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# Session Start: Tue Jun 19 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <sawrubh> ehsan: ping
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# [00:00] * Waldo changes topic to 'Next uplift for Fx16: 2012-07-16 || DNS to Bugzilla is down (bug 765670), 63.245.217.60 if you're desperate. || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
# [00:01] <@dolske> but I'm on IPv6!
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# [00:02] <Waldo> ::1:63.245.217.60 or whatever then
# [00:02] * Waldo doesn't remember the 4-over-6 mnemonic
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# [00:03] <Dagger> Waldo: it won't work anyway, v6 hosts can't talk to v4 hosts except by using v4
# [00:03] <@ehsan> sawrubh: hey
# [00:03] <Dagger> NAT64 exists though, and http://[2001:8b0:6464:0:666:616:3ff5:d93c]/ will get you to the right server
# [00:04] * Waldo would have thought the :: trick was purely client-side and so that would have worked, but he doesn't know much about this stuff
# [00:04] <Dagger> it is, but you need v4 to use it, at which point you may as well use the v4 address directly
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# [00:05] <Waldo> Dagger: trolls like dolske probably can't use v4 addresses directly
# [00:05] <@dolske> http://[2001:8b0:6464:0:666:616:3ff5:d93c]/ gets me to the server, but "You don't have permission to access /error/noindex.html on this server."
# [00:05] <Wes> Waldo: right, I think :: happens in inet_pton and firends
# [00:05] <Waldo> you know, I'm kind of sad we removed the boxes from tbpl just recently, because 588 of them would be teh awesome
# [00:05] <sawrubh> ehsan: I am trying to write the tests for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763468
# [00:06] <sawrubh> could you maybe tell me what I am supposed to do and some pointers
# [00:06] <@dolske> need an addon to spoof Host: probably
# [00:06] <sawrubh> ehsan: thanks for the feedbacks btw
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# [00:07] <@khuey> /kick Waldo
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# [00:10] <Bas> bent: Thanks! I'll have a look!
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# [00:13] <cjones> has anyone seen dzbarsky recently?
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# [00:15] <padenot> cjones: yes, a couple hours ago at lunch
# [00:15] <cjones> k, thanks
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# [00:22] <sawrubh> lsblakk: ping
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# [00:26] <lsblakk> sawrubh: pong
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# [00:28] <sawrubh> lsblakk: is there any way to know whether Autoland is working or not currently ?
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# [00:30] <@ehsan> sawrubh: I have bugzilla connectivity issues, please comment in the bug and I'll reply later
# [00:30] <sawrubh> ehsan: ok, sure
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# [00:32] <lsblakk> sawrubh: i can tell you right now that it is not working, i am still investigating issues with it
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# [00:33] <lsblakk> sawrubh: the only way to know, right now, is that I have removed it from the TryServer docs
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# [00:35] <jhammel> is try also completely dead?
# [00:35] <jhammel> (seems like?)
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# [00:36] <jhammel> ah, nm, just took awhile
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# [00:36] <sawrubh> lsblakk: ok, I try and use try ;)
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# [00:49] <sawrubh> ehsan: hi, I have made a patch for 722990 according to the comments, since you are having bmo problems, here is the patch : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667169
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# [00:49] <sawrubh> ehsan: could you maybe give me some feedback here only
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# [00:53] <ctalbert> Should we close the tree given all the DNS issues right now?
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# [00:55] <dholbert> ctalbert, nthomas did earlier, but I think the DNS issues are resolved (?)
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# [00:55] <ctalbert> oh yeah I just saw the bug in the topic
# [00:55] <nthomas> are they back ?
# [00:55] <ctalbert> They seem to largely be back
# [00:56] <nthomas> link or it didn't happen
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# [00:57] <ctalbert> nthomas: this bug bug 765670 - I asked the question before I saw it
# [00:57] <ctalbert> dholbert: thanks
# [00:57] <nthomas> oh, I thought you meant we had DNS issues again
# [00:57] <nthomas> https://build.mozilla.org/buildapi/recent?numbuilds=200 looks fine to me
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# [00:57] <ctalbert> tbpl makes it look like we do, but if you only look at builds after 2:30 PDT then they are fine
# [00:58] <nthomas> yeah, we should go back to a waterfall ;-)
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# [00:59] <ctalbert> nthomas: lol
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# [00:59] <@ehsan> sawrubh: I can't see the bug itself :)
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# [00:59] <@ehsan> sawrubh: please attach it to the bug?
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# [01:01] <nthomas> bugzilla should be working at this point
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# [01:05] <jdm> sawrubh: looks like there's an extra } in the second hunk
# [01:07] <jdm> sawrubh: I think you can get rid of the whole observer, as well. it's not doing anything any more.
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# [01:08] <jdm> sawrubh: we probably also want to make the pin and delete icons disappear in PB mode
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# [01:20] <sawrubh> jdm: do you mean the Storage observer ? It's still calling |resetCache()| on the {pinned and blocked}Links
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# [01:21] <jdm> sawrubh: yes, but those won't actually do much now.
# [01:21] <jdm> the storage object isn't changing, so they'll get the same data from it
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# [01:21] <sawrubh> ok.
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# [01:31] <sawrubh> jdm: should I then make the delete and pin icon disappear in case of PB mode
# [01:31] <sawrubh> ehsan: ^^
# [01:31] <jdm> yes
# [01:31] <sawrubh> ok
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# [01:45] <sawrubh> jdm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667204
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# [01:46] <jdm> sawrubh: nice. I would call it inPrivateBrowsing
# [01:46] <sawrubh> :), okay
# [01:46] <sawrubh> will do
# [01:47] <sawrubh> anything else
# [01:47] <sawrubh> ?
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# [01:51] <sawrubh> jdm: btw where are you heading for your final week ?
# [01:51] <jdm> currently in Lausanne, heading to Barcelona and maybe one other city on the way
# [01:51] <jdm> possibly Lyon
# [01:52] <sawrubh> great :)
# [01:53] <jwir3> if I have a tab that has multiple documents, (e.g. like if I have an <iframe> element), how can I get all of the documents, perhaps as a list?
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# [01:55] <sawrubh> jdm: if you don't see any problems with the patch, should I then ask for review ?
# [01:55] <jdm> sawrubh: yep
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# [01:56] <sawrubh> jdm: thanks for the indirect feedback+ ;)
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# [01:57] <@dbaron> jwir3, you probably want to think more in terms of trees than in lists
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# [01:58] <@dbaron> jwir3, but a docshell has a way of getting to its children
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# [01:59] <@dbaron> jwir3, and there is nsIMarkupDocumentViewer::AppendSubtree
# [02:00] <@dbaron> jwir3, but if you're working on what I think you are, you probably need to think about whether you're doing parents before children or vice-versa
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# [02:00] <jwir3> dbaron: ah.. so you think perhaps it's order-sensitive. I see
# [02:02] <sawrubh> jdm: do you have some idea, what's to be done in the test for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763468 that I need to write from scratch
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# [02:06] <sawrubh> jdm: plus for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758660, now after dao's comment I think we don't need to use the QI dance. About the counter that you say is needed , what do you want me to do with it, set up a telemetry attribute for it or what ?
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# [02:17] <sawrubh> jdm: I am posting this question to the bug, since I am going to sleep
# [02:17] <sawrubh> jdm: bye.
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# [02:28] <philor> eeejay: "ensureImageMapTree is not defined at chrome://mochitests/content/a11y/accessible/hittest/test_general.html:68"
# [02:28] <eeejay> philor, did i burn the tree???
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# [02:28] <philor> eeejay: so far, it's just a slight sort of a sunset tint ;)
# [02:29] <eeejay> philor, what is the drill? revert? could i land a patchlet to fix it?
# [02:30] <philor> eeejay: better to back out, unless it's something incredibly obvious and certain like a 1 character name typo
# [02:30] <eeejay> philor, more like an include line
# [02:30] <aja> dholbert: same patches in today's two try builds?
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# [02:30] <philor> eeejay: land it
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# [02:31] <RyanVM> philor: be bold!
# [02:32] <philor> RyanVM: I boldly blamed wesj for the rc bustage, I figured that was enough for one afternoon
# [02:33] <RyanVM> that looked like a pretty reasonable assumption to me
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# [02:33] <wesj> since i added one of those tests, i'm guessing i also broke it
# [02:33] <wesj> backout should be in (I've never used Mak's script, so I hope it worked right...)
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# [02:35] <philor> "11 2 (deleted) + 0x4f407"
# [02:35] <philor> thanks, I'll go ahead and file that crash
# [02:36] <philor> no, wait, I'll just a;r like I have the last thirty times
# [02:36] <RyanVM> philor: since when does SM show on inbound tbpl?
# [02:37] <philor> RyanVM: since someone added a new test, and I haven't hidden it
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# [02:37] <RyanVM> aha
# [02:37] <dholbert> aja, yup, today's tryserver builds are the same as each other (they have flex-shrink fixed vs. the last build you tried, though, I think)
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# [02:38] <dholbert> aja, another build coming tomorrow morning that's got some optimizations, too (hopefully not functionally noticeable, aside from it being faster)
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# [02:40] <aja> dholbert: k...cool. you planning on a pref or just build flag?
# [02:41] <philor> jst: that patch of bent's is lacking a little something in the way of compilability
# [02:42] <philor> I know, I'm as shocked as you are
# [02:42] <dholbert> aja, just a build flag. Can't do pref-guarded CSS properties yet, sadly
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# [02:43] <eeejay> philor, looks like an API mid-air collusion. I guess i'll back it out
# [02:43] <dholbert> aja, (but that's something we'll be able to do soon, IIUC)
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# [02:43] <mrbkap> philor: I'll fix it.
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# [02:45] <aja> dholbert: prolly a good thing....some tricky things coming soon, i'd say. would be good to have that option in users' hands for a while
# [02:45] <philor> eeejay: that's an awfully nice way of saying "that accursed capella jerked the rug out from under me!" :)
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# [02:46] <capella> ???
# [02:46] <eeejay> philor, we have tight ranks in the a11y team. we don't rat each other out :)
# [02:46] <capella> LAUGH!
# [02:46] <capella> de-ns-ify again?
# [02:47] <hub> eeejay: it depends. I have no problem rating you out ;-)
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# [02:48] <philor> looks to me like you got him with bug 570322
# [02:48] <eeejay> capella, you deprecated ensureImageMapTree
# [02:48] <capella> imagemap?
# [02:49] <eeejay> capella, yeah
# [02:49] <capella> surkov made me do it
# [02:49] <dholbert> aja, agreed, yeah -- we'd love to be able to land new CSS features preffed off, and user-configurable
# [02:50] <aja> dholbert:....would be handy for web dev's too....being able to toggle setting in same build...makes testing fallbacks simple
# [02:50] <eeejay> capella, what did i just say about tight ranks? :)
# [02:50] <capella> ooops - im a bad boy too
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# [02:51] <dholbert> aja, yeah. the way it'd work right now, a web page sniffing for a feature (via elem.style.PropName) would think you've got it available, even if you've toggled the pref off (or if the pref is off-by-default)
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# [02:52] <dholbert> aja, so that's clearly bad, and that's why we don't have pref-configurable CSS properties right now
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# [02:52] <dholbert> aja, but there's a bug that bz's working on I think that will make that work correctly
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# [02:55] <aja> dholbert: existance of property shouldn't imply whether it's enabled for use
# [02:55] <aja> dholbert: bug # ?
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# [02:56] <dholbert> aja, yes it should, IIUC. at least, that's how we encourage people to sniff for properties. :)
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# [02:56] <dholbert> aja, ultimately @supports may be better, but for now, elem.style.PropName is the best option
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# [02:57] <dholbert> aja, looking up bug # (sorry, in a car on a netbook at the moment, away from my main computer)
# [02:58] <aja> n/m then.....i'll ask bz later if i can't find it
# [02:59] <dholbert> aja, cool. yeah, can't find it at the moment. I forget the bug name. :)
# [02:59] <jcranmer> Jesse: your fuzzer has been blogged!
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# [03:00] <Jesse> jcranmer: oh?
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# [03:01] <jcranmer> http://blog.regehr.org/archives/731?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EmbeddedInAcademia+%28Embedded+in+Academia%29
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# [03:01] <RyanVM> eeejay: so about that backout...
# [03:01] <eeejay> RyanVM, yeah?
# [03:02] <RyanVM> coming soon?
# [03:02] <eeejay> RyanVM, two seconds!
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# [03:03] <eeejay> RyanVM, done. that was my first backout, so i needed to climb the learning curve
# [03:03] <eeejay> and install qbackout
# [03:04] * RyanVM googles qbackout
# [03:04] <RyanVM> I just qnew a backout changeset
# [03:04] <RyanVM> backout -r <rev>
# [03:04] <RyanVM> qref
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# [03:04] <RyanVM> wash, rinse, repeat
# [03:05] <Jesse> jcranmer: interesting. thanks for the link.
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# [03:14] <jcranmer> Jesse: how many of those bugs are e4x bugs?
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# [03:16] <Jesse> jcranmer: want me to count? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626280 is 1...
# [03:16] <jcranmer> Jesse: rough guesttimate
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# [03:16] <Jesse> 50
# [03:17] <jcranmer> I think I saw somewhere that ~30% of all sec-crit JS bugs are e4x...
# [03:17] <Jesse> jcranmer: also, the fuzzer was used early in each JIT's development. we started fuzzing ionmonkey before it passed the regression test suite and when it only implemented a small number of bytecodes(?).
# [03:18] <Jesse> interesting. i could be way off!
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# [03:19] <jcranmer> that may be exaggerated though
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# [03:19] <jcranmer> certainly, a brief inspection of the bugs in that list seems to imply that e4x is not 1/3 of the found bugs
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# [03:46] <darktrojan> I'm gonna go with yes
# [03:47] <KWierso> but I don't want to sit around and wait for each one to finish, and I don't feel like looking up the directions for that "faster, smaller" clones post
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# [03:57] <KWierso> philor: ... maybe I do
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# [04:06] <jlebar> Hm...how hard would it be to see the crashing instruction from a crash report?
# [04:07] <devd> taras: ping
# [04:08] <darktrojan> huh? everything tells me the Reset Firefox button landed in v13, but I can't see it
# [04:09] <gluxon> darktrojan: Go to about:support
# [04:09] <darktrojan> I did, it's not there
# [04:10] <darktrojan> woah, visibility: hidden
# [04:10] <hobophobe> darktrojan: What platform?
# [04:10] <darktrojan> linux
# [04:10] <hobophobe> Debian? Or other distro that splits out xulrunner?
# [04:10] <darktrojan> downloaded from mozilla.org
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# [04:11] <Unfocused> new profile?
# [04:11] <darktrojan> reasonably, yeah
# [04:11] <hobophobe> Hmm. That should have it. Last I look it only hides if it thinks it's a platform it doesn't know how to migrate.
# [04:12] <Unfocused> it didn't show on a new profile for me either (does on my old profiles) - i think it purposefully is hidden if the profile is new-ish, since it wouldn't be much use then
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# [04:14] <Unfocused> oh, nope - it only shows for the default profile
# [04:14] <Unfocused> thats what i hit
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# [04:14] <hobophobe> Ah interesting
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# [04:35] <jwir3> good lord... updating the android sdk takes forever
# [04:36] <darktrojan> android stores a copy of the internet locally to save on data usage
# [04:37] <jwir3> heh
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# [04:43] <taras> devd: sup
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# [04:50] <jwir3> what do the enumeration types in DocShellTreeItem mean: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsIDocShellTreeItem.idl#36
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# [04:50] <jwir3> typeChrome is pretty obvious, but what is the difference between a content type and a content wrapper type?
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# [04:53] <@bz> the latter is used for a docshell tree item that is not itself a docshell
# [04:53] <@bz> but that owns a content docshell
# [04:53] <@bz> Basically only for nsWebBrowser
# [04:53] <jwir3> mm
# [04:54] <jwir3> so if I want to get a list of the sub-documents within a document, would I use typeContent?
# [04:54] <@bz> in practice, you should not hit this, ever
# [04:54] <@bz> why
# [04:54] <@bz> ?
# [04:54] <jwir3> olh
# [04:54] <jwir3> then I'm probably in the wrong place.
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# [04:54] <@bz> "this" == "typeContentWrapper"
# [04:54] <@bz> if you want a list of sub-documents within a document.. this is a content document?
# [04:55] <@bz> and do you want the sub-docshells, or the actual subdocuments?
# [04:55] <jwir3> bz: perhaps it would be better if I described what I'm trying to do. I'm performing a reframe from within the presContext, and I want to detect if I have subdocument containers within the current tab (e.g. an <iframe>)
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# [04:56] <jwir3> bz: I think what I want to do is reframe each individual document separately, but I need to do it in a specific order to not trigger assertions.
