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# Session Start: Tue May 29 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:04] <jduell> smaug: so what's a better name (than CallOnClose) for a function that fires a 'close' event?
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# [00:08] <espadrine> jduell: The name "CallOnClose" makes me think that the function will be run when the close event is fired, not that it fires the close event
# [00:08] <@smaug> jduell: DispatchClose ?
# [00:08] <@smaug> DispatchCloseEvent
# [00:08] <jduell> Ok
# [00:08] <@smaug> something like that
# [00:08] <jduell> smaug: so re: sync vs async.
# [00:08] <@smaug> the method does also something else
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# [00:09] <jduell> when we need to dispatch close, and we're doing it from necko calling us via OnStop, there's no need to do it in another event
# [00:09] <@smaug> right
# [00:09] <@smaug> that needs some comment somewhere
# [00:09] <@smaug> and perhaps better name for the parameter
# [00:10] <jduell> smaug: DispatchErrorandCloseEvents?
# [00:10] <jduell> I can throw a "MaybeError" in there if you want to note in the name that error isn't always dispatched
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# [00:11] <jduell> for parameter, I guess I'll go with 'bool sync'
# [00:11] <jviereck1> what kind of units is |itemVisibleRect| here? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/FrameLayerBuilder.cpp#1556
# [00:11] <jviereck1> is that pixel units on the screen?
# [00:12] <@smaug> jduell: close event is dispatched always?
# [00:12] <jduell> smaug: yes
# [00:12] <@smaug> perhaps DispatchCloseEvent is enough and then add a comment that also error maybe dispatched
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# [00:14] <jduell> smaug: or i could call it DispatchCloseConnectionEvents (the algorithm in the W3C spec is called "when the WS connection is closed")
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# [00:15] <@smaug> jduell: CloseConnection or should it be ConnectionClose
# [00:15] <jduell> smaug: oh, is it better to not issue console error for a Cancel() (from tab closing, etc) if we've already started to close cxn?
# [00:15] <@smaug> DispatchConnectionCloseEvents
# [00:15] <jduell> DispatchConnectionCloseEvents is fine w/me
# [00:16] <@smaug> jduell: yeah, if the page has already started to close the connection, why bother to warn to console
# [00:16] <jduell> ok
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# [00:26] <jduell> smaug: ugh--so I have CallOnClose2Event in my code now--don't want to call it DispatchConnectionCloseEventsEvent. How about "HandleConnectionClose" and HandleConnectionCloseEvent?
# [00:27] <jduell> smaug: or OnConnectionClose?
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# [00:30] <jduell> smaug: or just "DoJSClose"?
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# [00:30] <@smaug> JSClose?
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# [00:31] <jduell> smaug: ah, never mind. All the names are horrible
# [00:31] <@smaug> jduell: so it is CallOnClose2 which dispatches the events ?
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# [00:31] <jduell> smaug: yes
# [00:32] <@smaug> so it should be called DispatchConnectionCloseEvents
# [00:32] <@smaug> and the other method something else
# [00:33] <@smaug> PrepareForConnectionCloseEvents? (quite horribly long)
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# [00:56] <billm> does anyone know why linux32 tests aren't running on tryserver?
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# [01:00] <darktrojan> the last change on m-i doesn't appear to be building at all
# [01:00] <philor> scheduler? who needs a scheduler?
# [01:00] <darktrojan> it's on holiday too?
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# [02:17] <philor> nice, we apparently really did package up a 10.5 debug build where nsBrowserGlue.js includes a call to .tsstExactPermission()
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# [02:25] <jtcranmer> hmm
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# [02:25] <jtcranmer> if I have a binary encoding of utf-16 for a body of a multipart message
# [02:25] <jtcranmer> should I encode the CRLF and boundary as utf-16 or ASCII?
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# [03:08] <Bas> Does anyone know if '[Parent][RPCChannel] Error: Channel error: cannot send/recv' is just indicative of one of the sides crashing?
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# [03:20] <tbsaunde> does it look to anyone else like I only got tests on linux opt in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=818de65ba81f ?
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# [03:22] <philor> tbsaunde: it looks to me like you didn't get any tests, which doesn't surprise me much since isn't mochitest-a11y a part of mochitest-other or mochitest-o or whatever trychooser calls it?
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# [03:23] <tbsaunde> philor: oh, yeah
# [03:23] <philor> mochitest-o
# [03:23] <tbsaunde> yup, I'm dumb
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# [05:09] <sawrubh> Can I use |dump()| to dump and entire object
# [05:09] <sawrubh> I basically want to check if an object has some methods defined
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# [05:09] <sawrubh> I'm basically carrying out some browser chrome mochitest. So I want to see the output there
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# [05:17] <sawrubh> and can I use a dump in the try part of the try catch block too ?
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# [06:16] <dzbarsky> does anyone know if this test is correct according to dom/es spec? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1650851
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# [06:20] <heycam> dzbarsky, I think it's correct -- DOM properties for IDL operations should be non-writable data attributes on the prototype, and assigning to the same named property on the object itself should override it and place that property on the object itself
# [06:21] <dzbarsky> heycam: ok, thanks. i guess we just don't do that yet
# [06:21] <heycam> dzbarsky, maybe try it with one of the interfaces that has the new dom bindings, might get the correct behaviour there
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# [06:38] <philor> you know what I love? I love incomprehensible new failures on multipart incomprehensible pushes for security bugs
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# [06:40] <philor> ideally when the person pushed at 3am their time
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# [06:46] <Unfocused> yea, i love doing that!
# [06:46] <Unfocused> oh, wait, were you being sarcastic?
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# [06:54] <@khuey|away> stupid irc client
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# [06:59] <khuey_mibbit> perfect
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# [07:00] <Unfocused> i wonder how many times khuey|pto-until-june-4 will get pinged in that time
# [07:02] <JonathanS> vaction?
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# [07:03] <JonathanS> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/23959671985/because-one-new-class-should-require-updates-in :P
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# [07:11] <scientes> Unfocused, lol
# [07:11] <scientes> Unfocused, its even funnier when they comment on your bugs during that time ;)
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# [07:16] <JonathanS> scientes, Is it is a feature?
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# [07:22] <scientes> happened with my last (and first ;) ) patch
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# [07:42] <philor> ugh
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# [07:43] <philor> roc: ping?
# [07:43] <@roc> h
# [07:44] <philor> roc: mats' push in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=6d605438199c - look at the log for any of the "green" mochitest-other runs
# [07:45] <philor> I filed it as intermittent, apparently because I was only seeing it when something else failed too, but... wtf?
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# [07:46] <philor> I guess I need to back the whole push out, but I can only say so in one of the three bugs
# [07:47] <@roc> you should have superpowers
# [07:47] <@roc> I'll CC you on the bugs as soon as my browser unfreezes
# [07:48] <philor> thx
# [07:48] <philor> I do have superpowers, but my power is "see the bad in everything" not "see all bugs" :)
# [07:48] <@roc> something is rather wrong with the log parsing there
# [07:48] <@roc> that probably deserves its own bug
# [07:49] <@roc> thanks
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# [07:51] <@roc> anyone know how to use DOM Inspector or anything like it on mobile?
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# [08:12] <philor> do we design our bug component names and descriptions to keep people from finding the right one, or is that just a bonus?
# [08:13] <philor> is mochitest-browser-chrome Testing: Mochitest, Testing: Mochitest Chrome, or Testing: BrowserTest?
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# [08:16] <philor> oh, yeah, I'd forgotten the fun of bug 678420 for hiding failures, where you fail and then make the browser navigate back, so you load the previous test and hide your failures
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# [08:17] <@roc> hoho
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# [08:29] <AryehGregor> What will break if I don't use NS_LITERAL_STRING?
# [08:29] <AryehGregor> Or put another way: when do I actually need to use it?
# [08:30] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: how else to you plan to convert a c string into a utf16 nsString?
# [08:31] <AryehGregor> Why can't there be an implicit cast?
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# [08:34] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: you want a magical cast that does sortt-of-maybe-utf8 -> utf16, that sounds like a creapy thing to have
# [08:35] <tbsaunde> also, for perf that conversion needs to happen at build time
# [08:35] <tbsaunde> so, operator nsAString (char*) won't do
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# [08:36] <AryehGregor> Hmm, okay.
# [08:36] <tbsaunde> I think once we can stop caring about non-cxx11 compilers we can probably do something with u""
# [08:37] <AryehGregor> I think NS_LITERAL_STRING already uses that, doesn't it?
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# [08:40] <AryehGregor> Anyway -- makes sense, thanks.
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# [08:43] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: looks like it does when it can
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# [09:11] <AryehGregor> With a patch I'm writing: /mnt/extra/checkouts/mozilla-central/parser/html/nsHtml5TreeOperation.cpp:375:58: error: cannot convert nsGetterAddRefs<nsIContent> to mozilla::dom::Element** for argument 1 to nsresult NS_NewElement(mozilla::dom::Element**, already_AddRefed<nsINodeInfo>, mozilla::dom::FromParser)
# [09:11] <AryehGregor> That file already has #include "mozilla/dom/Element.h".
# [09:12] <AryehGregor> Why would that be?
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# [09:12] <AryehGregor> It should implicitly cast, I thought.
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# [09:13] <AryehGregor> Oh, wait, the cast is the wrong way.
# [09:13] <AryehGregor> It would cast a return properly, but not an out parameter. Bleh, lame.
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# [10:15] <lahabana> hello there anybody here has a few minutes to reply to a few questions on layout for #716875
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# [10:25] <gaston> nice it's been three days in a row that m-c/c-c built fine unpatched on openbsd :)
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# [10:26] <Yoric> gaston: Don't worry, I should be able to break this soonish :)
# [10:27] <gaston> i knew saying that was going to have unwanted consequences :)
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# [10:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2582b429e896 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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# [10:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/254a734ccaf3 - Marcos Santiago - Bug 740237 - Use for...of loops in Add-ons Manager frontend and backend code. r=Unfocused
# [10:31] <Steve> hi all. build q on windows. if I modify a Makefile.in (for a plugin), do I need to run make -f client.mk from the root to recreate the make-able Makefile or is there an easier solution (aside from just editing it) ?
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# [10:33] <mounir> gaston: ping
# [10:33] <gaston> mounir: yes ?
# [10:34] <mounir> gaston: regarding bug 758849, I wonder why are you adding |ifneq| instead of |ifeq|?
# [10:34] <darktrojan> woah, for .. of
# [10:34] <darktrojan> I've never seen that one
# [10:35] <darktrojan> hmm my awesome bar just called me a liar
# [10:35] <gaston> mounir: those gnu make constructs are just black magic to me, i just copypasted it from js/src/Makefile.in
# [10:35] <glob> darktrojan, lol
# [10:35] <darktrojan> clearly it didn't sink in
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# [10:36] <gaston> iirc 'ifneq (,$(filter list of patterns,$(VAR)))' is true if $VAR is one of 'list of patterns'
# [10:36] <gaston> but i wouldnt be 100% sure on that, and if there a better human-readable idiom id be happy to use it instead
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# [10:37] <gaston> glandium: -^ ? :)
# [10:37] <mounir> gaston: seems like our code is always using ifneq so I guess this is correct
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# [10:39] <gaston> gmake black magic :)
# [10:40] <NeilAway> Steve: usually the Makefile manages to remake itself, assuming there are no errors in your Makefile.in
# [10:41] <Steve> thanks neil. ah - got it. the make from the parent should check the timestamp on the Makefile.in & update as required.
