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  23. # [00:13] <devd> geekboy: there are some random oranges, but going into the details I don't think they are my fault
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  54. # [00:38] <sewardj> BenWa: still around?
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  58. # [00:41] <@ehsan> sewardj: he's not :)
  59. # [00:42] <@ehsan> sewardj: anything I can help you with?
  60. # [00:43] <sewardj> ehsan: yes, i think so. I am trying to build SPS using the builtin libunwind on x86_64, as a starting point
  61. # [00:43] <sewardj> and did a bit of build system hacking
  62. # [00:43] <sewardj> but am getting a link failing in a strange way
  63. # [00:44] <@ehsan> sewardj: what does it look like?
  64. # [00:44] <@ehsan> wait a sec, are you targeting arm?
  65. # [00:44] <sewardj> ehsan: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1684492
  66. # [00:45] <sewardj> ehsan: no, building on x86_64 for x86_64
  67. # [00:45] <@ehsan> hrm, that's weird, what does your mozconfig look like?
  68. # [00:45] <@ehsan> sewardj: fwiw, I have only tried libunwind on arm, and afaik you're the first person trying it on x86-64
  69. # [00:46] <@ehsan> but this error should not be relevant...
  70. # [00:47] <@ehsan> sewardj: I think this might be your problem: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/tools/profiler/TableTicker.cpp#622
  71. # [00:47] <@ehsan> sewardj: drop the ANDROID there and see if it fixes it
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  73. # [00:48] <sewardj> ehsan: hmm, thanks. i might try that.
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  75. # [00:56] <sewardj> ehsan: so .. I can drop the ANDROID, no problem
  76. # [00:56] <@ehsan> ok cool
  77. # [00:56] <sewardj> ehsan: but i need a way to distinguish now the arm case from the x86_64 case
  78. # [00:56] <@ehsan> yep :)
  79. # [00:56] <sewardj> because those "REPLACE_REG" assignments need to be different on x86_64
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  83. # [00:59] <@ehsan> sewardj: make it conditional on __arm
  84. # [00:59] <@ehsan> I mean technically that code is broken for android x86 too...
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  90. # [01:04] <devd> bz: YES! My patch actually wasn't working, my tests were wrong and made me think it was. This makes me happy: I think I might have actually understood something today
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  93. # [01:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e39327aa16e3 - Ehsan Akhgari - Remove the trailing semicolon after function definition in order to silence clang warnings; (no bug, DONTBUILD)
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  97. # [01:12] <biesi> man, I need a weekend. I saw ANDROID in scrollback and was wondering "AND what?"
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  101. # [01:14] <mbrubeck> ROID
  102. # [01:14] <@ehsan> espindola: ted is going on vacation :( (regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=638034&action=edit)
  103. # [01:14] <ketas> android rage
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  105. # [01:14] <ketas> biesi: &&ROID
  106. # [01:14] <biesi> haha
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  108. # [01:15] <ketas> if (Google && ROID)
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  128. # [01:35] <bsmith_> what does "a;r" mean on tbpl?
  129. # [01:35] <bsmith_> "get out of jail free?"
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  131. # [01:36] <jhammel> android; restarted iirc
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  133. # [01:37] <bsmith_> thanks jhammel
  134. # [01:38] <jhammel> what it really means is that TBPL needs a button/color/something that will mean this but with a more informative message
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  137. # [01:38] <bsmith_> I got to say, the android test failures are all just a mystery to me as far as starring them. I feel like I'm reduced to simply waiting to philor or edmorley to star them all before I push to m-c. Any tips?
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  145. # [01:45] <mccr8> bsmith_: Android failures are incomprehensible unless you are philor. And I think even he has given up assigning weird failures bugs. On try I just retrigger them until they go green and hope for the best when I land...
  146. # [01:46] <cpeterson> 'Roid rage?
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  148. # [01:47] <cpeterson> I just pulled m-i and get this compile error on Android: inbound/js/src/jsscript.h:925: error: size of array 'moz_static_assert91' is negative
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  150. # [01:50] <dholbert> cpeterson, looks like you want to talk to luke, based on http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/filelog/tip/js/src/jsscript.h
  151. # [01:50] <cpeterson> thanks, dholbert
  152. # [01:50] <dholbert> cpeterson, or dvander`home
  153. # [01:50] <dholbert> np
  154. # [01:51] <cpeterson> this static_assert has a comment saying, "If this fails, add/remove padding within JSScript."
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  201. # [02:46] <philor> bsmith_: well, if you just absolutely have to push to m-c instead of m-i, probably the best tip is to follow the lead of the other two people who insist on doing all their pushing to m-c no matter how much more expensive it is and how annoying it is for people managing branches - just pretend there are no rules
  202. # [02:46] <philor> push on unstarred failure, ignore your own failures, push just before going to bed, basically pretend it's inbound
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  205. # [02:48] <catlee-away> I sense some subtle hidden meaning buried in there somewhere....
  206. # [02:49] <bsmith_> philor: In their defense, it is basically impossible to follow the m-c rules. Takes forever for tests to complete and there's always unstarred orange
  207. # [02:49] <bsmith_> or purple or whatever
  208. # [02:49] <@dolske> that's why we have inbound! ;)
  209. # [02:49] <Waldo> ^ word to your mother
  210. # [02:49] <Waldo> (hai dolske's mother!)
  211. # [02:50] <@dolske> Waldo: just for that, you can't have any bacon popcorn
  212. # [02:50] <Waldo> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  213. # [02:50] <@dolske> Waldo: turn around
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  218. # [02:56] <philor> khuey: you have unstarred, unfiled, no-intermittent orange on mozilla-central
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  222. # [02:57] <bsmith_> I don't know if things have improved recently, but the reason I prefer to push to m-c is because I was getting bug reports like "hey, we're blaming you for this bug because it was in the same unbound -> central merge so prove it's not your fault YOU ARE GUILTY WE KNOW IT"
  223. # [02:58] <bsmith_> (paraphrased)
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  262. # [03:43] <@khuey> philor|away: looking
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  266. # [03:47] <mbrubeck> bsmith_: You'll still get automated regression emails, but it'll be "you are responsible for this regression because it was in the same central -> inbound merge"
  267. # [03:47] <mbrubeck> also central -> fx-team, etc. :/
  268. # [03:47] * philor|away is now known as philor
  269. # [03:47] <mbrubeck> bsmith_: I filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752002 to stop sending those messages for big merges
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  271. # [03:48] <bsmith_> mbrubeck: the problem isn't with the automated mail, but it seems like when QA and others do regression ranges, they stop at the inbound -> central merges instead of bisecting them
  272. # [03:48] <mbrubeck> hmm
  273. # [03:48] <mbrubeck> We should teach them not to do that.