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# [04:57] <jwir3> bz: i.e. if I reframe the parent document first, then when the child document goes to perform it's reframe, it throws an assertion because the parent presShell has been destroyed and recreated.
# [04:57] <jwir3> bz: or, at least, I think that's what's happening.
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# [04:59] <@bz> jwir3: reframing a document currently reframes all its subdocuments
# [05:00] <@bz> jwir3: (though at some point it would be nice to change that...)
# [05:00] <jwir3> hmmm.
# [05:00] <jwir3> what seems to be happening to me is that they are reframing in an odd order then.
# [05:01] <jwir3> when I do presShell->ReconstructFrames(), it throws the assertion: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsPresContext.cpp#947
# [05:01] <jwir3> (along with a few others)
# [05:01] <jwir3> but, only when I'm in a document that has multiple sub-documents.
# [05:02] * @bz looks
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# [05:02] <jwir3> bz: the patch I'm working on is here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=634272&action=diff
# [05:03] <@bz> Ah
# [05:03] <jwir3> bz: The code I added on lines 927 - 931 of nsPresContext are what I'm trying to fix.
# [05:03] <@bz> so you're calling ReconstructFrames on all the presshells
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# [05:04] <jwir3> I don't want to do that?
# [05:04] <@bz> Is it enough to have multiple subdocuments?
# [05:05] <@bz> or do you need nested subdocuments to trigger this?
# [05:05] <@bz> as in, document A has a frame containing document B which has a frame containing document C ?
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# [05:05] <jwir3> no, it can be just a situation as simple as a single <iframe> within a document
# [05:05] <@bz> ok
# [05:05] <jwir3> so, I think just one nesting deep
# [05:05] <@bz> so no multiple anything involved?
# [05:06] <jwir3> well, the tests that are failing right now don't have any multiples, no
# [05:06] <@bz> can the <iframe> contain something really simple like "data:text/html,Text" ?
# [05:06] <@bz> ah
# [05:06] <@bz> can you point me to a failing test?
# [05:06] <jwir3> sure.
# [05:06] <@bz> and maybe a stack?
# [05:07] <jwir3> just a second
# [05:07] * @bz has some theories on how one could hit this assert with nested subdocuments, but not the simple case...
# [05:08] <jwir3> bz: so the test that's failing is layout/reftests/font-inflation/container-width-clamping.html
# [05:08] <jwir3> it actually looks like the tests following it are failing, but that's the one that's triggering it.
# [05:08] <jwir3> if I take that test out, the others work fine.
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# [05:09] <jwir3> and here's a stack: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667347
# [05:09] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/find?string=container-width&tree=mozilla-central&;hint= comes up empty
# [05:09] <@bz> fwiw
# [05:09] <jwir3> hm strange
# [05:10] <jwir3> oops
# [05:10] <jwir3> container-with-claming
# [05:10] <jwir3> container-with-clamping.html
# [05:10] <jwir3> sorry
# [05:10] <jwir3> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/font-inflation/container-with-clamping.html
# [05:11] <@bz> Oh
# [05:11] <@bz> duh
# [05:11] <@bz> you're testing this in desktop Firefox, aren't you?
# [05:11] <@bz> So here's the story
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# [05:11] <@bz> you have three documents
# [05:11] <@bz> the toplevel one is called browser.xul. ;)
# [05:11] <@bz> It has a subframe containing your test
# [05:12] <@bz> which itself has a subframe
# [05:12] <@bz> erm
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# [05:12] <@bz> but you shouldn't be reframing browser.xul....
# [05:12] <jwir3> ah
# [05:13] <@bz> (based on your code)
# [05:13] <@bz> my hypothesis was that you were
# [05:13] <@bz> can you reproduce locally?
# [05:14] <jwir3> yes. if I run my reftests with my list file having that test I just mentioned, and another test in the same category right after it, the latter one will fail with the assertions.
# [05:14] <@bz> ok
# [05:14] <@bz> great
# [05:14] <@bz> can you get that in a debugger?
# [05:15] <@bz> well, wait
# [05:15] <@bz> better yet
# [05:15] <@bz> can you log how many calls to ReconstructFrames() your code is making?
# [05:15] <jwir3> yeah I could do that
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# [05:16] <@bz> my best hypothesis is still that we're reframing the chrome doc or something
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# [05:16] <@bz> which kills the presshell on the toplevel content document
# [05:16] <@bz> and then the subframe content document complains about it
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# [05:17] <@bz> Note that your doc->GetParentDocument() check is probably backwards, btw
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# [05:17] <@bz> the one before the "reconstruct twice" comment
# [05:17] <@bz> and fixing that will likely make the assert disappear....
# [05:17] <@bz> certainly if my hypothesis is right. ;)
# [05:18] <@bz> though in that case we would also not reconstruct the toplevel content document, so that's not the right fix
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# [05:19] <jwir3> bz: Yeah, that code is bogus. It was something I was trying, but it didn't work. Or rather, the way I have it in the patch as-is *does* fix the asserts, but it will likely cause single document situations to not execute the code, which defeats the purpose of the patch
# [05:20] <@bz> erm... doc->GetParentDocument() should be non-null for all non-chrome documents, I thought
# [05:21] <@bz> So if we ever take that return, that's not a good sign
# [05:21] <@bz> want to breakpoint there too and see what's going on?
# [05:21] <jwir3> sure
# [05:21] <jwir3> (it's compiling the code I just added to count the reframe calls)
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# [05:37] <jwir3> bz: well, that's strange. it appears that the value has been optimized out when I run it in the debugger
# [05:38] <jwir3> bz: but the asserts don't hit with that code added.
# [05:38] <jwir3> bz: I can't actually set a breakpoint at that return statement. It always breaks a little below that line, outside the if statement
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# [05:39] <jwir3> and it looks like there are 3 calls to ReconstructFrames() that are happening
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# [05:40] <jwir3> (I should mention there are three tests being preformed, though: the container-with-clamping, and then intrinsic-min-width-1.html and video-1.html)
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# [05:43] <jwir3> bz: (BTW - that's in the fixed case where the doc->GetParentDocument() code remains) If I take that code out, then I get a total of 8 calls to ReconstructFrames()
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# [05:44] <devd> taras: ping? sorry was afk
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# [05:44] <taras> devd: sup
# [05:45] <devd> so I pinged you earlier about calling telemetry APIs from inside Javascript
# [05:45] <devd> so now I can do histogram.add(3)
# [05:45] <devd> based on your pointers
# [05:45] <devd> but, I am really using enumerated values, which are defined in a C header file
# [05:46] <devd> so if the C file has #define VAL 3; then I currently need to do const VAL=3; histogram.add(VAL);
# [05:46] <devd> which defeats the purpose of using a C header file with #defines
# [05:46] <taras> heh
# [05:46] <devd> is there any way I can use the constants defined in a header file
# [05:46] <devd> ?
# [05:46] <taras> i don't think i can help here
# [05:46] <devd> boo
# [05:46] <devd> ok
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# [05:46] <devd> thanks
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# [05:46] <taras> technically we support preprocessed js files
# [05:46] <taras> so you can fudge it
# [05:46] <nthomas> does anyone know where the rv: in the useragent gets set ?
# [05:47] <devd> taras: tell me moar
# [05:47] <@bz> jwir3: when you get calls to ReconstructFrames
# [05:47] <taras> devd: or you can define the values in an interface
# [05:47] <@bz> jwir3: what are the document URIs?
# [05:47] <jwir3> bz: one second
# [05:47] <taras> devd: but there is no good answer for sharing enums between js/c++
# [05:48] <devd> taras: yeah the interface was the final possibility, but that is pretty ugly too; an interface just for something so simple
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# [05:48] <devd> but that might still be better than redefining the consts everywhere
# [05:48] <devd> thanks anyways
# [05:48] <@bz> if the telemetry stuff were defined in webidl....
# [05:48] <devd> bz: ?
# [05:48] <@bz> you could just use webidl enums
# [05:48] <@roc> ehsan: ping?
# [05:48] <@bz> (which look like strings in js)
# [05:48] <@ehsan> roc: hey
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# [05:49] <@roc> do you think that we could make the AddRef and Release methods in NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTING_ISUPPORTS and NS_DECL_ISUPPORTS final?
# [05:49] <devd> hmm .. can you point me to an example? I don't know what webidl is
# [05:49] <@roc> because that could be a BIG WIN
# [05:49] <@ehsan> roc: perf wise?
# [05:49] <@roc> yes
# [05:49] <@ehsan> hmm yeah probably
# [05:49] <@bz> devd: the IDL used to actually define web specs
# [05:49] <@ehsan> roc: wanna file a bug and assign it to me?
# [05:50] <@ehsan> roc: (fwiw, my current project is to cut down the compiler warnings when building m-c in half :)
# [05:50] <@bz> devd: we're working on ramping it up as a replacement for xpidl for web-facing stuff
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# [05:50] <mbrubeck> nthomas: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/protocol/http/nsHttpHandler.cpp#246
# [05:50] <@bz> devd: but there's no obvious reason non-web-facing things can't use it
# [05:50] <@bz> devd: see dom/webidl for examples
# [05:50] <@bz> devd: XMLHttpRequest.webidl has an example of an enum
# [05:51] <nthomas> mbrubeck: thanks!
# [05:51] <devd> bz: yup .. just saw that
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# [05:51] <devd> bz: and the opposite issue: how to access these from C++ ?
# [05:51] <Callek> does anyone know of a bug/fix for (at least) trunk and aurora [seamonkey] "leaktest" getting hung due to an app update dialog popping up?
# [05:51] <@bz> devd: so our bindings map webidl interfaces to concrete types
# [05:52] <Callek> this is normal builds *not* nightly, and during the *compile* process. :/
# [05:52] <@bz> devd: and webidl enums become an actual C++ enum
# [05:52] <Callek> (well technically during the leaktest run, but still)
# [05:52] <@bz> devd: e.g. in this case...
# [05:52] <Callek> afaict app.update.enabled is set to false
# [05:52] <Callek> (in the _leaktest profile)
# [05:52] <@bz> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667377
# [05:52] <@bz> devd: ^
# [05:52] <jwir3> bz: here's the list of URIs that I get: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667378
# [05:52] <@bz> devd: it's an option worth thinking about, at least
# [05:53] <jwir3> bz: The first mData and the last mData one are not actually URIs... they didn't have an mSpec member variable
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# [05:53] <devd> bz: hmm .. where is that file? A find didn't find me a .h file with that data
# [05:53] <devd> rather, I am sure I messed up the -iname value for the find
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# [05:53] <devd> give me a moment
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# [05:54] <@bz> devd: it's autogenerated from the idl
# [05:54] <@bz> devd: $objdir/dom/bindings/XMLHttpRequestBinding.h
# [05:54] <@bz> jwir3: they're nsSimpleURI, not nsStandardURL
# [05:54] <@bz> jwir3: ok, so no chrome stuff
# [05:54] <@bz> jwir3: I have no idea why the assert is getting hit, exactly
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# [05:55] <@bz> jwir3: when you hit the assert, what's the parent document's URI?
# [05:55] <devd> ohh ok bz thanks!
# [05:55] <devd> weird how ack-grep didn't find it
# [05:55] <philor> eeejay: you know how some days, you just can't win?
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# [05:56] <devd> bz: this sounds like a good idea; I might try this once I have a first hackety-hack version of the feature working
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# [05:56] <benjamin> given some random nsresult, can I get a pretty version of it?
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# [05:57] <devd> s/might/will
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# [05:57] <jwir3> bz: Doesn't it seem odd though that the problem seems to go away when I add that (seemingly useless) if statement to check if the document has a parent?
# [05:59] <cjones> benjamin, http://james-ross.co.uk/mozilla/misc/nserror
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# [06:01] <@bz> jwir3: yes
# [06:01] <@bz> jwir3: yes, it does
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# [06:05] <jwir3> bz: both times, it is file:///home/sjohnson/Source/mozilla-central/mozilla/layout/reftests/font-inflation/container-with-clamping-ref.html
# [06:05] <devd> anyone understand http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/boot/src/nsSecurityWarningDialogs.cpp#108
# [06:05] <devd> why does it just set *_retval to true, without caring about the AlertDialog
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# [06:10] <@ehsan> roc: hmm, we probably can't mark those as final, since there are classes which override them
# [06:10] <@ehsan> roc: in fact we have the _INHERITED implementation macros for this reason :(
# [06:12] <@bz> jwir3: hmm
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# [06:12] <@bz> jwir3: I wonder whether this code is running after the document has unloaded or something
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# [06:13] <@bz> devd: because it's broken?
# [06:13] <jwir3> bz: well, I didn't think of that, but I wonder if that is possible.
# [06:13] <@bz> devd: though some would argue that this is ok behavior....
# [06:13] <@bz> devd: can you check whether your pref callback is running after Destroy() has been called on the presshell?
# [06:14] <@bz> er...
# [06:14] <@bz> jwir3: ^
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# [06:14] <@bz> devd: (the "ok behavior" part was to you though)
# [06:14] <devd> bz: wait .. so the result of the user's click is never check ?
# [06:14] <devd> *ed
# [06:14] <devd> I mean, that's what the code looks like but I never know with COM :P
# [06:14] <@bz> jwir3: or even more interestingly, whether Destroy() is called under the pref callback
# [06:15] <@bz> devd: AlertDialog doesn't have a useful result to return, does it?
# [06:15] <jwir3> bz: yeah. those are good suggestions. I will try them and see what I come up with. Probably time for some sleep, now, though. ;) Thanks for your help this evening.
# [06:16] <@bz> devd: the current UI just has a single button to acknowledge and move on
# [06:16] <devd> bz: gaah .. yes .. I forgot about that
# [06:16] <@bz> jwir3: no problem
# [06:16] <@bz> jwir3: good luck!
# [06:16] <jwir3> bz: thank you
# [06:16] <jwir3> bz: I'll probably need it. :)
# [06:16] <devd> bz: wow, this is silly :D
# [06:16] <devd> bz: thanks
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# [06:21] <@roc> ehsan: hm
# [06:23] <@roc> is there no way to get final behavior and fix ambiguity errors
# [06:24] <@ehsan> roc: I guess we can make them final by default, and add an _OVERRIDABLE set of macros for the cases where overriding is needed?
# [06:24] <@roc> yeah but then we can't make nsINode::AddRef/Release final
# [06:25] <@roc> which is super dumb since they do all have the same implementation (or could)
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# [06:26] <@ehsan> roc: we can definitely make them all use the same implementation, but that requires code changes to fix the subclasses which currently override those macros
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# [06:26] <@ehsan> roc: and that would be valuable, since nsINode::AddRef/Release are called a fair number of times in all browsing sessions :)
# [06:26] <@roc> then how can you fix ambiguity errors when subclasses add extra interfaces
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# [06:27] <@ehsan> roc: if the refcount lives in nsINode itself, there's no reason why subclasses would want custom AddRef/Release behavior, right?
# [06:28] <@roc> yeah but take nsDOMRequest for example
# [06:28] <@ehsan> roc: hmm, assuming that we actually use the nsISupports* from the nsINode chain in QI for example
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# [06:28] <@roc> it inherits from nsIDOMEventTarget (indirectly) and also nsIDOMDOMRequest
# [06:29] <@ehsan> roc: nsDOMRequest?
# [06:29] <@roc> nsIDOMDOMRequest inherits from nsISupports which is pure virtual
# [06:29] <@roc> so something needs to implement AddRef/Release in nsDOMRequest
# [06:29] <@ehsan> roc: I can't find that class :)
# [06:29] <@roc> whatever
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# [06:30] <@roc> if we made AddRef/Release final in nsIDOMEventTarget, I don't know whether we can still implement AddRef/Release in DOMRequest
# [06:30] <@ehsan> we can't
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# [06:31] <@ehsan> hrm
# [06:31] <@roc> sigh
# [06:31] <@roc> C++ sucks
# [06:31] <@roc> this isn't a problem in Java
# [06:31] <@ehsan> roc: I need to think about this a bit more to see if there's a solution
# [06:31] <@ehsan> well, yeah, there's a reason why people hate multiple inheritance in C++
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# [06:35] <jcranmer|away> roc: does |using nsINode::AddRef| help?
# [06:37] <@roc> maybe it does yeah
# [06:37] <@roc> I dunno
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# [07:06] <ewong> building on a Vista machine (ENglish but set to locale Chinese ) building with MSVC2010
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# [07:59] <jesup> someone remind me again: how to do we change mozconfig options in a try build? Do we have to (temporarily) modify N files in browser/config/mozconfigs still? Or can I get away with (temporarily) modifying browser/config/mozconfig?
