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# Session Start: Sat Jun 02 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:00] <philor> dcamp: nope, this network outage is the first time I saw it
# [00:00] <dcamp> philor: I can have the tests load a local file
# [00:00] <dcamp> well, a test-harness-provided url, I mean
# [00:01] <philor> yep - any point (besides the tests) in having the URL be a pref?
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# [00:01] <philor> that being how stuff like about:addons avoids hitting the network
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# [00:02] <dcamp> I dunno, maybe
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# [00:02] <anant> hello, if I have EXPORTS_mozilla/dom=foo.h in a Makefile, I should be able to #include mozilla/dom/foo.h, correct?
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# [00:04] <gaston> noone's landing checkin-needed patches anymore ?
# [00:05] <Waldo> ted: you're not around, right?
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# [00:10] <Waldo> gaston: I know RyanVM's been doing it in the past, but there's no "assigned" duty for it, it's just people do it intermittently
# [00:11] <gaston> oki, i've been used to see my checkin-needed patches go to inbound usually within 24h :)
# [00:11] <fryn> dbaron: could you take a look at a two-line change in html.css in bug 760696 ?
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# [00:11] <gaston> can someone push patches from 759683/759671 then ? at least so that they make the next uplift to aurora...
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# [00:11] <fryn> firebot: where are you?
# [00:12] <fryn> dbaron: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760696 | Bug 760696 - Use :fullscreen to detect HTML5 video/audio state for controls visibility
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# [00:14] <@smaug> so strange. connections to tbpl, event to plain logs fail when using this network connection after resume
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# [00:15] <@dbaron> smaug, not the current outage?
# [00:16] <@smaug> dbaron: nope.
# [00:16] <@smaug> s/event/even/
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# [00:17] <dzbarsky> gaston: i'll push them
# [00:17] <gaston> thx
# [00:17] <gaston> how should i apply for a l2/l3 access ? same procedure as for l1 access, file a bug ?
# [00:17] <@roc> jviereck_mb: that's a good idea
# [00:17] <gaston> so that next time i'll push them myself .. :)
# [00:17] <dzbarsky> yeah, but i think you need a module owner to vouch for you. can you set checkin? on the patches you want me to push?
# [00:18] <gaston> that's no problem i'll find the vouchers :)
# [00:18] <fryn> dbaron: thanks :)
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# [00:18] <gaston> dzbarsky: yes in a sec
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# [00:20] <gaston> done
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# [00:21] <Pike> MattN: re bug 749931, which string is used instead of the one that you remove?
# [00:22] <MattN> Pike: 4_firefox_history_and_bookmarks
# [00:23] <dzbarsky> gaston: done
# [00:24] <MattN> Pike: which was added in bug 737381 (but Mano forgot to remove 32_firefox)
# [00:24] <gaston> thanks!
# [00:25] <Pike> MattN: how does the substitute of 32 vs 4 work?
# [00:25] <dzbarsky> thanks for the patches
# [00:25] <Mano> MattN: you don't have to remove it for 14....
# [00:25] <Mano> just saying.
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# [00:26] <MattN> Pike: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/migration/src/MigrationUtils.jsm#408
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# [00:26] <MattN> Mano: yep, I know. Pike: we can just not remove it if you want
# [00:27] <MattN> (for Aurora)
# [00:27] <Mano> MattN: btw, you forgot to fix that profile-names bug :)
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# [00:27] <Mano> i can take it if you don't have time.
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# [00:27] <MattN> Mano: if you want. I'm busy with native identity stuff
# [00:27] <Mano> ok
# [00:27] <MattN> I did take a look at it a few weeks ago
# [00:28] <Pike> MattN: still don't see how we're ending up with 4 instead of 32. I do get how we do 4_firefox_history_and_bookmarks for 4_firefox
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# [00:29] <Mano> Pike: er??
# [00:29] <Mano> it's a binary field
# [00:30] <MattN> Pike: we loop over all of the strings
# [00:30] <Mano> const unsigned short HISTORY = 0x0004;
# [00:30] <Mano> const unsigned short BOOKMARKS = 0x0020;
# [00:31] <Mano> and because they're coupled in places, we list both as History (4)
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# [00:31] <MattN> Pike/Mano: if we don't remove the string on Aurora, I think it will show both strings on the reset dialog therefore mentioning bookmarks twice.
# [00:32] <Mano> MattN: ohhh
# [00:32] <Mano> you don't call getMigrateData
# [00:32] <Mano> right
# [00:32] <Mano> you copied the worst code in the tree to your file ;)
# [00:33] <MattN> because at the time getMigrateData would check if it was during startup or not and return nothing for the Firefox migrator while displaying the dialog from about:support
# [00:33] <MattN> (it may still be the case)
# [00:33] <Mano> yes, ok
# [00:34] <Mano> i think that on trunk you should go with a fixed string
# [00:34] <Mano> that'll also remove this MigrationUtils dependency.
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# [00:35] <Pike> I don't get it. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/locales/en-US/chrome/browser/migration/migration.properties doesn't show firefox or an alias for bookmarks, AFAICT. And I don't find the spot where that drops back to just history
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# [00:36] <MattN> Pike: because the patch landed on m-c already
# [00:37] <Pike> that explains half of it. I guess you still still see me confused. I read scrollback such that keeping it in would break stuff?
