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# Session Start: Tue Jun 05 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:00] <gps> philor: ESR has spun off test builds on Linux. if my patch broke things, the entire tree would go red. I'm heading to bed
# [00:00] <philor> gps: k
# [00:00] <gps> and there's the OS X test builds
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# [00:01] <philor> lsblakk: for the very most fun, if you clobber something with more than 1024 builders listed, it won't happen no matter how many times you try :)
# [00:01] <bdahl> jmaher: and after running locally is there a recommended way to try and track down issues?
# [00:01] <philor> neither of these were that, though
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# [00:01] <philor> oh, I bet it *was* that
# [00:01] <lsblakk> philor: i guess i'm wondering if i need to file a bug here
# [00:01] <philor> because you're a SPECIAL_PERSON, so you would have had all the release builders listed too, right?
# [00:02] <philor> so you should probably look again, and if you wanted them clobbered select just them
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# [00:03] <jmaher> bdahl: hmm, I am not too experienced with that; I just know how to run the tests and collect the numbers
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# [00:17] <jwir3> In order to fix bug 749186, I am reconstructing frames using PresShell()->ReconstructFrames() during a preference change callback (see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=629384) however, during this, I get a bunch of assertions on reftests (http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1653663 ). It seems like during RecreateFramesFor(), it initiates a reflow, but then the presshell either is destroyed, or it's reflowing the old frames (which haven't yet been
# [00:17] <jwir3> destroyed maybe?)
# [00:17] <jwir3> anyone know what I might be able to do to find out what's going wrong here?
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# [00:24] <sicking> mounir: still there?
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# [00:59] <jduell> so mochitests don't flag failed NS_ASSERTIONs, eh? These just get lost in space?
# [01:00] <mounir> sicking: now I am
# [01:00] <dholbert> jduell, correct -- see bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404077
# [01:01] <zwol> jduell: I think dbaron was working on getting those flagged on a per-test basis
# [01:01] <zwol> very slowly
# [01:01] <dholbert> (yup, in that bug ^)
# [01:02] <jduell> thanks. In the meantime, I guess I'll treat NS_ASSERTIONs as documentation of developer aspirations more than anything else :)
# [01:02] <dholbert> jduell, alternately, you can use MOZ_ASSERT, if you want an actual crash in debug builds (which will get caught by tests)
# [01:02] <dholbert> jduell, (if this is in code you're writing/reviewing)
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# [01:03] <jduell> dholbert: ah, right.
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# [01:04] <espindola> decoder: anything you would like to add to 761421?
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# [01:05] <decoder> espindola: nope, sounds good to me. thanks for letting me know, so I can upgrade the mozconfigs we're using for the asan pushes
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# [01:08] <espindola> np. brb
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# [01:20] <@dbaron> zwol, it would be great if I could find somebody to get that patch landed
# [01:20] <@dbaron> zwol, there was a short period where it actually worked
# [01:20] <@dbaron> zwol, but that was no longer true once I had time to address the review comments
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# [01:24] <@roc> has the uplift happened
# [01:24] <zwol> dbaron: unfortunately I have no time to help at present
# [01:25] <zwol> I would love to see it land too
# [01:25] <bz> roc: yes
# [01:25] <@dbaron> ideally, somebody who knows XPConnect
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# [01:26] <aja> someone wanna update the topic?
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# [01:27] <@roc> we have unfixed bugs where MOZ_ASSERTs are triggered, so I guess they document developer aspirations too
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# [01:28] <darktrojan> there
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# [01:28] <darktrojan> now with more accuracy
# [01:28] <njn> philor: bug 749010 was perma-orange on Linux64 PGO builds in Beta 13, but doesn't seem to be in Release 13... am I reading TBPL correctly?
# [01:30] <njn> philor: oh, the mozilla-release TBPL hasn't run for a few days
# [01:30] <njn> that'd explain it
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# [01:32] <mbrubeck> njn: Still, interesting that it was green on the latest mozilla-release run
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# [01:32] <njn> mbrubeck: but that run was from three days ago, and this perma-orange was only on beta
# [01:32] <njn> mbrubeck: Beta 13, that is
# [01:32] <mbrubeck> njn: But we merged from beta to release last week
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# [01:33] <njn> mbrubeck: oh
# [01:33] <mbrubeck> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Release&rev=7ebf7352c959
# [01:33] <mbrubeck> very green push, by the way!
# [01:33] <njn> mbrubeck: interesting. It's a data race, so I guess something changed...
# [01:33] <jtcranmer> roc: ping
# [01:33] <@roc> hi
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# [01:34] <jtcranmer> you're listed as assigned on bug 80713, are you not?
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# [01:34] <njn> bent: ping
# [01:35] <philor> njn: after today's reconfig, my patch to make release do PGO should be active
# [01:36] <njn> philor: oh, no PGO builds on mozilla-release, that explains it
# [01:36] <njn> mbrubeck: ^^^
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# [01:36] <jtcranmer> roc: ^^^^^?
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# [01:37] <bent> njn, hi
# [01:38] <njn> bent: never mind, I worked it out
# [01:38] <bent> oh ok
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# [01:38] <@roc> not anymore!
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# [01:38] <bent> i wasn't very clear i guess?
# [01:38] <bent> sorry about that
# [01:39] <jtcranmer> roc: drats, that's exactly the wrong reaction I wanted
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# [01:39] <jtcranmer> roc: I know protz was working on the patch, but he says he lacks the time to do any further development
# [01:39] <jtcranmer> roc: so I had been hoping that you could finish up the patch :-/
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# [01:45] <heycam> smaug, pong
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# [01:46] <@smaug> heycam: is there any reason for float in IDL, except some historical
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# [01:46] <@smaug> I mean, shouldn't double be ok
# [01:46] <heycam> smaug, yes, I think so. we should suggest people to just use double in all future specs.
# [01:47] <@smaug> heycam: ok
# [01:47] <@smaug> heycam: perhaps webidl spec should say something about this
# [01:47] <heycam> yeah
# [01:48] <@roc> floats make sense in arays
# [01:48] <heycam> oh for webgl?
# [01:48] <@roc> and maybe structs
# [01:48] <@roc> and audio processing for example
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# [01:49] <@roc> float might also be good enough for a graphics matrix
# [01:49] <@smaug> ah, true
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# [01:49] <@roc> especially 3D where the difference is between 64 and 128 bytes
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# [01:49] <@smaug> but in non data-processing APIs double
# [01:49] <heycam> but unless there are specific reasons to use float, spec writers should prefer double, since it matches JS Number
# [01:49] <@roc> agreed
# [01:50] <@roc> people should use double unless they can make a good argument for float
# [01:50] <heycam> I will add a note saying that
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# [01:54] <bz> Should people use "double" or "unrestricted double"? ;)
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# [01:57] <@roc> does new-DOM-bindings handle double vs unrestricted double?
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# [01:57] <bz> roc: not yet
# [01:57] <@roc> hmm
# [01:58] <bz> roc: but we should fix that...
# [01:58] <@roc> WebIDL says to handle non-finite double values by throwing a TypeError
# [01:58] <bz> yes
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# [01:58] <bz> for "double"
# [01:58] <bz> unlike "unrestricted double"
# [01:58] * bz is not 100% convinced, but...
# [01:58] <@roc> unfortunately, 2D canvas handles non-finite values by just ignoring the call
# [01:58] <bz> 2d canvas should be using unrestricted double
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# [01:59] <@roc> sure, but it's a slight pain since we could have simpler and slightly faster code by pushing the finite check to the bindings layer
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# [01:59] <bz> mmm
# [01:59] <bz> poke heycam?
# [01:59] <bz> or I guess we could add an extended attr ourselves....
# [01:59] <heycam> you are free to introduce some extended attributes that just our bindings generators understand
# [01:59] <heycam> yes
# [02:00] * bz has been trying to not do that
# [02:00] <bz> for args
# [02:00] <bz> because it leads to maintenance hell
# [02:00] <@roc> why?
# [02:00] <bz> but maybe we just lose
# [02:00] <bz> so one thing I would like is if the diffs between our IDL and the official spec IDL are sane
# [02:01] <bz> so when the spec changes without having any sort of changelog, as they tend to
# [02:01] <bz> we can just grab the new IDL and diff against ours
# [02:01] <bz> and see what the hell they changed
# [02:01] <@roc> can't we just use some regexes to remove our custom stuff
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# [02:01] <bz> extended attrs on methods or props can work ok in this setup: just put them on the previous line
# [02:01] <bz> mmm
# [02:01] <bz> maybe
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# [02:01] <bz> anyway
# [02:02] * bz should put kids to bed
# [02:02] <bz> back later
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# [02:08] <jlebar> How do I create a mzi.la URL?
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# [02:08] <jlebar> er, mzl.la
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# [02:15] <mbrubeck> jlebar: If I remember right, for some domains, bit.ly will automatically produce mzl.la URLs. For others, you need a login to the bit.ly pro account which you might be able to get from one of our engagement folk.
# [02:15] <@khuey> the login credentials are on the moco internal forum somewhere
# [02:15] <@khuey> iirc
# [02:15] <njn> bent: is http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1655629 what you wanted?
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# [02:16] <bent> njn, yes! looks great
# [02:16] <jlebar> Oh, the forums. This would be first time they were useful.
# [02:16] <njn> bent: I'm going to do the move-code-to-merge-namespace changes in a second patch
# [02:16] <njn> bent: because it completely obfuscates things
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# [02:17] <bent> ok
# [02:17] <@khuey> jlebar: indeed
# [02:17] <@khuey> Callek: did you ever get that review you needed?
# [02:18] <jlebar> khuey, Well, it gets me halfway there; I have someone I can e-mail to get the credentiala.s
# [02:18] <jlebar> er, credentials
# [02:18] <Callek> khuey: not yet, but I haven't written/tested patch yet either, are you willing to rs+ that fix?
# [02:18] <Callek> (assuming it works locally)
# [02:19] <@khuey> jlebar: do they still work here? :-P
# [02:19] <@khuey> Callek: if it's a real fix, yes
# [02:19] <Callek> khuey: its just a MSVC2008 bustage-fix, works fine on MSVC2010
# [02:19] <Callek> by qualifying the namespace better is what we suspect will fix it
# [02:20] <Callek> (in this spot)
# [02:21] <@khuey> man
# [02:21] <@khuey> I hate our build system
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# [02:21] <Mossop> Good job you don't have to work on it or anything
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# [02:21] <@khuey> yeah, I know, isn't that ... hey wait a minute
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# [02:22] <derf> You're not the wallet inspector!
# [02:24] <@khuey> derf++
# [02:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3edf11eed119 - Brad Lassey - backout bug 755070
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# [02:33] <lduros> khuey do you hate "make"?
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# [02:36] <@dolske> ohgod, who said wallet? O_O
# [02:37] * njn wishes the tinderboxes were telling the truth when they said "(default is no email)"
# [02:37] <@dolske> one. one mail. ah ah ah
# [02:37] * njn is getting sick of Talos Regression emails with 100s or 1000s of changesets
# [02:38] <njn> dolske: I removed my gmail filter for them because I believed the hype
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# [02:40] <@dolske> are you sure it wasn't just slaves getting aroudn to work from last month?
# [02:40] <@dolske> (my last push just generated 1 email, shrug)
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# [02:42] <philor> um, "(default is no email)" is on the trychooser
# [02:43] <philor> we don't actually have a "I'm pushing on a tree and at a time when I might be involved in a perf regression, but I don't want to know about it" chooser
# [02:43] <njn> philor: they were two separte complaints
# [02:43] <njn> philor: I still get "Try submission 4c6a523c293f" emails when I choose "no email" on the try chooser
# [02:44] <@dolske> you're probably just on their newsletter list.
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# [02:45] <@khuey> you should just set the Do Not Spam header on your ssh client
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# [02:46] <philor> ah, that - since that one provides useful info, unlike all the others, we'd have to have "( ) no email including the useful one, ( ) no email except the useful one, ( ) email about failues in hidden jobs, ( ) I'm so lonely I want mail about successful jobs"
# [02:46] <@roc> wow, a lot of stuff landed over the weekend
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# [02:47] <njn> philor: that one's useful, is it? I never realized...
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# [02:47] <njn> dolske: I can't find the "unsubscribe" linke!
# [02:47] <darktrojan> it contains the link to tbpl!
# [02:47] <@khuey> the useful one is probably the "done" one
# [02:48] <njn> khuey: only if you bother waiting until all tests are done
# [02:48] <philor> njn: it has the link to open tbpl to just your push
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# [02:49] <philor> no longer as valuable as it once was, we used to load something like 24 hours of pushes instead of the most recent 10, which was beyond painful on a busy try day
# [02:50] <philor> but still, if you push to try on Friday, and want to see your results on Monday, paging back on tbpl isn't going to be much fun
# [02:50] <njn> philor: hmm, fair enough
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# [03:00] <njn> why am I still getting warnings about pdf.js?
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# [03:00] <njn> and why do I click "allow this installation"... and then what? there's no "ok" button. And it ends up disabled when I close the tab
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# [03:01] <@khuey> dbaron: sfgate says we should be able to see the transit
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# [03:02] <gavin> njn: in a local build?
# [03:02] <njn> gavin: yes
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# [03:02] <gavin> you may want to clobber whatever directory its in
# [03:02] <yury> njn: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758291 ?
# [03:02] <njn> gavin: delete my build directory, you mean?
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# [03:02] <gavin> sure that'd work too
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# [03:03] <njn> gavin: ok. the lack of "ok" or "continue" button in the page is the most disturbing part, though
# [03:03] <gavin> that's weird
# [03:03] <gavin> sounds like a separate bug
# [03:03] <njn> gavin: hopefully it's just a franken-configuration
# [03:05] <@dolske> khuey: I'd make a remark about fog, but the weather for south bay has also been miserable.
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# [03:05] <@dolske> khuey: I probably cursed it by preparing... http://www.flickr.com/photos/dolske/7330438704/in/photostream :|
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# [03:07] <@khuey> heh
# [03:07] <@khuey> that's a little green :-P
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# [03:12] <darktrojan> hmm
# [03:12] <darktrojan> the video on the nightly first run page doesn't work
# [03:12] <darktrojan> on my nightly
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# [03:17] <JonathanS> darktrojan, did you made a meme for it?
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# [03:18] <darktrojan> first world problems?
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# [03:18] <JonathanS> yeah
# [03:18] <JonathanS> http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/24022507361/did-somebody-say-free free?
# [03:19] <darktrojan> yay someone posted the browser.js one
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# [03:20] <JonathanS> darktrojan, it is too damn HIGH
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# [04:26] <k> are any devs around that can help me figure out a regression?
# [04:26] <k> (in Firefox)
# [04:26] <k> I believe it's JavaScript-related
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# [04:27] <Havvy> Try explaining the regression.