  274. # [03:49] <mbrubeck> Also we should use a VCS that's smarter about bisecting into merges. :7
  275. # [03:49] <mbrubeck> ^ trollface emoticon
  276. # [03:49] <bsmith_> Yes, was about to say that too
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  279. # [03:50] <mbrubeck> I disagree that it's impossible to follow the m-c landing rules though. I have followed them for >2 years now, and I still push to m-c regularly (mostly backouts and merges).
  280. # [03:50] * bsmith_ now wonders how to get hg to bisect merges
  281. # [03:50] <mbrubeck> You just have to have an unhealthy obsession with TBPL. :P
  282. # [03:51] <bsmith_> mbrubeck: the main difficulty I have is with the christmas tree that is android
  283. # [03:51] <@khuey> what's the quickest way to disable a test only on android?
  284. # [03:52] <bsmith_> pretty esay to star the rest of the oranges but I'm not sure how to go about finding or filing a reasonable bug for red or blue or purple drink on android
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  286. # [03:52] <bsmith_> seems like I can add a comment "a; r" and that's good enough but I don't know if only philor gets to do that
  287. # [03:53] <@khuey> mbrubeck: do you know?
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  289. # [03:55] <philor> khuey: mxr, find android.json
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  291. # [03:55] <@khuey> ah
  292. # [03:55] <philor> the reasons aren't actually used or enforced
  293. # [03:56] <philor> but you probably want to use an existing one, rather than adding "BECAUSE_IT_SUCKS"
  294. # [03:56] <@khuey> heh
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  297. # [03:56] <@khuey> "FUCK_IF_I_KNOW_BUT_IM_NOT_DEBUGGING_IT_AT_7_PM_ON_A_FRIDAY"
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  300. # [03:58] <philor> conveniently, TIMED_OUT features prominently
  301. # [03:58] <@khuey> indeed
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  303. # [03:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/eb59a7e6d101 - Kyle Huey - No bug: disable this test on Android until we can debug it.
  304. # [04:00] <philor> bsmith_: one of the expanded meanings of a;r is "as far as I can tell, this is one of the dozens of android bugs I've filed and then pasted logs into over a thousand times, but in any case I'm; remaining awake until 1 am like I do every single night, so I'll have a chance to see what happens on my retrigger"
  305. # [04:00] <philor> you're welcome to use that one ;)
  306. # [04:00] * @khuey files bug 769877 on reenabling
  307. # [04:01] <bsmith_> philor: why do you find people's landing things on m-c to be inconvenient for branch maintainers? just merge conflicts?
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  311. # [04:02] <philor> bsmith_: that's the least of it - say you maintain fx-team, and you want to merge from m-c, and then merge to it, but someone, let's call him khuey, pushed an untested patch to m-c, and it hadn't shown its brokenness yet
  312. # [04:02] <philor> so you merge him to fx-team, and wait to see that fx-team still builds against m-c tip
  313. # [04:03] <philor> but it doesn't, because he broke it
  314. # [04:04] <@khuey> yeah that khuey guy is a jerk
  315. # [04:04] <philor> so you chase him down, because he doesn't watch the tree, and get him to fix or back out, and you merge to fx-team again, and then you're ready to merge to m-c, but then someone else pushes to m-c, and you have to merge your merge, and merge your merge when someone else pushes to m-c, and merge again, and pretty soon your testing that you build against m-c has gotten outdated
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  317. # [04:04] <philor> the reason inbound exists is not so that people can push and run, that's just the way to persuade people to use it
  318. # [04:05] <philor> it exists because people merging to m-c needed to devote most of a day to it, if they didn't just scumbag merge
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  320. # [04:07] <bsmith_> philor: I guess it's mostly a problem where the person who causes a problem isn't the one that pays for it
  321. # [04:08] <bsmith_> pretty clearly, it's in my own best interest to push to m-c because then I know m-c is closer to what I just pushed to try and I don't have to worry that my change will get backed out because it got pushed around the same time as somebody else's change
  322. # [04:08] <bsmith_> and I know when it will "stick"
  323. # [04:08] <philor> tragedy of the commons
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  325. # [04:09] <bsmith_> so, the way I always looked it was "as long as I'm really careful to not break the tree then no harm, no foul"
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  327. # [04:10] <philor> other than the harm that when you push to m-c, you get a double set of builds and tests because of the (no-)profiling branch
  328. # [04:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/df25da024956 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out e8bab55ac425 for not compiling
  329. # [04:10] <@khuey> woah
  330. # [04:11] <@khuey> firebot announced m-i now?
  331. # [04:11] <firebot> khuey: Sorry, I've no idea what 'announced m-i now' might be.
  332. # [04:11] <philor> and the harm that if you push during a busy time of the day, but when there aren't other pushes on m-c, we have to do every single test on your push, while on inbound some of them will be coalesced with later pushes, and we'll only retrigger them on yours if something goes wrong and we can't tell who started it
  333. # [04:11] <Wolf> yup. after a year I finally fixed Bug 663348 (which was a 5 minute trivial config change, doh)
  334. # [04:12] * aki is now known as aki|backjuly9
  335. # [04:12] <philor> so during the US daytime, figure it's about 2.5 times as expensive to push to m-c, if you don't count the expense that using more test slaves means fewer doing try jobs, so you have more engineers having sword fights and shouting "Waiting for Try!" when someone calls them on it
  336. # [04:13] <bsmith_> philor: ignorance is (was) bliss, I guess
  337. # [04:13] <bsmith_> From my perspective, everything takes forever no matter what I do
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  339. # [04:16] <Wolf> khuey: yup.. (and mozilla-beta, comm-beta, etc.. in relevant places.. hopefully..)
  340. # [04:17] <philor> yep, it's like recycling - you're not going to see more trees growing outside your window when you get back from dropping off the newspapers, you're only going to see them after a while when everyone drops off their newspapers
  341. # [04:17] <Wolf> and he will now leave electrolysis alone.. heh
  342. # [04:17] <philor> but what if felipe pushes there? :)
  343. # [04:17] * Wolf wonders what alder is though,
  344. # [04:17] <Wolf> philor: nobody has since 2011, they'll live. :-)
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  346. # [04:17] <philor> Alder's WebRTC, isn't it?
  347. # [04:18] <Wolf> ah, so that'd explain why it does to #media
  348. # [04:18] <Wolf> s/does/goes/
  349. # [04:18] <Wolf> I'm so hoplessly out of the loop these days.. heh.
