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  1. # Session Start: Sun Aug 05 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #developers
  3. # [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9453cf029b72 - Siddharth Agarwal - Bug 780407 - Pymake: Export variables in MAKEFLAGS, including those passed over the command-line. r=khuey
  4. # [00:01] <@khuey> aha
  5. # [00:02] <@khuey> edmorley: I got 689328 in the VM ;-)
  6. # [00:02] <edmorley> khuey: \o/ :-D
  7. # [00:03] <RyanVM> khuey: the one-man randomorange wrecking ball
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  9. # [00:05] <edmorley> RyanVM: bit long for a domain... :-)
  10. # [00:05] <@khuey> edmorley: this VM has magical properties
  11. # [00:06] <@khuey> http://robert.ocallahan.org/2009/11/sword-5-against-orange_13.html
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  13. # [00:11] <@smaug> hmm, /me got an idea...
  14. # [00:11] <RyanVM> khuey: aha, that's the one I was talking about earlier!
  15. # [00:11] <@smaug> to slow down bg tabs when user is interacting with the browser...
  16. # [00:12] * @smaug tries
  17. # [00:13] <@khuey> smaug: isn't there a bug on doing this for scrolling?
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  19. # [00:13] <@smaug> khuey: there are various bugs open
  20. # [00:14] <@smaug> right now we often just check if the tab is bg
  21. # [00:14] <@smaug> but refreshdriver could be even slower when user is actively interacting with browser
  22. # [00:14] <@smaug> same with parser
  23. # [00:15] <@smaug> parser is actually quite nice case, since it continues parsing in the background, but just doesn't push the data to main thread so often when the tab is in bg
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  26. # [00:21] <sid0> RyanVM: fwiw, my PGO pymake build is on its second run
  27. # [00:21] <RyanVM> sid0: how far?
  28. # [00:21] <sid0> RyanVM: it's pretty deep into it, and it hasn't failed yet
  29. # [00:21] <RyanVM> sweet
  30. # [00:21] <sid0> it's in layout right nw
  31. # [00:21] <sid0> +o
  32. # [00:21] <RyanVM> i'll give it a shot once I merge your latest patch over to m-c later
  33. # [00:21] <RyanVM> that sounds promising, though
  34. # [00:22] <@khuey> reed++
  35. # [00:23] <RyanVM> reed? What's he up to these days?
  36. # [00:24] <@khuey> banning people from bugzilla
  37. # [00:25] <sid0> it's building 2nd pass xul now
  38. # [00:25] <sid0> looks promising
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  40. # [00:27] <reed> RyanVM: hi :)
  41. # [00:27] <reed> khuey: np
  42. # [00:27] <RyanVM> reed++ indeed :P
  43. # [00:27] <RyanVM> long time no speak, btw
  44. # [00:28] <reed> hehe... I'm always around. just /msg'ing me will get me :)
  45. # [00:28] <reed> I just don't talk publicly as much anymore. Stick mostly to backchannels.
  46. # [00:28] <reed> too busy
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  58. # [01:09] <NeilAway> reed: any chance of resolving bug 681915?
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  65. # [01:31] * sid0 changes topic to 'Pymake currently broken: bug 780421 || Try/Inbound issues? **See TBPL's tree status messages** || Next merge: 2012-08-27 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , http://logbot.glob.com.au/'
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  68. # [01:33] <sid0> so PGO builds take 50 minutes less with pymake
  69. # [01:33] <sid0> that's pretty cool
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  71. # [01:35] <edmorley> sid0: :-D
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  74. # [01:36] <sid0> edmorley: pymake's really going to help, huh :)
  75. # [01:37] <edmorley> yeah :-)
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  77. # [01:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d60c5d6e882 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 732336 - (Part 2) Refactor DoorHanger/Tab to centralize logic in DoorHangerPopup. r=wesj
  78. # [01:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d2231c3083b9 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 732336 - (Part 1) Move doorhanger-related event listeners to DoorHangerPopup. r=wesj
  79. # [01:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24ed03720db7 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 732336 - (Part 3) Listen for tab events in doorhanger popup. r=wesj
  80. # [01:48] <Callek> edmorley, RyanVM, philor: fyi guys, android failures should be paid attention to now :-)
  81. # [01:49] <Callek> just look at (non hidden) android jobs on inbound for the last bunch of pushes to see why :-)
  82. # [01:49] <edmorley> Callek: changes deployed?
  83. # [01:49] <Callek> edmorley: yea, we got changes deployed yesterday :-)
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  86. # [01:52] <Callek> edmorley: yea, we got changes deployed yesterday :-)
  87. # [01:52] <edmorley> Callek: :-)
  88. # [01:52] <Callek> (sorry repeated incase it didn't go through)
  89. # [01:52] <edmorley> re-running some of the hidden suites for failure stats now
  90. # [01:52] <edmorley> np
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  92. # [01:54] <Callek> edmorley: *some* of those hidden suites have known *test* issues causing high rates of failure
  93. # [01:54] <Callek> the deploy I did shouldn't really help those issues
  94. # [01:54] <Callek> (it may, but it shouldn't)
  95. # [01:54] <edmorley> Callek: yeah I realise, but still worth revisiting (eg M1)
  96. # [01:54] <Callek> sure
  97. # [01:54] <edmorley> Callek: roughly what time (and timezone)?