# [04:27] <k> I already found a pushlog between Nightly versions when it worked/didn't work: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=65fa5cb6f79c&tochange=3aa566994890
# [04:27] <k> Havvy: have you ever used Google Map Maker before?
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# [04:27] <Havvy> (I'm not actually a developer)
# [04:27] <k> oh
# [04:27] <k> well, there's an edit feature in Google Map Maker for features/roads/etc.
# [04:28] <k> and it completely borked in 2012-05-31
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# [04:28] <k> i.e., nothing happens when you hit "Edit;" I found the regression range using mozregression, but I'm stuck, since there are, like, 81 changes between those nightlies
# [04:28] <k> so I'm hoping a dev can help me narrow down the issue
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# [04:35] <@khuey> Change : +1382.117 (1.43e+05% / z=286572.146)
# [04:35] <@khuey> lulz
# [04:35] <@khuey> I never saw a z-score of 286 thousand in stats class
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# [04:36] <philor> yeah, I started liking that, and then I realized I got two copies, one from tree-management and one directly, because I checked something into 15
# [04:36] <philor> that's awesome mailing, hardly any risk of that causing people to ignore them
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# [04:38] <@khuey> it's pretty awesome that it results in mailing *anyone who checked anything into that release at all*
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# [04:45] <philor> now that we've pissed in the talos regression email well, we should probably turn them off until we both don't send them for merges, and think that enough people have forgotten so we'll at least have double-digit numbers of people who don't trash them unread
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# [04:49] <@khuey> I think we did more than piss in the well
# [04:49] <@khuey> I think we dumped nuclear waste there
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# [04:53] <Havvy> khuey|away: So you just have to wait 30 years^H^H^H^H^H releases before sending emails again. ;)
# [04:53] <philor> filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761484
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# [04:54] <bsmith> taras: ping
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# [04:55] <darktrojan> Unfocused, seen this oddity before? http://i.imgur.com/Jt63a.png?1
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# [05:01] <Unfocused> darktrojan: hmm, no
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# [05:03] <darktrojan> I can't figure out why it does it
# [05:03] <darktrojan> the box doesn't grow to fit the contents
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# [05:07] <@khuey> heh
# [05:07] <@khuey> youtube crashed
# [05:08] <@khuey> "Sorry, something went wrong."
# [05:08] <@khuey> "A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation."
# [05:08] <jprmc> njn: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71092 - can that just be resolved/fixed now?
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# [05:09] <@khuey> jprmc: wrong bug?
# [05:09] <jprmc> indeed
# [05:09] <jprmc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710922
# [05:09] <jprmc> c/p one number short
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# [05:12] <bsmith> How can I get the telemetry dashboard to show me build IDs as the X axis, and the measurement on the Y axis?
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# [05:22] <darktrojan> hmm so anyway where was I
# [05:23] <darktrojan> I hate it when bugs get in the way of me fixing bugs
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# [05:32] <Unfocused> darktrojan: i can't tell if your "wait for it to get fixed" comment was serious or not
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# [05:33] <darktrojan> neither am I
# [05:33] <Unfocused> heh
# [05:33] <Unfocused> having that fixed would remove so many hacks in the frontend code...
# [05:34] <darktrojan> xul IS a hack
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# [05:36] <darktrojan> about:newaddon could be rewritten in HTML, I guess
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# [05:39] <Unfocused> it could. good luck with that
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# [05:39] <darktrojan> I was going for option 1
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# [05:40] <Unfocused> i blame monday
# [05:43] <njn> jprmc: yes!
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# [05:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a7a905fd70d5 - Kyle Huey - Bug 752468: Remove some code accidentally reintroduced in Bug 751999. r=jst
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# [05:53] <jlebar> Is "TEST-INFO | ShutdownLeaks | leaked 2 DOMWindow(s) and 0 DocShell(s) until shutdown" a test failure?
# [05:54] <lmandel> bsmith: Sounds like you want to track a measurement over time. Have you tried Telemetry Evolution?
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# [05:54] <bsmith> lmandel: yes, but it isn't clear that that is comparing build ids
# [05:54] <bsmith> vs. just telemetry submitted on particular dates
# [05:54] <jlebar> bsmith, It is, even though it's not clear.
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# [05:55] <jlebar> bsmith, "We're not stupid" is what I was told when I asked about it. Not stupid enough to do the wrong thing, but not smart enough to convince the user of that, it seems.
# [05:55] <lmandel> bsmith: Like jlebar said.
# [05:55] <lmandel> Good feedback though.
# [05:56] <bsmith> how do I get the box plots?
# [05:56] <jlebar> bsmith, There are no box plots. Only the vertical black and gray lines.
# [05:57] <bsmith> In telemetry evolution, it is great to see the median
# [05:57] <jlebar> bsmith, there's a link for "show median".
# [05:57] <bsmith> but, it would be helpful to see the variance
# [05:57] <bsmith> sorry, I meant mean
# [05:57] <jlebar> bsmith, The vertical lines show variance.
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# [05:58] <jlebar> bsmith, The vertical lines are 5-25, 25-75, 75-95 percentiles.
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# [05:58] <jlebar> bsmith, And the blue dots are the mean, unless they're the median.
# [05:59] <bsmith> Yes, I got that last part between mean and median
# [05:59] <bsmith> but, I don't see the lines
# [05:59] <bsmith> e.g. on CACHE_SERVICE_LOCK_WAIT_MAINTHREAD
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# [06:00] <jlebar> bsmith, They are indeed not there for that histogram.
# [06:00] <jlebar> bsmith, To see what I mean, try MEMORY_RESIDENT.
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# [06:01] <bsmith> Yes, I got it
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# [06:01] <bsmith> I would like to have those lines on my telemetry. Maybe we're doing it wrong
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# [06:01] <jlebar> bsmith, It's very likely a bug on their end.
# [06:01] <bsmith> Oh, the median is zero
# [06:01] <bsmith> 99% of the time these numbers are zero
# [06:02] <bsmith> I guess I want the variance of the non-zero numbers
# [06:02] <bsmith> which means we should stop collecting the zeros, I guess
# [06:02] <jlebar> Or introduce a new histogram.
# [06:02] <jlebar> That would probably be easier than trying to get them to fix it.
# [06:03] <bsmith> who is "them"?
# [06:03] <jlebar> bsmith, The metrics front-end people.
# [06:03] <jlebar> bsmith, Last time I checked, we contract it out to a group in Portugal. I forget the company name.
# [06:05] <jlebar> bsmith, They tend to hang out in #metrics.
# [06:05] <bsmith> Got it.
# [06:05] <bsmith> The other thing I couldn't figure out how to do this this:
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# [06:06] <bsmith> "What percentage of the hits are under 25ms? under 50ms? under 100ms? under 200ms?" etc
# [06:06] <jlebar> bsmith, You want a CDF, which we don't really have.
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# [06:06] <bsmith> basically, how do you get the tool to add up the percentages in a selected range?
# [06:07] <jlebar> bsmith, The best you could do is export from the normal telemetry histogram to JSON and roll it yourself.
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# [06:07] <bsmith> Are there any tools for converting that JSON to XLS?
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# [06:08] <bsmith> Or, in general, what tools are people using to analyze the JSON?
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# [06:09] <espadrine> I'd be surprised to learn that a JSON-to-XLS converter exists
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# [06:10] <lmandel> bsmith: It is also good to document your requirements as we're reviewing Telemetry UI and UX. If you file a bug I'll at least guarantee that it will be included in the review. Metrics->Frontend.
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# [06:11] <bsmith> lmandel: Sure, I will be happy to
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# [06:11] <bsmith> Mostly, I am just trying to use the front end and failing until now. Thanks for your help guys
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# [06:12] <lmandel> bsmith: Common story. That's why we need to review it and see how we can make it more consumable and useful.
# [06:13] <bsmith> One last question:
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# [06:13] <bsmith> in CACHE_SERVICE_LOCK_WAIT_MAINTHREAD, the mean is reported to be ~0.25
# [06:13] <bsmith> (in Telemetry Evolution)
# [06:14] <bsmith> The histogram is defined as 1-10,000, 10,000 buckets
# [06:14] <bsmith> and it is measured in MS
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# [06:14] <bsmith> now, is the telemtry evolution number (0.25) in milliseconds, or converted to seconds?
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# [06:15] <bsmith> Because, if it is still reporting milliseconds, then this telemetry is really useless due to all the zeros bringing down the mean
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# [06:17] <bsmith> Actually, it is surprising that any zeros are reported considering that the minimum in the histogram range is 1. :(
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# [06:22] <devd> bsmith: convert json to csv and read in the XLS. You will still need to manually create the graph though
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# [06:35] <jlebar> bsmith, I don't think telemetry does any unit conversions.
# [06:35] <jlebar> bsmith, So it sounds like things are pretty broken there.
# [06:36] <jlebar> bsmith, Also, telemetry leaves room for a "less than smallest bucket" bucket. That's probably where the 0's are coming from.
# [06:36] <jlebar> bsmith, (In contrast, telemetry does not leave room for a "bigger than biggest bucket" bucket.)
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# [06:43] <bz_away> uh
# [06:43] <bz_away> is it not possible to turn off pdf.js in nightlies?
# [06:43] * bz_away no longer sees a pdf.js extension in about:addons
# [06:44] <Unfocused> bz_away: not until bug 752676 lands
# [06:44] <bz_away> $%^%$%^^%&^%
# [06:44] * bz_away wonders how he can save this PDF
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# [06:45] <padenot> bz: wget ?
# [06:45] <bz> padenot: it's behind a login, obviously
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# [06:45] <Unfocused> had that issue a few days ago too - attempting to load a pdf just broke the viewer, and i couldn't download the file
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# [06:46] <bz> padenot: otherwise the pdf.js save button might have worked too
# [06:46] <padenot> bz: right.
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# [06:49] <bz> padenot: but pdf.js is not sending whatever login info it needs to send....
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# [06:55] <jlebar> bz, I hear chrome works great.
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# [06:57] <bz> jlebar: Firefox worked great for me before!
# [06:58] <bz> jlebar: when I had pdf.js disabled....
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# [06:58] <jlebar> bz, At this point, don't we usually suggest to the frustrated user that there's an extension they can install to revert to the old behavior? :)
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# [06:58] <jlebar> bz, (Not that I don't commiserate, because I do, very much so.)
# [06:59] <bz> fwiw, Chrome's PDF viewer has no problems with saving the PDF
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# [06:59] <bz> I wonder what the pdf.js save code is actually doing
# [06:59] <bz> and who reviewed it....
# [07:00] <bz> is this code in m-c?
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# [07:00] <bz> ah
# [07:00] <bz> pdfjs
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# [07:01] <bz> 386 FirefoxCom.request('download', url);
# [07:01] <jwir3|dinner> jlebar: ahaha @ the chrome works great comment
# [07:01] <jwir3|dinner> :)
# [07:01] <bz> uh
# [07:02] <bz> this is using userdata
# [07:02] <bz> w
# [07:02] <bz> t
# [07:02] <bz> f
# [07:02] <jwir3|dinner> :|
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# [07:03] <bz> oh, for crying out loud
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# [07:03] <bz> this is so completely and utterly broken
# [07:03] <bz> beyond belief
# [07:03] <bz> I mean
# [07:03] <bz> we have "save as" infrastructure
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# [07:03] <bz> which we've spent years getting right
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# [07:04] <bz> so of course the right course of action was to ignore it and roll own
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# [07:04] <bdahl> bz: you can turn it off in preferences -> applications
# [07:04] <bdahl> under the pdf content type
# [07:04] <gavin> FirefoxCom? o_O
# [07:04] <bdahl> bz: also the save behavior has changed in the current github version
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# [07:06] <bz> bdahl: 1) No, I can't
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# [07:07] <bz> bdahl: I have PDF set as "Always Ask" there
# [07:07] <bz> bdahl: and nary a mention of the built-in pdf viewer there
# [07:07] <bdahl> bz: sorry this just landed today
# [07:07] <bdahl> not in nightly yet
# [07:07] <bz> bdahl: 2) Link me to the relevant code?
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# [07:07] <bz> bdahl: though I'll bet money it's wrong
# [07:08] <bz> bdahl: unless it's going through the toolkit codepaths for saving now
# [07:09] <bz> https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/blob/master/extensions/firefox/components/PdfStreamConverter.js#L131
# [07:09] <bz> Right?
# [07:09] <bz> hmm
# [07:09] <bdahl> bz: https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/blob/master/extensions/firefox/components/PdfStreamConverter.js#L131
# [07:09] <bdahl> yes
# [07:09] <bz> and corresponding changes to the caller
# [07:09] <bz> so everything involving "originalURL" there is completely broken
# [07:09] <bz> fwiw
# [07:10] * bz goes to see what's going on with the blobUrl bits
# [07:10] <bdahl> the original url is the fallbac
# [07:10] <bz> yes
# [07:10] <bz> I can tell that from the comments. ;)
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# [07:12] <bz> ok
# [07:12] <bz> so what's the non-fallback path?
# [07:12] <bz> you're caching the actual PDF data somewhere?
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# [07:12] <bz> Also, what are we shipping in 14?
# [07:12] <bz> In 15?
# [07:13] <bdahl> bz: it's stored in the worker, when download is clicked we put it in a blob and stream it out
# [07:13] <bz> ok
# [07:13] <bz> that's much much more sane
# [07:13] <bdahl> also, the motivation for us canceling the original request and doing it ourselves is so we can eventually support partial loading of pdfs
# [07:13] <gavin> bz: 15
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# [07:14] <bz> gavin: so 14 has no pdf.js at all, right?
# [07:14] <bdahl> correct
# [07:14] <bz> ok
# [07:14] <jlebar> Did we ever fix the bug where it asks if you want to enable pdf.js? I recall seeing that just a day ago...
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# [07:14] <jlebar> (That is, the scary add-on screen.)
# [07:14] <bz> and 15 has which save+disabling behavior?
# [07:14] <bz> or is planned to have?
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# [07:15] <gavin> jlebar: yes
# [07:15] <jlebar> I guess the idea is that it's no longer an add-on, so no more scary add-on screen.
# [07:15] <gavin> jlebar: but there's another bug where the old addon version sticks around too
# [07:15] <bz> bdahl: so offhand, the two things that doing your own requests will completely fuck up
# [07:15] <bz> bdahl: 1) URIs with nonces in them (which is what I was just dealing with)
# [07:15] <Mossop> gavin: Damn, did we not fix that?
# [07:15] <gavin> jlebar: bug 758291
# [07:15] <jlebar> gavin, But the bug for disabling pdf.js, that didn't make ff15?
# [07:15] <gavin> Mossop: ^
# [07:15] <jlebar> (If it just landed today...)
# [07:15] <bz> bdahl: 2) PDFs that are ther results of POST requets
# [07:15] <gavin> jlebar: we're intending to ship it in 15
# [07:15] <bz> er, requests
# [07:15] <jlebar> So we're intending to backport it? Okay.
# [07:16] <bz> bdahl: the only safe thing to do with saving is to cache the data (either yourself or rely on the necko cache) and read it from cache
# [07:16] <gavin> well the bug only occurs in places where we ever shipped the addon version
# [07:16] <gavin> which is only nightly, afaik
# [07:16] <bdahl> bz: 15 has the crappy re-request method
# [07:16] <bz> bdahl: if you have to try to recontact the server, you lose
# [07:16] <bz> bdahl: yeah, ok. As long as pdf.js can be disabled there it's survivable...
# [07:17] <bdahl> bz: 1) i'll need to learn more about 2) on post request we throw an exception and say we don't support them triggering the save as/open with dialog
# [07:17] <bz> bdahl: hmm. Where does that logic for POST live?
# [07:17] <bz> bdahl: I'm not sure what there is to learn about (1)
# [07:17] <bz> bdahl: the setup is simple:
# [07:18] <bz> 1) The site has a link to http://foo
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# [07:18] <bdahl> bz: https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/blob/master/extensions/firefox/components/PdfStreamConverter.js#L335
# [07:18] <bz> 2) This redirects to http://bar?12345
# [07:18] <bz> where 12345 is randomly generated
# [07:18] <bz> http://bar?12345 responds with the content only once
# [07:18] <bz> if you try to get it using that URL again, you get a error response
# [07:18] <bz> in the case of ADP, a 401
# [07:20] <bz> aha
# [07:20] <bz> great
# [07:20] <bz> so the POST case is handled, indeed
# [07:20] <bz> Good, good. ;)
# [07:20] <bz> bdahl: anyway, just try saving an actual pay stub from ADP
# [07:20] <bz> bdahl: with a pdf.js without the blob bits....
# [07:21] <bdahl> yeah, it was one of the motivators for the fix
# [07:21] <bz> ADP in particular? ;)
# [07:21] <bdahl> yes
# [07:21] <bz> so I'm a little confused
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# [07:21] <bz> when is this fallback hit, then?
