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# Session Start: Thu Jul 12 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:00] <catlee> ah, apparently not :)
# [00:00] <rstrong> catlee: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711811#c5
# [00:01] <rstrong> nthomas: that is somewhat of a pie in the sky bug if you are referring to creating omni.ja at install time
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# [00:01] <rstrong> so, likely at build time but no effort has been put into it and I think we should just go with an uncompressed zip file with readahead magic
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# [00:03] <catlee> rstrong: using bsdiff against the omni.ja from 12.0/13.0.1 re-compressed with -r0 yields a patch file of 1.1MB
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# [00:04] <catlee> the patch file doesn't compress well
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# [00:05] <rstrong> catlee: so reduced from 3,471,633 to 1.1 MB
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# [00:05] <catlee> rstrong: right
# [00:05] <catlee> 1083179 after bz2 compression
# [00:05] <rstrong> also, reduced from 1,361,770 bytes to 1.1 MB per https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772868#c0
# [00:06] <catlee> yep
# [00:06] <rstrong> and we should be able to reduce further with 7-Zip
# [00:06] <catlee> not really
# [00:06] <catlee> -rw-r--r-- 1 catlee catlee 1078032 Jul 11 17:55 omni-r0.patch.xz
# [00:06] <rstrong> catlee: not really regarding 7-Zip?
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# [00:07] <catlee> yeah, compressing the resulting patch with xz doesn't make it much smaller
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# [00:08] <catlee> however
# [00:08] <rstrong> I bet there is a way to take advantage of 7-zip where we could get smaller mars but to be honest, there are too many other things to work on at this time
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# [00:08] <catlee> inside the complete mar it makes a big differece
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# [00:08] <sawrubh> ehsan: ping
# [00:09] <rstrong> I wonder if we compressed all the files at once using 7-Zip wouldn't decrease the size
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# [00:09] <rstrong> vs. individually... I don't actually wonder. It will but it is a significant rewrite
# [00:09] <catlee> omni.ja is 6962588 compressed inside the complete mar. omni.ja.xz is 4405396 bytes (zip has 0 compression)
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# [00:10] <catlee> interesting that zip with no compression generates a much smaller patch that comparing the individual files
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# [00:11] <sawrubh> ehsan: I was thinking of sleeping, so should I just make that change of "gDownloadLastDirFileStatus = false" and ask for review again or wait for you to talk to Josh and maybe you can comment on the bug, regarding the further course of action ?
# [00:11] <catlee> using bz2 instead is 5507069 for the complete
# [00:11] <rstrong> the double compression with the first not being as efficient will cause that
# [00:11] <rstrong> we saw the same thing with the installer.
# [00:11] <catlee> ah, yeah
# [00:11] <@ehsan> sawrubh: I'd say wait for jdm
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# [00:11] <sawrubh> ehsan: ok then, good night :)
# [00:12] <catlee> so not compressing omni.ja will result in smaller complete and partial mars
# [00:12] <@ehsan> cya
# [00:12] <rstrong> yep
# [00:12] <rstrong> and smaller installers as well
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# [00:12] <catlee> and requires no extra updater logic
# [00:12] <rstrong> correct
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# [00:13] <rstrong> I'm sold... hopefully everyone else is too! ;)
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# [00:13] <catlee> sounds good to me :)
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# [00:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fd0f3b5283d4 - Sankha Narayan Guria - Bug 770812 - Remove nsIEditorSupport; r=ehsan
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# [00:18] <qui> saug: i actually put firebug on to see what was taking up cpu (my hunch was jscript)
# [00:18] <qui> so the problem predates firebug
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# [00:22] <anant> how can I get a reference to a nsPIDOMWindow from a window ID?
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# [00:22] <anant> (as returned by nsPIDOMWindow->WindowID())
# [00:23] <sawrubh> ehsan: just had a chat and saw Josh's comment
# [00:23] <sawrubh> I think the "status = false" is ok
# [00:23] <@gavin> anant: nsGlobalWindow::GetOuterWindowWithId(aWindowID); gets you a nsGlobalWindow*
# [00:24] <sawrubh> ehsan: I'm going ahead with it, before sleeping :)
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# [00:25] <@gavin> which is a nsPIDOMWindow
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# [00:26] <@gavin> anant: note also GetInnerWindowWithId
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# [00:26] <anant> gavin: ah, awesome; thanks!
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# [00:26] <anant> I suppose I should QI the GlobalWindow to a PIDOMWindow if I want to use methods from the latter
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# [00:28] <@gavin> you should be able to just cast I think
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# [00:32] <anant> indeed, sweet
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# [00:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fad7d06d7dd5 - Brian Hackett - Add more rooting for interpreter, TI and JIT, bug 772303. r=terrence
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# [00:35] <_AtilA_> Hi!
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# [00:36] <_AtilA_> I'm just curious, What IDE do you use for programing Gecko?
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# [00:38] <jcranmer|away> vim
# [00:38] <jcranmer|away> emacs is also popular
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# [00:38] <jhammel> jcranmer|away++
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# [00:38] <jhammel> i want a shirt: "POSIX is my IDE"
# [00:39] <jcranmer> occasionally Visual Studio on Windows
# [00:39] <philor> sfink: you know
# [00:39] <sfink> oh crap
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# [00:40] <AutomatedTester> jhammel: take a leaf out of ednapiranha's book and make your own
# [00:40] <AutomatedTester> and then sell them
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# [00:40] <jcranmer> :-( @ android
# [00:40] <jcranmer> I want min-4.5 gcc
# [00:40] <jhammel> AutomatedTester: beh, that would involve effort ;)
# [00:40] <jhammel> firebot: make me a t-shirt
# [00:40] <firebot> jhammel: Sorry, I've no idea what 'make me a t-shirt' might be.
# [00:40] <jhammel> sorry, i meant
# [00:41] <jcranmer> because then we get lambdas!
# [00:41] <jhammel> firebot: sudo make me a t-shirt
# [00:41] <firebot> jhammel: Sorry, I've no idea what 'sudo make me a t-shirt' might be.
# [00:41] <jhammel> :/
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# [00:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c4f0151df881 - Steve Fink - Backed out changeset d99d8b4d0eeb (bug 769192) for mochitest-3 bustage
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# [00:44] <jhammel> l
# [00:45] <jhammel> er, yeah
# [00:45] <jhammel> this isn't my pdb session o_O
# [00:45] <sfink> is there a python debugger that's kind of like pdb but doesn't suck?
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# [00:45] <jhammel> sfink: what's wrong with pdb?
# [00:46] <sfink> other than the flakiness, I mostly miss emacs integration
# [00:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3d8c1913e669 - William Lachance - Bug 763497 - Always run standard commands through "su" with SUTAgent r=jmaher
# [00:46] <jhammel> eh, i could care less about that
# [00:47] <sfink> I like to the source code of what I'm debugging
# [00:47] <jhammel> my complaints about pdb are mostly: * no help() (wtf?) ; and * scope is weird
# [00:47] <sfink> s/to/to see/
# [00:47] <jhammel> sfink: that's why i typed 'l' ;)
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# [00:47] <Mook_as> sfink: you can always give komodo a spin ;)
# [00:47] <sfink> I had another major grievance, but I can't remember what it was
# [00:48] <sfink> Mook_as: I do that every 5 years or so. Hasn't stuck yet.
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# [00:48] <Mook_as> hopefully one day we'll be good enough for it to stick, then
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# [00:49] <sfink> oh, and want a 'continue to line N' option
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# [00:49] <sfink> and there's something rotten about pdb's filename handling
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# [00:55] <sfink> philor: what controls which builds are ignored? (require ?noignore=1). Seems like it's from the builders.hidden db field, but that's as far as I tracked it.
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# [00:56] <philor> sfink: I know where the UI is, if that's what you want to know ;)
# [00:56] <sfink> catlee, notphilor: ^
# [00:57] <catlee> I don't know
# [00:57] <sfink> maybe I can find a bug for moving a build over...
# [00:58] <philor> what's the question?
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# [00:58] <sfink> I want to unhide the spidermonkey root-analysis build
# [00:58] <jorendorff> that is the best question ever
# [00:59] <jorendorff> (not a joke)
# [00:59] <jorendorff> (possibly slight hyperbole in there though)
# [01:00] <philor> sfink: mechanically, tree admin panel in the tree info panel; socially, to unhide a build, step zero is that it must run on try
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# [01:00] <sfink> philor: ah, thanks. That even kinda makes sense.
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# [01:01] <philor> unhidden means it's tier 1 and you must immediately back out for any bustage and fix the bustage outside the tree, so really try+reasonable instructions on how to run it yourself
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# [01:03] <sfink> wow, finally realized you really were useful in the first place. I thought you meant the tbpl UI code for suppressing hidden builds, but there really is a spiffy tree admin panel that I'd never seen before.
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# [01:17] <philor> okay, who is leaking in mochitest-3 on Windows?
# [01:17] <mbrubeck> sfink looks like the winner
# [01:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99ce4d0052cc - Matt Brubeck - Bug 771525 - Back button should dismiss the Find In Page bar [r=bnicholson]
# [01:17] <mbrubeck> oh no, that's the other M3 orange
# [01:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ae98903e9a5 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 762309 - Show and hide the on-screen keyboard along with the Find In Page bar [r=bnicholson]
# [01:17] <mbrubeck> [PENDING BUILD] looks like the winner. :/
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# [01:19] <mbrubeck> BenWa, jlebar, and Callek are the contestants. FIGHT!
# [01:20] <Callek> mbrubeck: I'm a contestant, what do I get if I win
# [01:20] * Callek will just play possom if I don't like winning
# [01:20] <mbrubeck> You get backed out on inbound if you win.
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# [01:20] <Callek> mbrubeck: my patch is only affecting SeaMonkey/TB
# [01:20] <mbrubeck> (Callek's push looks pretty unlikely to cause mochitest leaks, though)
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# [01:21] <Callek> s/patch/push/
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# [01:21] <Callek> mbrubeck: also, I double-landed it, on central with DONTBUILD :-)
# [01:21] <Callek> (ooo and no-one pushed to central after me though)
# [01:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/61d879a04b01 - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 771727 - Block focus in tabs panel when it is hidden. r=sriram
# [01:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a2a27bb34f23 - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 771733 - Don't use plural tabs description in tabs button when only one tab exists. r=sriram
# [01:21] <mbrubeck> always fun when we have to back *those* ones out. :P
# [01:22] <philor> I like jlebar for it, I think
# [01:22] <jlebar> philor, After all I've done for you?
# [01:22] <Callek> mbrubeck: I landed it on inbound without DONTBUILD as an explicit "this does actually affect stuff, just not Firefox" landing, but I wanted to unblock TB/SeaMonkey *now*
# [01:23] <philor> though I could be persuaded to switch allegiance to BenWa
# [01:23] <mbrubeck> Callek: Yeah, it's not a problem. Just joking around...
# [01:23] <sriram> are we tablet ready yet??? http://cl.ly/1z1b2X161x3E2u1p1q0z
# [01:24] <sriram> noooooooooooooo… where is iaaaaaaaaannnnnnn???
# [01:24] <sriram> :(
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# [01:24] <mbrubeck> sriram: You two really need to coordinate your vacations... it's too painful to see you separated like this. :)
# [01:24] <sriram> :(
# [01:24] <sriram> i am leaving tomorrow night.. to palouse
# [01:25] <sriram> somewhat coinciding vacation :P
# [01:25] <mbrubeck> sriram: You're coming to WA?
# [01:25] <sriram> kind of yes..
# [01:25] <sriram> a short stay at seattle
# [01:25] <sriram> like 30 mins , to switch cars
# [01:25] <sriram> ;)
# [01:26] <sriram> am driving from SF to seattle..
# [01:26] <mbrubeck> cool! The weather's quite nice here, at least in the western part of the state. (Not sure what it's like over in Palouse.)
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# [01:26] <sriram> i heard its going to be good
# [01:26] <sriram> :)
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# [01:26] <sriram> the first question to my friends.. when they call me to seattle: "will it rain??"
# [01:26] <sriram> :P
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# [01:27] <sriram> this weekend falls in once of those 56 days of "no rain"
# [01:27] <sriram> yaaaayyy
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# [01:40] <philikon> jwir3: ping
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# [01:40] <jwir3> philikon: pong
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# [01:46] <philikon> jwir3: oh hey sorry got distracted
# [01:46] <jwir3> philikon: no worries. :)
# [01:46] <philikon> jwir3: i was wondering about bug 716575
# [01:47] <philikon> we would like to support <meta name=viewport> in b2g
# [01:47] <philikon> so we have the option of refactoring the fennec frontend code
# [01:47] <philikon> but if there's progress on your end, then maybe we don't have to
# [01:48] <jwir3> philikon: Well, so this is 50% done (approx).
# [01:48] <jwir3> philikon: Bug 706198 moved most of this over to platform
# [01:48] <philikon> and by moved you mean "copied", right? :)
# [01:48] <philikon> because right now i see a lot of duplication
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# [01:49] <jwir3> philikon: Basically, yes, with translation to C++. ;) But there are some things that weren't completed, since they weren't affecting layout of readability, which was our primary goal.
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# [01:49] <philikon> understood.
# [01:49] <philikon> b2g is unfortunately on a pretty tight timeline
# [01:50] <philikon> so we may have to do this in content-ish land first
# [01:50] <philikon> and then consolidate later
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# [01:50] <jwir3> philikon: Yeah. That's unfortunate, but I definitely understand. I'm not actively working it, if you're wondering that.
# [01:50] <philikon> right
# [01:50] <philikon> i got that impression ;)
# [01:51] <jwir3> :)
# [01:51] <philikon> and we kinda need something now-ish
# [01:51] <jwir3> well, the only barrier stopping me from doing this work is that I'm not 100% certain what all needs to be done.
# [01:51] <philikon> i see
# [01:51] <philikon> who is?
# [01:52] <jwir3> mbrubeck has a great handle on what is needed
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# [01:52] <philikon> ok
# [01:52] <philikon> mbrubeck: (hi!)
# [01:52] <jwir3> he's the one I sought for advice when I needed stuff moved over. If we can figure out what needs to be done, I'd be more than happy to do it for you guys.
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# [01:53] <philikon> jwir3: ok... that's great!
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# [01:53] <philikon> jwir3: i think given the timeframe, i will see if i can quickly make this work in content land so we definitely get this into b2g on time
# [01:53] <philikon> jwir3: and if we also manage to consolidate, even better
# [01:54] <jwir3> cool. yeah. that sounds good.
# [01:54] <mbrubeck> jwir3, philikon: I can totally help with that; I've been meaning to get back to it for a while.
# [01:54] <philikon> awesome. thanks!
# [01:54] <jwir3> you guys are on a super time crunch, so do what needs to be done. :)
# [01:54] <philikon> mbrubeck: <3
# [01:55] <mbrubeck> philikon: Is there a bug for the B2G work?
# [01:55] <philor> whee, back as far as jlebar, now if only I can get a non-coalesced run on BenWa...
# [01:55] <mbrubeck> Sorry about the lack of tests for the Fennec code, by the way - that's another thing I've been meaning to get to.
# [01:55] <philikon> mbrubeck: bug 746502
# [01:56] <mbrubeck> thanks
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# [02:01] <mbrubeck> philikon: Do an installed app run in an <iframe mozbrowser> on B2G?
# [02:01] <mbrubeck> s/Do/Does/
# [02:01] <philikon> correcto
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# [02:01] <BenWa> looks
# [02:01] <philikon> also, the browser app uses them for its tabs
# [02:02] <mbrubeck> Okay, so basically everything the user ever sees on the screen is inside an <iframe mozbrowser>?
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# [02:02] <philikon> mbrubeck: ish
# [02:02] <philikon> mbrubeck: the system app lives at the top level
# [02:02] <philikon> and it typically displays that little black bar at the top
# [02:02] <philikon> with the carrier name, signal strength, etc.
# [02:03] <mbrubeck> Your initial devices are HVGA at <200dpi, right? So you'll be using 1 hardware pixel per "px"?
# [02:03] <philikon> below it is an <iframe mozbrowser>
# [02:03] <philikon> that display swhatever app is running
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# [02:03] <philikon> mbrubeck: think so
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# [02:04] <mbrubeck> I'm assuming that's how you are running the content right now -- with everything scaled at 100% (one px per screen pixel) in a viewport the size of the <iframe>
# [02:04] <philikon> everything is at device-size right now
# [02:05] <mbrubeck> For web pages you'll want to default to a desktop-sized viewport (e.g. width=980), which means that apps will need to override that default and set "width=device-width" if they want to continue to be layed out at device-size. Might want to give a heads-up to the app devs if they aren't doing this already.
