will have it in both locations...
# [19:58] <Mossop> Hmm, I thought I did that
# [19:58] <glandium> bsmedberg: btw, don't we have stuff checking that ?
# [19:59] <Mossop> But apparently not!
# [19:59] <@bsmedberg> maybe it was a patch that I didn't check in?
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# [20:00] <Mossop> Just got lost somewhere, though I thought we didn't necessarily need removed-files yet. Also I don't have pdf.js in my buikd
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# [20:02] <Mossop> Wow, those sentences didn't make much sense
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# [20:04] <rstrong> glandium: the update system does this already for files except under the extensions and distribution directories since those are customized in some cases (partner repacks, byob, etc.)
# [20:06] <Mossop> Aha
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# [20:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8990746591f9 - Steven Michaud - Bug 736655 - Resize dmg window's background to fit Mountain Lion's new minimum size. r=gavin
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# [20:16] <bjacob> Waldo: i've just been told about MFBT LinkedList and reading the comment on the difference with std::list. This is exactly what I need (the ability to act directly on an element). *hugs*
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# [20:17] <Waldo> bjacob: 301 jlebar
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# [20:18] <bjacob> jlebar: \o/
# [20:19] <jlebar> bjacob, \o/ to you too. :)
# [20:20] <Waldo> \o/ all around!
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# [20:20] <@bz> mm
# [20:21] <@bz> stl:list indirects instead of asking you to inherit?
# [20:21] <@bz> sigh
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# [20:21] <fryn> mounir: are the setTimeouts necessary in this test? https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/bugs/598726-1.html?force=1
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# [20:21] <Waldo> ಠ_ಠ
# [20:22] <fryn> Waldo: are you disapproving of that test?
# [20:22] <Waldo> fryn: disapproving of timeouts in tests in general
# [20:22] <Ms2ger> Disapproving of stl in general
# [20:22] <fryn> i am too.
# [20:22] <justdave> so I have a researcher who's trying to figure out how (or if) the components in Bugzilla map to sections of the codebase for the Firefox and Thunderbird products... tried passing him to several folks related to said products and apparently nobody's replying to him. Anyone know who he should be directed to for help?
# [20:23] <justdave> the module owners page doesn't list anything specific for those products
# [20:24] <jlebar> justdave, Figuring that out would be an interesting research project...
# [20:24] <fryn> ehsan: are the setTimeouts necessary in this test? https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/bugs/598726-1.html?force=1
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# [20:25] <@ehsan> oh heh I wrote this didn't I? :)
# [20:25] <fryn> it seems like the getClientRects() calls would be sufficient?
# [20:25] <fryn> i'm not exactly sure what needs to happen
# [20:26] <fryn> to actually confirm that bug 598726 isn't regressed?
# [20:26] <@ehsan> hmm, me neither
# [20:26] <@ehsan> the original bug was an infinite loop which needed us to hit the event loop to reproduce
# [20:26] <@ehsan> the exact condition where that would happen were not perfectly clear
# [20:26] <@ehsan> and I wouldn't be surprised if that bug doesn't reproduce any more
# [20:26] <fryn> are we still worried about that particular bug being regressed?
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# [20:27] <@ehsan> fryn: here's something to try, take out the code changes in the patch and see if you can repro bug 598726
# [20:27] <@ehsan> if you can't, then take out all of the setTimeout's :)
# [20:27] <philor> justdave: is the question "is there a 1:1 mapping from component to directory"? that's easy, no. is it "tell me for every directory which component and for every component which directories"? that's... good luck
# [20:27] <fryn> ehsan: code changes in which patch?
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# [20:27] <rnewman> gerv: the license change appears to have touched some files it shouldn't (mobile/android/base/json-simple). is there an existing bug number to use for removing MPL headers from such files?