# [07:21] <bz> if we're saving the data as we go?
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# [07:22] <bdahl> if something blows up and the worker fails to return the pdf data
# [07:22] <bz> ok
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# [07:23] <bz> can we fall back to using the existing toolkit save mechanisms for that?
# [07:23] <bz> which try to correctly use the necko cache and whatnot?
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# [07:23] <bdahl> bz: link to relavent bits?
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# [07:26] <bz> bdahl: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/contentAreaUtils.js#82
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# [07:27] <bz> Though you would likely want saveDocument()
# [07:27] <bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/contentAreaUtils.js#132
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# [07:30] <bdahl> bz: we actually use to be using saveURL() in there but we got feedback that people preferred the open with/save as dialog
# [07:30] <bdahl> the current way was the only way i could figure out how to trigger that dialog
# [07:30] <bdahl> with doContent()
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# [07:33] <bdahl> bz: is it recommended to use a content listener or a content handler?
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# [07:38] <bz> ok
# [07:38] <bz> so
# [07:38] <bz> if you want to trigger the open with save as dialog
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# [07:38] <bz> then you can go the doContent way
# [07:38] <bz> but you need to set up all the right caching stuff on the channel
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# [07:40] <bz> bdahl: not sure what you mean about content listener vs content handler
# [07:40] <bz> bdahl: or rather... they do pretty different things, so in what sense are we interchanging them?
# [07:41] <bdahl> seems we can handle pdfs three ways: content listener, content handler, stream converter
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# [07:41] <bz> oh, for the initial rendering?
# [07:42] <bz> the only thing you can do with a content handler is get handed the URI the data came from
# [07:42] <bz> what you do after that is up to you
# [07:43] <bz> so in particular, the hard nonce or POST cases are impossible with a content handler
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# [07:43] <bz> content listener vs stream converter is just a matter of flexibility
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# [07:44] <bz> A stream converter is just a particular kind of content listener for which we have more support infrastructure in place (e.g. redispatch back into the handler determination mechanism)
# [07:44] <bdahl> we are currently a stream converter as you saw
# [07:44] <bdahl> which felt wrong
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# [07:44] <bz> right
# [07:45] <bdahl> so would a content listener be more appropriate?
# [07:45] <bz> well, if you did a content listener....
# [07:45] <bz> how would you then implement it?
# [07:45] <bz> The canonical content listener here is "Gecko"
# [07:46] <bz> which goes and "by hand" creates a document, elements in it, etc
# [07:46] <bz> you could do something like that
# [07:46] <bz> but it would mean you couldn't just store your document as a string and get the brower to parse it
# [07:46] <bz> at least not easily
# [07:47] <bz> which you get free with the stream converter
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# [07:52] <bdahl> bz: using a nsIURIContentListener looks like we could do pretty much what we currently do
# [07:52] <bdahl> we actually use to be a content handler
# [07:53] <bdahl> before i started https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/commit/e18ddc9c975fecf3831ba3e2b44d4923b2fbbf6b#L3R109
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# [07:55] <gaston> bin/webapprt/modules/WebappRT.jsm
# [07:55] <gaston> gmake[3]: *** [stage-package] Error 255
# [07:55] <gaston> anyone else seen that ?
# [07:55] <daleharvey> anyone happen to know when something like getAllDabaseNames will be implemented for indexeddb in firefox?
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# [07:56] <glandium> gaston: missing ifdef in the package manifest
# [07:56] <glandium> (probably)
# [07:57] <gaston> okay, will have a look in this area then
# [07:57] <gaston> hah and aurora failed to build with this know well known error : gmake[6]: *** No rule to make target `../../gfx/ots/src/libmozots.a', needed by `libgkmedias.a.desc'. Stop.
# [07:57] <gaston> :)
# [07:57] <gaston> not surprised since there was the uplift..
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# [08:03] <philor> mmm, nice to be able to back out a patch from 2009 to test a test change
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# [08:05] <gaston> glandium: seems it's on the last file of package-manifest.in so not sure.. and the webapprt files are withint MOZ_APP_RUNTIME (dunno if it should be defined when building plain firefox).
# [08:06] <gaston> oh well, maybe just a clobber needed after the version bump :)
# [08:06] <glandium> gaston: probably not, the webapprt thing for linux landed, so it's probably that
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# [08:06] <glandium> gaston: so maybe configure sets MOZ_WEBAPP_RUNTIME but the build system never goes under webapprt or something like that
# [08:07] <gaston> but why would it fail after the 'last' webapprt file and not the first then ?
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# [08:08] <glandium> gaston: hey, you are the one with the objdir ;)
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# [08:08] <glandium> you tell me
# [08:08] <gaston> yeah looking
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# [08:12] <squib> is mozITXTToHTMLConv the proper thing to use for finding links in plain text?
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# [08:12] <philor> mmm, awkward, back out the patch, the reftest still passes
# [08:13] <gaston> it is indeed defined to 1 in autoconf.mk, but webapprt/Makefile only matches Linux. DoH.
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# [08:14] <gaston> oh come on
# [08:14] <gaston> if (readlink("/proc/self/exe", curExePath, MAXPATHLEN) == -1)
# [08:14] <gaston> so nice for portability
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# [08:15] <bz> bdahl: using nsIURIContentListener would make it pretty hard to render inside an iframe sanely
# [08:15] <bz> on which note...
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# [08:16] <glandium> gaston: there's no portable way to do that correctly
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# [08:16] <glandium> gaston: that being said, there's BinaryPath::Get()
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# [08:18] <gaston> gah and it seems the same code is in aurora..
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# [08:19] <glandium> gaston: mmm i'm surprised it made it to aurora
# [08:19] <gaston> maybe not but the commit was from 2 days ago
# [08:19] <@roc> we uplifted to Aurora today :-)
# [08:20] <gaston> i'm always confused about commit timestamps vs actual push to a repo
# [08:20] <glandium> gaston: mercurial is completely useless for that
# [08:21] <glandium> it only records authoring time, not commit time
# [08:21] <gaston> oh there's XRE_GetBinaryPath too
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# [08:21] <glandium> gaston: not that early in main
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# [08:36] <squib> hm... there's nothing even remotely like innerHTML in XUL, is there?
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# [08:39] <KWierso> squib: for reading the value or setting it? I think this would work for reading the value:
# [08:39] <KWierso> var innerHTML = (new XMLSerializer()).serializeToString(document.getElementById('myElement'));
# [08:39] <KWierso> No clue for setting it...
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# [08:40] <squib> KWierso: i need to set it, unfortunately. i'm trying to use mozITXTToHTMLConv to convert the text of an email subject so that any links are clickable
# [08:41] <squib> i can get it to give me an HTML string, but it's hard to inject that into the XUL description element
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# [08:41] <KWierso> squib: I got nuthin, sorry :(
# [08:42] <squib> DOMParser might do what i need, if i can figure out how to migrate the nodes
# [08:42] <KWierso> appendChild/removeChild?
# [08:42] <squib> maybe
# [08:42] <squib> i have no idea how this works cross-document
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# [08:56] <squib> KWierso: i got it to work... sort of
# [08:57] <KWierso> \o/
# [08:57] <squib> i used DOMParser and then document.importNode
# [08:57] <squib> too bad when you click a link, it tries to open inside the main thunderbird window and totally horks everything
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# [09:25] <alexdmt> thank you anyway ;)
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# [09:58] <cers> is there a way (say, via .mozconfig) to make the mozilla-central build use yasm-1 instead of yasm? The ubuntu system I have (non-root) access to is a bit old, and has both installed - but configure dies when it finds the latter and figures it's version is too low
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# [10:02] <glazou> bonjour
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# [10:05] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
# [10:07] <ewong> Bon apres midi... ;P
# [10:07] <glazou> eheh
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# [10:09] <glazou> hi jet !
# [10:10] <jet> hi glazou :)
# [10:10] <Ms2ger> Hmm, http://testthewebforward.org/ seems like it might actually be useful
# [10:11] * glazou goes back to the implementation of EPUB editing
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# [10:13] <glazou> and honestly, I think that debugging nsCaret or nsHTMLSerializer is funnier :(
# [10:13] <Ms2ger> It's that bad?
# [10:13] <glazou> it's a gigantic mess
# [10:13] <glazou> so yes
# [10:13] <glazou> writing a browser of EPUB is fairly simple
# [10:14] <glazou> an editor is really painful
# [10:14] <Ms2ger> Fortunately your work on Gecko has prepared you for gigantic messes ;)
# [10:14] <glazou> for instance EPUB2 says that only xhtml11 is allowed
# [10:14] <Ms2ger> Ehehe
# [10:15] <glazou> but I find epub2 ebooks on the web with all flavors of html
# [10:15] <glazou> according to spec those are invalid
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# [10:15] <glazou> and should not be even opened
# [10:15] <glazou> there is no fallback at all
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# [10:16] <glazou> it explicitely says webfonts are allowed if store locally in thz zip but all is mimetype-based and mimetypes for all font formats are badly defined
# [10:16] <glazou> s/store/stored
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# [10:16] <glazou> and of course, epub3 is html5-based, not xhtml11...
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# [10:17] <glazou> I even have an epub3 ebook here, where all docs should be html5, but where all document instances' file extensions are .xml...
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# [10:18] <Ms2ger> And are they well-formed?
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# [10:18] <glazou> they're not even xml !
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# [10:18] <Ms2ger> Lovely
# [10:18] <glazou> yeah
# [10:18] <glazou> and the spec says nothing about the fallbacks
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# [10:19] <Ms2ger> Sounds like what you need is an epub-Hixie :)
# [10:19] * glazou does not even mention it's full of DublinCore-based metadata
# [10:19] <glazou> Ms2ger: sounds like IPDF consortium needs the article I am writing about it...
# [10:19] <glazou> IDPF even
# [10:20] * Ms2ger resolves to stay away from epub for now
# [10:21] * glazou loves specifications like "there must be at least one title element but multiple title elements are allowed and it's then UA's responsability to determine which title is the best one". HOW ???
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# [10:22] <glazou> fortunately, CSS is better authored. Ahem.
# [10:22] * glazou hides
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# [10:22] <Ms2ger> I hope nobody uses Ahem in an ebook :)
# [10:23] <glazou> bwarf :-D
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# [10:23] <Ms2ger> And hey, CSS seems to be improving, at least :)
# [10:24] <glazou> can I quote that ? ;-)
# [10:24] <ewong> "And hey, CSS seems to be improving, at least :)" - Ms2ger
# [10:24] <ewong> glazou you're writing an ebook?
# [10:25] <glazou> an ebook authoring tool
# [10:25] <Ms2ger> Starting from a low enough point, it's easy to improve ;)
# [10:25] <glazou> Ms2ger: I was waiting for the countermeasure after the kind words :-)
# [10:25] <ewong> cool..
# [10:25] <ewong> glazou what's it called?
# [10:25] <glazou> BlueGriffon EPUB Edition
# [10:26] * glazou wrote only one book, the 1st book world-wide about css2
# [10:26] <smontagu> glazou: cool acronym
# [10:26] <ewong> glazou oh.. was thinking it might be called Grizelda
# [10:26] <glazou> why grizelda ?
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# [10:26] <ewong> glazou: dunno.. first name that popped into my mind...
# [10:26] <glazou> ROFL
# [10:27] <ewong> you mean I need to learn xhtml in order to author an ebook?
# [10:27] <Ms2ger> "Excuse me, Mr. Glazman... Why did you call this tool 'Grizelda'?"
# [10:27] <ewong> ;P
# [10:27] <Ms2ger> "Well, it was the first thing that popped into the head of some guy on IRC"
# [10:27] <glob> lol
# [10:27] * glazou laughs and laughs
# [10:28] <glazou> naming a product is considerably harder than naming a project...
# [10:28] <ewong> heh
# [10:28] * glazou is still proud of the name he found for inline editing in Gekco: Midas
# [10:28] <glazou> Gecko
# [10:29] <ewong> Gekco is also a nice name..
# [10:29] <glazou> but originally a quite disputed one...
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# [10:37] <ewong> understandably
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# [10:37] <ewong> glazou is your epub authoring app available now? or is it still in dev mode?
# [10:38] <glazou> the latter
# [10:38] <ewong> ok..
# [10:38] <glazou> I can already create/save/modify an epub natively w/o proprietary format, I'm working on the metadata now
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# [10:43] <AryehGregor> Could someone stop sending me Talos regression e-mails on every merge that includes a changeset of mine? "Changesets: ... * and 3534 more"
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# [10:47] <ewong> glazou is it a C++ 'thing'?
# [10:47] <ewong> where thing = project
# [10:47] <glazou> xulrunner-based + hacks + JS/XBL-based front-end
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# [10:47] <glazou> a regular xulrunner-based app
# [10:47] <ewong> for some reasons, the word "hacks" scare me... but XBL scares me more
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# [10:47] <glazou> lol
# [10:48] <ewong> glazou: private project?
# [10:48] <glazou> yes
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# [10:49] <ewong> ok..
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# [10:54] <darktrojan> bah
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# [10:55] <darktrojan> gmail y u no good at inline attachments
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# [11:03] <gaston> is there a bug open for 'mozilla, y u relink libxul.so even if i changed nothing' ?
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# [11:05] <glandium> gaston: there was one, and it was fixed
# [11:07] <gaston> two make runs links libxul twice here..
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# [11:09] <glandium> then you'll have to find why
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# [11:13] <gaston> a whole bunch of files seems rebuilt..
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# [11:16] <Optimizer> anyone knows about shorlander ?
# [11:16] <darktrojan> firebot, shorlander
# [11:16] <firebot> darktrojan: Sorry, I've no idea what 'shorlander' might be.
# [11:16] <darktrojan> nope, not even firebot :P
# [11:17] <Optimizer> don't tell me you don't know anyone named shorlander ?
# [11:17] <darktrojan> I do, what about him?
# [11:17] <Optimizer> when will he be back ?
# [11:17] <darktrojan> pass
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# [11:18] <glandium> gaston: accessibility?
# [11:18] <@smaug> Optimizer: he is somewhere in US
# [11:18] <@smaug> I think
# [11:19] <Optimizer> on holidays ?
# [11:19] <Optimizer> vacations ?
# [11:19] <@smaug> I mean, he lives somewhere in US
# [11:19] <Optimizer> I have not seen him come online since 5 days
# [11:20] <@smaug> Optimizer: send him email and ask
# [11:20] <Optimizer> his id ?
# [11:20] <@smaug> shorlander@mozilla.com
# [11:20] <Optimizer> thanks
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# [11:21] <gaston> glandium: compiling a list
# [11:21] <darktrojan> ooh, trees are quiet
# [11:22] <darktrojan> time to land stuff
# [11:22] <darktrojan> suppose I'd better put it on try first :/
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# [11:24] <Ms2ger> Yes
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# [11:26] <gaston> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1655971
# [11:26] <firebot> darktrojan: Ms2ger knew: everyone knows that! shorlander is Stephen Horlander, <http://www.stephenhorlander.com/>, shorlander@mozilla.com
# [11:27] <darktrojan> thanks firebot
# [11:27] <firebot> sure thing darktrojan
# [11:27] <glandium> gaston: i don't see any obvious reason for the files in e.g. layout/inspector/src
# [11:27] <Ms2ger> firebot, botsnack
# [11:27] <firebot> :)
# [11:27] * darktrojan calls firebot a tool
# [11:28] <@smaug> die nsIPrivateDOMEvent, die
# [11:28] <darktrojan> that's funny because firebot is a tool ah ha ha
# [11:28] <glandium> gaston: check with make -d -C objdir/layout/inspector/src inDeepTreeWalker.o
# [11:28] <gaston> oh on another make run only the ipc/chromium/src/base/message_pump_libevent.cc file is rebuilt
# [11:29] <gaston> right, "No need to remake target `inDeepTreeWalker.o'."
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# [11:30] <gaston> but it says the same if i do gmake -d -C ipc/chromium/ message_pump_libevent.o
# [11:31] <gaston> note that the first thing gmake does is removing most of dist/, is that expected?
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# [11:31] <glandium> gaston: yeah, that's expected
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# [11:31] <gaston> atm it's still linking, i'll retest if it succeeds building that damn webapprt/linux file
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# [11:36] <Optimizer> can one of you control what firebots says ?
