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# [00:00] <@smaug> WG9s: thanks for star'ing
# [00:00] <WG9s> smaug: no problem
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# [00:01] <gcp> what's c;r mean?
# [00:02] <gcp> "crap, restarted?"
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# [00:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ab3709368125 - Wes Johnston - Bug 793162 - Use default Fennec theme for Webapps. r=mfinkle
# [00:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/780a4b8551e6 - Chris Jones - Bug 792663: Don't SyncFrontBufferToBackBuffer() while a buffer tracker isn't around to revoke our buffer provider. r=nrc
# [00:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/beed670216f6 - Chris Jones - Bug 784244: We really, seriously, can only let the BufferTracker take care of our required AutoOpenSurfaces. r=roc
# [00:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf7824a17b2b - Chris Jones - Bug 792663: Temporarily require opting in to allocating cross-process xlib surfaces. r=karl
# [00:05] <jhford> is the context menu moving down and right on my firefox nightly a known issue?
# [00:05] <jhford> i right click, then the menu that shows up decides to move itself
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# [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8bd13443d0bc - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 579517 follow-up: Remove NSPR types that crept in
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# [00:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32d1752fb7ba - Jared Wein - Bug 786095 - Initially disable Social API when in safe mode. r=felipe
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# [00:11] <jhammel> is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=15490347&tree=Try&full=1 known?
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# [00:14] <philor> gcp: clobbered; retriggered - I think Bas needed a clobber, and that win64 PGO miles down below was the only depend build we've gotten since
# [00:15] <philor> or maybe he's busted once he's clobbered
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# [00:15] <Bas> philor: Hrm, who knows. Seems unlikely.
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# [00:16] <sicking> fabrice: ping
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# [00:16] <fabrice> sicking: pong
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# [00:17] <Bas> philor: Where do I find the -actual- error in that log? :)
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# [00:18] <sicking> fabrice: How does SystemMessenger.broadcastMessage work? Does it send the message to *all* apps?
# [00:18] <sicking> fabrice: or only once which have registered for the message in the manifest?
# [00:18] <philor> Bas: don't look at me, I don't know nothin' bout no builds, I assumed "unresolved external symbol "public: static void __cdecl mozilla::gfx::Factory::SetGlobalEventRecorder(class mozilla::gfx::DrawEventRecorder *)" (?SetGlobalEventRecorder@Factory@gfx@mozilla@@SAXPEAVDrawEventRecorder@23@@Z)" was the error
# [00:18] <sicking> fabrice: i.e. if an app calls setMessageHandler, but hasn't registered in the manifest, does that app get the message?
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# [00:19] <fabrice> sicking: only to those that have register to receive this message type
# [00:19] <sicking> fabrice: cool, thanks
# [00:22] <Bas> philor: Sounds like a clobber problem I suppose :S
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# [00:47] <myk> lsblakk: i just responded to your comment in bug 791943, but i see that you weren't sent bugmail about it
# [00:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4cf7fbb68148 - Chris Jones - Bug 791404: Sample at 10ms on gonk for more realistic results. r=BenWa
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# [00:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/74408f5b036a - Chris Jones - Bug 791398: Lower the default sample size to prevent OOMs. r=BenWa
# [00:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/072674dbb5c7 - Chris Jones - Bug 791399: Use the OS tmp dir for saving files on b2g, because content processes can't write elsewhere. r=BenWa
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# [01:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c085464581b6 - Chris Peterson - Bug 792702 - Post FilePicker dialog to UI thread, not GeckoBackgroundThread. r=kats a=lsblakk
# [01:02] <jhammel> so ABICT https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=97a8a925b721 will keep chugging on rpr forever
# [01:02] <jhammel> however, i am still waiting for Linux64 results so I don't want to cancel the whole thing
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# [01:03] <jhammel> though i also don't really want to spin android rpr tests until I get my tests
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# [01:04] <philor> just have to kill it before it can get to the point of having decided to retry
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# [01:05] <philor> jaws: sad news, null != null
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# [01:06] <jaws> philor: ?
# [01:06] <jaws> philor: oh, i see now
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# [01:13] <jaws> philor: i'm backing out now
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# [01:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d12c34bb82fa - Jared Wein - Backed out changeset 32d1752fb7ba (bug 786095)
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# [01:17] <philor> khuey|away: I've been leaving those juicy assertions on inbound for you, don't you *want* them?
# [01:17] <philor> hmm
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# [01:18] <KWierso|Home> not it
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# [01:24] <@smaug> fun, esr doesn't like me. ipc/chromium/src/base/file_util.cc:228:35: error: ‘ftruncate’ was not declared in this scope
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# [01:27] <@smaug> looks like Bug 725655
# [01:27] <@smaug> which never landed to esr :/
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# [01:31] <@smaug> akeybl: ping
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# [01:41] <akeybl> hey smaug
# [01:41] <@smaug> akeybl: any chance you might be looking at tbpl for some time
# [01:42] <@smaug> I could land a patch to beta and esr
# [01:42] <@smaug> "no later than tomorrow morning PT" is a bit hard for me, since I have (non-work-related) meeting tomorrow
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# [01:43] <@smaug> so I could land the patch, but can't watch the tree
# [01:43] <@khuey> are they finally kicking you out of the university?
# [01:43] <akeybl> sure I can watch it and backout or try to find somebody to help if things burn
# [01:43] <akeybl> does Bug 725655 need to land on ESR?
# [01:43] <akeybl> I can a+
# [01:43] <@smaug> khuey: no. that is not possible :)
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# [01:44] <@smaug> akeybl: might be good
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# [01:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e97453246c7d - Mats Palmgren - Bug 765621 - Drain the parent frame's overflow list before attempting to insert/append new child frames. r=bz a=akeybl
# [01:46] <akeybl> smaug: does it break try builds and not esr10 branch builds?
# [01:47] <@smaug> akeybl: I can't build esr10 on this machine
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# [01:47] <@smaug> with gcc version 4.7.0
# [01:48] <philor> nobody can build any part of esr10 on try
# [01:49] <akeybl> ok
# [01:49] <philor> surprisingly, we've managed to survive that without many backouts
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# [01:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/94f34cf9dac0 - Olli Pettay - bug 787704, better to remember addref/release sContent in IMEStateManager, r=masayuki a=akeybl
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# [01:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ee445d27224 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 793136: Crash on content type being null. [r=mfinkle]
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# [01:56] <firebot> Check-in:
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# [01:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1f87f13f8da4 - Chris Pearce - Bug 782729 - Make Windows nsWindow::SynthesizeNativeMouseEvent accept coords in screen coords, not widget coords, to match other widget implementations. r=smaug,jimm
# [01:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a88b3cd6f28d - Chris Pearce - Bug 782729 - Clarify pointer lock pointer-centering logic, and cancel centering mouse moves. r=smaug
# [01:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/74a9ba7336cf - Chris Pearce - Bug 782729 - Ensure pointer lock code always passes screen coords to SynthesizeNativeMouseMove. r=smaug
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# [02:01] <gkw> RoboHornet, new browser benchmark by Google and Github - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/robohornet-web-browser-performance,3303.html
# [02:01] <gkw> "In a surprise upset, Firefox falls flat on its face on every platform except OS X, where it manages to place ahead of Opera"
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# [02:02] <gkw> ( yes another benchmark :-/ ) https://github.com/robohornet/robohornet
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# [02:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cbd181aafd5f - Gary Kwong - Bug 793584 - Rename 32-bit Linux Valgrind suppressions file from i686-redhat-linux-gnu.sup to i386-redhat-linux-gnu.sup since this changed after the move to AWS, r=nthomas
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# [02:12] <njn> gkw: ugh, what a shitty looking collection of microbenchmarks
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# [02:13] <njn> gkw: and Tom's gets zero points for just presenting a single result from the test without any analysis/discussion of what it's actually measuring
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# [02:14] <jesup|laptop> njn: lots of people believe they know how to measure memory use... few actually do (in modern complex apps with GC, etc)
# [02:15] <njn> jesup|laptop: this is straight perf, not related to memory consumption
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# [02:16] <jesup|laptop> njn: it's almost as bad for straight perf. :-/
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# [02:16] <jesup|laptop> link?
# [02:17] <njn> jesup|laptop: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/robohornet-web-browser-performance,3303.html
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# [02:18] <gkw> njn: i guess devs have to dive in to https://github.com/robohornet/robohornet
# [02:18] <froydnj> njn: bad benchmarks driving you to drink in the morning? :)
# [02:18] <@khuey> if you drink to shitty benchmarks you'll be dead pretty quickly
# [02:18] <padenot> b 57
# [02:18] <froydnj> save the mozilla developers, down with shitty benchmarks
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# [02:37] <philor> nice, now that I jinxed esr10, none of the people hypothetically watching it are actually around
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# [02:41] <catlee-away> Schrödinger's branch?
# [02:42] <njn> gkw: great stuff with the valgrind TBPL work
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# [02:42] <gkw> njn: thanks!