# [02:06] <philikon> aye
# [02:06] <BenWa> philor: My patch can't cause leaks on winodws
# [02:06] <jwir3> Famous last words, BenWa
# [02:06] <jwir3> Famous last words. :)
# [02:06] <mbrubeck> And it's good that you are targeting a low-dpi device, because on high-dpi devices you will end up scaling those apps at 150% or 200% (to keep them the same physical size)
# [02:06] <BenWa> I know, I checked like 3 times though
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# [02:06] <philikon> mbrubeck: we can argue what the default for mozbrowser should be... the default that the Browser app sets for its tabs should definitely be what you said
# [02:07] <philikon> mbrubeck: yeah
# [02:07] <BenWa> jwir3: unless that include nsIJSRuntimeService is crazy
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# [02:07] <mbrubeck> true, you could have it be different in the browser
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# [02:07] <philikon> we'll see how much that's possible
# [02:07] <philikon> with remoted iframes and everything
# [02:07] <philikon> fun fun fun till daddy takes the tbird away
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# [02:08] <jhammel> haha
# [02:08] <jhammel> assuming that is a very clever pun
# [02:09] <philikon> lol it wasn't actually coined to mozilla's recent policy
# [02:09] <philikon> but i realized it works quite well
# [02:09] <philikon> nice
# [02:09] <khuey> haha
# [02:09] <philikon> why didn't i think of it back then?
# [02:09] <philikon> totally could've ruled the twitterwebz for, like, 15 minutes
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# [02:09] <jhammel> lol
# [02:09] <jhammel> but then you'd have to rule the twitterwebz
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# [02:24] <benjamin> is there a releng channel?
# [02:24] <khuey> #build
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# [02:35] <mbrubeck> time to back out jlebar on inbound?
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# [02:36] <jlebar> :(
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# [02:37] <mbrubeck> I'm :( too because I was just helping a new contributor on #introduction who wanted to work on bug 726306
# [02:38] <mbrubeck> except that one of its dependencies was backed out on inbound (by me) several months ago for mochitest leaks and has never re-landed. :(
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# [02:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5eacd4fc78e4 - Terrence Cole - Bug 772722 - Remove superfluous usage of Atomics in SpiderMonkey; r=luke
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# [02:45] <@dolske> hmm, does that mean SM is no longer Atomic powered?
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# [02:49] <benjamin> right, it's higgs boson powered
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# [03:06] <Unfocused> dolske: i thought they were banned by the Great Convention
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# [03:07] <mascondante> I wonder what would be involved in building firefox in an operating system that's totally unique
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# [03:07] <mascondante> I saw a bounty filled by timberwolf version years after it was originally posted.
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# [03:11] <ewong> DOS?
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# [03:12] <mascondante> lol no. AROS is what I had in mind
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# [03:14] <mascondante> It's been a while since I spoke with the AROS people about it and they said something about the gecko engine being the problem
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# [03:17] <@dolske> mascondante: look up Mossop's posts on getting Firefox running on WebOS.
# [03:17] <@dolske> probably the most-recent mostly-new platform...
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# [03:18] <@dolske> well, maybe B2G. But that's still Linux.
# [03:18] <mwu> so is webos, no?
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# [03:20] <@ehsan> mwu: s/is/was/ ;)
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# [03:21] <mwu> hey, some people are optimistic :p
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# [03:33] <@dolske> mwu: oh, I guess so. but I thought it has a funky toolchain and way of interfacing with the OS.
# [03:33] <qheaden> Unfocused: ping
# [03:33] <Unfocused> qheaden: pong
# [03:33] <Unfocused> qheaden: er, sorry, brb first
# [03:33] <qheaden> Unfocused: Hey there! Did you ever receive an email from me?
# [03:33] <qheaden> Unfocused: no prob
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# [03:34] <mwu> dolske: it might. android is pretty funky too
# [03:34] <@dolske> and then there's Windows 8... >_<
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# [03:35] <@roc> fantasai: hi
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# [03:36] <njn> has bent been around lately?
# [03:37] <Unfocused> qheaden: sorry, back now. the email about the drag&drop data? or another one?
# [03:37] <qheaden> Unfocused: The one about the drag&drop data.
# [03:37] <njn> anyone here know about crash reporting?
# [03:37] <qheaden> Unfocused: I still can't figure that issue out.
# [03:37] * njn doesn't see KaiRo around
# [03:37] <Unfocused> qheaden: then yea, did you not get my reply?
# [03:38] <qheaden> Unfocused: No, it never came through.
# [03:38] <Unfocused> :\
# [03:38] <Unfocused> i'll resend
# [03:38] <qheaden> Okay. Thanks.
# [03:39] <Unfocused> done
# [03:39] <Unfocused> got caught in spam filters maybe?
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# [03:40] <qheaden> Unfocused: No, the spam was empty.
# [03:40] <qheaden> Maybe the mail server went on strike for a couple of milliseconds. ;)
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# [03:43] <qui> smaug: could it be the inspector widget? when you mentioned js in the ff ui it made me think of that
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# [03:45] <fantasai> roc: heya, I was going through the spec impact of making z-index Just Work on non-positioned elements
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# [03:46] <fantasai> roc: And I ran into a problem: this would mean that a descendant element of the stacking context
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# [03:46] <fantasai> roc: could be positioned wrt an ancestor of the element forming the stacking context
# [03:47] <fantasai> roc: Is this a problem?
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# [03:47] <fantasai> roc: And which stacking context should the element belong to, the one found by walking the ancestor tree or the one found by walking the containing block tree?
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# [03:51] <Callek> josh: didn't the newsgroup thread about OSX10.5 come to teh conclusion that we would not be ripping out 10.5 specific code until Firefox 18, even though we will continue to "not support" 10.5 as planned?
# [03:52] <Callek> I just want to correlate that with your "builds will fail to run" comment on your new bug about disabling the 10.5 testers
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# [04:02] <jlebar> Anyone know what's the trychooser magic to get Armv7a GB builds?
# [04:02] * jlebar would prefer not to do -p all, if he can help it...
# [04:02] <nthomas> -p b2g
# [04:02] <jlebar> nthomas, Thanks!
# [04:03] <nthomas> by process of elimination
# [04:03] <jlebar> nthomas, I didn't realize those were b2g builds. :)
# [04:03] <catlee-away> I don't think that works
# [04:03] <nthomas> no ?
# [04:04] <nthomas> jlebar: I was surprised the tbpl row labels don't make that clear
# [04:04] <@roc> fantasai: that is mostly not a new problem, since 'opacity' can induce a kind of pseudo-stacking-context whose descendants can be positioned relative to the ancestor of the 'opacity' element
# [04:04] <nthomas> the actual builder name does
# [04:04] <@roc> I don't see any new problems there
# [04:04] <catlee-away> I think only -p all works
# [04:05] <@roc> my main concern about making z-index apply to non-positioned elements would be Web compatibility
# [04:05] <catlee-away> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767501
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# [04:05] <@roc> stacking contexts follow the ancestor tree
# [04:05] <catlee-away> jlebar: why did you want them if you weren't looking for b2g?
# [04:05] <jlebar> catlee-away, Maybe trychooser should be updated to reflect the bug?
# [04:05] <jlebar> Oh, I see...that's complicated.
# [04:05] <jlebar> Okay, -p all it is!
# [04:06] <catlee-away> the bug isn't implemented yet...
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# [04:07] <fantasai> roc: ok
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# [04:07] <fantasai> roc: Web compat wouldn't be a problem for Flexbox, I think
# [04:08] <fantasai> roc: it'd be a problem if we applied the same logic to blocks though
# [04:08] <@roc> sure, if it's only flexbox
# [04:08] <fantasai> so far, that's the plan :)
# [04:08] <fantasai> grid will probably follow as well
# [04:08] <@roc> it would be nice to change across the board if we could get away with it
# [04:08] <fantasai> agree!
# [04:08] <@roc> and trivial for us to implement
# [04:08] <@roc> in any form
# [04:09] <fantasai> roc: nice
# [04:09] <fantasai> roc: I suspect if anyone can demonstrate it's Web-compatible, the CSSWG would take that change
# [04:10] <fantasai> roc: btw, do you have an opinion on whether flex items should act like blocks or form pseudo-stacking contexts?
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# [04:10] <fantasai> roc: nobody in the WG could come up with a really good justification for either, so we went with copying blocks for now
# [04:10] <@roc> that sounds OK
# [04:10] <@roc> I have no opinion
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# [04:17] <markh> getting a build error on windows - any clues? - o:\src\mm\mozilla-hg\mozilla-central\js\src\gc/Root.h(351) : fatal error C1075: end of file found before the left brace '{' at 'o:\src\mm\mozilla-hg\mozilla-central\js\src\jsstr.h(127)' was matched
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# [04:20] <jdm> roc: do you know how spec requirements about only doing things as a result of a user event are handled in gecko?
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# [04:20] <jdm> I'm reading the fullscreen code and only see requirements that chrome initiate it
# [04:20] <@roc> Web content can initiate fullscreen code
# [04:21] <jdm> ok, poor example then. I guess I was reading an old mailing list post.
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# [04:22] <@roc> jdm: I think you want nsEventStateManager::IsHandlingUserInput
# [04:22] <jdm> aha, thanks
# [04:23] <@roc> (what's this for?)
# [04:23] <jdm> roc: jrmuizel is trying to convince me to implement http://people.mozilla.com/~jmuizelaar/clipboard/
# [04:23] <@roc> Beware of Jeff
# [04:24] <jrmuizel> :)
# [04:24] <@roc> I thought there was already some proposed Web API for that
# [04:24] <@roc> maybe I'm wrong
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# [04:24] <jrmuizel> roc: there's a clipboard event api spec
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# [04:24] <jrmuizel> fantasai: it's only a W3C draft in appearance
# [04:25] <jrmuizel> it's not actually real
# [04:25] <jrmuizel> http://www.w3.org/TR/clipboard-apis/
# [04:26] <jdm> I have to say, I like jeff's better just for the brevity
# [04:26] <fantasai> jrmuizel: Then, probably you shouldn't put a W3C logo on it :)
# [04:26] <fantasai> jrmuizel: if you're submitting to W3C you could try this stylesheet though http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/w3c-unofficial.css
# [04:27] <@roc> jrmuizel: the clipboard-apis proposal says "Synthetic cut and copy events must not modify data on the system clipboard."
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# [04:27] <@roc> wouldn't the security concerns that prompted that also apply to your proposal? And wouldn't write access to the clipboard be most economically added by lifting that restriction?
# [04:28] <jrmuizel> roc: my proposal is just a copy of what flash does
# [04:28] <jrmuizel> roc: so the security concerns already exist
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# [04:29] <jrmuizel> roc: and it doesn't seem to be that big a problem
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# [04:30] <terrence> markh: what version of msvc?
# [04:31] <markh> terrence: 9
# [04:31] <markh> vs2008
# [04:31] <terrence> markh: no clue then.. Waldo ^^
# [04:32] <fantasai> roc: file:///home/fantasai/w3c/csswg/css3-flexbox/Overview.html#painting
# [04:32] <fantasai> er
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# [04:32] <fantasai> roc: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/#painting
# [04:32] <fantasai> roc: let me know if there are any problems
# [04:34] <jrmuizel> fantasai: fixed, thanks for the pointer
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# [04:45] <njn> jst: how hard-wired are URIs like |chrome://browser/content/browser.xul| and |chrome://global/content/console.xul| ? Is creating a table that uses them as keys a bad idea?
# [04:45] <njn> jst: I'm thinking about this in support of nicer names for tabs and windows in about:memory
# [04:46] <@roc> BenWa: can you help Honza in bug 729182?
# [04:46] <njn> jst: e.g. map |chrome://global/content/console.xul| to "Error Console Window" or somesuch
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# [04:51] <@dolske> njn: I'd expect that a lot of those are very unlikely to change.
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# [04:52] <@dolske> a lookup table would be fine... though I wonder if there's already a slightly more descriptive string attached somewhere.
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# [04:53] <@dolske> maybe the window title in some cases? obviously not if the title is changing like with browser.xul :)
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# [04:59] <njn> dolske: where is the window title stored?
# [04:59] <@dolske> on the title property? :)
# [05:00] <njn> dolske: in JS-land, yes... what about C++-land?
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# [05:01] <njn> dolske: I can't find it on nsIDOMWindow, nsPIDOMWindow, or nsGlobalWindow, for example
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# [05:01] <@dolske> probably do_QueryInterface(<static cast<const cast>>window->do_GetInterface(foo).GetTitle(&outval, &rv)))))))) or something like that.
# [05:02] <jdm> njn: nsDocument::GetTitle looks handy
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# [05:02] <@dolske> or what jdm said, sure :)
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# [05:03] <BenWa> roc: I'll take a look tomorrow
# [05:03] <@dolske> oh, I forgot a EnsureFlatCString(kungFuDeathGrip)
# [05:04] <jdm> dolske: throw an unused << on the front
# [05:04] <jdm> or getter_Transfers
# [05:04] <@dolske> thanks, noted
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# [05:07] <njn> jdm: thanks
# [05:07] <njn> dolske: thanks :P
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# [05:07] <benjamin> do you always have to call PR_DestroyThread?
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# [05:07] <jdm> benjamin: it's like the numbers on lost; nobody knows what happens if you don't!
# [05:08] <jdm> you should probably call it in a loop, just to be safe
# [05:08] <benjamin> there's this code in js, which does PR_ThreadJoin
# [05:08] <benjamin> with a comment saying /* PR_DestroyThread not needed */
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# [05:11] <benjamin> I guess no such function exists...
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# [05:12] <njn> jdm: if I have an nsIDocument how do I check/convert it to nsDocument?
# [05:12] <jdm> hmm
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# [05:12] <njn> static_cast?
# [05:12] <njn> nsDocument is the only derived class of nsIDocument, AFAICT
# [05:13] <jdm> njn: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=static_cast%3Cnsdocument shows some prior art there, yes
# [05:13] <njn> jdm: thx
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# [05:36] <@roc> fix it
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# [05:38] <njn> roc: MXR says "Too many hits, displaying the first 1000"
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# [05:41] <@roc> search-and-replace
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# [05:44] <darktrojan> sed
# [05:44] <cpearce> FTW!
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# [05:45] <magcius> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645
# [05:45] <magcius> This is probably the best bug report I've seen ever.
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# [05:46] <darktrojan> hah
# [05:46] <cpearce> I'm surprised it's up to only 20 comments...
# [05:47] <njn> roc: well yes. I don't feel like working on a patch that touches 1000 files right now, though
# [05:47] <magcius> this is his website: http://
# [05:47] <magcius> www.Constellation7.org
# [05:47] <magcius> this is his website: http://www.Constellation7.org
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# [05:48] <jcranmer> "so much work replacing all the prefixes"
# [05:48] <jcranmer> really? sed -e 's/-moz-opacity/opacity/g' is a lot of work?
# [05:48] <cjones> anyone know if there's a new secret to making fennec .apk's? make package fails now
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# [05:50] <magcius> jcranmer, he has it copy/pasted to every page
# [05:50] <njn> jdm: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645#c13 -- 100 hours!
# [05:50] <magcius> > HK$1900
# [05:50] <magcius> Oh, that explains it.
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# [05:51] <magcius> "
# [05:51] <magcius> Ideally, ALL browsers SHOULD support ALL extensions,"
# [05:51] <magcius> I don't think this guy understands the point of vendor prefixes.
# [05:51] <Mook> njn: just typedef, and let both forms work? :p
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# [05:52] <jcranmer> magcius: I dabble in C++ automated rewriting
# [05:52] <magcius> jcranmer, Coccinelle?
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# [05:53] <jcranmer> magcius: ew, no
# [05:53] <jcranmer> I said C++
# [05:53] <magcius> Didn't Coccinelle gain C++ support?
# [05:54] <magcius> What are you using, then?
# [05:54] <magcius> Custom tool build on top of clang's parser?
# [05:54] <jcranmer> yep
# [05:54] <jcranmer> I don't trust any rewriting tool that isn't built on a parser that also generates code
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# [05:56] <jesup> roc: Wonder how well the tree will compile after this: 'chfiles | xargs sed -e "s/nsCAutoString/nsAutoCString/" --in-place' (and the same with ifiles). (chfiles - finds all .c/cpp/c/h files; ifiles finds idl files) ;-) ;-)
# [05:56] <@roc> something like that
# [05:56] <jcranmer> jesup: you'd have to apply it to comm-central
# [05:56] <khuey> why are we renaming this?
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# [05:57] <jcranmer> or, more likely, put a typedef in an exported header so other projects won't immediately break
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# [05:59] <jcranmer> magcius: or, a better way to put it, it's rather easy to write a C parser that works 90% of the time
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# [05:59] <jcranmer> it's rather difficult to write a C++ parser that works 50% of the time
# [05:59] <magcius> jcranmer, as I know very well
# [05:59] <magcius> jcranmer, but I'm scared
# [05:59] <magcius> jcranmer, what do you think of gcc-xml btw?
# [05:59] <jesup> khuey: I'm mostly just doing this out of "well, I think I can try that in 20 seconds" - see backscroll for njn and roc talking
# [05:59] <@roc> khuey: because nsAutoFooBar is common, and nsFooAutoBar is not
# [06:00] <jcranmer> magcius: gcc has some positioning issues in its AST, which makes things that need accurate location information impossible
# [06:00] <magcius> jcranmer, submit a bug report?
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# [06:19] <benjamin> ah, it's a pool...