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# [11:40] <darktrojan> Optimizer, we can tell firebot about stuff
# [11:40] <Optimizer> oh, he learns ?
# [11:40] <Optimizer> firebot, 2 + 2 = 3
# [11:40] <firebot> Optimizer: Sorry, I've no idea what '2 + 2 = 3' might be.
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# [11:42] <darktrojan> not so good on the maths
# [11:43] <Optimizer> firebot, Optimizer
# [11:43] <firebot> Optimizer: Sorry, I've no idea who you are.
# [11:43] <Optimizer> :D
# [11:43] <Cork> firebot: 2 + 2 is 3
# [11:43] <firebot> Cork: ok
# [11:43] <Cork> :)
# [11:43] <Optimizer> :D
# [11:43] <Optimizer> firebot, 2 + 2
# [11:43] <firebot> Optimizer: 2 + 2 is 3
# [11:44] <Optimizer> firebot, firebot
# [11:44] <firebot> Optimizer: firebot is at least 1.1x as good as sumobot
# [11:44] <Optimizer> firebot, sumobot
# [11:44] <firebot> Optimizer: Sumobot is the bot for sumo, obviously!
# [11:44] <darktrojan> firebot, gavinbot
# [11:44] <firebot> darktrojan: gavinbot is omniscient.
# [11:44] <Optimizer> firebot, format memory
# [11:44] <firebot> Optimizer: Sorry, I've no idea what 'format memory' might be.
# [11:45] * darktrojan wanders off
# [11:46] <Optimizer> this is fun
# [11:46] <ewong> 2+2 is 3??
# [11:46] <ewong> firebot 4 + 4
# [11:46] <firebot> ewong: Sorry, I've no idea what '4 + 4' might be.
# [11:48] <Optimizer> firebot: 4 + 4 is 7
# [11:48] <firebot> Optimizer: ok
# [11:48] <alexdmt> lol
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# [11:49] <AryehGregor> Why don't we have an nsINode::AsContent, like nsINode::AsElement?
# [11:49] <AryehGregor> It would be pretty handy sometimes.
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# [11:50] <glandium> firebot: 2 + 2 is 5
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# [11:50] <firebot> glandium: ok
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# [11:50] <glandium> don't teach him something wrong, come on
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# [11:51] <glandium> firebot: 6 * 9 is 42
# [11:51] <firebot> glandium: ok
# [11:51] <gaston> glandium: rechecked, only ipc/chromium/src/base/message_pump_libevent.cc is rebuild
# [11:51] <gaston> rebuilt
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# [11:52] <lahabana> hey just to make sure: when you set correctly the Ascent in reflow you don't need to implement getbaseline do I?
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# [11:52] <Optimizer> firebot, glandium is a Maths professor
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# [11:52] <firebot> Optimizer: But glandium is 'Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>'...
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# [11:52] <gaston> its mtime is from march, but the .deps/message_pump_libevent.pp file is from now
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# [11:53] <Optimizer> close the doors will ya
# [11:53] <gaston> i'll look in all those depending files which one has a more recent mtime
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# [11:58] <gaston> glandium: the only file regened under ipc/chromium/.deps is that message_pump_libevent.pp one , all the others are from my last configure run
# [11:59] <gaston> oh and i'm the only one seeing it probably because i build with an external libevent
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# [12:02] <glazou> do we have a uuid generator reachable from chrome JS?
# [12:02] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, patches welcome for AsContent() :)
# [12:02] <Ms2ger> glazou, we might have...
# [12:03] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, what about dom::Text? Even with no methods on it -- I'd like it just for type-checking.
# [12:03] * AryehGregor just saw some editor methods with MOZ_ASSERT(aNode->NodeType() == nsIDOMNode::TEXT_NODE)
# [12:03] <Ms2ger> Yes please :)
# [12:03] <Ms2ger> glazou, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIUUIDGenerator
# [12:03] <glazou> thanks Ms2ger
# [12:04] <gaston> glandium: which was the 'dont relink libxul twice' bug ?
# [12:04] <Ms2ger> Np
# [12:04] <gaston> glandium: ie which bug #, so i can file a followup
# [12:05] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, though, would that include CDATA? :)
# [12:05] <dao> smaug: sorry, I don't know what happened in bug 734015
# [12:05] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, how about we remove CDATA already? Then we won't have to think about it.
# [12:05] <Ms2ger> wfm!
# [12:06] <Ms2ger> I should dust off these patches
# [12:06] <@smaug> dao: that happens
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# [12:07] <Ms2ger> I'd like dom::DocumentType, but it would really only be used in a half dozen places
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# [12:09] <gaston> aha!
# [12:09] <gaston> gmake[6]: Entering directory `/usr/obj/m-c/ipc/chromium'
# [12:09] <gaston> /usr/obj/m-c/_virtualenv/bin/python /home/landry/src/mozilla-central/config/buildlist.py ../../config/final-link-libs chromium_s
# [12:09] <gaston> echo "#include <event.h>" > ../../dist/third_party/libevent/event.h
# [12:09] <gaston> that explains why its rebuilt..
# [12:14] <glandium> gaston: file an independent bug
# [12:15] <gaston> tahts what im doing, i just wanted the ref to that general 'dont relink libxul' bug
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# [12:16] <glandium> gaston: there's no such "general" bug, iirc
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# [12:16] <Mano> what's Andrew McCreight irc nick?
# [12:16] <gaston> okay
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# [12:17] <Ms2ger> Mano, mccr8
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# [12:19] <Mano> Ms2ger: thanks
# [12:19] <Ms2ger> Np
# [12:19] <Mano> mak: so, that warning...
# [12:19] <Mano> mak: looks like it's intentional, but i have no idea what it's about.
# [12:22] <cers> anybody knows what it means when I get yasm: FATAL: unrecognized debug format `/home/cers/mozilla-central/media/libvpx/vp8/common/x86/dequantize_mmx.asm'?
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# [12:23] <AryehGregor> Is there any way to synthesizeKey in a crashtest?
# [12:23] <Ms2ger> I don't think so
# [12:23] <AryehGregor> So what's a good way to test https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757771 ?
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# [12:40] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, is there any sane reason why nsEditor::GetTypedSelection should ever return null? If not, can we make it infallible somehow? There seem to be about a million failure paths, but I'm not sure how many of them are actually reachable.
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# [12:43] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, I think it can return null if someone holds on to the editor after the document went away
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# [12:47] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, is it legitimate for anyone to do that?
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# [12:48] <Ms2ger> We probably need to not crash in that case
# [12:49] <Ms2ger> Though I'd certainly be happy to be wrong :)
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# [13:05] <mounir> Ms2ger: ping
# [13:05] <Ms2ger> Ack
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# [13:05] <mounir> Ms2ger: I'm having a look at bug 760848
# [13:05] <mounir> seems like IE has our behavior
# [13:05] <mounir> I mean, we have IE behavior ;)
# [13:06] <mounir> at least ie 8
# [13:06] <mounir> checking for 9
# [13:06] * Ms2ger fires up 1°
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> 10, even
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# [13:06] <mounir> Ms2ger: http://oldworld.fr/mozilla/select-size.html
# [13:07] <mounir> IE6 might be interesting actually
# [13:07] <mounir> Ms2ger: seems like IE6 has the same behavior
# [13:07] <Ms2ger> OK/OK/NO
# [13:08] <mounir> yep. that's like us
# [13:08] <mounir> Webkit and Presto have OK/OK/OK
# [13:08] <mounir> we have OK/OK/NO
# [13:09] <Ms2ger> Want to file on Hixie? :)
# [13:09] <mounir> hmmm
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# [13:09] <mounir> Firefox 3.6 and above was OK/OK/NO
# [13:09] <mounir> and Webkit and Presto have that too
# [13:10] <mounir> I wonder if we shouldn't just change and hope IE will too
# [13:10] <mounir> doesn't look like web incompatible
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# [13:11] <mounir> Ms2ger: what's your opinien?
# [13:11] <mounir> opinion, even
# [13:11] <Ms2ger> Wait
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> You mean Fx3.6 had OK/OK/OK?
# [13:12] <mounir> Ms2ger: yes
# [13:12] <mounir> Ms2ger: Firefox 4 had OK/NO/NO
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# [13:12] <Ms2ger> Because that's not what you said :)
# [13:12] <mounir> we saw that was web incompatible saw we move to OK/OK/NO
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> Matching the spec works for me
# [13:13] <mounir> Firefox 3.6 and before I meant
# [13:13] <mounir> not above
# [13:13] <mounir> anyhow
# [13:14] <Ms2ger> You did your best to confuse me with that line ;)
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# [13:16] <Ms2ger> A real Frenchman :)
# [13:18] <glazou> with croissants ?
# [13:18] <Ms2ger> Ooh, I'd like that :)
# [13:24] <glandium> Ms2ger: did you file that bug for the lack of namespace for Scope ?
# [13:24] <Ms2ger> Someone did, IIRC
# [13:24] <jtcranmer> are we talking about a/s/l?
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# [13:28] <Ms2ger> \o/
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# [13:55] <darktrojan> "Google Mozilla Firefox is my yahoo email browser."
# [13:55] <darktrojan> wat
# [13:56] <glandium> darktrojan: nice
# [13:56] <Ms2ger> I was trying for a silly response to that, but I failed to invent something more ludicrous
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# [14:00] <zzzzz> 2,679,128 B (01.29%) -- compartment([System Principal], jar:file:///J:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Nightly/omni.ja!/components/ConsoleAPI.js)
# [14:01] <Ms2ger> Looks like window.console
# [14:02] <zzzzz> is that supposed to there ?
# [14:03] <zzzzz> to be there
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# [14:03] <Ms2ger> I reckon so
# [14:04] <Ms2ger> Dammit
# [14:04] <Ms2ger> How did I get the reputation of being an XPConnect hackker?
# [14:04] <glandium> Ms2ger: aren't you?
# [14:04] <glandium> :)
# [14:04] <Ms2ger> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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# [14:09] <zzzzz> Ms2ger: http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
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# [14:20] <darktrojan> wait, when did we start PGO'ing everything on inbound?
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# [14:20] <Ms2ger> It's just a slow day, no?
# [14:21] <darktrojan> oh could be
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# [14:35] <darktrojan> anyone planning to merge m-i to m-c soon?
# [14:35] <Ms2ger> You are
# [14:36] <darktrojan> I may just do that
# [14:37] <darktrojan> not that I have ever done so before, or actually know how
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# [14:38] <Ms2ger> hg pull -u m-c
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> hg pull -u m-i
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> hg merge
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> Cross fingers
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> hg comm -m "Merge m-i to m-c"
# [14:38] <gaston> hg blow-universe
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> hg push m-c
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# [14:45] <darktrojan> okay
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# [14:47] <Ms2ger> So, the rpm nightly
# [14:47] <darktrojan> yeah
# [14:47] <darktrojan> :/
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# [14:47] <darktrojan> also my tree is a mess, maybe I won't
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# [14:48] <jfkthame> "/bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `)'"
# [14:49] <jfkthame> sure sounds like something's broken
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# [14:53] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk#902
# [14:53] <lahabana> hey do you know how I should fix the GetMinWidth for textarea and inputs
# [14:54] <lahabana> I can't just return pref width cause that way top bars get ugly when the window is resized
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# [14:56] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, commented in the bug, I don't know of people who care about the rpms
# [14:56] <darktrojan> we could just fix it
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# [14:59] <Ms2ger> I guess nobody cares about the test-pos-fixed-transform.html failure on android
# [14:59] <darktrojan> doubt it
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# [15:00] <darktrojan> I can push this merge now, can't I Ms2ger
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# [15:00] <Ms2ger> Just a bit of Android red, so dure
# [15:00] <Ms2ger> sure*
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# [15:02] <darktrojan> oh damn I wasn't going to use the tip of m-i
# [15:02] <darktrojan> too late now I guess
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> !summon jmaher|afk
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> You can strip and remerge
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> Not anymore now
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# [15:04] <glandium> Ms2ger: did you read or were your thinking "type inference" shortly before? Because you sure got me read "type inference" in there by mentioning it
# [15:05] <glandium> +grammar fixes
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# [15:08] <jmaher|afk> Ms2ger: ?
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# [15:12] <blassey> is it possible to get the minidump off a tegra?
# [15:14] <glandium> blassey: try asking on #build (imho, it would be useful to store all minidump from all platforms we get during build/tests)
# [15:14] <jmaher> blassey: there really isn't
# [15:14] <jmaher> it should print out the info in the log file
# [15:15] <jmaher> blassey: like this: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12373036&tree=Try#error0
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# [15:16] <blassey> jmaher: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12381639&tree=Try&full=1#error0
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# [15:16] <blassey> so, its a java crash
# [15:16] <blassey> is the logcat in the log?
# [15:16] <jmaher> blassey: no
# [15:17] <jmaher> do you need more information that the crash dump walk?
# [15:17] <blassey> I need the java stack
# [15:17] <blassey> which is in the logcat
# [15:17] <blassey> or the crash report's annotation
# [15:17] <blassey> oh, the log is here
# [15:17] <blassey> found it
# [15:18] <jmaher> phew
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# [15:18] <jmaher> blassey: I do have some work done towards getting more relevant logcat info, but it still needs work
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# [15:20] <jmaher> blassey: interesting, that is the same crash signature that I see on all my stuff, could be one problem will solve a lot of mine as well
# [15:20] <Ms2ger> jmaher, you know what would be fun?
# [15:20] <blassey> jmaher: you're seeing the buffer limit exception?
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# [15:20] <blassey> or reportJavaCrash?
# [15:20] <jmaher> blassey: yeah
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# [15:21] <Ms2ger> If tbpl actually told me about the exceptions devicemanagerSUT.py throws, rather than making me grovel though the log
# [15:21] <jmaher> blassey: err, the badmemory thing
# [15:21] <blassey> oh
# [15:21] <blassey> badmemory is a generic crash
# [15:21] <jmaher> Ms2ger: that would be cool
# [15:21] <jmaher> blassey: oh :(
# [15:21] <@smaug> odd, some new code #includes nsIPrivateDOMEvent but doesn't actually use it
# [15:21] <blassey> what's after that
# [15:21] <jmaher> then feel free to ignore me
# [15:21] <Ms2ger> jmaher, relatedly, do you have a bug number for https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12380644&tree=Firefox ?
# [15:22] <jmaher> blassey: whatever is in this log: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12373036&tree=Try#error0
# [15:22] <jmaher> I have seen a lot of stuff like that while trying to get reftests going
# [15:22] <jmaher> all related to layout/* tests
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# [15:23] <isemenov> hello guys
# [15:23] <isemenov> I'm trying to build firefox on linux 64 bit
# [15:23] <isemenov> I issue
# [15:24] <isemenov> make -j9 -f client.mk
# [15:24] <isemenov> but there is only 1 c++ process running
# [15:24] <isemenov> how do I enable parallel build?
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# [15:24] <blassey> jmaher: you have a java crash
# [15:24] <Ms2ger> I've only managed to make -j work when building from my objdir
# [15:25] <isemenov> what's "buidling from your own objdir"?
# [15:25] <froydnj_> isemenov: you need to put the -jN in your .mozconfig
# [15:25] <Ms2ger> Oh, that would work too
# [15:25] <blassey> jmaher: search for "REPORTING UNCAUGHT EXCEPTION FROM THREAD"
# [15:25] <@smaug> isemenov: add mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-j9" to .mozconfig
# [15:25] <jmaher> blassey: cool
# [15:25] <isemenov> froydnj_: what's the complete syntax please?
# [15:25] <jmaher> I will keep an eye out for that
# [15:25] <blassey> https://gist.github.com/f70f2b977c82b51d44b7
# [15:25] <isemenov> smaug: thank you, will try
# [15:26] <blassey> jmaher: fwiw... the patch I just pushed to try may fix that
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# [15:27] <isemenov> froydnj_: smaugok, it works indeed. thank you for the fast reply!