  98. # [01:54] <Callek> edmorley: my deploy was done probably around 2-4p PST
  99. # [01:55] <Callek> s/done/complete/
  100. # [01:55] <Callek> (to avoid ambiguity)
  101. # [01:55] <edmorley> ty
  102. # [01:55] <Callek> I held off on telling anyone for a confirmation that it *did* help things
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  123. # [02:33] <RyanVM> Callek: define "paid attention to"
  124. # [02:34] <Callek> RyanVM: oranges should be looked at, rather than just hitting the retry and starring them as retried
  125. # [02:34] <RyanVM> should I be looking at Android builds all the time, or just the unhidden ones?
  126. # [02:35] <edmorley> RyanVM: all bar native r3 and native m3 have been unhidden as of 10 mins ago
  127. # [02:35] <edmorley> their failure rates are now in the 0-15% range rather than 30-50%
  128. # [02:35] <RyanVM> so the purple M8 on inbound
  129. # [02:35] <RyanVM> with a signal 15
  130. # [02:35] <edmorley> 302 Callek :P
  131. # [02:35] <RyanVM> I should *not* a;r it
  132. # [02:35] <RyanVM> well, I will retrigger it eventually
  133. # [02:36] * edmorley whistles
  134. # [02:36] <Callek> RyanVM: /me looks
  135. # [02:36] <RyanVM> (getting baby ready for bed, so afk for a bit - I'll be back)
  136. # [02:36] <edmorley> oh my, look at this beauty https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=9453cf029b72&jobname=Android
  137. # [02:36] <Callek> RyanVM: |python /builds/sut_tools/verify.py| |process killed by signal 15| that type of issue can be retriggered as a;r
  138. # [02:36] <edmorley> ^jmaher|afk Callek
  139. # [02:37] <Callek> edmorley: BEAUTY!
  140. # [02:37] <Callek> RyanVM: I need to get a better output there, if possible ;-)
  141. # [02:41] <edmorley> Callek: quite a bit of M1 seems to be bug 687032
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  147. # [02:50] <RyanVM> ok\
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  149. # [02:51] <RyanVM> I feel like I need to be re-trained on which android failures are OK and which aren't
  150. # [02:51] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14136138&tree=Mozilla-Inbound is a crash with no symbols
  151. # [02:51] <RyanVM> also, it would be cool if we could attempt to re-send results for android talos runs that go purple because they couldn't connect to the graph server
  152. # [02:51] <RyanVM> isntead of retriggering the job itself
  153. # [02:54] <RyanVM> Callek: signal 9 timeouts are still ok for a;r?
  154. # [02:55] <RyanVM> such as https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14132945&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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  157. # [02:57] <RyanVM> ok, i'm sitting on a bunch of unstarred android failures with no real idea which shoudl be a;r and which shouldn't
  158. # [02:58] <Callek> RyanVM: ok yea signal9 retry
  159. # [02:58] <Callek> not sure what that is
  160. # [02:58] <Callek> (as far as issue)
  161. # [02:58] <Callek> basically if you can't figure it out, make sure we know about the pattern you see and retry it is fine
  162. # [02:58] <Callek> we just want to make sure the majority of stuff is known at this point
  163. # [02:58] <Callek> and even better if we get an idea of what is our "next" biggest issue
  164. # [02:59] <RyanVM> this is certainly a big one: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14136502&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
  165. # [02:59] <RyanVM> (and I'm serious about being able to try to re-send talos results - that would definitely save some a;rs)
  166. # [03:02] <sid0> capella: bug 780421 has a patch now. you might want to try it out
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  168. # [03:04] <RyanVM> Callek: also, what should I do about crashes with useless stacks, i.e. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14136138&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
  169. # [03:05] <Callek> RyanVM: hrm, we're unwinding a linux-based stack?
  170. # [03:05] <Callek> thats weird?
  171. # [03:05] <RyanVM> no, it happens
  172. # [03:05] <Callek> retrigger and tell the ateam about it?
  173. # [03:05] <RyanVM> I'm a hearing a lot of "keep retriggering those" from you :P
  174. # [03:06] <Callek> lolol
  175. # [03:06] <Callek> retrigger but with a reason, not blind retrigger!
  176. # [03:06] <Callek> ;-)
  177. # [03:07] * Callek went with his statement based on the passing set, not the set that edmorely unhid
  178. # [03:07] <Callek> which was a <6% failure rate set
  179. # [03:07] <RyanVM> fair enough
  180. # [03:07] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14133100&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
  181. # [03:07] <RyanVM> there's a lot more info from SUTAgent than there used to be
  182. # [03:07] <capella> sees it
  183. # [03:10] <capella> sid0: building...
  184. # [03:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d8c6025c0881 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 655877 - Part 20: Make nsTextFrame QueryFrame-able. r=roc
  185. # [03:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/270c17de5f45 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 655877 - Part 18: Ensure even line-ending white space SVG text frames are created. r=bz
  186. # [03:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05848864b5f9 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 655877 - Part 29: Don't underline links within SVG text by default. r=dbaron
  187. # [03:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6899651a0f09 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 655877 - Part 21: Avoid assertions when nsStyleContext::GetVisitedDependentColor is called for an SVG paint property. r=dbaron
  188. # [03:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/47f0da584ea3 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 655877 - Part 17: Ensure non-SVG child elements of SVG text elements do not get frames. r=bz
  189. # [03:13] <Callek> RyanVM: yea, thats part of the deploy -- making sure we can identify if/when shit is acting weird in command-form
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  192. # [03:15] <Callek> jmaher|afk: that last RyanVM tbpl link -- is |08-04 12:32:42.680 E/GeckoLinker( 1659): /data/app/org.mozilla.fennec-1.apk!/libnspr4.so: Warning: relocation to NULL @0x00020f48| normal, note the apk/app name
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  194. # [03:18] <RyanVM> Callek: I thought I heard once upon a time that the ateam was tracking Android failures in their own way?
