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# Session Start: Sat Aug 18 00:00:02 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:02] <@smaug> um, it is going to be too warm in MV
# [00:02] <khuey> what qualifies as 'too warm'?
# [00:03] <khuey> a lack of snow?
# [00:03] <philikon> lol
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# [00:05] <WG9s> Mossop: yes problem is it is a probelm if it happens, but comapnies have made the problem be under the purvue of HR which is probley NOT the correct oversight authority.
# [00:05] <@smaug> khuey: anything above 20+
# [00:05] <Mossop> smaug: It'll be warmer than that from about 11am to 5/6pm
# [00:05] <jcranmer> smaug: don't worry, it was generally in the 70s-80s last summer
# [00:05] <@smaug> (there is a research that for Finns 14C is the best temperature from health perspective)
# [00:06] <WG9s> example would be between a vendor and a contactor.
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# [00:07] <WG9s> HR is not the correct oversight authority for this type of thing.
# [00:07] <jcranmer> I don't think anyone can kick smaug in here, since they're not ops
# [00:07] <@smaug> :p
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# [00:09] <WG9s> HMm I missed that and i used that joke yesterday! how odd.
# [00:09] <khuey> I can certainly kick smaug
# [00:09] <WG9s> or kick ban i bet
# [00:09] * ChanServ sets mode: +o khuey
# [00:09] * @khuey threatens some kicking
# [00:10] <WG9s> wel at leat now that you got +o
# [00:10] <@khuey> I just wasn't identified with nickerserv
# [00:10] <WG9s> you can kick any of us!
# [00:10] <@khuey> *nickserv
# [00:10] <@khuey> I can't kick anyone with +q
# [00:10] <reuben> do we have any standard mechanisms to properly free a singleton instance before leak detection kicks in?
# [00:10] <@khuey> also kicking certain people would be ill-advised
# [00:10] <@khuey> gavin might come after me, for instance
# [00:11] <jcranmer> reuben: listen for xpcom-shutdown?
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# [00:11] <@khuey> smaug: should have had the work week in SF instead
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# [00:11] <WG9s> that is an advantage for working remotely
# [00:11] <WG9s> if you kick ban them then what can they do exactly?
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# [00:12] <jcranmer> in 24 hours, I'll be just east of the middle of nowhere, Illinois
# [00:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d3bc83c14073 - Sid Stamm - Bug 783497 - Fix CSPSource expression intersection to resolve "self" data. (r=jst)
# [00:12] <@smaug> khuey: SF is quite nice
# [00:12] * @gavin WATCHES ATTENTIVELY
# [00:12] <WG9s> khuey: but i am remote and don;t work for mozilla, so can;t really do this of course ;-)
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# [00:12] <@khuey> WG9s: well gavin powers on the server ...
# [00:13] <reuben> jcranmer, thanks, I'll investigate.
# [00:13] <@khuey> er
# [00:13] <@khuey> has powers on the server
# [00:13] <@khuey> I keep dropping words today
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# [00:13] <jcranmer> so the data center IS controlled by a robot
# [00:14] <WG9s> oddly if i ever decide to retire frommy other job then powers on servers might be something i would have.
# [00:14] <@smaug> reuben: or if you're something in Gecko, add call to *::Shutdown()
# [00:14] <WG9s> kind of a between the it people and the project people getting the servers to do what is needed., that is what i do at my other job now.
# [00:15] <@smaug> reuben: nsLayoutStatics::Shutdown()
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# [00:18] <reuben> smaug, my code is a platform specific hal backend, I'm not sure there's a *::Shutdown nearby for me to use
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# [00:22] <reuben> ok, I'm seeing hal code using xpcom-shutdown to clear things up so I'm going with that, thanks
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# [00:24] <@dbaron> espadrine, hmmm, we never implemented calc() in media queries
# [00:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e6ae60ea418 - Bobby Holley - Bug 695292 - Port SimpleTest.executeSoon() to SpecialPowers. r=mrbkap
# [00:24] <@dbaron> espadrine, but I don't know what a percentage would mean in a media query for width, anyway
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# [00:24] <@dbaron> espadrine, so I don't think it makes sense
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# [00:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/117688e8aa1d - Gregor Wagner - Bug 783151 - Contacts API: remove whitelist leftovers. r=fabrice
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# [00:28] <KWierso> smaug: it's actually going to be below 80F most of next week, for the first time since I moved out here two months ago
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# [00:29] <@smaug> KWierso: F is hard
# [00:29] <espadrine> dbaron: percentages don't make sense, just like negative widths and heights, but otherwise it can be hard to choose the corresponding width when the limit you're really targeting is a sum of pixels and centimeters
# [00:29] <@smaug> C is the standard
# [00:29] <KWierso> okay, below 25C
# [00:29] <@smaug> ok, below 25 is ok-ish
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# [00:31] <bholley> jmaher: yt?
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# [00:31] <glazou> dbaron: ping
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# [00:32] <glazou> tantek: what I can bring tonight?
# [00:32] <glazou> besides myself
# [00:32] <glazou> food? drinks?
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# [00:33] <@dolske> a shrubbery.
# [00:33] <glazou> lol
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# [00:37] <glazou> dolske: ni!!!, by the way
# [00:37] <@dbaron> glazou, pong
# [00:37] <@dolske> :D
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# [00:38] <glazou> dbaron: I could come at moz sf offices around 5:30 and we go to tantek's together later
# [00:38] <glazou> I am at 7th/Townsend right now
# [00:38] <@stuart> mm
# [00:39] <@dbaron> glazou, hmmm.. I was actually planning to be elsewhere between 5-7 or so.
# [00:39] <glazou> oh no problem then
# [00:39] <glazou> no worries
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# [00:41] <@dbaron> glazou, ok, well, I'll see you later in the evening
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# [00:42] <glazou> sure
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# [00:47] <tantek> glazou - I'm @MozSF now
# [00:47] <tantek> and since you're in SF, you should /join #sf :D
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# [00:55] <dRdR> smaug: ping
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# [00:56] <@smaug> dRdR: pong
# [00:56] <dRdR> hey smaug, you told me a while ago to use nsIFrame->GetContent->OwnerDoc()->GetInnerWindow()->HasTouchEventListeners() to check if a frame has touch listeners
# [00:56] <dRdR> but I'm finding that GetContent is always returning null
# [00:57] <dRdR> I'm calling it in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsDisplayList.cpp#1025
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# [00:57] <@smaug> um, what kind of frame is that
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# [00:58] <dRdR> I'm not sure? my understanding of this is that it gets called on every frame every time they're painted
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# [00:58] <@smaug> usually nsIFrame objects have content object
