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# Session Start: Tue Aug 28 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <RyanVM> bhearsum: aurora/beta/etc are closed for the merge
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# [00:00] <bhearsum|buildduty> yeah, i didn't touch them
# [00:01] <RyanVM> comm-aurora and comm-beta were definitely opened...
# [00:01] <bhearsum|buildduty> i didn't touch those
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# [00:01] <efaust> akeybl: ping
# [00:02] <RyanVM> bhearsum: dunno, but my clicking restore on your reopening re-closed them
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# [00:03] <lsblakk> efaust: pong
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# [00:03] <lsblakk> efaust: my bad, you didn't ping _me_ :)
# [00:03] * luke sneaks into the tree...
# [00:03] <efaust> lsblakk: well, you're just as good to ask :P
# [00:04] <lsblakk> efaust: what's up?
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# [00:04] <efaust> lsblakk: It looks like I have missed the aurora->beta uplift merge. If I have a patch that's a+ aurora, shoudl I just wait and land beta, or reapply?
# [00:04] <lsblakk> efaust: aurora-> beta is happening right now - wait and land to beta when akeybl confirms the merge is done
# [00:04] * RyanVM debates un-sneaking luke :P
# [00:05] <lsblakk> efaust: but for correctness, can you nom for beta approval on the patches you're looking to land?
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# [00:05] <efaust> lsblakk: sure.
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# [00:10] <efaust> lsblakk: should it also land to aurora, or is there going to be a central->aurora uplift as well?
# [00:10] <lsblakk> efaust: there is going to be central->aurora
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# [00:10] <lsblakk> probably as we speak
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# [00:15] <akeybl> jimm: are you available to meet w/r/t Win8 meeting being held right now?
# [00:15] <akeybl> rstrong: ^
# [00:15] <akeybl> we're in all your base
# [00:15] <akeybl> vidyo
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# [00:16] <efaust> OK, approval requested for appropriate patches to clean up after uplift madness.
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# [00:18] <Luqman> jdm: now I need to figure out how to fix the resulting erros
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# [00:21] <jdm> Luqman: you'll need to brace the if blocks in your patch
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# [00:22] <Luqman> jdm: right, this is not python...
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# [00:29] <@gavin> the underscore really makes the stdint types more annoying to type
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# [00:30] <@dolske> gavin: agreed, please back out ehsan
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# [00:30] <@dolske> [;-)]
# [00:31] <@gavin> heh
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# [00:31] <biesi> oh, maybe that's why google just used int32 etc!
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# [00:31] <@khuey> I wish we had types that didn't require the use of the shift key
# [00:32] <jcranmer> too late, Element has already made its decision
# [00:32] <jhammel> xmodmap :P
# [00:32] <biesi> having learned to program on a german kb layout does make me bothered less by all this ;)
# [00:32] <@dolske> maybe we could just add a PRint32t (no underscore)
# [00:33] <@dolske> hmm
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# [00:33] <@dolske> ehsan has become resistant to my trolling
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# [00:52] <@ehsan> dao: ping
# [00:52] <dao> ehsan: pong
# [00:53] <@ehsan> dao: for bug 782453, do you suggest that we should back out this patch whenever aol fixes their website?
# [00:53] <@ehsan> or just remove the init/uninit parts?
# [00:54] <dao> ehsan: remove init/uninit (except that we'll likely have other overrides by then...)
# [00:54] <@ehsan> dao: ok, then I'm fine with your suggestion
# [00:54] <@ehsan> dao: do you have any other concerns with my comments?
# [00:55] <dao> no, I'll add some comments and think about a test
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# [00:56] <@ehsan> dao: sounds good, thanks
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# [01:05] <@stuart> woo internet burp
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# [01:15] <cpearce> Is nightly hanging a lot on linux for anyone else, or just me?
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# [01:17] <mbrubeck> cpearce: I haven't noticed any problems with today's Linux64 nightly.
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# [01:22] <jhammel> cpearce: nor i with my 32 bit nightly
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# [01:28] <philor> bent made an orange
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# [01:36] <mbrubeck> philor: need a backout?
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# [01:38] <nrc> cpearce: is there any other kind of Linux day?
# [01:39] <jhammel> the days when you use mac or win and wish to god you were on linux? ;)
# [01:39] <cpearce> linux is held back by the quality of its drivers. :(
# [01:40] <hub> cpearce: no. linux is just more selective about the hardware it should be run on
# [01:40] <philor> RyanVM: think inbound looks close enough, as long as you ignore bent's orange?
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# [01:40] <cpearce> hub: heh
# [01:40] <mbrubeck> oh, forgot CLOSED TREE
# [01:41] <jhammel> hub: ah, so its like mac, just not as restrictive ;)
# [01:41] <mbrubeck> backed out for real
# [01:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a7f0beb46374 - Matt Brubeck - Back out changeset 5ff334b7781d (bug 786003) because of test failures on Windows on a CLOSED TREE
# [01:41] <hub> jhammel: you can't fix MacOS. But MacOS has better hardware on overal
# [01:42] <hub> I wish I could get a thinkpad with MacBook quality
# [01:42] <jhammel> i have thought about buying a mac and throwing linux on it
# [01:42] <jgilbert> depends what you want from your hardware, I suppose
# [01:43] <RyanVM> philor: sure, I'll reopen in a bit
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# [01:45] <hub> jgilbert: something is not shit quality. Thinkpad remain the less shitty of the non Apple, still way below
# [01:46] <hub> jhammel: I would discourage from doing so. for lot of reasons.
# [01:46] <jhammel> hub: outside of giving money to a company i don't like, any others?
# [01:46] <RyanVM> tree is OPEN
# [01:46] <RyanVM> I also clobbered inbound to pick up the version number bump
# [01:46] <hub> jhammel: the hardware inside is for from being linux friendly
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# [01:46] <hub> jhammel: Nvidia, broadcom, etc.
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# [01:47] <jhammel> i've heard ubuntu "just works" on macairs...but i could have been misled
# [01:47] <johns> I'm on a macbook 8,3 running linux
# [01:47] <hub> jhammel: Ubuntu isn't linux
# [01:47] <johns> It's not anywhere near "Just works" :(
# [01:47] <jgilbert> like I said, depends what quality means to you
# [01:47] <mbrubeck> Now hub is getting into the really *advanced* trolling. ;)
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# [01:48] <hub> mbrubeck: I'd use Windows Vista before Ubuntu
# [01:48] <johns> Let's not say things we can't take back
# [01:48] <jgilbert> it's almost like different people and usecases have different requirements
# [01:48] <hub> jgilbert: something that does not fall apart in a few month, nor that isn't cluckily designed like heavy, loose battery, and so forth
# [01:49] <jgilbert> hub: you are so far describing my thinkpad fairly well
# [01:49] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: I assume you'll comment in bug 786003
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# [01:49] <jgilbert> also, I threw an extra 16 gigs of RAM and an SSD in it with no issues
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# [01:49] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: Oh yeah, thanks for the reminder.
# [01:49] <hub> jgilbert: that's how I feel about the X220: loose battery, still heavy, keyboard that and other things that start showing lot of wear...
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# [01:50] <hub> jgilbert: the X220 nameplate at the bottom of the screen is already loose
# [01:50] <johns> RyanVM: The "read the tree rules" message disappeared. Are we free to violate rules now?
# [01:50] <jhammel> johns++
# [01:50] * jhammel declares anarchy
# [01:50] <jgilbert> johns: wait, we were suppose to read those?
# [01:50] <hub> jgilbert: I have an SSD already in it
# [01:50] <hub> jgilbert: also the track pad is rubbish
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# [01:51] <jgilbert> I personally much prefer the thinkpad trackpads to the macbook ones
# [01:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ee5484eb9f4a - Gavin Sharp - Back out bug 785333 (revisions 79345542f853 and a1756976e61d) to fix crasher bug 785626
# [01:51] <hub> jgilbert: you prefer it does not work to scroll?
# [01:52] <jgilbert> hub: scrolling wfm
# [01:52] <jhammel> (TBH, I prefer it doesn't scroll)
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# [01:52] <Luqman> is there a reason why it's spelt netwerk?
# [01:52] <jgilbert> Luqman: we used to have both 'network' and 'netwerk', iirc
# [01:52] <mbrubeck> Luqman: It's a rewrite of the networking code; for a while the original was at /network and the new version at /netwerk
# [01:52] <jgilbert> so "historical reasons"
# [01:53] <dzbarsky> I'm hitting an error in the build while bisecting: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1779502. Anyone know which changeset fixed it?
# [01:53] <jgilbert> just wait until 'netwark'
# [01:53] <jhammel> newark? ;)
# [01:53] <johns> netwürk
# [01:53] <mbrubeck> kraftwerk
# [01:53] <Luqman> netwørk
# [01:54] <jgilbert> netbork
# [01:54] <jgilbert> (we're so productive)
# [01:54] <hub> jgilbert: it if very clunky
# [01:54] * jhammel is confident those unicode directory names will cause nø problems
# [01:54] <mbrubeck> нетwork
# [01:54] <hub> mbrubeck: WIN
# [01:54] <johns> software development is hard
# [01:55] <hub> you should have renamed the old code "notwork"
# [01:55] <hub> :-)
# [01:55] <jgilbert> we should just switch to 'tubes'
# [01:55] <jcranmer> I had §á3 as a directory somewhere once
# [01:56] <jhammel> they work fine in linux, afaik
# [01:56] <jhammel> not sure what windows thinks of them
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# [01:57] <hub> jhammel: it depends of the codepage
# [01:57] <hub> :-)
# [01:57] <jgilbert> If I wanted to make a xul-fennec build, how would I go about it?
# [01:57] <jgilbert> is it just a different target?
# [01:57] <johns> I think once you get to python-on-msys-on-windows the odds of it just-working are pretty terrible
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# [01:57] <jcranmer> doesn't Windows just use UTF-16 these days?
# [01:58] <jcranmer> [on NTFS, not FAT, obviously]
# [01:58] <mbrubeck> jgilbert: Yeah, --enable-application=mobile/xul
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# [01:59] <jcranmer> "NTFS allows any sequence of 16-bit values for name encoding (file names, stream names, index names, etc.). This means UTF-16 codepoints are supported, but the file system does not check whether a sequence is valid UTF-16 (it allows any sequence of short values, not restricted to those in the Unicode standard)."
# [01:59] <padenot> mbrubeck: and then we can make package and send it to a device?
# [02:00] * padenot has an issue with XUL-fennec
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# [02:00] <jgilbert> actually, how do I determine that we're running xul-fennec vs. native-fennec in reftest.js?
# [02:00] <mbrubeck> padenot: Yes, "make package" will produce an APK, and "make install" will use ADB to install it over USB.
# [02:00] <Mook_as> and Linux is just a bag of bytes (sane people these days assume it's all UTF8)
# [02:00] <jhammel> sane people use linux? ;)
# [02:01] <mbrubeck> Let's not start that again. :)
# [02:01] <RyanVM> johns: yes, to your heart's content
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# [02:04] <mbrubeck> jgilbert: You can use (Android&&browserIsRemote) to test for XUL Fennec in reftest.list
# [02:04] <mbrubeck> e.g. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/scrolling/reftest.list
# [02:04] <mbrubeck> or (Android&&!browserIsRemote) for native Fennec
# [02:04] <jgilbert> it might be best to add a new var to the sandbox for that :p
# [02:05] <GPHemsley> Do properties files generally require MPL licensing?
# [02:06] <Luqman> when pushing to try, is there something i need to do to push more than just the top to applied mq patches?
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# [02:07] <mbrubeck> Luqman: "hg push -f try" will push everything in your local repo to try, unless you add a "-r <rev>" argument
# [02:07] <GPHemsley> gerv: ping, even though I've probably asked you this already.
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# [02:07] <mbrubeck> Note that if some of those changesets are already *in* Try (because you or others have pushed them previously) then they won't be pushed again
# [02:07] <Luqman> mbrubeck: aaah, thanks
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# [02:08] <mbrubeck> jgilbert: You can also access sandbox.browserIsRemote and sandbox.Android
# [02:08] * mbrubeck didn't know about the reftest sandbox before
# [02:08] <bsmith> Is it possible to create an IndexedDB database for Gecko's internal use (in chrome) for use by native code that is accessible off the main thread?
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# [02:09] <mbrubeck> look, it's khuey
# [02:09] <Luqman> mbrubeck: so if i wanted to push the top 3, which would i pass for -r ?
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# [02:10] <bsmith> Are we now allowing mozilla::Preferences::Get* to be called off the main thread? I thought preferences were to be always accessed in the main thread, whether reading or writing
# [02:10] <@khuey> no
# [02:10] <mbrubeck> Luqman: If you want to push just 3 patches to Try, just make sure those are the only ones that are applied
# [02:10] <@khuey> you can't use preferences off the main thread
# [02:10] <@khuey> and I can't assert that because of PSM :-(
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# [02:11] <bsmith> khuey: we will help you do so
# [02:11] <mbrubeck> (When I say "everything in your local repo," that does not include unapplied mq patches; sorry if that was misleading)
# [02:11] <bsmith> I am helping you now, in fact, by r-ing this patch that adds more off-the-main-thread pref access in PSM
# [02:11] <@khuey> bsmith: last I looked kaie refused to do the reviews for the relevant bugs
# [02:11] <@khuey> bsmith: yay
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# [02:12] <bsmith> khuey: I will ask Honza to do the reviews when he returns from being away
# [02:12] <@khuey> woo
# [02:12] <bsmith> sorry for the delay there
# [02:12] * @khuey shrugs
# [02:12] <@khuey> I've seen worse
# [02:13] <Callek> khuey, ted: fyi SeaMonkey isn't 100% ready to use clang on mac with tooltool -- but as discussed you have the go for removing that hack if you feel the need/desire.
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# [02:13] * Callek suspects we'll be ready by EOW
# [02:13] <Callek> khuey: I cc'ed you on ping per you being build-system peer
# [02:14] <@khuey> bsmith: and no, IndexedDB is main thread only at the moment
# [02:14] <@khuey> though we're working on bringing it to worker threads
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# [02:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8264b7d01a5a - Wes Johnston - Bug 771915 - Show origin of the page if it differs from the webapps. r=mfinkle
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# [02:29] <@gavin> Callek: why was https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/2ec0163a9aa9 committed as you?
# [02:29] <@khuey> because Callek is a machine
# [02:30] <Callek> gavin: Bug 785636
# [02:30] <@khuey> also I'm still mad that my bug about the formatting of the blocklist files being all messed up was wontfixed
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# [02:31] <Callek> gavin: since I was running it locally, I figured it would be really really bad form to try and do it as ffxbld/cltbld
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# [02:37] * akeybl --- merge day is complete for aurora/beta now ---
# [02:38] <mbrubeck> akeybl: Just curious, is there a plan for the Fx18 release/merge day? (I assume it won't actually be on New Year's Day?)
# [02:38] <akeybl> mbrubeck: correct
# [02:38] <akeybl> bajaj (new to the team) has a proposal
# [02:38] <akeybl> will be emailing to r-d early this week
# [02:38] <mbrubeck> cool
# [02:38] <akeybl> we're going to likely just move everything out a week (merge and release)
# [02:39] <akeybl> and span building/testing/releasing beta 6 over 2 weeks
# [02:39] <akeybl> since most people will be gone for at least half of the last 2 weeks of December
# [02:39] <akeybl> be on the lookout for that email
# [02:41] <mbrubeck> I'm not on r-d, but I'll look for it whenever it's ready to be discussed somewhere public like .planning
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# [02:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f301dd62fb2 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 781883 - Ensure the GeckoApp unregisters itself as a tab listener on teardown, or it ends up getting registered multiple times. r=sriram
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# [02:50] <nthomas> why three pushes ?
# [02:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3d7907e9e5a9 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backout bug 157681 in order to fix bug 775350 on Beta. a=akeybl
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# [02:51] <RyanVM> akeybl: ping
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# [02:51] <akeybl> hey RyanVM
# [02:51] <RyanVM> akeybl: Hi!
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# [02:51] <RyanVM> akeybl: for bug 775350, status-firefox16 is fixed when that patch lands, right?
# [02:52] * RyanVM isn't sure due to it being a backout
# [02:52] <RyanVM> akeybl: i'm also going to set status-firefox16 on bug 157681 to wontfix
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# [02:58] <akeybl> RyanVM: correct
# [02:58] <akeybl> on both accounts
# [02:58] <RyanVM> akeybl: thanks
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# [03:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4a09ef58cba1 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 779741 - Move character encoding menu logic to BrowserApp. r=sriram
# [03:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/386e9555a105 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 785485 - No way to clear "Open this page with an app" permissions granted from doorhanger notifications. r=mcomella
# [03:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c1a0b963ffb1 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 785885 - Adjust/tweak text positioning in landscape layout in about:feedback. r=mfinkle
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# [03:18] <reuben> BenWa, review ping? (bug 696045)
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# [03:19] <BenWa> reuben: Ohh opps, looking now
# [03:19] <reuben> thanks :)
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# [03:20] <BenWa> reuben: Argg, I had looked but guess the r+ didn't submit
# [03:21] <BenWa> better late then never
# [03:22] <reuben> hehe
# [03:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fa9e807f7f8 - Ed Morley - Bug 752796 - Disable test_streams_element_capture{,_reset}.html on Windows for too many timeouts. r=kinetik
# [03:23] <RyanVM> Callek: Interesting, this looks like your tegra-290+ failure - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=a7f0beb46374
# [03:23] <Callek> RyanVM: indeed it does
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# [03:24] <@bz> who other than bholley would know why using document.domain in a test breaks the test harness?