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# [08:13] <@dolske> jesup: not sure if this page is current or not, but https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
# [08:15] <jesup> dolske: I think it's slightly out-of-date; you need to add it to more than just those three. I think I can get away with the top mozconfig since that has the --enable-application=browser in it. We'll see
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# [08:17] <jesup> dolske: and you need to hit all the debug builds, linux gtk, b2g, android, etc.... which is why I want one place. (there's a bug on this; we had one way to do it with mozconfig-extra and got rid of it)
# [08:22] <@dolske> yeah, one of the bugs mentioned there is about mozconfig-extra
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# [08:40] <@bz> https://bug758992.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=634280 says we have too many classes
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# [08:45] <jesup> bz: how can you say that? We haven't run out of space in the mozilla:: namespace yet! And I haven't seen a collision on firebot-generated uuids either! ;-)
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# [08:47] <@bz> hmm
# [08:47] <@bz> do we have zip files of our releases, by any chance?
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# [09:12] <AryehGregor> For those who are interested: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17541
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# [10:08] <gcp> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2012/06/15/10320645.aspx
# [10:08] <gcp> "Targeting Windows XP with C++ in Visual Studio 2012"
# [10:09] <gcp> khuey|away: ^
# [10:09] <JesperHansen> even microsoft hates XP now
# [10:09] <gcp> but they will support it
# [10:09] <gcp> unless i'm misreading
# [10:09] <gcp> no more hacks needed to support Windows XP with modern compilers
# [10:10] <gcp> "Later this fall, Microsoft will provide an update to Visual Studio 2012 that will enable C++ applications to target Windows XP. This update will make the necessary modifications to the Visual C++ 2012 compiler, runtime, and libraries to enable developers to create applications and DLLs that run on Windows XP and higher versions as well as Windows Server 2003 and higher."
# [10:10] <glandium> gcp: we know already ; it's unclear when "later this fall" will be, though
# [10:11] <gcp> january 2013? :P
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# [10:44] <NeilAway> oh, I guess it inherits from nsISupports, so no
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# [10:51] <yoshi> edmorley: ping
# [10:51] <edmorley> yoshi: hi :-)
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# [10:53] <yoshi> edmorley: sorry , for the part 2 patch of Bug 762760, what should I do to update the comments of that patch?
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# [10:53] <yoshi> I type the wrong Bug number in that patch
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# [10:54] <edmorley> yoshi: you could back out and land again, or just make a note in your calendar to go back and add a note to the non-existent bug once it has been created :-)
# [10:55] <NeilAway> or better still, just wait until it's just about to create it, then file it and duplicate it against the original bug :-P
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# [10:56] <yoshi> :p
# [10:57] <yoshi> edmorley: I guess I have better to do back out and land it again, thanks for your suggestions.
# [10:59] <edmorley> thank you; np :-)
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# [11:16] <NeilAway> bah, someone made the build depend on autoconf.mk, didn't they :s
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# [11:19] <Callek> NeilAway: I did, over a year ago iirc
# [11:21] <Callek> NeilAway: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/367be4e84186/config/rules.mk
# [11:21] <darktrojan> rebuild ALL the things
# [11:21] <Callek> NeilAway: and *yea* well over a year ago, 2008
# [11:21] <darktrojan> hah
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# [11:22] <NeilAway> Callek: bah, all I wanted to do was turn off xterm updates :s
# [11:23] <Callek> NeilAway: sorry, but 9 times out of ten, when autoconf.mk changes you need a rebuild
# [11:23] <Callek> :-P
# [11:25] <NeilAway> Callek: actually my problem would be solved if xterm updates was automatically disabled if you redirected stdout
# [11:25] <Callek> NeilAway: file a bug, I'm not going to try and figure it out atm though
# [11:25] <NeilAway> Callek: [ -t 1 ] &&
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# [11:29] <Callek> sawrubh: since I don't recognize the nick, a bit surprised you're pinging me directly, but pong?
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# [11:31] <sawrubh> Callek: what do you mean by nick ? Do you mean my IRC name. I'm sawrubh. Btw if you are busy, then sorry. Actually it was just that I just got a mail again about that talos regression, and it now has three patches in the range
# [11:32] <sawrubh> the link is http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?fromchange=63a91a66c14c&tochange=8cc7aa5c0c95, and sorry if you are busy
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# [11:33] <sawrubh> Can I maybe get some time to see if my patch is causing the problems and fix it if required
# [11:33] <Callek> sawrubh: ahhh ok (I didn't remember your IRC nickname before you just said that about talos regression mail)
# [11:34] <sawrubh> I just hope I am not stopping someone from submitting patches
# [11:34] <Callek> sawrubh: if its a "merge" you can usually feel safe in ignoring
# [11:34] <sawrubh> can I pastebin it
# [11:34] <sawrubh> and can you take a look
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# [11:34] <sawrubh> and this time it's serious, I mean I feel I'm involved in the failing :(
# [11:34] <Callek> sawrubh: if you are in doubt you can ask (the wind) here, usually others look at talos regressions, [well I *think* they look]
# [11:35] <Callek> edmorley: can you possibly guide sawrubh on talos-regression-email-"is this me" finding?
# [11:35] * Callek feels that he is up too late ;-)
# [11:35] <Callek> (its 5:30am where I live, fwiw)
# [11:36] <sawrubh> Callek: thanks for the help, np I'll ask others, you have a sleep(which is well deserved ;))
# [11:36] <edmorley> Callek: sure :-)
# [11:36] <edmorley> sawrubh: can you pastebin please
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# [11:37] <sawrubh> edmorley: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667593
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# [11:39] <NeilAway> attachment 634212 for anyone who's a fan of code removal
# [11:40] <NeilAway> did bugzilla's ssl cert change recently?
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# [11:40] <NeilAway> wget is now complaining about it for some reason
# [11:40] <darktrojan> it had dns issues earlier
# [11:40] <darktrojan> so quite likely
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# [11:44] <edmorley> sawrubh: I believe that is due to --enable-profiling being turned on a push prior and lowering values across the board
# [11:45] * sawrubh hopes for some good news
# [11:45] <edmorley> sawrubh: I don't believe it was you
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# [11:46] <glandium> yeah, we probably need a script to do correlation for merges
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# [11:46] <edmorley> or more; stop the emails for pushes over size N, since the originally landing on the integration/project repo would have triggered mails anyway
# [11:47] <sawrubh> yay
# [11:47] <glandium> msvc 2010 is really slower to start than 2005
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# [11:49] <glob|away> NeilAway, bug 765923
# [11:50] <darktrojan> NeilAway, is this the right way to make the text-link binding open a tab instead of a window if that's what the prefs say? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667594
# [11:50] <darktrojan> less hacky, obviously
# [11:50] <NeilAway> darktrojan: no, because it might not be a browser window
# [11:51] <NeilAway> glob|away: ta
# [11:51] <darktrojan> but if it has a nsIBrowserDOMWindow then it has that method, surely
# [11:52] <darktrojan> and if it's a nsIDOMChromeWindow it should have a browserDomWindow (although sometimes it doesn't)
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# [11:53] <NeilAway> darktrojan: browserDOMWindow is opt-in, and only tabbed browsers actually need it
# [11:55] <darktrojan> thunderbird has it
# [11:55] <@smaug> hsivonen: btw, I was very surprised to see that inserting multiple script elements is so badly defined ( w3 Bug 17529 )
# [11:56] <@smaug> hsivonen: do you recall if we have had different behavior earlier?
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# [11:56] <@smaug> though, I think Gecko's behavior is the only reasonable
# [11:56] <darktrojan> NeilAway, it's not like I'm replacing the original behaviour
# [11:56] <@smaug> given the problems other approach brings in
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# [11:58] <NeilAway> darktrojan: well, you're creating indeterminate behaviour, depending on whether you can find an opener chain to a browser window or not
# [11:58] <msucan> hmm, the recent tbpl ui change which removes the squares from the header, for each orange/failure ... now makes finding oranges harder
# [11:59] <msucan> it only says N oranges but i can't visually find which. the squares made that easy
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# [11:59] <darktrojan> msucan, hit 'n'
# [12:00] <msucan> ah, cool
# [12:00] <msucan> darktrojan: thanks!
# [12:00] <darktrojan> np
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# [12:04] <ewong> hi.. I've reproduced my error in m-c. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667595 this is on a English Vista (locale: Traditional Chinese HKSAR - codepage 950 I guess), w/ MSVC2010
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# [12:10] <jfkthame> ewong: hmm, looks like the source there is utf8-encoded - your compiler must be interpreting it as the local codepage instead
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# [12:11] <ewong> jfkthame: I don't recall having this problem last month.. is there anyway I can fix this?
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# [12:12] <jfkthame> ewong: we took a harfbuzz update recently, i expect this was new there
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# [12:12] <ewong> ahh..
# [12:12] <ewong> jfkthame: will look into this..
# [12:12] <ewong> jfkthame: thanks!
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# [12:13] <jfkthame> ewong: from a quick google, it looks like there may be a /codepage option
# [12:13] <ewong|afk> \o/
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# [12:14] <jfkthame> ewong: if you figure out how it should be used, maybe we could add it to the makefile to make this more robust
# [12:14] <ewong> how would I supply that in .mozconfig? will try to find out.. thanks jfkthame...
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# [12:16] <@smaug> there is some hg command to clean up working dir
# [12:16] <@smaug> any idea what
# [12:18] <darktrojan> depends what you mean by clean up
# [12:18] <@smaug> darktrojan: I have some .orig files etc
# [12:18] <@smaug> there is some command to get rid of all that extra stuff
# [12:18] <darktrojan> hg status -un | xargs rm should do it
# [12:18] <@smaug> hmm
# [12:18] <@smaug> I don't mean that
# [12:18] <@smaug> there is some hg foo
# [12:19] <darktrojan> dunno
# [12:21] <glandium> hg purge
# [12:21] <@smaug> that one
# [12:21] <@smaug> thanks
# [12:21] <glandium> hg clean, too
# [12:24] <darktrojan> k, I just wield rm :)
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# [13:45] <gcp> I can hear try creaking each time I push :(
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# [14:11] <decoder> gcp: hehe
# [14:11] <decoder> im trying to push a beta patch to try
# [14:11] <decoder> but it takes forever
# [14:11] <decoder> the "Searching for changes" takes > 30 mins
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# [14:13] <Fallen> Are there alternatives to clang on mac? I'm getting a crash on startup with a fresh build and I can't make it go away no matter what I do
# [14:13] <Fallen> xpcom seems broken
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# [14:13] <Fallen> it can't initialize nsIXPCComponents
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# [14:14] <jfkthame> Fallen: there's a bug (with patch) about that somewhere, iirc
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# [14:14] <Fallen> zomg, where!?
# [14:14] <Fallen> you mean the crash, or alternatives to clang/
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# [14:14] <jfkthame> the crash, if it's the same one i saw recently
# [14:14] <Fallen> see my description on m.d.platform
# [14:15] <jfkthame> *alternative to clang would be gcc-4.2 but it's not installed by default with current xcode)
# [14:17] <tonymec> Hello. With hourly builds, there is an additional file named *.crashreporter-symbols.zip -- how is it to be used?
# [14:17] <Fallen> Hmm I previously installed the command-line tools for osx, but when I do gcc -v it still looks like its the shim for llvm-gcc
# [14:18] <jfkthame> yeah, i downloaded a separate gcc-4.2 …. just a sec, let's see if i can remember where
# [14:19] <jfkthame> Fallen: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer
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# [14:19] <jfkthame> that reduced my pain quite a bit
# [14:21] <Fallen> thanks, I'll give that one a try
# [14:21] <Fallen> jfkthame: if you come across the bug you mentioned, or have an idea what I should be searching for, let me know.
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# [14:22] <jfkthame> Fallen: sure - unfortunately my simple bugzilla search didn't seem to find it - maybe i'm misremembering, but i thought i'd seen something go by
# [14:23] <glandium> Fallen: llvm-gcc is not clang
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# [14:25] <Fallen> glandium: I know, but neither seem to make my situation any better - if its even a compiler issue.
# [14:25] <Fallen> llvm-gcc is rejected straight up, clang works but the startup fails
# [14:25] <Fallen> this used to work on the same mac when I had xcode 3 installed
# [14:25] <Fallen> before reinstalling everything
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# [14:27] <NeilAway> Fallen: I got your startup crash, but then my vm thinks my boot partition is corrupt and remounted it readonly :s
# [14:28] <Fallen> NeilAway: mac vm? Or is this now starting to happen on other platforms too?
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# [14:29] <NeilAway> Fallen: linux vm, so probably a different problem :s
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# [14:32] <decoder> can anyone try to push something to try on mozilla-beta? (doesnt matter what, im just trying to figure out if there is a general problem with pushing stuff to try from beta)
# [14:33] <nemo> So I was reading https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=416411 since someone here linked to it. I noticed dmandelin had setup a wiki page and done a bunch of analysis, then. stopped. is that just the way he is? Got redirected to more important projects? Or will it suddenly appear, 4 years later? :)
# [14:33] <nemo> 'cause those memory savings were pretty nice, and given all that interest in memshrink and such
# [14:34] <nemo> hm. could hook that bug in to the memshrink bug :D
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# [14:38] <jfkthame> nemo: i'm sure we could make memory savings there, but there might be other performance tradeoffs, so any such change would need a bunch of analysis/testing
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# [14:41] <nemo> jfkthame: that's probably true of plenty of other things in memshrink :)
# [14:41] <nemo> jfkthame: I noticed he was doing other performance analysis too, or at least starting to
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# [14:41] <nemo> oh well. just wondering.
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# [14:45] <firebot> mak was last seen 4 days, 17 hours, 18 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying 'Yoric: tomorrow afternoon I will be away, but tomorro morning I can definitely review it' in #developers.
# [14:45] <Yoric> firebot: stop pinging me when people are looking for mak!
# [14:45] <firebot> Yoric: ok
# [14:45] <Yoric> Wow.
# [14:46] <Yoric> What did firebot just understand?
# [14:46] <capella> wow!
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# [14:46] <Yoric> !seen mak
# [14:46] <firebot> mak was last seen 4 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying 'Yoric: tomorrow afternoon I will be away, but tomorro morning I can definitely review it' in #developers.
# [14:46] <Yoric> Definitely not that.
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# [14:46] <firebot> capella: Sorry, I've no idea what 'stop being silly' might be.
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# [14:47] <firebot> capella: Sorry, I've no idea what 'stop pinging me' might be.
# [14:47] <capella> ?
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# [14:49] <firebot> Mossop: stop pinging me when people are looking for mak!
# [14:50] <darktrojan> firebot, forget about stop pinging me when people
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# [14:50] <capella> foo are bar
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# [14:50] <capella> firebot: be silly when I are not here
# [14:51] <firebot> capella: ok
# [14:51] <capella> firebot: be silly when I
# [14:51] <firebot> capella: be silly when I are not here
# [14:51] * Ms2ger whacks capella
# [14:51] <mgoodwin> So I'm trying to build fx-team from a repostory I cloned ages ago (6 months?) and haven't used much since
# [14:51] <capella> hey! i got it!
# [14:51] <mgoodwin> so I did an hg fetch
# [14:51] <mgoodwin> and attempted to build
# [14:52] <mgoodwin> and got this:
# [14:52] <sawrubh> capella: I would suggest you can start taking care of firebot along with wolfiR ;)
# [14:52] <mgoodwin> http://mgoodwin.pastebin.mozilla.org/1667702
# [14:52] <sawrubh> capella: you seem to have a liking for it :)
# [14:53] <mgoodwin> I notice the target for fixing this doesn't exist...
# [14:53] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [14:54] <sawrubh> capella: he needs that care with all the people teaching him/her so many things
# [14:54] <Ms2ger> mgoodwin, what does hg st say?
# [14:55] <mgoodwin> Ms2ger: It says I have a bunch of stuff hg knows nothing about: http://mgoodwin.pastebin.mozilla.org/1667705
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# [14:56] <Ms2ger> That does look like you built in there...
# [14:58] <AryehGregor> So for those who don't like MOZ_ASSERT crashing their builds: can we add a compile flag that makes fatal asserts behave like NS_ASSERTION (so they still fail tests)? Maybe per-directory?