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# [00:39] <Mano> Pike: yes, see this code
# [00:39] <Mano> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/resetProfile.js#64
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# [00:40] <Mano> every string that's found is listed...
# [00:41] <Pike> Mano: that's bad, because we can't ensure to remove the string from localizations at this point
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# [00:41] <Mano> indeed
# [00:42] * MattN wishes we left the two strings
# [00:42] <Pike> tbh, not at any point, really. "strings-not-in-en-US" are largely assumed to be harmless in our release process
# [00:42] <Mano> so...
# [00:42] <Mano> MattN: please, just fix the code to read the wanted item statically
# [00:42] <Mano> even for trunk
# [00:42] <Mano> what's done there now is just crazy.
# [00:43] <MattN> Mano: as in a list of calls to MigrationUtils.getLocalizedString?
# [00:44] <Mano> yes
# [00:44] <Mano> i prefer a static string
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# [00:44] <Mano> but that would work too.
# [00:44] <MattN> ok
# [00:45] <Mano> and i'm not sure what's the point of presenting a list there
# [00:45] <Mano> it should just be a sentence.
# [00:45] <MattN> easier to scan
# [00:45] <Mano> the whole three items, yes :)
# [00:45] <NeilAway> Mano: btw you don't need to wrap a function expression in ()s to be able to call methods on it
# [00:46] <Mano> NeilAway: i know, but mak likes it this way
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# [00:46] <Mano> i don't do so in "my" files.
# [00:46] <mak> hmm
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# [00:46] <mak> example?
# [00:46] <NeilAway> Mano: yeah, well suite's version won't have them
# [00:46] <Mano> mak in PropertyListUtils for exmple, i don't do that.
# [00:46] <Mano> mak: NeilAway talks about function () { }.bind
# [00:47] <Mano> which you do as (function() {}).bind
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# [00:47] <Mano> mak: if you're find with that, i'd be happy to remove this for Fx too.
# [00:47] <mak> (function() {}.bind()) would be better
# [00:47] <MattN> there are 5 migrated data type btw.
# [00:47] * Mano doesn't really care though.
# [00:48] <Mano> mak: hrm, why these extra brackets?
# [00:48] <mak> Mano: the problem is automatic semicolon insertion, if you forget a semicolon on the previous line, it won't get that's a function
# [00:49] <Mano> hrm?
# [00:49] <gavin> usually this comes up when you're passing a function as an argument...
# [00:49] <Mano> in all these places the function is passed as an argument.
# [00:49] <gavin> so ASI wouldn't be relevant
# [00:49] <NeilAway> Mano: also, why not have a hasCachedLivemarkInfo function?
# [00:50] <Mano> NeilAway: sometimes we need the instance itself.
# [00:50] <NeilAway> Mano: (or just call it isLivemark?)
# [00:50] <Mano> but i could add that
# [00:50] <NeilAway> Mano: I know, but you use .has in your other patches
# [00:50] <Mano> isLivemark doesn't reflect the fact that it doesn't actually check that
# [00:51] <Mano> but hasCachedLivemarkInfo works for me.
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# [00:51] <Mano> I can add that, sure.
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# [00:56] <@smaug> BenWa: so the profiler thingie runs also on 64bit linux?
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# [00:57] <@smaug> oh, hmm, do I still need some different branch
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# [01:01] <philor> the horrors!
# [01:01] <Mano> NeilAway: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=629378
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# [01:02] <Mano> oops, i forgot documenting hasCached[...]
# [01:02] <Mano> will do tomorrow.
# [01:02] <Callek> NeilAway: as an FYI, I gave Mano an ok to land on comm-central his patch for us with rs+=me and "one of us" can address any followups/fixes since he has to land a patch against m-c that will break us before monday, and he won't have time to fix us himself beyond the basic testing/writing the patch (basically no time to review-circle)
# [01:02] <Mano> mak: ^^
# [01:03] <Mano> i think he noticed :)
# [01:04] <Callek> Mano: yea, neil reads scrollback *usually* just wanted to mention explicitly.
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# [01:11] <BenWa> smaug: It works but sfink has filed a few bugs about hangs
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# [01:13] <sfink> nothing's been bad enough for me to turn it off, though; I run with it on all the time
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# [01:21] <Hixie> dougt: did any other browser vendors ever say they were interestined in implementing proximity and light sensor events?
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# [01:30] <rniwa> smaug: i'm somewhat confused
# [01:30] <rniwa> smaug: has mutation observer been unprefixed already?
# [01:30] <rniwa> smaug: or are you guys still debating how it's done?
# [01:30] <@smaug> it is unprefixed
# [01:31] <rniwa> smaug: ok, so you're just arguing about whether or not to log something in the console.
# [01:31] <dougt> Hixie: other than you?
# [01:31] <@smaug> rniwa: yeah, and about branch and stuff like that
# [01:31] <@smaug> rniwa: but in any case it is unprefixed on trunk
# [01:32] <@smaug> rniwa: btw, I asked MS whether they have any comments to MutationObserver
# [01:32] <@smaug> and at least they didn't have anything negative comments
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# [01:32] <@smaug> they won't be able to implement it for IE10 though
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# [01:33] <@smaug> and Opera is also supportive and will implement it soon...
