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# [00:11] <philor> bz: is that Win64 make check failure on you on inbound for real?
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# [00:11] <@bz> philor: looking
# [00:11] <@bz> philor: seems pretty unlikely
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# [00:12] <@bz> philor|away: looks like a "test timed out" kinda thing.....
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# [00:52] <evilpie_> so chromes uses a lot of JS right? do we ship it as is, or is it minified?
# [00:53] <fabrice> evilpie_: as is
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# [00:53] <Callek> ....should I be worried when about:memory itself hangs on me?
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# [00:54] * Mook_as though chrome JS was "XDRed in omni.jar, and otherwise in startup cache anyway"
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# [00:55] <mwu> jsms and js components are XDR'd in omnijar
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# [00:55] <Callek> :? 213.62 MB (19.69%) ── heap-unclassified
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# [00:56] <espadrine> evilpie_: chrome's JS is not minified, but since it is jar-ed, it seems fine
# [00:56] <evilpie_> well okay
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# [00:57] <mbrubeck> We experimented with some minimization in Fennec
# [00:57] <espindola> !seen sdwilsh
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# [00:57] <espadrine> minifying it would require a special parser, did you have that in Fennec?
# [00:58] <mbrubeck> Not real minimization, just some simple stuff like stripping out comments
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# [00:58] <mbrubeck> not just in JS but in XML and .properties files, if I remember right
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# [00:58] <evilpie_> well you could just use one of the thousands minifiers
# [00:58] <espadrine> oh ok, that's doable!
# [00:58] <espadrine> what was the % gain?
# [00:58] <mwu> it's pretty hard to beat deflate though
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# [00:59] <jcranmer> chrome preprocessing blows
# [01:00] <espadrine> mwu: whatever happens, deflating it is necessary, on the web and in firefox. It is sooo much smaller afterwards
# [01:00] <espadrine> jcranmer: would you remove the deflate step from the packaging process?
# [01:01] <mbrubeck> Ah, looks like we only did it for l10n files, in multi-locale builds: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608412
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# [01:01] <jcranmer> espadrine: I'm trying to relate source files to their counterparts in the module build
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# [01:02] <mbrubeck> about 200KB size reduction in a 13-locale build.
# [01:02] <espadrine> mbrubeck: after deflating?
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# [01:02] <mbrubeck> yes
# [01:02] <mbrubeck> see comments in the bug for details
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# [01:04] <espadrine> not bad
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# [01:09] <WG9s> this is unlikely to happen with java for political reasons.
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# [01:10] <WG9s> as loing as oracle controls java and oracle is suing google over their use of JAVA in android the likelihood of them adopting a google only solution to anything is very close to zero.
# [01:12] <WG9s> hmm sorry wrong channel
# [01:12] <jgilbert> heh, yeah, was going to say...
# [01:12] <jhammel> WG9s: heh, but now you make me want to know what the context was ;)
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# [01:12] <jgilbert> PPAPI :p
# [01:13] <WG9s> was a person on firefox lobbying for supporting ppapi becuase of the adobe not updating the npapi plugin for flashplayer.
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# [01:13] <WG9s> and claiming that JAVA was sure to follow the same path as one of the arguments.
# [01:14] <jhammel> ah, haha
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# [01:14] <jhammel> i guess they were unaware that google + adobe were in bed
# [01:15] <jgilbert> such a sordid affair
# [01:15] <jhammel> quite
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# [01:17] <WG9s> As I said in the other channel, we probably would have all been much beter off had adobe not bought macromedia
# [01:17] <jhammel> s/probably//
# [01:18] <WG9s> I don;t think anyone uses dreamweavcer anymore.
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# [01:18] <WG9s> which was actually thier major product.
# [01:18] <WG9s> flash and shockwave were kind of secondary.
# [01:18] <jhammel> i'd be surprised if dreamweaver was completely dead
# [01:18] <jhammel> or even mostly-dead
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# [01:22] <WG9s> but i think it is mostly not on anything other than Adobe's back burner.
# [01:22] <WG9s> It si not a priority thing for them
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# [01:27] <Callek> dholbert: given what philor said, I don't suppose you know of anyone who can (try) and get a suiteable zip of the necessary files for me to run through staging (Bug 742597)
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# [01:30] <dholbert> Callek, I don't know
# [01:31] <dholbert> Callek, I'm just the bug-reporter :)
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# [01:32] <Callek> dholbert: ok, lets backup then, know anyone who is able to build a fennec targetted at OSX that we can work with to create a useful package
# [01:32] <dholbert> Callek, Probably most of the developers in #mobile. Perhaps cpeterson or margaret
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# [01:33] <dholbert> Callek, (I've seen both of those people using OS X :D)
# [01:33] <jhammel> watch out! he's got a gun!
# [01:33] <cpeterson> Callek, are you trying to build Fennec _for_ OS X or _on_ OS X?
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# [01:38] <Callek> sheppy: blame MDN instead of Nightly -- its what we all do. You should contact the Mozilla-Owner of MDN, that would be... hrm, you.... ok blame Nightly
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# [01:38] <sheppy> Callek: this is actually a Firefox bug though :)
# [01:38] <sheppy> ehsan knows :)
# [01:38] <Callek> thats what they all say :-P
# [01:39] <zzzzz> sheppy this ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761861
# [01:39] <zzzzz> It got landed/fixed today - post Nightly spin
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# [01:40] <sheppy> I don't think this is it.
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# [01:41] <sheppy> ehsan and I discovered that a method that figures out the start and end points of a set of ranges (or something like that) is returning a start point that's after the end point, and the caller isn't checking them either, so we wind up walking past the end of an array.
# [01:41] <sheppy> I put details on the bug...
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# [01:42] <sheppy> This one: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759858
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# [01:42] <sheppy> Happens to me several times a week.
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# [01:46] <@ehsan> sheppy: yeah sorry, still haven't had time to look at it :(
# [01:46] <sheppy> ehsan: not fussing at you about it, everyone's slammed :)
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# [01:48] <sheppy> Meahwhile, my laptop is yelling "why do you keep compiling Boot to Gecko for ALL THE PHONES!?"
# [01:50] <Waldo> COMPILE FOR ALL THE PHONES
# [01:50] <espindola> catlee-away, do you still have the numbers from when we switched to doing debug builds with optimizations?
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# [01:50] <espindola> would be handy for the perf review :-)
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# [01:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c779db92fef2 - Geoff Lankow - Bug 762079 - crash in nsFileStreamBase::MaybeOpen; r=bent
# [01:51] <sheppy> Then I quietly explain to my laptop that I'm verifying the veracity of the documentation I've been writing, and it just cries.
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# [01:52] <bent> darktrojan, you didn't address my review comment...
# [01:52] <darktrojan> I did
# [01:52] <darktrojan> I used NS_ENSURE_STATE instead of NS_ENSURE_ARG
# [01:53] <bent> ah indeed, sorry about that
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# [01:53] <darktrojan> np
# [01:53] <bent> subtle macros
# [01:53] <darktrojan> only because I happened to have the macros open and notice it
# [01:53] <Callek> does anyone know what *.mac* is the universal on http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
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# [01:56] <Wes-> Callek: universal? didn't we drop PPC at 1.9.2 ?
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# [01:57] <Mossop> Callek: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/xulrunner/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/xulrunner-15.0a1.en-US.mac.tar.bz2 is the universal runtime
# [01:57] <Mossop> There is no universal SDK
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# [01:57] <Callek> Mossop: I'm looking for runtimes, like xpcshell/etc. not necessarily the full SDK
# [01:57] <Mossop> xpcshell is only in the SDK last I checked
# [01:57] <Callek> if they dont exist I can figure out what arch I need it on
# [01:58] <Callek> thanks
# [01:58] <Mossop> Though I guess you could try to use unify to create one
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# [01:58] <Mossop> Callek: xpcshell used to be in the runtime so if you can deal with an older version yu can get it from there
# [01:58] <Callek> Mossop: its for our fennec automation, and if that sounds icky to you already then you know my pain
# [01:58] <Mossop> heh
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# [02:06] <darktrojan> has someone broken the mailing lists or something?
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# [02:11] <Callek> darktrojan: possibly, whats your symptoms?
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# [02:12] <darktrojan> only 3 messages in the last 12 hours
# [02:12] <darktrojan> not that I mind
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# [02:14] <Callek> Mossop: *O FUN*
# [02:14] <Callek> Mossop: I need to support *both* 32-bit and 64-bit
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# [02:15] <Mossop> Well a unified xpcshell would work for that
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# [02:18] <Callek> Mossop: any advice on untarring this on *windows*; http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/1657422
# [02:19] <Mossop> Callek: Theres a flag to ignore symlinks iirc
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# [02:21] <Mossop> Callek: Or just select to only unarchive the specific files you want
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# [02:22] <heycam> with hgweb is there a way to get a list of changes between revisions or dates?
# [02:22] <heycam> e.g. if I want to list just all changes in the last x hours?
# [02:22] <jdm> pushloghtml?
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# [02:23] <jdm> I think hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=&tochange= is the best you can do
# [02:23] <heycam> jdm, thanks I will try that
# [02:24] <heycam> oh that's something special on hg.mozilla.org isn't it? looking for something that works on a stock hgweb
# [02:25] <@khuey> stock hgweb doesn't have a concept of pushes
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# [02:26] <heycam> I'd be happy with a list of all revisions between two revisions
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# [02:29] <Callek> Mossop: ooo fun, --dereference and --hard-derefence are not working to clear up the issue :/
# [02:29] * Callek just untars on the machine he will need this on anyway
# [02:29] <@dbaron> heycam, hg log -rstart:end
# [02:29] <@dbaron> heycam, also hg help revsets
# [02:30] <heycam> dbaron, is there a way to get that in hgweb? I want to send a link that shows a list of changes in say the last week.
# [02:30] <@dbaron> heycam, oh, probably not
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# [02:37] <espindola> on try I get a "got to build directory"
# [02:37] <espindola> is there something like that for m-c?
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# [02:38] <philor> yes, it's "open a log, one of the tests is better because they're shorter than the build log, copy the "download full log" link, paste it in the addressbar, and cut off the filename"
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# [02:39] <philor> quite similar, if you don't mind awkward workarounds ;)
# [02:39] <Callek> Mossop: any idea how I can extra a dmg?
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# [02:39] <Callek> s/extra/extract/ ?
# [02:39] <espindola> :-)
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# [02:39] <Mossop> Callek: On windows? I think 7zip might be able to do it but not sure
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# [02:40] <Mossop> Callek: But inside the xulrunner dmg's you'll find just a pkg which is probably even harder to extract
# [02:40] <Callek> I am on an ssh session on the mac this should end up in
# [02:40] <Mossop> Callek: hdiutil can mount a dmg
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# [03:34] <BenWa> Anyone know a way to have JS *block* the main thread for an accurate amount of time? I'm using 'while(blockStart + duration > new Date().getTime())' but this causes GC badness
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# [03:35] <dzbarsky> BenWa: maybe you could do while(block) { } and have a setTimeout set block to false?
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# [03:36] <gavin> setTimeout JS can't run while you're holding up the event loop
# [03:36] <gavin> BenWa: use Date.now()?
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# [03:37] <BenWa> I'll try that
# [03:37] <BenWa> I have a for(var i = 0; i < 10000000; i++) {} to reduce garbage but its far from ideal
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# [03:39] <BenWa> gavin: A lot better. Thanks!
# [03:39] <cjones> BenWa, Date.now()
# [03:40] <cjones> oh
# [03:40] <cjones> sorry gavin
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# [03:40] <BenWa> I'm trying to write a test case for requestAnimationFrame
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# [03:40] <BenWa> so trying to simulate a game doing computation for Xms every frame
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# [03:41] <@dolske> sha1 cracker for linked in?
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# [03:41] <@dolske> put those tinderbox to work!
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# [03:43] <gavin> http://leakedin.org/
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# [03:44] <dRdR> gavin: damn, 123456 was leaked :(
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# [03:46] <gavin> so were "reddog", "bluedog", "purpledog", and "pinkdog". but not "beigedog" or "fuschiadog"
# [03:46] <@dolske> hotdog?
# [03:47] <Havvy> colddog?
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# [04:12] <bsmith> I have created a new subcomponent of toolkit, toolkit/identity. The build creates staticlib/identity.lib.desc, but the build system insists on looking for staticlib/identity.lib instead of staticlib/identitylib.desc. Why?
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# [04:24] <cjones> anyone know how to get from a docshell to its nsIFrameLoader?
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# [04:25] <@bz> get the Window, get its frameElement, gets its frameloader
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# [04:26] <@bz> cjones: I'm not sure there's an obviously better way...
# [04:26] <@bz> cjones: though obviously we could add one
# [04:26] <cjones> bz, i can try that
# [04:27] <cjones> the problem i'm working on may require a different solution, but _any_ solution is good enough for now
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# [04:27] <@bz> no problem
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# [05:36] <Callek> wow I soooo love pulling beta after merge-day
# [05:36] <Callek> |added 10480 changesets with 44994 changes to 12422 files (+50 heads)|
# [05:37] <larfdesk> yay!
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# [05:38] <nthomas> unless that's a clone
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# [06:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1c5e63e6237d - Luke Wagner - Bug 761863 - jsop_aliasedArg should allocate a saved reg so that it isn't clobbered by the write barrier (r=dvander)
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# [06:04] <philor> what, trying to duck the Spidermonkey builds?
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# [06:15] <luke> philor: hoping to get a top-crash fix into a nightly
# [06:16] <philor> sure, that's what they all say
# [06:16] <philor> also, how on earth could the no-e4x pref and the stuff with it have broken an xpcshell test on 10.5 debug only?
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# [06:26] <jesup> fabrice: that's insane.... and there's not even a bug/enhancement filed on it I can find.
# [06:26] <jesup> cjones: Good - I can't imagine it's by design. I'll file a bug
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# [10:17] <ttaubert> sawrubh: hey
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# [10:18] <sawrubh> ttaubert: yeah, so I just uploaded a patch
# [10:19] <sawrubh> I have a question
# [10:19] <smontagu> is it just me, or is the UI in the latest nightly suddenly very stripped down (LInux)
# [10:19] <smontagu> ?
# [10:19] <sawrubh> but if you could just take a quick look on the patch, you'll be (I think in a better context) to answer the question
# [10:19] <smontagu> e.g. no Persona
# [10:19] <sawrubh> ttaubert: so do you want to see that or should I just shoot the question :P
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# [10:24] <ttaubert> sawrubh: um just ask and I have a look at the patch
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# [10:25] <sawrubh> so here it goes :). So what is I've basically done in that patch is change the singletons to doubletons, so that they now need to be instantiated
# [10:26] <sawrubh> but since there can be many instances, and some things need to be shared, like the list of Links,pinnedLinks etc.
# [10:26] <sawrubh> so I have made some shared singletons to which all these instances refer to.
# [10:26] <sawrubh> like gLinksShared etc.
# [10:27] <ttaubert> I see
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# [10:28] <sawrubh> so now another problem has come up, that now when a call to |populateCache| is made in Links class for example
# [10:28] <sawrubh> then it fails(times out)
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# [10:29] <sawrubh> I told Josh about this and he said that the current method won't work because currently each of the instances can have their own |_addObservers| which can callback
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# [10:29] <sawrubh> on all the links etc.
# [10:30] <darktrojan> smontagu, seems ok to me
# [10:31] <sawrubh> so he told me that I need to move the |_addObserver| to the shared component so that each of the Instances can refer to this rather than each
# [10:31] <sawrubh> of the N instances having their own N callbacks
# [10:31] <smontagu> darktrojan: did you have a persona? it's possible that that's the only difference, it's not easy to tell
# [10:31] <darktrojan> no, but I added one ok
# [10:31] <smontagu> (my visual memory being a bit impressionistic)
# [10:32] <ttaubert> sawrubh: hm I need to take a deeper look at your patch, it seems
# [10:32] <sawrubh> but while doing an |Services.obs.addObserver(...)| it requires a reference to the list of Links(in the case of Links) so that the observer can be attached to them
# [10:32] <sawrubh> so I need a list of all the instances, which I can't figure out how to do.
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# [10:32] <sawrubh> ttaubert: yes I think that would be good.