# [00:59] <dRdR> is there something else I should check instead?
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# [01:00] <@smaug> dRdR: frame->GetPresContext()->GetPresShell()->GetDocument()->GetInnerWindow()->HasTouchListeners();
# [01:00] <dRdR> ok, will try, thanks
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# [01:00] <dRdR> even more fun indirection :)
# [01:00] <@smaug> (Get* need null checks)
# [01:00] <dRdR> yeah, thanks
# [01:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d9fbfd32c10 - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 780350 - Support gesture scrolling and pages. r=davidb
# [01:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3131d6765a0e - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 783084 - Activate AccessFu when screen reader is enabled in B2G. r=davidb
# [01:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e24233c9339 - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 780350 - Introduce TouchAdapter and add some gesture support. r=davidb
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# [01:01] <@smaug> dRdR: oh, look like the first one is PresContext()
# [01:01] <@smaug> looks
# [01:01] <dRdR> yeah
# [01:01] <dRdR> smaug: do I have to null check that?
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# [01:02] <@smaug> no
# [01:02] <dRdR> ok
# [01:02] <@smaug> dRdR: in general Get* methods need to be null checked
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# [01:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/957cd281bbba - Chris Jones - Bug 782411: Work around having multiple compositors when -jsconsole is used. r=ajuma
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# [01:14] <Callek> bholley: ping
# [01:14] <bholley> Callek: hi
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# [01:15] <Callek> bholley: is me doing the talos.zip deploy tonight (say in ~3-5 hours) and/or tomorrow going to be any more of a benefit than, say, early PT monday?
# [01:15] <Callek> for you
# [01:15] <Callek> (its not overtime for me, just different time I had set aside for other stuff)
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# [01:16] <bholley> Callek: if bz gives me an r+ on bug 757046 over the weekend, then maybe. But I think early monday is fine
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# [01:16] <Callek> bholley: sure, I just was willing to shuffle around if you were blocked on it
# [01:17] <Callek> but I can promise early monday even if other talos.zip isn't ready
# [01:17] <bholley> Callek: I appreciate it. ;-)
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# [01:17] <Callek> np
# [01:17] <bholley> Callek: we'll stay in touch, but at the moment I'm blocked on review for the patch that flips the switch
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# [01:17] <Callek> bholley: if you're itching to land that patch and bz reviews over the weekend, feel free to ping me
# [01:18] <bholley> Callek: ok awesome, thanks :-)
# [01:18] <Callek> I haven't double checked the process, but if my memory is accurate should be <10 minutes start->finish for me to update it
# [01:18] <Callek> :-)
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# [01:22] <efaust> did they recently update bmo?
# [01:22] <efaust> I appear unable to change the status of bugs? Maybe I'm insane?
# [01:23] <@khuey> did you change your email address?
# [01:23] <efaust> yes.
# [01:23] <efaust> who do I prod to get out of "we don't trust you" status
# [01:23] <@khuey> @mozilla.com addresses have certain permissions automatically granted
# [01:23] <@khuey> so if you switch from @mozilla.com to something else, you can lose those
# [01:23] <@khuey> me
# [01:24] <@khuey> among others
# [01:24] <efaust> can you fix it?
# [01:24] <@khuey> yes
# [01:24] <@khuey> what's your email?
# [01:24] <efaust> the new one is efaustbmo@gmail.com
# [01:24] <@khuey> ok
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# [01:24] <@khuey> refresh
# [01:24] * efaust last day as intern, so had to do mozco-ify
# [01:25] <efaust> thank you kindly :)
# [01:26] <philor> /msg khuey no, it was because we really don't trust efaust
# [01:26] <efaust> :P
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# [01:26] <efaust> philor: I haven't caused trouble for you even once on inbound!
# [01:27] <@khuey> philor: woops
# [01:28] <@dbaron> So I'm trying to figure out how to use git blame for code archaeology.
# [01:29] <@dbaron> and I couldn't figure out how to get the --reverse option to work
# [01:30] <@dbaron> in particular, in mozilla-central.git, I was looking at b149d43c, and wanted to figure out when the lines added to quirk.css in that revision were removed
# [01:30] <@dbaron> (the answer being 2f20b1fb)
# [01:30] <@dbaron> but I couldn't figure out how to make git blame --reverse do anything useful
# [01:31] <@dbaron> $ git blame --reverse b149d43c layout/style/quirk.css
# [01:31] <@dbaron> fatal: No commit to dig down to?
# [01:31] <@dbaron> $ git blame --reverse b149d43c layout/html/document/src/quirk.css
# [01:31] <@dbaron> fatal: cannot stat path 'b149d43c': No such file or directory
# [01:31] <@dbaron> (tried both since the file moved)
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# [01:34] <@dolske> hsivonen / mrbkap: ping?
# [01:35] <@dolske> or, uhh, anyone who wants to claim some understanding of nsExpatDriver / nsParser.
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# [01:42] <dholbert> jimb, ping
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# [01:42] <mrbkap> dolske: hahahaha
# [01:42] <jimb> dholbert: pong
# [01:43] <mrbkap> dolske: what's up?
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# [01:44] <dholbert> jimb, I'm hitting this build error on OS X: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1762555 and initially suspected your patch that landed yesterday, since it touched that line last (and added a layer of templating), but I'm not sure it's responsible... doing a local backout to see.
# [01:45] <johns> dbaron: The way I read it you give reverse a commit range, and it will show when all the lines at the start of that range were changed throughout the range
# [01:45] <jimb> dholbert: You're building with GCC 4.2, aren't you?
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# [01:45] <johns> dbaron: So, maybe: $ git blame --reverse b149d43c..master layout/style/quirk.css
# [01:45] <dholbert> jimb, yup, looks like it -- 4.2.1. (I haven't actually used this machine in a while)
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# [01:46] <jimb> Yeah, espindola and I were talking about that earlier today... let me find the bug.
# [01:47] <@dolske> mrbkap: so, I'm trying to understand the most bizarre test failure. bug 778608 has a few details in the last couple comments
# [01:47] <jimb> dholbert: Here's the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783505
# [01:47] <dholbert> jimb, ah, yeah
# [01:47] <jimb> dholbert: It's a bug in GCC 4.2 that is now fixed. espindola bisected GCC to find it, the stud.
# [01:48] <dholbert> jimb, ha, that's awesome
# [01:48] <@dolske> mrbkap: basically the test is expecting an error to be logged (with a stack like http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1752760), and it's not. :|
# [01:48] <dholbert> espindola++
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# [01:48] <jimb> dholbert: But since we're going to try to keep building with 4.2 until the end of the month, it behooves us to actually make it build for the time benig.
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# [01:48] <dholbert> indeed
# [01:48] <@dolske> mrbkap: so I'm looking for general advice... I'm not seeing any general logging or such, so I'm just slowly printf debugging ont try. :|
# [01:48] <jimb> So espindola has a localized kludge to get around it.
# [01:49] <dholbert> jimb, cool -- I'll follow along on that bug. Thanks!
# [01:49] <jimb> dholbert: Sure thing!
# [01:49] <@dbaron> johns, indeed
# [01:49] <@dbaron> johns, except that it shows last-rev-present instead of rev-that-changed/removed
# [01:50] <reuben> BenWa, how is this for properly cleaning up the mac hal battery backend (bug 696045)? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1762558
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# [01:53] <@dolske> oh, hey, there is a little bit of prlogging in nsexpat
# [01:54] <mrbkap> dolske: the test passes locally though?
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# [01:54] <@dolske> yes
# [01:55] <@dolske> and only fails on Windows debug, so far as I saw when it landed.
# [01:55] <@dolske> (iknorite?!)
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# [01:56] <mrbkap> dolske: ugh, I think this is out of my pay grade.