# [01:33] <@smaug> so, things looks reasonable good
# [01:34] <rniwa> smaug: i see.
# [01:34] <rniwa> smaug: well hopefully it'll be in IE11 :)
# [01:34] <rniwa> smaug: i think this api is pretty solid
# [01:34] <@smaug> yeah
# [01:34] <rniwa> smaug: the more i play with it, the more i like it :)
# [01:34] <@smaug> indeed. While I was implementing it, it felt pretty nice
# [01:34] <rniwa> smaug: it solves a lot of weirdness in sync. events
# [01:35] <@smaug> it is different to many other APIs but not complicated to use
# [01:35] <rniwa> smaug: yeah
# [01:35] <rniwa>
# [01:35] <rniwa> smaug: the best part is that i get a bunch of records
# [01:35] <rniwa> smaug: instead of just one.
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# [01:35] <rniwa> smaug: with old mutation events, i had to manually accumulate them in sort of array
# [01:35] <rniwa> or add a bunch of flags to see what has happened
# [01:35] <rniwa> because you typically have to ignore some of them :(
# [01:35] <@smaug> yup
# [01:36] <@smaug> and still could be sure with mutation events what actually happened
# [01:36] <@smaug> couldn't
# [01:36] <@smaug> since if there was some other mutation event listener which modified the DOM...
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# [01:37] <@smaug> rniwa: ah, you've updated UndoManager spec
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# [01:43] <Bas> khuey: Are the crash issues you were seeing with Azure resolved? :)
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# [01:47] <rniwa> smaug: yeah
# [01:47] <rniwa> smaug: i'm still torn on making separate undo maanger on input/textarea default
# [01:47] <rniwa>
# [01:48] <rniwa> smaug: because there's no way to disable it :(
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# [01:49] <@smaug> rniwa: what you mean with disable ?
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# [02:00] <rniwa> smaug: so in a spreadsheet app, you want to share a single undo manager among multiple input elements
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# [02:01] <@smaug> rniwa: really?
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# [02:01] <rniwa> smaug: yeah
# [02:01] <rniwa> smaug: try Excel, etc...
# [02:01] <@smaug> yeah, perhaps
# [02:01] <rniwa> smaug: it lets you undo things you typed on multiple cells
# [02:02] <rniwa> smaug: i just chatted with ojan
# [02:02] <rniwa> smaug: maybe something like undoScope="shared" vs. undoScope would work
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# [02:02] <rniwa> smaug: shared means it doesn't have undo manager by defualt
# [02:02] <@smaug> something like that could work yeah
# [02:02] <@smaug> but by default input/textarea really should have their own undomanager
# [02:03] <@smaug> shared sounds good
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# [02:04] <lsblakk> anyone want to land our now-departed zpao's aurora patch for him? bug 752149
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# [02:14] <mak> lsblakk: I can do that, if it's still needed, though being 2am I doubt will look at the results
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# [02:14] <lsblakk> mak: i can peek in on them over the weekend, but better today than crash landing a bunch of things on monday
# [02:14] <mak> ok, landing then
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# [02:15] <mbrubeck> mak: I'll keep an eye on the Aurora tree for the next few hours.
# [02:16] <lsblakk> thanks both of you
# [02:17] <mak> hm it's bitrotted, let me see
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# [02:18] <mak> ah just the plain MPL2 thing
# [02:18] <mak> hm not, missing an header... I assume it's not needed on aurora...
# [02:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/68abc86fde1c - Pranav Ravichandran - Bug 750554 - If service is not used for updates then do not show it in preferences. r=bbondy
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# [02:22] <mbrubeck> np
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# [02:39] <mbrubeck> Android is looking pretty too
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# [02:44] <cjones> you're right, i was idle
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# [02:45] <philor> all the things
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# [02:48] <mbrubeck> all the things
# [02:50] <philor> "oh, I thought you were dependant on his push, that's why I backed you out too"
# [02:50] <mbrubeck> turns out it is dependent, anyways
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# [03:13] <daleharvey> anyone know if firefox support string transaction modes for indexeddb?
# [03:13] <daleharvey> *supports
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# [03:13] <daleharvey> as opposed to IDBTransaction.CONSTANTS
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# [03:16] <mbrubeck> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/nsIIDBTransaction.idl claims that mode is a string and can be "readonly", "readwrite" or "versionchange"
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# [03:17] <mbrubeck> and it looks here like the constants just evaluate to strings: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsDOMClassInfo.cpp#5776
# [03:17] <mbrubeck> daleharvey: ^
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# [03:56] <philor> gee, I wonder who gets to file the 88-test devtools/debugger/ orange?
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# [04:06] <mbrubeck> philor: Oops, I didn't notice the coalescing.
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# [04:07] <philor> mbrubeck: I only noticed because I was trying to pretend I'd be able to understand the failure :)
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# [04:19] <philor> 760752, I'm sure pretty much everyone will want to cc themselves to get tbplbot bugmail about 88 or 89 failures at a time
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# [04:19] <philor> everybody that I didn't already vindictively cc, that is :)
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# [04:25] <bear-afk> philor - I just landed a win64 try builders bustage fix that catlee pointed out
# [04:25] <bear-afk> try masters were reconfigured to pick this up
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# [04:28] <philor> thx
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# [04:50] <philor> somebody sg - could you please tell https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751995 "Backed out in https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/40270cf81989 for Windows build failures like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12292550&tree=Mozilla-Inbound"?