# [03:24] <@bz> JavaScript error: http://mochi.test:8888/tests/SimpleTest/SimpleTest.js, line 274: Permission denied to access property 'currentTestURL'
# [03:24] <@bz> etc
# [03:24] <@bz> JavaScript error: http://mochi.test:8888/tests/SimpleTest/TestRunner.js, line 111: Permission denied to access property 'wrappedJSObject'
# [03:25] <RyanVM> Callek: though reading the bug comments, I guess it's not the first time it's been seen on the lower ones
# [03:26] <@bz> man
# [03:26] <Callek> not the first time, but so far theres no guarantees as to the idea if it was something else for the last times lower ones
# [03:26] <@bz> super-broken harness
# [03:26] <@bz> ok
# [03:26] * @bz wonders how to test is sanely
# [03:26] <Callek> RyanVM: basically I'm utterly lost as to potential cause of this
# [03:27] <@dbaron> bz, inside an iframe?
# [03:27] <@dbaron> bz, and postMessage the results back?
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# [03:28] <@bz> yeah
# [03:28] <@bz> that's not exactly "sanely"
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# [03:28] <@bz> it's going to turn a 3-line test into a giant mess
# [03:28] <@bz> but yeah, seems like the only option
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# [03:29] <@dbaron> bz, make a /tests/SimpleTest/DocumentDomainUtils.js ?
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# [03:30] <@bz> dbaron: honestly, that's more overhead than I want to deal with for a test for a one-line fix to code I shouldn't even need to touch except the people who own it don't fix their bugs
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# [03:31] <@dbaron> a happy hotel guest, then?
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# [03:32] <@bz> finally
# [03:32] <@bz> for a few days
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# [03:32] <RyanVM> Callek: also just lost 3 tegra jobs in a non-clean fashion in the last ~15 minutes
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# [03:33] <marco> njn: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/webapps/WebappsInstaller.jsm#873
# [03:33] <marco> there's an example here
# [03:33] <Callek> RyanVM: :/
# [03:33] <Callek> RyanVM: I'll spend [almost] all my day tomorrow trying to manage tegra issues
# [03:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc8bc4e1bdfc - Tim Abraldes - bug 757978. Remove empty "webapprt\components" subdir from Firefox installations. r=rstrong
# [03:34] <RyanVM> Callek: sounds dreamy
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# [03:36] <njn> bz: if you had to write some code that dumped out all the memory reports to a JSON file, how would you go about it?
# [03:36] <marco> njn: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIFileOutputStream?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=nsIFileOutputStream
# [03:36] <@bz> what marco said is probably simplest if dumping sync is ok
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# [03:37] <njn> sync is probably ok
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# [03:37] <njn> what do I do with a nsIFileOutputStream once I've init'ed it?
# [03:37] <njn> ah
# [03:37] <njn> I see nsIOutputStream
# [03:37] <@bz> yeah
# [03:37] <njn> ok, thanks marco and bz
# [03:38] <@bz> as long as your data has no embedded nulls
# [03:38] <njn> bz: I'm dumping the output in /tmp (or equivalent) for lack of a better idea
# [03:41] <heycam> where are the rules for "reftest" taken from, when I type `make -C objdir reftest`?
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# [03:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d65863fbb129 - Luke Wagner - Bug 786068 - make JS_EnterCrossCompartmentCall infallible (and call it JS_EnterCompartment) (r=sfink)
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# [03:44] <heycam> oh, I found it: testing/testsuite-targets.mk
# [03:44] <dzbarsky> bz: bug 786105 ;)
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# [03:46] <tanvi> *is stuck*
# [03:47] <tanvi> I have a request that goes to a server in a mochitest, but is the type of request that does not get a response. I can set a boolean value when the request is processed on the server and try to poll for it from the client, but every new request to the server, the boolean value gets reset.
# [03:47] <tanvi> how do i communicate the client that the request was processed if I can't send a response/
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# [03:49] <@bz> dzbarsky: interesting
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# [03:49] <dzbarsky> bz: I asked tim to make a standalone desktop testcase
# [03:50] <@bz> dzbarsky: any errors in error console or equivalent?
# [03:50] <dzbarsky> bz: nothing that seems relevant
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# [03:52] <@bz> dzbarsky: what's in there that's irrelevant?
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# [03:52] <@bz> dzbarsky: anyway, if you give me a way to reproduce that would obviously be nice. ;)
# [03:52] <dzbarsky> bz: CC assertions, gralloc failures, etc.
# [03:52] <@bz> mmm
# [03:53] <@bz> I meant something more like the web console
# [03:53] <@bz> or do you dump all that to the same place?
# [03:53] <dzbarsky> bz: yes
# [03:53] <RyanVM> mattwoodrow: so you've got the DLBI randomorange all sorted out now?
# [03:53] <mattwoodrow> RyanVM: certainly looks like it
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# [03:53] <hobophobe> tanvi: Depending how your test is set up, you might be able to use https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Httpd.js/HTTP_server_for_unit_tests#Storing_information_across_requests_%28not_available_in_Gecko.C2.A01.9.0%29
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# [03:54] <RyanVM> mattwoodrow: sweet, that ought to make the next landing a bit less bumpy :)
# [03:54] <mattwoodrow> and I've definitely fixed the 'ruin mobile invalidation entirely' bug
# [03:54] <mattwoodrow> which is a bonus
# [03:55] <tanvi> yes! thanks hobophobe! I think this will work.
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# [04:05] <@bz> mostly wrote, or mostly to stoke? ;)
# [04:06] <dzbarsky> bz: sure
# [04:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e3da600d7642 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 785684 - Tests for overflow-x/y:hidden on display:table/table-cell.
# [04:06] <mattwoodrow> bz: Yes, new text frame created every paint
# [04:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8bdeda83f7b1 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 785324 - Return a FrameTarget with 'empty' flag set true when clicking on an empty block (also in the non-editable case). r=roc
# [04:06] <mattwoodrow> and it's big!
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# [04:06] <mattwoodrow> 81x70 pixels
# [04:06] <mattwoodrow> :(
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# [04:07] <Waldo> bz: "yes", if I'm parsing correctly ;-)
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# [04:07] <Waldo> it doesn't look particularly different, is the conclusion
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# [04:07] <Waldo> which is probably a good thing :-)
# [04:08] <Waldo> I suppose editing is where I'd start to see real differences and all :-)
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# [04:09] <@bz> mattwoodrow: that's just the update of the time, right?
# [04:10] <mattwoodrow> oh, so it is
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# [04:14] <njn> bz: this appears to work: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1779690. Does it look reasonable?
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# [04:16] <njn> bz: I don't understand the interaction between the permissions specified for CreateUnique() vs those for ostream->Init(), but the former seems to win
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# [04:21] <darktrojan> " If set to -1 the default permissions (0664) will be used. "
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# [04:22] <darktrojan> but I guess since it's createUnique that actually creates the file it just keeps the permissions it got then
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# [04:27] <RyanVM> gavin: ping
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# [04:28] <njn> darktrojan: which seems weird, because won't the file already have pre-existing permissions?
# [04:28] <darktrojan> from where?
# [04:28] <darktrojan> it didn't exist before createUnique
# [04:29] <njn> darktrojan: I'm talking about pre-existing w.r.t. the ostream->Init()
# [04:30] <njn> |init() This method adds a hook to the list.| huh?
# [04:30] <njn> that's at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/nsIFileOutputStream?redirect=no
# [04:30] <darktrojan> you're getting 0664?
# [04:31] <njn> darktrojan: I'm getting 0600
# [04:31] <darktrojan> huh wat is that line about
# [04:31] <darktrojan> oh kaaay
# [04:31] <njn> darktrojan: maybe I don't need to CreateUnique -- maybe Init() will create the file if it's not there?
# [04:31] <njn> having said that, I want CreateUnique because of the uniqueness, I think
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# [04:32] <darktrojan> 0700 & 0664 = 0600
# [04:32] <@bz> njn: looks ok at first glance
# [04:32] <@bz> njn: Init() does not create the file
# [04:32] <njn> bz: then why does it refere to permissions?
# [04:32] <@bz> njn: oh, the ostream init? _That_ might create something in some cases.
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# [04:33] <njn> bz: I saw some code using NS_NewLocalFileOutputStream() and some using do_CreateInstance("@mozilla.org/network/file-output-stream;1")
# [04:33] <njn> are they equivalent?
# [04:34] <njn> bz: I'm also uncertain about the |dummy| arg, what that's for
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# [04:40] <darktrojan> that odd line about hooks seems to be a copy/paste fail from about 2008
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# [04:43] <njn> bz: eh, not that important, thanks for the help
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# [04:52] <RyanVM> Callek: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14762549&tree=Firefox
# [04:53] <Callek> RyanVM: huh @ INFO: Got expected SUTAgent version '1.11'
# [04:53] <Callek> RyanVM: thanks I'll peek at that soon
# [04:54] * Callek notes it *should* be SUTAgent 1.12
# [04:54] <espindola> today's quiz: Why the patch in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1779719 is not a nop :-)
# [04:54] <RyanVM> Callek: interesting - two jobs both failed at the same time with that
# [04:54] <RyanVM> and another with a signal 15
# [04:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a08d28e8a86b - Fabrice Desré - Bug 768868 - App manifest should support application type [r=vingtetun]
# [04:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9b96029a9cf0 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 781620 - Bridge the DOM webapps registry with nsIPrincipal::GetStatus() - Part 2 : refactoring AppsService to cache webapps data in the content process [r=mounir,
# [04:54] <firebot> vingtetun]
# [04:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/010b5cb3576d - Fabrice Desré - Bug 781620 - Bridge the DOM webapps registry with nsIPrincipal::GetStatus() - Part 1 : nsPrincipal changes [r=mounir]
# [04:55] <RyanVM> espindola: please post inbound links to your bugs when landing there (I noticed that one of the ones I resolved tonight didn't)
# [04:55] <RyanVM> espindola: also, is the long-term plan to move linux builds over to clang as well?
# [04:55] <espindola> RyanVM, I was told that whatever new fancy system we use to track merges doesn't need the inbound links
# [04:55] <espindola> have I misunderstood it?
# [04:56] <RyanVM> espindola: it doesn't require target milestone
# [04:56] <RyanVM> inbound links are still appreciated :)
# [04:56] <espindola> ah, ok, sorry
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# [04:56] <espindola> as for clang, it *just* has to get to be on the top of my priority list
# [04:56] <espindola> which I have no way of knowing when that will be
# [04:57] <RyanVM> I'm assuming that at least in the linux case, gcc isn't going to be unsupported any time soon, though
# [04:57] <RyanVM> (though I suppose not being tied to an ancient fork at least means more rapid de-support of older versions)
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# [04:58] <espindola> I hope one day we start requiring newer ones
# [04:58] <espindola> they should be very light to "support"
# [04:58] <espindola> but it is all wishful thinking at the moment
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# [04:59] <RyanVM> espindola: OK, cool. Thanks for explaining!
# [04:59] * espindola espindola is not even sure how the clang switch on OS X came to be consider important enough
# [04:59] <philor> RyanVM: 10.8 tests are starting to run, but we didn't update prod tbpl, so don't be surprised to see orange 10.8 jobs in the 10.5 row
# [04:59] <darktrojan> what timezone is sheppy?
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# [05:03] <markh> he posted on yammer yesterday that he is off until sep 4
# [05:04] <darktrojan> oh
# [05:04] <darktrojan> lucky him
# [05:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/09ecfa4faa76 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
# [05:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e21e4ace8b7 - Edmund Wong - Bug 783847 - Move Webapps l10n strings from browser/ to toolkit/. r=bmcbride
# [05:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8af2ff9c6018 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge the last PGO-green inbound changeset to m-c.
# [05:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee5484eb9f4a - Gavin Sharp - Back out bug 785333 (revisions 79345542f853 and a1756976e61d) to fix crasher bug 785626
# [05:05] <ewong> RyanVM thanks for the help with the checkin
# [05:05] <Unfocused> darktrojan: normally he's EDT
# [05:06] <RyanVM> ewong: not a problem :)
# [05:06] <darktrojan> k!
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# [05:06] <darktrojan> you're back, Unfocused?
# [05:06] <Unfocused> yep, finally
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# [05:12] <espindola> ehsan, you will probably love 786148
# [05:12] <philor> dbaron: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14762891&tree=Mozilla-Beta - guess what time it is?
# [05:12] <espindola> it is has the answer to the above quiz btw
# [05:12] <@dbaron> philor, what time?
# [05:12] <philor> dbaron: reftests on a new version of OS X time! woohoo!
# [05:13] <@dbaron> philor, ah, yes... have we gotten them running on the previous version yet?
# [05:13] <espindola> awesome
# [05:13] <@dbaron> philor, and... why are we spinning up new platforms on Mozilla-Beta?
# [05:13] <philor> dbaron: you disabled them for us :)
# [05:13] <espindola> dbaron, reftests I think so. There is still a xpshell failure I think
# [05:13] <@dbaron> espindola, more than that
# [05:14] <@dbaron> I think we need an owner for this stuff.
# [05:14] <philor> beta because there's apparently not a whole lot of slaves right now, and it has the highest priority so it gets them first
# [05:14] <espindola> true
# [05:14] <@ehsan> espindola: oh lovely!
# [05:14] <espindola> ehsan, still not sure if that was all
# [05:14] <espindola> so far:
# [05:14] <espindola> * ccache changing __FILE__
# [05:14] <espindola> * clang non determinism
# [05:15] <Waldo> njn: that changed within the last couple months, I think before I left
# [05:15] <espindola> * IPC x ipc showing up in the symbol table because of a case sensitive file system
# [05:15] <njn> Waldo: ah
# [05:15] <njn> Waldo: I had wondered
# [05:15] <RyanVM> philor: if we're running builds on OSX 10.8 now, it would be nice if OS X64 was renamed to OSX 10.6 for consistency
# [05:15] <njn> Waldo: did you end up biking as far as you wanted?
# [05:15] <@ehsan> espindola: clearly there's more to discover, I don't see the phase of the moon anywhere in that list!
# [05:15] <espindola> I almost hope there is more, because otherwise one of those things is causing a 2% difference on dromaeo_dom
# [05:15] <Waldo> njn: yep, ended at 19:00 on the day I needed to finish by
# [05:16] <njn> Waldo: well done. You must have seen a lot of hot weather
# [05:16] <philor> RyanVM: especially since we're only building an OS X32, we aren't actually testing it in any way whatsoever
# [05:16] <Waldo> njn: yeah; that actually was probably a good thing, as it made most of the rain (which I only ever encountered in brief patches) more bearable
# [05:17] * philor asks tbpl-dev what the patch for 10.8 did
# [05:17] <Waldo> njn: also made it more comfortable to carry as few sets of clothes as I did (the biking clothes I wore during the day, and one set of clothes to change into after a shower at the end of the day, if I had time to do so)
# [05:17] <philor> nothing about 10.6, apparently
# [05:17] * Waldo kind of wished he'd carried another set of clothes, but he doesn't think he regrets not having them, or not buying another set along the way
# [05:18] <Waldo> carrying less weight is a good thing, and the lack didn't make me that much more uncomfortable :-)
# [05:18] <RyanVM> philor: what's with the pending build count on aurora?
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# [05:21] <philor> RyanVM: six slaves, and when you readd something that existed before (remember, this is the second time 10.8 has been on, the first time with zero slaves), it schedules it for everything since the last time, and the coalesces them all
# [05:21] <RyanVM> coooool
# [05:22] <philor> yeah, just a few hours of ugly, unless 6 slaves is really all there is and will be
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# [05:27] <Callek> philor: we're working on getting more 10.8 slaves "active", theres many more than 6 to take jobs
# [05:27] <Callek> just the reconfig(s) are takingf orever and a day
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# [05:28] <philor> though since I have to race around to every tree where they run and hide them, slow is better for me, other than the whole stay-up-all-night part
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# [05:37] <@dbaron> philor, um, why?
# [05:37] <@dbaron> philor, do we report being 10.7 on 10.8?
# [05:38] <philor> dbaron: no, but I should have planned ahead for wanting isOSXLionOrHigher, I'm supposed to be an accomplished pessimist
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# [05:39] <@dbaron> MacOSXVersion = (5|6|7|8) ?
# [05:39] <philor> and all of the crash-reporting and applet-leaking things are isOSXLionOrHigher
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# [06:19] <@dbaron> bz, pong
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# [06:19] <@bz> dbaron: I just posted a patch on bug 732209 and asked you and sicking for review
# [06:19] <@bz> dbaron: let me know if you want just sicking to look, or are ok with just looking yourself
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# [06:22] <@bz> dbaron: also, for bug 785713 is there anything to do other than confirming it? ;)
# [06:22] <@bz> dbaron: ok, cool
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# [07:16] <@bz> from a crash-stats report, how do I tell the changeset the build was from?
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# [07:21] <@bz> Checkin comment of the day: "NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG is not an accesskey"
# [07:22] <nthomas> did you figure out the crash question ?
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# [07:24] <nthomas> use the raw dump tab on a report, and scroll down until you get find lines like
# [07:24] <nthomas> 0|4|xul.dll|google_breakpad::ExceptionHandler::WriteMinidumpOnHandlerThread(_EXCEPTION_POINTERS *,MDRawAssertionInfo *)|hg:hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora:toolkit/crashreporter/google-breakpad/src/client/windows/handler/exception_handler.cc:7d9e6b2b9db7|785|0xd
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# [07:24] <nthomas> pick out the 7d9e6b2b9db7 bit
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# [07:44] <@bz> nthomas: thanks!
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# [08:08] * smontagu loves the way you only discover things like "gcc 4.2 support is being dropped" by hunting through bugzilla *after* your build breaks
# [08:10] <philor> clang, clang, wonderful clang...
# [08:10] * smontagu tried installing clang a few months ago and it didn't work
# [08:11] <smontagu> where is there a good "migrating to clang for dummies" guide?
# [08:11] <sawrubh> smontagu: Ehsan's blog post
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# [08:12] <smontagu> is what I used last time
# [08:12] <smontagu> ok, let's have another go
# [08:12] <sawrubh> smontagu: wfm
# [08:12] <sawrubh> smontagu: which platfrom were/are you on ?
# [08:12] <smontagu> osx snow leopard
# [08:13] * sawrubh was on Linux Ubuntu 12.04 and it worked fine
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# [08:16] <@bz> smontagu: this was covered in m.d.platform
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# [08:16] <@bz> smontagu: the dropping of gcc 4.2
# [08:17] <@bz> fwiw, building using the instructions on ehsan's blog worked fine for me
# [08:17] <@bz> on snow leopard
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# [08:17] <@bz> I did put it into a non-default location that came early in my path
# [08:17] <@bz> in case that matters
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# [08:18] <smontagu> bz: it's a shame that there isn't something similar to m.d.platform which contains the things one really needs to know. i can't keep up with m.d. newsgroups any more
# [08:18] <philor> sudo port install clang-3.2 and exporting CC=clang-mp-3.2, CXX=clang++-mp-3.2 worked fine for me
# [08:19] <smontagu> assuming I want to get work done, that is
# [08:20] <philor> .planning has gotten pretty easy to follow, now that everything that used to be discussed there is suddenly being discussed on .platform instead
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# [08:24] <smontagu> philor: where did you get "3.2" from? I don't see that in ehsan's blog post
# [08:24] <philor> smontagu: I got it from "port search clang" plus knowing from bugs that we're constantly updating what we build with, so I probably wanted whatever had the highest number
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# [08:26] <sawrubh> smontagu: I built clang from source.