# [01:56] <@dolske> haha
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# [01:57] <@dolske> fair 'nuff, just hoped you might have some helpful insight!
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# [01:57] <mrbkap> dolske: could this be anything to do with something being sync on windows and asyc other places.
# [01:57] <mrbkap> dolske: thus supressing the exception?
# [01:57] <@dolske> now to see how to get prlogging turned on in a test.
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# [01:58] <@dolske> mrbkap: i have literally no guesses. could be lunar phase.
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# [02:01] <johns> dbaron: Yeah I can't figure out how to make that show the actual commits easily :-/
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# [02:01] <johns> dbaron: You can do something like $ git rev-list 123abc..master | tail -n1
# [02:01] <johns> dbaron: Where 123abc is the last commit that contained the change
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# [02:02] <johns> dbaron: Which should translate it to the first commit that occured after it on the main branch
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# [02:36] <jduell_> bent: ping
# [02:36] <bent> jduell_, hi
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# [02:37] <jduell_> bent: don't let me stop you if you're busy--I was just curious about the IPC::stream stuff you're working on.
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# [02:37] <bent> oh, it's done
# [02:37] <bent> i have to tackle IPC::URI next
# [02:37] <bent> that patch is half done
# [02:38] <bent> jduell_, but what are you curious about?
# [02:38] <jduell_> bent: So how does opening file:// URIs work? Or is that what you're working on now?
# [02:38] <bent> how does it work today?
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# [02:39] <bent> or once i'm done?
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# [02:40] <jduell_> bent: well, today the child just opens the file, right?
# [02:41] <bent> jduell_, i really don't know... you'd have to ask whoever did the necko channel stuff
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# [02:41] <bent> for OOP
# [02:41] <bent> up to this point i haven't changed a thing related to necko
# [02:41] <jduell_> bent: unless I'm missing something we never did an IPDL version for file://
# [02:41] <bent> and i don't plan to
# [02:41] <bent> ah
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# [02:41] <jduell_> so we'll still try to open file
# [02:41] <jduell_> from child
# [02:42] <bent> jduell_, you should tell cjones, like, pronto
# [02:42] <bent> because very soon that won't work
# [02:42] <bent> though, for b2g it might not matter
# [02:42] <bent> i don't know
# [02:42] <jduell_> bent: also, I was wondering how HTTP file uploads work--IIRC we did file selection box in child, then shipped file name to parent.
# [02:42] <bent> right,
# [02:42] <jduell_> bent: jar:// would also try to open from child too, i bet
# [02:42] <bent> so
# [02:42] <bent> now,
# [02:43] <bent> for file uploads via PNecko::AsyncOpen
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# [02:43] <bent> we send an InputStreamParams thing
# [02:43] <bent> and depending on what it's backed by,
# [02:43] <bent> (blob, memory buffer, file)
# [02:44] <bent> we send custom args
# [02:44] <bent> files are sorta easy, since in the new world the child can never open a file itself
# [02:44] <bent> it will always have a filedescriptor that was first given it by the parent
# [02:44] <bent> given *to* it
# [02:45] <bent> so we basically just pass that back
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# [02:45] <jduell_> bent: right. I wonder if we moved the file selector dialog to the parent. Or if we don't care about uploading files in B2G
# [02:45] <bent> i would think the file selector has always lived in the parent...
# [02:46] <jduell_> bent: well, we did a lot of work in e10s a few years ago to make explicitSetUploadStream to work on the child. So I'm guessing there was a reason
# [02:46] <bent> jduell_, sicking would know about the filepicker
# [02:47] <bent> and he's... not here
# [02:47] <jduell_> bent: heh--ok, I'll verify the file:// case and see what the b2g emulator does for file uploads, too
# [02:47] <jduell_> thanks
# [02:47] <bent> sure
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# [02:57] <cjones> jduell_, to the best of my knowledge there's no legitimate use of file:// from content processes in v1
# [02:57] <cjones> so if it's broken that's ok
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# [03:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a32f22345f2f - Luke Wagner - Fix warnings in js/src (no bug,r=themaid)
# [03:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e0c5cdfc648 - Luke Wagner - Bug 783543 - add test for fix in bug 783315 (no bug, r=me)
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# [03:54] <gps> bsmedberg-away: wrt pymake + jython, multiprocessing seems to be missing from jython. I even tried the latest jython 2.7 alpha release. module isn't there :(
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# [03:58] <Marco> anyone familiar with profile code?
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# [04:05] <darktrojan> note to self: when pushing to try, don't do it from a known-busted tip
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# [04:11] <philor> or from a not-yet-known-busted tip, either
# [04:12] <philor> since billm's relanding there is because he pushed an inbound tip with a test that was a few hours old, got the first instance of it failing on try, retriggered, green, landed, got the second instance of it failing on his push, and backed out
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# [04:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c98bb5f78008 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 765156: NPE in Property Animator's invalidate(). [r=mfinkle] a=lsblakk
# [04:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/235b96a25ef0 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 765156 - Fix NPE from getHandler() returning null for a detached view. r=mfinkle a=lsblakk
# [04:24] <philor> fun question: I've now looked at two try pushes for things which have already landed, both of which still have pending WinXP tests - should I cancel them?
# [04:25] <KWierso> philor: will the landed stuff finish before tryserver?
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# [04:26] <philor> KWierso: in one case, it landed, finished, was backed out, has relanded, and the relanding will finish before try
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# [04:27] <philor> we're at 26 hours and 745 jobs for xp on try
# [04:27] <ewong> ouch
# [04:28] <Callek> philor: huh ouch
# [04:28] * Callek looks at some buildduty-esque reports
# [04:28] <Callek> since tegra wait times are actually very very shallow right now
# [04:28] <philor> I know where 7 hung xp slaves are, since I reopened their problem tracking bugs, um, last Sunday I think
# [04:29] <philor> what I still don't know is the actual details of how they get hung and what shakes them loose
# [04:30] <Callek> yea I'm trying to figure stuff out right now for ya
# [04:30] <Callek> with >24 hour wait times I think I should
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# [04:31] * Callek stares at talos-r3-xp-073 first, which has a last-job 14 days ago, and a bug you reopened
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# [04:35] <KWierso> philor: on a related note, r+ for adding more load to the build machines with bug 783728? :)