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# [04:56] <mats> philor: done
# [04:56] <philor> thanks
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# [04:59] <philor> somebody please tell me stories about PGO-only bustage turning out to be completely harmless
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# [05:01] <mats> philor: I bet this one will be red too eventually: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=026a530f5904
# [05:01] <philor> I keep thinking about 13's PGO-only permaorange, and all the PGO bustage that turned out to be someone reading or writing uninitialized memory that was in a harmless spot until PGO moved it into a harmful spot, and how we're going to ship that in a few days
# [05:01] <mats> the lagging Windows builds is hurting us badly :-(
# [05:02] <philor> it certainly is - having to mark a reftest fails-if is pretty painless in comparison
# [05:04] <philor> and 760752 is overwhelmingly Windows, I'm going to have to trigger more like 50 Mac tests to get a good feeling about this trial backout before Sunday night
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# [05:14] <dzbarsky> romaxa: pong
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# [05:17] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Release
# [05:17] <philor> so awesome
# [05:18] <Callek> gps: ping ^
# [05:19] <Callek> gps: if you can backout now, I'll watch for you.
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# [05:19] <Callek> gps: I wonder how esr/beta is though :/ /me looks
# [05:20] <Callek> "The patch only applied cleanly against aurora. So, manual intervention was required on the other trees. Hopefully things don't break."
# [05:20] <philor> beta is better, because he removed his STAGETAGE there
# [05:20] <Callek> gps: so yea, if you pass your bustage fix to release/esr I'll watch
# [05:20] <Callek> or backout
# [05:20] <philor> whether it's actually well, or poised to burn every single tree again, is another question
# [05:21] <Callek> gps: either way, *please* be around and do one, since I don't have an esr/release tree atm
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# [05:22] <darktrojan> is that an all green push I see on release?
# [05:23] <darktrojan> under the all red one
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# [05:24] <Callek> darktrojan: sorry, the fact that the tree has green leaves doesn't matter when the TOP of the tree is quite wholly on fire
# [05:24] <philor> it's a cheating all-green, it's non-PGO on a branch that should be PGO and has PGO permaorange
# [05:25] * darktrojan nominates it for bug 701655 anyway
# [05:26] <philor> don't make me unhide the Android
# [05:26] <philor> no trophies for merging to a busted branch and making me hide two rows because you have no intention of making them work
# [05:27] <philor> gps: backed out on esr, release will take me longer to get a tree over 2.5G
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# [05:28] <darktrojan> why have we got permaorange on release :(
# [05:28] <philor> because we had permaorange on beta and didn't care
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# [05:28] <darktrojan> wow that sucks
# [05:28] <philor> shall I go ahead and type out the explanation for why we had permaorange on beta while you type the question?
# [05:29] <darktrojan> hah
# [05:29] <darktrojan> I don't think I wanna know
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# [05:29] <darktrojan> surely 12 weeks is enough to fix this stuff? isn't that the point?
# [05:29] <philor> that one's actually different, it's because Fx drivers wanted the feature which caused the permaorange, and handwaved away PGO-only bustage
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# [05:31] * Callek will filter cynacism out post-process-like
# [05:32] * darktrojan won't
# [05:33] <darktrojan> I like cynicism
# [05:33] <ewong> :)
# [05:33] <philor> bug 736028
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# [05:36] <darktrojan> I also like how we're shipping that even though it will keep making thumbnails until the hard drive is full
# [05:37] <mimcpher> fffffffffff
# [05:37] <mimcpher> Sorry.
# [05:37] <mimcpher> (this isn't vim!)
# [05:37] <darktrojan> you'll need a long to store that in
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# [06:06] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: which test case I can try to test async animations?
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# [06:14] <dzbarsky1> romaxa: ill pastebin you a test file
# [06:15] <dzbarsky1> romaxa: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1653828
# [06:15] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: ok, I merged your queue to latest mc, and yes css3d animation does not work, so I want to understand logic using some working test and do experiments with my tests
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# [06:17] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: ok, thanks
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# [06:38] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: ok, need to recompile it... office version was 64 bit... and not running not remotely not locally :(
# [06:38] <dzbarsky1> if you need to pull again, our repo is now rebased to m-c
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# [06:39] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: have you added something new?
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# [06:39] <dzbarsky1> no
# [06:39] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: I just created patch queue out of your repo, and rebased it on trunk
# [06:39] <JonathanS> gTLDs caused a slippery slope.
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# [06:43] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: btw in which environment do you test this? IPC/OMTC/Normal?
# [06:44] <dzbarsky1> what do you mean?
# [06:44] <dzbarsky1> which prefs to enable?
# [06:44] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: I noticed some patches changing PCompositor, so most likely you test it in OMTC environment
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# [06:44] <@bz> man
# [06:44] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: android or desktop OMTC?
# [06:44] <@bz> profiling quit is so depressing
# [06:44] <dzbarsky1> yes. you have to enable omtc. i'm testing on mac, but it should also work on linux
# [06:45] <@bz> xhr
# [06:45] <@bz> I mean for crying out loud
# [06:45] <@dolske> bz: even worse than profiling idle? :)
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# [06:45] <romaxa> dzbarsky1: ok, I have working OMTC setup (on beagleboard), will test there...