# [02:42] <gkw> njn: my next aim: get on the friends of the tree once we have a green valgrind tree
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# [02:43] <gkw> after years of burning, valgrind needs its own greenery
# [02:43] <njn> gkw: I'll happily nominate you
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# [02:43] <gkw> njn: not too fast, the work isn't done yet. ;-)
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# [02:43] <catlee-away> gkw: how long do they take to run? if we have it green and fast, we could do it per-push
# [02:43] <njn> gkw: I *will* happily nominate you :)
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# [02:44] <gkw> catlee-away: not sure yet. we're still some ways away from being "green" much less fast
# [02:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/13ae166abd45 - Jesse Ruderman - Bug 696298 - Add a cross-architecture Valgrind suppressions file. DONTBUILD
# [02:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/29f6b5bfb0b4 - Jesse Ruderman - Improve Valgrind suppressions for bug 793534 and bug 793549. DONTBUILD
# [02:44] <gkw> catlee-away: that's a good idea nonetheless
# [02:44] <@ted> philor: heh, did you retrigger those jobs on my try push?
# [02:45] <njn> gkw: what tests actually run under Valgrind?
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# [02:45] <@ted> njn: pretty sure we just run leaktest.py
# [02:45] <gkw> njn: catlee-away mentioned only PGO tests?
# [02:45] <@ted> or something
# [02:45] <njn> what's in that?
# [02:45] <@ted> oh
# [02:45] <@ted> that
# [02:45] <gkw> which means sunspider
# [02:45] <@ted> profileserver.py
# [02:45] <@ted> sunspider + some css layout stuff
# [02:45] <@ted> (and browser startup/shutdown obviously)
# [02:45] <mccr8> hmm. apparently ESR10 doesn't have all the test infrastructure of later versions...
# [02:45] <gkw> which means i'm not sure, it's this line: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/tools/file/default/scripts/valgrind/valgrind.sh#l82
# [02:45] <njn> better than nothing, but given a choice, I'd suggest testing more code less frequently
# [02:45] <philor> ted: I like my proof positive
# [02:46] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/pgo/index.html?force=1#117
# [02:46] <@ted> philor: nothing wrong with that, it's looking remarkably green
# [02:46] <philor> mccr8: the 10 stands for foreverago
# [02:46] <Jesse_> yeah, i'd like all our test suites to get run under valgrind, perhaps once a day
# [02:46] <Jesse_> but let's get the PGO mini-test-suite green first :)
# [02:46] <mccr8> I'll back out while I figure what is going on...
# [02:46] <njn> Jesse_: sewardj runs the full mochitest occasionally, takes 8 hours or something
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# [02:47] <@ted> of course we need to run it on mobile devices too
# [02:47] <@ted> that should only take a year or so per run
# [02:47] <zzzzz_> lol
# [02:47] <gkw> njn: where "occasionally" = ?
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# [02:48] <philor> cjones: I'm not going to be able to pin those Mac assertions in image tests on you, am I?
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# [02:50] <cjones> philor, none of those three patches touch code that's built for mac
# [02:50] <cjones> the C++ compiler is literally seeing the same bytes before and after
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# [02:51] <philor> not that *I've* ever done that, it just seems like something that might happen, maybe
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# [02:51] <njn> anyone know if Daniel Buchner is on IRC? Apparently he's Mozilla's representative on the Robohornet committee
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# [04:02] <philor> I'm tired of arguing in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791385 so if you don't want it to be a total pain in the ass to push another different patch to try before your previous push to try has completely finished (you know, in 24-36 hours), take over the arguing
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# [04:03] <philor> and if you do, you might want to mention that all the bad people that we're trying to stop have never ever been told how to retrigger jobs, or cancel jobs, and in some cases don't know their LDAP password or even that they have one
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# [04:33] <gkw> would someone be able to do another m-i to m-c landing tonight for https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=cbd181aafd5f and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=13ae166abd45 to make tomorrow's Valgrind nightly?
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# [04:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a8489b92ad02 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 691580 - enable events/test_focus_contextmenu.html tests and logging
# [04:42] <markh> almost all try pushes I see have a bug number in them - I wonder if the hook could leverage that to try and detect "duplicate" pushes?
# [04:43] <Jesse> markh: "duplicate" in what way?
# [04:43] <Jesse> bugs often have multiple patches, or multi-part patches
# [04:43] <markh> Jesse: I was referring to philor's mention of bug 791385, which is attempting to restrict try pushed in some cases
# [04:44] <markh> it seems at the moment, a "duplicate" push is based purely on username and he mentions in the bug that it would prevent ppl pushing multiple times for different bugs
# [04:45] <markh> well - if the same bug number in any checkin already existed, you could get the "hey - I'm going to make this hard for you - here is a token" behaviour
# [04:45] <markh> any checkin by you
# [04:45] <philor> some people, when faced with a bad technological solution to a social problem, think "I'll add more technological solutions to this social problem" :D
# [04:45] <markh> now they have 2 ... problems :)
# [04:46] <markh> eg, "find the set of all bug numbers in existing pushes from the user, plus the set of bug numbers in this new push attempt, and is the union is not empty, do the PITA thing
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# [04:46] <ewong> or just don't do the try..
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# [04:48] <philor> gavin: want to have an opinion about the permaorange on beta?
# [04:48] <markh> yeah - avoid the entire token thing completely...
# [04:50] <Jesse> i don't think Try should automatically kill old jobs that "look like duplicates"
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# [04:50] <markh> agreed - but it could make it hard/prevent new pushed that look like dupes, and give you the URL where you can kill the old one
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# [04:50] <Jesse> just have the hook output some text like "If you no longer need your previous push, go to http://tbpl.mozilla.org/... and click the 'nuke' button"
# [04:51] <markh> this is all assuming such a change would have a noticeable impact on wait times, of course...
# [04:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/59877fe3f1e2 - Myk Melez - Bug 791943. r=fabrice
# [04:52] <rstrong> philor: tempted to just the patch. what is the rule on test fixes like that on beta nowadays?
# [04:53] <philor> rstrong: do it, there are no rules other than the ones we want
# [04:54] <rstrong> philor: done
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# [04:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/36dc6a850935 - Robert Strong - Don't run associated test for code removed in Bug 792181. r=me a=test
# [04:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec8e231a4374 - Eric Chou - Bug 793609 - [b2g-bluetooth] Wrong value passed into KeepDBusPairingMessage(), r=qdot
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# [04:56] <@ehsan> bz: you around?
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# [04:59] <@ehsan> khuey: ping
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# [05:01] <@bz> ehsan: hey
# [05:01] <@bz> ehsan: what's up?
# [05:01] <@ehsan> bz: so I have this method in my web idl:
# [05:02] <@ehsan> bz: [Throws] void disconnect(optional unsigned long output = 0);
# [05:02] <@ehsan> bz: I would have expected this C++ signature to be called:
# [05:02] <@ehsan> void Disconnect(uint32_t, ErrorResult&)
# [05:02] <@ehsan> but the generated binding doesn't try to pass ErrorResult& at all
# [05:02] <@ehsan> bz: any idea what's going on?
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# [05:03] <@bz> odd
# [05:04] <@bz> can you toss me a diff?
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# [05:04] <@ehsan> sure
# [05:04] <@bz> because your C++ signature sure looks right to me
# [05:04] <@ehsan> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1841016
# [05:04] <@ehsan> (see AudioNode)
# [05:04] <doublec> where can I find information on the syntax of jar.mn files?
# [05:05] <Unfocused> doublec: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JAR_Manifests
# [05:05] <@bz> hmm
# [05:05] <@bz> does this depend on other patches?
# [05:05] <doublec> Unfocused: thanks!
# [05:06] <@bz> seems to depend on something that introduces AudioBuffer in webidl
# [05:06] <@ehsan> bz: yeah on my AudioBuffer patch
# [05:06] * @bz pulls that in
# [05:06] <@ehsan> hold on a sec
# [05:06] <@ehsan> oh ok :)
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# [05:07] <@bz> ErrorResult rv;
# [05:07] <@bz> self->Disconnect(arg0, rv);
# [05:07] <@bz> Is the generated code I see
# [05:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b18209831dc5 - Ekanan Ketunuti - Bug 769101 - App Tabs should be renamed to avoid confusion. r=jaws, ui-r=fryn
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# [05:08] * @bz wonders whether ehsan is hitting some incremental build problem or something...
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# [05:08] <@ehsan> bz: really?
# [05:09] <@ehsan> hrm
# [05:09] <@ehsan> I tried deleting the binding file and rebuilding too...
# [05:09] * @ehsan curses our build system
# [05:09] <@bz> what happens when you run "make -C $obddir/dom/bindings" ?
# [05:09] <@bz> er, $objdir
# [05:09] <@ehsan> bz: that is what I'm doing
# [05:09] <@ehsan> oh
# [05:09] <@bz> ok
# [05:09] <@bz> wrong objdir?
# [05:09] <@ehsan> well, 20 minutes passes!
# [05:09] <@bz> hmm?
# [05:09] <@ehsan> no, just got this single one
# [05:10] <@ehsan> make -C $objdir is not the fastest thing...
# [05:10] <@bz> ah
# [05:10] <@ehsan> but I'll try it
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# [05:10] <@bz> well, /dom/bindings
# [05:10] <@bz> so just build in the bindings dir
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# [05:10] <@bz> ok, so hold on
# [05:10] <@bz> what are the timestamps on your AudioNodeBinding.h,cpp,webidl ?
# [05:11] <@ehsan> bz: this is my build cmd: make -j8 -s -C obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/ && make -j8 -s -C obj-ff-dbg/content/media/webaudio/ && make -s -C obj-ff-dbg/toolkit/library/
# [05:11] <@ehsan> let me check that
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# [05:11] <@ehsan> $ ls -lh obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.* dom/webidl/AudioNode.webidl
# [05:11] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 1.0K 24 Sep 22:45 dom/webidl/AudioNode.webidl
# [05:11] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 10K 24 Sep 22:45 obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.cpp
# [05:11] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 2.4K 24 Sep 17:03 obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.h
# [05:11] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 260K 24 Sep 22:45 obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.o
# [05:11] <@ehsan> bz: ^
# [05:12] <@ehsan> the .h file doesn't look normal
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# [05:12] <@ehsan> but I guess that doesn't matter in this case
# [05:12] <@bz> ok
# [05:12] <@bz> so I have to ask
# [05:13] <@bz> if you rm obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.cpp
# [05:13] <@bz> and then do that again
# [05:13] <@ehsan> ok
# [05:13] <@bz> "that" == "make in dom/bindings"
# [05:13] <@bz> what happens?
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# [05:14] <@ehsan> bz: same failure, and:
# [05:14] <@ehsan> $ ls -lh obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.* dom/webidl/AudioNode.webidl -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 1.0K 24 Sep 22:45 dom/webidl/AudioNode.webidl
# [05:14] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 10K 24 Sep 23:03 obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.cpp
# [05:14] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 2.4K 24 Sep 17:03 obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.h
# [05:14] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 260K 24 Sep 23:03 obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/AudioNodeBinding.o
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# [05:14] <@ehsan> bz: nm, I'll just clobber :(
# [05:14] <@ehsan> bz: and will grab a snack in the mean time
# [05:15] <@ehsan> so that it's not total fail
# [05:15] <@bz> no, wait
# [05:15] <@bz> this is quote odd
# [05:15] <@ehsan> ok!
# [05:15] <@bz> er, quite odd
# [05:15] <@bz> one sec
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# [05:15] <@bz> Can you nuke $objdir/dom/bindings/ParserResults.pkl ?