  195. # [03:18] <Callek> RyanVM: sorta
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  200. # [03:35] * sid0 changes topic to 'Pymake builds currently broken: bug 780421 (patch in bug) || Try/Inbound issues? **See TBPL's tree status messages** || Next merge: 2012-08-27 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , http://logbot.glob.com.au/'
  201. # [03:35] <sid0> capella: build completed successfully here
  202. # [03:36] <capella> yah - 30 mins later still running .... but i did a clobber ... im sure its ok now
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  216. # [03:51] <Unfocused> pymake on tbpl can't come soon enough (sid0++)
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  220. # [03:59] <RyanVM> sid0: attempting a build myself right now
  221. # [03:59] <RyanVM> i'll let you know if I get past my usual point of failure (and I'd certainly welcome that too!)
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  225. # [04:08] <RyanVM> halle-frickin-lujah
  226. # [04:09] <RyanVM> ICS is finally out for my phone
  227. # [04:09] <RyanVM> (HTC Rezound)
  228. # [04:16] <hub> RyanVM: could be worse.
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  230. # [04:17] <RyanVM> hub: having owned an HTC phone previously, it doesn't surprise me it took this long
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  232. # [04:17] <RyanVM> unfortunately, I doubt it'll ever get a JB update unless I go 3rd party
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  246. # [05:04] <edwin|away> Rebasing after nullptr change = fun times
  247. # [05:05] <@khuey> yeah I'm not looking forward to that
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  255. # [05:14] <@khuey> there's a script to do that for you
  256. # [05:14] <@khuey> I don't know what it does beyond s/nsnull/nullptr/g
  257. # [05:17] <RyanVM> awesome, so I triggered a bunch of OSX X64 M5 runs
  258. # [05:17] <RyanVM> and got the same timeouts that were causing backouts earlier today
  259. # [05:17] <RyanVM> on just one run, though
  260. # [05:18] <@khuey> did we turn around and reland everything that got backed out?
  261. # [05:18] <@khuey> that might explain it
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  264. # [05:20] <RyanVM> yes, but not without try runs and a lot of retriggers
  265. # [05:20] <RyanVM> so far, one failure is way lower frequency than earlier today
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  267. # [05:23] <RyanVM> khuey: theory was a bad merge
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  272. # [05:44] <dolske> 30 seconds of confusion: leaving out the colon in my "try: blah" commit message and wondering why it failed.
  273. # [05:47] <RyanVM> khuey: I just managed to get the same timeouts on a retrigger with all the patches backed out
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  313. # [07:13] <smontagu> what is all this "Makefile is unchanged" console spam? is that something new? and shouldn't it be suppressed with make -s?
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  317. # [07:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0e213ba77dca - Justin Lebar - Bug 768832 - Set OOM adjust for background windows. r=bz,cjones
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  347. # [08:50] <glandium> smontagu: that's something that goes away if you clobber. Or touch your Makefiles.
  348. # [08:51] <glandium> smontagu: under normal circumstances this doesn't happen
  349. # [08:51] <smontagu> glandium: goes away for ever, or for the next build?
  350. # [08:51] <glandium> for ever, until you make a change to a Makefile.in that has no effect on the corresponding Makefile
  351. # [08:52] <smontagu> so someone just did that, which is why circumstances are not currently normal?
  352. # [08:52] <glandium> smontagu: it's the landing of bug 774032 that did such changes
  353. # [08:54] <glandium> i guess we could add a touch to the Makefile rules
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  404. # [11:02] <darktrojan> my windows aurora install never got the maintenance service until I reinstalled it
  405. # [11:02] <darktrojan> :/
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  408. # [11:10] <@roc> file a bug!
  409. # [11:10] <darktrojan> I have no useful information any more
  410. # [11:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f89ae41eed63 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 772679. RestrictToLayerPixels needs to accurately convert between appunits scroll offsets and ThebesLayer pixel coordinates. r=tnikkel
  411. # [11:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14d17919e235 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 772679. Mark test as passing on Mac.
  412. # [11:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b15fb3603bfe - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 772679. Testcase.
  413. # [11:11] <Ms2ger> The same is true for most bugs I see coming by ;)
  414. # [11:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6ea008b301da - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 772679. Handle frame with NS_HAS_CONTAINER_LAYER having no display items. r=tnikkel
  415. # [11:13] <AryehGregor> Does anyone have aurora/beta handy? I want to know what the test-case here says: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732153#c5
  416. # [11:13] <AryehGregor> I'm pretty sure it will be "matrix(1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0)" in aurora, but not sure about beta.
  417. # [11:14] <darktrojan> I've got release
  418. # [11:14] <darktrojan> does that count
  419. # [11:14] <AryehGregor> I know that outputs "none".
  420. # [11:14] <AryehGregor> I have release handy too. :)
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  422. # [11:17] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, um, why does your patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714279 add lots of test failures in addition to removing?
