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# [00:00] <mikeh> khuey: lines 7667..7677
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# [00:02] <mikeh> ehsan: wouldn't you know it, "Failure arg" is not a contiguous string in the source. :-I
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# [00:03] <@ehsan> yeah...
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# [00:04] <mikeh> ehsan, khuey, qDot: I have to run, but thanks a ton for your help with this. gdb and I will beat on it some more tomorrow.
# [00:04] <@ehsan> cool
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# [00:04] <qDot> mikeh: Yeah, feel free to poke me if you've got any more questions.
# [00:05] <mikeh|afk> qDot: will do--thanks muchly.
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# [00:06] <yuan> for people who are interested in developing on Windows 8 platform, there is a live training now by MS: http://www.windowsuserexperiencetraining.com/
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# [00:32] <qDot> I need to pass a const nsAString& parameter to a function that takes a const nsString&. What should I use to get the type to match there?
# [00:32] <nthomas> ehsan: ping
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# [00:33] <@smaug> why you need to pass nsAString?
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# [00:34] <@smaug> qDot: sounds like you need to assign your nsAString to nsString
# [00:34] <qDot> smaug: It's the parameter type. String is coming in from JS.
# [00:34] <@smaug> and pass that nsString to the function
# [00:34] <qDot> Ok, cool.
# [00:34] <qDot> Was just making sure I wasn't missing some conversion. Got spanked on my last review for a bunch of string things I wasn't aware of.
# [00:35] <@smaug> but this situation is still somewhat uncommon
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# [00:37] <qDot> Yeah, need to take a JS DOMString value and put it in an ipdl union, which takes nsString as its constructor. Hence the need.
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# [00:39] <@smaug> qDot: ah. In the existing IPC stuff, when nsString is needed, but there is only nsAString, the code uses nsString(the_AString)
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# [00:40] <ccg> glandium: GCC 4.7.1 released, http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.7/
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# [00:41] <qDot> Yeah apparently IPDL land ain't that fancy yet.
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# [00:41] <qDot> Wonder how hard that'd be to fix.
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# [00:50] <JesperHansen> is this intended snappy behavoir: If a page has an iframe and the connection for that iframe is slow, then the rest of the page isn't loaded until the connection in the iframe times out
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# [00:52] <RyanVM> dholbert: darn, was just about to check in that patch
# [00:52] <dholbert> RyanVM, ah, sorry :)
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# [00:52] <RyanVM> dholbert: was going to politely remind him to include commit messages too :P
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# [00:53] <dholbert> RyanVM, Oh right, I meant to do that :)
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# [01:00] <dholbert> RyanVM, (oops, haha -- missed that you'd posted as well)
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# [01:02] <@smaug> paul: if Gnome is "difficult to customize", OSX is "impossible to customize" ;)
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# [01:02] <RyanVM> dholbert: we're just thorough, that's all
# [01:02] <dholbert> :D
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# [01:04] <jrmuizel> jaws: ping
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# [01:06] <jaws> jrmuizel: pong
# [01:07] <jrmuizel> jaws: did you get a chance to profile?
# [01:07] <jaws> not yet, and it turns out i don't think i'll have time to do it :(
# [01:07] <jrmuizel> :(
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# [01:09] <nhirata> jrmuizel: does this still apply : https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Debugging_a_minidump ? or does it need updating?
# [01:09] <nhirata> [wondering for fennec native minidumps]
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# [01:09] <jrmuizel> nhirata: the manual part?
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# [01:10] <jrmuizel> nhirata: yeah the patch is probably still saneish
# [01:10] <nhirata> ok cool! thanks
# [01:10] <jrmuizel> and the steps still make sense
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# [01:10] <jrmuizel> nhirata: if you ask ted he might have a better tool
# [01:10] <jrmuizel> nhirata: in fact I think he does
# [01:11] <nhirata> I'm not sure if he does... I'll ask
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# [01:12] <nhirata> thanks for the info though and the lead
# [01:12] <jrmuizel> glad to help
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# [01:13] * philor idly wonders what time the person who is going to file all these Android mochitest [orange]s comes in to work
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# [01:18] <bsmith> I think we must have a (C/C++) function that hex-encodes data {0xFF, 0xAB, 0x01 } -> "FFAB01". Where would I find such a function?
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# [01:20] <gcp> snprintf? :P
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# [01:22] <@ted> jrmuizel: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/tmielczarek_mozilla.com/dump-lookup/
# [01:22] <@ted> is my weapon of choice
# [01:22] <@ted> you give it a minidump + symbols and it trawls the stack for anything that looks like a return address and prints them all
# [01:22] <jrmuizel> nhirata: there you go
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# [01:23] <nhirata> yes. there I go. thanks
# [01:23] <@ted> you get output like: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1662503
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# [01:23] <nhirata> does it match to a symbol table as well?
# [01:23] <nhirata> ted ^
# [01:24] <@ted> if you have symbols, yes
# [01:24] <@ted> look at the pastebin :)
# [01:24] <nhirata> it's a java crash example. :|
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# [01:25] <@ted> none of this is very useful for java crashes :-/
# [01:25] <@ted> they're a totally different beast
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# [01:25] <nhirata> hrm
# [01:25] <nhirata> ok
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# [01:25] <nhirata> well at least it's more of a start than from scratch. :)
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# [01:35] <NeilAway> gavin: btw, what happened with 761319?
# [01:36] <justdave> if I have a signons.sqlite file and I know the passphrase that goes with it, is there an easy way to decrypt it without having to restore it to a profile and load it in Firefox?
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# [01:37] <justdave> I somehow wiped out a password for a specific site, and that site is in that file in an old backup
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# [01:37] <justdave> but I've had lots of adds and changes since then so I'll lose more if I just restore it
# [01:38] <gavin> restore it to a separate throwaway profile?
# [01:38] <gavin> you also need another file though
# [01:38] <gavin> cert8.db?
# [01:38] <Mook_as> key3.db?
# [01:38] <gavin> or is it keys.db
# [01:38] <justdave> key3.db or something
# [01:38] <gavin> or that, yeah
# [01:38] <gavin> NeilAway: I got stalled with wondering what that check was even for
# [01:38] <NeilAway> qDot: PromiseFlatString(aString)
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# [01:39] <qDot> Ah, ok.
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# [01:39] <NeilAway> qDot: although really you should be able to construct an nsString with a const nsAString&
# [01:39] <qDot> Filed a bug to add autogeneration of nsA*String constructors to IPDL too, so we hopefully won't have to do this.
# [01:39] <qDot> NeilAway: Yeah that's what I did.
# [01:40] <qDot> Just made a temp nsString to pass.
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# [01:41] <NeilAway> qDot: that's not what I meant
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# [01:41] <justdave> I was a victim of that thing a few weeks back where if you had a master password set on an android device it would wipe out all your passwords when you synced
# [01:41] <NeilAway> qDot: the constructors should just take const nsA(C)String& instead of const ns(C)String& (you don't need both)
# [01:41] <dholbert> justdave, me too :-/
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# [01:42] <NeilAway> qDot: but you should prefer PromiseFlat(C)String when it works (there are some edge cases where it does not)
# [01:42] <qDot> NeilAway: Ah, ok.
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# [01:42] <justdave> and I had just set up a cron job to back up my profile every night on my laptop like a week prior.
# [01:42] <justdave> boy was I glad I did :)
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# [01:42] <NeilAway> qDot: basically what it does is peeks at the string you pass it, and if it was an nsString all along, just returns a dependent string for it, otherwise if it turns out to have been a substring then it makes a copy
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# [01:43] <qDot> That's handy.
# [01:43] * @bsmedberg feels that nowadays in the land of shareable string buffers nsPromiseFlatString is mostly silly
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# [01:44] <bonnie> cjones, hi
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# [01:44] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: there's no guarantee that the underlying string is using a shareable string buffer, it could be a literal string, or an auto string, or an XPIDL string, etc, etc.
# [01:44] <cjones> hey bonnie
# [01:45] <@bsmedberg> Sure, but I'm saying I don't think it matters in almost any case.
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# [01:45] <@bsmedberg> And we really should just fix it so that literal string buffers are shareable
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# [01:45] <bonnie> cjones, would you know if pressing the power on/off button when the screen is turned off, calls resetIdleTImeout in nsIdleService for b2g
# [01:45] <@bsmedberg> and I'm pretty sure that xpidl string buffers are already shareable
# [01:45] <bonnie> ?
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# [01:46] <cjones> bonnie, i don't know that off-hand. jlebar|away was just looking at that, he might know
# [01:46] <bonnie> cjones, i still have the old build from a while back and havent flashed my new phone that i just got
# [01:46] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: yeah, I think I tried that once (sharing literal strings) but I was worried about strings lasting past their module lifetime
# [01:46] <bonnie> and well timdream is waiting on a response so didnt want to keep him waitin
# [01:46] <bonnie> g
# [01:46] <jlebar|mac> bonnie: I really don't think anybody is going to know this off the top of their head.
# [01:46] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: I don't see how an adopted string can be shared though
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# [01:47] <bonnie> cjones np i'll start downloading the latest build
# [01:47] <bonnie> cjones, thanks
# [01:47] <cjones> bonnie, AFAICT from mxr'ing around, i think it should
# [01:47] * jlebar|mac thinks so too.
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# [02:15] <RyanVM> terrence: knock knock
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# [02:17] <terrence> RyanVM: hey
# [02:17] <RyanVM> come on, play along
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# [02:17] <terrence> RyanVM: I'm already backed out
# [02:17] <RyanVM> awww, you already backed out anyway
# [02:18] <RyanVM> i had my "orange you wishing you landed on Try first?" ready to go :P
# [02:18] <terrence> RyanVM: ha!
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# [02:19] <terrence> RyanVM: no, don't worry it looks like I put the wrong commit id in the comments I added to oranges....
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# [02:25] <RyanVM> haha
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# [02:32] <nthomas> is fixed now
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# [02:32] <Unfocused> ... i don't need it now
# [02:33] <Unfocused> but thanks! ;)
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# [02:45] <benjamin> so, I'm very confused
# [02:45] <benjamin> I'm trying to link the static zlib to libmozglue
# [02:46] <benjamin> with "nm" I see zlib's symbols exported symbols have default visibility
# [02:46] <benjamin> in the static library
# [02:46] <benjamin> but after linking, there no zlib symbols in libmozglue.so
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# [02:53] <@khuey> is zlib being linked into libmozglue.so?
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# [02:54] <benjamin> khuey: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1662510
# [02:54] <benjamin> ^ mozglue linking
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# [02:57] <@khuey> benjamin: what visibility do the symbols in libmfbt have?
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# [02:58] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> ashish: I don't seem to be able to access hg.mozilla.org and I think I should be able to as per bug 759244
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# [02:59] <benjamin> khuey: I can't find libmfbt.a
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# [02:59] <benjamin> is it deleted somehow?
# [02:59] <@khuey> it shouldn't be
# [02:59] <@khuey> objdir/mfbt/libmfbt.a
# [02:59] <@khuey> oh, right
# [03:00] * @khuey forgot about our crazy linking stuff
# [03:00] <@khuey> libmfbt doesn't actually exist
# [03:00] <benjamin> ??
# [03:00] <@khuey> benjamin: try removing DIST_INSTALL=1 from zlib's makefile
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# [03:01] <@khuey> you may need to make clean in zlib's directory
# [03:02] <benjamin> I'm rming the entire objdir :)
# [03:02] <@khuey> heh
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# [03:02] <benjamin> hmm, same error
# [03:03] <benjamin> khuey: luckily, it errors out on js build :)
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# [03:04] <@khuey> hmm
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# [03:04] <@khuey> benjamin: JS is looking for the MOZ_Z_ prefixed symbols, right?