# [04:37] <philor> 075a2e92da06?!?
# [04:37] <KWierso> yes?
# [04:38] <philor> okay, truth is I haven't looked at your tree since I hid the 10.5 trunk job :)
# [04:38] <KWierso> it's all green as far as I can see
# [04:38] <philor> ooh, prettier, r=me
# [04:38] <KWierso> kthx
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# [04:40] <Callek> philor: so I can;t get into -073 via vnc, but over ssh works fine
# [04:40] <philor> we really should have a writeup of the introduction of Win64 to put in a folklore packet for new releng hires, The Story Of How Everything Can Go Wrong And Completely Ruin A Platform's Chances For Years
# [04:40] <philor> Callek: that sounds really familiar from somewhere, said in Nick's voice
# [04:41] <Callek> seems to be stuck in its "shutdown state" (as far as I can tell)
# [04:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee1071fbb020 - Wes Kocher - Bug 783728 - Update revision of Jetpack code tested on m-c. r=philor
# [04:42] <Callek> well since VNC isn't working, ssh manual |shutdown /r /f| command doing nothing, lets try force-logout by logging in as Administrator from RDP
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# [04:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/edc8f91fd747 - Doug Turner - Bug 759416 - Backout API change. r=dougt
# [04:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77d2640d9892 - Doug Turner - Bug 782352 - Broadcast local io to onchange listeners. r=sicking
# [04:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/13efbdf35a8b - Doug Turner - Bug 782391 - Device Storage - Watch should also go through the permission prompt. r=sicking
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# [04:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7934a5efa2c - Doug Turner - Bug 777101 - DeviceStorage - Add onchange notifications test. r=khuey
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# [04:54] <ekw|2> I'm following the fennec compile instructions here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android
# [04:54] <ekw|2> When I get to the 'make -f client.mk build_and_deploy', I get this error:
# [04:54] <ekw|2> checking whether the host c compiler (gcc ) works... configure: error: installation or configuration problem: host compiler gcc cannot create executables.
# [04:55] <ekw|2> Anyone know what's wrong?
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# [04:58] <ewong> ekw|2> on which OS?
# [04:58] <ekw> Ubuntu running on Virtualbox
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# [05:01] <dRdR> ekw: I think you don't have g++ installed?
# [05:01] <dRdR> you might also be running a 64 bit setup and don't have the ia32 libs
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# [05:03] <ekw> dRdR: no, I have g++ installed
# [05:03] <ekw> g++-4.4.real (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5.1) 4.4.5
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# [05:06] <ekw> dRdR: My host is win7 64-bit, but I think I'm running 32-bit linux in my VM.
# [05:06] <ekw> dRdR: how can I confirm?
# [05:06] <dRdR> ekw: yeah I dunno, I've run into that before but I forgot
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# [05:07] <dRdR> ekw: try uname -a
# [05:07] <dRdR> or uname -m
# [05:07] <ekw> dRdR: Linux LinuxMintVM 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:34:50 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
# [05:07] <dRdR> yeah that looks like 32 bit
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# [05:48] <philor> Callek++ - https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/recent/talos-r3-xp-073
# [05:48] <Callek> philor: yep, I'm working on others too
# [05:48] <Callek> :-)
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# [05:52] <@dolske> hmm? what's noteworthy about that?
# [05:52] <Callek> dolske: that it was dead for a while, and we have >700 XP slaves
# [05:52] <Callek> s/slaves/pending jobs/
# [05:52] <Callek> so every slave I can recover, when I'm not even buildduty this week, the better ;-)
# [05:53] <@dolske> ah!
# [05:53] * @dolske also stuffs his tongue back in at the thought of 700 XP slaves
# [05:54] <Callek> hehe
# [05:54] <Callek> dolske: yea, some XP jobs had been pending on try for >24 hours
# [05:54] <Callek> which is my motivation for grabbing them right now
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# [05:58] <@dolske> I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you.
# [05:58] <nigelb> what happened to counting on philor?
# [05:59] <@dolske> philor: I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you.
# [05:59] <@dolske> (reference now unexpectedly complete. \o/)
# [06:00] <jdm> haha
# [06:00] <nigelb> haha
# [06:00] <nigelb> dolske++
# [06:00] <nigelb> The whole movie used to be on youtube. SOmeone got it removed :(
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# [06:08] <@dolske> it's just a ripoff anyway
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# [06:13] <Callek> ++
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# [06:27] <Callek> philor: are the -fed- slaves something I *need* to worry about at midnight on a friday?
# [06:28] <Callek> philor: or should I defer till whoever is next buildduty :-)
# [06:28] <philor> Callek: not at all, I just did their bugs because they do get a backlog when we're busy, and I felt guilty about alway ignoring them
# [06:28] <Callek> ok, just checking
# [06:28] <Callek> :-)
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# [06:28] * Callek didn't think it was necessary right now, just figured I'd ask
# [06:30] <philor> oldest non-XP job right now is Win7, only 3.5 hours old, chump change
# [06:31] <Callek> ahh s/oldest/oldest pending/
# [06:32] * @dolske formulates a joke about not being able to retire old platforms until their Try backlog is done. ;)
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# [06:36] <nigelb> Havvy2: dolske joke is currently in the last position in the backlog...
# [06:36] <Havvy2> nigelb++
# [06:40] <Callek> WHY IS HE BUILDING ON WINXP
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# [06:44] <sawrubh> Callek: did you just sel-plus-plus ?
# [06:44] <sawrubh> s/sel/self
# [06:44] <Callek> did I?
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# [06:45] <sawrubh> heh
# [06:45] <@dolske> wtf is that? PERL?!
# [06:46] <Callek> dolske: lol
# [06:46] <Callek> I think its a little perl, js, and shell -- all in one
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# [06:47] <sawrubh> is the JS Engine team active at European time or US time ?
# [06:47] * Callek uses so much I can never remember the correct for-each syntax
# [06:48] <@dolske> sawrubh: yes
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# [07:20] <nigelb> philor: haha, this is for you http://theprofoundprogrammer.com/post/28552672458/text-maybe-a-clean-build-will-fix-it
# [07:21] <philor> absolutely
# [07:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d11657f18f85 - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 783738 - Use Components.results.NS_BINDING_ABORTED instead of hardcoding the value, r=gavin
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# [08:03] <Cassy> Is anybody in here familiar with building Elm with VS2012 on Win8? x.x;
# [08:04] <@khuey> two or three people are, and it's 2 am for all of them
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# [08:08] <Cassy> Figures. x.x
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# [08:10] <@dolske> is there a specific question? we might be able to wing it.
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# [08:16] <KWierso|Home> Cassy: you might also try #windev but they're probably asleep over there too
# [08:18] <Cassy> It may actually have been solved - assuming I don't run into more errors. XD
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# [08:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f090cc7e9fa - Bobby Holley - Bug 553102 - Make content-> access default to deny if __exposedProps__ is not defined. r=mrbkap
# [08:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f210fb9f63c - Bobby Holley - Bug 553102 - Remove unnecessary SpecialPowers wrap in test_canvas.html. r=me
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# [08:36] <Cassy> Any hints as to my "nsinstall: command not found" issue? x.x
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# [08:48] <Cassy> I seem to have avoided the problem by using the 64-bit Mozilla-Build tools batch. <.<
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# [08:56] <drexler> any linux guy up?
# [08:57] <glandium> drexler: try me
# [08:57] <drexler> cool.
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# [08:58] <drexler> so i have a built a shared lib and i placed it in the objdir/dist/bin/ folder but firefox doesn't seem to pick it up
# [08:58] <drexler> is usr/lib the place to copy it to??
# [08:59] <glandium> drexler: what are you trying to do?
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# [09:00] <drexler> it's part of the llvmpipe implementation, see bug 761155.