# [06:19] <khuey> the stream transport service
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# [06:33] <qheaden> What is the purpose of nsTableFrame::IsBorderCollapse()?
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# [06:33] <qheaden> What does border collapse mean on a table?
# [06:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/038e89521330 - Anant Narayanan - Bug 691234: Part 2/3: Implement WebRTC backend for MediaEngine on Desktop; r=jesup, r=roc
# [06:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/431ab4d097c9 - Anant Narayanan - Bug 691234: Part 1/3: Move MediaEngine files and tweak interface; r=roc
# [06:33] <philikon> mbrubeck: for the policy discussion: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.dev.b2g/eNThZLhBZ8o
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# [06:35] <sid0> anant: heh, you won a push race twice
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# [06:37] <philor> not sure that's a win, though, since the way we're going now, something two or three pushes back before a backout is always the next bustage that will be backed out, and somebody's getting backed out before long
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# [06:38] <anant> sid0: ;)
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# [06:47] <dzbarsky> hsivonen: ping?
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# [06:48] <philor> anant: red
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# [06:48] <devd> roc: ping
# [06:49] <@roc> hi
# [06:49] <anant> philor: ok, shall I back out or were you going to?
# [06:50] <philor> anant: I'd love it if you would
# [06:50] <anant> will do!
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# [06:53] <philor> nope, I no longer play that game
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# [06:53] <Callek> then why blindfold yourself?
# [06:53] <philor> I'll retrigger on the tip, and if things are slow enough, I'll sometimes retrigger on mobile pushes that smell risky, but because we coalesce backward, I don't retrigger in general anymore
# [06:54] <Callek> since you know your retry pin can end up 20 changesets later anyway? :-P
# [06:54] <Callek> ooo wait, we retry *backward*???
# [06:54] <philor> no, it's vastly more likely that my retrigger will take away the run from the tip three pushes
# [06:54] <philor> we do
# [06:54] <Callek> I thought that was fixed ages ago
# [06:54] <philor> I complained
# [06:54] <philor> nthomas said it has always been that way
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# [06:55] <anant> well, hopefully I did that right, is there a way to backout multiple changesets in a single commit?
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# [06:55] <devd> roc: sorry
# [06:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/351b9bb964a3 - Anant Narayanan - Backout 431ab4d097c9, bustage
# [06:55] <philor> multiple ways, my way is hg qnew bo, hg backout -r abc, hg qref, hg backout -r def, hg qref
# [06:55] <devd> roc: so re your response on dev.servo
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# [06:56] <nthomas> hmm, perhaps i am mistaken
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# [06:56] <devd> roc: so I have read some of the Rust design docs
# [06:56] <devd> roc: and it seems that one of the design goals is that 'tasks' which are like protection boundaries only talk through messages
# [06:56] <devd> roc: and there is no shared state .. the only interface between tasks is messages
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# [06:56] <devd> roc: is that still true?
# [06:57] <@roc> yes
# [06:57] <devd> roc: I was thinking that a nice project would be to automagically map tasks to sandboxed processes
# [06:57] <devd> roc: does that make sense?
# [06:57] <@roc> no
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# [06:57] <@roc> because
# [06:58] <@roc> that is not risky
# [06:59] <dzbarsky> ehsan: ping?
# [06:59] <devd> hmm ... can you explain further?
# [06:59] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: heya
# [06:59] <dzbarsky> ehsan: I have something for you to look at
# [06:59] <@ehsan> ok
# [06:59] <@ehsan> let's look at it :)
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# [07:00] <@roc> devd: if you mean putting each task in its own sandboxed process, that's not a good idea since one of the goals of Rust is to provide cheap isolation, so for example each image decoder could be in its own isolated task. OS-level processes can't give you that.
# [07:00] <@roc> so I'll assume you don't mean that
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# [07:01] <dzbarsky> ehsan: seems like http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1701086 will work
# [07:01] <@roc> if you mean, partition the Rust tasks into a smaller set of sandboxed OS processes, that could make some sense as a way to provide an extra level of protection in case of Rust compiler or Spidermonkey bugs
# [07:01] <devd> roc: I think if we can make it possible to do that, we can choose which task to switch; for example, if we find that the JS lib is having lots of security issues we can move only that and its related tasks to a sandbox?
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# [07:01] <@roc> but then we get down to what I mentioned in my reply
# [07:02] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: what's ATTRIBUTE_NAMES?
# [07:02] <@roc> which is basically that we know how to do that
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# [07:02] <@roc> and when the time comes when we need to do it, we can do it
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# [07:02] <dzbarsky> ehsan: http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/parser/html/nsHtml5AttributeName.cpp#l1397 - the array all the attributes are added to
# [07:02] <@roc> in a research project like Rust/Servo, it's important to focus on the stuff you don't know how to do
# [07:03] <dzbarsky> ehsan: am I just missing something?
# [07:03] <@roc> or rather, that you think you know how to do, but aren't sure whether it will work
# [07:03] <@roc> and do all that stuff as early as possible
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# [07:05] <jesup> roc/njn/jcranmer: s/nsCAutoString/nsAutoCString/ -> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=12abc3db1356 Builds fine locally on linux; "grep -r nsCAutoString *" gives 0 hits
# [07:05] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: hrm, can you explain why your patch works?!
# [07:05] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: cause I sure can't!
# [07:05] <jesup> Someone else can decide if this is a good idea or not... ;-)
# [07:05] <dzbarsky> ehsan: with it we go from 1000 warnings to 3
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# [07:05] <njn> jesup: file a bug and land it quickly :)
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# [07:05] <devd> roc: ok thanks
# [07:05] <dzbarsky> ehsan: it's a warnings per call site
# [07:06] <@roc> devd: I hope that makes sense
# [07:06] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: oh lol, that's just cheating isn't it? :)
# [07:06] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: can we just mark nsHtml5AttributeName as final?
# [07:06] <dzbarsky> ehsan: is it?
# [07:06] <dzbarsky> ehsan: no, because it has a subclass
# [07:06] <devd> roc: I think there are two things in play here
# [07:06] <dzbarsky> the subclass can be marked final, which I did in a nother patch
# [07:06] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: well then the dtor needs to be virtual :)
# [07:06] <@ehsan> right?
# [07:06] <devd> roc: While your argument that "we know how to do it" is well taken
# [07:06] <@roc> devd: IMHO the big unanswered questions around Rust/Servo are all around "can you write a fast browser engine in this language?"
# [07:07] <devd> roc: on the other hand, given that we know how to do it; we should make sure we don't make it impossible to do them later
# [07:07] <dzbarsky> ehsan: hsivonen's argument is that the subclass adds no fields, so there is no point in having a virtual dtor. too bad there's no way to tell clang "this class has only have one subclass, which is final"
# [07:07] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: also, on a related note: http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/parser/html/nsHtml5AttributeName.cpp#l24
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# [07:08] <devd> roc: for example, I think CFI is a pretty powerful technique, so the RUST runtime should make sure to keep all call-targets around in case we want to use CFI later
# [07:08] <@roc> jesup: we'll need a compat typedef somewhere so that Tbird and other code doesn't break
# [07:08] <devd> roc: I agree; although, I would add secure / reliable to the mix
# [07:08] <jesup> roc: yup
# [07:08] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: well, if that's really safe, then maybe we should call the dtor statically...
# [07:08] <@roc> devd: it just seems totally obvious to me that starting with a safe language like Rust, you can do CFI. It's just so much easier than C++.
# [07:08] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: but that's a terrible hack
# [07:09] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: (what's the bug #?)
# [07:09] <devd> roc: I thought the run time isn't written in Rust, which is why you need CFI
# [07:09] <darktrojan> Unfocused, I have a 1 hour delay, clearly
# [07:09] <devd> roc: i.e., CFI for the code written in Rust is trivial
# [07:09] <darktrojan> ask a question now and have it answered at 1800
# [07:09] <@roc> OK sure.
# [07:09] <devd> roc: but if it calls an internal runtime lib, we need CFI
# [07:10] <devd> roc: yeah .. we don't even need CFI for pure RUST; which is why I was a little confused by Brendan's comments
# [07:10] <devd> roc: although, I am still confused by his "we need CFI for compiler" statement
# [07:10] <@roc> for libraries written in C++, sure. I hope there isn't much of that. If there's very little, we may not need CFI, just consider them part of the TCB and work hard to ensure they're correct.
# [07:10] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: another option is to make the dtor virtual final, and hope that the compiler is smart enough to call it statically :)
# [07:10] <@roc> I think Brendan was referring to compiler bugs
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# [07:11] <Unfocused> darktrojan: hah. i was just gonna say, regarding the icon sizes bug, if caching the value turns out to be not possible, then its a r+
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# [07:11] <devd> roc: but hte input to the compiler is trusted, right?
# [07:11] <njn> !seen bent
# [07:12] <firebot> bent was last seen 4 hours, 24 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying 'yep' in #b2g.
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# [07:12] <benjamin> is there a public channel for services?
# [07:12] <@roc> devd: obviously I wouldn't (and couldn't) stop you from doing whatever, but I'm 99.9% sure we can do CFI whenever we feel the need to. I am much much less sure that it is possible to write a fast, competitive browser engine in Rust, so that's where I recommend focusing work right now.
# [07:13] <@roc> devd: sure, but conceivably we could compile Servo, the compiler could introduce a safety bug (e.g. missing array bounds check), and an attacker could find a way to exploit that
# [07:13] <devd> roc: I am not working on that; I am just really confused why we are discussing memory safety bugs for Rust
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# [07:13] <devd> roc: aah
# [07:13] <devd> ok
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# [07:13] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: it's a bit late for me here (1am). can you please cc me on the bug and we'll pick this up tomorrow?
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# [07:14] <darktrojan> Unfocused, cache it where?
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# [07:15] <darktrojan> I could just replace the getter with the result
# [07:16] <devd> roc: thanks for your time!
# [07:16] <@roc> pleasure
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# [07:17] <dzbarsky> ehsan: sure
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# [07:18] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: ty
# [07:19] <Unfocused> darktrojan: eh, i guess. though that does mean that if the icons from AddonRepository get updated, it won't be reflected in AddonWrapper until the next time the app is started - which is different from the other properties
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# [07:22] <Unfocused> come to think of it, we don't really have a place to put cached data for AddonWrapper, in a way that can be cleared outside of AddonWrapper :\
# [07:23] * Unfocused didn't think this all the way through, admittedly
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# [07:23] <darktrojan> Unfocused, when do we get a new AddonWrapper? once per session?
# [07:23] <darktrojan> or does it get replaced if we upgrade the addon?
# [07:24] <Mossop> It should get thrown away on GC if no-one else is holding it
# [07:24] <Unfocused> no, pretty much every time an addon object is requested via a public api :\
# [07:24] <Unfocused> we do cache AddonInternal objects though
# [07:24] <Unfocused> but via a weak reference
# [07:25] <darktrojan> so does it matter if we have a lazy getter?
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# [07:25] <Unfocused> hm, i guess not..
# [07:25] <darktrojan> oh wait that doesn't actually solve the issue at hand
# [07:25] <darktrojan> better than nothing though I guess
# [07:26] <darktrojan> cache ALL the things
# [07:26] <Unfocused> well, i guess it means we don't have to worry about clearing the cache
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# [07:27] <Unfocused> it'll be fun to sort out all this stuff if we ever make createWrapper() cleverer, and cache AddonWrapper objects....
# [07:27] * Unfocused idly wonders how much memory overhead we have with that
# [07:27] <Mossop> Unfocused: We cache the wrapper on the AddonInternal no?
# [07:28] <Unfocused> oh! we do! i didn't think we did
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# [07:28] <Unfocused> ... which means, ignore what i said about not needing to clear the cache :\
# [07:29] <Callek> Unfocused: bad Addon Manager owner, you should give it to someone who knows it better, like Mossop!
# [07:29] <Callek> :-P
# [07:29] <Unfocused> haha
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# [07:30] <darktrojan> heh
# [07:30] <darktrojan> if you tried reading this stuff you'd be confused too
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# [07:31] <jesup> roc/khuey/njn/etc: patches are up for mass nsCAutoString->nsAutoCString change (including #define for back-compatibility)
# [07:31] <jesup> bug 773151
# [07:32] <KWierso> njn: ping?
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# [07:33] <Unfocused> darktrojan: i guess the best option might just be to fix bug 767320 then
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# [07:33] <jesup> roc: who would be a good reviewer?
# [07:33] <@roc> bsmedberg
# [07:33] <@roc> thx
# [07:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d98dea0ba5f - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 5eacd4fc78e4 (bug 772722) for mochitest-4 shutdown crashes
# [07:37] <brendan> devd, roc: anywhere in compiler and its target runtime, a refcount underflow or equivalent can lead to loss of CFI
# [07:38] <brendan> could be compiler bug, could be runtime -- hand-crafted C++, smaller TCB, I like it -- but these things tend to grow big enough to sprout such bugs
# [07:39] <@roc> sure
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# [07:39] <@roc> CFI per se might or might not end up being the tool of choice to address such bugs
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# [07:40] <@roc> a compromise of everything inside a process sandbox could be quite lethal, in a world where everything interesting is happening in your browser
# [07:42] <@roc> Microsoft is still pushing hard on Midori, child of Singularity; there, the integrity of the C# compiler and runtime are maintained via some kind of certified compilation, and machine-assisted formal verification of the unsafe parts of the runtime
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# [07:43] <@roc> this kind of thing is still very hard, but it is I think feasible now if you have Microsoft's resources, and it's getting easier
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# [07:46] <anant> philor: how do you determine which android bustages to star?
# [07:46] <KWierso> random number generator?
# [07:46] <philor> or The Hate Index
# [07:47] <jesup> roc: I have buddies on that team; an ex-coworker is running/lead-architect on it it I believe
# [07:47] <anant> Heh, then why are we running those tests if they don't indicate anything?
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# [07:47] <philor> the theory is that I will eventually notice actual bustage
# [07:47] <jesup> if they consistently fail you have found something
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# [07:48] <philor> I didn't, but RyanVM did yesterday or the day before, after only 12 hours
# [07:48] <anant> Ah. /tipothehat
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# [07:48] <philor> the second bustage was a quicker spot, just a few hours
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# [07:51] <philor> so, first cut, XUL talos and browser chrome, both of which have landed but not deployed patches to shut them off - always ignored now, then, look for actual test failures, then, look for suites that seem to have failed an unexpected number of times in a row, then, look for mobile pushes that might actually care about getting results, then, retrigger the tip if it stays the tip long enough to retrigger while it's still the tip
# [07:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6cf7aa93994c - Luke Wagner - Bug 765956 - Set Bindings' parent eagerly (r=bhackett)
# [07:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c9a5dfa1b07d - Luke Wagner - Bug 767750 - rm JSScript::evalHashLink (r=njn)
# [07:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/38a703b244c2 - Luke Wagner - Bug 753145 - Attach static scope nesting information to scripts (r=jimb)
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# [07:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/41d5c8529748 - Luke Wagner - Bug 771039 - fix CompExpTransplanter to correctly fix up implicit arguments definitions in generator expressions (r=dvander)
# [07:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0253f34f6bc2 - Luke Wagner - Bug 771039 - assert some invariants in BindNameToSlot (r=dvander)
# [07:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6bbf3f22bb5d - Luke Wagner - Bug 753158 - emit ALIASEDVAR ops for upvars (r=bhackett)
# [07:52] <njn> philor: if I want to do a tinderbox debug run with --disable-optimize, how would I do that?
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# [07:53] <philor> njn: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/config/mozconfigs/ - the one named "debug" for each platform
# [07:54] <njn> philor: so http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/config/mozconfigs/linux64/debug is one...
