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8. # [00:03] <philor> Callek: a much higher percentage of the tests failed in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=29176a64a839 than in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b3318f79f9c2 :\
9. # [00:03] <@smaug> hmm, but this could be because of the refreshdriver bug
10. # [00:03] <Callek> philor: yes, and thats ok :-)
11. # [00:04] <Callek> philor: if you only care about 20 jobs, and 10 jobs fail, thats very likely to be a "problem" if you care about 50 jobs, and 10 jobs fail, its *possible* that all 10 were orange
12. # [00:04] <Callek> ;-)
13. # [00:04] <Callek> (and less likely to be irrelevant to cancel the rest)
14. # [00:04] <Callek> but yea, I didn't say its easy to do
15. # [00:05] <marco> karl, ping
16. # [00:07] <karl> marco: hi
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18. # [00:08] <marco> karl: about the patch for libnotify, looks like it uses atexit, so it shouldn't be dlclosed, is that a problem?
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21. # [00:09] <karl> marco: no, not a problem; if it uses atexit, then just have a comment explaining that is why it is not dlclosed
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24. # [00:11] <marco> karl: ok. Glandium said I should add a guard on libNotifyHandle in nsAlertsIconListener::ShowAlert too, but I think a guard in InitAlertAsync should be enough, do you agree?
25. # [00:12] <@smaug> awesome, now I get 160% cpu usage
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27. # [00:12] <marco> (InitAlertSync is the function that creates the Request and ShowAlert is called only by request callbacks)
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36. # [00:26] <karl> marco: what you say makes sense
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44. # [00:33] <marco> karl, ok, thank you
45. # [00:34] <marco> karl: do you think the dbus work is still needed after this?
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56. # [00:50] <karl> marco: i expect the dbus work is no longer needed; i had assumed the libnotify api had changed more than that; did you check each of the functions we use?
57. # [00:50] <karl> marco: and do you know anything about libnotify.so.[23]?
58. # [00:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/28dc3eadf4a0 - Andrew Sutherland - Bug 782862 - Add a --runapp command to b2g-desktop to automatically start an app, r=vingtetun
59. # [00:51] <karl> marco: possibly the concern is there will be a libnotify.so.5, but i don't know whether the dbus api is more stable
60. # [00:51] <marco> karl: I've found this handy website (http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/libnotify.html), looks like libnotify.so.[23] never existed
61. # [00:52] <karl> that looks a useful site, thanks
62. # [00:52] <marco> and this (http://upstream-tracker.org/compat_reports/libnotify/0.6.0_to_0.7.0/abi_compat_report.html) is the change between 1 and 4, the only symbol that we use is notify_notification_new
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100. # [01:43] <Hughman> hmm, http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ works in fx15 but not fx16
101. # [01:43] <Hughman> firebug shows an nsresult exception
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120. # [02:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c11e66f2143a - David Zbarsky - Bug 783841 - Fix build warnings in layers r=cjones
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122. # [02:20] <AaronMT> Anyone seen this build error before? Any help appreciated: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1766209
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125. # [02:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a9ef73422de - Matthew Gregan - Bug 780490 - Re-enable test_seek, test_seek_out_of_range, and test_timeupdate_small_files on Linux. (Also bug 780491 and bug 780492). Test only.
126. # [02:21] <KWierso|Home> Hughman: I get :
127. # [02:21] <KWierso|Home> Timestamp: 8/19/2012 5:10:47 PM
128. # [02:21] <KWierso|Home> Error: NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS: Could not convert JavaScript argument
129. # [02:21] <KWierso|Home> Source File: http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/lib/paper.js.pagespeed.jm.MZasmV4whh.js
130. # [02:21] <KWierso|Home> Line: 590
131. # [02:21] <KWierso|Home> in Nightly
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133. # [02:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62786c75d7cd - Chris Double - Bug 781831 - Build media and omx plugins by default on Android - r=khuey
134. # [02:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c676b554c7bb - Chris Double - Bug 781831 - Part 2 - Fix package error on XUL android - r=mfinkle
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140. # [02:27] <Hughman> KWierso|Home: On aurora it is "Error: Exception thrown (nsresult = 0x80570009)."
141. # [02:28] <Hughman> KWierso|Home: also this was just something that I noticed when a friend sent me the link (not my page)
142. # [02:29] <Hughman> should i do something more with this, like report a bug?
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158. # [02:51] <darktrojan> :(
159. # [02:51] <darktrojan> MDN has removed the letters MDN from their page titles
160. # [02:51] <darktrojan> there goes my awesomebar skillz
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172. # [03:03] <marco> is there a way to have older inbound builds than those listed here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-inbound-linux64/ ?
173. # [03:06] <nthomas> we keep 30 days, then you'd have to fall back to nightlies
174. # [03:07] <nthomas> you could ask alice for a regression window too
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177. # [03:09] <philor> smaug / mattwoodrow : does it somehow make sense that dlbi is causing a massive increase in instances of bug 565245?
178. # [03:11] <mccr8> khuey was offering last week to look into intermittent oranges on Windows, maybe he could take a look at it.
179. # [03:11] <philor> because as soon as I typed "whatever's making this so much worse landed June 30th, was backed out July 3rd, and relanded August 13th," I knew what matched that perfectly
180. # [03:12] <@smaug> I wonder which events go wrong
181. # [03:12] <@smaug> dlbi certainly could have changed something in mouse events
182. # [03:12] <@smaug> well, in hit testing
183. # [03:12] <mattwoodrow> philor: I'm not familiar with the bug, but the patches that landed do change paint timings
184. # [03:13] <mattwoodrow> so it seems plausible
185. # [03:13] <marco> nthomas: my regression is between 17 - 18, so the inbound build was deleted two days ago... :(
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188. # [03:16] <KWierso|Home> darktrojan: if you set up a bookmark keyword for MDN as "mdn", it should still work, right?
189. # [03:17] <darktrojan> yes, but I skip searching for it if I have the page in my history
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192. # [03:20] <philor> mmm, reading http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/events/test/test_bug493251.html?force=1 was sort of rewarding, the magic setTimeouts switch me back to thinking it's the test's fault
193. # [03:20] <philor> smaug: why 1000?
194. # [03:20] <philor> why not 2000?
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196. # [03:21] <philor> or 500?
197. # [03:21] <philor> or 7000?
198. # [03:21] <philor> or, in the case of the magic number I just changed to kill a dozen oranges a day, why not 1003?
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201. # [03:23] <derf> Oh no, 1003 is the DIRE FAILURE number.
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203. # [03:23] <@smaug> I don't recall why 1000
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207. # [03:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8e7ce1cd72a6 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 308801 - box-sizing:border-box with min-/max-width/height reftests.
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211. # [03:33] <philor> is suppressEventHandling supposed to not suppress the mouseup?
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213. # [03:34] <@smaug> it does suppress
214. # [03:34] <@smaug> but some events are queued
215. # [03:34] <@smaug> during suppression
216. # [03:35] <@smaug> (this CPU usage bug is insane)
217. # [03:35] <@smaug> (something to do with session restore maybe? If several tabs are restored simultaneously, CPU usage goes to 80% and stays there)
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219. # [03:37] <mccr8> smaug: have you tried the built in profiler?
220. # [03:37] <@smaug> doesn't work on linux
221. # [03:37] <@smaug> last time I tried
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224. # [03:37] <BenWa> smaug: still doesn't :(
225. # [03:37] <BenWa> it's being worked on
226. # [03:37] <mccr8> ah I didn't know that.
227. # [03:37] <philor> seems like I had troubles like that, before restore_on_demand
228. # [03:39] <philor> bleah, the problem is probably that we need more magic timeouts, since it's the events at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/events/test/test_bug493251.html?force=1#159 we miss
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232. # [03:40] <philor> and the way the test goes, no way of telling whether they fall on the floor, or they show up by the time the 1000ms setTimeout is over, and we think we're getting the second ones when we're really getting the first set
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235. # [03:44] <@smaug> philor: let me try to look at the test tomorrow
236. # [03:44] <@smaug> (I'm still way too jetlagged to do anything sane)
237. # [03:45] <philor> 'k, though I think looking at tests goes far better *without* sanity than with
238. # [03:48] <Callek> ++
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264. # [04:23] <ferongr> log: typeof (_base = console.log).bind === "function" ? _base.bind(console) : void 0, This line breaks a userscript's execution in today's (20120819) nightly with a "TypeError: undefined has no properties" error. Does this look like a bug?
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271. # [04:30] <dzbarsky> ferongr: that may have to do with the exposeProps stuff
272. # [04:31] <dzbarsky> ferongr: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628410
273. # [04:32] <dzbarsky> ferongr: err, actually https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=553102
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275. # [04:33] <ferongr> Yeah, found it already from the Nightly's pushlog, there's a dependent bug for another userscript too
276. # [04:33] <ferongr> thanks
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287. # [04:51] <ferongr> filed bug 783931 fwiw
288. # [04:51] <DGMurdockIII> hi do you guys know about http://rng.io/
289. # [04:51] <DGMurdockIII> for testing moble browers
290. # [04:51] <DGMurdockIII> Ringmark is a web-based test suite that measures how well a mobile browser supports the capabilities that modern mobile web apps require. Ringmark is an opinionated test suite and the tests are based upon the specifications identified and prioritized by its authors as being important for modern mobile applications. The specifications are arranged into groups of features called 'rings', and...
291. # [04:51] <DGMurdockIII> ...the higher the ring, the more challenging the tests within it.
292. # [04:52] <mccr8> DGMurdockIII: There's a bug on file about it if you are curious: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748248
293. # [04:52] <DGMurdockIII> ok
294. # [04:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/863bce1674f5 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 422132 part.2 Add new tests r=smaug
295. # [04:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/12fdeb3b0aba - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 422132 part.3 Disable smooth scroll in the new test due to random orange r=smaug
296. # [04:57] <@smaug> oh, ringmark tests innerText... silly test
297. # [04:57] <@smaug> (the test has plenty of other sillyness too)
298. # [04:58] <@smaug> but I guess from marketing perspective it is just better to pass it
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303. # [05:08] <mccr8> I tried ringmark just now and came up with a test case for a plugin crash we've been seeing so that's something. ;)
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317. # [05:14] <njn> dammit, I just did it again
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322. # [05:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d948973975b7 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 782372 - Fix clang build. r=nical
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333. # [05:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/785cd1cb9446 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 782338: fix 'Emulator callback still pending when finish() called', r=philikon,marshall_law
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339. # [05:38] <@dolske> 1,003.57 MB (48.32%) ── heap-unclassified :(
340. # [05:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c66b3243591b - Matthew Gregan - Bug 783179 - Remove unused mCbCrSize and mCbCrBuffer members from nsBuiltinDecoderStateMachine. r=doublec
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346. # [05:46] <@dolske> interesting
347. # [05:46] <@dolske> my heap-unclassified just dropped by reloading my Google Reader tab.