  423. # [11:18] <Ms2ger> I don't think it adds any, the script just sorts them differently than before
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  425. # [11:19] <AryehGregor> Why does it sort them at all, instead of leaving them in the order of test execution?
  426. # [11:21] <Ms2ger> Patches welcome :)
  427. # [11:21] <Ms2ger> By default, python dicts just get serialized in a random order
  428. # [11:22] <Ms2ger> I thought sorting would be better
  429. # [11:23] <AryehGregor> Or perhaps use an OrderedDict?
  430. # [11:23] <AryehGregor> Oh, maybe the JSON library doesn't support that?
  431. # [11:23] <AryehGregor> Hmm.
  432. # [11:24] <AryehGregor> What file should be input to this script?
  433. # [11:24] <AryehGregor> It can skip expected fails, no?
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  436. # [11:26] <Ms2ger> You set the flag in testharnessreport.js, pipe the mochitest output to a file, and run the script on that file
  437. # [11:26] <Ms2ger> Morning, edmorley
  438. # [11:27] <edmorley> Good morning, Ms2ger :-)
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  440. # [11:27] <edmorley> Ms2ger: how are you?
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  442. # [11:27] <Ms2ger> Good, good
  443. # [11:29] <AryehGregor> So it looks like you could do this: obj = json.loads(objstr, object_hook=collections.OrderedDict)
  444. # [11:29] <AryehGregor> Oh, wait, no.
  445. # [11:29] <AryehGregor> So it looks like you could do this: obj = json.loads(objstr, object_pairs_hook=collections.OrderedDict)
  446. # [11:29] <AryehGregor> Requires 2.7 or greater.
  447. # [11:29] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, do you want to try that, or should I?
  448. # [11:29] <Ms2ger> Hm
  449. # [11:30] <Ms2ger> Is the output order from JS guaranteed?
  450. # [11:30] <Ms2ger> Probably not, but it may well work right, I guess
  451. # [11:30] <AryehGregor> Well, not if people are running tests in parallel, I guess.
  452. # [11:30] <AryehGregor> I don't *think* any of my files do that.
  453. # [11:31] <AryehGregor> At any rate, the list of errors used to just match the JS order, and it worked for me in practice.
  454. # [11:31] <Ms2ger> If that works, fine with me
  455. # [11:32] <AryehGregor> Do you want to do it, or should I?
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  457. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> I don't particularly want to, no :)
  458. # [11:33] <AryehGregor> Okay, maybe I will sometime.
  459. # [11:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cda0a576a7a8 - Aryeh Gregor - Bug 732153 part 1 - Computed transform should be 'none' if there's no transform, even if backface-visibility or transform-style is set; r=dbaron
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  463. # [11:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/38bf3dfd81a0 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
  464. # [11:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fe50f2057825 - Mihai Sucan - Bug 676722 - The output of console.log(object) isn't expandable/inspectable in the Web Console; r=rcampbell
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  474. # [11:59] <AryehGregor> s/mediocre/cheap/
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  483. # [12:11] * Ms2ger grumbles at glandium
  484. # [12:11] <glandium> Ms2ger: what
  485. # [12:11] <glandium> ?
  486. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> Touching autogenerated makefiles
  487. # [12:12] <glandium> autogenerated makefiles?
  488. # [12:13] <Ms2ger> The ones that have # THIS FILE IS AUTOGENERATED BY importTestsuite.py - DO NOT EDIT at the top
  489. # [12:15] <glandium> Ms2ger: erf
  490. # [12:16] <glandium> we shouldn't have autogenerated files in the tree
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  494. # [12:17] <glandium> mwarf subprocess.check_call(["rm", "--recursive", "--force", hgdest])
  495. # [12:17] <Ms2ger> I definitely am not going to write them by hand
  496. # [12:18] <glandium> Ms2ger: if you generate files, they should be generated at build time
  497. # [12:18] <glandium> that being said... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1739192
  498. # [12:18] <Ms2ger> Pulling test files from a remote repo at build time?
  499. # [12:20] <glandium> Ms2ger: 780457
  500. # [12:23] <@smaug> autogenerated code in the tree sounds like a bug
  501. # [12:23] <@smaug> (and yes, would be great to autogenerate some of html parser, but IIRC that relies on everyone having java )
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  503. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> Usage: ./config.status [--recheck] [--version] [--help]
  504. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> make: *** [config/autoconf.mk] Error 1
  505. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> make: INTERNAL: Exiting with 21 jobserver tokens available; should be 20!
  506. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> Fascinating
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  511. # [12:26] <glandium> Ms2ger: doing what?
  512. # [12:27] <@smaug> ttaubert: ping
  513. # [12:29] <Ms2ger> Running make in my objdir
  514. # [12:29] <Ms2ger> After make -f client.mk, I now get 780446..