# [10:42] <Steve> will try that after current compile completes. cheers.
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# [10:43] <Steve> will have a go at one off your new fangled async offscreen plugin thingies soon :)
# [10:43] <NeilAway> Steve: actually the Makefile checks its own timestamp
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# [10:43] <Steve> even better :)
# [10:43] <NeilAway> Steve: the only reason the parent does it too is if you have errors in your Makefile.in then you can't use it to remake itself any more ;-)
# [10:44] <Steve> sure. either way, I can avoid huge rebuilds for minor changes. that's all I need.
# [10:44] <NeilAway> Steve: there is another way to remake makefiles (when they are listed in allmakefiles.sh) but I never use it so I can't remember
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# [10:45] <Steve> don't worry - if I can just make from parent to update, that'll do fine.
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# [10:47] <Steve> will be back with comments/q/input once I get my head around the offscreen/async architecture. on windows, an async shared surface is created ?
# [10:48] <Steve> nvm. will go look at the code. hopefully you've just done what I hope you've just done, in which case gecko just got very cool indeed.
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# [11:03] <@smaug> Ms2ger: Huomenta. What is the status of getting rid of Attr nodes?
# [11:04] <@smaug> (just curious )
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# [11:16] <mounir> gaston: btw, try to avoid commit messages on two lines
# [11:16] <mounir> only the first one appears on hg logs
# [11:17] <mounir> gaston: I mean, the first line should be the commit message + the reviewer, you can add more information in other lines
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# [11:19] <gaston> is there a max width in characters then ? 72 ?
# [11:20] <mounir> gaston: no, there is no max width
# [11:21] <gcp> Make the first one a summary, put the rest of the information one blank line below.
# [11:21] <gcp> Most mozilla people don't really do that though. Given that you always link to bugzilla, might as well put the explanations there.
# [11:21] <gaston> every project has its own different rules for that :)
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# [11:22] <gcp> I'm sure people aren't going to be upset for adding more comments :P
# [11:22] <gcp> though I personally always just look in the bug for the explanation what the patch does.
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# [11:37] <AryehGregor> I was always used to giving lengthy and informative commit messages, but hg hides them by default, so I follow Gecko convention.
# [11:37] <AryehGregor> Also, you do need all the info on the bug anyway.
# [11:37] * AryehGregor shrugs
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# [11:42] <@roc> some Gecko commits have lengthy and informative commit messages
# [11:42] <Ms2ger> s/some/dbaron's/, you mean? :)
# [11:43] <@roc> I used to often attach an informative message in the Bugzilla comments field when I attached a patch, now more often I put it in the patch itself
# [11:43] <gaston> on a more general pov, its useful to have as much information as possible in the commit msgs so that you can do with hg/git log only without having to open the corresponding bz
# [11:43] <@roc> you're always going to want Bugzilla to understand a patch in detail
# [11:43] <@roc> I tihnk
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# [11:44] <@roc> history of the bug, testcases, why certain alternatives were not used, etc
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# [11:46] <gcp> review comments...
# [11:46] <gaston> depends on the level of understanding you want
# [11:47] <gaston> for example my experience with other projects with 'more elaborated commit msgs'
# [11:47] <gaston> is that you can live with git log -p (ie commit msg + diff) to understand what happens and you only resort to the bug discussion for full understanding of the rationale behind the change
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# [11:48] <gaston> (different projects, differents habits, so much material for flamewars and trolls...)
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# [11:48] <AryehGregor> Some projects don't have organized bug trackers for most commits, e.g., the Linux kernel. Then the commit message is really essential.
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# [11:48] <AryehGregor> When I was a MediaWiki developer, there was no pre-commit review, so often I'd commit things without filing any bug.
# [11:49] <gaston> lots of projects still work like that
# [11:49] <AryehGregor> (Which is especially nice for simple stuff. It's a bit awkward in Gecko to have to file a bug for absolutely anything. I guess I could probably get away with an unreviewed patch to fix a typo in a comment, but . . .)
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# [11:50] <AryehGregor> (I try to sneak in boring patches by posting them to unrelated bugs.)
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# [11:50] <@roc> yes, that is a problem
# [11:50] <gaston> for example xfce only uses bugzilla for bug reporting, openbsd uses mailing lists...
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# [11:50] <@roc> doesn't seem to slow down Ms2ger though :-)
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# [11:51] <gaston> it's quite cumbersome to use bugzilla for everything but the advantage is that _everything_ is correctly tracked
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# [11:52] <gaston> on the total opposite, when i work on something on openbsd, you have to guess in the cvs log what happened for a particular change which is not even explained in commit message, then pester the original commiter who usually never remembers why he did that change, etc..
# [11:52] <Ms2ger> At least those people are still around...
# [11:53] <Ms2ger> Trying to figure out why ftang made changes... :)
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# [11:53] <gaston> yeah, that's especially funny when you ask someone about a commit that was 10 years ago, and that someone stopped workingon the project 9 years ago :)
# [11:53] <glandium> gaston: without mentioning the fact that serious search in cvs log is ... hum... unproductive
# [11:53] * Ms2ger is glad to have bonsai
# [11:54] <Ms2ger> I mean, it sucks, but it doesn't suck *that* badly :)
# [11:54] <gaston> now i rely on git mirrors that at least convert the cvs commits into actual changesets :)
# [11:54] <glandium> Ms2ger: i'd say it sucks, but it makes cvs browsing less of a pain
# [11:55] <Ms2ger> Pff, git
# [11:55] <gaston> s/git/any decent scm that works with atomic changesets/ if you want :)
# [11:55] <Ms2ger> You mean, hg ;)
# [11:56] <Ms2ger> </troll>
# [11:56] <gaston> heh
# [11:57] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, so, how do you deal with .rej files being created by qpush, e.g. when pulling or when you changed a lower patch? Now, in git the local commits are still tracked with history, so you can do a rebase with proper three-way merge . . .
# [11:57] <glandium> gaston: subversion has atomic changesets.... that doesn't make it very good by today standards
# [11:57] <gaston> yeah, but it's still better than cvs :)
# [11:57] <AryehGregor> And in case your answer is "use hg pull --rebase", that doesn't drop patches that got accepted upstream.
# [11:57] * AryehGregor narrowly avoided having to learn how to use CVS -- phew
# [11:57] <Ms2ger> No, hg rebase is broken
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# [11:58] <Ms2ger> I tend to fix the .rej and use patch, or apply the changes manually
# [11:58] <AryehGregor> Glad we agree on that, at least.
# [11:58] <Ms2ger> Is that good? Meh :)
# [11:58] * AryehGregor tends to qpop and fix the patch manually
# [11:59] <glandium> AryehGregor: feel lucky you don't know sccs or rcs
# [11:59] <AryehGregor> But it's really annoying, since it totally doesn't have to be that way.
# [11:59] * Ms2ger should go and do something more productive than arguing about vcs's
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# [12:06] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: is rebase still broken?
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# [12:17] <AryehGregor> NeilAway, yes. Less so than it used to be, perhaps.
# [12:18] <AryehGregor> One really annoying thing is it doesn't automatically drop local commits that were accepted upstream, which makes it very annoying to use with mq.
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# [12:46] <ttaubert> whimboo: hey
# [12:46] <whimboo> ttaubert: just in the second I updated the bug.... mind helping us on bug 756997?
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# [12:59] <ttaubert> whimboo: will look at it, need to finish a review first
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# [13:00] <whimboo> ttaubert: thanks
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# [13:14] <AryehGregor> nsHTMLEditor::IsTextPropertySetByContent has a void return type and a boolean out parameter.
# [13:14] <AryehGregor> . . .
# [13:14] <AryehGregor> An nsresult return type and boolean out parameter is bad enough, for things that shouldn't actually fail, but a *void* return type?
# [13:14] * AryehGregor guesses he has nothing better to do than complain while he waits for "searching for changes" when pushing to try
# [13:14] <@roc> it's editor; do you have to ask
# [13:14] <AryehGregor> No.
# [13:14] <AryehGregor> No, I really don't.
# [13:15] <AryehGregor> Fortunately, my new version has a boolean return type, and takes an nsIContent* instead of nsIDOMNode*.
# [13:15] <@roc> good stuff
# [13:15] <AryehGregor> And validates parameters using MOZ_ASSERT.
# [13:15] <@roc> booo
# [13:15] <AryehGregor> What should I use, NS_ENSURE_*?
# [13:16] <AryehGregor> Those just beg for problems to be ignored.
# [13:16] <@roc> NS_ASSERTION to not crash debug builds every time they hit an editor bug
# [13:16] <AryehGregor> Recently Ms2ger and I accidentally caught a years-old typo in editor code by switching to MOZ_ASSERT.
# [13:16] <AryehGregor> Nobody had noticed before.
# [13:16] <AryehGregor> Well, we actually have pretty good test coverage now!
# [13:16] <AryehGregor> Also, I'm only using it for the new variants I introduce, so they're not called by legacy code.
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# [13:17] <AryehGregor> All the old stuff still calls the nsIDOMNode* version, which doesn't assert, so their bugs won't blow anything up.
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# [13:17] <@roc> better, but crashing on new editor bugs is not ideal either
# [13:18] <AryehGregor> Better than no one noticing them. In my experience, the crash happens on test suite runs.
# [13:18] <AryehGregor> So it doesn't get checked in to start with.
# [13:18] <AryehGregor> I guess we'll see if this annoys people too much going forward.
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# [13:26] <Ms2ger> mounir, huh, weird (re: int32 casts)
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# [13:27] <edmorley> gerv: the google search rank for the http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/ page is pretty low compared to the old one, so I've gone through and changed all the old 1.1 links I could find on wiki.m.o and MDN
# [13:27] <Ms2ger> edmorley++
# [13:27] <Ms2ger> (And good morning)
# [13:27] <@roc> The JS engine people go on about how their fatal asserts are "not ignorable" etc, but when they crash my debug builds and disrupt my debugging, that's still my problem. bug 758016 is my latest.
# [13:27] <gerv> edmorley: Thanks.
# [13:27] <edmorley> gerv: however, I don't know if it's worth making the obsolete banner on http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/boilerplate-1.1/ more like the MDN style yellow banner things?
# [13:27] <edmorley> Good morning Ms2ger :-)
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# [13:28] <gerv> edmorley: Example URL?