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350. # [05:55] <@dolske> * dropped by half
351. # [05:55] <njn> dolske: what version of FF are you running?
352. # [05:56] <@dolske> nightly from within the last few days
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355. # [05:59] <njn> dolske: hmm, not sure what could explain that, other than Google Reader's general leak-tasticness
356. # [05:59] <@dolske> yeah
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359. # [06:05] <Callek> yea, GReader sucks leaky-wise
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364. # [06:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/191119f14832 - Matthew Gregan - Bug 783940 - Remove unnecessary nsOggDecoderStateMachine class. r=cpearce
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367. # [06:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d22460a96ea - Mark Finkle - Bug 783909 - Fixup app update timer prefs r=blassey
368. # [06:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d03d9f932d60 - Mark Finkle - Bug 781169 - Tweak aboutApps strings r=wesj
369. # [06:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a2535133b802 - Mark Finkle - Bug 783912 - [ARMv6] Use more conservative GC settings for ARMv6 r=blassey
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379. # [06:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2ed060f2734a - Karl Tomlinson - b=780059 combine two variables both indicating an alpha channel r=mattwoodrow
380. # [06:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aba8e8ce7c7b - Karl Tomlinson - b=780059 tidy up API for FindVisualAndDepth r=mattwoodrow
381. # [06:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8e7d6319d50 - Karl Tomlinson - b=780059 remove use of glXGetVisualFromFBConfig and glXCreateContext r=mattwoodrow
382. # [06:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/953a366b4038 - Karl Tomlinson - b=780059 accept fbconfigs with alpha bits for opaque Pixmaps if visual matches r=mattwoodrow
383. # [06:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b73563109b57 - James Willcox - Bug 783028 - Enable stagefright media plugins on Android r=mfinkle
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398. # [07:23] <Hughman> *sigh* I have a memory leak where closed popup windows leak an about:blank compartment, and it appear to be addon related
399. # [07:27] <Hughman> result = 183.34 MB (23.49%) -- compartment([System Principal], about:blank)
400. # [07:28] <@dolske> holy crap something is thrashing Nightly...
401. # [07:28] <@dolske> 1,479.56 MB (72.94%) ── heap-unclassified
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403. # [07:28] <Hughman> dolske: ...wow... nasty
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411. # [07:41] <@dolske> sigh
412. # [07:41] <@dolske> are os x gcc builds still busted? I'm failing in jstypedarray.cpp :(
413. # [07:43] <philor> yep
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417. # [07:43] <@dolske> well
418. # [07:43] <philor> espindola had a fix, jimb said thanks and washed his hands, and then....
419. # [07:43] <@dolske> no debugging of this memory leak for me!
420. # [07:44] <philor> ... everybody switched to clang
421. # [07:44] <@dolske> oh, maybe I'll try the patch in 783505
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449. # [08:38] <@dolske> philor: phew, good news. patched worked great. now it just fails in BasicImages.cpp:70: error: ‘ImageFormat’ is not a class or namespace
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451. # [08:38] <philor> heh. so if we break something and leave it broken for days, it'll get more broken?
452. # [08:39] <@dolske> shocking, I know.
453. # [08:39] <Unfocused> surprise!
454. # [08:39] <@dolske> thankfully I have a win64 box I can use instead...
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458. # [08:40] <padenot> dolske: you can try to apply this: https://bug782372.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=653243
459. # [08:41] <padenot> from bug 782372, that is likely the source of you problems
460. # [08:44] <philor> or you can apply http://clang.llvm.org/get_started.html, that'll last you past August 27th
461. # [08:44] <@dolske> heh
462. # [08:45] <@dolske> i am actually switching machines shortly, was planning on clanging up anyway ;)
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464. # [08:47] <philor> "test_bug593174.html | finished in a non-clean fashion (in /tests/dom/tests/mochitest/bugs/0.47588414776330545)"
465. # [08:47] <philor> really
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469. # [08:51] <philor> oh, cute, the test did that to itself
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519. # [09:54] <gfritzsche> morning
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546. # [10:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9b6f5ce1065a - Landry Breuil - Bug 777357: declare mjit namespace outside of #ifdef JS_METHODJIT, fixes non-mjit builds. r=bhackett
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551. # [10:12] <kaie> I'm looking for a #define that is (a) defined for Firefox desktop (b) defined for Firefox mobile (c) defined for Firefox OS B2G (d) NOT defined Thunderbird (e) NOT defined for SeaMonkey, (f) NOT defined for other XulRunner apps
552. # [10:13] <kaie> I couldn't find anything
553. # [10:13] <kaie> glandium, do you know one?
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555. # [10:13] <kaie> if not, could we introduce one?
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558. # [10:15] <kaie> if we had such a variable, then I wouldn't have to fork PSM for comm-central and generic xulrunner apps
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567. # [10:20] <NeilAway> njn: maybe alias "hg resolved" to "hg resolve -m" ?
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572. # [10:23] <glandium> kaie: define one in psm makefiles, depending on MOZ_BUILD_APP
573. # [10:24] <glandium> is it me or is the socket-transport-service useless at detecting if a connection was rejected?
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576. # [10:25] <gfritzsche> anybody else seeing errors with jstypedarray on mac?
577. # [10:26] <ewong> gfritzsche: it's known
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579. # [10:26] <gfritzsche> ewong: ok, any quick workarounds for now?
580. # [10:26] <ewong> gfritzsche: bug #783505
581. # [10:27] <gfritzsche> ewong: thanks
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583. # [10:27] <ewong> gfritzsche: np
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585. # [10:28] <NeilAway> kaie: of course that would break building Thunderbird as a XULRunner app
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587. # [10:29] <kaie> NeilAway, I intend to give TB+SM+XR the same beahviour
588. # [10:29] <kaie> but a FF using XR would not behave as expected
589. # [10:29] <NeilAway> kaie: oh, sorry, I misread you
590. # [10:30] <glandium> kaie: that would be unfortunate
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592. # [10:30] <NeilAway> but yeah, in that case that would break building Firefox as a XULRunner app ;-)
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594. # [10:31] <kaie> glandium, the only way I can think of "continue to allow xulrunner" and "use separate behaviour for {FF} and {TB,SM,XR}" is to fork PSM
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596. # [10:31] <glandium> kaie: forking it in c-c wouldn't solve anything
597. # [10:31] <glandium> it would need forking *for firefox*
598. # [10:32] <kaie> that would work for me
599. # [10:32] <glandium> actually, it doesn't need forking at all
600. # [10:32] <kaie> glandium, but it would have to be a fork that is used by all of {FF, FF mobile, B2G}
601. # [10:32] <kaie> glandium, let's hear
602. # [10:32] <glandium> when building ff as a xulrunner app, it could be built as part of the ff build as an external component
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604. # [10:33] <kaie> which requires XPCOM to be kept alive
605. # [10:33] <kaie> fine with me
606. # [10:33] <glandium> another alternative is to make the behaviour dependent on prefs, instead of ifdefs
607. # [10:33] <kaie> glandium, note that I had initially made a proposal where the application uses a tiny bit of code to define its desired behaviour.
608. # [10:33] <kaie> by implementing a contract ID
609. # [10:33] <kaie> but my proposal was rejected
610. # [10:34] <kaie> because people said "we MUST NOT have prompts in core, even if it's completely disabled"
611. # [10:34] <kaie> which is the reason for all these troubles
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613. # [10:36] <kaie> glandium, good idea regarding prefs, I like it, but the people who said "no code in networking that potentially shows a prompt" would reject your proposal, too
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615. # [10:36] <kaie> (bsmith, bz, mayhemer=honzab)
616. # [10:36] <glandium> kaie: then they would reject ifdefs, too
617. # [10:37] <kaie> glandium, then we have to fork
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619. # [10:37] <kaie> where should a psm-fork for {FF, mobile, B2G} life?
620. # [10:37] <kaie> live
621. # [10:37] <glandium> seriously, that's much worse than having prompt code in core
622. # [10:37] <kaie> I agree. I still like my original idea to have a contract ID implemented.
623. # [10:38] <kaie> but nobody has supported me yet
624. # [10:39] <glandium> it might be better to have an interface with an instance of an implementation you give like a callback
625. # [10:39] <kaie> glandium, I've ported the patch to mozilla-central. This patch https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=653038&action=edit together with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=614554&action=edit would solve all problems
626. # [10:39] <glandium> instead of a contract id
627. # [10:40] <kaie> glandium, if the implementation isn't allowed to be inside mozilla-central, then it doesn't solve my problem. each xulrunner application would be required to know that they must provide their own implementation, and it would have to be copied to each of them
628. # [10:41] <glandium> kaie: that's still better than forking psm
629. # [10:41] <glandium> in each of them
630. # [10:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/06ea22b8654c - Ginn Chen - Bug 783533 testValueABI.cpp and valueABI.c should use same prototype of C_ValueToObject() r=bhackett
631. # [10:41] <kaie> my proposal was to keep a default psm that would work for any generic xulrunner app, including TB+SM
632. # [10:41] <kaie> so only one fork for FF+mob+b2g would be required
633. # [10:42] <glandium> that still pretty much guarantees that the non FF fork psm will soon be outdated
634. # [10:42] <kaie> glandium, just like the rest of T
635. # [10:42] <kaie> TB
636. # [10:42] <glandium> for psm, it's more problematic
637. # [10:43] <kaie> glandium, the copy of the error reporting would require even XUL and JS copied to each xulrunner app, and TB+SM
638. # [10:43] <kaie> some
639. # [10:43] <kaie> and maybe strings
640. # [10:43] <kaie> yes strings
641. # [10:44] <glandium> i'd like to hear their story (bsmith, bz, mayhemer)
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643. # [10:44] <glandium> why is it they don't want prompt code in gecko?
644. # [10:44] <kaie> glandium, the story of resistance is in bug 682329.
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646. # [10:44] <Standard8> the rest of TB being old, is not an excuse for adding more stuff that can easily get out of date
647. # [10:45] <kaie> glandium, I don't buy the arguments. too me it seemed like strong resistance without willingness for compromise
648. # [10:46] <glandium> kaie: what are the relevant comments?