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  351. # [04:21] <philor> not surprising - I'm here all day every day, and things are always coming up that someone's been working on for 6 months that I've never heard of
  352. # [04:22] <bsmith_> philor: thanks for the explanation. I think there's probably a few people who, like me, just thought inbound exists because philikon was pissed that too many people kept khueying m-c so we couldn't land patches
  353. # [04:22] <Wolf> try being away for 12+ months. heh
  354. # [04:23] <Wolf> I think Fx 3.5 was still new last I paid close attention to things around here.
  355. # [04:24] <philor> wow, a single-digit version number?
  356. # [04:24] <Wolf> yup
  357. # [04:24] <Wolf> with a decimal even
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  363. # [04:29] * philor settles in with his 39 unstarred Android failures on inbound
  364. # [04:29] <philor> wonder whether there's a public Mobile Safari test waterfall
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  367. # [04:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d9f7fb55226 - Luke Wagner - Bug 769743 - simplify ScopedCoordinate::slot and fix names (r=dvander)
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  376. # [04:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/9544f55597a8 - seabld - Added tag SEAMONKEY_2_11b4_RELEASE for changeset FIREFOX_14_0b10_BUILD1. CLOSED TREE a=release
  377. # [04:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0a9c60b27657 - seabld - Added tag SEAMONKEY_2_11b4_BUILD1 for changeset FIREFOX_14_0b10_BUILD1. CLOSED TREE a=release
  378. # [04:52] <@khuey> That's interesting
  379. # [04:52] <@khuey> FIREFOX-14_0b10_BUILD1 is a changeset?
  380. # [04:53] <darktrojan> apparently
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  382. # [04:54] <darktrojan> it's got the same numbering as fennec betas so it's probably just a leftover from that
  383. # [04:55] <@khuey> I was referring more to the using the tag name as the changeset
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  385. # [04:56] <darktrojan> hg would accept it
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  417. # [05:38] <@bz> \o/
  418. # [05:38] <@bz> mattwoodrow landed
  419. # [05:38] <@bz> roc: so efaust has been doing some ass-kicking on DOM binding stuff on the JS side
  420. # [05:39] <@roc> we'll see how this landing goes
  421. # [05:39] <@bz> heh
  422. # [05:39] <@roc> I've followed a bit of what efaust is doing
  423. # [05:39] <espadrine_> bz: did you test efaust's patch? how does it compare to chrome's dom bindings?
  424. # [05:40] <@bz> espadrine_: I tested an intermediate version
  425. # [05:40] <@bz> espadrine_: compiling the current one now
  426. # [05:40] <@roc> what's the bug#?
  427. # [05:40] <espadrine_> it looks really good anyway!
  428. # [05:40] <@bz> espadrine_: we kick chrome's butt on mac even without efaust's patches
  429. # [05:40] <espadrine_> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747288
  430. # [05:40] <@bz> espadrine_: Safari are the people to beat. ;)
  431. # [05:40] <espadrine_> ok ^^
  432. # [05:41] <@bz> espadrine_: (on my silly getter test, we're at 165 without his patch, chrome at 240, safari at 90)
  433. # [05:41] <espadrine_> wow, safari really is good here
  434. # [05:41] <@bz> of course if you try to go cross-compartment I bet it gets pretty sadmaking
  435. # [05:41] <@bz> well, to some extent they cheat
  436. # [05:41] <@bz> efaust just enabled us to effectively cheat the same way
  437. # [05:42] <espadrine_> they use some type-inference-based analysis too?
  438. # [05:42] <@bz> they don't put the properties on the proto
  439. # [05:42] <@bz> and don't allow script to get direct access to the accessors
  440. # [05:42] <espadrine_> oh, ok
  441. # [05:42] <@bz> which means they can assume that if the accessor is called at all it's got the right kind of object
  442. # [05:43] <@bz> more or less like JSPropertyOp
  443. # [05:43] <@bz> Except I believe our JSPropertyOp would get called for things which stick the DOM node on its proto chain...
  444. # [05:43] <@bz> and I think theirs do not
  445. # [05:43] <@bz> based on what the c++ code looks like
  446. # [05:43] <@bz> anyway
  447. # [05:44] <@bz> if efaust's thing stabilizes....
  448. # [05:44] <@bz> I can probably common up a bunch of codegen stuff
  449. # [05:44] <@bz> if we need to reduce codesize
  450. # [05:44] <@bz> which we might need to. ;)
  451. # [05:45] <@bz> e.g. the binding for CSS2Properties is 15k loc
  452. # [05:45] <espadrine_> yes, it's getting pretty big!
  453. # [05:45] <@roc> eep
  454. # [05:45] <@bz> well, generated code
  455. # [05:45] <@bz> I mean..
  456. # [05:46] <@roc> yes, but it has an impact
  457. # [05:46] <@bz> yeah
  458. # [05:46] <@bz> so this one is worse than most
  459. # [05:46] <@bz> because there are 239 properties
  460. # [05:46] <@bz> each with a getter and setter
  461. # [05:46] <@bz> And I don't have the getters marked infallible yet
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  463. # [05:47] <@bz> because the patch to make that easy is still waiting on review...
  464. # [05:47] <@bz> So we get things like this:
  465. # [05:47] <@bz> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1684810
  466. # [05:48] <@bz> whereas I think once it's marked infallible and efaust's stuff is working...
  467. # [05:48] <@bz> (and ion lands!)
  468. # [05:48] <@bz> we can do something more like this:
  469. # [05:49] <@bz> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1684811
  470. # [05:49] <@bz> (lag needed to do the editing, sorry)
  471. # [05:49] * @bz is pretty worried about new binding codesize, though
  472. # [05:49] <@bz> and PGO
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  474. # [05:50] <@roc> hum yes
  475. # [05:50] <@roc> we actually do want to PGO it
  476. # [05:50] <@bz> it would be desirable
  477. # [05:51] <@bz> we'll see how it goes
  478. # [05:51] <@bz> most things don't have this insane number of properties on them
  479. # [05:51] <@bz> e.g. the entire 2d canvas context is 3k loc
  480. # [05:51] <@bz> for the binding
  481. # [05:51] <@roc> why does reducing the code depend on Ion?
  482. # [05:52] <@bz> well, efaust's stuff only works with ion at the moment
  483. # [05:52] <@bz> we _could_ try backporting it to JM
  484. # [05:52] <@roc> so it would have to be ported to the interpreter and maybe JM as well?
  485. # [05:52] <@bz> well
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  487. # [05:52] * @bz is not sure
  488. # [05:52] <@bz> I should be clearer
  489. # [05:53] <@bz> interp and JM will work with no changes
  490. # [05:53] <@bz> just not as fast as now
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  492. # [05:53] <@bz> if I reduce the code as described
  493. # [05:53] <@bz> because what it would mean is that the UnwrapObject stuff would be in a common method
  494. # [05:53] <@bz> which would then call a function pointer for the real work
  495. # [05:54] <@bz> so it "depends" on ion in the sense that the fact that ion would normally not go through the slow path, so it's not terrible if the slow path is a tiny bit slower
  496. # [05:54] <@bz> Hmm
  497. # [05:54] <@bz> That sentence had some grammar issues. ;)
  498. # [05:54] <@bz> One other thing
  499. # [05:54] <@bz> Out of those 15k loc...