# [05:15] <@bz> and then try again?
# [05:15] <@ehsan> bz: sure
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# [05:16] <@bz> also, just double-check that the webidl file in the objdir has the [Throws] ?
# [05:16] <@ehsan> bz: same result, but this time the cpp file was not regenerated
# [05:16] <@ehsan> yep, it does
# [05:16] <@bz> ok
# [05:16] <@ehsan> oh
# [05:16] <@ehsan> in the objdir!
# [05:16] <@ehsan> wait
# [05:16] <@bz> In the objdir
# [05:16] <@ehsan> bz: where can I find it?
# [05:16] <@bz> $objdir/dom/bindings
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# [05:17] <@ehsan> bz: yep, it does
# [05:17] <@bz> That's really really weird
# [05:17] <@ehsan> bz: do you want to nuke both the cpp and the pickle file?
# [05:17] <@bz> yes
# [05:17] <@bz> and the webidl file in the objdir
# [05:17] <@bz> as long as you're there
# [05:17] <@ehsan> bz: so one question before I do that
# [05:17] * @bz listens
# [05:17] <@ehsan> bz: is the cpp file supposed to be regenerated when the pickle changes?
# [05:18] <@bz> mmm
# [05:18] <@bz> right now, not always
# [05:18] <@bz> there's some hackery where we generate the new cpp file
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# [05:18] <@ehsan> bz: so, for me, it seems to never be the case!
# [05:18] <@bz> and compare the resulting text to the existing one
# [05:18] <@ehsan> so that's our first bug here
# [05:18] <@bz> and if it's the same, keep things as-is
# [05:18] <@ehsan> oh
# [05:18] <@ehsan> wow
# [05:18] <@bz> there's an existing bug on nuking that mess
# [05:18] <@ehsan> I mean, WOW!
# [05:18] <@ehsan> ;)
# [05:18] <@ehsan> ok
# [05:18] * @bz is not sure why it was done that way, and neither are the people who did it.... ;)
# [05:19] <@ehsan> lol
# [05:19] <@ehsan> fair enough
# [05:19] <@ehsan> ok let me nuke out those files
# [05:20] <@ehsan> bz: ok so I nuked the pkl, webidl, .h/cpp/o, nothing changed
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# [05:20] * @bz has no clue
# [05:20] <@ehsan> seems like our build system is entirely oblivious on what goes on in my filesystem :/
# [05:20] <@ehsan> bz: next step, rm -rf objdir?
# [05:20] * @bz blames pymake, runs away
# [05:21] <@bz> ehsan: yeah. :(
# [05:21] <@ehsan> bz: I am not using pymake!
# [05:21] <@bz> er....
# [05:21] * @bz blames gnumake
# [05:21] <@ehsan> bz: I'd rather blame khuey, and run away!
# [05:21] * @bz blames ntfs
# [05:21] <@ehsan> bz: hfs
# [05:21] <@bz> this is mac?
# [05:21] <@ehsan> it is
# [05:21] * @bz blames Apple
# [05:21] <@bz> done
# [05:21] <@ehsan> hence the ls result looking like ass!
# [05:21] <@bz> heh
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# [05:22] <@ehsan> bz: fwiw, I've had a terrible experience with the build system since I've started to use the new bindings
# [05:22] <@bz> I was confused because your .webidl wasn't a symlink, but you used -h
# [05:22] <@bz> hrm
# [05:22] <@bz> that's not good
# [05:22] <@bz> I mean....
# [05:22] <@bz> we have known issues
# [05:22] <@bz> but things should work
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# [05:22] <@bz> the issues shoud not be affecting correctness
# [05:23] <@ehsan> my experience has been clobbering at least once a day, and at least 3 times a week clobbering like 10 times a day
# [05:23] <@ehsan> :(
# [05:23] <@bz> er...
# [05:23] <@ehsan> this is just the first time I was so frustrated to speak up :/
# [05:23] <@bz> that's _really_ bad
# [05:23] <@bz> wtf?
# [05:23] <@ehsan> yeah...
# [05:23] <@bz> please ping me and esp khuey next time it happens?
# [05:23] <@bz> this is totally not ok
# [05:23] <@ehsan> sure
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# [05:24] <@ehsan> bz: (I _might_ be doing stupid stuff some of the times, but I tend to give myself more credit than that!)
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# [05:24] <@ehsan> khuey: unping for now :)
# [05:24] <@ehsan> alright, snack time!
# [05:24] <@khuey> heh, i just got back
# [05:24] <@ehsan> and also, time to grab my charger
# [05:25] <@ehsan> khuey: see backscroll for a wonderful story, but unfortunately my objdir is long gone now
# [05:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/473a5fa0d336 - Hsin-Yi Tsai - Bug 782489 - Use system messages to notify incoming sms events. r=philikon, sr=sicking
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# [05:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6e7a1b07944 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 792314 - Build full display lists for nsSimplePageSequence. r=roc
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# [05:31] <philor> heycam: windows may be planning on disliking you on aurora
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# [05:31] <heycam> yeah well I never liked aurora in the first place
# [05:31] <philor> also, why so tiny? I can barely see the test!
# [05:31] * heycam checks
# [05:31] <vlad> if I have an exception visible/open in the JS debugger (via pause on exception)
# [05:32] * philor looks for his glasses
# [05:32] <vlad> how do I print what the exception is, string-wise?
# [05:32] <vlad> for that matter, how can I access that scope from the console?
# [05:32] <Jesse> do i need to fuzz the build system? pick two random revisions, compare clobber result to depend result, complain if they aren't identical
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# [05:35] <Jesse> well ok maybe you'd have to fuzz the job completion order too
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# [05:36] <@ehsan> bz: khuey: ok, so even after a full rebuild, I got the same error :(
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# [05:37] <@khuey> ehsan: this is after a clobber?
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# [05:38] <@ehsan> khuey: yep
# [05:38] <@khuey> ok, lets back up a bit
# [05:38] <@khuey> what is the error?
# [05:39] <@ehsan> khuey: I have a function in my web idl like this:
# [05:39] <@ehsan> [Throws] void disconnect(optional unsigned long foo = 0);
# [05:39] <@ehsan> and a C++ function with this signature:
# [05:39] <@ehsan> void Disconnect(uint32_t foo, ErrorResult& aRv)
# [05:40] <@ehsan> but the generated binding tries to pass one argument to Disconnect
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# [05:40] <@ehsan> and when bz tries the same patch, it worked for him
# [05:40] <@khuey> that last bit is weird
# [05:40] <@khuey> both of you are at the same m-c rev?
# [05:40] <@khuey> no local patches?
# [05:40] <@khuey> etc?
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# [05:41] <@ehsan> no, not the same m-c rev
# [05:41] <@ehsan> I have one dependent patch which bz applied as well
# [05:41] <@ehsan> khuey: should I try merging with tip?
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# [05:42] <@khuey> maybe?
# [05:42] <@ehsan> ok
# [05:42] <@khuey> idk what to make of you and bz getting different results
# [05:43] <@bz> gremlins
# [05:43] <@khuey> the other thing you might try is deleting any pyc files in srcdir/dom/bindings
# [05:43] <@bz> or maybe my make is more afraid of me than Ehsan's is of him?
# [05:43] <@khuey> but I'm pretty sure we set the things to not do that
# [05:43] <@khuey> fear will keep /usr/local/bin in line?
# [05:43] <@bz> dom/bindings is free of the pyc infection
# [05:43] <@khuey> yeah that's what I thought
# [05:44] <@ehsan> $ find dom/bindings/ -name \*pyc
# [05:44] <@ehsan> dom/bindings//Codegen.pyc
# [05:44] <@ehsan> dom/bindings//Configuration.pyc
# [05:44] <@ehsan> you're wrong!
# [05:44] <@bz> w
# [05:44] <@bz> t
# [05:44] <@bz> f
# [05:44] <@bz> should not happen
# [05:45] <@ehsan> exactly!
# [05:45] <@ehsan> I removed them and am rebuilding now
# [05:45] <@ehsan> ...and... same error!
# [05:45] <@bz> curious
# [05:45] <@bz> did the pycs come back?
# [05:45] <@bz> what rev are you building against?
# [05:45] <@ehsan> bz: no they did not
# [05:46] <@ehsan> bz: Merge the landing of nsresult-enum on mozilla-central
# [05:46] * @ehsan is using git
# [05:46] <@bz> mmm
# [05:46] <@bz> one sec
# [05:46] <@ehsan> bz: IOW, something from mid-day friday
# [05:46] <@khuey> the pycs are probably just ancient artifacts
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# [05:47] * @bz updates to that qparent
# [05:47] <@bz> ok
# [05:47] <@bz> _now_ I get your error
# [05:47] <@bz> one sec
# [05:48] <@ehsan> hrm
# [05:48] * @ehsan shivers
# [05:48] * @bz wonders what's up
# [05:48] <@bz> well, this should be simple to deal with
# [05:48] * @bz bisects
# [05:48] <@bz> no
# [05:48] <@bz> I still get the error
# [05:48] <@bz> _very_ curious
# [05:50] <@ehsan> bz: by still, you mean on your previous qparent?
# [05:50] * @bz checks something
# [05:50] <@bz> yes
# [05:50] <@bz> ok
# [05:50] <@bz> one sec
# [05:50] <@khuey> laying out hg diffs in debug builds is SLOOOOOOOOW
# [05:50] <@bz> hmm
# [05:50] <@bz> khuey: oh, debug
# [05:51] <@bz> ehsan: well, so at least now I can reproduce
# [05:51] <@ehsan> khuey: use git? ;)
# [05:51] <@bz> ehsan: lemme see what's up
# [05:51] * @ehsan docks
# [05:51] <@ehsan> bz: ok, can I merge with tip in the mean time?
# [05:51] <@bz> ehsan: I think so, yes
# [05:51] <@ehsan> not that it matters cause I sort of lost all of my energy for tonight
# [05:51] <@ehsan> cool
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# [05:52] <@bz> oh
# [05:52] <@bz> hold on...
# [05:52] <@khuey> ehsan: git diffs aren't my testcase :-P
# [05:52] <@bz> aha
# [05:52] <@khuey> bz: yeah
# [05:52] <@bz> ehsan: My compile errors are in AudioDestinationNode
# [05:53] <@bz> ehsan: not in AudioNode
# [05:53] <@ehsan> hrm
# [05:53] <@bz> ehsan: they _both_ have disconnect() ?
# [05:53] <@ehsan> they shouldn't
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# [05:53] <@bz> well, for me AudioDestinationNode sure does not
# [05:53] <@bz> er, now
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# [05:53] <@bz> and it's not flagged [Throws]
# [05:53] <@ehsan> bz: well, indeed
# [05:53] <@ehsan> yes
# [05:54] * @bz has no idea why this built for him before
# [05:54] * @ehsan is embarrassed now
# [05:54] <@bz> maybe I imagined it
# [05:54] <@bz> maybe I ran make in the wrong tree...
# [05:54] * @bz is too tired. :(
# [05:54] <@ehsan> bz: sorry for wasting your time...
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# [05:55] <@ehsan> should've double checked everything
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# [05:55] <bz_> make[8]: *** No rule to make target `/Users/bzbarsky/mozilla/debug/mozilla/js/src/ctypes/libffi/src/x86/darwin.S', needed by `src/x86/darwin.lo'. Stop.