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650. # [10:49] <kaie> glandium, maybe 59 ...
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652. # [10:51] <glandium> kaie: well, i kind of agree with him... ui code has not much to do in core
653. # [10:52] <kaie> I can agree from a general point of view
654. # [10:52] <glandium> middle ground could be that we could have a generic ui in toolkit
655. # [10:52] <kaie> but this is "fallback", where each application can easily opt out completely
656. # [10:52] <glandium> i think this should be opt-in
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660. # [10:54] <kaie> glandium, I don't understand the benefit of moving the UI from psm to toolkit, but if that's what you prefer and will support me with your vote, I'll move it.
661. # [10:54] <kaie> second
662. # [10:55] <glazou> bonjour
663. # [10:55] <kaie> the opt-in approach won't solve the issue for xulrunner apps not knowing about it, but I'm willing to make it opt-in, if you support me with your vote to get this approach landed
664. # [10:56] <glandium> kaie: well, since there's no way they'll accept ui in psm, you have to try to find workable solutions from both sides
665. # [10:56] <kaie> ok
666. # [10:56] <glandium> s/from/for/
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670. # [10:57] <glandium> kaie: i think opt-in is better, because a) at this point, they are already broken and b) not all applications would work well with the generic ui
671. # [10:57] <kaie> glandium, then we have the problem that honza claims my code is "still to complicated" https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682329#c74 (which I cannot agree to). I don't have the energy to fight this argument.
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673. # [10:58] <kaie> they make claims like "this stuff will be replaced anyway soon with something better", but the reality is, nobody has worked to make that happen, and we need a solution for TB 17
674. # [10:58] <kaie> ESR
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678. # [10:59] <glandium> kaie: can't you just implement a nsIBadCertListener2? I don't see why you need to change so much psm code
679. # [11:00] <kaie> my attempt was to reuse the old code that got removed
680. # [11:00] <kaie> I tried to get it implemented with as little new work as possible
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682. # [11:00] <kaie> glandium, it's not just about bad certs
683. # [11:00] <kaie> the main issue is ssl protocol errors
684. # [11:00] <kaie> like, no cipher overlap, or access denied because no client cert
685. # [11:01] <kaie> or because we detected a MITM not providing the correct information during a renegotiation attack
686. # [11:02] <glandium> kaie: i can certainly understand that the PROMPT_DEFAULT/PROMPT_ALLOWED/PROMPT_SUPPRESS thing looks awful
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692. # [11:07] <odin_> does firefox has an import from another firefox profile function ? (where is might list things like, bookmarks, saved state, settings, addons, addon config data, ...) and I can tick the things I want or just use it to see differences
693. # [11:08] <kaie> glandium, so what now?
694. # [11:09] <kaie> I'm the psm module owner, other people have removed stuff that I did in the past, I rejected that removal, it got removed anyway, and any of my attempts to bring back an equivalent functionality are rejected
695. # [11:09] <kaie> my being the psm module owner appears to be irrelevant
696. # [11:09] <glandium> kaie: just implement an interface that you register like nsIBadCertListener2?
697. # [11:09] <kaie> glandium, it's not just about bad certs
698. # [11:09] <glandium> did you read?
699. # [11:10] <kaie> you want me to implement a new interface for ssl protocol error
700. # [11:10] <glandium> yes
701. # [11:10] <glandium> or use what exists
702. # [11:10] <glandium> surely, something exists, if firefox is able to show these errors
703. # [11:10] <AutomatedTester> odin_: like sync?
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706. # [11:11] <Optimizer> hey capella, you should be online on devtools also :)
707. # [11:11] <odin_> AutomatedTester, sync sounds good, how do I not "create account" so no 3rd party is involved in handling any data ?
708. # [11:11] <Optimizer> nice patch
709. # [11:12] <capella> ok - ill head over :D
710. # [11:12] <odin_> AutomatedTester, how do I sync to my own WebDAV host? so I control data? have not used the feature due to these issues
711. # [11:13] <AutomatedTester> odin_: change services.sync.clusterURL to your host in config
712. # [11:13] <kaie> glandium, I could do that. but I don't have time to start a new implementation from scratch, each time firefox developers remove functionality from psm, just to keep thunderbird and other xulrunner apps alive. if I'm the only one caring, and no simple compromises are possible to mimize my work, I'm frustrated
713. # [11:13] <AutomatedTester> odin_: I havent done it myself though so dont know what it sends
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715. # [11:14] <AutomatedTester> odin_: but I believe we encrypt before we post it
716. # [11:14] <kaie> I'm overworked already, there are tons of security enhancements waiting for my attention, and what I have to do is to fix regressions that other people have caused deliberately
717. # [11:14] <kaie> that ain't right
718. # [11:14] <odin_> AutomatedTester, well this is the issue, I'd use it if it was mainstream and the option was in the normal dialogs, it would also need a WebDAV tested that tests the server correctly supports everything needed
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720. # [11:17] <kaie> either we can find a simple solution based on the patches I have provided, or someone else steps in to help, or we fork psm
721. # [11:17] <kaie> that's all that I'm able to offer
722. # [11:18] <AutomatedTester> odin_: raise a bug
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725. # [11:19] <glandium> kaie: 1) is apparently not accepted by several people, 2) good luck with that 3) that's crazy talk. anyways, i don't have time to discuss this, i was just giving ideas that i think are more likely to be accepted than any of the proposals you had so far
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727. # [11:20] <kaie> thanks for your attention. ok, then let's just give up
728. # [11:20] <kaie> let me go back and focus on nss and let other people worry that end users will no longer have error feedback
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730. # [11:21] <kaie> I will conclude my work with a patch that implements error console logging
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795. # [12:20] <gerv> Sure.
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840. # [13:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86b2cd5958f3 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 779715. Part 4: Play all tracks of a media stream with multiple tracks. r=jesup
841. # [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5a87f1d1807d - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 779715. Part 6: Rework capturing MediaStreams from media elements to use TrackUnionStreams. r=cpearce,jesup
842. # [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6fd7f4798c9 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 779715. Part 3: Add an API to get notifications of changes to the main-thread-visible state of a MediaStream. r=jesup
843. # [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/74e761adfc42 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 779715. Part 1: Add basic support for ProcessedMediaStreams. r=jesup
844. # [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/965f5e18ee05 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 779715. Part 2: Create TrackUnionStream. r=jesup
845. # [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7ef22534a6cd - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 779715. Part 5: Rename identifiers related to media element 'src' MediaStreams to be more specifically about 'src'. r=cpearce
846. # [13:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f33b216d95eb - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 779715. Part 7: Update test_streams_element_capture_reset.html to test new functionality. r=cpearce
847. # [13:39] <glandium> it is interesting to note that nsSocketTransport happily lets you write() to the outputstream when the socket connection failed, without returning any error. The error only happens when you read()
848. # [13:40] <glandium> (well, in all fairness, i'm using the async streams, maybe it's specific to them)
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861. # [13:48] <glandium> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1766928 please tell me i'm doing something wrong
862. # [13:50] <janv> it returns number of bytes written
863. # [13:50] <janv> no ?
864. # [13:51] <glandium> janv: except the connection failed
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866. # [13:51] <glandium> janv: there's nothing listening on localhost:4242
867. # [13:52] <glandium> i only get an exception if i try reading
868. # [13:52] <janv> ah
869. # [13:53] <glandium> actually, just transport.openInputStream(0, 0, 0).available() throws a NS_ERROR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
870. # [13:53] <glandium> i'm tempted to open a bug
871. # [13:53] <glandium> ... after lunch
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873. # [13:54] <janv> ok
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880. # [14:02] <merike> huh, how can it be that my mozilla-central checkout doesn't have mozilla/security/dbm?
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882. # [14:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/80de6c5ae79f - Paolo Amadini - Bug 763311 - Implement basic "Task.js" interfaces in Toolkit. r=Mossop
883. # [14:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d24355724d6e - Paolo Amadini - Bug 756542 - Implement make files to include Add-on SDK modules in builds. r=gavin
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904. # [14:29] <atuljangra> which tool is used in fixing memory leaks in comm-central?
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913. # [14:37] <edmorley> roc: assertions on linux on your inbound push
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916. # [14:38] <@roc> sigh
917. # [14:38] <@roc> I *just did* a tryserver push: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=36bdaab7cfea
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924. # [14:51] <jfkthame> fwiw, note that the assertions are different in each case - it's not consistent
925. # [14:52] <edmorley> yeah but they are still all new
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927. # [14:52] <edmorley> please may someone back out (partition with my repos is offline still until this stupid scan completes)
928. # [14:53] * edmorley really hopes his new crucial m4 ssd isn't failing :-(
929. # [14:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ddb0be9a1f2f - Axel Hecht - no bug, add Acholi to beta locales, ra=drivers, DONTBUILD
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931. # [14:53] * jfkthame really wishes he could build mozilla-central :(
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933. # [14:55] <jfkthame> "js/src/jsinterp.cpp:3694:9: error: indirect goto might cross protected scopes" ...
934. # [14:55] <jfkthame> sound familar to anyone?
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937. # [14:55] <@roc> I backed out what I think are the offending changesets
938. # [14:56] <edmorley> roc: thank ypou
939. # [14:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1df4d69620f9 - Robert O'Callahan - Backing out parts 6 and 7 of bug 779715 (5a87f1d1807d, 5a87f1d1807d) due to crashtest orange.
940. # [14:56] <@roc> it's actually one new assertion that just appears in a random test depending on when GC runs
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948. # [15:02] <Pike> I wish it wasn't too hot to think
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960. # [15:14] <glandium> Pike: it got better here, today
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964. # [15:15] <Pike> it's getting worse here still, 34 to come. waiting if the promised rain will do any good
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967. # [15:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fedc45481456 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 782348 - Fetch byline info from articles to show on Reader (r=bnicholson)
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983. # [15:30] <@roc> my Linux build is broken; make in xpcom/idl-parser doesn't seem to work
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985. # [15:31] <@roc> ah, I'm burned by bug 729752
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995. # [15:37] <Bas> Linux Torvalds is such a moron, haha.
996. # [15:37] <Bas> *Linus, no punintended :p
997. # [15:39] <Bas> Ugh, wrong window, but still valid :)
998. # [15:41] <Cwiiis> Can anyone tell me how to update a mercurial repo to match what it's pulling from and discard any local branches/changes? (like git rebase, I guess)
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1000. # [15:41] <Bas> cwiiis: It's very, very hard.
