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# Session Start: Thu Jun 28 00:00:01 2012
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# [00:04] <mounir> bsmedberg: ping
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# [00:04] <@bsmedberg> mounir: pong
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# [00:04] <mounir> bsmedberg: I would like to use nsCryptoHash module from a content process
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# [00:05] <@bsmedberg> There are bugs on this.
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# [00:05] <mounir> i've been told that you made it non available there
# [00:05] <mounir> bsmedberg: do you have numbers?
# [00:05] <@bsmedberg> well yes kinda
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# [00:05] <@bsmedberg> You don't have a profile, so initializing normal PSM/NSS is hard.
# [00:05] <mounir> hmm
# [00:05] <@bsmedberg> Not offhand, no. I think bsmith knows of them.
# [00:06] <mounir> commenting the code that checks the process makes it work
# [00:06] <mounir> quite fine
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# [00:07] <@bsmedberg> mounir: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673432#c14
# [00:07] <@bsmedberg> mounir: the assert was partly there to make sure that nobody tried to actually use "real PSM" in the content process
# [00:07] <@bsmedberg> which would fail in terrible ways
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# [00:07] <@bsmedberg> but also because initializing NSS was oddly expensive. Maybe that's changed now.
# [00:08] <@bsmedberg> But I think we need some kind of assert to separate the good from the bad things you can do.
# [00:08] <mounir> will have a deeper look tomorrow
# [00:09] <BenB> <biesi> BenB, yes, you can delete google accounts. what makes you think you can't?
# [00:09] <BenB> on my phone (motoblur), I definitely can't delete the last google account. it offers a delete button, but when I actually press it, it gives me an error message "you can't delete the last account"
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# [00:10] <biesi> BenB, which android verison is that?
# [00:10] <biesi> you don't need any accounts these days, for a while now
# [00:10] <BenB> 2.3.3 with motoblur, on Motorola Defy
# [00:11] <biesi> hmm, maybe you can work around that by adding an email account or something and then deleting the google one
# [00:11] <@dolske> motoblur is all motorola's crud
# [00:11] <@dolske> which I suppose is techncially google now :)
# [00:12] <BenB> biesi: I'll try that tomorrow, but I already tried a few things a few times.
# [00:12] <BenB> I was just saying: let's please not force people to use "Google Market" and a Google account on their phones.
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# [00:13] <BenB> (cause even if I would manage to delete it, I still can't install Firefox Android, unless I know the ftp server)
# [00:14] <biesi> sure, fair enough
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# [00:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d254c07f3301 - Olli Pettay - Bug 730639 - Blast DOM owned subtrees during canSkip, r=mccr8
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# [00:21] <lsblakk> mayhemer: ping re bug 764546 - can you get that landed to beta soon please? we'll want qa to have a chance to verify
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# [00:21] <Wes> help! is there anybody who can purge a pastebin I should not have pasted?
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# [00:22] <lsblakk> Honza: thanks, didn't realize we had two Honza :)
# [00:22] <@smaug> Wes: try #it ?
# [00:22] <Wes> smaug: thanks
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# [00:28] <sewardj> vlad: ping
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# [00:32] <jcranmer|away> rubio: which version of clang are you using?
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# [00:33] <rubio> jcranmer|away: hi
# [00:33] <jcranmer|away> rubio: I take it you're a summer intern?
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# [00:34] <rubio> jcranmer|away: it is building, I just have a problem with my wrapper scripts
# [00:34] <rubio> jcranmer|away: before I could get away without including webm in the build
# [00:34] <rubio> jcranmer|away: now I have to include it in order to compile the trunk
# [00:34] <RyanVM> wow, quiet day on inbound
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# [00:35] <rubio> jcranmer: my problem is with vpx, I was wondering if you know what happens when .i_o files get converted into .o files, and when exactly that happens.
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# [00:35] <jcranmer> rubio: --disable-<random feature> tends to get broken all the time
# [00:35] <rubio> jcranmer|away: I am a colaborator from the University of Wisconsin, performing some static analysis on Firefox
# [00:36] <rubio> jcranmer: yes, I was using disable-webm, now I am not, and I am getting into trouble with those .i_o files
# [00:36] <rubio> jcranmer: I just can't find where they are converted into .o files
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# [00:37] <jcranmer> a brief look at our build scripts tell me they never are
# [00:37] <jcranmer> i.e., they're fed into the linker directly
# [00:37] <rubio> jcranmer: oh, what do you mean?
# [00:38] <rubio> jcranmer: I can see .i_o files and .o files for media/
# [00:38] <cpeterson> peterv, I just started getting Android build errors about Uint8ClampedArray in nsCanvasRenderingContext2DAzure.cpp on m-i (but not m-c), but hg says you made those code changes in May 21. Have any #defines changed recently?
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# [00:38] <jcranmer> AFAICT, we do nothing with .i_o files, so they just get slurped up by ld into the final library
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# [00:39] <rubio> jcranmer: let me have a second look, I will ping you again soon
# [00:40] <rubio> jcranmer: thank you!
# [00:41] <dholbert> cpeterson, the "May 21" is a lie
# [00:41] <dholbert> cpeterson, you can check in a patch with any datestamp you like. In this case, it's likely a patch that was qref'd on May 21, and then qimported & landed today
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# [00:42] <jcranmer> cpeterson: you'd have to look at the pushlog to be sure when it was actually made
# [00:42] <dholbert> cpeterson, the only way to know for sure when it landed is to click the "pushlog" link
# [00:42] <dholbert> yeah
# [00:42] <cpeterson> dholbert, thanks. This hg date feature seems more like a bug to me. :)
# [00:42] <@roc> rubio: who do you work with at Wisconsin?
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# [00:42] <dholbert> cpeterson, np. yeah, it's a little iffy
# [00:43] <dholbert> cpeterson, (it works as-designed, but I'm not sure it's sensible as-designed. :))
# [00:43] <cpeterson> yeah, I realize it's a "feature".
# [00:43] <rubio> roc: Ben Liblit
# [00:43] <@dolske> badgerbadgerbadgerbadger
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# [00:43] <rubio> dolske: :)
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# [00:44] <@roc> cool. I know him.
# [00:44] <@roc> what's your project about?
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# [00:44] <rubio> roc: Finding dropped error codes (not saved, overwritten, etc.)
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# [00:46] <@roc> aha, fun
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# [00:50] <rubio> roc: :)
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# [00:57] <sewardj> vlad: ping
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# [01:10] <jesup> Are there new problems with try? { "msg": "Revision 1c18467ff7df not found on branch try", "status": "FAILED" } from a push an hour ago, when I try to go to the self-serve API
# [01:10] <joe> lsblakk: oh, I pushed those patches a while back, but I never marked the bugs
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# [01:12] <@roc> oh oh oh
# [01:13] <@roc> Do I see "Joshua Matthews" on the new hires list? I do!
# [01:13] <derf> And here I thought you were just that excited that philor was back.
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# [01:17] <jesup> ted/glandium/khuey: Win x64 gkmedia merged in, all PGO'd: linker max vsize: 3811520512 check: 19980/0 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1bb694191ec7
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# [01:18] <jesup> I have to run; be on later (11pm-ish)
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# [01:30] <philor> there we go
# [01:30] <philor> anybody want to back a couple of things out of inbound?
# [01:30] <mbrubeck> always
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# [01:31] <mbrubeck> Is it this Win pgo orange?
# [01:31] <philor> mbrubeck: yeah, 438c192e561b and d6f341e77b68
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# [01:31] <philor> at least, I hope it's 438c192e561b and not something even further below
# [01:33] <philor> but the only other choice is Aryeh, and that's unlikely
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# [01:34] <lsblakk> joe: cool, i saw that and have already sent the go to build - thanks for doing that
# [01:34] <mbrubeck> backed out
# [01:35] <mbrubeck> peterv: ^
# [01:36] <philor> thx
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# [01:38] <@khuey> dbaron: trace refcnt is telling me that I've leaked one reference, but seven from COMPtrs
# [01:38] <@khuey> dbaron: any idea what that means?
# [01:39] <@dbaron> khuey, see what find-comptr-leakers tells you
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# [01:40] <@ehsan-busy> vladan: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win32-pgo/1340672496/
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# [01:44] <@khuey> dbaron: I have several different "object N held by 0xDEADBEEF is M out of balance"
# [01:44] <@khuey> for the same N, but different M
# [01:44] <@khuey> and lots of stacks
# [01:45] <@dbaron> khuey, are any negative?
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# [01:45] <@dbaron> (and hopefully it's not really 0xDEADBEEF)
# [01:45] <@khuey> no
# [01:45] <@khuey> and no, it's not really 0xDEADBEEF
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# [01:45] <@khuey> but that's an easy pointer to type
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# [02:04] <sfink> argh, wtf? I just had a clean try push.
# [02:04] <sfink> very very red
# [02:05] <GPHemsley> Apparently the stop script dialog on Scratchpad doesn't actually work? >_<
# [02:05] <sfink> Oh. Must've been the rebase.
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# [02:09] <GPHemsley> shoot... even after I managed to close Firebug and the Scratchpad window, the infinite loop kept going... it even reopened a black Scratchpad window just to re-prompt me to stop script
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# [02:19] <NeilAway> oh wait, no space left on device, that would do it
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# [02:21] <GPHemsley> I filed bug 769107 on the matter, FTW
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# [02:32] <ekr> anyone have any theories on what's going on here?
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# [02:33] <ekr> [this is new code I am writing that, as you can see, uses an nsRefPtr<nsIEventTarget>
# [02:33] <ekr> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1681476
# [02:33] <ekr> It's in the final libxul link
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# [02:37] <@bsmedberg> ekr: you don't have LIBXUL_LIBRARY in your makefile, I'll wager!
# [02:37] <ekr> bsmedberg: no I do not.
# [02:37] <@bsmedberg> ekr: why wouldn't you use a nsCOMPtr<nsIEventTarget?
# [02:38] <@bsmedberg> you want LIBXUL_LIBRARY for any code that will be linked into libxul
# [02:38] <ekr> As in -DLIBXUL_LIBRARY?
# [02:38] <@bsmedberg> no, it's a makefile variable
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# [02:38] <ekr> As for why nsRefPtr… that's what the code that bsmith gave me had :)
# [02:38] <@bsmedberg> see e.g. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/build/Makefile.in#20
# [02:38] <@bsmedberg> use nsCOMPtr for interfaces
# [02:38] <ekr> bsmedberg: ok, I'll fix.
# [02:38] <ekr> thanks
# [02:38] <@bsmedberg> nsRefPtr for c++ classes which aren't interfaces but still have AddRef/Release
# [02:39] <@bsmedberg> nsCOMPtr is slightly better on codesize overall
# [02:39] <ekr> ok. thanks
# [02:40] <ekr> exactly which ref counted pointers to use in each setting seems to be a subject of some controversy :)
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# [02:40] <ekr> (as I discovered the other night when I asked about nsRefPtr versus mozilla::RefPtr)
# [02:42] <@bsmedberg> wtf is mozilla::RefPtr?
# [02:42] <@bsmedberg> MFBT taking over the world?
# [02:42] <@roc> yes
# [02:43] * @bsmedberg wonders who is the owner of that code, since modules/core doesn't list anybody
# [02:43] <ted> Waldo?
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# [02:43] <ekr> see what I mean?
# [02:43] <@bsmedberg> and if we're just shoving stuff there or actually planning on getting rid of the equivalents that already exist...
# [02:44] * WG9s wonders if that is Mean Failures Between Time?
# [02:44] <ekr> bsmedberg: which one do you think? I'm betting on "just shoving stuff in there"
# [02:44] <@bsmedberg> as owner of those classes which already exist, I'm a bit concerned ;-)
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# [02:44] <ekr> the best part is somewhere around 2014, the compilers will all be upgraded and then you can also use the TR1 smart pointers.
# [02:44] <@bsmedberg> not that I particularly like the existing ones, but duplication seems worse in many ways
# [02:45] <@bsmedberg> ekr: you're a crazy optimist
# [02:45] <ekr> you think more like 2050?
# [02:45] <@bsmedberg> "the compilers will all" is a sentence I've been hearing since 2002!
# [02:45] <@bsmedberg> and it still never works out quite right for C++ features which are ancient
# [02:45] <Waldo> ted, bsmedberg: there was an email discussion several months ago about ownership-slash-updating-the-module-docs; looks like brendan never updated things accordingly for it
# [02:46] * Waldo tries to dig up the thread about it
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# [02:46] <WG9s> kind of MTBF for dyslexics!
# [02:47] <ted> WG9s: "mozilla foundation of basic templates"
# [02:47] <ted> or "mother-f*ing booze time"
# [02:47] <ted> your choice
# [02:47] <WG9s> wqell i found other definitions.
# [02:47] <WG9s> yes second one
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# [02:48] <Waldo> "Ok, so cjones looks like the winner by hg annotate. Chris, are you willing to own? [answer was yes]" "Luke, will you peer along with Jeff, mhommey, Ms2ger? I'd like a peer from the big depending thing (SpiderMonkey). [answer was yes]"
# [02:48] <WG9s> Just form a job I used to to have (Mean Time Between Failures) MTBF was very important.
# [02:48] <Waldo> that's the last I have in that thread of discussion
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# [02:48] <Waldo> February 16ish
# [02:48] <WG9s> So every time i see that it just looks like my bad typing.
# [02:49] <@bsmedberg> WG9s: around here we call it "mozilla tried but failed" ;-)
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# [02:49] <WG9s> perhaps i have Dystypia! (there I coined a new term, I should copyright it so everyone who uses it has to pay me royaltees!)
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# [02:50] <Waldo> mozilla::RefPtr was added because gfx people needed a refptr implementation and couldn't/didn't want to use the XPCOM one for obvious reasons
# [02:50] <Waldo> I'm not sure what it'd take to swap out nsRefPtr for that
# [02:50] * @bsmedberg wonders what the obvious reasons were
# [02:51] <vlad> sewardj: pong
# [02:51] <Waldo> azure and such wanted to be buildable standalone, outside the byzantine Mozilla codebase
# [02:51] <WG9s> Like when Pat Riley tried to do that with three-peat!
# [02:51] <Waldo> to make it easier to get contributions and the like
# [02:51] <Waldo> also so other people could adopt it if they wanted
# [02:51] <vlad> sewardj: I'm not actually sure what the problem is with libunwind, I'm just haring it from ehsan -- but it's on my list of things to poke at in the next few days
# [02:52] <vlad> sewardj: I'll probably just start an email thread, if that's ok?
# [02:52] <vlad> sewardj: just so that we can get everyone involved and on the same page :)
# [02:52] <vlad> sewardj: or maybe a bug, actually
# [02:52] <WG9s> oh dear. dystypia is already in the urban dictionary.
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# [02:52] <WG9s> guess it is hard to coin a new termthese days1
# [02:53] <Waldo> bsmedberg: speaking of things, who owns the current mozilla::CondVar implementation? terrence was looking at getting rid of JS's NSPR dependency by adding stuff to mfbt, only to discover that one already existed
# [02:53] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: cjones
# [02:53] <Waldo> that seems convenient :-)
# [02:53] <@bsmedberg> but doesn't it still depend on NSPR in the impl?
# [02:54] <@bsmedberg> yeah, it's just a pretty wrapper
# [02:54] <Waldo> terrence was adding a new CondVar that didn't depend on NSPR
# [02:54] <Waldo> he mentioned he thought the interfaces looked reasonably similar between the two
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# [03:03] <devd> bz: re the patch for adding the extra principal argument to nsIContentPolicy; geekboy told me I need a super review and I should ask you who can grant me a super review
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# [03:03] <cpearce> do web apps install on Linux yet?