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# [10:35] <ttaubert> sawrubh: will do that today
# [10:35] <darktrojan> I wish I had a way to tie a scratchpad to a specific tab
# [10:35] <sawrubh> ttaubert: ok np :)
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# [10:37] <Ms2ger> Morning, edmorley
# [10:38] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good morning :-)
# [10:38] <sawrubh> ttaubert: one thing suppose there were no changes(that is everything is a singleton), then when calling |this._addObserver| on the Links or any other singleton, what would |Services.obs.addObserver(this, "browser:purge-session-history", true)|, do.
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# [10:39] <sawrubh> ttaubert: I mean it's not doing a call to |observe| method of Links, what is being done, is the addObserver attaching something to the Links singleton ?
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# [10:39] <Ms2ger> nsresult rv;
# [10:39] <Ms2ger> if (NS_FAILED(rv)) return rv;
# [10:39] <Ms2ger> Fun
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# [10:39] <Ms2ger> And not even editor/
# [10:39] <darktrojan> me?
# [10:40] <Ms2ger> netwerk/
# [10:40] <janv_> Ms2ger: that was introduced by nsILocalFile removal
# [10:40] <darktrojan> I removed one of those in netwerk
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# [10:40] <darktrojan> I put it there too though
# [10:40] <Ms2ger> Yeah, that was the one I was
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# [10:40] <darktrojan> shoot the reviewer :)
# [10:42] <darktrojan> actually don't, jdm should get a medal for even reading that patch
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# [10:42] <sawrubh> ttaubert: please comment on the bug if you have any suggestions about the problem. Thanks.
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# [10:44] <ttaubert> sawrubh: sure
# [10:45] <edmorley> !seen longsonr
# [10:45] <firebot> longsonr was last seen 41 weeks, 12 hours, 14 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying 'hi I'm trying to install Firefox 6 on an Asus running Android. It just goes to waiting to install and gets stuck. Other (smaller) apps do install. Any ideas?' in #developers.
# [10:45] <sawrubh> ttaubert: and could you answer the simple question(unrelated to the bug) that I've asked
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# [10:45] <sawrubh> ttaubert: above ^^
# [10:46] <darktrojan> good luck with that, edmorley
# [10:47] <edmorley> indeed
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# [10:52] <mounir> smaug: ping
# [10:52] <Ms2ger> It's not even noon there
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# [10:53] <mounir> Ms2ger: I know, I'm being a bit hard with him :(
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# [10:55] <@smaug> mounir: pong
# [10:55] <@smaug> hey, I'm awake
# [10:56] <@smaug> so, hmm, has anyone from layout or gfx team profiled tbpl logs
# [10:56] <_AtilA_> (you are Cylons, I'm pretty sure)
# [10:56] <mounir> smaug: I wanted to know if you had any ETA with the inputmode feature sr
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# [10:56] <mounir> I got those students working on the next steps of the features (IME taking the attribute into account)
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# [10:56] <@smaug> ahaa
# [10:57] <mounir> I would prefer to get feedback sooner than later to prevent them working for nothing
# [10:57] <@smaug> I would have said next week
# [10:57] <@smaug> but perhaps I should do it sooner
# [10:57] <edmorley> smaug: as in opening the large logs hanging Nightly? I've been meaning to file a bug for it, can do so if that helps?
# [10:57] <mounir> you can also just trust me and sr on my behalf :)
# [10:57] <Ms2ger> mounir, nuh-uh
# [10:57] <@smaug> mounir: inputmode isn't in any spec, right?
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# [10:57] <mounir> smaug: it was in webforms 2
# [10:57] <mounir> and has been requested many times obviously
# [10:58] <mounir> comment 0 in the bug explains that
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# [10:58] <mounir> there are real use cases for it I believe
# [10:58] <darktrojan> mounir, when did we stop hiding input placeholder text on focus?
# [10:58] <@smaug> well, I need to understand why it isn't in the spec now
# [10:58] <@smaug> there was possibly some reason why Hixie removed it
# [10:58] <mounir> darktrojan: bug 673873
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# [10:59] <darktrojan> that long ago
# [10:59] <darktrojan> I must not have updated for some time
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# [11:00] <darktrojan> mounir, I was confused by it at first, but I like it
# [11:00] <mounir> darktrojan: you can thank fryn ;)
# [11:00] <darktrojan> ok
# [11:00] <mounir> smaug: afaict, Hixie isn't against the feature
# [11:00] <darktrojan> thanks fryn
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# [11:01] <glandium> looks like i need a clobber
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# [11:02] <@smaug> mounir: so, I don't understand
# [11:03] <@smaug> there is only one valid value, numeric
# [11:03] <@smaug> or perhaps "" is also valid
# [11:03] <mounir> smaug: for the moment, there is only numeric
# [11:04] <mounir> because it seems to be the strongest use case and the least debatable
# [11:04] <@smaug> mounir: so how do I set inputmode to default?
# [11:04] <@smaug> input.inputmode = ""; ?
# [11:04] <mounir> yes
# [11:04] <mounir> or inputmode = "unknownvalue"
# [11:05] <mounir> it's an enum (as in HTML5 enums)
# [11:05] <mounir> with the default value being ""
# [11:05] <mounir> we could add inputmode="autocapitalization" for example
# [11:05] <mounir> or stuff like that
# [11:05] <mounir> but that might be more debatable I believe
# [11:05] <@roc> wouldn't it make more sense for authors to use "pattern" and deduce the inputmode from the pattern and the current contents and the caret position?
# [11:06] <mounir> roc: first, pattern should be used very carefully because it breaks all semantic (no software can read @pattern and guess something easily)
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# [11:06] <mounir> roc: and we need inputmode for IME
# [11:06] <mounir> like <input name='creditcardnumber' inputmode='number'>
# [11:06] <@roc> what do you mean "breaks all semantic"?
# [11:07] <mounir> it's only a hint for the IME to show a number thing
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# [11:07] <mounir> roc: <input type='email'> and <input pattern='.*@.*\.[^.]*'> are the same regarding validation
# [11:07] <mounir> but you want the UA to understand you are looking for an email
# [11:08] <mounir> (the same minusing my wrong repexp)
# [11:08] <mounir> for example, <input type='email'> can autocomplete with emails from your contact list
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# [11:12] <Yoric> khuey|away: ping
# [11:12] <@smaug> mounir: why the default is ""
# [11:12] <@smaug> and not "default"
# [11:13] <@smaug> or "unknown"
# [11:13] <mounir> smaug: because it feels more convenient
# [11:13] <mounir> smaug: you don't want to specify any inputmode so you just put inputmode=''
# [11:13] <mounir> but I believe we can debate on this later can't we?
# [11:13] <@roc> I'm still not following. For credit card numbers you could use <input type="number">
# [11:14] <@smaug> mounir: you're adding a new non-spec'ed property to input element...
# [11:14] <glandium> great, looks like the clobberer doesn't work...
# [11:14] <@smaug> mounir: so it isn't like we can put whatever we want there
# [11:14] <mounir> roc: that would show a spinner control
# [11:14] <Ms2ger> roc, no, you wouldn't use <input type="number"> for credit card numbers
# [11:14] <mounir> I doubt someone wants that
# [11:15] <@roc> I thought type="number" supported all kinds of numbers including floating point
# [11:15] <Ms2ger> Yes, numbers
# [11:15] <mounir> smaug: my plan was to have this basic implementation, gets back to the whatwg and say we have something and want to go fordward
# [11:15] <Ms2ger> But not things that just look like numbers
# [11:15] <@smaug> mounir: perhaps default should be "auto"
# [11:15] <mounir> and we could make the feature Aurora and Nightly only
# [11:15] <@smaug> mounir: ok
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# [11:15] <mounir> it can be moz prefixed too
# [11:15] <edmorley> glandium: bug 756532
# [11:15] <edmorley> glandium: on inbound, you have to clobber in bits
# [11:16] * @smaug reads through some more discussion about inputmode
# [11:16] <@roc> well then, <input type="text" pattern="[0-9]*">
# [11:16] <glandium> edmorley: how big bits ?
# [11:16] <mounir> roc: but then, the UA will never know it has to show a number kind of virtual keyboard
# [11:16] <@roc> sure it can
# [11:16] <@roc> because wherever the caret is and whatever the input control value is, the only valid character to input is a digit
# [11:16] <edmorley> glandium: two halves should do
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# [11:17] <edmorley> somewhat tautologous, but hey
# [11:17] <mounir> roc: and what do we do for? <input type="text" pattern="[0-9]*[A-E][A-E]">
# [11:17] <mounir> it will show a number vkb and switch automatically to a regular vkb?
# [11:18] <mounir> and also for an a11y pov, i think having inputmode='number' would be helpful
# [11:18] <@roc> what do you want the behavior to be in that case?
# [11:18] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping
# [11:18] * Ms2ger goes for "use a laptop instead"
# [11:19] <mounir> roc: in the case of pattern="[0-9]*[A-E][A-E]", a regular vkb would be enough
# [11:19] <mounir> Ms2ger: and what if you have some disabilities?
# [11:19] <@roc> well then
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# [11:20] <@roc> it's relatively easy to identify regexps that can accept only digits
# [11:20] <@roc> so do that and select the vkb accordingly
# [11:20] <Ms2ger> mounir, such as? I'm not really seeing in what case this would help
# [11:21] <mounir> Ms2ger: better hint on what is expected to be entered
# [11:21] <glandium> edmorley: the *spidermonkey* ones are builds that only do js/src, right?
# [11:21] <Ms2ger> <label>Credit card number <input></label>
# [11:21] <ttaubert> Yoric: hi
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# [11:22] <mounir> Ms2ger: indeed, when it's done correctly
# [11:22] <mounir> ok, you will tell me those you don't do it correctly will not use inputmode :D
# [11:22] <Ms2ger> Yes :)
# [11:22] <Ms2ger> Though they may, with the mobile craze
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# [11:22] <mounir> indeed
# [11:22] <mounir> I like when each part of the discussion find arguments for the other part ;)
# [11:23] <mounir> roc: that would solve the number case but the idea is to have inputmode be used for other cases
# [11:23] <mounir> like the autocapitalize Apple added to <input>
# [11:23] <mounir> we could have <input inputmode='autocapitalize'>
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# [11:24] <@smaug> it would be great if we could identify regexps which accept only digits. Then you could show the right kind of keyboard even on pages which are designed for desktop
# [11:24] <@roc> I bet I can come up with a regexp approach to that :-)
# [11:25] <Ms2ger> mounir, though, not having used any a11y software, I still think they would be fine even if I threw out the label there
# [11:25] <mounir> roc: I guess you will agree that would be ugly to request pages to use @pattern for that :)
# [11:25] <darktrojan> yo dawg, I heard you like regexps so I put a regexp in your regexp
# [11:25] <@roc> We could just determine, at each moment, what the set of allowable characters you can type is. If it's entirely in the set of things in a particular vkb page, then show that vkb page.
# [11:26] <mounir> smaug: we could do that in addition but I doubt there are that many pages using pattern out there
# [11:26] <@smaug> mounir: there are no pages using inputmode
# [11:26] <@roc> mounir: I dunno. is it less ugly to have 50 different inputmodes and ask the author to pick the right one and scream if their use-case isn't on the list?
# [11:26] <mounir> roc: for the case of 'number' it's kind of a constraint but for the case capitalization, I doubt it is, it's just to make the user's like easier
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# [11:27] <@roc> the capitalization works by switching between upper-case and lower-case vkb pages automatically, right? like Android does for text messaging?
# [11:27] <mounir> yep
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# [11:28] <@roc> I guess if it's just a hint, then pattern doesn't work
# [11:29] <@roc> but it's still not appealing to have a fixed set of hint rules that authors can't extend
# [11:30] <cjones> you can check the order of the alternation in the pattern
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# [11:30] <@smaug> inputmode = auto | numeric | pattern ...
# [11:30] <mounir> roc: inputhint="[A-Z].*" ? :)
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# [11:31] <mounir> the thing is, if we try to be clever and read a regexp to guess what we should show we will still only show we know we have to check
# [11:31] <@smaug> and if inputmode==pattern, UA could try to use pattern attribute as the hint
# [11:31] <mounir> this is going to make differences in how UA behave and will just push the "only a few sets of stuff" a bit farther
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# [11:41] <@roc> do you have a list of use-cases? I wonder what use-cases are left if you use 'pattern' when it's available
# [11:41] <@roc> and input 'type' when it makes sense
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# [11:44] <mounir> roc: capitalization, as said before
# [11:44] <@roc> other than that?
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# [11:45] <mounir> some ppl suggested email/url/... but I don't really like the idea
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# [11:45] <gabor> anyone knows where can I find this test? /tests/dom/imptests/html/tests/submission/Opera/microdata/test_001.html
# [11:46] <gabor> I guess I'm doing something wrong but just cann't find it nor locally nor on mxr for some reason
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# [11:46] <mounir> roc: xforms has: http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/#mode-values
# [11:46] <mounir> there are multiple capitalization modes I believe (full, none, beginning, title)
# [11:47] <@roc> we've got type=email and type=url so we don't need inputmode for those
# [11:47] <@smaug> gabor: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/imptests/html/tests/submission/Opera/microdata/test_001.html?force=1
# [11:47] <mounir> roc: I agree, I'm just pointing what other proposed
# [11:47] <mounir> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Text_input_keyboard_mode_control (to point the source)
# [11:47] <gabor> smaug: thanks... weird that I couldn't find it
# [11:48] <@smaug> gabor: I searched for the filename test_001.html
# [11:48] <gabor> smaug: yeah, me too...
# [11:48] <gabor> about 10 times...
# [11:49] <@smaug> strange
# [11:49] <@smaug> perhaps mxr was just updated
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# [11:50] <nigelb> roc: Hey, how did you resolve that issue yesterday?
# [11:50] <@roc> what issue?
# [11:51] <nigelb> the one where google wasn't working
# [11:51] <nigelb> I've hit that with twitter today.
# [11:51] <@roc> I didn't
# [11:51] <@roc> my session crashed before I could get all the data Patrick wanted
# [11:51] <nigelb> ah.
# [11:51] <@roc> maybe you can
# [11:51] <@roc> Twitter uses SPDY
# [11:51] <@smaug> yes
# [11:51] <@smaug> at least for some things
# [11:52] <@roc> bug 762025
# [11:52] <@smaug> and they did have a bug in their server at some point
# [11:52] <@roc> nigelb: can you connect in a debugger and enable HTTP logging? It's a little tricky
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# [11:52] <nigelb> roc: I'm on a mac. what debugging options do I have?
# [11:52] <@roc> gdb
# [11:53] <@roc> used it?
# [11:53] <nigelb> once before. But not very good at it.
# [11:53] <mounir> roc, smaug: I see two options here: we believe we might use that so we push something limited to Aurora/Nightly (even prefixed) and try to have a talk with other vendors on whatwg about the features or we do the talk before pushing because we strongly thing inputmode isn't the best suited solution
# [11:53] <mounir> if you two agree for the later solution, I will follow your lead
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# [11:54] <nigelb> roc: all the instructions for logging start with "make sure firefox is not running" :(
# [11:55] <@roc> no problem
# [11:55] <@roc> nigelb: first connect with "gdb -p <pid>"
# [11:55] <@roc> oh, I hope your build has symbols!
# [11:56] <nigelb> this is one from nightly.mozilla.org
# [11:56] <nigelb> Pretty it's not a debug build.
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# [11:57] <@roc> no symbol server for Mac builds?
# [11:57] <NeilAway> darktrojan: nice work with the nsI(Local)File complex pref
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# [11:59] <nigelb> ee/ws 34
# [11:59] <nigelb> gag
# [11:59] <nigelb> gah
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# [11:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7e4c2abb9fc9 - Luke Wagner - Bug 762105 - Fix increment on formal parameters aliased by the arguments object (r=dvander)
# [12:00] <nigelb> roc: okay, now I understand what you mean.
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# [12:01] <nigelb> roc: I guess I should fetch symbols before attaching gdb?