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# [08:28] <dholbert> bz, ping
# [08:28] <dholbert> bz, (not important, only if you're up for a laugh)
# [08:28] <sawrubh> who looks after making awesome stickers ? are there any ionmonkey stickers that might have been made, something like this : http://imgur.com/P3BdK
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# [08:29] <sawrubh> I would really kill..I mean fix some bugs for it ;)
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# [08:32] <Callek> mac process experts/devs; Q that is baffling me
# [08:32] <Callek> |make buildsymbols| while its running the XUL symbol gen, top shows |88666 dump_syms 0.2 00:06.03 3/1 2 31 51 930M 584K 932M 1108M 3624M 88473 88501 running| where running fluctuates between |stuck| and |running| anything I should read into that meaning of stuck
# [08:33] * Callek doesn't know what the meaning of "stuck" is per this... wio?
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# [08:39] <glandium> smontagu: note that gcc 4.2 is supposed to be supported for ff17, so if it fails to build, that's a bug
# [08:39] <Ms2ger> Trunk, otoh, has been explicitly unsupported yesterday
# [08:39] <smontagu> glandium: it's a deliberate change in bug 784029
# [08:40] <smontagu> and i'm talking trunk
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# [08:47] <dholbert> bz, (you're probably asleep; anyway, the laugh was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786108#c2 )
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# [08:48] <heycam> dholbert, funny ;)
# [08:48] <dholbert> heycam, indeed :)
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# [08:51] <biesi_> dherman, we could revive multi-fragment stirngs! ;)
# [08:51] <biesi_> *strings
# [08:51] <heycam> *dholbert
# [08:51] <biesi_> that too :(
# [08:52] <biesi_> a sign that I really should be asleep. good night.
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# [08:55] <smontagu> sheesh, building from source would have been faster
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# [09:04] <gaston> so 4.2 is definitely dead ?
# [09:05] <Ms2ger> Yep
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# [09:06] <gaston> guess i'll finish my int64_t->prtime crusade first, then dance on its grave too
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# [09:08] <Callek> does mac [10.6] have an equiv to windows drive defrag?
# [09:08] <Callek> and does it actually *help* on mac systems
# [09:09] <gaston> hah, are there plans to also convert nss to stdint types ?
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# [09:12] <ewong> Callek 10.6 doesn't need a defrag (from what I gathered)
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# [09:13] <smontagu> not only might building from source have been faster, it might have actually succeeded :(
# [09:13] <Callek> ewong: I'm thinking when we're paging >1.5GB of RAM on a single process, [if we even just assume that *nothing* else is using RAM] a defrag might help
# [09:13] <Callek> even if not by much
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# [09:14] <Ms2ger> glandium, so, do you have an alternative for nullptr?
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# [09:16] <Ms2ger> Also, anybody got experience with hg-git?
# [09:21] <gaston> ehsan: why was nss excluded from the stdint migration ? now some headers in nss use PRUint64 and some code under security/manager uses uint64_t for the same vars
# [09:21] <gaston> (of course build bombs badly)
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# [09:22] <glandium> Ms2ger: besides testing for compiler versions, no. http://wiki.apache.org/stdcxx/C++0xCompilerSupport
# [09:23] <glandium> ehsan: because nss
# [09:23] <Ms2ger> Boo :(
# [09:23] <gaston> i'm talking about cert_rev_flags_per_method in security/nss/lib/certdb/certt.h used/assigned with the wrong type in security/manager/ssl/src/nsIdentityChecking.cpp
# [09:24] <gaston> thing is, aurora is broken now for me with gcc 4.2, so i'll have to fix that mess anyway
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# [09:39] <Callek> sheriff expect red (one-time) for tegra-349 and up
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# [09:39] <Callek> noticed something bad on that host-machine that I need to fix
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# [09:41] <Ms2ger> Callek, don't worry, no sheriffs around :)
# [09:41] <Callek> Ms2ger: you qualify as a sheriff for answering me -- so great, thanks for telling me not to worry
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# [09:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/08e41d18e1f8 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 761853 - ARIA grid with rowgroup breaks table row/col counting and indices, r=tbsaunde
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# [09:51] <kk1fff> jduell, ping
# [09:51] <jduell> kk1fff: pong
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# [09:51] <jduell> kk1fff: I'm just looking into how we'll notify child process it's offline, in case that's what you're about to ask :)
# [09:53] <kk1fff> jduell, hi, yeah, i am going to ask that.
# [09:53] <jduell> kk1fff: I think I have an answer--it will take some modifications to necko internals...
# [09:53] <jduell> kk1fff: but fairly simple for you, once I have an API
# [09:54] <kk1fff> jduell, so the modification will be on channel?
# [09:55] <jduell> kk1fff: actually, we currently only have a global switch, in nsIIOService.offline
# [09:55] <jduell> if you set it to 'false', the whole browser thinks it's now offline.
# [09:55] <jduell> We need to change it to take appIDs and only act offline for appIDs we've given it
# [09:56] <jduell> I *think* that might be enough to make it all work :)
# [09:56] <kk1fff> jduell, wow...it looks like to be a complex task
# [09:57] <jduell> kk1fff: might not be too bad. Ultimately it's just a hashtable of AppIds for which we're offline.
# [09:57] <jduell> Unless there are places where we behave badly when we break the global on/off assumption
# [09:59] <jduell> kk1fff: got to go---I'll update the bug tomorrow with some plans, or at least ideas
# [09:59] <kk1fff> jduell, ok, thanks.
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# [10:14] <Ms2ger> Callek, ... also, I belatedly deny qualifying as a sheriff
# [10:15] <edmorley> $ hg up -r tip
# [10:15] <edmorley> abort: case-folding collision between accessible/src/base/filters.cpp and accessible/src/base/Filters.cpp
# [10:15] <edmorley> ?!
# [10:16] <edmorley> and good morning Ms2ger :-)
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# [10:16] <gaston> candidate is: virtual nsresult nsNavHistory::RemoveVisitsByTimeframe(int64_t, int64_t)
# [10:16] <Ms2ger> Morning, edmorley :)
# [10:16] <gaston> ; ;
# [10:16] <heycam> so in new mochitests, we're not meant to use enablePrivilege("UniversalXPConnect"). is there a way I can synthesise mouse events without having to add this functionality to special powers?
# [10:16] <gaston> damn you PRTime!
# [10:16] <Ms2ger> edmorley, "sheriff expect red (one-time) for tegra-349 and up"
# [10:16] <edmorley> ta :-)
# [10:17] <Ms2ger> heycam, something from http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/tests/SimpleTest/EventUtils.js ?
# [10:17] <heycam> Ms2ger, ah they don't need UniversalXPConnect?
# [10:18] <Ms2ger> I see SpecialPowers mentioned in there, so I suppose not
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# [10:18] <heycam> Ms2ger, ah yes, great thanks
# [10:18] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [10:23] <edmorley> any mercurial gurus around?
# [10:24] <edmorley> context: the error just introduced on inbound tip (http://kdbdallas.com/2008/12/23/fix-mercurial-case-folding-collisions/)
# [10:25] <smontagu> so can I just go on using my xcode firefox project transparently after going from gcc to clang, or do I need to change stuff?
# [10:26] <Ms2ger> I guess you can
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# [10:26] <Ms2ger> Need to clobber, though
# [10:27] <edmorley> Please may someone on an OS with a case-sensitive filesystem please back out bug 761853
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# [10:27] <edmorley> 08e41d18e1f8, inbound
# [10:28] <edmorley> if that doesn't work, we'll need to strip inbound again
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# [10:29] <glazou> bonjour
# [10:31] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [10:32] <Ms2ger> edmorley, have you closed?
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# [10:32] <edmorley> no
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# [10:34] <Ms2ger> Backed out
# [10:34] <Ms2ger> edmorley, ^
# [10:34] <edmorley> Ms2ger: thank you
# [10:34] <Ms2ger> Np
# [10:35] <edmorley> hg up -r tip wfm now :-)
# [10:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/70ade35f8130 - Ms2ger - Backed out changeset 08e41d18e1f8 for a case-folding collision.
# [10:35] <edmorley> so would seem I just can't go to that revision, rather than not being able to move past it at all (phew :-))
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# [10:36] <darktrojan> huh that's interesting
# [10:36] <darktrojan> stupid case folding OS
# [10:36] <Ms2ger> *Stupid OS
# [10:36] <darktrojan> ^
# [10:38] <heycam> why is the mochitest template so… big
# [10:38] <smontagu> ok, built clang from source, lots of lovely new errors
# [10:38] * heycam wonders if all of it is really necessary
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# [10:39] <Ms2ger> heycam, use testharness.js instead ;)
# [10:40] <heycam> Ms2ger, will testharness.js let me send mouse events? :)
# [10:40] <smontagu> reams and reams of /Users/smontagu/mozwork/hgtree/mozilla/media/libtheora/lib/x86/sse2idct.c:401:5: error: invalid operand in inline asm:
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# [10:40] <Ms2ger> heycam, mm, you can use EventUtils, but that kinda defeats the point
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# [10:41] <NeilAway> edmorley--
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# [10:42] <edmorley> NeilAway: for using a case in-sensitive OS I presume? :P
# [10:43] <NeilAway> edmorley: no, for using a backout to fix your repo
# [10:44] <glob> :|
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# [10:45] <NeilAway> edmorley: as the person who renamed IENUMFE.CPP to fix its case, I can tell you that it was entirely unnecessary :-P
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# [10:52] <edmorley> NeilAway: you could have spoken up when I asked if anyone knew about that error... :P
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# [10:52] <NeilAway> edmorley: sorry, I was still reading scrollback
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# [10:53] <edmorley> NeilAway: it's ok, I was only joking :-)
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# [10:53] <edmorley> the search results for that error were less than helpful - and I was concerned that if there was not an easy fix (and we had to strip inbound), then the longer we left it, the more of a PITA that would be
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# [10:55] <edmorley> why mercurial cannot handle something as simple as a file rename changing the case (I'd understand if there were actually two files present at the same time, that differed only in case), is beyond me
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# [11:03] <glandium> edmorley: are you on mac?
# [11:03] <glandium> or on windows, for that matter
# [11:03] <edmorley> glandium: win7 atm
# [11:04] <glandium> edmorley: somehow, i'm not surprised
# [11:04] <glandium> changing the case of files would need special handling on windows and mac
# [11:04] <edmorley> glandium: yeah me neither
# [11:05] <edmorley> but there are detailed blog posts dating as far back as 2008 on how to use mercurial debug mode to manually change XYZ to try and get past the error on Windows
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# [11:05] <edmorley> so one would have hoped it would have been fixed since then
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# [11:06] <gaston> error: invalid static_cast from type 'PRTime*' to type 'int64_t*'
# [11:06] <gaston> damn
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# [11:06] <ewong> edmorley: ping
# [11:06] <gaston> when there are no functions to deal with prtimes i'm forced to cast them, right ?
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# [11:10] <edmorley> ewong: hi :-)
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# [11:11] <ewong> edmorley: hi.. wrt bug #749110 I got a r+ from mbrubeck.. do I put a checkin-needed?
# [11:13] <edmorley> ewong: I'll quickly test and land it for you now :-)
# [11:13] <ewong> edmorley: thanks!
# [11:13] * Ms2ger likes
# [11:13] <Ms2ger> Been there, done that, etc. ;)
# [11:15] <Ms2ger> ewong, but cuddle else, dammit ;)
# [11:16] <ewong> cuddle else??
# [11:16] <Ms2ger> } else {
# [11:16] <ewong> Oooooh
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# [11:16] <edmorley> ewong: yeah I'd just updated that loically
# [11:16] <edmorley> locally
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# [11:17] <ewong> edmorley: is it ok?
# [11:17] <edmorley> ewong: yeah works great - I've just popped the else { on the same line as the closing }
# [11:17] <ewong> edmorley: thanks!
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# [11:20] <edmorley> ewong: np :-)
# [11:20] <edmorley> ewong: thank you for the patch! :-D
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# [11:21] <ewong> edmorley: anytime.. :)
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# [11:27] <ewong> edmorley: so it's not Resolved-Fixed until it hits production right?
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# [11:28] <edmorley> ewong: yeah (sometimes I close early if it's say only a readme/vagrant change, since it doesn't do anything more once it hits prod)
# [11:28] <ewong> edmorley: ok. thanks for the clarification..
# [11:29] <edmorley> NeilAway: the build slaves didn't like it either https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14769444&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [11:29] <edmorley> though not surprising I suppose
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# [11:34] <ewong> edmorley also, is bug #769446 ok?
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# [11:35] <edmorley> ewong: just testing now
# [11:35] <NeilAway> edmorley: well, their source could have been clobbered and recloned
# [11:36] <mib_vt7ni2> hii i have downloaded the code and built it and tested it .. using "python runtests.py --a11y --autorun" command.. it stops at test no :4350 and doesnt go further ....
# [11:36] <mib_vt7ni2> i am testing mozilla-inbound code..
# [11:38] <mib_vt7ni2> actually it failed
# [11:38] <mib_vt7ni2> there
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# [11:41] <mib_vt7ni2> guys can someone help me pls..
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# [12:03] <ewong> edmorley thanks.. I've added a new patch for bug #656155..
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# [12:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/98a07ac71ddc - Mark Capella - Bug 779642 - Scratchpad Line numbers don't line up, r=robcee
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# [12:44] <capella> Doesn;t like that blue stuff
# [12:44] <mib_vt7ni2> hii i have downloaded the code and built it and tested it .. using "python runtests.py --a11y --autorun" command.. it faisl at test no :4350 any idea guys ??
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# [12:45] <mib_vt7ni2> hi capella
# [12:45] <mib_vt7ni2> can u help me ?
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# [12:46] <capella> i can try but im kinda in the middle of something else here
# [12:46] <mib_vt7ni2> k pls ping me after you are done ...
# [12:50] <capella> ah nice ... blue is self healing ...
# [12:51] <nthomas> mib_vt7ni2: you could also try #accessibility
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# [13:41] <Yoric> janv: Is there a bug# for sync FileHandle for workers?
# [13:41] <Yoric> janv: Also, since we already have sync OS.File for workers, would there be interest in implementing FileHandle on top of OS.File?
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# [13:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1a3111e8b478 - Christian Holler - Bug 779560 - Revert worker stack limit in ASan builds to default state. r=bent
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# [14:01] <janv> Yoric: there's no bug filed for FileHandle in workers
# [14:01] <Yoric> ok
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# [14:01] <Yoric> Where would such a bug go?
# [14:02] <janv> DOM
# [14:02] <Yoric> I mean, main thread FileHandle is placed in IndexDB, isn't this a bit strange?
# [14:02] <Yoric> ok
# [14:02] <janv> no
# [14:02] <janv> because the current impl only supports IDB
# [14:02] <Yoric> ok
# [14:03] <janv> Does OS.File support reading/writting to a file ?
# [14:03] <Yoric> Indeed.
# [14:03] <Yoric> Out of the box, it consumes/produces ArrayBuffer.
# [14:03] <janv> ah
# [14:03] <janv> looking
# [14:04] <janv> hmm
# [14:06] <Yoric> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript_OS.File for (almost up-to-date) documentation
# [14:06] <janv> yeah
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# [14:08] <janv> FileHandle is intended for content
# [14:08] <janv> with restricted privileges
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# [14:08] <Yoric> OS.File can certainly not be used as such in place of FileHandle
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# [14:08] <Yoric> as it does not have *any* security
# [14:08] <janv> so
# [14:09] <Yoric> However, OS.File + a security layer might be sufficient for FileHandle.
# [14:09] <janv> FileHandle would provide only the automatic locking
# [14:09] <janv> yeah
# [14:09] <janv> maybe
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# [14:41] <jimm> is there a faq posted someplace on using in-tree Pymake?
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# [14:43] <edmorley> jimm: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/pymake
# [14:45] <edmorley> how do I watch an MDN page? after the switch to kuma I can't seem to work out how...
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# [14:46] <smontagu> pastebin.mozilla.org/1780463
# [14:46] <smontagu> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1780463
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# [14:48] <decoder> espindola: ping?
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# [14:49] <espindola> decoder, pong
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# [14:50] <decoder> espindola: im trying to debug an xpcshell test under asan but breaking on __asan_report_error doesnt seem to have any effect (error gets reported but the breakpoint just doesnt trigger)
# [14:50] <decoder> i was wondering if that could have anything to do with the recent problems you described
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# [14:50] <jimm> hmm, I thought "in-tree" meant we could finally get rid of the python and pymake path references.
# [14:50] <jimm> and just type 'pymake'
# [14:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd551da155fb - Dan Shearmur - Bug 527459 - Tests for paddings specified in percent on text inputs. r=bz
# [14:51] <espindola> decoder, maybe. Add a static constructor to XUL that calls printf
# [14:51] <espindola> and see if it is being loaded twice
# [14:51] <@ted> jimm: it's been in-tree for a while
# [14:51] <@ted> but we've never supported anything like that
# [14:51] <@ted> i guess we could add a $topsrcdir/pymake command
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# [14:52] <jimm> was asking because the channel topic seems to imply changes were made.