# [03:05] <padenot> cpearce: yes
# [03:05] <cpearce> hot diggity.
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# [03:09] <WG9s> cpearce: I installed world clocks a while back just to see if this all works on Linux and it works fine on Linux.
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# [03:12] <@bz> devd: maybe jst?
# [03:12] <@bz> devd: or sicking, but I think he's on vacation
# [03:13] <devd> yeah, and I think jst is already pretty heavily booked
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# [03:13] <devd> I was hoping just your review could count as super-review ;)
# [03:13] <devd> but I guess no such luck
# [03:13] <devd> thanks
# [03:14] <@bz> smaug?
# [03:14] <@bz> all the srs tend to be booked...
# [03:14] <@bz> mrbkap?
# [03:14] <@bz> seriously, though, sr for this should be quick
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# [03:18] <devd> ok
# [03:18] <devd> I will try jst .. he sits right next to me
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# [03:20] <@khuey> bz: sicking is back from vacation
# [03:20] <@khuey> he's in barcelona this week though
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# [03:28] <@bz> it's too bad I'm missing everyone in Barcelona, though
# [03:28] * @bz will be there _next_ week
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# [03:31] <WG9s> bz: seems like something I should try on my rel job.
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# [03:31] <@bz> hmm?
# [03:32] <WG9s> when I am on vacation, I don't care what breaks. FIND SOMEONE ELSE
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# [03:32] <WG9s> IT jobs are hard!
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# [03:35] <WG9s> and this is an general issue going forward.
# [03:36] <WG9s> i am old and understand how these things all work together.
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# [03:36] <WG9s> teh younger people only seem to understand their own specific area and no idea how it interfaces with anything else.
# [03:36] <WG9s> this does not bode well for the future.
# [03:38] <Wes> WG9s: I blame it on the PC. We need 8-bit micros again.
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# [03:39] <WG9s> oddly enough the first pc i got was not an ibm pc
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# [03:40] <WG9s> i bout a heathkit/zenith one that had an 8088 and an 8085 to do 8 bit.
# [03:40] <WG9s> for the longest time the usefull programs were on the 8-bit OS
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# [03:41] <WG9s> because it ran cpm and ms-dos
# [03:41] <WG9s> but i ran zcpr on it to get more program space.
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# [03:41] <Wes> WG9s: my first "PC" was a Sanyo MBC-555 I rescued from the dump
# [03:42] <Wes> by the time I was done with it had 4 floppy drives and a harddrive held in with Mechano
# [03:42] <WG9s> I have no idea which was older
# [03:42] <WG9s> tis was hethkit h-100
# [03:42] <WG9s> heathkit
# [03:42] <Wes> Most likely the Heathkit. I couldn't afford PCs until '89 or so
# [03:43] <Wes> before then I was a Timex-Sinclair 1000, VIC-20, Commdore-64, SuperPET 9000 etc hacker
# [03:43] <Wes> Along with the usual assortment of borrowed Atari and Apple gear
# [03:43] <ewong> Apple ][
# [03:43] <WG9s> Oh yes the heathkit was form around 1980
# [03:44] <Wes> PR#6 <grrreeeiiiin>
# [03:44] <WG9s> i think bull had run heathkit out of business by 1989.
# [03:44] <Wes> WG9s: that would have been a monster machine. The TS-1000, I remember getting 16K RAM for it, it seemed like a vast chasm of unfillable space
# [03:44] <WG9s> I know
# [03:44] <ewong> !seen jfkthame
# [03:44] <firebot> jfkthame was last seen 1 day, 13 hours, 22 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying 'if (result == NOT_FOUND) ....' in #developers.
# [03:45] <WG9s> the first computer i relly worked on was in college wasw a control data 3300.
# [03:45] <WG9s> 32K bits of memory took up about 6 ft by 2 feet and 6 feet high of room sapce.
# [03:45] <Wes> Wow, you have definitely been hacking longer than I. My first university account was on an IBM running VM-CMS, but it was basically obsolete by then
# [03:46] <Wes> WG9s: could you make the core memory do cool animations?
# [03:46] <WG9s> disk drives were the size of a washing machine and held 8 megabits
# [03:46] <Wes> please say you had a chain printer, those things were *awesome*
# [03:47] <WG9s> and you programmed the damned thing with puch cards
# [03:47] * Wes is glad he only remembers virtual punch cards
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# [03:49] <WG9s> had a drum printer and a trin printer. never had a cahin printer (but I think the train printer was the next step up)
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# [03:50] <WG9s> Plus i am not sure what the differnece between a chain printer and a train printer was.
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# [03:50] <Wes> I got to watch one of those, on a boy scout trip in the 80s. MAN was it ever awesome. This furious machine that printed faster than your eye could see, making cool pictures of Hagar The HOrrible in ASCII art on paper two feet wide
# [03:51] <WG9s> but I do remember IBM came out with a chain printer so CDC cam out with this train printer as the being even better!
# [03:51] <Wes> Apparently the operators had "a lot" of pictures, but we were only allowed to print some of them
# [03:51] <Wes> In retrospect, I just realized what the rest of them must have been
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# [03:52] <WG9s> I think the idea was that the chain printer had things that had the dies to pring 4 or maybe 6 characters on a ingle element tat was connected together in some way by a cahin
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# [03:53] <WG9s> and CDC came up with the same kind of thing but they each pushed each other along but were not connected so called it a train.
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# [03:53] <WG9s> I kinow the CDC thing had dies for 4 characters on each element
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# [03:54] <WG9s> ImY origianl experisnce was at Northeastern University in Boston mostly working with a Contol Data 3300 computer.
# [03:55] <felipe> where in the build process do we get rid of the xul/fastload cache when rebuilding something that touches it (like browser/)?
# [03:55] <WG9s> Then I went to work for the verndor after graduation becuase the were that impressed by me working at one of their customers.
# [03:55] <WG9s> I guess I was more politically savvy back then somehow.
# [03:55] <WG9s> nopw i mostly piss people off.
# [03:56] <Wes> Funny, I'm the same way
# [03:56] <Wes> I dealt with an issue the other day I definitely would not have handled the same way 15 years ago
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# [03:56] <Wes> "...customer is getting errors because he is using unsupported interface. I have removed the interface. Status: resolved"
# [03:56] <ewong> \o/
# [03:57] <WG9s> Wes but then I have run into issues the other way around at work.
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# [03:57] <@khuey> felipe: at the very end
# [03:57] <WG9s> someting wrong with the way dns zones are dlegated. part of the comapny cant send email to another part.
# [03:58] <@khuey> felipe: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/rules.mk#1761
# [03:58] <Wes> WG9s: that sounds like a recipe for having no work assigned to you!
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# [03:58] <WG9s> the dns a-holes are ont this well peopel changed things ontheir dns server and didn;t follw outr procedure so we are not goign to fix blah balh balh crap.
# [03:59] <WG9s> and then saying well they need to doordinate with us
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# [03:59] <WG9s> \problem is they are so amny timezones away that eamil is the only means of coordinating
# [03:59] <WG9s> but eamil is broken because of this issue.
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# [03:59] <Wes> LOL
# [03:59] <tbsaunde> khuey: will you have time to review bug 762770 soon? it doesn't do any VPATH stuff anymore, but adds another static lib
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# [04:00] <@khuey> tbsaunde: should get to it by the end of the week
# [04:00] <WG9s> that is OK we are only a defense contractor. Nothing relaly imporatnt going on with our comapy.
# [04:00] <tbsaunde> khuey: ok, thx
# [04:00] <WG9s> and then you wonder how 911 ever happened.
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# [04:01] <WG9s> here it is 11 yEARS LATER AND WE ARE STILL FIGHTING AMONGS OURSELVES INSTEAD OF DOING OUR JOB.
# [04:01] <WG9s> hmm gues I accidentally hnit caps lock but maybe it was needed anyay!
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# [04:04] <WG9s> Wes: I need to look further into this having no work assigned to me option. ;-)
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# [04:05] <Wes> WG9s: read Dilbert; emulate Wally :D
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# [04:07] <WG9s> Wes: we bought a company that got us listed on the dilbert stock exchange. not sure we are still there though.
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# [04:08] <Wes> WG9s: hee hee, that must have been fun for a while ;)
# [04:08] <felipe> khuey: ok thanks.. do you know where I should add a similar touch $(DIST)/bin/webapprt/.purgecaches when I build in webapprt/ ?
# [04:08] <Wes> I wonder if the mm xray machine company is listed..
# [04:09] <felipe> that same rules.mk?
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# [04:10] <WG9s> The exchange listed stocks in companies that were the major companies empl.oying the things Dilbert seemed to be finding frustrating.
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# [04:10] <WG9s> So being listed was adrfinite negative.
# [04:11] <WG9s> (or so one would think)
# [04:11] <@khuey> felipe: ask bsmedberg
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# [04:12] <felipe> ok
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# [04:15] <WG9s> but I am still on the I think I invented dystypia and anyone else owes me royalties!
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# [04:34] <cpearce> So... if I install a web app in a Nightly build in Ubuntu 12.04, how am I supposed to run the web app again? I don't see a menu item like I do when I install a web app in Windows...
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# [04:37] <Waldo> I think it goes in the usual app display area, or so I hear
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# [04:39] <cpearce> I don't see it my installed app in Ubuntu's dock and can't find it when searching the applications menu.
# [04:39] <cpearce> /me sighs...
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# [04:41] <cpearce> ah, I can run the app directly by running the stub file in ~/.${app-origin}/
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# [05:01] <jesup> ted/glandium/khuey: Win x64 gkmedia merged in, all PGO'd: linker max vsize: 3811520512 check: 19980/0 Win x32: linker max vsize: 3830517760 check: 19965/0 -- https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1bb694191ec7
# [05:02] <jesup> khuey: what's the limit on the Windows x64 builders?
# [05:02] <jesup> if you know, of course
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# [05:05] <@khuey> jesup: less than 4 gb
# [05:06] <@khuey> how much less, we don't know
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# [05:10] <derf> jesup: How did you manage to get past the libvpx stuff?
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# [05:11] <jesup> derf: it didn't fail on the builders. It did fail in a local build. Why? Dunno
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# [05:11] <Waldo> surely it depends on linker data structure sizes, algorithms, etc. and so isn't an exact science
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# [05:13] <derf> jesup: That's... awesome.
# [05:14] <jesup> derf: first time in recorded history things work better on the builders than locally. :-)
# [05:14] <jesup> just glad I didn't nuke the builds after 3 hours waiting
# [05:14] <derf> Not true. I am guaranteed to have an astoundingly greater amount of success building for Windows on the builders instead of locally.
# [05:14] <derf> But that's just because I don't have Windows installed locally.
# [05:16] <@bz> "W3C Editor's Draft 28 June 2012"
# [05:16] <jesup> Looks like we have somewhere up to 464MB free during PGO link, depending on how much of 4GB we can use - with everything PGO'd
# [05:16] <@bz> back to the future!
# [05:17] <derf> It's 28 June 2012 somewhere.
# [05:17] <jesup> It's been 28 June in NZ for quite a while
# [05:17] <njn> derf: my clock says 28 June
# [05:17] <derf> In most of the world, in fact!
# [05:17] <@bz> yeah, I know
# [05:17] <@bz> in particular the editor is in Australia
# [05:17] <jcranmer> bz: it's June 28 here in 52 minutes
# [05:17] <@bz> but still.... ;)
# [05:18] <@bz> it's interesting to me that the spec timestamp is editor local time
# [05:18] <njn> bz: I have my Linux desktop set to Mountain View time to avoid date-related failures in the JS regtests :(
# [05:18] <njn> bz: I think it's the southern hemisphere daylight savings behaviour that screws it up
# [05:19] <@bz> njn: heh
# [05:19] <@bz> njn: that's pretty sadmaking
# [05:19] * @bz looks at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=eb5a22d9fd6d and grins
# [05:24] <cpearce> anyone got a hot tip as to how to attach gdb to the content process of a running web app? I can't figure out what the content process is. there doesn't seem to be a plugin-container process anywhere...
# [05:25] <jesup> I don't think it's plugin-container, though I haven't played with this stuff.
# [05:25] <@roc> ps axww|grep x-bin
# [05:25] <@khuey> MOZ_DEBUG_CHILD_PROCESS=1
# [05:25] <@khuey> will print the pid
# [05:26] <cpearce> khuey: how does that work? do you mean `MOZ_DEBUG_CHILD_PROCESS=1 ./webapprt-stub` ?
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# [05:28] <@khuey> yes
# [05:28] <@khuey> or however you launch webapprt
# [05:28] <cpearce> khuey: doesn't seem to work for me then.
# [05:28] <@khuey> are you sure there's actually a contnet process involved?
# [05:29] <cpearce> khuey: There is a content process for web apps on windows at least, I'm not sure if Linux has got that far yet though.
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# [05:42] <Jesse> devd_afk: bz said on the servo list that a CSP <meta> tag can change the origin of a document. that doesn't sound safe -- there's a race where stuff can be injected before the <meta> tag is parsed.
# [05:43] <@bz> yes, I told him that too
# [05:43] * cpearce falls back to printf debugging...
# [05:43] <@bz> that's a general race when CSP is done via <meta>
# [05:43] <@bz> which is why I think CSP in <meta> is security theater
# [05:44] <@bz> but people really want their security theater, apparently
# [05:44] <@bz> and I don't have the bandwidth to fight another losing standards group battle
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# [05:45] <Jesse> well, if all you're doing with the <meta> is saying "ignore inline script tags for the rest of the document", it's not much of a race
# [05:45] <Jesse> what can CSP do now?
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# [05:46] <@roc> it sounds like CSP in <meta> could be useful against some threats
# [05:46] * @bz looks it up
# [05:48] <@bz> you can restrict which scripts are allowed to execute
# [05:48] <@bz> you can restrict whether eval() in scripts is allowed
# [05:48] <@bz> you can restrict which <object>s can load
# [05:48] <@bz> You can restrict which stylesheets are applied
# [05:48] <@bz> or rather which are loaded
# [05:49] <@bz> which is not the same thing
# [05:49] <@bz> You can restrict which images are loaded
# [05:49] <@bz> same for frames
# [05:49] <@bz> and fonts
# [05:49] <@bz> and which things can be connected to via XHR/WebSocket/EventSource
# [05:49] <@bz> And where forms can submit to
# [05:49] <@bz> You can specify the full range of sandbox policies as for <iframe sandbox>
# [05:50] <@bz> You can restrict the set of plug-ins that will run
# [05:50] <@bz> Something about frame-options, totally undocumented
# [05:50] <@bz> Jesse: ^
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# [05:52] <Jesse> which of those constitutes an "origin change"?