1001. # [15:41] <Bas> It's so hard, I generally just kill my repo and re-clone.
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1006. # [15:42] <Bas> Cwiiis: There's a mercurial rebase extension, but I'm not sure what exactly you want to do, it could help.
1007. # [15:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e470be600db2 - Rail Aliiev - Bug 783551 - Get tooltool running on the b2g on OS X builds. r=respindola
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1009. # [15:43] <glandium> Cwiiis: hg prune -r 'outgoing()' or something like that
1010. # [15:43] <Bas> (i.e. if you completely want to throw away any local changes, I'm not 100% sure hg rebase can do that, I've never tried)
1011. # [15:44] <Bas> glandium: Really, that works?
1012. # [15:44] <NeilAway> so, how do I found where the sound on http://cheezburger.com/5140968960 is coming from?
1013. # [15:44] <Bas> I thought that left some leftover mess in your repo, but if it doesn't that's extremely useful to know.
1014. # [15:44] <glandium> it's not prune
1015. # [15:45] <Cwiiis> glandium, strip?
1016. # [15:45] <glandium> hg strip "outgoing()"
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1018. # [15:46] <glandium> Bas: what did linus do?
1019. # [15:46] <glandium> or say
1020. # [15:46] <Cwiiis> glandium, that did something, but it's still refusing to update :(
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1022. # [15:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f36ab372817e - David Zbarsky - Bug 776401 Part 1: Avoid copying animation segments when creating animations r=roc
1023. # [15:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf32bd170798 - David Zbarsky - Bug 776401 Part 2: Add animation to the layer and then add segments directly to it r=roc
1024. # [15:46] <glandium> Cwiiis: what are you doing and what does it say?
1025. # [15:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e4714af49469 - David Zbarsky - Bug 783835 - Compositor needs to know the css property being animated r=roc
1026. # [15:46] <Bas> glandium: Oh, I was just reading his 5 year old flame about C++ that was linked by that wonderful language post on dev-platform (the one that said 'convert Mozilla to Lisp! Look at this post from 2007 and this one from 2001!) :)
1027. # [15:47] <glandium> ah
1028. # [15:47] <edmorley> Cwiiis: alias cleanclone='hg strip --no-backup "roots(outgoing())"'
1029. # [15:47] <Bas> Not that I'll claim C++ is such a wonderful language :) It's just that his arguments are silly.
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1031. # [15:47] <Cwiiis> glandium, I just want to update my checkout of aurora - I've not got any local changes, but it refuses saying that it crosses branches
1032. # [15:47] <Cwiiis> edmorley, thanks, will try that :)
1033. # [15:47] <glandium> Cwiiis: hg update -C -r tip
1034. # [15:48] <Bas> glandium: His reasoning goes something like this: 'C++ allows you to do terrible things, ergo not using C++ keeps programmers who do terrible things away' and some similar twists of logic :)
1035. # [15:48] <glandium> damn, we can't skip safe mode anymore after "crashes" :( (in my case, it was me ctrl+c'ing)
1036. # [15:48] <edmorley> Cwiiis: ah crossing branches just means that it wants you to specify which branch since there is ambiguity, it doesn't mean you have local committed changes
1037. # [15:48] <edmorley> Cwiiis: glandium's solution is the correct one
1038. # [15:48] <Cwiiis> edmorley, ah, ok, thanks
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1041. # [15:48] <Cwiiis> I can't believe people still say Mercurial is easier than Git :p
1042. # [15:48] <daleharvey> anyone seen this error building spidermonkey? http://pastie.org/4556363
1043. # [15:48] <daleharvey> doing a b2g desktop build
1044. # [15:49] <bhearsum> you probably need to use clang
1045. # [15:49] <bhearsum> espindola: ^
1046. # [15:49] <Bas> edmorley: It usually just means we've branched for the global repo somewhere, right?
1047. # [15:49] <edmorley> Cwiiis: if the current working directory is on a different branch to the repo tip, the if you say 'hg update' it doesn't know if you mean 'hg update -r tip' or 'hg update -r<tip of branch you are on at the moment>'
1048. # [15:49] <edmorley> Bas: yeah beta/aurora release etc
1049. # [15:49] <NeilAway> ah, found it
1050. # [15:49] * Unfocused thought that crosses-branches message also included instructions on what to do
1051. # [15:50] <Bas> Cwiiis: To be fair, I'm not arguing either git or mercurial, but the current problem you were facing is a matter of not knowing a certain system, not any one system being easier.
1052. # [15:50] <daleharvey> weird, this has been working a while, only failed today, my firefox build has been clang the whole time but not the b2g desktop, trying now, thanks
1053. # [15:50] <edmorley> glandium,Cwiiis in fact, 'hg update -r default' is safer than -r tip (since tip might be a branch that has just been added for the latest beta/aurora release)
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1055. # [15:51] <Cwiiis> Bas, that's not quite true - the error message it gave me wasn't clear or obvious at all
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1057. # [15:51] <Cwiiis> Bas, and I often find that Mercurial error messages are especially cryptic
1058. # [15:52] <glandium> daleharvey: 783505
1059. # [15:52] <glandium> it's at least the third time in two days that someone asks... maybe it should be in the topic
1060. # [15:53] <glandium> Bas: branch management in mercurial is seriously f*cked up
1061. # [15:53] <Cwiiis> edmorley, can you put aliases in your hgrc btw? That cleanclone might come in handy sometime and I feel I'll forget it if I put it in my bash profile...
1062. # [15:55] <Bas> glandium: Sure, I'm not saying branch management is necessarily any good in mercurial :) Just saying this particular situation was not particularly hard :)
1063. # [15:55] <edmorley> Cwiiis: yup :-) http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/hgrc.5.html#alias
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1065. # [15:55] <Bas> Cwiiiis: To be honest, I find both Mercurial and Git error messages fairly cryptic at times :)
1066. # [15:55] <Cwiiis> Bas, True enough :)
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1068. # [15:56] <Bas> But I've noticed a general preference for Git, which kind of seems anecdotal evidence that git is at least for the average person easier than Mercurial, supporting your point :)
1069. # [15:56] <daleharvey> ok that makes sense, clang build looks to be going well
1070. # [15:56] <edmorley> Cwiiis: I use cleanclone so I don't have to keep on looking back at http://jlebar.com/2011/5/20/Faster_and_smaller_clones_of_branches.html when making another m-c clone type tree
1071. # [15:57] <Cwiiis> edmorley, I always just look at that page, but that's handy :)
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1074. # [15:57] * daleharvey has to checkout a new branch of m-c every other time I push to try because I dont know wth I am doing with hg and always break my tree
1075. # [15:58] <edmorley> daleharvey: phases, right?
1076. # [15:58] <edmorley> daleharvey: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryServer#Disable_hg_phases_with_a_post-push_hook
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1079. # [15:58] <mfinkle> daleharvey, i do the same thing with git...
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1081. # [15:59] <jorendorff> It's true that hg error messages often make no sense
1082. # [15:59] <edmorley> daleharvey: it's because the version of hg on the server is too old to have the necessary config in place, so if someone uses hg v2+ locally, they get immutable revisionism in their repo (the wiki page says how to revert)
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1084. # [15:59] <jorendorff> however in git, neither the error messages nor the commands make any sense
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1086. # [15:59] <daleharvey> that may help, thanks
1087. # [15:59] <Cwiiis> jorendorff, I disagree with that :p
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1089. # [15:59] <edmorley> s/revisionism/revisions/ (serves me right for relying on spellchecks suggestion without looking properly)
1090. # [15:59] <edmorley> jorendorff++
1091. # [16:01] <Cwiiis> pffh... git makes as much sense as hg, at the very least, but has the advantage of being much faster and more widely used...
1092. # [16:01] <mfinkle> Cwiiis, i'm sure the commands make sense after you learn them all
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1094. # [16:02] <Cwiiis> mfinkle, the same with any vcs imo - none of them are intuitive
1095. # [16:02] <mfinkle> agreed
1096. # [16:03] <glandium> on the other hand, after 2 years of using mercurial, I still get in annoying situations. Never happened with git
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1101. # [16:06] <Cwiiis> glandium, well, I'm not going to say I didn't get into annoying situations with git, but I definitely knew how to do things like "discard changes and rebase onto tip" within the first week or two :p
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1114. # [16:18] <Cwiiis> glandium, any ideas about bug 782394 btw?
1115. # [16:19] <glandium> Cwiiis: nope
1116. # [16:19] <Optimizer> why are for of loops being used in addons manager ?
1117. # [16:20] <Optimizer> Any perf gain, or code cleanup ?
1118. # [16:20] <Cwiiis> glandium, ah :/ Any ideas who the person to ask for that is?
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1121. # [16:20] <glandium> Cwiiis: i don't think anyone would have an idea, besides maybe someone who had the same problem
1122. # [16:20] <glandium> Cwiiis: did you check you are really using gold?
1123. # [16:20] <@smaug> looks like it will be a reviewing day
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1125. # [16:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2c4a0edcf906 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 565245 Use waitForFocus() for getting the timing to start tests r=smaug
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1129. # [16:22] <Cwiiis> glandium, my ld binary has been moved out of the way, so not sure how I couldn't be (i.e. yes, but not exhaustively) - Linking didn't take even anywhere near this long using ld before either though
1130. # [16:23] <Cwiiis> glandium, snorp experiences it too - I can't imagine all of mobile doesn't, but most everyone else changes the Java/js which doesn't require relinking
1131. # [16:23] <espindola> daleharvey, yes, gcc builds are broken at the moment
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1133. # [16:23] <espindola> daleharvey, bug 783505
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1136. # [16:25] <daleharvey> espindola: got it, cheers
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1153. # [16:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d76ec905c11 - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 783505 - OS X gcc builds failing. r=jorendorff.
1154. # [16:40] <espindola> edmorley, birch updates are automatic, right?
1155. # [16:40] <edmorley> espindola: yeah, 6pm and 6am UTC+1
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1157. # [16:41] <glandium> edmorley: from m-c, i guess
1158. # [16:41] <edmorley> yeah
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1160. # [16:41] <edmorley> same for profiling branch (for testing with profiling off, helpfully)
1161. # [16:42] <espindola> ok, so I guess we should have a verification for the gcc builds tomorrow at noon (east coast time)
1162. # [16:42] <espindola> thanks
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1164. # [16:42] <edmorley> espindola: since it is ifdeffed, maybe just land it on m-c now and it'll get the 6pm pull?