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# [09:01] <drexler> the goal is when a pref is enabled, the right lib is loaded. i have already done the windows version( placed in the dist/bin folder for testing purposes)
# [09:02] <drexler> just confused where exactly shared libs for firefox should be placed when it comes to linux
# [09:03] <glandium> would the library be shipped with firefox?
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# [09:03] <drexler> nope. we're planning on having an add-on(to be built later) which will automatically download the library
# [09:05] <glandium> mmm if it's an addon, why would it download the library instead of including it?
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# [09:06] <glandium> anyways, if it's an addon, this means the library will be at a different location, in the end, which is, neither the firefox directory, nor /usr/lib
# [09:07] <glandium> you should have the same problem on windows, btw, if you have an addon in the end
# [09:07] <@dolske> addons downloading a binary library are not going to be approved for AMO, fwiw.
# [09:08] <drexler> errmm that's tentative for now (it can be included) but we just want to have the prefs all set up before going further
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# [09:09] <drexler> i will update bjacob about the AMO restrictions.
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# [09:10] <@dolske> mmm, someone was just telling me about llvmpipe.
# [09:10] <@dolske> 'tis possible there's more context here I'm not aware of.
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# [09:11] <glandium> drexler: well, if what you land doesn't account for the fact that the library is not going to be at a location where the dynamic linker will find them, having the pref won't advance much
# [09:11] <glandium> what you need is to load the library with an explicit path
# [09:12] <glandium> and some way to pass that path
# [09:12] <glandium> that could be the pref value
# [09:13] <@dolske> I think itf it's xpcom you'd be wanting something like https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Chrome_Registration#binary-component
# [09:14] <glandium> dolske: it's not xpcom
# [09:14] <@dolske> otherwise you're talking ctyles + dlopen afaik
# [09:14] <@dolske> * ctypes
# [09:14] <glandium> dolske: it's a library loaded by gfx/gl
# [09:14] <@dolske> ah. well.
# [09:15] * @dolske asserts ignorance, heads to bed. :)
# [09:15] <glandium> dolske: night
# [09:15] <drexler> glandium: oh ok. we just have a pref as true/false.
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# [09:16] <drexler> assuming that the addon included the lib, where exactly does it get installed? will the library loader find it still or will it still need an explicit path?
# [09:17] <glandium> drexler: it will be somewhere in the profile directory
# [09:17] <glandium> drexler: so what you want is for the addon to find its own location, and set the pref
# [09:18] <glandium> and the gfx/gl code to use the pref for the path to the library
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# [09:19] <drexler> yeah...
# [09:20] <drexler> thanks glandium , that's certainly food for thought. :)
# [09:20] <glandium> np
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# [09:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/68ecea83a7da - Geoff Lankow - Bug 704751 - toolkit/mozapps/extensions/content/extensions.js should not use sync XHR; r=Unfocused
# [09:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/795f17fe361d - Geoff Lankow - Bug 740289 - Check install.rdf has a valid combination of optionsType, optionsURL and/or options.xul in the add-on. r=Unfocused
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# [10:08] <sawrubh> ++ to whoever landed that change, which outputs the url of the try push in the terminal itself after you push. Saves me some effort.
# [10:11] <darktrojan> the effort of opening your email and clicking on the link? :P
# [10:11] <Ms2ger> graememcc++
# [10:11] <Ms2ger> There you go :)
# [10:11] <darktrojan> also it's not just try, as I just discovered
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# [10:12] <sawrubh> darktrojan: :)
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# [10:12] * darktrojan saw the long output and thought 'shit, I pushed it to try by mistake'
# [10:13] <Ms2ger> It's only try that prints the tbpl link, though
# [10:13] <darktrojan> oh was it an hg link, I didn't really read it
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# [10:17] <darktrojan> philor, did you write some actual code? :o
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# [10:18] <Ms2ger> Long, long ago in a repo far, far away
# [10:18] <Ms2ger> (c-c?)
# [10:18] <darktrojan> heh
# [10:18] <darktrojan> nah, m-i, today
# [10:19] <darktrojan> not really actual code though
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# [10:22] <Optimizer> now I can have 50 thumbnails to show up on my new tab page \m/ . All preloaded.
# [10:24] <glandium> Optimizer: the number is configurable, now?
# [10:24] <Optimizer> will be after fx-team m=c merge
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# [10:24] <Optimizer> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/257a59b45897
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# [10:27] <Optimizer> anyone in for creating the ultimate ircbot of all times ?
# [10:28] <Optimizer> except you ↓
# [10:28] <sawrubh> Optimizer: aren't you happy with firebot and the occasional sawrubh|bot
# [10:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9dc6b1b9db8e - Jacek Caban - Bug 782908 - Updated harfbuzz to current version r=jfkthame
# [10:29] <sawrubh> Optimizer: hey, you know the downward arrow actually felt spooky, like someone was pointing at me
# [10:29] <Optimizer> happy would be at the other end of pacific ocean
# [10:29] <Optimizer> I was, I knew :P
# [10:30] <darktrojan> well that makes one of my addons mostly obsolete
# [10:30] <darktrojan> took long enough
# [10:30] <sawrubh> darktrojan: which one ?
# [10:30] <darktrojan> the one that customises the number of tiles on the new tab page
# [10:30] <Optimizer> wasn't that obv ?
# [10:34] <darktrojan> no UI though
# [10:34] <darktrojan> mine has UI
# [10:35] <Optimizer> :D
# [10:35] <Optimizer> feeling happy now ?
# [10:35] <sawrubh> out of curiosity and having nothing better to do, I want to track which bug was causing this ( https://twitter.com/sawrubh/status/236728804033306624/photo/1/large and https://twitter.com/sawrubh/status/236722053116485632/photo/1/large ) in Firefox 14.0.1
# [10:35] <sawrubh> any help ?
# [10:37] <darktrojan> no idea
# [10:37] <darktrojan> try roc or someone like that
# [10:37] <Ms2ger> Or mattwoodrow
# [10:38] <Optimizer> wf in 17 though
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# [10:39] <sawrubh> Optimizer: it works, but I want to learn the process of pin pointing bugs behind some errors we encounter in the browser
# [10:39] <Optimizer> there is one automation tool for that
# [10:40] <Optimizer> forgot the name though
# [10:41] <Optimizer> btw, if u still feel spooked out, I knew that you will say something after my ircbot line, and that's why I put a down arrow :P
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# [10:42] <Optimizer> Yoric|backup: nice trick there
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# [10:42] <Yoric> Which trick is that?
# [10:43] <Optimizer> isn't the signin of Yoric|backup automated ?
# [10:43] <Yoric> If Yoric is unavailable (generally because I have just been logged out), yes.
# [10:44] <Optimizer> and how do you achieve it, most importantly, how are you chatting through both ?
# [10:45] <darktrojan> and is it really that necessary to be on irc without interruptions
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# [10:50] <capella> yoric: on Bug 770538 is the idea just to have a getter like .name or .path called .file for example that
# [10:50] <capella> opens the file and returns back the descriptor of the entry?
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# [10:53] <capella> ah well ... post the patch / wait for feedback
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# [11:19] <efaust> I assume that I am confused. If I have LDAP access with an email address that's not @mozilla.com, I don't actually get intranet access, right?