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# [05:53] <@bz> Jesse: sandbox
# [05:53] <@bz> Jesse: since that needs to make the iframe not be same-origin with the parent anymore
# [05:53] <@bz> so...
# [05:53] <@bz> khuey: ping
# [05:54] <@bz> bent: ping
# [05:54] <Jesse> bz: if you're using <meta> to protect the parent, maybe it's safe because the child hasn't had any script run yet
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# [05:55] <@bz> Jesse: well, unless someone injects stuff before the <meta>
# [05:55] <@bz> Jesse: but yes, the idea is to protect the parent
# [05:55] <@khuey> bz: pong
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# [05:55] <@khuey> bz: bent is in utc+1
# [05:55] <@bz> Jesse: except of course for the non-iframe case (but still, protect other stuff from same server)
# [05:55] <@bz> khuey: so I was looking at the last war on orange mail....
# [05:56] <@bz> 2. 86 oranges: bug 766462 (NEW)
# [05:56] <@bz> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766462>
# [05:56] <@bz> Intermittent test_cursor_mutation.html,
# [05:56] <@bz> test_create_index_with_integer_keys.html, test_create_index.html,
# [05:56] <@bz> test_traffic_jam.html | indexedDB error,
# [05:56] <@bz> 'NS_ERROR_DOM_INDEXEDDB_RECOVERABLE_ERR', | uncaught JS exception
# [05:56] <@bz> - [object Event] at undefined:undefined
# [05:56] <@khuey> we fixed it
# [05:56] <@bz> 4. 71 oranges: bug 767607 (NEW)
# [05:56] <@bz> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767607>
# [05:56] <@bz> Intermittent test_create_objectStore.html | indexedDB error,
# [05:56] <@bz> 'NS_ERROR_DOM_INDEXEDDB_RECOVERABLE_ERR', etc.
# [05:56] <@khuey> we fixed that too
# [05:56] <@bz> ah
# [05:56] <@bz> awesome!
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# [05:57] <@bz> that's like 10% of the oranges right there. ;)
# [05:57] <@khuey> woo
# [05:57] <@bz> as in:
# [05:57] <@bz> Orange factor: 3.1 (1418 oranges in 457 test runs)
# [05:57] <@bz> 86 + 71 == 157
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# [05:57] <@bz> 157 > 1418/10.0
# [05:57] <@khuey> yeah
# [05:57] <@khuey> there was one on just about every push
# [05:58] <@khuey> would have been worse if it didn't happen primarily on friday/saturday
# [05:58] <@bz> well, one every 3 pushes or so
# [05:58] <@bz> oh
# [05:58] <@bz> this was over only 2 days?
# [05:58] <@khuey> yes
# [05:58] <@bz> ok, then. ;)
# [05:58] <@khuey> maybe three
# [05:58] <@khuey> race conditions are bad ;-)
# [05:58] <@bz> yeah
# [05:58] <@bz> almost as bad as parsing
# [05:58] <@bz> ok, no more comments here. ;)
# [05:58] <@khuey> as bent should know
# [05:58] <@bz> oh, actually as long as we're here
# [05:59] <@bz> we should cancel the DOM bindings meeting for week after next
# [05:59] <@bz> (and probably not reinstate the one for the coming week)
# [05:59] <@khuey> yeah
# [05:59] <@khuey> agreed
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# [06:04] <@bz> now if only we can figure out how to reland the canvas 2d stuff...
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# [06:37] <jesup> bz: the <meta> CSP stuff - should it affect PeerConnections in WebRTC? ability to call navigator.getUserMedia()?
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# [06:40] <@bz> jesup: I have no clue
# [06:41] <@bz> jesup: I just skimmed the CSP spec today for the first time
# [06:41] <@bz> jesup: but nothing is special about <meta>
# [06:41] <@bz> jesup: it's supposed to act like the HTTP header
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# [06:42] <jesup> bz: where's the spec?
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# [06:54] <@bz> jesup: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/content-security-policy/raw-file/tip/csp-specification.dev.html
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# [06:54] <jesup> bz: thanks
# [06:55] <@bz> jesup: no problem
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# [06:58] <jesup> Interesting way to promote Hangouts (and Google Glasses): http://kottke.org/12/06/video-conferencing-skydivers-at-google-io-the-best-demo-ever
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# [07:15] <qDot> Seemed kinda silly.
# [07:15] <qDot> I was hoping for AR overlays from the sky ro something.
# [07:15] <qDot> But nope. Just streaming video.
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# [07:18] <njn> I have a function I need to call from both dom/base/nsWindowMemoryReporter.cpp and js/xpconnect/src/XPCJSRuntime.cpp. Any suggestions where it should live?
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# [07:22] <@roc> xpconnect I get
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# [08:13] <njn> roc: pardon?
# [08:13] <njn> roc: you mean, "xpconnect I guess"?
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# [08:14] <@roc> yes
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# [08:15] <njn> roc: I actually concluded the other way, because the function does non-trivial window-related stuff
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# [08:40] <glob> happy bmo push day! http://wp.me/p1JUqW-1v
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# [09:02] <njn> anyone understand XPConnect's header file structure? Is xpcpublic.h meant to contain all the public stuff? Some other files (e.g. XPCWrapper.h, XPCQuickStubs.h) are #include from other modules...
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# [09:03] <njn> I ask because I'm thinking of splitting out the memory reporter stuff and exposing a small amount of it, and I need to know where to put the exported declarations
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# [09:03] <njn> maybe in XPCJSMemoryReporter.h?
# [09:06] <glob> blassey, ping
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# [09:06] <blassey> pong
# [09:06] <glob> blassey, problems with splinter?
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# [09:07] <blassey> for the last 2 days the only option has been ? when doing reviews
# [09:07] <blassey> going to the bug and then clicking details lets me set r+ or r-
# [09:07] <gaston> hmmm is it expected to have to manually enable a langpack xpi when it's installed in firefox extensions/ dir ? couldnt they be whitelisted ?
# [09:07] <glob> blassey, interesting; hang on a moment
# [09:08] <glob> blassey, your tweet was just after a code push, nice timing :)
# [09:08] <blassey> heh
# [09:08] <blassey> this happened yesterday too
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# [09:08] <glob> blassey, all bugs?
# [09:09] <blassey> all my reviews
# [09:09] <ekr> OK, so I need to move the build of NSS up in the build order so that it's already been built by the time gkmedias rolls around
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# [09:09] <ekr> Just moving it up in toolkit-tiers.mk does not work.
# [09:09] <ekr> Has anyone attempted this?
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# [09:15] <padenot> ekr: benjamin (peterson) has done that for the zlib that he got to be build before js/
# [09:16] <ekr> ok.
# [09:16] <padenot> ekr: there is a magic recipe to apply apparently, you should ask him tomorrow.
# [09:16] <ekr> thanks.
# [09:16] <ekr> It appears to depend on mozsqlite3, which may make life more compicated
# [09:17] <Unfocused> gaston: hm, indeed, might make sense to have better behaviour there - file a bug? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Toolkit&component=Add-ons%20Manager&rep_platform=All&op_sys=All
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# [09:23] <gaston> sure
# [09:24] <Unfocused> ty!
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# [09:45] <gaston> Unfocused: in fact there's already 700615 :)
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# [09:46] <Unfocused> gaston: ah. well then.
# [09:47] <Unfocused> so many bugs. so little time. *sigh*
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# [09:48] <glob> NeilAway, playing around with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/copy-shorturl/
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# [09:50] <glob> NeilAway, oh, sorry, http://is.gd/y3T5w0
# [09:50] <glob> :P
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# [09:53] <MarcoZ> Hi all! Does anyone know who will do today's merge from inbound to m-c?
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# [09:57] <edmorley> MarcoZ: I will :-)
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# [10:00] <MarcoZ> edmorley: Would it be too much trouble to re-trigger Native Android nightlies after the merge? The merge will most probably contain bug 765463, which is currently blocking me from testing the Explore By Touch feature in nightly builds.
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# [10:02] <edmorley> MarcoZ: sure :-)
# [10:02] <MarcoZ> edmorley: Thanks! That will save me from limbo time for another day! :)
# [10:03] <MarcoZ> s/limbo time for another day/from another day of limbo time/
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# [10:06] <edmorley> MarcoZ: I'm just starring the tree / making sure the PGO issues from last night are definitely sorted, then will merge
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# [10:19] <sewardj> vlad: yes, pls file a bug and cc me
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# [10:23] <edmorley> MarcoZ: merged & Nightlies triggered
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# [10:24] <edmorley> MarcoZ: eta 50-55 mins
# [10:25] <MarcoZ> edmorley: Thank you so much!
# [10:25] <edmorley> MarcoZ: you are most welcome :-)
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# [10:52] <nigelb> gavin?
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# [10:58] <Wolf> fwiw, koalabot is a twin to firebot.. the duplication is temporary. :-)
# [10:58] <nigelb> Wolf: aha, thanks. Will you be disconnecting one of them/
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# [10:59] <nigelb> ah
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# [11:05] <ttaubert> have there been any bulid system changes that prevent me from creating try builds of revision between Fx 13 and 14?
# [11:05] <edmorley> nigelb: someone hasn't been reading planet... ;-)
# [11:05] <edmorley> ttaubert: 301 gps
# [11:05] <ttaubert> edmorley: 200 thx
# [11:05] <AryehGregor> khuey|away, pong.
# [11:06] <ttaubert> gps: ping
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# [11:07] <nigelb> edmorley: Yeah, been lagging :)
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# [11:08] <edmorley> ttaubert: I remember reading something in one of the newsgroups about a test harness change that meant you had to cherrypick a cset if you pushed an old rev to try
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# [11:12] <ttaubert> edmorley: the thing is that win builds are even red for me, saying "C compiler cannot create executables" :(
# [11:12] <edmorley> oh
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# [11:12] <edmorley> #pymake maybe?
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# [11:14] <ttaubert> edmorley: will try, ty
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# [11:42] <AryehGregor> Who are Thunderbird developers I could talk to about things like "get rid of the increase/decrease font size buttons and replace them with a drop-down list to pick sizes from"?
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# [11:42] <@smaug> Standard8 ^^
# [11:43] <Callek> AryehGregor: I don't know they'll fully agree with you, but yea, Standard8 or people in #maildev
# [11:43] <AryehGregor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767684#c11
# [11:43] <Standard8> AryehGregor: you want to ask in #maildev, probably more about EDT time
# [11:43] <AryehGregor> Okay, thanks.
# [11:43] <AryehGregor> Will do.
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# [11:44] <Callek> AryehGregor: fwiw SeaMonkey will need/want a similar change, if it ends up being UI/front-end tweaks to work around the backend editor change issues.
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# [11:45] <Callek> AryehGregor: but we can follow suit with what TB does here without too much pain (I think)
# [11:45] <Standard8> Callek: iirc that toolbar is shared
# [11:45] <Standard8> AryehGregor: btw you want bwinton_away specifically
# [11:45] <Callek> Standard8: If you think it is, then it probably is, I don't know much of anything about how the mailnews/ side of our codebase is organized :/
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# [11:47] <Standard8> AryehGregor: also note that we might not be able to change those buttons for TB 15...
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# [11:54] <jprmc> mayhemer: hey honza, is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767025 something you could review? trying to move in a timely manner for b2g review
# [11:55] <jprmc> b2g demo i mean
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# [11:56] <mayhemer> jprmc: yes, but probably not right now
# [11:56] <mayhemer> jprmc: why don't you just land them locally?
# [11:56] <mayhemer> why that needs to be landed quickly on m-c?
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# [11:56] <mayhemer> I'm very worried about unexpected and hard to track regressions...
# [11:56] <gal> we should have testing for this
# [11:57] <gal> and the current code is _horribly_ bad in terms of performance
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# [11:57] <gal> its slower on a high end macosx laptop with SSD drive to load from offline cache than via wifi from a server on a different continent
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# [11:57] <gal> so I think fixing this for all our platforms is a high priority
# [11:57] <mayhemer> gal: any reason not to use the patches just locally for the demo and find more proper fix with right amount of time to dev,test and review>
# [11:57] <mayhemer> ?
# [11:57] <gaston> a
# [11:57] <gaston> oops
# [11:57] <gal> we have a fix, we have tests, we have a reviewer
# [11:58] <gal> we will fork locally if we have to, but we want your review in any case
# [11:58] <mayhemer> gal: I cannot do the review right now
# [11:58] <gal> are you free later today?
# [11:58] <mayhemer> gal: yes
# [11:58] <gal> great, that works
# [11:59] <gal> we will likely hit you for review for a 2nd patch as well
# [11:59] <mayhemer> gal: what time you need it?
# [11:59] <gal> but this one is already ready to go
# [11:59] <mayhemer> gal: what test do you mean you have?
# [11:59] <gal> as soon you can do it
# [11:59] <gal> the path we are changing (active/delete) is exposed by a current test
# [12:00] <gal> my original patch was broken, it nicely broke a test
# [12:00] <gal> I will see if Thinker has any additional tests we can check in
# [12:00] <mayhemer> gal: and the "current test" is ?
# [12:00] <gal> I will ask thinker to comment in the bug
# [12:00] <gal> I think he made some smaller tests, we should check those in as well
# [12:02] <mayhemer> gal: what is the performance difference between my patch and yours?
# [12:02] <gal> the current patch is 10x faster on hand-written extreme cases, and about 2-3x faster on real world loads
# [12:02] <gal> we have another patch that should give us another several X speedup
# [12:03] <mayhemer> gal: you are not answering my question
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# [12:03] <gal> your patch didn't speed up at all
# [12:03] <gal> or not more than the measuring noise
# [12:03] <mayhemer> thanks
# [12:03] <gal> that matches what glandium saw
# [12:03] <mayhemer> when the 3rd patch is about to come?
# [12:03] <gal> thinker is on it, I will check with him and CC you on the separate bug
# [12:04] <gal> actually you already are
# [12:04] <gal> that patch will only write back when the entry is dirty and it won't dirty for FetchCount and LastFetched for the offline cache
# [12:04] <gal> (^ do you agree with that?)
# [12:04] <gal> and then we will also see if we can figure out why this is all happening on the main thread
# [12:05] <gal> more measurements might reveal more
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# [12:06] <Yoric> mayhemer: What's the bug# for all this discussion?
# [12:06] <mayhemer> 767025
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# [12:07] <Yoric> Thanks
# [12:08] <mayhemer> gal: I don't know about FetchCount and LastFetched - ask michal
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# [12:08] <mayhemer> gal: this all happens on the main thread and always did
# [12:08] <mayhemer> gal: it was designed to...
# [12:09] <mayhemer> gal: offline cache may be a cancidate for levelDB
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# [12:09] <mayhemer> gal: as I was told recently, offline cache is based on sqlite only because someone wanted to try how that is going to work to have a cache backend based on sqlite... here you have it :)
# [12:09] <Yoric> mayhemer: gal has logged off
# [12:10] <mayhemer> gal: offline cache started to be this widely used only recently, so no one complained so far
# [12:10] <mayhemer> Yoric: nice....
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# [12:10] <gal> meyhemer: ping, back
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# [12:10] <mayhemer> gal: see my comments...
