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# [00:01] <Six> RyanVM: Thank you ;)
# [00:02] <RyanVM> Six: No prob!
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# [00:04] <glandium> i love race conditions, especially when they disappear when you try to debug them
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# [00:07] <myk> sicking: any chance you can superreview the patch in bug 777400 today?
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# [00:08] <sicking> myk: sure
# [00:08] <myk> sicking: thanks!
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# [00:21] <jlebar> Hm, I seem to be trapped in an inescapable SIGTRAP loop in gdb.
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# [00:21] <jlebar> Anyone know how to escape this without restarting the process?
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# [00:21] <jlebar> jimb, ^?
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# [00:22] <jimb> jlebar: What's causing the SIGTRAPs? Is it GDB?
# [00:22] <jlebar> jimb, It's not clear to me; how would I tell?
# [00:22] <jimb> jlebar: What does "x/i $pc" say?
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# [00:23] <jlebar> jimb, => 0x7fff519ff95d: jmp 0x7fff519ff8e0
# [00:23] <jimb> jlebar: Do a stepi; what does it say?
# [00:23] <jlebar> (gdb) stepi
# [00:23] <jlebar> 0x00007fff519ff8e0 in ?? ()
# [00:23] <jlebar> (gdb) x/i $pc
# [00:23] <jlebar> => 0x7fff519ff8e0: sub rax,QWORD PTR ds:0xffffffffff5ff0a8
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# [00:23] <jimb> jlebar: So it seems like it is making progress between the SIGTRAPs...
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# [00:24] <jlebar> jimb, Indeed. But then I continue and I'm back where I started.
# [00:24] <jimb> jlebar: When you continue it, it just gives you another SIGTRAP?
# [00:24] <jlebar> (gdb) c
# [00:24] <jlebar> Continuing.
# [00:24] <jlebar> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
# [00:24] <jlebar> 0x00007fff519ff8e8 in ?? ()
# [00:24] <jlebar> (gdb)
# [00:24] <jimb> jlebar: What does x/i $pc-1 say?
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# [00:24] <jlebar> (gdb) x/i $pc-1
# [00:24] <jlebar> 0x7fff519ff8e7: dec DWORD PTR [rbx-0xf47daec]
# [00:25] <jlebar> jimb, Although is that what you want? $pc-1 is one instruction previous, not one byte previous?
# [00:25] <jimb> No, it's one byte previous --- but a breakpoint is a one-byte instruction.
# [00:25] <jlebar> I see.
# [00:25] <jimb> And there's no hard-coded breakpoint there, which was one guess.
# [00:26] <jlebar> (Unfortunately I have to go in about 60s, so if we don't figure this out, I can ping you when I get back, or it may not matter if joe can figure out what's going on from the stacks I've collected before gdb started misbehaving.)
# [00:26] <jimb> jlebar: well... you could always try handle SIGTRAP nostop noprint
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# [00:26] <jimb> jlebar: but I can't remember whether that makes all breakpoints stop working or not. :D
# [00:26] <jlebar> jimb, I was going to try that, but gdb warned me that I should not.
# [00:26] <jlebar> jimb, Yeah. :)
# [00:26] <jimb> I guess it will!
# [00:26] <jimb> Sorry!
# [00:27] <jimb> I have to take off too
# [00:27] <jlebar> :) It's OK. GDB served me well today, got me into a bug I'd been chasing for months.
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# [00:27] <sfink> is there a way to pass the signal a SIGSTOP, detach, and reattach with a different gdb?
# [00:27] <jlebar> thanks, jimb.
# [00:27] <sfink> pass the process, I mean
# [00:27] <jimb> Ah, good to hear. No problem!
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# [00:27] <glandium> jimb: hey, would you have a few moments for feedback on the patch for bug 753401?
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# [00:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/d9a8bb8a5533 - Bobby Holley - Bug 780370 - Remap objects from standard prototypes even if they're explicitly exposed. r=mrbkap a=lsblakk
# [00:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/647876f95fea - Bobby Holley - Bug 780370 - Clarify the compartment situation in ChromeObjectWrapper. r=mrbkap
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# [01:02] <philor> RyanVM: you already realized that gps's backout needed a clobber, right?
# [01:02] <RyanVM> philor: yep, and I did so before landing on inbound
# [01:03] <philor> oh, wonder which tree I had open thinking it was an unclobbered m-c
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# [01:03] <philor> probably fx-team, since it starts with f
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# [01:08] <RyanVM> well, I had to clobber m-c too
# [01:08] <RyanVM> but that was a bit earlier
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# [01:10] <njn> ehsan: I'm not sure what I'm looking for in the profile for bug 789975
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# [01:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2e588425bf78 - Joe Drew - Bug 706908 - Add a definition for Windows 8 to gfxPlatform. r=bbondy a=bajaj
# [01:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a6cf6997536f - Joe Drew - Bug 706908 - Support Windows 8 from gfxInfo and the graphics blacklist. r=bjacob a=bajaj
# [01:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/5020f7413641 - Joe Drew - Bug 706908 - Tests for Windows 8 version, and some other OS version tests. r=bjacob a=bajaj
# [01:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b0b919b01fcf - Chris Peterson - Bug 772252 - Remove special casing of ALT key codes that broke ALT locking. r=blassey a=lsblakk
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# [01:20] <tanvi> when you send an xhr request, and the server sends a response with headers but no actual text, does that cause a javascript error?
# [01:20] <tanvi> i'm getting an Error in the webconsole that says no element found
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# [01:21] <NeilAway> tanvi: well, you'll get an xml parse error if you don't get any xml back
# [01:21] <NeilAway> tanvi: assuming you're expecting xml, of course
# [01:21] <@ehsan> njn: I'm not sure either, seems like the memory reporter stuff
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# [01:21] <njn> ehsan: I don't even know how to read those profiles, can you tell me how to?
# [01:22] <njn> ehsan: I can't even find memory-reporter-related stuff in there
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# [01:22] <@ehsan> njn: well, I seem to be getting an imprecise C++ stack, but if you look for js frames (for example, by clicking javascript only in the UI) then you'll see Telemetry.jsm in there
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# [01:23] <njn> ehsan: gatherMemory() ?
# [01:23] <@ehsan> yep
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# [01:24] <tanvi> NeilAway - going to try responding with response.write(" ");
# [01:24] <njn> gatherMemory: function gatherMemory() {
# [01:24] <njn> huh
# [01:24] <tanvi> and see if that works
# [01:24] <bholley> mccr8: yt?
# [01:24] <mccr8> bholley: I am
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# [01:24] <bholley> mccr8: re: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784792#c3
# [01:25] <bholley> mccr8: so you confirmed that the window was dying, but IsClosedOrClosing() was false?
# [01:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7585c9b91877 - David Anderson - Use --disable-ion on all ARM and B2G builds (bug 789373, r=aki).
# [01:25] <tanvi> yup, works for text/html content-type
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# [01:26] <mccr8> bholley: maybe? I don't really remember any more...
# [01:26] <bholley> mccr8: okie dokie
# [01:26] <mccr8> beyond what I put in there. maybe billm remembers more than me, though he's not around until tomorrow, I think.
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# [01:27] <mccr8> also I was only pinging you in the bug because I wanted to make sure you didn't miss it in the post-vacation deluge. ;)
# [01:27] <mccr8> bholley: ^
# [01:27] <njn> ehsan: odd that no children of gatherMemory() are listed; I'm not sure what to make of that
# [01:28] <bholley> mccr8: understood and appreciated :-) didn't mean for it to sound snarky
# [01:28] <mccr8> just making sure. :)
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# [01:29] <bholley> mccr8: what is gcslice?
# [01:30] <tanvi> works with some xml too. thanks NeilAway!
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# [01:32] <mccr8> bholley: some kind of parameter that controls how much work the GC does in each slive.
# [01:32] <mccr8> slice
# [01:33] <bholley> mccr8: ok. But when I see fuzzPriv.gcslice(..), that's tantamount to a gc, right?
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# [01:34] <mccr8> bholley: I think so. with such a huge number I think it should be roughly equivalent to just doing a full GC.
# [01:34] <mccr8> bholley: well, or finishing off the current GC.
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# [01:35] <bholley> mccr8: in an IGC sense?
# [01:35] <mccr8> bholley: so basically it is saying, "Hey GC, work on that current GC, and you have up to X ms to work on it"
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# [01:35] <mccr8> bholley: yes.
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# [01:37] <njn> ehsan: in bug 789975 is it a debug build or an opt build?
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# [01:39] <myk> sicking: given that there are no preprocessor directives in XPIDL files, how would you recommend removing installPackage from the nsIDOMApplicationRegistry interface for Desktop/Fennec?
# [01:40] <myk> (at least it doesn't seem like preprocessor directives are supported)
# [01:40] <sicking> myk: you'd have to put installPackaged on a separate interface, and then only QI to that interface as needed
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# [01:41] <sicking> myk: and also only put the second interface in classinfo as needed
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# [01:43] <Jesse> dbaron: curious how you found http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/969f3050f9af
# [01:43] <myk> sicking: ah, ok
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# [01:44] <@dbaron> Jesse, jtcranmer had a code coverage run up for a while
# [01:44] <@dbaron> Jesse, but it seems to have disappeared again!
# [01:45] <Jesse> dbaron: ok. decoder has some too.
# [01:45] <@dbaron> Jesse, actually, http://people.mozilla.org/~jcranmer2/m-ccov/ seems to work
# [01:45] <@dbaron> Jesse, but it appears visually identical to a URL that doesn't work
# [01:45] <@dbaron> Jesse, and I can't tell the difference
# [01:46] <@dbaron> Jesse, it seems to be alternating between 200 and 404
# [01:47] <decoder> i only have an older measurement online
# [01:47] <Jesse> ok who filled dbaron's history with zero-width space chars
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# [01:47] <decoder> dbaron: http://users.own-hero.net/~decoder/mc-tests-all/
# [01:47] <decoder> 1 month old
# [01:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/51f3fe3dbd81 - julian.reschke@gmx.de - Bug 783502: fix potential read past end of string. r=jduell, a=akeybl
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# [01:49] <decoder> but jcranmer has a way to obtain coverage data from try pushes now =)
# [01:49] <decoder> I helped improving parts of it and I can say it works quite well so far
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# [01:52] <Waldo> firebot: ping
# [01:52] <firebot> Waldo: pong
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# [02:16] <Ameya> I haderror while compiling mozilla-central tree..