# [07:54] <njn> ?
# [07:54] <philor> right
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# [07:55] <jesup> njn: since we got rid of the mozconfig-extra stuff, you have to edit N mozconfig files
# [07:55] <njn> jesup: that's fine
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# [07:55] <philor> you could save a little typing with things they include, like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/unix/mozconfig.linux, but it would take longer to figure out which ones cover which things than just to paste it in every separate one
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# [07:56] <darktrojan> Unfocused, Mossop, so many thisWrappers and thatInternals, who said doing this in JS was a good idea again?
# [07:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d11ab4b1a8c - Matt Brubeck - Bug 769857 - Add a small delay before the tap highlight [r=wesj]
# [07:57] <njn> philor: how's this look for disabling optimization just on linux debug builds? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1701113
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# [07:59] <philor> njn: looks fine - I'd ordinarily add anything I added at the bottom, to keep from getting overridden by something I didn't see, but I just looked at build/unix/mozconfig.linux, and it's not messing with you
# [08:00] <njn> philor: thanks
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# [08:02] <philor> oh, forgot one Android starring step, "look for tests which ran perfectly, and the color comes from infra fiddling after the test had already completed" since avoiding retriggering them is probably a 10 or 20% savings on load
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# [08:03] <philor> eh, less, 10 or 20% of the failures isn't 10 or 20% of the load, there must be some green runs, sometimes
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# [08:10] <Unfocused> darktrojan: you'd rather use XPCOM? :P
# [08:11] <darktrojan> I'd rather use private functions
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# [08:12] <darktrojan> I guess that's too easy (TM)
# [08:12] <Unfocused> i think JS will get that eventually, fwiw
# [08:12] <darktrojan> all hail dart
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# [08:13] <Unfocused> not sure if that would necessarily solve it though - XPIProvider would still need to have use of all the stuff on AddonInternal
# [08:13] <sheppy> All hail dirt! I agree!
# [08:13] <sheppy> Oh. Dart.
# [08:14] <Unfocused> ew, dart. i was talking about harmony
# [08:14] <sheppy> Whatever, same thing,
# [08:14] <Unfocused> heh
# [08:14] <@dolske> dirt? Air is going to be BIG!
# [08:14] <devd> brendan: roc yeah; on the other hand, I think CFI can be implemented pretty easily and with surprisingly low overhead on modern machines
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# [08:15] <brendan> devd: how?
# [08:15] <Unfocused> we could probably do the same thing with just AddonInternal and a Proxy....
# [08:15] <devd> brendan: if I am not wrong, there have been number of papers that have tried to do it
# [08:15] <devd> brendan: its not my area, but I can forward you some things
# [08:15] <devd> brendan: ofcourse, there is the usual grain of salt given it is an academic pub
# [08:16] <brendan> devd: i've read the NaCl papers
# [08:16] <brendan> NaCl on IA32 is tops, but uses segment registers
# [08:16] <devd> brendan: I thought NaCl was all about SFI
# [08:17] <devd> brendan: and not so much about maintaining CFI of the untrusted code base
# [08:17] <brendan> CFI succeeded SFI, it's what NaCl enforces
# [08:17] <devd> brendan: other than the higher level invariant "jump targets are aligned at ..whatever..."
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# [08:18] <devd> brendan: wait what? Maybe I am really confused. SFI is software fault isolation, CFI is control flow integrity, right?
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# [08:19] <brendan> devd: sorry, i'm thinking of abadi, erlingsson et al
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# [08:20] <devd> that is CFI, right?
# [08:20] <brendan> y
# [08:20] <devd> and NaCl implements SFI, which was originally wahbe et al., then McCamant et al. and then finally the Google folks
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# [08:22] <brendan> devd: right, my mail got that wrong -- sorry
# [08:23] <brendan> SFI would be enough, still has non-trivial overhead
# [08:23] <brendan> chrome C++ not yet NaCl'ed :-P
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# [08:24] <devd> :)
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# [08:24] <devd> If I am not wrong, the thing about SFI is that it wants to secure arbitrary code; so it needs to have lots of invariants like "only these instructions allowed", "only jumps to aligned addresses allowed"
# [08:24] <devd> and so on
# [08:25] <devd> which cause performance hit
# [08:25] <devd> these are not concerns for CFI
# [08:25] <devd> which is why, I think CFI can be done cheaply
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# [08:27] <brendan> devd: the original CFI overhead was not so hot
# [08:27] <brendan> but there's been newer work: "HyperSafe: A Lightweight Approach to Provide Lifetime Hypervisor Control-Flow Integrity" by Wang & Jiang
# [08:27] <brendan> but hypervisors
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# [08:29] <hsivonen> dzbarsky: pong
# [08:30] <Unfocused> darktrojan: what's the chance you'd have time to work on bug 767320 sometime soon? would be preferable to land both those bugs at the same time
# [08:30] <brendan> devd: do you have faster CFI refs?
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# [08:31] <devd> brendan: see pm
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# [08:32] <dzbarsky> hsivonen: bug 765381
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# [08:33] <dzbarsky> hsivonen: I would try to write a patch but for some reason | make translate| gives me errors
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# [08:34] <hsivonen> dzbarsky: regarding what you said to ehsan: I wasn't really making an argument about non-virtuality. I was just checking that the existing code wasn't bogus.
# [08:35] <hsivonen> that is, I don't have an objection to just making the destructor virtual
# [08:36] <dzbarsky> hsivonen: ok, let's just do whatever is easiest then
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# [08:39] <dzbarsky> hsivonen: how about https://bug765381.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=641355 ?
# [08:40] <hsivonen> dzbarsky: the trouble with make translate is that it's a supposedly easy workflow but not the workflow I actually use
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# [08:40] <hsivonen> dzbarsky: the interesting question is how ugly a special case is needed in the translator to generate that code
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# [08:41] <hsivonen> dzbarsky: It's been a while, so I can't remember off the top of my head how ugly it would be
# [08:41] <hsivonen> I can see the code size advantage, though
# [08:42] <dzbarsky> hsivonen: heh
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# [09:44] <glob> awww
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# [10:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/184ba174e8a6 - Mark Hammond - bug 773165 - more robust removal of frameworker's iframe. r=gavin
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# [10:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e5579991e19e - Bobby Holley - Bug 655649 - Use Subsumes Rather than Equals in XPConnect wrapper computation. r=mrbkap
# [10:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f3340e10d5f - Bobby Holley - Bug 655649 - Stop doing dynamic security checks for document.domain. r=mrbkap
# [10:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c9b038fa6956 - Bobby Holley - Bug 601277 - Better tests for document.domain. r=mrbkap
# [10:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f0ff9117f8b - Bobby Holley - Bug 655649 - Recompute cross-compartment wrappers when setting document.domain. r=mrbkap
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# [10:23] <dao> markh: if you back this out and reland it with the right reviewer, you can also add the missing semicolon while you're at it...
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# [10:34] <glob> happy bmo push day! http://globau.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/happy-bmo-push-day-4/
# [10:34] <markh> dao: bugger, sorry about that. Is there a specific checkin message I should make for the backout?
# [10:35] <dao> markh: I just pushed it myself
# [10:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf874e608c60 - Mark Hammond - Bug 773165 - more robust removal of frameworker's iframe. r=dao
# [10:35] <markh> awesome, thanks
# [10:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71fe850374d4 - Dão Gottwald - merge backout
# [10:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b13f42bfcb9d - Dão Gottwald - Backed out changeset 184ba174e8a6
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# [10:43] <NeilAway> glob: aha, bug 764517!
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# [10:43] <glob> NeilAway, aha good or aha bad? ;)
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# [10:43] <NeilAway> glob: well, good, given that I got bitten by it
# [10:43] <glob> NeilAway, aha :)
# [10:44] <NeilAway> glob: aha good or aha bad? :-P
# [10:44] <glob> NeilAway, h aha
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# [10:45] <Unfocused> darktrojan: ok, thanks :)
# [10:45] <glandium> sometimes i wish try would allow incremental builds.
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# [11:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e6f3c420aaa3 - Joe Walker - Bug 771992 - GCLI cookie command completion wonky in xmas tree case; r=dcamp
# [11:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/70d92a6ccdfa - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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# [11:18] <edmorley|mobile> Boooo. My desktop just made a popping sound and now won't turn on :-( into the office it is...
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# [11:21] <ttaubert> we'll keep on trying
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# [11:24] <Ms2ger> "Re: We want to be your supplier of Composite Insulator with patents"
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# [11:36] <capella> don't you >want< to visit Poland?
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# [11:39] <@smaug> ++Alice0775
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# [11:39] <Ms2ger> smaug, linking to bonsailog?
# [11:39] <@smaug> yes!
# [11:39] <Ms2ger> capella, well, I told several people who asked that September wouldn't work for me :)
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# [11:40] <capella> Oh! Actually, i was wondering since I got one too .... figured I was on a wrong list
# [11:41] * @smaug has never attended any MozCamp
# [11:41] <Ms2ger> Want an invite? ;)
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# [11:42] <capella> :P I guess paying for it is something else
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# [11:58] <arunsl> library linking using ld is hanging the system as all of RAM is getting used, any suggestions how to proceed
# [11:58] <arunsl> mozila-central from mercurical is being used
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# [12:07] <glandium> roc: yeah, that's pretty awesome
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# [12:27] <edmorley|mibbet> in case anyone is waiting for it, the next inbound to m-c merge is blocked on resolving the pgo-only winxp jsreftest failure (\o/ for pgo only every 3 hours...)
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# [12:28] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: that means no merge until after the aurora merge, i guess
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# [12:29] <edmorley|mibbet> is that happening today?!
# [12:29] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: on monday
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# [12:29] <edmorley|mibbet> oh
# [12:29] <edmorley|mibbet> yeah I was going to say, I thought it was monday
# [12:29] <edmorley|mibbet> but yeah it probably won't take much less time than that hehe ;-)
# [12:30] <glandium> what's the last winxp pgo green?
# [12:31] <edmorley|mibbet> there was other bustage too that was backed out, so hard to say if that made it green again before the next one (pgo build inbetween pending)
# [12:31] <edmorley|mibbet> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=WINNT%205.1%20mozilla-inbound%20pgo%20test%20jsreftest
# [12:33] <glandium> waw, that's a lot of changesets without a pgo build
# [12:33] <glandium> hopefully, not so many touch js/src
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# [12:34] <edmorley|mibbet> glandium: if I had to bet, I'd say5eacd4fc78e4
# [12:34] <edmorley|mibbet> 5eacd4fc78e4
# [12:35] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: let's hope you're right
# [12:35] * edmorley|mibbet is always suspicious of things that have bounced once already
# [12:36] <Ms2ger> Is that vlad again?
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# [12:40] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: fwiw, i boosted xp jsreftest priority on 17bc02a42a1a
# [12:42] <edmorley|mibbet> glandium: thank you
# [12:42] <edmorley|mibbet> I keepon forgetting we can do that
# [12:43] <edmorley|mibbet> Ms2ger: not /this/ time ;-)
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# [12:46] <glandium> we need to do something for our test times
# [12:46] <edmorley|mibbet> AWS might be the answer to that :-)
# [12:47] <edmorley|mibbet> hopefully
# [12:47] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: we should also make them run more in parallel
# [12:47] <glandium> because running them locally is painful too
# [12:47] <glandium> i rarely run mochitests because of that
# [12:48] <glandium> I'd like to be able to launch all test suites in parallel, for example. no reason 7 cores need to rest when there's a test running
# [12:50] <edmorley|mibbet> true
# [12:52] <glandium> that would also allow to run more tests on a given test slave (i doubt these machines are single-core)
# [12:54] <darktrojan> what is AWS?
# [12:54] <@smaug> darktrojan: http://oduinn.com/blog/2012/07/11/releng-production-systems-go-hybrid-now-available-on-aws/
# [12:54] <AryehGregor> It would be awesome if you could run mochitests in parallel even if you're only running one subdirectory.
# [12:55] <darktrojan> oic
# [12:55] <hsivonen> looks like Opera has added opt-in telemetry, too
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# [12:56] <@smaug> mayhemer: when I talk about hot code paths, I mean cases when any extra virtual call for example is too much
# [12:56] <glandium> hsivonen: opera had it first
# [12:56] <glandium> oh wait...
# [12:57] <@smaug> hsivonen: welcome back
# [12:57] <mayhemer> smaug: aha, virtual call == virtual method call ?
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# [12:57] <@smaug> yes
# [12:57] <Ms2ger> glandium, well, that's somewhat hard if all 8 runs need focus...
# [12:58] <mayhemer> smaug: ok, there is nothing like that at all
# [12:58] <@smaug> mayhemer: almost any addref/release for example
# [12:58] <glandium> Ms2ger: not all tests need focus
# [12:58] <Ms2ger> No
# [12:58] <mayhemer> smaug: nothing like that
# [12:58] <mayhemer> smaug: VET is quit pure :)
# [12:58] <@smaug> mayhemer: basically, when we're not profiling, please make sure we don't actually spend any extra time in instrumentation code
# [12:58] <Archaeopteryx> edmorley|mibbet: [09:33:08] philor leaves the WinXP PGO jsreftest bustage and the various PGO retriggers on edmorley's door mat, like a cat leaving a lovely bird with only the head chewed off
# [12:59] <mayhemer> smaug: everything is (void)0 when you don't build with --enable-visual-event-tracer
# [12:59] <hsivonen> smaug: thanks
# [12:59] <@smaug> ah, I thought the profiler would enabled using some pref
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# [12:59] <hsivonen> smaug: also, thanks for taking care of bugs while I was away
# [12:59] <Ms2ger> toolkit/components/osfile/ is Yoric, right?
# [13:00] <glandium> Ms2ger: yes
# [13:00] <edmorley|mibbet> Archaeopteryx: lol
# [13:00] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: any minute now for the jsreftest
# [13:01] <edmorley|mibbet> \o/
# [13:01] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: keep the joy for when(if) it turns green
# [13:01] <@smaug> hsivonen: np
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# [13:06] <glandium> man i hate this moment on tbpl where the letters disappear after the test is finished and the result is displayed
# [13:07] <glandium> s/and/and before/
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# [13:07] <edmorley|mibbet> glandium: likewise
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# [13:14] <@smaug> Hmm, what is jcranmer|away's bugmail
# [13:15] <Ms2ger> :pidgeot28?
# [13:15] <@smaug> ah, yeah
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# [13:16] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: man, it's taking longer than the test itself
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# [13:17] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: :jcranmer
# [13:17] <jcranmer|away> or Pidgeot18@gmail
# [13:17] <Ms2ger> Oh, 18
# [13:17] <Ms2ger> One doesn't often see Pidgeots around here anymore
# [13:17] <AryehGregor> Hmm. DOMPoint is basically std::pair<nsCOMPtr<nsIDOMNode>, PRInt32>. I want an nsINode equivalent. What should I call it?
# [13:17] <AryehGregor> BoundaryPoint!
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# [13:18] <Ms2ger> Point ;)
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# [13:18] <jcranmer|away> there's a very easy way to remember it
# [13:18] <AryehGregor> That seems too ambiguous, though.
# [13:18] <AryehGregor> Even namespaced.
# [13:18] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [13:18] <Ms2ger> NonDOMDOMPoint
# [13:18] <jcranmer|away> what number is Pidgeot in the original one?
# [13:18] <jcranmer|away> :-P
# [13:18] <Ms2ger> Oh, is that it?
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# [13:18] <Ms2ger> I only know 25 :)
# [13:19] <jcranmer|away> I used to know the list by heart
# [13:19] <jcranmer|away> now I only know a few
# [13:19] * AryehGregor too :/
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# [13:20] <AryehGregor> 18 for Pidgeot sounds about right.
# [13:21] <edmorley|mibbet> lots of infra issues on m-c :-/
# [13:22] <edmorley|mibbet> s/lots of/yet another day of nightlies having problem whilst cloning due to/
# [13:23] <jcranmer> sigh, we need a clang tinderbox builder, and clang needs my plugin patch to be checked in
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# [13:23] <jcranmer> I think it's almost been a week since I last hounded clang people?