# [12:01] <@roc> if you can, yes
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# [12:05] <edmorley> luke: going to retrigger nightlies on m-c tip, if you haven't?
# [12:05] <edmorley> (don't want to double up)
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# [12:06] <luke> edmorley: i haven't
# [12:06] <edmorley> cool
# [12:06] <luke> edmorley: but that sounds great
# [12:06] <luke> edmorley: i didn't even know mere developers had such powers
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# [12:07] <edmorley> luke: you can via the buildapi (linked from tbpl); there are some caveats with builds/snippet generation racing if triggered too closely together
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# [12:09] <nigelb> How do I get the build ID?
# [12:09] <nigelb> er, of firefox.
# [12:09] <nigelb> on Mac
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# [12:10] <edmorley> nigelb: do you mean the changeset from which it was built?
# [12:11] <@roc> about:buildconfig?
# [12:11] <nigelb> edmorley: I want to download the symbols for aurora before trying to get debugging information for a bug.
# [12:11] <nigelb> the symbol server url seems to be symbols.mozilla.org/{lowercased:Name}/{lowercased:Name}-{Version}-{Platform}-{BuildID}-symbols.txt
# [12:12] <nigelb> and I'm trying to find {BuildID}
# [12:12] <edmorley> oh, not sure, sorry
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# [12:13] <nigelb> ha. found it.
# [12:13] <nigelb> Hrm
# [12:13] <nigelb> Couldn't read symbol index at symbols.mozilla.org/firefox/firefox/firefox-14.0a2-Darwin-20120604042007-macosx64-symbols.txt
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# [12:14] <nigelb> argh
# [12:15] <sawrubh> jdm: ping
# [12:15] <jdm> sawrubh: yo
# [12:15] <sawrubh> jdm: :)
# [12:16] <nigelb> roc: w00t. downloading :) (that was fun figuring out)
# [12:16] <sawrubh> jdm: before we made the changes, the Services.obs.addObs... was adding an observer to the entire Links singleton ?
# [12:16] <jdm> yes
# [12:17] <jdm> so the observer for AllPages doesn't look hard to fix
# [12:17] <jdm> we can easily move that into the singleton and apply the callback to the shared private and public pages
# [12:17] <jdm> and we can move _enabled into the shared data as well
# [12:18] <jdm> unfortunately the links are funky
# [12:19] <gfritzsche> hm, is an incremental upgrade process a la 10.x -> 12.x -> 13.x on OS X intentional
# [12:19] <sawrubh> jdm: but isn't attaching an observer to just a list(what we plan to do in AllPages) and a singleton different ?
# [12:20] <jdm> sawrubh: I'm not sure what you mean. I recommending making the AllPages shared data object the only observer for the AllPages case
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# [12:20] <darktrojan> edmorley, two nightlies why?
# [12:21] <edmorley> bug 762105
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# [12:21] * edmorley changes topic to 'Zimbra issues: Bug 762105 || Next uplift for Fx16: 2012-07-16 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [12:22] <darktrojan> it got picked as the ordinary nightly anyway
# [12:22] <edmorley> oh
# [12:22] <edmorley> that's late
# [12:22] * darktrojan actually wondered if he should've triggered one on his push earlier
# [12:22] <glandium> nigelb: you have one firefox too many: http://symbols.mozilla.org/firefox/firefox-14.0a2-Darwin-20120604042007-macosx64-symbols.txt
# [12:23] <edmorley> the nightly script isn't picking all green pushes any more?!
# [12:23] * darktrojan shrugs
# [12:23] <glandium> nigelb: note that the script from http://hg.mozilla.org/users/jwatt_jwatt.org/fetch-symbols/ should work
# [12:23] * edmorley cancels the second nightly
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# [12:25] <jdm> sawrubh: here's my current line of thought:
# [12:25] <darktrojan> NeilAway, thanks, I try not to break things
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# [12:26] <jdm> move Links._provider into the shared data, and make a private provider and public provider
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# [12:27] <jdm> move the body of populateCache into a populateCache method in the shared object
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# [12:28] <jdm> add a boolean argument that indicates private/public that is used to explicitly choose the callbacks/provider/links
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# [12:28] <sawrubh> jdm: one question, why do you want to move |AllPages._enabled| to the shared object ?
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# [12:28] <alexdmt> hi guys when I launch the reftest from mozilla-central I find a lot of errors (some tests don't pass). is this normal ?
# [12:28] <sawrubh> it already accessed
# [12:29] <sawrubh> a global pref
# [12:29] <jdm> sawrubh: because then we can avoid any need to have multiple observers for AllPages
# [12:29] <jdm> if we don't move it, we have to update every AllPAges object that exists
# [12:30] <sawrubh> jdm: ok, sounds good
# [12:31] <jdm> sawrubh: I also came across some more changes we'll need to make to properly support per-window stuff, so I'll document those in the bug
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# [12:31] <sawrubh> jdm: sure.
# [12:32] <jdm> sawrubh: by the way, the reason addObserver isn't working is that you need to move the XPCOMUtils.generateQI from the prototypes to the shared data objects
# [12:32] <pippin> is there a page somewhere that documents the state of affairs wrt doing more proper typography for print/pdf, perhaps along the lines or beyond of what one can do with princexml.com ?
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# [12:34] <AryehGregor> How can I delete the top currently-applied patch in mq, so that it's just untracked changes to the working directory (like git reset --mixed)?
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# [12:35] <Ms2ger> hg qref -X "*"
# [12:35] <Ms2ger> Though that will leave an empty patch
# [12:35] <Ms2ger> Hrm
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# [12:36] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/imptests/testharnessreport.js?mark=118-118#106 < where is 'is' defined?
# [12:42] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, ask mxr :)
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# [12:43] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, um . . . SimpleTest.js, which isn't included? :)
# [12:44] <Ms2ger> Good that we don't hit it :)
# [12:44] <AryehGregor> Hardly matters, it will just throw an exception. Works for me, right?
# [12:44] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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# [12:51] <AryehGregor> So we don't use std::pair or anything like it, and to return two PRUint32s I have to use out params? Sad.
# [12:51] <@roc> or a struct
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# [12:52] <AryehGregor> Well, std::pair basically is a struct, but it seems a bit silly to have to make a new struct every time I want to return a pair of values.
# [12:52] <AryehGregor> Define a new type of struct, I mean.
# [12:53] <AryehGregor> I guess I could give nicer names than .first and .second anyway.
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# [12:54] <Ms2ger> Or add a mozilla::pair :)
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# [12:57] <@roc> having nicer names than "first" and "second" is a definite win
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# [12:58] <AryehGregor> But lack of familiarity is a big loss. Everyone is going to have to look at my struct definition to make sure it's really just a pair of values and nothing more.
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# [12:58] <AryehGregor> If it's defined just for this method.
# [12:58] <alexdmt> roc: The ascent problem is now solved and everything seems to work. I'm running all the reftest in mozilla-central (without my patch) and it returns several errors. Is it normal ? Should I ignore these errors ?
# [12:58] <alexdmt> roc: btw thank you for your help yesterday :)
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# [12:59] <@roc> most likely it is not normal
# [12:59] <@roc> do you have tryserver access?
# [12:59] <AryehGregor> If I have an nsISelection, is it actually going to be possible for any of the following steps to fail? 1) QI to nsISelectionPrivate. 2) Call GetFrameSelection() on the result of that. 3) Call GetSelection() on the result of that.
# [12:59] <@roc> you could try running with and without your patch and see if your patch makes more errors
# [13:00] <alexdmt> hm no I ran " make -C obj_dir/ reftest "
# [13:00] <alexdmt> maybe I should try server access
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# [13:01] <@roc> Ms2ger: is the usage of the term "DOM API" for absolutely any browser API exposed to JS just colloquial, or is it embraced in standards?
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# [13:01] <alexdmt> roc: yes it is exactly what I am doing atm
# [13:01] <@roc> ah
# [13:01] <@roc> yes it's normal for reftests to have failures locally that don't show up on try server
# [13:02] <alexdmt> roc: ok fine I'll try thanks
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# [13:06] <cjones> roc, i was curious about that myself last year
# [13:06] <cjones> AFAICT it originated with netscape
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# [13:07] <cjones> which made some totally non-DOM-related JS APIs that got marked "DOM0"
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# [13:08] <cjones> that doesn't exactly answer your question, i guess
# [13:09] <@roc> I thought I'd ask an editor of a real DOM spec :-)
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# [13:11] <gcp> interesting rumor:
# [13:11] <gcp> https://twitter.com/securityerrata/status/210550374627676160
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# [13:12] <Ms2ger> roc, you mean something like "The term DOM is used to refer to the API set made available to scripts in Web applications, and does not necessarily imply the existence of an actual Document object or of any other Node objects as defined in the DOM Core specifications."?
# [13:12] <@roc> yes that
# [13:12] <@roc> where is that?
# [13:13] <@roc> gcp: ho ho ho
# [13:13] <AryehGregor> Lots of places, it seems.
# [13:13] <@roc> these days I just tell the people I meet that there is no such thing as computer security
# [13:13] <Ms2ger> Hixie started it, I think
# [13:13] <nemo> huh. that was odd
# [13:13] <nemo> I went back twice. overshot. hit forward once...
# [13:13] <nemo> and ended up on my last page
# [13:14] <nemo> hit back again. and the intermediate page had vanished
# [13:14] <@roc> Ms2ger: thanks
# [13:14] <nemo> A->B->C <- <- A -> C <- A ??
# [13:14] <Ms2ger> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_storage
# [13:14] <nemo> checking history, looks like B vanished
# [13:14] <@smaug> nemo: that sure is possible
# [13:14] <@smaug> depending on how pages are created
# [13:15] <@roc> gcp: when I learned that Flame has a Microsoft certificate that it uses to spoof Windows updates, I figured it was all over
# [13:15] <nemo> smaug: intranet. typed in slashdot.org. clicked on a story, hit back twice, intranet. hit forward. on story. slashdot.org had vanished
# [13:15] <@smaug> nemo: http://mozilla.pettay.fi/moztests/history2/Start.html is an example
# [13:15] <@roc> I feel for VUPEN though, couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of criminals
# [13:15] <nemo> smaug: slashdot.org appears to use standard links for pages. also, I have NoScript running so no javascript history tricks
# [13:16] <@smaug> (Note, Gecko does nowadays the same as IE with that testcase)
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# [13:16] <@smaug> nemo: ah, no javascript
# [13:16] <Ms2ger> https://twitter.com/quuxbaz/status/210555245233848320
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# [13:17] <darktrojan> myspace has money?
# [13:17] <@roc> that's mean
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# [13:22] <Ms2ger> roc, well, isn't myspace the place for mean teenage girls? :)
# [13:23] <@roc> how would I know?
# [13:23] <Ms2ger> I dunno, aren't you one? :)
# [13:23] <@roc> you caught me
# [13:24] <gcp> roc: the Flame thing seems to have been an MD5 collision attack
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# [13:24] <@roc> oh really
# [13:24] <nigelb> glandium: Thanks. It took me a minute to get that and I got it working :)
# [13:24] <gcp> http://blogs.technet.com/b/srd/archive/2012/06/06/more-information-about-the-digital-certificates-used-to-sign-the-flame-malware.aspx
# [13:25] <@roc> it's devastating however they did it
# [13:26] <AryehGregor> Why do ranges use PRInt32 instead of PRUint32?
# [13:27] * Ms2ger blames DOM2 in this channel too
# [13:27] <nemo> md5 cert collisions. haven't there been demonstrated versions of those like 5 years ago?
# [13:27] <nemo> why was microsoft still using that?
# [13:27] <@roc> generally signed integers are a bit safer than unsigned
# [13:28] <@roc> so if you don't need the full range and don't plan to overflow, signed is better
# [13:28] <nemo> hm. admittedly, the Flame malware is pretty old too, but still
# [13:28] <gcp> Probably Microsoft isn't using that, but still accepts it for legacy compat.
# [13:28] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, do we have a bug open for that?
# [13:28] <Ms2ger> roc, so, doesn't https://twitter.com/rocallahan count as a social network?
# [13:28] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, I don't think so
# [13:29] <nemo> gcp: well that's pretty silly for what is an internal licensing process
# [13:29] <AryehGregor> Do we want to change it to that?
# [13:29] <@roc> Ms2ger: I like to think not
# [13:29] <nemo> gcp: you only need one algorithm for that
# [13:29] <Ms2ger> I'd like that :)
# [13:29] <nemo> gcp: also. looks like the MD5 attack was only to extend it to vista too, apparently the flaw in the term services thing made the cert work fine on XP
# [13:29] <@roc> Ms2ger: I think that, given I've never tweeted, I should be off the hook. I only created it for testing.
# [13:30] <Ms2ger> Good excuse ;)
# [13:30] <nemo> gcp: overall, pretty sloppy. conspiracy theorist I guess would claim MS did it on purpose to help some intelligence agency out, but it isn't like MS has that great a record on security
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# [13:31] <gcp> Probably Occam's razor applies.
# [13:31] <gcp> Or "dont attribute to malice whatever can be attributed to stupidity", whoever said that
# [13:31] <nemo> hanlon
# [13:31] <nemo> I think
# [13:32] <nemo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
# [13:32] <Ms2ger> Occam is simplicity, no?
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# [13:33] <glandium> roc: btw, you'll be happy to know that closing a linkedin account doesn't remove one's public profile... i closed my account and i can still see my public profile
# [13:33] <glandium> Ms2ger: yes
# [13:33] <@roc> well, I've done all I can
# [13:34] * AryehGregor admittedly belongs to Google+, but hasn't used it as such for months
# [13:35] <AryehGregor> It's all tied into everything else Google does, though . . . I think that I have to enable Google+ to have a profile picture show up in Google Groups, for example.
# [13:35] * Ms2ger isn't allowed on Google+
# [13:35] <AryehGregor> Which I don't want to do because I use my aryeh.name address for Google Groups and already have a Google+ account for my gmail.com account, and I don't want people confusing them.
# [13:35] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, what, do they still have that "no weird names" policy?
# [13:36] <Ms2ger> I guess so
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# [13:40] <AryehGregor> roc, unsigned has the advantage that you only need one comparison to validate it, not two. Or zero comparisons instead of one, if there's really no upper bound to what makes sense.
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# [13:41] * AryehGregor changes stuff to PRInt32 in this case because it looks like the path of least resistance
# [13:42] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: we need an anti-social network where you can hang out with timeless, alice, moz_bug_r_a4 etc.
# [13:42] <Ms2ger> fantasai? :)
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# [13:48] <AryehGregor> At link time, after adding a new function to nsContentUtils.cpp and nsContentUtils.h, I get this error: /mnt/extra/checkouts/mozilla-central/editor/libeditor/text/nsTextEditRules.cpp:1247: undefined reference to `nsContentUtils::GetSelectionInTextControl(nsTypedSelection*, mozilla::dom::Element*, int&, int&)'
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> For every call site.
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> What does that mean and how do I fix it?
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# [13:49] <Ms2ger> Patch?
# [13:49] <AryehGregor> It's pretty big.
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# [13:50] <Ms2ger> It looks like you didn't implement it
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# [13:50] <@smaug> AryehGregor: you haven't actually implemented the method?
# [13:51] <AryehGregor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1028444/
# [13:51] <AryehGregor> (that's actually slightly different from the patch that didn't compile, I'm waiting to see if this compiles)
# [13:51] <@smaug> AryehGregor: you're missing nsContentUtils::
# [13:51] <AryehGregor> D'oh.
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# [13:53] <Ms2ger> Yeah :/
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# [13:57] <AryehGregor> Hmm, you review cleanup patches. I should have guessed. :)
# [13:57] <AryehGregor> What's the point of DONTBUILD, generally?
# [13:57] <darktrojan> it's doesn't build
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# [13:57] <Ms2ger> "Blame the next guy if I break something"
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# [14:03] <AryehGregor> 14 files changed, 177 insertions(+), 249 deletions(-)
# [14:03] <AryehGregor> \o/
# [14:03] <darktrojan> is that all?
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# [14:04] <darktrojan> :)
# [14:04] <darktrojan> ++ for getting rid of code though
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# [14:15] <Ms2ger> Speaking of createContextualFragment
# [14:15] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, does http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1657835 look good to you?