# [14:58] <mgoodwin> Ms2ger: I've nothing I need to keep (I can clone again); just seemed weird.
# [14:58] <Ms2ger> mgoodwin, try hg up -C
# [14:58] <mgoodwin> no changes
# [14:58] <Ms2ger> Hmm
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# [14:59] <Ms2ger> hg qnew bad && hg addrem && hg qref && hg qpo
# [14:59] <Ms2ger> And if that still doesn't do anything, reclone :)
# [14:59] <decoder> Ms2ger: can you help me with a problem when pushing to try? prettyplease? :D
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# [15:00] <Ms2ger> decoder, do tell
# [15:00] <decoder> Ms2ger: i applied some patches to mozilla-beta, then pushed to try
# [15:00] <decoder> i get
# [15:00] <decoder> pushing to ssh://hg.mozilla.org/try
# [15:00] <decoder> searching for changes
# [15:00] <decoder> now taking 2 hours already
# [15:00] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [15:01] <Ms2ger> I think ctrl+c *probably* won't hose the repo
# [15:01] <nemo> You know, I'd swear I hit ctrl-w yet firefox completely closed...
# [15:02] <Ms2ger> nemo, how long did you hold it? :)
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# [15:02] <nemo> plus. was on the windows instance w/ no ctrl-q
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# [15:02] <nemo> Ms2ger: all my tabs are still there. maybe nightly just crashed in a way that looked just like a close
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> Sounds plausible
# [15:03] <zzzzz> anything in about:crashes ?
# [15:03] <nemo> nope
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# [15:05] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, is bug 765799 (newOffset regression) worth trying to backport because it's a regression, or is it not high-impact enough to care about?
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# [15:05] <AryehGregor> It's pretty obscure, that's for sure.
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# [15:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/95852ec078fb - Paul Rouget - Bug 761023 - [devtb] Developer Toolbar should re-open automatically if browser closed with it open; r=jwalker
# [15:07] <Ms2ger> Dunno, probably doesn't hurt to backport
# [15:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/960b6d4ea73b - Tim Taubert - Bug 752407 - Thumbnail cache should be created in the Local profile folder, not the Roaming ones; r=mak
# [15:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1dd1770cc77e - Thaddee Tyl - Bug 724585 - We need a way to scroll a page to center an element if the element is not visible; r=rcampbell
# [15:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7489a41d6037 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [15:07] <AryehGregor> To beta also?
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# [15:08] <decoder> Ms2ger: i tried a few times to interrupt and push again
# [15:08] <AryehGregor> Seems reasonable.
# [15:08] <decoder> Ms2ger: but i always get the same..
# [15:08] <AryehGregor> May as well request it.
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# [15:08] <Ms2ger> decoder, ::
# [15:08] <Ms2ger> :/, even
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# [15:09] <Ms2ger> decoder, #it may be able to help
# [15:09] <decoder> i filed a bug with it but they were not able to help so far
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# [15:10] <decoder> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762638
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# [15:11] <catlee> decoder: what version of hg do you have?
# [15:13] <decoder> catlee: 1.9.1
# [15:13] <decoder> on ubuntu 11.10
# [15:13] <catlee> hm, that should be new enough
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# [15:15] <decoder> catlee: im also successfully pushing central and aurora changes to try
# [15:15] <edmorley> are we doing a=test-only for aurora, or not?
# [15:15] <decoder> it is just mozilla-beta that causes a problem right now (havent tried release)
# [15:15] <catlee> maybe mozilla-beta is too different now...
# [15:17] <decoder> catlee: you mean the diff between central and beta is too large?
# [15:17] <catlee> too many changes
# [15:18] <catlee> it needs to find the common ancestor, and then push all the changes from there to your tip
# [15:18] <catlee> I know how I'd fix that with git...
# [15:19] <decoder> sounds like a reasonable theory to me :)
# [15:19] * decoder isnt an HG expert
# [15:19] <catlee> if you can make a patch that reverts m-c to the state of m-b you want to test, and then put your change on top of that...might be faster?
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# [15:20] <decoder> catlee: the thing is, that patch would be valid for one version of m-c/m-b
# [15:20] <decoder> but im trying to push daily
# [15:20] <decoder> using a job
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# [15:22] <catlee> ah
# [15:22] <catlee> hm
# [15:22] <Ms2ger> Bas, (sorry, couldn't resist) what's the difference between the Netherlands and "i"?
# [15:22] <catlee> maybe you can get IT to pull in mozilla-beta changes into try for you?
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# [15:24] <catlee> should be faster for them to do
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# [15:27] <NeilAway> glob: IE6 doesn't like that cert either ;-)
# [15:27] <glob> NeilAway, ha!
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# [15:29] <decoder> catlee: does that work if mozilla-beta keeps changing too?
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# [15:32] <jcranmer> Ms2ger: one's imaginary and the other is the square root of -1?
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# [15:33] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, I approve of math jokes, but no :)
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# [15:34] <catlee> decoder: yeah, it will help I think
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# [15:34] <jcranmer> Ms2ger: one has two capitals and the other... ?
# [15:34] <catlee> until the next uplift at least
# [15:34] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, "i" has a point
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# [15:35] <jcranmer> I liked my answer better
# [15:35] <decoder> catlee: hm ok. still thinking about a more permanent solution that works across uplifts too, but if we have the problem identified now, that might be doable :) ill also ask a friend of mine who has a lot more knowledge on how hg works. maybe theres a more efficient way to do it than what im doing now
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# [15:36] <jcranmer> ponies are useless, I want a real horse
# [15:36] <decoder> catlee: thanks for your help so far =)
# [15:36] <catlee> decoder: use git :)
# [15:36] <Ms2ger> catlee--
# [15:36] <decoder> catlee: to push to try? ;)
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# [15:37] <jmaher|afk> bholley: ping
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# [15:37] <bholley> jmaher: pong
# [15:38] <jmaher> bholley: I didn't realize we included a ton of mochitest stuff inside the reftest package, but I did find a few instances of enableprivilege and we just commented them out: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/bugs/reftest.list#1171
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# [15:39] <bholley> jmaher: ah, ok
# [15:40] <jmaher> also http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/svg/moz-only/reftest.list#22
# [15:41] <jmaher> I assume we can just do the same to the jsreftest that is requiring enablePrivilege? Also we should document the svg one in the reftest.list
# [15:41] <bholley> jmaher: well
# [15:41] <bholley> jmaher: so, they _all_ require enablePrivilege
# [15:41] <bholley> jmaher: that's the problem
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# [15:41] <bholley> jmaher: they use browser.js to do things like gc()
# [15:41] <bholley> jmaher: which uses enablePrivilege
# [15:42] <bholley> jmaher: because there's no SpecialPowers in reftest
# [15:42] <bholley> jmaher: so the "one test" I'm talking about is the one test that doesn't like my hacked version of enablePrivilege
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# [15:43] <jmaher> bholley: so does your hacked version of enablePrivilege work with browser.js ?
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# [15:43] <bholley> jmaher: it depends what you mean by "work"
# [15:43] <bholley> jmaher: my interim enablePrivilege makes the privileges permanent for the window
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# [15:44] <bholley> jmaher: so whenever you call enablePrivilege, you're privileged. And not just until the function returns. Forever.
# [15:44] <nemo> ugh. close button for Inspect isn't working
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# [15:44] <nemo> and I don't have firebug installed in this profile
# [15:44] <nemo> even closing the tab didn't work :(
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# [15:44] <bholley> jmaher: now, since browser.js uses it all over the place, the implication is that a whole bunch of jstests are now running with privileges where they didn't used to
# [15:45] <bholley> jmaher: but the tests mostly don't care
# [15:45] <jmaher> bholley: I see
# [15:45] <bholley> jmaher: and there's only one test that cares
# [15:45] <bholley> jmaher: so I think we should just move it to a mochitest
# [15:45] <nemo> Timestamp: 06/19/2012 09:35:57 AM Error: TypeError: can't access dead object Source File: resource:///modules/devtools/LayoutView.jsm Line: 294
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# [15:45] <nemo> ^^ the error when clicking the close button in Inspect FWIW
# [15:45] <nemo> file another bug?
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# [15:51] <nemo> Ah. Inspector errors only seem to happen on https://thimble.webmaker.org/en-US/editor
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# [15:51] <nemo> couple more
# [15:52] <nemo> Error: TypeError: aContext is null Source File: resource:///modules/devtools/StyleInspector.jsm Line: 46
# [15:52] <nemo> Error: TypeError: domRules is null Source File: resource:///modules/devtools/CssRuleView.jsm Line: 162
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# [15:52] <glandium> what was the function to dump a js stack in a debugger?
# [15:52] <nemo> normally don't put it in this profile since I was using it for testing and it tends to get wiped every other day
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# [15:55] <jcranmer> glandium: DumpJSSStack, I believe
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# [16:02] <glandium> jcranmer: that was it, thanks
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# [16:03] <nemo> JS errors might be related to some weird behaviour I'm seeing on the Thimble page in both Firebug and Firefox Inspect
# [16:03] <nemo> (although only the inspector is blowing up, firebug is fine)
# [16:04] <nemo> If I ctrl-shift-r the page the page with no tools active and right click on <title> of Your Awesome Webpage I see a <pre> and some odd child content that is not part of the page hierarchy
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# [16:05] <nemo> if I inspect a second time in Firebug or Inspector I get the full tree
# [16:05] <nemo> regardless of what I do though, Inspector fails to close, and I have to restart the browser to get rid of it
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# [16:06] <bholley> jmaher: yt?
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# [16:08] <jmaher> bholley: yeah
# [16:08] <jmaher> bholley: real quick what is the objection to adding special powers to reftest?
# [16:08] <Ms2ger> "The walking panda looks fine to me"
# [16:09] <Ms2ger> Not sure if it's QA or a spy
# [16:09] <jmaher> Ms2ger: probably a spy
# [16:09] <Ms2ger> And he has a .ro email address
# [16:09] <bholley> jmaher: I don't remember who told me (I thought it was you?). But anyway, I think basically that there are only a handful of reftests that need it
# [16:09] <Ms2ger> Definitely a spy
# [16:09] <@bz> Has anyone seen Cameron recently?
# [16:10] <Ms2ger> Not me
# [16:10] <bholley> jmaher: but I don't know more than that
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# [16:10] <@bz> jmaher: the fact that we're trying to converge reftest formats with the W3C
# [16:10] <bholley> jmaher: anyway, I'm getting stuck on the tests in toolkit/components/prompts. Something funny seems to be going on with EventUtils.js. Do you have time to take a look?
# [16:11] <Ms2ger> We are?
# [16:11] <@bz> jmaher: as in, have a common reftest test suite used by us, the W3C official test suites, and other browsers
# [16:11] <@bz> Ms2ger: so I thought!
# [16:11] <@bz> jmaher: that means not using mozilla-specific stuff, if possible
# [16:11] <jmaher> bz: makes sense
# [16:11] <bholley> bz: it sure would be nice for crashtests though
# [16:12] <Ms2ger> I just hope we're not converging to Microsoft-style we-can-run-it-once-in-three-days manual test suites :)
# [16:12] <jmaher> maybe we could add it in for the jsreftests since that is something plugged into the harness
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# [16:12] <jmaher> Ms2ger: I remember a test suite taking 8 days when I worked at microsoft
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# [16:12] <Ms2ger> They're all mad
# [16:12] <jmaher> bholley: what eventutils.js stuff is problematic
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# [16:13] <jmaher> Ms2ger: but that was windows ce 2.12 tests on PPC chip, it took about 6 hours on a SH4 chip
# [16:13] <bholley> jmaher: some weirdness about sendMouseEvent not being defined
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# [16:13] <Ms2ger> jmaher, for a human or automated?
# [16:13] <jmaher> oh, can you send me a specific test case or a patch queue and test case
# [16:13] <jmaher> Ms2ger: 100% automated
# [16:14] <jmaher> the chipset was just that slow
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# [16:14] <Ms2ger> jmaher, this one requires a human to hit a pass/fail button for each test
# [16:14] <jmaher> oh, like moztrap
# [16:14] <Ms2ger> Yeah, but more sucky
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# [16:15] <bholley> jmaher: if you apply this diff you'll hit it: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667764
# [16:16] <@bz> Ms2ger: I hope so too
# [16:16] <@bz> bholley: crashtests I think we would be more willing to do it for
# [16:16] <bholley> jmaher: make -C testing/mochitest && TEST_PATH=toolkit/components/prompts/test make mochitest-plain
# [16:16] <@bz> bholley: ping dbaron?
# [16:16] <Ms2ger> Hmm, I promised to help out reftestizing CSS21 tests...
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# [16:17] <jmaher> bz: yeah, Iam only interested in jsreftests and maybe crashtests for specialpowers, reftests have a solution
# [16:17] <jmaher> bholley: building with the patch, my tree was a bit out of date
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# [16:24] <@smaug> hmm, how do I pass the "global" defines to Preprocessor.py ?
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# [16:26] <bholley> peterv: how's that? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=69c4caecc2de
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# [16:27] <@smaug> ted: do you happen to know
# [16:27] <Ms2ger> bholley, \o/
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# [16:28] <ted> smaug: maybe DEFINES += $(ACDEFINES) ?
# [16:28] <@smaug> passing $(ACDEFINES) didn't help
# [16:28] <@smaug> I try that
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# [16:29] <Mossop> Lots of code seems to call with |Preprocessor.py $(DEFINES) $(ACDEFINES) $(XULPPFLAGS)|
# [16:29] <@smaug> yeah, but I don't get for example DEBUG
# [16:29] <ted> it's probably in mozilla-config.h or something
# [16:29] <@smaug> I get only the defines from the Makefile.in I'm hacking
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# [16:32] <@smaug> ah, hmm , ok
# [16:32] <@smaug> I just don't get the defines I expect
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# [16:39] <bholley> Ms2ger: sorry about the |return false| :-(
# [16:39] <bholley> Ms2ger: it'll compile correctly though, right?
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# [16:44] <jcranmer> glandium: ping
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# [16:45] <glandium> jcranmer: pong
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# [16:46] <jcranmer> glandium: do you know an easy way to override the plt lazy-loading resolution stub function?
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# [16:46] <glandium> jcranmer: LD_BIND_NOW=1 ?
# [16:46] <glandium> jcranmer: although, are you asking for b2g ?
# [16:47] <jcranmer> with a custom function
# [16:47] <jcranmer> no, desktop mostly
# [16:47] <glandium> jcranmer: what are you trying to do?
# [16:47] * froydnj guesses jcranmer wants ifuncs
# [16:48] <jcranmer> glandium: I have a function which automagically gets called at the beginning of every function
# [16:48] <Ms2ger> bholley, sure, C++ is silly like that
# [16:48] <jcranmer> glandium: my idea is to patch out some of those calls at dynamic symbol resolution time to get a subset of the functions that are interesting
# [16:49] <glandium> jcranmer: i don't think that's going to do what you'd like
# [16:50] <jcranmer> glandium: oh?
# [16:50] <glandium> jcranmer: only calls to exported symbols are ever going to do plt calls, and even that is not guaranteed
# [16:50] <nemo> paul: heh. so it was a dupe eh. oh well. that's usually why I ask here :)
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# [16:51] <glandium> jcranmer: it's only guaranteed for calls crossing library boundaries (lib A calls lib B)
# [16:51] <paul> nemo: don't bother. file bugs. no problem if it's a dupe. It's even better (more bugs more info)
# [16:52] <nemo> oh. cool. didn't want to overwhelm people
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# [16:56] <@bsmedberg> gerv: piung
# [16:56] <gerv> bsmedberg: piong
# [16:56] <Ms2ger> gerv++
# [16:56] <gerv> Or even poung.
# [16:57] <@bsmedberg> gerv: did you see the /. thread about mailing list/forum solutions? and in particular http://forum.dlang.org/help which is powered by https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed ?
# [16:57] <gerv> bsmedberg: I did not.
# [16:57] <gerv> Looking now.
# [16:57] <@bsmedberg> that one looks pretty slick from my PoV
# [16:58] <firebot> Check-in:
# [16:58] <gerv> So it's a web-based front end to an NNTP server?
# [16:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d29af708ec3c - Mark Banner - Bug 757794 - Constant "command timed out: 1200 seconds without output" in test_0200_app_launch_apply_update.js and others. Ensure that timeout loops will always abort eventually.
# [16:58] <firebot> r=ehsan
# [16:58] <gerv> How do the integrate the NNTP server and mailing lists?
# [16:58] <@bsmedberg> gerv: it appears to do email/NNTP/forum
# [16:58] <gerv> s/the/they/.
# [16:58] <@bsmedberg> I don't actually know which of those is the "primary" view, but it really doesn't look like it matters much
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# [16:59] <gerv> Looks like it's a web interface to news.
# [16:59] <gerv> So that's pretty cool.
# [16:59] <gerv> We could bolt it on to the existing solution as an alternative to GG.
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# [16:59] <gerv> It wouldn't solve all the problems,
# [16:59] <gerv> but it would solve some.
# [17:00] <@bsmedberg> maybe their email gateway is better too? ;-)
# [17:00] <gerv> Maybe!
# [17:00] <jcranmer> mailman munges all message-IDs on injection into NNTP
# [17:00] <jcranmer> which screws threading up royally bad
# [17:00] <@bz> Hey, we fixed the "can't disable PDF viewer" thing
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# [17:02] <@bsmedberg> Is there a status board for the builtin PDF viewer indicating what PDF features it doesn't implement yet?