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# [13:26] <@smaug> AryehGregor: DOMPoint, BoundaryPoint, CaretPosition... I wonder how many Node:offset pairs we'll have
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# [13:27] <jcranmer> glandium: when does the next Debian stable get cut?
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# [13:28] <glandium> jcranmer: when it's ready
# [13:28] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, 2057
# [13:29] <jcranmer> glandium: a rough estimate time frame? next week, month, year, decade?
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# [13:29] <glandium> jcranmer: hopefully, some time this year
# [13:30] <glandium> jcranmer: if that's about gcc 4.4, i think one of the ubuntu lts has that too (and some people were using it not so long ago)
# [13:30] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: is there something wrong with tbpl? the test result is *still* not there
# [13:31] <jcranmer> in theory, we could probably drop support for building on esr-like distros if the new esr comes after the next distro release
# [13:32] <glandium> jcranmer: note that openbsd is still on 4.2
# [13:33] <edmorley|mibbet> looking on buildapi
# [13:33] <jcranmer> is it openbsd or freebsd who is moving to clang?
# [13:33] <Ms2ger> I think gastonbsd hasn't
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# [13:36] <glandium> jcranmer: freebsd
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# [13:38] <jcranmer> I think we're planning on killing 4.2 support as soon as we get off of OS X
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# [13:38] <jcranmer> so the openbsd people will have to build clang to build firefo
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# [13:45] <hsivonen> is there an up-to-date guide for migrating to clang for local builds on Ubuntu? is clang's output compatible with Eclipse CDT?
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# [13:45] <jwatt> hsivonen: clang's output is compatible
# [13:46] <hsivonen> jwatt: nice
# [13:46] <hsivonen> I really should update Eclipse, but I'm afraid that I lose the little gdb compat I have now
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# [13:46] <jwatt> hsivonen: you need to be using Eclipse Juno though
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# [13:47] <hsivonen> jwatt: ok
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# [13:47] <jwatt> it was fixed to support clang in june
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# [13:49] <hsivonen> hmm. too many "Eclipse for Foo" downloads these days...
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# [13:52] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: it got pending again
# [13:52] <hsivonen> I wonder if my Eclipse setting files will be permanently non-downgradeable if I run Juno once...
# [13:52] <hsivonen> maybe I should back up *everything* first...
# [13:54] <edmorley|mibbet> glandium: actually think it is fad7d06d7dd5
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# [13:57] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: actually, it's pretty clear. 425a7ec173a9 is okay and fd0f3b5283d4 only touches editor
# [13:58] <edmorley|mibbet> yeah :-)
# [13:59] <edmorley|mibbet> code conflicts :-(
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# [14:02] <edmorley|mibbet> luke: ping
# [14:02] <edmorley|mibbet> !seen bhackett
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# [14:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/64cff7aafcc4 - Anant Narayanan - Bug 771833: Assign an nsIPrincipal to media streams returned by getUserMedia; r=roc
# [14:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3bbd6655fb05 - Anant Narayanan - Bug 691234: Part 1/3: Move MediaEngine files and tweak interface; r=roc
# [14:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3059151ff349 - Anant Narayanan - Bug 691234: Part 2/3: Implement WebRTC backend for MediaEngine on Desktop; r=jesup, r=roc
# [14:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d3ef213c75b - Anant Narayanan - Bug 691234: Part 3/3: Add DOM binding for getUserMedia on Desktop; r=jst
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# [14:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0be4b70b814 - Ed Morley - Backout 6bbf3f22bb5d (bug 753158), 38a703b244c2 (bug 753145), c9a5dfa1b07d (bug 767750), cd782fd66995 & 6cf7aa93994c (bug 765956), 0253f34f6bc2 & 41d5c8529748 (bug
# [14:16] <firebot> 771039),94f6bf99a4aa (bug 766447),fad7d06d7dd5 (bug 772303) for winxp pgo-only jsreftest failures (caused by fad7d06d7dd5) and the rest for conflicts, on a CLOSED TREE
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# [14:24] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: ping
# [14:24] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: you backed out all that touched js/src after fad7d06d7dd5?
# [14:28] <edmorley|mibbet> glandium: just those that caused unresolvable conflicts with the files that bhacketts landing touched
# [14:28] <edmorley|mibbet> and then the csets that depended on those landings accoirding to bugzilla
# [14:28] <edmorley|mibbet> hopefully got them all
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# [14:35] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: I'm right here
# [14:35] <bhackett> trying to ping you
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# [14:35] <bhearsum> darktrojan: hmm?
# [14:35] <glandium> edmorley|mibbet: do you have bhackett in your /ignore list ?
# [14:35] <darktrojan> bhearsum, partial updates
# [14:36] <bhearsum> darktrojan: oh, that
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# [14:36] <bhearsum> yes, i somehow got roped into it ;)
# [14:36] <darktrojan> at last \o/
# [14:36] <Cwiiis> Anyone know what to pass to PerfConfigurator --activeTests to get it to run the talos 'other' tests?
# [14:36] <bhearsum> hehe
# [14:36] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: bah, mibbet channel list and tab complete lying to me
# [14:36] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: you confirmed the pgo regression was due to the rooting patch, right?
# [14:36] <bhearsum> Cwiiis: not offhand, but looking at a full talos 'other' log will probably have the answer
# [14:36] <bhackett> it looks that way from the inbound page
# [14:37] <bhackett> er, rooting patch == bug 772303
# [14:37] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: as far as far I could, yes
# [14:37] <bhearsum> darktrojan: just to avoid any possibility for confusion, what i'm working on is only going to affect desktop releases
# [14:37] <Cwiiis> bhearsum, ah, thanks :)
# [14:37] <darktrojan> bhearsum, I read that :(
# [14:37] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: if so, it's pretty plainly a pgo bug. is there any way to use try to test workarounds? I don't see any way to mark builds for pgo
# [14:37] <darktrojan> have to start somewhere though
# [14:37] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: sorry just seen your other ping above, using mibbet due to an issue with the remote machine that I normally run the client off of, so no sound notifcations and highlighting a bit messed up
# [14:38] <bhearsum> darktrojan: yeah
# [14:38] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: you mean to test pgo on try?
# [14:38] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: yes
# [14:38] <darktrojan> I hate it when I miss a day and have to download the whole damn thing again
# [14:38] <bhearsum> tbh though, supporting multiple partials for nightlies (on desktop or android) is unlikely to happen until we have a much more robust system
# [14:38] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
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# [14:39] <bhearsum> but we definitely will have some groundwork done soon!
# [14:39] <bhearsum> gotta run an errand - bbs
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# [14:39] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: will that run winxp? my other try builds don't seem to run on that platform
# [14:40] <edmorley|mibbet> edmorley|mibbet: yes
# [14:40] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: yes
# [14:40] <darktrojan> Unfocused, so um, I wrote a simple cache and ran browser_details.js http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1701307
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# [14:43] <Unfocused> darktrojan: heh... yes, that function gets called a lot :\ having been finding out interesting things like that while i've been playing around with call logging
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# [14:44] <darktrojan> is there no cache for stat calls?
# [14:44] <darktrojan> even php has one
# [14:45] <Unfocused> https://github.com/Unfocused/gcli-commands/blob/master/chrome-calllog.mozcmd although, its rather annoying to use on the addons manager without the work being done in bug 767236
# [14:45] <Unfocused> dunno, i don't think so
# [14:47] <darktrojan> Unfocused, that's ^ with the new debugger stuff is it?
# [14:47] <Unfocused> yep!
# [14:47] <Unfocused> its a little epically awesome
# [14:48] * darktrojan knows nothing about it
# [14:48] <Unfocused> https://blog.mozilla.org/jorendorff/2012/05/08/screencast-debugger-in-scratchpad/
# [14:48] <Unfocused> ^ has pretty pictures
# [14:49] <glandium> darktrojan: the kernel caches that
# [14:49] <darktrojan> pictures are about my level
# [14:49] <darktrojan> so I'm told
# [14:49] <Unfocused> oh, that's good. still, i bet caching it locally ends up being a win
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# [14:50] <Unfocused> darktrojan: pfft
# [14:50] <glandium> Unfocused: on linux, no. on osx and win, probably
# [14:51] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: I fired off rev ff3ccf8df758 on try, but it just seems to be win opt, not winxp pgo
# [14:52] <darktrojan> what the, where do I get an environment menu for my scratchpad?
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# [14:53] <glandium> darktrojan: about:config, set devtools.chrome.enabled to true
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# [14:53] <darktrojan> oh right
# [14:54] <glandium> bhackett: you need to add mk_add_options MOZ_PGO=1 to the mozconfig on try
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# [14:54] <Unfocused> i wish we had just one prefs that enabled all the special chrome tools :\
# [14:54] <darktrojan> just like it says in the video
# [14:54] <Unfocused> er, one pref
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# [14:55] <bhackett> glandium: I modified browser/config/mozconfigs/win32/nightly per the instructions so I guess the 'Win opt' will be building a PGO build, but my concern is more that it's not building winxp, which is where the failure occurred
# [14:55] <bhackett> glandium: there does not seem to be a way to trigger winxp builds on try
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# [14:55] <glandium> bhackett: we don't actually build on xp, we run tests on it with the win builds
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# [14:57] <bhackett> glandium: ok, how are those tests triggered? none of the last few try revisions I looked at ran any tests on winxp, despite building/testing win
# [14:58] <glandium> bhackett: that's a good question. maybe using -p win32 disables them
# [14:58] <glandium> because they are run with -p all
# [14:59] <bhackett> glandium: well, my most recent try is -p win32, but I normally use -p all, and winxp still doesn't run
# [14:59] <edmorley|mibbet> there are some platforms that don't behave well with trychooser and you just have to use -p all
# [14:59] <edmorley|mibbet> I didn't realise winxp was one of them, I'll file a bug
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# [14:59] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: do you have the try run that didn't run winxp tests?
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# [15:00] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=07840ebc3ab9 might work. it doesn't load for me atm, I don't know what's up with tbpl.mozilla.org
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# [15:01] <cjones> arrggh
# [15:02] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: hg/hgweb issues (bug 770811 / bug 772819)
# [15:02] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: thank you for the link
# [15:02] <cjones> inbound says open, hg tells me otherwise
# [15:02] <Unfocused> darktrojan: oh, incase you didn't see it, some context for that mozcmd file: http://incompleteness.me/blog/2012/06/25/hackathon-details/
# [15:02] <edmorley|mibbet> cjones: refresh tbpl
# [15:02] <edmorley|mibbet> it is closed
# [15:02] <darktrojan> Unfocused, yeah, something else I have yet to play with
# [15:03] <Unfocused> :)
# [15:03] <darktrojan> people keep giving me stuff to fix
# [15:03] <Unfocused> .... oops
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# [15:03] <glandium> cjones: reload tbpl
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# [15:05] <Unfocused> heh
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# [15:11] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: the try run linked has loaded; but is a -p all. The only reason winxp tests didn't run is because the win opt build was cancelled before it had completed (by self serve, from your LDAP)
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# [15:12] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: ah, ok
# [15:12] <bhackett> edmorley|mibbet: will winxp tests run with -p win32, or do they need -p all
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# [15:15] <RattyAway> hey
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# [15:16] <RattyAway> dao: someone flagged me to review https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736572#attach_641378
# [15:16] <edmorley|mibbet> bhackett: it is the first I've heard of them not running with -p win32, but I've never had cause to use it, so can't say for sure, sorry
# [15:16] <RattyAway> I'm not a firefox peer, who can I foreward this to?
# [15:16] <edmorley|mibbet> RattyAway: for situations like that, I tend to use https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Firefox :-)
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# [15:17] <dao> RattyAway: you can forward it to me
# [15:18] <RattyAway> edmorley|mibbet: I'm looking at that page interestingly enough db48x isn't listed as peer but I'm sure he still owns pageInfo.
# [15:18] <RattyAway> dao: thanks.
# [15:18] <edmorley|mibbet> RattyAway: I would not be surprised in the slightest if parts of that page were out of date; maybe ping him to check it?
# [15:19] <RattyAway> hmm ok.
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# [15:22] <edmorley|mibbet> inbound reopened since enough green to show I (hopefully) didn't miss any dependencies in the backout. (not going to wait until winxp pgo jsreftest since still 4 hours away
# [15:22] <edmorley|mibbet> )
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# [15:24] <NeilAway> RattyAway: wait, someone porting a patch?
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# [15:25] <RattyAway> NeilAway: yeah I can't review it anyway since I wrote the original patch.
# [15:25] <Unfocused> if that page is out of date, bug gavin to update it
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# [15:26] <RattyAway> Unfocused: does db48x want to review anything outside pageInfo?
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# [15:27] <RattyAway> Heh
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# [15:51] <AryehGregor> Is it acceptable to call Foo(getter_AddRefs(something), getter_AddRefs(something)), or will that cause the world to blow up?
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# [15:58] <jdm> AryehGregor: that looks a bit terrifying, but I wouldn't expect a blowup. I'm pretty sure getter_AddRefs just ensures that no addref occurs in the caller
# [15:59] <AryehGregor> It seems like the pointer becomes null, but maybe it's for some other reason.
# [15:59] <jdm> huh
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# [16:00] <@bsmedberg> bholley: pong
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# [16:00] <AryehGregor> I just finished rewriting a function that's a couple hundred lines long, nsHTMLEditRules::WillDeleteSelection, and finally got it to compile. Now I have to work out the crashes.
# [16:01] <AryehGregor> (I originally typo'd that as "a couple hundred lines wrong", which was extremely appropriate before the rewrite.)
# [16:02] <bholley> bsmedberg: hey
# [16:02] <bholley> bsmedberg: I just posted those plugin patches in the bug
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# [16:02] <bholley> bsmedberg: Do you have the time to review them interactively over IRC? I'd like to hurry with them given the time sensitivity
# [16:03] <@bsmedberg> bholley: maybe, let me look
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# [16:04] <bholley> bsmedberg: the patches are pretty straightforward
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# [16:04] <@bsmedberg> bholley: yeah, but this is all jst-code, so I might have to read code for context ;-)
# [16:04] <bholley> bsmedberg: haha. He's the one responsible for this…second xpconnect?
# [16:04] <@bsmedberg> yes
# [16:05] <@bsmedberg> binary-stable xpconnect to boot!
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# [16:16] <ejpbruel> who can i ask about pgo builds?
# [16:16] <jdm> bholley: which bug?
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# [16:16] <bholley> jdm: which?
# [16:16] <jdm> the plugin thing you were talking about?
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# [16:19] <edmorley|mibbet> ejpbruel: what in particular about?
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# [16:20] <ejpbruel> edmorley: i have access to a build slave and am trying to do a pgo build on the latest m-c pull, but am seeing some errors
# [16:20] <edmorley|mibbet> ejpbruel: if you need pgo on try, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
# [16:20] <edmorley|mibbet> ejpbruel: oh
# [16:20] <bholley> jdm: bug 771202
# [16:20] <edmorley|mibbet> ejpbruel: ask glandium maybe?
# [16:21] <ejpbruel> edmorley: ill try. thanks :)
# [16:21] <ejpbruel> glandium: ping
# [16:21] <glandium> ejpbruel: pong
# [16:21] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: it will leak because one outparam will stomp over the other
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# [16:24] <ejpbruel> glandium: im seeing some errors when doing a pgo build on latest m-c
# [16:24] <ejpbruel> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1701369
# [16:24] <ejpbruel> any clue as to what im doing wrong?
# [16:24] <glandium> ejpbruel: looks like you're not using the right toolchain
# [16:25] <ejpbruel> glandium: im building from a build slave
# [16:25] <glandium> ejpbruel: you seem to be using the system gcc 4.1
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# [16:25] <ejpbruel> glandium: how do i get it to use the right toolchain?