  515. # [12:32] <glandium> Ms2ger: ah, if your configure/config.status is not up-to-date, yeah, that's expected to happen (the config.status breakage)
  516. # [12:32] <Ms2ger> I used to get a nicer error message :)
  517. # [12:33] <glandium> building with client.mk doesn't get you this error message
  518. # [12:36] <glandium> Ms2ger: if you r+ 780457 i can push it now
  519. # [12:37] <glandium> Ms2ger: and if you write a patch for 780446, I can r+ and land it now
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  521. # [12:41] <glandium> ah, emk got to that one
  522. # [12:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f56aa65b70ae - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 780430 - Declare encoding in config.status. r=glandium
  523. # [12:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/043cc75b3a4c - Siddharth Agarwal - Bug 780421 - Use $(PYTHON) to run config.status. r=glandium
  524. # [12:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24389ed3dd72 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 780446 - touch Makefile after invoking config.status. r=glandium
  525. # [12:55] <glandium> Ms2ger: too late
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  547. # [13:26] <sid0> OS X opt is delightfully orange
  548. # [13:27] <edmorley> where?
  549. # [13:27] <edmorley> oh, you mean 10.5?
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  552. # [13:28] <sid0> oh, I had noignore on
  553. # [13:28] <sid0> nvm
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  556. # [13:28] <edmorley> sid0: it persists after switching trees, just to be helpful :-/
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  558. # [13:28] <sid0> yeah
  559. # [13:28] <sid0> that's the bit I missed
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  565. # [13:44] <@smaug> hsivonen: ping
  566. # [13:44] <hsivonen> smaug: pong
  567. # [13:46] <@smaug> hsivonen: is there some easy way to know if parser has done its job, I mean the case when stream has been parsed
  568. # [13:46] <@smaug> (there can be still some document.write, I assume)
  569. # [13:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ab9cc855bb39 - Joel Maher - Bug 687032 - Intermittent test_bug590812.html | noxul domain same as ref and test_bug590812.html | xul supporting domain same as ref. r=edmorley
  570. # [13:47] <@smaug> perhaps eTreeOpStreamEnded ?
  571. # [13:48] <hsivonen> smaug: "done" as in speculation may still fail or "done" as in there's no chance a speculation could still fail?
  572. # [13:49] <@smaug> ah, good question :)
  573. # [13:49] <@smaug> I think the latter
  574. # [13:50] <hsivonen> smaug: why not the former, though? speculation failure is an in-RAM thing and won't need to wait for network, etc.
  575. # [13:50] <@smaug> ah
  576. # [13:50] <@smaug> former then
  577. # [13:50] <hsivonen> ok. that's easier
  578. # [13:50] <@smaug> I'm just trying to test whether my idea could be usefel
  579. # [13:50] <@smaug> Idea about "almost-loaded" state
  580. # [13:51] <@smaug> also, feel free to say if it sounds silly
  581. # [13:54] <hsivonen> smaug: the parser has seen the EOF the first time when it reaches http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/html/nsHtml5StreamParser.cpp#1319 for the first time
  582. # [13:54] <hsivonen> so you could post a runnable to the main thread at that point bypassing the op queue
  583. # [13:54] <hsivonen> just to change the tab state
  584. # [13:55] <hsivonen> note that that line will run again if a speculation fails
  585. # [13:56] <@smaug> how would I prevent it running again?
  586. # [13:56] <hsivonen> Alternatively, the parser is no longer waiting on the network in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/html/nsHtml5StreamParser.cpp#1037
  587. # [13:56] <hsivonen> smaug: you'd need a new flag keeping track of whether you've already posted the runnable once
  588. # [13:56] <@smaug> ok
  589. # [13:57] <hsivonen> smaug: have you checked if the UI team is willing to give you a new tab throbber state?
  590. # [13:58] <hsivonen> how will image, script and style loads interact with the new tab throbber state?
  591. # [13:58] <@smaug> hsivonen: no, I haven't
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  593. # [13:59] <@smaug> I'm hoping to test first whether this approach might actually work
  594. # [14:00] <@smaug> hsivonen: those loads wouldn't really affect the new state
  595. # [14:00] <@smaug> which could be odd in certain cases
  596. # [14:01] <@smaug> hsivonen: we do start image loads in the parser ?
  597. # [14:01] <@smaug> ah yes, MaybePreLoadImage
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  599. # [14:04] * @smaug needs to learn how speculative loads work
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  621. # [14:41] <edmorley> jmaher|afk: native android reftest-3 now unhidden on inbound (and the rest once things merge) :-)
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  625. # [14:49] <edmorley> I was playing that one last week :-)
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  629. # [14:50] <zzzzz_> \o/
  630. # [14:50] <edmorley> s/tests/suites/
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  730. # [17:37] <@khuey> edmorley: around?
  731. # [17:37] <edmorley> khuey: yup :-)
  732. # [17:38] <@khuey> edmorley: objections to merging m-i to m-c?
  733. # [17:39] * @khuey gets his pushing finger ready
  734. # [17:39] <edmorley> khuey: nope, as long as you think https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=24389ed3dd72 won't break pgo :-)
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  736. # [17:39] * @khuey shrugs
  737. # [17:39] <edmorley> khuey: I'm happy to merge, unless you have it queued?
  738. # [17:40] <@khuey> I'll trade broken PGO for being able to build ;-)
  739. # [17:40] <@khuey> edmorley: I have it ready to go
  740. # [17:40] <edmorley> cool
  741. # [17:40] <AryehGregor> error: class template 'already_AddRefed' was previously declared as a struct template [-Werror,-Wmismatched-tags]
  742. # [17:40] <edmorley> go for it
  743. # [17:40] <AryehGregor> Seriously?
  744. # [17:40] <AryehGregor> Why is that an error?
  745. # [17:40] <@khuey> because you have -Werror
  746. # [17:41] <AryehGregor> Um . . . okay, that's fair.