# [02:16] <Ameya> Just downloaded brand new repository ... But still getting this error...
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# [02:19] <Ameya> fatal error: opening dependency file .deps/elf-dynstr-gc.pp: No such file or directory
# [02:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/96287ad60bef - Arnaud Sourioux - Bug 752313 - Add #include <unistd.h> to crashreporter_gtk_common.cpp to fix build failures. r=ted
# [02:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7585c9b91877 - David Anderson - Use --disable-ion on all ARM and B2G builds (bug 789373, r=aki).
# [02:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/226e39fdb2a8 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
# [02:19] <gps> Ameya: it is a known issue. see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789837
# [02:19] <Ameya> ok
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# [02:23] <erasmas> hello. I submitted a firefox bug report and want to know if anyone here can take a look and let me know if it needs more information/see if you can validate it
# [02:23] <erasmas> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790068
# [02:24] <erasmas> I am fairly certain it's an actual bug in firefox but if anyone knows a lot about popstate and the back button history I'd really like to discuss further
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# [02:29] <bnicholson> what do i have to do to use .h files generated in my objdir/path/to/idl/_xpidgen/ directory? is there something i need to add to my makefile?
# [02:29] <bnicholson> if i copy the .h file to my source directory it works fine, but it doesn't otherwise
# [02:29] <padenot> is that for ipdl files?
# [02:30] <bnicholson> it's an idl for a component written in JS
# [02:30] <bnicholson> (not sure if that means yes or no)
# [02:30] <padenot> it means no
# [02:30] <bnicholson> ok
# [02:31] <padenot> I just confused two things for a moment, can't help you on that one, sorry
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# [02:34] <mbrubeck> erasmas: It's late in the day (or night) for most full-time Firefox developers so you might not get a quick response, but that looks like a good bug report; thanks very much for the reduced test case!
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# [02:35] <erasmas> mbrubeck: ok, good to know -- thanks! is it best to wait for a response through bugzilla then?
# [02:35] <mbrubeck> Yeah... let me see if I can at least find a good component for it...
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# [02:38] <erasmas> mbrubeck: awesome. thanks again
# [02:39] <mbrubeck> erasmas: If it doesn't get some attention soon, feel free to poke us on IRC too.
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# [02:50] <mrbkap> Is there a particular version of clang I should be using on OSX?
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# [03:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3cdc078b6738 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 782865 - Keyboard simple quote character does not work in OOP applications [r=cjones]
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# [03:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71d1333ca77f - Anthony Jones - Bug 591358 - Part 3: Lazy creation of the draw target in order to save memory and improve performance. r=roc
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# [03:41] <jlebar|usopen> ted: nthomas I fixed the script, but it's now broken for older builds, starting with some unknown vintage. I guess it's strictly better than it was. :-/ http://hg.mozilla.org/users/jwatt_jwatt.org/fetch-symbols/rev/ce4848a1ff21
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# [03:44] <philor> rats, I didn't get a single talos improvement on other trees by running mochitests on try
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# [03:45] <philor> stupid iCal, not being a perf hog - you can bet that if iCal's perf runs mostly but not always had Firefox running, they'd notice the difference!
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# [03:56] <RyanVM> philor: huh?
# [03:58] <philor> RyanVM: test_handlerApps opens iCal on Mac, and leaves it open; on 10.7+, apps that are open at the time of a reboot get reopened, so every 10.7 slave which has run mochitest-5 since it was last reimaged has iCal open, so I was hoping that by triggering a hundred or so runs of mochitest-5 with the disabled code to kill iCal at the end of the test enabled, I would get talos wins on trees other than try, by running mochitests on try :)
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# [03:59] <RyanVM> i see
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# [04:03] <RyanVM> interesting idea
# [04:04] <philor> a few of the graphs I looked at looked a little less noisy, but not enough to say for sure it even had an effect on that
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# [04:05] <philor> fortunately, the test and the component are both unowned, so I can just kill the whole thing at will :)
# [04:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d7c1d26f8bc9 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 716575 (1/4) - Add a scriptable interface to GetViewportInfo [r=dbaron]
# [04:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7b15c079564c - Matt Brubeck - Bug 716575 (2/4) - Make Fennec use the platform GetViewportInfo code [r=mfinkle]
# [04:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/38052fd23aec - Matt Brubeck - Bug 716575 (4/4) - Tests for GetViewportInfo [r=dbaron]
# [04:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/910406b62ebc - Matt Brubeck - Bug 716575 (3/4) - Move viewport pixel ratio calculations into the platform [r=dbaron,jwir3,mfinkle,roc]
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# [04:16] <joe> jlebar: oh god i am vomiting everywhere
# [04:16] <jlebar> joe, I'm sorry, I really am.
# [04:17] <@dolske> O_o
# [04:17] <joe> did you manage to re-reproduce it in a debugger?
# [04:17] <joe> oh
# [04:17] <joe> i see
# [04:17] <joe> you mentioned that
# [04:17] <nthomas> jlebar: would a threshold date be useful ?
# [04:17] <jlebar> nthomas, It would be helpful inasmuch as it would inform whether we should care about fixing the script.
# [04:19] * @dolske wants to know what jlebar did to make joe react that way
# [04:19] <@dolske> and more importantly how I can do it too ;)
# [04:19] <joe> https://bug744309.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=659932
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# [04:19] <joe> + mFinishing = true;
# [04:19] <joe> mInDecoder = true;
# [04:19] <joe> decoder->Finish();
# [04:19] <joe> mInDecoder = false;
# [04:19] <joe> + mFinishing = false;
# [04:19] <joe> o god o god
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# [04:20] <@dolske> heh
# [04:20] <@dolske> someone made a similar face when I suggested using "while(1) { }" as an easy way to make the code wait until you had a debugger attached
# [04:21] <joe> and then write to memory to nop out the code?
# [04:22] <nthomas> jlebar: looks like you only need to care for releases older than 15.0, all the older style nightlies fell out of crash-stats already
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# [04:22] <jlebar> joe, Just assign to $pc. :)
# [04:22] <joe> jlebar: oh duh
# [04:22] <jlebar> nthomas, Hm, okay. I guess we don't care, except for ESR.
# [04:22] <jlebar> nthomas, Thanks.
# [04:23] <jlebar> nthomas, And release, of course. :)
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# [04:27] <philor> uh oh, that probably means I'm on inbound and central duty
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# [04:28] <drexler> anyone know how to simulate a file drag and drop with JS. i have looked at sythesizeDrop : http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/services/sync/tps/extensions/mozmill/resource/stdlib/EventUtils.js.html#l530
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# [04:29] <drexler> but doesn't meet my needs exactly. i know how to retrieve a local file via QIs and all that ...but simulating a drop onto another element...i'm badly stumped there.
# [04:29] <drexler> ideas??
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# [04:35] <@dolske> my understanding is that is hard-to-impossible, since it's driven by OS level stuff.
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# [04:43] <jcranmer|away> Jesse, dbaron: (not that he's here) I lost my pmo account again :-(
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# [04:45] <jcranmer> decoder: now that I'm back from Poland, I'll try to look at your pull request
# [04:46] * philor should really start screaming "OMG GET IT OFF THERE, NOW!" every time someone mentions a people URL
# [04:47] <jcranmer> philor: why?
# [04:48] <philor> jcranmer: because it's a handy way to share something that a single person can download sometime in the next 10 minutes, but we persist in putting things there that we will want to see next year
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# [04:49] <philor> the multi-year project to shut off external network access for build and test slaves started when ~vlad went away, and surprise, broke the build
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# [04:51] <vlad> philor: hmm?
# [04:51] <vlad> was something depenending on my people dir?
# [04:51] <philor> I'm going to have to start spelling your nick differently :)
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# [04:52] <philor> yeah, wayback, some test was
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# [04:52] <vlad> huh, weird
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# [04:54] <jcranmer> my intent was to just use it as a public share repository for "hey look at these results I've produced that require fifteen hundred HTML files"
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# [04:55] <philor> "and look at them quickly"
# [04:56] <philor> mmm, green debug 10.7/10.8 crashtests, and I only need to throw three tests under the bus
# [04:57] <philor> if you were planning on writing a crashtest for Mac, with an <applet> in it, ever, tough luck
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# [04:58] <jcranmer> I overwrote the results with new ones
# [04:58] <jcranmer> does that count as "look at them quickly"
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# [05:26] <njn> wow, dzbarsky is impatient
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# [05:27] <njn> philor: I try not to land on m-i too soon after someone else. E.g. just about never less than 5 minutes, and I feel better if it's 15 or more. Am I just a sentimental fool?
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# [05:28] <philor> njn: in your timezone, two minutes is probably enough - we really only get behind on Windows slaves in the US daytime, and there's no way you can predict reasonable spacing to avoid test coalescing, only build coalescing
# [05:29] <dzbarsky> njn: ?
# [05:29] <philor> your quick landing right behind him, in part because he's remembering the days when we didn't start builds until 3 minutes later, so you would have gotten every single one of his builds
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# [05:33] <njn> no biggie
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# [05:39] <KWierso|Home> carefully?
# [05:42] <Unfocused> good-first-bug
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# [05:42] <KWierso|Home> Unfocused++
# [05:42] <philor> heh
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# [05:49] <philor> oh, yay, mbrubeck's busted push is the one that was busted on try, and we thought was busted slaves
# [05:50] <philor> perhaps it's not a good idea to have a third of the test slaves unable to run reftests
# [05:50] <philor> and no talos runs, because why run talos on try?
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# [05:51] <KWierso|Home> if a test doesn't run, it doesn't fail!
# [05:51] <philor> that's what I always remind myself of, whenever I start bitching about test coalescing
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# [06:00] <philor> sorry you had to run hidden for 11 months, little 10.7
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# [07:36] <JonathanS> njn, that sounds like MS implementation of JS.