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# [16:25] <glandium> ejpbruel: set CC and CXX properly
# [16:26] <glandium> ejpbruel: see build/unix/mozconfig.linux
# [16:26] <ejpbruel> right
# [16:26] <ejpbruel> doesnt make -f client.mk profiledbuild set CC/CXX properly?
# [16:26] <ejpbruel> thats what id have expect
# [16:26] <ejpbruel> oh well
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# [16:27] <ejpbruel> glandium: rebuilding now, thanks :)
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# [16:28] <glandium> ejpbruel: how would /tools/gcc-4.5-0moz3/bin/gcc be right on developer machines? ;)
# [16:29] <ejpbruel> glandium: thats... a good point
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# [16:37] <ejpbruel> glandium: so, ive set CC and CXX via export *and* put it in my mozconfig, but no dice
# [16:37] <ejpbruel> glandium: still seeing the same error
# [16:38] <glandium> ejpbruel: did you make -f client.mk configure ?
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# [16:38] <ejpbruel> no, is that mandatory after such a change? (i usually build without using client.mk)
# [16:38] <glandium> yes
# [16:39] <ejpbruel> gotcha
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# [16:44] <ejpbruel> glandium: that seems like it has worked, thanks again :)
# [16:45] <glandium> np
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# [16:48] <@ehsan> BenWa: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa86aaa84
# [16:49] <@ehsan> BenWa: http://www.graememcc.co.uk/m-cmerge/
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# [16:49] <AryehGregor> bkero, fox2mike, I'm hitting bug 766810.
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# [16:52] <AryehGregor> (i.e., Operation not permitted: /repo/hg/mozilla/integration/mozilla-inbound/.hg/journal.bookmarks)
# [16:53] <catlee> fox2mike: ^^
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# [16:54] <philor> the bug says ashish paged bkero 15 minutes ago
# [16:54] <AryehGregor> Ah, okay.
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# [16:58] <jcranmer> Jesse_: I wonder, do you follow John Regehr's blog?
# [16:59] <philor> ah, convenient, the PGO regex bustage isn't WinXP only, just WinXP mostly
# [16:59] <mccr8> jcranmer: I believe he does
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# [17:05] <lduros> when you add an extension in chrome manifest, do you have to specify all filenames? Or should this work >> @BINPATH@/extensions/priv3@icsi.berkeley.edu/
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# [17:07] <ejpbruel> glandium: im afraid i cried victory too soon
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# [17:07] <ejpbruel> glandium: still seeing the same error
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# [17:08] * bkero is looking at mozilla-inbound
# [17:08] * philor changes topic to 'Yes, you are experiencing bug 766810 when pushing to inbound || Next uplift for Fx16: 2012-07-16 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , logbot.glob.com.au'
# [17:08] <ejpbruel> glandium i did make -f ../client.mk configure and make -f ../client.mk profiledbuild from my obj dir
# [17:08] <ejpbruel> relevant .mozconfig: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1701395
# [17:09] <edmorley|mibbet> philor: only 60 more mins until pgo winxp confirmed fixed :-)
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# [17:10] <philor> edmorley|mibbet: good work triggering 766810, though, the pending test backlog on try cleaned up beautifully once inbound stopped taking pushes :)
# [17:10] <AryehGregor> ehsan, so should I make nsRangeStore extend nsISupports, or is there a different way I should do it because I don't need QI?
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# [17:10] <glandium> ejpbruel: check CC and CXX in objdir/config/autoconf.mk
# [17:10] <AryehGregor> (an example simple refcounted class would be good)
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# [17:11] <ejpbruel> glandium: looks like they are not set. should i just clobber my build dir?
# [17:11] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: NS_DECL_INLINE_REFCOUNTING
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# [17:11] <bkero> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root scm_level_3 32 Jul 12 07:58 lock -> hgssh1.dmz.scl3.mozilla.com:5911
# [17:11] <bkero> There be a lock on mozilla-inbound
# [17:11] <glandium> ejpbruel: make -f client.mk configure should change it if your mozconfig is correct.
# [17:11] <edmorley|mibbet> philor: yeah added bonus :-) (though does mean even more condensed pushes and thus coalescing later today :-()
# [17:11] <glandium> ejpbruel: try adding export CC CXX to your mozconfig
# [17:12] <bkero> the lock be gone now
# [17:12] <bkero> edmorley|mibbet: ping
# [17:12] <edmorley|mibbet> bkero: hi
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# [17:12] <philor> going to be brutal from now until drinking time
# [17:12] <bkero> edmorley|mibbet: can you try pushing to inbound now?
# [17:12] <bkero> I want to see if the issue resolved
# [17:12] <philor> maybe this would be a good day for a very early cantina in MV?
# [17:12] <edmorley|mibbet> bkero: just done so, same issue
# [17:12] <philor> open bar, right now
# [17:13] <edmorley|mibbet> bkero: btw due to comment 33 in the bug, do we think this may be occurring just when someone hits the hook?
# [17:13] <AryehGregor> NeilAway, you mean NS_INLINE_DECL_REFCOUNTING?
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# [17:14] <bkero> edmorley|mibbet: I haven't seen anything to indicate it's happening when we hit a hook
# [17:14] <bkero> However I do see two hg serve requests running
# [17:14] <bkero> Chris Lord in here at all?
# [17:16] <mbrubeck> bkero: He's Cwiiis
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# [17:16] <ejpbruel> glandium: after clobbering, it now complains about: /home/cltbld/mozilla-central/obj/build/unix/elfhack/elfhack: /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found (required by /home/cltbld/mozilla-central/obj/build/unix/elfhack/elfhack)
# [17:16] <ejpbruel> i guess i have to set that up too?
# [17:16] <bkero> mbrubeck: thanks
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# [17:17] <glandium> ejpbruel: MOZCONFIG=browser/config/mozconfigs/linux32/nightly
# [17:17] <Cwiiis> bkero, something up?
# [17:17] <bkero> Cwiiis: was wondering if you were having any problems with the push you just did
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# [17:17] <Cwiiis> bkero, it says it inserted successfully
# [17:17] <bkero> okay, thanks
# [17:18] <Cwiiis> though I think I may be about to cancel it and try a new one :p Is that alright?
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# [17:18] <bkero> edmorley|mibbet: can you check hg's return value please?
# [17:19] <edmorley|mibbet> 255
# [17:20] <bkero> That's what I thought
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# [17:21] <nemo> lol. so, my galaxy note running firefox stable crashed in libskia
# [17:21] <nemo> according to about:crashes.
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# [17:21] <nemo> what amuses me is the crash address. 0xdeadbaad
# [17:21] <zzzzz> lol
# [17:21] <bkero> edmorley|mibbet: did you have a successful push anytime today, maybe around 07:05 PST?
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# [17:24] <espindola> is m-i broken?
# [17:24] <espindola> remote: abort: Operation not permitted: /repo/hg/mozilla/integration/mozilla-inbound/.hg/journal.bookmarks
# [17:24] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [17:24] <Ms2ger> See the topic
# [17:24] <Ms2ger> And the tree status
# [17:24] <pedro> hello there. Anyone uses google docs (spredsheet) and nightly? There seems to be a new bug introduced a few days ago and I'm not being able to find it reported yet (but maybe my ability to search just sucks)
# [17:24] <espindola> oops
# [17:24] <espindola> thanks
# [17:25] <nemo> jdm: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-8c5a39f4-e83d-43e2-b944-a5eee2120711
# [17:25] <jdm> oh look, android
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# [17:25] <nemo> jdm: well. ofc. it is a galaxy note after all :)
# [17:25] <jdm> ah yes, I can read
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# [17:25] <froydnj> pedro: too-big spacing or something else?
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# [17:26] <Ms2ger> I seem to remember tbpl crashes on 0xdeadbaad
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# [17:26] <bkero> nothing :/
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# [17:27] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: yeah, sorry
# [17:27] <@smaug> how annoying... trying to install linux to these new ultrabooks requires one to figure out first how to get rid of all sorts of hibernation and recovery partitions
# [17:27] <BenWa> ehsan: I can't merge that rev. There's a backout later
# [17:27] <bkero> a bunch of journal files exist, which the mercurial documentation tells me means "a transaction is in progress or has been interrupted. "
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# [17:27] <@ehsan> BenWa: ouch
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# [17:28] <bkero> smaug: fdisk worked pretty well doing that for me :)
# [17:28] <pedro> froydnj: http://i.imm.io/wcEw.png
# [17:28] <@ehsan> BenWa: I wish there was a way that you could easily tell whether a revision is safe to merge
# [17:28] <@smaug> bkero: well, I want to keep Windows working
# [17:28] <@ehsan> pedro: that's a known bug
# [17:28] <pedro> froydnj: clicking on a cell, the visual selection has an offset
# [17:28] <@ehsan> pedro: google is fixing it :)
# [17:28] <BenWa> ehsan: How do I undo my commit but not pushed changes
# [17:28] <pedro> ehsan: oh ! \o/
# [17:28] <BenWa> strip?
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# [17:28] <bkero> smaug: oh, you're trying to do complicated things :P I don't know if anybody's ever kept Windows working, but you could just shrink the main ntfs partition.
# [17:28] <@ehsan> pedro: bug 735579 iinm
# [17:28] <pedro> ehsan: do we have a bug number on our side? (or on theirs)
# [17:28] <pedro> ehsan: thanks!
# [17:28] <@ehsan> BenWa: yeah strip should work
# [17:29] <bkero> mdas: you have any luck with your mozilla-inbound push?
# [17:29] <@ehsan> pedro: oh wrong bug
# [17:29] <@ehsan> gimme a sec
# [17:29] <@ehsan> pedro: bug 770045 :)
# [17:29] <mdas> bkero: nope
# [17:29] <bkero> okay
# [17:29] <mdas> I was trying to figure out what's going on
# [17:29] <mdas> any ideas?
# [17:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b24995e163b5 - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 772853 - upgrade clang to r160105. r=rail.
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# [17:30] <mdas> BenWa: I usually use strip
# [17:31] <bkero> Someone want to try again?
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# [17:31] <mdas> bkero: sure
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# [17:31] <mdas> bkero: it aborted again
# [17:31] <bkero> mdas: we know the problem exists, not sure the cause yet
# [17:31] <mdas> okey
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# [17:32] <bkero> Try again please?
# [17:33] <mdas> bkero: it succeeded this time
# [17:33] <bkero> I moved the journal/undo files into a backup directory
# [17:33] <bkero> edmorley|mibbet: ^
# [17:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed4888197cb5 - Malini Das - Bug 771224 - use chrome:// instead of loading remote xul. r=jgriffin
# [17:34] <BenWa> edmorley|mibbet: ping?
# [17:34] <BenWa> philor: ping
# [17:35] <philor> BenWa: what's up?
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# [17:35] <edmorley|mibbet> BenWa: hi
# [17:35] <BenWa> philor: We haven't merged in forever and there isn't a good merge point yet
# [17:35] <BenWa> The best thing is f0be4b70b814 (2nd from tip) but it doesn't have a PGO build
# [17:35] <edmorley|mibbet> BenWa: yes, we're waiting for f0be4b70b814
# [17:36] <BenWa> It's mostly green, would you guys we ok with my merging that without a green PGO?
# [17:36] <philor> nope
# [17:36] <philor> no way
# [17:36] <philor> not at all
# [17:36] <edmorley|mibbet> bkero: yes I had a successful push at that time
# [17:36] * BenWa can't tell if serious?
# [17:36] <BenWa> Alright I'll wait
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# [17:36] <philor> very serious
# [17:37] <BenWa> alright, np
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# [17:37] <philor> Ed has spent his entire day retriggering and testing and backing out to get to the point of that backout no longer having Win PGO only bustage
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# [17:38] <BenWa> That's fair, keeping the tree green is hard so I don't want to make it harder
# [17:38] <philor> lucky me, I only spent from midnight to 1 am on it
# [17:39] <edmorley|mibbet> BenWa: I can't wait until we use AWS more (today's blog post) so we can maybe do PGO more frequently than 3 hours
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# [17:40] * philor changes topic to 'Ping #it if experiencing bug 766810 when pushing to inbound || Next uplift for Fx16: 2012-07-16 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , logbot.glob.com.au'
# [17:40] <edmorley|mibbet> BenWa: the pgo bustage dance isn't a fun one for any of us unfortunately :-(
# [17:40] <BenWa> Yea I can't wait
# [17:40] <jdm> ehsan: ping
# [17:40] <@ehsan> jdm: hello
# [17:41] <BenWa> To bad AWS distcc builds don't help more
# [17:41] <jcranmer> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7/../../../../include/c++/4.7/bits/random.tcc:115:59: warning:
# [17:41] <jcranmer> variable 'multiplier' may cause static initializer
# [17:41] <jcranmer> linear_congruential_engine<_UIntType, __a, __c, __m>::multiplier;
# [17:41] <jcranmer> eww
# [17:41] <edmorley|mibbet> bkero: I can push now at least
# [17:41] <edmorley|mibbet> pedro: bug 770045 in case no one else has said (lots of scrollback to skim)
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# [17:42] <jdm> ehsan: do you think storing the window in the DownloadLastDir patches could be causing private docshells to remain alive?
# [17:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04df150d0cc3 - Robert Strong - Windows installer only - Bug 756325. r=bbondy
# [17:42] <jdm> this is complicated by the fact that we should be entering and exiting PB mode, which in my mind should negate that effect since we set the privacy anyways
# [17:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6f3c420aaa3 - Joe Walker - Bug 771992 - GCLI cookie command completion wonky in xmas tree case; r=dcamp
# [17:42] <pedro> edmorley|mibbet: yep - cc'd on that :) thank
# [17:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e4857e5dfb51 - Joel Maher - Bug 772893 - upload a new talos.zip to remove specialpowers from the default configuration. r=aki
# [17:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b4183760a813 - Ed Morley - Merge mozilla-central to mozilla-inbound
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# [17:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b639f976a00 - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 772963: remove empty parameter name. r=Neil DONTBUILD for m-c land
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# [17:44] <bkero> edmorley|mibbet: yeah, confirmed that a bit ago with mdas :)
# [17:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/46804c31366b - Andrew Halberstadt - Bug 772307 - Add dummy browser.manifestURL pref to user.js to prevent B2G from dying, r=jgriffin
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# [17:45] <@ehsan> jdm: it might be, yes
# [17:45] <@ehsan> jdm: I'm not sure if I can parse your second sentence though
# [17:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/70d92a6ccdfa - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [17:45] <@ehsan> jdm: do we have something similar to weak refs in js?
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# [17:46] <jdm> ehsan: WeakMap, I expect
# [17:46] <Ms2ger> "Mozilla Persona rebranding"
# [17:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fe7cb8cd6c6d - Joe Walker - Bug 771356 - GCLI "console clear" command doesn't appear to clear the console; r=dcamp
# [17:46] <@smaug> and weak refs too
# [17:46] <Ms2ger> What's it refer to now, a boat?
# [17:46] <@ehsan> jdm: is that a js thing?
# [17:46] <jdm> smaug: how do weak refs work in js?
# [17:46] <sawrubh> jdm: do you want me to link that log ?
# [17:46] <@smaug> trying to remember
# [17:46] <jdm> sawrubh: no, don't worry
# [17:46] <@smaug> jdm: IIRC we have some automatic XPCOM object -> weak js ref thingie
# [17:46] * sawrubh sits down with some popcorn
# [17:47] <@ehsan> hrm
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# [17:47] <@smaug> ehsan: or are you interested only in js <-> js ?
# [17:47] <@smaug> and something for web pages
# [17:48] <bkero> I don't think we should be using this repository hook: pretxnchangegroup: Controlling. This is run after a group of changesets has been brought into the local repository from another, but before the transaction completes that will make the changes permanent in the repository.
# [17:48] <jdm> smaug: I'm interested in a way to retain a reference to a variable without keeping it alive
# [17:48] <jdm> which sounds like a weakmap to me
# [17:48] <@ehsan> smaug: js -> C++
# [17:48] <@ehsan> in other words, js -> docshell
# [17:48] <Ms2ger> ehsan, need to implement nsIWeakReference, then
# [17:49] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: well how do you use nsIWeakReference on the js side?
# [17:49] <@smaug> ehsan: I'm thinking about this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317304
# [17:49] * @ehsan checks to see if docshells implement that
# [17:49] <jdm> hmm, interesting
# [17:50] <@ehsan> turns out that docshells don't implement nsIWeakReference :(
# [17:50] <@ehsan> hmm
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# [17:50] <@smaug> ehsan: I'm not sure that is needed
# [17:50] <@ehsan> smaug: so if I hold on to a docshell through a weak js reference, will CC be able to kill it?
# [17:51] <@smaug> ehsan: that bug is not about normal nsIWeakReference
# [17:51] <@ehsan> right
# [17:51] <@smaug> but I'm not quite sure how it all works...reading the code now :)
# [17:51] <@ehsan> so I think the answer to my question there should be yes :)
# [17:51] <@ehsan> ok, thanks
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# [17:55] <NeilAway> benjamin: wait, didn't that land once already?