  747. # [17:41] <@khuey> :-D
  748. # [17:41] <AryehGregor> Why is that a warning?
  749. # [17:41] <AryehGregor> (I know, I know, because I have -Wmismatched-tags?)
  750. # [17:41] * @khuey shrugs
  751. # [17:41] <@khuey> MSVC warns on it
  752. # [17:41] <@khuey> idk what the rationale is other than code hygiene
  753. # [17:42] <AryehGregor> http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=11632
  754. # [17:42] <glandium> khuey: want to review patches? /o\
  755. # [17:42] <AryehGregor> "The reason for the warning is that some versions of MSVC++ (love it or hate it, it's the compiler for a major platform that people want to keep their codebases building under) will error on mismatched struct and class. The warning allows developers using clang to catch the problem before breaking MSVC builds."
  756. # [17:43] <AryehGregor> Therefore, *clang* breaks the build if you test only in gcc, in order to prevent VC++ from breaking the build if you test only in clang.
  757. # [17:43] * AryehGregor fixes his patch
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  761. # [17:50] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: np
  762. # [17:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a2d271ce54ff - Andrew McCreight - Bug 777806 - rename RootResultArrayBuffer to RootJSResultObjects. r=bz
  763. # [17:51] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: I know VC6 used to mangle class and struct differently, for instance
  764. # [17:52] <@khuey> glandium: which ones?
  765. # [17:52] <NeilAway> khuey: do NS_ASSERTIONs not turn tests orange?
  766. # [17:52] <@khuey> NeilAway: they do in some test suites
  767. # [17:52] <AryehGregor> NeilAway, reftests and crashtests, yes. Mochitests, not yet.
  768. # [17:52] <@khuey> but not all
  769. # [17:52] <glandium> khuey: 780414 and 780357
  770. # [17:53] <NeilAway> khuey, AryehGregor: thanks
  771. # [17:53] <@khuey> glandium: and no, I don't want to, but I will consider it ;-)
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  773. # [17:53] <glandium> khuey: fair enough. nobody really *wants* to review stuff :)
  774. # [17:54] <glandium> khuey: if you want to do 742795 as well... ;)
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  776. # [17:55] <NeilAway> khuey: do we even know whether we get NS_ASSERTIONs during mochitests?
  777. # [17:55] <@khuey> NeilAway: no
  778. # [17:56] <edmorley> khuey: want me to mark the bugs?
  779. # [17:56] <@khuey> edmorley: if you want to
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  781. # [17:57] <edmorley> khuey: seeing as you said you will look into some of those oranges this week; sure :-)
  782. # [17:57] <NeilAway> khuey: so, turning on NS_DEBUG_BREAK=stack_and_abort in mochitests would probably turn the tree orange?
  783. # [17:57] <@khuey> NeilAway: s/would probably/will certainly/
  784. # [17:58] <@khuey> it'll do the same for crashtest/reftest, since we have annotations for known assertions
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  786. # [17:58] <NeilAway> khuey: oh, how does known assertions work in those tests then?
  787. # [17:59] <@khuey> NeilAway: we ask nsIDebug[2?] how many assertions there have been in the program lifetime
  788. # [17:59] <@khuey> NeilAway: subtract it from the last measurement
  789. # [17:59] * sawrubh|offline is now known as sawrubh
  790. # [17:59] <@khuey> NeilAway: and compare that number to what's in the .list file
  791. # [17:59] <@khuey> and if they don't match, that's a failure
  792. # [18:00] <NeilAway> khuey: seems as if that would be easy enough to add to mochitests, for someone with enough spare time
  793. # [18:00] <@khuey> NeilAway: dbaron has patches, iirc
  794. # [18:00] <@khuey> glandium: did you want me to steal Callek's review on 780357 too?
  795. # [18:00] <glandium> khuey: no, just the m-c one
  796. # [18:00] <@khuey> ok
  797. # [18:00] <@khuey> cool
  798. # [18:00] <AryehGregor> khuey, there's a bug for it.
  799. # [18:00] <AryehGregor> It just needs someone with some spare time. :)
  800. # [18:01] * AryehGregor might consider it . . .
  801. # [18:01] <@khuey> yeah, I know
  802. # [18:01] <@khuey> I think dbaron got us 90% of the way there
  803. # [18:01] <AryehGregor> Right.
  804. # [18:01] <@khuey> he may have more up-to-date patches than are in the bug
  805. # [18:01] <@khuey> worth asking if you want to poke at it
  806. # [18:01] <glandium> khuey: will you look at 742795 or should i just push the two others now?
  807. # [18:02] <@khuey> glandium: I'd rather not do 742795
  808. # [18:02] <@khuey> that one is a bit more involved
  809. # [18:03] <glandium> khuey: actually, it's not ; but fair enough
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  812. # [18:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d83147d64e06 - Mike Hommey - Bug 780414 - Fix ConfigStatus.py for the case where top_srcdir is a path relative to topobjdir. r=khuey
  813. # [18:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/91de8ff323d4 - Mike Hommey - Bug 780357 - Allow m-c's ConfigStatus.py to be used from c-c. r=khuey
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  815. # [18:05] <Mano> NeilAway: ping?