# [12:11] <gal> in the bug? will look
# [12:11] <mayhemer> no
# [12:11] <mayhemer> here
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# [12:11] <gal> sorry, was logged off
# [12:11] <gal> can you paste?
# [12:11] <@smaug> we have a log for this channel
# [12:11] <gal> where?
# [12:11] <gal> found it
# [12:11] <mayhemer> http://irclog.gr/#browse/irc.mozilla.org/developers
# [12:11] <@smaug> http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=mozilla%23developers&s=28+Jun+2012&e=28+Jun+2012#c269770
# [12:12] <gal> meyhemer, ok makes sense
# [12:12] <gal> and yeah, we got our answer
# [12:12] <gal> for whether DB and cache mix well :)
# [12:12] <@smaug> ah, krijn's logs are back
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# [12:14] <mayhemer> gal: I need to leave now
# [12:14] <mayhemer> god!
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# [12:32] <Callek> edmorley: let me reply about services changes as well, to all@ and remove all other names, just to satisfy you
# [12:32] <Callek> ;-)
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# [12:32] <edmorley> heh :-)
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# [12:33] <Callek> p.s. is 45 thousand (unread) e-mails in my work-only inbox a lot for almost 4 months ;-)
# [12:34] <edmorley> I should just start filtering all@ into a folder and only look at it once a week, would make things a lot simpler
# [12:34] <Callek> another 600 e-mails fell to junk mail (still there, but shouldn't have been junk)
# [12:34] <edmorley> Callek: wow, bugmail?
# [12:34] <Callek> edmorley: nope, my bugmail goes to a different account
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# [12:35] <Callek> I only have 12 thousand unread *conversations* in my bugmail ;-)
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# [12:35] <Callek> edmorley: basically LOTS of nagios/automated e-mails
# [12:36] <edmorley> ah
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# [12:36] <Callek> almost all of it is relevant to have, but not relevant for me to have to read more than the past day or twos worth when I need to touch the stuff it alerts about
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# [12:45] <firebot> dao was last seen 1 day, 17 hours, 1 minute and a second ago, saying 'it might however be a problem with how the test interacts with the panel rather than a real bug' in #fx-team.
# [12:45] <koalabot> dao was last seen 1 day, 17 hours, 1 minute and a second ago, saying 'it might however be a problem with how the test interacts with the panel rather than a real bug' in #fx-team.
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# [12:54] <AryehGregor> So what causes test runs to be blue rather than orange? Could we make Android with empty summary be blue and auto-restart instead of requiring "a;r"?
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# [13:09] <edmorley> jmaher: ^
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# [13:12] <enda> I have a code standard general question. if I add a new element to an existing structure should I add it to the end of the struct or beside existing variables that are related to the new element. any views?
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# [13:14] <AryehGregor> enda, I'd say add it where it makes sense, not at the end. But don't rely on me.
# [13:14] <jfkthame> enda: it depends… usually, i'd put it where it logically belongs (in terms of related members), but sometimes issues of struct packing/alignment mean that it's better to group things by type/size rather than by function
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# [13:15] <jmaher> AryehGregor: you asked about the blue vs orange for android
# [13:15] <enda> ok, no strict rule anyway, i'll use my descrision thanks
# [13:16] <AryehGregor> jmaher, yes, mostly just curious.
# [13:16] <jmaher> AryehGregor: failures that wre 100% definitive and are unrelated to tests are blue
# [13:16] <jmaher> but when we have an empty summary, it could be that the application crashed and didn't produce a crash dump
# [13:16] <AryehGregor> Okay.
# [13:17] <AryehGregor> In which case, we're going to rerun the job and star it "a;r" anyway without trying to figure out whether that's actually correct (if we even can), right?
# [13:17] <AryehGregor> So why not save the manual step? :)
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# [13:17] <jmaher> that is good logic :)
# [13:18] <jmaher> I have inquired about not even displaying blue jobs in tbpl and only reporting orange or red
# [13:18] <AryehGregor> Well, if you have lots of blue in a row it might be worth knowing about.
# [13:18] <jmaher> but we only restart jobs that are known infrastructure problems
# [13:19] <jmaher> there have been a few cases where we crash randomly on startup
# [13:19] <AryehGregor> a) How can that be distinguished by a human from an infrastructure failure? b) If it can be, could a machine do the same thing? c) If it can be, is anyone going to?
# [13:19] <jmaher> Masking the problem means nobody will look at it
# [13:20] <jmaher> there is a chance that we could find a better way to make a summary
# [13:20] <AryehGregor> Does anyone look at empty summaries on Android now?
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# [13:21] <edmorley> AryehGregor: not any more
# [13:21] <edmorley> not ideal, but it is what it is
# [13:23] <edmorley> which reminds me, I need to file some bugs on improving TBPL's log parser/the annotated summaries (not that they'll be quick fixes, since we don't have any tests for the log parser :-()
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# [13:30] <@smaug> AryehGregor: you're aware of nsMutationGuard ?
# [13:30] <AryehGregor> smaug, no.
# [13:30] <@smaug> that might be useful with Bug 766426
# [13:30] * AryehGregor looks
# [13:31] <AryehGregor> Hmm.
# [13:31] <AryehGregor> How would that help?
# [13:31] <AryehGregor> I think I see.
# [13:31] <@smaug> if you want to detect unexpected mutations
# [13:32] <@smaug> and just bail out if there are any
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# [13:32] <@smaug> but I haven't checked what is the case in Bug 766426
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# [13:35] <@smaug> hmm, some new ###!!! ASSERTION: QueryInterface needed: 'query_result.get() == mRawPtr', file ../../dist/include/nsCOMPtr.h, line 498
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# [13:36] <edmorley> jmaher: do you know if anyone is working on bug 763166 ?
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# [13:38] <edmorley> dkl++
# [13:38] <edmorley> glob++
# [13:38] <edmorley> fileit is now in the non-guided bug submission form too! \o/
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# [13:47] <@smaug> AryehGregor: how does one use AsContent() ?
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> smaug, not sure what you mean. Same way one uses AsElement().
# [13:48] <@smaug> ah, there is IsContent()
# [13:48] <@smaug> it is just somewhere else than IsElement
# [13:48] <AryehGregor> The definition is, yeah.
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# [13:59] <@ted> edmorley: no tests?
# [13:59] <@ted> sounds like the perfect time to write some
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# [14:06] <jmaher> edmorley: I have no idea, I assume nobody is, but we need to pester the mobile guys
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# [14:12] <@ted> was that one of the bugs blassey said he'd find someone to take?
# [14:13] <@ted> yes, it is
# [14:13] <@ted> that and bug 749917
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# [14:20] <NeilAway> edmorley: fileit?
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# [14:22] <jmaher> heh, philorit
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# [14:28] <jlebar> hurley: ping?
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# [14:29] <edmorley> ted: yeah indeed, is just why no one has done so already over the last few years
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# [14:30] <edmorley> jmaher: thank you
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# [14:30] <edmorley> NeilAway: like http://harthur.github.com/fileit/
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# [14:35] <edmorley> msucan: the android bustage on fx-team is likely due to needing clobber. I have clobbered and then retriggered the debug build - but your opt build may need a retrigger if it burns again
# [14:36] * Ms2ger waves at edmorley
# [14:36] * edmorley waves back \o/
# [14:37] <msucan> edmorley: thanks
# [14:37] <msucan> edmorley: how do you clobber?
# [14:37] <mattwoodrow> edmorley: do the Talos 'o' failures here look familiar at all? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b7307d6a702b
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# [14:37] <edmorley> msucan: https://build.mozilla.org/clobberer/ (just need LDAP)
# [14:38] <edmorley> msucan: it is also now linked from TBPL under the tree info menu
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# [14:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9bf5e71c5746 - Jim Mathies - merge backout
# [14:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9c743145c60d - Jim Mathies - Bug 769212 - backout of bug 733630 due to bug 769212. r=backout
# [14:38] <koalabot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9bf5e71c5746 - Jim Mathies - merge backout
# [14:38] <koalabot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9c743145c60d - Jim Mathies - Bug 769212 - backout of bug 733630 due to bug 769212. r=backout
# [14:39] <edmorley> mattwoodrow: looking
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# [14:40] <jimm> anyone how to go about requesting a respin of nightlies for windows?
# [14:40] <edmorley> mattwoodrow: I have not seen that before - I believe that's one of the new suites added by jmaher recently
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# [14:40] <jmaher> edmorley: mattwoodrow: more of a reshuffling of existing tests into new suites and names
# [14:40] <edmorley> jimm: anyone with LDAP can request one, or I can do it for you now
# [14:40] <edmorley> presume m-c tip?
# [14:40] <mattwoodrow> well that would explain why I haven't seen it fail before, thanks edmorley
# [14:41] <msucan> edmorley: thanks. i've seen that page before, but last time when i saw it, it was unusuable
# [14:41] <msucan> (veeery slow loading)
# [14:41] <edmorley> msucan: they've split it up now
# [14:41] <msucan> cool
# [14:41] <jimm> edmorley: yes, plz. it's due to that backout I just did.
# [14:41] <edmorley> msucan: slightly better (albeit on m-c and inbound you can't tick off the checkboxes at once or it breaks; have to do in parts)
# [14:41] <msucan> hehe
# [14:41] <jimm> edmorley: is there a web interface for that?
# [14:42] <jmaher> mattwoodrow: that test runs the tests, but somewhere along the lines it craps out and hangs
# [14:42] <jmaher> stops running and we timeout
# [14:42] <jmaher> this is a test we have run traditionally in chrome/nochrome
# [14:42] <jmaher> tscroll
# [14:42] <edmorley> jimm: yeah: in tbpl hover over the push -> right hand side "Self-serve build api" -> bottom of page paste the changeset into the nightly field
# [14:42] <jmaher> tscrollr is row major and collects 25 data points instead of 5
# [14:43] <mattwoodrow> jmaher: Looking at the log, it appears to restart the test halfway through
# [14:43] <edmorley> jimm: have just submitted for m-c tip
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# [14:43] <edmorley> jimm: one thing to bear in mind is that if two nightlies are triggered close together, the snippet generation races and causes issues
# [14:44] <edmorley> but other than that, just means more people have to download the full rather than partial update
# [14:44] <edmorley> jmaher: ah, makes sense, thank you
# [14:44] <jimm> edmorley: ok good to know. that was easier than I expected. don't plan on making heavy use of it but good to know how to do it when needed. :) thanks.
# [14:45] <edmorley> np :-)
# [14:45] <sawrubh> is this working or has it been retired : http://isthetreegreen.com/
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> sawrubh, doesn't work
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# [14:46] <sawrubh> :(
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# [15:08] <jesup> glandium: ping
# [15:09] <glandium> jesup: pong
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# [15:09] <jesup> So, I was going to try non-PGO for gkmedia. All, all but media/webrtc - which? (I can probably do both)
# [15:10] <jesup> glandium: What's the best way to do that? I noticed when I tried to avoid PGOing libvpx that link failed due to missing PGO data for it
# [15:11] <jesup> (The "avoid PGO" for libvpx was a hack to remove the -GL option for it
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# [15:12] <jesup> FYI, increase for adding all of gkmedia, webrtc and signaling (~700K lines) and webrtc/third-party (which will mostly not land in m-c - another ~500K lines) was ~670MB
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# [15:13] <glandium> jesup: doesn't NO_PROFILE_GUIDED_OPTIMIZE=1 work?
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# [15:13] <glandium> jesup: oh so you had the numbers for without webrtc on the same changeset?
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# [15:15] <glandium> oh, just saw your last comment
# [15:15] <jesup> glandium: No, a recent m-c build. Not identical, but probably within a percent or two
# [15:17] <bhearsum> has anyone else noticed that their tabgroups get re-arranged (that is, the place of the groups on the group view) after restarting Nightly lately?
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# [15:19] <jesup> glandium: I'll try that. Figured I'd ask first; I think I'll need to add that to a number of Makefiles to do the test
# [15:21] <glandium> jesup: yeah, basically anything under media/webrtc
# [15:21] <jesup> Weird: find c-cpp-cc-h-files | xargs wc == ~500K lines; cd .. and repeat: 35010 lines.
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# [15:22] <jesup> glandium: so just webrtc then. Makes sense; that's ~750K lines (plus 500K lines that won't go to m-c); the entire rest of media/* is ~166K lines (if you trust wc!)
# [15:22] * jesup no longer trust wc as much
# [15:22] <jesup> s/trust/trusts/
# [15:22] <ekr> jesup: or maybe it's find :)
# [15:22] <ekr> Actually, it's probably xargs.
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# [15:22] <jesup> or xargs
# [15:22] <glandium> jesup: try sloccount, it removes comments
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# [15:22] <ekr> is it breaking it up into two calls.
# [15:22] <jesup> the file list is big...
# [15:22] <ekr> (which after all is xargs's job)
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# [15:23] <jesup> I thought it used one unless you used -n, but maybe there's a default -n value
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# [15:23] <ekr> there is, because there is a maximum command line size
# [15:24] <ekr> 5000 is the default
# [15:24] <glandium> jesup: a data point that might be interesting is gkmedias unseparated but webrtc disabled
# [15:24] <JellyBean> hey guys, when will Firefox for Android support Android 4.1 Jelly Bean and Nexus 7 tablet? http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7 http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html
# [15:24] <jesup> aha, 128KB (or less)
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# [15:26] <jesup> need -s big_number
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# [15:28] <Cork> i'm trying to regress test a range from 2012-06-04 but i'm crashing a lot on "libxul.so: hidden symbol `mozilla::TimeStamp::Startup()' isn't defined"
# [15:28] <edmorley> JellyBean: tablet support is already in Nightlies, as for JellyBean, maybe ask in #mobile
# [15:28] <Cork> i've tested over 8 revissions now, was this a big downtime back then?
# [15:29] <Ms2ger> Did you clobber?
# [15:29] <Cork> ya
# [15:30] <Ms2ger> Oh, broken intentionally
# [15:30] * Ms2ger remembers now
# [15:30] <Ms2ger> You're on ubuntu, aren't you?
# [15:30] <jesup> glandium: pushed to try https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e830867af157
# [15:30] <Cork> ubuntu 12.04 ya
# [15:30] <Cork> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=bbdf0f8c06a8&tochange=0a48e6561534
# [15:30] <Yoric> dougt: ping
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# [15:30] <Cork> opps sorry 11.10
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# [15:31] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752280
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# [15:31] <glandium> jesup: there's only one makefile in media/webrtc?
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# [15:32] <Cork> Ms2ger: i've successfully built the first and last build in that range
# [15:32] <Cork> that issue your talking about was checked in almost a month before
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# [15:44] <jlebar|14th_floor> BenWa: ping?
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# [15:46] <jesup> glandium: plus a bunch generated Makefiles from mozmake.py (gyp->Makefile)
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# [15:47] <edmorley> jlebar|14th_floor: 14th floor of where? :-)
# [15:48] <jesup> be back in a while (dr appt)
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# [15:50] <jlebar|14th_floor> edmorley: telefonica -- b2g work week.