1165. # [16:43] <espindola> edmorley, yes, I should probably do it.
1166. # [16:43] <espindola> thanks
1167. # [16:43] <Optimizer> Unfocused: the for of loops in addons manager are perf improvements, or code cleanup ?
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1170. # [16:43] <espindola> is there some "best practices" for langing on m-i and m-c?
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1172. # [16:44] <derf> I think the "best practice" is to land on m-i and wait for a merge to m-c.
1173. # [16:44] <edmorley> espindola: just land on m-c for this one, and I'll merge it to inbound as and when the disk scan for my repo partition stops finding corrupted files (\o/)
1174. # [16:45] <espindola> !
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1181. # [16:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3a0f4470276f - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 783505 - OS X gcc builds failing. r=jorendorff.
1182. # [16:47] <edmorley> espindola: may be a bit, since i'm going to just trash them all and re clone from hg.m.o, since it's not worth risking it
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1184. # [16:47] <espindola> edmorley, I agree. Thanks!
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1188. # [16:51] <Standard8> bbondy: is there a doc on the interaction between the maintenance service & the application? I'm trying to work out at which point the maintenance service takes over
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1192. # [16:53] <bbondy> Standard8: There's a wiki here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Windows_Service_Silent_Update it will probaby give you some good background information. I can answer specific questions on top of that though. In particular firefox.exe always opens updater.exe on updates, and then inside updater.cpp we determine if the service should be used. firefox.exe will pick if it wants to use the service by writing pending-service in the update.status fi
1193. # [16:53] <bbondy> le. And then in updater.cpp we do several checks to see if it should be used, or silently fallback to updating with uac.
1194. # [16:54] <bbondy> Standard8: so search for useService and usingService in updater.cpp
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1196. # [16:55] <Standard8> bbondy: so what stops updater.exe asking for privileges?
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1200. # [16:56] <bbondy> Standard8: we do a check to see if we have write access into the directory to update, if we already do we don't use the service. If we don't then we will use the service if it is installed and under some other conditions.
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1202. # [16:57] <bbondy> Standard8: So how updater has always works is that it is launched unelevated, then it determines if it should relaunch itself updated.
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1204. # [16:57] <bbondy> Standard8: So now how it works, it still is launched unelevated, and then it determines if it needs to be elevated, and if so then it will check if it can use the service, and if it can't then it will relaunch itself with uac
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1209. # [16:58] <bbondy> "then it determines if it should relaunch itself updated." should read: "then it determines if it should relaunch itself elevated."
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1220. # [17:06] <Standard8> bbondy: ok, I've a feeling I disabled something in the installer that stops this working fully :(
1221. # [17:07] <Standard8> I guess I need to do another try build
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1224. # [17:07] <bbondy> if you install to a location you have write access to already, then we won't even try to elevate
1225. # [17:08] <bbondy> which part specifically do you think you disabled?
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1227. # [17:08] <Standard8> https://hg.mozilla.org/try-comm-central/rev/12df2ef84182#l3.12
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1229. # [17:08] <Standard8> so basically the installing of it
1230. # [17:08] <Standard8> though I did have the FF version installed
1231. # [17:09] <Standard8> I'm wondering if it didn't install the keys or something
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1233. # [17:10] <bbondy> so the app.update.service.enabled, if false will write out just 'pending' to the update.status file instead of 'pending-service'. And if that's the case then updater.exe will not attempt to use the service at all
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1237. # [17:11] <Optimizer> When I right click on a feedmark folder, the "Reload live Bookmarks" entry is automatically selected by default, and not the first entry of the context menu. Is it intended ?
1238. # [17:11] <bbondy> Standard8: Also your installer needs to do this: http://dxr.mozilla.org/search.cgi?tree=mozilla-central&request_time=1345474903905&string=AddMaintCertKeys
1239. # [17:12] <bbondy> otherwise even if pending-service is in the update.status file, the service won't be used
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1241. # [17:12] <Standard8> bbondy: yeah, we've got those I think
1242. # [17:12] <bbondy> k
1243. # [17:13] <bbondy> so if you want you can post a WIP and describe the problem and CC me int he bug and I can look it over
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1267. # [17:23] <Standard8> bbondy: I'm pretty sure the maintenance service keys aren't being installed, so I think I disabled the installer a bit too much in this build - now getting a new try server build going
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1270. # [17:24] <bbondy> Standard8: So if you open regedit and navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Mozilla\MaintenanceService\
1271. # [17:24] <bbondy> you can remove all subfolders (or rename them out of the way)
1272. # [17:24] <bbondy> and then run your installer
1273. # [17:24] <bbondy> if a new subfolder isn't added then you aren't installing the per product keys correctly
1274. # [17:24] <bbondy> note it uses that reg location even if you are using wow64
1275. # [17:25] <Standard8> yeah, I checked it before install,and it didn't seem to add it
1276. # [17:25] <bbondy> k
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1278. # [17:25] <Standard8> but thanks for the suggestion
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1281. # [17:27] <bbondy> np
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1296. # [17:38] <Fallen> ted: ping
1297. # [17:38] <Pike> hrm, bugzilla tweaks is busted on nightly? no more self.on(...) ?
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1299. # [17:38] <@ted> Fallen: pong
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1305. # [17:42] <gcp> Pike: ha, and so is RES
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1307. # [17:42] <gcp> Pike: is this a bug or intended breakage?
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1311. # [17:44] <@ted> could be fallout from the wrapper change
1312. # [17:44] <Pike> gcp: no idea, I'm trying BugzillaJS now, and I get a console full of jetpack errors, too
1313. # [17:44] <gcp> let's file anyway
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1315. # [17:45] <gcp> it looks like there's at least significant add-on fallout
1316. # [17:45] <@ted> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=553102
1317. # [17:45] <@ted> is what i meant
1318. # [17:46] <froydnj> !seen bsmith
1319. # [17:46] <firebot> bsmith was last seen 10 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying 'OK, then let's try in 10+ days' in #security.
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1323. # [17:47] <gcp> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783925
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1328. # [17:47] <jdm> we like to pretend that addon developers notice the warnings we display
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1330. # [17:48] <Bas> Ugh, someone broke our Windows 8 build it seems.
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1332. # [17:49] <gcp> bugzilla tweaks was written by a mozillian, wasn't it?
1333. # [17:49] <KaiRo> bjacob: do we have non-Mesa-based WebGL running anywhere on Linux? I somewhat wonder if we want to uplift bug 774134 to beta given that we may want to rumble about BananaBread when 15 comes out
1334. # [17:49] <Bas> Oh no, maybe it's just joe :)
1335. # [17:49] <jdm> gcp: originally it was ehsan, I think. Now it's the A-Team
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1340. # [17:51] <bjacob> KaiRo: we do: NVIDIA and FGLRX
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1342. # [17:52] <bjacob> KaiRo: i dont think that 774134 is urgent enough for that. risk is real as it's exposing more little-used parts of mesa
1343. # [17:52] <KaiRo> bjacob: ah, so the old, non-modeset binary drivers are not going through Mesa and modeset-based ones go through Mesa?
1344. # [17:52] <bjacob> KaiRo: and it's not like we havent run into serious mesa badness recently (let me know if you want to be cc'd)
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1346. # [17:52] <Pike> jdm: is this something that would call for a jetpack auto-repack? as it seems to be more in the realm of the packaged sdk that has issues than the actual jetpack code?
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1348. # [17:53] <KaiRo> bjacob: I at least don't remember Linux-specific gfx crashes recently
1349. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> jdm, isn't it more like "nobody" now?
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1351. # [17:54] <bjacob> KaiRo: you're cc'd
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1357. # [17:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a0f4470276f - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 783505 - OS X gcc builds failing. r=jorendorff.
1358. # [17:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dad400d69b0e - Ed Morley - Merge last PGO-green changeset of mozilla-inbound to mozilla-central
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1360. # [17:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b00ca24001f6 - Ed Morley - Merge mozilla-central to mozilla-inbound
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1365. # [17:58] <marco> bjacob: can you CC me on those bugs?
1366. # [17:58] <glandium> marco: hey, you were pinging me over the week-end, weren't you?
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1368. # [17:59] <KaiRo> bjacob: thanks - I think I even glanced at that one before
1369. # [17:59] <marco> glandium: yes, about libnotify, but I've resolved
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1371. # [17:59] <glandium> ok
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1391. # [18:05] <Ms2ger> Clearly we should have a #gitorhg channel, so these silly arguments stay out of my way…
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1398. # [18:07] <bjacob> marco: cc'd you too
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1405. # [18:09] <edmorley> Ms2ger: you're just jealous you missed out on the opportunity to ++ some of the hg advocates whilst the gitites were around :P
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1407. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> edmorley--
1408. # [18:09] <Ms2ger> ;)
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1411. # [18:10] <@khuey> are the gitites related to the hittites?
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1415. # [18:12] <sheppy> khuey: yeah; they're hittites that have learned to merge safely instead of hacking through the local population.
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1424. # [18:16] <Bas> bbondy: Yeah, I was only pretending, should've actually put it there :)
1425. # [18:16] <bbondy> hah:)
1426. # [18:16] <glazou> first mention of hittites in #developers ever, IMHO
1427. # [18:17] <Bas> We should organize a big tournament, between the hittites and the gitites.
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1429. # [18:18] <glandium> are there hittite mozillians?
1430. # [18:18] <glazou> call the latter the hurrians ?
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1433. # [18:19] <Bas> glandium: I have a very mild preference for mercurial. But it's mainly just because I like simple :p I'd be fine working in SVN :-)
1434. # [18:19] <Bas> I'm fine with git too.
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1437. # [18:20] <Bas> I can certainly believe git is easier for release managers and such, but I'm just a code monkey.
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1441. # [18:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5b057a27cd0e - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
1442. # [18:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/67c042561a37 - Marcos S. - Bug 758950 - Part 1: Use more for...of loops in Add-ons Manager frontend and backend code. r=Unfocused
1443. # [18:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/257a59b45897 - Bellindira Castillo [:bellindira] - Bug 752841 - [New Tab Page] Make the number of tabs adjustable; r=ttaubert
1444. # [18:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/78ad8bb8b030 - Mark Capella - Bug 783404 - Remove superfluous check that nsIDirectoryEnumerator returns a nsIFile, r=unfocused
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1476. # [18:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1baaa5534998 - Luke Wagner - Bug 783540 - add missing STRINGVECTOR case in AutoGCRooter::trace (r=bhackett)
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1479. # [18:29] <bbondy> Bas: Do you think you'll have time to look into win8 metro zooming
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1484. # [18:32] <Ms2ger> "(And yes, faster Bugzilla would be nice, as well as some other improvements - but that should be another thread, or multiple ones.)"