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# [14:16] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: yes
# [14:16] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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# [14:17] <Fallen> Ms2ger: why does title=parser-inserted not have quotes and title="already started" have quotes?
# [14:17] <Fallen> oh spaces duh
# [14:17] <Ms2ger> Because the latter ... Yes
# [14:17] <Fallen> My mind played tricks on me and inserted a -
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# [14:18] <pixman> http://cairographics.org/releases/ there's a new libpixman 0.26.0, the last time libpixman was updated was in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746695
# [14:18] <Ms2ger> Please file a bug :)
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# [14:20] <pixman> jrmuizel please update Firefox to latest libpixman 0.26.0 if possible
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# [14:20] <jrmuizel> pixman: is there an urgent reason to update?
# [14:21] <pixman> no idea, I just thought it was best to keep up to date with upstream
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# [14:24] <froydnj_> AryehGregor: even if you're validating a signed int (lower <= foo && foo < upper), the compiler can turn that into a single unsinged comparison
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# [14:25] <AryehGregor> froydnj_, well, I was thinking more of the source code than the machine code. (But out of curiosity, how?)
# [14:26] <@roc> I wish we'd rationalize our selection classes a bit
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# [14:26] <@roc> I don't even know what nsTypedSelection means
# [14:26] <AryehGregor> roc, I wish that too, since it takes like fifteen lines of code to get an nsTypedSelection from an nsISelection, and most stuff seems to like returning an nsISelection.
# [14:27] <vikash> Example for CSS3 transition -> http://thimbletest.org/p/dbf
# [14:27] <AryehGregor> roc, nsTypedSelection is to nsISelection(Private) as nsRange is to nsIDOMRange. It's the thing you use if you want sane, non-XPCOM methods that don't return nsresult and use out params for everything.
# [14:27] <lahabana> hey for commiter's agreement if I do it as a photograph if there's a little space around the sheet is it a real problem?
# [14:27] <Ms2ger> lahabana, not at all
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# [14:29] <AryehGregor> Why "Typed"? Not the faintest clue.
# [14:29] <lahabana> ok thx
# [14:29] <AryehGregor> Maybe we can rename it to nsSelection.
# [14:29] <AryehGregor> It's in nsSelection.cpp . . .
# [14:29] <@roc> yeah
# [14:29] <Ms2ger> If you're going to rename it, put it in a namespace?
# [14:29] <AryehGregor> Which namespace?
# [14:29] <@roc> then there's nsFrameSelection, and I don't know why that's called that either
# [14:30] <@roc> selection really shouldn't have anything to do with frames
# [14:30] <@roc> mozilla::
# [14:30] <Ms2ger> mozilla::dom:: ;)
# [14:30] <@roc> thank goodness Mats moved most of the selection state out of the frame system
# [14:30] <AryehGregor> It's defined in layout/.
# [14:30] <AryehGregor> Not content/.
# [14:30] <AryehGregor> Still dom?
# [14:30] <@roc> which is a mistake
# [14:30] <AryehGregor> True.
# [14:30] <AryehGregor> Move it at the same time as renaming it?
# [14:30] <AryehGregor> :)
# [14:31] <@roc> dom:: is dumb
# [14:31] <@roc> mostly
# [14:31] <Ms2ger> mozilla:: is dumb :)
# [14:31] <AryehGregor> So we should just use mozilla::Element and such?
# [14:31] <Ms2ger> roc thinks so, I don't :)
# [14:31] <AryehGregor> Well, mozilla:: is okay as long as everything uses it so we don't have to notice it. Then it's fairly harmless.
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# [14:31] <@roc> I would have but I wouldn't bother changing it now
# [14:31] <@roc> right
# [14:31] <AryehGregor> So mozilla::Selection, then.
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# [14:35] <Optimizer> when I set the preference for inlineautocomplete to false, then I cannot open the location bar drop down popup via the triangle on the right of location bar
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# [14:40] <@smaug> why it is so hard to follow the coding style
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# [14:40] <@smaug> even in simple cases
# [14:41] <froydnj_> AryehGregor: basic idea for lower and upper constants in the above is compute (unsigned)foo - lower <= (upper - lower - 1)
# [14:42] <AryehGregor> froydnj_, you need an extra subtraction there, so why bother? It probably uses an extra register, too. Is the idea to save a conditional jump?
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# [14:43] <AryehGregor> I guess it's shorter assembly, and conditional jumps are very bad. If you have a free register, it makes sense.
# [14:44] <mounir> Ms2ger: sorry about that
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# [15:03] <Ms2ger> edmorley, can you do https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ec7c7be7c70d ?
# [15:04] <edmorley> Ms2ger: done & thank you :-)
# [15:04] <Ms2ger> Np
# [15:04] <Ms2ger> ehsan, so, https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/59ff36c33e69
# [15:05] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: ok
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# [15:05] <Ms2ger> Is that something we can submit?
# [15:06] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: presumably -- there's not much mozilla specific stuff in it
# [15:06] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I use MozReftestInvalidate
# [15:06] <@ehsan> and that should be it...
# [15:06] <@ehsan> hmm
# [15:06] <nigelb> I hadn't realized this symbols thing would take so much time :/
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# [15:07] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I use MozReftestInvalidate in the tests in the _other_ patch
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# [15:08] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: need to get to the office now, talk to you in ~1hr?
# [15:08] <Ms2ger> Sure thing
# [15:08] <@ehsan> cool
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# [15:23] <jlebar> mounir, "*Everything* has to go through try server before being pushed to m-i or m-c."
# [15:23] <jlebar> mounir, That's a funny joke. :)
# [15:25] <mounir> jlebar: coming from Ms2ger, I would bet that would be to make fun of me but from you, I'm not really sure :D
# [15:25] <jlebar> mounir, ha. Not that I disagree in this case, since he's apparently not running the test locally!
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# [15:27] <mounir> running tests locally is only for weak people
# [15:27] <mounir> everybody should know that
# [15:27] <jlebar> mounir, Question is, do I run the full test suite, or do I guess that this test is still in m3?
# [15:27] <mounir> serious devs don't even compile before requesting review
# [15:27] <mounir> ask Ms2ger :)
# [15:27] <jlebar> mounir, Serious devs push to mozilla-release without compiling.
# [15:27] <mounir> jlebar: you can check in latest m-c test suite
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# [15:28] <mounir> mozilla-esr, even?
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# [15:28] <jlebar> mounir, Naw, I don't care about the enterprise.
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# [15:29] <mounir> jlebar: test_browserFrame_keyEvents.html is still in m3 in latest m-c
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# [15:29] <jlebar> mounir, thanks.
# [15:30] <mounir> yw
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# [15:32] <jlebar> gah
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# [15:43] <AryehGregor> nsIDOMCharacterData *aElement,
# [15:43] <AryehGregor> Only in editor/.
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# [15:50] <bbondy> ejpbruel: what's up?
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# [15:51] <ejpbruel> bbondy: quick question: "Please add a comment above this line that BI_BITFIELDS only supports 16bpp and 32bpp"
# [15:51] <ejpbruel> shouldnt that be 24bpp?
# [15:52] <bbondy> I think you're right, let me verify
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# [15:54] <bbondy> ejpbruel: no it is 32bpp
# [15:54] <bbondy> 16 and 32
# [15:55] <bbondy> and note that you always add 4 bytes there
# [15:55] <bbondy> so that's why I wanted the comment there
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# [15:56] <ejpbruel> bbondy: oh i see, BI_BITFIELDS implies that bpp != 24?
# [15:56] <bbondy> ejpbruel: right that switch case statement is hit in case 24: and case 32: but since BI_BITFIELDS is always 32bpp and never 24bpp you can safely add 4 bytes.
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# [15:57] <bbondy> (for the input buffer)
# [15:57] <ejpbruel> bbondy: right, do you mind if i word it a bit differently? i didnt understand the comment right away, thats why i came to check
# [15:57] <bbondy> np as long as the point as discussed here gets across
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# [15:59] <bbondy> ejpbruel: by the way just a heads up that this may land before your patch (or may not), but if so you'll probably need to rebase your patch: Bug 761750
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# [16:02] <NeilAway> edmorley: if I wanted to add some debugging code for bug 678726, how many times do you think I would have to trigger the test on try to get a result?
# [16:03] <NeilAway> assuming you can retrigger tests on try
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# [16:03] <ejpbruel> firebot: bug 761750
# [16:03] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761750 nor, --, ---, jgilbert, ASSI, Firefox displays monochrome BMPs in wrong colors
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# [16:04] <ejpbruel> bbondy: um
# [16:04] <edmorley> NeilAway: test retriggers work, just use the blue plus sign like for builds. as for rate of occurrence, does http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/?display=Bug&tree=mozilla-inbound&startday=2012-05-10&endday=2012-06-07&bugid=678726 help?
# [16:05] <ejpbruel> bbondy: wouldnt my BMP encoder patch solve whatever problem this patch solves already?
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# [16:05] <ejpbruel> bbondy: rebase in this context seems to mean: completely override this patch with your own
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# [16:05] <bbondy> ejpbruel: no your imagelib patch doesn't solve this problem. The problem is with <=8 bpp bitmaps with bmpv5 headers
# [16:05] <bbondy> rebase just means if you try to push your patch on an updated trunk it will have some .rej files, and your patch wil need to be fixed before it lands
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# [16:06] <bbondy> both patches fix different things and are both valid.
# [16:06] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i know that, but afaict, all this patch does is allow for larger header sizes? or do i miss something?
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# [16:08] <bbondy> ejpbruel: This patch fixes the case where we consider part of the header to be the color table with a bmpv5 header. We would therefore sometimes have wrong colors in bitmaps with v5 header bmps with bpp<=8. Note that our encoder only supports 24 and 32bpp bmps so you wouldn't have seen this bug.
# [16:09] <bbondy> if you try to load the bmp in that bug with your patches applied you'll see it doesn't fix the problem
# [16:10] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i think i see whats the difference here
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# [16:11] <ejpbruel> bbondy: right, so this new patch actually reads whatever header size is presented to it into mRawBuf
# [16:11] <ejpbruel> not just skipping it
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# [16:12] <bbondy> ejpbruel: ya the skip code is still there but it won't be hit anymore
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# [16:12] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: so what does the test submission process look like?
# [16:12] <bbondy> unless the bmp file happens to have a data offset larger than where it should be
# [16:12] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ok, gotcha, and thanks for the headsup
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# [16:13] <bbondy> np
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# [16:16] <NeilAway> edmorley: hmm, apparently the average is 0.03 per test run :s
# [16:17] <NeilAway> edmorley: is there an easy way to ask for 10 test runs at a time?
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# [16:20] <ejpbruel> bbondy: once i get final r+ for the BMP encoder patch, can i land all these patches myself? i have L3 commit rights, so...
# [16:20] <@khuey> Yoric: pong
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# [16:20] <bbondy> ejpbruel: yes, push to mozilla-inbound
# [16:21] <bbondy> and then someone will pick it up and merge it into m-c
# [16:21] <edmorley> NeilAway: not easily, sorry
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# [16:21] <Yoric> khuey: As per team policy, I am remote-whiping you until you have finished that review :)
# [16:21] <ejpbruel> bbondy: i thought that process was automated? is m-i merged to m-c manually?
# [16:22] <edmorley> ejpbruel: manually
# [16:22] <ejpbruel> cool, i did not know that
# [16:22] <@khuey> Yoric: check your bugmail, I have no reviews in my queue from you
# [16:22] <ejpbruel> jgilbert: hey, sorry if i acted a bit frustrated towards you earlier. i addressed your comments from the previous review.
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# [16:23] <Yoric> khuey: My bad, I should have been after dougt, not after you.
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# [16:24] <ejpbruel> bbondy: new (fallible) doesnt actually compile?
# [16:25] <ejpbruel> i suspect bug 613766
# [16:25] <bbondy> add his before your line that doen't compile static fallible_t fallible = fallible_t();
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# [16:25] <ejpbruel> yeah :)
# [16:26] <espindola> khuey, ping
# [16:26] <bbondy> :)
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# [16:27] <@khuey> espindola: hi
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# [16:28] <espindola> bug 762071 is a build config only change
# [16:28] <espindola> would you be able to take a look today?
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# [16:28] <@khuey> yeah
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# [16:28] <@khuey> espindola: I'm curious what regressed that, if you happen to know
# [16:28] <espindola> awesome, thanks!
# [16:28] <espindola> unfortunately I don't
# [16:29] <@khuey> ok
# [16:29] <espindola> I was benchmarking clang and noticed a call to _Unwind_Resume :-(
# [16:29] <glandium> espindola: what's weird is that, mostly, the js/src/configure.in code is similar to that of configure.in
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# [16:30] <glandium> espindola: and, as a matter of fact, I properly have -frtti in my objdir/js/src/config/autoconf.mk
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# [16:30] <Ms2ger> ehsan, sorry, here now
# [16:30] <@ehsan> np
# [16:30] <espindola> glandium, rtti is handled in a different place from fno-exceptions right now
# [16:31] <espindola> the patch unifies it.
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# [16:32] <glandium> espindola: ah yeah, i was not looking at the right thing
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# [16:33] <Ms2ger> ehsan, they want <link rel="author">, <link rel="help">, <link rel="match"> and probably <meta name="flags" content="dom">
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# [16:33] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: can you point me to an example please?
# [16:33] <espindola> one sec
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# [16:33] <Ms2ger> ehsan, http://wiki.csswg.org/test/format#template-for-new-tests
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# [16:34] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: is the reftest format fine?
# [16:34] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: specifically, my GET param tricks in those tests
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# [16:34] <Ms2ger> Oh, hmm
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# [16:35] <Ms2ger> I dunno :/
# [16:35] <glandium> espindola, khuey: it comes from bug 593768
# [16:35] <espindola> khuey, another interesting question is how we missed a 500 KB size increase in XUL :-(
# [16:35] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: do you know where I should submit them?
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# [16:35] <Ms2ger> http://hg.csswg.org/test/
# [16:36] <espindola> glandium, thanks
# [16:36] <Ms2ger> You can poke someone to get commit access, or I can push
# [16:36] <@ehsan> ok
# [16:36] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I'll try to do this soon...
# [16:36] <glandium> espindola: it's been 8 months :(
# [16:36] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: and I assume there's a review process involved at some point, right?
# [16:36] <@khuey> espindola: not sure that we ever got a replacement for codesighs
# [16:36] <Ms2ger> ehsan, I'm afraid so, yes
# [16:37] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: that's good news in fact :)
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# [16:37] <Ms2ger> Well, it's good news if you can rope people into actually doing the review :)
# [16:38] <@ehsan> oh hrm
# [16:38] <ejpbruel> bbondy: hm, so that doesnt work
# [16:38] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: can't be worse than mozilla now, can it? :)
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# [16:38] <Ms2ger> ehsan, :)
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# [16:39] <ejpbruel> bbondy: static fallible_t fallible = fallible_t(); causes error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'fallible'
# [16:40] <ejpbruel> and then the compiler runs out of heap space :)
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> ehsan, (the issue being that people don't care all that much about CSS2.1 at this point)
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# [16:41] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: so do you think it would be worth the time to invest into submitting these tests then? I mean, I don't really wanna spend a bunch of time to prepare them so that nobody would ever look at them :/
# [16:41] <bbondy> ejpbruel: please see nsBMPEncoder.cpp for example usage
# [16:42] <Ms2ger> ehsan, I'll kick people until they look at them :)
# [16:42] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: ok that's what I wanted to hear :)
# [16:42] <ejpbruel> bbondy: that seems to be identical to what im doing, and the compiler running out of heap space leads me to believe this is a compiler bug
# [16:43] <@ehsan> espindola: ping
# [16:43] <ejpbruel> bbondy: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1657924
# [16:43] <bbondy> ejpbruel: Maybe try pasting your code inside where the other usage is to see if it compiles, then try copying the other code into your file to see if it compiles
# [16:43] <espindola> ehsan, pong
# [16:43] <bbondy> both files are bieng compiled with the same compiler
# [16:44] <@ehsan> espindola: any news on the clang perf regressions by any chance?
# [16:44] <ejpbruel> bbondy: sure, but the same piece of code can compile completely differently depending on context. ive seen issues where template code wouldnt compile in MSVC unless you added some whitespace
# [16:44] <espindola> ehsan, that I found out that we were building with exceptions enabled :-(
# [16:44] <espindola> ehsan, I fixed a correctness problem
# [16:44] <espindola> and I am currently updating clang
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# [16:44] <@ehsan> espindola: WHAT?!?!?!?!