# [06:45] <@bz> dolske: profiling idle, on Mac, just wants to make me shoot myself
# [06:45] <@bz> dolske: but seriously, xhr
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# [06:46] <@dolske> we xhr on shutdown? :(
# [06:46] <@bz> beforeunload handlers
# [06:46] <@bz> on webpages
# [06:46] <@bz> sync xhr
# [06:46] <@bz> yay
# [06:46] <@dolske> oh
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# [06:46] <@dolske> ugh
# [06:46] <dzbarsky1> romaxa: also there's another pref to enable. search for compositor. i think its like layers.compositor.enable-opacity or something
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# [06:47] <@bz> this one might have been unload, not beforeunload, actually
# [06:47] <@dolske> I suppose if we finally get around to implementing unloading idle tabs that would avoid that issue...
# [06:49] <@dolske> wonder if we could get away with just instakilling (on quit) tabs that haven't been touched for a while.
# [06:49] <@bz> worksforme
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# [06:49] * @bz would in fact be fine with instakilling all tabs on quit
# [06:49] <@bz> if I quit, God forbid, I mean to _quit_
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# [06:50] <@dolske> i wonder if an event for "hey, page, we think you've been unused, so prepare to die without warning in the future" would be useful.
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# [06:50] <@bz> hmm
# [06:50] <@bz> giving the page a chance to save stuff?
# [06:50] <@bz> might be interesting
# [06:50] <@dolske> I was wondering recently how expensive it is to swap back in all the bits for pages, just to tell them to die (or CC/GC them?)
# [06:50] <KWierso> onbeforegtfo()
# [06:51] <@bz> dolske: in my case, that just took 2-3 minutes
# [06:51] <@bz> dolske: fwiw
# [06:51] <@dolske> yeah, sorta a beforeunload/unload without the implication of immediate unloading
# [06:51] <@bz> dolske: the XHR crap was part of it, but the swapping in was a large component
# [06:52] <@dolske> might also be useful for the case of us not knowing if the tab can actually be sessionrestore-unloaded... is it actually idle, or is it playing a music stream for you?
# [06:52] <@bz> yeah, that's tough
# [06:53] <@dolske> hmm, so a page already can't ensure that a network connection will exist when it's closed. Maybe pretending there's no connection would be a useful trick.
# [06:53] <@dolske> XHR? oh, sorry, failed.
# [06:54] <@dolske> sadtrombone.vorb.is
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# [06:56] <darktrojan> todo
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# [07:00] <lduros> does anyone know where debian Iceweasel puts its profiles?
# [07:00] <lduros> is it in .mozilla/iceweasel
# [07:00] <lduros> ?
# [07:00] <@dolske> hmm. apparently there was a "NT" country code, but it was retired.
# [07:00] <lduros> or .mozilla/firefox
# [07:00] <Callek> lduros: I doubt its .mozilla/
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# [07:00] <Callek> but should be in ~/ as well
# [07:01] <@dolske> listed here, if you want the spoiler. http://www.answers.com/topic/iso-3166-3
# [07:01] * @dolske doubts even dbaron would guess it. well, maybe. :)
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# [07:40] <GPHemsley> Is it just me, or is tab drag-and-drop broken in latest Aurora?
# [07:41] <@bz> or both
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# [08:03] <glandium> lduros: ~/.mozilla/firefox
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# [08:04] <lduros> glandium: thanks .... a little late. I had enough time to create a new virtual machine and install Debian ;-) hehe
# [08:04] <lduros> I was surprised it wasn't .mozilla/iceweasel, btw :-)
# [08:04] <lduros> by changing the app basename value
# [08:04] <lduros> or whatever
# [08:04] <lduros> :-)
# [08:05] <Havvy> Gah...Debian.
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# [08:05] <lduros> Havvy: what? :-)
# [08:05] <glandium> lduros: it's ~/.mozilla/firefox because debian used to ship firefox, so a smooth upgrade path was needed
# [08:05] <lduros> hmm ok
# [08:05] <lduros> IceCat used to do .gnuzilla/
# [08:05] <lduros> but with-user-appdir just doesn't work anymore
# [08:06] <Havvy> Me and another linux geek tried installing it on another friend's computer today...spent six hours, and tomorrow I'm bringing a Mint 12 LXDE CD instead.
# [08:06] <lduros> multiple bugs through history of it not being supported...
# [08:06] <lduros> I'm switching to .mozilla/icecat
# [08:06] <lduros> it's good to know Iceweasel uses .mozilla as well ;-)
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# [08:08] <romaxa> lduros: Iceweasel intended to avoid usage of Branded FF name, mozilla is not a problem
# [08:08] <glandium> lduros: fwiw, you don't have to change the vendor name to change the profile directory
# [08:09] <lduros> hehe
# [08:09] <lduros> glandium: how then?
# [08:09] <lduros> you need to use --with-user-appdir
# [08:09] <lduros> but that won't work anymore
# [08:09] <lduros> you can use the app basename to change the name inside .mozilla/ that's good enough for me anyway
# [08:09] <lduros> the idea is to have a different set of addons as well
# [08:10] <glandium> lduros: MOZ_APP_PROFILE in the branding's configure.sh
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# [08:10] <lduros> hmm, I thought I tried that and it didn't work with 11 and 12
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# [08:12] <lduros> there's like a hundred duplicate bugs about this on bugzilla
# [08:12] <lduros> over the years
# [08:13] <lduros> it seems smarter to just use .mozilla anyway
# [08:13] * Havvy goes to file another. ;)
# [08:14] <lduros> Havvy: file another bug about?
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# [08:35] <Havvy> lduros: " <lduros>: there's like a hundred duplicate bugs about this on bugzilla"
# [08:35] <lduros> :-P
# [08:35] <lduros> hehe
# [08:35] <lduros> I thought you were serious
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# [08:35] <lduros> and I was wondering why :-)
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# [08:47] <Mavericks> is there a expand /collapse all comments on bugzilla or is it only available on login ?