# [03:04] * benjamin tries removing LIBXUL_LIBRARY for good measure
# [03:05] <benjamin> khuey: yes, the linking error refers to MOZ_Z_inflate and such
# [03:05] <@khuey> ok
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# [03:06] <benjamin> khuey: it looks like this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1662511
# [03:06] <benjamin> what I don't understand is why it's talking about the hidden symbol "MOZ_Z_inflate"
# [03:06] <benjamin> maybe it's hidden in js
# [03:06] <benjamin> rather than mozglue
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# [03:07] <@khuey> oh
# [03:07] <@khuey> that's *very* interesting
# [03:07] <@khuey> so my guess is that JS is expecting to find these symbols inside the JS library
# [03:07] <@khuey> rather than in external code
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# [03:08] <benjamin> could this be the fake system headers #pragma visibility thing?
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# [03:08] <benjamin> I should note this works when mozglue is static
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# [03:08] <@khuey> well
# [03:09] <@khuey> does nm think there are any zlib symbols coming out of libmozglue.so?
# [03:09] <benjamin> no
# [03:09] <@khuey> ok
# [03:09] <benjamin> huh, now there are...
# [03:09] <benjamin> DIST_INSTALL changed something...
# [03:10] <@khuey> aha!
# [03:10] <@khuey> I knew it!
# [03:11] <@khuey> benjamin: so now I think you just need to add the zlib headers to system-headers and you're set
# [03:12] <njn> ted, sfink: is there documentation for bzexport other than http://blog.mozilla.org/ted/2010/09/07/bzexport-a-mercurial-extension/ ?
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# [03:13] <@khuey> njn: hg help bzexport?
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# [03:14] <benjamin> khuey: you're my hero
# [03:14] <froydnj> that's why he works on build stuff
# [03:14] <@khuey> huzzah
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# [03:15] <njn> khuey: I'd have to install it first, and I don't know how to do that. It's also not clear to me if I want to install it...
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# [03:16] <njn> oh, I found the README
# [03:17] <njn> my Windows try builds from yesterday haven't finished running yet, great
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# [03:22] <philor> njn: thanks for the backup, I filed about the backlog as critical claiming exactly that would be what would happen :)
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# [03:24] <philor> the great thing is, we have a backlog of over a thousand Windows tests on try, going back over 26 hours, and I wouldn't be surprised if a quarter of them are totally worthless, either the patch has already landed or something else showed a problem with it
# [03:25] <froydnj> philor: whoa, why did that happen?
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# [03:26] <devd> froydnj: do you have ideas on how I could make telemetry calls from inside .js files ? for example, browser-addons.js
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# [03:26] <philor> winxp slaves wander off during reboot, win7 slaves are getting dongles so they can have higher resolution and a handful are out of service because of that, ???, and probably mostly, we just keep adding jobs and branches, without adding slaves
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# [03:26] <froydnj> devd: what do you want to do with telemetry?
# [03:27] <jgilbert> time to round up some new slaves?
# [03:27] <devd> so I am working on a feature that adds a new probe, and I want to make an accumulate call from inside the js file
# [03:27] <devd> I could go into more details if you want
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# [03:28] <devd> froydnj: ^^
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# [03:28] <Unfocused> devd: you've sparked my curiosity
# [03:28] <froydnj> devd: see toolkit/components/telemetry/TelemetryStopwatch.js for inspiration
# [03:29] <froydnj> devd: but the basic idea is:
# [03:29] <froydnj> Telemetry = Cc[...].getService(Ci.nsITelemetry)
# [03:29] <froydnj> h = Telemetry.getHistogramById(...)
# [03:29] <froydnj> h.add(...)
# [03:29] <devd> froydnj: thanks!
# [03:30] <devd> I will also take a look at the file
# [03:30] <froydnj> devd: np
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# [03:32] <devd> one thing that I have always wondered about working with the .js files .. do I need to run make again after editing them, and if yes, why ?
# [03:33] <Unfocused> it depends. if you're on *nix, and it's not preprocessed, and you've build with --enable-chrome-format=flat, then you shouldn't need to rebuild them
# [03:33] <Unfocused> with browser-addons.js you will need to rebuild that directory
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# [03:35] <devd> Unfocused: but why? What is the make doing ?
# [03:35] <devd> I was working with csputils.jsm earlier, which in the build dir was just a symlink to the source, and I still had to recompile
# [03:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/da8c6039c25e - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 765095 - Post logcat log to autolog, r=mdas, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [03:35] <devd> it really confused me
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# [03:36] <Unfocused> really? huh. the stuff i described above are generally when a symlink is used... which should mean a rebuild isn't needed
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# [03:37] <Unfocused> i spend a lot of time on windows though, so i just natrually always rebuild
# [03:37] <darktrojan> ITYM --enable-chrome-format=symlink
# [03:38] <devd> hmm .. maybe I should test again. I could have sworn it didn't work; but, maybe it was too late
# [03:38] <devd> I am on linux though
# [03:38] <devd> why does it matter windows vs unix ?
# [03:38] <darktrojan> devd, maybe you need to run firefox with --purgecaches
# [03:38] <devd> aah .. maybe that is it
# [03:38] <Unfocused> windows doesn't have (real) symlinks
# [03:38] <devd> yeah, but you could still just edit the copied files, right?
# [03:38] <devd> and once you are happy with it
# [03:39] <Unfocused> yep, you can
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# [03:40] <devd> froydnj: sorry to bug you again, the histogramID is defined in TelemetryHistograms.h , how do I do the equivalent of #include "mozilla/Telemetry.h" ?
# [03:40] <devd> Unfocused: ok .. I mean that's the key for me, rapid iteration.
# [03:40] * Unfocused nods
# [03:41] <devd> the sample file doesn't seem to use an existing histogram, but rather defines functions other things could call in from
# [03:41] <jduell> anybody know a reviewer for firefox network pref UI stuff in the Firefox:Preferences module?
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# [03:42] <Unfocused> (i'm so gonna regret this) jduell: i recently reviewed some of that code
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# [03:42] <devd> froydnj: never mind, I think I figured it out
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# [03:43] <jduell> Unfocused: it's not so bad!
# [03:43] <Unfocused> it doesn't have an owner though... any one of the browser peers could do it, if they feel up to it
# [03:43] <jduell> Unfocused: OK, I'll start w/you and you can pass the hot potato if you like
# [03:44] <Unfocused> k :)
# [03:44] <Unfocused> r-, you probably didn't change in-content prefs either
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# [03:46] <njn> we don't have to set the "target milestone" when landing on inbound now, is that right?
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# [03:47] <Unfocused> we don't?
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# [03:47] <njn> Unfocused: there was an email from edmorley about it just now
# [03:47] <njn> dev-platform, probably
# [03:48] <Unfocused> ooooo
# [03:48] <Unfocused> shiny
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# [03:49] <njn> Unfocused: amirite?
# [03:50] <Unfocused> afaict, yes
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# [03:50] * njn has only been marking "target milestone" for a week or so anyway
# [03:50] <darktrojan> " You do not need to set the target milestone any more (if it is set already though, please check it is correct!), since the new merge script will do that for you. "
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# [03:52] <philor> huh. platform?
# [03:52] <Unfocused> yea
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# [03:53] <Unfocused> ... hope there's a blog post
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# [03:54] <philor> I always think of platform as where people argue abstractions, so I read it once every three months
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# [03:55] <Unfocused> hm, we do have a commiters mailing list
# [03:56] <Unfocused> not that it's used
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# [03:56] <philor> not that half of the old people even get mail at their commit address
# [03:56] <njn> Unfocused: do you have to subscribe to that?
# [03:56] <Unfocused> njn: afaik, you're added to it automatically
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# [03:57] <Unfocused> but, well, what philor said
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# [04:00] <darktrojan> committers mailing list? what?
# [04:01] <Unfocused> as i said, it's not used :)
# [04:01] <Unfocused> but you're on it!
# [04:02] <darktrojan> \o/
# [04:02] <ashish> kentuckyfriedtakahe: your account lgtm. double check the ssh key you're committing from
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# [04:09] <capella> try 1823 / 362
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# [04:10] <heycam> yeah what is with the big backlog of windows test runs lately?
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# [04:10] <capella> see ---^
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# [04:13] <darktrojan> we're short of enough windows machines to cope for various reasons
# [04:13] <darktrojan> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764713
# [04:13] <heycam> aha
# [04:13] <capella> lol too damn high
# [04:14] <darktrojan> tl,dr: humans working too hard, machines can't keep up
# [04:15] <darktrojan> we'll keep them from going all matrix on us yet
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# [04:35] <@bz> such that I can get to it with http://localhost:8080
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# [04:35] <@bz> er, nevermind
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# [04:51] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> ashish: I copied the rsa key from the bug to another server and I can log into that no problem. I'm trying to log in as ajones.
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# [05:15] <mbrubeck> android still busted on inbound...
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# [05:17] <mbrubeck> looks like sriram is the lucky winner
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# [05:19] <mbrubeck> terrence can re-land too...
# [05:23] <mbrubeck> oh wait, terrence had different orange. nevermind
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# [05:24] <justdave> are their any known issues with Aurora beachballing on Mac lately? from ActivityManager samples it looks like it's trying to prune the cache when it happens
# [05:25] <justdave> stays hung for a good 2 or 3 minutes then clears on its own
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# [05:26] <justdave> nsDiskCacheMap::EvictRecords(nsDiskCacheRecordVisitor*)
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# [05:30] <mbrubeck> searching bugzilla for "EvictRecords" turns up nothing, so you should probably file it...
# [05:33] <justdave> couldn't find anything relevant just searching on nsDiskCacheMap either
# [05:33] <justdave> couple ancient startup crashes
# [05:34] <mbrubeck> this bug fixed in Fx12 is slightly relevant: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707436
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# [05:39] <mbrubeck> philor: Any idea why bug 558220 is cranky on XP on m-c tip?
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# [05:39] <ashish> kentuckyfriedtakahe: try ajones@mozilla.com
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# [05:40] <justdave> ok, it's bug 765125
# [05:40] <philor> mbrubeck: s/m-c tip/everywhere starting a few days ago/
# [05:41] <mbrubeck> Ah yes
# [05:41] <philor> I haven't counted percentages, but it feels like it went bad everywhere, maybe some security bug that quickly landed all the way down
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# [05:42] <philor> alas, when you leave your intermittent orange unexamined for a couple of years, your test loses its ability to do what you wrote it for
# [05:43] <philor> hmm, maybe not - some of the ones I think were written solely to annoy me might really *be* written solely to annoy me :)
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# [05:54] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> ashish: sweet. that looks like it's going to work.
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# [05:54] <philor> I haven't been watching, has anyone filed any of the new (ly revealed) Android mochitest failures?
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# [05:56] <ashish> kentuckyfriedtakahe: awesome! :)
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# [05:57] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> ashish: I've never used a ssh login with an @ in it so I didn't think of it. thanks for your help.
# [05:58] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> \o/
# [05:58] <ashish> yeah, we're different like that ;)
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# [06:20] <mbrubeck> philor: no
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# [06:22] <mbrubeck> and I can't really tell if my backout fixed Android or not. :/
# [06:22] <philor> I was just trying to guess which thing you backed out to fix, and failing
# [06:23] <@khuey> lol rypple is down
# [06:23] <@khuey> so much for doing that tonight
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# [06:24] <froydnj> "challenge area: getting my feedback done with everybody else hammering the server"
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# [06:30] <KWierso> "Areas I've improved in: I managed to submit this feedback."