# [07:37] <njn> JonathanS: what does "MS" stand for in that sentence?
# [07:37] <JonathanS> Microsoft
# [07:37] <cjones> i love it when zimbra logs me out when i'm *in the middle of composing an email*
# [07:38] <cjones> and it didn't save a draft, awesomesauce
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# [09:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c732735ca470 - SADINENI RAVI CHANDRA - Bug 654618: Fix signed/unsigned comparison warnings in nptest.cpp. r=bsmedberg
# [09:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fd2e8c30eade - Daniel Holbert - Bug 790043: Make nsDeviceStorage consistent on using PRTime for all of its "aSince" / "mSince" vars. r=dougt
# [09:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/15cf1eba0f0a - SADINENI RAVI CHANDRA - Bug 720804: Remove unused variables dolPt and fmt from nsTextFormatter.cpp. r=bsmedberg
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# [09:09] <Mossop> philor: Aww you totally midaired my snarky comment :(
# [09:09] <philor> he was quick for .in spam, he midaired me with his move
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# [09:13] <KWierso|Home> philor++
# [09:14] * Callek wonders what bug I didn't see
# [09:15] <KWierso|Home> 790159
# [09:15] <philor> oh, heh, you're the first product alphabetically, aren't you?
# [09:15] <KWierso|Home> yeah
# [09:15] <KWierso|Home> fun times
# [09:16] <philor> a11y's component is "disability access apis" because they didn't like being the first component in core
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# [09:16] <Mossop> We should change to Zadd-on SDK
# [09:16] <KWierso|Home> No, then we'd be at the end of the list
# [09:17] <KWierso|Home> "Baddon SDK"?
# [09:17] <philor> Jetpack is nice
# [09:17] <KWierso|Home> urg, "ba" is still before "boot2gecko"...
# [09:17] <philor> no worse than tabviewcandyrama
# [09:17] <Mossop> Bacon SDK?
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# [09:17] <KWierso|Home> Mossop++
# [09:17] <philor> :)
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# [09:18] <KWierso|Home> ship it
# [09:19] <gaston> hm so bug 651803 is a testcase for bugzilla's biggest dependency list ? :)
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# [09:19] <glob> yeah, that bug's getting unwieldy (and i don't see the point of it to be honest)
# [09:20] <KWierso|Home> I thought it was to get the attention of the people that can disable a spammer's account or something
# [09:20] <Mossop> What is the point? Are people watching it to ban accounts or anything?
# [09:20] <philor> I didn't see the point of it until the first time I duped to it, and sent bugmail to all 269 cc's
# [09:20] <Mossop> LOL
# [09:20] <glob> Mossop, i'm not aware of any bmo admin acting on it
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# [09:21] <philor> probably intentionally unco
# [09:21] <Mossop> Just change the status every few days, whatever
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# [09:21] <KWierso|Home> the "report spam bugs here" bug itself becomes the spam bug
# [09:21] <KWierso|Home> brilliant!
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# [09:23] <ewong> glob does changing stuff on this bug bugspam valid users?
# [09:24] <ewong> especially those watching Firefox::General
# [09:24] <glob> ewong, it spams anyone CCd or watching that bug
# [09:24] <glob> or component
# [09:24] <glob> yes, it will
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# [09:24] <ewong> oh..that's not good..
# [09:24] <KWierso|Home> only everyone that's duped a bug to it with the default settings
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# [09:24] <Mossop> So what you mean is, we should move it to one of the graveyards
# [09:24] <glob> it also dramatically increases the work bmo has to perform when compared with just marking the spam bug as invalid
# [09:25] <KWierso|Home> I'm sure we have a bug somewhere we can dupe it to
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# [09:25] <glob> KWierso|Home, lol
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# [09:25] <KWierso|Home> "dupe obsolete bugs that seemed like a good idea at the time here"
# [09:26] <ewong> should there be a separate component to stick these bugs?
# [09:26] <glob> ewong, define "these bugs"
# [09:26] <ewong> glob 'duped invalid bugs'
# [09:26] <glob> ewong, the spam bug, or the one people are duplicating against
# [09:26] <ewong> instead of going to Firefox:General
# [09:27] <ewong> glob the spam bug
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# [09:27] <glob> what's wrong with leaving the bug where it was reported and marking it as invalid?
# [09:27] <KWierso|Home> nothing. I just saw others duping to that one and followed suit like the good little sheep I am
# [09:28] <ewong> glob basically any changes to the spam bug (in the current component) would bugspam valid addresses
# [09:28] <glob> ewong, well, we should stop using bug 651803
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# [09:29] <ewong> glob well, eventually the next bug will fill up in duplicates.
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# [09:29] <KWierso|Home> if no one's watching the spam-reporting bug, there's no sense in having one, imo
# [09:29] <ewong> of course, this assumes the 'new users' are still not clued in that this is the production bugzilla
# [09:29] <glob> KWierso|Home++
# [09:29] <KWierso|Home> marking the bug as invalid would be the least spammy action available
# [09:30] <ewong> KWierso|Home: good pt
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# [09:31] <KWierso|Home> well, if I'm making sense, the cold medicine must be working. good night/day, everyone! :)
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# [09:34] <ewong> KWierso|Home: get well soon. :)
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# [09:36] <ewong> on a different question, is /will there be any plans to have git be included into the mozbuild package?
# [09:37] <Callek> ewong: git Q should be asked in #pymake
# [09:37] <Callek> and of khuey/ted most likely
# [09:37] <ewong> Callek ok thanks
# [09:38] <ewong> there's a Build-system tree?
# [09:40] <Jesse> gaston: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651803 has nothing on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=jsfunfuzz
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# [09:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c8e5053af5ad - Mike Hommey - Bug 789837 - Properly set dependencies on .deps directories. r=ted
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# [10:06] <glazou> amazing the number of people trying to install bluegriffon add-ons into firefox and complaining it does not work :(
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# [10:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b9a39d8cb59d - Bobby Holley - Bug 789494 - Rip enablePrivilege out of misbehaving mochitests. r=mccr8
# [10:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1cef36c730eb - Bobby Holley - Bug 788914 - Remove dynamic UniversalXPConnect checks sprinkled around the wrapper code. r=mrbkap
# [10:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cefea6ee27bf - Bobby Holley - Bug 788914 - Remove enablePrivilege from bug 585922 tests. r=mrbkap
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# [10:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd0e15efc4a7 - Bobby Holley - Bug 788914 - Generate vanilla cross-compartment wrappers when UniversalXPConnect is enabled. r=mrbkap
# [10:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa0fba2eb327 - Bobby Holley - Bug 788914 - Kill partially transparent wrappers. r=mrbkap
# [10:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f5b4f0ecf01 - Bobby Holley - Bug 788914 - Kill the XOW flag. r=mrbkap
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# [10:42] <NeilAway> masayuki++
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# [10:51] <Callek> edmorley: any clue whats up with the Linux PGO orange on trunk?
# [10:51] * Callek never seen half those errors
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# [10:53] <edmorley> I'd clicked the summary but forgotten to press submit
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# [12:25] <ejpbruel> how on earth does one run a single mochitest?
# [12:25] <ejpbruel> i know about TEST_PATH but can't for the life of me figure out what path to use
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# [12:33] <paul> ejpbruel: for example: TEST_PATH=browser/devtools/responsivedesign/test/browser_responsiveui.js make -C ~/mozilla/obj mochitest-browser-chrome
# [12:33] <ejpbruel> paul: right, it was just totally non obvious for me where TEST_PATH should be relative to. i tried several permutations, only to figure out I've been using the wrong test suite
# [12:34] <darktrojan> heh
# [12:34] <ejpbruel> this stuff is so non obvious to newbies
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# [12:34] <darktrojan> firebot, bug 765688
# [12:34] <ejpbruel> it would be nice that when a test failed it would give you a line that tells you how to reproduce it
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# [12:34] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765688 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a script that make it simple to run any type of test by just specifying the filename
# [12:34] <ejpbruel> i mean, this: TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | chrome://mochitests/content/browser/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/xpinstall/browser_badargs.js | an unexpected uncaught JS exception reported through window.onerror - Error: at :0
# [12:34] <ejpbruel> is not helpful
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# [12:35] <ejpbruel> darktrojan++
# [12:35] <darktrojan> ^ (also includes such a script)
# [12:35] <ejpbruel> why isn't it in mozilla-central?
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# [12:36] <ejpbruel> hm?
# [12:36] <darktrojan> he's making it all obsolete
# [12:36] <ejpbruel> how so?
# [12:36] <darktrojan> replacing large chunks of the build system
# [12:36] <ejpbruel> is there an ETA for that?
# [12:36] <darktrojan> no idea
# [12:37] <ejpbruel> alright, thanks darktrojan
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# [12:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9615e179825 - Arnaud Bienner - Bug 790093 - Remove unnecessary const_cast in nsGfxButtonControlFrame.cpp. r=sicking
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# [12:43] <edmorley> ejpbruel: there is bug 673001
# [12:45] <ejpbruel> firebot: bug 673001
# [12:45] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673001 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show commands to run failing unittests, after the TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL
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# [13:49] <NeilAway> bah, I pressed Ctrl+W instead of Ctrl+Q :s
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# [13:58] <ejpbruel> ok so i have a failing test that i wrote
# [13:58] <ejpbruel> chrome://mochitests/content/chrome/js/xpconnect/tests/chrome/test_bug720619.xul |
# [13:58] <ejpbruel> how do i run this one test from the shell?
# [13:58] <ejpbruel> TEST_PATH=content/chrome/js/xpconnect/tests/chrome/test_bug720619.xul make mochitest-chrome doesn't work, of course
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# [14:00] <@gavin> ejpbruel: I don't think chrome tests supply single-test runs from the command line
# [14:01] <@gavin> er, support*
# [14:01] <ejpbruel> gavin: but of course
# [14:01] <@gavin> if you start it without test-path, you can search and click on the individual test
# [14:01] <ejpbruel> *sigh*
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# [14:01] <ejpbruel> thanks
# [14:02] <darktrojan> you need to add -C objdir to that, ejpbruel
# [14:02] <ejpbruel> darktrojan: not when I'm running make from within my objdir, afaik
# [14:02] <darktrojan> oh
# [14:02] * darktrojan shrugs then
# [14:02] <ejpbruel> :)
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# [15:22] <edmorley> does anyone know why we don't do pgo builds on os x?