# [16:45] <@ehsan> why did we do that?!
# [16:45] <espindola> ehsan, see the above log
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# [16:45] <espindola> 593768
# [16:45] <espindola> ehsan, but it was both gcc and clang
# [16:45] <espindola> in any case, it also showed some inlining differences, but not significant for performance
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# [16:46] <@ehsan> oh man
# [16:46] <espindola> it looks like at -O3 gcc 4.2 will inline almost everything and unroll every loop
# [16:46] <espindola> the summary is that I am rebuilding with exceptions disabled to compare again
# [16:46] <@ehsan> but clang won't do that, does it?
# [16:46] <@ehsan> I see
# [16:46] <espindola> no, which is part of the reason the dmg is 1 MB smaller :-)
# [16:46] <@ehsan> hehe
# [16:47] <@ehsan> espindola: I should really start following you on bugzilla again :)
# [16:47] <espindola> :-)
# [16:47] <espindola> the sql stuff is "done", so i should not be as noisy
# [16:47] <@ehsan> wait, we don't disable exceptions on windows either?
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# [16:47] <espindola> ehsan, I don't know, how do you do it?
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# [16:48] <espindola> we pass -GR-
# [16:48] <espindola> is that it?
# [16:48] <@ehsan> ah hmm
# [16:48] <@ehsan> if memory serves
# [16:48] <@ehsan> -GR- is for disabling RTTI...
# [16:49] <@ehsan> -GX- disables exceptions
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# [16:49] <espindola> ehsan, looks like it is /EH now..
# [16:49] <espindola> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/d42ws1f6(v=vs.80).aspx
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# [16:50] <@ehsan> oh hrm
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# [16:50] <espindola> ehsan, but we don't pass it
# [16:51] <@ehsan> espindola: yeah
# [16:51] <@ehsan> oh gosh
# [16:51] <@ehsan> how did no-one notice this?
# [16:51] <espindola> so, win32 uses seh, so I don't think you get tables to bloat the binaries
# [16:51] <espindola> but the cfg still gets more complicated
# [16:51] <espindola> (I guess)
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# [16:52] <ejpbruel> bbondy: moving that line to the top level (so not inlining it) gives me a completely different compiler error :(
# [16:52] <ejpbruel> oh wait, hold on
# [16:53] <espindola> ehsan, is no exception the default on msvc?
# [16:53] <espindola> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/1deeycx5(v=vs.80).aspx
# [16:53] <@ehsan> espindola: so if I'm reading http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/1deeycx5%28v=vs.80%29.aspx correctly, not passing anything causes /EHa to take effect
# [16:54] <espindola> catch asynchronous exceptions
# [16:54] <espindola> I wonder if they really mean it
# [16:54] <@ehsan> yeah
# [16:54] <@ehsan> they do
# [16:55] <@ehsan> espindola: that means that catch(...) will catch SEH exceptions as well
# [16:55] <@ehsan> however
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# [16:55] <@ehsan> I don't think any of this makes a difference as long as you don't have try/catches in your code
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# [16:55] <@ehsan> and you're right, our usage of SEH probably means that we shouldn't (or can't) disable them completely
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# [16:59] <espindola> ehsan, http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2011-June/040635.html
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# [16:59] <espindola> if that is the case, disabling async exception should help quiet a bit
# [16:59] <espindola> since they are *really* expensive
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# [17:00] <espindola> ehsan, the document you pointed says " but will not destroy C++ objects that will go out of scope as a result of the exception"
# [17:00] <espindola> which I ready as:
# [17:01] <espindola> you can write try..catch
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# [17:01] <espindola> but the compiler will not handle destructors
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# [17:01] <@ehsan> espindola: well depends on whether you ask the compiler to do that or not
# [17:01] <@ehsan> it won't do it by default
# [17:02] <jlebar> before anyone tells me that I checked in a .orig file -- again, I know :( -- I deleted it in the push which came after.
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# [17:02] <@ehsan> espindola: async exceptions are the default
# [17:02] <@ehsan> espindola: sorry, are _not_
# [17:02] <jlebar> Also, c84a182666fd may need a clobber.
# [17:02] <jlebar> edmorley, ^
# [17:02] <@ehsan> jlebar: how does this happen to you, out of curiosity?
# [17:02] <jlebar> ehsan, git add -a
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# [17:02] <jlebar> after a rebase.
# [17:02] <espindola> ehsan, in other words, the least support for exceptions is to not pass any option, right?
# [17:03] <edmorley> jlebar: thanks
# [17:03] <@ehsan> espindola: correct
# [17:03] <@ehsan> jlebar: that's dangerous, git commit -a is your friend :)
# [17:03] <edmorley> yey for clobbers when the clobber breaks due to bug 756532
# [17:03] <edmorley> (having just clobbered profiling and m-c now too)
# [17:03] <espindola> ehsan, ok, good :-)
# [17:03] <jlebar> ehsan, And, though it's a bad excuse, |git status| was junk because of those .egg files which got added.
# [17:04] <@ehsan> espindola: so does llvm have any support for async exceptions these days?
# [17:04] <espindola> ehsan, as in, for real? no
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# [17:04] <evilpie> it looks like libjemalloc fails to build here
# [17:04] <@ehsan> jlebar: it's not a bad excuse in fact, seeing junk in git status causes you to ignore it -- happens to me all the time
# [17:04] <@ehsan> espindola: sadface
# [17:04] <espindola> as in, in will not run destructors if a signal raises an exception in an arbitrary point in the assembly
# [17:05] <glandium> evilpie: clobber
# [17:05] <espindola> is that what you mean?
# [17:05] <evilpie> :/
# [17:05] <@ehsan> yeah
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# [17:06] <glandium> evilpie: alternative is applying the patch from bug 757339
# [17:06] <@ehsan> lmandel: ping
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# [17:06] <lmandel> ehsan: pong
# [17:06] <@ehsan> lmandel: what should we do about bug 757568? that really worries me...
# [17:06] <espindola> ehsan, what is the use case you have in mind?
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# [17:07] <@ehsan> espindola: cl drop-in replacement ;)
# [17:07] <evilpie> ehsan: i am going to look at bug 677797
# [17:07] <espindola> I am still not convince cl would actually be able to handle this
# [17:07] <espindola> I mean, ada compilers don't :-)
# [17:07] <espindola> it could replace cl for us
# [17:08] <@ehsan> evilpie: cool, iirc bug 694344 was the mystery that caused us to back this out...
# [17:08] <@ehsan> espindola: cl handles this just fine
# [17:08] <evilpie> ehsan: but i want to investigate what the latest emet is doing with it's bottom up randomization
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# [17:09] <@ehsan> evilpie: fwiw, I never looked into EMET...
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# [17:10] <evilpie> they allocate the image at a random image base
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# [17:10] <NeilAway> wait, static faillible_t?
# [17:10] <espindola> ehsan, can it handle cases like
# [17:10] <evilpie> but to really make this work i think we would need to start doing the detouring earlier
# [17:10] <espindola> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2011-June/040663.html
# [17:10] <espindola> ?
# [17:10] <@ehsan> evilpie: isn't that was ASLR does?
# [17:10] <evilpie> yes
# [17:10] <espindola> that is the thread were we decided not to support real async exceptions
# [17:11] <lmandel> ehsan: Reading through the bug it's not clear to me on what channels this is a problem. Is it all channels? Only nightly?
# [17:11] <evilpie> ehsan http://blog.didierstevens.com/2011/09/01/bottom-up-randomization-saves-mandatory-aslr/
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# [17:11] <@ehsan> espindola: nope, that's not what I'm talking about
# [17:12] <@ehsan> espindola: I'm talking about proper unwinding of the C++ stack
# [17:12] <@ehsan> lmandel: so far only Nightly as far as we know, but that's because nobody has tested Aurora
# [17:12] <@ehsan> lmandel: but Nightly itself is bad enough
# [17:12] <espindola> as in, if this call throws, then run the destructors
# [17:12] <AryehGregor> ehsan, so nsTypedSelection is the only thing that implements nsISelection. Is it possible to just do something like static_cast<nsTypedSelection>(selection.get()) or something to get at the real object?
# [17:12] <espindola> I think it has some support for the win64 format
# [17:12] <ejpbruel> bbondy: problem solved :) that compiler error was hiding a namespace error
# [17:12] <espindola> but I don't think for seh
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# [17:13] * AryehGregor suspects this shouldn't be hard for someone who knows more COM and/or C++
# [17:13] <lmandel> ehsan: what's the story with signed builds? Sounds like we can get Avast to recognize the exe based on the signature.
# [17:13] <@ehsan> evilpie: ah right
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# [17:13] <@ehsan> lmandel: I think so, yes
# [17:13] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, yes, if you make nsISelection builtinclass, if it isn't yet
# [17:13] <@ehsan> lmandel: we basically need to get in touch with them somehow
# [17:13] <lmandel> ehsan: Sounds like next step is to get Kev to reach out to Avast
# [17:14] <bbondy> ejpbruel: as in not related?
# [17:14] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, doesn't seem to be. How exactly would that work? Is there some precedent I should look at?
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# [17:14] <lmandel> ehsan: Why is this a new issue? Why didn't we have the issue previously?
# [17:14] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: what Ms2ger said I guess, but I'm not quite sure
# [17:14] <@ehsan> lmandel: no
# [17:14] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, [scriptable,uuid()] -> [scriptable,builtinclass,uuid()]
# [17:14] <@ehsan> lmandel: this happened with the changes to updater.exe in the bgupdates patch (for whatever reason)
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# [17:14] <ejpbruel> bbondy: jup, moving that line to the top level made the compiler error go away, and exposed the namespace error
# [17:14] <lmandel> ehsan: Does no mean this was an issue before background updates
# [17:14] <lmandel> ehsan: Oh. OK
# [17:14] <ejpbruel> MSVC can be fickle sometimes :)
# [17:14] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, that prevents JS objects from implementing the interface
# [17:14] <bbondy> k cool
# [17:15] <lmandel> ehsan: Is this a one time deal or do we expect this to happen on each release?
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# [17:15] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, don't we want that anyway?
# [17:15] <@ehsan> lmandel: I wish I could answer that question...
# [17:15] <AryehGregor> For, like, almost every IDL we have?
# [17:15] <@khuey> no
# [17:15] <@khuey> e.g. nsIDOMEventListener
# [17:15] * Ms2ger leaves the defence to khuey
# [17:15] <lmandel> ehsan: OK. I'll start by following up with kev (in the bug and then personally if necessary)
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> Though that wasn't a very good one
# [17:16] <@ehsan> lmandel: thanks :)
# [17:16] <@khuey> event listeners are kind of important!
# [17:16] <AryehGregor> khuey, well, I said "almost". Clearly there are a tiny number that need to opt out and allow JS objects to implement them. WebIDL has a keyword for this.
# [17:16] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: AryehGregor: there's also things we want extensions to be able to implement...
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# [17:16] <Ms2ger> ehsan, right, but this isn't one :)
# [17:16] <AryehGregor> Hmm. But not nsISelection?
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# [17:16] <@khuey> yes, I know a bit about WebIDL
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# [17:17] <@ehsan> yeah, I was talking about why we shouldn't do this for everything
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# [17:17] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, in general, for DOM interfaces, yes
# [17:17] <Ms2ger> For XPCOM stuff, it's less clear
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# [17:18] <AryehGregor> Okay, so add builtinclass. 1) Do I need to rev the UUID? 2) After that, can I turn nsISelection* into nsTypedSelection* infallibly using static_cast? 3) What's a nice way to encapsulate that? Stick some notxpcom method on nsISelection, maybe?
# [17:18] <@khuey> no, you don't need to rev the IID just to add builtinclass
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# [17:19] <AryehGregor> Also: if we do this to nsIDOMNode, can we convert nsIDOMNode* to nsINode* by casting instead of QI? That would be pretty nice.
# [17:19] <@khuey> the best way to encapsulate it is probably a static nsTypedSelection* FromFoo(nsISelection*);
# [17:20] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: nsIDOMNode doesn't inherit from nsINode, so that cast would be terribly wrong :)
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# [17:20] <AryehGregor> But is there any such thing as an nsIDOMNode that's not an nsINode?
# [17:20] <@khuey> yes
# [17:20] <AryehGregor> Hmm, like what?
# [17:21] <@khuey> don't ask
# [17:21] <@khuey> you really don't want to know
# [17:21] <AryehGregor> . . .
# [17:21] <@ehsan> glandium++ for bug 580408
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# [17:21] <glandium> ehsan: it's not enabled yet ;)
# [17:22] <AryehGregor> What should I call the method and where should I put it?
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# [17:22] <@ehsan> khuey: doesn't mean we need to keep that working :P
# [17:22] <@khuey> ehsan: true
# [17:22] <@ehsan> glandium: heh, what's blocking us?
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# [17:22] <@khuey> ehsan: imo, they get what they deserve for that
# [17:22] <@ehsan> khuey: in fact, I'd say file a bug on comm-central, and cc bienvenu on it
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# [17:22] <@ehsan> khuey: he helped get rid of some similar crazy code which was inheriting from nsIEditor a while ago
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# [17:23] <@ehsan> khuey: you want me to file that bug?
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# [17:23] <glandium> ehsan: all the dependencies of bug 762449
# [17:23] <@khuey> ehsan: sure
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# [17:25] <@ehsan> khuey: bug 762501
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# [17:26] <GPHemsley> When would two objects that are equal throw an exception when testing with xpcshell do_check_eq()?
# [17:26] <rufian> Which component displays URL strings? I would like to write a patch for this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762496
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# [17:27] <GPHemsley> (And what's the easiest way to debug that?)
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# [17:36] <Yoric> GPHemsley: can do_check_eq check equality of objects?
# [17:36] <Yoric> GPHemsley: I thought it only tested for physical equality.
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# [17:36] <GPHemsley> Yoric: Well, the docs specifically use the word "objects", not "strings".
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# [17:37] <GPHemsley> Yoric: Hmm... perhaps the problem is with '==' (or '!=')
# [17:37] <Yoric> GPHemsley: The implementation of do_check_eq simply uses == for testing.
# [17:38] <GPHemsley> Yoric: So I guess the problem is with JS itself?
# [17:38] <GPHemsley> Yoric: How would I go about comparing objects?
# [17:38] <Yoric> I don't think that there is a standard way.
# [17:38] <GPHemsley> Meh.
# [17:38] <Yoric> enumerate the keys, compare the properties, recurse
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# [17:40] <Yoric> gps: ping
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# [17:42] <gps> Yoric: pong!
# [17:42] <Yoric> Hi
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> ehsan, khuey, too late to witness its demise ;)
# [17:42] <Yoric> I have a question about one (perhaps more) of the sync tests.
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# [17:43] <Yoric> gps: I have process crashes with four of these tests https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12453453&tree=Try
# [17:43] <Yoric> gps: I have the intuition that I know what causes them, but I would like a confirmation from someone who knows them.