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# [06:35] <mimcpher> Any IRCops around? Spammer in #media
# [06:36] <glob> spammer in every channel :(
# [06:36] <BenWa> Do we have a tracking bug/whiteboard for main thread IO?
# [06:36] <dumitru> where?
# [06:36] <dumitru> what nick?
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# [06:36] <mimcpher> m1n3cr4f7
# [06:36] <glob> m1n3cr4f7
# [06:36] <dumitru> again?
# [06:36] <dumitru> hrrr
# [06:36] <dumitru> ok
# [06:37] <sfink> in #jsapi too
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# [06:37] <sfink> ...but perhaps that's included in "spammer in every channel". sorry
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# [06:38] <dumitru> I gzline the IP
# [06:38] <dumitru> gzlined*
# [06:38] <@khuey> did we kill him?
# [06:38] <@khuey> nice
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# [06:39] <@khuey> BenWa: yes, main-thread-io keyword
# [06:39] <BenWa> ty
# [06:39] <@khuey> dumitru: aw
# [06:39] <@khuey> I wanted a Runescape membership pin
# [06:39] <justdave> I added a spamfitler for his urls
# [06:40] <dumitru> totally free.
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# [06:44] <philor> "mozContacts is null when not enabled. - undefined should equal null"
# [06:45] <philor> and you call that a *pass*?
# [06:45] <@khuey> == ftw
# [06:45] <philor> also, wtf is dom/contacts/ in terms of bmo components?
# [06:45] <@khuey> DOM: Device APIs
# [06:45] <philor> thx
# [06:45] <@khuey> if you don't recognize it, it goes there
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# [06:46] <Unfocused> convenient when all your friends are devices
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# [06:47] <@khuey> the best part about DOM: Device APIs is that I don't get bugmail for it
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# [07:05] <philor> mbrubeck: huh, you fixed -1
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# [07:08] <philor> and -8 is probably just more than a Tegra can actually swallow, those style mochitests are insanely huge
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# [07:14] <philor> suspicious that wesj won the selector battle, but lost the mochitest war
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# [07:33] <mbrubeck> I wonder if I can pin any of these other permaoranges on wesj...
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# [07:34] <philor> he's got another push there :)
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# [07:35] <philor> I wonder if I could just stick test_transitions_* in the failures json without anyone noticing
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# [07:37] <philor> json which could maybe use a tiny bit of documentation
# [07:38] <mbrubeck> The test_transitions failures started on sriram's push and haven't happened since my backout, which is the one thing making me think that maybe I didn't back out sriram for nothing.
# [07:38] <mbrubeck> argh, bedtime
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# [07:39] <philor> you backed him out for M1 at least, that looked pretty clear
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# [07:45] <mbrubeck> wish I could figure out M3
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# [07:46] <@bz_sleep> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765031 is awesome
# [07:46] <@bz_sleep> "I ran some code, but won't tell you what it was"
# [07:46] <@bz_sleep> "It threw some error, I forget which one"
# [07:46] <@bz_sleep> "Please fix it"
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# [07:47] <mbrubeck> is test_contacts_events.html new?
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# [07:48] <mbrubeck> yes
# [07:48] <philor> new to you
# [07:48] <njn> who wants to answer a question about C++ templates?
# [07:48] <Unfocused> njn: i don't
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# [07:48] <mbrubeck> added today in bug 764667 by gwagner
# [07:48] <njn> I have a function: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1662550
# [07:48] <mbrubeck> gwagner: Your test is perma-orange on Android
# [07:48] <njn> there's a dummy argument that I need for the templates to resolve
# [07:48] <njn> is there some way to avoid that dummy argument?
# [07:49] <mbrubeck> ah, already filed
# [07:49] <njn> !summon jtcranmer
# [07:49] <@bz_sleep> njn: thinking
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# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> njn: I assume that having to do FinishPopStatement<StmtInfoClass>(context) would be just as bad as the dummy arg?
# [07:50] <philor> it's not permaorange, sometimes we crash before we run it
# [07:50] <njn> bz_sleep: this reminds me of functional dependencies in languages with type classes
# [07:50] <njn> bz_sleep: does that work? That's better than the dummy arg
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> njn: because if not, that would be really easy to do
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> njn: so rewrite as:
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# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> template<class StmtInfoT, class ContextT>
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# [07:50] <njn> bz_sleep: the key is that in practice, ContextT implies StmtInfoT
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> and drop the dummy
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> and then call as above
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> right
# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> so I _think_ you can do that too
# [07:51] <njn> bz_sleep: ok, I'll try, thanks!
# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> with some traits classes
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# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> so something like...
# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> actaully
# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> the simplest way to do this
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# [07:52] <@bz_sleep> is to have a typedef in ContextT
# [07:52] <@bz_sleep> for the StmtInfoT
# [07:52] <@bz_sleep> so something like:
# [07:52] <@bz_sleep> class MyStmtInfo {};
# [07:52] <njn> mmm
# [07:52] <@bz_sleep> class MyContext { typedef MyStmtInfo StmtInfo; };
# [07:52] <@bz_sleep> and then in the template do:
# [07:52] <@bz_sleep> ContextT::StmtInfo *stmt = ct->topStmt;
# [07:53] <@bz_sleep> that assumes you get to add the typedef, of course
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# [07:53] <@bz_sleep> If you don't, you can get the equivalent with a traits class
# [07:53] <@bz_sleep> with the typedef in there
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# [07:53] * @bz_sleep bets there are more clever ways of doing this too, but...
# [07:53] <njn> bz_sleep: I can add the typedef
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# [07:55] <njn> it just feels like glorified macro expansion
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# [07:59] <njn> bz_sleep: I now have this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1662552, and I'm getting "error: ‘stmt’ was not declared in this scope"
# [08:00] <njn> on line 5
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# [08:00] <philor> cpearce: I backed you out, I'd tell you in bug 726191 except I can't access it, and I'd tell you here except you aren't here
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# [08:03] <kinetik> philor: it's actually bug 762191
# [08:04] <njn> bz_sleep: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1662554 is a toy example that gives the same error
# [08:04] <jaws> can someone with security privs make the change that this comment is requesting? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762191#c10
# [08:04] <philor> kinetik: oh. nevermind, then :)
# [08:05] <njn> bz_sleep: I just learned about the "typename" keyword...!
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# [08:06] <kinetik> jaws: it's not a regular security bug, i can't access it either
# [08:06] <jaws> oh...
# [08:06] <jaws> thanks for trying kinetik
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# [08:08] <Honza> Is it possible to use Java in Firefox extensions?
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# [08:10] <Honza> njn: I hope too, it's just that somebody is asking In Firebug group and I wanted to answer ;-)
# [08:12] <Unfocused> used to be able to, don't think you can anymore
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# [08:12] <@khuey> Honza: just tell them no ;-)
# [08:13] <Honza> khuey: just doing so :-)
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# [08:13] <njn> Honza: tell them if they want to program in Java, they'll have to work on the Fennec front-end
# [08:14] <Honza> good point
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# [08:14] <njn> Honza: it was meant to be a joke... :)
# [08:14] <Honza> njn: ha!
# [08:15] <Honza> almost sent it ;-)
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# [08:15] <JonathanS> There is clownshoes in the JS engine?
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# [08:19] <JonathanS> Unfocused http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/2363807_o.gif :)
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# [08:32] <AryehGregor> philor, you would be amazed how many bugs I've caught with all that excessiveness. Like, did you know that using CSS transforms to translate a file input left truncates it? Only using CSS transforms (not relative positioning etc.), only translation to the left (not right or top or bottom), only file inputs (not any of the other 18 or so input types in the spec).
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# [08:34] <AryehGregor> I think in some cases my tests could be made less excessive, though, in some cases of combinatorial explosion.
# [08:35] <smontagu> AryehGregor++
# [08:36] <philor> other than end-to-end time, I really don't care if you test every atom in the world, I'd just rather not hear about each one of them every single time
# [08:36] <smontagu> for your penultimate line, not your last one
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# [08:38] <AryehGregor> We could modify testharnessreport.js so that it doesn't log successes or something like that, I guess.
# [08:38] <AryehGregor> Have it output an info line at the end saying how many passed, or something like that.
# [08:38] <AryehGregor> That would still leave all the failures -- but that's just an incentive for us to fix bugs! :)
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# [08:39] <AryehGregor> philor, also, since I'm talking with you: Windows try servers have been taking like a day to complete, regularly, for the last couple of days. Is there some kind of hardware shortage or something?
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# [08:40] <benjamin> there's a bug...
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# [08:43] <philor> we keep adding branches, and test suites, and people keep wanting to add hundreds of thousands of tests, without anyone having the nerve to say "you know what? we need to buy more hardware."
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# [08:52] <philor> "setup is not defined"? what is this "setup" of which you speak?
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# [09:15] <Ms2ger> philor|away, we've already got a a mochitest-Aryeh hunk, it's called M2 ;)
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# [09:19] <glandium> http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[81,1,18]]&sel=1339138956302,1339743756302&displayrange=7&datatype=running \o/
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# [09:21] <Ms2ger> \o_
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# [09:37] <edmorley> glandium: cause?
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# [09:37] <edmorley> or just gremlins
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# [09:38] <glandium> edmorley: cf. dev-tree-management
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# [09:39] * AryehGregor notes to self: things like bug 563659 are way too much work
# [09:39] <edmorley> glandium: ah I see, thank you
# [09:40] <Ms2ger> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=19c9591ca7ea \o/
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# [09:40] <Ms2ger> 15248 INFO Passed: 203746
# [09:40] <Ms2ger> 15249 INFO Failed: 0
# [09:40] <Ms2ger> 15250 INFO Todo: 21478
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# [09:47] <Ms2ger> MarcoZ, boo, yammer ;)
# [09:48] <AryehGregor> I guess warnings-as-errors doesn't work with Clang . . .
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# [09:53] <AryehGregor> What function is this calling? http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/editor/libeditor/base/nsEditor.cpp.html?string=nsEditor.cpp#l1942
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# [09:54] <AryehGregor> Oh, it's in nsIContent . . .
# [09:54] <AryehGregor> No, that's just the prototype.
# [09:54] * AryehGregor scratches head
# [09:54] <gaston> so is there smth special to know when commiting to aurora, besides adding the a= to the commit msg ?
# [09:55] <AryehGregor> gaston, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules#mozilla-aurora
# [09:55] <AryehGregor> That should be all.
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# [09:56] <AryehGregor> Oh, I see -- the nsIContent prototype gives defaults, just the specific class doesn't.
# [09:56] * AryehGregor doesn't know why that didn't compile, but whatever
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# [10:00] <edmorley> Ms2ger++
# [10:00] <Ms2ger> What'd I do? :)
# [10:00] <edmorley> now all we need to do, is do similar for all the rest of our tests...
# [10:01] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [10:01] <edmorley> bloaty logs hang zee brwoser
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# [10:02] * edmorley looks longingly at bug 762710
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# [10:04] <glazou> bonjour
# [10:04] <edmorley> glandium: m-c burning
# [10:04] <edmorley> glazou: hi :-)
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# [10:06] <glandium> edmorley: the win debug one is not me. a clobber would fix it, but there's a bug to filed, i think.
# [10:06] <glandium> edmorley: the pgo one is me :( msvc sucks
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# [10:07] <edmorley> thank you
# [10:07] <edmorley> I'll file the win debug
# [10:09] <glandium> edmorley: do you have access to build bots ?
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# [10:15] <AryehGregor> Yay, I finally got my patch to compile! Unfortunately, it doesn't link.
# [10:16] <edmorley> glandium: sorry I don't
# [10:16] <glandium> trying #build
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# [10:24] <glandium> edmorley: do you want me to clobber and retrigger the win debug?
# [10:30] <edmorley> glandium: yes please :-)
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# [10:33] <glandium> edmorley: I'll leave it to you to star it with the bug you file :)
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# [10:49] <MarcoZ> Ms2ger: LOL! Facebook is much, much worse, believe me! :)
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# [10:50] <glandium> edmorley: so, here's what I think is the reasonable way forward: I'm going to land a fixup that will make win pgo happy and file a bug to find why it's necessary and eventually remove it.
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# [10:55] <NeilAway> glandium: would static int Test(void *); have worked?
# [10:55] <glandium> NeilAway: ?
# [10:55] <NeilAway> glandium: sorry, bug 616262
# [10:56] <glandium> i don't follow
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# [11:00] <NeilAway> glandium: I was wondering why you used ...
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# [11:03] <glandium> NeilAway: why i used... ?