# [14:53] <jimm> maybe that's been there for a while and I just didn't notice.
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# [14:53] <@ted> ah
# [14:53] <@ted> we've had a copy checked-in for quite some time
# [14:54] <@ted> i think the point is just that if you're using pymake from a separate hg clone, you might not have updated it
# [14:54] <jimm> gotcha
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# [14:55] <decoder> espindola: hah, interesting, when I start the xpcshell test with gdb (instead of using check-interactive + attaching with gdb), it works
# [14:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/468a7e985d82 - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 786148 - s/IPC/ipc/. r=ted.
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# [14:56] <espindola> !
# [14:56] <@bsmedberg> blech. zazzle says that I can't make a poster with a photo of Neil Armstrong walking on the moon because "* Design contains text or image that is in violation of an individual’s rights of celebrity/publicity. * Design contains an image or text that may be subject to copyright. * Your design contains an image or text that may be trademarked."
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# [14:58] <smontagu> bsmedberg: does copyright law apply on the moon?
# [14:58] <@bsmedberg> the photo is a product of the U.S. government, and therefore not subject to copyright
# [14:59] <@ted> surely the image was produced by NASA and thus is not under copyright
# [14:59] <@bsmedberg> And right-of-celebrity can't really apply, can it? This is a notable historic event.
# [14:59] <aja> crop out the golf club
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# [15:03] <decoder> espindola: gah. I hate it that asan + debug info still doesnt play nicely.. http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=11818
# [15:03] <decoder> doesnt seem to be an asan-only bug though
# [15:04] <espindola> decoder, it is more llvm + current gdb
# [15:04] <espindola> there is lots to be done on that area
# [15:04] <decoder> okay. yea kcc said he can reproduce it even without asan using -mstackrealign
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# [15:05] <decoder> my problem is that I cannot inspect most variables in gdb.. makes it painful to debug asan failures
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# [15:05] <Cwiiis> Did anyone here suffer from bug 785626 and can easily reproduce it?
# [15:06] <espindola> decoder, cced myself, but don't expect I will have time to work on it any time soon
# [15:06] <Cwiiis> Asa, perhaps?
# [15:06] <decoder> espindola: okay thx anyway though =)
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# [15:06] <espindola> exit(0) and the socorro issue are higher priority
# [15:07] <decoder> sure =)
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# [15:07] <@ted> espindola: by the socorro issue you mean the C++ function names?
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# [15:08] <espindola> ted, yes
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# [15:10] <@ted> ah
# [15:10] <@ted> i should dig up the old code of mine that jimb ripped out
# [15:10] <@ted> can't remember where it lived :-/
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# [15:12] <@ted> hum
# [15:12] <@ted> maybe it's still there, it just got broken?
# [15:12] <@ted> http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/source/browse/trunk/src/common/dwarf/functioninfo.cc#155
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# [15:21] <@ted> espindola: http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/source/browse/trunk/src/common/dwarf_cu_to_module.cc#429 maybe just needs to use that mangled name?
# [15:22] <@ted> ah yeah
# [15:22] <@ted> http://code.google.com/p/google-breakpad/source/detail?r=302&path=/trunk/src/common/mac/dwarf/functioninfo.cc
# [15:22] <@ted> was my original patch
# [15:22] <@ted> but it was when we were only using that code on mac
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# [15:22] <@ted> i think when jimb rewrote this all it just didn't get accounted for
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# [15:28] <edmorley> ted: for fail on warnings, this patch uses immediate definition (ie :=) rather than deferred (=) like rest. Is this optimal in times of performance, and if so, should we convert the rest? https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a3c81ae4cabb#l10.12
# [15:29] <@ted> anything that's assigning a constant value ought to use :=
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# [15:29] <@ted> it's simpler
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# [15:33] <kaie> If I just completed a full try build with mozilla-central equivalent tests, I don't need to go to inbound, I can land in mozilla-central immediately, right?
# [15:33] <Cwiiis> kaie, I don't think so...?
# [15:34] <kaie> Cwiiis, no? that's why I'm checking. if I should always go to inbound, I'll do that
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# [15:34] <Cwiiis> kaie, someone more knowledgeable than me should answer, but I'd have thought you should always land on inbound - it'd make merging a pain otherwise (amongst other reasons)
# [15:35] <Yoric> Oh great, I pulled and it doesn't build.
# [15:35] <Yoric> again
# [15:35] <Cwiiis> you don't know if something on inbound might cause problems on top of your build too
# [15:35] <Standard8> kaie: rules are displayed on tbpl
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# [15:35] <Standard8> "If you don't want to watch your push, push to inbound instead."
# [15:35] <Yoric> Is there any reason jstypedarray.cpp would have stopped building today?
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# [15:35] <Standard8> although I think there's some more somewhere
# [15:35] <Standard8> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules/Inbound
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# [15:39] <@bsmedberg> I need a C++ expert in unsigned/signed overflow and type conversion...
# [15:39] <smontagu> Yoric: yes
# [15:39] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: is that you?
# [15:39] <smontagu> bug 784029
# [15:39] <Yoric> smontagu: Thanks
# [15:39] <NeilAway> edmorley--
# [15:40] <Yoric> So what should I do, import that patch?
# [15:40] <RyanVM> kaie: In general, landing directly on m-c is discouraged
# [15:40] <Yoric> Or switch to clang?
# [15:40] <@bsmedberg> kaie: yes, you can land on -central, but you need to watch the tree carefully
# [15:40] <smontagu> Yoric: switch to clang
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# [15:40] <edmorley> NeilAway: what now?
# [15:40] <kaie> thanks for the clarication everyone
# [15:40] <@bsmedberg> kaie: if you land in -inbound you don't have to do that so much
# [15:40] <kaie> vi
# [15:40] <NeilAway> edmorley: your bugname is wrong :-P
# [15:40] <Yoric> smontagu: Which version of clang do I need?
# [15:40] * NeilAway hopes kaie has vi aliased to vim
# [15:40] <kaie> clari-vi-cation
# [15:40] <edmorley> NeilAway: I'd intentionally left it for half a day to save having to explain the delays in replies etc
# [15:41] <RyanVM> Yoric: Have you talked to any startupcache experts with respect to bug 785828?
# [15:41] <edmorley> NeilAway--
# [15:41] <edmorley> for being in a grumpy mood today :P
# [15:41] <Yoric> RyanVM: Somewhat, why?
# [15:41] <smontagu> Yoric: I don't know what version you *need* as such, I just followed http://ehsanakhgari.org/blog/2011-10-18/why-you-should-switch-clang-today-and-how
# [15:41] <NeilAway> edmorley: and you're encouraging it :-P
# [15:41] <edmorley> ;-)
# [15:41] <Yoric> RyanVM: Actually as part of bug 785102, which spawned that bug.
# [15:41] <RyanVM> Yoric: Just wanted to make sure, because the bug comments are....concerning :)
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# [15:41] <smontagu> ehsan or espindola would give more informed feedback ;-)
# [15:42] <RyanVM> Yoric: OK
# [15:42] <Yoric> smontagu: Thanks :)
# [15:42] <Yoric> RyanVM: One of the (irc) replies by one of the persons who last edited the startup cache (I think it was glandium) was that we probably should get rid of the startup cache altogether.
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# [15:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c9e473186b60 - Kai Engert - Bug 783974, Log SSL errors to the error console, v9, mostly r=bsmith
# [15:43] <RyanVM> Yoric: I'm just imagining the "Why in the world did this land?" comments afterwards
# [15:43] <RyanVM> Yoric: But if they're on board, we're good
# [15:43] <smontagu> Yoric: and if you already have a clang, make sure that the new clang is before it in your path
# [15:43] <Yoric> RyanVM: Well, the patch makes sense anyway. But it doesn't remove the original startup cache wtf.
# [15:44] <Yoric> smontagu: It has to be in the path?
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# [15:45] <smontagu> Yoric: not sure. |export CC=/full/path/to/clang| in .mozconfig might work
# [15:45] <Topal> marcoz: hey there, say, do you know if there is any person or group I can talk to about accessibility considerations with mozilla websites?
# [15:45] <smontagu> and ditto for CXX/clang++
# [15:45] <RyanVM> Yoric: OK, I just didn't want to inadvertently ignite a controversy by landing that. Sounds like you've got your bases covered, so we're good.
# [15:46] <Topal> marcoz: we are currently changing to the new mozilla theme on SUMO and it seems like there are no accessibility guidelines that we can adhere to.
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# [15:46] <Yoric> RyanVM: Thanks.
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# [15:50] <espindola> smontagu, on?
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# [15:50] <smontagu> ?
# [15:50] <espindola> what should I give more informed feedback on? :-)
# [15:51] <smontagu> espindola: switching to clang
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# [15:53] <marcoz> Topal: The authority for web accessibility in general is the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines v2.0 (WCAG 2.0) from the W3C.
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# [15:53] <espindola> smontagu, it is done. I normally use the current open source version
# [15:53] <espindola> but the one in xcode 4.4 should work too
# [15:53] <marcoz> Topal: Some web dev agencies make their money almost solely from testing and advising on site accessibility by following these guidelines for A, AA, and triple-A validation.
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# [15:55] <Yoric> smontagu: Build in progress.
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# [15:56] <Yoric> espindola: I am using 3.2, is that ok?
# [15:56] <marcoz> Topal: But I'm sure our web devs can figure things out without an expensive third-party agency. :) It's a not so trivial set of guidelines, esp for triple-A conformance, and nobody would blame us if we went for double-A only. :)
# [15:56] <espindola> Yoric, should be
# [15:56] <Yoric> thanks
# [15:56] <Yoric> Build in progress.
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# [15:57] <espindola> btw, we can also start dropping support for 10.5, right?
# [15:57] <espindola> now that we branched
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# [15:57] <Topal> marcoz: yeah, I was basically interested in whether we already have guidelines, like being double A compatible with WCAG. Do you know about that? Or do you know who I should be talking to? Is the accessibility team also testing our websites, or only installed products?
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# [15:58] <Topal> marcoz: Lot's of questions, sorry :)
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# [16:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8d05b90e80a0 - Mark Finkle - bug 776185 - ANDROID_VERSION_CODE needs to be based off MOZ_BUILD_DATE r=blassey a=lsblakk
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# [16:01] <marcoz> Topal: I do not know if there is any official guideline, davidb might know. And the accessibility team also tests web sites, or draws on community help for it if our resources are a bit stretched. Moreover, I myself cannot test for everything, like visible keyboard focus when tabbing through a page, for example.
# [16:02] <davidb> we're working on guidelines… but in the interim...
# [16:02] <davidb> http://webaim.org/standards/wcag/checklist
# [16:02] <davidb> MarcoZ, Topal ^
# [16:02] <nemo> So. I've decided ranting about the trimurl is unproductive. and I do use test profiles a hell of a lot. If people are going to insist on trimming this and not using the opera syntax which is a lot more bug free... I guess I should file bugs on it whenever it yields a url without an http, even if my selection was all the way to the left?
# [16:02] <marcoz> davidb: Thanks!
# [16:02] <davidb> np
# [16:03] <nemo> I mean. I guess that's the general case that should always work with trimurl?
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# [16:04] <Topal> davidb: you do? great! The sumo team was thinking about starting work in that area. But it makes sense to look into that from a bigger perspective. I can offer a collaboration with the SUMO team though.
# [16:04] <Topal> davidb: Since we are moving to the new One Mozilla theme that eventually others are going to adopt, we are hitting a lot of issues first
# [16:04] <davidb> excellent
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# [16:10] <GPHemsley> What directory do I have to build to get Nightly.app to pick up my code changes? (Apparently it's not browser/)
# [16:10] <GPHemsley> (code is C++)
# [16:12] <@bsmedberg> GPHemsley: what code did you change?
# [16:12] <GPHemsley> netwerk/protocol/http/
# [16:12] <GPHemsley> bsmedberg: ^
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# [16:13] <@bsmedberg> that directory, toolkit/library and maybe browser/app
# [16:13] <GPHemsley> ah, haven't been building toolkit
# [16:13] <@bsmedberg> gotta make libxul ;-)
# [16:13] <GPHemsley> :)
# [16:14] <GPHemsley> one day I'll remember everything at the same time
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# [16:15] <NeilAway> GPHemsley: just be glad you don't have to make in netwerk/build any more
# [16:15] <GPHemsley> :)
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# [16:19] <GPHemsley> NeilAway: Even better than that: my code works! ;)
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# [16:20] <@ted> GPHemsley: one day we'll fix the build system so that you don't have to think about workarounds
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# [16:21] <@ted> mike shal's tup work is pretty interesting
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# [16:23] <GPHemsley> How do I get/set the value of a preference from within an xpcshell test?
# [16:23] <ewong> edmorley: ping
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# [16:24] <edmorley> ewong: hi :-)
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# [16:24] <ewong> edmorley: hi there! just wondering.. is bug #748855 worth attempting?
# [16:24] <decoder> whats the right function to output debug logging stuff to stderr ?
# [16:25] <nemo> eh. I decided to file it anyway, since at least it lets me get my frustrations out too
# [16:25] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786260
# [16:25] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786268
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# [16:25] <ewong> edmorley: of course.. purely theoretical as I dunno if I'll be able to do it.. but I guess I can try :)
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# [16:26] <edmorley> ewong: it would be a great win for sheriffs, but I'm just taking a look to see if there are any obvious obstacles
# [16:27] <ewong> edmorley: thanks! I'm not exactly sure what's involved tbh.. looks like an interesting bug
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# [16:39] <froydnj> RyanVM: do you ever sleep? (and if you do, do you have nightmares about burning trees?)
# [16:40] <glandium> froydnj: he counts reds to fall asleep
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# [16:41] <RyanVM> froydnj: I'm EDT. Just home from work today
# [16:42] <Mossop> bent: ping
# [16:42] <bent> Mossop, hi
# [16:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/01c626bb5af9 - Ehsan Akhgari - Remove two unused variables, no bug
# [16:42] <Mossop> bent: Did you actually test that ChromeWorker works from an add-on's bootstrap.js after you fixed bug 649537?
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# [16:43] <froydnj> glandium: he's been sleeping well the last two weeks, then!
# [16:43] <Callek> froydnj: where you *live* and what hours you're up/around can vary drastically
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# [16:43] <bent> Mossop, we should be running http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/workers/test/extensions/bootstrap/bootstrap.js?force=1
# [16:43] <froydnj> Callek: sure
# [16:43] <Callek> lately I'm on ~Alaskan or Hawaii timezone body/mentally, while I am physically ET
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# [16:44] <bent> Mossop, hm, it makes a worker and runs it
# [16:45] <bent> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/workers/test/extensions/bootstrap/bootstrap.js?force=1#39
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# [16:45] <RyanVM> froydnj: yeah, pretty much. It's something I do in the evenings
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# [16:45] <GPHemsley> What does this error mean? "Component returned failure code: 0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]"
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# [16:45] <Mossop> bent: Oh nm, the guy who was seeing hte problem found the issue. Though that test creates a Worker but not a ChromeWorker, dunno if there is much different
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# [16:45] <bent> there shouldn't be
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# [16:46] <bent> Mossop, if the test isn't doing what it's supposed to do we should fix it, but i think it's doing the right thing
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# [16:51] <ewong> edmorley: might you know where the drag code is? (I'm hoping it isn't in the jquery-ui-drag.js file..)
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# [16:52] <Mossop> bent: Yeah I think we're good, there was more going on than I thought
# [16:52] <bent> ok
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# [16:53] <Callek> ewong: well jquery-ui-drag is a framework for draggable code, which we'll have our hooks/info elsewhere
# [16:53] <Callek> ewong: see-also: http://jqueryui.com/demos/draggable/
# [16:53] <edmorley> ewong: sorry was just looking at that other bug you asked about
# [16:53] <ewong> Callek thanks! I'm glad it's not in there
# [16:53] <edmorley> ewong: specifically which part of tbpl dragging were you meaning?
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# [16:54] <ewong> edmorley: right now.. pending builds aren't 'dragable'
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# [16:54] <ewong> errr maybe I'm getting a bit complicated...
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# [16:57] <catlee> ehsan: should --enable-profiling be on or off for beta builds?
# [16:57] <ewong> edmorley: ok.. I'll keep my options open :)
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# [17:00] <@ehsan> catlee: off
# [17:00] <@ehsan> catlee: it should only be on for nightly
# [17:01] <@ehsan> catlee: which reminds me, I should have added it to the merge steps/scripts :(
# [17:01] <catlee> ehsan: ok, also for aurora?
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# [17:01] <@ehsan> catlee: on for nightly, off for everything else
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# [17:02] <@ehsan> catlee: where is the list of merge steps stored these days?
# [17:02] <catlee> ehsan: not sure...maybe lsblakk knows?
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# [17:02] <@ehsan> lsblakk: ping
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# [17:02] <lsblakk> ehsan: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Merge_Documentation
# [17:02] <@ehsan> catlee: sorry that I dropped the ball on that
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# [17:02] <@ehsan> lsblakk: can I just edit that page?
# [17:02] <lsblakk> ehsan: yes
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# [17:03] <@ehsan> catlee: you're editing the in-tree mozconfigs, right?
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# [17:04] <@ehsan> hrm
# [17:04] <edmorley> ewong: have replied in-bug
# [17:04] <catlee> ehsan: I'm not touching them
# [17:05] <ewong> edmorley: thanks!
# [17:05] <catlee> ehsan: we use the 'release' mozconfigs
# [17:05] <catlee> so our pre-release tests bombed out on the difference between release and nightly
# [17:05] <@ehsan> catlee: so I think I remembered why I did not update the merge documentation... --enable-profiling only occurs in nightly mozconfigs, which are only used for Nightly m-c builds, right?
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# [17:06] <@ehsan> catlee: we do test builds without --enable-profiling on the "profiling" branch to make sure that doesn't affect uplifts
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# [17:06] <catlee> ehsan: the 'nightly' mozconfig is used by all dep and nightly builds on all branches
# [17:06] <catlee> not just m-c
# [17:06] <catlee> so aurora builds have it too
# [17:06] <ewong> edmorley: heh.. I got the first comment done :)
# [17:06] <@ehsan> catlee: oh, I didn't know that
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# [17:07] <@ehsan> catlee: in that case I'll remove them from aurora, and update the merge docs
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# [17:07] <@ehsan> lsblakk: a=you on that?