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# [15:23] <bhearsum> i have a vague memory of something to do with the old gcc not being able to do pgo, or it not being faster or something....
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# [15:23] <glandium> edmorley: i /think/ it's because the old gcc either didn't support pgo or was doing a pretty bad job with it
# [15:23] <edmorley> ah
# [15:24] <bhearsum> hehe
# [15:24] <glandium> another part of the problem is that it would require more work than just turn it on, because the profile would have to run on both x86 and x64
# [15:24] <froydnj> probably didn't support pgo, gcc pgo is relatively new
# [15:25] <edmorley> now that we're using clang, I guess we could revisit the decision?
# [15:26] <froydnj> yes
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# [15:29] <NeilAway> glandium: out of interest, where is mkdir_deps defined?
# [15:29] <glandium> NeilAway: somewhere under config/makefiles
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# [15:32] <aja> speaking of x64....planning on turning on win64 builds on mozilla-aurora ?
# [15:32] <NeilAway> glandium: hah, I actually looked at that file before, because it fails when you build on FAT
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# [15:33] <aja> s /has/hasn't/
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# [15:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/af6c294d2bc7 - Michael Anderson - Bug 786603 - Misc coding style fixes in Readability.js (r=lucasr)
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# [15:44] <edmorley> aja: lack of support for them, not enough hardware etc
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# [15:47] <jimm> smaug: so sad
# [15:48] <janv> gabor: pong
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# [15:49] <gabor> janv: Hey there, I just wanted to ask you about indexeddb... do you have some time?
# [15:49] <janv> a bit
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# [15:50] <gabor> janv: I also CC'ed you to the bug so it's fine if you take a look at it later...
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# [15:50] <janv> hmm
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# [15:51] <gabor> janv: it's about creating indexddb from a sandbox, with chrome principal and without a window for addons
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# [15:51] <janv> gabor: there's a similar work in progress
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# [15:51] <janv> for installed apps
# [15:51] <gabor> janv: that's good news :)
# [15:51] <gabor> janv: do you have a bug number by any chance?
# [15:52] <janv> one sec
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# [15:54] <@bsmedberg> Is pdf.js enabled by default in Fx15?
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# [15:55] <janv> gabor: probably this bug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756645
# [15:56] <aja> bsmedberg: think it got disabled days b4 release, iirc
# [15:56] <janv> gabor: and I think all chrome dbs currently use "chrome" origin
# [15:57] <janv> gabor: so you probably need to prefix that with addon id or something similar
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# [15:58] <aja> bsmedberg: perhaps for selected platform
# [15:58] <gabor> janv: thanks a lot, I will look into this
# [15:58] <espindola> bhearsum, "old" gcc being 4.2?
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# [15:59] <espindola> it has no pgo I think
# [15:59] <bhearsum> espindola: i dunno
# [15:59] <gabor> janv: probably this is what I need
# [15:59] <janv> ok
# [15:59] <bhearsum> whatever we used before clang, i guess
# [15:59] <janv> cool
# [15:59] <espindola> bhearsum, what platfrom?
# [15:59] <bhearsum> mac
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# [15:59] <@smaug> jimm: touch events?
# [15:59] <espindola> yes, no pgo
# [15:59] <bhearsum> we were talking about why we didn't do PGO on mac
# [15:59] <@smaug> or what?
# [15:59] <bhearsum> ahhh, ok
# [15:59] <bhearsum> edmorley: ^
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# [15:59] <@smaug> jimm: I don't recall what kind of touch events we have on windows
# [15:59] <espindola> or not a working one, not sure. I think the first gcc pgo that worked for us was from 4.5
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# [16:00] <edmorley> espindola: I asked earlier why we didn't do PGO on OS X
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# [16:00] <jimm> smaug: we patches for the w3c events, they just never landed.
# [16:00] <edmorley> espindola: which led to, "now we're switched to clang, perhaps we can revisit the decision"
# [16:00] <jimm> assuming the front end handles them correctly
# [16:00] <@smaug> uh
# [16:00] <@smaug> felipe: ^
# [16:00] <espindola> edmorley, we could try lto, but pgo is just being added to clang
# [16:01] <jimm> smaug: I took the bug, the work is approved but the patches are bitrotted, I'll get them cleaned up.
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# [16:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee490f6ac4e6 - Bas Schouten - Bug 790222: Fix azure stand-alone build. r=BenWa
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# [16:04] <@smaug> jimm: thanks!
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# [16:07] <@bsmedberg> johns: ping
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# [16:18] <jlebar> smaug, Should an internal Gecko interface which has onfoo handlers declare those as jsval, nsIRunnable, or something else?
# [16:18] <jlebar> smaug, I thought nsIRunnable would be good, since it's strongly typed, but it looks like we don't do that in as many places as I'd expect.
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# [16:19] <@smaug> jlebar: certainly not nsIRunnable
# [16:19] <@smaug> I don't quite understand why you'd use nsIrunnable
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# [16:19] <jlebar> smaug, Well, he just wants a void callback function.
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# [16:19] <jlebar> smaug, It's not even handleFoo(event)
# [16:19] <@bz> smaug: ping, if you get a sec?
# [16:19] <@smaug> ah
# [16:19] <yury> bsmedberg: it was disabled for 15/16/17, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786012
# [16:20] <@smaug> bz: pong
# [16:20] <aja> <zb reversed>++
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# [16:21] <@smaug> jlebar: which bug is this about?
# [16:21] <jlebar> smaug, webfm, bug 779500.
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# [16:21] <jlebar> smaug, he has an nsIFMRadio interface with attribute jsval onfoo, in a few places.
# [16:22] <jlebar> smaug, They're not real event listeners, though.
# [16:22] <jlebar> smaug, Because, sigh.
# [16:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc30225833c4 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 784549 - lockOrientation() should accept an Array of DOMString's in addition of a DOMString. r=jlebar,khuey
# [16:22] <jlebar> smaug, But you'll be happy to hear that we're going to rewrite this whole thing in C++.
# [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a5172faed9eb - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 787532 - Update Android HAL backend to take into account new screen lock values. r=jlebar
# [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3dd6cd68fb47 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 787538 - Make sure the event listener is disconnected if the screen lock is rejected by the backend. r=jlebar
# [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f50654b6b00a - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 724878 - Make nsPermissionManager DB access (except init) async. r=jlebar
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# [16:22] <@smaug> jlebar: I noticed your comment about C++ and was happy immediately :)
# [16:23] <@smaug> jlebar: if they aren't event handlers, don't call then onfoo
# [16:23] <@smaug> them
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# [16:24] <jlebar> smaug, Supposing they are event handlers, what interface should we use?
# [16:25] <@smaug> nsIDOMEventListener
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# [16:26] <jlebar> smaug, Okay.
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# [16:34] <@bz> smaug: I cced you on this bug about .innerHTML
# [16:34] <@bz> smaug: where we no longer escape '<' and '>' in attr values
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# [16:34] <@bz> smaug: but we used to, and WebKit does
# [16:34] <@bz> smaug: spec says not to
# [16:35] <@bz> smaug: Opera does not
# [16:35] <@bz> smaug: thoughts? ;)
# [16:36] <@smaug> bz: I did say following the spec is scary :)
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# [16:37] <sewardj> derf: ping
# [16:38] <@bz> smaug: ;)
# [16:38] <@bz> aja: hmm?
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# [16:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef085eb72cd8 - James Willcox - Bug 750217 - Don't schedule plugin timers if the plugin isn't running r=josh
# [16:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8bebc4a08179 - James Willcox - Bug 778442 - Add some null guards in nsPluginInstanceOwner::GetVisibleRect r=blassey
# [16:40] <aja> bz: twas just props for <ol reversed>
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# [16:40] <@smaug> felipe: can you run https://bug788444.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=658679 in IE
# [16:40] <derf> sewardj: Pong.
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# [16:41] <aja> bz: guessing you noticed opera landing it too
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# [16:42] <felipe> smaug: <val pilou="<toto>&" attr="<popo"></val>
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# [16:42] <@smaug> thanks
# [16:42] <baku> bz I updated the benchmark for transferrable objects.
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# [16:43] <felipe> smaug: <val attr="<popo" pilou="<toto>&"></val>
# [16:44] <@bz> aja: I don't really track Opera stuff
# [16:44] <@bz> baku: cool. Is our support in a nightly yet, do you know?
# [16:44] <@smaug> bz: felipe's latter copy-paste is from IE
# [16:44] <@bz> smaug: sounds like WebKit is odd duck out now
# [16:44] <@bz> smaug: yeah
# [16:44] <@bz> smaug: I vote invalid
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# [16:44] <@smaug> yup
# [16:45] <sewardj> derf: what's the name of the branch containing the stuff you were telling me about?
# [16:45] <derf> sewardj: alder
# [16:45] <derf> sewardj: You should probably join #media
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# [16:46] <@bz> smaug: you commenting, or should I?
# [16:46] <@smaug> bz: just didd
# [16:46] <@smaug> did even
# [16:46] <@bz> smaug: sweet
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# [16:47] <baku> bz, no. my patch is still under review.
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# [16:50] <@bz> baku: ok
# [16:50] <@bz> baku: how does it compare with Chrome perf-wise?
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# [16:52] <jb6953> Anyone aware of any issues with recent nightlies and SOCKS proxies?
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# [16:54] <jb6953> I suspect a regression from Bug 652928, but I'm not certain
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# [16:56] <pedro> hey there
# [16:56] <pedro> I'm following a huuuuuuuuuuge thread about random crashes in ubuntu, and the latest trend of comments report that the crashes are related to firefox
# [16:57] <pedro> I asked for people that are able to reproduce it to disable hardware accel and see if that can be causing the issue
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# [16:57] <@smaug> do we have hw accel on linux
# [16:57] <pedro> but does anyone know of any known crashes in linux?
# [16:57] <pedro> well - the checkbox is there, no clue what it does
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# [16:57] <pedro> this is a total system hang
# [16:58] <pedro> only a force poweroff will do any good
# [16:58] <pedro> I personally don't have that problem
# [16:58] <pedro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/993187 <- this is the thread
# [16:58] <@smaug> pedro: haven't heard of such problem
# [16:58] <baku> bz, my build is in debug mode. I have to recompile. I'll write a new ocmment when I have the new results.