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# [11:04] <Ms2ger> glandium, variadic
# [11:04] <@smaug> we all want more perl code in the tree, right?
# [11:04] <@smaug> hmm
# [11:04] <Ms2ger> Denied
# [11:04] <@smaug> no, unfortunately the code I need to use is python already :(
# [11:04] * @smaug writes a event implementation code generator
# [11:05] <@smaug> s/a/an/
# [11:05] <glandium> NeilAway: aaaah in mfbt/TypeTraits.h ?
# [11:05] <NeilAway> glandium: right
# [11:05] <Ms2ger> Finally ;)
# [11:06] * NeilAway will simply ask Ms2ger to interpret for him next time
# [11:06] <Ms2ger> Hmm, Stringification of document.body.classList; assert_equals: {}.toString.call(document.body.classList) expected "[object DOMTokenList]" but got ""
# [11:06] <Ms2ger> peterv?
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# [11:09] <glandium> NeilAway: yeah, it would probably work with void * ; i used variadic because it was derived from something more complicated i had before (and that did something different)
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# [11:11] <NeilAway> glandium: fair enough
# [11:13] * glandium would like a button on tbpl that files bugs so that i'm not the bug filer and don't have to hear about all subsequent oranges
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# [11:19] <edmorley> glandium: wfm re: pgo
# [11:20] <edmorley> glandium: agree about the filer, it's on my wishlist
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# [11:23] <edmorley> glandium: the only problem with a bot filing is that as philor pointed out for something similar yesterday, we'd need to be careful about allowing it as an avenue for mass spamming b.m.o
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# [11:27] <Ms2ger> glob, hmm, banning tbplbot, that's going to make you popular :)
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# [11:28] <glob> Ms2ger, :D
# [11:28] <glob> edmorley, something that's been requested before is the ability for the reporter to opt out of bugmail for bugs
# [11:28] <glob> (on a per-bug basis, of course)
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# [11:29] <edmorley> glob: yeah, it was more having a bot filer would at least mean we weren't blocked on bugzilla development :-)
# [11:29] <edmorley> personally I don't mind too much, since I filter tbplbot stuff to trash, since I don't own any tests
# [11:29] <edmorley> and I only file them
# [11:29] <glob> edmorley, fair enough :)
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# [11:30] <glob> edmorley, one that that's much quicker to develop is custom web services
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# [11:30] <edmorley> for others (who unlike me don't use gmail and thus can filter on x-headers), they can still filter on role=reported but !role=CC and commenter=tbplbot; to stop the spam
# [11:30] <glob> edmorley, so if the bot wants to do weird things, such as updating the reporter of a bug, we can accommodate that
# [11:30] <edmorley> and then CC on any bugs for tests in their own component
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# [11:31] <glob> edmorley, eg. you file as yourself, then ask the bot to take over as the reporter for the bug
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# [11:33] <edmorley> glob: would a custom b.m.o create bug form, that requires them to be logged in, but sets the reporter as foo but for logging purposes puts (a spam obscured form of) their email address somewhere in the bug comment be easy enough?
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# [11:34] <glob> edmorley, yes, we do something very similar for security's "lost device" form
# [11:34] <edmorley> awesome
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# [12:00] <glandium> oh my, msvc is stupid
# [12:01] <Callek> glandium: ugh why?
# [12:02] <glandium> Callek: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1662591 this is the code it generates for isSkippable ? SkippableDummy::CanSkipImpl : NULL (with isSkippable being a const bool and equal to false)
# [12:02] <glandium> (when not optimizing, and i guess it does something similar when doing pgo)
# [12:03] * Callek head slaps
# [12:05] <Callek> glandium: well fwiw iirc PGO first pass builds are built with no optimizations
# [12:06] <glandium> Callek: they are built with -O1 still, but i guess -GL does some stupid things
# [12:06] <Callek> which "almost" makes sense in my mind, but I think, if *possible* we should optimize |-Os| every path that isn't technically touched by PGO
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# [12:07] <Callek> glandium: oo is isSkippable extern?
# [12:07] <glandium> i wonder if there's some program to read WPO objects
# [12:07] <Callek> glandium: I suppose if it is, it might be trying to be good, (and utterly failing)
# [12:08] <glandium> Callek: static const member of a class
# [12:08] <glandium> so technically, yeah, kind of extern
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# [12:09] <glandium> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2010/04/01/vc-tip-get-detailed-build-throughput-diagnostics-using-msbuild-compiler-and-linker.aspx unrelated, but interesting
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# [12:17] <Yoric> Anyone with MacOS 10.6 around here?
# [12:17] <Yoric> If so, I am looking for one piece of information.
# [12:17] <Yoric> Where is libsystem_c.dylib on MacOS 10.6?
# [12:17] <Yoric> (same question for MacOS 10.5, btw)
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# [12:21] <glandium> edmorley: did you file the win debug red?
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# [12:22] <edmorley> glandium: I'd not pressed submit, whoops, have now bug 765173
# [12:23] <glandium> edmorley: we're not using pymake on build slaves, are we?
# [12:23] <edmorley> no
# [12:23] <edmorley> sadly
# [12:24] <edmorley> bug 593585, blocked on bug 741014
# [12:24] <darktrojan> is it "an URL" or "a URL"?
# [12:24] <edmorley> a
# [12:25] <Mossop> a you are ell
# [12:25] <darktrojan> no YOU are ell
# [12:25] <edmorley> http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/a-versus-an.aspx
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# [12:28] <glandium> so y is a consonant sound?
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# [12:30] <darktrojan> yeah
# [12:31] <Philip> Except in e.g. "an yttrium", where it's a vowelly 'i' sound
# [12:31] <paul> smaug: you're right. But the default setting is on mac is good.
# [12:31] <darktrojan> my point was people pronounce URL as if it rhymes with girl
# [12:31] <Philip> Some people pronounce "URL" like "earl", so it would use "an", but they're weird people
# [12:31] <@smaug> paul: huh
# [12:32] * @smaug has long ago given up with OSX
# [12:32] <darktrojan> I should change my comment to say "a URI"
# [12:32] <darktrojan> since nobody says 'an ooree'
# [12:32] <Philip> I think some people pronounce "URI" like "Uri Geller"
# [12:32] * Philip has no evidence for that, though
# [12:33] <darktrojan> it's still a
# [12:33] <paul> smaug: so far (12 hours) I like it :)
# [12:34] <Philip> darktrojan: http://www.uri-geller.com/who.htm says his name is pronounced "ooo-ree"
# [12:34] <@smaug> paul: I assume you don't use keyboard shortcuts too much
# [12:34] <darktrojan> o rly
# [12:34] <darktrojan> :)
# [12:34] <ttaubert> Philip: no one here in Germany says it like that ;)
# [12:34] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, ooo-really?
# [12:34] <_AtilA_> hehehe here in Spain we pronounce URL spelling each letter
# [12:35] <darktrojan> exactly Ms2ger
# [12:35] <@smaug> argh, my review queue is getting longer
# [12:35] <_AtilA_> but we say URI as "Uri Geller"
# [12:35] <Philip> darktrojan: You could always try using "IRI" instead of "URL", since surely nobody pronounces that like "eery"
# [12:35] <Ms2ger> I do!
# [12:35] <darktrojan> rhymes with siri
# [12:36] * darktrojan chuckles at the fuss one letter in a comment on code nobody reads can cause
# [12:37] <Ms2ger> "Nerd snipe" is the concept you were looking for
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# [12:53] <mkaply> The Web Console doesn't have chrome privileges by default, does it?
# [12:53] <Yoric> Code executed in the Web Console doesn't, at least.
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# [12:54] <Yoric> (unless you open the Web Console on a chrome content)
# [12:55] <mkaply> someone on my blog claimed that you could paste this into the web console to get private browsing
# [12:55] <mkaply> window.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsIInterfaceRequestor).getInterface(Components.interfaces.nsIWebNavigation).QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsIDocShellTreeItem).rootTreeItem.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsIInterfaceRequestor).getInterface(Components.interfaces.nsIDOMWindow).gPrivateBrowsingUI.toggleMode();
# [12:55] <mkaply> I get permission denied
# [12:55] <Yoric> From the "new tab", you can.
# [12:55] <Yoric> (or from "about:about")
# [12:55] <Yoric> The new tab seems to have chrome privileges.
# [12:56] <Yoric> "new tab" = "about:newtab"
# [12:56] <mkaply> Well that's annoying
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# [12:59] <Mossop> Last thing we need is a webpage tricking users into hitting ctrl+shift+k, ctrl+v, enter. Adding the ctrl+t to the start of that makes all the difference!
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# [13:00] <mkaply> Mossop: I'm sure Jesse will come up with some game that makes people do that accidentally :)
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# [13:00] <darktrojan> yeah but if they hit ctrl+t the instructions will disappear and they'll get confused
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# [13:05] <edmorley> glandium: that orange sadly isn't intermittent
# [13:06] <edmorley> glandium: I'm presuming caused by bug 616262
# [13:07] * Ms2ger hopes bz_sleep will like the 500k patch in his queue
# [13:07] <edmorley> bug?
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# [13:07] <Ms2ger> bug 765177
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# [13:11] <edmorley> glandium: ping
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# [13:18] <glandium> edmorley: that doesn't make sense. it didn't show up on try yesterday
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# [13:19] <glandium> edmorley: i'm tempted to think it needs a clobber
# [13:19] <glandium> edmorley: there could be some dependency issues that doesn't make everything that needs to be rebuilt rebuilt
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# [13:20] <edmorley> glandium: ok :-)
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# [13:23] <glandium> edmorley: i'm clobbering windows, if that indeed fixes it, we should probably clobber all trees for good measure
# [13:23] <edmorley> yeah :-)
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# [13:26] <glandium> edmorley: the win debug oth result should already give a hint, since it's a clobber
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# [13:27] <edmorley> true
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# [13:29] <glandium> erf, the nightly happened on the pgo-broken changeset
# [13:30] <glandium> edmorley: if we trigger a nightly on da8c6039c25e, will it properly replace the current nightly ?
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# [13:30] <edmorley> glandium: now that there is enough gap that the snippet generation won't race; yes
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# [13:32] <glandium> edmorley: or we can wait ~13 minutes and see what happens with the win debug oth test
# [13:32] <glandium> and trigger a nightly on a81526647059 after that
# [13:32] <glandium> nah, probably better to go the safe route
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# [13:39] <Steve> plugin interface q if anyone's about - PluginInstanceChild casts a window member to an HDC rather than an HWND on windows. From within the plugin itself how do I tell if it's supposed to be an HWND HDC or shared surface handle ? or is that just an internal hack that isn't exposed in the plugin ?
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# [13:40] <gfritzsche> Steve, HWND if windowed (default), HDC if windowless, shared surface if you setup that
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# [13:41] <Steve> thanks, so it's configured that way after you request the interface type you want. arse. that means I can't null that field to indicate I don't want windowed mode plugins :(
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# [13:43] <Steve> thinking out loud. maybe I still can. before you set the interface type you want it's an HWND by default. if I ensure that HWND is always passed as null, I've implicitly said HWND mode plugins are not supported.
# [13:44] <Steve> unless you have a better idea. I know ff isn't implementing this yet.
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# [13:44] <Steve> shared surface handle hopefully - haven't checked yet.
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# [13:47] <gfritzsche> Steve, well, windowed / windowless is negotiated initially and you'd still break all plugins that want windowed
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# [13:48] <Steve> yes. it will break any plugin that doesn't check to see if windowed mode is supported by checking it gets a non-null window handle. from my perspective, plugins that use a window handle are broken anyway so I lose nothing.
# [13:48] <Steve> if they crash, well, then they're not compatible. simple as.
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# [13:49] <gfritzsche> if you are fine with them not working you could also just never call NPP_SetWindow ?
# [13:50] <AryehGregor> Ooh, ooh.
# [13:50] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, I found something that my Range tests missed!
# [13:50] <AryehGregor> This calls for another 50,000 tests or so, I think.
# [13:50] <Ms2ger> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
# [13:50] <AryehGregor> Actually, it's a bug with my patch.
# [13:51] <Steve> that's an option too. thought of it but would prefer to be explicit. that call passes the dimensions of the render target, etc so is useful even without a handle
# [13:51] <Steve> but might change my mind as I experiment. if not calling proves to be more stable, that's the way to go.