# [05:55] <bz_> What's that about?
# [05:55] <bz_> (building on 10.6)
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# [05:55] * bz_ tries clobber
# [05:55] <@bz> ehsan: 's ok
# [05:56] <@ehsan> bz_: oh, now I broke your build?!
# [05:56] * @ehsan is on a roll tonight
# [05:56] <@bz> ehsan: no, that's a different machine
# [05:56] <@ehsan> oh heh
# [05:56] <@ehsan> well
# [05:56] <philor> woo, moved the inbound Mac debug thing back as far as ehsan!
# [05:56] * @bz is also trying to read a paper and send feedback on it and profile some ion stuff
# [05:56] <@bz> in parallel
# [05:56] <@ehsan> bz_: I think the universe is speaking clearly here telling me to go to sleep!
# [05:56] <@bz> this is only working so well. ;)
# [05:56] <@bz> ehsan: good plan
# [05:56] * @bz should too
# [05:56] <@bz> once I finish this paper
# [05:56] <@ehsan> philor: oh, did I break something?
# [05:57] <fox2mike> jaws: pong
# [05:57] <@ehsan> bz_: interesting paper?
# [05:57] <philor> ehsan: no idea, it showed up well above you, but a lot of coalescing, and an intermittent-but-frequent, so I'm retriggering back
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# [05:57] <@ehsan> bz_: incidentally, I am hitting a new bug in my irc client for nick completion -- worst part is that _I_ wrote that code!
# [05:57] * @ehsan weeps
# [05:58] <@ehsan> philor: oh coealescing, how I hate you
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# [05:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0daf025d2891 - Trevor Saunders - bug 793316 - always return the gecko root atk object when possible r=surkov
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# [05:59] <@bz> ehsan: well, more like feedback needed tonight
# [06:00] <@bz> ehsan: though it's reasonably interesting too, yes.
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# [06:00] <philor> I also love how I'm loading a full mochitest-other log over my crap connection because the assertion is out of view because we print so many lines of completely, utterly, permanently busted stack for assertions
# [06:01] <philor> "ASSERTION: You can't dereference a NULL nsRefPtr with operator->()"
# [06:01] <philor> in mozilla::scache::PathifyURI + 0x00217524
# [06:01] * philor starts counting on his fingers
# [06:02] <@ehsan> philor: well, that's prelude to a crash
# [06:02] <philor> yeah, I do know from the stack that it's mozilla::layers::ImageContainer::CreateImage
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# [06:02] <philor> but not who touched it in a bad way
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# [06:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a802a8baf3f8 - Mark Hammond - Bug 791901 - social provider should provide more strings for the share popup. r=jaws
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# [06:12] <njn> khuey: what would the comment be
# [06:12] <njn> ?
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# [06:15] <mattwoodrow> philor: yeah, I have a feeling that is me
# [06:15] <@khuey> njn: about a test that's totally bogus
# [06:16] <mattwoodrow> gotta run too, can you back me out please
# [06:16] <njn> khuey: which one? the canvas one?
# [06:16] <philor> sure
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# [06:17] <@khuey> njn: canvasclear.html
# [06:17] <@khuey> njn: it tests how fast you can make a no-op call from C++ to JS :-P
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# [06:19] <@dolske> I am shocked -- shocked! -- that a benchmark might have a bogus test.
# [06:19] <@bsmedberg> gfritzsche: yt?
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# [06:23] <@bz> khuey: heh
# [06:24] <@bz> khuey: well, that's something I measure all the time!
# [06:24] <@khuey> bz: ;-)
# [06:24] <@bz> khuey: and hey, we beat Chrome on that one!
# [06:24] <@khuey> indeed
# [06:24] <@bz> khuey: just wait till we ship ion
# [06:24] <@bz> khuey: it'll be even faster then
# [06:25] <@khuey> are we not shipping ion in nightly?
# [06:25] <@bz> we are
# [06:25] <@bz> were your numbers nightly, not 16?
# [06:25] <@bz> er, 15?
# [06:25] <philor> ugh, ugh, ugh
# [06:25] <@khuey> yes
# [06:25] <@khuey> hence the changeset link
# [06:25] <@bz> ok
# [06:25] <@bz> right
# [06:25] <@bz> fair
# [06:26] <@bz> hmm
# [06:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0bd66e216a43 - Chris Jones - Bug 793365: Make sure (again) that the entire buffer is valid when we might be asynchronously composited. r=roc
# [06:26] <@bz> we need three bugs on the table innerhtml, scrolling, resize tests
# [06:26] <@bz> want to file those?
# [06:26] <jaws> fox2mike: unping, bkero helped fix the issue
# [06:26] <fox2mike> jaws: okay, I was pto the last few days
# [06:26] <@khuey> want to? not really
# [06:26] <@khuey> but I will
# [06:27] <philor> ehsan: you de-NSPRed mattwoodrow's push, would you like to back him out so I don't back you out to keep from screwing up the merge?
# [06:27] <jaws> k, no problem :)
# [06:27] <@ehsan> philor: feel free to back out that patch if you need to, it's auto-generated
# [06:27] <philor> kthx
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# [06:28] <@bz> khuey: thank you!
# [06:28] <@bz> khuey: please feel free to cc me too
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# [06:34] <philor> good idea: putting a link to your try push in the bug, to absolve you from accusations; bad idea: putting a link to your try push which shows the bustage you're going to land
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# [06:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1424662e3136 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 8bd13443d0bc (bug 579517) to get a clean backout
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# [07:04] <valenting> hi... I'm trying to return a JS object from C++, but I need to do some work off the main thread. I save the JSContext and use it in the callback function (on the main thread) but it crashes. I think it's because the context gets freed. is there any way to insure it remains valid until I need it?
# [07:05] <@bz> no
# [07:06] <valenting> is there another way of doing it then?
# [07:07] <valenting> the callback, I mean
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# [07:10] <shu> 56fc051c1932, a2ad17b87332
# [07:10] <shu> (bug 781053) for OS X debug assertions and crashes
# [07:10] <shu> 21:24 < firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1424662e3136 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 8bd13443d0bc (bug 579517) to get a clean backout
# [07:10] <shu> 21:38 -!- mode/#developers (+o dveditz) by ChanServ
# [07:10] <shu> 21:47 < firebot> Check-in:
# [07:10] <shu> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/630b27327526 - Chris
# [07:10] <shu> Double - Bug 790125 - Throbber not working in browser video
# [07:10] <shu> controls on B2G - r=cjones
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# [07:10] <shu> 21:54 < valenting> hi... I'm trying to return a JS object from C++, but I need to do some work off the main thread. I save the JSContext
# [07:10] <shu> and use it in the callback function (on the main thread) but
# [07:10] <shu> it crashes. I think it's because the context gets freed. is
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# [07:10] <shu> there any way to insure it remains valid until I need it?
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# [07:10] <shu> 21:55 <@bz> no
# [07:10] <shu> 21:55 < valenting> is there another way of doing it then?
# [07:10] <shu> 21:57 < valenting> the callback, I mean
# [07:10] <shu> [21:59] [shu(+ix)] [9:Mozilla/#developers(+nrs)] [Act: 1,2,3,4,8,21,23,28]
# [07:10] <shu> #developers>
# [07:11] <shu> oh god
# [07:11] <shu> so sorry! :(
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# [07:11] <glob> d'oh
# [07:12] <@dveditz> heh, was just about to kick you thinking it was a rogue script
# [07:12] <@bz> valenting: well, you just need to pick a JSContext, right?
# [07:12] <valenting> yup
# [07:13] <valenting> should I create a new one?
# [07:13] <@bz> it really depends on the behavior you want
# [07:13] <shu> dveditz: i was highlight some stuff mindlessly and accidentally right clicked, which then prompted to paste everything in putty. sorry again
# [07:13] <@bz> and on whether you're calling untrusted code
# [07:13] <shu> highlighting*
# [07:14] <@dveditz> yup, it happens
# [07:14] <@dveditz> as long as there's a sorry human behind it not much harm :-)
# [07:14] <@dveditz> s/sorry/apologetic/
# [07:16] <valenting> bz: all of the functions I call are in necko. I just need to expose some networking stats to a jetpack addon
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# [07:16] <Callek> I'm coming up empty, does anyone have a solution that would let me VNC into a OSX 10.7 [Lion] machine from Windows or Linux, without requiring me to tweak OSX settings other than ensuring "Screen Sharing" itself is turned on?
# [07:16] <Callek> I don't mind if it is a for-pay offering, I just need one that works
# [07:19] <jaws> where should i file a "access denied" bug for blobs?
# [07:20] <@dolske> Core::DOM?
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# [07:21] <jaws> sounds good enough for me
# [07:21] <@bz> jaws: cc khuey
# [07:21] <@bz> jaws: and me
# [07:22] <jaws> ok cool
# [07:22] <@bz> valenting: Then you may be able to just create a new JSContext and use it as needed.
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# [07:22] <valenting> bz: ok. I'll try doing that. Thanks a lot!