# [20:28] <fryn> ehsan: in the patch for bug 598726?
# [20:28] <Ms2ger> File one
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# [20:29] <KWierso> ehsan: r?you: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649348
# [20:30] <Waldo> we should have ehsan talk to ehsan about how using setTimeout in tests is a bad idea, seeing as ehsan was one of the big war-on-orange people back in the day
# [20:30] <Waldo> ;-)
# [20:30] <@khuey> back in the day when people cared about that stuff?
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# [20:30] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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# [20:30] <Waldo> uh oh, now khuey's turned bitter and jaded
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# [20:31] <Ms2ger> Turned?
# [20:31] <Waldo> we're all getting too old for this :-D
# [20:32] <jlebar> back in my day, none of us had the luxury of being too old for anything. We were as old as we were, and we were grateful!
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# [20:32] <@khuey> I've been bitter and jaded since I was 9
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# [20:33] <jlebar> khuey, There was some formative moment?
# [20:33] <fryn> khuey: what happened when you were 9?!
# [20:33] <Ms2ger> He started hacking Mozilla
# [20:33] <fryn> hmm
# [20:33] <@khuey> jlebar: yes
# [20:33] <@khuey> fryn: long story :-)
# [20:33] <Ms2ger> Tell!
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# [20:33] <Ms2ger> Grandpa khuey!
# [20:33] <Waldo> only if you tell him who you are
# [20:34] <edmorley> rnewman: no bug already that I know of, maybe just file one and mark blocking 715549 so gerv knows what changes need to be made to his script, so it doesn't happen again for any future licence changes (or if he re-runs the script in a few weeks to catch newly added tests with old headers etc)
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# [20:34] <Waldo> <riposte>
# [20:34] <@khuey> Ms2ger: mmm, I think it's time for lunch
# [20:34] <fryn> that seems about the time that Mozilla was open sourced...
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# [20:34] <Ms2ger> :)
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# [20:35] <rnewman> edmorley: ta
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# [20:39] <@ehsan> fryn: yes
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# [20:39] <@ehsan> KWierso: r=me
# [20:40] <@ehsan> Waldo: nope, I always talked about timeouts with non-zero values :P
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# [20:40] <Waldo> fnord
# [20:41] <mounir> sicking: you around?
# [20:43] <fryn> ehsan: i undid your changes to nsRefreshDriver and mounir's testcase doesn't hang.
# [20:43] <sicking> mounir: yes
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# [20:43] <mounir> sicking: \o/
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# [20:44] <@ehsan> fryn: then submit a patch to take out the timeouts and I'll review it :)
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# [20:44] <mounir> sicking: let's talk in #webapi, will be less annoying for other people
# [20:44] <fryn> ehsan: i'm a bit confused as to the logic here.
# [20:44] <fryn> if we can no longer repro the bug,
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# [20:45] <fryn> and we remove the event loop stuff, i.e. setTimeout,
# [20:45] <fryn> what is the reftest going to protect against?
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# [20:46] <fryn> to be clear, i'm not complaining about removing the setTimeouts.
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# [20:48] <@bsmedberg> jimm: hey, I had a tree with some of the work from bug 755724 done... can you show me your patches so I know what I need to do?
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# [20:49] <jimm> bsmedberg: it would be a very big patch since it's the move of fennec xul code down to /browser.
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# [20:49] <@ehsan> fryn: future random breakage of unrelated things :)
# [20:50] <@bsmedberg> jimm: oh uh... I guess I don't understand! ;-)
# [20:50] <@bsmedberg> jimm: is it just file moves?
# [20:50] <sicking> bz: ping
# [20:50] <@bz> sicking: ack
# [20:52] <sicking> bz: got time to chat about cookie jars and principals over in webapi?
# [20:52] <sicking> #webapi that is
# [20:52] <@bz> ok
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# [20:53] <jimm> bsmedberg: not at the moment since I've just copied the files down. I can clean it up and post to the bug if you like.
# [20:53] <@bsmedberg> jimm: oh, you should be able to use `hg mv` to make the patch really small
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# [20:54] <jimm> bsmedberg: ok, let me see if I can clean it up and I'll post it. the only part that isn't set up right yet is branding which I'm currently working on.