# [13:51] <AryehGregor> Actually, it's a bug with an old version of my patch.
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# [13:53] <glandium> edmorley: at least, the win debug oth is green
# [13:53] <edmorley> :-)
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# [13:55] <Steve> gfritzsche: thanks. will experiment.
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# [13:55] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, what happens if you have a DocumentFragment whose contents are entirely contained within the range and you call deleteContents()? My buggy patched Gecko did nothing.
# [13:55] <AryehGregor> But still passed all my tests!
# [13:55] <AryehGregor> Noooo!
# [13:56] <Ms2ger> You're importing those yourself ;)
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# [13:58] <zzzzz> edmorley: tbpl m-c confused ? why are nightly's still running from jgriffin's push at 18:27 PDT yesterday ?
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# [13:59] <zzzzz> oh, wait.. guess I"m confused - those were apparantly just triggered - getting around the PGO bustage deal... ignore me :P
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# [14:03] <gfritzsche> Steve, sure, good luck
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# [14:04] <Steve> cheers. it's fairly straightforward. you've already done the hard work. remaining tricky bit is persuading plugin developers to use the new interface :)
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# [14:07] <Steve> our plugin will support the new interface, so that's one for starters.
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# [14:09] <gfritzsche> yes, it will probably take a while without real incentives... i haven't worked on those things though (or not yet)
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# [14:10] <Steve> the incentive in our tech is it's necessary to interact with our rendering engine but as we have a weird quirky thing that no-one's using yet that may or may not help. we'll see.
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# [14:14] <Steve> we're going into open beta soon. as I understand it, using gecko in one of our plugins isn't a problem (pls let me know if it is). no credit list yet but should probably add one. is there a list of gecko developers somewhere I can add ?
# [14:15] <NeilAway> Steve: www.mozilla.org/credits/ perhaps
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# [14:16] <Steve> cool. thanks neil. that will do nicely.
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# [14:25] <AryehGregor> Would it have been possible for someone to come up with more descriptive method names for "IsPurple" and "RemovePurple"?
# [14:25] <AryehGregor> I mean, really?
# [14:26] <smontagu> I never saw a purple cow
# [14:26] <smontagu> I never hope to see one
# [14:26] <smontagu> I'll tell you this much anyhow
# [14:26] <smontagu> I'd rather see than be one.
# [14:26] <Ms2ger> smontagu, hmm, Cross-Origin-Wrappers in the purple buffer...
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# [14:28] <@smaug> AryehGregor: "IsInCycleCollectorPurpleBuffer" ?
# [14:28] <@smaug> "IsInCycleCollectorPreCycleCollectionBuffer"
# [14:29] <@smaug> "IsInCycleCollectorsPossibleGarbageBuffer"
# [14:29] <AryehGregor> smaug, BTW, if I ever finish this ElementOrFragment patch, who's a good reviewer?
# [14:29] <Ms2ger> smaug, now, in all caps and with underscores :)
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# [14:29] <@smaug> AryehGregor: I'd say sicking
# [14:29] <AryehGregor> k.
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# [14:30] <AryehGregor> Lame -- clang warns for extraneous parentheses around an equality comparison, but the equality comparison is wrapped in a macro.
# [14:30] <AryehGregor> if (JS_DHASH_ENTRY_IS_FREE(entry))
# [14:30] <AryehGregor> #define JS_DHASH_ENTRY_IS_FREE(entry) ((entry)->keyHash == 0)
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# [14:31] <@smaug> me neither
# [14:31] <@smaug> do I really want to write python
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# [14:33] <NeilAway> smaug: isn't there some intern who can do that for you? or maybe Ms2ger ;-)
# [14:33] <Ms2ger> smaug, yes you do :)
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# [14:36] <Optimizer> we don;t yet animate gradients via transitions ?
# [14:36] <Optimizer> any type
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# [14:37] <AryehGregor> " error: use of undeclared identifier 'nsLayoutStatics'; did you mean 'nsLayoutUtils'?"
# [14:37] <Yoric|Alas> make[8]: *** No rule to make target `../../../xpcom/idl-parser/xpidllex.py', needed by `libs'. Stop.
# [14:37] <AryehGregor> No, of course I didn't, they're two totally different classes. Stop trying to be clever.
# [14:38] <Yoric|Alas> Mmmhhh.... I forgot how to fix this one.
# [14:38] <NeilAway> huh, that sucks
# [14:38] <Yoric|Alas> (this is while building from a clean clone)
# [14:38] <Ms2ger> Optimizer, I think not
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# [14:38] <NeilAway> pulling a change that you have locally still updates the timestamp, although the file has not changed :-(
# [14:39] <Optimizer> not even using keyframes, right ?
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# [14:46] <Yoric> Ah, maybe my clone was not quite so clean.
# [14:47] <NeilZZZ> hg st -in | xargs rm
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# [14:55] <Yoric> NeilZZZ: A tad violent, isn't it :)
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# [15:29] <capella> edmorley: glandium: did bug 765172 get resolved with the clobber try?
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# [15:29] <edmorley> capella: yes :-)
# [15:30] <capella> thanks ! :)
# [15:31] <glandium> edmorley: huh? win oth is not done yet
# [15:32] <glandium> or is my tbpl outdated?
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# [15:32] <edmorley> glandium: oh, i'd seen the others had been starred, but was WG9s
# [15:33] <edmorley> that plus the debug foced clobber, I thought you were sure
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# [15:33] <edmorley> I'd not looked to see who had starred
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# [15:33] <glandium> edmorley: well, that's a hint that it might be okay. i'm still waiting for actual proof
# [15:34] <edmorley> yeah I agree, I just normally live in unstarred only world and poke my head out occasionally
# [15:35] * edmorley must file that bug on getting pending/running to show on unstarred only
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# [15:37] <Cork> bug 755750 appears to have caused firefox to change its runtime name in linux (at least)
# [15:37] <Cork> is this expected or a bug?
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# [15:37] <Cork> instead of "firefox" it now states "Main Thread"
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# [15:39] <WG9s> edmorley: is there an issue you have with my starring?
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# [15:39] <glandium> Cork: probably not the right bug
# [15:39] <WG9s> but then actually I think i get it I copied the builds glandium starred wtih a but to toher buileds with the same issue starring with the same bug number.
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# [15:40] <WG9s> so I was only copying.
# [15:40] <Cork> glandium: i've done a bisect and thats changeset: 94545:b26828182aea is what it gave me
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# [15:40] <edmorley> WG9s: not really; I had just seen that glandium had left the later ones unstarred until we worked out what was going on (given that the orange wasn't intermittent, so shouldnt have been filed), so when I saw them starred, thought he was happy with the clobber explanation
# [15:40] <edmorley> :-)
# [15:40] <glandium> Cork: your bisect must be wrong
# [15:40] <Cork> might be
# [15:41] <glandium> Cork: your problem sounds like bug 720778 might be the origin
# [15:41] <WG9s> OK so I starred things that I should not have. based on previous starring. I can buy that. esp since i was not on IRC at the time so not following what was going on.
# [15:42] <glandium> edmorley: note that if clobber fixes it, there *is* an underlying bug
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# [15:42] <edmorley> WG9s: it's not your fault :-)
# [15:42] <edmorley> glandium: ok, can I leave you to file or reopen that bug? :-)
# [15:42] <glandium> edmorley: sure
# [15:43] <WG9s> well yes would seem to indicate either an issue with dependencies, or someone made a change impacting dependencies and did not realize a lobber would be required as result of the change.
# [15:43] <WG9s> s/lobber/clobber/
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# [15:44] <capella> its slobbering time
# [15:45] <glandium> crap, turned orange :(
# [15:46] <glandium> makes no sense
# [15:46] <WG9s> edmoreley: I was aloso thinkging we should either re-trigger at least windows nightlies on cahngeset a81526647059 or , if it is important to keep all paltform nightlies ont he same changest then all platforms
# [15:46] <WG9s> and sorry for crappy spelling and typing.
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# [15:47] <WG9s> I even screwed up your name. :-(
# [15:47] <glandium> WG9s: nightlies on the ftp are now all for da8c6039c25e (except windows that isn't built yet)
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# [15:49] <WG9s> glandium: actually nighties are all on c1c12246f5ac which fails under windows and requires a81526647059 to fix the issue.
# [15:49] <glandium> WG9s: no, i triggered nightlies on the changeset before that afterwards, and on the ftp, they are al on da8c6039c25e now
# [15:49] <glandium> edmorley: to add to the fun, the win pgo oth is... green
# [15:50] <WG9s> wonder why my linus siystem si running c1c12246f5ac then
# [15:50] <WG9s> but OK if you aready took care of the sindows issue that is fine with me.
# [15:51] <glandium> WG9s: you probably upgraded at the "wrong" time
# [15:51] <glandium> WG9s: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/firefox-16.0a1.en-US.linux-i686.txt
# [15:52] <WG9s> Well my thinking is that retriggering based on the updated before the issue rreather than going forward to the one wiht the fix, might make issues for people who did the update when I did, but that is just me.
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# [15:53] <WG9s> but it seems i was wrong just did a check for updates and it took me back to da8c6039c25e with a aprtial update
# [15:53] <glandium> WG9s: if you go to about firefox you should get the new nightly
# [15:53] <glandium> yeah, the updater has no notion of what is older than what, changeset-wise
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# [15:54] <WG9s> I think the real thing though is that the check to find last green build needs to not pick builds that have RED B's on PGPO builds. I realize that would not catch all cases opf pgo issues but certainly would ahve prevented this one.
# [15:55] <WG9s> and would have built da8c6039c25e in the first place.
# [15:55] <glandium> WG9s: true. since nighlies are pgo builds...
# [15:56] <glandium> edmorley: I'm preparing a backout :(
# [15:56] <edmorley> glandium: ok, thank you
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# [15:56] <WG9s> but code needs to be different becuase if there is no pgo build for that ceheckin does not need to prevent it being used.
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# [15:58] <Yoric> Do we have #define for cygwin?
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# [15:59] <edmorley> Ms2ger: have you filed a bug for making those logs shorter? I'd like to add it as a dependant for a new meta I'm creating
# [15:59] <Yoric> Actually, do we want FF to build with Cygwin at all?
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# [16:00] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I stuck it in some bug, look at philor's feedback queue?
# [16:01] <WG9s> OIC now both pathes are bing backed out.
# [16:01] <edmorley> Ms2ger: thanks
# [16:01] <edmorley> :-)
# [16:01] <Ms2ger> Np
# [16:01] <WG9s> so I guess i need to redo my own nightly like builds that I publish.
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# [16:05] <WG9s> re-triggering my builds now.
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# [16:12] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I wonder who you were referencing there in point 2) :)
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# [16:19] <WG9s> POK now respinning all my builds based off da8c6039c25e
# [16:20] <edmorley> Ms2ger: heh :-)
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# [16:22] <froydnj> Yoric: __CYGWIN__
# [16:22] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [16:34] <mbrubeck> philor, edmorley: Looks like bug 726191 was not the real culprit for test_videocontrols. I'm going to re-land; can someone with sg access leave a comment in the bug?
# [16:35] <edmorley> mbrubeck: ok
# [16:35] <philor> mbrubeck: wrong bug number
# [16:35] <edmorley> mbrubeck: oh that was a bad number
# [16:35] <philor> and, um, not the culprit?
# [16:35] <philor> it failed every single M5
# [16:35] <edmorley> mbrubeck: it's access denied to me too
# [16:35] <edmorley> anyway
# [16:35] <mbrubeck> philor: Oh, oops
# [16:35] <mbrubeck> philor: Serves me right for only looking at Android
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# [16:39] <philor> we aim to baffle
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# [16:55] <Yoric> What is the official version of VS we are using for releasing Firefox?