# [16:59] <@smaug> pedro: finding regression range would be very useful
# [16:59] <@smaug> if it is about FF
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# [16:59] <baku> bz, then I compare it with Chrome
# [16:59] <@smaug> pedro: what about this comment: "Updating the kernel to 3.3.6 as suggested by Michael in #91, the system seems stable"
# [17:00] <@smaug> Fedora17+3.4.x on this laptop was a bit unstable
# [17:00] <@smaug> 3.5.x is much better
# [17:00] <pedro> smaug: that's a big thread, with lots of comments and causes, apparently
# [17:00] <@smaug> don't know reasons
# [17:00] <pedro> on my case, acpi was causing random crashes
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# [17:00] <pedro> ok, I just wanted to check if there was some known effect
# [17:00] <@smaug> pedro: "It can be when I surf the web with firefox or when I read a pdf file in evince."
# [17:00] <@smaug> doesn't sound FF only problem
# [17:00] <@bz> baku: sounds great
# [17:01] <pedro> I added a comment there for people that are claiming it's firefox to test w/o hw accel
# [17:01] <@bz> smaug: 3.5.x gcc, kernel, or Firefox? ;)
# [17:01] <@smaug> :)
# [17:01] <@smaug> kernel
# [17:01] <pedro> smaug: yeah, I'm not convinced too
# [17:01] <pedro> hehehe
# [17:01] <@smaug> bz: there was no 3.4.x FF
# [17:01] * @bz suggests we try a combination of all three
# [17:01] <@bz> smaug: yes, I know
# [17:01] <pedro> anyway - I'll keep an eye on it
# [17:01] <@bz> smaug: but then you were talking about 3.5.x!
# [17:01] <@smaug> I know you know
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# [17:04] <@smaug> pedro: but really, if someone can reproduce it, and it is related to firefox, regression range please! :)
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# [17:04] <@bz> tag, you're it
# [17:05] <pedro> smaug: I'll ask
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# [17:05] <@smaug> pedro: also, if it is related to FF, please get someone to file a bug in mozilla's bugzilla
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# [17:06] <pedro> yeah, of course
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# [17:07] <@ehsan> catlee: bhearsum: ping
# [17:08] <bhearsum> ehsan: yo
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# [17:08] <@ehsan> bhearsum: so, about the update bug, we do want the hotfix add-on to address beta as well, right?
# [17:08] <evilpie> the release tracking page looks unbelievable sparse
# [17:08] <bhearsum> ehsan: i would assume so, but that's a call to be made on release-drivers
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# [17:09] <@ehsan> bhearsum: ok, so I'll write to that list in order to come up with the version numbers
# [17:09] <@ehsan> thanks
# [17:09] <bhearsum> may even want it for aurora and nightly, i dunno how much we care about those
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# [17:09] <bhearsum> yw
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# [17:21] <jorendorff> so this is a really stupid question but i don't know where else to ask it: didn't we develop a whole new sweet curvy look for tabs and stuff? where is it? can i pref it on?
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# [17:22] <mfinkle> jorendorff, "australis"
# [17:23] <mfinkle> i don't think enough has landed yet to turn on
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# [17:24] <jorendorff> mfinkle: thanks! forgot the name.
# [17:24] <glandium> past: why is DebuggerServer.addGlobalActor defined in dbg-browser-actors.js. It seems it should be in dbg-server.js
# [17:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/89f97910df28 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 780529. Make people poking XHR via random XPCOM interfaces actually work as long as they stick to GetInterface. r=peterv, a=lsblakk
# [17:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/237128db4339 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 788369. Allow passing strings to the XHR constructor, since CoffeeScript seems to want to do it. r=peterv, a=lsblakk
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# [17:27] <gaston> jorendorff: it's already default in tb 15 on unix at least
# [17:27] <jorendorff> sweet!
# [17:27] <jorendorff> yeah, ISTR it's the default on mac too
# [17:27] <gaston> (i have it and i dont remember doing anything special for it)
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# [17:28] <gaston> but not in ffx
# [17:28] <@smaug> jaws should know about the status of australis
# [17:28] <jaws> hello
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# [17:29] <jaws> jorendorff: MattN is working on the australis tab shape now. i *think* it's targetting Fx19 at the moment
# [17:30] <@gavin> why 19?
# [17:30] <jorendorff> jaws: what can I do to get it into Fx18?
# [17:30] <@bsmedberg> Does anyone know whether the mingw build of Firefox is still maintained and who maintains it?
# [17:31] <jaws> Unfocused is working on the customization panel
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# [17:32] <jaws> jorendorff: you can track it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738491, not sure how it can be helped along though. maybe take some other bugs from MattN? :)
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# [17:34] <jimm> bsmedberg: I haven't seen any mingwin patches for widget in ages. I think it broke when we moved to vc10.
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# [17:34] <jimm> khuey|away might know more
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# [17:35] <@bsmedberg> bug 712594 was about mingw-w64, had action a month ago
# [17:35] <glandium> bsmedberg: i have seen mingw patches for the build system recentlyish.
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# [17:35] <@bsmedberg> yeah
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# [17:35] <@bsmedberg> I wonder if it's mainly Landry
# [17:35] <@bsmedberg> he does OpenBSD stuff too
# [17:35] <glandium> bsmedberg: Landry is doing openbsd.
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# [17:36] <glandium> bsmedberg: i think i only saw jacek do mingw stuff
# [17:36] <@bsmedberg> ok
# [17:36] <@bsmedberg> maybe I misunderstood the relationship in that bug
# [17:36] <gaston> sorry guys i cant be on the mingw _and_ openbsd front :)
# [17:37] <@bsmedberg> gaston: do you do freebsd/netbsd also, or just openbsd?
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# [17:39] <gaston> bsmedberg: jan beich (jbeich) does freebsd/dragonfly, i only do openbsd .. and for netbsd there's barely martin@netbsd.org but he's not upstreaming lots of fixes
# [17:39] <@bz> bsmedberg: yeah
# [17:39] <@bsmedberg> hrm ok
# [17:39] <@bz> bsmedberg: I complained about that
# [17:39] <@bz> bsmedberg: there might be a bug on it
# [17:39] <@bz> bsmedberg: I wish people would stop hand-rolling broken editors. :(
# [17:39] <@bz> bsmedberg: actually, I complained about something else, but there's _also_ a bug on the control thing....
# [17:39] <@bsmedberg> ok
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# [17:43] <@bsmedberg> Blech, I just spent 2 minutes looking for a "save my changes" button in MDN
# [17:45] <past> glandium: that is true. Initial versions required access to the browser actors, but now they no longer do
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# [17:46] <glandium> past: otoh, the extra actors thing you added in one of the patches i apply locally is in that file, too
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# [17:50] <espindola> bsmedberg, in 609210 you suggest using NS_WARN_IF_FAILED
# [17:50] <espindola> have we implemented a macro like that?
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# [17:51] <@bsmedberg> I don't see it in nsDebug.h, so probably not
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# [17:52] <espindola> ok , thanks
# [17:52] <reuben> mounir: hey, thanks for the review! any particular tests I should run? also, I didn't quite understand your comment about the asserts
# [17:53] <mkaply> When writing new Firefox component code in JS, should I always use let? Is there some rule for var versus let?
# [17:53] <mounir> reuben: just run the full test suite on MacOS
# [17:53] <mounir> more in case of that anything
# [17:54] <mounir> regarding the assert
# [17:54] <mounir> my comment is that you check if mRunLoopWhatever variable isn't null
# [17:54] <mounir> but if it's null, StopListening() is going to assert
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# [17:54] <mounir> so maybe you could also assert if it's null when you set it
# [17:54] <mounir> which prevents a if () block
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# [17:55] <mounir> if there are situations when this variable can be null for legitimate reasons, the code has to be fixed
# [17:55] <glandium> mkaply: i'm always wondering which to use
# [17:55] <reuben> ah, okay.
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# [18:03] <Cwiiis> can anyone tell me how I get the tests in layout/base/tests/chrome to run?
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# [18:03] <@bz> make TEST_PATH=layout/base/tests/chrome -C $objdir mochitest-chrome ?
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# [18:04] <Cwiiis> bz, doesn't work, no tests get run
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# [18:06] <@bz> try TEST_PATH=layout/base ?
# [18:06] <reuben> isn't the make target mochitest-browser-chrome?
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# [18:07] <reuben> nvm
# [18:07] <Cwiiis> bz, reuben, I've tried all configurations involving mochitest-(browser)-chrome and TEST_PATH=layout/base/tests(/chrome) and the tests don't get run (other tests get run)
# [18:07] <@bz> Cwiiis: weird
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# [18:07] <Cwiiis> bz, the answer was to delete the 's' in tests.
# [18:07] <Cwiiis> wtf.
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# [18:08] <@bz> oh
# [18:09] <@bz> cat layout/base/tests/chrome/Makefile.in
# [18:09] <@bz> relativesrcdir = layout/base/test/chrome
# [18:09] <@bz> FAIL
# [18:09] <@bz> and this is why relativesrcdir is evil
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# [18:09] <NeilAway> can't we just kill it?
# [18:09] <@bz> Should be using relativesrcdir = @relativesrcdir@
# [18:09] <@bz> if it uses anything at all
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# [18:14] <baku> bz, actually we are faster: chrome: 20ms 6760MB/s - firefox: 7ms 7318 MB/s
# [18:14] <baku> this is 20 loops roundtrip 64MB
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# [18:36] <jprmc> ehsan: huh, web audio api now shows up as supported for html5test.com - thats still a bit of a lie isn't it?
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# [18:38] <@smaug> jprmc: ha, no more a lie than what other browsers do with such tests :)
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# [18:39] <jlebar> If I'm in normal, vanilla Firefox, do I have a ContentChild singleton?