# [17:44] <gps> oh that's interesting
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# [17:44] <Yoric> gps: Essentially, I am rewriting some unrelated code (permission manager) to make some operations asynchronous.
# [17:45] <Yoric> However, closing a database asynchronously is more complicated than closing it synchronously.
# [17:45] <@smaug> jfkthame: ping
# [17:45] <Yoric> The closing crashes with these four tests, which should have nothing to do with permissions.
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# [17:45] <gps> correct, it should have nothing to do with them
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# [17:45] <Yoric> However, I suspect that they cause the application to "quit" (or to believe that it is quitting) twice.
# [17:46] <Yoric> Is my intuition correct?
# [17:46] <gps> except Sync spins the event loop
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# [17:46] <Yoric> So?
# [17:47] <gps> I have no clue
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# [17:47] <gps> I'm looking at where it is crashing
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# [17:47] <Yoric> That's in my code.
# [17:47] <NeilAway> khuey: it's going away soon
# [17:47] <gps> in test_addons_engine.js, it crashes at the end of the test
# [17:47] <gps> which would be at the end of the process
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# [17:48] <NeilAway> ehsan: see bug 761790
# [17:48] <gps> yeah, definitely seems to be a shutdown crash
# [17:48] <gps> not sure why Sync is crashing and not add-ons manager though
# [17:48] <@ehsan> NeilAway: yep, jcranmer duped my bug against that
# [17:48] <gps> I stole all the init/deinit routines from them
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# [17:48] <Yoric> The funny thing is that only these four xpcshell tests crash.
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# [17:49] <Yoric> (actually, only these four tests)
# [17:50] <Ms2ger> mDocument->Foo();
# [17:50] <Ms2ger> if (mDocument)
# [17:50] <Ms2ger> mDocument->Bar();
# [17:50] <Ms2ger> (Not even editor/)
# [17:50] <Yoric> Ms2ger: :)
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# [17:50] <NeilAway> ehsan: yes, you really should search for existing bugs first ;-)
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# [17:50] <edmorley> jlebar|lunch: (for when you get back) do you have any ideas about bug 761049? (you are the test author) it's the #1 failure on m-c/inbound right now
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# [17:50] <Yoric> gps: I have the impression that these tests somehow trick the mozStorage into believing that it should kill the storage thread.
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# [17:51] <@ehsan> NeilAway: I did search for that class name, nothing turned up ;)
# [17:51] <Yoric> (or one of its threads, I'm not clear about that)
# [17:51] <jfkthame> smaug: pong
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# [17:51] <@smaug> jfkthame: have you or someone else familiar with fonts profiled tbpl logs? My sysprof profile shows all sorts of font stuff. (Someone should profile with Shark or similar)
# [17:51] <@ehsan> plus, duping is usually cheaper :P
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# [17:52] <jfkthame> smaug: i haven't done it any time recently….
# [17:52] <@ehsan> ouch
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# [17:52] <gps> the only thing special about these tests is that they load the addon manager
# [17:52] <jfkthame> smaug: i'd expect text measurement (getting glyph widths, etc) to show up pretty high with so much text
# [17:52] <jcranmer> it's surprising how many executables we build in Mozilla
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# [17:53] <edmorley> build all the things \o/
# [17:53] <Yoric> gps: Or perhaps they send event "profile-before-change"?
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# [17:53] <@smaug> jfkthame: true. But perhaps we could cache some results or something.
# [17:53] <@ehsan> jcranmer: shouldn't be that many...
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# [17:54] <jcranmer> nsinstall, some dummy executablee, mozglue, windbgdlg
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# [17:54] <jcranmer> I haven't failed any further yet
# [17:54] <jfkthame> smaug: we do cache stuff, but tbpl logs are a bit atypical in that they have so many long-but-not-repeated strings
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# [17:55] <jfkthame> smaug: for normal text, we cache "shaped words", which are basically whitespace-separated strings, but that probably doesn't help us much with a tbpl log
# [17:55] <@ehsan> jcranmer: oh you're talking about host tools...
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# [17:55] <gps> Yoric: it's not a general Sync thing b/c only the add-ons sync tests fail. I think it is something Sync is jiggling in addon manager code. the last line before the crash is "*** LOG addons.xpi: shutdown"
# [17:55] <jcranmer> I'm talking about things that make CFLAGS=-Gh fail hard
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# [17:56] <gps> I may need Unfocused to look at Sync's unit tests and verify we are loading/unloading properly
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# [17:57] <evilpie> can somebody get me a windows xp sp3 vm?
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# [17:58] <Ms2ger> Hi bz, bye bz
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# [17:59] <Ms2ger> Hi again, bz :)
# [17:59] <@bz> heya
# [17:59] <@bz> again?
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# [17:59] <Yoric> gps: That would be great.
# [18:00] <Yoric> gps: I will probably logout shortly, but I should be reachable in about 1h for a few more hours.
# [18:00] <Ms2ger> bz, you joined for two seconds just now :)
# [18:00] <@bz> ah
# [18:00] <@bz> yeah
# [18:00] <@bz> sleep mode weirdness
# [18:01] <gps> unfortunately, I don't think Unfocused will be around for a few hours. maybe I can get lucky with Mossop...
# [18:01] <Ms2ger> I see
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# [18:03] <Yoric> gps: Just so that things are clear – the crash takes place in an assertion that I have added myself.
# [18:04] <Yoric> However, this assertion fails because the asynchronous database is in an inconsistent state (its thread has been killed).
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# [18:35] <@smaug> er, who broke my tree
# [18:35] <Ms2ger> Wasn't me
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# [18:36] <@smaug> make[5]: *** No rule to make target `../../memory/mozjemalloc/libjemalloc.a', needed by `libmemory.a'. Stop.
# [18:36] <@smaug> glandium: ^
# [18:36] <Ms2ger> Clobber
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# [18:36] <@smaug> ahaa
# [18:36] <glandium> smaug: clobber, or apply the patch from bug 757339
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# [18:36] <glandium> (and blame ted for the lack of review ;) )
# [18:37] <@ted> yup
# [18:37] <glandium> smaug: or, yet another way: rm objdir/memory/build/.deps/libs
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# [18:38] <@smaug> clobber it is
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# [18:41] <jimm> ted: I'm going to try and hook this up in the next week or so, debuging on win8 is a royal pain without it.
# [18:41] <@ted> okay
# [18:41] <@ted> no console in metro mode, i take it?
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# [18:42] <jimm> ted: we show a console, but it's over on the desktop when you're in the metro interface.
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# [18:42] <jimm> so I tend to be in a remote debugger all the time.
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# [18:43] <@ted> ah
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# [18:49] <Yoric> gps: I may have an idea. I have the impression that one of my data structures is improperly protected against race conditions.
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# [19:02] <@khuey> hmm
# [19:02] <@khuey> Zimbra seems a little broken
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# [19:02] <Ms2ger> Topic
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# [19:03] <KWierso> khuey: invisible subject headers?
# [19:03] <glandium> "zimbra works" is almost an oxymoron.
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# [19:03] <@khuey> KWierso: yes!
# [19:03] <bbondy> ehsan: mind if I use oak again for an updater push?
# [19:03] <mreid> khuey, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762105
# [19:03] <KWierso> khuey: I was getting that too
# [19:03] <@khuey> thanks
# [19:03] <KWierso> it's better now, though
# [19:03] <@khuey> it is?
# [19:03] <mreid> it's working for me with an updated nightly
# [19:03] <@khuey> oh, I'm on yesterday's nightly
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# [19:04] <@khuey> ah yes, much better
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# [19:04] <@khuey> KWierso: mreid: ty
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# [19:05] <KWierso> I didn't want to see what I was clicking on anyway :)
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# [19:05] <mbrubeck> ooh, exciting new line on http://arewefastyet.com/?view=regress
# [19:05] <KWierso> Ion++
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# [19:08] <glandium> mbrubeck: it's sad that it's slower than JM+TI on sunspider and v8
# [19:08] <glandium> although it's getting close
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# [19:08] <@smaug> glandium: so, I don't understand the need for TraverseReal
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# [19:08] <@smaug> why is traverse special?
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# [19:09] <glandium> smaug: it calls trace which needs to come from the vtable
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# [19:09] <glandium> smaug: specifically, inherited collectors rely on that
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# [19:09] <@smaug> ah
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# [19:12] <@smaug> glandium: it is still sad the change is needed
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# [19:12] <@smaug> it makes the code almost unreadable
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# [19:14] <glandium> smaug: the alternative would be to make NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_TRAVERSE_SCRIPT_OBJECTS mandatory in inherited collectors, and subsequently avoid going through trace several times
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# [19:14] <glandium> smaug: the latter being the tricky part
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# [19:15] <@smaug> glandium: I mean, the whole patch makes code hard to read
# [19:15] <@smaug> but I'm giving r+
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# [19:15] <glandium> smaug: the parent Trace function would be called for the same object through e.g. Traverse -> Trace -> parent's Trace and Traverse -> parent's Traverse -> parent's Trace
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# [19:16] <mccr8> I'm currently trying to understand it. ;)
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# [19:16] <@smaug> mccr8: yes, try to understand it :)
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# [19:17] <glandium> mccr8: feel free to ask questions :)
# [19:17] <mccr8> glandium: we should probably also get somebody who is a C++ template ninja to look at the core changes, as I think neither smaug nor I qualify as that...
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# [19:17] <@ehsan> bbondy: well I have some half baked stuff there
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# [19:17] <glandium> mccr8: i can only think about waldo. any other idea?
# [19:18] <@ehsan> bbondy: and tests are failing currently
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# [19:18] <@smaug> mccr8: I agree
# [19:18] <@ehsan> bbondy: if you wanna test something real you should back out my stuff first
# [19:18] <mccr8> glandium: maybe Luke.
# [19:18] <@smaug> glandium: Waldo should be good
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# [19:19] <@smaug> Waldo reviewed the other patch
# [19:19] <mccr8> to some extent it doesn't matter because the grossness is hidden behind macros, but somebody may want to change this in the future.
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# [19:19] <glandium> mccr8: i'm tempted to dump the macros and use templates, but i don't have cycles for that anyway
# [19:19] * @smaug hopes the change will lead to some awesomeness elsewhere. better startup times or something
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# [19:21] <glandium> smaug: for a starter, it will make "Number of constructors" not useless, which will help avoid making it grow (and even make it decrease), which, in the long run, will make things awesome for android
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# [19:21] <Ms2ger> glandium, meh, android :)
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# [19:22] <glandium> Ms2ger: it will also help on linux :)
# [19:22] <Ms2ger> \o/, then
# [19:22] <glandium> Ms2ger: and on the long run, on mac and windows, too
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# [19:23] <Ms2ger> Meh again
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# [19:33] <jet> kats: tn: please update bug 747493 with latest findings (even if "still looking") -- Mobile Triage starts in 1 hour
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# [19:33] <kats> will do
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# [19:34] <jet> thx kats
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# [19:41] <glandium> smaug, mccr8: btw, what is the right component for cycle collection? xpcom?
# [19:42] <mccr8> glandium: yes
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# [19:47] <isemenov> hello guys
# [19:48] <@smaug> hello :)
# [19:48] <isemenov> I can't find a target in the makefile client.mk firefox aurora source tree to uninstall firefox
# [19:48] <isemenov> is there any?
# [19:48] <isemenov> *makefile in the source tree
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# [19:49] <mounir> jlebar: you are not stingy with review requests, I see :)
# [19:50] <jlebar> mounir, You can just rs them; that's fine with me. :D
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# [19:50] <Ms2ger> r- is also an option
# [19:50] <mounir> jlebar: you're luck I'm doing a clobber ;)
# [19:51] * mounir would be curious to see him review history
# [19:51] <@khuey> catlee: ping
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# [19:52] <jlebar> We seem to use CC-public domain for tests, but shouldn't we be using CC0?
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# [19:53] <catlee> khuey: pong
# [19:53] <jlebar> Oh, I see a lot of CC0 too.
# [19:53] <jlebar> Cool
# [19:53] <@khuey> catlee: do you have an ETA on 755781?
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# [19:53] <catlee> gps: is that .dummy file on all release branches?
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# [19:53] <gps> catlee: yes
# [19:53] <catlee> khuey: no, it's a PITA unfortunately
# [19:54] <@khuey> catlee: ok
# [19:54] <@khuey> catlee: not having assertion stacks is a real PITA too ;-)
# [19:54] <catlee> yeah
# [19:54] <catlee> gps, aki|buildduty: ok, I re-landed bug 757460
# [19:54] <catlee> it will go live on the next reconfig
# [19:54] <aki|buildduty> tx
# [19:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0099fbd7c5f3 - Kyle Huey - Bug 755767: Shut down IndexedDB at profile-before-change. r=bent
# [19:54] <gps> catlee: ETA?
# [19:55] <@khuey> everybody wants ETAs from catlee
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# [19:55] <catlee> gps: 302 aki|buildduty
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# [19:55] <gps> I just want to know when people are going to come yelling at me so I can prepare myself :)
# [19:56] <catlee> heheh
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# [19:56] <aki|buildduty> gps: heh. maybe i should do that today so we have time to back out before the weekend if need be?
# [19:56] <gps> works for me!
# [19:56] <isemenov> I'd liek to remove the firefox I've built from source and installed to /usr/, how can I do that?
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# [19:57] <gps> do we even have a `make install`?
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# [19:57] <isemenov> I installed firefox with a 'make install -f client.mk'
# [19:58] <Mook_astb> there is a make install, it's just horribly broken and should not be used, AIUI
# [19:58] <Mook_astb> (and no, there's no make uninstall)
# [19:58] <isemenov> so I should simply install the package over the existing files?
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# [19:58] <@khuey> espindola: ping
# [19:58] <@khuey> ted: ping
# [19:59] <Mook_astb> or get a vm, run make install on it under strace, and undo whatever the heck it did manually; followed by make package and do whatever it is you would normally do with the resulting tarball
# [19:59] <@ted> khuey: pong
# [19:59] <@khuey> ted: you should participate in the conversation I'm about to have with espindola
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# [19:59] <@ted> okay!
# [19:59] * jhammel wonders if its worth putting a big warning message when make install is invoked
# [19:59] <gps> if `make install` is broken, we should just remove the target
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# [19:59] <jhammel> or taht
# [19:59] <gps> replace with help text that says "build a package instead"
# [19:59] <@khuey> $(error nobody's looked at this in 10 years, it probably doesn't work)
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> It works
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# [20:00] <Ms2ger> Except when someone sticks in a paren too many
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# [20:00] <gps> aki|buildduty: please ping me when you are about to reconfig
# [20:01] <aki|buildduty> ok
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# [20:02] <mounir> jlebar: and as soon as I'm done with those reviews, I get another one
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# [20:02] <jlebar> mounir, This one is really tricky.
# [20:02] <mounir> sicking was so right: never do fast reviews, people get used to it
# [20:02] <@ted> seriously
# [20:02] <@ted> if you make people wait long enough they give up and ask for review from someone else!
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# [20:02] <espindola> khuey, pong
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# [20:03] <gps> aki|buildduty: alternatively, you can just point people at http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21652161.jpg :)
# [20:03] <@khuey> espindola: so, two questions about this patch
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# [20:03] <@khuey> espindola: why are we removing --enable-cpp-rtti?
# [20:03] <aki|buildduty> heh
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# [20:04] <espindola> khuey, it is independent, but I could not find an user
# [20:04] <espindola> makes the code a bit simpler to handle it with fno-exceptions
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# [20:05] <@khuey> espindola: I think people use that with custom analysis tools
# [20:05] <@khuey> espindola: ted may know more
# [20:05] <@khuey> ted: ^?
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# [20:05] <isemenov> ty for the help guys!
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# [20:05] <@ted> i...don't remember offhand
# [20:05] <espindola> ok, if that is the case I will drop that bit and add a comment
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# [20:05] <@ted> i asked bsmedberg if we could remove that a while ago and he said there was some use case
# [20:05] <espindola> bsmedberg, ^
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# [20:06] <jlebar> mounir, Now see...do you want me to give you *another* patch to review?