# [13:28] <Ms2ger> Also, where did my TMS go?
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# [13:31] <gerv> edmorley: The MDN banner seems to be red: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIDOMStorageEventObsolete
# [13:31] <gerv> I can certainly copy that.
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# [13:32] <edmorley> gerv: yeah I think I was mis-remembering (or thinking of the wikipedia style banners) the one you linked to or https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Obsolete:_XPCOM-based_scripting_for_NPAPI_plugins were the kind of thing I meant
# [13:32] <edmorley> Ms2ger: TMS?
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# [13:33] <gerv> edmorley: OK.
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# [13:33] <jtcranmer> grrr
# [13:34] <jtcranmer> why does IOUtils use scriptableInputStream:;read instaed of ::readFromBytes?
# [13:34] <jtcranmer> er, ::readBytes
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# [13:41] <AryehGregor> roc, really I'd be fine if MOZ_ASSERT was a no-op in actual use, even in debug builds, and only got hit in tests.
# [13:41] <AryehGregor> I just want it for regression testing.
# [13:41] <@roc> then you really want NS_ASSERTION and a fix in bug 404077
# [13:41] <AryehGregor> That would help, yes.
# [13:42] <AryehGregor> People tend to mark those as expected and ignore them, though, instead of updating the code to not generate them.
# [13:42] <@roc> you say that like it's a bad thing
# [13:43] <AryehGregor> Well, I'm not opposed to grandfathering in old assert failures, but I don't see any excuse for new patches to be generating them -- if it's really an assert, new checkins shouldn't cause new failures.
# [13:43] <@roc> personally, I think having to treat every bug as top priority simply because someone chose to introduce a fatal assertion for no particular reason is not a sensible way to prioritize bugs
# [13:43] <AryehGregor> I'm okay with just removing the assert in that sort of case.
# [13:43] <@roc> I agree with you about a no-regressions policy though
# [13:44] <@roc> we count assertions in layout and rarely resort to just increasing assertion counts, and never without analysis of why assertion counts are increasing
# [13:44] <AryehGregor> Mmm.
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# [13:44] <@roc> often it's because some code was already asserting and some change is just making that code run more times
# [13:45] <AryehGregor> A lot of these are just null pointer checks. There should be a better way to do those -- why can't we get the compiler to verify non-nullness somehow for us in most cases?
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# [13:45] <AryehGregor> Yes, that's annoying, and in those cases the assert should probably be removed IMO.
# [13:45] <@roc> maybe, although if they point to real bugs then it's still annoying
# [13:45] <@roc> to have to remove it
# [13:46] <@roc> but I claim it's not a major problem in practice
# [13:46] <AryehGregor> Another case where I use MOZ_ASSERT is when a function should have no sensible reason to fail, but things it wraps return an nsresult, and I don't want to propagate it -- if there's some error that causes an early return I want to know about it and check for it explicitly, not just more-or-less-silently propagate the error.
# [13:46] <AryehGregor> Again, I'd really like this to only be hit in tests.
# [13:46] * AryehGregor ponders
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# [13:46] <AryehGregor> I have to go now, but I'll think about it.
# [13:46] <@roc> NS_ASSERTION is perfect for that
# [13:46] <AryehGregor> If bug 404077 were fixed, maybe I'd agree.
# [13:47] <ttaubert> whimboo: http://tinyurl.com/bo7n62d, I don't see a ja/ file in there
# [13:47] <AryehGregor> And ideally I'd like NS_ASSERTION failures to be non-ignorable in tests -- the assertion should be removed if it's actually hit.
# [13:47] <AryehGregor> If there's an NS_ASSERTION, the whole point is I should be pretty sure it's never false. Otherwise, why call it an assertion?
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# [13:47] <AryehGregor> (I mean, if new tests or code trigger an assertion, the assertion should be changed to NS_WARNING or something)
# [13:47] <@roc> of course it should never be false, but there are bugs
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> Right, but at that point NS_WARNING with a pointer to the bug is appropriate, not NS_ASSERTION.
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> So as not to mislead the reader.
# [13:48] <@roc> nope
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# [13:48] <AryehGregor> Okay, I've really got to go -- talk to you later.
# [13:48] <@roc> ok
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# [13:56] <sawrubh> what does this : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1650874 stack trace mean ?
# [13:57] <whimboo> ttaubert: me neither because they dont' translate on central. but wether we use the dtd or properties file we get a fialure. seems like we have inconsistent code paths here
# [13:57] <sawrubh> I want to know in what order were the calls made and which was the call which actually failed
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# [14:07] <NeilAway> roc: I routinely used to ignore a JS fatal assert but click-to-play reduces the load on my computer so I don't trip it any more
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# [14:09] <mounir> Ms2ger: do you agree this should be |foo = -foo|?
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# [14:11] <Wes> %1331000297874?
# [14:11] <Wes> oops
# [14:11] <sewardj> really, irc != gdb
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# [14:18] <darktrojan> Unfocused, I have zamboni running \o/
# [14:18] <sawrubh> sewardj: are you referring to me? I know irc!=gdb. I was just asking whether the lines at the top were called first or were the lines at the bottom of the stack trace called and that's how the error travelled up
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# [14:26] <whimboo> ttaubert: thanks. will check in a bit
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# [14:33] <jprmc> edmorley: possible to get https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681114 merged and spin a new nightly? We need some diagnostic info for Fennec
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# [14:35] <edmorley> jprmc: that bug was merged in the merge I did about 30 mins ago, I was just filing some bugs before I marked everything as fixed
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# [14:35] <edmorley> jprmc: I've retriggered Nightlies on m-c tip (78852a6d11ab), which includes that :-)
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# [14:37] <jlebar> Who owns mozbase?
# [14:37] <bhearsum> #ateam
# [14:37] <jlebar> Thanks.
# [14:37] <bhearsum> probably some combo of ted, jhammel, jmaher
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# [14:38] <jprmc> edmorley: thanks!
# [14:39] <edmorley> np
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# [14:44] <Ms2ger> edmorley, www.bbc.co.uk/tms obviously
# [14:45] <edmorley> silly me :-)
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> mounir, afaict, yes
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# [14:46] <decoder> what would be the best way to automatically determine the try revision I just pushed to try
# [14:46] <decoder> automatically
# [14:46] <decoder> it seems that hg on the command line does not return it somehow
# [14:46] <Ms2ger> Do you use trychooser?
# [14:47] <decoder> Ms2ger: you mean the addon?
# [14:48] <decoder> i just use the syntax
# [14:48] <Ms2ger> Mm
# [14:48] <decoder> the overall problem im trying to resolve is to automatically know the URL where to expect the build
# [14:48] <decoder> that includes the pushed rev
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# [14:52] <Ms2ger> decoder, do you have an example of such a URL?
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# [14:54] <decoder> Ms2ger: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/decoder@own-hero.net-66b682590666/try-linux64-debug/
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> hg log -r tip --template="http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/decoder@own-hero.net-{node|short}/try-linux64-debug/\n"
# [14:55] <Ms2ger> Seems to work
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# [14:58] <decoder> isnt the revision you get like that your local revision?
# [14:58] <decoder> it's different on try
# [14:58] <Ms2ger> It shouldn't be
# [14:58] <decoder> im using mq locally, does that influence it?
# [14:58] <decoder> it was for me
# [15:00] <decoder> hm no, you're right
# [15:00] <decoder> i must have been doing something wrong, because I tried to go this way first
# [15:00] <decoder> thanks
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# [15:00] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [15:26] <ted__> decoder: note that if you refresh your mq patch the revision will change
# [15:26] <ted__> the revision you push is exactly the same, but the changeset ID depends on a hash of a bunch of properties of the changeset, including the timestamp and other things...
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# [15:30] <decoder> ted__: yea I noticed that it changes even when I just qpop and qpush again. but it didnt work using hg identify
# [15:30] <decoder> Ms2ger's proposal works fine
# [15:30] <decoder> ill use that
# [15:30] <ted__> hg id should be the same thing
# [15:30] <ted__> it's just giving you the topmost revision
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# [15:32] <decoder> ted__: maybe i did something else wrong. I was using the rev returned by hg identify right after pushing
# [15:32] <decoder> that didnt work
# [15:32] <ted__> okay
# [15:32] <ted__> well, it should :)
# [15:32] <decoder> good to know :D
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# [15:39] <glandium> i remember that hg qpop; hg qpush didn't change the changeset id, because mq stores the timstamp and author in the patch, did that change?
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# [15:41] <mbrubeck> qpop;qpush changes the ID for me
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# [15:41] <mbrubeck> The timestamp changes.
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# [15:43] <glandium> mbrubeck: i think i've seen it not change the id in the past ; that could well have changed
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# [15:47] <ted__> i think there might be a config option for that as well
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# [16:20] <Standard8> edmorley: did you get my email about sheriffs? I think I may have sent it to your bugmail address
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# [16:20] <edmorley> Standard8: yeah I did thank you, sorry just been working through my open tabs first
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# [16:21] <Standard8> edmorley: np, just wanted to check it hadn't gone to the wrong place ;-)
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# [16:22] <bjacob> how can i printf stuff in a way that shows in android opt mochitest logs?
# [16:22] <mounir> bjacob: maybe printf_stderr() works?
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# [16:22] <edmorley> Standard8: all added
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# [16:23] <Standard8> edmorley: thanks, nice
# [16:23] <bjacob> mounir: nope
# [16:23] <Standard8> edmorley: that also answers the question about adding trees ;-)
# [16:23] <bjacob> mounir: this prints to logcat, but logcat isn't captured in android mochitest logs
# [16:23] <mounir> bjacob: oh... that sounds unfortunate :(
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# [16:26] <edmorley> Standard8: you get the add tree function yeah? (can't remember whether you do, and can't see with is_admin)
# [16:26] <Ms2ger> bjacob, there are a couple of places where we have code for that...
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# [16:26] <Ms2ger> bjacob, MOZ_OutputAssertMessage is one place
# [16:26] <bjacob> Ms2ger: ah thanks
# [16:27] <Standard8> edmorley: the field is there ;-)
# [16:27] <Standard8> edmorley: and it seems to work :-)
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# [16:29] <edmorley> Standard8: we don't yet have delete functionality, that's https://github.com/catlee/treestatus/issues/7
# [16:29] <Standard8> edmorley: I'll be careful ;-)
# [16:30] <Standard8> edmorley: what are we doing about non-supported old trees? Should we just eventually remove the hooks from those?
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# [16:31] <bjacob> Ms2ger: jmaher says on #mobile that won't work as the mochitest logs are sourced from a separate file that mochitests write directly into
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# [16:32] <Ms2ger> jmaher, boo
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# [16:32] <edmorley> Standard8: I'd like to keep treestatus as uncluttered as possible (along the lines of bug 758882 comment 0), and initially it won't be a problem, since it fails open
# [16:32] <jmaher> Ms2ger: it is all about reliable solutions, pulling logcat is not reliable unless you have a 1:1 mapping
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# [16:33] <Ms2ger> jmaher, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3wp1yU15o1rspplwo1_500.jpg
# [16:33] <edmorley> Standard8: but once we switch to fail closed (bug 758888), then yeah we can use the list of hg hooks I requested in bug 758994 to decide what needs removing
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# [16:35] <Standard8> edmorley: ok thanks. I've just set up the active TB trees
# [16:35] <catlee> edmorley: if you can craft the appropriate POST request you can delete trees
# [16:35] <edmorley> Standard8: oh sorry, just seen the end of your email; so yeah seems like we are in agreement
# [16:35] <catlee> there's just no UI for it :)
# [16:35] <edmorley> catlee: ha true :-)
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# [16:37] <Standard8> catlee: does remember previous state do anything? It doesn't appear on the individual tree pages...