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# [17:05] <gerv> bsmedberg: Looks really good.
# [17:05] <gerv> I've emailed the author.
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# [17:10] <ted> bsmedberg: this is a really weird crash
# [17:10] <ted> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8c8ed597-c3da-497e-8d5c-0a96f2120618
# [17:10] <ted> stack overflow, but the stack as presented is not super long
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# [17:11] <@bsmedberg> EXCEPTION_STACK_OVERFLOW @ 0x50a6b
# [17:11] <ted> if i run minidump_stackwalk locally, it tells me that it's finding that CrashReporter::GetOrInit frame via the previous frame's frame pointer
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# [17:11] <@bsmedberg> where's the return address for wmain?
# [17:11] <ted> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667780
# [17:11] <ted> windbg doesn't tell me anything useful
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# [17:12] <ted> esp from frame 0 to frame 1 is a huge jump
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# [17:13] <@smaug> ted: what all phases do we have with Makefiles
# [17:13] <@bsmedberg> wait, but...
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# [17:13] <ted> like a megabyte of stack
# [17:13] <@smaug> when does export:: run ?
# [17:13] <@bsmedberg> smaug: export/libs/tools
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# [17:13] <@bsmedberg> ted: the crash address is the EIP, though, not a stack location
# [17:14] <@bsmedberg> unless that's normal for stack-overflow crashes...
# [17:14] <ted> might be
# [17:14] <ted> i'd have to read the docs
# [17:14] <ted> i think we only get extra info for invalid access
# [17:14] <@bsmedberg> smaug: for each tier, we run all of export, then libs, then tools
# [17:14] <@bsmedberg> smaug: and currently there are only two tiers, tier_platform and tier_app
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# [17:15] <@bsmedberg> ted: seems weird that EIP is pointing at non-code memory too
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# [17:16] <@bsmedberg> ted: is this common, or can we just blame this on cosmic rays?
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# [17:18] <ted> the GetOrInit thing is apparently a topcrash, i guess?
# [17:18] <ted> bug 597262
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# [17:18] <ted> there's a user there who says they updated to thunderbird 13.0.1 and now can't open thunderbird and it crashes with this
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# [17:18] <ted> there is a hook DLL from Avast in the module list
# [17:18] <ted> bsmedberg: yes, the top of the stack is really confusing to me
# [17:19] <@bsmedberg> crap, this is a *topcrash*?
# [17:19] <@bsmedberg> ted: does your search-the-stack tool see anything?
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# [17:19] <froydnj> hm --debugger=xvfb-run almost works
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# [17:21] <ted> bsmedberg: was just about to try that
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# [17:21] <Ms2ger> Bah
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# [17:22] <ted> mostly junk, but looks like maybe one more frame hiding up top
# [17:22] <ted> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667799
# [17:22] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I think xvfb-run make mochitest-a11y has atleast sort of sometimes worked for me
# [17:22] <@bsmedberg> ted: who was it who was talking to us about not being able to get minidumps or full dumps off of tinderbox runs last week?
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# [17:23] <@bsmedberg> I never saw a bug-cc related to that.
# [17:23] <tbsaunde> I'm not sure about other tests though
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# [17:23] <ted> bsmedberg: don't remember hearing that, maybe it was during a session i missed?
# [17:23] <ted> JS hackers?
# [17:23] <@bsmedberg> yeah, JS hackers
# [17:23] <ted> there's a bug on file for "let test machines upload stuff somewhere"
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# [17:23] <ted> right now for unittest runs we save minidumps locally
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# [17:24] <ted> ookay
# [17:24] <froydnj> tbsaunde: hm, doesn't seem to run mochitest-1 for me =/
# [17:24] <ted> so that hidden top frame is calling PR_Close: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/annotate/f48d675ffa9f/toolkit/crashreporter/nsExceptionHandler.cpp#l927
# [17:24] <ted> i'd make a strong case for "not our bug"
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# [17:25] <ted> presumably something has hooked file I/O and has a bug
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# [17:25] <froydnj> and boo, --close-when-done doesn't seem to work either
# [17:25] <ted> not sure why it doesn't show up on the stack, but ugh
# [17:25] <@bsmedberg> ted: eww, this feels a lot like a networking bug I've seen
# [17:25] <philor> don't we save minidumps where the next run deletes them?
# [17:25] <ted> philor: pretty much!
# [17:25] <@bsmedberg> philor: they want full dumps, not minidumps (which we can do in-code)
# [17:25] <glandium> froydnj: it doesn't work when you run one test only
# [17:25] <ted> full dumps are harder
# [17:26] <froydnj> glandium: *boggle*
# [17:26] <ted> it wouldn't be hard to add an env var that made us write them
# [17:26] <ted> (at least on windows)
# [17:26] <ted> on other platforms we don't actually have that functionality
# [17:26] <ted> storage space would be an issue
# [17:26] <froydnj> glandium: but that would explain a lot, thanks
# [17:26] <@bsmedberg> yeah, they just want them in one particular case which keeps crashing
# [17:26] <@bsmedberg> see the WOO report for the gc::Cell crasher
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# [17:27] * froydnj suspects he would regret trying to figure out why --close-when-done doesn't work with single tests
# [17:27] <ted> froydnj: there's a whole bug on it
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# [17:28] <ted> froydnj: most of the fun harness stuff relies on loading tests in an iframe
# [17:28] <ted> if you run a single test it's not in an iframe
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# [17:28] <ted> bsmedberg: it'd probably be like 3 lines of code to force full dumps on windows
# [17:28] <ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/crashreporter/nsExceptionHandler.cpp#762
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# [17:28] <@bsmedberg> yeah, I said as much
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# [17:29] <ted> stick an env var check in there and use MinidumpWithFullMemory or whatever
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# [17:29] <@bsmedberg> that's not the hard part
# [17:29] <@bsmedberg> apparently it was stuck on provisioning an FTP server or something
# [17:29] <ted> ah
# [17:29] <ted> yeah
# [17:29] <ted> so
# [17:29] <@bsmedberg> which sounded absurd on the face of it, but I wanted to read the bug before reacting
# [17:29] <ted> right now we save dumps from test runs
# [17:29] <ted> (there's a bug there where we only save the latest dump, of course)
# [17:30] <ted> but i've successfully used that, you just have to get someone from releng to grab it for you
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# [17:31] <jmaher> bholley: ping
# [17:32] <philor> is create the directory fixed, or do you have to have someone from releng who knows it might be in a directory named minidumps, or it might be in a file named minidumps?
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# [17:32] <ted> that's not fixed so it's a directory :-(
# [17:32] <ted> but thanks for reminding me of one more bug i don't have time to fix
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# [17:33] <froydnj> ted: thanks. my bugzilla-fu is weak, I can only find bug 682337
# [17:33] <froydnj> ted: do you happen to know what the bug is off the top of your head?
# [17:34] <ted> bug 508664
# [17:34] <ted> poorly named
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# [17:34] <froydnj> ted: thanks!
# [17:35] <ted> np
# [17:35] <jlebar> ttaubert, ping?
# [17:35] <jlebar> ttaubert, Oh, I see.
# [17:35] <jlebar> ttaubert, It's moving code from sessionhistory.jsm to sessionstore.jsm.
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# [17:36] <jlebar> ttaubert, I saw "JSM" in the second diff and got confused, sorry.
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# [17:40] <Ms2ger> ###!!! ASSERTION: QueryInterface needed: 'query_result.get() == mRawPtr', file ../../../dist/include/nsCOMPtr.h, line 498
# [17:40] <Ms2ger> Bad?
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# [17:41] <Bas> callek: Looks like you should be good with the FXAA issue! :)
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# [17:41] <froydnj> yes, bad
# [17:41] * froydnj hit that yesterday
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> Did you catch it?
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# [17:43] <froydnj> well, it pointed out a bug in my code
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# [17:43] <Ms2ger> I only touched server-locations.txt and tests
# [17:43] <Ms2ger> Actually, that's a lie
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# [17:44] <Ms2ger> But the other thing only involves strings
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# [17:46] <Ms2ger> Hmm, that didn't help
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# [17:49] <espindola> rail-buildduty, the new clang package is already in the bots?
# [17:49] <espindola> i.e., can I push to try?
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# [17:49] <rail-buildduty> espindola: yeah, go go go :)
# [17:49] <espindola> awesome, thanks
# [17:49] <rail-buildduty> yw
# [17:50] <AryehGregor> ehsan, do you think it's feasible to get nsEditor::GetSelection to be infallible? Is there any sane/legitimate reason it should fail?
# [17:50] <@bsmedberg> oh!
# [17:50] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: yeah, if the presshell goes away for example?
# [17:50] * @bsmedberg feels stupid now
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# [17:51] <AryehGregor> ehsan, is that a sane/legitimate reason? Why would that happen?
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# [17:51] <@ehsan> it is sane in case the presentation of the document goes away
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# [17:53] <AryehGregor> Why would the editor still exist in that case? Can we deal with it centrally somehow so that it doesn't have to be handled in every individual method?
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# [17:53] <AryehGregor> Could the editor maybe maintain strong references to all these objects so they don't go away?
# [17:53] <@ehsan> the editor is attached to the document, so it will survive
# [17:54] <@ehsan> unfortunately we don't have a central place for these types of checks
# [17:54] * @bz imagines the editor singing "I will survive!"
# [17:54] <AryehGregor> When would the presentation of the document go away when the document is still there?
# [17:55] <glandium> great, so windows update was stuck on updating msvc 2010 to sp1 since this morning, so i stopped it, now i can
# [17:55] <glandium> 't do the upgrade
# [17:55] <glandium> and all it gives me is further msvc updates, which it fails to install
# [17:55] <jcranmer> bad karma?
# [17:55] <ted> ugh
# [17:55] <AryehGregor> Could we either 1) make the editor keep the presentation alive, or 2) make the presentation kill the editor when it goes away too?
# [17:55] <jprmc> catlee: how do i figure out who is on releng duty today?
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# [17:56] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: no, they're both bad ideas
# [17:56] <glandium> jcranmer: bad UX, obviously
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# [17:58] <catlee> jprmc: look at the treeinfo dropdown on tbpl
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# [18:02] <jmaher> bholley: ping
# [18:02] <bholley> jmaher: hi
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# [18:02] <jmaher> bholley: is the problem in test_modal_prompt.html?
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# [18:04] <bholley> jmaher: I hit the problem with test_bug620145.html
# [18:04] <jmaher> bholley: ok
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# [18:04] <bholley> jmaher: note that this is with my enablePrivilege patch applied
# [18:04] <bholley> jmaher: but theoretically, I'm trying to just remove enablePrivilege from those tests
# [18:05] <@bsmedberg> ted: I have a downloaded nightly build, is it possible to save disassembly of a particular file or set of functions to disk, given that I also have symbol server symbols for that build?
# [18:05] <jmaher> bholley: well I wanted to know if it works standalone vs in a directory (harness/iframe)
# [18:05] <jmaher> I think the results are the same either way
# [18:06] <bholley> jmaher: ah. yeah. I'm doing TEST_PATH=toolkit/components/prompts/test/test_bug620145.html make mochitest-plain
# [18:06] <ted> bsmedberg: you should be able to load it in a debugger and get that
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# [18:06] <ttaubert> jlebar: oh sorry, didn't see your pings
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# [18:06] <jlebar> ttaubert, it's okay; we handled it in the bug.
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# [18:06] <@bsmedberg> ted: I can, but MSVC won't let me search in the disassembly window
# [18:06] <jlebar> ttaubert, sorry I was confused earlier.
# [18:06] <ted> bsmedberg: i thought it let you specify an address up top?
# [18:06] * ted normally uses windbg
# [18:06] <@bsmedberg> ted: I'm trying to find out what code might be jumping to the label I'm currently at
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# [18:06] <ted> right
# [18:07] <ted> oh, so you just want to disassemble a whole bunch of stuff
# [18:07] <@bsmedberg> yeah, and grep it
# [18:07] <jmaher> bholley: I have lunch plans, but will be back and hack on this
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# [18:07] <bholley> jmaher: awesome, thanks :-)
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# [18:08] <sheppy> Hm. That "Using nsIDirectoryService" page seems to have always been that weird looking, according to page history. It just needs to be redone.
# [18:08] <sheppy> Which probably won't happen for a long time.
# [18:08] <sheppy> Unless someone volunteers. :)
# [18:08] <bholley> jmaher: you might also want to apply the PoC patch in bug 757046 and rebuild
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# [18:10] <ted> bsmedberg: so, windbg has a # command
# [18:10] <ted> "Search for disassembly
# [18:10] <@bsmedberg> oh cool
# [18:10] <ted> searches for a pattern in disassembly at a given address
# [18:10] <ted> windbg is just a commandline interface to the debugger APIs :-P
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# [18:11] <decoder> catlee: i talked to dveditz and he was asking if it was a good idea to have another try branch based on beta or release so we can push these to try more easily? not to speak of ESR
# [18:11] <jmaher> bholley: thanks, building
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# [18:12] <jprmc> vlad: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665909
# [18:13] <jprmc> vlad: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Alder
# [18:13] <jesup> glandium: ping
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# [18:13] <jprmc> vlad: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691234
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# [18:14] <edmorley> For anyone interested, 13.0.1 post mortem meeting about to start -> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Post-mortems/Firefox_13.0
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# [18:16] <glandium> jesup: pong
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# [18:17] <jesup> glandium: (and ted & kyle and ehsan if available) the webrtc team would like to chat about gkmedia and the WebRTC signaling code, which needs to interact strongly with the PeerConnection and MediaStream objects from content/media
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# [18:17] <@ehsan> jesup: ok, but I'm about to head out to lunch
# [18:18] <jesup> and right now it's living in gkmedia with webrtc/trunk
# [18:18] <@ehsan> jesup: I hope you guys are putting all of the code in gkmedisas? :)
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# [18:18] <@ehsan> cool
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# [18:18] <ted> ehsan: i think that's the point
# [18:18] <jesup> quick hangout ok? or irc in #media? Ekr has to go at 12:30 EDT
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# [18:18] <@ehsan> jesup: have you run it through the try server? that way you can also get numbers for a PGO build maximum linker memory usage
# [18:18] <ted> jesup: i've never used a hangout, is it easy?
# [18:18] <ted> i can do irc
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# [18:19] <@ehsan> irc wfm
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# [18:19] <jesup> ok, #media
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# [18:26] <@bsmedberg> ted: hey, turns out that dumpbin -disasm works like a charm if you have _NT_SYMBOL_PATH set usefully
# [18:27] <@bsmedberg> and you can specify ranges if you know kinda where you're looking
# [18:27] <ted> huh!
# [18:27] <ted> neat
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# [18:28] <ted> heh
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# [18:31] <@bz> sheppy: ping
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# [18:31] <sheppy> bz: pong
# [18:32] <@bz> sheppy: so I was considering writing some documentation for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740069
# [18:32] <@bz> sheppy: basically for people writing code using the new bindings
# [18:32] <@bz> sheppy: where should that go?
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# [18:32] <Ms2ger> Gecko/
# [18:32] <@bz> sheppy: devmo, or wikimo or somewhere else?
# [18:32] <Ms2ger> And devmo
# [18:32] <sheppy> bz: You talking specifically for XMLHttpRequest or in general?
# [18:32] <@khuey|caltrain> documentation says:
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# [18:32] <@khuey|caltrain> visit the high temple of #content
# [18:32] <Ms2ger> In general
# [18:32] <@bz> sheppy: In general
# [18:33] <@khuey|caltrain> place your offerings before them
# [18:33] <AryehGregor> So the crashtest I'm adding for bug 766025 now fails because of lots of leaks.
# [18:33] <AryehGregor> That seems surprising to me.
# [18:33] <@bz> khuey|caltrain: I would like to put a stop to that. ;)
# [18:33] <@khuey|caltrain> and recite the ceremonial prayer
# [18:33] <sheppy> Is there an official name for "Paris bindings"?
# [18:33] <sheppy> Or is that it? :)
# [18:33] <@khuey|caltrain> bz: but I like the offerings
# [18:33] <@khuey|caltrain> bz: this is how I get my supply of maple cream cookies
# [18:33] <@bz> sheppy: "WebIDL bindings"
# [18:33] <@bz> sheppy: is what I would call it
# [18:33] <Ms2ger> sheppy, that's it :)
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# [18:33] <sheppy> bz: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla/WebIDL_bindings
# [18:34] <sheppy> That's where the root of all docs on the subject should be.
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# [18:34] <@bz> sheppy: ok, thanks
# [18:34] <sheppy> bz: also, if you write about that, you'll be my hero for the week.
# [18:35] <@bz> sheppy: heh
# [18:35] <@bz> sheppy: I'm tired of answering questions on irc
# [18:35] <@bz> sheppy: and I want a non-code place to look things up myself. ;)
# [18:35] <sheppy> bz: that's how most docs happen :D
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# [18:35] <@bz> mmm
# [18:35] <@bz> that url redirected me
# [18:35] <sheppy> "God, I'm sick of explaining this crap.
# [18:35] <sheppy> bz: log in first.
# [18:35] <sheppy> Then go there.
# [18:35] <@bz> aha
# [18:35] <sheppy> The current crappy wiki doesn't offer to log you in and let you edit.
# [18:36] <@bz> woohoo!
# [18:36] <sheppy> The new one will. If it doesn't, the dev team will ANSWER TO ME!
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# [18:36] <@bz> browserid caching the login now!