  500. # [05:55] <@bz> hmm
  501. # [05:55] <@bz> I guess most of it really is code
  502. # [05:55] <@bz> the data tables are only a few hundred lines
  503. # [05:56] * @bz wishes more of this stuff were infallible
  504. # [05:56] <@bz> anyway
  505. # [05:57] <@bz> we'll see how this stuff goes
  506. # [05:57] <@bz> btw, those numbers above
  507. # [05:57] <@bz> 240, 165, 90...
  508. # [05:58] <@bz> those were in tenths of a nanosecond per call
  509. # [05:58] <@bz> or rather per loop iteration of the little benchmark loop
  510. # [06:01] <@roc> nice
  511. # [06:01] <@bz> on 2.5-3GHz desktop intel hardware, obviously.. ;)
  512. # [06:01] <@bz> So who knows what it's like on ARM
  513. # [06:01] <@roc> we're just waiting for reviews now on the patches to use the Azure canvas everywhere
  514. # [06:01] <@bz> awesome
  515. # [06:02] <@bz> and then we can _remove_ code for once
  516. # [06:02] <@bz> btw
  517. # [06:02] <@bz> I do expect some code removal
  518. # [06:02] <@bz> e.g. the various xpidl gunk we no longer need....
  519. # [06:06] * @khuey should finish that patch to turn off quickstubs for xhr
  520. # [06:06] <@bz> yes, please!
  521. # [06:06] <@bz> and I'm still trying to get data on whether it's used in binary addons...
  522. # [06:06] <@bz> and if not, we can nuke the whole XPCOM interface
  523. # [06:07] <@bz> hurray!
  524. # [06:07] <@roc> it sure looks like turning on --enable-jemalloc halved my Firefox memory usage
  525. # [06:07] <@roc> RSS, that is
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  549. # [06:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0dd9559f15ff - Steve Fink - Bug 767141 - moar rooting. r=bhackett
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  552. # [06:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f15e352d4b4 - Steve Fink - Bug 767141 - Add a Rooted<Type> and use it to root some scary type manipulation. r=bhackett
  553. # [06:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d87f9f5d3c6 - Steve Fink - Bug 767141 - Implement AssertRootingUnnecessary guard. r=bhackett
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  555. # [07:05] * sawrubh wonders since when did fire-bot start announcing inbound changes as well
  556. # [07:08] <Wolf> sawrubh: bug 663348
  557. # [07:08] <Wolf> :-)
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  563. # [07:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/03549c72043d - Jeff Walden - Bug 769132 - Add a receiver argument to all the set-property APIs. r=luke
  564. # [07:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc305a9ac000 - Jeff Walden - Bug 757908 - Remove JSRESOLVE_DECLARING. r=dmandelin
  565. # [07:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b97cdd8008a0 - Jeff Walden - Bug 769040 - Remove JSACC_PARENT. r=dmandelin
  566. # [07:19] <philor> mattwoodrow: I think you crashed, in the heinous indexedDB/ipc tests
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  590. # [07:50] <@dolske> oh dear no
  591. # [07:50] <@dolske> that's Good Guy Greg!
  592. # [07:50] <@dolske> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/good-guy-greg
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  595. # [07:57] <@roc> philor: I'll look into it
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  597. # [08:00] <firebot> Check-in:
  598. # [08:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f08d285b63b0 - L. David Baron - Back out half of the previous patch for bug 709747, since the nsCOMPtr<nsISupports>::forget(nsISupports**) specialization is substantially different from nsCOMPtr<T>::forget(I**),
  599. # [08:00] <@bz_sleep> ok to check in to inbound?
  600. # [08:01] <firebot> and uses swap which already does the needed logging.
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  603. # [08:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/41412974ed77 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 768190. Don't allow [TreatNullAs] or [TreatUndefinedAs] on dictionary members. r=jlebar
  604. # [08:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/418f162dfd8e - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 767936. Use Element* as the cache key for CanvasImageCache. r=roc
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  608. # [08:14] <Waldo> a;r I guess
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  649. # [09:09] <sawrubh> I'm trying to convert a xpcshell test to a mochitest, should all mochitests be async, I mean how do we decide . This is the test that I'm trying to convert : http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/toolkit/mozapps/downloads/tests/unit/test_privatebrowsing_downloadLastDir.js.html?string=test_privatebrowsing_downloadLastDir.js
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  651. # [09:10] <sawrubh> Do we decide based on some params or metrics ?
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  665. # [09:33] <Waldo> hmm
  666. # [09:33] <Waldo> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?startID=11320&endID=11321 looks an awful lot like it ("they") may have triggered consistent Win M2 orange
  667. # [09:34] <Waldo> which would be kinda ugly to back out
  668. # [09:35] <Waldo> mattwoodrow: ^ ?
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  706. # [11:01] <@roc> I'm looking at it
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  721. # [11:25] <heycam> why is it that my gdb on mac doesn't know about nsGkAtoms?
  722. # [11:25] <heycam> (gdb) p nsGkAtoms
  723. # [11:25] <heycam> No symbol "nsGkAtoms" in current context.
  724. # [11:25] <heycam> it seems to know about most other things...
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  738. # [11:56] <sid0> hmm
  739. # [11:56] * sid0 wonders if there's a way to run a custom command on try after configure but before build
  740. # [11:59] <heycam> sid0, you could modify client.mk in your push to run whatever you want after configure is run
  741. # [12:00] <heycam> sid0, if I'm right, add it just after this line http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/client.mk#l310
  742. # [12:00] <Callek> sid0: if you need an OSX machine to toy with, we (RelEng) can get you one as well, fwiw ;-)
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  745. # [12:01] <Callek> sid0: if thats needed, starts with |Bug from dev requesting loaner (build or test slave, platform, bug this is being used to help with) | (in mozilla.org::Release Engineering)
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  747. # [12:01] <sid0> heycam: yes! that should work
  748. # [12:02] <sid0> thx
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  750. # [12:02] <heycam> sid0, I might be wrong about the line number btw, but you should be able to work it out
  751. # [12:02] <heycam> sid0, otoh I'm not sure how much the releng folks like people running arbitrary commands on the builders :)
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  753. # [12:03] <sid0> heycam: well, I'm going to be careful
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  755. # [12:03] <sid0> heycam: and indeed I'm at risk of losing my commit privs if I do something really wrong
  756. # [12:04] <sid0> :)
  757. # [12:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9feb8257666c - Peter Van der Beken - Fix for bug 762654 (Switch the Azure 2d canvas context to new DOM bindings). r=bz.