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# [16:39] <lahabana> roc have you got a sec
# [16:39] <lahabana> I've got a question about the layout debugger
# [16:40] <lahabana> what are the 4 numbers in between "{}" when you display the frames?
# [16:40] <_alex> roc: hi I'm working with lahabana. We are talking about the "box parameters"
# [16:40] <catlee> Standard8: yeah, it's for when you close multiple trees on the main page
# [16:41] <catlee> and want to re-open them all to what they were at before
# [16:41] <Standard8> catlee: ok cool
# [16:41] <_alex> we don't know to which parameter each one refers to
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# [16:42] <Ms2ger> peterv, is your patch queue online somewhere?
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# [16:56] <graydot> gps: i am trying to pickup https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757351
# [16:57] <graydot> how do i reproduce the bug?
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# [17:00] <gps> graydot: if you run the Sync xpcshell tests, you should see the warnings printed on stdout
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# [17:00] <johanc> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1650917 do I need to worry?
# [17:00] <graydot> gps: thanks
# [17:00] <gps> graydot: errr. let me double check that...
# [17:01] <graydot> gps: i am totally new to the codebase. I am guessing the developers introduction should have documentation to run these tests?
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# [17:02] <lduros> if you build FF using: ac_add_options --disable-system-extension-dirs is there still a way to have extensions installed/enabled by default?
# [17:03] <lduros> I want extensions on the rest of the system not to be enabled/installed (like ubufox) but I still want to add some extensions by default with it
# [17:03] <mbrubeck> graydot: See https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Running_automated_tests for documentation
# [17:03] <gps> graydot: OK. so the error is in Sync's UI code and it gets printed when you run Firefox from the command-line
# [17:03] <graydot> mbrubeck: thanks.
# [17:03] <Matt> if I add a XUL element to my XUL window that is associated with an XBL binding, the binding doesn't seem to happen right way
# [17:03] <gps> although, I can't reproduce it now
# [17:03] <Matt> is there an event I can listen for?
# [17:03] <Matt> when I check a couple of seconds later, it is bound, so I guess it is happening asynchronously after the element is added to the document
# [17:04] <graydot> gps: I opened the menu item tools>set up sync… Should that have triggered the warning?
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# [17:06] <@ehsan> catlee: so, every time I log in to the treestatus app, I get a message saying that I do not have permission to log into it, even though that when I go to the home page I see that I am in fact signed in!
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# [17:07] <gps> graydot: OK. the warnings are printed to stderr and the Error Console when Sync is first loaded
# [17:08] <gps> I was able to trigger this by opening the Sync preferences pane
# [17:08] <gps> graydot: do you have Firefox compiled from source?
# [17:09] <graydot> gps: yes. Nightly. But i didn't turn debugging on
# [17:09] <gps> I don't think you need debugging for this
# [17:09] <gps> you should see 3 warnings in the Error Console
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# [17:10] <NeilAway> Matt: what's your use case?
# [17:10] <graydot> gps: error console is common across the app. I am not able to open a separate error console for the sync window
# [17:11] <graydot> gps: sorry, that was a question
# [17:11] <Matt> NeilAway: I have a XUL window (not navigator:browser)
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# [17:11] <Matt> I create a panel using createElement and append it to a popupSet in the window
# [17:11] <Matt> and then I call openPopup but the binding is not there yet
# [17:11] <edmorley> ehsan: you're not listed as a user, so not sure how you are signed in?
# [17:11] <Matt> so I want to wait until the binding is there
# [17:11] <@ehsan> edmorley: presumably as a result of a bug ;)
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# [17:12] <edmorley> well yeah
# [17:12] <NeilAway> Matt: hmm, I don't know of anywhere we do that which we could copy from :s
# [17:12] <lduros> one last question if anybody knows: any way to disable sync when building FF? maybe --disable-sync -- i haven't tried, and it's not listed in ./configure --help
# [17:12] <Matt> NeilAway: so I am doing something unusual?
# [17:12] <Matt> NeilAway: should I just include the panel(s) in the XUL directly
# [17:12] <edmorley> ehsan: I meant more that it's not a "ehsan is in the users list but isn't allowed access"
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# [17:12] <Matt> or use a timer maybe?
# [17:12] <edmorley> ehsan: I can add you now, unless you wish to replicate?
# [17:13] <@ehsan> edmorley: no, let's keep me out of it for now
# [17:13] <@ehsan> I can log in anyways ;)
# [17:13] <NeilAway> Matt: well, I believe what we normally do is to include <panel hidden="true"> in the xul, then when you need it, you unhide it and open it
# [17:13] <gps> graydot: yes, the Error Console is global. Tools -> Web Developer -> Error Console
# [17:13] <Matt> NeilAway: the problem is that I can have an arbitrary number of panels, at least in theory
# [17:13] <Matt> tha
# [17:13] <Matt> t's why I wanted to create them dynamically
# [17:13] <KaiRo> umm, nice crash signature: mozilla::ipc::Shmem::Alloc(mozilla::ipc::Shmem::IHadBetterBeIPDLCodeCallingThis_OtherwiseIAmADoodyhead, unsigned int, mozilla::ipc::SharedMemory::SharedMemoryType, bool, bool)
# [17:14] <Matt> but I guess I can just use X panels if the dynamic creation is not going to work
# [17:14] <Matt> it would be nice if I could addEventListener("bindingCompleted") or something like that
# [17:14] <graydot> gps: could i post a link to a screenshot to ensure i am doing everything as i should?
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# [17:14] <Ms2ger> KaiRo, well, was it IPDL code calling it? :)
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# [17:15] <gps> graydot: go ahead. or do you want me to post a screenshot?
# [17:15] <graydot> gps: http://i45.tinypic.com/2ntefs8.png
# [17:16] <glandium> oh msvc, i despise thee
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# [17:17] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: no idea, didn't look deeper as it's just a signle aurora user who crashed there a couple times
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# [17:17] <Ms2ger> Was it dbaron's phone? :)
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# [17:18] <gps> graydot: hmmm. I just reproduced with a fresh profile by loading the "Set Up Sync" window. how old is your source tree?
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# [17:21] <Matt> NeilAway: for future reference, what I've done is put an iframe in the panel and wait for DOMContentLoaded
# [17:21] <Matt> th
# [17:21] <Matt> e bindings seem to be there at that point
# [17:22] <graydot> gps: checked out yesterday night
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# [17:22] <KaiRo> Ms2ger: no idea, but I doubt he runs WinXP on his phone - the reports are here: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?signature=mozilla%3A%3Aipc%3A%3AShmem%3A%3AAlloc%28mozilla%3A%3Aipc%3A%3AShmem%3A%3AIHadBetterBeIPDLCodeCallingThis_OtherwiseIAmADoodyhead%2C%20unsigned%20int%2C%20mozilla%3A%3Aipc%3A%3ASharedMemory%3A%3ASharedMemoryType%2C%20bool%2C%20bool%29
# [17:22] <graydot> gps: 24 hours ago
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# [17:22] <graydot> gps: might the platform matter? I am on OSX
# [17:22] <gps> weird. anyway, it appears that the "best" solution (using the OS.Constants) isn't available from Sync code (refresh the bug)
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# [17:23] <gps> I'm tempted to put this on hold until those constants are available
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# [17:23] <graydot> gps: ok. I will pick up another bug :)
# [17:23] <graydot> thanks for being helpful
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# [17:24] <gps> unless someone around here knows how to access OS.Constants from the chrome thread
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# [17:25] <Yoric> gps: From the main thread, this isn't implemented yet.
# [17:25] <Yoric> Used to be, but we decided to first get it better tested on worker threads :)
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# [17:26] <gps> Yoric: do you have a tracking bug for that?
# [17:26] <Yoric> Don't know if this is the best solution, of course.
# [17:26] <Yoric> bug 750178
# [17:26] <Yoric> Just pointing out that somewhere in the code, these constants have a name :)
# [17:26] <gps> it is better than typing bit flags w/o octal :)
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# [17:39] <bent> Bas, ping
# [17:39] <Bas> bent: pong
# [17:40] <bent> Bas, hey, got this in windbg
# [17:40] <bent> what kind of info do you want in the dump?
# [17:40] <Bas> bent: The values of mA and mB at the top of the stack would be interesting.
# [17:40] <bent> full heap?
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# [17:40] <Bas> bent: And the debug/log output would probably be even more awesome.
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# [17:41] <Bas> bent: As well as the current working set of the process (-not- the private working set)
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# [17:41] <bent> Bas, when you say debug/log output...
# [17:42] <bent> i'm in a nightly build
# [17:42] <bent> is there some log file you're talking about?
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# [17:42] <Bas> bent: Probably not if there was no debugger attached and no console :(
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# [17:42] <bent> well
# [17:42] <bent> i attached...
# [17:43] <bent> let's se
# [17:43] <bent> e
# [17:43] <Bas> bent: So how often is this happening to you?
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# [17:43] <Bas> (sadly this is an optimized build I guess? Stacks are going to be very confusing)
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# [17:44] <bent> happens about once every half hour when i'm using google reader
# [17:44] <Bas> bent: Interesting, so how's memory usage when you crashed?
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# [17:45] <bent> looks like 3.5g
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# [17:48] <bent> Bas, can CreateSimilarDrawTarget return null?
# [17:48] <bent> in gfxContext::PushGroup i have 'newDT' null
# [17:48] <Bas> bent: In theory, yes. And the 3.5G probably explains why.
# [17:49] <Bas> You ran out of address space.
# [17:49] <Bas> So I'm guessing this is just indicative of a leak.
# [17:49] <Bas> Now the challenge is finding that leak :s
# [17:49] <bent> this build has only been up for about twenty minutes
# [17:49] <bent> yeah
# [17:49] <Bas> bent: I'm guessing you don't have any leak detection software?
# [17:49] <bent> no
# [17:50] <bent> though,
# [17:50] <bent> if this is really just running out of address space
# [17:50] <Bas> (In the meanwhile I'll try to find this as well, the problem is my huge amount of GPU memory makes it take a while before I start swapping into user space)
# [17:50] <bent> then why is it always crashing with the same stack?
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# [17:50] <bent> for me and khuey
# [17:50] <Bas> bent: Probably because creating large graphics surfaces it a +/- 3MB allocation, not many other allocations are that big.
# [17:51] <bent> well,
# [17:51] <bent> i would suggest looking at the changelog for the nightly that we started seeing this on
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# [17:51] <bent> it was a very noticeable
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# [17:52] <bent> one day no crashes, the next crashed every half houtr
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# [17:52] <Bas> bent: I'm almost certain this is just a leak in the new Azure code.