# [18:36] <jhammel> :)
# [18:36] <@bz> yay
# [18:36] <@bz> " You do not have permissions to view this page - please try logging in."
# [18:36] <@bz> says the warning
# [18:36] <@bz> I _am_ logged in
# [18:36] <@bz> and see an editor
# [18:36] * @bz ignores warning, presses on
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# [18:37] <sheppy> Yes, ignore the warning.
# [18:37] <sheppy> It's another lame-ass MindTouch piece of bogusness.
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# [18:37] <@bz> I sense frustration
# [18:37] <@bz> Tell me more.
# [18:37] <jhammel> sheppy: what will the new wiki be?
# [18:37] * froydnj must be missing something in trying to hack on this mochitest thing
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# [18:37] <Ms2ger> jhammel, in-house
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# [18:38] <jhammel> Ms2ger: for once that answer actually makes me happy
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# [18:38] <Ms2ger> Denied
# [18:38] <froydnj> "when did you stop beating your wiki?"
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# [18:38] <sheppy> jhammel: Yeah, we're building the new Kuma wiki in-house.
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# [18:38] <Ms2ger> froydnj, what makes you think I did?
# [18:38] * @bz links to the TR WebIDL
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# [18:38] <jhammel> since for some unknown reason all existing wikis seem mostly awful
# [18:38] <Ms2ger> OBJECTION
# [18:39] <sheppy> It should launch on July 15 or sooner. If it's later, there will be significant hell to pay :)
# [18:39] <@bz> Ms2ger: ;)
# [18:39] <@bz> hmm
# [18:39] <jhammel> sheppy: anywhere i can go to see what it will be like?
# [18:39] <@bz> so how do I make the link text not be the url?
# [18:39] <sheppy> jhammel: sec
# [18:39] <Ms2ger> bz, select and type?
# [18:40] <sheppy> bz: type text, select it, click the link button in the toolbar (or hit ctrl-K), then fill out the URL.
# [18:40] <@bz> Aha
# [18:40] <@bz> I see
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# [18:40] <sheppy> :)
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# [18:42] <sheppy> jhammel: https://developer-dev.allizom.org/ is the new site, but it's down at the moment.
# [18:42] <sheppy> That's the bleeding edge version.
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# [18:42] <jhammel> sheppy: thanks
# [18:42] <sheppy> It will look pretty similar to what we have now, but it's the new wiki platform.
# [18:42] <jhammel> sheppy: will it have the awesomeness of multiple editors being able to work simultaneously?
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# [18:43] <sheppy> jhammel: should yes.
# [18:43] <jhammel> nice
# [18:43] <sheppy> Also has some slick localization tools etc. It's going to be nice, although some stuff is going to be added over time, since we're sorta rushing to get it launched before our MindTouch license expires in 26 days. :)
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# [18:44] <froydnj> I love how dump() works, but dumpn() is conditionalized on some weird debugging variable
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# [18:47] <jhammel> sheppy: heh
# [18:47] <jhammel> well, i can't stand any of our existing wikis so i'll be glad to see some love there
# [18:47] <sheppy> jhammel: and yeah, I call out that countdown pretty much daily to our dev team :)
# [18:47] <jhammel> sadly i like MDN better than probably all of the others
# [18:48] <jhammel> (or maybe not that sadly)
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# [18:49] <sheppy> jhammel: fwiw, you can also see the new system at https://developer-new.mozilla.org/en-US/ but be careful with it; that's the actual site that will be our live site once we launch, so edits made there will be for real. :)
# [18:50] <sheppy> So no replacing content with "WOO TESTING HOT NEW WIKI SWEETNESS BIATCH!"
# [18:50] <jhammel> but what if that's the content i was going to put on a page?!? ;)
# [18:50] <sheppy> :)
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# [18:51] <sheppy> Well, if you're documenting nsINewWikiHotnessBiatch, go for it.
# [18:51] <jhammel> and i am ;)
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# [18:52] <jhammel> i notice the search results link to existing MDN
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# [18:52] <jhammel> https://developer-new.mozilla.org/en-US/search?q=testing
# [18:52] <sheppy> jhammel: yeah
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# [18:53] <froydnj> why is TEST_PATH=$DIR not working with mochitest?
# [18:53] <Ms2ger> It does
# [18:54] <sheppy> We have cronjobs running to copy changes from the current site to developer-new every few minutes, so it stays up to date, but changes made on the new wiki will be there on production after the switch.
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# [18:54] <froydnj> I wish I knew why it wasn't for me, then
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# [18:56] <sheppy> I just type "Note:" in bold, write my note, then choose "Note" from the style popup in the header.
# [18:56] <sheppy> (header->toolbar)
# [18:57] <@bz> aha
# [18:57] <@bz> the place where it says None
# [18:57] <@bz> ok
# [18:57] <sheppy> Yeah
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# [18:58] <froydnj> Ms2ger: TEST_PATH=content/events/ make mochitest-1 works for you?
# [18:58] <Ms2ger> <p class=note>Blah
# [18:58] <Ms2ger> froydnj, with s/1/plain/, it definitely does
# [18:58] <Ms2ger> Want me to test -1?
# [18:58] <froydnj> if you would be so kind, yes
# [18:59] <@khuey|caltrain> uh
# [18:59] <@khuey|caltrain> mochitest-1 implies a set of tests
# [18:59] <@khuey|caltrain> so it's not surprising that it ignores TEST_PATH
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# [18:59] <Ms2ger> mochitest-1 failed:
# [18:59] <Ms2ger> 2 ERROR TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | (SimpleTest/TestRunner.js) | No checks actually run.
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# [19:00] <sheppy> jhammel: we have an ongoing test on the new wiki; see https://wiki.mozilla.org/MDN/Kuma/Test_14-24_June_2012
# [19:00] <Ms2ger> So, if I hit an NS_ASSERTION after
# [19:00] <Ms2ger> INFO | runtests.py | Server pid: 31047
# [19:00] <Ms2ger> how do I catch that in gdb?
# [19:00] <jhammel> sheppy: thanks
# [19:01] <froydnj> Ms2ger: hum, I guess khuey has a point
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# [19:02] <mbrubeck> edmorley: review ping for bug 764460 -- no hurry, just want to check if you are comfortable reviewing this code, or if there are any patches I should push to mstange or someone.
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# [19:03] <edmorley> mbrubeck: ah yes sorry, I wanted to test locally and hadn't fired vagrant up yet, I'll do that now (although it may still be good to get mstange to review, since I'm not a peer or anything)
# [19:04] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I can fix that? :)
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# [19:04] <edmorley> Ms2ger: :P
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# [19:04] <mbrubeck> I don't think there *is* any documented TBPL module ownership...
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# [19:05] <mbrubeck> I vote for "you touch it, you're a peer" like we do for the mobile front-end code. ;)
# [19:06] <edmorley> heh
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# [19:07] <@bz> $%^$%^&^%&%^&^%
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# [19:07] <@bz> nothing like browser crashes to break up your editing
# [19:07] * @bz bets money session restore won't work right for devmo
# [19:07] <mbrubeck> edmorley: By the way, for local testing of cancelling builds, I just commented out the line that actually submits the BuildAPI request...
# [19:08] <@bz> sheppy: does devmo autosave as you edit?
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# [19:08] <@bz> sheppy: if so, can that be recovered?
# [19:08] <sheppy> bz: Yes; if you re-open the editor on a page you'd been editing after a crash or whatever, it will ask if you want to work with your last autosave or the current page contents.
# [19:08] <sheppy> bz: I have not however figured out yet how often it autosaves. It seems random to me :)
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# [19:10] * @bz is not getting that asking....
# [19:11] <@bz> ah, well
# [19:11] <@bz> I guess I get to rewrite all this
# [19:11] <Ms2ger> Write it out in emacs first :)
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# [19:11] <Jesse> bz: was it an editor crash?
# [19:11] <@bz> mozilla::Selection::AddItem
# [19:11] <Jesse> i'll take that as a yes
# [19:11] * @bz looks at Aryeh
# [19:11] <@bz> null-deref
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# [19:12] <@bz> but this stuff null-checks everything, at first glance
# [19:12] <@bz> wtf?
# [19:13] <@bz> whatever
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# [19:13] <Ms2ger> It null-checks all uses of aOutIndex except the one on the penultimate line
# [19:13] <Ms2ger> Looks suspicious to me
# [19:13] <@bz> mmm
# [19:13] <@bz> could be!
# [19:13] <@bz> crash report did not say _where_ the crash was
# [19:13] <@bz> just the function name
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> And blame goes to...
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> graememcc!
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# [19:14] * Ms2ger did not see that coming
# [19:14] <@bz> Ms2ger: can you file, please?
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [19:14] <Ms2ger> Patch landed September 09
# [19:14] <@bz> mmm
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# [19:15] <Jesse> i bet my fuzzer missed it because my fuzzer tests execCommand but not the other things you can do with the keyboard
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# [19:15] * @bz was double-clicking some text
# [19:15] <@bz> to mark it as <code>
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> And timeless had fixed another occurrence in August
# [19:17] * timeless looks up
# [19:17] <Jesse> i'm scared to synthesize clicks and keys because i don't want the fuzzer escalating privilege
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# [19:17] <Ms2ger> timeless, someone regressed bug 506645 a month after you landed it
# [19:17] <timeless> clever
# [19:17] <Jesse> isn't that a standard thing for static analysis to check? "you null-checked this thing here but not there"
# [19:17] <timeless> yes
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# [19:17] <@bz> I do wish I could save without exiting editing mode
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# [19:18] <timeless> Coverity does that
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# [19:18] <timeless> in fact
# [19:18] <timeless> that bug has a coverity keyword
# [19:18] <timeless> and based on bug activity, it was there when i filed it, which means i was filing based on coverity
# [19:19] <Jesse> so i guess we haven't been using coverity since a month after that
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# [19:19] <Ms2ger> s/we/you/ :)
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# [19:19] <timeless> more or less
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# [19:19] <timeless> nokia was using a branch of mozilla
# [19:20] <@bz> ^$^%$^%$^$%
# [19:20] <@bz> again
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# [19:20] <Ms2ger> Yes :)
# [19:20] <edmorley> mbrubeck: I was going to test it quickly now before dinner, but there are conflicts, so I'll either take a look later this evening, or tomorrow morning if that's ok? :-)
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# [19:20] <mbrubeck> no problem
# [19:20] <mbrubeck> edmorley: We've lived with this bug for N years; it can wait another few days. :)
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# [19:22] <edmorley> :-)
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# [19:23] <@bz> the weird part is that it seems pretty random
# [19:23] <@bz> the crash
# [19:23] <@bz> just once I double-click enough things
# [19:23] <timeless> Jesse: someone this quarter mentioned they were going to try to get coverity happy again
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# [19:24] <timeless> (coverity being scan.coverity as opposed to nokia's coverity instance which was happy)
# [19:24] <@bz> sheppy: there's no way to save without exiting edit mode?
# [19:24] <Jesse> bz: did you repro the crash?
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# [19:25] <@bz> Jesse: twice now
# [19:25] <@bz> Jesse: if I just double-click some it happens
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> bz, you can save from html mode, no?
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# [19:25] <@bz> Ms2ger: yes, but then I have to do a lot more typing....
# [19:25] <@bz> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-1155ec72-4b79-417f-a8fb-c28ba2120619
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# [19:26] <sheppy> bz: On the current wiki, no.
# [19:26] <sheppy> Th
# [19:26] <@bz> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-01a761f2-1c79-41f1-9387-730e82120619
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# [19:26] <sheppy> The new ones does have "Save and continue editing" though.
# [19:26] <sheppy> One of our most-wanted features.
# [19:26] <timeless> Last Crash 13.0 minutes before submission
# [19:26] <timeless> Install Age 12.8 minutes since version was first installed.
# [19:26] <@bz> ok
# [19:26] <timeless> bz: that's cute ^
# [19:26] <@bz> heh
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# [19:27] <BenWa> ehsan: Hard coded array size?
# [19:28] <BenWa> for tagBuff?
# [19:28] <@ehsan> BenWa: for a bunch of stuff, grep your patch for 1023 and 1024 ;)
# [19:28] <BenWa> you mean use a define/
# [19:29] <timeless> Ms2ger: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/default/layout/generic/nsSelection.cpp#l4016
# [19:29] <timeless> Ms2ger: any idea why it's checking iter instead of inneriter?
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# [19:30] <Ms2ger> Fun
# [19:30] <timeless> (really there should be no need to check iter or inneriter, since doCI should always fail if it returns null)
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# [19:31] <timeless> i claim the null check should be removed
# [19:32] <timeless> but no, i'm not filing a bug :)
# [19:32] <timeless> i filed 3 or so this morning against internal bugzilla :)
# [19:32] <Ms2ger> I claim you can shut up, then ;)
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# [19:32] <timeless> you can keep your inefficiencies, we'll ship webkit ;-b
# [19:33] <timeless> but seriously, at some point i'd like to see if i could package some flavor of gecko for playbook
# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> crap, did I just push rebased m-c to inbound?
# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> crapcrap
# [19:33] <timeless> i think i probably want a version of gecko that works more or less like anya did and as a subprocess thing
# [19:33] <@bsmedberg> crap
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# [19:35] <timeless> bsmedberg: out of curiosity, what were you trying to do?
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# [19:36] <@ehsan> BenWa: or even better, a static const
# [19:36] <@bsmedberg> timeless: I just typed `hg pull --rebase` with my patches applied
# [19:36] <@ehsan> espindola: can I see your patch?
# [19:36] <@bsmedberg> timeless: and then realized that I meant to do it against inbound, so I `hg pull inbound --rebase`
# [19:36] <@bsmedberg> meaning only to rebase the patches, but it rebased everything instead
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# [19:36] <timeless> ah
# [19:36] <timeless> yeah, hrm
# [19:36] <timeless> o
# [19:36] <timeless> so
# [19:36] <timeless> in theory if you were using phases and a modern version of mercurial
# [19:37] <timeless> it /might/ have stopped you
# [19:37] <timeless> /maybe/
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# [19:37] <timeless> because rebase would probably have complained about trying to change the phase of the m-c bits
# [19:37] <timeless> although... i'm not sure if it would
# [19:37] <timeless> it depends on whether rebase thinks that you wanted to do a backport/graft
# [19:38] <timeless> in which case it probably wouldn't complain :(
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# [19:39] <froydnj> lovely, segfault in xvfb-run
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# [19:40] <timeless> http://blackberry-webworks.github.com/WebWorks-API-Docs/
# [19:40] <timeless> Ms2ger: ^
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# [19:41] <Ms2ger> Pff, git
# [19:41] <jhammel> Ms2ger++
# [19:41] <@khuey> man
# [19:41] <@khuey> Pike++
# [19:42] <timeless> Ms2ger: i agree
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# [19:42] <timeless> of course, now i need to find the owner of this page
# [19:42] <timeless> and that's not easy
# [19:42] <Ms2ger> You do?
# [19:42] <Wes> timeless: heh, investigating WebWorks is actually on my to-do list this month
# [19:42] <Ms2ger> Oh, I guess you work for them
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# [19:42] <timeless> Wes: yeah
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# [19:43] <timeless> Ms2ger: well, we have a common employer is a more accurate statement
# [19:43] <bdahl> anyone know what causes make[4]: *** [libs_tier_platform] Error 2?
# [19:43] <espindola> ehsan, sure, one sec
# [19:44] <biesi> bdahl, there should be a "real" error message above
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# [19:44] <espindola> ehsan, http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-commits/Week-of-Mon-20120618/059199.html
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# [19:46] <Ms2ger> timeless, what's the assignment to "handler" for at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/events/src/nsEventListenerManager.cpp#1030 ?
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# [19:47] <@ehsan> espindola: nice!