  816. # [18:06] <glandium> khuey: thanks for the reviews
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  818. # [18:07] <@khuey> glandium: np
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  820. # [18:08] <NeilAway> Mano: pong
  821. # [18:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/949770676b0f - Mike Hommey - Fixup for bug 780357: Resync js/src/build/autoconf
  822. # [18:09] <Mano> NeilAway: quick suite/rdf question
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  824. # [18:10] <NeilAway> Mano: make your mind up ;-)
  825. # [18:10] <Mano> NeilAway: how would this code https://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/common/sidebar/nsSidebar.js#73 behave if panels.rdf didn't exist
  826. # [18:11] <Mano> in the default profile
  827. # [18:11] <Mano> i'm trying to review https://bug768814.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=637842
  828. # [18:12] <Mano> it removes panels.rdf (and other files) from the default profile
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  830. # [18:12] <Mano> (actually, i'm not sure if the file is even there, but it removes the code that attempts to copy it)
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  832. # [18:13] * sid0 changes topic to 'Pymake builds broken? Update m-c and see bug 780414 || Try/Inbound issues? **See TBPL's tree status messages** || Next merge: 2012-08-27 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , http://logbot.glob.com.au/'
  833. # [18:13] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
  834. # [18:14] <glandium> sid0: that bug is not specific to pymake, but is specific to people with unusual setups
  835. # [18:14] <Mano> (fwiw, i think suite should not use directory service for files like this one anymore. Even toolkit-places doesn't do so)
  836. # [18:16] <NeilAway> Mano: it breaks us, yes
  837. # [18:16] <Mano> NeilAway: what would a fix look like?
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  839. # [18:17] <Mano> i haven't touched rdf for years, i'm not sure how it's usually "automated" for other files.
  840. # [18:17] <Mano> users can remove localstore for example
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  842. # [18:17] <Mano> but maybe it's just that this code always copies them over.
  843. # [18:17] <gossfunkel> newbie question here (no answer in #newbies): having a look at http://bugzil.la/708073 , I can't find an 'identity.js' file in services/sync. Have I misunderstood?
  844. # [18:17] <Mano> not sure.
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  848. # [18:21] <gossfunkel> nobody?
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  850. # [18:22] <NeilAway> Mano: oh, if we lose automatica localstore.rdf too then we may need to work around that too
  851. # [18:22] <NeilAway> s/a / /
  852. # [18:22] <Mano> NeilAway: hrm, localstore is created if it's not found
  853. # [18:23] <Mano> unless you forked that code.
  854. # [18:23] <NeilAway> Mano: but we have some default entries in it
  855. # [18:23] <Mano> ah
  856. # [18:23] <Mano> i see
  857. # [18:23] <Mano> btw
  858. # [18:23] <Mano> do you think this could have negative effect on performance?
  859. # [18:23] <NeilAway> Mano: "this" == ?
  860. # [18:24] <Mano> this change
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  862. # [18:24] <Mano> I filed this bug for bookmarks.html and i'm not sure how it turned out like this.
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  864. # [18:24] <Mano> ff's files are "empty", so it makes sense, in a way.
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  866. # [18:24] <NeilAway> Mano: https://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/suite/common/sidebar/nsSidebar.js#415
  867. # [18:25] <Mano> i see
  868. # [18:25] <NeilAway> Mano: so, we could probably copy it manually in that case
  869. # [18:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6c60e99d9739 - Oleg Romashin - Bug 779679 FT2_ flags overriden by MOZ_TREE_FREETYPE env setup and fontconfig get's dropped. r=glandium
  870. # [18:26] <marshall_law> hrm, for some reason my try pushes show in the queue but never get built. it looks like a number of commits are getting pushed up (I guess since I'm merging with inbound?) is there a commit limit or something for try?
  871. # [18:26] <Mano> as i said, regardless of this this bug i think the panels code should be removed from the directory service.
  872. # [18:27] <NeilAway> Mano: baby steps ;-)
  873. # [18:27] <Mano> i think for now i'll just ask him to leave it as is.
  874. # [18:27] <Mano> (the panels part)
  875. # [18:27] <NeilAway> Mano: OK thanks
  876. # [18:27] <Mano> this has no affect on Fx anyway.
  877. # [18:28] <edmorley> marshall_law: link?
  878. # [18:28] <marshall_law> edmorley: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=9e944e26c03d
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  880. # [18:30] <marshall_law> edmorley: I realize there is a long wait time (so it may not have happened yet), but a similar try push I made a week or so ago never had a build scheduled..
  881. # [18:30] <edmorley> marshall_law: are you sure your try chooser syntax is valid?
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  883. # [18:30] <edmorley> marshall_law: no builds have been scheduled
  884. # [18:30] <marshall_law> edmorley: hrm. I used the website :)
  885. # [18:30] <edmorley> marshall_law: you would see them as light grey if they were still pending
  886. # [18:30] <edmorley> marshall_law: oh
  887. # [18:30] <marshall_law> fair enough
  888. # [18:30] <marshall_law> edmorley: "if you use the website, you're gonna have problems" ?
  889. # [18:31] <marshall_law> :)
  890. # [18:31] <edmorley> marshall_law: perhaps push with -p all for now just so you can get moving
  891. # [18:31] <edmorley> marshall_law: I'll file a bug to work out if trychooser is giving the wrong syntax or if the scheduler went funny
  892. # [18:31] <marshall_law> hrm ok
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  894. # [18:32] <edmorley> marshall_law: the self-serve api doesn't recognise your push https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/try/rev/9e944e26c03d
  895. # [18:33] <marshall_law> huh
  896. # [18:33] <edmorley> marshall_law: but I think that might be expected if the scheduler was never asked to schedule anything
  897. # [18:33] <edmorley> I lose track
  898. # [18:34] <marshall_law> edmorley: do I have to commit to a "try" branch?