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# [15:33] <darktrojan> someone mark https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759719 fixed for me please
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# [15:38] <NeilAway> smaug: hmm, at least with pymake, it works with -jN and -f client.mk at the same time
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# [15:39] <darktrojan> bsmedberg, ping?
# [15:39] <@bsmedberg> darktrojan: pong
# [15:39] <NeilAway> darktrojan: hmm, the person who pushed that didn't record the m-i url in the bug
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# [15:39] <darktrojan> bsmedberg, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749930 is ready to land, just need a rubber stamp on the last few bits
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# [15:40] <NeilAway> darktrojan: did you want any particular comment?
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# [15:40] <darktrojan> NeilAway, https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0a4ce45a4d40
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# [15:41] <NeilAway> darktrojan: done
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# [15:44] <darktrojan> actually bsmedberg, no rush, I should leave this until tomorrow
# [15:44] <darktrojan> don't fancy watching trees all night
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# [15:50] <isemenov> hello once again
# [15:50] <isemenov> when running make install, I'm getting this error
# [15:50] <isemenov> http://paste.kde.org/493502/
# [15:50] <darktrojan> thanks bsmedberg, hopefully there's no more bitrot
# [15:50] <isemenov> this is for aurora-src checkout
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# [15:51] <Ms2ger> isemenov, yeah
# [15:51] <Ms2ger> Just a minute
# [15:51] <Ms2ger> isemenov, remove the final ) at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk#902
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# [15:54] <isemenov> Ms2ger: ok, this one worked
# [15:54] <isemenov> there is one more
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# [15:54] <isemenov> Ms2ger: http://paste.kde.org/493508/
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# [15:54] <isemenov> don't forget to commit the fxes
# [15:55] <darktrojan> hah, that's a great error ^
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# [15:56] <darktrojan> give it something in dist/sdk to rm, and it should continue
# [15:56] <jfkthame> how about using "find …….. -delete" instead of the | xargs rm ?
# [15:56] <gaston> rm -f wouldnt have complained :)
# [15:56] <isemenov> darktrojan: that's a quick hack - you need to commit the nice fix though
# [15:56] <jfkthame> true
# [15:57] <isemenov> where is the script located?
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# [15:58] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ping
# [15:58] <bbondy> hey
# [15:58] <gaston> jfkthame: find -delete is a gnu extension i'm afraid, hence not standard
# [15:59] <darktrojan> this looks like it http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/a7a905fd70d5/toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk#l925
# [15:59] <darktrojan> glandium, ^
# [15:59] <jfkthame> gaston: oh, is it? sigh.
# [15:59] <ejpbruel> bbondy: where do we stand with this clipboard patch? :)
# [15:59] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i wanted to address your review comments today but remembered you still need to confirm if it works in word
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# [16:00] <bbondy> ejpbruel: Last we talked a couple days ago you said you would have new patches that I could look at in tomorrow's morning.
# [16:00] <mreid> how about "find ... -exec rm {}"
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# [16:00] <bbondy> So I was waiting for those, but there were no new patches.
# [16:00] <ejpbruel> bbondy: right, fair enough
# [16:00] <ejpbruel> bbondy: sorry about that, i got caught up doing other stuff :(
# [16:01] <ejpbruel> bbondy: should have communicated that at least
# [16:01] <bbondy> so do the review comments and re-request review, then I'll look at them again :)
# [16:01] <ejpbruel> bbondy: sure
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# [16:01] <bbondy> "should have communicated that at least" do you mean I should have or you should have?
# [16:01] <glandium> mreid: that's going to be slow on windows
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# [16:02] <mreid> glandium, slower than xargs rm?
# [16:02] <glandium> mreid: yes
# [16:02] <mreid> weird :-/
# [16:02] <glandium> mreid: it needs to fork rm for each match
# [16:02] <mreid> ahh, makes sense
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# [16:03] <bbondy> ejpbruel ^
# [16:04] <glandium> using xargs rm -f would probably do
# [16:04] <gaston> just add -f
# [16:04] <gaston> it doesnt complain if theres no args
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# [16:06] <mreid> I updated from mozilla-central this morning and now get this build error: http://mreid.pastebin.mozilla.org/1656138 What should I do?
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# [16:08] <ddahl> when i search mxr for a function that takes a char* and returns a hex-encoded string I only see: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/chromium/src/base/string_util.cc#1650 - do we have something like this?
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# [16:08] <@smaug> die nsIPrivateDOMEvent, die
# [16:08] <ejpbruel> bbondy: me, of course
# [16:09] <ejpbruel> bbondy: not very nice of me when i tell you i will have patches and then go silent
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# [16:09] <@smaug> ddahl: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/string/public/nsPrintfCString.h perhaps
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# [16:11] <@smaug> ddahl: though, not sure what you want
# [16:11] <@smaug> ah, hmm
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# [16:12] <ddahl> smaug: that looks good. I need to return a AUTF8String hex encoded from a property on an interface
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# [16:12] <ddahl> the raw material is the char* in a SECItem
# [16:12] <@smaug> odd interface
# [16:12] <ddahl> smaug: indeed
# [16:12] <@smaug> ddahl: perhaps you could use nsCString::AppendPrintf()
# [16:13] <@smaug> hmm
# [16:13] <@smaug> it would add some prefix
# [16:13] <ddahl> smaug: this sounds good
# [16:13] <ddahl> oh?
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# [16:13] <Ms2ger> 0x?
# [16:13] <@smaug> I mean the same way as printf
# [16:14] <@smaug> I don't recall if there is some option to remove 0x
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# [16:16] <glandium> mreid: remove objdir/toolkit/library/.deps/libs
# [16:16] <ddahl> I suppose I can use nsPrintfCString like: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/canvas/src/nsCanvasRenderingContext2DAzure.cpp#1117
# [16:17] <mreid> glandium, thank you
# [16:17] <glandium> ddahl: we have new stuff in mfbt for double conversion
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# [16:17] <Ms2ger> glandium, read up ;)
# [16:18] <glandium> Ms2ger: i see nothing mentioning mfbt
# [16:18] <Ms2ger> And I see nothing mentioning doubles :)
# [16:18] <decoder> do we use other memory poisoning patterns than 0xdada and 0xdbdb ?
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# [16:19] <Ms2ger> decoder, a5, I think
# [16:19] <glandium> Ms2ger: oh my. i think i'm getting tired. and it's only tuesday
# [16:19] <glandium> decoder: deadbeef ?
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# [16:19] <gaston> fun, gmake works, gmake -d explodes under nss
# [16:20] <decoder> glandium: havent seen that anywhere for quite a long time. but ill include it :)
# [16:20] <ddahl> glandium: looking
# [16:20] <gaston> gmake[7]: Entering directory `/home/landry/src/mozilla-central/security/nss/lib/nss'
# [16:20] <gaston> ../../../coreconf/rules.mk:316: *** multiple target patterns. Stop.
# [16:20] <decoder> Ms2ger: I remember something like fe as well, could that be? not sure if it was firefox
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# [16:21] <glandium> decoder: it's used in jsscript.cpp, and other places
# [16:21] <Ms2ger> decoder, I wouldn't have seen it elsewhere ;)
# [16:21] <decoder> ok :D
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# [16:25] <gcp> Is it possible to not get CC'ed on a bug you reported?
# [16:25] <Ms2ger> No
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# [16:26] <Ms2ger> Well, you don't technically end up on the CC list when you report the bug
# [16:26] <Ms2ger> So you can change your email prefs to get less email
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# [16:27] <gcp> yeah but that's not per bug
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [16:28] <gcp> it's one of these "please clean up this pile of shit" bugs
# [16:29] <gcp> I'd rather not be associated with it, lest anyone have the idea to assign me to it.
# [16:29] <glandium> gcp: i was about to ask if you were the one who filed the mng bug :)
# [16:29] <glandium> or the col styling bug
# [16:30] <gcp> I have the right to speak to an attorney.
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# [16:38] <khuey> ugh
# [16:38] <khuey> I'm going to get a hundred join me on rypple emails today aren't I?
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# [16:39] <bbondy> heh
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# [16:42] <froydnj_> khuey: just stop working with people
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# [16:42] <khuey> somedays I wish I could
# [16:43] <jcranmer> you antisocial... uh....
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# [16:44] <khuey> yeah pretty much
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# [16:46] <glandium> khuey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t0affoV5rI
# [16:47] <glandium> (the original french version is better, though)
# [16:49] <glazou> omg...
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# [16:54] <froydnj_> why in the world am I rebuilding all these .cpp files when I only modified one of them?
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# [16:56] <gcp> khuey: rypple? no rypple, no problem: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/32496746/rypple.png
# [16:56] <gcp> sucks for all of you that were hoping for a bonus, though
# [16:57] <khuey> heh
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# [16:59] <@smaug> better be a contractor, no hope for bonuses :)
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# [17:03] <gcp> smaug: I was thinking the same, but the person who approves my invoices likes Rypple.
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# [17:06] <gaston> i didnt know rypple before now but the homepage blurb is....
# [17:06] <gaston> Today's workplace requires a new approach to performance management. Rypple is a web-based social performance management platform that helps companies improve performance through social goals, continuous feedback and meaningful recognition
# [17:06] <gaston> so much buzzwords!
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# [17:20] <wlach> gah, I just pushed to inbound without editing my commit message to contain an r=. Is there anything I can do?
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# [17:28] <@bz> or is it pike?
# [17:29] <@bz> ah, nevermind
# [17:29] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ping
# [17:30] <bbondy> ejpbruel: what's up
# [17:30] <ejpbruel> bbondy: about bug 460969
# [17:30] <ejpbruel> you commented: It would be better to use the biefields mask here no?
# [17:30] <ejpbruel> i assume you mean the bih color masks?
# [17:30] <@bz> ok
# [17:30] <@bz> new question
# [17:30] <bbondy> right
# [17:30] <ejpbruel> bbondy: those are only there if we have a v5 header ofc, shall i put that in an if else?
# [17:30] <@bz> anyone here familiar with xpconnect? ;)
# [17:31] <ejpbruel> bz: a little
# [17:31] <glandium> bz: Ms2ger /o\
# [17:31] <ejpbruel> bz: and gabor, bholley and mbrkap ofc
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# [17:31] <bholley> bz: what's up/
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# [17:33] <@bz> so I have an XPCWrappedNative
# [17:33] <bbondy> ejpbruel: I was thinking ALPHABITFIELDS but I don't know if we properly support that at all, so ya elseif sounds good
# [17:33] <@bz> for which HasProto() returns false
# [17:33] <@bz> this is a NoHelper kind of native
# [17:33] <@bz> is that expected?
# [17:33] <bholley> bz: yeah
# [17:33] <@bz> ok
# [17:33] <bholley> bz: HasProto is only for things with classinfo
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# [17:33] <@bz> it makes performance totally sadfaces....
# [17:33] <bholley> bz: XPCWrappedNativeProtos, that is
# [17:33] <ejpbruel> bbondy: so, use the bih masks if header version >= 5, otherwise use this code as is?
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# [17:34] <bbondy> yup
# [17:34] <bbondy> I think so
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# [17:34] <bholley> bz: though I'm not sure, maybe NoHelper can have a proto
# [17:34] <bholley> bz: but it can definitely not have a proto
# [17:34] <@bz> right
# [17:34] <jlebar> jrmuizel, thanks.
# [17:34] <@bz> I understand that "no proto" can happen
# [17:35] <@bz> what I'm trying to understand is whether and how I can avoid it happening in this case
# [17:35] <espindola> ehsan: the dromaeo_css test in talus
# [17:35] <espindola> is the same thing as http://dromaeo.com/?css ?
# [17:35] <@bz> because once you're in the "no proto" case, property gets blow
# [17:35] <@bz> In this case, just walking the stack via .caller on nsIStackFrame objects blows
# [17:35] <@ehsan> espindola: I'd say no to be safe :)
# [17:36] <@ehsan> espindola: you want to download the standalone talos suite
# [17:36] <@bz> where "blows" is defined as "takes about 50us to walk the stack"
# [17:36] <@bz> which is admittedly not too blowy
# [17:36] <espindola> ehsan: but in there, how do I map the talus names to which test to run?
# [17:37] <ejpbruel> bbondy: oh i see, we can get the color masks from the v5 header OR from the bmiColors field, depending on the header version (in the latter case, we'd have to assume that the alpha mask is a fixed value)
# [17:37] <ejpbruel> would that work?
# [17:37] <Pike> anyone with permissions on irc.m.o here that can op me on #elmo? I'd like to get chanserv to help
# [17:37] <@ehsan> espindola: the test files are in talos/page_load_test/dromaeo
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# [17:37] <@ehsan> espindola: (see the css.manifest file there)
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# [17:38] <Ms2ger> Pike, that would be the ircops
# [17:38] <espindola> in which repository?
# [17:38] <dumitru> hello
# [17:38] <dumitru> Pike: Ms2ger : what do you need?
# [17:38] <Ms2ger> Hi dumitru :)
# [17:38] <Ms2ger> Pike> anyone with permissions on irc.m.o here that can op me on #elmo? I'd like to get chanserv to help
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# [17:38] <dumitru> okay, I'll handle
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# [17:38] <Ms2ger> Thanksç
# [17:38] <Ms2ger> !*
# [17:39] <@ehsan> espindola: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/talos/
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# [17:40] <WeirdAl> Ummm... shouldn't that FF beta tag have been 14.0 beta 1, not beta 6?
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# [17:41] <espindola> thanks
# [17:41] * WeirdAl bets he's not the first to mention that
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# [17:46] <glandium> WeirdAl: this is to synchronize with mobile firefox beta numbers
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# [17:47] <WeirdAl> oookay
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# [17:52] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ping
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# [17:52] <bbondy> ejpbruel: pong
# [17:52] <ejpbruel> bbondy: so we pass a BITMAPINFO struct to ConvertColorBitMap, which contains a BITMAPINFOHEADER and a colors field
# [17:52] <GPHemsley> bsmedberg, Mossop: Could either of you offer guidance on bug 525494?
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# [17:52] <ejpbruel> bbondy: but if the header is really a v5 header its masks overlap with the colors field
# [17:53] <ejpbruel> bbondy: so this code should work as is with the exception of the alpha channel
# [17:53] <@bsmedberg> GPHemsley: I think that Pike is probably the person to provide feedback
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# [17:55] <ejpbruel> bbondy: what i could do is add a check for the header version in the code where we assign the colorMasks (line 329), and if its v5, read out the alpha mask, otherwise default it to 0xFF000000
# [17:55] <GPHemsley> bsmedberg: Do you know at least where the code might go in m-c?
# [17:55] <ejpbruel> would that work for you?
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# [17:56] <bbondy> ejpbruel: We can do this in a fileup if you file instead
# [17:56] <@bsmedberg> GPHemsley: intl/locale maybe? No, smontagu might have an opinion
# [17:56] <ejpbruel> bbondy: fileup?
# [17:56] <bbondy> since it didn't handle transparency to begin with
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# [17:56] <bbondy> followup
# [17:56] <bbondy> :)
# [17:56] <GPHemsley> bsmedberg: Alright, thanks.
# [17:56] <ejpbruel> bbondy: oh, ok, so leave it as is for this patch?
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# [17:57] <bbondy> ejpbruel: Ya just post a dependency with a new bug that describes the task
# [17:57] <ejpbruel> bbondy: will do, then i only have to fix the part where we assume that we always have 32 bpp on the clipboard
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# [17:58] <bbondy> ejpbruel: ya think so, then I'll do another pass
# [17:58] <bbondy> but pls post a new bug
# [17:58] <ejpbruel> fair enough
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# [17:59] <bbondy> you're too hard on yourself :)
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# [18:14] <@smaug> Ms2ger: thanks
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# [18:14] <@smaug> apparently the patch doesn't compile on OSX
# [18:14] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [18:18] <gcp> can hg blame a file across merges/renames?
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# [18:19] <@bz> gcp: yes
# [18:19] <Ms2ger> -ish
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# [18:19] <Ms2ger> (I guess blame actually works)
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# [18:20] <Jesse> some hg commands require "--follow" for that, but iirc blame just works
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# [18:20] <Asa> It's 10 years since we shipped Mozilla 1.0 today
# [18:20] <gcp> hmm, it stops at a project tree merge
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# [18:21] <Daeken> wow. i remember running mozilla for the first time, not long after the first release. can't believe it's been 10 years.