# [15:50] <jlebar|14th_floor> edmorley: everyone else is on the fourth floor, but I can't hear myself think.
# [15:50] <edmorley> jlebar|14th_floor: ah :-)
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# [15:53] <Optimizer> did anyone notice that I am not able to drag my nightly window to anywhere, on windows 7
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# [15:59] <jimm> Optimizer: the offending bug was backed out
# [15:59] <Optimizer> oh
# [15:59] <jimm> Optimizer: enable the menu bar as a work around. nightlies were respun.
# [15:59] <Optimizer> so will be fixed within one day ?
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# [16:00] <jimm> the update should be out in a few hours hopefully
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# [16:00] <Optimizer> okay :)
# [16:00] <Optimizer> who caused it ?
# [16:02] <jimm> bug 733630
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# [16:03] <Optimizer> jimm: thanks
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# [16:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f62640f30159 - Chris Pearce - Bug 762191 - Make video controls mute/volume widgets do nothing if the video doesn't have audio. r=jaws
# [16:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9017b2970302 - Ed Morley - Merge last PGO-green changeset of mozilla-inbound to mozilla-central
# [16:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/87207dba8272 - Vivien Nicolas - Bug 760102 - Authorize web applications to use fullscreen by default. r=cpearce
# [16:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/72c50592b3a7 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 558220 part 2. Fix a bug in the test HTTP header that caused it to misread headers when a packet boundary fell between the CR and LF at the end of a header value. r=waldo
# [16:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dcf8693ba5e1 - Mark Capella - Bug 765110 - TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated, r=tbsaunde
# [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/687c15c6d651 - Chris Pearce - Bug 760102 - Enable fullscreen API for web apps. r=vingtetun
# [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4918f2685b05 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 558220 part 1. Add more debugging spew to the test HTTP server. r=waldo
# [16:12] <koalabot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f62640f30159 - Chris Pearce - Bug 762191 - Make video controls mute/volume widgets do nothing if the video doesn't have audio. r=jaws
# [16:12] <koalabot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9017b2970302 - Ed Morley - Merge last PGO-green changeset of mozilla-inbound to mozilla-central
# [16:12] <edmorley> nooooo
# [16:12] <koalabot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/87207dba8272 - Vivien Nicolas - Bug 760102 - Authorize web applications to use fullscreen by default. r=cpearce
# [16:12] <koalabot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/72c50592b3a7 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 558220 part 2. Fix a bug in the test HTTP header that caused it to misread headers when a packet boundary fell between the CR and LF at the end of a header value. r=waldo
# [16:12] <edmorley> koalabot: stop
# [16:12] <decoder> espindola: ping?
# [16:12] <koalabot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dcf8693ba5e1 - Mark Capella - Bug 765110 - TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated, r=tbsaunde
# [16:12] <koalabot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/687c15c6d651 - Chris Pearce - Bug 760102 - Enable fullscreen API for web apps. r=vingtetun
# [16:12] <koalabot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4918f2685b05 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 558220 part 1. Add more debugging spew to the test HTTP server. r=waldo
# [16:12] <koalabot> edmorley: I WILL
# [16:13] <edmorley> \o/
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# [16:13] <sawrubh> edmorley: well it did what it had and then stopped ;)
# [16:13] <edmorley> yeah, but it's the thought that counts I guess
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# [16:14] <sawrubh> heh
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# [16:14] <edmorley> I was under the number of changesets threshold for not spamming to the channel (but I really wanted bz's fix for the #1 orange on m-c and thus profiling et al)
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# [16:17] <bwinton> AryehGregor: Given how little love the editor has seen, and how many people want us to do _anything_ with it, I'm sure that landing ui changes to it will be welcomed by all. :)
# [16:18] <lduros> hello. does anybody know the proper way to parse/serialize/parse an html string while not have the encoding broken at the end?
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# [16:18] <lduros> My add-on intercepts the response body on http-on-examine-response, then parses the body to a DOM, makes some changes, serialize it back to a stream, and then feeds this stream back to onDataAvailable.
# [16:19] <lduros> The issue I have is with some utf-8 special characters. the second time around it is parsed (by the actual FF parser, not the DOMParser) some characters like accents etc look like they were encoded twice. here is the module that handles the parsing/serializing: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1682341 -- thanks
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# [16:21] <lduros> maybe I need to change the charset of the response
# [16:21] <lduros> since it has already been parsed
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# [16:23] <sawrubh> ehsan: Good morning
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# [16:28] <AryehGregor> bwinton, I don't think I have enough context to tell which parts of that were sarcastic, if any . . .
# [16:28] <bwinton> AryehGregor: That's the beauty of text-based formats. :)
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# [16:29] <ehsan> sawrubh: hey
# [16:29] <bwinton> AryehGregor: It was mostly non-sarcastic, to be honest. Editor hasn't seen a lot of love, and people are always asking me to update it.
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# [16:31] <Zarkonnen> Hello all - I'm working on a FF extension that needs to be able to observe when the user interacts with a page, by eg typing in some text. I'm currently just attaching onkeyup event listeners, but if there is already a listener in place that stops the event from bubbling, I never hear about it.
# [16:31] <Zarkonnen> Is there some way of hooking into the events at a more basic level, or reordering the listeners so mine has first dibs on the event?
# [16:31] <jcranmer> Yoric: do you have any plans to import some of the nsIDirectoryServiceProvider stuff? in OS.File?
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# [16:31] <Zarkonnen> (This is for recording Selenium tests, BTW, not for nefarious purposes.)
# [16:32] <Yoric> jcranmer: I had until khuey|away and bsmedberg shot down my hopes :)
# [16:32] <jcranmer> Yoric: oh?
# [16:32] <Yoric> jcranmer: There are issues with multi-threading.
# [16:32] <AryehGregor> bwinton, so would it be possible to replace the increase/decrease font size buttons with a drop-down, like (for instance) Gmail has? Who should I talk to about that? Because the existing buttons have regressed in functionality because of my patch, but a drop-down would work fine.
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# [16:32] <Yoric> I will still try and import some of it, but this has grown lower-priority.
# [16:33] <Yoric> jcranmer: How important/urgent is this for you?
# [16:33] <jcranmer> I don't think it's blocking anything I have
# [16:33] <Yoric> Ok.
# [16:33] <jcranmer> since I don't have code in chrome workers to begin with :-)
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# [16:33] <Yoric> :)
# [16:33] <bwinton> AryehGregor: Probably me. But I'm gone for a week as of tomorrow, so mconley (who's currently on vacation, but will be back Monday) would be a good second choice.
# [16:34] <AryehGregor> bwinton, okay.
# [16:34] <bwinton> Or you could submit a patch… ;)
# [16:34] <Yoric> As part of bug 763848, I import one item from the directory service provider.
# [16:34] <Yoric> If you want to take a look.
# [16:34] <Yoric> jcranmer: If you are interested in me opening more, please do not hesitate to file a bug.
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# [16:38] <Zarkonnen> Does anyone have a suggestion on who I could ask about this? I've tried a bunch of different approaches including replacing addEventListener, but this doesn't seem to work.
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# [16:39] <froydnj> davidb: your quote made me laugh :)
# [16:39] <jcranmer> Yoric: IIRC, most of the main directory accesses (NS_OS_HOME_DIR, etc.) are accessible off the main thread
# [16:39] <sawrubh> bwinton: I thought mconley works on TB
# [16:40] <davidb> froydnj: :)
# [16:40] <bwinton> sawrubh: Yeah, as do I… I thought that was what AryehGregor was talking about.
# [16:40] <Yoric> jcranmer: Well, khuey shot down my patch because NS_GetSpecialDirectory was not thread safe, and bsmedberg mentioned that it would never be, so I did not take the time to investigate further.
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# [16:41] <@bsmedberg> I am not opposed to some concept of getting some special directories being threadsafe
# [16:41] <@bsmedberg> but nsIDirectoryService is fundamentally not an API we can do that with
# [16:41] <Yoric> Sure.
# [16:42] <Yoric> For the day I attempt to make all of this accessible to OS.File, I hesitate between two solutions:
# [16:42] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: I note that nsDirectoryService itself is threadsafe
# [16:42] <@bsmedberg> no, the addref/release is
# [16:42] <@bsmedberg> the actual methods aren't
# [16:42] <Yoric> 1/ fetch data from the nsIDirectoryService at init time and store it somewhere else, somewhere read-only;
# [16:42] <Yoric> or 2/ replicate the behavior of [a subset of] nsIDirectoryService.
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# [16:43] <jcranmer> ah, giant hashtable
# [16:43] <Yoric> Would it be interesting to implement a thread-safe non-blocking hashtable?
# [16:43] <@bsmedberg> you can just use mutexes for that, no?
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# [16:44] <froydnj> not for the non-blocking part
# [16:44] <Yoric> Sure, different performance tradeoffs.
# [16:44] <Yoric> mutex = everybody pays a cost if there is no contention
# [16:44] <jcranmer> what, you don't want to implement lock-free concurrent datastructres? :-)
# [16:44] <froydnj> I will if somebody gives me an advanced degree after I do :)
# [16:44] <@bsmedberg> this really isn't going to be perf-sensitive
# [16:44] <Yoric> non-blocking = cost is paid only in case of contention.
# [16:44] <@bsmedberg> let's not overengineer it
# [16:45] <Ms2ger> Hey man
# [16:45] <Yoric> (of course, mutex = we have a chance to get it working quickly, non-blocking = not so sure)
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# [16:45] <Ms2ger> I wish you said that when they designed docshell
# [16:45] <@bsmedberg> I was not here then
# [16:45] <jcranmer> even if it is perf-sensitive, it's pretty much a write-once read-many data structure
# [16:45] <jcranmer> so put all of the expense in the write
# [16:46] <Yoric> iirc, there are well-nown algorithms for concurrent, non-blocking hashtables
# [16:46] <@bsmedberg> and it's not worth it in this case
# [16:46] <jcranmer> so how much longer before we can start using C++11-ish atomics? :-)
# [16:47] <Yoric> :)
# [16:47] <@bsmedberg> 2025?
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# [16:47] <jcranmer> i.e., when do we get mozilla/Atomics.h
# [16:48] <gavin> Yoric: is there a bug tracking an generic async file API module helper that abstracts away the worker stuff?
# [16:48] <Yoric> gavin: more or less
# [16:48] <Yoric> Give me asecond.
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# [16:49] <Yoric> gavin: bug 729057
# [16:49] <Yoric> Note that the initial comments are rather old.
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# [16:50] <gavin> thanks
# [16:51] <Yoric> gavin: By the way, here is me pinging you for a review on that nsSearchService bug.
# [16:51] <Yoric> bug 760036
# [16:51] <gavin> I haven't forgotten. social API work has eaten my face.
# [16:51] <Yoric> ok
# [16:52] <Yoric> I am currently in review starvation, so I have started working on two new bugs.
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# [16:58] <edmorley> what does [js:t] mean in the whitebaord? presume triage related
# [16:58] <jcranmer> JavaScript: terrifying
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# [16:59] <zzzzz> lol
# [16:59] <edmorley> lol
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# [17:00] <Ms2ger> Triaged
# [17:01] <sawrubh> what's the "js" for ?
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# [17:02] <edmorley> jolly serious
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# [17:02] <Ms2ger> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.tech.js-engine.internals/1RLUzgxujmY/MkOE8x0XaWQJ
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# [17:02] <edmorley> :-)
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# [17:02] <sheppy> Jon Snow
# [17:02] <jcranmer> Just STop
# [17:03] <Ms2ger> sheppy, *Stewart
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# [17:03] <Ms2ger> And the books are better
# [17:03] <edmorley> Ms2ger: thank you
# [17:03] <edmorley> just wondered since you removed one that had been added on an orange
# [17:04] <Ms2ger> I like to have people look at oranges :)
# [17:04] <Ms2ger> Especially if "people" doesn't include me
# [17:04] <edmorley> likewise :-)
# [17:04] <Ms2ger> You're paid for it :)
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# [17:05] <edmorley> you know where to apply :P
# [17:05] <Ms2ger> In this channel? :)
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# [17:05] <edmorley> oh no wait, sorry I meant yammer
# [17:06] <gabor> just file a bug :)
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# [17:06] <edmorley> Ms2ger: they've moved the application process there just for you ;-)
# [17:06] <sheppy> Ms2ger: I've so far only watched the first episode. I can appreciate all the... visual stimulation. But the books are fantastic. Making my way through the third one.
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# [17:08] <gaston> hmm i was pretty sure i could access ctypes object in js within the console... was i wrong ?
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# [17:09] <jdm> glob++
# [17:09] <jdm> the component search on the bug filing screen is the best
# [17:09] <glob> --> dkl++
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# [17:09] <Ms2ger> sheppy, oh, I haven't watched any of it :)
# [17:10] <sheppy> Ms2ger: oh, it's awesome unless you don't like nudity, sex, and graphic violence.
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# [17:10] <gaston> ah i needed to do 'Components.utils.import("resource://gre/modules/ctypes.jsm");' first, indeed
# [17:10] <sheppy> If you dislike those things, I don't know what to think about you. :)
# [17:10] <Ms2ger> Meh
# [17:10] <Ms2ger> Pesky humans and their bodies
# [17:11] <sheppy> I *knew* it! You're a robot!!!
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# [17:11] <@khuey> where do I find this nudity, sex, and graphic violence?
# [17:11] <jcranmer> google.com
# [17:12] <@khuey> heh
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# [17:12] <sheppy> khuey: google, yes, or "Game of Thrones." :)
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# [17:13] <Zarkonnen> Sorry to keep bothering you all - does anyone have a suggestion wrt/ the events problem?
# [17:13] <Ms2ger> Does it have dwarf sex?
# [17:13] <Zarkonnen> I'm kind of very stuck on this. :/
# [17:14] <Zarkonnen> Dave Hunt suggested I should go and talk to #developers here on questions about FF innards.
# [17:14] <sheppy> Ms2ger: likely
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# [17:14] <Wes> Zarkonnen: I don't know much, but I think you want to read about addEventListener
# [17:14] <sheppy> Zarkonnen: I didn't see your question but Wes is always full of good advice.
# [17:15] <Wes> Zarkonnen: oh, you want to catch events that aren't bubbling......no clue
# [17:15] <Zarkonnen> sheppy: The (involved) question: I'm working on a FF extension that needs to be able to observe when the user interacts with a page, by eg typing in some text. I'm currently just attaching onkeyup event listeners, but if there is already a listener in place that stops the event from bubbling, I never hear about it.
# [17:15] <Zarkonnen> Is there some way of hooking into the events at a more basic level, or reordering the listeners so mine has first dibs on the event?
# [17:15] <froydnj> hm, why is that onerror handler not being called
# [17:15] <Yoric> jdm: Hey, stop adding dependencies to bug 463027, I want to see it finished :)
# [17:15] <jdm> Yoric: never!
# [17:15] <Zarkonnen> It's basically so I can record the user entering text into a field, for purposes of making Selenium scripts.
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# [17:16] <jdm> I will use it to create a neverending stream of new mentored bugs
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# [17:16] <jdm> nice
# [17:16] <sawrubh> jdm: namaste
# [17:16] <jdm> bonjourno
# [17:16] <sawrubh> jdm: long time no see since yesterday
# [17:16] <Zarkonnen> Wes: Oh well - thanks. :)
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# [17:17] <jlebar> bz: So https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769254#c1 is sad.