  758. # [12:05] * Callek stares at sid0's commit and wonders why he is running a botnet on try :-P
  759. # [12:05] * Callek jokes
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  764. # [12:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/46362775ce79 - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host linux-ix-slave12
  765. # [12:24] <sid0> heycam: well, looks like I won't need it. but thanks, I'm sure it'll come in handy at some point
  766. # [12:24] <heycam> sid0, np
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  808. # [13:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82a0b3fe9fa7 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 767734 - Give GetCanvasTM knowledge of what the request is for so it can do the right thing when SVG display lists are enabled. r=longsonr.
  809. # [13:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fed6b276ad32 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 732819 - "ASSERTION: don't think me need this any more" with font-size: 0. r=roc.
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  855. # [14:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9ae09d4f1d8 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 539356. Part 30: Call correct HasShadowManager method. Fixing Win mochitest-2 bustage. r=the-wind
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  863. # [14:45] <@roc> jwatt: I think you caused a reftest failure
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  865. # [14:50] <Ms2ger> roc, that appears somewhat plausible :)
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  868. # [14:50] <@roc> I hope I fixed the DLBI mochitest-2 failures
  869. # [14:51] <@roc> I'm going to bed, so if they aren't fixed, someone should back it out. Again.
  870. # [14:51] <Ms2ger> Good night
  871. # [14:51] * Ms2ger crosses fingers for dlbi
  872. # [14:53] <@roc> indexedDB test_ipc.html is evil because it exercises e10s on all platforms. AFAIK no other test does that.
  873. # [14:54] <Ms2ger> We do e10s? :)
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  875. # [14:55] <Ms2ger> jwatt, are you backing out?
  876. # [14:56] <@roc> B2G is e10s
  877. # [14:56] <Ms2ger> Is now or is planning to be?
  878. # [14:56] <@roc> I believe it is now
  879. # [14:56] <@roc> the browser that is
  880. # [14:57] <Ms2ger> Would be nice to exercise that code a bit, then :/
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  882. # [14:59] <@roc> yes, it's a good thing to exercise this code. It's a bit nasty to exercise it only in indexedDB tests
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  884. # [14:59] <jwatt> gah
  885. # [14:59] <jwatt> roc: looking
  886. # [14:59] <@roc> maybe not even nasty, but poorly labelled
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  888. # [15:00] <jwatt> oop
  889. # [15:00] <jwatt> s
  890. # [15:00] * jwatt fixes
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  892. # [15:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef04a2a3284e - Jonathan Watt - Bug 732819 followup - fix test. r=me.
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  901. # [15:25] <rumpel> would somebody be kind enough to explain me why do i get this error while compiling mozilla-centrall: Couldn't reserve space for cygwin's heap, Win32 error 0
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  908. # [15:34] <aleth> How do I get the coordinates of a CUL context menu? (in particular, where the opening click took place)
  909. # [15:34] <aleth> s/CUL/XUL
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  937. # [16:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82de1c252339 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 769119 - Treat null or undefined as an empty dictionary; r=sicking
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  960. # [16:34] <RyanVM> philor: want me to star m-c?
  961. # [16:35] <philor> RyanVM: sure, got a new abbreviation for "Android sucks syphilitic goats"?
  962. # [16:35] <RyanVM> hah
  963. # [16:37] <philor> awesomesauce, Waldo broke an Android XUL b-c test
  964. # [16:37] <RyanVM> I had to laugh, I never saw a crash on mobile Firefox until I upgraded to 14.0
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  974. # [16:46] <RyanVM> philor: are we really treated every instance of android "load failed: null" as a separate intermittent failure bug?
  975. # [16:46] <RyanVM> treating*
  976. # [16:47] <philor> RyanVM: at least for jsreftest, those morphed into one
  977. # [16:47] <philor> bug 720452
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  981. # [16:49] <philor> practically, we aren't treating them as anything - I think that morph was the only thing anyone has ever done about them
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  983. # [16:51] <sid0> rumpel: are you using Cygwin?
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  990. # [16:55] <RyanVM> philor: lulz at the m-c xp pgo m1 failure
  991. # [16:55] <RyanVM> "Your computer may be insecure" popup balloon
  992. # [16:55] <gfritzsche> hm, where do i find a (non-test) log for xpcshell-tests?
  993. # [16:55] <sid0> rumpel: or is that msys with the error
  994. # [16:55] <sid0> RyanVM: Huh
  995. # [16:56] <RyanVM> sid0: take a look at the screenshot from the log
  996. # [16:56] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=13128478&tree=Firefox
  997. # [16:56] <philor> RyanVM: I tried to blame releng for that once, but they claim it's always there and can't be affecting anything
  998. # [16:56] <RyanVM> from my xp slipstreaming/unattended setup days, I'm 99% sure that can be disabled via a registry key
  999. # [16:57] <sid0> RyanVM: oh dear, haha
  1000. # [16:57] <sid0> yes it can be disabled
  1001. # [16:57] <RyanVM> whatetver, I'm not filing a bug for that failure
  1002. # [16:57] <sid0> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307729
  1003. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, but could you file a bug for the balloon? :)
  1004. # [16:58] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: sure, why not
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  1007. # [16:59] <aceman> hi
  1008. # [16:59] <aceman> I get constant rebuilds of mozilla files even when nothing should have changed
  1009. # [17:00] <sid0> aceman: OS/compiler?
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  1011. # [17:00] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: if you can tell me what component RelEng is under
  1012. # [17:01] <Ms2ger> Mozilla Messaging
  1013. # [17:01] <Ms2ger> Er
  1014. # [17:01] <Ms2ger> mozilla.org
  1015. # [17:01] <aceman> sid0 linux/gcc 4.7.1
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  1017. # [17:01] <aceman> sid0: started just today
  1018. # [17:01] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: RelEng: Platform Support?
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  1020. # [17:01] <Ms2ger> sgtm
  1021. # [17:02] <sid0> aceman: so you mean running a make right after a build completes builds more files?
  1022. # [17:02] <aceman> sid0: it seems to only occur in mozilla-central files, nothing in thunderbird
  1023. # [17:02] <aceman> sid0: yes, it rebuilds some of the same files again
  1024. # [17:03] <sid0> strange
  1025. # [17:03] <sid0> file a bug listing a few examples and the m-c checkout you're dealing with?