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# [17:52] <Bas> I turned on a very large amount of new code there.
# [17:52] <bent> oh ok
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# [17:57] <bent> Bas, any way i can disable that new azure code for my sanity?
# [17:57] <bent> pref or something?
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# [17:57] <Bas> bent: Yes, flip gfx.azure.content.enabled
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# [17:58] <bent> ok
# [17:58] <Bas> bent: If that doesn't help, well, then I guess it isn't my fault, but I seriously think it is :)
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# [17:59] <bent> Bas, so this dump, is it useful? sounds like no
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# [17:59] <Bas> bent: Nah, I wouldn't bother. If it's OOM, that explains why the stack would look like this.
# [18:00] <bent> ok
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# [18:44] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, http://whereswalden.com/2011/10/20/implementing-mozillaarraylength-and-mozillaarrayend-and-some-followup-work/ fwiw
# [18:45] <Waldo> I think I filed a bug on changing the html5 parser files for that, fwiw
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# [18:45] <Ms2ger> Waldo, this is DOM code :)
# [18:45] <Waldo> okay, was guessing at context
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# [19:15] <froydnj> is str.Append(NS_LITERAL_STRING(...) as efficient as str.AppendLiteral(...)?
# [19:15] <mrbkap> froydnj: I think it's slightly less, but I don't remember why.
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# [19:15] <mrbkap> froydnj: either way, you should prefer AppendLiteral.
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# [19:17] <Waldo> NS_LITERAL_STRING might either be a compile-time thing or a runtime thing, so no, it's not as efficient possibly
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# [19:17] <Waldo> anyone know why some modules insist on prefixing every JSAPI call with ::? it seems like mostly pointless line noise
# [19:17] <froydnj> figured asking would be more efficient than tracing through XPCOM string headers :)
# [19:18] <jorendorff> it is pointless line noise
# [19:18] <froydnj> hm, StringBeginsWithLiteral would be nice
# [19:18] <Waldo> you could add it, but that'd arguably only make our string APIs worse
# [19:18] * Waldo dearly wishes someone would just clean up all the XPCOM string APIs once and for all
# [19:18] * mrbkap didn't think that was possible.
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> Waldo, you mean, for the fifth time?
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# [19:18] <Waldo> mrbkap: debatable
# [19:19] <Waldo> Ms2ger: it's a long journey
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# [19:19] <mrbkap> Waldo: That presumes that there's some perfect string API to aim for.
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# [19:19] <Waldo> mrbkap: within epsilon-ish, sure
# [19:19] <mrbkap> Waldo: and given the number of string APIs that aren't perfect floating around, I'm beginning to doubt that's possible.
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> Waldo, guess what, you get to design the MFBT string API :)
# [19:19] <jlebar> I think the API is mostly fine -- what sucks is the fact that it's spewed over eleven headers with random names.
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# [19:20] <Ms2ger> jlebar, just go for nsStringGlue.h, that'll get you everything you need :)
# [19:20] <Waldo> template by macro is also a winning pattern
# [19:20] <jlebar> And that some methods are available only on some classes, for no reason.
# [19:20] <jlebar> Ms2ger, Not for reading...
# [19:20] <jlebar> Waldo, Indeed, although that's not an API problem.
# [19:20] <Waldo> it kind of is, since it affects debugger displays
# [19:21] <Waldo> but sure
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> Yeah, the macro stuff is somewhat annoying
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# [19:21] <Waldo> "somewhat"?
# [19:21] <Waldo> Ms2ger is being corrupted
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# [19:21] <mrbkap> jlebar: but some of the names make sense now and some of them made sense 7 years ago!
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# [19:21] <mbrubeck> Oh good, wesj's Android-only patch broke Mac OS X on Aurora. :/
# [19:22] <Ms2ger> Waldo, man, I touch editor/
# [19:22] <Waldo> anyone know how much I should fear touching XBL code as regards cycle collection within it?
# [19:23] <jhammel> alot :P
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# [19:24] <froydnj> think bjacob already tried templatizing strings and was shot down
# [19:24] <Waldo> !!!
# [19:24] <Ms2ger> Yes, a lot
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# [19:24] <Waldo> !summon bz
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# [19:25] <Waldo> froydnj: link or it didn't happen
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# [19:26] <froydnj> Waldo: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717356
# [19:26] <jhammel> froydnj: physically shot down or just conceptually? ;)
# [19:26] <Ms2ger> Physically, unfortunately
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# [19:26] <jhammel> poor bjacob
# [19:27] <wesj> mbrubeck: i may have forgotten to wave my hands and whisper magic words while landing that. also, wtf.
# [19:27] <ted> BenWa: is there a reason we don't just enable the profiler on nightly builds?
# [19:27] <froydnj> "ah, yes, there's the corpse of the last bloke who tried touching the string API"
# [19:27] <ted> seems like that'd be easier than making users use a different nightly
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# [19:27] <jlebar> ted++
# [19:27] <BenWa> If everyone is ok with that
# [19:28] <ted> we have some precedent for enabling extra diagnostic type stuff on nightlies
# [19:28] <jlebar> BenWa, If it's actually as low-overhead as you say. :D
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# [19:28] <BenWa> It's fine on Mac, I think the hit may be higher on win32
# [19:28] <jlebar> BenWa, Can it be disabled via a pref (e.g. for testing?)
# [19:28] <ted> BenWa: what's the perf hit for enabling it? just frame pointers + some small overhead for sampling?
# [19:28] <froydnj> ted: Brace yourselves, the talos regression emails are coming
# [19:28] <BenWa> So it depends how we want to enable it
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# [19:28] <Waldo> froydnj: I am depressed
# [19:29] <BenWa> right now you need nightly-profiling + extension
# [19:29] * froydnj hands Waldo some boost headers to cheer him up
# [19:29] <BenWa> So we can require nightly + extension or bake the extension like PDF.js
# [19:29] <ted> froydnj: you know that microsoft ships windows with frame pointers?
# [19:29] <Waldo> froydnj: I do not think that word means what you think it means
# [19:29] <ted> they apparently found that there wasn't a measurable benefit
# [19:29] <ted> and the benefit of having usable stacks was pretty big
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# [19:29] <Waldo> on 32-bit, the extra register helps us a bit for JS codegen, as I understand it
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# [19:30] <BenWa> We had measured the perf hit, it was noticable on talos
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# [19:30] <froydnj> ted: win32 sanity? say it ain't so!
# [19:30] <ted> i know, right?
# [19:30] <Waldo> 64-bit, less so, given lower register pressure
# [19:30] <ted> stupid x86 and its lack of registers
# [19:30] <Waldo> but we're not shipping 64-bit, because I am not going to say why or what I think of that decision
# [19:30] <BenWa> If we're willing to take the regression on nightly then I would be fine with that
# [19:30] <ted> i don't think it'd be a big issue
# [19:30] <ted> i would be in favor
# [19:31] <ted> shipping it in releases would be harder to justify
# [19:31] <BenWa> Well my plan was to get more people using it first
# [19:31] <ted> yeah
# [19:31] <ted> well
# [19:31] <ted> giving it to nightly users would give you more users :)
# [19:31] <BenWa> My extension works in release builds actually, but I don't mention that cause it's confusing
# [19:31] <BenWa> its work in that limited mode
# [19:31] <ted> ah
# [19:31] <ted> anyway, i would support that
# [19:31] <ted> (enabling it for nightlies)
# [19:32] <ted> i think it'd be awesome to be able to ship it in releases, honestly
# [19:32] <BenWa> ted: Ok thanks. I'll see how popular it becomes and suggest it then
# [19:32] <ted> but i don't know if that's feasible
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# [19:32] <BenWa> ted: I would like to suggest building all 64 bit with framepointers TBH
# [19:32] <ted> that seems eminently reasonable
# [19:32] <BenWa> So we would get mac releases
# [19:33] <BenWa> And maybe someday we will ship win64 :)
# [19:33] <ted> heh :)
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# [19:33] <ted> if we enable frame pointers maybe i don't have to get that patch to handle win64 unwind info into breakpad :-P
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# [19:34] <Waldo> I though the x86-64 ABI just didn't have a frame pointers at all
# [19:34] <ted> BenWa: really awesome work btw
# [19:34] <ted> very cool that we're able to ship this at all
# [19:34] <ted> Waldo: it specs them as not needed by default
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# [19:34] <jlebar> BenWa, If the profiler doesn't requires frame pointers, is it fair to say it "doesn't require a custom build"?
# [19:34] <ted> but optionally in %rbp
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# [19:35] <jlebar> er, if the profiler *does* require frame pointers
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# [19:35] <ted> exception unwinding semantics require unwind tables
# [19:35] <ted> so you technically have the info you need, except for some kinds of functions
# [19:35] <BenWa> jlebar: I meant to say it doesn't require a local build
# [19:35] <BenWa> like valgrind
# [19:35] <ted> but then you have to deal with unwind tables, which are DWARF on mac/linux
# [19:35] <froydnj> "some kinds of functions"?
# [19:36] <jlebar> BenWa, I see. But at least when we were making shark builds (are we still doing that?) people could download a -fno-omit-frame-pointers build.
# [19:36] <ted> froydnj: it's my understanding that there are types of functions that don't generate unwind info by default
# [19:36] <ted> but i'm not 100% clear on it
# [19:36] <jlebar> BenWa, Anyway, I'm picking nits.
# [19:36] <BenWa> jlebar: That's exactly what the nightly-profiling branch is
# [19:36] <froydnj> ted: well, assembly is the obvious kind...but that's just buggy assembly
# [19:36] <ted> froydnj: that's certainly true on ARM, which has similar unwind rules
# [19:36] <BenWa> -fno-omit-frame-pointers
# [19:36] <jlebar> BenWa, I see.
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# [19:36] <ted> froydnj: can't say i understand it fully
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# [19:37] <froydnj> ted: I have tried to avoid learning about ARM unwind bits :)
# [19:37] <ted> oh god it's complicated
# [19:37] <ted> then again, on x86-64 it's DWARF
# [19:37] <ted> so how much worse can it be?
# [19:37] <froydnj> from what little I have seen, I have gotten that bit
# [19:37] <BenWa> ted: Supporting the ARM unwinding would be nice, but we're stuck with the pseudo release unwinding for Fennec. Which was actually very useful, look at the performance improvements we did with it with Native Fennec.
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# [19:38] <ted> i pulled the libunwind code out into breakpad to be able to translate arm unwind tables into breakpad's format
# [19:38] <froydnj> ted: just be thankful you haven't looked at IA64's unwind tables :)
# [19:38] <ted> i'm gonna keep not knowing anything about IA64
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# [19:38] <zzzzz> link and info on this Profiler you all speaketh of ?
# [19:38] <jviereck> is there some good practise to figure out why some wrong area is invalidated during repaint?
# [19:38] <froydnj> good move
# [19:39] <jviereck> or, can I see what area get's repainted at all?
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# [19:39] <ted> zzzzz: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Performance/Reporting_a_Performance_Problem
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# [19:39] <zzzzz> tnx
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# [19:41] <froydnj> jviereck: toggling nglayout.debug.paint_flashing might help?