# [17:17] <froydnj> ok, there's the error being printed out...why doesn't the uncaught exception handler get triggered?
# [17:17] <sheppy> Zarkonnen: hm. Something in my brain tells me I have seen something useful on MDN but I don't know what it might be.
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# [17:17] <Wes> Zarkonnen: that said, I bet events are processed in either FIFO or LIFO order, which means you can probably arrange to be the first guy on the list -- a bit of docs-reading around event listeners will probably help you
# [17:17] <sawrubh> jdm: I think https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722996 is done, but can you just confirm, then I'll ask for review
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# [17:19] <sheppy> Wes: yeah, I think so too.
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# [17:19] <jdm> sawrubh: you could try moving the checks into the observe method and letting _collect just handle collection
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# [17:19] <Zarkonnen> Wes: Thing is, I can't find anything that lets me access the list of events.
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# [17:20] <Wes> Zarkonnen: I don't think you can do that, certainly not from web api
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# [17:21] <sheppy> Zarkonnen: How about listening for the notification that a page has begun construction and getting in there first? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Observer_Notifications#Documents
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# [17:22] <sheppy> If you're an addon anyway.
# [17:22] <sheppy> If you're a web app, I don't think there's a lot you can do.
# [17:22] <@khuey> don't you just want capturing event listeners?
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# [17:22] <Zarkonnen> It is an addon.
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# [17:23] <@khuey> http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/event-capture-explained/
# [17:23] <gaston> hhm so this.log in services/crypto/modules/WeaveCrypto.js doesnt seem to be displayed by setting NSPR_LOG8MODULES=all:5
# [17:23] <sheppy> Like on document-element-inserted for the first element, add your listener.
# [17:23] <sheppy> That would get you in first.
# [17:23] <gaston> anyone knows where i can see those debug msgs ?
# [17:23] <Zarkonnen> OK, so I could use document-element-inserted to jump in there.
# [17:23] <Zarkonnen> Cool, I'll try that.
# [17:23] <@khuey> gaston: well the 8 may have something to do with the problem
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# [17:24] <@khuey> gaston: but js doesn't use NSPR logging anyways
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# [17:24] <gaston> yeah that was a typo when typing _here_ :)
# [17:24] <sheppy> Zarkonnen: dunno if it'll work or not but worth a shot! :)
# [17:24] <gaston> so it's in the js console iirc, i just need to remember how to make it verbose
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# [17:25] <Zarkonnen> sheppy: Thanks for the help! I'll give this a try and might come back and badger you more. Sadly, all my questions on Firefox are gnarly because they're mostly about making it do weird stuff. :P
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# [17:25] <sheppy> Zarkonnen: Firefox is mostly weird stuff. ;)
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# [17:29] <gaston> so i wans looking for services.sync.log.cryptoDebug in about:config...
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# [17:38] <jdm> ehsan: do you know why we clear the error console when transitioning into/from PB mode?
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# [17:39] <jdm> sawrubh: men are private people by nature. science!
# [17:39] <ehsan> jdm: we should only do it when transition out of PB
# [17:39] <ehsan> right?
# [17:40] <jdm> ehsan: correct.
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# [17:40] <ehsan> jdm: because the error console contains URLs of the pages you visited :)
# [17:40] <jdm> ah, fun.
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# [17:40] <ehsan> so it might reveal your gift purchasing plans ;)
# [17:40] <jdm> ehsan: what should we do about per-window in the future?
# [17:41] <@bsmedberg> ted: what's the right way to check from a makefile whether we're building for win32 or win64?
# [17:41] <@smaug> dzbarsky: just curious, why you changed the review request from sicking to me ?
# [17:41] <ehsan> jdm: hmm, I think nowadays we have the ability to tell which page an error is coming from?
# [17:41] * ehsan might be wrong
# [17:41] <jdm> ehsan: if the scripterror has a window ID, yes
# [17:41] <dzbarsky> smaug: I talked to sicking and he said you can do it
# [17:42] <jdm> and theoretically window ID corresponds to an error from coming a window in all cases
# [17:42] <ehsan> jdm: if it doesn't, will it ever contain a URL?
# [17:42] <@smaug> --sicking
# [17:42] <@smaug> dzbarsky: ok, I'll do it
# [17:42] <jdm> ehsan: I can't imagine it would.
# [17:42] <vingtetun> dholbert: quick question about bug 666041. is vertical flexbox support ?
# [17:42] <dzbarsky> smaug++
# [17:42] <jdm> ehsan: so what's the plan, either don't show errors with window IDs in the error console, or somehow remove only those ones on last-pb-context-exited?
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# [17:43] <ehsan> jdm: so in that case I think we should just not log those errors in the first place
# [17:43] <ehsan> jdm: that would make the lives of porn website webdevs harder
# [17:43] <jdm> probably the latter, since other products won't have window error consoles
# [17:43] <ehsan> but guess how much I care about that!
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# [17:43] <jdm> ehsan: see last line of text I wrote
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# [17:44] <ehsan> jdm: oh, they don't?
# [17:44] <jdm> does seamonkey have anything like the window error console?
# [17:44] <ehsan> you mean the UI?
# [17:44] <jdm> yes
# [17:44] <ehsan> it's in toolkit iirc
# [17:44] <jdm> oh, really?
# [17:44] <ehsan> I have seen it in thunderbird
# [17:44] <ehsan> but that's besides the point, those products don't support PB
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# [17:44] <jdm> oh, right
# [17:44] <jdm> we would only avoid logging the private ones
# [17:44] * ehsan notes that fennec is about to support it as the second product besides firefox
# [17:45] <jdm> cool, I'll file a bug about this
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# [17:45] <ehsan> jdm: thanks :)
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# [17:50] <dholbert> vingtetun, not yet
# [17:51] <dholbert> vingtetun, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744642 tracks that
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# [17:59] <vingtetun> dholbert: thanks
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# [18:01] <Ms2ger> bz, going for the html5test points?
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# [18:02] <gps> ttaubert: my ping was cancelled, right?
# [18:04] <@ted> bsmedberg: i think we have a 64_BIT_OS or something?
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# [18:05] <@bsmedberg> ted: ah, HAVE_64BIT_OS is good for windows too not just *nix?
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# [18:05] <@ted> pretty sure
# [18:05] <@ted> but not 100%
# [18:06] <@khuey> yes
# [18:06] <@khuey> it tests sizeof(void*) == 8
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# [18:08] <Yoric> Is there a problem with TryServer?
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# [18:08] <Yoric> I have been waiting for my WinXP results for nearly 24h and it doesn't show that compilation has started.
# [18:08] <Yoric> (all other platforms are complete)
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# [18:09] <mcsmurf> did other patches finish on WinXP in the meantime?
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# [18:10] <mcsmurf> hm, try says "M" for WinXP
# [18:10] <froydnj> Yoric: I had that problem too; my winxp results are just starting to come in
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# [18:10] <mcsmurf> what does M mean?
# [18:11] <Yoric> froydnj: ok, thanks.
# [18:11] <mcsmurf> pending looks like
# [18:11] <mcsmurf> (oh Mochitest, I see)
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# [18:20] <NeilAway> ehsan: can jdm make it so that when you close a pb window all console messages with its window id get deleted?
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# [18:20] <ttaubert> gps: yeah I asked in #pymake. no answer so far, though
# [18:21] <gps> the "computer cannot create executables" bit is a known intermittent problem on windows
# [18:21] <gps> if you run configure enough, it should eventually work
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# [18:27] <@bsmedberg> ttaubert: there's a windows service that holds .exe files open
# [18:27] <@bsmedberg> I have it disabled and that issue has mostly disappeared, but now I forget what the name is
# [18:28] <@bsmedberg> I think there's details in some of the bugs about this
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# [18:30] <dzbarsky> smaug: thanks, i hope that wasn't too boring ;)
# [18:31] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, write the tests! ;)
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# [18:34] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: that is *really* hard
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# [18:34] <Ms2ger> Make it easier! ;)
# [18:34] <jhammel> Ms2ger++
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# [18:34] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: it invloves C++ tests that poke at stuff in a firefox with a DOM setup
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# [18:35] <Ms2ger> Lovely!
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# [18:35] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: yup, we actually might have a test harness forthat stuff soon so
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# [18:41] <@bz> tbsaunde: thanks for fixing that image thing
# [18:41] <@bz> tbsaunde: now I just have to get html5test fixed... ;)
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# [18:42] <Ms2ger> bz, are you in the useless test business now? ;)
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# [18:43] <tbsaunde> bz: np
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# [18:45] <mounir> bz: sorry for that useless comment :/
# [18:47] <@bz> Ms2ger: I got tired of the press crap
# [18:47] <@bz> mounir: all good
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# [18:48] <@bz> Ms2ger: what do you think my chances are of getting html5test to take out the filesystem api and audio data api bits? ;)
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# [18:52] <gaston> hmmm interesting, in-content prefs doesnt seem to implement (yet?) the sync tab when the device is configured for it
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# [18:52] <gaston> it only shows the setup sync page
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# [18:53] <gaston> and it seems that actually makes firefox think it is not configured for sync, as it now shows 'setup sync' in tools
# [18:53] <gaston> WeaveCrypto: Observed nsPref:changed topic.
# [18:53] <gaston> strange.
# [18:53] <Optimizer> why is that keyup and keydown record keyCode, while keypress records charcode of the key pressed, and not the other one
# [18:53] <Optimizer> imo, the behavior should be consistent, and both keyup/down and keypress record both keyCode and charCode
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# [19:04] <mounir> bz: my interaction with the guy owning the website tends me to think you can dream about having anything done
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# [19:05] <mounir> bz: however, you can try to do pull requests over github
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# [19:08] <jlebar> bz: ping?
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# [19:09] <Ms2ger> mounir, and even then...
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# [19:09] <jlebar> mounir: can I interrupt you?
# [19:09] <Ms2ger> No
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# [19:12] <Ms2ger> bz, hmm, tests, let me steal those :)
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# [19:13] <@bz> Ms2ger: hmm?
# [19:13] <@bz> jlebar: ack
# [19:13] <@bz> mounir: I filed some github issues
# [19:13] <@bz> mounir: and one HTML spec bug
# [19:13] <@bz> mounir: we'll see whether any of it goes anywhere
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# [19:15] <jlebar> bz: So suppose I'm in mozbrowser, and I submit a form with method=POST and target=_blank.
# [19:15] <mounir> bz: I would be curious to know :)
# [19:15] <jlebar> bz: In theory, _blank means "open in browser app".
# [19:15] <@bz> jlebar: mmm
# [19:15] <@bz> jlebar: ok
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# [19:16] <jlebar> bz: So I wonder if we should drop the post data, send it over the web intent, or not open that particular link in a popup.
# [19:16] <jlebar> er, s/in a popup/in the browser.
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# [19:16] <@bz> here I thought this was going to be a tech question, but it's a policy question. ;)
# [19:16] <@bz> so this is some random app
# [19:16] <jlebar> bz: Yes.
# [19:16] <@bz> that loads a webpage
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# [19:16] <@bz> that has a post form with a target=_blank
# [19:16] <mounir> jlebar: that's a question for sicking then :)
# [19:16] <jlebar> bz: I don't know how often this happens in practice, I guess.
# [19:17] <jlebar> bz: Or maybe there are other edge cases which trigger it.
# [19:17] <@bz> What does Thunderbird do in this situation?
# [19:17] <jlebar> bz: Yes.
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# [19:17] <jlebar> bz: I can make mounir test that; he's in the room. :)
# [19:17] <sicking> jlebar: no making mounir do anything, he's working on security model!
# [19:17] <sicking> :)
# [19:17] <@bz> I could claim the app with the mozbrowser should be able to configure this
# [19:17] <@bz> but we still need a default behavior
# [19:18] <@bz> ooh, sicking is bad
# [19:18] <@bz> er, back
# [19:18] <sicking> i'm bad too
# [19:18] * @bz eyes review requests
# [19:18] <@bz> sicking: yes, I know, but I shouldn't come out and say it like that!
# [19:18] <@bz> jlebar: all of which is to say I have no frigging clue
# [19:18] <@bz> jlebar: the technically simplest thing is to drop the POST data or even the load
# [19:18] <@bz> jlebar: I would assume
# [19:18] <jlebar> bz: Yeah. Maybe I should just do that.
# [19:19] <@bz> jlebar: we could do that for now and see if anyone ever asks for anything else...
# [19:19] <@bz> jlebar: also worth testing what already happens on iOS and Android in this situation
# [19:19] <jlebar> That's a good idea, although I'm not sure how easy it would be to test. I'd have to make a web view navigate to a page with such a form?
# [19:20] <@bz> presumably, yes
# [19:20] <@bz> data: URI might even work...
# [19:20] <Ms2ger> sicking, you're making *mounir* do the security model?
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# [19:20] <Ms2ger> sicking, that's just asking for cheese-based vulnerabilities!
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# [19:22] <ekr> bsmedberg: I'm struggling with a linkage issue. We have a bunch of code we are developing that relies on XPCOM, e.g., the socket transport service. But we also want to be able to build compiled unit tests. If I compile it with LIBXUL_LIBRARY, is there some combination of libraries I can link with to get it to run standalone? Is there a good example?
# [19:22] <jlebar> bz: Okay, that's something to go on, I guess.
# [19:22] <jlebar> bz: This is going to be afun patch
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# [19:22] <@bsmedberg> ekr: last I checked there was no way to do this
# [19:22] <ekr> oh.
# [19:22] <@bz> jlebar: I bet
# [19:22] <@bsmedberg> it's been talked about a lot
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# [19:23] <@bsmedberg> normally the solution is "try to make an xpcshell test work somehow"
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# [19:23] <ekr> It totally works fine in test harness w/o LIBXUL_LIBRARY, but that doesn't really solve my problem for getting it linked with libxul
# [19:23] <@bsmedberg> you could build two copies of it
# [19:23] <ekr> yeah, that sounds like it may be the answr
# [19:23] <ekr> r
# [19:23] <jlebar> In other news, how do I get the add-on toolbar back to the bottom of firefox?
# [19:24] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: firefox menu, options, addon bar
# [19:24] <@bsmedberg> on windows at least
# [19:24] <Ms2ger> bz, http://www.w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Mozilla/reversed-1a.html :)
# [19:24] <ekr> Is there a short explanation somewhere of what's going on with this renaming thing?
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# [19:25] <philor> hola
# [19:25] <jlebar> bsmedberg: Command + / on Mac, apparently.
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# [19:25] <gaston> what was the planned name for personas now that browser id becomes persona ? themes ?