  1026. # [17:03] <sid0> hrm
  1027. # [17:03] <aceman> first one that shows warnings at rebuild is jemalloc.c
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  1029. # [17:04] <aceman> ok
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  1031. # [17:05] <aceman> but first I downgrade to gcc 4.7.0 to see if that may be the problem (but it would be strange)
  1032. # [17:05] <sid0> hmm
  1033. # [17:05] <sid0> it's possible
  1034. # [17:05] <sid0> perhaps because deps aren't computed correctly or similar
  1035. # [17:06] <sid0> we use gcc to compute deps
  1036. # [17:06] <aceman> oh
  1037. # [17:06] <aceman> I though make should only influence that
  1038. # [17:06] <RyanVM> philor: are you backing Waldo out?
  1039. # [17:06] <aceman> which I didn't change
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  1041. # [17:06] <sid0> aceman: our build system would suck if we manually had to track deps for c/c++ files
  1042. # [17:07] <philor> RyanVM: nope, I'm working today, I've pretty much done what I can do for the morning already
  1043. # [17:07] <RyanVM> philor: ok
  1044. # [17:07] <RyanVM> i'll do it then
  1045. # [17:07] <sid0> aceman: well, it sucks already
  1046. # [17:07] <sid0> aceman: it would suck exponentially more
  1047. # [17:07] <aceman> ok
  1048. # [17:07] * sid0 ponders renaming his blog less-sucky
  1049. # [17:08] <aceman> I just see ccache has very high cache hit rate, as if all those rebuilt files didn't really change
  1050. # [17:08] <aceman> so something is wrongly giving them for rebuild
  1051. # [17:08] <sid0> ah
  1052. # [17:08] <sid0> oh boy, ccache :)
  1053. # [17:08] <aceman> bad? :)
  1054. # [17:08] <aceman> giving=submitting
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  1057. # [17:10] <sid0> aceman: well it's just additional complexity
  1058. # [17:10] <sid0> aceman: ccache has caused me problems in the past
  1059. # [17:10] <sid0> aceman: i don't use it on linux any more
  1060. # [17:11] <aceman> it does work for me fine so far
  1061. # [17:11] <aceman> but I am not sure if it helps any :)
  1062. # [17:11] <sid0> aceman: well last time i had to wipe out my entire cache
  1063. # [17:11] <sid0> turns out an entry was corrupt so the final binaries were also corrupt
  1064. # [17:11] <aceman> :)
  1065. # [17:12] <aceman> I've seen some corruption like that
  1066. # [17:12] <aceman> I attributed it to the kernel compressed file cache
  1067. # [17:12] <aceman> it stopped when I disabled that
  1068. # [17:12] <aceman> it failed at link
  1069. # [17:12] <sid0> hehe
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  1073. # [17:15] <aceman> so, building with 4.7.0 now, let's see
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  1075. # [17:15] <aceman> still some cache hits, but I wait for the second run
  1076. # [17:16] <aceman> (there can be hits even though the compiler changes as I have not cleared the cache when upgrading to 4.7.1 today)
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  1081. # [17:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8cc01c494f6a - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backout b97cdd8008a0, bc305a9ac000, and 03549c72043d due to Android browser-chrome orange.
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  1084. # [17:24] <RyanVM> oh my, firebot is watching inbound too now?
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  1087. # [17:30] <mbrubeck> That'll be interesting.
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  1092. # [17:34] <crypt> Hi .. can someone tell me how do i enable Firefox build to print the entire compiler and link commands while building ....
  1093. # [17:35] <sid0> crypt: it does so by default
  1094. # [17:35] <sid0> do you have -s set
  1095. # [17:35] <sid0> in make options
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  1097. # [17:35] <crypt> sid0: should this be in client.mk
  1098. # [17:36] <sid0> well
  1099. # [17:36] <sid0> there are several ways to do it
  1100. # [17:36] <sid0> (1) in ,mozconfig
  1101. # [17:36] <sid0> er, .mozconfig
  1102. # [17:36] <sid0> look for a -s there
  1103. # [17:36] <sid0> (2) if you run make -f client.mk -s build
  1104. # [17:36] <crypt> ah .. i see this : mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-s -j4"
  1105. # [17:36] <sid0> right
  1106. # [17:36] <sid0> so remove the -s
  1107. # [17:36] <sid0> you'll have to do a full rebuild
  1108. # [17:37] <crypt> cool .. i removed it . will do a new build
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  1113. # [17:40] <crypt> sid0: i am seeing compiler lines now .. thanks much for the tip ..
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  1126. # [18:03] <aceman> sid0: solved!
  1127. # [18:04] <aceman> sid0: going back to 4.7.0 works fine now
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  1130. # [18:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5d9924488dd2 - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 763848 - Companion test suite. r=khuey
  1131. # [18:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a52d79ad75da - Nicolas Silva - Bug 769294 - Fix crash when trying to dump layers in the console. r=joedrew
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  1133. # [18:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4dd209b82d90 - Tal Aloni - Bug 248239 - Change standards mode height calculations for table cells to use content-box sizing rather than border-box sizing by default (and to honor -moz-box-sizing,
  1134. # [18:11] <firebot> which we do not do in quirks mode). Also remove -moz-box-sizing: border-box from default style for caption element (all modes). r=dbaron
  1135. # [18:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b4f69c478fa - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 763848 - Expose the path to libxul at OS.Constants.Sys. r=khuey
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  1148. # [18:36] <RyanVM> philor: dammit, I'm not sure that Waldo was really at fault for the b-c orange
  1149. # [18:36] <RyanVM> i'm retriggering a bunch of runs
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  1153. # [18:44] <sid0> aceman: heh
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  1157. # [18:46] <aceman> sid0: what now? :)
  1158. # [18:47] <RyanVM> philor: indeed, just got the failure on an earlier push :(
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  1165. # [19:03] <mbrubeck> hrmph
  1166. # [19:03] <mbrubeck> we should just hide/disable XUL android. :/
  1167. # [19:04] <mbrubeck> unless the Windows 8 Metro folks think those tests are useful for them
  1168. # [19:04] <mbrubeck> Pretty sure we are never going to ship an Android XUL release again.
  1169. # [19:04] <aceman> can I get the directory from where the app was started via javascript?
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  1171. # [19:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4c2ddc60f360 - Jeff Walden - Bug 769132 - Add a receiver argument to all the set-property APIs. r=luke
  1172. # [19:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/abf333859c83 - Jeff Walden - Bug 769040 - Remove JSACC_PARENT. r=dmandelin
  1173. # [19:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db570d1247ee - Jeff Walden - Bug 757908 - Remove JSRESOLVE_DECLARING. r=dmandelin
  1174. # [19:05] <mbrubeck> aceman: Maybe with the nsIEnvironment service? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=nsIEnvironment
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  1176. # [19:06] <mbrubeck> env.get("PWD")
  1177. # [19:06] <mbrubeck> (does that work on Windows?)