# [18:22] <Philip> Asa: Will it be celebrated by a giant flotilla?
# [18:22] <Asa> we won't celebrate.
# [18:22] <Asa> I doubt anyone but me even noticed
# [18:22] <Asa> I notice because I shipped it on my birthday :)
# [18:22] <Waldo> heh
# [18:23] <Waldo> happy birthday! to both of you!
# [18:23] <Asa> thanks
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# [18:23] <@bz> gcp: stops in what sense?
# [18:23] <@bz> gcp: you're using hg annotate?
# [18:24] <gcp> hg blame
# [18:25] <gcp> which is an alias, it seems
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# [18:25] <Waldo> ted: so, right now MOZ_ASSERT is defined as raise(SIGABRT) on Linux; will it work for breakpad if I added |*((volatile int *) NULL) = 123;| to it? this would mean every platform's implementation would stop in debuggers parked on the line that contains the assertion, rather than in some nested method call
# [18:25] <froydnj_> I'm excited about stuff in my inbox...and then I see it's from rypple
# [18:25] <@bz> gcp: so your real issue is that "blame" is hard if two things both change a line and then get merged
# [18:25] <@bz> gcp: but you can explicitly "hg blame -r NNNN" on the two parents of the merge
# [18:25] <@bz> gcp: to see where those came from
# [18:26] <ted> Waldo: that should work fine
# [18:26] <ted> raise(SIGABRT) is known to not work right on android
# [18:26] <ted> probably works okay on desktop linux
# [18:26] <ted> Waldo: the best place to reference is mozalloc_abort
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# [18:26] <ted> that stuff definitely works
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# [18:27] <Waldo> we should make that use MOZ_CRASH(), then
# [18:27] <Waldo> so there's only one thing doing it
# [18:27] <ted> that would be A-OK with me
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# [18:27] <ted> also crash-stats has the right signature generation voodoo to handle mozalloc_abort
# [18:28] <Waldo> ugh, yes, mozalloc_abort looks a ton like expanded MOZ_CRASH()
# [18:28] <ted> Waldo: reinventing the wheel, the mozilla specialty
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# [18:29] <froydnj_> ted: but it's a *really* shiny wheel
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# [18:30] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: please add a test to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/crashreporter/test/unit/test_crash_runtimeabort.js also
# [18:30] <ted> Waldo: it'd probably be fine to use MOZ_CRASH In mozalloc_abort
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# [18:30] <@bsmedberg> well, copying and modifying that
# [18:30] <ted> assuming we sync up the implementations to do the right thing
# [18:30] <Ms2ger> And let's get rid of MOZ_Assert!
# [18:30] <Waldo> yeah, I need to do that
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# [18:31] <Ms2ger> And NS_RUNTIMEABORT?
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# [18:31] <@bsmedberg> have we decided in principle to get rid of all the NS_ things?
# [18:32] <Ms2ger> Dunno
# [18:32] <Ms2ger> Does it count if I decided so on my own? ;)
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# [18:34] <unkn-error> I am wondering, if my make.conf is fine for compiling ff
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# [18:34] <unkn-error> can someone take a look over it?
# [18:34] <unkn-error> http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie/9632
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# [18:36] <gaston> unkn-error: ask your distro maintainer ? :)
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# [18:37] <@smaug> hmm, did I implement anything interesting for FF13
# [18:37] <Waldo> froydnj_: working corruption of the blood of the old one at the same time is acceptable, I think
# [18:37] * Waldo issues a bill of attainder against NS_ABORT_IF_FALSE
# [18:37] <@bz> smaug: bugzilla to the rescue?
# [18:37] <unkn-error> hm
# [18:37] <@bz> fx13 was like months ago....
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# [18:38] <mbrubeck> Why no nightly update on desktop Linux today? Is it because of the broken RPM nightly builds?
# [18:38] <@smaug> fx13 is old stuff. that is why I don't remember what I did
# [18:38] <mbrubeck> (I know we throttle Aurora updates after merge day, but that doesn't usually apply to Nightly)
# [18:39] <Ms2ger> mbrubeck, I don't think you should be on rpms
# [18:39] <mbrubeck> Ms2ger: I'm definitely not, but I'm on yesterday's m-c nightly and I'm not getting an update.
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# [18:39] <mbrubeck> smaug: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/13.0/releasenotes/buglist.html :)
# [18:39] <@smaug> mbrubeck: going through that right now
# [18:40] <@smaug> looks like some CC optimizations
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# [18:44] <@bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=3313616;resolution=FIXED;emailtype1=exact;emailassigned_to1=1;query_format=advanced;email1=bugs%40pettay.fi;target_milestone=mozilla13
# [18:44] <@bz> smaug: ^
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# [18:48] <@smaug> that is not much
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# [18:48] <@smaug> lazy me
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# [18:51] <@bz> smaug: you should look at your review lists too... ;)
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# [18:51] <Waldo> let he who is without sin...
# [18:51] <Waldo> ;-)
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# [18:52] <@smaug> fun parts were in Fx12, and other stuff in Fx14
# [18:52] <@bz> my point being that smaug does a lot of reviews
# [18:52] <mbrubeck> smaug: There are probably more since you don't always set the milestone field: http://bugzil.la/ALL+@pettay.fi+target:---
# [18:53] <@smaug> perhaps I should start to use milestone
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# [18:53] <mbrubeck> smaug: If you use inbound we will set it for you. :)
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# [18:58] <glandium> mbrubeck: it would be so much better if hg hooks did that
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# [19:00] <mbrubeck> glandium: I think edmorley is working on some automation for that (and for the rest of the merge/landing process)
# [19:00] <froydnj_> edmorley++
# [19:01] <glandium> edmorley-- because he's on vacation for his queen jubilee
# [19:01] <froydnj_> queen--?
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# [19:01] <mbrubeck> we laugh at your --
# [19:02] <froydnj_> queenmozilla16?
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# [19:03] <jfkthame> to save me some digging around - what's the easiest way to get access to the current profile (from c++ code)?
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# [19:05] <glandium> jfkthame: NS_GetSpecialDirectory(NS_APP_USER_PROFILE_50_DIR, aResult);
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# [19:05] <nemo> *sigh* I wish javascript regex had \u and \l :(
# [19:05] <jfkthame> glandium: thanks
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# [19:06] <glandium> jfkthame: with a getter_AddRefs, obviously
# [19:06] <nemo> Changing a sentence containing ALLUPPERCASE to CamelCase involves way more split/join/toLowerCase fragility than a simple regex should require
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# [19:06] <nemo> hrm. I guess I'd be fine w/ the ability to execute a function call in replace() - maybe I can
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# [19:07] <nemo> yay. I can
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# [19:14] <@bz> ../../../mozilla/gfx/thebes/gfxPlatformGtk.cpp:742: error: 'gfxFont::FontType' is not a class or namespace
# [19:15] <@bz> wtf?
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# [19:15] <Ms2ger> bz, it is an enum and your compiler doesn't like C++0x?
# [19:15] <@bz> this is during a bisect from a while ago, but I'm pretty sure that this compiled on tinderbox....
# [19:15] <@bz> hmm
# [19:16] <@bz> compiler is gcc 4.4
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# [19:16] <@bz> FontType is an enum, yes
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# [19:16] <@bz> do we not support 4.4 anymore?
# [19:17] <@bsmedberg> ted: have you been involved with bug 627699? There's a bunch of patches in there which change
# [19:17] * @bz does opt build to avoid the problem
# [19:17] <@bsmedberg> #ifdef MOZ_WIDGET_GTK2
# [19:17] <@bsmedberg> into #if defined(MOZ_WIDGET_GTK2) || defined(MOZ_WIDGET_GTK3)
# [19:17] <@bsmedberg> which feels wrong to me!
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# [19:18] <@bz> PDF.JS Build: 5ac7513
# [19:18] <@bz> Message: unrecognized color space object: "undefined"
# [19:18] <@bz> Stack: error@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:528
# [19:18] <@bz> ColorSpace_parseToIR@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:11854
# [19:18] <@bz> ColorSpace_parse@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:11719
# [19:18] <@bz> JpegStream_isNativelySupported@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:27826
# [19:18] <@bz> buildPaintImageXObject@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:13105
# [19:19] <@bz> PartialEvaluator_getOperatorList@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:13238
# [19:19] <@bz> Page_getOperatorList@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:183
# [19:19] <@bz> wphSetupRenderPage@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:29426
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# [19:19] <@bz> messageHandlerComObjOnMessage@blob:21274778-da93-8d4e-bc3d-e64c08e0b1ba:29310
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# [19:19] <@bz> is this something to file?
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# [19:19] <yury> bz: yes please
# [19:19] <bdahl> bz: yes please, github or bugzilla PDF Viewer component
# [19:19] <bdahl> :)
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# [19:20] <sierk> Sorry for a short discruption. Question: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/14.0b6-candidates/ , ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/candidates/14.0b6-candidates/ mistake or intent? I mean: 14.0b6? Beta 6? _Not_ Beta 1? Thanks for a short clarifikation.
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# [19:20] <@bz> bdahl: which product is that in?
# [19:20] <Standard8> sierk: intent
# [19:21] <bdahl> bz: firefox
# [19:21] <@bz> bdahl: there's the side issue that I can't easily provide the PDF.....
# [19:21] <sierk> Standard8: And why?
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# [19:21] <Standard8> sierk: fennec is using b1 - 5
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# [19:21] <bdahl> bz: stack trace looks similar to https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/issues/1419
# [19:22] <sierk> Standard8: Ah. OK. So Firefox 14 will range from Beta 6 to Beta 12?
# [19:22] <Standard8> sierk: something like that
# [19:22] <sierk> Standard8: OK. Thanks a lot.
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# [19:24] <ted> bsmedberg: can't say i have
# [19:24] <ted> bsmedberg: i agree, that sounds icky
# [19:24] <ted> bsmedberg: seems like we ought to just make a MOZ_WIDGET_GTK define
# [19:24] <ted> since i'm pretty sure we don't support GTK1
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# [19:25] <ted> bsmedberg: looks like roc alraedy suggested that in comment 151
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# [19:31] <@bz> bdahl: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761692
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# [19:31] <@bz> wtf?
# [19:32] * @bz is still trying to build, now getting failures on char16_t?
# [19:32] <@bz> ../../../dist/include/nsStaticAtom.h:15: error: 'char16_t' does not name a type
# [19:33] <@bz> hrm
# [19:33] <@bz> that file is not including stdint.h....
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# [19:39] <Waldo> char16_t isn't in stdint.h
# [19:39] <Waldo> in C++11 it's a keyword
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# [19:39] <Waldo> which means much fun in emulating it, should we ever decide to do so
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# [19:40] <@bz> well
# [19:40] <@bz> so
# [19:40] <@bz> this is gcc 4.4
# [19:40] <@bz> is that close enough to C++11?
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# [19:41] <@bz> since this usage is inside a configure-based ifdef
# [19:41] <@bz> so maybe something is just confused
# [19:41] <Waldo> http://wiki.apache.org/stdcxx/C%2B%2B0xCompilerSupport claims char16_t exists in gcc 4.4
# [19:42] <Waldo> I'd guess configure bustage, yeah
# [19:43] <@bz> yeah
# [19:43] <@bz> clobbering went better
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# [19:43] <@bz> too bad the debug builds are still busted on gcc 4.4
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# [19:43] <@bz> ^&%^&^%&^%&^%
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# [19:43] <@bz> ../../../mozilla/widget/gtk2/nsPrintDialogGTK.cpp:122: error: cast from 'void*' to 'gint' loses precision
# [19:43] <@bz> goddamn idiocy
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# [19:44] <Waldo> gint, ugh
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# [19:46] <@bz> I really wish bisecting were not rocket science
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# [19:48] <heftig> trying to build aurora, but packaging fails: http://sprunge.us/iTGc
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# [19:48] <Ms2ger> heftig, yes
# [19:48] <Ms2ger> There's a stray ), let me find it
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> heftig, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk#902
# [19:49] <heftig> seems to be toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk
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# [19:49] <heftig> ah, thanks
# [19:49] <heftig> i was looking at 534
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# [19:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cf4face65451 - Mark Finkle - Bug 744850 - java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Receiver not registered (ignore the crash) r=kats
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# [19:57] <Yoric> Is there a good way to determine, during the execution of some code, if we are currently shutting down?
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# [20:00] <Waldo> if you have to ask the question, I suspect there may be some sort of underlying design flaw that needs to be rectified
# [20:00] <Waldo> Yoric: pretty sure you want bsmedberg for that, tho
# [20:00] <@bsmedberg> In general there is not a way to know that.
# [20:00] <@bsmedberg> It's been on my list of things which I think we should have.
# [20:00] <@bsmedberg> But in the meantime you just have to observe the topics related to shutdown.
# [20:02] <Yoric> :/
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# [20:02] <Yoric> Ok, thanks.
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# [20:10] <@bsmedberg> mwu: ping
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# [20:14] <Ms2ger> bjacob!
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# [20:14] <@bsmedberg> does anyone know how I would contruct a bugzilla query for "bugs I've reviewed in the past year"?
# [20:14] <bjacob> Ms2ger: pong
# [20:14] <Ms2ger> I'm so glad to see you :)
# [20:14] <Ms2ger> And, er, I've got a patch in your queue ;)
# [20:15] <bjacob> Ms2ger: glad you'r glad
# [20:15] <bjacob> ok looking
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# [20:17] <bjacob> Ms2ger: i'm not a super competent reviewer for general canvas code, like adding this nsRefPtr<nsHTMLCanvasElement> mCanvasElement; in canvasrenderingcontextinternal
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# [20:18] <bjacob> Ms2ger: roc or bz would be most knowledgeable but busy, so i dont know... ask Bas maybe?
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# [20:19] <bjacob> Ms2ger: or if you get a feedback+ from them, that's enough for me to feel comfortable doing the review
# [20:20] <Ms2ger> Mm
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# [20:21] <@bz> I'm on top of things
# [20:21] <@bz> through heroic effort and all
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# [20:21] <jcranmer> gcov: out of memory allocating 14150781736 bytes after a total of 135168 bytes
# [20:21] <@bz> well, I was 3 hours ago. ;)
# [20:21] <Ms2ger> bz, I'm afraid being on top of things only makes it worse for you :)
# [20:21] <froydnj_> 14GB should be enough for anybody
# [20:22] <jcranmer> do I want to know why it's trying to allocate 14GB of memory?
# [20:22] <@bz> yeah, I know
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# [20:22] <@bz> jcranmer: malloc slop, obviously
# [20:22] <@bz> jcranmer: rounding up to the nearest 14 gigs
# [20:22] <mwu> bsmedberg: pong
# [20:22] <khuey> jcranmer: early aborts guarantee low fragmentation
# [20:23] <@bsmedberg> mwu: would be available to take the reviews in bug 724513? I keep not getting to those reviews because of more urgent stuff.