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# [19:26] <Ms2ger> gaston, "Firefox Sync"
# [19:26] <@bsmedberg> haha
# [19:26] <gaston> :D
# [19:26] <@bsmedberg> no, "Firefox Sink"
# [19:26] <WeirdAl> OS.File was mentioned on pmo today - anyone know what version of FF that's first supported for?
# [19:27] <gaston> Pimp-My-Firefox
# [19:27] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, 16?
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# [19:27] <jhammel> Firefox Sink? http://payload45.cargocollective.com/1/1/55466/3204144/FoxSink_680.JPG
# [19:27] <WeirdAl> hmm, so a while yet
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# [19:28] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, what I call "now" ;)
# [19:28] <WeirdAl> jhammel: that's one messed up toilet lid
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# [19:28] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: I like betas and releases :)
# [19:28] <Ms2ger> I don't :)
# [19:29] * WeirdAl wonders if he should ask about that install-app.py patch he submitted
# [19:29] <gaston> WeirdAl: you know there's an old concept in netsca^Wmozill^Wfirefox dubbed 'profiles' for that :)
# [19:29] <WeirdAl> wha?
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# [19:31] <gaston> me too, one for nightly that is throwable away, and one regular for release/beta ..
# [19:31] <gaston> so if you want to play with os.file goodness..
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# [19:32] <WeirdAl> not yet, thanks
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# [19:34] <gfritzsche> hm, chrome comes to iOS
# [19:34] <gfritzsche> i thought apple didn't like browser competition in the app store?
# [19:35] <@smaug> they don't want browsers which don't use webkit
# [19:35] <gfritzsche> ah, just great :/
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# [19:35] <@bsmedberg> oh crap, I went to store.mozilla.org and it took me to the Mozilla marketplace
# [19:35] <@bsmedberg> where is the Mozilla store now?
# [19:36] <cpeterson> Does Chrome for iPad bundle its own WebKit or use iOS's UIWebView?
# [19:36] <gfritzsche> bsmedberg: intlstore.mozilla.org?
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# [19:36] <gfritzsche> cpeterson: sounded like their own thing
# [19:37] <gfritzsche> but no definite word from the presentation
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# [19:37] <WeirdAl> !seen mixedpuppy
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# [19:38] <@smaug> I would expect that they can't use v8 on iOS
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# [19:38] <cpeterson> gfritzsche, I thought Apple's beef with third-party browsers was not the browser-ness but JITs (that require executable pages).
# [19:38] <@bsmedberg> let's not guess about this, at least here
# [19:38] <@bsmedberg> #bs is available for guessing
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# [19:39] <WeirdAl> bsmedberg: still clogged with reviews?
# [19:39] <@bsmedberg> well, and Flash, yes
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# [19:39] <nemo> cpeterson: our game has lua. oddly they didn't block that
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> cpeterson, do you mind me saying I've grown rather more cynical from dealing with Apple? :)
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# [19:40] <cpeterson> nemo, does Lua use a JIT? I thought Lua JIT was only available in an experimental branch.
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# [19:41] <mbrubeck> LuaJIT is a separate implementation, though it's ABI-compatible with the original Lua interpreter
# [19:41] <nemo> cpeterson: also. pretty darn sure it isn't just the JIT or partial browser implementations like Opera's could do more on the browser, instead of preprocessing on the server
# [19:42] <nemo> cpeterson: lots you can still do w/o a jit
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# [19:42] <mbrubeck> Apple doesn't allow interpreting/excuting downloaded code regardless of JIT
# [19:42] <Ms2ger> nemo, you know that Opera's implementation long predates Apple's policy, right?
# [19:43] <mbrubeck> "3.3.2 An Application may not download or install executable code. Interpreted code may only be used in an Application if all scripts, code and interpreters are packaged in the Application and not downloaded. The only exception to the foregoing is scripts and code downloaded and run by Apple’s built-in WebKit framework."
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# [19:44] <@bz> Ms2ger: you want a test WebKit fails?
# [19:44] <mbrubeck> Basically this prevents anyone from establishing their own distribution channel on iOS that delivers code to the device without using either (a) the app store or (b) Apple WebKit.
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# [19:44] <Ms2ger> bz, that's always nice
# [19:45] <@bz> Ms2ger: try this: <!DOCTYPE html>
# [19:45] <@bz> <ol reversed>
# [19:45] <@bz> <div><li>Two</li></div>
# [19:45] <@bz> <li>One</li>
# [19:45] <@bz> <li>Zero</li>
# [19:45] <@bz> </ol>
# [19:45] <@bz> Ms2ger: at least as the spec is written right now...
# [19:45] <mbrubeck> Apple wants some level of control over all software distribution channels; that's partly about security but also about their control of the platform (for user experience, business strategy, future eveloption, etc.).
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# [19:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: and another one:
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# [19:46] * Ms2ger reads the spec
# [19:46] <@bz> <!DOCTYPE html>
# [19:46] <@bz> <ol reversed>
# [19:46] <@bz> <li>Three</li>
# [19:46] <@bz> <li style="display: none"></li>
# [19:46] <@bz> <li>Two</li>
# [19:46] <@bz> </ol>
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# [19:46] <@bz> Ms2ger: unless the spec has another section somewhere totally unrelated like it has a tendency to do, of course
# [19:47] <Ms2ger> "When rendering li elements, user agents are expected to use the ordinal value of the li element to render the counter in the list item marker."
# [19:48] <sawrubh> ehsan: ping
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# [19:48] <@bz> Yes
# [19:48] <@bz> and...
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# [19:49] <@bz> "If the start attribute is present, user agents must parse it as an integer, in order to determine the attribute's value. The default value, used if the attribute is missing or if the value cannot be converted to a number according to the referenced algorithm, is 1 if the element has no reversed attribute, and is the number of child li elements otherwise."
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> "If the parent element is an ol element, then the li element has an ordinal value."
# [19:49] <@bz> Which is "2" in my first testcase and "three" in my second testcase
# [19:49] <ferongr> are there any plans (or filed bugs) to enable access to the OS clipboard from web content? Like in this example http://jsfiddle.net/FhUwn/
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> So if it isn't...
# [19:49] <@bz> note that it's possible we fail these too
# [19:49] <sawrubh> ehsan: just wanted to say, when you are free then you could maybe comment on 722978 - the problem I'm facing in the patch that I attached
# [19:49] <sawrubh> ehsan: Thanks
# [19:50] <@bz> e.g. we don't increment the counter on the display:none <li>
# [19:50] <@ehsan> sawrubh: hey
# [19:50] <@bz> which I think the spec is technically requiring
# [19:50] <@ehsan> sawrubh: yep, I'll get to it
# [19:50] <@bz> so it might be that this whole spec section is kinda broken
# [19:50] <@bz> Opera doesn't match webkit and gecko for the div case above
# [19:50] <Waldo> a broken spec, really?
# [19:50] <@bz> but does skip incrementing on display: none
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# [19:50] <Ms2ger> Hmm
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# [19:50] <Ms2ger> Hixie totally isn't going to like that
# [19:51] <@bz> like which?
# [19:51] <@bz> the display:none interaction?
# [19:51] <@bz> It makes total sense if you do this with CSS counters
# [19:51] <Ms2ger> That it does
# [19:51] <@bz> of course then you can't have @reversed, since CSS counters can't do that
# [19:51] <@bz> want to file bugs, or should I? ;)
# [19:51] <@bz> (on spec or webkit or us or all three....)
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# [19:52] <Ms2ger> You've got this in your head ;)
# [19:52] <Ms2ger> So, please
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# [19:53] <espindola> rail, ping
# [19:53] <rail> espindola: pong
# [19:53] * @bz sighs
# [19:53] <@bz> ok
# [19:53] <espindola> rail, really sorry, but could you please put 7d2fbe08aca3ae740e33b8aee872705a3b5229681dd0617ceffd6619fba75cb3cb7e1c3a071218f7cfd464003e5cd773cd8e67d16f78df9c50218fb6671580c6 in somewhere visible
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# [19:53] <rail> espindola: sure
# [19:54] <espindola> I deleted the copy on people.mozilla.org before realizing that that was the last public one :-(
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# [19:54] <espindola> thanks, comparing clang to clang makes it a lot easier to find what regressed
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# [19:59] <rail> espindola: http://people.mozilla.org/~raliiev/7d2fbe08aca3ae740e33b8aee872705a3b5229681dd0617ceffd6619fba75cb3cb7e1c3a071218f7cfd464003e5cd773cd8e67d16f78df9c50218fb6671580c6
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# [20:00] <espindola> rail-brb, thanks!
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# [20:01] <jcranmer> woah, someone's actually working on <input type=date> ?
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# [20:04] <edmorley> ehsan: inbound burning
# [20:06] <@bz> Ms2ger: for now, https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17632 and https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17633
# [20:06] <Ms2ger> Thanks!
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# [20:07] <edmorley> ehsan: was on a forced clobber, backing out
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# [20:08] <@ehsan> edmorley: oh ok, thanks
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# [20:09] <@ehsan> Cwiiis: ping
# [20:09] <edmorley> ehsan: np :-)
# [20:09] <taras> gavin: coming to snappy?
# [20:09] <taras> josh: ^
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# [20:14] <gavin> taras: I asked ttaubert to help with bug 752837, and look into bug 650968
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# [20:26] <Ms2ger> Aah, policy threads on m.d.platform
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# [20:31] <@ehsan> ah man this is what happens when patches get blocked on reviews for a couple of months
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# [20:31] <@ehsan> I don't even remember writing this stuff!
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# [20:31] <Ms2ger> I don't remember writing anything in editor/
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# [20:39] <armenzg_mtg> is there an IRC channel for jetpack devs?
# [20:39] <jhammel> armenzg_mtg: there is #jetpack ;)
# [20:39] <armenzg_mtg> jhammel: thanks. I thought they might have moved to #addon-sdk
# [20:39] <armenzg_mtg> or something like that
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# [20:44] <kaie> what's our rule today, do we allow direct link dependencies between modules, avoiding the IDL layer?
# [20:45] <kaie> gavin, do you know?
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> kaie, yes!
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# [20:47] <kaie> Ms2ger, thanks. I guess that changed when the mandatory big link was introduced, and building with individual shared objects stopped to work.
# [20:47] <kaie> shared modules
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# [20:50] <kaie> Given that's now allowed, I'll r= in bug 766683
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# [20:56] <@khuey> koalabot: what are you?
# [20:56] <koalabot> khuey: I'm koalabot, I provide Bug Updates (and much more) for Firefox and the rest of the Mozilla world. :-) I'm maintained by Wolf and you can find out more about me here, http://firebot.psychoticwolf.net/
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# [20:56] <@khuey> firebot: what are you?
# [20:56] <firebot> khuey: I'm firebot, I provide Bug Updates (and much more) for Firefox and the rest of the Mozilla world. :-) I'm maintained by Wolf and you can find out more about me here, http://firebot.psychoticwolf.net/
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# [20:56] <@khuey> I see
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> khuey, koalabot is the new firebot
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# [20:59] <@khuey> Ms2ger: I see
# [20:59] <@khuey> are we renaming the browser too?
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# [21:01] <NeilAway> actually, <ol reversed type="i" start="1"> I guess
# [21:02] <zandr> Ms2ger: Add-On Builder!
# [21:02] <@khuey> Ms2ger: sounds about right
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# [21:07] <devd> imelven: same problem when CSP header has sandbox
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# [21:13] <gps> bugzilla now has a search for the component when filing a bug \o/
# [21:13] <sewardj> vlad: ping
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# [21:14] <@bsmedberg> yay
# [21:14] <vlad> sewardj: pomg
# [21:14] <@bsmedberg> gps: where?
# [21:14] <sewardj> vlad: just trying to do a build for Fx on arm-linux w/ stackwalking
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# [21:15] <sewardj> vlad: do I need to add any patches before building?
# [21:15] <sewardj> vlad: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Performance/Profiling_with_the_Built-in_Profiler isn't clear
# [21:15] <gps> bsmedberg: go to File a New Bug
# [21:15] <vlad> no patches, but I think you have to explicitly enable stackwalking
# [21:15] <gps> at the top
# [21:16] <vlad> BenWa: ping
# [21:16] <vlad> sewardj: let me look at the code real quick
# [21:16] <@bsmedberg> oh I see, it's before you get to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Core
# [21:16] <@bsmedberg> which is where I normally start ;-)
# [21:16] <sewardj> vlad: so I need ac_add_options --enable-profiling
# [21:16] <sewardj> ?
# [21:16] <vlad> yep
# [21:17] <vlad> I would also assume you need -funwind-tables, but I don't see that being specified anywhere in configure.in
# [21:18] <@ted> i think that you get that with --enable-profiling
# [21:18] <@ted> don't you?
# [21:18] * @ted thought he rememered reviewign that
# [21:18] <vlad> doesn't look like it
# [21:18] <vlad> all it does is remove --strip-debug, and disables elfhack
# [21:19] <sewardj> vlad, ted: here's what I've got so far. Seems plausible? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1682735
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# [21:19] <vlad> sewardj: ah, yeah, only thing you need to do to enable it seems to be to enable stackwalking in the addon config
# [21:19] <vlad> and then it should use libunwind
# [21:20] <vlad> but I don't know about the -funwind-tables bit
# [21:20] <vlad> you may want to add taht to your --enable-optimize flags just to be sure
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# [21:21] <sewardj> vlad: "stackwalking in the addon config" is a once-its-built step, yes?
# [21:21] <vlad> yep
# [21:21] <@ted> vlad: ah
# [21:21] <@ted> it's hiding in build/autoconf/frameptr.m4
# [21:21] <vlad> ted: oh ok, so no need to manually add it?
# [21:21] <@ted> nope
# [21:21] <@ted> it's on with --enable-profiling
# [21:21] <@ted> (which is also on by default on m-c now)
# [21:22] <vlad> cool
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# [21:23] <BenWa> vlad: pong
# [21:24] <vlad> nvm, we got it I think :)
# [21:24] <vlad> sewardj's doing an arm build with profiling to try libunwind
# [21:24] <vlad> he just has to enable stackwalking in the addon after the build, right?
# [21:24] <BenWa> enable profiling is default on nightly, is it default on m-c?
# [21:25] <BenWa> vlad: I think he has to hardcode the profiler to use stackwalking. The profiler can't set features on mobile like it can on desktop
# [21:25] <BenWa> just a bit in TableTicker.cpp
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# [21:26] <@ted> oh! godo point
# [21:26] <@ted> it's on on nightlies
# [21:26] <@ted> but not by default in m-c
# [21:26] <@ted> so you still have to --enable-profiling
# [21:26] <vlad> sewardj: what benwa said.. so tools/profiler/TableTicker.cpp -- http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/tools/profiler/TableTicker.cpp#360
# [21:26] <vlad> set that to true unconditionally, I guess
# [21:26] <vlad> BenWa: we should fix that :)
# [21:27] <BenWa> vlad: Fix which? setting options on mobile?
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# [21:27] <vlad> yeah
# [21:27] <BenWa> vlad: I need someone to finish this work in bug 751034
# [21:27] <mcomella> Is it possible to find the version history files that no longer exist? Specifically I'm looking at this patch (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=588547&action=diff#a/mobile/android/base/resources/layout/font_size_preference.xml_sec1) where mobile/android/base/resources/layout/font_size_preference.xml does not appear to exist in trunk anymore.