  899. # [18:34] <marshall_law> FWIW I've been using default, with push -f try
  900. # [18:34] <edmorley> marshall_law: that's fine :-)
  901. # [18:34] <marshall_law> k
  902. # [18:35] <marshall_law> does try accept branches? :)
  903. # [18:35] <marshall_law> that would be useful
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  906. # [18:36] <edmorley> marshall_law: ah, just seen bug 767501
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  909. # [18:43] <Mano> NeilAway: hrm, do you still use search.rdf?
  910. # [18:43] <NeilAway> Mano: no
  911. # [18:43] <Mano> NeilAway: the code is still in place afaict.
  912. # [18:44] <Mano> internetsearchservice
  913. # [18:44] <NeilAway> Mano: yeah, we dropped that in 2.1 (Gecko 4)
  914. # [18:44] <Mano> ah, so it's just the code.
  915. # [18:44] <Mano> ok
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  917. # [18:52] <marshall_law> edmorley: k, so remove -p option?
  918. # [18:53] <edmorley> marshall_law: I'd use |-p all| to be safe
  919. # [18:53] <marshall_law> k
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  933. # [19:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f0298834ad9 - David Zbarsky - Bug 780340 - Allow compositor-driven animations of visibility r=mattwoodrow
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  947. # [19:34] <Ms2ger> marshall_law, I think try has or had problems with pushing branches
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  949. # [19:36] <RyanVM> sid0: my pymake pgo build seemed to go good last night (though I did stop it while linking xul.lib)
  950. # [19:36] <RyanVM> sid0: nice job :)
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  952. # [19:44] <sid0> RyanVM: heh, np
  953. # [19:44] <sid0> RyanVM: yeah, linking xul takes an hour on the build machine
  954. # [19:44] <sid0> RyanVM: but still, pymake leads to a 50 minute speedup
  955. # [19:44] <sid0> that's pretty huge
  956. # [19:45] <RyanVM> yes, I know how long it takes to link libxul :P
  957. # [19:45] <RyanVM> FWIW, pymake doesn't save me 50 minutes on my system
  958. # [19:45] <RyanVM> closer to 20 or so with a clean objdir
  959. # [19:45] <sid0> RyanVM: sure, depends on the system
  960. # [19:46] <sid0> but gmake currently takes 3 hours on the build step with win pgo
  961. # [19:46] <sid0> the compile step, even
  962. # [19:46] <sid0> and pymake took 2:10 when I timed it yesterday
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  970. # [19:54] <nemo> Anyone else run into this when running Nightlies from 2012-08-02+ in linux?
  971. # [19:54] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780232
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  973. # [19:56] <nemo> Hm. My guess is a dupe of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779852
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  1021. # [21:16] <@khuey> mah build is broken
  1022. # [21:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/22e600473209 - Robert Longson - Bug 619964 - Implement FillPaint and StrokePaint filter sources. r=jwatt
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  1024. # [21:22] <db48x> khuey: it probably just wanted some attention
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  1026. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> Bah, strcmp
  1027. # [21:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9fc6f70c11aa - Siddharth Agarwal - Bug 780497 - Pymake build broken because it thinks touch {uuid}/Makefile contains shell metacharacters. r=khuey
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  1069. # [22:20] * sid0 changes topic to 'Pymake builds broken? See bug 780497 and bug 780414 || Try/Inbound issues? **See TBPL's tree status messages** || Next merge: 2012-08-27 || New/want to help? See irc://irc.mozilla.org/#introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , http://logbot.glob.com.au/'
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  1094. # [22:49] <NeilAway> eek! when did Ctrl+A start selecting text in XUL dialogs?
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  1096. # [22:53] <WG9s> Neilnot sure but Ctrl+A is normally a select all.
  1097. # [22:53] <WG9s> NeilAway: not sure but Ctrl+A is normally a select all.
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  1100. # [23:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d7a0c5b760fd - Siddharth Agarwal - The correct fix for bug 780497. Missed a backslash.
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  1108. # [23:09] <decoder> glandium: ping?
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  1110. # [23:13] <glandium> decoder: pong
  1111. # [23:14] <decoder> glandium: i was wondering if your recent changes on js/src require something special now to build a shell
  1112. # [23:14] <decoder> im getting errors on m-c
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  1115. # [23:15] <glandium> decoder: the fix is on m-i
  1116. # [23:15] <decoder> glandium: ah ok thanks
  1117. # [23:15] <NeilAway> WG9s: in HTML, sure, but it didn't use to "work" in XUL
  1118. # [23:18] <sid0> NeilAway: it's worked for as long as I can remember
  1119. # [23:20] <NeilAway> worked?
  1120. # [23:20] <NeilAway> sid0: it's not supposed to work, that's the point
  1121. # [23:21] <NeilAway> it correctly did nothing in Gecko 4, but I guess that's a bit of a large regression range :s
  1122. # [23:23] <sid0> hmm
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  1129. # [23:27] <NeilAway> sid0: iirc there's even a workaround in the common dialog code
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