# [08:49] <anant> I get "res/drawable/address_bar_url_default.xml:0: error: Resource entry address_bar_url_default is already defined." while trying to build mobile/android, any hints?
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# [09:06] <Mavericks> oh never mind. sorry. feature's there upon scrolling to the right hand side
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# [11:20] <glandium> and even on releases.m.o for 13
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# [11:44] <nthomas|away> glandium: 13.0 is only index.html files right now
# [11:45] <glandium> nthomas|away: ah, true. the files are on ftp.m.o, though
# [11:46] <nthomas|away> yeah, but I don't think that's a change
# [11:46] <glandium> nthomas|away: i thought the ftp was getting the files on monday only
# [11:47] <glandium> anyways, that's fine by me, i was just surprised they were already there
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# [13:29] <capella> gotta sheriff around? several TRY pushes are getting Finished 'make uploadsymbols' failed (results: 2'
# [13:29] <capella> (mine included) for WIN OPT builds ... all else finished ok ... is it safe to ignore and push to inbound
# [13:29] <capella> assuming a goofy infra type situation?
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# [13:31] <capella> re: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=07d55b4ddc69
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# [13:33] <jfkthame> capella: "Host key verification failed" … looks like an infra problem to me
# [13:33] <jfkthame> … "lost connection"
# [13:33] <capella> i hate to go to inbound with a red flag...
# [13:34] <capella> and crossed fingers :p
# [13:34] <jfkthame> has the problem been happening to inbound at all, or only on try?
# [13:34] * jfkthame loads tbpl.....
# [13:34] <capella> hmmm ... didnt check inbound ... duh on me
# [13:36] <jfkthame> i don't see it on inbound
# [13:36] <capella> yep me neither - ill go fer it
# [13:36] <jfkthame> but it's happened to enough unrelated tryserver pushes that i really don't think there's any relation to the patch being pushed
# [13:37] <capella> agrees .... thank yew veddy much
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# [13:45] <jfkthame> capella: it looks to me like it's a group of the win64 build slaves that are misconfigured - filing a bug….
# [13:46] <capella> oh nice! thanks for catching that
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# [13:54] <capella> thanks ! file to: "server ops releng" ... if I ever need to ... was wondering about that next
# [13:54] <capella> nice analysis for them also
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# [13:55] <jfkthame> it looks like inbound is using a separate set of slaves, so i think you're reasonably safe there :)
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# [15:45] <foudfou> Hi could someone check that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760802 is correctly filed (product and component) ?
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# [15:45] <foudfou> and possibly point me to the module owner of what is window-related ?
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# [16:15] <evilpie> thank you for introducing a talos regression in the same range as my commit :P
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# [16:50] <Optimizer> does the "load" event not occur to a content window ?
# [16:51] <Optimizer> I even try document.onload = function() {alert("ASD");} from web console and nothing happens on after refresh
# [16:52] <JuanDaugherty> you have an IPV6 connection?
# [16:52] <JuanDaugherty> (to IRC)
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# [16:52] <Mano> NeilAway: yt?
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# [16:53] <Mano> NeilAway: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=629472
# [16:56] <Mano> NeilAway: everything seems to work except it seems livemarks are very buggy in SM for some reason
# [16:56] <Mano> probably unrelated to my patch though
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# [17:20] <lduros> I run ./configure && make to build my own version of FF, then when I run sudo make install though, the standalone version is created in /usr/local/lib but it doesn't copy over the extensions/ files that were present in browser/branding/unofficial/extensions/ (and were also in dist/bin/extensions) is there anything to do for this to happy
# [17:20] <lduros> happen
# [17:21] <bdahl> how does one get to the in-content preferences?
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# [17:29] <zzzzz_> bdahl: if you have enabled the in-content pref in about:config then I think it just opens in a tab when clicking 'options'
# [17:29] <bdahl> there we thanks
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# [17:33] <NeilAway> Mano: are they buggy before your changes?
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# [17:33] <NeilAway> Mano: I only managed to port the async livemark changes last week, so...
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# [17:34] <NeilAway> Optimizer: load events do work in content windows, but you have to add the handler during the load, not before
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# [17:35] <Optimizer> damn
# [17:35] <Optimizer> so if I add a handled now, to a content wind |window| and refresh, the handler will be gone ?
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# [17:38] <NeilAway> Optimizer: all handlers get deleted on a (re)load, yes
# [17:39] <NeilAway> Mano: hmm, how about + let siteUrl = livemarkInfo && livemarkInfo.siteURI && livemarkInfo.siteURI.spec;
# [17:40] <NeilAway> Mano: + let parentElt = this._getDOMNodeForPlacesNode(aPlacesNode); =~ s/aPlacesNode/aParentPlacesNode/
# [17:40] <NeilAway> Mano: you got it right 2nd time though
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# [17:40] <Optimizer> NeilAway: and also, does the MozAfterPaint event only occurs on chrome windows ?