# [07:23] <@bz> valenting: good luck!
# [07:25] <MattN> Callek: what doesn't work with just enabling VNC in Screen Sharing settings?
# [07:25] <Callek> MattN: I need to use it for MoCo work as well, which I cant modify the explicit Screen Sharing Settings on the remote systems [easily]
# [07:25] <Callek> MattN: I could if I had *really* good reasons on why I should
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# [07:28] <jaws> doing your work sounds like a good reason ;)
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# [07:28] <Callek> jaws: doing my work could entail me just getting a nice shiny retina display macbook :-)
# [07:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9d9d8bf66243 - Chris Pearce - Bug 785662 - Add NS_OpenAnonymousTemporaryFile(), and use it in nsMediaCache::Init(). r=roc
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# [07:29] <Callek> jaws: I'm trying to find a "don't ask for shiny hardware" for work potential that I don't need to do *often*
# [07:29] <Callek> but that I do need to be able to do
# [07:29] <jaws> what's holding you back from checking these other check boxes?
# [07:29] <Callek> well # 1 without being able to VNC in, I can't flip a checkbox in UI I can't see ;-)
# [07:30] <Callek> # 2 I don't know implications on system performance if I do flip these checkboxes, since the systems also measure our perf numbers
# [07:30] <Callek> # 3 if it changes security exposure, needs infrasec review
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# [07:32] <glob> Callek, so, i hear you're getting a new macbook
# [07:32] <Callek> glob: lol I think I might
# [07:33] <Callek> stupid 1st world problems
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# [07:35] <reuben> Callek: all you can do is enable the screen sharing option? if you check "vnc viewers may control screen with password" under "computer settings…" than any windows or linux VNC client can connect
# [07:35] <reuben> s/than/then/
# [07:36] <Callek> reuben: see my 3 points above ;-)
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# [07:50] <valenting> bz: creating a new jscontext didn't work. here's my stack trace: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1841233
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# [08:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/821a32229045 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 793588 (part 1) - Remove vacuous JSObject* parameter to Enumerate() et al. r=sfink.
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# [08:25] <heycam> if I push aurora to try, that should just work, right? nothing special needed to get it to build?
# [08:26] <heycam> why should https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1948d108c25f have done all red?
# [08:27] <heycam> oh, is it something to do with pymake being used on the builders now?
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# [08:28] <heycam> ah, from the dev.platform mail - "While try builds are much faster now, we also lose the ability to build Firefox 15-17 on them. I spent a bit of time investigating workarounds but didn't get anywhere, unfortunately." :(
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# [08:46] <glazou> bonjour
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# [08:54] <Hughman> why is AMD 12.8 driver blocked on win7?
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# [08:54] <KWierso|Home> because AMD drivers are weird
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# [08:55] <Hughman> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drivers just says 10.6 or higher
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# [08:57] <KWierso|Home> bug 792480 happened, most likely
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# [08:59] <mjrosenb> ok, I'm surprised that I didn't ask this question several years ago... let's say I mistype a url, is there any way to remove that from the list of autocomplete results?
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# [09:01] <Hughman> KWierso|Home: thanks, i somehow missed that in the wiki
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# [09:01] <KWierso|Home> mjrosenb: select it in the list of autocomplete results and hit delete?
# [09:03] <mjrosenb> woah, that works?
# [09:03] <KWierso|Home> thought so
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# [09:03] <mjrosenb> since i've gone god knows how long without realizing that
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# [09:09] <sewardj> gkw: yeah, one V/mochitest run per day is the kind of thing we want to be doing
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# [09:10] <sewardj> could possibly do a mochitest run on android simulator in 2-3 days too
# [09:10] <gkw> sewardj: you mean one V/every-test run per day :)
# [09:10] <gkw> we shouldn't just restrict to mochitests
# [09:10] <sewardj> gkw: ok.
# [09:10] <sewardj> gkw: but anyway, my point is the same as njn 's
# [09:11] <gkw> more coverage per run, less number of runs
# [09:11] <gkw> agreed
# [09:12] <sewardj> gkw: ... that is, I have picked up far more errors in Fx by once a month mochi/V runs
# [09:12] <sewardj> than running V every startup of Fx that I make
# [09:13] <gkw> interesting, but somewhat unsurprising. mochitests / our testsuite is quite comprehensive but can be slow
# [09:13] <sewardj> gkw: did the missing source locations in backtraces get fixed yet?
# [09:13] <gkw> sewardj: we should find out in tomorrow's nightly
# [09:14] <gkw> or today's nightly
# [09:14] <sewardj> k
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# [09:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2cef0f510e79 - Dave Townsend - Bug 671894 - Part 1: Add-ons Manager doesn't recover correctly in some cases when the database is locked. r=Unfocused
# [09:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d3089bef49ea - Blair McBride - Bug 671894 - Part 2: Add-ons Manager doesn't recover correctly in some cases when the database is locked. r=Mossop
# [09:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3c95dca80f3f - Victor Porof - Bug 790650 - It may be a good idea to have the debugger start with collapsed panels, r=past
# [09:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/08d435dedc7f - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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# [10:04] <edmorley> Ms2ger: hi :-)
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# [10:08] <edmorley> anyone know why builds aren't being scheduled?
# [10:11] <TheOne> is there a way to manually apply the .mar files?
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# [10:15] <TheOne> urgh, this is complicated
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# [10:25] <Standard8> edmorley: I'm getting 502 bad gateway looking at self-serve
# [10:25] <edmorley> Yeah me too, I filed bug 793984
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# [10:33] <hsivonen> in April, I created a partition to hold my debug objdir. Today Firefox outgrew it.
# [10:33] <hsivonen> I didn’t expect to have to rearrange things so soon
# [10:33] <hsivonen> the partition was 4.0 GB minus ext4 file system, so around 3.8 GB
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# [10:38] <gcp> VM's or SSD's?
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# [10:49] <hsivonen> gcp: SSD
# [10:49] <hsivonen> I wanted my objdir to be maximally RAM-cacheable by the kernel and unaffected by flushes issued to the other file systems
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# [11:02] <Standard8> edmorley: looks like they may be recovering/recovered
# [11:02] <edmorley> yeah, hopefully :-)
# [11:02] <edmorley> was going to leave a bit longer before reopening just in case
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# [11:06] <Callek> Standard8, edmorley: it looks ike there was a rather large network glitch mozilla-wise
# [11:06] <Callek> affecting intra colo connections, and explicitly the DB connections
# [11:06] <Callek> buildapi is reporting up, and the primary checks have all reported in ok.
# [11:06] <Callek> but I didn't see any notice on what was wrong
# [11:07] * Callek expects someone else from releng to pressure at least one person from IT to be poking at logs tomorrow ;-)
# [11:07] <Callek> s/tomorrow/today/ for you too
# [11:07] <Callek> s/too/two/
# [11:07] <Callek> (can you tell I'm tired)
# [11:08] <karl> i'm wondering how to interpret logs like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=15506481&tree=Try#error0
# [11:09] <karl> there's the shutdown, passed, failed, todo, finished messages
# [11:09] <karl> then downloading symbols
# [11:09] <karl> application crashed
# [11:09] <karl> and then exec format error
# [11:09] <karl> a shutdown crash, i guess?
# [11:09] <karl> but why no stack?
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# [11:14] <Callek> karl: unfortunately it doesn't properly expand a stack trace from android (in my experience)
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# [11:16] <karl> maybe there's quite a bit of luck involved; i do have a crash stack on a green run
# [11:16] <Callek> karl: I'd retrigger it, but philor or edmorely could tell you better on this particular issue
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# [11:17] <Callek> karl: can you (in addition) e-mail me a link to the log for said green run that had a crash and a stack for android?
# [11:17] <karl> seems i have something to fix anyway
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# [11:17] <Callek> I want to check on an assumption of my own, that I won't be coherent enough to check right now, and would forget otherwise
# [11:17] <Callek> karl: callek@mozilla.com
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# [11:24] <edmorley> Callek: regarding bug 793678; we never see any of the log entries, presume due to the lack of flushing before exit
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# [11:24] <edmorley> Callek: are they supposed to be dumped into the main test log, or at the end?
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# [11:24] <Callek> edmorley: into the log when setFlag is hit
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# [11:25] <Callek> but if the log hits a buildbot timeout, python isn't guaranteed to flush the stdout before buildbot kills off that process
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# [11:25] <Callek> and if the foopy kills off buildbot, similar.
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# [11:26] <Callek> edmorley: soooo we should see them *when* there is an error, but its kind of weird... I suspect philor's patch I forgot to stage today (but will when I wake up) that makes all VERIFY errors RETRY will save you a lot of pain
# [11:26] <Callek> ;-)
# [11:26] <edmorley> Callek: yes it will; but I'd still like the logs to actually work
# [11:26] <Callek> edmorley: comment in bug if wish to debate my reasons there though, I am not strongly opposed if it helps you, I'm just not so sure it would
# [11:26] <Callek> ;-)
# [11:26] <edmorley> ok :-)
# [11:27] <Callek> (plus I'm not too fond of the duplicated text like that)
# [11:27] <edmorley> Callek: guess a comprimise would just be to stick the print inside setFlag
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# [11:28] <edmorley> at least we wouldn't double up the strings
# [11:28] <Callek> edmorley: thats specifically why I marked it f+ and r- both. :-) and yea, I could see myself accepting that compromise.