# [19:41] <jviereck> thx!
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# [19:42] <zzzzz> ted: from the chat above, I gather that the addon won't stand alone without the special build ?
# [19:42] <ted> zzzzz: benwa says it's not quite as useful
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# [19:42] <ted> but sort of
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# [19:42] <zzzzz> ok
# [19:43] <ted> you want to ask benwa about this stuff, not me
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# [19:44] <BenWa> zzzzz: It will
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# [19:45] <BenWa> zzzzz: What are you looking to profile? Nightly?
# [19:45] <zzzzz> that's all I use, mostly hourly's though
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# [19:45] <zzzzz> m-c win32
# [19:45] <BenWa> zzzzz: Just get them from the profiling branch instead
# [19:45] <zzzzz> ok
# [19:45] <BenWa> you still get some profiling on m-c win32
# [19:46] <BenWa> but the profiling win32 will be more detailed
# [19:46] <zzzzz> ok
# [19:46] <BenWa> So try both, see what works for you
# [19:46] <zzzzz> tnx
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# [19:49] <toji> I've got some questions involving the implementation of the performance API's in Firefox. Anyone in here able to help with that?
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# [19:49] <froydnj> boo, asserts in MapsMemoryReporter.cpp
# [19:49] <bjacob> toji: do you mean the new profiler? ask BenWa
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# [19:50] <toji> No, as in the window.performance… APIs
# [19:50] <toji> Unless that's what you mean by "profiler"
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# [19:51] <Waldo> it's definitely not what he meant :-)
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# [19:52] <Waldo> toji: I would suggest looking at hg logs for the relevant code to see who to ask -- or are you asking as a web developer, not as someone looking to discuss the code in question?
# [19:52] <BenWa> toji: Nope, I'm not the right person for these APIs
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# [19:53] <toji> Sort of, let me explain: I've noticed several pages fail randomly when using the shims I created for performance.now() (https://github.com/toji/game-shim)
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# [19:54] <toji> What happens is that those shims appear to work for ~5 seconds and then suddenly disappear from the performance object
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# [19:54] <toji> This suggests that the entire object is being rebuilt behind the scenes when some value on it changes
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# [19:55] <toji> I'm wondering if there's a way to monitor for that so I can reinstall the shim and allow it to continue working in stable Firefox
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# [19:55] <toji> Obviously the need for it goes away in the nightly channels, so this is really just a short-term fix, but it's one I'd like to put in place nonetheless
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# [19:58] <taras> i'm having a lot of crashes that involve painting busting followed by a crash
# [19:58] <taras> since this weekend
# [19:58] <bjacob> toji: hg log points to Gijs Kruitbosch
# [19:58] <jtcranmer> taras: exacerbated by my page? ;-)
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# [19:58] <taras> nope
# [19:58] <taras> seems to do with browser interaction
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# [19:59] <bjacob> toji: and Igor Bazarny
# [20:00] <bjacob> toji: no idea what their irc nicks are
# [20:00] <Waldo> jmaher: I feel like I just missed out on something awesome
# [20:00] <jhammel> Waldo: he is trying to be like me
# [20:00] <jhammel> lord knows why
# [20:00] <jmaher> Waldo: heh, I was just bugging jhammel in #ateam
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# [20:00] <toji> Okay, thanks Benoit. I'll see if I can hunt them down.
# [20:01] <Mook_as> toji: on IRC, Gijs is Gijs :) (he's not around at the moment, it seems)
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# [20:01] <jviereck> froydnj: thanks, I see now the wrong area being invalidated.
# [20:01] <jviereck> what are the pixel units on the screen that determ the size of an area that gets invalidated? Are they in this "gfxUnits"?
# [20:01] <Waldo> jhammel: we need more people like you
# [20:02] <Waldo> humor is underappreciated around here :-(
# [20:02] <jhammel> Waldo: i would have thought one was borderline too many ;)
# [20:02] <jmaher> :)
# [20:02] <bjacob> Waldo: could you please take a look at 758396
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# [20:02] <Waldo> jhammel: us jeffs must hang together, else they will assuredly hang us separately
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# [20:03] <jhammel> :)
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# [20:04] <benfrancis> Does anyone know what heuristics Firefox uses to fetch favicons? Does it check for /favicon.ico first before following links in <head>? Any idea where the code is for that?
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# [20:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3e32a1d1f1a8 - Joel Maher - Bug 759374 - deploy new talos.zip to capture bug 758738. r=armenzg
# [20:05] <Waldo> bjacob: looking
# [20:05] <jwir3> nice work on the profiler, BenWa. I'm excited for it.
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# [20:06] <BenWa> jwir3: Thanks, find and file some perf bugs with profiles :)
# [20:06] <BenWa> Let me know if you have a few spares cycles, look for a bit of help
# [20:06] <jwir3> wiil do
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# [20:07] <edmorley|away> benfrancis: nice work on the HR seating plan email btw, that cracked me up :-)
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# [20:07] <gps> anyone seeing Skia compile errors with Clang?
# [20:08] <Waldo> bjacob: done
# [20:08] <gps> SkFontHost_mac_coretext.cpp:810:28: error: non-constant-expression cannot be narrowed from type 'CGFloat' (aka 'double') to 'SkScalar' (aka 'float') in initializer list [-Wc++11-narrowing]
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# [20:08] <bjacob> Waldo: thanks
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# [20:09] <jfkthame> gps: see bug 755869
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# [20:09] <Ms2ger> gps, makes sense, we just updated to Skia trunk
# [20:09] <glandium> Waldo: MOZ_STATIC_ASSERT is not supported in a class, isn't it?
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# [20:09] <Waldo> glandium: directly within one, no
# [20:10] <glandium> Waldo: so how can one do static asserts in templates?
# [20:10] <Waldo> glandium: method within the class, put a call to that method in the constructor, or destructor, or some other method everyone will use
# [20:11] <glandium> Waldo: not going to work on a class that is actually never instantiated (for obscure reasons)
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# [20:11] <Waldo> glandium: I think I'd like to see what it is you're actually doing
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# [20:13] <jwir3> is anyone else getting issues upgrading nightly on linux? It keeps telling me it can't update when I restart.
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# [20:14] <glandium> jwir3: i had the problem on windows today
# [20:14] <glandium> jwir3: but i was upgrading from 14.0a1
# [20:14] <rillian> jwir3, it worked from me on linux64 twice today
# [20:14] <jwir3> glandium: Hm... I am on FF15, and it's been happening for a week or so
# [20:14] <rillian> ff16
# [20:14] <froydnj> jviereck: I do not know; you have exhausted my layout knowledge :)
# [20:15] <KWierso> jwir3: maybe the background updates thing isn't working properly?
# [20:15] <rillian> jwir3, once or twice I've had the update get things into a confused state and had to re-install nightly
# [20:15] <myk> bsmedberg: i'll remove WEBAPP_RUNTIME_ID when checking in the fix; you're right, it's overkill
# [20:17] <glandium> Waldo: actually, i do have an instance, but i don't want a constructor or a destructor because that would add static initializers, which is exactly what i'm going after
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# [20:17] <bjacob> glandium: implement your own custom static-assert-like mechanism for that
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# [20:18] <glandium> bjacob: well, what if someone else wants to do something similar?
# [20:18] <Ms2ger> That's worse than being shot for XPCOM strings
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# [20:18] <Waldo> glandium: does the class have any methods at all?
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# [20:18] <glandium> Waldo: no
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# [20:19] <Ms2ger> heycam|away, btw, you probably want to reference http://ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/ now
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# [20:19] <Ms2ger> *crash*
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# [20:20] <NeilAway> benfrancis|afk: iirc if we haven't seen a <link> for a favicon by the time the page loads, we look for a /favicon.ico
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# [20:21] <Waldo> glandium: why aren't you just using direct instance variables? I'm really pretty confused by this :-)
# [20:21] <ted> toji: sounds like wrapper issues, if your expandos are going away
# [20:21] <ted> toji: but that's about as far as i'd speculate
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# [20:22] <glandium> Waldo: instance variable would be clutter, do you mean static variables?
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# [20:24] <Waldo> glandium: possibly; I really would like to see whatever it is you're actually doing, because I'm still a little confused about that
# [20:24] <glandium> Waldo: bug 616262
# [20:26] <glandium> Waldo: i want to check that the type given to CCParticipantVTable meets some criteria
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# [20:27] <glandium> Waldo: although, i could probably extend CCParticipantVTableImpl with another bool
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# [20:27] <Ms2ger> dzbarsky, http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Opera/microdata/001.html should pass for you now :)
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# [20:29] <Waldo> glandium: couldn't you put the static assert into the Impl class?
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# [20:29] <glandium> Waldo: the impl class is templated
# [20:29] <dzbarsky> Ms2ger: 5 failures left :) can you write a patch to import it?
# [20:29] <Waldo> in the operator& you seem to have in each
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# [20:30] <dzbarsky> Ms2ger: and thank you
# [20:30] <Waldo> glandium: btw, overloading operator& is usually a bad idea, as I understand it
# [20:30] <Ms2ger> Np, and thank you!
# [20:30] <Waldo> .addr() or such is preferred
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# [20:30] <glandium> Waldo: well here, it's intended to be overloaded.
# [20:31] <Waldo> where'd I go wrong in life to be reading cycle collection code :-)
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# [20:31] <froydnj> Waldo: should've stuck with the boost headers
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# [20:32] <glandium> Waldo: even worse, cycle collection code that re-implements vtables differently
# [20:32] <Ms2ger> dzbarsky, if you apply the patch I attached earlier, just running |python importTestsuite.py html.txt| in dom/imptests should work
# [20:32] <Ms2ger> dzbarsky, but I can attach a new patch if you prefer
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# [20:32] <hub> another day, another breakage on Mac
# [20:32] <davidb> does randell jesup hang on irc?
# [20:32] <hub> in Skia this time
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# [20:33] <glandium> froydnj: i suspect we'd be well over 4GB of RAM necessary by the linker if we were using boost headers
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# [20:33] <dzbarsky> Ms2ger: ok, i'll do that
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# [20:33] <Ms2ger> davidb, yes, jesup / jesup|laptop
# [20:33] <davidb> Ms2ger: ty
# [20:33] <Ms2ger> hub, yep, reported and it won't happen again ;)
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# [20:33] <Ms2ger> dzbarsky, thanks!
# [20:33] <davidb> jesup: hi! is there anything ui landing as part of webRTC?
# [20:33] <hub_> here is the build breakage https://gist.github.com/07abfc962800d015be7a
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# [20:34] <Ms2ger> hub_, yeah, reported twice in bug 755869 :)
# [20:34] <froydnj> glandium: boost: the secret plan for driving 64-bit adoption
# [20:34] <@dolske> davidb: bug 748835 is the piece I'm aware of.
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# [20:34] <davidb> dolske: ty
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# [20:36] <jesup> davidb: Not in the first landing. There will be UI for permissions (getUserMedia), but that's TBD. boriss has some mockups that are nice
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# [20:37] <davidb> jesup: ok cool, thanks.