# [11:20] <@smaug> I guess so
# [11:20] <@smaug> there isn't much non-moco related stuff in intranet
# [11:21] <@smaug> (there isn't much any data in the intranet)
# [11:21] <efaust> it's unclear to me, then, why changing my LDAP to non-moco email results in the new email getting mailed a password and a link to intranet.mozilla?
# [11:21] * efaust is obviously missing something somehow
# [11:22] <efaust> I mean, yeah, I've no need for the intranet, I'm just confused.
# [11:23] <efaust> smaug: is there a more coherent place for me to ask on IRC?
# [11:23] <@smaug> #it ?
# [11:24] * efaust will try there
# [11:24] <efaust> thanks
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# [11:26] <dRdR> efaust: thought you were going to sleep?
# [11:27] <efaust> dRdR: I am, I had a fix to push
# [11:27] <efaust> dRdR: so I came home and checked my bugmail just in case, to find tha the serverops team is awesome
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# [11:28] * @smaug wonders if gerv gets salary*2, since he is twice in the phonebook.
# [11:29] <gerv> smaug: Wouldn't that be nice :-)
# [11:29] <gerv> Read the entries carefully, and you will find an explanation.
# [11:30] <@smaug> odd bug somewhere
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# [11:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f390e36c7fe2 - Shlomi Fish - Bug 781808 - Don't fail to remove inexistent .pyc files during sdk packaging. r=glandium
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# [11:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a1ba35958b98 - Mike Hommey - Bug 781529 - Use -MMD flag for dependency generation instead of -MD. r=ted
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# [11:36] <darktrojan> awesome, cycle collection collects my observer :(
# [11:38] <darktrojan> it's not like I was trying to use it or anything
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# [11:38] <capella> you'd think the observer would've seen it coming and ducked out of the way
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# [11:39] <darktrojan> maybe I need to implement nsIReflexAction
# [11:39] <capella> HAH
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# [11:40] <capella> <-- easily amused @ 5:30 am
# [11:40] <darktrojan> I probably meant to say garbage collection not cycle collection
# [11:41] <Ms2ger> Why are you here at 5:30 AM? :)
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# [11:41] <capella> used to working 3d shift ... cant get out of the habit ...
# [11:41] <@smaug> darktrojan: what?
# [11:42] <@smaug> observerservice observers aren't cycle collected
# [11:42] <@smaug> oh, gc
# [11:43] <darktrojan> hmm no I think I know what's going on
# [11:43] <darktrojan> it's a pref observer and I've lost all references to the prefbranch
# [11:43] <darktrojan> that sucks
# [11:44] <darktrojan> yeah that seems to be what's happening
# [11:45] <darktrojan> false alarm, PEBKAC
# [11:45] * sawrubh|bot wonders what's the difference between cycle collection and gc
# [11:46] <darktrojan> cycle collection goes looking for things to gc
# [11:46] <darktrojan> that aren't being collected because they hold references to each other in a cycle
# [11:46] <darktrojan> or something
# [11:47] <@smaug> sawrubh|bot: cycles between C++ objects are unlinked by cycle collector
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# [11:48] <@smaug> (cycle collection needs to traverse also JS to detect C++Object1->JS->C++Object2->C++Object1 type of cycles)
# [11:48] <sawrubh|bot> smaug: how does it decide how to break the cycle ? or does it gc the entire cycle where the entire cycle is not being used
# [11:49] <@smaug> GC and CC run at different times
# [11:49] <@smaug> oh, how to break cycle
# [11:49] <@smaug> CC calls Unlink
# [11:49] <@smaug> which is implemented in the cycle collectable C++ classes
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# [11:50] <@smaug> sawrubh: khuey|away wrote a blog post recently http://blog.kylehuey.com/post/27564411715/cycle-collection
# [11:51] <efaust> smaug: I thought CC didn't speak JS and GC didn't speak C++, so the result is that you have to run them in sequence? Is that not actually true?
# [11:51] <sawrubh> smaug: thanks for the link.
# [11:52] <@smaug> efaust: GC and CC used to run in sequence, but that is not true anymore
# [11:52] <efaust> oh, cool. When did that change? How do we address this "limited vision" problem now?
# [11:52] <@smaug> although in practice we do often run one quite soon after another
# [11:53] <@smaug> hmm, GC and CC were separated ...18 months ago?
# [11:53] <@smaug> (before I started to hack cycle collector)
# [11:55] <efaust> sure, but we still have this GC CC GC CC behavior, no?
# [11:55] <@smaug> also, nowadays GC is incremental so it run in several async steps and CC is also kind of incremental because we run purple buffer clean up phases (to remove certainly alive stuff from CC) before actual CC.
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# [11:55] <@smaug> efaust: it can be GC GC GC GC CC
# [11:55] <@smaug> or CC CC CC CC GC
# [11:56] <@smaug> CC doesn't run if purple buffer is empty or almost empty
# [11:56] <efaust> but...that' won't break links, because there are some color assumptions on the boundary conditions, I had heard?
# [11:56] * efaust doesn't actually know much about how they work inside
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# [11:57] <@smaug> we may keep some stuff alive until both collectors have run
# [11:57] * efaust nods
# [11:57] <efaust> OK, then my understanding is at least coherent with that
# [11:57] <@smaug> we do try to guarantee that both do run often enough, but not too often
# [11:58] <efaust> that's all you can do.
# [11:59] <efaust> Ms2ger: what does "unpref" mean in the context of bug 776239? I take it to mean "remove the pref, making the Paris XHR the only one". Is that accurate?
# [11:59] * @smaug should write down how our CC works
# [12:00] <@smaug> khuey|away's blog post misses all the fun optimizations
# [12:01] <Ms2ger> efaust, well, "make the pref not affect this interface"
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# [12:01] <Ms2ger> efaust, (there's only one pref for WebIDL interfaces)
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# [12:02] <efaust> Ms2ger: OK, awesome. Is khuey|away's patch laying around somewhere? Do we know why it was broken?
# [12:03] <Ms2ger> khuey|away apparently doesn't want to share it, and I don't know :)
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# [12:09] <efaust> ok, well, I have inquired in bug. Who knows whether anything will come of it. If they are ready, we should flip the switch, though.
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# [12:14] <loadbang> just loaded a photo, checked activity monitor and the hard drive is thrashed with write outs. I/O hits 600 a second for about 3-4 seconds.
# [12:14] <loadbang> close photo, it stops.
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# [12:38] <Optimizer> what would be the name of the component that handles CC GC ?