# [19:47] <@bz> goodamit
# [19:47] <@bz> this crash is making this pretty much impossible to edit
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# [19:47] <@bz> sheppy: hm
# [19:48] <timeless> Ms2ger: do you mean me or bz?
# [19:48] <@bz> sheppy: are drafts only saved for full-page edit?
# [19:48] <@bz> sheppy: not per-section edits?
# [19:48] <@ehsan> espindola: thanks for the patch!
# [19:48] <bdahl> biesi: thx, the error was 500 lines up in the console
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# [19:48] <@ehsan> espindola: do you think I should hold on doing the m-c change?
# [19:48] <@bz> Ms2ger: ah, in the new world with the unconditional wrapvalue?
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# [19:49] <@ehsan> espindola: (I mean I can probably avoid the cast too, but this sort of scares me)
# [19:49] <biesi> bdahl, heh. that can happen, especially when you use a parallel build (-jN)
# [19:49] <espindola> ehsan, np. I think it is incomplete in funky cases like virtual inheritance, but lets see what the reviews say
# [19:49] <@bz> Ms2ger: totally not needed
# [19:49] <@ehsan> cool
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# [19:49] <espindola> ehsan, if you can hold it until it is committed that would be nice
# [19:49] <sheppy> bz: should save per-section; they do for me...
# [19:49] <espindola> but if it is blocking you, go for it.
# [19:49] <@ehsan> espindola: yep, will do
# [19:49] <nemo> http://www.legoturingmachine.org/ - ok. Am I the only one unable to do ctrl-pageup/ctrl-pagedown/ctrl-t etc on this site w/ javascript enabled.
# [19:49] <bdahl> biesi: anyway to make it die sooner without turning off parallel builds?
# [19:50] <espindola> ehsan, thanks
# [19:50] <@ehsan> espindola: no, nothing too serious
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# [19:50] <espindola> and thanks for the bug report!
# [19:50] <nemo> I can be hitting ctrl-pageup through all my tabs, and then I hit this tab and stall. one more reason to install noscript on my test profile as well
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# [19:55] <Sam> Hello! I'm a guy who can code well, I'm in college, have mostly done work related to web development, have worked on MVC model, but am completely clueless about everything else. I found the Thunderbird project of mozilla interesting. Can anyone give me any kind of guidance?
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# [19:55] <espindola> rail-buildduty, has the old clang package been removed alreadyL
# [19:55] <espindola> ?
# [19:55] <@bsmedberg> Sam: interesting in that "I want to help write code" sort of way? You probably want the #introduction channel first
# [19:55] <@smaug> Sam: did you try #introduction ?
# [19:56] <@bsmedberg> there are people there specifically to help newcomers get started.
# [19:56] <Sam> not yet!
# [19:56] <Sam> thanks!
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# [19:57] <Sam> Sorry to bother, but how do I get there?
# [19:57] <@bz> hmm
# [19:57] <rail-buildduty> espindola: on mac - yes, pkgdmg removes old one if the name matches (not files name) :/
# [19:57] <@bz> how do I link to a different section of the same document?
# [19:57] * @bz experiments
# [19:57] <espindola> rail-buildduty, gah
# [19:57] <espindola> rail-buildduty, that can be fixed with tooltool?
# [19:57] <@bsmedberg> bz: #foo ?
# [19:57] <Sam> Hey, how do I get to the #introduction channel?
# [19:57] <rail-buildduty> espindola: yes
# [19:58] <espindola> for the next upgrade, for this one linux will do for testing if we have a regression
# [19:58] <espindola> rail-buildduty, awesome
# [19:58] <Mook_as> Sam: try /join #introduction
# [19:58] <@bsmedberg> Sam: depends on your client, but /join #introduction usually works
# [19:58] <Sam> alright, Thanks! I'm using HydraIRC
# [19:58] <Sam> Worked!
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# [19:58] <Sam> Thanks. :)
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# [20:00] <rail-buildduty> espindola: if you take a look at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=12792533&tree=Firefox&full=1 and search for tooltool.py step (and some following) you can see how it works
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# [20:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/47e5c4fe2bb0 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 765227 - Avoid attempting to update the maintenance service when an update is being staged; r=bbondy
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# [20:02] <NeilAway> anyone got any good ideas for doing arbitrary textual replacement on a file in the srcdir to generate a file in dist?
# [20:03] <rail-buildduty> espindola: it's pretty simple, tooltool fetches the files mentioned in the manifest (http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/47e5c4fe2bb0/b2g/config/tooltool-manifests/releng.manifest) and runs setup.sh to unpack and setup your toolchain
# [20:03] <glandium> i wish it was possible to conveniently wrap unsized arrays in c++
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# [20:03] <@bsmedberg> NeilAway: other than using the python preprocessor?
# [20:04] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: this is an arbitrary file, so it doesn't have the thing I want to replace as a @@STRING@@
# [20:04] <@bsmedberg> NeilAway: I'd probably recommend running it through a custom-built python something-or-another then
# [20:05] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: fair enough
# [20:05] * @bsmedberg is a bit interested to see why we need to do this
# [20:05] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: you don't
# [20:05] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: I do ;-)
# [20:05] <@bsmedberg> yeah ok! ;-)
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# [20:09] <davidb> i try
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# [20:10] <beltzner> Bas: any chance that the fix from bug 759036 could be causing really slow rendering on Windows (with an admittedly older NVIDIA driver)
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# [20:11] <beltzner> I get good performance on the June 13th nightly, and really unusable performance on the June 14th
# [20:11] <beltzner> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=880f30ecdf6b&tochange=983b91e5aa17 is the resulting regression range
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# [20:11] <Ms2ger> beltzner, I've heard that before...
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# [20:11] <Ms2ger> From khuey, I think
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# [20:13] <glandium> I think we can say there's a massive fail involved here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172#c8
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# [20:14] <joe> beltzner: not from my reading of that patch
# [20:14] <froydnj> glandium: nothing that can't be fixed with a bit of preprocessor hacking :)
# [20:15] <joe> but
# [20:15] <joe> i don't see a better candidate
# [20:15] <beltzner> yeah, me neither
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# [20:15] <beltzner> I'm also not sure there's an easy local backout to be done
# [20:16] <joe> no
# [20:16] <joe> but
# [20:16] <beltzner> I'd happily test such a build, though
# [20:16] <joe> I can make you a try build
# [20:16] <beltzner> that'd be awesome
# [20:16] <glandium> froydnj: not sure what you're thinking about
# [20:16] <joe> beltzner: nick cameron = nrc
# [20:16] <@khuey> beltzner: I have a theory about this
# [20:16] <@khuey> beltzner: but it has nothing to do with gfx
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# [20:16] <joe> beltzner: just fyi. he's in auckland
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# [20:16] <@khuey> beltzner: also I've seen this slowness on an intel card
# [20:17] <beltzner> khuey: at this point we should probably file a bug, yeah?
# [20:17] <beltzner> I can take a quick video showing what the effect is, sec
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# [20:18] <@khuey> beltzner: yeah, would help
# [20:18] <tbsaunde> froydnj: if you thinking of expandos we already did that, but nobody remembered that map existed
# [20:19] <tbsaunde> glandium: that is a bad fail, and I'll admitt ignorance of that array
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# [20:21] <glandium> tbsaunde: you're not alone apparently. two more pair of eyes were involved in the 5 bugs
# [20:21] <joe> beltzner: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f0d3a66a0b5f
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# [20:23] <froydnj> tbsaunde: I don't think I have ever heard them called expandos, but I think we are thinking along the same lines
# [20:23] <beltzner> khuey: encoding ...
# [20:24] <glandium> tbsaunde: and indeed, expanding the expandos to this array would solve the problem.
# [20:24] <tbsaunde> froydnj: #define FOO() #include FooList.h ?
# [20:24] <tbsaunde> glandium: yes, was about to comment saying we should do that :)
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# [20:24] <froydnj> tbsaunde: yes
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# [20:25] <tbsaunde> but I wouldn't object to a quick patch adding to the array and we can find some contributor to deal with the expando stuff
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# [20:26] <tbsaunde> I'm actually pretty suprsied that never broke anything...
# [20:26] <beltzner> khuey: ok, this is strange
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# [20:26] <beltzner> khuey: in making the video I installed the june 14th build alongside the june 13th build
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# [20:26] <beltzner> run the 13th build, all's fine
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# [20:27] <beltzner> run the 14th build, all's busted
# [20:27] <glandium> tbsaunde: it probably did, randomly
# [20:27] <beltzner> then I went back to running the 13th build, and it's busted
# [20:27] <glandium> tbsaunde: since that depends on what is placed after the array
# [20:27] <beltzner> I then re-ran the installer for the 13th build, and it's all fine again
# [20:27] <beltzner> wtf?
# [20:27] <gcp> is Apache license 2.0 stuff acceptable for us?
# [20:27] <@smaug> gerv: ^
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# [20:27] <glandium> tbsaunde: i can provide a patch for both, but i need to know what the values should be
# [20:27] <beltzner> run the 14th build, all's busted ...
# [20:28] <beltzner> run the 13th build, all's fine!
# [20:28] <beltzner> so ... it's something the installer is doing?
# [20:28] <derf> gcp: http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/license-policy.html
# [20:28] <tbsaunde> glandium: up to you, I can try and figure that out, but I don't know off hand
# [20:28] <gcp> compatible, ok
# [20:28] <derf> "Licenses Compatible with the MPL
# [20:29] <derf> Apache 2.0"
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# [20:29] <tbsaunde> glandium: by which I mean I need to go reverse engineer that code :|
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# [20:30] <Ms2ger> gcp, but always r? gerv
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# [20:30] <gavin> beltzner: hrm, there is update stuff in that range
# [20:30] <gavin> though you're not updating in these tests, right?
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# [20:31] <beltzner> nope, just using the installer
# [20:31] <@dolske> dholbert: ooc, why land flexbox on UX?
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# [20:34] <dholbert> dolske, so it can get some testing while it awaits / undergoes review. (and fryn wants to play with it and gave his blessing for it being on ux branch)
# [20:35] <@dolske> fair enough, just curious.
# [20:35] <dholbert> dolske, (& stuff doesn't need review to land on ux branch, since that never gets merged directly into m-c)
# [20:35] <dholbert> yup!
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> dholbert, so what's the testing situation in the official test suite?
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# [20:36] <dholbert> Ms2ger, what official test suite? :)
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> I see
# [20:36] <dholbert> Ms2ger, the property names only just stopped changing
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> Would you bet money on that?
# [20:37] <dholbert> Ms2ger, haha. I probably would... Hopefully LC means no changes of that size anymore
# [20:37] * dholbert doesn't want to have to run regexes on all his reftests again
# [20:37] <Callek> Bas: yea I saw, thanks for your help!
# [20:38] <dholbert> Ms2ger, fantasai would know more about any plans for an official test suite, I think
# [20:38] <Ms2ger> So, are you going to submit those tests? :)
# [20:38] <dholbert> Ms2ger, sure! :)
# [20:38] <Ms2ger> Also...
# [20:38] <Ms2ger> You mentioned regexes
# [20:39] <dholbert> so I did
# [20:39] <Ms2ger> Would you be interested in running a couple to unprefix transforms? :)
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# [20:39] <dholbert> not at the moment. :) at some point though
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> Alright, then I'm going to try to get this patch past dbaron :)
# [20:40] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Do you have an example of what a windows crash report looks like now that we have the debugbreak call in MOZ_CRASH?
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# [20:40] <glandium> tbsaunde: the possible values are there, with some explanation http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/base/nsTextEquivUtils.h#19
# [20:41] <glandium> jlebar: is it already in a nightly?
# [20:41] <jlebar> glandium, It landed yesterday, so I guess so, but we may not have any crash reports in hand...
# [20:42] <@bsmedberg> I don't see any matching crashes yet
# [20:42] <@bsmedberg> still early in the day though
# [20:43] <tbsaunde> glandium: yeah, I know about to comment with my best guess
# [20:43] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Firefox&version=ALL%3AALL&platform=windows&range_value=1&range_unit=days&date=&query_search=signature&query_type=contains&query=&reason=EXCEPTION_BREAKPOINT&build_id=20120619030538&process_type=any&hang_type=crash&do_query=1 is the query I think would return results
# [20:44] <jlebar> bsmedberg, thanks!
# [20:45] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: what did I do this time?
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> MOZ_FINAL
# [20:46] <glandium> tbsaunde: thanks
# [20:47] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: and why are you cursing me? for making the code better?
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> Merge pain
# [20:47] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: well, you're welcome :P
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# [20:48] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: it's technically your fault for not landing on inbound ;)
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# [20:48] <@ehsan> otherwise this would have been my problem
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# [20:50] <@smaug> imelven: ping
# [20:51] <tbsaunde> glandium: there you go :)
# [20:51] <glandium> tbsaunde: thanks
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# [20:52] <glandium> tbsaunde: who could give a final answer for ROLE_NOTE and ROLE_FIGURE?
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# [20:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a84944a6727f - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 766206 - Workaround to get Marionette working on B2G again, r=mdas, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
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# [20:55] <tbsaunde> glandium: davidb if he has a minute, but I think I'd probably be willing to take either and file a follow
# [20:55] <tbsaunde> up
# [20:55] <tbsaunde> since defined but wrong seems better than random
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# [20:55] <glandium> tbsaunde: true
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# [20:57] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Would you be in favor of annotating the jemalloc assertions with an identifier, so instead of doing *(0) = 123; they did *(x) = 123, so it's easier to tell which assert tripped? Or is disassembling easy enough?
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# [20:58] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: disassembling for individual crashes is probably good enough for now
# [20:58] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Okay.
# [20:58] <@bsmedberg> if we really need to classify them more, there are some tricks we can apply
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# [20:58] <jlebar> bsmedberg, like what?
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# [20:59] <@bsmedberg> for small volumes, you can just bucket them by assembly offset into the function
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# [21:10] <Bas> beltzner: It's one of those things where it's hard to say for sure. But it seems -extremely- unlikely.
# [21:10] <Bas> beltzner: Could it just be Azure-content in general?
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# [21:11] <glandium> tbsaunde: you've got some reviews to do ;)
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# [21:11] <beltzner> Bas: ... maybe?
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# [21:11] <beltzner> I took a screencap, sec
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# [21:12] <tbsaunde> glandium: yup, was already looking
# [21:12] <beltzner> Bas: http://beltzner.ca/display-bug.webm
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# [21:13] <Jesse> AryehGregor: i've taught the fuzzer how to set the selection position explicitly. that's giving me more bugs and less fragile testcases :)
# [21:13] <Ms2ger> Jesse++
# [21:14] <Jesse> AryehGregor: but i'll still get the fragile kinds of testcases sometimes
# [21:14] <Jesse> how can i convert those to set the selection explicitly?
# [21:14] <Jesse> like in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766025, how would i go about learning where the selection is supposed to be?
# [21:15] <Jesse> (iirc, the main reason that one is .xhtml is that it needs a <select> outside the <body>, btw)
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# [21:16] <beltzner> Bas: so, yeah, if that looks like an Azure content issue ... guess so? I just have that effect and a regression range :)
# [21:17] <Jesse> btw, i have 5 more editor bugs to make reduced testcases for today: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667991
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# [21:23] <Bas> beltzner: Just switch gfx.canvas.azure.enabled :)
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# [21:24] <Bas> If life is better with it set to false. Then I'm a sad panda and will need to figure out what's going on :)
# [21:24] <glandium> tbsaunde: thanks a bunch. I'll land tomorrow morning (being in france, this will be soon enough for it to be in next nightly)
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# [21:24] <Bas> beltzner: The pref isn't 'fully live' fwiw so a restart is a good idea there.