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  1180. # [19:07] <aceman> I'd need a cross platform method ;)
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  1182. # [19:08] <aceman> what about the directory service?
  1183. # [19:09] <mbrubeck> When you say "directory from where the app was started" do you mean the working directory, or the directory where the app files are installed, or...?
  1184. # [19:10] <mbrubeck> (What do you want to do with that info?)
  1185. # [19:10] <aceman> where it is installed and run from
  1186. # [19:10] <aceman> not the profile (I already have that)
  1187. # [19:11] <aceman> (I want to prevent TB to store mail in there :))
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  1190. # [19:12] <mbrubeck> not sure
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  1193. # [19:13] <mbrubeck> I'm not sure such a thing is even possible in the general case, since the app consists of files that may be installed in multiple locations
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  1195. # [19:13] <aceman> multiple locations?
  1196. # [19:13] <mbrubeck> (e.g. on Linux it installs files in /etc, /usr/lib, /usr/share, /usr/bin)
  1197. # [19:14] <aceman> the main one would be enough
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  1199. # [19:14] <aceman> e.g. the one that the update mechanism updates
  1200. # [19:14] <aceman> and even replaces in the new silen t updates
  1201. # [19:14] <aceman> (yes, I think that is not in TB yet)
  1202. # [19:21] <sid0> aceman: dir service
  1203. # [19:21] <aceman> that is what I thought of but I do not know the magic keyword ;)
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  1205. # [19:22] <aceman> greD?
  1206. # [19:22] <sid0> aceman: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_nsIDirectoryService
  1207. # [19:23] <sid0> aceman: I think it's CurProcD
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  1209. # [19:24] <sid0> there's also UpdRootD
  1210. # [19:24] <aceman> ok, I'll peek what their values are and choose the good one, thanks a lot
  1211. # [19:24] <sid0> oh no that's different
  1212. # [19:24] <sid0> I'm pretty sure it's CurProcD, yeah
  1213. # [19:25] <sid0> maybe XCurProcD
  1214. # [19:25] <sid0> hmm
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  1217. # [19:25] <sid0> yeah, that seems like the right one. XCurProcD
  1218. # [19:26] <sid0> that's what the update service uses
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  1221. # [19:28] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: dunno
  1222. # [19:28] <RyanVM> looking likely to be from dlbi
  1223. # [19:28] <aceman> what is the difference?
  1224. # [19:28] <aceman> CurProcD seems to be correct
  1225. # [19:28] <jdm> woo, three hour flight delay
  1226. # [19:28] <aceman> XCurProcD is the temp dir for updated version?
  1227. # [19:29] <sid0> aceman: I really dont know
  1228. # [19:29] <aceman> ok
  1229. # [19:29] <RyanVM> jdm: east coast?
  1230. # [19:30] <jdm> RyanVM: seattle -> toronto
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  1232. # [19:33] <ekr> I'm looking at mozilla::RefCounted<> and it looks like it's not thread safe. Would it make sense to have some sort of thread-safe version of this?
  1233. # [19:33] <aceman> sid0: on my build all of CurProcD, XCurProcD, GreD return the same dir
  1234. # [19:34] <IanN> change directory and look at them when u start
  1235. # [19:36] <aceman> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/io/nsDirectoryServiceDefs.h
  1236. # [19:36] <aceman> I need to readd the descriptions ;)
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  1241. # [19:43] <jdm> ekr: if it's absolutely needed, then yes
  1242. # [19:43] <ekr> jdm: well, I'm using ref counted pointers in a context that isn't entirely thread safe.
  1243. # [19:44] <jdm> but I think there have been people who have thought long and hard for alternatives when the question has been raised before
  1244. # [19:44] <ekr> so it's either that or NS_IMPL...
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  1247. # [19:45] <ekr> Hmm… Is there some unobvious argument why it's bad to have thread safety here? Or is it just that people believe it's bad to have objects which can be de-ref-counted on multiple threads?
  1248. # [19:46] <philor> mbrubeck: b2g wants some of the XUL Android tests to still run, but probably not b-c, if you want to drop it
  1249. # [19:46] <philor> it's in a bug with a strange summary, something about default on try
  1250. # [19:47] <philor> bug 750285
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  1252. # [19:48] <sawrubh> jdm: Hi
  1253. # [19:48] <jdm> hey sawrubh
  1254. # [19:49] <jdm> ekr: it's more that thread-safe refcounting is an obvious performance hit
  1255. # [19:49] <jdm> it's usually better to avoid it when possible
  1256. # [19:49] <sawrubh> I'll now rewrite that patch from scratch for 722995, first I'll just now convert those concerned three xpcshell tests to mochitests and then post the patch soon
  1257. # [19:50] <jdm> sawrubh: sorry to keep making you jump through hoops for all these :/
  1258. # [19:50] <Ms2ger> ekr, there is a set of macros for threadsafe refcounting
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  1260. # [19:50] <ekr> Ms2ger: absolutely. But that's not what you get when you inherit from RefCounted<T>.
  1261. # [19:51] <Ms2ger> Right
  1262. # [19:51] * Ms2ger poofs
  1263. # [19:51] <sawrubh> I was converting today one of the download tests, and it uses a function : http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/xpcshell/head.js#727 I couldn't understand what's the need for that
  1264. # [19:51] <ekr> jdm: I guess this is a philosophical issue. I prefer to have stuff be safe by default and worry about performance if something turns out to be a hot spot
  1265. # [19:52] <sawrubh> coz it returns a nsILocalFile but that is not reveived by the test
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  1267. # [19:52] <sawrubh> http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/toolkit/content/tests/unit/test_privatebrowsing_downloadLastDir_c.js.html
  1268. # [19:52] <sawrubh> darktrojan is the author but he's not around
  1269. # [19:52] <jdm> sawrubh: it could be that a profile is necessary for certain methods that are called, but the test doesn't need to manipulate it at all
  1270. # [19:52] <sawrubh> s/reveived/received
  1271. # [19:53] <jdm> yes, I believe my explanation is correct
  1272. # [19:53] <jdm> specifically, the test relies on a TmpD directory being available
  1273. # [19:54] <sawrubh> since that test is in xpcshell head.js and automatically imported
  1274. # [19:54] <sawrubh> by all the tests, should I just copy paste
  1275. # [19:54] <sawrubh> the code and replicate it
  1276. # [19:54] <sawrubh> for my mochi ?
  1277. # [19:54] <jdm> I would say for now do that
  1278. # [19:54] <sawrubh> and then later file a bug for enhancement ;)
  1279. # [19:54] <jdm> I don't think we have any way of sharing code between test suites right now
  1280. # [19:55] <sawrubh> I'll mentor that enhancement patch :P
  1281. # [19:55] <jdm> heh
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  1285. # [19:58] <sawrubh> jdm: so you back in Toronto or Waterloo ?