# [20:23] <mwu> h/o lemme take a look
# [20:25] <@bz> jcranmer: someone mis-wrote "x + 10" aa "z << 10" when computing an allocation size?
# [20:25] <jcranmer> no
# [20:25] <jcranmer> it's trying to read a string as not a string
# [20:26] <@bz> not as fun
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# [20:26] <@bz> btw
# [20:26] <@bz> what's our timeframe for nixing the non-azure 2d canvas?
# [20:26] <@bz> it has a decidedly greenish tinge...
# [20:27] <Ms2ger> "Coming along"
# [20:27] <@bz> that's not a timeframe
# [20:27] <mwu> bsmedberg: looks doable, I'll take the review
# [20:27] <@bsmedberg> ty!
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# [20:29] <Waldo> bz: nsDependentJSString is supposed to be not re-initializable?
# [20:29] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [20:29] <Waldo> oddment
# [20:29] <Waldo> oh hm, I guess so
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# [20:30] <@bz> Waldo: generally speaking, there is no need to reinit it
# [20:31] <Waldo> bz: because JSAPI isn't C++, JSString and JSFlatString are opaque types that are entirely unrelated; unfortunately you can't model inheritance in C++ without exposing implementation guts, or faking it the way we fake js::shadow::Object as layout-compatible with JSObject's actual implementation and all
# [20:31] <Waldo> bz: eventually we may do the fake-impl trick to expose inheritance publicly, but it's not a priority now
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# [20:32] <Waldo> (and of course the JS_FORGET_FLATNESS mumble gunk is to do the reinterpret_cast between the two)
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# [20:42] <gavin> gerv: should bug 742101 be assigned to you?
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# [20:49] <Ms2ger> khuey, it's his birthday!
# [20:49] <Archaeopteryx> khuey: he left #ux 18 minutes ago
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> bjacob, so.... ;)
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# [20:50] <khuey> Ms2ger: oh, fun
# [20:51] <Ms2ger> Also, 10 years since we shipped Mozilla 1.0
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# [20:52] <bjacob> Ms2ger: so should i go ahead with this review?
# [20:52] <Ms2ger> Please :)
# [20:52] <bjacob> ok
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# [20:53] <bjacob> Ms2ger: replied with a questoin
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# [20:54] <Ms2ger> bjacob, the comment was a lie
# [20:54] <bjacob> ah
# [20:54] <Ms2ger> We never do SetCanvasElement(nsnull)
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# [20:54] <Ms2ger> And we already hold strong refs in all implementations
# [20:54] <bjacob> ok
# [20:54] <@bz> indeed
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# [20:56] <bjacob> Ms2ger: bz: i see now, that i am looking at the canvas context impls
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# [21:01] <gaston> what could have grown firefox package by 1.5Mb between 12 and 13 ?
# [21:03] <mbrubeck> gaston: There's some discussion of that at https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/k7fzkhdt9io/discussion
# [21:04] <bjacob> Ms2ger: done
# [21:04] <gaston> 16357030 Aug 16 2011 /usr/ports/packages/amd64/all/firefox-6.0.tgz
# [21:04] <gaston> 19601715 Apr 26 01:08 /usr/ports/packages/amd64/all/firefox-12.0.tgz
# [21:04] <gaston> 21761284 Jun 5 20:47 /usr/ports/packages/amd64/all/firefox-13.0.tgz
# [21:04] <gaston> 5mb since 6.0...
# [21:04] <Ms2ger> bjacob, thanks!
# [21:05] <@bz> gaston: lots more libraries.....
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# [21:06] <mbrubeck> gaston: See also http://arewesmallyet.com/
# [21:06] <gaston> heh
# [21:06] <Ms2ger> bjacob, sorta, mCanvasElement was an nsIDOMHTMLCanvasElement
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# [21:06] <Ms2ger> It could have used HTMLCanvasElement(
# [21:06] <Ms2ger> )
# [21:06] <bjacob> Ms2ger: replies to bug comments should be bug comments :)
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# [21:08] <derf> mbrubeck: Where's the Android line on that graph?
# [21:09] <gaston> meh memegenerator doesnt have the 'too damn high' image to submit a mozillameme on ffx size
# [21:09] <mbrubeck> derf: Good question
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# [21:10] <@bz> gaston: have you compared it to other browsers? ;)
# [21:10] <derf> It seems like that is the most important one.
# [21:10] <mbrubeck> gaston: http://www.quickmeme.com/Too-Damn-High/
# [21:10] <mbrubeck> derf: I wanted to call the Android version arewefatyet.com after http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/15/opera_mobilbe_for_android_size/
# [21:11] <gaston> bz: 13233857 Apr 24 15:14 /usr/ports/packages/amd64/all/webkit-1.8.1v0.tgz :)
# [21:11] <@bz> gaston: that's webkit
# [21:11] <@bz> gaston: not a browser
# [21:11] <bkero> it's also source code, let's compare source code sizes!
# [21:11] <@bz> oh, and that
# [21:11] <gaston> ok, if i add midori package size, it's still below 20mb :)
# [21:12] <@bz> compresed source code
# [21:12] <@bz> gaston: you're comparing apples and oranges
# [21:12] <mbrubeck> The Google Chrome binary package for debian is 32.6 MB
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# [21:12] <gaston> haha if you compare the source tarballs... ffx is 10 times webkit :)
# [21:13] <@bz> gaston: uh...
# [21:13] <@bz> gaston: that's quite odd
# [21:13] <@bz> since I have the source tree for webkit here
# [21:13] <bkero> IIRC if you compare LOC it's the same
# [21:13] <bjacob> gaston: firefox is a whole browser, so you should compare to chromium source
# [21:13] <@bz> lemme see....
# [21:13] <gaston> bz: ok the svn checkout is 4Gb, i know >:)
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# [21:13] <bjacob> gaston: also mozilla-central contains multiple browsers (firefox, fennec)
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# [21:13] <gaston> 79605635 Jun 5 07:40 /usr/ports/distfiles/mozilla/firefox-13.0.source.tar.bz2
# [21:13] <@bz> gaston: well, then?
# [21:13] <gaston> 7949924 Apr 24 09:55 /usr/ports/distfiles/webkit-1.8.1.tar.xz
# [21:14] <bjacob> gaston: forget about webkit, look at chromium
# [21:14] <@bz> gaston: so why are you trolling, exactly?
# [21:14] <bkero> gaston: webkit is not the right package to look at
# [21:14] <bjacob> which contains a copy of webkit
# [21:14] <gaston> bz: i'm not trolling
# [21:14] <@bz> gaston: it sure looks like you are...
# [21:14] <mbrubeck> the Chromium .tgz file from http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/get-the-code is 1.3 GB. WTF?
# [21:14] <gaston> mbrubeck: it bundles gtk, and a hell lot of other libs
# [21:14] <mbrubeck> ah
# [21:15] <mbrubeck> I knew there had to be something weird going on there.
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# [21:15] <mbrubeck> Note that the Firefox source tarball also bundles lots of libraries
# [21:15] <@bz> indeed
# [21:15] <gaston> yeah, i know.. still the growth is a bit depressing
# [21:15] <bkero> gaston: http://it.pastebin.mozilla.org/1656404
# [21:15] <gaston> i used to be able to build firefox with objdir in memory...
# [21:15] <@bz> gaston: well, we dropped in a lot of media libs if nothing else....
# [21:16] <bjacob> skia too
# [21:16] <bkero> >=( skia
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# [21:16] <bkero> Way to NIH it all up guys
# [21:16] <@bz> about 1.7 gigs for debug
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# [21:16] <@bz> about 2.7 for opt (?)
# [21:16] <gaston> i dont really see where skia fits in the picture, wasnt it meant as a replacement for cairo ? or is it above or below cairo ?
# [21:16] <bjacob> bz: bkero: if you're going to do that, strip them fifrst
# [21:17] <@bz> gaston: replacement for cairo
# [21:17] <bkero> It's like cairo, but not as good. But they made it!
# [21:17] <@bz> bjacob: well, for purposes of "build without touching disk", the unstripped size is what matters
# [21:17] <bjacob> but currently we build both
# [21:17] <gaston> more fast/efficient than cairo ?
# [21:17] <@bz> bkero: I'll buy not as good when cairo matches the speed....
# [21:17] <bkero> Nope, and with less rendering targets :)
# [21:17] <bjacob> gaston: depends on platform
# [21:17] <bkero> bz: cairo matches the speed? To what target?
# [21:17] <@bz> bkero: because right now any time I compare our software rendering to Chrome's I cry
# [21:17] <@bz> bkero: to skia
# [21:18] <@bz> bkero: and I'm on mac, where cairo has fast paths
# [21:18] <bkero> bz: Why do we force software rendering with cairo then?
# [21:18] <@bz> bkero: our path story with cairo on Windows/Linux is downright scary
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# [21:18] <@bz> bkero: I should have been clearer. "software" == "using cairo"
# [21:18] <@bz> bkero: as opposed to us manually doing GL stuff
# [21:18] <bkero> bz: cairo supports GL stuff -_-
# [21:19] <AryehGregor> gaston, if you can't build Firefox with source plus objdir in memory, buy more memory. 4x4 GB name-brand DDR3 desktop memory is $78 on newegg.
# [21:19] <@bz> bkero: I have yet to see cairo doing any GL stuff in a profile
# [21:19] <bkero> bz: http://www.cairographics.org/OpenGL/
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# [21:19] <bjacob> bkero: "supporting GL stuff" is different from "actually being efficient with it". Even skia has a hard time with that (compare to D2D perf)
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# [21:19] <AryehGregor> Okay, fine. 16G laptop memory is $100.
# [21:19] <bkero> bjacob: but cairo has had a decade to do it right :)
# [21:19] <gaston> AryehGregor: i know, i know :) i just use hw donations, so i get to do with it :)
# [21:19] <froydnj_> AryehGregor: 32-bit platform assumption fail
# [21:19] <@bz> bkero: in any case, the point is that at least on Mac Chrome gfx perf blows us out of the water
# [21:20] <AryehGregor> froydnj_, my desktop is 32-bit. I just use PAE. :)
# [21:20] <@bz> AryehGregor: motherboard assumption fail. ;)
# [21:20] <AryehGregor> (I don't know why anyone would want to use 32-bit for anything these days, though)
# [21:20] <bkero> bz: Yep, that's a problem that should be fixed.
# [21:20] <@bz> bkero: and the profiles are all down in cairo land
# [21:20] <froydnj_> AryehGregor: touche!
# [21:20] <bkero> bjacob: have you tried the OpenGL target support for cairo?
# [21:21] <@bz> bkero: and half the time it't not even cairo doing useful work
# [21:21] <bdahl> jmaher: ping
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# [21:21] <jmaher> bdahl: pong
# [21:21] <@bz> bkero: just twiddling its state, allocating and deallocating stuff, that sort of thing
# [21:21] <bkero> For the intel cards I've tried, it's about 4x faster than cairo doing some X11 drawing
# [21:21] <bkero> bz: So where's the bottleneck?
# [21:22] <@bz> bkero: "the"?
# [21:22] <bkero> bz: gfx perf
# [21:22] <bkero> !s/neck/necks/
# [21:22] <@bz> bkero: if you want to look for "the" bottleneck, it's "running too much state maintenance code"
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# [21:22] <@bz> too many function calls
# [21:22] <@bz> too many malloc calls
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# [21:22] <@bz> etc
# [21:22] <InvisibleSmiley> Hi everyone. I need a volunteer to land bug 758530 on m-i
# [21:22] * bkero seems to recall that was on the release notes of ffx13
# [21:23] <@bz> which "that"?
# [21:23] <bkero> paring down maintenance code intervals
# [21:23] <bdahl> jmaher: what do i need to do to get the Trace Malloc Max Heap talos test running locally?
# [21:24] <jmaher> ick...I need to figure out what that test is
# [21:24] <jmaher> bdahl: does that show up on tbpl?
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# [21:24] <@bz> bkero: it's not maintenance code... it's cairo's internal state stuff
# [21:25] <froydnj_> who's the right person to CC on potentially breaking changes for comm-central?
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# [21:25] <@bz> anyway
# [21:25] * @bz has pretty much washed his hands of gfx perf
# [21:25] <@bz> we have a whole team for that now. ;)
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# [21:25] <jmaher> bdahl: I recall getting this question before and hunted for a while before I found an answer
# [21:25] <@bz> and a plan
# [21:25] <@bz> and so forth
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# [21:26] <khuey> froydnj_: Callek, Standard8, and NeilAway, generally
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# [21:26] <bdahl> jmaher: nothing pops out on tbpl
# [21:26] <Callek> froydnj_: what type of breakage are we talking here, and timeframe of said breakage landing?
# [21:26] <Callek> froydnj_: relatedly, are you able/willing to do the fixing (if its not non-obvious) -- we always appreciate that :-)
# [21:27] <bkero> bz: ah, my point with that was that the different rendering targets follow some very different codepaths because some don't have to worry about things like damage.
# [21:27] <jmaher> bdahl: ok, maybe it isn't a talos test
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# [21:27] <bjacob> bkero: ask jrmuizel
# [21:28] <@bz> bkero: yes, of course
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# [21:28] <bdahl> jmaher: i see it in https://wiki.mozilla.org/Perfomatic/Test_Name_Mappings
# [21:28] <froydnj_> Callek: bug 761621 looked dangerous
# [21:29] <khuey> InvisibleSmiley: just mark it checkin-needed
# [21:30] <InvisibleSmiley> khuey: I could, but in the past I got the impression that checkin-needed is not processed in a timely manner - or is that only concerning branches?
# [21:30] <jmaher> bdahl: yeah, not much additional information in there
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# [21:31] <InvisibleSmiley> khuey: also it's a SeaMonkey bug so people usually checking FF/Core bugs will probably miss it
# [21:31] <jmaher> bdahl: any specific platform?
# [21:31] * naveed prepares to asks a noobilicious question
# [21:31] <khuey> InvisibleSmiley: if it's a SM bug why does it need to be checked in to inbound?
# [21:31] <Callek> I'm less convinced that its ok to be.
# [21:31] <Callek> khuey: seamonkey bug but neil patched firefox
# [21:31] <Callek> if its the same bug I think it is
# [21:32] <bdahl> jmaher: my platform or the one it regressed on?
# [21:32] <Callek> or this could be the sync bug that adds an application= for suite
# [21:32] <InvisibleSmiley> khuey: because it's shared code (services/) SM-affecting regression
# [21:32] <naveed> In Mozilla speak content is web content (HTML JS etc) from external net connections. Chrome is FF UI elements (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Chrome). Where do addons fall in this. Are they fully first class Chrome participants or is there a seperate level for them?
# [21:32] <khuey> InvisibleSmiley: ah
# [21:32] <jmaher> bdahl: the one it regressed on
# [21:32] <khuey> naveed: Addons are Chrome
# [21:32] <naveed> ty
# [21:32] <InvisibleSmiley> khuey: if I get permission to land on m-c directly, I can do that, but I have no m-i tree
# [21:32] <jmaher> bdahl: it appears in the debug mozconfigs
# [21:32] <khuey> InvisibleSmiley: you can land it directly on m-c
# [21:33] <khuey> just don't break anything ;-)
# [21:33] <bdahl> jmaher: looks like linux and windows
# [21:33] <InvisibleSmiley> khuey: alright :)
# [21:33] <jmaher> bdahl: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[29,1,6]]
# [21:33] <sfink> though addons sometimes inject stuff into content
# [21:33] <gaston> is there a sample 'dumb' webapp to only test webapprt ?
# [21:33] <jmaher> bdahl: on tbpl it is the linux debug build, click on the 'B', then find 'MH'
# [21:34] <glandium> gaston: note that the 8M webkit tarball doesn't contain any test code
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# [21:34] <jmaher> 'MH' is in the popup that shows up at the bottom of tbpl
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# [21:35] <jmaher> bdahl: looking at the logfile, I think it is leaktest.py: python leaktest.py -- --trace-malloc malloc.log --shutdown-leaks=sdleak.log
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# [21:36] <jlebar> mak, Thanks for the reviews.