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# [17:57] <bkero> http://i.imgur.com/s3Fga.jpg
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# [17:58] <jdm> ehsan: it doesn't look like Cu.getWeakReference requires anything from the underlying object
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# [17:58] <bholley> jdm: how do I submit a mozilla meme?
# [17:58] <Ms2ger> bholley, http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/submit
# [17:58] * bholley just saw that
# [17:59] <sawrubh> Ms2ger: who approves them ?
# [17:59] <@ehsan> jdm: yeah, unless I'm reading that patch incorrectly
# [17:59] <Ms2ger> jdm is
# [17:59] <NeilAway> jdm: can you submit URLs without cheating yet?
# [17:59] <sawrubh> apparently, I've gotten patches r+ed but not memes :(
# [17:59] <@ehsan> sawrubh: we have a way higher quality bar on memes
# [17:59] * sawrubh plans to work on his meme skills
# [17:59] <sawrubh> ehsan: ;)
# [18:00] <jdm> NeilAway: what kind of cheating?
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# [18:01] <sawrubh> jdm: oops I hadn't seen your suggestions :)
# [18:01] * sawrubh gets down to work
# [18:01] <NeilAway> jdm: in my case, DOM Inspector
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# [18:02] <gabor> bholley you already did
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# [18:02] <bholley> gabor: but not on mozillamemes
# [18:02] <jdm> NeilAway: I'm not sure what it means to submit a url
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# [18:03] <gabor> bholley: I have to admit that was an epic trolling :D I laughed out loud for real on it
# [18:04] <bholley> gabor: I laughed out loud for real when i read the patch ;-)
# [18:04] <Ms2ger> Context please ;)
# [18:04] <gabor> bholley: yeah... and I was reminding myself 10 times to update that other patch too...
# [18:04] <bholley> Ms2ger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769273#c31
# [18:04] <NeilAway> jdm: well, when you use one of the meme generators, it hosts the picture and gives you the link
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# [18:05] <NeilAway> jdm: why should I have to save and upload the picture when I can send you the link?
# [18:05] <jhammel> my feelings exactly
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# [18:06] <jesup> jdm: the meme generators seem to make it hard to get a direct link to the image... ran into that last night trying to submit a meme
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# [18:06] <ebassi> jesup: lemme guess, using quickmeme?
# [18:06] <Ms2ger> jesup, firebug to the rescue :)
# [18:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a0c8be30a28b - Aryeh Gregor - Bug 771873 part 1 - Check for reversed indices in Selection::GetIndicesForInterval; r=ehsan
# [18:06] <jdm> jesup: it's true. I find the document inspector nice, since it jumps straight to the actual image.
# [18:06] <ebassi> it's pretty annoying
# [18:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f00954a0301 - Aryeh Gregor - Bug 771873 part 2 - Assert on addition overflow in nsTArray::RemoveElementsAt; r=bsmedberg
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# [18:07] <ebassi> and memegenerator is down/timeouts far too often
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# [18:07] <sawrubh> jdm: is it a problem with that website or is it intentional, when you click to save that image, they instead, save a useless, transparent image
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# [18:07] <jdm> sawrubh: intentional
# [18:07] <jesup> http://i.qkme.me/3q23lt.jpg - "print it out and scan it to pdf", then submit to shoeboxed to scan for amounts - way to go technology!
# [18:08] <ebassi> sawrubh: it's intentional
# [18:08] <sawrubh> jdm: nice trick to force innocent users to create accounts :)
# [18:08] <sawrubh> way to go , memegenerator
# [18:08] <ebassi> jdm: it's mostly to get eyeballs on the website
# [18:08] <ebassi> more than user accounts
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# [18:09] <benjamin> NeilAway: assuming you're talking about the xbl fix, Callek landed it on central and inbound
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# [18:11] <bholley> jdm: submitted
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# [18:13] <Fallen> are all mozcamp invitations out?
# [18:13] <Ms2ger> I got mine
# [18:13] <sawrubh> jdm: how long is the your review queue, for meme ;)
# [18:13] <bhearsum> for europe?
# [18:13] <Ms2ger> Warsaw
# [18:13] <bhearsum> ahh
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# [18:16] <Fallen> hm ok. I'll wait till monday :)
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# [18:17] <gabor> does anyone know where will be the Asian mozcamp located?
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# [18:17] <jdm> gabor: I don't think that information is available yet
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# [18:18] <ejpbruel> pgo builds take a long time, which makes fixing internal compiler errors a pain. any way to speed that process up?
# [18:18] <edmorley|mibbet> philor: green jsreftest \o/
# [18:18] <ejpbruel> gabor: presumably in Asia
# [18:18] <gabor> jdm: thanks
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# [18:18] <gabor> ejpbruel: go away
# [18:18] <jdm> bholley: <3
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# [18:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/69f5207c57c8 - Chris Peterson - Bug 773089 - Do not use "large" menus on Gingerbread devices. r=sriram
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# [18:18] <jcranmer> will there ever be a North American MozCamp?
# [18:18] <philor> :)
# [18:19] <jesup> jdm: right-click, View Image Info, easily found there, save :-)
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# [18:19] <jdm> it's sad; my admin interface lets me link photos by url
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# [18:19] <jdm> but guest submissions can't
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# [18:20] <jesup> jdm: are you the mod for Mozilla memes?
# [18:20] <jdm> jesup: yep
# [18:20] <bholley> jdm: you going to be around for the dom work week in august?
# [18:20] <jdm> bholley: yep
# [18:20] <bholley> jdm: hooray, we finally meet in person
# [18:20] <jesup> The one I posted above I submitted last night
# [18:20] <jdm> yep, I saw
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# [18:34] <NeilAway> benjamin: ah, right
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# [18:37] <@ted> ejpbruel: get some ridiculously fast (as in high clock speed) computer?
# [18:38] <@ted> ejpbruel: if you're talking about windows PGO builds, the final link step (which does all the real compilation) is the bottleneck and it's single-threaded
# [18:38] <ejpbruel> ted: so. do i have to explain how that is not a solution? :)
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# [18:47] <edmorley|mibbet> google are apparently emailing all google apps users suggesting they use chrome instead: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1701470 :-(
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# [18:48] <jhammel> yiy
# [18:48] <@gavin> Unfocused: the page isn't out of date
# [18:48] <jhammel> can we mail all firefox users and list several awful things google has done?
# [18:48] <wlach> edmorley|mibbet: haven't seen that on my google apps account yet
# [18:48] <@gavin> edmorley|mibbet: ^ too
# [18:48] <pedro> what really upsets me is not the fact that they are doing it. is the fact that we can't do the same! :p
# [18:49] <jhammel> pedro: s/can't/shouldn't/
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# [18:49] <edmorley|mibbet> they are also advertising chrome for android on the google chrome new tab page
# [18:49] <pedro> jhammel: thaaat's another story ;)
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# [18:50] <edmorley|mibbet> albeit the latter seems fairer, since if you are already using the desktop browser, it makes sense to use the matching mboile browser so you can take advantage of sync
# [18:50] <Ms2ger> edmorley|mibbet, well, we also advertise(d?) Fennec on our home page...
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# [18:55] <atulagrwl> Is there any known bug in which awesome bar is behaving weirdly along with back and forward button not working in latest nightly built of mac?
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# [18:57] <atulagrwl> Got disconnected… Posting again "Is there any known bug in which awesome bar is behaving weirdly along with back and forward button not working in latest nightly built of mac?"
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# [19:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/641a641e3903 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 772993 - Fix compiler warnings for widget/android. r=cpeterson
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# [19:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0649ff1f524 - Chris Jones - Bug 765734, part 2: Migrate ImageLayers to SurfaceDescriptor. r=mattwoodrow,roc
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# [19:08] <glandium> akeybl: ping
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# [19:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/417036b67368 - Chris Jones - Bug 765734, part 0.2: Remove \r from basic layers files. r=nrc
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# [19:09] <akeybl> hey glandium
# [19:09] <glandium> akeybl: hey
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# [19:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/738a193b05a0 - Chris Jones - Bug 765734, part 5: Disable texture-upload hacks on b2g. (This code is dead for android currently too, to be removed soon.) r=BenWa
# [19:09] <glandium> akeybl: just a heads up about bug 772841
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# [19:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b35f9011f26 - Chris Jones - Bug 765734, part 0: Do the right thing here. r=bent
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# [19:10] <glandium> akeybl: i think it should be landed for 14
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# [19:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/265d8525f707 - Chris Jones - Bug 765734, part 0.1: Gecko subprocesses on Gonk want propdb too. r=mwu
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# [19:11] <glandium> akeybl: the patch is currently on try, but that takes time because of the time it takes for pgo to run
# [19:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/089b9510e595 - Chris Jones - Bug 765734, part 6: Integrate gralloc buffers into the shadow-layers pipelines. r=gal
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# [19:12] <bhearsum> glandium: that seems pretty risky to take after we've shipped our last (planned) beta =\
# [19:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4ee990ea5eb4 - Chris Jones - Bug 765734, part 4: Add an RAII helper to open/close SurfaceDescriptors and mark usage of SurfaceDescriptor as ReadOnly or ReadWrite. r=BenWa,nrc sr=roc
# [19:12] <bhearsum> i guess it's not so bad if it's just reverting to old behaviour that we've shipped before...
# [19:12] <glandium> bhearsum: that's basically what it is
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# [19:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18d69de4ff67 - David Keeler - bug 760625 - use the blocklist to inform click-to-play plugins. r=joshmoz,bmcbride
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# [19:16] <anant> are the nightlies built at night PST or during the day? :)
# [19:16] <glandium> anant: at night PDT
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# [19:17] <anant> thanks!
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# [19:19] <atulagrwl> glandium: any known issue regarding address bar in current firefox nightly?
# [19:19] <glandium> atulagrwl: i don't know
# [19:19] <atulagrwl> glandium: okay
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# [19:54] <mcote> vlad: pong
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# [19:54] <vlad> mcote: heya, some speedtests questions if you have a minute
# [19:55] <mcote> yup yup, shoot
# [19:55] <vlad> i'm looking at the server code.. and it's got some sql tables that are specific per test
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# [19:55] <vlad> e.g. the kraken table with every test as a column
# [19:55] <mcote> yeah... heh
# [19:55] <vlad> does that mean that I'd have to do a custom sql thing for each test?
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# [19:55] <vlad> I'd ideally like to have something that will just take any test id that's given to it, even if it doesn't know about it ahead of time
# [19:55] <mcote> at the moment, yes, but I am totally open to changing it
# [19:56] <mcote> yup that would indeed be better
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# [19:56] <mcote> the test-specific tables approach was leftover from an earlier prototype
# [19:56] <mcote> it doesn't make much sense
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# [19:56] <vlad> ok; I might take a stab at doing that, since it'll make doing the stuff that I need much easier
# [19:56] <mcote> eventually this stuff will go into datazilla aka graph server 2.0 or 3.0 or something
# [19:56] <mcote> sure thing
# [19:56] <mcote> I didn't package the tests with the code because there are probably legal restrictions to distributing them
# [19:57] <mcote> none of the MS tests have any mention of license or anything in them
# [19:57] <vlad> nod; can you put up a bundle for me somewhere though?
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# [19:57] <mcote> yup
# [19:57] <vlad> or at least an example of some tests that are already converted to run in hre
# [19:57] <vlad> so I know what I'm looking for
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# [19:57] <mcote> I'll find a place to put them
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# [19:58] <mcote> actually they are available on the office network...one sec
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# [20:00] <mdas> who manages the PTO app?
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# [20:01] <mdas> it didnt send out the emails I asked it to send
# [20:01] <@bsmedberg> bholley: should GetJSObject just do the wrapping always, instead of doing it in nsHTMLPluginObjElementSH::GetPluginJSObject ?
# [20:02] <bholley> bsmedberg: maybe. I thought about it, I don't remember why I decided not to
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# [20:02] <bholley> bsmedberg: I can do that
# [20:03] <@bsmedberg> bholley: actually, what I really meant was
# [20:03] <@bsmedberg> bholley: nsNPObjWrapper::GetNewOrUsed
# [20:04] <bholley> bsmedberg: oh
# [20:04] <bholley> bsmedberg: uhhh
# [20:04] <bholley> bsmedberg: that gets kind of sketchy
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# [20:04] <bholley> bsmedberg: because, like, that stuff _really_ isn't compartment aware
# [20:04] <bholley> bsmedberg: and in particular, some of the things that currently live in that map are intentionally cross-compartment wrappers
# [20:04] <@bsmedberg> since we really should be handing out correct-compartment wrappers to *any* caller of that function
# [20:05] <@bsmedberg> wait, we have wrappers in that map?
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# [20:05] <bholley> bsmedberg: yes
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# [20:05] <bholley> bsmedberg: same-compartment security wrappers, at the very least
# [20:05] <bholley> bsmedberg: and I imagine there could be others
# [20:05] <@bsmedberg> I thought that map always contained the root JSObject with class=sJSObjWrapperNPClass
# [20:06] <bholley> bsmedberg: or, wait
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# [20:06] <bholley> bsmedberg: no, you're right
# [20:06] <bholley> bsmedberg: we hit those other things on argument conversion
# [20:06] <@bsmedberg> right
# [20:06] <@gavin> is a pref observer called twice if I do setBoolPref(true); setBoolPref(true);?
# [20:06] <@bsmedberg> gavin: I think not but I'm not 100% positive
# [20:06] <bholley> bsmedberg: but anyway, I'm kind of afraid to dig too much into that stuff, especially backporting
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# [20:07] <@bsmedberg> bholley: I bet I could get cross-compartment assertions with a pretty simple testcase unless we did that...
# [20:07] <bholley> bsmedberg: how so?
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# [20:08] <@bsmedberg> Have a plugin in doc A, create a bunch of NPAPI objects and hand them back to JS as nsNPObjWrapper
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# [20:08] <@bsmedberg> adopt that plugin into doc B
# [20:08] <@gavin> bsmedberg: looks like you're right
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# [20:08] <@bsmedberg> have it hand out the same NPAPI objects again
# [20:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ebc800948e7a - Luke Wagner - Bug 767750 - rm JSScript::evalHashLink (r=njn)
# [20:08] <@bsmedberg> we'd start handing out JSObjects which belong to compartment A to scripts in doc B
# [20:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/749d103d8636 - Luke Wagner - Bug 765956 - Set Bindings' parent eagerly (r=bhackett)
# [20:09] <bholley> bsmedberg: ugh
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# [20:09] <bholley> bsmedberg: yeah, all this machinery has been baked into XPConnect over time
# [20:09] <bholley> bsmedberg: but nothing for plugins
# [20:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3923d008386d - Luke Wagner - Bug 753158 - emit ALIASEDVAR ops for upvars (r=bhackett)
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# [20:10] <lduros> where is the page with features added to Firefox 13 and other releases? I can't find it anymore :-\
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# [20:14] <khuey> man
# [20:14] <khuey> bug 765645 is great
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# [20:17] <jhammel|mtg> khuey: quite :(
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# [20:18] <Ms2ger> khuey, wow, did God just call in to say that we shall support -moz-opacity?
# [20:18] <firebot> Check-in:
# [20:19] <Ms2ger> ...
# [20:19] <Ms2ger> Anything, firebot?
# [20:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67e09e165ce6 - David Zbarsky - Bug 758992 - Make the classes which use the XPCOM nsISupports implementation macros final, to avoid the warning about deleting using a pointer to a base class with
# [20:19] <firebot> virtual functions and no virtual dtor (toolkit/places); r=mak
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# [20:20] <khuey> Ms2ger: seems like it
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# [20:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/75657697cfb5 - David Zbarsky - Bug 758992 - Make the classes which use the XPCOM nsISupports implementation macros final, to avoid the warning about deleting using a pointer to a base class with
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# [20:20] <jwir3> khuey: Haha... he's going to send us a bill
# [20:20] <Ms2ger> ... that's somewhat annoying, being an atheist
# [20:21] <Waldo> "he that believeth not shall be damned"
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# [20:21] <firebot> virtual functions and no virtual dtor (extensions/cookie); r=mak
# [20:21] <Waldo> like, in the context of that bug that's just hilarious
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# [20:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/34982c7bcd30 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 773177 - java.lang.NullPointerException: at org.mozilla.gecko.TabsTray$TabsAdapter.refreshTabsData(TabsTray.java). r=mfinkle
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# [20:25] <khuey> jwir3: have you seen the board in the office in MV where we put the stupid email?
# [20:25] <khuey> er
# [20:25] <khuey> stupid mail
# [20:25] <Ms2ger> No pics no proof
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# [20:26] <jhammel|mtg> e tu, Ms2ger ?