# [12:38] <Optimizer> and if there is no name, what should it be called, like the Network calls can be just name Network
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# [13:08] <Ms2ger> Optimizer, CC is part of XPCOM, GC part of JSeng
# [13:09] <Optimizer> can I term them under "Memory" ?
# [13:09] <Optimizer> I am trying to make a very high level diagram for the Timeline
# [13:10] <Optimizer> "graphical timeline of events"
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# [13:10] <Optimizer> otherwise, right now I am directly using the "Gecko"
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# [14:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/15cdfa85ed10 - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 783284 - [OS.File] Rename *Time to *Date. r=froydnj
# [14:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/007530514a39 - Marco Castelluccio - Bug 780528 - Webapp uninstallation on Linux through desktop action. r=karlt
# [14:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/50dd132b8440 - Marco Castelluccio - Bug 780530 - Notification after webapp uninstallation. r=mhommey
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# [14:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e2f52263118e - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 783532 - Remove DOMError::CreateForDOMExceptionCode. r=sicking
# [14:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c48df21d744 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge the last PGO-green inbound changeset to m-c.
# [14:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e867ea87ac56 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
# [14:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/54e0653278ba - ffxbld - Automated blocklist update from host bld-centos5-32-vmw-011
# [14:38] <Optimizer> shut up firebot
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# [14:42] <Ms2ger> firebot, botsnack
# [14:42] <firebot> yay
# [14:42] <Optimizer> firebot: mute
# [14:43] <firebot> Optimizer: Well, mute browser is http://kb.mozillazine.org/Muting_browser
# [14:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1669cdb480f3 - Mohit Sinha - Bug 781189 - Remove rowline attributes from mtable-align-whitespace.html and mtable-align-whitespace-ref.html to fix intermittent failures. r=fwang
# [14:43] * Optimizer slaps firebot
# [14:43] <firebot> GETOFF!!!
# [14:44] <Optimizer> firebot: where can I find your source code ?
# [14:44] <firebot> Optimizer: Sorry, I've no idea what 'your source code' might be.
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# [14:49] <Ms2ger> Somewhere in CVS, last time I checked
# [14:49] <KaiRo> Optimizer: it's a mozbot, see http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/mozbot/
# [14:50] <KaiRo> and yes, that's on the old archive site, as that project dates back to the stone ago
# [14:50] <KaiRo> s/ago/age/
# [14:50] <Optimizer> can I configure ans reuse it usinng my website ?
# [14:51] <Optimizer> to log and make a persistant connection and do moar stuff
# [14:51] <KaiRo> Optimizer: you can run one yourself, but it's probably not what you are looking for
# [14:51] <Optimizer> how do you know that ?
# [14:51] <KaiRo> its logging isn't very good, and persistent connection for yourself is not what it can do
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# [14:52] <sawrubh> Optimizer: use screen+irssi ;)
# [14:52] * sawrubh ducks
# [14:52] <Optimizer> I will use that only, but the bot has to be written in code
# [14:53] <KaiRo> it's ancient perl code
# [14:53] <Optimizer> screen+irssi is a way to connect with irc, not a bot on itself
# [14:53] <KaiRo> and you probably want something more modern if you want to hack around - but the mozbot code is there, feel free to take a look
# [14:54] <KaiRo> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/webtools/mozbot/
# [14:55] <Optimizer> ah, thanks :)
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# [15:18] <jwatt> joint wikipedia/moz editathon going on in Moz London office for next three hours
# [15:18] <jwatt> working on the pages at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mozilla#Open_tasks
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# [15:29] <sawrubh> jwatt: I read through the page, but could not understand how can I help ?
# [15:29] <sawrubh> jwatt: The Mozilla, Firefox and Firefox OS pages do those require background knowledge ?
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# [15:39] <jwatt> sawrubh: if you want to help, add your name to a section that doesn't have a name next to it here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Editathon
# [15:40] <jwatt> sawrubh: then click Edit for that section (_not_ the whole document) on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mozilla/Sandbox
# [15:40] <jwatt> we're currently completely rewriting the main Mozilla page in that Sandbox page
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# [15:59] <sawrubh> jwatt: ping for the Etherpad
# [16:00] <sawrubh> jwatt: I've written my name against something, can you tell me what needs to be done in that section
# [16:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb2bd7862bbd - Ed Morley - Bug 685516 - Mark more tests as random; rs=khuey
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# [16:06] <jwatt> sawrubh: just whatever looks wrong or needs adding
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# [16:07] <jwatt> that's a different page to the one we're currently editing, but that's fine
# [16:07] <firebot> Check-in:
# [16:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a6ab6aaa8aa0 - Justin Lebar - Bug 776132 - When the gonk AppShell is trying to shut down the OrientationObserver, don't call OrientationObserver::GetInstance() -- that might /create/ an orientation
# [16:07] <firebot> observer! r=cjones
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# [16:19] <Marco> glandium, ping
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# [16:29] <ewong> is anyone else having trouble loading tbpl?
# [16:30] <zzzzz_> m-c is ok here
# [16:31] <sawrubh> ewong: wfm
# [16:31] <ewong> sawrubh, zzzzz_ thanks
# [16:32] <zzzzz_> yw
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# [17:56] <MattN> Marco: pong
# [17:56] <Marco> MattN, do you have any experience with the profile locking code?
# [17:56] <MattN> Marco: yes, related to startup-crash detection
# [17:57] <Marco> MattN: I've a problem with that code
# [17:58] <Marco> MattN: I need to lock the profile of a webapp during its reinstallation
# [17:58] <Marco> so that if the webapp is running, you can't reinstall it
# [17:58] <MattN> ok
# [17:59] <Marco> the problem is that if two types of locks are created for that directory (using fcntl and symlink)
# [17:59] <Marco> but only one lock is deleted by the unlock function
# [17:59] <Marco> (on Linux)
# [18:00] <Marco> MattN: doing this (http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1763762) indeed solves the problem
# [18:00] <MattN> Marco: the existence of the lock file no longer means that the profile is locked
# [18:01] * MattN looks at nsProfileLock.cpp
# [18:03] <Marco> MattN: yes, but we use two locks and later we unlock only one of them
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# [18:03] <Marco> yes looking at the code would make it clearer :)
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# [18:06] <MattN> are you saying that the symlink lock is not remove and that causes makes some code detect the profile is locked?
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# [18:08] <MattN> sorry, it's early. many typos there
# [18:08] <MattN> Marco: are you saying that the symlink lock is not removed and that causes some code to detect the profile is locked?
# [18:08] <Marco> MattN: exactly
# [18:08] <Marco> I guess it's not a problem normally
# [18:09] <Marco> because when you close Firefox the mLockFileDesc file is automatically closed
# [18:09] <MattN> yeah, I think that we ignore the symlink if we already have an fcntl lock
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# [18:10] <Marco> MattN: what do you think of that change? Is it acceptable?
# [18:11] <MattN> Marco: you're using nsProfileLock::Lock?
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# [18:11] <Marco> wait
# [18:12] <Marco> MattN: https://bug765380.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=653014 look the latest lines, the isRunning function
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# [18:18] <Yoric> I like that Lisp post on dev-platform.
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# [18:19] <Marco> Yoric: did you see bug 765645?