# [17:07] <@ehsan> lsblakk: (also on beta just to be safe)
# [17:07] <lsblakk> ehsan: yes
# [17:08] <lsblakk> ehsan: does this affect our beta 1? or just builds pre-checkin?
# [17:08] <@ehsan> lsblakk: I think catlee said they use a different mozconfig for the beta builds
# [17:08] <catlee> yeah, they use the 'release' mozconfig
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# [17:09] <catlee> this just came up in our release_sanity mozconfig check
# [17:09] <catlee> so the release mozconfig looks fine
# [17:09] <ewong> edmorley: thanks for the comments.. will try to figure it out, if possible.. though it sounds a tad bit hairy..
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# [17:11] <@ehsan> catlee: cool
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# [17:14] <Optimizer> how much faster does this command ( mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-j4" ) makes the build process ?
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# [17:16] <IanN> Optimizer: depends on your processor(s)
# [17:16] <Optimizer> i7 ivy bridge
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# [17:17] <Optimizer> 4 processors with HT
# [17:17] <gcp> between 3-4 times
# [17:17] <gcp> closer to 3 :P
# [17:17] <Optimizer> nice :)
# [17:17] <gcp> the build is fairly parallel
# [17:17] <IanN> yeah, should be something like that
# [17:17] <gcp> depends on your disk speed too, of course
# [17:17] <Optimizer> and how much time ?
# [17:17] <Optimizer> disk is almost empty with 5400 rpm
# [17:17] <Optimizer> 8 gb ram
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# [17:17] <gcp> depends on which i7, but IIRC 12-20 minutes depending on what you build
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# [17:17] <gcp> that's for a fully clean build with ccache
# [17:17] <Optimizer> the latest i7
# [17:17] <IanN> better than my Core 2 Duo
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# [17:18] <gcp> IIRC, using -j8 doesn't help on a machine with HT
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# [17:18] <gcp> at least not in a VM
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# [17:18] <gcp> a real machine might still win a bit with that
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# [17:18] <Optimizer> how much can I do ?
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# [17:18] <Optimizer> j6 ?
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# [17:18] <gcp> I'd keep it at -j4 and enjoy the fact that the machine stays very responsive even when you're compiling
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# [17:19] <gcp> so you don't have to do this in the mean time: http://xkcd.com/303/
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# [17:19] <Optimizer> heh
# [17:19] <@ehsan> catlee: lsblakk: does this look good? https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Release_Management/Merge_Documentation#Disable_profiling
# [17:19] <Optimizer> I can confirm that it is parallel as all my processors are getting equally loaded
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# [17:19] <gcp> rebuilding after changing a few files is typically 1-2 mins
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# [17:20] <Optimizer> btw, I am building with j4 and alongside playing the bannanabread webgl game too
# [17:20] <Optimizer> :P
# [17:20] <Optimizer> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/detail/bananabread
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# [17:24] <@ehsan> lsblakk: I removed profiling on both aurora and beta
# [17:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/87a36e6132f2 - Ehsan Akhgari - Disable profiling on Beta, no bug, a=lsblakk
# [17:25] <baku> jorendorff, I have a question about transferable objects and JSAutoStructuredCloneBuffer. I'm going to implement the transferable objects in workers.
# [17:25] <jorendorff> ok
# [17:25] <baku> jorendorff, this means that we share the 'content' of an ArrayBuffer from a worker to parent without copying it
# [17:26] <baku> the current implementation (without transferable object) is based on JSAutoStructuredClonebuffer
# [17:26] <baku> but this object 'copies' the content.
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# [17:26] <jorendorff> right
# [17:26] <baku> so I'm adding a new method to this object
# [17:26] <jorendorff> baku: It gives "correct" behavior, but slow, is that correct?
# [17:26] <baku> exactly
# [17:27] <baku> not really the correct behavior
# [17:27] <baku> because when a worker transfers an array buffer
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# [17:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c4e1ca772267 - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for firefox 16.0b1 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
# [17:27] <baku> the content array buffer is not longer accessible
# [17:27] <baku> from the worker.
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# [17:27] <jorendorff> baku: ok
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# [17:28] <baku> the 'ownership' has been transfered to the parent thread.
# [17:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c447eff920db - Lucas Rocha - Bug 778582 (r=mfinkle)
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# [17:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/145fedfb046a - Lucas Rocha - Bug 778582 (r=mfinkle)
# [17:28] <jorendorff> baku: that makes sense.
# [17:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/fb82476d8520 - ffxbld - Added FENNEC_16_0b1_RELEASE FENNEC_16_0b1_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 5558ddeee090. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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# [17:28] <baku> ok... so, what I'm doing is: I'm implementing a new method for the JSAutoStructuredCloneBuffer
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# [17:28] <baku> where I share a list of 'objects' that I want to have transfered
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# [17:29] <baku> let me show why with an example. The specs says that I can do this:
# [17:29] <baku> var ar = new ArrayBuffer(1);
# [17:29] <jorendorff> baku: I thought we already did some object-transferring stuff using the structured cloning code
# [17:29] <baku> postMessage( { foo: ar, bar: "hello world"}, [ ar ] );
# [17:29] <jorendorff> i don't remember who would know about it though
# [17:29] <baku> jorendorff, I didn't find anything about...
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# [17:30] <GPHemsley> Are preferences not available in xpcshell tests?
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# [17:30] <@smaug> jorendorff: bent would know, but afaik we don't do any transfering
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# [17:30] <jorendorff> ok
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# [17:31] <baku> ok.. so what I'm doing is a new method
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# [17:31] <jorendorff> baku: go on with the example? i thought the second argument to postMessage was supposed to be the target domain or something
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# [17:31] <sfink> not yet, but I have a patch that implements the base transferring. Still have to hook it up to structured clone or whatever else is supposed to trigger it.
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# [17:31] <baku> jorendorff, that last argument is an array of 'transferable' objects
# [17:32] <jorendorff> Huh. So, that's JS code that a program could execute?
# [17:32] <jorendorff> And this is the proposed behavior of postMessage in the HTML spec?
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# [17:32] <baku> this is a proposed behavior but not for postMessage
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# [17:32] <baku> actually it's for something else :)
# [17:32] <baku> it's for postSyncMessage
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# [17:33] <baku> that is something new. this sends a synchronous message to the parent thread.
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# [17:33] <@smaug> transferring should work with postMessage too
# [17:33] <@smaug> what is different with sync?
# [17:33] <@ted> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/web-messaging.html#dom-window-postmessage
# [17:33] <@ted> interesting
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# [17:34] <baku> smaug && ted you are right
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# [17:35] <baku> I'm still studying how to implement this feature.
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# [17:35] <jorendorff> baku: ok sorry
# [17:35] <baku> and I was wondering if the best way to do it is to implmenet it in the JSAutoStructuredCloneBuffer object.
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# [17:35] <sfink> I will be landing the JSAPI calls for transferable ArrayBuffers today
# [17:35] <jorendorff> baku: let me look a bit
# [17:35] <jorendorff> err, never mind that, talk to sfink!
# [17:35] <sfink> bug 720949
# [17:36] <baku> sfink, yep I'm already using that patch
# [17:36] <edmorley> philor: are you about? :-)
# [17:36] <sfink> ah, ok
# [17:36] <baku> but this doesn't implement the strucutred buffer part... is it?
# [17:36] <sfink> though that patch has 2 serious problems
# [17:36] <philor> edmorley: yep
# [17:36] <sfink> no, it doesn't do the structured buffer stuff, just the base-level JSAPI calls
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# [17:37] <edmorley> philor: for bug 786116, do you have a preference as to letter used to represent the new test, or position in the UI?
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# [17:37] <baku> ok, sfink does it make sense that I do this structured buffer stuff on top of that patch?
# [17:37] <sfink> yes
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# [17:37] <edmorley> philor: 'M' obviously is 'used' for mochitest, so we might have to put up with double character; I was thinking maybe after peptest, before talos?
# [17:38] <baku> great, and do you think this should be a feature of the JSStructuredCloneBuffer?
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# [17:38] <jorendorff> baku, sfink: yes, I think just change the existing write() method, add a "transfers" argument
# [17:38] <philor> edmorley: Mn is fine by me, but yeah, I was surprised by that positioning out after talos, too
# [17:38] <edmorley> philor: not that we're doing anything but debating paint colours of the shed :-)
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# [17:38] <sfink> baku: I'm not really familiar with that, so my answer wouldn't be worth much (jorendorff would probably be better there)
# [17:38] <jorendorff> sfink: ?!
# [17:38] <sfink> jorendorff: I mean the structured clone buffer stuff
# [17:38] <sfink> you already answered
# [17:39] <baku> jorendorff, great
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# [17:39] <jorendorff> sfink: yeah, but you overestimate the cluefulness on my end of the line
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# [17:39] <sfink> jorendorff: oh, I thought you were the one who wrote the structured cloning?
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# [17:40] <jorendorff> yes, originally, i just kind of have no idea what's going on here :)
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# [17:40] <jorendorff> baku: Up to now, it was legal to write a StructuredCloneBuffer once, then read it many times (creating many clones)
# [17:41] <RyanVM> Yoric, FYI, maybe it's just bad luck, but Linux M2 has failed 2x in a row now on bug 785828. I've retriggered a bunch more runs to see.
# [17:41] <jorendorff> baku: With transfers, that needs to be illegal.
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# [17:41] <Yoric> RyanVM: :/
# [17:41] <Yoric> I will take a look, in case I did something stupid.
# [17:41] <Yoric> Wouldn't be the first time.
# [17:41] <baku> jorendorff, right... this can be a problem.
# [17:41] <RyanVM> Yoric: looks like Linux mochitests are getting a bit backed up, so the retriggers are all pending ATM
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# [17:41] <baku> so probably if the StructuredCloneBuffer is written once, it should invalidate it self...
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# [17:42] <jorendorff> baku: I don't think we are actually doing this anywhere. But just to be sure, when the buffer's read() method is called, set a flag or something, and assert that it doesn't get called twice
# [17:42] <baku> yep
# [17:42] <Yoric> RyanVM: That failure looks very remote from what I'm doing.
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# [17:42] <baku> jorendorff, makes sense
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# [17:42] <Yoric> RyanVM: So I'll hope that I am not guilty.
# [17:42] <RyanVM> Yoric: Yeah, it could be bad luck.
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# [17:43] <baku> I'll ask you to review the patch when it is ready.
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# [17:43] <jorendorff> baku: ok, cool -- and if you have any other questions, just ping me :)
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# [17:44] <Yoric> RyanVM: Can you keep me updated?
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# [17:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/271ca35d7645 - Olli Pettay - Bug 784259 - nsDOMMutationObserver should inherit nsWrapperCache, r=peterv
# [17:45] <philor> bjacob: you know how you've been bored and wishing you had some fun webgl failures to chase? 10.8's got you covered! https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14775868&tree=Mozilla-Beta
# [17:45] <RyanVM> Yoric: of course :)
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# [17:47] <Optimizer> any mdn links for how to do an incremental build which takes very less time ?
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# [17:47] <Optimizer> I heard somewhere that it is possible
# [17:47] <Optimizer> like I just changed 2 lines of the sourcecode
# [17:47] <Callek> Optimizer: what did you change
# [17:48] <Optimizer> a js file
# [17:48] <Optimizer> does it matter ?
# [17:48] <Callek> hehe, "where"
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# [17:48] <Callek> Optimizer: unless you always do a clobber, yes ;-)
# [17:48] <Optimizer> always do a clobber ?
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# [17:48] <bjacob> philor: oh, this is a known driver crash. NVIDIA has already fixed it and we are expecting Apple to release the update as part of a OSX 10.8 update soon.
# [17:48] <Optimizer> I changed in devtools folder
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# [17:49] <philor> bjacob: ah, cool, luckily releng always updates.... shit, not good
# [17:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14968df0feee - Doug Turner - Bug 784404 - backout inital patch. r=bent
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# [17:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f50483a61327 - Doug Turner - Bug 784404 - Intermittent assertion in dom/devicestorage/test/test_basic.html. v.2 r=bent
# [17:49] <bjacob> philor: if we need to do anything about it sooner, the only thing to do is to disable this test page on 10.8 until we get the update
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# [17:51] <bjacob> philor: should i file it or is there already a bug?
# [17:51] <philor> bjacob: please do, there's only the meta-every-failure bug 786084 that it should block
# [17:52] <bjacob> ok thanks
# [17:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d192fe240461 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 756645 - Implement IndexedDB apps isolation. r=bent
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# [17:55] <gaston> RyanVM: pong
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# [17:56] <RyanVM> gaston: see my last comments to bug 753046 plz :)
# [17:56] <gaston> in a sec
# [17:56] <@bz> man
# [17:57] <@bz> some people just do not understand the word "testcase"
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# [17:57] <@bz> unfortunately, some of them work for us. :(
# [17:57] <GPHemsley> Are preferences available in xpcshell tests?
# [17:57] <@bz> GPHemsley: should be, yes
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# [17:58] <gcp> where should I file bugs in the fullscreen API?
# [17:58] <GPHemsley> bz: Am I doing it wrong, then? I'm getting NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE
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# [17:59] <RyanVM> gaston: no hurry
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# [17:59] <@bz> GPHemsley: dunno....
# [17:59] <GPHemsley> bz: let cps = Cc["@mozilla.org/content-pref/service;1"].getService(Ci.nsIContentPrefService);
# [18:00] <@bz> oh, the content-pref stuff might not be around
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# [18:00] <GPHemsley> oh, well, I c&p'd that from MDN
# [18:00] <@bz> as opposed to the prefservice, which should be
# [18:00] <GPHemsley> what's the right way to do it?
# [18:00] <@bz> which "it"?
# [18:00] <GPHemsley> the not-content-pref part
# [18:01] <GPHemsley> I'm just trying to get the value of intl.accept_languages
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# [18:01] <@bz> "@mozilla.org/preferences-service;1"
# [18:01] <GPHemsley> and set it
# [18:01] <GPHemsley> ok
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# [18:01] * @bz wonders what this content-pref stuff is
# [18:02] <@bz> oh, that's for site-specific preferences stuff
# [18:02] <@bz> and it's part of toolkit
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# [18:02] <@bz> which is why you're not seeing it in xpcshell
# [18:03] <GPHemsley> ah
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# [18:04] <Optimizer> Callek: any help ?
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# [18:05] <Callek> Optimizer: my "better than nothing" solution is |make tier_app| in the objectdirectory
# [18:05] <Callek> when I'm not touching gecko itself
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# [18:05] <Callek> I think theres an even better solution for you if you're only touching js for the devconsole stuff, but I don't know it
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# [18:05] <glandium> Callek: make chrome
# [18:05] <Optimizer> in my previous machine I used to do somehow, and those build only took 5 minutes
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# [18:06] <Callek> Optimizer: ^
# [18:06] <Optimizer> but I forgot now
# [18:06] <@bz> so yeah
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# [18:06] <@bz> "testcase"
# [18:06] <@bz> <sigh>
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# [18:06] <mbrubeck> Optimizer: If you're changing only JS, then you should be able to just do something like "make -C $OBJDIR/browser"
# [18:07] <mbrubeck> or "make -C $OBJDIR/browser/devtools" if all your changes are within devtools
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# [18:07] <Optimizer> oh yes, now I see in the page at the very bottom
# [18:07] <mbrubeck> Optimizer: If you include "ac_add_options --enable-chrome-format=symlink" in your mozconfig then you won't need to rebuild at all, except for JS files that are preprocessed.
# [18:07] <Optimizer> it is also by default but only after doing hg pull
# [18:08] <Optimizer> mbrubeck: thanks, I would very much like to have that
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# [18:08] <GPHemsley> bz: Yay, works! Thanks!
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# [18:08] <philor> gavin: for bug 774013, can we make the test not fail when FKA is on? not only did I notice it failing locally for me the other day, but apparently FKA is on by default on 10.8 (unless it was turned on accidently on the ref image)
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# [18:08] <Optimizer> because, most of the time i would be changing only one or two files
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# [18:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dfc4199ccae4 - Ben Turner - Bug 786003 - 'Fix file handle leak in nsDOMFileReader, add tests to IndexedDB'. r=jst.
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# [18:19] <edmorley> philor: I'm really looking forward to that disable coalesing on retriggers patch :-D
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# [18:22] <philor> you kids today, always wanting your computers to do what you tell them to do, rather than some random other thing
# [18:22] <Austin__> We need to make some private customizations to Firefox and we want to be able to keep them in sync fairly closely, so we want to mirror the 'mozilla-release' repo and keep our changes on our own long-standing branch. When we tried to do an hg pull today, and then hg push —new-branch, we got "abort: push creates new remote head" on what I am surmising is a new branch (28af55043104).
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# [18:22] <ferjm> hi! is the latest m-c b2g build broken http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1780849 ?
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# [18:23] <@bz> Austin__: are you trying to push to mozilla-release?
# [18:23] <Austin__> Is our process that we're describing fundamentally broken? We mostly use git, but are using Mercurial here because it's what the Mozilla team has chosen.
# [18:24] <bwinton> Austin__: Perhaps you'ld be happier with the github version of mozilla's source tree? (Although, if you're basing your changes off of the release branch, perhaps not.)
# [18:24] <Austin__> bz: No. I've set up a pathspec called "se_moz_release", so my command-line is "hg push —new-branch se_moz_release"
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# [18:25] <Austin__> bwinton: If there was a mozilla-release, I think the answer to that is absolutely yes. If the release tags/branches are updated fairly often on the github mozilla source tree, then that might work, too.
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# [18:27] <bwinton> Austin__: https://github.com/mozilla/releases-mozilla-release ?
# [18:28] <jwir3> Is there a way to run reftests with chrome privileges?
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# [18:28] <bwinton> (I feel like we need another two or three "mozilla"s and "releases" in there… ;)
# [18:28] <Austin__> (I have no problem working with mercurial, I'm just not as familiar with it as I am with git)
# [18:28] <jwir3> Rather, if I have a script that needs chrome privileges, do I need to write a chrome mochitest?
# [18:29] <RyanVM> Yoric: the retriggers are looking good. Looks like it was bad luck after all :)
# [18:29] <Yoric> pfew
# [18:29] <Yoric> Thanks :)
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# [18:32] <Austin__> bwinton: Thank you. I think that will help much more than trying to mirror the hg repo.