# [20:26] <Ms2ger> 'et', jhammel
# [20:26] <jimm> how do browser chrome tests get kicked off if the testURL in runtests.py is set to about:blank?
# [20:26] <jwir3> khuey: no
# [20:26] <jwir3> khuey: Er... wait. Yes, I think I have
# [20:26] <tbsaunde> khuey: it fits on only one wall???
# [20:26] <jwir3> khuey: I saw the pile of crazy mail in Auckland.
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# [20:27] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, he didn't mention how many layers... ;)
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# [20:36] <jrmuizel> mcote: eideticker doesn't have any results from the last couple of days
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# [20:37] <mcote> jrmuizel: sure it does: http://wrla.ch/eideticker/dashboard
# [20:37] <mcote> admittedly missing this morning
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# [20:38] <mcote> the phone died last night apparently, but wlach is looking into it
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# [20:40] <marco> where can I find some documentation about restartless addons?
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# [20:41] <wlach> jrmuizel: ctalbert is going to reset the dead phone after the meeting; I'll rerun the dashboard then
# [20:41] <wlach> s/the meeting/a meeting/
# [20:42] <jrmuizel> mcote, wlach: I don't see any data newer than the 6th
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# [20:42] <wlach> jrmuizel: ah, it looks like taskjs is more behind than the other benchmarks
# [20:43] <jrmuizel> wlach: nytimes doesn't have any data newer than the 4th
# [20:43] <jrmuizel> nytimes scrolling
# [20:43] <mcote> we aren't running -xul and stock browser every day anymore
# [20:43] <mcote> at least, that's the plan; I assume wlach turned them off
# [20:43] <mcote> since xul is more or less dead, and stock browser doesn't change often
# [20:43] <wlach> jrmuizel: yeah, all probably due to bug 771375, which I am currently fixing
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# [20:44] <wlach> mcote: we will continue to run tests against stock, but only to establish a baseline
# [20:44] <mcote> oh ok
# [20:44] <mcote> so yeah, that data is missing. nightly appears to be up to date aside from this morning.
# [20:44] <wlach> I'm also working on the ability of getting backdated information into the eideticker dashboard
# [20:44] <wlach> so even if we miss a run it's not the end of the world
# [20:45] <wlach> so much to do
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> So little time
# [20:45] <mcote> I don't think the zooming works properly
# [20:45] <mcote> I can't zoom out
# [20:45] <wlach> mcote: WFM
# [20:45] <mcote> hm okay after a reload
# [20:46] <mcote> this graph is soooo tiny :)
# [20:46] <wlach> I'm sure the behaviour could be better, patches welcome etc
# [20:46] <mcote> ah works fine now. just some weird fluke
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# [20:48] <catlee> espindola: having a problem building with clang right now...ld can't find crtbegin.o
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# [20:49] <espindola> catlee, the clang packages we use on try?
# [20:49] <espindola> or have you built one yourself?
# [20:49] <catlee> espindola: yeah, I'm trying to use it on another machine
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# [20:50] <espindola> the clang package we use is configured to use our gcc crt files
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# [20:51] <catlee> oh, the same gcc4.5 compiler?
# [20:51] <espindola> yes
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# [21:03] <ctalbert> wlach: looks like the lg's wifi somehow got turned off. Turned it back on, phone is back on network, you should be good to go with the eideticker test
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# [21:27] <Jesse_> jcranmer: i do now, good idea
# [21:28] <jcranmer> he seems to be bloggin about everything up your alley
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# [21:29] <dzbarsky> ehsan: lol, I went to check in my patches and you already beat me to it. thanks
# [21:29] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: thanks for writing them :)
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# [21:30] <dzbarsky> ehsan: I talked to hsivonen last night, he says he'll change the translator to generate my code, and also make the destructor virtual
# [21:30] <@ehsan> cool!
# [21:30] <@ehsan> dzbarsky: I saw the bugmail thread has unread messages, haven't gotten around to read them yet :)
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# [21:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/322ef042e1d2 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 772373 - Force warnings as errors in hal/. r=jlebar
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# [21:57] <ejpbruel> mbrubeck: ping
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# [22:01] <@bsmedberg> wow, my aurora push is all-green (so far) except for android. That never happens.
# [22:02] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: wait for it
# [22:02] <Callek> dholbert: I'll be duping your bug out of that path after my meeting.... but *http* works (albeit with like a 90 second load time -- literally 90 seconds) though http*s* is broken
# [22:05] <Ms2ger> Jinxed it
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# [22:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f25cba119ef9 - David Burns - Bug 772835: changing get_window and get_windows to match Selenium; r=jgriffin
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# [22:16] <dholbert> Callek, interesting
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# [22:17] <mbrubeck> ejpbruel: pong
# [22:18] <ejpbruel> mbrubeck: you backed out one of my patches due to an internal compiler error with pgo enabled. i thought i was unable to reproduce the problem on one of our build slaves, but i might have made a mistake.
# [22:18] <ejpbruel> mbrubeck: currently building again to confirm :)
# [22:18] <mbrubeck> ejpbruel: Okay. I'm afraid I'm not much help with actually solving problems; I just back 'em out... :/
# [22:19] <ejpbruel> in any case, what do i do if i can not reproduce the issue? this was reported a while ago, is it possible that some other unrelated changes may have magically solved the problem?
# [22:19] <ejpbruel> mbrubeck: yeah, thats ok, i just wanted to ask you about the process in case i cannot reproduce
# [22:19] <mbrubeck> Always possible... if you think that may have happened, I would push to Try with a PGO mozconfig, and if that is green then re-land on inbound.
# [22:19] <mbrubeck> and trigger PGO builds on the inbound changeset using the self-serve link from TBPL.
# [22:19] <ejpbruel> mrbubeck: right. how do i push to try with pgo again?
# [22:20] <mbrubeck> ejpbruel: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
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# [22:21] <ejpbruel> ghe, that might explain why i'm not doing a pgo build on the build slave :P
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# [22:25] <ejpbruel> mrbrubeck: is that flag only needed for PGO on try?
# [22:26] <ejpbruel> mrbrubeck: or do i also need to enable it for PGO to work locally?
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# [22:29] <@bsmedberg> Is there a windows-7-like window manager for fedora? in particular I want the drag-to-half-screen behavior
# [22:29] <padenot> bsmedberg: gnome classic + compiz, I would say
# [22:30] <padenot> that is, gnome 3 with a gnome 2 look
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# [22:31] <jlebar> felipe, Do you have any idea where I'd look to fix this bug? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773356
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# [22:34] <jlebar> jesup, ping
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# [22:36] <felipe> jlebar: first thing would be to see if this is working: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/events/src/nsEventStateManager.cpp#1657
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# [22:36] <jesup> jlebar: pong
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# [22:36] <jlebar> felipe: Thanks; I'll have a look in a sec.
# [22:37] <jlebar> jesup: I'm getting a compile error on Windows in webrtc.
# [22:37] <jesup> pastebin?
# [22:37] <jlebar> jesup: It's looking for a file at ../../../z:src/...
# [22:37] <jlebar> jesup: But my src directory is at /z/src
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# [22:37] <jlebar> So I think it's mis-canonicalizing the name.
# [22:37] <jlebar> If that's a word.
# [22:37] <jesup> Aha.... relative paths bites again
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# [22:37] <jlebar> jesup: I'll pastebin in just a sec.
# [22:38] <jesup> make and pymake want different things in topsrcdir
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# [22:38] <jlebar> jesup: Is there a way I can disable webrtc, for now? I didn't see an option, but I didn't look very hard.
# [22:38] <jesup> You can try the patch in bug 772201
# [22:38] <jesup> --disable-webrtc :-)
# [22:38] <jlebar> :)
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# [22:39] <jesup> The patch may not help you, since it purposely doesn't try to change how windows builds work
# [22:39] <jesup> it fixes symlinked objdirs for linux/mac/ecc
# [22:39] * jlebar tries
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# [22:40] <jesup> ted used relative paths in gyp->Makefile conversion to avoid dealing with /c/src/... vs c:/src/... (make vs pymake)
# [22:41] <jlebar> jesup, Well, it seems that we have the worst of both worlds here. :)
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# [22:42] <jesup> jlebar: what's your build config, BTW?
# [22:42] <jesup> objdir pointing to z:?
# [22:42] <jlebar> jesup, My objdir is /c/objdir, and my srcdir is /z/src
# [22:42] <jlebar> jesup, Because my srcdir lives on the VM's host. :)
# [22:43] <jesup> pastebin .mozconfig? (so I can solve this later)
# [22:43] <jlebar> jesup, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1701691
# [22:43] <jesup> yeah, mozmake.py assumes objdir is relative to srcdir on windows I believe
# [22:44] <jesup> jlebar: thanks
# [22:44] <jlebar> jesup, I'm not sure what you mean "is relative" -- all paths are relative to one another.
# [22:44] <jlebar> On cygwin, anyway.
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# [22:44] <jlebar> Does it convert to Windows paths?
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# [22:46] <jlebar> felipe, When I scroll in the textbox, I think I get scroll events, because the whole page scrolls.
# [22:46] <jlebar> felipe, Problem is, the whole page scrolls, rather than the textbox.
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# [22:46] <jesup> Normally Makefiles have topsrcdir of /c/src/... (make) or c:/src/... (pymake). mozmake.py-generated Makefiles are topsrcdir of ../../../... (currently - bug relaxes that for linux/mac)
# [22:46] <jlebar> jesup, Yeah, that patch didn't work.
# [22:46] <jesup> jlebar: not surprised
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# [22:47] <jlebar> jesup, Would you like me to file a bug?
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# [22:49] <jesup> sure.
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# [22:50] <jesup> jlebar: pymake or make?
# [22:50] <jlebar> jesup, pymake
# [22:51] <jlebar> jesup, I do /not/ have that kind of patience. :)
# [22:51] <jesup> jlebar: :-)
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# [22:52] <jesup> My absolute paths were ok with pymake, but broke make.... I had to turn them off for windows
# [22:52] <jesup> (in the patch)
# [22:52] <jlebar> jesup, Well, off I go to disable your feature. :)
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# [22:53] <jesup> And we just landed navigator.mozGetUserMedia(), too :-(
# [22:54] <felipe> jlebar: (I'm assuming you're talking multi-process) do you know if the content process get a mousemove over the textbox before getting the scroll events?
# [22:54] <jlebar> felipe: I am talking multi-process.
# [22:54] <jlebar> felipe: I don't know, but I can check. I would expect it does.
# [22:55] <jlebar> felipe: It sounds like one of us just needs to sit down with gdb and see where it's going wrong...
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# [22:55] <felipe> jlebar: let me post a comment in the bug
# [22:55] <jlebar> felipe: okay
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# [22:57] <jorendorff> does --disable-libxul still exist/work?
# [22:57] <@gavin> no
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# [22:57] <@gavin> libxul4life
# [22:57] <jorendorff> so what do people do on linux? use gold?
# [22:57] <jlebar> jorendorff, If you don't use valgrind, gold works great.
# [22:57] <jorendorff> because it's … demoralizing
# [22:57] <froydnj> practice sword fighting
# [22:57] <jlebar> jorendorff, Or at least...last time I checked.
# [22:57] <jorendorff> how long that link takes
# [22:58] <khuey> you should switch to windows
# [22:58] <khuey> relinking libxul only takes a few seconds
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# [23:01] <@dolske> froydnj++
# [23:01] <NeilAway> if you have lots of RAM, any linker works great
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# [23:06] <wsmwk> gerv: hi. is any uplift of bugzilla workflow still planned? there had been some discussion (late last year?) of adding another status
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# [23:09] <cjones> BenWa, oompa loompa
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# [23:10] <@dolske> ...do-ba-dee-doo, I’ve got a perfect puzzle for you...
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# [23:12] <BenWa> Noo :(
# [23:13] <jimb> akeybl: Hi! The patch for Bug 769654 has been approval-mozilla-aurora? since Monday; should I be worried?
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# [23:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/741b4ebd050f - Myk Melez - bug 755554 - enable only flash in the desktop webapp runtime; r=felipe
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# [23:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/260f3b5e03f4 - Myk Melez - bug 773411 - when running tests, freeze WebappRT config object after calling confirmInstall(); r=adw
# [23:14] <jimb> jorendorff: I watch memory consumption in System Monitor, and if it's going to run out of physical memory, I kill FF and whatever else is big.
# [23:14] <jimb> jorendorff: The difference between a link that fits in RAM and one that touches swap at all is huge.
# [23:14] <jimb> (unsurprisingly)
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# [23:15] <jorendorff> jimb: that's sad
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# [23:15] <jimb> jorendorff: Well, the difference in latency between main memory and swap has been growing for decades.
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# [23:15] <jorendorff> jimb: that's not the sad part!
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# [23:16] <jlebar> felipe, Is click-and-drag supposed to send a mousescrollevent to the child?
# [23:16] <jlebar> felipe, No, right? That's just for mousewheel?
# [23:16] <cjones> oh, i didn't know we did that on inbound
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# [23:16] <jimb> jorendorff: You mean, 4GiB to link a 400MiB library?
# [23:17] <jimb> jorendorff: That's not really too shocking to me, frankly.
# [23:17] <firebot> Check-in:
# [23:17] <felipe> jlebar: (posted the comment)
# [23:17] <jesup> 16GB is the new 640KB
# [23:17] <felipe> jlebar: I'm not sure about click-and-drag
# [23:17] <jesup> firebot is thinking about it....
# [23:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f0c3cb6d911 - Chris Jones - Bug 773192: Only proxy drawing to a non-default target in BasicShadowableLayerManager, i.e. drawWindow(USE_WIDGET_LAYERS) for a content context, when the request is
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# [23:17] <jorendorff> jimb: no individual part of it is crazy, but if you add all the pieces together, you get jim blandy polling System Monitor and sometimes killing a browser process
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# [23:18] <jimb> jorendorff: I can upgrade my laptop to 8GiB for $50.
# [23:18] <jorendorff> sounds like a plan
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# [23:18] <jimb> jorendorff: The sad part is how lazy I am about pulling out my credit card and clicking a few times.
# [23:18] <firebot> same-process. r=ajuma
# [23:18] <jorendorff> jimb: well i'll do that part, how lazy are you about cracking open your laptop?
# [23:18] <felipe> jlebar: if click-and-drag just scrolls the layer in the parent then it will never be able to scroll textboxes.. so it has to do something
# [23:19] <jimb> I love cracking open my laptop.
# [23:19] <jlebar> felipe, Understood
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# [23:19] <jlebar> felipe, I think. :)
# [23:19] <firebot> jesup: Sorry, I've no idea what 'is thinking about it' might be.
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# [23:19] <jorendorff> jimb: hmm. ok - what kind of thing do you need?
# [23:19] <jimb> jorendorff: ... okay, you're really embarrassing me now, I'll buy the memory.
# [23:20] <jorendorff> oh. well, all right
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# [23:27] <philor> BenWa: I'm not sure why, but I have the feeling something might not be quite right with your inbound push
# [23:27] <bdahl> Mossop: ping
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# [23:27] <philor> I think it might be the every-M3-orange part
# [23:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/363077c10ba9 - Wes Johnston - Bug 732052 - Update video controls for touch events. r=dolske
# [23:27] <BenWa> philor: I've got a fix, was hoping for a review but if I can't get a respond soon I'll backout
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# [23:31] <bdahl> Mossop: think you'd have time to do another pdf.js review before uplift?
# [23:31] <bdahl> should be pretty quick
# [23:31] <Mossop> When is uplift?
# [23:31] <bdahl> Monday
# [23:32] <Mossop> Yeah probably
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# [23:33] <bdahl> Mossop: i added you, thx! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773422
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# [23:33] <bdahl> Mossop: as noted in the bug not much changed that runs with chrome permissions
# [23:34] <Mossop> Awesome
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# [23:34] <RyanVM> BenWa: ping!
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# [23:34] <BenWa> RyanVM: working on it
# [23:34] <RyanVM> good man :P
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# [23:36] <philor> except he doesn't really mean it
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# [23:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4410dced4a08 - Benoit Girard - Bug 772665 - Add console.profile to test_consoleAPI.html. r=gavin
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# [23:38] <akeybl> jimb: you shouldn't be worried, we're a man down on triage so I've been focused on 14 issues specifically
# [23:38] <akeybl> but I am going through the aurora approval list as we speak, so expect email soon
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# [23:43] <jimb> akeybl: Okay, sounds great.
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