# [20:37] <jesup> davidb: bug 748844
# [20:37] <davidb> i was just hunting :)
# [20:39] <@dolske> jesup: is UX involved in the webrtc parts? nothing beyond 748835 has come across my radar, so if you're wanting UX/front-end resources that probably needs to be starting!
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# [20:40] <hub> maybe it is time that there be a clang buildbot for Mac
# [20:40] <hub> so that this kind of breakage get caught
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# [20:42] <froydnj> hub: espindola is working in that direction
# [20:42] <hub> or maybe just a Lion buildbot
# [20:42] <hub> as some other breakage recently were Lion specific
# [20:42] <espindola> hub, the bots are Lion :-)
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> And a BSD buildbot for gaston's birthday
# [20:42] <hub> espindola: they don't seem to turn orange
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# [20:43] <espindola> hub, no, we ignore lots of tests that fail on lion :-(
# [20:43] <espindola> I will try to move the os x build to clang
# [20:43] <Ms2ger> Well, yes, because they fail
# [20:43] <hub> espindola: not test. build.
# [20:43] <espindola> I have to fix a bug and then try to find out where the performance regression is
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# [20:43] <espindola> hub, builds are all on lion
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# [20:43] <espindola> xcode 4.1
# [20:43] <glandium> espindola: with gcc 4.2
# [20:43] <espindola> with gcc-4.2
# [20:43] <espindola> yes
# [20:44] <hub> here they are done with clang
# [20:44] <glandium> espindola: and that doesn't catch regressions people do get when building with clang
# [20:44] <hub> I didn't change anything
# [20:44] <hub> just got built with clang
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# [20:44] <espindola> glandium, me \in people :-(
# [20:44] <jlebar> How does XPCOM return a boolean outparam to script? (nsIWindowProvider).
# [20:44] <hub> (it was using gcc before I upgraded to Lion)
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# [20:44] <hub> espindola: also I don't have Xcode 4. Just the command line tools
# [20:44] <glandium> even if we don't ship builds from clang, we should at least have a clang builder for try
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> jlebar, bool*
# [20:44] <jlebar> Ms2ger, Script.
# [20:45] <espindola> glandium, that is my plan b
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# [20:45] <@dolske> jlebar: same as any other outparam?
# [20:45] <taras> KaiRo: so my firefox is crashing like mad
# [20:45] <jlebar> Ms2ger, I guess my prepositions are kind of confusing.
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> Yes :)
# [20:45] <espindola> but given that it would have a larger interaction with rel eng, I think just switching is probably easier
# [20:45] <taras> KaiRo: but all of my crash reports are corrupt, ala https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/cec46134-641d-4afd-b976-97c362120529
# [20:45] <@bsmedberg> ted: ping
# [20:45] <taras> this doesn't seem good
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> var foo = {}; provider.provideWindow(..., foo); return foo.value;
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> jlebar, ^
# [20:45] <jlebar> Ms2ger, Aha.
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# [20:45] <jlebar> Thanks.
# [20:45] <@dolske> that. :)
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# [20:46] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [20:46] <ted> bsmedberg: pong
# [20:46] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: something I've wanted to change for a long time but can't
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# [20:47] <jlebar> bsmedberg, What do you want to change it to?
# [20:47] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: structured return value
# [20:47] <@dolske> \o/
# [20:47] <jlebar> I see.
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# [20:47] <KaiRo> taras: sounds like some kind of OOM, would be helpful if you could debug the problem and find what is really happening
# [20:47] <@bsmedberg> ted: for webrt and metro I want to move all the Firefox-specific files into a subdir
# [20:48] <Callek> question for the experts.... binary extensions
# [20:48] <taras> KaiRo: do we correlate corrupt dumps like this?
# [20:48] <taras> ie if there is a spike?
# [20:48] <@bsmedberg> ted: e.g. dist/bin/browser/chrome.manifest would be the root manifest for Firefox desktop
# [20:48] <@dolske> Callek: no
# [20:48] <@bsmedberg> ted: for now dist/bin/chrome.manifest would continue to be the root manifest for "the platform", because changing that is... hard
# [20:48] <Callek> would a binary extension built on MSVC8 typically work with Firefox built on MSVC2010? (and alternatively, vice versa?)
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# [20:48] <KaiRo> taras: not really, they are basically unactionable from the crash-stats POV
# [20:49] <@bsmedberg> Callek: if they link the CRT statically, probably
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# [20:49] <ted> Callek: what bsmedberg said
# [20:49] <@bsmedberg> ted: anyway, I wanted to just add a variable DIST_SUBDIR and set that in the browser/ makefiles, does that sound reasonable?
# [20:49] <KaiRo> taras: the only thing that would help in that way is ted's magic idea of a out-of-process dump generator
# [20:49] <ted> aside from the different CRT, there isn't anything different
# [20:49] <@bsmedberg> and that would alter the default FINAL_TARGET
# [20:49] <taras> KaiRo: can we not track volume of corrupted reports per build id?
# [20:49] <ted> bsmedberg: so that everything just winds up in $(DIST)/$(DIST_SUBDIR)?
# [20:49] <@bsmedberg> yeah, when it's set
# [20:49] <ted> bsmedberg: that seems reasonable
# [20:49] <Callek> Thanks [due to timing issues on my end, I never got around to switching SeaMonkey to 2010 by now, which means I loathe switching in time for release/final-beta due to no testing -- and I want to at least communicate the difference between Gecko Proper for us]
# [20:50] <@bsmedberg> ted: just wanted to confirm the naming with you before I made changes to all the makefiles
# [20:50] <ted> okay
# [20:50] <KaiRo> taras: we can track the volume of corrupted ones, but we mostly have no more info about them at all
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# [20:51] <taras> KaiRo: ok, i'll try to debug this locally
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# [20:51] <KaiRo> taras: also, what's helpful is the usual list of STR and regression range
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# [20:52] <taras> KaiRo: obviously :)
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# [20:56] <dzbarsky> Ms2ger: I tried running the pythong script but it's giving me an error, could you do it and upload a patch?
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> Will do
# [20:56] <dzbarsky> thanks
# [20:57] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [20:59] <zpao> espindola: thought i'd check with you (resident clang expert) before filing... have you seen builds fail on osx+clang in gfx/skia?
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# [21:00] <Ms2ger> zpao, yes, you're the fourth :)
# [21:00] <zpao> alrighty then
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> Bug 755869
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# [21:00] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'Next uplift for Fx15: 2012-06-04 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ || Clang builds failing in Skia; bug 755869'
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# [21:02] <zpao> Ms2ger: thanks
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [21:30] <glandium> bsmedberg: what's the bug you're doing that in? I have the feeling you're going to break ff-on-xr ;)
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# [21:32] <glandium> bsmedberg: though i welcome the change, it will finally avoid me to file so many bugs on wrong resource:// urls being used
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# [21:32] <@bsmedberg> glandium: I don't think I will, but we shall see... looking for the rght bug#
# [21:33] <jwir3> BenWa: is there a build of profiling-nightly available for linux?
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# [21:33] <BenWa> jwir3: Yes sir
# [21:33] <jwir3> BenWa: (I only see mac osx leopard on ftp.mozilla.org for 5-29)
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# [21:34] <BenWa> jwir3: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-profiling/
# [21:34] <BenWa> tar.gz
# [21:34] <jwir3> BenWa: perfect, thx
# [21:35] <BenWa> jwir3: The unwinding needs improvements on linux. It's backwards from the other platform
# [21:36] <BenWa> It should still be usable
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# [21:36] <jwir3> BenWa: once fennec native 1.0 ships, I should be able to assist with that. :)
# [21:36] <evilpie> taras: i don't understand how this bug is related to detecting problems with windows
# [21:36] <BenWa> Cool!
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# [21:36] <@bsmedberg> glandium: bug 755724
# [21:37] <glandium> bsmedberg: thanks
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# [21:38] <taras> evilpie: ha, good catch
# [21:38] <taras> evilpie: pasted wrong bug#
# [21:38] <evilpie> :P
# [21:39] <taras> evilpie: fixed, thanks
# [21:40] <evilpie> np
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# [21:43] <@bsmedberg> heh, first line of browser/components/preferences/Makefile.in is # -*- Mode: Java...
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# [21:46] <catlee> taras: xpcshell speedup you say?
# [21:46] <taras> catlee: no, froydnj says that :)
# [21:46] <taras> but i'm happy to take credit
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# [21:47] <zwol> Why do some .js files have a license block with # ... instead of // ... comments?
# [21:48] <Ms2ger> zwol, because those are preprocessed out
# [21:48] <zwol> that doesn't really answer the question
# [21:48] <zwol> do we actually want to strip the license boilerplate from these files?
# [21:48] <zwol> also, if so, why not use a real JS minifier?
# [21:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e8a025a7101b - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 755869 - Re-apply patch from bug 719575 to fix clang builds for the new Skia r=gw280
# [21:49] <zwol> (I figured there had to be some sort of preprocessing step or it wouldn't work at all)
# [21:49] <Ms2ger> Shrug and no
# [21:49] <glandium> mmmm australis is going to make my extreme tab browsing even more painful than it is, since tabs are going to be larger...
# [21:49] <zwol> is there a good reason to not minify? Seems like it could only speed things up and/or reduce download size (tho probably not by much)
# [21:51] <squib> zwol: minified JS would make the error console much less useful
# [21:51] <froydnj> wonder if there's a minified-JS-with-preserved-lines setting, then
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# [21:54] <taras> glandium: they are optimizing for the typical user
# [21:54] <taras> who never has more than 2 tabs or so :)
# [21:55] <glandium> taras: sadly
# [21:55] <taras> but i think as usual people will find their bugzilla workflow broken
# [21:55] <taras> and fix it :)
# [21:55] <glandium> taras: although, my wife is a typical user, and has a full tab bar
# [21:55] <glandium> but not full enough to scroll
# [21:55] <glandium> this means with australis, she would have to scroll
# [21:55] <taras> i seriously doubt that wives of browser developers are typical in their browser usage
# [21:56] <zwol> my SO never has fewer than 50 tabs open
# [21:56] <taras> glandium: also, does she use iceweasel?
# [21:56] <glandium> taras: i never influenced her browsing
# [21:56] <bent> ted, you around?
# [21:56] <ted> bent: hey
# [21:56] <glandium> taras: she uses firefox, on mac
# [21:56] <zwol> on the other hand, I avoid having more than a dozen at a time, and close them obsessively
# [21:56] <glandium> taras: and she was using safari in the same way before that
# [21:56] <taras> glandium: damn, i long to find a typical iceweasel user =D
# [21:57] <glandium> taras: i hear they exist :)
# [21:57] <bent> ted, hey, wondering if you can give me some advice on changing mochitest to run some tests in a 'remote=true' iframe
# [21:57] <taras> glandium: i think your assertion that you never influenced her browsing can't possibly hold true
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# [21:57] <bent> ted, should i make new test.html files with the remote iframe in them?