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# [20:06] <@khuey> espindola: the other question is whether we need an equivalent of -fno-exceptions for msvc
# [20:07] <jlebar> mounir, 'cause I use shell scripts to edit my tree all day. :D
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# [20:07] <espindola> khuey, look at the above discusison with ehsan
# [20:07] <mounir> jlebar: feel free, my laptop is slow so clobber are time waster
# [20:07] <@khuey> espindola: around what time?
# [20:07] <mounir> hmm, might be time for a beer too
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# [20:07] <@ehsan> khuey: 11ish EST?
# [20:07] <espindola> if we understand the documentation correctly, msvc's default is as close as we get to -fno-exceptions
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# [20:08] <jlebar> mounir, Does the license have to come after the DOCTYPE?
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# [20:08] <Ms2ger> jlebar, yes
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# [20:10] <@khuey> espindola: ok, thanks
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# [20:12] <espindola> ehsan, good news: with exceptions disabled the clang performance is the same as gcc in the css case I was seeing a difference
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# [20:12] <espindola> bad news: llvm.org/pr13048
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# [20:12] <espindola> but should be fixed in a minute or two
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# [20:14] <Ms2ger> espindola, I don't believe you were compiling Firefox where it says test.o:test.i:... ;)
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# [20:16] <espindola> Ms2ger, I reduce the testcase "a bit" :-)
# [20:16] <espindola> reduced
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# [20:19] <ejpbruel> jgilbert: are you ok with me landing the BMP encoder patch? or do you prefer to do so yourself?
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# [20:20] <jgilbert> oh, heh, it's your patch :)
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# [20:23] <@ehsan> espindola: :(
# [20:23] <@ehsan> espindola: how hard is that to fix?
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# [20:24] <@bsmedberg> espindola?
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# [20:26] <espindola> ehsan, really easy
# [20:26] <espindola> just taking some time to build llvm and clang
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# [20:26] <espindola> I upgraded to f17
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# [20:26] <@ehsan> espindola: wow, does that mean that we're Real Close Now?
# [20:27] <espindola> bsmedberg, the question by khuey about --enable-cpp-rtti?
# [20:27] <espindola> ehsan, I hope so
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# [20:27] <@ehsan> \o/ \o/ \o/
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# [20:27] <espindola> I will update the spec and dmg script patches once that is fixed
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# [20:27] <@bsmedberg> espindola: it can be useful when debugging, and there was some other reason I now forget
# [20:27] <espindola> should have a candidate tonight
# [20:27] <@bsmedberg> I don't think it's harmful and we should keep it unless it's really getting in the way of something else
# [20:27] <gcp> We have a #3 topcrasher with a STR that involves an adult site.
# [20:28] <gcp> Who feels like debugging today? :)
# [20:28] <espindola> ah, ok, debugging is a good reason
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# [20:28] <espindola> I will factor it with the rest so that is in no duplicated
# [20:28] <espindola> thanks
# [20:28] <espindola> (and add a comment why we keep it)
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# [20:29] <espindola> awesome, gcc 4.7 miscompiles clang
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# [20:30] <glandium> espindola: hahaha
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# [20:30] <glandium> espindola: 4.7.0 or latest svn from the 4.7 branch ?
# [20:30] <jcranmer> riddle me this:
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# [20:31] <jcranmer> I'm getting timeouts in several mozapps scripts, because the getAddonByID callbacks cause too much recursion
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# [20:31] <ntrrgc_> [20:20] <espindola> awesome, gcc 4.7 miscompiles clang <<< xD gives error, or produces a bad executable?
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# [20:32] <ntrrgc_> Once, I had a big bug in my program. After hours debugging, I had no idea what was happening. I keeped adding debug facilities, and, the more I added, the more paranormal the things I see were. Then, I tried compiled with gcc. No paranormal behavior. All right.
# [20:33] <glandium> espindola: (btw, gcc 4.7 miscompiles firefox too)
# [20:33] <ntrrgc_> That pissed me off.
# [20:33] <ntrrgc_> (Although I usually like clang)
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# [20:34] <gps> ntrrgc_: you should file a bug against Clang. they take miscompilations very seriously
# [20:34] <@ehsan> glandium: does it compile anything correctly? ;)
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# [20:35] <glandium> ehsan: itself?
# [20:35] <ntrrgc_> gps: I should have done, but it was part of a school homework which I had to deliver the next day... I had other priorities.
# [20:35] <@ehsan> glandium: heh, but that's a low bar for a compiler
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# [20:35] <espindola> ntrrgc_, produces bad executable
# [20:35] <espindola> glandium, the 4.7 in fedora
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# [20:35] <espindola> not sure which one is it
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# [20:36] <glandium> espindola: how do you know it miscompiles clang ?
# [20:37] <glandium> espindola: i'd like to test whether my clang is broken in the same way
# [20:37] <ntrrgc_> segmentation fault, maybe?
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# [20:37] <espindola> glandium, make check :-)
# [20:37] <gps> ... which also has one of the sexiest progress bars for test execution I've seen
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# [20:38] <glandium> espindola: ah... i don't build it myself. but if gcc 4.7 miscompiles it, i'd expect the binary to be similarly broken
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# [20:38] <ntrrgc_> lol?
# [20:38] <espindola> glandium, btw, gcc 4.6 used to miscompile firefox too
# [20:38] <ntrrgc_> Ah, the test bars.
# [20:38] <espindola> but we patched firefox to avoid the case
# [20:38] <ntrrgc_> 4.6.3 here.
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# [20:39] <ntrrgc_> which miscompiled 4.6?
# [20:39] <Ms2ger> Let's move everything to rust
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# [20:40] <Ms2ger> Gah
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> Jesse_, you cc me for editor *and* xpconnect?
# [20:41] <@bz> waldo: as opposed to fx17?
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# [20:41] <@bz> ms2ger: I gloat
# [20:41] <espindola> glandium, 723453
# [20:41] <Waldo> bz: I don't even know if that is a thing, honestly, with trains
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# [20:41] <espindola> comment 9
# [20:41] <Ms2ger> bz, I suppose you get docshell, so I think I still get the better deal
# [20:41] <ntrrgc_> I am booooored
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> Also, wasn't smaug going to rewrite docshell?
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# [20:42] <glandium> espindola: all new versions of gcc are crap :)
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> s/new//
# [20:42] <timeless> AryehGregor: my last gmail account totally screwed me over
# [20:42] <timeless> i'm in the process of migrating from .bmo3 back to timeless@
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# [20:42] <timeless> i'll probably figure out how to move mail from one gmail account to another and then do so...
# [20:42] <glandium> espindola: it's always better to wait for x.y.1 or x.y.2.
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# [20:43] <ntrrgc_> espindola: how much time spends clang to get compiled?
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# [20:43] <glandium> espindola: although that one is not fixed in a x.y.{1,2}
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# [20:44] <Mook_as> timeless: http://gmvault.org/ is rumoured to be able to; I've not tried it. (it does so via IMAP, it seems)
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# [20:44] <zzzzz> glandium: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580408#c69 indicated jemv3 is not enabled - is this a build time setting or is there a pref in about:config ? or would things just go 'BOOM' on Windows mc
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# [20:45] <glandium> zzzzz: export MOZ_JEMALLOC=1 in mozconfig
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# [20:45] <zzzzz> ok thanks
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# [20:45] <ntrrgc_> http://clang.llvm.org/cxx_status.html They have gathered nice C++11 support...
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# [20:46] <zzzzz> glandium: so, for the time being us end-users/testers won't be seeing anything really different
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# [20:46] <glandium> zzzzz: no
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# [20:47] <zzzzz> thannks
# [20:47] <timeless> :)
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# [20:48] <ntrrgc_> http://libcxx.llvm.org/ Interesting. Woa, llvim impress me everytime.
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# [20:59] <jcranmer> let's play a game
# [20:59] <jcranmer> called "how long does it take me for to realize that bmo/search.cgi is not how you file a bug"
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# [21:01] <timeless> heh
# [21:01] <NeilAway> *** No rule to make target ../../memory/mozjemalloc/libjemalloc.a needed by libmemory.a ?
# [21:01] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, clobber, clobber less, or apply a patch
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# [21:02] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: ah yes, I see I should have read scrollback first
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# [21:03] <taras> gcp: is this you 91.182.228.203?
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# [21:03] <timeless> ntrrgc_: load http://libcxx.llvm.org/results.Windows.html and search for put_double.pass.cpp
# [21:03] <timeless> the comment there is amusing
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# [21:04] <ntrrgc_> "different floating point format?" <<< lol?
# [21:04] <timeless> ntrrgc_: actually, it's the idem. that's interesting
# [21:04] <ntrrgc_> Windows is different!
# [21:05] <timeless> for why, look above to put_long_double_en_US.pass.cpp
# [21:05] <ntrrgc_> idem to what?
# [21:05] <timeless> ntrrgc_: precisely!
# [21:05] <ntrrgc_> xD
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# [21:05] <timeless> in most sections even if the previous section ended w/ the thing they're idem.'ing, they still restate it
# [21:05] <timeless> but for some reason, .. well
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# [21:06] <ntrrgc_> FFFUUU /me blames to nodejs.
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# [21:06] <ntrrgc_> Two days have passed, and still zeparser broken in the package manager.
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# [21:07] <gcp> taras: no
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# [21:07] <taras> gcp: we are getting a crapload of telemetry pings due to bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762590
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# [21:08] <taras> mostly from firefox 14 beta
# [21:08] <taras> gcp: if you have any theories, we'd love to hear them in #metrics
# [21:08] <taras> something like 1 ping per second
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# [21:08] <taras> which seems high
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# [21:09] <timeless> ouch
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# [21:10] <jcranmer> ted: ping
# [21:10] <taras> gcp: so even with our bug...there shouldn't be that many pings..it's like fennec has too many idle-dailies or something
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# [21:10] <@ted> jcranmer: pong
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# [21:10] <jcranmer> ted: so I posted another approach on bug 750364
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# [21:11] <jcranmer> and I want to know what you think of it compared to gps's approach
# [21:11] <@ted> jcranmer: just saw the bugmail
# [21:11] <@ted> didn't look at your patch, but from the description it sounds less invasive
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# [21:11] <saebekassebil> Hey guys, we're having some trouble with a zooming issue with the PDF.JS addon. Is there any way to catch a "user-zoom" action with extension/addon code?
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# [21:12] <saebekassebil> Like 'ctrl + mousewheel'
# [21:12] <yury> saebekassebil: i think there is a mouse wheel event
# [21:12] <jcranmer> gps: ^^^^ your thoughts too would be appreciated
# [21:12] <yury> not sure if you can supporess it in normal web pages
# [21:12] <gcp> can we match an IP address against IRC logs?
# [21:13] <saebekassebil> yury: Can't be catched and dismissed like other events I'm afraid.
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# [21:16] <saebekassebil> yury: Mousewheel event isn't supported by Firefox :(
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# [21:16] <yury> saebekassebil: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIDOMMouseScrollEvent
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# [21:18] <saebekassebil> yury: http://jsfiddle.net/dzUMj/
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# [21:19] <saebekassebil> yury: sry to hasty, never mind
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# [21:21] <saebekassebil> yury: Well.. Only works in Firefox, but works: http://jsfiddle.net/dzUMj/1/
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# [21:28] <decoder> hm. is it normal that pushing beta to try takes ages?
# [21:28] <decoder> i get
# [21:28] <decoder> pushing to ssh://hg.mozilla.org/try
# [21:28] <decoder> searching for changes
# [21:29] <decoder> and then even after 30 mins, nothing happened^^
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# [21:30] <catlee> decoder: no, not normal
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# [21:32] <decoder> catlee: any hint what I should try?
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# [21:32] <catlee> decoder: interrupt it and try again?
# [21:32] <decoder> ( do have patches applied, using mq )
# [21:32] <decoder> tried that already a few itmes
# [21:33] <catlee> hrm
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# [21:33] <catlee> file a bug with IT then please
# [21:33] <catlee> maybe some lock is held on hg
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# [21:34] <Yoric> dougt: ping
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# [21:36] <dougt> Yoric: it is my rule to ignore your team's first notification about a patch in my review queue.
# [21:37] <dougt> :)
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# [21:38] <froydnj> dougt: we'll just send two on the first day :)
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# [21:39] <dougt> froydnj: +1
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# [21:40] <decoder> catlee: okay thanks will do
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# [21:43] <aki|buildduty> gps: starting a reconfig
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# [21:44] <philor> world: rebase your patches before you push them to try
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# [21:45] <jhammel> philor: are you refering to something particular you see?
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# [21:49] <ejpbruel> do i need to do anything special to get access to try from a windows vm?
# [21:50] <ejpbruel> i copied my ssh public key to my vm and edited my hgrc to what i think should be the correct path
# [21:50] <ejpbruel> but no dice
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# [21:51] <gcp> public key?
# [21:51] <gcp> your public key is on the tryserver, you need your private key
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# [21:52] <ejpbruel> gcp: argh. you're right that was stupid. but private key doesnt seem to work either
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# [21:52] <gavin> khuey|away: when someone files what is a server-ops bug in "repo account requests", move the bug over rather than just assigning - helps keep the repo acct req bug list easier to search for actual account creation bugs
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# [21:54] <glandium> is it expected that this shows up on a first run? http://i.imgur.com/T0JxG.png
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# [21:54] <glandium> gavin: ^
# [21:54] <edmorley|away> ehsan: re bug 724542, it's the same as the bug I marked as a dependant, the OP just wants a backport to ESR (judging from his enterprise list email)
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# [21:54] <glandium> it didn't happen in 13 and before, and happens in 14
# [21:54] <edmorley|away> ^ cc NeilAway
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# [21:55] <@ehsan> edmorley|away: so it's just an approval request?
# [21:55] <NeilAway> edmorley|away: ehsan already did 10 minutes ago
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# [21:56] <@ehsan> edmorley|away: gonna close it then :)
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# [21:56] <sawrubh> ehsan: ping
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# [21:56] <@ehsan> sawrubh: pong
# [21:56] <ejpbruel> gcp: any clue?
# [21:56] <ejpbruel> bbondy: or you, maybe? you're a windows guy :)
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# [21:56] <gcp> ejpbruel: not in particular
# [21:56] <edmorley|away> ehsan: if I've understood correctly, yes
# [21:56] <sawrubh> ehsan: I am planning to work on bug 748477, so could you give some pointers
# [21:57] <@ehsan> edmorley|away: -> INVALID
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# [21:57] <@ehsan> sawrubh: sure, let me take a quick look
# [21:57] <glandium> and it didn't happen in aurora from the 27th
# [21:57] <ejpbruel> gcp: ok, wel thanks anyway for pointing out that mistake
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# [21:58] <edmorley|away> ehsan: thanks (I should have done that to start with; was just easier to add the dependency since I was mid eating)
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# [21:58] <sawrubh> ehsan: I asked jdm and he told that I basically need to use gBrowser.currentTab.docshell and then QI from there.
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# [21:58] <sawrubh> so all I need to change is the QI happening in |privateWindow| ?
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# [21:59] <crypt> hi ... can some one provide help on a ASSERTION i am seeing
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# [21:59] <Ms2ger> Go and eat and then come back :)
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# [21:59] <crypt> ###!!! ASSERTION: QueryInterface needed: 'query_result.get() == mRawPtr', file ../../dist/include/nsCOMPtr.h, line 498
# [21:59] <Ms2ger> That's not good
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# [22:00] <NeilAway> ehsan: hmm, how do I build ancient versions again?
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# [22:00] <Ms2ger> edmorley|away, do you get paid so little?
# [22:00] <Ms2ger> Maybe I should give you a rybbon
# [22:00] <Mook_as> ehsan: for that esr bug, does the reporter have editbugs to request esr approval?
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# [22:01] <gavin> glandium: I imagine not!
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# [22:01] <gavin> glandium: file it, CC mano and mak?