# [11:28] <Callek> I don't think it will do any better than log.info there ;-)
# [11:28] <Callek> but we can work on that if need be
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# [11:28] <Callek> and it won't really hurt (much :-) )
# [11:29] <Callek> or rather it won't technically hurt anything other than your eyes withe xtra lines
# [11:29] <Callek> bah I am overtired, I'm babbling and misspeaking
# [11:29] <Callek> edmorley: enjoy your AM, I should go to sleep while it is still dark out
# [11:29] <edmorley> ok :-)
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# [11:41] <karl> Callek: the green run was https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=15506444&tree=Try#error0
# [11:41] <karl> that looks broken enough
# [11:42] <karl> but that's the green 2 on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b4ea6d786971
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# [12:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f3544d53ea06 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 787477 - Part 2: Update ContactManager and ContactService. r=gwagner
# [12:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/08dad2228e8b - Yoshi Huang - Bug 787477 - Part 1: Update IDL of getICCContacts. r=philikon. sr=sicking
# [12:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ba159322e73 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 787477 - Part 3: Add errorMsg for getICCContacts in RIL. r=philikon
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# [12:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7006a89424bf - Yoshi Huang - Bug 790543 - Part 2: Add SET_UP_EVENT_LIST in RIL. r=philikon
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# [12:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/447a1f0979e9 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 790550 - Part 1: Update MozStkResponse. r=philikon
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# [12:55] <ttaubert> I have a nsIDocument which is a root document. is there a way to get the corresponding nsIXULWindow instance for it?
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# [12:57] <NeilAway> hsivonen: where do I look to find out whether <form> is legal inside <span>?
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# [12:59] <hsivonen> NeilAway: define “legal”
# [13:01] <NeilAway> hsivonen: e.g. will <span style="opacity: 0.4;"><form><input type=submit> result in a translucent input?
# [13:01] <Optimize1> should
# [13:01] <hsivonen> NeilAway: yes
# [13:02] <Optimize1> and that is totally illegal, CBI should be there in a minute
# [13:02] <hsivonen> NeilAway: it’s non-conforming, though
# [13:02] <hsivonen> NeilAway: the markup that is.
# [13:03] <hsivonen> NeilAway: a conforming UA makes the input translucent
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# [13:05] <hsivonen> where should I set a breakpoint to catch bfcache page restorations early?
# [13:06] <NeilAway> hsivonen: hmm, so did HTML5 throw away the old containment rules?
# [13:07] <NeilAway> hsivonen: nsDocShell::RestoreFromHistory?
# [13:09] <hsivonen> NeilAway: thanks (re: docshell)
# [13:09] <hsivonen> NeilAway: no
# [13:09] <hsivonen> NeilAway: if you are generating markup, the rules that apply to you say <form> must not be a child of <span> (as before)
# [13:10] <hsivonen> NeilAway: if you are parsing markup, <form> becomes a child of <span> (as before in at least some browsers)
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# [13:11] <hsivonen> NeilAway: parsing doesn’t coerce the DOM to validity when the input is invalid
# [13:12] <NeilAway> hsivonen: so that is a change from previous parsers then
# [13:12] <hsivonen> NeilAway: nope
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# [13:12] <hsivonen> NeilAway: our old parser did more coercion than Trident and WebKit but not full conformance coercion
# [13:13] <NeilAway> hsivonen: and our new parser does less coercion?
# [13:13] <hsivonen> NeilAway: yes. the new one conforms to the spec
# [13:13] <bjacob> is TBPL down?
# [13:13] <NeilAway> hsivonen: ok ta
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# [13:14] <hsivonen> which in practice means that it tokenizes like old IE (roughly) and builds the tree like old WebKit (roughly)
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# [14:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42b4cad82f1a - Ted Mielczarek - bug 705047 - re-enable OOP crashreporter tests on mac. r=philor
# [14:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c54522d3e3f4 - Ted Mielczarek - bug 791775 - Update to Breakpad SVN r1047. r=glandium
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# [14:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99372a4caf76 - Ted Mielczarek - bug 733501 - Fix crashreporter xpcshell tests to actually run. r=jmaher
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# [14:47] <NeilAway> ttaubert: I meant to say, have you seen nsDocument::DoNotifyPossibleTitleChange?
# [14:48] <glandium> ted: you're orange
# [14:48] <edmorley> ted: ping
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# [14:48] <@ted> *sigh*
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# [14:49] <@ted> did i lose something along the way while re-landing my patches?
# [14:49] <@ted> i totally did
# [14:49] <@ted> edmorley: ok if i land a 1-line fix?
# [14:49] <edmorley> sure :-)
# [14:49] <@ted> i fixed this in my previous patch but apparently that didn't get committed to my mq repo :-(
# [14:50] <@ted> so when i reverted to get my patches back i lost that fix...
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# [14:54] <@ted> re-landing a large patch that's been backed out is seriously painful
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# [14:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3218db438fdf - Mike Hommey - Bug 793634 - Force builds to be compatible with gtk 2.18/glib 2.22. r=karlt
# [14:58] <ttaubert> NeilAway: oh cool thx. I found a different way that seems to work as well :)
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# [15:08] <@bz_sleep> Does github's issue tracker really have no way to reference comments?
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# [15:08] <@bz_sleep> Like "comment 5" or whatnot?
# [15:09] <@khuey> not afaict
# [15:09] <NeilAway> ttaubert: anyway, is there a reason not to compare against nsIAppShellService::GetHidden[DOM]Window?
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# [15:11] <ttaubert> NeilAway: I don't know if that's better, tbh
# [15:12] <ttaubert> ttaubert: should work, too.
# [15:12] <ttaubert> hah
# [15:12] <ttaubert> NeilAway, I mean
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# [15:16] <catlee> ted: I think some of the breakpad stuff breaks b2g builds...
# [15:16] <catlee> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1841861
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# [15:16] <@ted> hah, that's awesome
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# [15:17] <@ted> i guess it's actually pulling in those Android.mk files
# [15:17] <@ted> hooray for stupid build systems
# [15:17] <@ted> we should just be able to hg rm the two Android.mk files
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# [15:18] <@ted> did we break Rdio in nightlies?
# [15:18] <@ted> doesn't seem to load for me
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# [15:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b8c267074d62 - Brad Lassey - bug 793829 - no debug symbols for in-tree freetype r=ted
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# [15:19] <@ted> catlee: can you test that or should i just push it?
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# [15:21] <catlee> I'll test it
# [15:21] <catlee> are those files pretty new?
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# [15:30] <@ted> catlee: yeah, they were just added in this breakpad update i just landed
# [15:30] <ewong> catlee ping
# [15:30] <@ted> (upstream added some better android support)
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# [15:31] <@ted> catlee: toolkit/crashreporter/google-breakpad/android/sample_app/jni/Android.mk
# [15:31] <@ted> toolkit/crashreporter/google-breakpad/android/google_breakpad/Android.mk
# [15:31] <catlee> ewong: pong
# [15:31] <ewong> catlee re: bug 704006, I'm waiting for Dustin's response right?
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# [15:33] <catlee> ewong: yeah, I'd like to see if this can get landed upstream first
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# [15:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/06a996a45063 - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 793513 - Only set properties on the rest array if it doesn't have unknown ones. r=jandem
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# [15:36] <armenzg> jimm: can I fix it by the end of this week?
# [15:36] <armenzg> I had put a couple of important bugs on the side to clear up the nightly builds for elm
# [15:37] <jimm> armenzg: sounds good, thanks for all the help on the nightly bug.
# [15:37] <armenzg> yw!
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# [15:37] <armenzg> I was feeling embarassed that I had not yet got to it
# [15:38] <armenzg> *embarrassed
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# [15:38] <armenzg> brb
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# [15:38] <catlee> ted: ah, I just removed sample_app/jni/*.mk
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# [15:41] <@ted> catlee: the other one might not be a problem, id unno
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# [15:42] <catlee> me neither...let's see!
# [15:42] <catlee> it got past that initial phase and now it's building
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# [15:43] <@khuey> there will be a beta 5 this week, right?
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# [15:45] <@ted> catlee: sounds good
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# [15:51] <@ted> wow, test_bug733553.html sure has a lot of orange bugs filed on it
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# [15:54] <@ted> edmorley: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1841899
# [15:54] <@ted> exciting, from mochitest-3 on my push
# [15:54] <@ted> er, 2
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# [15:55] <@ted> oh, was that your backout?
# [15:55] <edmorley> yeah
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# [15:55] <edmorley> cpearce's landing
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# [16:01] <mounir> ehsan: if we have a mega-patch changing PR_UINT32_MAX with numeric_limits equivalent, can we still disallow at compile time PR_UINT32_MAX? I guess we don't want to remove that from NSPR
# [16:01] <@ehsan> mounir: we _can't_ remove it from nspr!
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# [16:02] <@ehsan> mounir: I've been trying to reduce the number of places where we #include "prtypes.h"
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# [16:02] <@ehsan> but the biggest blocker is PRUnichar for now
# [16:02] <mounir> ehsan: but can we use a magic compiler trick to make some macros not working?
# [16:02] <mounir> just wondering
# [16:03] <@ehsan> mounir: also, fwiw, we can't change PR_UINT32_MAX to numeric_limits everywhere, a mechanical conversion should porbably convert to UINT32_MAX
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# [16:03] <mounir> why?
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# [16:03] <@ehsan> since not all of our compilers support constexpr
# [16:03] <@ehsan> for example
# [16:04] <@ehsan> you can't instantiate a template based on the result of a function call unless it's constexpr
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# [16:04] <@ehsan> so, you can't say Foo<numeric_limits<int>::max()>
# [16:04] <mounir> oh ok
# [16:04] <mounir> costexpr is a C++11 novelty, right?
# [16:05] <@ehsan> correct
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# [16:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f9951a2e6df - José Guilherme Vanz - Bug 785918 - Replace the usages of PR_ARRAY_SIZE with mozilla::ArrayLength; r=ehsan
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# [16:10] <@ted> ehsan: interesting, could we just import the PRUnichar typedef into nscore.h?
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# [16:13] <Yoric> constexpr?
# [16:13] <Yoric> What is that?
# [16:14] <edmorley> ted: rs+ to update the makefile so I can get another build going for gary?
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# [16:14] <Yoric> Sounds like yet-another-c++-concept-that-should-not-work-in-theory-but-that-sometimes-works-in-practice-so-what-the-heck-lets-put-it-in-the-standard.