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# [20:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9a223634160b - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 757835 - Fall back to not use the maintenance service if there is an error when using the service to stage an update in the background; r=rstrong
# [20:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/26d651834b0e - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 757885 - Handle falling back to non-staged updates correctly when an update fails to be staged in the background; r=rstrong
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# [21:00] <rniwa> hsivonen: yt?
# [21:00] <rniwa> Ms2ger: ok, let's move the discussion here or #whatwg on freenode
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> Here is fine
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# [21:00] <rniwa> Ms2ger: ok.
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> Or whereever :)
# [21:00] <rniwa> Ms2ger: so basically 4.3 Scripting — HTML Standard
# [21:01] <rniwa> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/scripting-1.html#parser-inserted
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# [21:01] <rniwa> Ms2ger: says that we only "prepare" script if the element is NOT marked parser-inserted
# [21:01] <rniwa> Ms2ger: but the fragment parsing algorithm createContextualFragment involves doesn't seem to do anything with respect to this flag
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# [21:02] <rniwa> meaning that it'll be set when the fragment parsing algorithm is returned
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [21:02] <rniwa> Ms2ger: so we'll never "prepare" the script element when the script element is inserted into the document.
# [21:02] <rniwa> Ms2ger: just like already-started
# [21:02] <rniwa> Ms2ger: so I think we'll need to reset BOTH alredy-started and parser-inserted flags
# [21:03] <Ms2ger> I told Hixie I needed something better than this flags mess, dammit
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# [21:03] <rniwa> Ms2ger: so in WebKit, we have a flag indicating whether we're parsing fragment or not
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# [21:03] <rniwa> Ms2ger: and also indicating whether we should mark script elements as already started or not
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# [21:04] <zzzzz> ehsan: what bug are we/you duping to in update fails ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758310
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# [21:04] <Ms2ger> rniwa, in Gecko, we have a nice API, and what happens behind that is hsivonen's business :)
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# [21:05] <gregglind> I seem to be having trouble getting notificationbox'es to persist. I want a button on the message to 'not kill' the notificationbox. I set nb.persistence to 10; https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL/notification
# [21:05] <@ehsan> zzzzz: hmm, that bug is not particularly useful
# [21:05] <rniwa> Ms2ger: and we check that flag inside the parser: http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/117731/trunk/Source/WebCore/html/parser/HTMLConstructionSite.cpp
# [21:05] <@ehsan> let me ask for some information there
# [21:05] <rniwa> Ms2ger: so the spec can do the same as well.
# [21:05] <zzzzz> ok
# [21:05] <rniwa> Ms2ger: i.e. just add a new arguments to the parser
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# [21:05] <rniwa> which indicates whether we're parsing fragment or not and whether script elements should be marked already started or not :)
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# [21:06] <rniwa> Ms2ger: i don't know why we don't set already-started whenever we're parsing a fragment :\
# [21:06] <rniwa> that's red-herring to me.
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# [21:07] <Ms2ger> Why we do, or?
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# [21:09] <hub> ok, the python change just broke the build here
# [21:09] <@ehsan> fryn: r=me
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# [21:10] <hub> trying a clobber first
# [21:10] <fryn> ehsan: thanks :)
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# [21:11] <hub> _virtualenv
# [21:11] <hub> *sigh*
# [21:11] <ted> hub: you on 10.7?
# [21:12] <Ms2ger> rniwa, so you reckon ccf should say something like 'For each script in /fragment node/, set the "parser-inserted" flag and unset the "already started" flag.'?