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# [18:36] <@smaug> RyanVM: thanks for star'ing
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# [18:36] <RyanVM> smaug: yw
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# [18:43] <@bz> jwir3: yes
# [18:43] <jwir3> bz: yeah, I figured that. :|
# [18:43] <jwir3> bz: dang
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# [18:44] <@ted> bsmedberg: your kilimanjaro triage tool is neat
# [18:44] <jwir3> reftests are so much easier. :)
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# [18:44] <@ted> bsmedberg: have you considered adding the ability to mark bugs from that UI?
# [18:44] <RyanVM> mounir: orange
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# [18:44] <@ted> that's the part i always hated about triage, clicking through to load all the bugs
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# [18:44] <@bsmedberg> ted: I never quite figured out how to avoid race conditions setting individual flags using the REST API
# [18:45] <@bsmedberg> maybe that was attachment flags, though
# [18:45] <@bsmedberg> anyway, it probably isn't that hard
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# [18:45] <@ted> yeah
# [18:45] <@ted> we do flag setting in bzexport
# [18:45] <@bsmedberg> http://hg.mozilla.org/users/bsmedberg_mozilla.com/triage-groups/ is the code
# [18:45] <@ted> granted that's all in python
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# [18:46] <mounir> I pushed that to try last night...
# [18:46] <@ted> i haven't had to participate in actual triage in a while
# [18:46] <@ted> so it's not pressing
# [18:46] <@bsmedberg> there's a JS function which abstracts away the bzapi a bit
# [18:46] <@ted> just saw the media people doing some webrtc triage and using a plain old bug list
# [18:46] <@bsmedberg> basecamp triage is different, nobody's actually using this tool
# [18:46] <mounir> RyanVM: let me see if I can reproduce that locally before backing out
# [18:46] <@bsmedberg> but it's there in case I find it useful in the future
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# [18:49] <@ted> ah
# [18:49] <@ted> bsmedberg: i think it'd be great to have a general triage tool where you can put in a query and a set of flags and just plow through it
# [18:49] <@bsmedberg> maybe yes
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# [18:49] <@bsmedberg> this tool was more about breaking bugs down by group lead/ product manager
# [18:50] <@bsmedberg> which is something that you just can't do in bugzilla at all
# [18:50] <@ted> mm
# [18:50] <@ted> yeah, good point
# [18:50] <mounir> RyanVM: found the issue, that's because of something bent pushed yesterday...
# [18:50] <@bsmedberg> but the basic framework is there to use it for those other purposes too
# [18:50] <mounir> will see if I can fix it quickly
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# [18:51] <glob> ted, bsmedberg, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=release_tracking_report.html may help
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# [18:53] <bjacob> philor: filed bug 786318
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# [18:53] <@ted> glob: interesting
# [18:55] <philor> bjacob: cool, I think I even know how to disable things on all-Mac :)
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# [18:56] <gaston> ted: where is 783950 in your review queue ? :)
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# [18:57] <@ted> i haven't looked at my queue :-/
# [18:57] <@ted> i'll take a look this afternoon
# [18:57] <gaston> thanks a lot
# [18:59] <mounir> RyanVM: I have a fix
# [18:59] <mounir> let me run the full dom/indexdedb tests locally and I will push
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# [18:59] <edmorley> ;-P
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# [19:00] <RyanVM> edmorley: I'm only letting it go because things are slow. But I have a one-strike policy :)
# [19:00] <mounir> guys, if you backout, I will re-push just after, that would be a waste of time
# [19:01] <mounir> given that the change that broke my tests happen between me pushing to try and my push to m-i, I'm not really guilty too :(
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# [19:02] <bjacob> philor|away: hm, in the case of the webgl mochitest, disabling just 1 page on mac is a bit more nontrivial, requires editing the mochitest, but i have a patch
# [19:02] <edmorley> mounir: I'll let you off then :-)
# [19:02] <mbrubeck> edmorley: +1 on bug 748855
# [19:02] <RyanVM> mounir: Like I said, I'll give you one shot at fixing in-place. We just don't want to get in a situation of pushing one fix after another
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# [19:03] <mbrubeck> It's the "Sudden Death" version of the Tree Rules
# [19:03] <mounir> RyanVM: sure, I understand that
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# [19:04] <gaston> ugh, stacking bugs on top of bugs on top of bugs in mq...
# [19:04] <@gavin> philor|away: yeah, probably. IIRC other tests run some heuristic to detect FKA-ness
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# [19:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/01b657335f1d - Nathan Froyd - Bug 748417 - provide a proper Histogram class; r=taras
# [19:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8c53a2ecb2b - Nathan Froyd - Bug 748417 - double-check Python-generated range-information; r=taras
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# [19:14] <@ehsan> gaston: ok, haven't gone through my bugmail yet :)
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# [19:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e36689713d6c - Nathan Froyd - Bug 785964 - NEWTAB_PAGE_PINNED_SITES_COUNT should be an enumerated histogram. r=ttaubert
# [19:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d77ea5e2c469 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 785959 - change several linear histograms to enumerated ones; r=taras
# [19:16] <mounir> pfff...
# [19:16] <RyanVM> mounir: that's two more pushes for me to star now :)
# [19:16] <mounir> I was going to push
# [19:16] <mounir> and that push broke mine
# [19:17] <mounir> i mean, I have to rebase
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# [19:19] <mounir> RyanVM: I starred
# [19:19] <RyanVM> mounir: heh, thanks :)
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# [19:20] <RyanVM> mounir: please post inbound links to their respective bugs
# [19:20] <@bz> hrm
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# [19:20] <mounir> RyanVM: that's not very useful
# [19:20] <@bz> how come the hook for inbound pushes only lists the changesets sometimes?
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# [19:20] <@bz> the push I just did it just gave me a pushlog link instead...
# [19:21] <@bz> is there some cap on number of changesets it will list or whatnot? :(
# [19:21] <@khuey> it seems to be above a certain number of csets
# [19:21] <RyanVM> mounir: sure it is - it makes it clear what landed and was backed out if need be
# [19:21] <@bz> yeah
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# [19:21] <@khuey> I haven't quite figured it out
# [19:21] <@bz> ok
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# [19:22] <edmorley> bz, khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=621002&action=diff#a/mozhghooks/push_printurls.py_sec2
# [19:22] <edmorley> tl;dr 10 changeset cap
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# [19:24] <froydnj> it would be excellent if inbound links were just auto-posted to bugs
# [19:24] <froydnj> splendid, even
# [19:24] * mounir agree
# [19:24] <mounir> s
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# [19:25] <sfink> I have an hg extension that does it in a single command, at least, though it'll need to wait for reviews before it's available
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# [19:26] <@bz> froydnj: yes, that would rock
# [19:26] <froydnj> sfink: I am still waiting for your hg extension that writes my patches for me
# [19:26] <@bz> ah, 10 changes
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# [19:26] <sfink> froydnj: why rewrite |cat /dev/random|?
# [19:26] <froydnj> bz goes to 11
# [19:27] <froydnj> sfink: those patches always seem to get backed out
# [19:27] <sfink> Ms2ger: btw, I fixed the hg 1.7 compatibility problem with... whatever it was we were talking about yesterday
# [19:27] <froydnj> waiting for an improved version
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# [19:28] <@bz> froydnj: urandom?
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# [19:29] <sfink> they don't *always* get backed out. Wait long enough and you'll get one that'll stick. You may need to update your monkey employment contract though; laws have changed.
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# [19:30] <froydnj> ah, new patch disclaimer: "monkeys not included"
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# [19:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/054229ba8fd6 - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 784373 - Test setPosition without optional argument. r=froydnj
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# [19:38] <efaust> lsblakk: you around?
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# [19:38] <gps> ehsan: I was attempting to compile mozilla-central in Visual Studio 2008 last night and it was complaining about nullptr not being defined. is that VS2008 not knowing about nullptr or is that my Visual Studio project generation code not capturing something important?
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# [19:38] <@ehsan> gps: nullptr is defined in vc10
# [19:39] <@ehsan> gps: for vc9 we should use our fallback...
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# [19:39] <gps> ehsan: where is the fallback defined?
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# [19:39] <@ehsan> currently in two places
# [19:39] <@ehsan> nscore.h and 2D.h
# [19:40] <@ehsan> Ms2ger had a patch which fixed that
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# [19:40] * @ehsan is going to land that patch himself now :/
# [19:40] <@ehsan> gps: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nscore.h#333
# [19:40] <@ehsan> gps: what could be happening is that HAVE_NULLPTR is incorrectly defined for you
# [19:40] <gps> oh - perhaps the problem is with /tp and /tc
# [19:40] <fox2mike> bsmedberg: so murphy had to intervene and we had some issues on the phx1 machines. they're fixing and I'm hoping to have something up by tomm
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# [19:41] <gps> should I be forcing all files to compile as C++?
# [19:41] <@bsmedberg> fox2mike: ok
# [19:41] <@ehsan> gps: what are tp and tc?
# [19:41] <gps> they control whether source is compiled as C or C+
# [19:41] <fox2mike> bsmedberg: sorry for the delay
# [19:41] <@ehsan> hmm
# [19:41] <gps> no - looks like that code handles both cases
# [19:41] <@ehsan> gps: so if you have nullptr support, we don't define it anywhere
# [19:41] <@ehsan> and if you don't we should only define it for c++
# [19:41] <Ms2ger> ehsan, nuh-uh, glandium r-'d me
# [19:42] <edmorley> Does anyone know if we are considering removing mobile/xul/* from the tree and/or doing other xul-only cleanup? (eg makefile/reftest.list specific disablings for certain tests on xul only)
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# [19:42] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: for why?!
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# [19:42] <Ms2ger> ehsan, because configure macros apparently are no good, it's in the bug
# [19:42] <gps> OK. let me poke around some more. I imagine some other people would like to generate VS projects and have IntelliSense just work :)
# [19:42] <glandium> Ms2ger, ehsan: and the fallback is wrong
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# [19:43] <@ehsan> glandium: hrm, sorry but I don't see how the fallback is wrong
# [19:43] <Ms2ger> glandium, can't gps fix this configure thing? :)
# [19:43] <glandium> ehsan: see the bug
# [19:43] <@ehsan> glandium: I am looking at the bug!
# [19:43] <@ehsan> nullptr should not be used in C
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# [19:43] <@ehsan> it is a C++ feature after all :)
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# [19:44] <glandium> ehsan: the comments around it suggest there is a fallback for C
# [19:44] <Ms2ger> glandium, I already removed that comment locally, fwiw
# [19:44] <@ehsan> glandium: those comments are wrong, I think
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# [19:45] <glandium> the ifndef __cplusplus is wrong too
# [19:45] <Ms2ger> Sure
# [19:45] <@ehsan> glandium: if you use nullptr in compilers supporting it for C, then you'll get compile errors
# [19:45] * @ehsan doesn't remember why we added that C++ check there...
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# [19:45] <glandium> ehsan: to define it in C, considering the comment
# [19:45] <gps> how does nscore.h get included?
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# [19:46] <glandium> if you don't want to do that, fine
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> gps, #include
# [19:46] <@ehsan> let me look at the original bug...
# [19:46] <gps> I'm looking at files like nsTString.h which doesn't have any #include's
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> gps, and?
# [19:46] <lsblakk> efaust: i'm here - still need me?
# [19:46] <@ehsan> gps: mxr for #include "nscore.h" :)
# [19:46] <Ms2ger> As long as you include it after something else that includes nscore.h...
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# [19:48] <gps> #define HAVE_NULLPTR 1. hmmm
# [19:48] <efaust> lsblakk: I may have jumped the gun, having just read the approval process, but is there any way I can get a+ on 785576 so I can put this whole thing to bed?
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# [19:48] <@ehsan> gps: oh, right, we don't really run configure on windows ;)
# [19:49] <gps> well, crap. I think I performed configure in a VC 11 environment but generated the VS projects for VC 10. oops
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# [19:50] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: glandium: so the C check was added in bug 777511 by cpeterson... looking over this again, I'm not convinved that is the correct thing to do
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# [19:50] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: can you please take out that change and push to try to make sure we're not breaking anything?
# [19:50] <@ehsan> C should really stick to NULL
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# [19:50] <Ms2ger> ehsan, sure, but not today :)
# [19:50] <@ehsan> gps: oh so we actually test for nullptr on windows, that's nice :)
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# [19:51] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: ok... I just want that patch in the tree sooner, the current situation with nullptr is sad :(
# [19:51] <@ehsan> if only joe did not insist on azure being self-contained...
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# [19:51] <joe> talk to bas
# [19:51] <joe> :)
# [19:51] <joe> also it's not called azure
# [19:52] <joe> SO THERE
# [19:52] <Ms2ger> Enjoy your fight :)
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# [19:52] <froydnj> typically canadian
# [19:52] <Bas> ehsan: Where is Azure being a problem for nullptr?
# [19:52] <@ehsan> Bas: it forces us to define nullptr in two places :(
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# [19:53] <@ehsan> Bas: I'm curious, is anyone else using azure besides us?
# [19:53] <Bas> ehsan: Not yet, just the Rust guys, as it's not -really- self-contained at the moment. There's been interest.
# [19:53] <@ehsan> Bas: from whom?
# [19:54] <Bas> ehsan: Skia and NVidia
# [19:54] <Bas> Not 'using' in a traditional sense, but contributing, testing, etc.
# [19:54] <@ehsan> hmm
# [19:54] <@ted> can you just require a C++11-compliant compiler for Azure
# [19:54] <@ehsan> I really hate the type of semi-read-only code that we keep in the tree, and I hope azure would not turn into another example
# [19:54] <@ehsan> ted: +100
# [19:55] <@ted> and have an optional "give me a header file to include that defines all this stuff"
# [19:55] <Bas> ted: I'm fine with that, if Mozilla was compiled with a C++11-compliant compiler on Windows? :P
# [19:55] <biesi> what's azure?
# [19:55] <@ehsan> Bas: it is
# [19:55] <@ehsan> biesi: a gfx library
# [19:55] <Bas> VS2010 is not X++11 is it?
# [19:55] <Bas> Err, C++11
# [19:55] <@ted> ehsan: does vc10 have nullptr?
# [19:55] <@ted> Bas: C++11 is a fuzzy concept
# [19:55] <@ehsan> Bas: it supports nullptr, which is all we're talking about here
# [19:55] <@ted> thre probably isn't any totally-spec-compliant
# [19:55] <@ted> compiler
# [19:55] <@ehsan> ted: yes
# [19:56] <@ted> cool
# [19:56] <Bas> ehsan: Okay, well then I'm fine with that.
# [19:56] <@ted> i think i could be convinced to drop everything < vc2010 on trunk
# [19:56] <Bas> ehsan: I don't need Azure to compile on 2k5 or 2k8, our developers using one of those will complain though.
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# [19:58] <Bas> ehsan: Also, aside from external interest, Azure being stand-alone, -hugely- increases my productivity, <5s relinks and test, proper and complete VS integration, stand-alone unittests which build and run within a minute, etc.
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# [19:59] <@ehsan> Bas: then they can fix the problems :)
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# [19:59] <@ehsan> Bas: sure but it increases the pain for other people
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# [19:59] <@ehsan> Bas: I don't think each of us needs to grow their own stand-alone libraries for increased productivity
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# [20:00] <Bas> ehsan: If MFBT was stand-alone I'd be fine with depending on that.
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# [20:01] <@ehsan> Bas: MFBT is not stand-alone
# [20:01] <Bas> Right.
# [20:01] <dongpu> hi, a quick question. What's the difference between /bin/firefox and /bin/firefox-bin?
# [20:01] <@ted> dongpu: nothing nowadays
# [20:01] <@ted> used to be 'firefox' was a shell script and 'firefox-bin' the actual binary
# [20:01] <@ehsan> Bas: the only things that are "stand-alone" in our code are NSPR and NSS
# [20:01] <@ted> we left the latter around because some things depended on the filename
# [20:01] <@ehsan> and by stand-alone people mostly mean read-only
# [20:01] <dongpu> ted: ok i see
# [20:01] <Bas> ehsan: I'd actually prefer Azure to be in a separate repository altogether, like Skia is with Chrome. But sadly we're not there.
# [20:02] <@ted> ehsan: what does MFBT depend on?
# [20:02] <@ehsan> Bas: yeah if it were in a separate repo then things would be fine
# [20:02] <Bas> ted: It drags in JS stuff, for one.
# [20:02] <@ehsan> ted: I don't know, our configure scripts at least? ;)
# [20:02] <dongpu> ted: if I want to instrument firefox source code, what tool works well?
# [20:02] <@ted> ah
# [20:02] <@ted> dongpu: i...don't know, depends on what you want to do?
# [20:02] <Bas> ehsan: Anyway, I'm working on making the stand-alone build cross-platform, which should make -everyone's- lives easier when working on it :)
# [20:02] <@ehsan> ted: as long as things live in m-c, standalone-ness will be an illusion
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# [20:03] <glandium> Bas: i thought it didn't anymore
# [20:03] <@ted> ehsan: true
# [20:03] <Bas> glandium: Maybe it changed recently, I haven't checked.
# [20:03] <@ehsan> Bas: so I hope we can remove that code from m-c at some point
# [20:03] <@ehsan> and put it in its own proper repo
# [20:03] <Bas> ehsan: I would love to remove Azure from m-c. But apparently we don't have external repo support :(
# [20:03] <@ehsan> where people can really use it stand-lone
# [20:04] <glandium> Bas: no JS or js or Js anywhere under mfbt
# [20:04] <@ehsan> Bas: we don't? that's how we build thunderbird ;)
# [20:04] <Bas> ehsan: I'm told we don't.
# [20:04] <@ted> ...
# [20:04] <@ted> we have lots of third-party projects with snapshots checked into m-c
# [20:04] <Bas> glandium: It used to rely on symbols defined in js obj files.
# [20:04] <@ted> including NSPR and NSS
# [20:04] <@ehsan> Bas: we can even pull stuff in the build using tooltool these days
# [20:05] <sfink> ted: hey, you broke :luser!
# [20:05] <glandium> ted: and that sucks. they would be better handled as externals
# [20:05] <@ted> it's true
# [20:05] <Bas> ted: Right, but I don't think I could convince people snapshots are the right idea. Real esternals I might :)
# [20:05] <@ted> sfink: i broke that a long time ago, man
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# [20:05] <glandium> although i don't know if mercurial can keep a reference to a given changeset
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# [20:05] <@ted> glandium: yeah, this is how we wind up with stuff like our current breakpad situation :-(
# [20:05] <sfink> ted: oh. I guess this is the first I've tried using it for a while, then.
# [20:05] <Bas> ehsan: Well, if there's a clear way to do this in such a way that it won't complicate life for people working on Mozilla, I'd be very interested.