# [18:20] <MattN> Marco: it seems like what you're proposing makes sense but I'm not sure why it is like that. I'm going to look at Bonsai CVS history
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# [18:22] <MattN> Marco: seems like the code has been like that from the beginning
# [18:23] <Yoric> Marco: I like it :)
# [18:24] <MattN> Marco: I think you should flag bsmedberg for review of the nsProfileLock.cpp change
# [18:24] <Marco> MattN: ok, thank you ;)
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# [18:26] <Marco> Yoric: there's also a meme for that bug: http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/27056338653/do-i-need-to-invoice-mozilla-and-microsoft-or-is
# [18:26] <nemo> grrr. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780232 is starting to get annoying :(
# [18:26] <nemo> I'm now 2 weeks behind on nightlies
# [18:27] <nemo> I have no idea if when I run the profiler I'm getting sane results
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# [18:28] <Yoric> Marco: Thanks for the tip :)
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# [18:30] <nemo> ugh. I hate the new download tool no matter where I click or right click, I can't seem to find "open containing folder"
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# [18:33] <Ms2ger> nemo, don't think it exists :/
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# [18:35] <Ms2ger> No pending builds...
# [18:35] <Ms2ger> Slackers.
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# [18:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f9a8c6ac4f16 - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 771929 - Serialize numbers. r=froydnj
# [18:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e4380b304c5a - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 776259 - Serialize file info. r=froydnj
# [18:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d77429ef5fe - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 782303 - Serialize directory entries. r=froydnj
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# [18:37] <BenWa> nemo: Send me the profile if you're unsure how to read it
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# [18:37] <nemo> BenWa: ehm. The profile makes enough sense
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# [18:37] <nemo> BenWa: I'm just worried about falling behind
# [18:38] <nemo> BenWa: esp if I want to test ionmonkey builds to see if Firefox' performance improves
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# [18:38] <nemo> BenWa: and if I disable layers accel, I get significantly worse game performance
# [18:38] <nemo> so. it'd be nice if whoever crashed things, uncrashed them :-p
# [18:38] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779852 most likely
# [18:39] <Ms2ger> It's always fun when the explanation for the code you're looking at is "1.1 <ltabb> 1998-03-27 18:31 Free the lizard"
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# [19:19] <RyanVM> evilpie: pfft, on weekends, inbound is my Try
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# [19:31] <Tos> does anyone know if it is possible to use in the build the speed of the graphic card to make it faster??
# [19:32] <evilpie> no
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# [19:33] <evilpie> http://www.reddit.com/r/mozillamemes
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# [19:48] <sawrubh> I'm sure gps would love that too :)
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# [19:57] <sawrubh> lesson learnt today : never celebrate (fully) until the patch lands completely and I mean m-c
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# [19:59] <reuben> I wonder what are the fastest build times people get on beastly machines, like an overclocked ivy bridge/1666Mhz RAM/SSD mbp
# [20:00] <philor> sawrubh: still too early, never celebrate until it hits m-r
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# [20:01] <sawrubh> philor: what's m-r ?
# [20:01] <philor> mozilla-release
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# [20:01] <philor> as in "I made it through mozilla-beta without being told to back out"
# [20:02] <sawrubh> hmm..well I haven't been that (un)fortunate to care for m-r.
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# [20:33] <sawrubh> reuben: are you still working on 715419 ?
# [20:33] <reuben> sawrubh, nope
# [20:33] <reuben> sawrubh, never figured that bug out
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# [20:34] <sawrubh> reuben: any hints/pointers as to what might be needed to fix it ? Do I need to first gather statistics or can I directly make some changes to the code ?
# [20:35] <sawrubh> any idea which timezone luke works in ?
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# [20:36] <reuben> sawrubh, yes, you need to gather statistics first by pattern matching the bytecode against that sort function
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# [20:41] <reuben> sawrubh, see LambdaIsGetElem on jsstr.cpp
# [20:41] <sawrubh> reuben: did https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715419#c6 happen when you were doing this pattern matching ?
# [20:42] <reuben> sawrubh, I had the pattern matching and specialization working at some point, that bug happened when gathering statistics
# [20:42] <reuben> sawrubh, the jsruntime containing the stats would magically disappear before reporting the data
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> reuben, turns out that SSD doesn't help much if you can fit srcdir+objdir in RAM :)
# [20:45] <@khuey> ugh
# [20:45] <@khuey> I hate it when I attach to the wrong firefox.exe
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> emk++
# [20:46] <nigelb> to dgb?
# [20:46] <nigelb> erm
# [20:46] <nigelb> gdb
# [20:46] <reuben> Ms2ger, haha, did you actually do that?
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor did, I think
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> I have but 4GiB
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# [20:53] <Ms2ger> We really are slacking off
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# [21:29] <RyanVM> sawrubh: luke is PDT
# [21:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fd9112dd8271 - Kyle Huey - Bug 773435: Remove some extraneous nsIImageLoadingContent includes. r=jlebar
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# [22:37] <efaust> khuey: ping
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# [22:39] <@khuey> efaust: pon
# [22:39] <@khuey> g
# [22:41] <efaust> khuey: do you have a minute to discuss/describe the current webidl/idl interactions? I read the WIP you posted, but it looks like it just removes the IDL version, so I'm not sure how that causes a crash? Weren't the WebIDL versions preffed on anyways?
# [22:42] <@khuey> well it causes a crash cause it looks like the hasInstance hook for nsJSIID stil relies on the IDL version
# [22:42] <@khuey> efaust: fwiw, I don't really understand the interaction very well, you want bz or peterv for that
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# [22:43] <TSA3000> can i ask question
# [22:44] <TSA3000> anyone here
# [22:44] <efaust> khuey: oh, I see, OK. I'm still trying to get oriented to the old system, having only touched the new stuff
# [22:44] <efaust> TSA3000: don't ask to ask, just ask.
# [22:44] <TSA3000> hi is there anyone who knows if there is a way to change the title bar in events for liightning in thunderbird from text box to drop down list to choose from
# [22:44] <TSA3000> ok =)
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# [22:44] <@khuey> efaust: yeah, sorry I can't be more useful
# [22:45] <efaust> khuey: no problem. This stuff is quite complicated, looks like. I'll see if I can't glean anything by bashing on it this afternoon, and I'll ask bz when he gets back on Monday if not.
# [22:45] <efaust> assuming you don't mind my taking a look.
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# [22:47] <TSA3000> anyonre
# [22:47] <TSA3000> anyone?
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# [22:47] <@khuey> efaust: please do :-)
# [22:48] <squib> TSA3000: you'd probably get a better response in #calendar
# [22:50] <TSA3000> i will try it
# [22:50] <TSA3000> :(
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# [23:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9fd67bb245e3 - Myk Melez - bug 783709 - Launching a web application on Nightly shows a window with no title and white content; r=felipe
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# [23:53] <Marco> how can I get a stacktrace of a failing mochitest test?
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# [23:54] <Marco> ok, found
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# [23:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/367463c4136b - Chris Jones - Bug 783736: Load in-gecko controls for media-plugin types. r=roc
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