# [21:12] <hub> ted: no choice
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# [21:12] <hub> ted: yes I am
# [21:12] <ted> okay
# [21:12] <ted> hub: mossop said he saw that too, but i don't have 10.7 locally right now
# [21:12] <ted> did you already clobber your objdir?
# [21:12] <hub> ted: yep
# [21:12] <ted> okay, bummer
# [21:12] <jtcranmer> how do I get an instance of nsIDOMWindowUtils?
# [21:12] <hub> ted: but even without it failed
# [21:13] <ted> hub: well, if you just re-run "make -f client.mk configure"
# [21:13] <rniwa> Ms2ger: no, unset BOTH parser-inserted and already-started
# [21:13] <ted> you should be able to poke at it for me
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# [21:13] <Ms2ger> rniwa, er, right
# [21:13] <hub> let me ssh to the mac so I can cut and paste the output
# [21:13] <hub> (IRC is on the real thing)
# [21:13] <rniwa> Ms2ger: it's kind of annoying that we have to flags to block script execution :\
# [21:13] <rniwa> Ms2ger: and it's totally non-obvious that parser-inserted does this.
# [21:14] <rniwa> Ms2ger: that's probably why we have a bug in the spec in the first place.
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# [21:14] <Ms2ger> It's also annoying that Hixie doesn't handle the flags for me :)
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# [21:14] <jtcranmer> nm
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# [21:15] <hub> if I can manage to ssh
# [21:15] <hub> ted: configure fails
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# [21:15] <ted> okay
# [21:15] <ted> what's the error?
# [21:15] <hub> ted: it does not have a _virutalenv/bin/python
# [21:15] <ted> well that's exciting
# [21:16] <ted> is there any output around where it says "Creating Python virtualenv"
# [21:16] <jhammel> hub: OS?
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# [21:17] <hub> jhammel: 10.7.4
# [21:17] <edmorley> wesj: believe orange from your push: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=d77e62019d94
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# [21:17] <hub> ted: that happen just after "Populating Python virtualenv"
# [21:17] <wesj> edmorley: looking thanks
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# [21:18] <edmorley> ehsan: is that a straight dupe?
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# [21:18] <hub_> ted: I have also a different error before
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# [21:18] <ted> okay
# [21:18] <hub_> https://gist.github.com/07512bc132f61279be99
# [21:18] <ted> hub_: pastebin?
# [21:18] <JonathanS> GCC explorer, you can see which C++ code get assembly output http://gcc.godbolt.org/
# [21:18] <edmorley> ehsan: sorry, unping
# [21:18] <hub_> ted: ^^^^
# [21:19] <ted> hub_: oh, fabulous
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# [21:19] <ted> this fucking thing again
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# [21:19] <bjacob> philor: edmorley: android is red on inbound. has this been taken care of, or should i hold off from pushing?
# [21:19] <@ehsan> edmorley: pong
# [21:20] <@ehsan> edmorley: sorry, unpong :P
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# [21:20] <edmorley> :-)
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# [21:20] <@ehsan> edmorley: and to answer your question, yes
# [21:20] <edmorley> bjacob: I'm looking at it (and the rc orange)
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# [21:20] <edmorley> ehsan: ok, thanks :-)
# [21:21] <ted> hub_: http://diff.pastebin.mozilla.org/1649395
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# [21:21] <ted> can you apply that and try "make -f client.mk configure" again?
# [21:21] <philor> classes.dex? clobber
# [21:22] <ted> philor: i was wondering about that
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# [21:22] <rniwa> Ms2ger: i have a dream to live in the world where code is generated automatically from my fuzzy ideas :)
# [21:22] <wesj> edmorley: backing out my patch
# [21:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/63be356973d3 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 758325 - Add --userdata argument to runemu, a=test-only, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [21:22] <edmorley> ted, philor: so clobber will fix that yeah?
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> rniwa, heh, that would be nice :)
# [21:22] <edmorley> wesj: thanks :-)
# [21:23] <rniwa> Ms2ger: i also have a dream to live in the world where web browser doesn't support any scripting and any pesudo css elements :\
# [21:23] <rniwa> Ms2ger: but maybe i should keep that in my fantasy
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# [21:23] <Ms2ger> :)
# [21:23] <Ms2ger> rniwa, I'll ask hsivonen tomorrow, and push the fix if he agrees
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# [21:23] <rniwa> Ms2ger: thanks.