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  1287. # [19:58] <jdm> sawrubh: nope, stuck in seattle for a few hours
  1288. # [19:59] <sawrubh> jdm: how did you end up in seattle :P
  1289. # [19:59] <sawrubh> connecting flight ?
  1290. # [19:59] <jdm> sawrubh: it's where my grandmother lived.
  1291. # [19:59] <sawrubh> ok
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  1295. # [20:02] <sid0> jdm: now that you're delayed, can you review/deploy my pull request to bugsahoy? :)
  1296. # [20:02] <jdm> oooh
  1297. # [20:02] <jdm> absolutely
  1298. # [20:03] <sid0> https://github.com/jdm/bugsahoy/pull/30#issuecomment-6685781
  1299. # [20:03] <sid0> um, ignore the anchor :/
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  1301. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> ekr, depends what you mean by "safe by default"...
  1302. # [20:07] <firebot> Check-in:
  1303. # [20:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d295ed03d7f - Ben Turner - Bug 758357: Only show prompt after 50mb of usage for now. Plan is to soon introduce a new service which allows us to remove "old" indexedDB databases and keep a global
  1304. # [20:07] <firebot> quota, but for now we simply remove the prompt. r=sicking
  1305. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> Threadsafe refcounting doesn't mean you can do anything useful with the object off the main thread
  1306. # [20:08] <ekr> It doesn't say anything about it one way or another
  1307. # [20:10] <sid0> jdm: thanks!
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  1309. # [20:10] <jdm> no, thank you :)
  1310. # [20:10] <Ms2ger> Who knows TestHarness.h?
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  1314. # [20:18] <RyanVM> philor: I'm going to call the b-c randomorange dlbi-caused
  1315. # [20:18] <Ms2ger> Noooooooooooooo
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  1317. # [20:21] <philor> mbrubeck: any objection to me hiding XUL b-c everywhere while we figure out whether we're tired of running it and want to shut it off?
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  1322. # [20:39] <zwol> ekr: there are literally thousands of classes in libxul that are never touched off the main thread
  1323. # [20:39] <zwol> ekr: in fact, that's the most common case, I think
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  1327. # [20:40] <ekr> zwol: Sure, but that doesn't mean that there would be a major performance hit from having them thread-safed.
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  1329. # [20:41] <ekr> zwol: More to the point, I'm not arguing that RefCounted<T> should be thread-safe by default, but rather that there should be a thread-safe variant to match the existing thread safe NS_IMPL macros
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  1331. # [20:41] <zwol> Considering what you have to do for thread-safe refcounting, I feel pretty confident saying yes, there would be a major performance hit.
  1332. # [20:41] <zwol> However, yeah, please do make ThreadsafeRefCounted<T>.
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  1335. # [20:41] <zwol> less NS_ macro crap = good.
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  1337. # [20:42] <ekr> I concur with that.
  1338. # [20:43] <zwol> People will still probably want you to justify each case where it gets used, but it's worth having around for the cases where it's really necessary.
  1339. # [20:43] <ekr> FWIW, both boost::shared_ptr<> and std::tr1::shared_ptr<> are by default thread-safe in this sense, and on intel they are lock-free. [Note that this doesn't mean that they are equally fast, of course.]
  1340. # [20:43] <ekr> Why do you think there is a performance hit? Intel, at least, has atomic test-and-set.
  1341. # [20:44] <ekr> If you're actually touching the object in multiple threads you will of course have cache issues, but if you're not...
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  1351. # [20:57] <RyanVM> sweet, bent has new orange
  1352. # [20:57] <ketas> is there any good single page browser made with xulrunner?
  1353. # [20:58] <ketas> actually googling already got me some examples i can hack with
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  1355. # [20:58] <RyanVM> sicking: ping
  1356. # [20:58] <sicking> RyanVM: pong
  1357. # [20:59] <RyanVM> sicking: looks like you've got new orange
  1358. # [20:59] <RyanVM> take a look at teh screenshot
  1359. # [20:59] <RyanVM> it's popping up a dropdown during the test
  1360. # [21:00] <sicking> ooh, i bet i know why it's doing that
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  1365. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> sicking, take my patch already, I had to fight CVS over it
  1366. # [21:01] <sicking> Ms2ger: ??
  1367. # [21:02] <Ms2ger> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17656
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  1370. # [21:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6763477075a4 - Jonas Sicking - Attempt at fixing orange due to setting wrong permission in test. Bug 758357
  1371. # [21:08] <sicking> Ms2ger: oh, i'll look at it soon or make sure that arun does so. Sorry, busy with goals and b2g this week
  1372. # [21:10] <jdm> sawrubh: ping
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  1376. # [21:16] <jdm> sawrubh: commented in the bug; nevermind.
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  1384. # [21:36] <RyanVM> well, I think it's about time DLBI was merged to m-c
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  1386. # [21:40] <RyanVM> sicking: looks like the follow-up worked. thanks for the quick response
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  1390. # [21:51] <jdm> bz_sleep: the webidl bindings doc is well put together
  1391. # [21:51] <jdm> congrats
  1392. # [21:52] <jwatt> RyanVM: what's the story on the Talos results for DLBI?
  1393. # [21:53] <RyanVM> jwatt: there were comments made in the bug about expected regressions
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  1396. # [21:53] <jwatt> RyanVM: I didn't look closely, but it seemed there were more than the comments expected
  1397. # [21:54] <jwatt> good if that's not the case
  1398. # [21:54] <RyanVM> comments were non-specific
  1399. # [21:54] <RyanVM> "Note that we are still expecting some Talos regressions with this, notably SVG and scrolling (on non-accelerated layer managers)."
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  1401. # [21:54] <jwatt> "SVG and scrolling" seemed specific :)
  1402. # [21:55] <RyanVM> I read that as those two being the most obvious, but not ruling out others too
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  1408. # [22:08] <jwatt> RyanVM: fair enough
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  1420. # [22:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/38c2df3ae405 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 769902 - Avoid unnecessary precision issues in nsSVGUtils::ObjectSpace. r=longsonr.
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  1457. # [23:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3b62d36c68c5 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 758034 - Avoid compartment changed GC resets (r=smaug)
  1458. # [23:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7c6e0423400e - Bill McCloskey - Bug 758034 - Add new JS APIs for GC (r=terrence)
  1459. # [23:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa36c61ce4c8 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 758034 - Clean up browser GC API (r=smaug)
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  1475. # [23:55] <RyanVM> jwatt: ping
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  1478. # [23:58] <aleth> Can someone please help me find the chrome URL for the menupopup XBL, so I can extend it? (can find menuitem, but not menupopup, for some reason)
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