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# [16:15] <@ted> edmorley: sure
# [16:15] <edmorley> ta
# [16:15] <glandium> Yoric: it's worse than that, it has so many constraints that it's mostly unuseful
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# [16:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/555f91476597 - Ed Morley - Bug 793584 - Update Makefile to use i386-redhat-linux-gnu.sup too; rs=ted DONTBUILD since NPOTDB
# [16:16] <Yoric> Why am I not surprised?
# [16:16] <Yoric> I just hope that rust doesn't end up like this.
# [16:17] <glandium> Yoric: for instance, the first constraint is that the constexpr function can only contain a return statement.
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# [16:36] <jwir3> so wifi location actually works better than gps location for mobile devices?
# [16:39] <edmorley> benjamin: thank you for backing that out, I got as far as trying to find ehsan in-channel to ping, then got distracted with another patch lol
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# [16:40] <benjamin> np
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# [16:46] <catlee> ted: removing just the sample_app .mk files WFM
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# [16:47] <Spider> Hi, I'm trying to find a way to run a debug version of FF/Gecko without any Chrome. Why? Debugging an horribly over-complex javascript application.
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# [16:50] <mbrubeck> Spider: https://blog.mozilla.org/ted/2010/07/29/moz-headless-screenshot/ has some links to three different ways to run "headless" Firefox browsers, though it's a bit old and the two projects mentioned don't seem to be currently maintained.
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# [16:51] <mbrubeck> Spider: Or maybe you could run it in the Spidermonkey JS shell, with https://github.com/andreasgal/dom.js if it needs the HTML DOM?
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# [16:53] <jwir3> mbrubeck: you're up early. :)
# [16:53] <Spider> mbrubeck: Yeah, it needs the DOM. And an interactive window
# [16:54] <Spider> Thanks, I'll look at it
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# [16:56] <@ehsan> smaug: ping
# [16:56] <@smaug> ehsan: pong
# [16:57] <@smaug> review is coming later today
# [16:57] <@ehsan> smaug: any chance you could take a look at bug 793294
# [16:57] <@ehsan> smaug: heh
# [16:57] <@smaug> probably in and 90 mins
# [16:57] <@ehsan> thanks!
# [16:57] <@ehsan> great
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# [17:01] <Yoric> ttaubert: Can you tell me when (and how often) we write the session store?
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# [17:05] <@smaug> hmm, how do I know when a new nightly is ready
# [17:05] <Ms2ger> Watch tbpl
# [17:05] <@smaug> I thought Nightlies are pgo'ed
# [17:05] <@smaug> but N is not in pgo builds
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# [17:06] <Ms2ger> That's probably just misreporting
# [17:06] <ferjm> hi! what is the preferred code styling for acronyms in a function exposed to the DOM (i.e. sendMMI or sendMmi)? Also is the same for the idl, js and cpp?
# [17:07] <Ms2ger> smaug, looking at the time a win nightly takes, it's a lot closer to a pgo build than a normal opt build
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# [17:08] <@khuey> ferjm: sendMMI
# [17:08] <@khuey> ferjm: for IDL and JS
# [17:09] <@khuey> ferjm: it'll be reflected in C++ as SendMMI
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# [17:09] <ferjm> khuey: ok, thanks!
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# [17:09] <edmorley> smaug: nightlies are pgo'ed; the N on tbpl is the nightly
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# [17:10] <edmorley> well... for the platforms on which we actually do pgo that 9is
# [17:11] <Ms2ger> khuey, unless it's longer than three letters? :)
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# [17:11] <Ms2ger> (See: XML-Http-Request)
# [17:11] <@bz> Unless it's 2000
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# [17:12] <dholbert> bz, (delayed ping from last night): I do have a profiling setup -- sysprof on linux, which is pretty reasonable
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# [17:12] <dholbert> (er s/ping/pong/)
# [17:12] <@bz> dholber: ok, cool
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# [17:12] <Ms2ger> Also, hi bz :)
# [17:12] <@bz> dholber: I'll keep ccing you on layout perf bugs, then. ;)
# [17:12] <@bz> er, dholbert: ^
# [17:12] <dholbert> bz, is this w.r.t. all the "find out why we're slow on $BENCHMARK" bugs you filed last night?
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# [17:12] <dholbert> bz, thanks :)
# [17:13] <@khuey> Ms2ger: *shrug*
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# [17:13] <dholbert> dbaron, what sort of situation would have us setting mVResize and mHResize without setting the dirty flag on a frame? (In what sort of situations do we rely on mHResize / mVResize?)
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# [17:14] <ttaubert> Yoric: too often ;)
# [17:14] <Yoric> So should we buffer writes?
# [17:14] <dholbert> dbaron, I tried a tweak to style.height on an element, and that sets the dirty flag on its frame. Same with a tweak to style.height on its parent, when the child is height:100%
# [17:14] <ttaubert> Yoric: there's a couple of events that we're listening for. keyboard input, tabclose, tabopen, navigation, etc. we collect data again and write to session store file
# [17:15] <@bz> dholbert: yep, $BENCHMARK
# [17:15] <ttaubert> Yoric: what benefits would buffering have?
# [17:15] <@dbaron> dholbert, resizing the iframe containing the page, often
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# [17:15] <@dbaron> dholbert, in the cases where that causes things to resize, of course
# [17:15] <Yoric> Well, writing less often to the disk, ideally.
# [17:16] <Yoric> That is, if we put a 10sec buffer (for instance), the session store will only be written once there is no collection activity for 10 seconds.
# [17:16] <Yoric> ("collection" as in "we collect data")
# [17:16] <@bz> Ms2ger: hey
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# [17:20] <ttaubert> Yoric: I just looked again. we have an interval. we're not saving more than once every 15s
# [17:20] <ttaubert> by default
# [17:20] <Yoric> Ah, good.
# [17:20] <Yoric> Then I don't need to add this.
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# [17:21] <@khuey> lol
# [17:21] <@khuey> oh jlebar
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# [17:22] <philikon> "tab process 373 | automationutils.processLeakLog() | missing output line for total leaks!"
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# [17:22] <philikon> is that a known failure?
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# [17:23] <Ms2ger> philikon, yes
# [17:23] <Ms2ger> bug 782633
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# [17:23] <philikon> ok thanks
# [17:24] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [17:26] <mcsmurf> what is "Crash reason" on crash-stats.mozilla.com ?
# [17:26] <mcsmurf> ok, nvm :)
# [17:26] <Standard8> mcsmurf: it can indicate hang I think
# [17:26] <mcsmurf> (something like EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION_READ was the answer to my question)
# [17:27] <mcsmurf> (as an example)
# [17:27] <Standard8> oh that one
# [17:29] <catlee> edmorley: scripts/scripts/valgrind/valgrind.sh: line 71: cross-architecture-suppression_file=/builds/slave/m-cen-lnx-valgrind/objdir/_valgrind/cross-architecture.sup: No such file or directory
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# [17:30] <edmorley> catlee: ah, thanks
# [17:30] <catlee> I don't htink that's a valid bash variable name
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# [17:31] <catlee> cross_arch_suppression_file would be better
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# [17:32] <philor> ted: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=15515546&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [17:33] <philor> I personally don't think it's a serious problem, I don't think anything has ever been done with or about any tegra crash, but still - we'll have to file a bug on it, and blame every tegra crash on you
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# [18:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/48b43bd3fb17 - Wes Johnston - Bug 793750 - Fix missing scope in launching marketplace. r=mfinkle
# [18:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2cf6a9aa2dbe - Jeff Hammel - Bug 793746 - point to new talos.zip for dzclient;r=jmaher
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# [18:29] <@khuey> did firefox eat too many cookies?
# [18:30] <@smaug> oh, now it went down
# [18:30] <@khuey> http://dawnchapel.com/2010/07/firefox-has-crashed/
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# [18:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83881c59bc27 - Ed Morley - Bug 793739 - mirror mozbase to m-c for week of Sept 24, 2012 @ https://github.com/mozilla/mozbase/commit/b12b008846bc14744d43899ab356f5441e2416ea;r=jhammel
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# [18:50] <@ted> catlee-lunch: i can, or you can
# [18:50] <@ted> whatever
# [18:50] <@ted> philor: ah, hah
# [18:50] <@ted> philor: guess we need to update the minidump_stackwalk in build/tools
# [18:50] <@ted> upstream breakpad changed to use os=android
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# [18:51] <@ted> kinda weird that it errors like that
# [18:52] <jdm> ehsan: who would be a good review for the contentprefservice PB work?
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# [18:52] <@ted> oh, i see why it fails
# [18:52] <@ted> philor: did you file a bug?
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# [18:52] <philor> ted: bug 794122
# [18:53] <@ted> thanks
# [18:53] <@ted> should be an easy fix
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# [19:00] <vtmarvin> Mozilla gurus: xulrunner 15.0.1 SDK win32 as d'led from mozilla ftp does not have symbols for mozilla::BlockingResourceBase ctor and dtor in any of its libs. I am kind of lost in how am i supposed to use the new mozilla::Mutex wrapper for PRLock.
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# [19:03] <@smaug> vtmarvin: you may want to ask cjones
# [19:04] <@smaug> who isn't here atm
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# [19:06] <Ms2ger> cjones, ^
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# [19:06] <myk> jdm: when i download and run B2G Desktop directly (i.e. not via the addon) on my 64bit Fedora 17 VM, it dies with this error:
# [19:06] <myk> XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /home/myk/Downloads/b2g/libxpcom.so:
# [19:06] <myk> libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
# [19:06] <myk> Couldn't load XPCOM.
# [19:07] <@smaug> cjones: vtmarvin is asking about Mutex stuff
# [19:07] <jdm> myk: yes, I see that with every release I download from mozilla.org (aurora, beta, etc.)
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# [19:07] <jdm> there is speculation that it's wrongly giving me 64 bit versions instead of 32bit ones
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# [19:08] <myk> jdm: but the same binary works on my 32bit Ubuntu 11.10 VM
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# [19:08] <jdm> maybe I have the speculation backwards
# [19:09] <myk> jdm: i'm downloading B2G Desktop from https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/b2g/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ , which only has 32bit versions
# [19:09] <jdm> myk: when I run with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. it gives an error for a system library instead
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# [19:09] <myk> s/32bit versions/a 32bit version of the linux binary/
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# [19:12] <myk> jdm: for libasound.so.2? i see that too
# [19:12] <jdm> myk: I see a dbus-related one instead, but I don't think the difference is important.
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# [19:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7cd024506a0c - Geoff Brown - Bug 792147: Disable memory cache on armv6; r=kats
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# [19:20] <paul> bz: what do you mean by "flush"?