# [21:23] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [21:24] <philor> edmorley: mostly seems to, anyway - personally I like to mutter "General, you don't have a build dependency system, all you have is a kind of horrible spasm!" while doing it, but I don't think that's actually required
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# [21:24] <edmorley> philor: heh, true :-)
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# [21:24] <KWierso> philor: could you commit this? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649348
# [21:25] <KWierso> I'm having terrible luck getting hg to work for me today :(
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# [21:28] <jesup> ted: I added you to the webrtc makesystem reviews to help cover stuff you didn't write there (especially some of the gyp file changes I made, etc, and to help unload khuey).
# [21:28] <ted> jesup: okay
# [21:28] <bjacob> edmorley: ok to push to inbound now?
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# [21:28] <ted> might not get to it by tomorrow, but next week
# [21:28] <edmorley> bjacob: should be :-)
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# [21:29] <@smaug> !seen jdm
# [21:29] <@killer> I don't know who jdm is.
# [21:29] <jesup> ok. Trying hard to get this stuff initially landed ASAP, so thanks for anything you can do
# [21:29] <firebot> jdm was last seen 1 hour, 45 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying 'xonefmbka: did you set up the mozconfig file like the page describes?' in #introduction.
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# [21:30] <Ms2ger> smaug, (he's in London, so it might be getting a little late)
# [21:30] <ted> hub_: ?
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# [21:30] <@smaug> Ms2ger: bah, London is -2 from EET
# [21:31] <Ms2ger> And a lot of Londoners are just going out for dinner, in fact
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# [21:33] <NeilAway> jtcranmer: do_GetInterface(domWindow)
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# [21:34] <mounir> fryn: i see you pushed to m-i again, did you fix the orange?
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# [21:36] <philor> KWierso: I'm at work for another 6.5 hours, but if that rev is what I think it is, ehsan will be happy to push it
# [21:37] <KWierso> philor, ehsan: that'd work too
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# [21:38] <Ms2ger> strip it all
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# [21:38] <philor> twss
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# [21:39] <Ms2ger> Did you hear about the twssbot?
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# [21:41] <allison> What is the 'remote Web Console' mentioned in browser/devtools/webconsole/HUDService-content.js?
# [21:42] <@ehsan> KWierso: what do you want me to push?
# [21:43] <KWierso> ehsan: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1649399
# [21:43] <@ehsan> KWierso: sure
# [21:43] <KWierso> that should stop updates during jetpack tests
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# [21:44] <@ehsan> KWierso: done
# [21:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5742ef22a91d - Wes Kocher - Bug 758092 - Update revision of Jetpack used in Firefox tests r=ehsan
# [21:45] <@ehsan> KWierso: thanks for your help :)_
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# [21:47] <@bz> smontagu: ack
# [21:47] <@bz> smontagu: thanks for that test fix, btw!
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# [21:48] <KWierso> ehsan: if you said anything to me since I last responded to you, I didn't get it
# [21:48] <smontagu> bz: would you like me to check in the blockee at the same time? it would actually be less effort to do so, since I already have it in my tree from the try push
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# [21:48] <smontagu> bz: sorry it didn't register on my radar earlier
# [21:48] <@ehsan> KWierso: oh, I just said thanks :)
# [21:49] <philor> KWierso: he said "KWierso: thanks for your help :)_" and I figured the drool coming out of the corner of his mouth scared you into quitting
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# [21:50] <KWierso> philor: no, my computer just locked up. the only thing that worked was my mouse cursor. I could click the min/max/close buttons on various windows, but they didn't do anything, and then they no longer showed the hover effects over the buttons
# [21:50] <@bz> smontagu: sounds great to me!
# [21:50] <@bz> smontagu: and no problem; it's not like it was something I was seriously blocked on
# [21:51] <@bz> smontagu: was just trying to clean out my assigned list. ;)
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# [21:51] <hub_> ted: works better. still getting an error, but different
# [21:51] <hub_> ted: sorry I went to lunch
# [21:52] <hub_> ted: https://gist.github.com/531196154b85116ff590
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# [21:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6ad95e65d74d - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 758329 - disable test_emulator_order, a=test-only, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [21:54] <bjacob> jlebar: if i want to replace a nsTArray<T*> by a LinkedList, i should use LinkedList<T>, not LinkedList<T*>, correct?