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# [21:37] <mak> jlebar: thanks for doing all of that! if you wish I can look at the coalesced patch, as you prefer. I don't think I have further to comment
# [21:37] <mak> though with so many parts it's easy to lose the global change
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# [21:37] <jlebar> mak, I just posted the full patch for you to look at.
# [21:37] <mak> ah, cool
# [21:38] <aja> dzbarsky: +1 (for Microdata API landing)
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> And breaking c-c
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# [21:44] <froydnj_> AryehGregor: "We should never be shipping something that no one else has implemented" (from dev.platform) really?
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# [21:46] <bdahl> jlebar: thanks for the pointers. now you wouldn't happen to know anything about automationutils would you?
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> froydnj_, in release? I'd agree with that
# [21:47] <Ms2ger> bdahl, that's ted you want
# [21:47] <jlebar> bdahl, ?
# [21:47] <bdahl> jlebar: trying to run the leaktest.py "ImportError: No module named automationutils"
# [21:47] <jlebar> bdahl, You want me, or ted?
# [21:49] <bdahl> ted i guess unless you know about them too
# [21:49] <Ms2ger> mconley, yep, that's the game to play
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# [21:49] <mconley> Ms2ger: coolbeans, thanks
# [21:49] <jlebar> bdahl, Sorry, I'm not sure how I gave you the impression I knew what was going on here...
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# [21:50] <Ms2ger> Np
# [21:50] <bdahl> jlebar: doh! sorry i meant jmaher
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# [21:50] <jlebar> InvisibleSmiley, see http://jlebar.com/2011/5/20/Faster_and_smaller_clones_of_branches.html for making an m-i clone out of your m-c clone.
# [21:51] <jlebar> bdahl, aha. :)
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# [21:52] <jcranmer> Ms2ger: so are you going to try to fix bug 684466 then? :-P
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# [21:52] <froydnj_> Ms2ger: so we get reduced to just copying what somebody else did? I understand the rationale, but that doesn't seem to be great for doing anything more than dying slowly
# [21:52] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, no
# [21:52] <Ms2ger> froydnj_, uh, no?
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# [21:53] <Ms2ger> froydnj_, we can still invent new stuff, we just need to convince someone else than us that it's a useful thing to do
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# [21:55] <froydnj_> hmmm, how many things get standardized (or even introduced) this way? I'd bet the number is fairly low
# [21:55] <mbrubeck> jlebar++ for writing that blog post -- I send that link to people *all* the time
# [21:55] <Ms2ger> froydnj_, how?
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# [21:55] <Ms2ger> By one vendor implementing and proposing in a standards venue?
# [21:55] <jlebar> mbrubeck, :) We should probably put it in a wiki somewhere.
# [21:55] <jmaher> bdahl: are you running leaktest from objdir?
# [21:55] <Ms2ger> Most of them
# [21:55] <bdahl> jmaher: yes
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# [21:56] <Ms2ger> Only Apple tends to just stop working on the spec once they've dumped it over the wall
# [21:56] <froydnj_> Ms2ger: sorry, where's the implementation step if we're not releasing things?
# [21:56] <Ms2ger> On Nightly
# [21:56] <InvisibleSmiley> jlebar: I don't supposed the "share storage" part of the cloning works on NTFS?
# [21:56] <jlebar> InvisibleSmiley, I think it may. NTFS has hard links iirc.
# [21:57] <jlebar> InvisibleSmiley, But you can try it and see! :)
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# [21:57] <InvisibleSmiley> jlebar: I hope it won't take hours...
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# [21:57] <jmaher> bdahl: hmm, there has to be some magic somewhere to run it
# [21:57] <jlebar> InvisibleSmiley, Even without the hardlinks, it should not take hours.
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> froydnj_, nobody's arguing against implementing anything, just about releasing them to half a billion users
# [21:57] <bdahl> jmaher: i see there's a virtualenv
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# [21:58] <jlebar> InvisibleSmiley, Unless you have a *very* slow machine. :)
# [21:58] <jmaher> bdahl: yeah, I am not sure if virtualenv get automationutils though
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# [21:58] <froydnj_> I disvolunteer for repeatedly backing those patches out of the tree
# [21:58] <jmaher> for some reason I thought it did
# [21:58] <InvisibleSmiley> jlebar: quite the contrary :)
# [21:58] <Ms2ger> #ifdefs
# [21:58] <Ms2ger> Or prefs
# [21:58] <jmaher> ted: how to run leaktest.py and import automationutils?
# [21:58] <Ms2ger> Like all the B2G stuff now
# [21:59] <jlebar> Ms2ger, me++? :-p
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# [21:59] <Ms2ger> jlebar, pff
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# [22:01] <jmaher> bdahl: cd {objdir}/_leaktest
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# [22:03] <aja> anyone with better bugzilla search foo than mine able to find a bug for media queries 4 pointer and/or hover ?
# [22:03] <Ms2ger> No such bug
# [22:03] <aja> k...tks
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# [22:05] <aja> Ms2ger: know if -moz-touch-enabled is chrome-only, perchance?
# [22:05] <jlebar> aja, fyi, I usually use Google for difficult bugzilla searches. "site:bugzilla.mozilla.org"
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# [22:05] <bdahl> jmaher: that worked thanks!
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# [22:06] <@ted> jmaher: ?
# [22:06] <aja> jlebar: not a bad idea
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# [22:06] <jmaher> bdahl: cool, ted we figured it out by ourselves this time around
# [22:06] <bdahl> now i guess the real question is should i be concerned about the max heap going up by 2.2MB?
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# [22:07] <@ted> ah
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# [22:08] <jmaher> bdahl: well, if it is reproducible that would be a good data point to have before deciding
# [22:08] <dholbert> felipe, ping
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# [22:09] <aja> <s2ger: asking cuz i tried testing webkit's new pointer and hover media....but seems it's chrome-only (i.e. not avail for content use) atm
# [22:10] <aja> Ms2ger: ^
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# [22:16] <gaston> jst: is there a way to 'fetch' a webapp instead of installing it ? my m-c is on a remote computer, and clicking 'install' in ffx 12 just says 'Error in installation: NETWORK ERROR'
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# [22:16] <gaston> i suppose noone will care but in a webkit based browser https://apps.mozillalabs.com/appdir/ doesnt show the list of apps
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# [22:27] <InvisibleSmiley> NeilAway: I'm working on getting a local m-i just now
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# [22:28] <NeilAway> InvisibleSmiley: ok fair enough
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# [22:28] <InvisibleSmiley> NeilAway: do you know the URL for m-i? Can't find it
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# [22:29] <philor> InvisibleSmiley: /integration/
# [22:29] <InvisibleSmiley> philor: yeah, got it. Hidden gem
# [22:30] <philor> InvisibleSmiley: and also, http://jlebar.com/2011/5/20/Faster_and_smaller_clones_of_branches.html will save you cloning it directly and fighting with hg.m.o
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# [22:30] <InvisibleSmiley> philor: doing just that
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# [22:32] <InvisibleSmiley> philor: done :)
# [22:32] <@ehsan> how does one marks the test to fail only for 10.6 and 10.7 but not 10.5 in reftest manifests?
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# [22:33] <philor> random-if(widgetCocoa) ;)
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# [22:33] <Ms2ger> Ah, that's the philor I know
# [22:34] <philor> fails-if(/Mac\x20OS\x20X\x2010\.6/.test(http.oscpu)) fails-if(/Mac\x20OS\x20X\x2010\.7/.test(http.oscpu)) is the sad real answer
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# [22:34] <jduell> So we have limit of 4K on cookies for the name + value. I'm debugging a crash where we fail when alloc'ing name + value + host + path. Anyone know if we have max lengths for hostnames and/or URI paths?
# [22:35] <froydnj_> philor++ for bug 761484
# [22:35] <jduell> bnicholson: ping
# [22:36] <@bsmedberg> jduell: not really, but suspect that it's actually an OOM
# [22:36] <bnicholson> jduell: pong
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# [22:36] <@bsmedberg> jduell: do the crash stats say what the size of the allocation is, and whether there is freemem?
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# [22:37] <jduell> bsmedberg: where do crash stats give size of allocation and freemem? I see only stack trace
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# [22:37] <@bsmedberg> jduell: in the block at the top, usually: got a link?
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# [22:37] <jduell> ah, OOMAllocationSize
# [22:37] <jduell> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/74836c21-4c40-4756-8f87-356952120531
# [22:37] <@bsmedberg> yeah, on Windows there should also be VM free and such
# [22:38] <jduell> bsmedberg: ok thanks
# [22:38] <Mook_as> can't you do 10\.[67] in fails-if?
# [22:38] <jduell> bnicholson: I was just about to ask you how you knew what size the allocation was... Now answered
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# [22:39] <jduell> bsmedberg: is there any chance that the OOMAllocationSize is wrong? It seems weird that we keep hitting OOM on android at the same code point with an allocation size of 102
# [22:39] <@bsmedberg> jduell: given that size, it's relatively unlikely that this is a real OOM and much more likely that this is memory corruption
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# [22:39] <jduell> bsmedberg: ugh. Thanks
# [22:39] <@bsmedberg> memory corruption in jemalloc memory can cause jemalloc to fail
# [22:39] <@bsmedberg> there were a few others like this
# [22:40] <jduell> bsmedberg: do we use jemalloc in android?
# [22:40] <@bsmedberg> I'm... not sure
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# [22:40] <@bsmedberg> but the same problem can occur in the default allocator
# [22:40] <jduell> this is just nsCookie calling new, which calls moz_xmalloc, which calls 'malloc'
# [22:40] <@bsmedberg> yeah, the corruption would have happened earlier
# [22:41] <jduell> bsmedberg: it seems hard to debug this w/o steps to reproduce...
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# [22:41] <jduell> Wondering if there's anything I can try...
# [22:41] <@bsmedberg> jduell: this feels similar to bug 709860
# [22:41] <@bsmedberg> and yes, this is very hard to figure out
# [22:41] <@bsmedberg> even if you have STR!
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# [22:47] <BenWa> aki|buildduty|mtg: pong
# [22:48] <aki|buildduty> BenWa: i think this is only for nightlies, and we don't want this for releases: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/diff/7fabd3f2bc1e/browser/config/mozconfigs/linux32/nightly
# [22:48] <aki|buildduty> is that correct?
# [22:48] <aki|buildduty> (that's how it is now, just verifying we don't need to copy that into the release mozconfig)
# [22:49] <BenWa> aki|buildduty: Yea, we don't need it. It would make debugging those builds easier but it makes them bigger also
# [22:49] <BenWa> So lets keep it nightly only until we decide otherwise
# [22:49] <aki|buildduty> ok, thank you
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# [22:53] <armenzg> hi, anyone know how I can "make package-tests" without running "make -f client.mk build" first?
# [22:53] <ctalbert> armenzg: You can't make package tests without doing a build because it contains items from the build like xpcshell and sshtunnel etc
# [22:53] <blassey> is hg.mozilla.org slow right now?
# [22:53] <blassey> updating my aurora tree is taking forever
# [22:53] <blassey> and I updated it last night
# [22:53] <gavin> I just pulled and it seemed fine
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# [22:55] <heftig> blassey: you updated after it was moved to 15?
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# [22:55] <armenzg> ctalbert: thanks; I gotta build then!
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# [22:56] <gavin> oh yeah, post-merge is going to hurt a little
# [22:56] <ctalbert> armenzg: yep
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# [22:56] <@bz> ehsan: ping
# [22:56] <@ehsan> bz: yes sir! :)
# [22:57] <@bz> ehsan: are you planning to work on scoped styles, or just getting the bug on file?
# [22:57] <@ehsan> bz: the latter for now ;)
# [22:57] <@bz> ok
# [22:57] <@ehsan> bz: how hard is it? :)
# [22:57] <@bz> mmm
# [22:57] <@bz> lemme comment in the bug
# [22:57] <@ehsan> good idea
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# [22:58] <jprmc> felipe, roc : so - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731293 - which patch do I want in order to build today? :-)
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# [22:58] <jprmc> (from mozilla-beta)
# [22:59] <@ehsan> bz: I basically filed this because I needed to mark another bug block on it
# [22:59] <@bz> ah
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# [23:06] <mono> question: how do I run the shumway samples?
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# [23:07] <mono> I ran make to create shumway.xpi, installed it.
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# [23:07] <mono> drag and drop as3_tiger's index.html into Firefox 13 and got bunch javascript errors.
# [23:08] <@bz> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=508725#c3
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# [23:12] <khuey> I need somebody around with a current objdir on a Unix system to test something for me
# [23:12] <khuey> any volunteers?
# [23:12] <felipe> dholbert: pong
# [23:12] <froydnj_> khuey: debug or opt?
# [23:12] <dholbert> felipe, unping, sorry
# [23:12] <khuey> froydnj_: preferably debug
# [23:12] <khuey> but I can live with either
# [23:12] <froydnj_> khuey: whaddya need?
# [23:13] <khuey> froydnj_: can you | make -d | in objdir/security/manager?
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# [23:13] <froydnj_> wow, somebody needs to fix their .SUFFIXES
# [23:13] <khuey> froydnj_: and let me know whether or not it succeeds
# [23:13] <khuey> froydnj_: srsly
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# [23:16] <froydnj_> up to 200k lines of output...
# [23:17] <khuey> yeah
# [23:17] <khuey> make -d is fun
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# [23:17] <froydnj_> ../../../coreconf/rules.mk:316: *** multiple target patterns. Stop.
# [23:18] <froydnj_> khuey: so I guess that's a no?
# [23:18] <khuey> interesting
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# [23:18] <khuey> froydnj_: ty
# [23:18] <froydnj_> khuey: np
# [23:18] <khuey> froydnj_: that's what I was seeing on Windows, was curious if it was some crazy msys port bug
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# [23:19] <aleth> How cheap are calls to setCharPref? i.e. is it mainly in memory and not flushed to disk immediately?
# [23:20] <@ehsan> bz: so.. more than a couple of hours of work? ;)
# [23:20] <froydnj_> khuey: guess you have to fix it now, being a build guy and all that :)
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# [23:20] <khuey> froydnj_: nah, NSS is third party code
# [23:21] <froydnj_> security/manager is NSS?
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# [23:22] <khuey> no, it's not
# [23:22] <khuey> but it builds NSS
# [23:22] <khuey> which is where it's dying
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# [23:22] <khuey> coreconf is inside nss
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# [23:25] <felipe> jprmc: do you want me to land my patch in beta? or someone already doing that?
# [23:25] <jprmc> felipe: i am just giving you approval, give me two minutes
# [23:26] <jprmc> felipe: done - if you could, that would be great
# [23:26] <jprmc> we can hopefully go to build soon
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# [23:33] <espadrine> Can iframes run javascript code concurrently w.r.t its parent?
# [23:34] <espadrine> I assume not, but I just want to make sure
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# [23:35] <jesup> khuey: If you need someone else, I have objdirs
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# [23:37] <jesup> Which reminds me.... :-) Have you found ted's crazy gyp-makefile stuff? ;-)
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# [23:40] <heftig> i notice fedora builds with --enable-chrome-format=omni
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# [23:40] <heftig> what's the advantage of that?
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# [23:43] <gaston> mostly every file packed in a 'huge' zip file used at runtime
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# [23:43] <gaston> less fragmentation and fs stress iirc
# [23:43] <gaston> that's the default since a while
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# [23:47] <glandium> heftig: using the option is useless, it's the default
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# [23:49] <glandium> heftig: it's a lie
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# [23:49] <glandium> heftig: check the various places that set MOZ_CHROME_FILE_FORMAT=omni
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# [23:50] <heftig> in configure.in there seem to be two, one for Gonk and one for Android
# [23:50] <glandium> heftig: actually, that's set in browser/confvars.sh
# [23:50] <heftig> ah, thanks.
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The end :)