1485. # [18:32] <Ms2ger> s/thread/patch/, please
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1494. # [18:35] <Bas> bbondy: I don't have a good device to do it, -yet-. Not soon, I don't think,
1495. # [18:35] <Bas> bbondy: But we'll need OMTC first anyway, and that -is- actively being worked on.
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1500. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> espindola, huh, does https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3a0f4470276f really work?
1501. # [18:36] <Bas> bbondy: I'm running Win8 on my main workstation now.
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1503. # [18:36] <Bas> Much better than I expected.
1504. # [18:37] <Bas> Multi-monitor support is much improved.
1505. # [18:37] <Ms2ger> espindola, oh, I see, nvm
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1508. # [18:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/75ed4a4cc102 - Hubert Figuière - Bug 781090 - Preserve minimum a11y support when we don't have Voice Over. r=dbolter
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1511. # [18:39] <hub> I have requested approval for a patch. Do I need to set [leave open] ?
1512. # [18:39] <bbondy> Bas: why is OMTC needed?
1513. # [18:40] <bbondy> or why is metro firefox special in regards to OMTC
1514. # [18:40] <Bas> bbondy: Because you want smooth pinch-zoom.
1515. # [18:40] <Pike> and dietrich's wallflower seems to be busted on nightly, too
1516. # [18:40] <Bas> Simply don't have the juice available to do that on the main thread while re-rasterizing.
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1518. # [18:41] <BenWa> Yes, that's one of the big benefit to OMTC
1519. # [18:41] <bbondy> k
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1521. # [18:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2b703fb6aace - Justin Lebar - Bug 783644 - Part 1: Flip a pref so B2G ignores dialog=1 in window.open, like we do on other mobile platforms. r=smaug
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1523. # [18:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5848ee9dde72 - Justin Lebar - Bug 783644 - Part 3: Test that dialog=1 in window.open called from <iframe mozbrowser> is ignored. r=smaug
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1525. # [18:42] <Bas> bbondy: I mean, IE10 is really buttery smooth. That's the experience we -have- to offer to offer a competitive UXP. We need OMTC for that.
1526. # [18:42] <bbondy> Bas: so there's a little bar that comes up when you right click with buttons on it. 2 of those buttons are zoom in and zoom out. We could implement some kind of support for those without OMTC without too much work right?
1527. # [18:43] <BenWa> bbondy: It's about a quarter worth of work to ship OMTC on win8, but I'd have to scope it better to know for sure
1528. # [18:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b9871536be8 - David Zbarsky - Bug 783840 - Fix build warnings in js r=luke
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1532. # [18:44] <bbondy> k
1533. # [18:44] <Bas> bbondy: Presumably, I'm not sure, I don't know much about those things.
1534. # [18:45] <bbondy> I'm kind of thinking crappy zoom support is better than no zoom support
1535. # [18:45] <Bas> BenWa: I think Nick is making decent progress. But I think it might very well be a quarter away, yes.
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1537. # [18:46] <BenWa> bas: Right, the base implementation is only a few short week of work, but supporting plugins and webgl efficiently and a few more corner cases are the real questions
1538. # [18:46] <Bas> BenWa: We don't really need to care about WebGL too much initially on Windows 8 metro. A slow (readback) implementation would be good enough for now.
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1541. # [18:47] <gps> espindola: https://github.com/indygreg/mozilla-central/commit/36d899c53c7efe850589f969b1df16e061d5c550
1542. # [18:47] <BenWa> bas: I don't know win8 metro well. Will it run a separate configuration then windows 8 desktop?
1543. # [18:48] <BenWa> err firefox win8 metro that is
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1545. # [18:48] <Ms2ger> hub, we tend to close the bug as soon as it has landed on trunk
1546. # [18:48] <Bas> BenWa: Generally, yeah, so if push comes to shove we could enable OMTC only on Win8 Metro and have most of the important stuff.
1547. # [18:48] <BenWa> Ohh neat
1548. # [18:48] <BenWa> Then yea, a quarter is likely very doable
1549. # [18:48] <Bas> But I wouldn't really be in favor of that. Anyway, let's see.
1550. # [18:49] <Ms2ger> dzbarsky, the Zbarsky's are back, then? :)
1551. # [18:49] <Bas> People have been very vague to me about what the priority of Win8 metro is to me though.
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1553. # [18:49] <@khuey> bz is still on vacation
1554. # [18:49] <Bas> All I've heard is 'we want' which doesn't really put it into perspective well priority wise.
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1564. # [18:54] <hub> Ms2ger: ok, so I'll leave it at that then. thanks
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1566. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> hub, np
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1572. # [18:56] <bbondy> wow only 4 hours and all try results in :D
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1583. # [19:01] <bhearsum> bbondy: EST++
1584. # [19:02] <bhearsum> hmmm
1585. # [19:02] <bhearsum> we could fix our test wait times if we distributed our developers more evenly throughout the world
1586. # [19:02] <beltzner> :)
1587. # [19:02] <bbondy> hah
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1589. # [19:02] <bhearsum> who wants to move to europe, africa, or asia?
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1592. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> bhearsum, we don't want you 'murricans here
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1594. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> Canadians are fine
1595. # [19:03] <bhearsum> hey, i'm canadian!
1596. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> That's what they all say...
1597. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> Do you ride a moose to work?
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1599. # [19:04] <bhearsum> =(
1600. # [19:04] <bhearsum> i ride a green train
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1602. # [19:04] <bhearsum> the moose live further north
1603. # [19:04] <beltzner> Ms2ger: you ride a chipmunk to work and I ride a _talking_ moose
1604. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> beltzner, nice
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1607. # [19:07] <edmorley> talking moose... reminds me of that fawlty towers episode lol
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1615. # [19:10] <NeilAway> bbondy: surely silently falling back to uac is an oxymoron ;-)
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1618. # [19:10] <bbondy> lol
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1639. # [19:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/359d21e0b88a - Lucas Rocha - Bug 784055 - Remove all code dealing with offsetWidth in Readability.js (r=bnicholson)
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1645. # [19:22] <Mook> KaiRo: fwiw, you can edit files from the github web ui now - https://github.com/mattprintz/Shepster/pull/1 was done entirely in the browser (and you can see where I screwed up the commit message due to unfamiliar UI).
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1653. # [19:32] <jdm> khuey: the popcorn people use lighthouse, and webdev asked me to integrate bugsahoy with a pivotal tracker instance as well
1654. # [19:33] <@smaug> huh
1655. # [19:33] <@smaug> (more projects to ignore)
1656. # [19:33] <Ms2ger> Silly people
1657. # [19:33] <nigelb> lol
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1662. # [19:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb6adf1cdfe4 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 782421 - Use parsed result for reader articles. r=lucasr
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1667. # [19:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/84790ce30096 - Bobby Holley - Bug 784071 - Add __exposedProps__ warning back into dom.properties. r=mccr8
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1669. # [19:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0255e9c7f468 - Wes Johnston - Bug 776600 - Support apps setting their default orientation. r=blassey
1670. # [19:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04472ce8d6cd - Wes Johnston - Bug 781900 - Update Clear Site Preferences string. r=mfinkle
1671. # [19:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/31f1b05f1bd5 - Wes Johnston - Bug 781900 - Move site preferences dialog to urlbar context menu. r=mfinkle
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1673. # [19:40] <KaiRo> Mook: someone mentioned that on the list, thanks
1674. # [19:40] <Mook> ah, must not have propagated to nntp yet (or I just missed it) :)
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1677. # [19:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1b1c3270c679 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 783373 - Change mobile-specific Google search URL to standard Google search URL. r=mfinkle a=lsblakk
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1690. # [19:48] * @bsmedberg really wants to do an A/B test on a pref setting, hrm
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1701. # [19:56] <Cwiiis> has anyone got a patch that redirects stdout to logcat via function overrides? I realise there's a property for redirecting, but it's stopped working for me for no apparent reason :|
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1713. # [20:06] <@smaug> ted: few minor things, so r-
1714. # [20:06] <@smaug> I'd like to see a new patch
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1716. # [20:07] <@ted> okay
1717. # [20:07] <@ted> hopefully i'll find time to get one up
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1729. # [20:12] <@khuey> AryehGregor: ping?
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1732. # [20:14] <Standard8> bbondy: ok, service is installed, and I'm not getting this error, but I'm not sure where the error number comes from: AUS:SVC readStatusFile - status: failed: 26, path: C:\Users\mark\AppData\Local\Thunderbird\Daily\updates\0\update.status
1733. # [20:16] <bbondy> toolkit/mozapps/update/common/errors.h
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1736. # [20:16] <bbondy> looks like it's trying to use the service but updater.exe is not signed
1737. # [20:17] <Standard8> hrm
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1739. # [20:17] <Standard8> Mozilla Fake SPC
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1741. # [20:18] <bbondy> ya so you have 2 choices: 1) import whatever signs that as a root authority on your local computer
1742. # [20:18] <bbondy> or 2) use a branch that is lvl3 that signs updater.exe with a valid authenticode cert issued by a trusted authority
1743. # [20:19] <Standard8> aha, found the logs at last
1744. # [20:19] <Standard8> Could not start process due to certificate check error on updater.exe. Updating update.status.
1745. # [20:19] <bhearsum> i can give you the root cert to import, if you want
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1747. # [20:19] <Standard8> hrm, so don't tell me, try builds don't get signed?
1748. # [20:19] <bhearsum> i think you need registry entries too though
1749. # [20:20] <bhearsum> they do
1750. # [20:20] <bhearsum> but they get signed by a self-signed cert
1751. # [20:20] <bhearsum> well, a cert from a root we own
1752. # [20:20] <bhearsum> which isn't in Windows' root store
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1754. # [20:20] <Standard8> lemme check the Daily builds
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1756. # [20:22] <Standard8> ah yes, that's signed
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1758. # [20:22] <Standard8> bhearsum: can I have the root cert please?
1759. # [20:23] <bhearsum> Standard8: sure
1760. # [20:23] <bhearsum> you'll need the second part of this, too: https://bug704578.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=577617
1761. # [20:23] <bhearsum> and the root is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=577619
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1770. # [20:28] <Standard8> bhearsum: any ideas about "There was an error validating trust of the certificate for file " ?