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# [20:07] <@khuey> typing nsnull is reflex
# [20:08] <qDot> Autoreplace!
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# [20:08] <glandium> khuey: add a commit hook
# [20:08] <@ted> i don't think i ever used nsnull
# [20:08] <@ted> except maybe in copy/paste
# [20:08] <@ehsan> khuey: nsnull is removed now
# [20:08] <@ehsan> or is it?
# [20:08] * @ehsan checks
# [20:09] <baku> sfink, question: is there a data struct that is able to contain a list of JSObject? Now I'm using an allocated array but maybe there is already something. I tried with js::Vector but StructuredCloneBuffer must work with C code too and that works only in C++
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# [20:09] <@ehsan> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=nsnull&case=on&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central]
# [20:09] <@ehsan> hmm
# [20:09] <@ehsan> seems like there's only a11y code using it
# [20:09] <@ehsan> how is that even possible?
# [20:09] <@ted> why does it have to work with C code?
# [20:09] <sfink> baku: well, you could use a JS Array
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# [20:10] <baku> ted because the StrucutedCloneBuffer uses JS_WriteStructuredClone
# [20:10] <glandium> ehsan: or it landed recently
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# [20:10] <sfink> baku: but if you really want an array, then AutoObjectVector is the closest we have. Is this code external? Because AutoObjectVector is not currently exposed.
# [20:11] <philor> gavin / Unfocused / ghost-of-Mossop : aurora has xpcshell failures in addons tests on the tests on nightlies on the push that disabled pdf.js, which was fine on the non-nightlies
# [20:11] <@ehsan> glandium: it landed more than a week ago if memory serves
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# [20:11] <sfink> baku: and we kinda want to switch it to something else, so exposing it isn't a total no-brainer
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# [20:11] <sfink> baku: (and yes, what part needs to work with C and why?)
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# [20:12] <glandium> ehsan: although, these files are gone, so it's mxr snafu
# [20:12] <@ehsan> glandium: but how does that compile?! we don't define it any more
# [20:12] <baku> sfink, this is a nice question. I don't know why the code is written as it is. What I see is that
# [20:12] <@ehsan> heh
# [20:12] <@ehsan> you're right
# [20:12] <baku> JSAutoStructuredCloneBuffer::write(..) uses JS_WriteStructuredClone
# [20:12] * @ehsan is gonna file a bug on that
# [20:12] <@gavin> philor: nightlies are clobbers?
# [20:12] <@ehsan> even though nobody will fix it
# [20:12] <baku> and JS_WriteStructuredClone is used by shell/js.c
# [20:13] <philor> gavin: they are, that could be it
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# [20:13] <sfink> baku: shell/js.c is long dead. It is now shell/js.cpp. How are you getting that?
# [20:13] <baku> good point.
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# [20:14] <philor> gavin: nope, because the linux32 build in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&rev=9d149f175fa6 was a forced clobber, and it passed
# [20:14] <baku> sfink, give me 2 secs :) heheh
# [20:14] <@gavin> philor: how else do nightly runs differ?
# [20:14] <sfink> baku: but generally speaking, you are correct that we have made (most of) JSAPI C-compatible. That is likely to change Real Soon Now, though even then, we'll probably a C-compatible shim layer on top.
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# [20:17] <sfink> baku: I think you'll probably want to take in the transferable stuff as another jsval argument and allow any arraylike object to be used. It may even say something like that in the spec.
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# [20:19] <baku> sfink, makes sense. but at some point I have to convert that in an array of "pointer".
# [20:19] <sfink> baku: let's take this to #jsapi
# [20:20] <baku> k
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# [20:34] <jdm> azakai: ping
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# [20:35] <azakai> jdm: pong
# [20:35] <jdm> azakai: what can you tell me about the message wakeup service?
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# [20:35] <jdm> azakai: is there a description somewhere of how it operates and how to use it?
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# [20:36] <azakai> jdm: there should be a commit right after it that uses it. i don't remember which service that was. But basically, the idea is to listen for a cross-process message, and in response, to start up a service (only then, so it is loaded only when needed). then it seamlessly passes the message to the service, and makes it so the service then gets that message in the future
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# [20:36] <jdm> excellent
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# [20:36] <jdm> that sounds like exactly what I need
# [20:37] * jdm checks the blame
# [20:37] <@dbaron> how do I get noignore=1 on tbpl these days?
# [20:37] <jduell> jdm: so you're planning to make TCP socket .send a sync IPDL call?
# [20:37] <@dbaron> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Beta&noignore=1 isn't working for me
# [20:38] <jdm> jduell: not IPDL, but yes.
# [20:38] <jhammel> edmorley: ^
# [20:38] <mbrubeck> dbaron: That's correct, and it's working for me
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# [20:38] <mbrubeck> dbaron: Is it failing to load, or is it just missing some jobs that you expect to see? If so, which ones?
# [20:38] <jduell> jdm: it's be nice to avoid that. IIRC the non-e10s fix went to some lengths to use lots of buffering to avoid blocking
# [20:38] <@dbaron> Firefox seems to be turning it into tbtbpl.mozilla.org
# [20:38] <dongpu> Hi, I am trying to instrument firefox to print out the preference hash table, I am not sure which tool works well? is "pin" a good choice?
# [20:38] <jduell> jdm: why do you need to block?
# [20:38] <jdm> jduell: right. I guess it depends on how the return value of send is used in practice
# [20:39] <mbrubeck> dbaron: Weird; I'm not seeing that when clicking your link above.
# [20:39] <edmorley> me neither
# [20:39] <jduell> jdm: so that's officially a "hint" about whether to hold off on sending more data for a while.
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# [20:40] <@dbaron> I think I did something funny the first time by using a ? instead of an & and then it messed up my history
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# [20:40] <jduell> jdm: I'd guess you could keep a "bytesBuffered" internal counter on the child, increment it and send data off async, have parent send back "bytesWritten" when it consumes buffered bytes
# [20:40] <@dbaron> time for a "Clear Recent History"
# [20:41] <jduell> jdm: and child can decrement counter. If counter > threshold, return false
# [20:41] <@dbaron> yeah, that fixed it
# [20:41] <jdm> jduell: hmm, interesting idea
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# [20:42] <jdm> jduell: so we would be reporting the last known parent buffer size + the new data size?
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# [20:42] <jdm> that sounds reasonable to me
# [20:43] <mbrubeck> dbaron: TBPL uses history.pushState/popState to read and write the query string, and it also does redirects using window.location in some circumstances; maybe you triggered an obscure bug in TBPL...
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# [20:43] <fzzzy> jdm, jduell: that sounds reasonable and good to me
# [20:43] <jdm> cool
# [20:43] <jdm> no sync send then
# [20:43] <fzzzy> like I said, it's informational, but it's also important that the js side sees a consistent state
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# [20:44] <fzzzy> in a turn
# [20:44] <jduell> jdm: well, it's a little trickier than that, but yeah. If you report back the parent's buffer size you might miss a send that's in-flight to the parent. So maybe keeping counter on child is the way. But honestly I'd expect either woudl work
# [20:44] <jdm> jduell: fair point.
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# [20:44] <jduell> jdm: we don't need an exact number, though, so really it can be rough and ready
# [20:45] <jduell> jdm: you could even get all TCP-like internally, wait for receive msgs from parent, and piggyback "bytesConsumed" on top of them
# [20:45] <jdm> ha
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# [20:46] <jduell> jdm: thanks for taking this, BTW. At some point soon I'd like to chat w/you about how we're doing sec checks in IPC now--I need to add to necko channels.
# [20:46] <jduell> jdm: will I need to use principals?
# [20:46] <jdm> jduell: I have no idea. I'm only on the peripherals of those discussions, so I don't really know what the outcome has been.
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# [20:47] <jduell> jdm: btw it might actually be worth throttling the acks--gratuitous IPC traffic does get pricey--I sped up mobile a while ago (when it was using e10s) by piggybacking OnProgress/OnStats msgs on top of OnDataReceived
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# [20:48] <jduell> jdm: so you're using some sort of JS IPC instead of C++ IPDL for sockets?
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# [20:48] <jdm> jduell: yeah, the message manager that lets us send named messages with json arguments
# [20:48] <jdm> jduell: there are some downsides, like how I have to keep track of which socket is sending a message, etc.
# [20:49] <jduell> jdm: so all tcp data munged into JSON and back out? Is that expensive?
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# [20:49] <jdm> jduell: no, we're doing structured copies instead of JSON actually
# [20:49] <jdm> so it's about as lightweight as you can get
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# [20:49] <jduell> jdm: I should really learn the JS way of doing these things at some point. Where's the message mgr api?
# [20:49] <jduell> I don't suppose we have docs...
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# [20:50] <jdm> not too many docs, no
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# [20:50] <jdm> jduell: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsIMessageManager.idl
# [20:50] <jdm> the comments there are pretty thorough, though
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# [20:50] <jduell> jdm: ok, cook. I'll follow your patch too--that ought to be enlightening :)
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# [20:51] <jduell> jdm: I mean "cool". But get cooking anyway...
# [20:52] <jdm> haha
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# [20:52] <sfink> jdm: thanks for the review! And sorry for flooding you.
# [20:53] <jdm> sfink: no worries, my fault for not getting to them sooner
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# [20:58] <gregglind> anyone know where the code for urlbar figuring out: ?something -> search for something. " " in url -> search, etc.
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# [20:58] <@gavin> gregglind: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsDefaultURIFixup.cpp
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# [20:59] <@gavin> and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp#6466
# [20:59] <NeilAway> dbaron: maybe your mistyping got converted into an escape? I think there was a similar bug on that recently, but as I recall that only affected URLs containing escapes
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# [21:00] <gregglind> thanks gavin.
# [21:00] <@dbaron> NeilAway, I did see escapes at some point
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# [21:08] <RyanVM> catlee: so is pymake officially live now?
# [21:08] <catlee> RyanVM: not quite
# [21:08] <catlee> bhearsum|buildduty will need to deploy it
# [21:08] <RyanVM> ok
# [21:09] <catlee> stuff gets landed onto our default branch, and then periodically gets manually merged to the production branch and deployed
# [21:09] <catlee> soon though!
# [21:09] <RyanVM> ok
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# [21:09] <gps> o hai: http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2012/08/28/visual-studio-project-generation-for-mozilla-central/
# [21:10] <froydnj> gps: you accidentally project generation?
# [21:10] <gaston> i fear yet another 'omg brain explodes' blogpost
# [21:11] <gaston> ted: thx! (for 789350)
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# [21:11] <catlee> is it much faster?
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# [21:11] <mounir> akeybl: ping
# [21:11] <gps> froydnj: it's basically IntelliSense. but IntelliSense >> NULL
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# [21:15] <sid0> azakai: hm. how do I invert the Y axis with bananabread?
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# [21:15] <akeybl> mounir: hey, in a meeting. what's up?
# [21:15] <sid0> azakai: I'd like to demo it to a few people but non-inverted Y axis is impossible for me to play
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# [21:16] <azakai> sid0: i don't know if there is an option for that. but if the original game engine supports that, we do too. let me check
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# [21:17] <azakai> sid0: yes, there is a way :) do /invmouse 1 in the game (you need to press escape after pressing / to get out of search)
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# [21:18] <mounir> akeybl: you assigned bug 786172 to Andrew Quartey but I was wondering if he was working for us
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# [21:18] <sid0> oh. console commands
# [21:18] <sid0> :)
# [21:18] <mounir> otherwise, we should make sure he has time to work on it
# [21:18] <azakai> yup :) full game engine
# [21:18] <sid0> azakai: it's truly a PC game, huh
# [21:18] <sid0> heh
# [21:19] <sid0> mmm, people really don't get the benefits of webgl, do they
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# [21:19] <sid0> it helps even for native games
# [21:19] <sid0> EVE's ship model viewer is webgl for example
# [21:19] <sid0> I expect Steam's workshop to support it soon
# [21:19] <akeybl> mounir: he's in phonebook
# [21:19] <akeybl> but it lists his gmail
# [21:20] <mounir> akeybl: I don't really understand that phonebook entry
# [21:20] <mounir> it's no corp
# [21:20] <mounir> and no info except the email address
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# [21:20] <azakai> sid0: yeah. the skeptics will be proven wrong ;)
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# [21:21] <mfinkle> azakai, when are you making PumpkinBread ?
# [21:21] <@bz> RaisinBread, please
# [21:22] <azakai> mfinkle: we do need a new name for 2.0 ;) (hopefully when webrtc gives us udp we'll make a multiplayer version which will be 2.0)
# [21:23] <mfinkle> \o/
# [21:23] <mfinkle> damn fine work, btw
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# [21:23] <gregglind> gavin, do you know how deep in we can intercept those dns errors, re: [urlbar] d3.js -> www.d3.js -> <sadtrombone>? Can we sniff those out and do anything, from the addon layer?
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# [21:24] <azakai> thanks mfinkle
# [21:24] <akeybl> mounir: perhaps he was an intern
# [21:24] <jdm> akeybl: not an intern, just a volunteer.
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# [21:24] <jdm> at least, to the extent of my knowledge. I did find the phonebook entry confusing.
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# [21:25] <akeybl> thanks jdm
# [21:25] <akeybl> mounir: should I reassign to you for investigation?
# [21:26] <mounir> akeybl: preferably not
# [21:26] <jesup> azakai: I'll have DataChannels on nightly "soon" (temporary stand-alone version without NAT traversal until the rest of peerconnection lands, behind a pref)
# [21:26] <akeybl> :)
# [21:26] <azakai> jesup: great!
# [21:26] <mounir> akeybl: I can see if I can reproduce that
# [21:27] <jesup> azakai: just need to get the patches reviewed by Patrick/etc, and a bit of cleanup
# [21:27] <azakai> cool
# [21:27] <akeybl> mounir: jdm: let's see if Andrew is willing to look into it
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# [21:27] <jesup> You can load a nightly alder build and play now (dom/media/tests/local_data_chat.html (on alder) is a test page)
# [21:28] <akeybl> (as jdm suggests in comments)
# [21:28] <jesup> Lets you connect to yourself ;-)
# [21:28] <akeybl> what's the user effect if we back out bug 722599?
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# [21:28] <@ehsan> gaston: ping
# [21:29] <gaston> ehsan: pong
# [21:29] <@ehsan> gaston: sorry, I know I asked this yesterday too, but I got lost in the conversation...
# [21:29] <@ehsan> gaston: why is PRImt64 != int64_t on openbsd?
# [21:30] <gaston> because wtc says that noone should assume prtypes are equivalent to stdint types
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# [21:30] <@ehsan> gaston: is that really the reason?!
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# [21:31] <gaston> i stopped fighting in 634793...
# [21:32] * @ehsan looks
# [21:32] <gaston> see comment 3, and the last comment i added yesterday
# [21:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cd7ccc95cefa - Blake Kaplan - Bug 786283 - Report to the caller when a scan request fails. r=vchang
# [21:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6dc18ee00539 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 785975 - Reconnect to the network after DHCP fails. r=vchang
# [21:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a0240c1043ee - Vincent Chang - Bug 736089 - Handle broken wifi configurations more gracefully, r=mrbkap DONTBUILD
# [21:33] <espindola> is the api exposed by graphs.mozilla.org documented anywhere?
# [21:34] <jhammel|lunch> rhelmer: ^
# [21:34] <gaston> ehsan: on one side it allows some correctness fixes (ie use prtime where appropriate) but on the other side it's painful to fx so many occurences
# [21:34] <gaston> biab, cooking
# [21:34] <@ehsan> gaston: hmm ok, that is retarded IMO, but I have given up hopes for fixing anything in NSPR a long time ago... :(
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# [21:35] <rhelmer> espindola: yeah there's some older documentation
# [21:35] <@ehsan> hmm
# [21:35] <@gavin> gregglind: possible, yes - don't think it's particularly easy
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# [21:35] <espindola> rhelmer, where is it. In particular I am trying to find out what are the 4 numbers in test_runs
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# [21:35] <espindola> for each os
# [21:35] <@ehsan> gaston: wouldn't we win more easily if we just made lastmodifiedtime int64_t in the IDL?
# [21:36] <espindola> the 4th one in the benchmark value
# [21:36] <rhelmer> espindola: on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Perfomatic but there are a few optimizations for the new frontend that may not be on there
# [21:36] <espindola> but the other 3?
# [21:36] <rhelmer> espindola: ok that should be in the current docs
# [21:36] <rhelmer> espindola: let me see if i can dig it up
# [21:36] <rhelmer> espindola: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Perfomatic:API should be accurate for that still I should think
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# [21:37] <rhelmer> espindola: lmk if any of that isn't right, I can look at the code and update the docs
# [21:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/152d19d479b2 - Randell Jesup - Bug 773423: use absolute paths for windows, different for make vs pymake r=ted
# [21:38] <espindola> rhelmer, doesn't look right, the keys in the the result of test_runs or OSs now
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# [21:38] <espindola> rhelmer, ah, sorry, I guess I should be looking at
# [21:38] <espindola> Get test data by revision
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# [21:39] <espindola> that one look right, yes
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# [21:39] <espindola> rhelmer, the "average value"
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# [21:40] <espindola> is an average of...
# [21:40] <espindola> there is one for each run
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# [21:40] <rhelmer> espindola: you mean the "averages" hash in the /api/test/runs response?