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# [21:55] <bjacob> jlebar: can you confirm that the linkedlist only stores plain pointers, no copies, no strong references?
# [21:55] <@smaug> bjacob: you can't do that
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# [21:55] <bjacob> smaug: ?
# [21:55] <@smaug> well, you need to change T
# [21:55] <bjacob> smaug: sure
# [21:55] <jlebar> bjacob, Correct to the first question.
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# [21:55] <jlebar> And correct to the second question.
# [21:55] <bjacob> jlebar: thanks
# [21:55] <jlebar> Sure thing.
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# [21:58] <bjacob> jlebar: it's not great that LinkedListElement has methods with such generic names as remove() as it's meant to be used as a base class
# [21:58] <jlebar> bjacob, Indeed.
# [21:59] <bjacob> jlebar: though as these are non-virtual, i guess appropriate :: scoping will resolve any issue
# [21:59] <jlebar> bjacob, I would r+ a patch changing the names to something less generic.
# [21:59] <jlebar> Although Waldo maintains control over mfbt with an iron fist, so we'd probably have to get it by him. :)
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# [22:03] <NeilAway> gavin: we have 55 preprocessed files in toolkit that contain no preprocessing instructions :s
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# [22:04] <NeilAway> gavin: you can increase that to 128 if you don't preprocess licences
# [22:05] <jlebar> NeilAway, Better add some preprocessor instructions to those file!
# [22:06] <bjacob> jlebar: i dont know if i still think it's a big problem, given my previous comment ^
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# [22:06] <gavin> NeilAway: seems like something we should fix
# [22:06] <jlebar> bjacob, It's still weird because those methods have to be public. So your random class has a public remove() method on it that could let other people screw things up.
# [22:07] <bjacob> jlebar: indeed
# [22:07] <jlebar> bjacob, Could you use private inheritance and then make LinkedList<Foo> a friend? /me is not sure if that works.
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# [22:19] <philipp64|laptop> anyone notice that in FF, if you go to print a page, then wander off (say to get a coffee) and come back, the js script for printing your page will be indicated as a non-responsive script?
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# [22:20] <philipp64|laptop> isn't there a way to differentiate busy-waiting (on external events) from spinning-compute bound?
# [22:20] <Standard8> philipp64|laptop: known issues
# [22:20] <Standard8> there's a bug with many dupes around somewhere
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# [22:21] <@bz> philipp64: there is, yes, and we generally do it
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# [22:21] <@bz> philipp64: is this the print dialog just being up and us waiting on it?
# [22:22] <philipp64|laptop> yup...
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# [22:22] <philipp64|laptop> at least that's what it looks like. This is on MacOS 10.7.4.
# [22:22] <@bz> so in general we have a flag for "modal dialog is open, don't time this page"
# [22:22] <@bz> we might not be setting it for the print dialog?
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# [22:23] <philipp64|laptop> seems likely.
# [22:23] <@bz> er
# [22:23] <@bz> which Firefox version are you talking here?
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# [22:24] <@bz> nsCOMPtr<nsIDOMWindow> callerWin = EnterModalState();
# [22:24] <@bz> webBrowserPrint->Print(printSettings, nsnull);
# [22:24] <@bz> LeaveModalState(callerWin);
# [22:24] <@bz> So we are definitely entering/leaving modal state
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# [22:27] <bsmith> josh: updated the bug with the new patch
# [22:28] <@khuey> I've seen the slow script dialog when resuming from sleep recently
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# [22:28] <@khuey> on whatever random page script happened to get in the way