# [16:55] <jlebar> Yoric, 2010
# [16:55] <Yoric> Thanks
# [16:56] <jlebar> Where do I find the hg rev of the latest Aurora build? I can't seem to find Aurora on ftp.m.o
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# [16:57] <glandium> jlebar: nightly/latest-mozilla-aurora/*.txt
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# [16:58] <jlebar> glandium, Ah, of course! :)
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# [17:00] <jlebar> Wow, today's nightly is really messed up. Individual tabs freeze as I navigate, or when I type things in the search bar.
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# [17:02] <glandium> jlebar: nightly nightly or nightly aurora ?
# [17:02] <jlebar> nightly nightly.
# [17:02] <BenWa> jlebar: Yea, it feels like it's really bad for me on Mac
# [17:03] <Cwiiis> is there a way of easily printing the type of a frame (human-readable) outside of a debug build?
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# [17:03] <Ms2ger> I doubt it
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# [17:03] <@bz_sleep> goddamit
# [17:03] <@bz_sleep> did someone update skia again?
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# [17:04] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I saw some stuff go into skia
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# [17:04] <@bz> every effing time that happens clang builds break
# [17:04] <jfkthame> bz: bug 765038 ?
# [17:05] <@bz> because these skia people like their invalid type conversions
# [17:05] <Ms2ger> bz, and BSD ones :)
# [17:05] <Callek> bz: Bug 761890
# [17:05] <Callek> :/ https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=892f95753777
# [17:05] <@bz> jfkthame: thanks!
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# [17:06] <glandium> Callek: what about it?
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# [17:06] <glandium> Callek: ah, it merges 761890
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# [17:06] <Callek> glandium: yea
# [17:07] * @bz wonders how long it is until bisecting on Mac becomes a living hell of compiler suck. ;)
# [17:07] <@bz> as in, until the bisect ranges include changesets that only compile on gcc4.2 and other changesets that only compile on clang
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# [17:08] * jfkthame wonders why we don't have a clang build on tbpl, so people can see right away if they break it
# [17:08] <BenWa> bz: That's why we should keep ftp build around much longer
# [17:08] <BenWa> The cost of compiling one is far greater then the cost of storing builds we will rarely access
# [17:09] <@bz> BenWa: well, sure
# [17:09] <@bz> BenWa: I'm talking about bisecting to a changeset; I assume one bisects to the day using nightlies
# [17:09] <@bz> jfkthame: we're working on it
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# [17:09] <@bz> jfkthame: part of the problem is deploying clang to all the boxes; being worked on
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# [17:10] <@bz> jfkthame: have to be a little careful with the version... ;)
# [17:10] <BenWa> bz: IMO we should consider keeping m-c, m-i TBPL builds
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# [17:10] <BenWa> I wonder how much data that is *does quick math(
# [17:10] <jlebar> BenWa++
# [17:10] <jlebar> One should be able to compress these with a binary compression algorithm.
# [17:10] <@bz> BenWa: hmm
# [17:11] <BenWa> Even if it's a few hundred dollars in EC2 storage it would be totally worth it
# [17:11] <@bz> BenWa: so we have something like 5000 pushes a month
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# [17:11] <BenWa> bz: To the branches we care about the most. We wouldn't keep try
# [17:11] <BenWa> ?*
# [17:11] <@bz> BenWa: lemme check on that number
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# [17:12] <@bz> So for may 2012
# [17:12] <@bz> John says we had 5246 pushes
# [17:12] <@bz> 46% of them to try
# [17:12] <tbsaunde> presumably if you also compress all of the days pushes in a giant tarball there's a fair bit of duplication between builds
# [17:12] <@bz> 23.4% inbound
# [17:12] <tbsaunde> although maybe not because of PGO
# [17:13] <@bz> so if we just look at m-c
# [17:13] <@bz> and m-i
# [17:13] <@bz> That
# [17:13] <@bz> 's about 1500 pushes in May
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# [17:13] <jlebar> tbsaunde, We could probably use bsdiff if we really cared about being small.
# [17:13] <@bz> for each push we have win32, win64, linux32, linux64, mac
# [17:14] <@bz> right?
# [17:14] <jlebar> Or courgette.
# [17:14] <jlebar> bz, right.
# [17:14] <@bz> figure 20M each on average?
# [17:14] <BenWa> So good so far.
# [17:14] * @bz is totally guessing
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# [17:14] <@bz> so figure 100MB per push
# [17:14] <@bz> (modulo binary compression stuffs)
# [17:14] <jfkthame> don't forget the android builds :)
# [17:14] <froydnj> just opt, no symbols, right?
# [17:14] <glandium> bz: mac is twice the size
# [17:14] <jlebar> SO we're looking at roughly 150gb / mo.
# [17:15] <glandium> bz: and we're now closer to 25MB
# [17:15] * jlebar has a hard drive to donate.
# [17:15] <@bz> call it 300GB / mo to be safe
# [17:15] <@bz> I mean, we're adding stuff
# [17:15] <jlebar> Sure.
# [17:15] <@bz> That seems pretty feasible, at first glance
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# [17:15] <@bz> 3.5 TB of data added per year...
# [17:16] <jlebar> You'd think we could handle that.
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# [17:16] <jlebar> And all of this is assuming we can't compress anything.
# [17:16] <edmorley> then get mozregression using it; profit \o/
# [17:16] <@bz> who wants to file the bug?
# [17:16] <BenWa> $100 to storage a TB of data per year
# [17:16] <jlebar> BenWa, I will if you don't want to.
# [17:17] <jlebar> But you brought it up, so you get first dibs. :)
# [17:17] <BenWa> jlebar: Sure, I request a lot of stuff already :)
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# [17:18] <BenWa> Right so S3 is $100/TB per month. That sounds high
# [17:18] <@bz> well
# [17:19] <@bz> so figure 5 years from now we will have 18TB of data
# [17:19] <@bz> if we keep all this stuff
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# [17:19] <ekr> BenWa: and by high you mean "more than we need to pay" rather than "too high to pay"
# [17:19] <BenWa> I mean higher then I would of expected
# [17:19] <ekr> Since $5k/year seems like "not much money"
# [17:19] <froydnj> well, backups, power, availability, etc. etc.
# [17:19] <ekr> BenWa: agreed.
# [17:19] <@bz> 18*100*12 == 30K
# [17:19] <froydnj> it's not just like you grab a hard drive and set it up somewhere
# [17:19] <@bz> ekr: it's $5k _more_ per year
# [17:19] <ekr> bz: fair enough, I was working off $5k
# [17:19] <BenWa> Cheaper then paying IT to maintain a disk array I bet
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# [17:20] <@bz> ekr: so 0 now, $5k/yr in a year, $10k/yr in 2 years, etc
# [17:20] <@bz> still
# [17:20] <ekr> bz: assuming prices don't come down.
# [17:20] <@bz> sure
# [17:20] <@bz> and assuming codesize and checkin rates don't go up too much
# [17:20] <@bz> and assuming the dollar is still around in 2 years. ;)
# [17:21] <ekr> fair enough. though my sense is that storage has gotten cheaper faster than developers have figured out how to waste it
# [17:21] <vlad> also assuming that we care about 2 year old changeset builds
# [17:21] <@bz> yep
# [17:21] <BenWa> So assuming dev time of $50/hr including overhead (very conservative), we'd have to save 400 hours
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# [17:21] <@khuey> bz: better odds than the euro! :-P
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# [17:22] <@bz> khuey: ;)
# [17:22] <BenWa> haha
# [17:22] <@bz> BenWa: $50/hr is not just conservative, it's insanely low.
# [17:22] <Ms2ger> khuey, you think? :)
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# [17:22] <BenWa> Exactly :)
# [17:22] <@khuey> the other thing is that we don't really need high availability here
# [17:22] <@khuey> we just need them to not lose our data
# [17:23] <@khuey> if you have to postpone your bisection a day, it's usually not a big deal
# [17:23] <@bz> yes
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# [17:23] <@bz> as long as it's automated
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# [17:24] <BenWa> jlebar: Did you file? If not I'll file now
# [17:24] <jlebar> BenWa, Oh, I thought you were saying you wanted to. Be my guest. :)
# [17:24] <BenWa> ok sure
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# [17:25] <jesup> we so should do something like this. As khuey says, semi-offline storage for older stuff is probably fine (if automated). And it's non-mission-critical; loss of data here is annoying but not fatal.
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# [17:30] <edmorley> glandium: think Alive0775 does
# [17:30] <jlebar> You mean Alice?
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# [17:31] <edmorley> er yeah
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# [17:31] <jlebar> "Script error. at resource:///components/BrowserElementParent.js:0"
# [17:31] <jlebar> Sigh. That is so incredibly unhelpful.
# [17:31] <edmorley> indeed :-/
# [17:32] <jlebar> At least we got an error, I guess. Usually they're swallowed whole in that file.
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# [18:20] <gerv> Hey :-) Can a MoCo person tell me either the conference room dialin number for my VidYo room, or how I work it out?
# [18:20] <gerv> I'm on a slow connection, and the VidYo client won't load, and I need to dial in for a meeting via phone.
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# [18:21] <bc> gerv: you have a phone extension? try prefixing it with 9
# [18:21] <gerv> OK.
# [18:21] <gerv> I guess if I dial in to that conference room,
# [18:21] <gerv> I'll find a room there...
# [18:21] <gavin> no, it's not your phone extension
# [18:21] <gerv> but then every number is a room, so I can't tell if it's the one my meet-ee will be in!
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# [18:21] <gavin> gerv: I see two for you: 220 and 9894
# [18:21] <gerv> I have x92
# [18:22] <gerv> 9894 will be it.
# [18:22] <gerv> Thanks.
# [18:22] <gerv> 220 is my standard conference room (phone extension, in theory).
# [18:22] <gavin> ah, interesting
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# [18:22] <gerv> gavin: for future reference, where are you looking to find that? Vidyo client?
# [18:22] <gavin> my phone extension doesn't show up...
# [18:22] <gavin> gerv: the v.mozilla.com portal
# [18:22] <gerv> Right. That won't load for me.
# [18:22] <gerv> Great - thanks :-)
# [18:22] * gerv dials
# [18:22] <bc> we use ctalbert's room and his extension is 304 and the vidyo dial in is 9304
# [18:23] <gavin> bc: interesting, didn't realize some people have it associated with their phone extension
# [18:23] <Ms2ger> Or, well, hSieEIddBVd3
# [18:23] <gerv> Hmm. Conference bridge doesn't seem to think 9894 is valid...
# [18:24] <gerv> I get an engaged tone.
# [18:24] <gavin> 99894?
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# [18:25] <bc> i show both gerv's rooms as empty.
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# [18:26] <gerv> bc: I have 2 rooms?
# [18:26] <gerv> As in, two Vidyo rooms?
# [18:26] <bc> yeah. 9894 and 220
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# [18:26] <bc> you are marked offline and empty in both
# [18:26] <bc> 220 is now available
# [18:27] <gerv> The Vidyo portal only shows me names,
# [18:27] <gerv> and I only find one room for me.
# [18:27] <bc> click on the name and it shows the room status
# [18:27] <bc> search for your name?
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# [18:32] <nemo> http://leongersing.tumblr.com/post/11561298378/my-perception-of-coffeescript
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# [18:35] <jlebar> smaug, ping?
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# [18:39] <jlebar> smaug, unping
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# [18:39] <glandium> edmorley: damn, the win opt moth turned green :-/
# [18:39] <Ms2ger> Noooo, green
# [18:39] <glandium> i was kind of hoping it wouldn't
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# [18:41] <glandium> and since this worked on try yesterday on top of 3f408698a03f, I'll try to bisect...
# [18:43] <@smaug> jlebar: pong, un-pong
# [18:43] <jlebar> :)
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# [18:48] <@smaug> jlebar: and sorry, I'm slow with IRC today. /me blames the combination of heating sauna while hacking python. First one is relaxing, latter one rather irritating.
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# [18:49] <jlebar> smaug, At the same time?