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# [18:39] <@smaug> no
# [18:39] <jlebar> bummer
# [18:39] <jlebar> Thanks. :)
# [18:39] <jprmc> smaug: somewhat; i think there is far less cheating by the big three than by say
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# [18:40] <jprmc> and reality is media and oems use these
# [18:40] <jprmc> because we can't point them at anything better
# [18:40] <mbrubeck> I still see "Web Audio API: No" on html5test.com in today's Firefox Nightly on Linux.
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# [18:41] <@smaug> jprmc: are you young enough to not remember what happened with acid3? :)
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# [18:41] <@smaug> mbrubeck: yeah, I think we actually added a pref to disable audio api, but perhaps it is only on latest Nightly or something
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# [18:42] <mbrubeck> ah, yes, it changes if I enable media.webaudio.enabled
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# [18:42] <jprmc> smaug: i do not disagree that we should build a better benchmark
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# [18:42] <jprmc> smaug: but i believe we should actively manage sensible benchmarks
# [18:43] <mbrubeck> jprmc: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788310
# [18:43] <jprmc> and point out alternatives for non-sensible ones
# [18:43] <mbrubeck> jprmc: I think smaug is pointing out that some of the "big 3" are not beyond "cheating" ;)
# [18:43] <jimb> Who's the best person to review a trivial change to the XPCOM tests?
# [18:43] <jprmc> smaug: in the case of html5test.com, there are a bunch of things we should just do
# [18:43] <jprmc> mbrubeck: fair, but its less blatant :-)
# [18:44] <@smaug> html5test has also stuff that shouldn't be tested
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# [18:44] <jprmc> mbrubeck: and i'm happy to work with press to descirbe how our 450 score is so much better than chromes :-)
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# [18:45] <jprmc> smaug: ehsan found and fixed a bug for mobile in the test
# [18:45] <@smaug> not sure what you mean with manage
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# [18:45] <@smaug> I've filed bugs on html5test
# [18:45] <jprmc> smaug: and there is a bug filed around File System API
# [18:45] <jprmc> to remove it
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# [18:46] <@smaug> looks like the page author processes bug reports pretty slowly
# [18:46] <jprmc> yes
# [18:46] <jprmc> it seems bursty
# [18:46] <jprmc> every couple of months or so
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# [18:59] <espindola> bz, I can mark 790286 as a duplicate
# [18:59] <espindola> do you want me to move the patch
# [18:59] <espindola> or do you like the one in 790123 better?
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# [19:02] <@bz> espindola: want to review it?
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# [19:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d059d752c212 - Steven Lee - Bug 714358: Time manager implementation. r=jlebar
# [19:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9efd6fc80405 - Steven Lee - Bug 714358 System time change implementation, r=mounir
# [19:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1ecd4ed6331e - Steven Lee - Bug 714358: Time manager interface. f=mounir, sr=mounir
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# [19:33] <dvander> PSA: we are about to merge the ionmonkey branch to mozilla-central. everything's green on our tbpl, but we'll be watching for immediate fallout
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# [19:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/66eedfc80913 - Bobby Holley - Bug 784792 - Remove IsClosedOrClosing() assertion. r=bz
# [19:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/132b9b646ebc - Bobby Holley - Bug 789713 - Ignore domain when computing whether to share non-PreCreate WNs cross-compartment. r=mrbkap
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# [19:35] <philor> whether or not I can see the bug
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# [19:38] <terrence> espindola: awesome! The DebugOnly was not triggering a build failure for me, but it is pretty obviously the cause
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# [19:39] <@ehsan> jprmc: yeah they just test for the existence of mozAudioContext
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# [19:40] <@ehsan> jprmc: I fixed that on saturday iirc so on recent nightlies it should show up as unsupported
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# [19:41] <sicking> mak: ping
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# [19:44] <mak> sicking: hi
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# [19:45] <sicking> mak: hey, awesome work on removing localStorage use from about:home!
# [19:45] <sicking> mak: would you be interested in converting the remaining uses to IDB too? Looking at the IDB code, it should work fine for about: pages on m-c
# [19:45] <mak> sicking: well, I'm only removing part of it, the other part will still be there (even if ideally it can be delayed easily)
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# [19:46] <sicking> mak: could I convince you to remove the remaining stuff too? Otherwise I can definitely do it
# [19:46] <mak> sicking: sure, provided it works on pages without a domain like about pages, we may use part of your patch and complete it
# [19:46] <sicking> mak: you don't actually need any of my patch to make IDB work in about: pages. It should work fine on m-c
# [19:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/28b674d2bbe4 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 788379 - Cancel the tap highlight if a touch event block is prevent-defaulted. r=wesj
# [19:47] <mak> sicking: it depends on how much it's blocking, I have some fallback reviews and regressions to chase, so not sure I can do the dom->idb soon enough
# [19:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/bc444c34d7de - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 789958 - Do not attempt to modify the file permissions in the updater if the file is being opened in read-only mode; r=rstrong a=akeybl
# [19:47] <sicking> mak: the main thing that my patch did was to allow chrome code from opening the IDB database of an arbitrary page (like about:home). But it doesn't look like you need that any more
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# [19:47] <mak> sicking: right, it's just the content that needs it now
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# [19:48] <sicking> mak: ok. I'll do that then. The patch you have is about to land though, right?
# [19:48] <sicking> mak: or are the regressions from it?
# [19:48] <mak> sicking: I will definitely land that patch today
# [19:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3254e5b70c09 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 790123. Make sure to not lose a single trailing newline in stripTrailingWhitespace. r=mats
# [19:48] <sicking> mak: yay! Thanks!!
# [19:48] <mak> sicking: don't think so, I just have to run tests locally but should be fine
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# [20:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0fb1bb770b63 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 778489 - Keep title and favicon when entering reader mode (r=mfinkle)
# [20:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c11b2042ea31 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 788157 - Enable sharing while on Reader Mode (r=mfinkle)
# [20:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/110ae125057f - Lucas Rocha - Bug 778489 - Don't show progress when entering about:reader (r=mfinkle)
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# [20:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dfe4be63821b - Lucas Rocha - Bug 778489 - Fix misc aboutReader.css warnings (r=mfinkle)
# [20:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e35e2c4b0d2 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 778489 - Improve handling of error messages and progress in Reader (r=mfinkle)
# [20:02] <jprmc> ehsan: yup, saw
# [20:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff9853a03d8e - Lucas Rocha - Bug 778489 - Use ReaderModeUtils to create about:reader urls (r=mfinkle)
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# [20:03] <@ehsan> jprmc: cool. I also feel that you asked me one more question when I was in an interview which I saw pass by but it's no longer in my backscroll
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# [20:03] <jprmc> ehsan: i found the answer
# [20:04] <@ehsan> cool
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# [20:08] <@bz> erm
# [20:08] <@bz> wft?
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# [20:08] <@bz> my inbound pull is giving me:
# [20:08] <@bz> mozilla% make -C ../obj-firefox/browser/branding/nightly/ export
# [20:08] <@bz> cp: ../../../dist/branding/background.png and /Users/bzbarsky/mozilla/vanilla/mozilla/browser/branding/nightly/background.png are identical (not copied).
# [20:08] <@bz> make: *** [export] Error 1
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# [20:08] <@smaug> I got similar problem today
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# [20:08] <@bz> what gives?
# [20:08] <@smaug> I deleted <objdir>/dist and rebuild
# [20:08] <@bz> hrm
# [20:08] <@bz> did someone switch from symlink to cp?
# [20:09] <@bz> and not trigger a clobber?
# [20:09] <@smaug> dunno. didn't have time to investigate
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# [20:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de4ea396bce3 - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 790283 - add newline to the end of two files. r=ehsan.
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# [20:18] <Tos> hi ist it possible to develope on open suse because in the instruction arend the commands for therminal
# [20:19] <mbrubeck> Tos: Yes, developing on Suse should work.
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# [20:20] <Tos> mbrukbeck: and do you know the commands for terminal
# [20:21] <mbrubeck> Tos: Try this one: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Linux_Prerequisites#openSUSE.2FSUSE_Linux_Enterprise
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# [20:21] <mbrubeck> Then you should be able to start here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Firefox_build#Get_the_source
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# [20:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8cc774a223fd - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 789422 - Part 3: Update the unit tests to test for the new behavior; r=rstrong
# [20:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3dc4cd6b126 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 789422 - Part 2: Ensure that the update.status directory exists before attempting to write to it; r=rstrong
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# [20:39] <catlee> bbondy/ehsan: which suite are the update service/bg update tests in? and do they run on winxp?
# [20:40] <@ehsan> catlee: xpcshell, yes
# [20:41] <catlee> hm
# [20:41] <catlee> trying to debug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786869
# [20:41] <catlee> but it's in mochitests
# [20:41] <catlee> ERROR: Logon failure: unknown user name or bad password.
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# [20:44] <zzzzz> holy-crap, the mother of all merges
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# [20:44] <bhearsum> hm, i wonder if our schedulers are going to choke on that
# [20:45] <bhearsum> i have a vague memory of huge merges bogging them down
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# [20:46] <catlee> nah, we fixed that
# [20:46] <catlee> :)
# [20:46] <catlee> did I jinx it?
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# [20:47] <bhearsum> of course
# [20:47] <@ehsan> catlee: sorry, I don't have any idea
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# [20:48] <bhearsum> catlee: i wonder if that message is a red herring, and caused by windows+msys IO weirdness
# [20:48] <bhearsum> admittedly, i haven't looked at more than a glance
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# [20:49] <@smaug> (got a comment from my brother that sync is broken. don't know yet in which way)
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# [20:53] <zzzzz> while tbpl does not yet show build complete , someone on the MZ forums just grabbed the win32 hourly - reports all 'seems well '
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# [20:53] <zzzzz> ahh, that explains the delay - thanks
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# [20:54] <philor> and I'd certainly hope it's all well, since we've been building and testing it for ages
# [20:55] <KWierso|Home> and I'd hate to be the person that has to back out 1900+ changesets...
# [20:56] <philor> hg revert -r d042ad078f43, done
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# [20:58] <philor> hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/ionmonkey/ && hg bisect
# [20:58] <philor> now, the person who has to merge inbound, which has JS patches on it, and central, that person I feel sorry for
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# [21:00] <dholbert> philor, /me suggests dvander might be the right person to do that (and might want to do it soonish)
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# [21:01] <philor> he does indeed have experience with that special joy
# [21:02] <philor> and his experience with it is the reason I feel sorry for whoever does it
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# [21:04] <philor> bholley: you couldn't remove the NS_ERROR_FAILURE return while you were removing the IsClosedOrClosing assertion?