# [21:57] <taras> i spend a good part of my relationship making fun of my relatives for being so inefficient
# [21:57] <glandium> taras: as surprising as it can sound, it is
# [21:57] <ted> bent: sounds horrible
# [21:57] <bent> ted, or should i hack testrunner
# [21:58] <ted> bent: i guess the quickest way would be to just make them chrome mochitests
# [21:58] <froydnj> taras: the question is whether they change based on your heckling
# [21:58] <ted> since those could have the iframe and do whatever
# [21:58] <Ms2ger> taras, some people are kind :)
# [21:58] <jtcranmer> taras: my dad decided to install Debian on our home computer, so my mom probably counts
# [21:58] <ted> bent: your other option would be to add a new mochitest-ipc or something
# [21:58] <bent> ted, why is the chrome part important?
# [21:58] <ted> bent: can web content load an iframe remote=true and have it work?
# [21:59] <nemo> ugh. there are many things sucky about http hiding, but found a new one. accidentally hit a key at start of a url. hit ctrl-z, ctrl-l, ctrl-c and it was copied w/o http:// :-/
# [21:59] <bent> oh, i guess i don't know
# [21:59] <ted> bent: mochitest is just web content
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# [21:59] <ted> (albeit with SpecialPowers)
# [21:59] <nemo> ofc I would have trimURL set to false 'cept this was a new profile after firefox lost the old one
# [21:59] <nemo> guess I could have just added back in profiles.ini, but I was kinda puzzled by it and was wondering if it would happen again
# [21:59] <bent> ted, right. so if i made them all chrome mochitets
# [22:00] <bent> ted, then each would have its own remote iframe
# [22:00] <ted> yeah
# [22:00] <ted> which would probably be annoying because you'd have to have a wrapper page and then a frame page
# [22:00] <bent> ted, and then what would i need to do to make the test stuff work?
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# [22:00] <ted> sort of like how all our docshell chrome mochitests have to open a new window to actually run a test
# [22:00] <bent> hm
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# [22:01] <bent> ted, starting to sound like maybe hacking testrunner would be easier...
# [22:01] <ted> yeah
# [22:02] <ted> the only downside is that you have to do releng work then to get your tests run
# [22:02] <ted> if you add a new suite
# [22:02] <ted> your tradeoff here is up-front work vs. long-term test-writing pain
# [22:02] <bent> well, what if i didn't add a new suite?
# [22:02] <bent> just made regular mochitest do this for some tests?
# [22:02] <ted> i don't know what you'd be doing, then
# [22:02] <bent> test_ipc_foo.html
# [22:02] <bent> would load into a separate list
# [22:02] <bent> of tests
# [22:02] <ted> hmm
# [22:03] <bent> that all run in remote iframe
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# [22:03] <bent> just thinking "aloud" here
# [22:03] <ted> that could probably be made to work
# [22:03] <ted> it'd be weird because you'd have a second iframe, no?
# [22:04] <bent> yeah,
# [22:04] <bent> though, maybe it would get created at the end of regular tests
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# [22:04] <bent> to replace the other
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# [22:05] <bent> sound horrible?
# [22:05] <ted> of course
# [22:05] <ted> doesn't everything about mochitest?
# [22:05] <bent> yes
# [22:06] <bent> not sure what would have to happen for single tests
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# [22:06] <bent> maybe those just wouldn't be supported
# [22:06] <ted> they just wouldn't work
# [22:06] <ted> but mochitest in single-test mode is pretty fiddly anyway
# [22:06] <ted> there's a bug on making it always use the iframe
# [22:06] <bent> oh?
# [22:06] <bent> i bet it's been filed forever
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# [22:07] <ted> yep
# [22:07] <ted> jmaher worked on it a bit
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# [22:08] <ted> so old i can't even find it in my awesomebar
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# [22:08] <bent> nbd
# [22:08] <evilpie> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en">
# [22:08] <evilpie>
# [22:08] <evilpie> lol'd
# [22:08] <bent> ok, i'll start playing around with this approach
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# [22:10] <squib> evilpie: i hear it's even better when you combine HTML and XUL
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# [22:12] <hub> *sigh* so when does the next central to inbound merge happen?
# [22:12] <hub> now that the mac build has been fixed.
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> Whenever you want to do it :)
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# [22:15] <mbrubeck> bjacob: looks like some orange on inbound...
# [22:15] <hub> my point is "if it got broken in inbound, it should be fixed in inbound"
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# [22:23] <philor> my point tends to be the exact opposite - "if fx-team broke every other tree, it should *not* get the fix first and sit on it until it's ready to merge"
# [22:24] <bhearsum> how about "fixes should land on every branch that requires them, immediately"?
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# [22:25] <mbrubeck> bhearsum can do the dozen backouts when a fix busts every tree, immediately. :)
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# [22:26] <robcee> wait, what'd we break?
# [22:26] <bhearsum> mbrubeck: no way
# [22:26] <philor> LAND ALL THE THINGS
# [22:26] <bhearsum> itym break all the things
# [22:27] <philor> robcee: nothing, this time, I just always get jealous when an orange fix lands in fx-team and sits
# [22:27] <robcee> well, we're usually pretty regular mergers
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# [22:33] <mbrubeck> Those last oranges after the fix hits the integration branch are like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_with_Germany_%28Compi%C3%A8gne%29#Last_casualties
# [22:35] <@dolske> taras: what is this amazing telemetry probe for speeding up xpcshell?
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# [22:37] <bjacob> mbrubeck: looking
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# [22:38] <taras> dolske: slow sql stuff
# [22:38] <@ehsan> is xpcshell.ini documented somewhere?
# [22:38] <taras> dolske: it doesn't speed stuff up, just highlights brokenness
# [22:38] <taras> :)
# [22:39] <@dolske> huh
# [22:39] <@dolske> let me guess, every test spins up a bunch of dbs?
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# [22:39] <taras> dolske: no
# [22:40] <bjacob> mbrubeck: ok, backing out
# [22:40] <taras> dolske: addon manager spends seconds
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# [22:40] <taras> dolske: see last comment in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729330
# [22:40] <philor> ehsan: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCshell_Test_Manifest_Expressions
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# [22:40] <@ehsan> ty
# [22:40] <@ehsan> philor: btw I'm disabling that test for now :(
# [22:40] <philor> alas, the lack of any mention of versions there is not because it's not up to date
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# [22:45] <Ameya> ehsan: I am done with detecting suspicious addons during PB & disabling them before FF enters into PM.
# [22:45] <Ameya> Could you see
# [22:45] <Ameya> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1651095
# [22:45] <Ameya> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1650838
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# [22:46] <@ehsan> Ameya: nice!
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# [22:46] <@ehsan> Ameya: can you please email this to me? I'm looking into something else right now
# [22:46] <Ameya> ok
# [22:46] <@ehsan> and I don't want this to get lost
# [22:46] <@ehsan> thanks!
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# [22:48] <Ameya> the only problem now is when i restart PM. It opens two PB windows. I think one bcoz of my restart & other bcoz of default entering into PM. Ok I will mail you
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# [22:49] <Ameya> Just checking how to resolve it
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# [23:03] <philor> ehsan: alas, commenting out in the manifest is very much not allowed
# [23:04] <philor> burn the build not allowed
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# [23:10] <gavin> bdahl: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js#249
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# [23:17] <taras> dolske: helpful comment
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# [23:18] <Standard8> edmorley|away: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Mozilla-Release <- mozilla-release is normally closed
# [23:18] <taras> dolske: so, once their work is done, can it land
# [23:18] <taras> or does it depend on other stuff?
# [23:18] <taras> dolske: i didnt realize there was more to this than the tab bar
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# [23:20] <edmorley|away> Standard8: thank you
# [23:20] <edmorley|away> changed
# [23:20] <Standard8> np
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# [23:20] <@dolske> taras: we're still deciding between landing the theme changes in pieces, vs all at once.
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# [23:21] <philor> ehsan: once that burns like I think it will, what you want is the highly intuitive "skip-if = true"
# [23:21] <taras> dolske: /me votes for pieces
# [23:21] <@ehsan> philor: I removed the line completely, would that also fail?
# [23:22] <@ehsan> oh yeah there's this test which traverses all of the dirs to make sure all files are in the .ini file...
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# [23:23] <padenot> how can I know in which mochitest-x suite is a specific test ?
# [23:23] <jhammel> ehsan, philor : or 'disabled = reason'
# [23:23] <jhammel> iirc
# [23:23] <@ehsan> jhammel: I'm going to use skip-if, to avoid pushing a fourth patch!
# [23:23] <philor> heh
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# [23:24] <@ehsan> why is this format soooo retarded?
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# [23:24] <jhammel> ehsan: please to be filing how it should look
# [23:24] <jhammel> Testing:Mozbase : manifestparser format is retarded because _____
# [23:25] <@ehsan> jhammel: anything but .ini? which can accept things like comments, has proper disabling support, etc?
# [23:25] <@ehsan> jhammel: should I file a bug with that summary? ;0
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# [23:25] <jhammel> ehsan: so this discussion goes back a few years ;)
# [23:25] <@ehsan> jhammel: yeah I know, and at some point I stopped following it
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# [23:25] <@ehsan> jhammel: and then one day I saw the new format landing
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# [23:25] <@ehsan> and I've been sad ever since
# [23:26] <jhammel> ehsan: we mostly wanted json but punted on that because we didn't at the time want to require simplejson for the old pythons we support
# [23:26] * @ehsan considers the existing format a regression compared to the makefile based manifest!
# [23:26] <jhammel> :(
# [23:26] <@ehsan> parsing json should not take more than 100 lines of custom python code
# [23:26] <@ehsan> I'm sure there are existing json parsers
# [23:26] <@ehsan> anyways
# [23:26] <@ehsan> don't wanna whine
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# [23:33] <philor> jrmuizel: down there below the Ehsan Memorial Flames Of XPCShell, looks like you're burning Android
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# [23:34] <philor> mmm, classes.dex, how about if I just FUCKING CLOBBER ANDROID FOR THE TENTH DAY IN A ROW
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# [23:34] <philor> why do we do depend builds of Fennec?
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# [23:37] <catlee> why don't we land that CLOBBER patch?
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# [23:38] <philor> because nobody expects the Spanish CLOBBER
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# [23:48] <jrmuizel> philor: :(
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# [23:53] <jrmuizel> philor: should be fixed
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# [23:55] <Julian> Good evening. I'm looking for a pointer to part of the Mozilla code where text/plain content is handled for display; my assumption was that it is converted to an internal DOM; is this correct?
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# [23:56] <glandium> i don't know what entering private browsing does that more than shutdown does, but it takes a whole lot more time with my 2000+ tabs session
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# [23:57] <Mook_as> Julian: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/streamconv/converters/nsTXTToHTMLConv.h#31 looks like a good start
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# [23:58] <Julian> Mook_as: perfect; thanks a lot.
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