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# [17:41] <NeilAway> Optimizer: not sure but sounds reasonable
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# [17:42] <Optimizer> so how should I proceed if I want to let remain the handlers even after page reload ?
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# [17:43] <NeilAway> Mano: + let self = this; why not bind generateChunk?
# [17:43] <Mic> Optimizer: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko-Specific_DOM_Events#MozAfterPaint
# [17:43] <Optimizer> how come I missed that note :|
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# [17:45] <NeilAway> Optimizer: add a capturing handler to the browser element?
# [17:46] <NeilAway> Mano: also, I'm not keen on using delete, but nm
# [17:46] <NeilAway> bbl
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# [19:52] <@smaug> or anyone, can I force a web page to show up in the about:newtab
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# [20:03] <Ms2ger> mounir, maybe you're here now?
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# [20:05] <@smaug> there is some strange regression in awesomebar
# [20:06] <@smaug> I select https://metrics.mozilla.com/data/
# [20:06] <@smaug> but it goes to dartlang.org
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# [20:06] <@smaug> (since I happened to open that at some point)
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# [20:07] <@smaug> very odd
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# [20:13] <@smaug> oh, it happens with some other pages too
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# [20:17] <mounir> Ms2ger: yep?
# [20:17] <Ms2ger> select.size = -2
# [20:17] <Ms2ger> What should happen?
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# [20:18] <mounir> oh
# [20:18] <mounir> somethin weird IIRC
# [20:19] <mounir> Ms2ger: .size = 0
# [20:19] <mounir> this is sadeness
# [20:19] <mounir> but we tried having a clever behavior
# [20:20] <mounir> but that was web incompatible
# [20:21] <Ms2ger> Yeah, that's the default for the IDL attribute
# [20:21] <Ms2ger> But afaict, we throw when setting it to a negative number, and the spec doesn't agree with that
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# [20:22] <mounir> oh
# [20:22] <mounir> that was about *that*
# [20:23] <mounir> oh
# [20:23] <mounir> indeed
# [20:23] <mounir> did that change?
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# [20:24] <Ms2ger> I don't know
# [20:25] <Ms2ger> It very well may have
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# [20:26] <mounir> if it did, I might be interested to know why
# [20:26] <Ms2ger> Seems to match the spec
# [20:26] <mounir> otherwise, you will be allowed to make a joke about French people :)
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# [20:30] <Ms2ger> Hrm
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# [20:31] <Ms2ger> NS_IMPL_POSITIVE_INT_ATTR_DEFAULT_VALUE doesn't seem to match anything in the spec
# [20:31] <Ms2ger> OTOH, nobody uses it, so we're fine ther
# [20:31] <Ms2ger> e
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# [20:32] <mounir> hmm
# [20:33] <lduros> hello -- for some reason I have extensions directories in browser/branding/unofficial/extensions/ and they get copied properly in dist/bin/extensions when running make. However, when I run make install they don't get copied over... I'm looking for the make file with the install lines for that
# [20:33] <mounir> Ms2ger: doesn't it match "unsigned long) that is limited to only non-negative numbers greater than zero" ?
# [20:33] <lduros> any tip where this is located
# [20:33] <Ms2ger> mounir, it implements a 'long', though
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# [20:34] <froydnj> lduros: probably somewhere under config/
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# [20:35] <lduros> froydnj: heh, thanks
# [20:35] <froydnj> lduros: or perhaps browser/build.mk
# [20:35] <froydnj> looking in *.mk is a good bet
# [20:35] <lduros> hmm maybe, thanks
# [20:35] <lduros> looking looking :-)
# [20:36] <mounir> oh
# [20:36] <lduros> the makefile system is such a huge monster :-)
# [20:36] <lduros> hard to figure out where is what :-)
# [20:36] <mounir> Ms2ger: there is the same one for |long| ;)
# [20:36] <mounir> "If a reflecting IDL attribute has a signed integer type (long) that is limited to only non-negative numbers"
# [20:36] <mounir> reflection is too cool :)
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> But that allows 0, doesn't it?
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# [20:37] <Ms2ger> Whereas this macro says...
# [20:37] <Ms2ger> This macro is much like
# [20:37] <Ms2ger> 1148 * the NS_IMPL_NON_NEGATIVE_INT_ATTR macro except the exception is
# [20:37] <Ms2ger> 1149 * thrown also when the value is equal to 0.
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# [20:37] <froydnj> lduros: you'll note that I didn't direct you to the exact location for precisely this reason ;)
# [20:37] <lduros> hehe
# [20:37] <lduros> :-)
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# [20:59] <Ms2ger> mounir, (filed bugs, ccd you)
# [21:00] <mounir> saw that
# [21:00] <mounir> I got so many emails since Friday evening... :(
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# [21:03] <Ms2ger> "It is widely acknowledged that browser.js is too damn bug."
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# [21:07] <philor> Freudian typo from the "split it up, it's too damn big" bug
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# [21:50] <Ms2ger> khuey|pto-until-june-4, yt?