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# [21:25] <tbsaunde> glandium: ok, I'd strongly advise doing a try run
# [21:25] <glandium> tbsaunde: i'm doing one with 616262
# [21:25] <tbsaunde> name computation stuff which that will effect is really complicated, though I'm not sure we actually have tests for all those roles
# [21:25] <glandium> tbsaunde: although i only enabled mochitest-oth, arguably, this is enough, right?
# [21:25] <tbsaunde> glandium: ok, sounds good thanks!
# [21:26] <beltzner> Bas: is that the default?
# [21:26] <tbsaunde> glandium: to test a11y yes
# [21:26] <beltzner> I've tried with a new profile and still got no joy ...
# [21:26] <tbsaunde> a11y *shouldn't* be on in any other test suit
# [21:26] <Bas> beltzner: No, true is the default :)
# [21:26] <Bas> beltzner You want to change it to false! :)
# [21:26] <gregglind> who is working on firefox push notifications?
# [21:26] <graememcc> Ms2ger: sorry, wasn't watching Chatzilla
# [21:27] <Ms2ger> You got bugmail :)
# [21:27] <beltzner> Bas: no joy
# [21:27] <beltzner> you're safe!
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# [21:28] <beltzner> khuey|away: ^
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# [21:29] <graememcc> Ugh. *That* code
# [21:29] <gregglind> also, how is working with fixing the 'help' menu, if anyone?
# [21:29] <armenzg> jimm: are you around?
# [21:29] <jimm> armenzg: hey!
# [21:29] <armenzg> jimm: I am trying to use this http://hg.mozilla.org/users/armenzg_mozilla.com/elm/file/default/build/win32/mozconfig.vs2011-win64
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# [21:30] <jimm> ok
# [21:30] <armenzg> configure: error: $(CC) test failed. You must have MS VC++ in your path to buil
# [21:30] <armenzg> d.
# [21:30] <armenzg> *** Fix above errors and then restart with "make -f client.mk buil
# [21:30] <armenzg> d"
# [21:30] <armenzg> make[2]: *** [configure] Error 1
# [21:31] <armenzg> jimm: but I get that ^
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# [21:32] <Bas> beltzner: Hrm, it's hard to say if gfx could still be at fault without a profile, but yeah, 'for now' :)
# [21:32] <Bas> beltzner: Fwiw is the CPU saturated when this stuff is going on?
# [21:32] <armenzg> jimm: this is the PATH I get just before the failure http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667996
# [21:32] <beltzner> Bas: nope
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# [21:33] <jimm> armenzg: did your install end up in the /program files (x86)/ folder?
# [21:33] <Bas> beltzner: Yeah, that looks like more some other kind of blockage or refresh driving issue or something like that then :s
# [21:33] <armenzg> I tried uninstalling/repairing as best as possible
# [21:34] <armenzg> jimm: yes, after uninstalling VS11 beta
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# [21:34] <armenzg> and re-installing VS12 RC
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# [21:34] <armenzg> it's been a day of not making progress :(
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# [21:35] <jimm> armenzg: do you have command line access to the machine?
# [21:35] <armenzg> jimm: I do
# [21:36] <jimm> armenzg: in the shell you would be building with, can you try typing cl (return)
# [21:36] <armenzg> jimm: http://cl.ly/HVN0
# [21:36] <jimm> ah that's good
# [21:37] <jimm> armenzg: can you pastebin the full make configure output?
# [21:38] <jimm> armenzg: oh, wait a minute, you are typeing that in the location of the compiler bin
# [21:38] <jimm> can you try entering cl from say c:\?
# [21:38] <armenzg> jimm: it is not recognized
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# [21:39] <armenzg> jimm: FTR the path that we use for buildbot is something similar to start-msvs9.bat and that is why we set the parameters through the mozconfig
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# [21:40] <jimm> armenzg: that console is a bash console the builder would use to do the automated build right?
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# [21:41] <armenzg> jimm: we use something called start-buildbot.bat which is pretty much the same as start-msvs9.bat
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# [21:41] <jimm> ok
# [21:41] <armenzg> jimm: after I start "start-msvs9.bat" (which is similar to start-buildbot.bat) and I type "cl" this is what I get http://cl.ly/HUed
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# [21:42] <jimm> armenzg: so one oddity here is you have the both the x86 and amd64 VC/BIN folders in your search path
# [21:43] <jimm> according to this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1667996
# [21:43] <jimm> armenzg: in fact you have a mixture of vs11 and vs 9 paths in here
# [21:44] <armenzg> jimm: yeah because we start with something like msvs9.bat then we set the PATH on the mozconfigs by appending the old path
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# [21:44] <armenzg> jimm: I did this to make it easier http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1668003
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# [21:45] <jimm> hmm, ok, well as long at the vs11 paths are first in the list I think it *might* be ok.
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# [21:46] <imelven> smaug: pong
# [21:47] <jimm> armenzg: can you pastebin make configure output?
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# [21:48] <armenzg> jimm: sure
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# [21:48] <armenzg> jimm: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1668010
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# [21:49] <armenzg> I might have to run it with $1>2 (I think)
# [21:49] <imelven> smaug: i see your review comments
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# [21:50] <jimm> hmm, this isn't a problem with cl being found, that's successful farther up.
# [21:50] <@smaug> imelven: yes. Seems like something isn't tested
# [21:50] <@smaug> imelven: is the idea to handle allow-popups in a followup?
# [21:51] <imelven> smaug: yes, re allow-popups
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# [21:51] <imelven> and also the automatic features stuff
# [21:51] <imelven> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752551
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# [21:51] <imelven> i thought i filed a followup for allow-popups as well but i guess not
# [21:51] <jimm> armenzg: can you type "makepri" to see if it find that command, that's the next check.
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# [21:51] <@smaug> ok, well, fix the if-else-if
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# [21:51] <armenzg> jimm: command not found
# [21:52] <@smaug> and I'll continue reviewing after that
# [21:52] <jimm> hmm
# [21:52] <armenzg> I had this working with VS11 beta and now I am all messed up
# [21:53] <imelven> smaug: what's the fix there ? don't bother with removing the automatic features restriction until we actually have some restrictions ?
# [21:53] <jimm> armenzg: should be in /c/Program Files (x86)/Windows Kits/8.0/bin/x86/makepri.exe
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# [21:54] <armenzg> jimm: I can reach it
# [21:54] <armenzg> but it is not in the PATH
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# [21:54] <jimm> armenzg: you have that here in line 5 and few other - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1668003
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# [21:55] <imelven> smaug: oh, i see allow-popups made it into the spec - i thought it was still under discussion
# [21:55] <armenzg> jimm: that is the output from within "make configure"
# [21:55] <@smaug> imelven: you handle allow-scripts twice in the if-else-if
# [21:55] <armenzg> jimm: we append the PATH from line 21 and on
# [21:55] <Standard8> do test-only fixes require approvals on mozilla-aurora?
# [21:56] <@smaug> imelven: I assume the first one is wrong
# [21:56] <Ms2ger> imelven, those two are not mutually exclusive :)
# [21:56] <imelven> smaug: oh duh - for some reason i couldnt see that - yes, thank you for catching that
# [21:56] <jimm> armenzg: I'm sorry, I don't understand, is this your PATH variable? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1668003
# [21:56] <imelven> Ms2ger: indeed, i've heard objections to allow-popups from other mozilla security folks as well :)
# [21:56] <imelven> smaug: thanks for the review, i'll clean that up.
# [21:57] <armenzg> jimm: yes but on our mozconfigs we have 4 export PATH="/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 11.0/Common7/IDE:/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 11.0/VC/BIN:/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 11.0/Common7/Tools:/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 11.0/VC/vcpackages:/c/Program Files (x86)/Windows Kits/8.0/bin/x86:${PATH}"
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# [21:57] <imelven> smaug: and file a follow up for allow-popups actually
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> imelven, I assume those objections are filed as spec bugs?
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# [21:58] <jimm> armenzg: you appear to have it there as well at the end, so it's strange you can't get to it from the command line
# [21:58] <@smaug> imelven: yes, if someone objects allow-popups, make sure spec bugs are filed
# [21:58] <imelven> ok, will do
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# [21:58] <imelven> ill try to get some firm objections from the people i've talked to about it
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# [22:00] <jimm> armenzg: try accessing any exe in that kit/8.0/bin/x86 folder. if you can't something must be configured wrong in your setup.
# [22:00] <armenzg> jimm: not in ${PATH}
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# [22:00] <jimm> ${PATH} would just be the system defaults I would think, and wouldn't have any develop path info in it.
# [22:01] <jimm> s/develop/developer
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# [22:02] <armenzg> jimm: those are the values that get set on PATH after we run start-msvs9.bat
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# [22:02] <armenzg> I will try again tomorrow
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# [22:02] <armenzg> I have a meeting in 7 mins
# [22:03] <armenzg> uninstalling/repairing VS11BETA/VS12RC has messed something up
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# [22:04] <jimm> armenzg: you did a full uninstall of vs11beta first, then a clean install of the rc?
# [22:05] <armenzg> jimm: unfortunately I did not
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# [22:06] <jimm> armenzg: I would suggest uninstalling everything and start over with a fresh rc install. :/
# [22:06] <armenzg_mtg> jimm: I will; thanks for your time
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# [22:18] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: what's the cutover from bucketing to page-size allocations in jemalloc?
# [22:18] <jlebar> bsmedberg, one page.
# [22:18] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Or, I guess, bigger than half a page gets rounded up to one page.
# [22:18] <@bsmedberg> What's that, typically 1k or 4k on windows?
# [22:19] <jlebar> 4k
# [22:19] <jlebar> bsmedberg, But do you mean, does the 4kb allocation get its own call to VirtualAlloc?
# [22:19] <jlebar> bsmedberg, For that, I think not.
# [22:19] <@bsmedberg> I wouldn't think so either
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# [22:19] <@bsmedberg> But I presume that the freelist system is different
# [22:20] <jlebar> bsmedberg, There are basically three systems:
# [22:20] * @bsmedberg doesn't actually know the code that well, other than Jason's verbal explanations from years ago
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# [22:20] <jlebar> bsmedberg, "small" allocations up to 2kb are bucketed.
# [22:21] <jlebar> bsmedberg, "large" allocations up to 1MB - 1 page are allocated using a free list, out of 1mb chunks.
# [22:21] <jlebar> bsmedberg, And "huge" allocations bigger than 1mb get their own VirtualAlloc call.
# [22:21] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: would you like to keep being cc'ed on probable-memcorruption bugs?
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# [22:22] <@bsmedberg> at least the important ones...?
# [22:22] <jlebar> bsmedberg, Hmm. It's probably going to be a distraction from b2g stuff I'm under the gun for. However, I'm more than happy to explain assertions that are being hit, or to try to add more asserts.
# [22:22] <jlebar> ^ that.
# [22:22] <@bsmedberg> ok
# [22:22] * @bsmedberg wonders if somebody else can be conscripted ;-)
# [22:23] <jlebar> glandium, maybe. Not to volunteer him. :)
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# [22:24] <@bsmedberg> memory corruption bugs with one-day regression ranges are a nightmare
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# [22:46] <Ms2ger> philikon, land it
# [22:47] <philikon> Ms2ger: thx... but didn't you get r+ for your patch too?
# [22:47] <philikon> might as well push 'em together
# [22:47] <philikon> i can do that if you want
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# [22:47] <Ms2ger> Nah, I can
# [22:47] <philikon> kk thx
# [22:47] <Ms2ger> Want me to push yours? :)
# [22:47] <philikon> yes please
# [22:48] <Ms2ger> Good
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# [22:55] <derf> bsmedberg: Did you send 764342 through valgrind?
# [22:56] <@bsmedberg> derf: in what way?
# [22:56] <@bsmedberg> well, the short answer is "no"
# [22:56] <@bsmedberg> but without a testcase...
# [22:56] <derf> Oh, this is just from a crash report, I see...
# [22:57] <mbrubeck> bsmedberg: Out of curiousity, will Metro Firefox be Fennec-based?
# [22:58] <derf> bsmedberg: Anyway, I'm pretty confident bug 468275 is not the culprit.
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# [22:58] <derf> If the unpatched code-path there had ever been hit, it would have segfaulted immediately.
# [22:59] <@bsmedberg> mbrubeck: yes, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Windows_8_Integration has the details to start
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# [23:00] <mbrubeck> cool, thanks
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# [23:00] <aja> is there a wiki page for "Junior" yet?
# [23:01] <@bz> aja: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior ? ;)
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# [23:01] * aja has no iPad....just curious
# [23:02] * Ms2ger always loves hearing announcements that Mozilla does stuff for the first time on /.
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# [23:02] <@bsmedberg> it is a little disconcerting ;-)
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# [23:02] <@khuey> Ms2ger: just wait until you hear about the IPO
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# [23:03] <aja> saw a link on Google news (or possibly Yahoo news) last nite
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# [23:03] <@bsmedberg> derf: that does seem reasonably convincing! comment so in the bug?
# [23:03] <@khuey> jhammel: terminations are delivered via rypple
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# [23:03] <Ms2ger> jhammel, I'll be glad to break it to you
# [23:03] <@bsmedberg> and un-cc if you like
# [23:03] <gavin> Ms2ger: "Mozilla" is a lot of things!
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# [23:05] <jdm> Ms2ger: there's an IRC channel, but apparently no wiki page or mailing list
# [23:05] <jhammel> but is there a twitter feed?!?
# [23:05] <Ms2ger> jdm, the kind of thing we call "vapourware" if Microsoft releases it, then
# [23:06] <jhammel> Ms2ger: no we call it "vaporware" since we're Americans
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# [23:06] <Callek> O wait, wtf, "Junior" is really Mozilla??? http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/06/18/0627212/mozilla-shows-off-junior-a-simple-browser-built-for-ipad
# [23:06] <mbrubeck> Since we didn't actually announce it except in a talk that was explicitly presenting "functional product prototypes".... https://air.mozilla.org/product-design-at-mozilla/
# [23:07] <gavin> ...
# [23:07] * Callek is also surprised/bothered that it was basically an unknown to us
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# [23:08] <mbrubeck> It's not enough that the design team shows off exploratory prototype work they've done... they need to warn us *before* they do it or people will complain?
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# [23:08] <@khuey> mbrubeck: duh
# [23:09] <@dolske> if everyone had to know everything before we talked about anything we'd get nothing done!
# [23:09] <jdm> dolske: more meetings!
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# [23:14] <Callek> mbrubeck: an internal memo like "We're investigating being able to ship a Firefox on iPad, heres why" before it goes public, would have been nice, or wide-public everywhere when the work starts ;-)
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# [23:14] <Ms2ger> Callek, on yammer!
# [23:14] <Ms2ger> Or mana!
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# [23:15] <gavin> why do you need an internal memo?
# [23:15] <gavin> why should Mozilla corporation employees know before anyone else?
# [23:15] <Callek> gavin: s/internal// if it suits you
# [23:15] <gavin> if not internal, a memo to whom, then?
# [23:15] <Ms2ger> gavin, tree-management
# [23:15] <Callek> blog/etc.
# [23:15] <Ms2ger> To ensure nobody sees it :)
# [23:15] <gavin> maybe on air mozilla?
# [23:15] <gavin> oh hey, that's what happened!
# [23:15] <jhammel> Ms2ger++ ;)
# [23:15] <Callek> :-P
# [23:16] <mbrubeck> Callek: This *was* an internal presentation, but since it's archived on Air Mozilla now it got more press than we're used to.
# [23:16] <gavin> I don't think there was anything internal about it
# [23:16] <mbrubeck> Callek: I mean, the MV fire alarm goes off in the middle of one of Limi's sentences, for goodness sake.
# [23:16] <mbrubeck> gavin: I mean "internal" in Mozilla terms
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# [23:16] <mbrubeck> in that it was a presentation to the community, rather than a press release or outward-facing blog post.
# [23:16] <mbrubeck> content-wise
# [23:16] <gavin> ah, I see
# [23:17] <Callek> mbrubeck: well, fwiw I didn't know Air Mozilla was meant to be an "product presentation" of any sort, and to keep on top of what new products/environements we are entering, I now have to watch most Air Mozilla presentations?
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# [23:17] <gavin> you need to watch a whole shitload of things to keep on top of what "Mozilla" is doing, yes
# [23:17] <gavin> large project, there is on single firehose
# [23:17] <gavin> get used to it :)
# [23:17] <mbrubeck> Callek: Have you seen the design talk? It's just some exploratory work, similar to the design talk limi gave on Air Mozilla sometime last year or in 2010
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# [23:17] <Ms2ger> gavin, pmo!
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# [23:18] <jhammel> that's probably the closest, sadly
# [23:18] <gavin> pmo nowhere near covers everything that's going on
# [23:18] <gavin> most of the stuff going into m-c isn't discussed on pmo
# [23:18] <Callek> mbrubeck: not yet, --- but really I'm spending too much time on this conversation, when I think fundamentally we agree (too much info to chew on in one place) feeling, its just that we disagree with where those places should be for entirely new products.
# [23:18] <mbrubeck> Callek: And you don't need to watch the talk to learn about stuff; you can read the announcements on dev.planning and see the very useful summary on the air.mo page for the talk.
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# [23:31] <mbrubeck> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Beta&rev=7945471fc07f is making me nervous.... which test will be the one to spoil my all-green push?
# [23:31] <mbrubeck> Actually I think that C3 has already hung and just hasn't timed out yet, so I should probably just relax.
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# [23:36] <philor> or out of nowhere, a surprise Linux64 reftest
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# [23:38] <mbrubeck> Darn! I was hoping to make it past the M-oth gauntlet into the Win pgo pit of doom.
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# [23:57] <gregglind> is there a simple pathway to get a hg diff between two different (unrelated) code trees?
# [23:57] <gregglind> I did it in the past, but I don't recall how
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# [23:59] <@ehsan> espindola: you know C++ better than me, is there any way to get something like this to compile? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1668114
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