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1772. # [20:30] <Standard8> oh wait
1773. # [20:30] <bbondy> whatever issued the cert is not in your root trusted authority
1774. # [20:30] <bbondy> (for the system account)
1775. # [20:30] <Standard8> I think I added it to the wrong store
1776. # [20:30] <bhearsum> yeah, hang on
1777. # [20:30] <bhearsum> are you on xp or w7?
1778. # [20:30] <espindola> gps, you are trying to create a refactoring tool?
1779. # [20:31] <gps> espindola: not actively
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1782. # [20:32] <Standard8> bhearsum: vista
1783. # [20:32] <jcranmer> I'd love to have mach/make print out the compilation database instead of my own hacky scripts
1784. # [20:32] <bhearsum> Standard8: hah, figures
1785. # [20:32] <bhearsum> ummm
1786. # [20:32] <bhearsum> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704578#c27
1787. # [20:33] <gps> jcranmer: you saw the commit that does that, right?
1788. # [20:33] <jcranmer> it's been committed?
1789. # [20:34] <gps> jcranmer: https://github.com/indygreg/mozilla-central/commit/36d899c53c7efe850589f969b1df16e061d5c550
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1792. # [20:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b48a2499872c - Gabor Krizsanits - Bug 777705 - Default policy for expanded principals. r=mrbkap
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1797. # [20:35] <Standard8> weird, I can't find mozilla fake spc anywhere in there
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1803. # [20:37] * Standard8 tries again
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1809. # [20:38] <Standard8> ooh
1810. # [20:38] <Standard8> yay :-)
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1812. # [20:38] <Standard8> that worked
1813. # [20:38] <Standard8> thanks bhearsum, bbondy
1814. # [20:39] <bhearsum> woot
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1816. # [20:39] <Standard8> right, time to ship it I think
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1828. # [20:42] <philor> we still do 32/64-bit universal builds on Mac, right?
1829. # [20:42] <jcranmer> yes
1830. # [20:42] <bhearsum> yeah
1831. # [20:42] <philor> why?
1832. # [20:42] <bhearsum> hang on
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1835. # [20:43] <philor> and, as a followup, are we at least going to have QA start up the 32-bit half to see if it even starts, before we ship?
1836. # [20:43] <bhearsum> ah, i'm not sure
1837. # [20:43] <bhearsum> philor: that's a question for #qa
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1839. # [20:43] <philor> no it isn't
1840. # [20:44] <bhearsum> try #planning then
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1842. # [20:44] <bhearsum> it's either QA or Release Management that can answer that question
1843. # [20:44] <philor> I mean, yeah, in the case where we spend an entire cycle building an untested build, and we're minutes away from shipping it, it is :)
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1847. # [20:45] <bhearsum> you think they don't want to know now?
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1851. # [20:46] <philor> dropping 10.5, the only thing where we used the 32-bit half, was a developer decision, so the first answer would be "why did you drop the only thing that uses it, the only thing that tests it, without stopping building it?"
1852. # [20:46] <bhearsum> i don't know how you expect someone here to answer a question about what QA is going to do
1853. # [20:47] <bhearsum> it sounds like your question isn't really about what QA is going to do
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1857. # [20:47] <bhearsum> i so...
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1859. # [20:47] <bhearsum> erm
1860. # [20:47] <philor> correct: "are we at least going to have QA start up the 32-bit half to see if it even starts, before we ship?" is not about QA, it's about the intentions of the people who stopped testing it but didn't stop building it
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1865. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> 32-bit is still a thing?
1866. # [20:49] <@khuey> it is on windows!
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1868. # [20:49] <bhearsum> passive aggressiveness aside, i'm going to send some mail about this - we shouldn't be shutting off those tests without a bunch of higher level people involved
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1872. # [20:50] <mccr8> Aren't 10.5 32 bit builds being tested on one of the branches?
1873. # [20:50] <bhearsum> on 16 and lower, yes
1874. # [20:51] <mccr8> oh, birch is using an old compiler but not 10.5, I guess... my mistake.
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1879. # [20:54] <@smaug> ++imelven
1880. # [20:54] <gcp> taras: seconds?
1881. # [20:54] <gcp> taras: milliseconds i presume?
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1883. # [20:54] <taras> gcp: ms, but it seems way too low for ms
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1888. # [21:00] <taras> gcp: nm, mondays :)
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1890. # [21:00] <jcranmer> gps: ah, it's not actually on mozilla-central, just your fork
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1897. # [21:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9819f1e610ef - Irving Reid - Bug 557024: Mock out the locale service to make test reliable on non en-US systems. r=bsmedberg
1898. # [21:09] <bhearsum> philor: so...our leopard machines are core 2 duo it seems
1899. # [21:09] <bhearsum> which is 64-bit
1900. # [21:10] <philor> but on 10.5, they should have still been picking the 32-bit half of the binary, according to my vague memory
1901. # [21:11] <bhearsum> yeah, i'm trying to confirm that
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1904. # [21:12] <@ted> we wrote a whole bunch of code in our automation to deal with that, yes
1905. # [21:12] <@ted> we run arch -i386 <app>
1906. # [21:12] <bhearsum> ah, ok
1907. # [21:13] <bhearsum> i just confirmed with activity monitor
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1917. # [21:18] <@smaug> gavin: do you happen to remember if we have and where tests for popup blocking
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1919. # [21:20] <@gavin> I don't
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1925. # [21:21] <@gavin> I think we disable the popup bocker in the test profile...
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1927. # [21:21] <@gavin> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/automation.py.in#371
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1929. # [21:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/27f8a4f62506 - Tim Abraldes - bug 758280. Refactor the way we handle `WM_NCCALCSIZE` messages and how we keep track of our frame offsets. r=jimm
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1932. # [21:22] <philor> /dom/tests/mochitest/bugs/test_bug260264* are the ones I remember seeing blocking popups
1933. # [21:23] <bhearsum> philor: i don't know what the exact plan is yet, but joduinn is taking the reins - expect a comment in the bug later today/tomorrow
1934. # [21:23] <philor> bhearsum: thanks
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1940. # [21:25] <@smaug> philor: thanks
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1943. # [21:28] <jcranmer> gps: you know what mach needs to do?
1944. # [21:28] <jcranmer> gps: color-code test output
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1970. # [21:45] <philor> ugh
1971. # [21:45] * philor starts looking for people who put preventative try-run URLs in their bugs
1972. # [21:45] <gps> jcranmer: it does that for TEST-PASS and TEST-FAIL :D
1973. # [21:45] <jcranmer> what about TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL ?
1974. # [21:46] <gps> I think it does!
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1985. # [21:49] <philor> hmm, gabor and imelven have nice clean try runs, everything must be all bbondy's fault :)
1986. # [21:50] <bbondy> bah
1987. # [21:50] <bbondy> my try run was fine
1988. # [21:50] <bbondy> let's see
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1995. # [21:52] <bbondy> philor: what's wrong? My push to m-i looks fine
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1998. # [21:53] <philor> bbondy: we're coalescing, though, so it looks fine having run maybe a third or less of the tests, and up above there's xpcshell failures, including a test with telemetry in the name, and crashtest failures in smil that I don't have a clue about
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2000. # [21:54] <bbondy> philor: can you point me to the failure?
2001. # [21:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4e6f48cb931 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 781220 - Replace a bunch of code that gets the layer view via the layer client to just accessing the layer view directly. r=sriram
2002. # [21:54] <bbondy> *failures
2003. # [21:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3d24b28eab4a - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 781220 - Remove the mLayerClient field from GeckoApp. r=sriram
2004. # [21:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e318fd737692 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 781220 - Simplify initialization codepaths by having the LayerView create the GeckoLayerClient. r=sriram
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2006. # [21:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6bf83751da8 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 781220 - Hide other GeckoLayerClient methods and expose them via the LayerView API. r=sriram
2007. # [21:55] <philor> bbondy: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14534300&tree=Mozilla-Inbound and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14533878&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
2008. # [21:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a528b117f0d4 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 781220 - Move some functions from GeckoLayerClient over into LayerView to simplify access to them. r=sriram
2009. # [21:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6645860382f - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 781220 - Expose a getLayerView function from GeckoApp and use it instead of going through the layer client in a few places. r=sriram
2010. # [21:55] <philor> well played, stuffing that push in when I'm clearly seconds away from closing the tree :)
2011. # [21:55] <Ms2ger> Sounds like android code
2012. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> Not like we care about that
2013. # [21:56] <bbondy> heh
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2015. # [21:56] <bbondy> ya I'm pleading that this is clearly an issue with !bbondy
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2017. # [21:57] <bbondy> (that's not bbondy)
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2021. # [21:59] <philor> for that to be the case, I need to blame the xpcshell failures on gabor, who had a green -a try run, and the crashtest failures on imelven, who had a green -a try run
2022. # [21:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae40b8512ddf - Lucas Rocha - Bug 784050 - Put back code to remove style tags in Readability.js (r=bnicholson)
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2026. # [22:00] <philor> certainly possible, since parentage changes change everything, but a bit surprising to get two in a row
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2028. # [22:00] <bbondy> philor: and here's my green try run: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=de36d45dd1b1
2029. # [22:00] <philor> sweet, we're just totally hosed then
2030. # [22:01] <bbondy> not sure why my green try run is ignored in your deduction but not gabor and imelven's.
2031. # [22:01] <joe> gerv: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486918#c189 someone needs banning
2032. # [22:01] <philor> not sure why you think it's ignored
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2036. # [22:01] <philor> it took me from "blame you" to "we're hosed"
2037. # [22:02] <bbondy> k
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2039. # [22:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/51b26b2d0ad1 - Mark Finkle - Bug 781091 - aboutCertError.xhtml XML Parsing Error r=margaret a=lsblakk
2040. # [22:02] <gerv> joe: Done.
2041. # [22:02] <joe> gerv: <3
2042. # [22:03] <drs> joe: best comment ever
2043. # [22:03] <joe> wth
2044. # [22:03] <joe> what happened to dRdR?
2045. # [22:04] <@khuey> he's dead
2046. # [22:04] * joe had taken to calling drs "Doctor Doctor"
2047. # [22:04] <drs> I grew up and got a name that didn't involve changing capitalization
2048. # [22:04] <drs> I dunno, now people just call me doctor
2049. # [22:04] <joe> at least now it's pluralized doctor
2050. # [22:04] <drs> or doctor sherkleton
2051. # [22:04] <derf> I had assumed it involved double differentiation.