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# [22:02] <glandium> gavin: firefox migration, maybe
# [22:03] <gavin> yes
# [22:03] <gavin> migration
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# [22:05] <timeless> crypt: typically you're missing x=do_QueryInterface(foo)
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# [22:06] <Hixie> smaug: inputmode used to be in web forms 2, at the time it was just a copy of what xforms did, which is unfortunately not a great design. However, I intend to reintroduce the concept wiht a better design. To do that I need to do research first.
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# [22:07] <@smaug> Hixie: ok. Any idea when you might add it back to HTML spec?
# [22:08] <@smaug> or do you need help in your research ?
# [22:08] <Hixie> smaug: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Text_input_keyboard_mode_control is where to put results of research if you want to help out with that; see also https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/ime-mode and http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-ui/#ime-mode
# [22:08] <philor> jhammel: referring to the reconfig, which is going to mean that if you push without 4411b40ef38e your tests will fail
# [22:08] <@ehsan> sawrubh: yeah, that's pretty much what needs to happen
# [22:08] <@ehsan> NeilAway: an ancient version of what?
# [22:08] <@ehsan> Mook_as: no idea
# [22:08] <@smaug> mounir: ^^
# [22:08] <Hixie> smaug: it's not a high priority for me at the moment. (well, it's a relatively high priority, but it's overwhelmed by even higher priorities)
# [22:08] <crypt> timeless: I have this as side-effect on my nsITimer no getting triggered i.e notify not get called ... what is the better way to find out which RawPtr I am dealing with .. since a breakpoint at the above line doesn't break my gdb
# [22:08] <NeilAway> ehsan: never mind, I see what's going on now
# [22:08] <jhammel> philor: ah, gotcha
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# [22:09] <timeless> crypt: google "unix debugging faq"
# [22:09] <NeilAway> smontagu: I just did a make -s with xterm updates and I got no blank lines at all
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# [22:09] <timeless> crypt: it's also possible your class is missing something in its QI decl or something
# [22:09] <smontagu> NeilAway: on OSX?
# [22:09] <timeless> iirc you want XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK=trap
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# [22:10] <NeilAway> smontagu: no, linux, why, does OSX have a bug?
# [22:10] <smontagu> NeilAway: yes
# [22:10] <Ms2ger> Hixie, I don't want to know when you'll get to the stuff you don't consider high priority :)
# [22:10] * smontagu never had a problem on linux either
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# [22:11] <Mook_as> ehsan: yeah, me neither; it's just that "this bug is invalid, you need to do X which you can't actually do" seemed kinda... frustrating
# [22:11] <jesup> crypt: do you have NS_DECL_NSITIMERCALLBACK in the .h file?
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# [22:11] <Hixie> Ms2ger: probably never :-)
# [22:12] <crypt> jesup: yes
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> Hixie, I said I didn't want to know ;)
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# [22:14] <@ted> smontagu: --enable-xterm-updates
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# [22:19] <gps> like to the point where none of the crazy refactoring I did is needed
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# [22:19] <gps> I mean planned changes to Debugger API
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# [22:22] <pippin> is there some information somewhere that'd enlighten me the state of affairs wrt doing more proper typography for print/pdf, perhaps along the lines or beyond of what one can do with princexml.com?
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# [22:24] <jcranmer> gps: I also have the advantage that I can capture all test suites
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# [22:24] <jcranmer> not just xpcshell
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# [22:25] <gps> jcranmer: my plan is to implement my code as a testing-only JS module so it can be shared among all the test suites
# [22:25] <gps> code in the bug is just a proof of concept
# [22:25] <gps> I don't care either way - just WANT CODE COVERAGE
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# [22:25] <gps> just don't dismiss my plan yet, because it is half-baked
# [22:25] <jcranmer> me too
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# [22:26] <jcranmer> we have two approaches now
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# [22:26] <jcranmer> so the question is which one to use
# [22:26] <@ehsan> Mook_as: well I don't think we should take that patch on ESR myself, which is why I didn't request approval myself :)
# [22:26] <jfkthame> pippin: do you mean that as a page author you want to get better typography, or that as a gecko developer you want to implement it?
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# [22:27] <pippin> jfkthame: I am kind of asking by proxy - but graphic designers vested in free software wants to figure out approaches to perhaps do something else than scribus...
# [22:28] <Mook_as> ehsan: yeah, just looking at it from a "what would I think if I were that guy" perspective, not thinking about what the bug is at all either :)
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# [22:29] <jfkthame> pippin: and by "typography" do you mean the "micro" level of individual characters/glyphs (kerning, ligatures, swashes, etc etc) or the "macro" level of typographic layout (line-breaking & justification, columns, grids, text flow, etc)?
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# [22:30] <jfkthame> pippin: there are CSS features in various stages of development that will provide more flexibility and control at both these levels - discussion happens on the www-style mailing list
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# [22:31] <pippin> jfkthame: I am sure the people involved might find this interesting, if you've got a link to the archives I'll make sure to forward it to the right people
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# [22:31] <jfkthame> pippin: google says try http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/
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# [22:32] <jfkthame> pippin: however, for fine typographic control, it might make more sense to look at *TeX-based tools rather than HTML renderers
# [22:32] <pippin> jfkthame: (at the moment I am at http://lgru.net/ , where some people (elsewhere right now) are discussing possible new ways of considering making DTP like applications) :)
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# [22:33] <@ehsan> Mook_as: good point -- I commented on the bug to hopefully clear the air :)
# [22:33] <@ehsan> Mook_as: thanks for bringing this into my attention
# [22:33] <pippin> jfkthame: TeX based tools might not be the best basis for new interactive and collaborative solutions
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# [22:34] <Mook_as> ehsan: you're welcome - very happy that _you're_ happy with it; I can totally see how you might have interpreted my comments negatively (which you didn't do) too, even if I didn't mean them like that :)
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# [22:35] <@ehsan> Mook_as: your comments were not negative at all :)
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# [22:35] <@ehsan> Mook_as: I appreciate criticism :)
# [22:35] <@ehsan> especially when it's right on!
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# [22:36] <@ehsan> sawrubh: sorry I got distracted, did what I said help you, or do you have more questions?
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# [22:40] <jcranmer> gps: to be fair, I did start with your approach
# [22:40] <jcranmer> gps: but as I started playing more with stuff (esp. trying to get branch coverage working)
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# [22:40] <jcranmer> gps: I found that what I was pretty much asking for was the builtin pccount stuff
# [22:40] <gps> yeah, I didn't make it that far
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# [22:43] <gps> although if we enforce the coding style where all branches are on new lines, then line coverage is sufficient :)
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# [22:43] <jcranmer> well, not quite
# [22:43] <jcranmer> if (a && b)
# [22:43] <jcranmer> there's two branches there
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# [22:43] <jcranmer> two branches x two targets/branch -> 4 possible cases
# [22:43] <martndemus> Can anyone help me a little with mercurial workflow on the mozilla source?
# [22:43] <gps> that
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# [22:44] <gps> yeah, I'm thinking conditional coverage
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# [22:44] <jcranmer> the pccount stuff handles that nicely, since you get per-opcode stuff
# [22:44] <jcranmer> well, "nicely" is a bit of a misnomer
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# [22:46] <@khuey> gavin: which bug was this?
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# [22:47] <jcranmer> @!@#$&
# [22:47] <ejpbruel> jgilbert: ping
# [22:47] <jcranmer> I'm not building with chrome-format=symlink
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# [22:48] <ejpbruel> or bbondy: ping
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# [22:48] <bbondy> ejpbruel: on a meeting talk to you in 10min
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# [22:49] <biesi> martndemus, sure, what's your question?
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# [22:49] <gavin> khuey: bug 761591
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# [22:50] <gavin> khuey: oh ha that was marcia not you
# [22:50] <@khuey> gavin: :-P
# [22:50] <gavin> sorry, guess I misread
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# [22:52] <jgilbert> ejpbruel: pong
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# [22:52] <martndemus> biesi: I created a patch of just a few lines
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# [22:52] <ejpbruel> jgilbert: could you do me a favor and land that BMP encoder patch for me anyway? ive been fighting with ssh for over an hour now and still cant push to try :(
# [22:53] <martndemus> biesi: but when i take a diff it includes a lot more changes that i didnt make
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# [22:53] <martndemus> biesi: hwo can that happen?
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# [22:53] <jgilbert> ejpbruel: ouch, ok, sure
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# [22:53] <biesi> martndemus, that's odd. what do the changes look like? and are you using mq?
# [22:53] <sfink> jcranmer, gps: see also https://github.com/davidflanagan/CoverMonkey
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# [22:53] <jgilbert> ejpbruel: I take it it needs to run through try still?
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# [22:53] <ejpbruel> jgilbert: yeah, just to make sure
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# [22:53] <jgilbert> ejpbruel: alright, no problem
# [22:54] <jcranmer> sfink: only works in the js shell
# [22:54] <jcranmer> I've seen it at least thrice
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# [22:54] <martndemus> biesi: mq?
# [22:54] <ejpbruel> jgilbert: thanks! i appreciate it
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# [22:54] <sfink> jcranmer: right, but it uses the same pccounts output and does some branch analysis
# [22:54] <biesi> martndemus, things like hq qimport, qrefresh, etc
# [22:54] <martndemus> biesi: also they look like patches from others
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# [22:54] <jcranmer> sfink: I thought it predated the pccount stuff
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# [22:54] <jcranmer> i.e., it relied on the old jsd api hooks
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# [22:54] <martndemus> biesi: I created a qstack yeah
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# [22:55] <sfink> jcranmer: no, it's totally based on it (and is what the json output was implemented for)
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# [22:55] <biesi> martndemus, I suspect you did not use the queue commands quite correctly, maybe you did a qimport before you commited your change
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# [22:56] <panzi> I installed a simple app in nightly (Windows 7 in Virtual Box). After I uninstalled it with the uninstall option provided from windows nightly still thinks it is installed and therefore I cannot install it again.
# [22:56] <martndemus> biesi: could be, can i somehow simply reset to where the repo is at now
# [22:56] <sfink> jcranmer: there was another one that used the jsd interrupt mode. Bug 625818 seems to talk about it.
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# [22:56] <bbondy> ejpbruel: what's up?
# [22:56] <biesi> martndemus, that will throw away your patch, right? but sure, you can qdel
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# [22:56] <jcranmer> sfink: it's using the js -D stuff, which I thought predated pccount
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# [22:56] <sfink> jcranmer: -D *is* pccounts
# [22:57] <ejpbruel> bbondy: hi, i wanted to ask you the same favor as jgilbert. could you land the clipboard patches for me? ive been fighting with ssh for an hour now and still cant push to try from my windows VM
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# [22:57] <bbondy> ejpbruel: so you want me to push to try first and then land if it is ok right?
# [22:57] <ejpbruel> bbondy: jup
# [22:57] <ejpbruel> bbondy: if youd be so kind
# [22:58] <bbondy> sure, can you just put a comment in the bug that way I get an email and I won't file that email until I'm done with it
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# [22:58] <bbondy> ejpbruel^
# [22:58] <martndemus> biesi: that removed my patch, but not all others :(
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# [22:58] <panzi> ok, I need to add an uninstall button to the app.
# [22:58] <gavin> marco: karl might be a good person to ask for review on bug 762641
# [22:58] <ejpbruel> bbondy: ok, cool! if it turns out i can get ssh access i can do it myself after all, but pending that, i will put a comment in the bug
# [22:58] <biesi> martndemus, actually... how do you create the diff?
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# [22:58] <bbondy> ejpbruel: sounds good, thanks!
# [22:58] <marco> gavin: ok
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# [23:00] <martndemus> biesi: I made the .hgrc file from the tut and then did hg diff <file>
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# [23:01] <biesi> martndemus, huh, that should not give you additional changes
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# [23:01] <biesi> I can't think of how that happened
# [23:01] <biesi> unless you did an hg patch for something?
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# [23:02] <jhammel> jgriffin: ping
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# [23:02] <martndemus> biesi: Hmm, oh shit, i might have, at least it was a few days ago i could have done it
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# [23:09] <jgilbert> ejpbruel: alright, try's off and running
# [23:09] <ejpbruel> jgilbert: seen it, thanks again
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# [23:10] <taras> bsmith: i feel like we might be spamming josh, etc
# [23:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5891cc95eac7 - Kyle Huey - Bug 759970: Result when reaching the end of a cursor should be null. r=sicking
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# [23:11] <jcranmer> didn't the CSSWG resolve to publish yearly snapshots?
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# [23:11] <bsmith> taras: I have to run now but we can discuss by private email if you want.
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# [23:11] <taras> bsmith: ok
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# [23:12] <bsmith> taras: in general, it would be goo to know what telemetry is actually counting, especially regarding "telemetry per build id" and "telementry per day"
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# [23:12] <bsmith> I don't need an immediate answer to that though
# [23:12] <taras> bsmith: it's per build id
# [23:12] <timeless> jcranmer: i thought so
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# [23:12] <bsmith> That's why Beta only has one per week or so
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# [23:12] <bsmith> OK.
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# [23:13] <jcranmer> dbaron: ^^^^^^ ?
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# [23:14] <timeless> martndemus: what does `hg st` show?
# [23:14] <timeless> => pastebin.mozilla.org
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# [23:15] <bbondy> ejpbruel: I don't think you attached the new patch with the fallible mem alloc
# [23:16] <ejpbruel> bbondy: oh thats right, i didnt because i intended to push it right away
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# [23:16] <bbondy> k pls update
# [23:16] <ejpbruel> bbondy: im still trying one thing to get ssh access, if that doesnt work i will update the patch
# [23:16] <bbondy> k
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# [23:18] <@dbaron> jcranmer, ?
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# [23:19] <jcranmer> dbaron: did the CSSWG not resolve to post yearly snapshots of CSS?
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# [23:19] <@dbaron> jcranmer, at one point, but then the W3C director decided to make them non-normative
# [23:19] <@dbaron> jcranmer, so I'm not sure if we're still going to
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# [23:21] <jcranmer> ah
# [23:21] <jcranmer> okay
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# [23:49] <sawrubh> ehsan: is this what is expected : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1658172
# [23:49] <sawrubh> for the getter to become
# [23:49] <@ehsan> sawrubh: yeah
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# [23:51] <taras> Bas: are there any gfx people other than you that are relevant to Snappy + based in europe?
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# [23:51] <Bas> taras: I seriously doubt it.
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# [23:51] <taras> ok
# [23:51] <taras> so it's just you
# [23:51] <Bas> taras: Yep, why?
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# [23:51] <taras> Bas: planning a workweek around mozcamp.eu
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# [23:52] <Bas> taras: Okay :) What month is it again?
# [23:52] <taras> sep 7,8 i believe
# [23:52] <taras> in warsaw
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# [23:53] <taras> for some reason a disproportionate number of snappy people is european
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# [23:54] <sawrubh> ehsan: now all I am supposed to do is change these places where the setter is used(since the setter is going) : http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=privateWindow+%3D&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
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# [23:55] <@ehsan> josh: I'm adding some docs to that header :)
# [23:55] <kats> tn: i uploaded some WIPs to bug 755971. feel free to provide feedback and/or steal them and/or redo them if you have time. i will probably be heading out soonish
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# [23:56] <@ehsan> sawrubh: the setter is only used in tests, so you should be able to replace its usage with the code that's currently in it
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# [23:56] <@ehsan> sawrubh: or even better, add a helper function which performs the job of the header to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/privatebrowsing/test/browser/head.js
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# [23:57] <@ehsan> sawrubh: and then just call that function in the tests :)
# [23:57] <sawrubh> ehsan: sounds better :)
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# [23:58] <gregglind> does firefox support url:() custom cursors? I can't seem to get a working example. I *can* do other keywords like 'wait'
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# [23:58] <sawrubh> ehsan: but how come these setters are only used in the test, when someone switches to PB mode, isn't this the setter responsible for changing the state ?
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# [23:59] <Mook_as> hmm, I seem to recall a note somewhere a while ago about mercurial 2.0 not working; is that still an issue?
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