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# [21:52] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: submitting to mozillamemes... if tumblr will let me
# [21:52] <NeilAway> oh, there it goes
# [21:53] <Ms2ger> Well, I wanted to ask him about the bug he just filed
# [21:53] <glandium> ehsan: the bugs you marked with the nspr upgrade we already fixed with the previous upgrade (to 4.9.1beta2)
# [21:54] <@ehsan> glandium: ok there wasn't much else I could do from the commit message
# [21:54] <glandium> ehsan: the only difference between 4.9.1beta2 and 4.9.1rtm is (afaik) the mpl2 relicensing
# [21:55] <@ehsan> ok
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# [21:55] <glandium> s/afaik/according to wtc (nspr maintainer)/
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# [22:09] <aceman> In file included from ../../../dist/include/nsHTMLVideoElement.h:10:0,
# [22:09] <aceman> from /var/SSD/TB-hg/mozilla/js/xpconnect/src/nsDOMQS.h:13,
# [22:09] <aceman> from /var/SSD/TB-hg/tbird-bin/mozilla/js/xpconnect/src/dom_quickstubs.cpp:151:
# [22:09] <aceman> ../../../dist/include/nsHTMLMediaElement.h:11:28: fatal error: nsMediaDecoder.h: File or directory does not exist
# [22:09] <aceman> I just got this from today's hg update
# [22:13] <Mavericks> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/f4a7c1a1f514/content/media has the file nsMediaDecoder.h
# [22:14] <Mavericks> aceman: can you check in your content/media for this file ?
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# [22:16] <aceman> source or objdir?
# [22:17] <aceman> yes I have it
# [22:17] <aceman> in source
# [22:19] <aceman> oh, it seems it is dependent on MOZ_MEDIA, in Makefile
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# [22:20] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: actually I was still reading scrollback
# [22:20] <NeilAway> Mano: pong
# [22:20] <Mano> NeilAway: hey
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# [22:21] <Mano> NeilAway: hrm, what comments?
# [22:21] <Mano> i sure didn't
# [22:21] * Mano was going to ask NeilAway about his combined patch for sm.
# [22:22] <NeilAway> Mano: are suite's livemarks buggy without your changes? I only recently managed to port the async livemark changes, so there may be bugs
# [22:22] <Mano> NeilAway: i'm going to test that now.
# [22:23] <NeilAway> Mano: code suggestion: + let siteUrl = livemarkInfo && livemarkInfo.siteURI && livemarkInfo.siteURI.spec;
# [22:23] <NeilAway> Mano: + let parentElt = this._getDOMNodeForPlacesNode(aPlacesNode); =~ s/aPlacesNode/aParentPlacesNode/ but you got it right the second time
# [22:23] <Mano> NeilAway: i don't like this, but i can do so for SM
# [22:23] <NeilAway> Mano: for + let self = this; why not bind generateChunk?
# [22:24] <Mano> NeilAway: it's a function statement...
# [22:24] <NeilAway> Mano: well, I don't like your use of delete, so there :-P
# [22:24] <Mano> + let parentElt = this._getDOMNodeForPlacesNode(aPlacesNode); =~ s/aPlacesNode/aParentPlacesNode/ but you got it right the second time
# [22:24] <Mano> where?
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# [22:25] <NeilAway> Mano: function PVB_nodeRemoved
# [22:25] <Mano> looking
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# [22:25] <Mano> ugh :(
# [22:26] <Mano> also in fx
# [22:26] <Mano> NeilAway: ok, fixed that.
# [22:26] <Mano> anything else?
# [22:26] <NeilAway> Mano: no, that's all I saw
# [22:27] <Mano> thanks for the help
# [22:27] <NeilAway> Mano: but now you mention it, why is generateChunk a local function with only one call?
# [22:27] <Mano> i'll test sm without my patch soon, to see if the livemark bugs are mine
# [22:27] <Mano> NeilAway: this code doesn't exist in fx...
# [22:27] <Mano> afaict.
# [22:27] <NeilAway> Mano: oh, it got removed?
# [22:28] <Mano> NeilAway: the code path there is somewhat different in fx, yes.
# [22:28] <NeilAway> Mano: well, KaiRo would have ported it from a snapshot of what Fx was using at the time...
# [22:28] <Mano> cannot tell when/why/how it changed.
# [22:29] <Mano> NeilAway: I wonder if it's worth moving this code to toolkit
# [22:29] <Mano> i don't like that you need to run after us like this.
# [22:29] <NeilAway> Mano: have to go, bbl
# [22:30] <Mano> NeilAway: and, btw, the code duplication in common/histroy is crazy :)
# [22:30] <Mano> ok
# [22:30] <Mano> tnx
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# [22:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9274e6b53af4 - Gavin Sharp - Back out 59409e2655ca (from bug 720081) due to bug 760803
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# [23:43] <philor> gavin: looks like aurora isn't entirely happy with your backout
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# [23:47] <capella> dang EGGS files ... recent pull now shows build\pylib\blessings\blessings.egg-info\PKG-INFO as a modified file in
# [23:47] <capella> my patch
# [23:48] <anant> yeah
# [23:48] <anant> those eggs have been messing my repo up
# [23:49] <capella> repo for starters ... now its gotten into my patch !
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# [23:54] <capella> hg qnew test / hg qrefresh / hg qpop / hg qdelete test --- all gone
# [23:55] <philor> gavin: oh, m-c's unhappy with it too, it just hadn't said anything about it yet
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