# [18:49] <jlebar> smaug, poor laptop.
# [18:49] <@smaug> hmm, I doubt wifi coverage includes the sauna
# [18:50] <jlebar> smaug, It's weird to hear someone say they don't like Python (I hope for some reason other than the spaces-for-indents). I know someone must not like it, of course...
# [18:50] <@smaug> its syntax is odd
# [18:51] <@smaug> its whitespace handling is odd
# [18:51] <@smaug> well, almost everything is a bit wrong
# [18:51] <jlebar> A bit wrong, or a bit odd?
# [18:51] <@smaug> perhaps odd
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# [18:53] <@smaug> we should write codegens in JS
# [18:53] <mccr8> glandium: edmorley said in that dependent bug that a clobber build fixed the Moth orange. which would explain why a Try build would work. ;)
# [18:53] <glandium> mccr8: no, it didn't
# [18:53] <jlebar> smaug, Just because it's familiar doesn't mean it's *good*.
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# [18:54] <mccr8> oh, weird, then.
# [18:54] <@khuey> js--
# [18:54] <@smaug> jlebar: why do you think python is good?
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# [18:54] <jlebar> smaug, Its designer has taste.
# [18:55] <@smaug> so far I haven't seen anything in it which makes it better than perl :)
# [18:55] <@smaug> jlebar: bad taste
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# [18:55] <jlebar> smaug, It's by far the most pleasant language I've ever used -- to read and write.
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# [18:55] <@smaug> huh
# [18:55] <jlebar> smaug, And the class library is powerful and wel-designed.
# [18:56] <jlebar> smaug, My only beef is that all the implementations are slow.
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# [18:57] <jonwil> Is there any good stuff out there re understanding the Mozilla/Firefox build system? (its in aid of further work on bug 744942)
# [18:57] <jlebar> jonwil, Step 1: Jump off a bridge.
# [18:58] <@khuey> is that what happened to me?
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# [18:58] <Optimizer> how is Bug 747876 different from nsiFile ?
# [18:58] <philor> no, you were thrown
# [18:58] <@khuey> ah
# [18:58] <@khuey> that makes sense
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# [18:58] <@khuey> I knew when shaver said he wanted to show me something on the golden gate bridge I should have been suspicious
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# [19:00] <glandium> jlebar: even jython?
# [19:01] <jonwil> The last time I messed with the Mozilla build system, the all-in-one suite was called Mozilla, the browser-only build didn't exist except possibly as an 0.1 beta experiment, Visual C++ Express didn't exist and some poor schmuck was working on trying to get Mozilla-on-windows to compile with the Windows MingW version of GCC. Nice to know that the build system is still the same impossible-to-read me
# [19:01] <jonwil> ss of hacks :)
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# [19:01] <jonwil> oh and btw, the poor schmuck interested in Moz on MingW was me :)
# [19:01] <jlebar> glandium, I haven't tried it. Is it fast?
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# [19:01] <glandium> jlebar: i don't know, but if it properly translates python to java bytecode, it should be
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# [19:02] <jlebar> glandium, Well "properly". Python is so dynamic, it's hard to do this efficiently. See the failed unladen swallow project.
# [19:02] <glandium> jlebar: that being said, i don't like how python is only half object oriented.
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# [19:02] <glandium> ruby is much better on that front
# [19:03] <jlebar> glandium, I've never been able to get into Ruby. For a scripting language, I like that Python takes zero effort to figure out.
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# [19:03] <glandium> jlebar: for some value of zero that is actually not null
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# [19:05] <dholbert> bz, for that NoScript crash -- did you move the icon to the add-on bar?
# [19:05] <dholbert> bz, I get the asserts you mentioned at its default location (in the navbar) -- but if it's in the add-on bar, I get asserts + the crash
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# [19:06] <jlebar> jmaher, ping?
# [19:07] <jmaher> jlebar: pong
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# [19:07] <jlebar> jmaher, tp5n...is that in graphserver?
# [19:07] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah it is
# [19:07] * jmaher gets a link to it
# [19:07] <jlebar> jmaher, It must not be in the trees I'm looking at.
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# [19:08] <jmaher> jlebar: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[206,1,14],[177,1,14]]&sel=1338977810000,1339779573927&displayrange=7&datatype=running
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# [19:08] <jmaher> jlebar: m-c only right now
# [19:08] <dholbert> bz, (it crashes 100% of the time for me, when the icon is in the addon bar)
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# [19:09] <jlebar> jmaher, That's the "Firefox" tree, right? I really don't see it in there.
# [19:09] <jmaher> jlebar: it is the firefox tree, not sure why it isn't in the list to choose from
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# [19:09] <jmaher> I just know the test id 206, and put it in the url
# [19:09] <jlebar> ...okay.
# [19:09] <jmaher> sort of hacky
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# [19:09] <jlebar> jmaher, It's comparable to tp5 mozafterpaint?
# [19:09] <jlebar> jmaher, sort of?
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# [19:10] <jlebar> jmaher, Do I compare it to tp5 mozafterpaint or tp5r mozafterpaint?
# [19:10] <jmaher> jlebar: if you want a comparison on all platforms, check out: http://people.mozilla.org/~jmaher/sxs/tp5n/sxs.html
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# [19:10] <jmaher> jlebar: very similar to tp5r mozafterpaint
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# [19:10] <jmaher> but slightly adjusted to higher times
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# [19:10] <jlebar> jmaher, What do you mean?
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# [19:11] <jmaher> jlebar: the times for no network access seem a bit higher, we cleaned up all the 404s as well
# [19:11] <jmaher> so we are actually loading more stuff
# [19:11] <vlad> where do WebRT/Apps bugs go?
# [19:11] <jlebar> jmaher, Ah, I understand.
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# [19:12] <jlebar> jmaher, Interesting. Okay. That is what I wanted to see. I won't complain about the complete unusability of the graphserver at this point. I've done enough of that. :)
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# [19:12] <jlebar> jmaher, Thanks!
# [19:12] <jmaher> jlebar: I find my text based information more useful for my specific needs
# [19:13] <jmaher> jlebar: I do know the datazilla stuff is close to ready for a replacement, but there is work to make a usable compare talos function built in as well as comparing per page instead of per page set
# [19:13] <jlebar> jmaher, But last time I saw it, datazilla copied the current graphserver wholesale.
# [19:13] <jmaher> stuff should start being live early next quarter regarding the datazilla graph server
# [19:13] <jlebar> jmaher, Didn't fix any of the existing problems.
# [19:14] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah, so work was stopped on finishing the copy and actually solving new problems
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# [19:14] <jmaher> and just today we are testing the regression finder, hope to run that by more people once the UI is hooked up to it
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# [19:15] <jlebar> jmaher, So you can understand my disappointment that, after being told to "wait for the next new thing, it will solve your problems", the new UI is actually a copy of the old UI. :)
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# [19:15] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah, you want to solve problems, not have the same thing reimplemented
# [19:16] <jlebar> Indeed.
# [19:16] <jmaher> jlebar: well, we canned our quarterly goals to deploy it, etc... so we can add a lot of the features we had on our v2 list
# [19:16] <jlebar> And now I'm not as willing to believe "just wait, we promise we'll solve all the problems after we finish this thing."
# [19:16] <jmaher> oh, we won't solve all problems :)
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# [19:17] <jlebar> jmaher, Or any problems. :)
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# [19:17] <jmaher> jlebar: lets see if the page centric views are useful when you see them
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# [19:18] <jmaher> that is a much more accurate way to calculate regressions than taking a bunch of pages in a pageset and averaging the times together
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# [19:18] <jlebar> jmaher, Well, we'll see if it doesn't create tons of false positives. We shall see. :)
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# [19:19] <jmaher> jlebar: yeah, we have some stuff finally implemented and testing it against regressions that were actually regressions vs noise
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# [19:20] <jmaher> jlebar: anyway, let me know if you have questions about the updated tp5 stuff with no network access
# [19:20] <jlebar> jmaher, Thanks, I will.
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# [19:39] <jonwil> I think I may be close to a viable solution for bug 744942 :)
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# [20:11] <Asa> jprmc: vidyo is down for me (is it for you) (we still meeting)
# [20:11] <Asa> ?
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# [20:11] <Asa> nevermind. it's working now.
# [20:11] <jprmc> Asa: not down for me, and yes, working
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# [20:26] <glandium> well, at least i can reproduce my orange on try with a81526647059... and i can reproduce the green with the same patches on top of 3f408698a03f...
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# [20:28] <Optimizer> pdf.js is still and add-on for me in addons manager page using the latest nightlies. Is is normal ?
# [20:28] <Optimizer> s/and/an
# [20:28] <bdahl> Optimizer: did you install it as an add-on?
# [20:29] <Optimizer> manually, might have, don't remember
# [20:29] <Optimizer> so what should I do now ?
# [20:29] <Optimizer> remove the add-on ?
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# [20:29] <bdahl> Optimizer: to tell if you installed it is there an option to remove it?
# [20:29] <bdahl> option to remove = you installed it
# [20:30] <bdahl> and it that case you can just remove it
# [20:30] <bdahl> *and in
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# [20:30] <Optimizer> ohk and pdf.js will still be there ?
# [20:30] <Optimizer> if I remove it, the functionality will still remain ?
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# [20:31] <bdahl> Optimizer: should be, you may need to also check Application Preferences and check that for the PDF content type it's set to "Preview in Nightly"
# [20:31] <BenWa> mconley: Last thing I see is 20 hours ago, did you forget to push?
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# [20:32] <mconley> BenWa: https://github.com/bgirard/Gecko-Profiler-Addon/pull/11 ?
# [20:32] <Optimizer> it is
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# [20:32] <mconley> BenWa: at the bottom there, 5597c65
# [20:32] <BenWa> ahh ok, I wasn't seeing it
# [20:32] <mconley> coolbeans
# [20:33] <gfritzsche> how would i trigger only specific xpcshell tests? e.g. the ones in toolkit/components/telemetry/tests/unit
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# [20:35] <dholbert> gfritzsche, I think this covers it: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Writing_xpcshell-based_unit_tests#Running_unit_tests
# [20:35] <dholbert> gfritzsche, make -C OBJDIR/path_to_tests/ xpcshell-tests
# [20:36] <gfritzsche> dholbert, ah, thank you
# [20:36] <dholbert> gfritzsche, np!
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# [20:41] <froydnj> 160k tests just in M2?
# [20:41] <froydnj> eek
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# [20:42] <Ms2ger> froydnj, I'm pushing it over 200k, in fact
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# [20:44] <froydnj> ...and it crashed. fantastic
# [20:45] <atuljangra> Hey, who is mentoring https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722988?
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> jdm is
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> He's not around atm
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# [20:47] <atuljangra> okay, I haven't seen him around from few days, Is he out somewhere, or it's juts a matter of timings?
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# [20:47] <espindola> ted, any comments on the new write poisoning patch?
# [20:47] <espindola> or an ETA
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# [20:48] <atuljangra> Ms2ger: ^^^
# [20:48] <rillian> new bug component searchbox++
# [20:48] <Ms2ger> I don't know
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# [20:49] <atuljangra> Ms2ger: Okay :)
# [20:49] <atuljangra> !seen jdm
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> And firebot is on strike
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# [20:50] <atuljangra> ahhhhhhhh, :(
# [20:50] <atuljangra> what happened to firebot?
# [20:50] <BenWa> mconley: Works great. Good job :)
# [20:50] <Ms2ger> Seems to be having issues with connectivity
# [20:51] <atuljangra> Ms2ger:okay :)
# [20:51] <BenWa> mconley: You may want to land SAMPLE_LABEL at knows slow places
# [20:52] <mconley> BenWa: cool - yeah, we'll want to inject some probes for sure
# [20:53] <mconley> BenWa: where is the addon going to be posted? The wiki says http://varium.fantasytalesonline.com/cleopatra/Gecko-Profiler-Addon/geckoprofiler.xpi, but that looks like it's still 1.5.0.