2052. # [22:04] <drs> derf: yeah that's actually kind of what happened in my head after a while too
2053. # [22:05] <joe> dr. jan itor
2054. # [22:05] <bwinton> joe, gerv: Huh. I thought that was an attempt at humor…
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2056. # [22:05] <gerv> bwinton: Perhaps.
2057. # [22:05] <joe> bwinton: he was a douche-canoe earlier in the bug too
2058. # [22:05] <gerv> My "disabled comment" which he gets to see when he tries to log in
2059. # [22:05] <gerv> says
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2061. # [22:05] <gerv> "Ha ha. Hilarious."
2062. # [22:05] * joe claps
2063. # [22:06] <drs> shit guys, he's trained in emacs and lisp
2064. # [22:06] <bwinton> :)
2065. # [22:06] <joe> drs: maybe he can help rewrite
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2068. # [22:06] <drs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
2069. # [22:06] <drs> wonder if it was a reference to that ^
2070. # [22:07] <bbondy> *deduced :)
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2074. # [22:11] <imelven> philor: maybe my try run is too old.
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2085. # [22:13] <philor> imelven: maybe, though I wouldn't have guessed that smil would be moving so fast that you'd go from green to crashing it in string code when it tries to GetXMLDeclaration
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2089. # [22:14] <imelven> philor: good point.
2090. # [22:15] <philor> but I can't blame gabor for the crashtests and reftests, since he made it past several of each
2091. # [22:15] <gabor> philor: I just checked the errors... I would be really surprised if my patch caused them
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2094. # [22:16] <Ms2ger> gabor, oh dear
2095. # [22:16] <Ms2ger> gabor, that's pretty much pleading guilty
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2098. # [22:17] <gabor> Ms2ger: I'm innocent I swear!
2099. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> gabor, do you float on water?
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2101. # [22:18] * gabor measureing himself against a duck
2102. # [22:18] <jedp> hello, devs. Can someone explain to me what 'ERROR: TEST-UNEXPECTED-PASS ... -1 should equal -1' means? It is messing with my head.
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2106. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> jedp, we expected a test to fail, but you fixed it?
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2109. # [22:22] <NeilAway> wait, now it's doing it
2110. # [22:22] <NeilAway> delayed response ;-)
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2113. # [22:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1906fe4159fe - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 783464 - Fix condition for removing the constrained output vector. r=bhackett
2114. # [22:24] <@khuey> gabor!
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2119. # [22:25] <gabor> khuey: hey there! I didnt recognise you either :) anyway I wanted to ask you about a few build system related questions.. do you have a few minutes after this meeting?
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2121. # [22:26] <@khuey> yeah, probably
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2129. # [22:30] <JonathanS> khuey http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/28145053527/https-bugzilla-mozilla-org-page-cgi-id-splinter-h :)
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2134. # [22:31] <@khuey> heh
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2141. # [22:34] <philor> sweet, imelven got a green crashtest, so clearly turning off search suggestions in mobile caused smil to crash on linux desktop
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2148. # [22:36] <chadv> Hi, I have a question about Firefox's use of OpenGL.
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2150. # [22:37] <bbondy> You may get the best answer in #gfx
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2152. # [22:37] <chadv> bbondy: thanks
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2155. # [22:41] <daleharvey> padenot: ping, I was just checking if https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730765 is sorted for checkin?
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2167. # [22:46] <NeilAway> bah, how do you turn off javascript caching :-(
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2172. # [22:51] <bbondy> do you mean like -purgecaches?
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2175. # [22:52] <bbondy> or set MOZ_PURGE_CACHES
2176. # [22:52] <bbondy> env var
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2180. # [22:53] <philor> dholbert: got a few minutes to look at inbound?
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2182. # [22:54] <dholbert> philor, possibly, what's up?
2183. # [22:55] <philor> dholbert: sudden smil crashes, starting in an unreasonable place
2184. # [22:55] <dholbert> iiinteresting
2185. # [22:55] <dholbert> [looking]
2186. # [22:55] <philor> there's also those xpcshell failures a mile down, and some unexplained overnights, but they're a little less worrisome
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2188. # [22:56] <padenot> daleharvey: yes, given it is not bitrotted
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2191. # [22:57] <padenot> daleharvey: I'll try to apply it on tip right now, so we can land it
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2193. # [22:57] <daleharvey> sweet thanks, I tried to apply the first patch but got a few strange conflicts, I may have messed my tree up though
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2197. # [22:59] <dholbert> philor, the first SMIL abort I see (in M-1 at least) is right after imelven's iframe sandboxing checkin
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2199. # [23:00] <dholbert> Mochitests are run in an iframe, so it would make sense that there could be some interaction there
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2204. # [23:02] <dholbert> philor, I'm going to build inbound locally and see if I can repro
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2211. # [23:06] <imelven> i have an inbound with my changes, i'll run mochitest-1 too
2212. # [23:06] <dholbert> imelven, thanks!
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2214. # [23:07] <dholbert> imelven, what OS are you using? from my brief skimming of tbpl, it looked like this might be Linux-only
2215. # [23:07] <imelven> dholbert: oh, windows, actually
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2218. # [23:07] <dholbert> imelven, it's likely those hadn't finished on TBPL yet, so still worth a shot
2219. # [23:07] <imelven> i pushed to try on friday, so things could have changed since then
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2232. # [23:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9434db5cfd47 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Revert "Bug 783464 - Fix condition for removing the constrained output vector. r=bhackett" CLOSED TREE
2233. # [23:10] <KWierso> "Loading failed: error"
2234. # [23:10] <KWierso> :S
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2239. # [23:11] <philor> yeah, to add to the fun, tbpl or ftp.m.o or buildbot or someone is broken
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2246. # [23:12] <KWierso> philor: and just like that, the error's gone for me
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2248. # [23:13] <philor> load some new tree, where you don't have finished results cached
2249. # [23:13] <KWierso> oh
2250. # [23:14] <KWierso> so I see the pending builds
2251. # [23:14] <KWierso> but nothing that's finished or failed
2252. # [23:14] <KWierso> or some subset of pending builds
2253. # [23:14] <KWierso> or something
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2256. # [23:15] <philor> db go bye-bye
2257. # [23:15] <sheeri> philor it should be back now
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2260. # [23:16] <RyanVM> if I push something to Try, am I going to be able to see the results whenever the tbpl bustage is fixed?
2261. # [23:16] <philor> it still doesn't think so, though
2262. # [23:16] <philor> maybe!
2263. # [23:16] <sheeri> I see tbpl connections
2264. # [23:16] <sheeri> philor which db particularly?
2265. # [23:16] <philor> ah, now it's happy again, thanks
2266. # [23:16] <KWierso> philor: jetpack tests are back
2267. # [23:16] <sheeri> philor I f*cked up generic, so I f*cked up many dbs :D
2268. # [23:17] <KWierso> oh come on, I want to see anything other than that osx opt
2269. # [23:17] <KWierso> I just want one green
2270. # [23:17] <mbrubeck> sheeri: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3qkb11/ ?
2271. # [23:17] <sheeri> mbrubeck hah!
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2273. # [23:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/36e366621f46 - Olli Pettay - Bug 783376 - codegenerator should be able generate implementations which inherit other simple events, r=khuey
2274. # [23:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/360ab7771e27 - Olli Pettay - Bug 783856 - Autogen PopupBlockedEvent, r=jst
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2304. # [23:28] <philor> fun, a11y bustage too
2305. # [23:28] <beltzner> damned fonts
2306. # [23:28] <beltzner> for a second there I was wondering who broke ally
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2858. # [23:33] <dholbert> imelven / philor, fwiw, with mozilla-inbound tip, I can run mochitests in content/smil, but I'm getting random crashes if I run mochitests in layout/style
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2860. # [23:33] <philor> huh
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2862. # [23:34] <dholbert> (haven't gotten a stack yet, so I don't know if it's related at all)
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2864. # [23:34] <imelven> anything i can do to help ?
2865. # [23:35] <GPHemsley> Is MXR acting up?
2866. # [23:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/559c5895bad6 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out fb49a2f819ad (bug 766112) for destroying the a11y village rather than saving it, CLOSED TREE
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2870. # [23:37] <dholbert> imelven, it might be good for you to back out, not sure yet though
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2872. # [23:39] <dholbert> imelven / philor: have to run, sorry -- back later
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2875. # [23:39] <imelven> dholbert philor: yeah i'm not opposed to backing out and seeing if i can make this happen on try
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2886. # [23:43] <Bas> bbondy: The desktop UI is rather weird on Windows 8 btw.
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2889. # [23:45] <imelven> hm i see dholbert can't repro locally, very odd
2890. # [23:46] <philor> imelven: oh, I bet you need a clobber
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2892. # [23:46] <imelven> philor: on the builds on m-i you mean ?
2893. # [23:46] <imelven> or to repro locally ?
2894. # [23:46] <philor> we're not very good about always saying that clobbers are clobbers, but at least one of the times where we have a green C, it was a clobber
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2896. # [23:47] <philor> I mean on m-i, to stop crashing
2897. # [23:47] <imelven> gotcha
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2900. # [23:49] <imelven> if i had theoretically known that this needed a clobber (which i didnt :) ), is there some way to indicate that ?
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2902. # [23:50] <philor> no, you have to do it manually, though it's (in theory) helpful for people merging it around if you mention in the commit message "THIS IS GOING TO BREAK YOUR STUFF ON LINUX UNTIL YOU CLOBBER"
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2904. # [23:51] <@khuey> whatever happened to that patch of BenWa's to put clobber info in the tree?
2905. # [23:51] <imelven> ok, thanks for the tip
2906. # [23:51] <dholbert> philor / imelven, I like the needs-a-clobber theory
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2911. # [23:53] <dholbert> philor / imelven, did one of you already trigger a clobber via the clobberer tool?
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2913. # [23:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/70d0984bf533 - Phil Ringnalda - No bug, trigger CLOBBER REQUIRED ON LINUX builds on a CLOSED TREE
2914. # [23:53] <philor> dholbert: ^ :)
2915. # [23:54] <dholbert> philor++
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2917. # [23:54] <imelven> so now i watch that on tbpl and cross my fingers and toes ? ;)
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2919. # [23:55] <dholbert> erm "Host key verification failed." on Android Armv6 opt on tbpl inbound
2920. # [23:55] <dholbert> on an ssh / scp operation
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2924. # [23:56] <dholbert> aki, ^ (log is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14537838&tree=Mozilla-Inbound )
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