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# [21:04] <bholley> philor: um, why would I?
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# [21:05] <philor> bholley: so I wouldn't have to star 30 oranges a day from it, same reason everybody does things!
# [21:05] <bholley> philor: er, sorry, that came off snarkier than intended
# [21:05] <mbrubeck> Don't worry, you're not going to out-snark philor
# [21:05] <bholley> philor: but yeah, It's still a failure case
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# [21:06] <bholley> philor: if we're hitting it consistently we need some sort of other fix, either in the DOM or in browser code
# [21:06] <philor> alas, nobody has the slightest idea why they are ending up in it, so nobody is fixing it
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# [21:07] <bholley> bz: you there?
# [21:08] <zzzzz> BTW, been meaning to mention - Congrats to the team of folds that have made the 'hourly' truly' hourly again :)
# [21:08] <zzzzz> s/folds/folks
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# [21:09] <bhearsum> zzzzz: what do you mean?
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# [21:09] <bhearsum> the builds you see on TBPL aren't hourly, they're on-change
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# [21:10] <zzzzz> m-c win32 builds used to take roughly 2 hrs , now down to just over an hour
# [21:10] <@bz> bholley: yes, if it's quick
# [21:10] <bhearsum> ahhhh
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# [21:10] <bhearsum> thank coop and sid0 for that one
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# [21:10] <bholley> bz: I was just going to ask if event target references have to be the inner window, rather than the outer
# [21:11] <@bz> bholley: I'm not sure what you mean
# [21:11] <@bz> bholley: you mean event.target?
# [21:11] <bholley> bz: bug 784792
# [21:11] <bholley> bz: yes
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# [21:12] <@bz> smaug should know
# [21:12] <@bz> it needs to become the outer by the time JS sees it
# [21:12] <@bz> but during dispatch..
# [21:12] <@bz> I'm not sure
# [21:12] <@bz> but maybe
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# [21:12] <@bz> consider navigation during event dispatch....
# [21:12] <bholley> bz: it just seems weird that we can kill these windows and have references to them still hanging around
# [21:12] <@bz> bholley: yes. that's pretty weird.
# [21:12] <@bz> bholley: again, talk to smaug?
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# [21:13] <bholley> bz: ok, thanks
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# [21:13] <@smaug> bholley: eventtarget's have a method to get the target for chain and target for dom
# [21:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c05ef941ce03 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 777967 - Cache the computation of WebGLContext::ValidateBuffers for better performances. r=bjacob
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# [21:14] <shu> where do i find out information on talos?
# [21:15] <@smaug> bholley: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/events/nsIDOMEventTarget.idl?mark=188-202#188
# [21:15] <shu> i have no idea what "number of constructor" means and this graph doesn't tell me much either
# [21:15] <bholley> smaug: so the issue is that we've got event.target that refers to a window that gets navigated
# [21:15] <bholley> smaug: after navigation, we've called FreeInnerObjects on that inner window
# [21:15] <bholley> smaug: so when we do event.target, we throw when creating the wrapper
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# [21:15] <@smaug> right
# [21:15] <@smaug> well, JS could access only outer, right?
# [21:16] <@smaug> s/could/should/
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# [21:16] <bholley> smaug: well, I guess the issue is actually that the target is a _node_ in the dead document
# [21:16] <mbrubeck> shu: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos is a good place to start
# [21:16] <@smaug> bholley: well, too bad :)
# [21:16] <@smaug> I don't know what to do with that
# [21:16] <bholley> smaug: and trying to create an XPCWN for the node calls PreCreate all the way up the chain, and eventually tries to create an XPCWN for the window
# [21:17] <@smaug> doesn't sound event handling related problem
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# [21:17] <bholley> smaug: well, the problem is that we fire an event, and by the time the event is dispatched the target is dead
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# [21:18] <bholley> smaug: should we avoid delivering the event in that case?
# [21:18] <@smaug> target certainly isn't dead
# [21:18] <@smaug> if it is a node
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# [21:18] <@smaug> it is the js stuff which is dead
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# [21:19] <bholley> smaug: but target lives in a dead document
# [21:19] <bholley> smaug: one that we can't access from JS
# [21:19] <@smaug> document isn't dead either
# [21:19] <@smaug> it is the js which is dead
# [21:19] <bholley> smaug: I'm using "dead" loosely here
# [21:20] <shu> mbrubeck: i tried to read that -- but how do i go from a talos email that tells me "this test has a regression" to finding out what that test actually does?
# [21:20] <@smaug> bholley: so, I don't know what could be done here, except postponing window deletion
# [21:20] <jmaher> shu: I can help you
# [21:20] <bholley> smaug: could we skip delivering the event?
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# [21:21] <jmaher> shu: this wiki is sort of lengthy, but has links to the tests themselves: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos
# [21:21] <@smaug> bholley: well, I assume the window is deleted while dispatching the event
# [21:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/034e75e31d2e - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 787543. Put all the typedeffy bits back in WebGLRenderingContext now that we can. r=peterv
# [21:21] <@smaug> bholley: hmm, where is the event listener?
# [21:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/443937d07b13 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 787554. Don't prefix WebIDL getters names with a Get if they look like simple member access on the C++ side. r=peterv
# [21:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/79a573c42da8 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 789636. Make getInterface on XHR and QueryInterface on all WebIDL objects be [ChromeOnly]. r=peterv
# [21:21] <@smaug> bholley: we don't call event listeners which are on "dead documents"
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# [21:22] <bholley> smaug: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/7585c9b91877/browser/base/content/browser.js#l223
# [21:22] <@bz> And now we can really have nice APIs.
# [21:22] <@bz> and eat them too.
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# [21:22] <mbrubeck> shu: The descriptions under https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos#Talos_Tests are unfortunately the best documentation we have; if that doesn't answer your questions about the test then I'd try reading the source code or asking someone who already knows it.
# [21:22] <@smaug> bholley: ahaa, chrome
# [21:22] <mbrubeck> shu: Which test?
# [21:22] <shu> jmaher, mbrubeck: all i see on this perf-o-matic graph page is 'Number of Constructor'
# [21:22] <shu> jmaher, mbrubeck: doesn't list which suite it belongs to or anything...
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# [21:23] <mbrubeck> shu: Okay, that measures the number of static initializers...
# [21:23] <jmaher> shu: I think that is from the build job, not talos
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# [21:23] <mbrubeck> I thought I added docs about that to the wiki...
# [21:23] <@smaug> bholley: we could add a check if the target is in a dead document
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# [21:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eba1d55e5c0c - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 787410 Part 2 - Actually change the submission server for hang reports to the temporary server
# [21:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/17ed230e886a - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 787410 - Allow overriding the plugin hang report submission URL via prefs (also allow overriding in general using MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_URL like the standalone
# [21:23] <bholley> smaug: that would fix the problems here, I think, and make philor very happy
# [21:23] <firebot> client does), r?ted
# [21:23] <@smaug> bholley: but we'd need to check also originalTarget and relatedTarget
# [21:23] <bholley> smaug: would that be slow?
# [21:23] <@smaug> bholley: it would affect performance quite badly
# [21:23] <shu> jmaher: then why is talos emailing me about it? :)
# [21:24] <shu> mbrubeck: what, c++ static initializers?
# [21:24] <jmaher> shu: because that build time test reports to the graph server
# [21:24] <@smaug> bholley: hmm, or maybe it wouldn't be so bad
# [21:24] <mbrubeck> shu: Yeah: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.platform/q_YK1f0Dpwg/DisoSQmITFsJ
# [21:24] <@smaug> we could stop propagation when we detect problems
# [21:25] <@smaug> default handlers should be still called
# [21:25] * @smaug thinks
# [21:25] <@smaug> bholley: do you have a testcase?
# [21:25] <@smaug> I'd need to profile
# [21:25] <@smaug> or someone
# [21:25] <bholley> smaug: bug 784792
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# [21:25] <jhammel|lunch> yes, it is technically graphserver that is doing the mailing
# [21:25] <jhammel|lunch> with the misleading heading "talos regression"
# [21:25] <@bz> smaug: this is an event handler that holds on to an event object
# [21:25] <@bz> smaug: and sets a timeout
# [21:26] <@bz> smaug: and in the callback examines event.target
# [21:26] <@bz> smaug: at which point the link has been cut
# [21:26] <@smaug> oh
# [21:26] <@bz> bholley: how is this any different from any other instance of the hueyfix, bytw?
# [21:26] <@smaug> right
# [21:26] <@smaug> nothing to do with event handling then
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# [21:26] <@bz> bholley: seems to me like for chrome-to-content refs like that we DEFINITELY want them to be able to go dead
# [21:26] <@smaug> chrome just keeping ref to some content object too long
# [21:26] <@bz> bholley: per hueyfix
# [21:26] <mbrubeck> shu: Also, the regression finder basically always blames the wrong changeset for Number of Constructors regressions, because of bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721387
# [21:27] <mbrubeck> which you should be able to verify by looking at the graph and seeing where the regression actually happened.
# [21:27] <bholley> bz: oh, I didn't realize that chrome was explicitly holding onto it
# [21:27] <jmaher> shu: if you look in a build log from tbpl (full log), search for num_ctors and that might help you figure out how it is generated
# [21:27] <bholley> bz: so the target isn't dead at the time of delivery?
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# [21:27] <shu> jmaher, mbrubeck: thanks!