# [21:28] <sewardj> vlad: noted, thx
# [21:28] <BenWa> vlad: Once we get something like this fixed we can talk to the addon over TCP
# [21:28] <BenWa> right now with signal we can't send it data
# [21:28] <BenWa> I could we could use two signals to be 0 and 1 and send binary data :)
# [21:28] <vlad> I was thinking restarting with an env var
# [21:29] <vlad> but if it's just signals..
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# [21:29] <vlad> or really, it can read /sdcard/profiler-options.txt
# [21:29] <BenWa> vlad: We could but I also want to be able to read stuff directly for the addon
# [21:29] <BenWa> TCP is a much more flexible solution and will integrate with dev tools better
# [21:29] <vlad> yeah, I agree
# [21:30] <vlad> just thinking of quick fix baby steps
# [21:30] <BenWa> Well I would except the patch, just wouldn't write it
# [21:30] <BenWa> accept*
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# [21:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1a5d6b1adf31 - Wes Kocher - no bug - Update revision of Jetpack tests used on m-c to green things up. r=me
# [21:38] <koalabot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1a5d6b1adf31 - Wes Kocher - no bug - Update revision of Jetpack tests used on m-c to green things up. r=me
# [21:38] <vladan> jrmuizel: 2-0 for italy
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# [21:38] <KWierso> koalabot: wat
# [21:38] <koalabot> KWierso: hmm... I think wat is mozilla webkit
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# [21:41] <Ms2ger> KWierso, new firebot
# [21:41] <KWierso> Ms2ger: is there something wrong with old firebot?
# [21:41] <jhammel> it doesn't output bug numbers anymore ;)
# [21:41] <Jesse> KWierso: http://firebot.psychoticwolf.net/2012/06/26/firebot-migration/
# [21:41] <Ms2ger> It's growing old and faint
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# [21:43] <sawrubh> ehsan: I asked Josh about if something more needs to be done than what my patch already does and he said something which I guess doesn't apply to that patch, Can you just confirm if anything is left there, I think it's complete
# [21:43] <sawrubh> ehsan: re 722996
# [21:44] <@ehsan> sawrubh: what did josh point out? I see nothing on the bug
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# [21:47] <sawrubh> ehsan: He said "sawrubh: you could try moving the checks into the observe method and letting _collect just handle collection" , but I don't see any "collect" or "observer" in the cookieAcceptDialog.js
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# [21:48] <@ehsan> sawrubh: where?
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# [21:48] <sawrubh> ehsan: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/cookie/content/cookieAcceptDialog.js
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# [21:49] <@ehsan> sawrubh: no, I mean I don't see any comment on the bug
# [21:49] <@ehsan> sawrubh: maybe I have the wrong bug number?
# [21:49] <sawrubh> yes, this was a chat on the irc
# [21:49] <@ehsan> argh
# [21:49] <sawrubh> no you have the righ no.
# [21:49] <sawrubh> :P
# [21:49] <sawrubh> :)
# [21:49] <@ehsan> I think we should discuss bugs.. well, inside the bugs :)
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# [21:49] <@ehsan> I'll ask on the bug what Josh meant
# [21:50] <sawrubh> sorry, will "try" and keep that in future :P
# [21:50] <sawrubh> ok
# [21:50] <@ehsan> cool
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# [21:56] <sawrubh> ehsan: I've PM'ed you something
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# [22:03] <smontagu> ehsan: is your name احسان? I thought it was اهسان
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# [22:07] <@ehsan> smontagu: it's the former :)
# [22:07] <@ehsan> smontagu: exact spelling as the arabic version
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# [22:18] <imelven> devd: :(
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# [22:18] <imelven> devd: any idea why ?
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# [22:30] <froydnj> hm, can't get the right windnow for dispatching this event
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# [22:38] <@khuey> just dispatch it to the hidden window
# [22:38] <@khuey> what could go wrong
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# [22:38] <froydnj> cleary I'm missing some major JS-fu here, because I don't know why I'm getting the wrong window
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# [22:43] <jduell> so if a pref is set in modules/libpref/src/init/all.js, other prefs.js (b2g/app/b2g.js, etc) inherit it unless they set a different value?
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# [22:44] <froydnj> hm, one is the outer window and one is the inner
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# [22:46] <sawrubh> ehsan: Check out https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769435 :P
# [22:47] <@ehsan> sawrubh: cool, you wanna take that? :)
# [22:47] <mcomella> Sorry if someone answered this already (my computer went to sleep) but: Is it possible to find the version history files that no longer exist? Specifically I'm looking at this patch (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=588547&action=diff#a/mobile/android/base/resources/layout/font_size_preference.xml_sec1) where mobile/android/base/resources/layout/font_size_preference.xml does not appear to exist in trunk anymore.
# [22:48] <@ehsan> hg log should give you that information
# [22:48] <NeilAway> you might need --removed
# [22:48] <NeilAway> gavin: got a sec to talk about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=632867 ?
# [22:49] <sawrubh> ehsan: yep, that's why I filed it, I'll be taking this up and also changing the xpcshell tests concerned in 722995
# [22:49] <sawrubh> :)
# [22:49] <@ehsan> sawrubh: cool, thanks!
# [22:49] <mcomella> ehsan: hg log isn't finding it
# [22:50] <mcomella> I'm trying "hg log font_size_preference.xml" in the directory
# [22:50] <mcomella> And I added —removed
# [22:50] <@ehsan> still not working?
# [22:51] <mcomella> Yeah, "hg log —removed font_size_preference.xml" doesn't find it either
# [22:51] <@ehsan> hmm
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# [22:52] <@ehsan> then I'm not sure..
# [22:52] <mcomella> ehsan: This file doesn't seem relevant without this patch though… So maybe the patch file is just busted?
# [22:52] <@ehsan> perhaps
# [22:53] <heycam> sfink, pong
# [22:53] <mcomella> ehsan: Okay, thanks!
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# [22:54] <Ms2ger> heycam, he's wrong :)
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# [22:54] <sfink> heycam: first, ignore Ms2ger. It'll be good for your health.
# [22:54] <heycam> heh
# [22:55] <sfink> heycam: second, this morning on #jsapi we were discussing typed arrays and differences between WebIDL's and ES's way of doing things
# [22:55] <heycam> ok
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# [22:55] <sfink> heycam: specifically, should named properties be enumerable and/or configurable
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# [22:55] <sfink> er, I probably have to be more specific, but I'm talking about things like Uint32Array.byteLength
# [22:55] <sfink> webidl seems to say enumerable: true and configurable: true
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# [22:56] <gavin> NeilAway: sure
# [22:56] <heycam> oh ok, so regular attributes
# [22:56] <NeilAway> gavin: it seems to me that the script gets loaded into every browser window
# [22:56] <sfink> ES would generally say enumerable: false and it would be much more straightforward to be configurable: false
# [22:56] <NeilAway> gavin: so if you send a tab from your mobile, it will open a new tab in every window
# [22:57] <heycam> for configurable, there seemed to be broad agreement at some point on the mailing list that configurable:true would be better for monkeypathability
# [22:57] <heycam> *patch
# [22:57] <heycam> for enumerability it's likely just what implementations did
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# [22:58] <sfink> Waldo said "[in the ES spec] in section 15 says every property has [[Enumerable]]: false"
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# [22:58] <gavin> NeilAway: looks like it
# [22:59] <heycam> ok. I have no idea what the compatibility implications would be to make all attributes/operations be non-enumerable properties.
# [22:59] <heycam> sounds like it might be worth raising on the mailing list though?
# [22:59] <NeilAway> gavin: yeah, I think I'm going to have to r- the suite port on that basis ;-)
# [22:59] <sfink> heycam: hm. I'm not sure what monkeypatching Float32Array.byteLength would end up with
# [23:00] <froydnj> definitely an evil monkeypatching
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# [23:00] <heycam> I don't know about choosing which attributes/operations make sense to be monkeypatchable
# [23:01] <heycam> should be all or nothing
# [23:01] <sfink> well, the typed array spec could set them unforgeable
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# [23:01] <NeilAway> jlebar|away: hmm, so I'm reading bug 750454, and we don't need to remove the event listeners?
# [23:01] <heycam> it could. that's kind of intended for things like window.location and a few other properties that plugins need to be able to access safely without them having been monkeypatched.
# [23:02] <heycam> tbh I don't see the harm in it being configurable
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# [23:03] <sfink> I don't think I understand any of this well enough to argue it, but jorendorff definitely felt it would open a rat's nest
# [23:03] <sfink> !summon jorendorff
# [23:03] <jorendorff> i'm here
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# [23:04] <heycam> I think FloatArray.prototype.byteLength being configurable is only as much of a problem as it is that say Array.prototype.push is
# [23:04] <jorendorff> sfink: i thought you guys were talking about the elements
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# [23:04] <sfink> oh, right. Sorry.
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# [23:05] <sfink> So maybe it just doesn't matter much.
# [23:05] <jorendorff> sfink, heycam: I think TypedArrays should be handled by TC39, ideally
# [23:05] <heycam> the actual array index properties definitely can't be overwritten
# [23:05] <jorendorff> WebIDL shouldn't care
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# [23:05] <jorendorff> heycam: i did read your message about iterators, btw, looks great
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# [23:05] <heycam> jorendorff, cool
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# [23:06] <Fallen> Has someone created a script to move the objdir before? Is it possible without too much effort?
# [23:06] * heycam has a call, bbl
# [23:06] <sfink> implementation-wise, making the named properties enumerable is fine, since I have to implement it for JS_ENUMERATE_INIT_ALL anyway, but I thought it would be a lot more convenient for a for loop to skip the weird stuff
# [23:07] <heycam> I would be surprised if there's not script out there that does such a loop
# [23:07] <heycam> (on existing objects with named properties)
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# [23:07] <jorendorff> heycam: the "iterator;" "iterator object;" syntax does not make the distinction between the two super clear, but the semantics seem exactly right, and that's all i care about
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# [23:08] <sfink> I don't think they're enumerable right now in FF. But I should test that.
# [23:08] <heycam> jorendorff, yeah I'm not too happy with it either, couldn't come up with something that sounded nice. "iterator behavior" and "iterator object behavior" also aren't super distinguishable.
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# [23:08] <heycam> jorendorff, if you think of better naming let me know
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# [23:08] <jorendorff> heycam: in python people say "iterable" vs. "iterator"
# [23:08] <heycam> sfink, if there's no interop then there's more hope of changing :)
# [23:09] <heycam> jorendorff, oh ok, sounds like it might be worth borrowing that wording then
# [23:09] * heycam will look into it
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# [23:11] <jorendorff> ok
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# [23:24] <BenWa> ted: I added CMMSRCS to my make file but it's not picking up the file or giving me any errors. Anything else I need to add?
# [23:25] <@khuey> ekr: pong
# [23:25] <@khuey> ddahl: your uuid is missing the last character
# [23:26] <ddahl> khuey: geez!
# [23:26] <ddahl> khuey: thanks
# [23:27] <ekr> khuey: I would like to pick up your plan to make gtest work with libxul internals (I'm now running into problems where it's relevant)
# [23:27] <ekr> But I'm not well enough informed to do it just based on your description. Would you be able to sell me some clues?
# [23:28] <@khuey> my plan was to link libxul twice
# [23:28] <@khuey> once like normal, once with all the other crap that needs to go inside for testing
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# [23:28] <froydnj> bz, khuey: any idea why thrown errors from JS would be winding up in a context using nsFrameMessageManager.cpp:ContentScriptErrorReporter vs. NS_ScriptErrorReporter (the latter of which is set by nsJSContext)?
# [23:28] <@khuey> smaug: ^
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# [23:28] <ekr> what's the other crap?
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# [23:30] <@bz> froydnj: is the script being called on the JSContext of the message manager?
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# [23:30] <@khuey> ekr: whatever test code needs symbols that aren't exposed from libxul
# [23:31] <ekr> ok, so the idea is that we would build a second copy of libxul that also included all of our tests as individual classes/functions?
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# [23:31] <ekr> and then link that copy into a binary that invoked the tests?
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# [23:32] <@khuey> ekr: I don't know about "link that copy into a binary that invoked the tests"
# [23:32] <froydnj> bz: presumably? I don't know why it would be, though. what is the message manager?
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# [23:32] <@khuey> ekr: I think it more likely we'd have a separate executable, similar to xpcshell, that fires up libxul and xpcom and then calls some exposed function to run the tests
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# [23:33] <@smaug> hmm, who added nsFrameMessageManager.cpp:ContentScriptErrorReporter
# [23:33] <@smaug> perhaps jdm
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# [23:37] <ekr> khuey: I'm not sure I understand the startup sequence well enough to make sense of that. is there some good reading to help me get up to speed?
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# [23:39] <@khuey> ekr: look at some of our existing compiled tests
# [23:40] <@khuey> e.g. content/base/test/TestNativeXMLHttpRequest.cpp
# [23:40] <@khuey> there's a ScopedXPCOM helper that does most of the work
# [23:40] <@bz> froydnj: it's the thing that handles some sort of message-passing from chrome to content
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# [23:41] <@bz> froydnj: how is this script running?
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# [23:42] <froydnj> bz: from mochitest's SimpleTest.executeSoon
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# [23:43] <froydnj> bz: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=637685&action=edit for changes made in context of bug 715376
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# [23:43] <ekr> khuey: ok, I'll take a look, thanks.
# [23:45] <@smaug> froydnj: hey, do you push null to cx stack when you call runnable::run
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# [23:45] * @smaug doesn't know when GlobalEventQueue::Run() is called
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# [23:46] <froydnj> smaug: no, I don't; GlobalEventQueue::Run is called from the event loop
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# [23:47] <froydnj> but GlobalEventQueue::Run doesn't do a whole lot, so it doesn't seem to me like I'd need to futz with JSContexts there
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# [23:48] <@smaug> froydnj: ok. I was thinking if GlobalEventQueue::Run was called also in some other case
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# [23:49] <@smaug> when event loop runs, xpconnect ends up pushing null to js context stack
# [23:49] <@smaug> (and sounds like you end up getting wrong cx somehow)
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# [23:51] <bholley> khuey: yt?
# [23:52] <@khuey> yes
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# [23:52] <bholley> khuey: can you help me out on the "is it guaranteed" part of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754202#c74
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# [23:52] <@khuey> bholley: I don't know for sure, but I doubt it
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# [23:53] <bholley> khuey: what's the recommended way to deal with this?
# [23:53] <@smaug> bholley: if you can't use enum, perhaps PRUin8 ?
# [23:53] <@smaug> PRUint8
# [23:53] <@khuey> bholley: bitfields, manual packing, etc
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# [23:53] <@bz> froydnj: looking
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# [23:54] <@bz> I'd appreciate a full C++ stack if you have one
# [23:54] <bholley> smaug: ok, I'll do that
# [23:54] <bholley> smaug, khuey: thanks
# [23:55] <froydnj> bz: a full stack for which part?
# [23:55] <@bz> froydnj: the part where the error reporter gets called
# [23:55] <froydnj> bz: sure, one sec
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# [23:56] <cpeterson> Has anyone seen debug crashes today that look like "###!!! ABORT: clamped(): max must be greater than or equal to min: 'max >= min'"? I see these frequently on Android with no local code changes to m-c.
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# [23:58] <@smaug> cpeterson: haven't seen. stack?
# [23:59] <cpeterson> smaug, unfortunately, gdb isn't giving me very good stacks on Android. I'll try again.
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