# [20:53] <BenWa> The wiki says that? Umm where
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# [20:54] <mconley> BenWa: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Performance/Profiling_with_the_Built-in_Profiler#Running_the_profiler
# [20:54] <mconley> BenWa: point 2.
# [20:55] <BenWa> I see, updating the link
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# [20:58] <BenWa> mconley: Done, should be good to go
# [20:59] <mconley> BenWa: awesome, thanks so much for all of your help. That was fun.
# [20:59] <BenWa> Well I'm glad to have it working in a non-firefox gecko project :)
# [20:59] <mconley> woo teamwork
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# [21:06] <atuljangra> firebot: Welcome back :)
# [21:06] <firebot> atuljangra: hello
# [21:06] <atuljangra> !seen jdm
# [21:06] <firebot> jdm was last seen 6 days, 17 hours and 57 seconds ago,
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# [21:06] <atuljangra> firebot: thanks
# [21:06] <firebot> atuljangra: np
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# [21:24] <@bz> is that taking everyone else 5+ mins too?
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# [21:25] <froydnj> no
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# [21:25] <froydnj> my push took seconds
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# [21:25] <@bz> hmm
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# [21:25] <@bz> mine are definitely taking 5+ minutes
# [21:25] <@bz> I woner what gives....
# [21:25] <@bz> er, wonder
# [21:26] <froydnj> do they take 5 minutes even with a clean clone?
# [21:26] <@bz> clean clone of which?
# [21:26] <@bz> or rather...
# [21:26] <@bz> how are we defining "clean clone"?
# [21:26] <froydnj> clean clone of whatever tree you push from
# [21:26] <@bz> I guess I could do one and do a test push
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# [21:27] <@bz> basically, when I push to try I get the whole "searching" thing
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# [21:27] <@bz> for a long time
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# [21:27] <@bz> and this is happening in multiple different trees, btw
# [21:28] * @bz wonders whether he should get a new hg version or something
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# [21:28] <glandium> bz: what version of hg are you using? and how many changesets do hg outgoing display?
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# [21:29] <@bz> 1.6
# [21:29] <glandium> bz: also, how much RAM and HD or SSD ?
# [21:29] <@bz> and 2 changesets in hg out
# [21:29] <@bz> 8 gigs ram, SSD
# [21:29] <@bz> though RAM is about 60% in use, of course... ;)
# [21:29] <glandium> yeah, you might want to upgrade hg
# [21:29] <@bz> 3.782u 0.608s 4:47.58 1.5% 0+0k 37+22io 0pf+0w
# [21:29] <@bz> (that's not the clean clone; that's just my tree)
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# [21:29] <@bz> is the clean clone thing still worth measuring?
# [21:30] <glandium> bz: probably not
# [21:30] <@bz> ok
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# [21:30] <@bz> 1.8.3 likely to be better?
# [21:30] <glandium> try 2.1
# [21:30] <@bz> mmm
# [21:30] <@bz> no macport for that
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# [21:30] <@bz> actually
# [21:30] <@bz> one sec
# [21:30] * @bz runs selfupdate
# [21:31] <glandium> this says 2.2.1 https://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/devel/mercurial/Portfile
# [21:31] <@bz> yeah
# [21:31] <@bz> selfupdate
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# [21:31] <@bz> eventually
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# [21:31] <@bz> did I mention I hate software?
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# [21:37] <jesup> We should all go back to programming in assembler. Ok, macro-assembler; no need to go all the way back to raw metal. :-)
# [21:37] <@bz> mmm
# [21:37] <@bz> programming is not the problem
# [21:37] <@bz> people making shit up is
# [21:37] <@bz> and also
# [21:37] <@bz> backwards compat
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# [21:38] <@bz> this bug had a simple fix: drop support for XBL destructors
# [21:38] <@bz> but noooooooooo
# [21:38] <@bz> we have to do it the hard way
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# [21:39] <jesup> So we need sunset rules for APIs
# [21:39] <jesup> 1/2 joking
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# [21:46] <Ms2ger> bz, relevant: https://twitter.com/littlecalculist/status/213295169599045632
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# [21:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: indeed
# [21:48] <Waldo> speaking of XBL... ;-)
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# [21:49] <@bz> waldo: can I claim that 32 is a lot like 2 and still have a temper tantrum?
# [21:49] <Waldo> haha
# [21:49] <@bz> waldo: I mean... I could pretend to be 16 2-year-olds
# [21:49] <@bz> waldo: or a thirty-year-old and a 2-year-old, at least
# [21:49] * Ms2ger backs away from the 2-yo mob
# [21:49] <@bz> (or 5 2-year-olds all orthogonal to each other?)
# [21:50] <@bz> temporally orthogonal
# [21:50] <jhammel> powers of 2 jokes! i get it...
# [21:50] <@bz> if only it were a joke
# [21:50] <sfink> how to multiple temporal dimensions work?
# [21:50] <sfink> *do
# [21:50] <jesup> Never underestimate the power of a 2-year-old
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# [21:50] <@bz> sfink: there's a good research program in that question!
# [21:51] <@bz> sfink: possibly in the philosophy of science field....
# [21:51] <Waldo> sfink: ever seen the movie hypercube?
# [21:51] <ehoogeveen> I know there are theories of quantum gravity that posit two dimensions of time
# [21:51] <Waldo> sfink: it's exactly like that
# [21:51] <ehoogeveen> So that's 2/5 of the way there
# [21:51] <sfink> if I say no, but see it later, or would have seen it had a sliding door closed slightly faster, would I be lying?
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# [21:52] <NeilAway> which SDK do we need these days, 7.0 or 7.1?
# [21:52] <Waldo> maybe
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# [21:52] <bwinton> Waldo: Is that movie related to TimeCube?
# [21:52] <bwinton> (dot com)
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# [21:52] <Waldo> bwinton: I think so; Hypercube was on at an interns movie night in 2007
# [21:53] <Waldo> never saw Time Cube myself, think I looked up the connection on imdb at some point
# [21:55] <tbsaunde> nhm, anyone have a non terrifying explanation for how we crash in bug 765252
# [21:55] <Waldo> given how you said that, probably not :-)
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# [21:56] <tbsaunde> w/me would settle for something other than a use fter free
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# [21:57] <marco> in a two or three days old build, I sometimes get this failed assertion: "Assertion failure: mCacheAsyncInputStream"
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> marco, known
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> In jduell's review queue
# [21:57] <marco> Ms2ger: ok :)
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# [22:08] <@bz> dholbert++
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# [22:15] <dholbert> bz++
# [22:15] <dholbert> thanks for the quick patch!
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# [22:18] <@bz> dholbert: that wasn't quick
# [22:18] <@bz> dholbert: that was the first half of my day. :(
# [22:19] <@bz> dholbert: but anyway, thanks for verifying that it works!
# [22:19] <dholbert> bz, meh, quick-ish. you're very welcome!
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# [22:25] <aja> dlolbert, bz: just joined, so didn't get context.....flex-related patch?
# [22:25] <@bz> aja: I wish
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# [22:29] <aja> i noticed changes back and forth in 2q layout planning wiki page re flex being deferred. more likely to land in 17 now?
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# [22:35] <dholbert> aja, (sorry, I'm at a talk right now, not watching IRC.) not sure -- largely depends on review-time
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# [22:35] <dholbert> aja, 16 is still a possibility, I think
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# [22:36] <dholbert> aja, s/possibility/strong likelihood/ (1 month to next uplift)
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# [22:38] <aja> dholbert: cool. though i could see case for doing new align/justify properties, multi-col fixes, vertical flex and @supports at/around same time, before grid
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# [22:38] <jlebar> smaug, turns out, I should have followed through with that ping. Still there?
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# [22:42] <@smaug> jlebar: pong
# [22:43] <jlebar> smaug, So in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765075 I have the following problem:
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# [22:43] <jlebar> smaug, You do window.open(). The parent process notices this and does frameLoader.injectFrameScript into the child frame.
# [22:43] <jlebar> smaug, That frame script loads BrowserElementChild.js.
# [22:43] <jlebar> smaug, But the window.open call completes before the frame script loads.
# [22:43] <jlebar> smaug, So now we're in trouble.
# [22:44] <@smaug> so you should inject the script earlier
# [22:44] <jlebar> smaug, Right, that was my initial reaction.
# [22:44] <dholbert> aja, yup. not sure about @supports, but vertical & multiline-flexbox are higher-priority than grid
# [22:44] <jlebar> smaug, But window.open is sync child to parent.
# [22:44] <@smaug> right after creating the new tab/window
# [22:44] <jlebar> smaug, So there's literally no opportunity to send a message from parent --> child.
# [22:44] <atuljangra> sawrubh: ping
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# [22:45] <jlebar> smaug, The way it has to work, I think, is that the child notices it's a browser frame and instantiates the framescript itself.
# [22:45] <@smaug> jlebar: so how do you initialize the new window?
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# [22:45] <@smaug> or where
# [22:45] <jlebar> smaug, The child initializes it itself.
# [22:46] <jlebar> smaug, The basic flow is:
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# [22:46] <jlebar> smaug, child content page calls window.open(). Child creates new PBrowser (tabchild/parent), then passes it to the parent, so the parent can hand the tabparent to the opener...
# [22:47] <cjones> jlebar, i just skimmed above, but i think the answer get the list of frame scripts to load in your setup message
# [22:47] <jlebar> smaug, then the child initializes the tabchild.
# [22:47] <cjones> *is to get
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# [22:47] <jlebar> cjones, You mean, load the frame script from the child, instead of from the parent.
# [22:47] <@smaug> yeah,
# [22:47] <cjones> ask the parent for the initial list
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# [22:47] <cjones> otherwise you have some weird nondeterminism
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# [22:47] <cjones> and yes, this case doesn't work
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# [22:47] <jlebar> Yeah. So my question for smaug is: How do I do that? :)
# [22:47] <@smaug> when parent returns something in the sync reply, it should tell the scripts
# [22:48] <jlebar> smaug, Sure, I can do that. But how do I the load the frame script from the child process? (That's probably a simple question.)
# [22:48] <@smaug> (in normal e10s message manager ensures that frame scripts are loaded before pages are loaded to a new tab)
# [22:49] <@smaug> jlebar: you need to add something, I think
# [22:49] <jlebar> smaug, (Right, and the frame script is loaded before pages are loaded into the new window.)
# [22:49] <@smaug> let me find the method...
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# [22:49] <jlebar> smaug, (It's just that if you do w = window.open(); w.close(), the close is called *before* anything is loaded into the window!!)
# [22:50] <@smaug> jlebar: TabChild::RecvLoadRemoteScript
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# [22:50] <jlebar> smaug, Okay, that's easy then.
# [22:50] <jlebar> Oh, super-easy.
# [22:50] <jlebar> Yay.
# [22:50] <jlebar> smaug, That's what I needed. Thanks.
# [22:51] <cjones> jlebar, btw, this may be what the original rpc interface was working around
# [22:51] <cjones> but that's really not the right way to do it
# [22:52] <jlebar> cjones, You mean, RPC is not the right way to do it?
# [22:53] <cjones> correct, in this case
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# [22:59] <@smaug> jlebar: cjones: the original e10s rpc thing wasn't about frame scripts
# [23:00] <cjones> it was either working around, or working around ctor messages, or both
# [23:00] <cjones> *working around that [== frame scripts]
# [23:00] <cjones> in any case, it's not the right solution
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# [23:20] <jlebar> smaug, Do all frame scripts for a message manager run in the same scope?
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# [23:21] <@smaug> jlebar: yes
# [23:21] <jlebar> Okay, yay. Thanks.
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# [23:33] <qheaden> Does Mozilla have an email to answer career information? Any careers@mozilla.org?
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# [23:34] <catlee-buildduty> heads up that win7 tests are currently b0rked
# [23:34] <catlee-buildduty> bug 765368
# [23:34] <mbrubeck> qheaden: There's a recruiting@mozilla.com that might work
# [23:35] <qheaden> mbrubeck: Ahh okay, that should work. Thanks.
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# [23:54] <gfritzsche> cjones: ping
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# [23:59] <cjones> hi gfritzsche
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