# [21:27] <bholley> bz, smaug: philor says he gets 30 oranges / day for this sort of thing. Not sure if it's all related to that chrome code or if we hit the failure in other ways
# [21:28] <@bz> bholley: yes
# [21:28] <@bz> bholley: see gavin's comments in the bug
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# [21:28] <@bz> bholley: now I think we could hit that with non-chrome stuff too
# [21:28] <@bz> bholley: worth testing
# [21:28] <jmaher> shu: here is the tool that counts the ctors: https://hg.mozilla.org/build/tools/file/348853aee492/buildfarm/utils/count_ctors.py
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# [21:28] <@bz> bholley: again, by holding the event across the navigation
# [21:28] <shu> jmaher: cool, thanks
# [21:29] <@smaug> yeah
# [21:29] <@smaug> event or something else
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# [21:29] <@smaug> hold XHR, navigate and access XHR.upload
# [21:30] <bholley> hm, and we currently just call FreeInnerObjects on navigation even if there are still refs to the window, right?
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# [21:30] <@smaug> FreeInnterObjects has nothing to do with cycle collection or refcounting
# [21:31] <@smaug> so yes
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# [21:31] <@smaug> Inner
# [21:32] <@smaug> tn: ping
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# [21:39] <TheOne> the recent Aurora Mac builds are very unstable
# [21:39] <TheOne> I have to kill the firefox process everytime after I normally quit Aurora
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# [22:13] <gregglind> can one get newlines in locale string bundles?
# [22:13] <gregglind> in properties files.
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# [22:18] <mfinkle> gregglind, use \n
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# [22:23] <espindola> anyone has xcode 4.0 handy?
# [22:24] <@dolske> espindola: sure, if it's quick!
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# [22:25] <espindola> dolske, it is
# [22:25] <espindola> can you get test.c and test2.c from http://people.mozilla.org/~respindola/
# [22:25] <espindola> and run
# [22:25] <gregglind> mfinkle, deeper question perhaps: does xul 'description' eat newlines?
# [22:26] <espindola> clang test.c test2.c -O3 -o t; ./t; echo $?
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# [22:26] <espindola> (and the same without the -O3)?
# [22:26] <mfinkle> gregglind, yes, unless you use the right style
# [22:26] <jlebar> Brief bikeshed invitation: Where should I put a nsIGzipWriter class? (This is slightly different from what we already have in necko, as it writes .gz files, not gzip streams.) I'd put it in modules/zlib/moz_extensions, except modules/zlib is part of tier_base, which is bad news.
# [22:26] <@dolske> oh, wait, doh. I'm on Xcode 4.4
# [22:26] <espindola> also, clang --version :-)
# [22:26] * @dolske guesses 4.4 is not what you want
# [22:26] <espindola> correct
# [22:26] <espindola> I think firefox doesn't build correctly with 4.0
# [22:27] <mfinkle> gregglind, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Code_snippets/Label_and_description
# [22:27] <espindola> and want to put a check on configure
# [22:27] <mfinkle> might be slightly out of date
# [22:27] <espindola> but testing features is better than version strings...
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# [22:28] <@dolske> wouldn't hurt, in general, to have something that checks for a minimim-supported xcode
# [22:28] <@dolske> (maybe we already do?)
# [22:28] <espindola> I don't think we do, I am adding checks for minimum supported versions of clang and gcc
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# [22:29] <@dolske> we probably should, if only for the helpful error message: "Hey, you have XCode $X, you need to go install $Y or newer"
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# [22:30] <@ehsan> akeybl: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787743#c71
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# [22:33] <dvander> philor|away, dholbert - yeah, i can do the m-c -> m-i merge. just let me know when.
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# [22:48] <Callek> philor|away, edmorley: ping
# [22:49] <akeybl> ehsan: I don't feel too strongly about flushing the cache on behalf of a user, but I'd be OK with taking a cache version bump of some sort if low risk
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# [22:49] <Callek> edmorley, philor|away: any objection (if our buildduty person agrees) to me turning on ArmV6 reftestests today/tonight... we'll need to hide armv6 r2/r3 if I do, I'm currently planning to turn on, on all m-c based branches, try, m-i, m-c, project-branches.
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# [22:51] <@bsmedberg> If I'm setting up a new mac which will be doing some builds
# [22:51] <@bsmedberg> and I want full-disk encryption for general security
# [22:52] <@bsmedberg> should I put my build directories on a separate disk which isn't using filevault?
# [22:53] <dougt> yes.
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# [22:53] <dougt> bsmedberg: but that is going to be slow.
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# [22:53] <dougt> what I did... was just encrypted my home directory.
# [22:53] <KWierso|Home> did tbpl just fall over?
# [22:53] <@bsmedberg> dougt: the separate disk will be slow?
# [22:53] <dougt> and have a directory at /builds/
# [22:53] <dougt> bsmedberg: oh, are you on a mbp?
# [22:54] <@bsmedberg> yeah
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# [22:54] <@bsmedberg> I guess I mean a separate partition
# [22:54] <dougt> bsmedberg: yeah, even usb3 tends to be slow
# [22:54] <@bsmedberg> I'm assuming you can choose filevault per-partition, right?
# [22:54] <dougt> akeybl: ^
# [22:54] <dougt> i think akeybl knows more about this than anyone at mozilla. :)
# [22:55] <dougt> what I did, was to encrypt only my home directory
# [22:55] <dougt> then I created a directory at /builds/ which I put stuff in.
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# [22:56] <dougt> i have tried putting my builds on hd connected w/ fw and that was dog slow.
# [22:56] <akeybl> bsmedberg: FileVault in Lion/ML is partition-specific, make sure to partition beforehand though
# [22:57] <edmorley> Callek: no objection, we can just hide
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# [22:57] <edmorley|away> Callek: :-)
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# [23:04] <sicking> myk: hmm. that still seems to have the bug Fabrice pointed out, no?
# [23:04] <fabrice> sicking: no, I was wrong
# [23:05] <sicking> fabrice: ah :)
# [23:05] <fabrice> these nested #ifdefs confused me
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# [23:10] <@ehsan> akeybl: can you please comment on the bug?
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# [23:11] <mjrosenb> hey all, a) is there some feature that makes a cool-off period between scrolling and control-scroll to zoom in/out, and b) if it doesn't exist, does anyone else think it would be a good idea?
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# [23:13] <akeybl> ehsan: done
# [23:13] <@ehsan> ty
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# [23:13] <mbrubeck> mjrosenb: To prevent accidental zooming from hitting control before the scroll wheel stops?
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# [23:14] <mjrosenb> mbrubeck: yes
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# [23:14] <mjrosenb> mbrubeck: on my thinkpad in linux, the driver implements kinetic scrolling by repeatedly sending "scroll-up" even after my finger is no longer on the pad
# [23:14] <mjrosenb> so frequently, I'll scroll to the top of the page, depress control to switch tabs
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# [23:15] <mjrosenb> and notice my text getting larger as the tabs change
# [23:15] <mjrosenb> and occasionally, the text will continue to change on the next tab i'm on
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# [23:17] <myk> sicking, fabrice: one thought i just had; if you twiddle a XPIDL, is that a binary interface change?
# [23:17] <sicking> myk: oh, yes, did you change the iids for the old interface?
# [23:17] <sicking> the iid rather
# [23:17] <myk> sicking: i did
# [23:18] <sicking> myk: cool
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# [23:18] <myk> sicking: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f1902725c78a#l4.12
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# [23:18] <myk> sicking: however, tree rules <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules#mozilla-beta> says not to make such changes on beta
# [23:18] <sicking> myk: good good, i think it's in the clear then
# [23:19] <sicking> myk: oh
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# [23:20] <sicking> myk: normally you could keep the function there (and the old iid), and add a [noscript] flag on installPackage
# [23:20] <sicking> myk: but that won't work since the function is implemented in script
# [23:20] <Standard8> iirc backouts of idl changes (i.e. revert to a previous version) are generally accepted
# [23:20] <sicking> myk: hmm.. i guess that could work actually. I might just throw
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# [23:21] <sicking> myk: i wouldn't worry about it though. It seems unlikely that someone will be using this interface in a binary addon
# [23:21] <myk> sicking: ok
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# [23:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b4dd8cdec0ad - Nick Thomas - Bug 770996, force firefox binary on Mac so that partner builds can use partials, r=catlee a=akeybl DONTBUILD
# [23:24] <mjrosenb> mbrubeck: thoughts?
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# [23:26] <mbrubeck> mjrosenb: It seems like a reasonable request, though I'd basically consider a workaround for a broken-ish driver. I don't see any existing Firefox code or addons that do it.
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# [23:26] <mbrubeck> As a victim of accidental-wheel-zoom myself (but not for the same reason), I'm tempted to just disable ctrl+wheel zooming in about:config
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# [23:26] <mjrosenb> yeah, I do that every once in a while
# [23:26] <mjrosenb> but it seems to keep getting unset
# [23:27] <mjrosenb> presumably i randoml make new profiles and forget about it
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# [23:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2bbc276ffd2a - Matt Woodrow - Bug 787300 - Fix various bugs with refresh-driver-painting.enabled=false. r=roc
# [23:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/96b753ef66df - Matt Woodrow - Bug 787148 - Force synchronous repainting when the document state changes. r=roc
# [23:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d37431b49e9 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 789396 - Don't overwrite the existing mContainerLayerGeneration value on ThebesLayerItemsEntrys. r=roc
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# [23:36] <MattN> jorendorff, gavin: my understanding is that we want to wait to land Australis work until the majority is ready (rather than incrementally). Since there is a lot of work to do on the Panel Menu, it's unlikely that will be done for 18. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Desktop/Panel_Menu
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# [23:43] <jorendorff> MattN: Thanks.
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# [23:43] <jorendorff> I've been waiting forever for Firefox not to be the ugliest browser on Mac. I can wait six more weeks.
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# [23:47] * @smaug thought Chrome is the ugliest browser everywhere
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# [23:57] <@bz> anyone know whom I should poke about the "Too many connections from your IP" thing?
# [23:57] <bhearsum> bz: #it
# [23:57] <bhearsum> look for the oncall in /topic
# [23:58] <bhearsum> alternatively, file a blocker bug in Server Ops
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# [23:59] <@dolske> "OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/folders/Hs/HsDn6a9SG8idoIya6p9mtE+++TI/-Tmp-/tmpaziFsS/Cache/4'"
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