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# [21:40] <rhelmer> espindola: that is one thing we added for the new frontend, and also a more concise manifest (/api/test?attribute=short)
# [21:40] <espindola> rhelmer, almost
# [21:41] <espindola> /api/test/run
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# [21:41] <espindola> but index with:
# [21:41] <espindola> revisions, rev, benchmark, test_runs, os
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# [21:41] <espindola> that gives you a list of 4 integers
# [21:41] <espindola> [
# [21:41] <espindola> 3794718, # test run id
# [21:41] <espindola> 20100421051331, # build id
# [21:41] <espindola> 1271853540, # timestamp
# [21:41] <espindola> 19719.5 # average value
# [21:41] <espindola> in the example page
# [21:42] <Optimizer> does changing top and left of a abspos element causes reflows ?
# [21:42] <rhelmer> espindola: ah i see let me check one sec
# [21:42] <espindola> rhelmer, but there is one of these 4 elements list for each run
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# [21:42] <rhelmer> espindola: can you send me the exact URL you're looking at?
# [21:43] * @bsmedberg read "make config.status importable" as "make it so that config.status is not portable, has absolute paths"
# [21:43] <espindola> rhelmer, http://graphs.mozilla.org/api/test/runs/revisions?revision=aaefffc8311c&revision=9b44adab0561
# [21:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/954c8ade179e - Nathan Froyd - Bug 786413 - fix -pedantic removal in gfx/qcms; r=BenWa
# [21:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/089fd92d1553 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 786372 - eliminate libtheora -pedantic warning spew; r=derf
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# [21:44] <espindola> rhelmer, look at the 10.7 runs
# [21:44] <rhelmer> espindola: ok, looking at the code I am pretty sure this comes from http://hg.mozilla.org/graphs/file/cc80cbf6155a/server/api.py#l341 and is put there by talos
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# [21:44] <rhelmer> jhammel: can you talk about what talos sends to graphserver?
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# [21:46] <jhammel> rhelmer: what do you mean specifically?
# [21:46] <jhammel> talos sends numbers :)
# [21:46] <espindola> rhelmer, I guess it is from:
# [21:46] <espindola> 511 platformRuns = testData['test_runs'].setdefault(row['os_name'], []).append(
# [21:46] <espindola> 512 [row['id'], row['ref_build_id'], row['date_run'], row['average']],
# [21:46] <espindola> 513 )
# [21:46] <jhammel> do you mean the format?
# [21:47] <espindola> jhammel, why is in an 'average'
# [21:47] <espindola> I get one for each test run
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# [21:47] <jhammel> espindola: do you mean philosophically or?
# [21:47] <jhammel> so there are two kinds of tests: pageloader tests and startup tests
# [21:47] <espindola> well, it is an average of what ?
# [21:47] <jhammel> for pageloader tests, you run each page N times
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# [21:48] <jhammel> so the number is some sort of average over N
# [21:48] <jhammel> (not necessarily a straight mean)
# [21:49] <espindola> ah, so you can it an average because dromaeo (say) runs a test multiple times
# [21:49] <espindola> but it is a single run of dromaeo
# [21:49] <jhammel> yes
# [21:49] <espindola> got it, sorry for the confusion
# [21:49] <jhammel> or tp5 for that matter
# [21:49] <jhammel> no problem
# [21:49] <jhammel> it is confusing
# [21:49] <jhammel> in fact, i'm in the process of writing a blog post about how confusing it is! ;)
# [21:49] <rhelmer> hehe
# [21:49] <espindola> :-)
# [21:50] <jhammel> maybe me, rhelmer, and jmaher are the only people that really understand the system end-to-end
# [21:50] <jhammel> and its mostly not written down
# [21:50] <jhammel> probably out of shame
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# [21:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff1f9b1ddc2a - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 786094 - Track the current chrome window during a session, r=mdas, DONTBUILD because NPOTB
# [21:51] <rhelmer> jhammel: for me there are still big block boxes like talos, tests go in and numbers come out
# [21:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e461878f0567 - Martin Vogt - Bug 680644 - Let glxtest use a XWindow instead of a GLXPixmap - r=bjacob
# [21:51] <jhammel> heh; so there are *two* people that really understand the system end-to-end ;)
# [21:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/920d71aa1d2c - Benoit Jacob - Bug 680644 - Simplify glxtest and make it similar to glxinfo to avoid X server crashes - r=karlt
# [21:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d63bb4e02b3d - Benoit Jacob - Bug 782786 - BasicCanvasLayer: avoid UpdateSurface of non-dirty canvases - r=BenWa
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# [21:55] <froydnj> wow, why does m-a have so many jobs? all the uplift patches?
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# [21:57] <gaston> ehsan@> gaston: wouldn't we win more easily if we just made lastmodifiedtime int64_t in the IDL?
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# [21:57] <gaston> maybe, but isnt it more correct to use prtime for... times ?
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# [21:57] <@ehsan> gaston: I guess
# [21:57] <gaston> and that would only simplify patch 3 for nsLocalFile
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# [21:58] <gaston> my biggest concern is patch 5 for nss..
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# [22:00] <mbrubeck> bhearsum|buildduty: Is releng aware of the lack of 10.8 tests running on mozilla-aurora?
# [22:01] <bhearsum|buildduty> mbrubeck: 10.8 tests aren't production ready yet, last i checked
# [22:01] <bhearsum|buildduty> kmoir is actively working on them, though
# [22:01] <mbrubeck> bhearsum|buildduty: Right now they are getting scheduled but not run (on m-a), so they are just piling up in the pending queue
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# [22:02] <bhearsum|buildduty> kmoir: ^^
# [22:02] <kmoir> bhearsum|buildduty
# [22:02] <kmoir> will look at it
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# [22:08] <gaston> ehsan: what do you mean by 'use PRTime casts here'? PRTime(sbuf.st_mtime) * PR_MSEC_PER_SEC ?
# [22:08] <@ehsan> yes
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# [22:09] <gaston> right, since st_mtime is naturally a time_t it makes more sense
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# [22:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd7ccc95cefa - Blake Kaplan - Bug 786283 - Report to the caller when a scan request fails. r=vchang
# [22:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6dc18ee00539 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 785975 - Reconnect to the network after DHCP fails. r=vchang
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# [22:21] <RyanVM> gee, only 7 different bugs for the 12 android failures I just starred
# [22:21] <RyanVM> good times
# [22:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/020c834a8991 - Jose Antonio Olivera Ortega - Bug 785095 - B2G RIL - Error fetching records for ICC cards with RIL_APPTYPE_SIM = 1. r=philikon
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# [22:23] <Luqman> Yoric: overwriting that probably would be bad. should i just add a dummy test file or use write:true,exist:true ?
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# [22:23] <Yoric> Luqman: I would use a dummy test file.
# [22:24] <Yoric> You should remove it afterwards (although I probably forgot to do so on some of my dummy test files).
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# [22:27] <billm> is anyone getting this error?
# [22:27] <billm> /home/billm/mozilla/in0/configure: 27349: Bad substitution
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# [22:27] <billm> while running configure
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# [22:28] <Luqman> Yoric: does it matter where the file is?
# [22:28] <Yoric> Just put it in the same directory.
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# [22:31] <Luqman> Yoric: so just create and unlink it in the js?
# [22:31] <Yoric> Yes.
# [22:31] <Yoric> OS.File.remove to remove it
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# [22:31] <Yoric> By the way, thanks for the patch.
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# [22:33] <hobophobe> Is there stronger sauce than evictEntries(STORE_ANYWHERE) ? I can still get cache entries after that...
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# [22:36] <philor> cute, lockPref("xpinstall.enabled",false);
# [22:36] <philor> produces an alert which just unlocks it
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# [22:43] <gaston> ehsan: btw do you have better suggestions about the commit messages ? (redoing a build to note the nss error message....)
# [22:43] <@ehsan> gaston: I would just push them under something like "hacks to fix openbsd builds" or something...
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# [22:44] <jlebar> Do xpcshell tests need to be in a directory called "tests"?
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# [22:45] <gaston> ehsan: then i'll keep my 'use PRTime where appropriate' for correctness sake :)
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# [22:45] <@ehsan> gaston: heh, ok
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# [22:45] <gaston> since after all some of them are correctness fixes, since the current code assumes PRTime is an int64_t :)
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# [22:50] <gaston> re commit messages, is it like git where only the first line is displayed in the log and subsequent lines (after a blank one) are shown when looking for a single commit ?
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# [22:50] <edmorley> gaston: yes
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# [22:52] <@bz> anyone here have IE9 on hand?
# [22:52] <@bz> (if not, I can pull mine out; just figured I'd check if someone has it immediately available)
# [22:52] <johns> bz: I do
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# [22:52] <@bz> johns: are you willing to try a testcase for me?
# [22:52] <johns> bz: sure
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# [22:53] <@bz> johns: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1781261
# [22:53] <@bz> johns: what color is the text?
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# [22:54] <johns> bz: green
# [22:55] <@bz> johns: ok. What if you replace the null with "foo" ?
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# [22:55] <@bz> johns: (the string foo, that is)
# [22:55] <johns> bz: Still green
# [22:55] <@bz> uh.
# [22:56] <@bz> what if you take out that second style set entirely?
# [22:56] <johns> bz: still green!
# [22:56] <Mook_as> hmm, http://pastehtml.com/view/c9rlalzha.html is red for me in IE9/win7/x64?
# [22:56] <@bz> johns: is the script running? ;)
# [22:57] <johns> bz: Mook's link is red for me, so possibly not
# [22:57] <@bz> ok
# [22:58] <@bz> Mook: what happens if you replace the null with "foo" and with "" ?
# [22:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e3adff2d69d7 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 783437 - Add conditions acceptance to token server client; r=rnewman
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# [22:59] <rclick> bz: I get green.
# [22:59] <@bz> in which case?
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# [23:00] <rclick> The "" case
# [23:00] <Mook_as> "foo": red ( http://pastehtml.com/view/c9rlq7jj2.html ) ; "": green ( http://pastehtml.com/view/c9rlsvzr2.html )
# [23:00] <@bz> Mook_as: thanks
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# [23:00] <Mook_as> you're welcome
# [23:00] <@bz> so our new bindings for css declarations have the Trident behavior
# [23:00] <@bz> our old ones match WebKit and Presto
# [23:00] <@bz> lovely
# [23:01] <johns> bz, Mook_as: Apparently local files are blocked from running script by default in IE9
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# [23:01] <@bz> johns: ah, yeah
# [23:02] <johns> bz: I see the same thing as Mook after overriding that
# [23:02] <johns> null, "foo" == red, "" == green
# [23:02] <@bz> perfect, thanks
# [23:03] <Mook_as> hah, and I was just too lazy to save to local file... (... don't ask)
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# [23:05] <RyanVM|Away> mrbkap: Thanks ^ :P
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# [23:11] <bsmith> Given a string "<a href='asdf'>foo</a>", what is the simplest way to strip the HTML in JS to get "foo", in chrome JS
# [23:11] <bsmith> ?
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# [23:12] <@gavin> bsmith: is the strign arbitrary HTML?
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# [23:12] <bsmith> gavin: preferably
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# [23:13] <bsmith> but, really it is likely to contain only <a> tags
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# [23:13] <NeilAway> bz: what notifications do you get when an error page loads (I was looking for a STATE_STOP | STATE_IS_WINDOW but I don't seem to get one of those)
# [23:14] <Mook_as> (new DOMParser()).parseFromString("<a href=asdf>foo</a>", "text/html").body.textContent is probably ridiculously over-engineered.
# [23:14] <@gavin> bsmith: you could use https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/DOMParser#Parsing_an_SVG_or_HTML_document
# [23:14] <@gavin> i.e. what mook just said
# [23:15] <@gavin> (or .links[0].textContent or whatever)
# [23:15] <bsmith> Thank you guys!
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# [23:31] <@smaug> bz: why does document.body.style.color = null; lead to "null"? Is "null" a valid color?
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# [23:33] * jhammel prefers "light null"
# [23:33] <gaston> hmmm win64 busted on my clang/libffi fix... donotlike
# [23:33] <dholbert> jhammel++
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# [23:33] <gaston> anyone can make sense of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=14785073&tree=Mozilla-Inbound ?
# [23:34] <froydnj> gaston: just because try doesn't do openbsd runs doesn't mean that you get to use inbound as try ;)
# [23:34] <gaston> i used try first ! i swear ! :)
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# [23:37] <dholbert> smaug, I believe that fails. I get "Expected color but found 'null'. Error in parsing value for 'color'. Declaration dropped.", in web console
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# [23:37] <dholbert> smaug, though the expression does return null (just as it returns "5" if you try to set color to 5, which is also not a valid color)
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# [23:40] <@bz> smaug: because webidl, when converting null to a DOMString, produces "null"
# [23:40] <@bz> smaug: which is then not a valid color and is ignored, of course
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# [23:40] <@bz> smaug: note that in ES ""+null is also "null"
# [23:40] <@bz> smaug: hence the WebIDL behavior
# [23:40] <@bz> dholbert: the return value of an assignment in ES is always the RHS
# [23:41] <@bz> dholbert: no matter whether there's a setter and what that setter does
# [23:41] <NeilAway> smaug: I have an element with an inline onclick handler, I'm chrome and I want to do something before that click happens. Do I have to capture at a higher level and then check the event target?
# [23:41] <dholbert> bz, cool -- that's what I suspected
# [23:41] <@bz> dholbert: in particular, a = b = c is equivalent to "b = c; a = c;" not to "b = c; a = b;"
# [23:41] <@bz> (and of course it's totally not the same thing as "a = c; b = c;" ;) )
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# [23:42] <jhammel> bz: orly? i always thought it was the other way o_O
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# [23:43] <@smaug> NeilAway: yes. Capture before the event target
# [23:43] <dholbert> bz, in those a/b/c examples, you're just distinguishing between orderings, correct? the functional result is the same?
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# [23:45] <froydnj> seems the semantics should only evaluate c once too
# [23:45] <@bz> er, yes
# [23:45] <@bz> that's a good point
# [23:45] <@bz> it's more like a "d = c; b = d; a = d;"
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# [23:45] <@bz> or so
# [23:45] <@bz> ordering matters if there are setters....
# [23:45] <@bz> the point being, that it's all a mess
# [23:45] <jhammel> lol
# [23:45] <@bz> and that's before we get E4X involved!
# [23:46] <@bz> because E4X is messed up
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# [23:46] <NeilAway> smaug: bah, that's annoying, because the parent of the event target can fire the event too, so I have to add in an extra check :-(
# [23:46] <@bz> in particular, "var x = y.z; x()" and "y.z()" don't do the same thing in e4x
# [23:46] <@bz> And for that matter, "var x = y.z; x.call(y);" doesn't do the same thing as "y.z()" either.
# [23:46] <froydnj> do we even want to know why?
# [23:46] <@smaug> NeilAway: so you'd like to have an event handling group before default group
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# [23:46] <@bz> mmm
# [23:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f3a789ca296a - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 773641 - Update Twitter icon for mobile. r=bnicholson
# [23:47] <sid0> I'm shocked at how bad meld is
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# [23:47] <@bz> froydnj: so e4x has these XMLNode objects
# [23:47] <dholbert> sid0, what did it do wrong?
# [23:47] <@bz> froydnj: so say I have something like <div appendChild="foo">
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# [23:47] <froydnj> gaston: that bsd/ipc push is burning
# [23:47] * @bz can't recall whether e4x actually uses appendChild, but it has other things
# [23:47] <@bz> froydnj: then .appendChild returns the string "foo"
# [23:47] <sid0> dholbert: when I select a set of lines on a side I mean to operate only on those lines, not the whole block
# [23:47] <@bz> froydnj: but .appendChild(something) appends a child
# [23:47] <gaston> froydnj: ja ja the previous libffi/clang one too
# [23:48] <froydnj> gaston: no, more so
# [23:48] <@bz> froydnj: and in particular, the callprop cannot be decomposed into a get and a call....
# [23:48] <jhammel> sid0: i hear kdiff3 is better...for complex things, neither of them have really helped me much
# [23:48] <jhammel> and for simple things i just edit the diff ;)
# [23:48] <gaston> froydnj: interesting
# [23:48] <froydnj> bz: makes...sense, I suppose
# [23:49] <sid0> jhammel: bc3 is incredible. I only have a windows licence for that -- I should probably upgrade it to dual platform
# [23:49] <gaston> zefuk is wrong again, everything was green on try for it
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# [23:49] <froydnj> clobber, perhaps
# [23:49] <jhammel> sid0: eh, but that would require me both running windows and buying software
# [23:49] <jhammel> neither of which i intend to do ;)
# [23:49] <@bz> froydnj: right, if you assume certain design constraints....
# [23:49] <sid0> jhammel: bc3 is linux too
# [23:49] <@bz> froydnj: really does mess with implementation, though. ;)
# [23:49] <jhammel> actually i use patchutils quite a bit and make my own tools with it
# [23:50] <froydnj> bz: oh, I can imagine...
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# [23:50] <gaston> froydnj: ah, erm, well.. maybe, since the libffi configure change might have messed up config.cache
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# [23:51] <gaston> (because the android failures are also on libffi, and the bsdipc patchset didnt touch libffi)
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# [23:52] <gaston> checking whether the C compiler works... no
# [23:52] <froydnj> yeah, could see that
# [23:52] <gaston> all the reds are on that
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# [23:53] <gaston> (well except the win64 red on the previous push, but i cant make sense of it either)
# [23:53] <gaston> so, should i request a clobber, and if so how ?
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# [23:53] <dholbert> gaston, https://build.mozilla.org/clobberer/
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# [23:54] <dholbert> (requires LDAP)
# [23:54] <gaston> iirc that's quite expensive and should be avoided, no ?
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# [23:54] <dholbert> clobbers are, yes (but that tool lets you pick which platform(s) you want to clobber)
# [23:54] <dholbert> maybe I misunderstand your question
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# [23:55] <sid0> at least on win32, clobbers will hopefully stop hurting as much from tomorrow
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# [23:55] <sid0> expect the compile step to be done in 30-35 minutes
# [23:55] <gaston> the procedure is 1) require a clobber on the given failing platforms 2) request a rebuild for the reds 3) cross fingers ?
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# [23:57] <dholbert> gaston, I believe so, yes
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