# [22:29] <@bz> khuey: hmmm.. we should fix that
# [22:29] <@khuey> yeah
# [22:29] <@bz> so I can't reproduce with the print dialog so far
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# [22:29] <@bz> str needed
# [22:29] <@khuey> also, Nightly is crashy today
# [22:29] <@khuey> no crashes for a month, then two today
# [22:30] * jlebar just wants to know when gmail will start working again in nightly.
# [22:30] <jlebar> mine hangs at "sending in background..."
# [22:31] <@khuey> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-d285ed8e-1f46-4c3c-acf7-896612120524
# [22:31] <@khuey> really informative stack there
# [22:31] <@khuey> ted: who should I bug about ^
# [22:32] <@khuey> oh, ted left
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# [22:35] <zzzzz> khuey: that was from a nightly ? I've not had any crashes lately here
# [22:36] <@khuey> zzzzz: yes
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# [22:36] <zzzzz> eww, not much help there is there
# [22:36] <@khuey> indeed
# [22:37] <zzzzz> clicking more reports gives an error msg from crash-stat panel
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# [22:39] <hub_> ted: I have patch that allow configure to go through
# [22:39] <NeilAway> gavin: filed 758354
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# [22:54] <nemo> grrr. who had the bright idea of giving transparent PNGs when viewed in firefox a background :(
# [22:54] <nemo> I'd assumed my coworker had screwed up the PNGs until I opened in GIMP
# [22:54] <nemo> not only that, it kinda makes it hard to tell where transparency was applied
# [22:55] <nemo> I assume it was to work around the problem of dark text on dark background.
# [22:55] <Mossop> No matter what we do, someone complains
# [22:55] <KWierso> nemo: the person who listened to all the people moan about it being transparent
# [22:55] <Mossop> In this case I think it's bz's fault :)
# [22:56] <nemo> Mossop: I was complaining about dark text on dark background myself
# [22:56] <nemo> Mossop: not about it being transparent
# [22:56] <nemo> and I still think the right fix for that is sampling the image
# [22:56] <nemo> Mossop: although I think another nice fix would be just setting background-image to a checkerboard that looks like what GIMP uses
# [22:56] <gavin> that's slow
# [22:56] <nemo> gavin: no it isn't
# [22:57] <gavin> I'm glad we had this productive debate
# [22:57] <nemo> gavin: the implementation that was proposed was. there were several simple optimisations that were posted in the bug
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# [22:57] <KWierso> we should render an animated gif in the background behind the image that flashes between white and the dark grey :)
# [22:57] <nemo> gavin: no one ever showed that *those* were slow
# [22:57] <KWierso> everyone's happy!
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# [22:58] <nemo> gavin: i.e. - render to a small canvas, sample those pixels, restrict to images smaller than X by Y dimensions (say, 2 million pixels)
# [22:58] <@bz> so you can't win
# [22:58] <@bz> you can make display of an image "useful" for figuring out where it's transparent
# [22:58] <@bz> or you can make it "readable"
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# [22:58] <@bz> or you can make it "pretty"
# [22:58] <@bz> choose at most 2
# [22:59] <nemo> bz: but it is disconcerting to have a small white square the exact image dimensions that makes it look like someone accidentally flattened the image
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# [22:59] <gavin> every option is disconcerting
# [22:59] <@bz> indeed
# [22:59] <@bz> choosing a random background color would not help
# [22:59] <@bz> it would still look like someone flattened the image onto that background color
# [22:59] <nemo> bz: current one I wouldn't call readable or pretty. http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase242d.xhtml - go w/ that one :-p you can even have the sandy look by combinding colour w/ a translucent png texture :)
# [23:00] <nemo> oh well. whatever. now that I know what happened. just caused a bit of a scare
# [23:00] <@bz> so
# [23:00] <@bz> let me try your page
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# [23:01] <nemo> bz: but anyway. if the colour fills the whole page at least I don't think of it as being an attribute of the image
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# [23:02] <nemo> hm. lemme add a nice sandy texture to the page to simulate what it does right now
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# [23:02] * @bz doesn't think of it that way anyway
# [23:02] <@bz> but psychology is hard like that
# [23:02] <@bz> so on your tests I'm getting times in the 100+ms range
# [23:02] <@bz> for the color calculation
# [23:03] <@bz> maybe that's ok
# [23:03] <@bz> hard to tell
# [23:03] <nemo> bz: for the really huge image or the circuit diagram?
# [23:03] <nemo> I get 1-5ms
# [23:04] <@bz> both
# [23:04] <@bz> on a tablet
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# [23:04] <nemo> huh. definitely don't get 100+ms on my tablet - I'll have to recheck once I get back to it though
# [23:05] <nemo> odd that both would be same speed
# [23:05] <nemo> large one is a "worst-case-that-shouldn't-even-be-applied" and that one *is* a lot slower for me
# [23:05] <nemo> well. not a *lot* slower. 20ms.
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# [23:07] <taras> ehsan: i dont think arguing that on the bug is going to get us anywhere
# [23:07] <nemo> bz: I added the sandiness :)
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# [23:09] <nemo> hm. that's weird. sandiness is lost when setting style.backgroundColor - how odd. why would that change backgroundImage
# [23:09] <nemo> oh. heh. n/m it is just invisible on white. duh
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# [23:13] <@ehsan> taras: I wouldn't wanna argue that on a list for now
# [23:13] <@ehsan> just imagine the titles
# [23:13] <@ehsan> "mozilla is ok with users' dataloss"
# [23:13] <@ehsan> ugh :(
# [23:14] <taras> ehsan: i just feel like the only way to test this
# [23:14] <taras> is to release it
# [23:14] <taras> this is what nightlies are for
# [23:15] <taras> beyond this, all we can do it semi-manual analysis of source code on amo
# [23:15] <@ehsan> taras: oh wait, are we talking about enabling in Nightly when we say "release"?
# [23:15] <taras> ehsan: yes
# [23:15] <@ehsan> taras: oh then I'm 110% fine with that :)
# [23:15] <taras> lol
# [23:15] <@ehsan> the term release confused me
# [23:16] <taras> yeah, i'm happy to let this bake on nightly for a couple of cycles if needed
# [23:16] <@ehsan> totally fine with me
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# [23:20] <padenot> /b 12
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# [23:24] <hub_> ted: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758381
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# [23:26] <marco> I can see bug 758301, shouldn't it be visible only to security people?
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# [23:26] <gavin> marco: you're CCed
# [23:26] <bjacob> jlebar: why don't getters like getFirst() have a const-qualified variant?
# [23:27] <marco> gavin: oh, I see
# [23:27] <jlebar> bjacob, That whole class is not const-correct. :-/
# [23:28] <bjacob> jlebar: would you r+ a patch that adds const-qualified getters returning pointer-to-const?
# [23:29] <jlebar> bjacob, Offhand I would. But I reserve the right to let Waldo convince me that's a bad idea.
# [23:29] <bjacob> Waldo: ^
# [23:29] <bjacob> isn't that what every container does?
# [23:30] <bjacob> because the current LinkedList would require me to adapt my user-code to drop constness
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# [23:33] <fabrice> "Bugzilla has suffered an internal error"
# [23:33] <fabrice> nice
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# [23:34] <jimm> bsmedberg: still working on getting that patch up, but fyi, I wasn't working on what you were working on.
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# [23:34] <jimm> that base problem with the chrome manifest file still needs a fix.
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# [23:38] <NeilAway> is it usual for a push to try to take half an hour or so?
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# [23:39] <NeilAway> KWierso++
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# [23:39] <KWierso> what now?
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# [23:40] <NeilAway> KWierso: animated image background ;-)
# [23:40] <KWierso> ah
# [23:41] <KWierso> photosensitive-seizure-mode: activated
# [23:41] <bent> KWierso, what's this about?
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# [23:42] <KWierso> bent: no one can agree what color should be behind transparent images
# [23:42] <KWierso> I proposed an animated gif that flashes between white and the dark grey
# [23:42] <taras> ehsan: can you comment in the exit(0) bug?
# [23:42] <bent> KWierso, i like it
# [23:42] <@smaug> do we have good innerHTML tests?
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# [23:43] <@ehsan> taras: done
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# [23:43] <taras> ehsan: thanks
# [23:44] <taras> so what's with browserid refusing to remember my password :(
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