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# [19:21] <myk> jdm: the libxul.so issue seems solvable, and you can install the 32bit libraries the app needs, but doing so is cumbersome; we should build a 64bit version of B2G Desktop for Linux, as we do for Firefox
# [19:21] <jdm> agreed
# [19:22] <@bz> paul: get the computed display style, say
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# [19:22] <@bz> paul: getting computed display style is probably best
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# [19:23] <paul> bz: I understand
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# [19:25] <dholbert> dolske, ping?
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# [19:27] <dholbert> dolske, (or anyone): know anything about the strength / crackability of the encryption that we use for Master-Password-protected data? (in reference to https://twitter.com/meyerweb/status/250644292622774273 )
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# [19:28] <paul> bz: thanks a lot. It works :)
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# [19:30] <Mossop> dholbert: Given that the vast majority of people don't even use a master password it is easily crackable ;)
# [19:30] <dholbert> Mossop, sure, a nonexistent password is easy to crack. :)
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# [19:31] <glob> probably referring to FireMaster, which does a brute force crack
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# [19:31] <Mook_as> dholbert: 3des, IIRC?
# [19:31] <armenzg> who is an expert on mochitests?
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# [19:32] <armenzg> or "the expert"?
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# [19:33] <@bz> paul: excellent. ;)
# [19:33] <@bz> armenzg: which part of them?
# [19:34] <armenzg> bz: I've got some XP slaves that somehow spew "ERROR: Logon failure: unknown user name or bad password." at the end of the run and messes everything up
# [19:35] <armenzg> the string does not show up in our own code so I assume it is some sort of Microsoft problem
# [19:35] <@bz> ah
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# [19:35] <@bz> the actual infra
# [19:35] <Ms2ger> Sounds like IT :)
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# [19:35] <@bz> er, idea
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# [19:36] <glob> dholbert, as far as i can tell from the firemaster source, it's SEC_OID_PKCS12_PBE_WITH_SHA1_AND_TRIPLE_DES_CBC
# [19:36] <armenzg> Ms2ger: bz: I want to know if mochitests trigger some sort of webserver that requires a cert or something being generated
# [19:36] <Ms2ger> They do run a webserver
# [19:36] <@khuey> there are certs in the tree that are used
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# [19:37] <Ms2ger> armenzg_brb, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/runtests.py
# [19:38] <catlee> edmorley: I kicked off another valgrind job
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# [19:38] <gkw> catlee: both 32/64-bit?
# [19:38] <catlee> gkw: just 32-bit for now
# [19:39] <catlee> let's see if it works
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# [19:39] <gkw> catlee: i get this error trying to get Valgrind 32-bit to rebuild on tbpl: TypeError: builds.filter is not a function
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# [19:40] <catlee> gkw: hmm...I don't know what that means. I'm not very familiar with tbpl
# [19:40] <gkw> catlee: who would be?
# [19:40] <Jesse> edmorley: does the makefile need to be updated for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696298 ?
# [19:40] <Jesse> like in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793584
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# [19:43] <@dolske> dholbert: yeah, not a whole lot to do about it, short passwords + brute force + annoying UI = fail
# [19:44] <edmorley> gkw: no problem :-)
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# [19:45] <edmorley> catlee, gkw: that tbpl error is because self-serve doesn't seem to recognise builds that were started manually, so cannot retrigger them
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# [19:45] <gkw> edmorley: i'll file a bug?
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# [19:46] <edmorley> gkw: I'm happy to have a search and file if I can't find anything :-)
# [19:46] <@ehsan> jdm: me
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# [19:46] <gkw> edmorley: pls feel free to do so, or just let me know if you'd like me to file
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# [19:49] <dholbert> dolske, cool -- I was hoping / assuming that's all it is. (short passwords being easy to brute-force)
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# [19:53] <gkw> I saw we retriggered from https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?noignore=1&jobname=valgrind&rev=08d435dedc7f
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# [20:01] <froydnj> khuey could learn a few tricks from jdm; apparently noboday wants to steal jdm's uuids
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# [20:06] <@bz> gah
# [20:06] <@bz> every time I start my debug build with NSPR logging
# [20:06] <@bz> I get a fatal assert
# [20:06] <@bz> what the fuck?
# [20:06] <@bz> Assertion failure: ok, at ../../../mozilla/xpcom/build/mozPoisonWriteMac.cpp:54
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# [20:06] <froydnj> bz: talk to espindola
# [20:06] <@bz> hrm
# [20:06] <@bz> this is a known issue???
# [20:07] <froydnj> well, espindola is the one who added the write poisoning
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# [20:07] <@bz> espindola: ping
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# [20:11] <gkw> edmorley: filing that bug about self serve not working with manually retriggered builds?
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# [20:15] <gwagner> bz: try MOZ_GCTIMER=stderr
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# [20:16] <@khuey> http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2012/09/25/internet-explorer-10-may-score-well-with-robohornet-but-it-s-even-better-for-web-browsing-in-the-real-world.aspx
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# [20:16] <Ms2ger> Bas, thanks
# [20:17] * @khuey is really amused by this
# [20:17] <Bas> Ms2ger: Yeah, must've slipped in there when I was recreating the patches and was hg adding stuff, must've added an overenthousiastic wildcard.
# [20:18] <Ms2ger> Bas, it happens :)
# [20:18] <froydnj> wildcard all the things!
# [20:19] <Bas> khuey: Interestingly, in those strangeloop tests they mention we were also almost 8 percent faster than Chrome. finished -just- after IE :)
# [20:19] <@bz> gwagner: er?
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# [20:19] <@bz> gwagner: why the GCTIMER thing?
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# [20:19] <Bas> khuey: To be fair, IE10 does seem to be really good :P
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# [20:19] <gwagner> bz: that resolved the issue for me.
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# [20:20] <@khuey> Bas: yeah IE is a decent browser these days
# [20:20] <@khuey> Bas: I'm more amused by the "lets coopt your benchmark and turn it against you" bit
# [20:20] <Bas> khuey: Yeah, it's well executed :)
# [20:20] <@bz> gwagner: huh. Will try that
# [20:21] <Bas> And it's nice to see someone call Google out in the open for a change.
# [20:21] <@bz> gwagner: indeed
# [20:21] <@bz> gwagner: what the hell?
# [20:21] <gwagner> bz: yeah we try to log the gc time
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# [20:21] <@bz> khuey: yeah, they're in a better position than us to say this benchmark sucks. ;)
# [20:21] <@bz> gwagner: er....
# [20:21] <@bz> gwagner: why?
# [20:22] <@bz> gwagner: I didn't ask for your module to be logged!
# [20:22] <@bz> gwagner: but it's not logging using NSPR logging anyway, right?
# [20:22] <Bas> bz: It's always preferrable to say a benchmark sucks when you actually beat the crap out of whoever made it on that benchmark :p
# [20:22] <@bz> Bas: indeed
# [20:22] <@bz> gwagner: so why is it relevant?
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# [20:23] <@smaug> (in this case the benchmark seems to suck exceptionally badly, at least in certain tests)
# [20:23] <bbondy> gavin: already landed in v16
# [20:23] <gwagner> bz: not my module :) it's on if you have gclogging enabled
# [20:23] <@bz> hmm
# [20:23] <@bz> which I might
# [20:23] <@bz> ok
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# [20:24] <@bz> so the crash was because...
# [20:24] <bbondy> gavin: re win8
# [20:24] <@bz> we shut down xpcom
# [20:24] <@bz> then we gc from there (context destruction)
# [20:24] <@bz> we call endSlice
# [20:24] <@bz> that lands us in DOMGCSliceCallback
# [20:25] <@bz> which tries to GetMainThread
# [20:25] <@bz> which attempts to warn
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# [20:25] <@bz> NS_ENSURE_TRUE(mMainThread, NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED);
# [20:25] <gwagner> bz: I guess it happens somewhere in Statistics::Statistics(JSRuntime *rt)
# [20:25] <@bz> And the warn attempt tries write
# [20:25] <@bz> and that hits the valid write thing
# [20:25] <@bz> what the hell is this valid write thing and why is it here?
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# [20:26] <froydnj> the write poisoning bits were added to make sure we don't try to write things after a point where we could safely shutdown
# [20:26] <@bz> oh, for crying out loud
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# [20:26] <froydnj> I don't think the idea of logging came up :(
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# [20:27] <gwagner> bz: I filed a bug about 1-2 months ago but I can't find it any more
# [20:27] <@bz> That's because you didn't make it block the regressing bug?
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# [20:29] <@bz> gwagner: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794178
# [20:29] <Waldo> khuey: that windowsteamblog post is lulzy
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# [20:30] <@smaug> bdahl: pong
# [20:31] <froydnj> hm, espindola is out this week
# [20:31] <bdahl> smaug: have you heard anything from zwol if he is going to work on 629500 anymore?
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# [20:31] <gwagner> bz: yeah I thought something in the JS engine regressed
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# [20:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5273d58d158 - Steve Fink - Bug 789295 - Make a BufferView superclass for ArrayBufferView types to enforce common slot numbers. r=billm
# [20:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/21c1b7080c53 - Steve Fink - Bug 762908 followup - only null out window.SpecialPowers when window exists. r=terrence
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# [20:32] <@smaug> bdahl: nope, though that bug is blocked by bug 693230
# [20:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9382a5a45acb - Steve Fink - Bug 789295 - Add special multi-view array buffer sweep pass to eliminate finalizers and thus allow background sweeping. r=billm
# [20:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9367895cc67f - Steve Fink - Bug 789295 - Reformat class method declarations to look like rest of spidermonkey. r=billm
# [20:33] <@khuey> Waldo: indeed
# [20:34] <bdahl> smaug: so if we did zwol's patches we'd have custom print dialogs on every platform?
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# [20:35] <bdahl> (which i guess we do have somewhat right now)
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# [20:36] <@smaug> bdahl: someone needs to fix bug 693230
# [20:36] <JonathanS> khuey http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A-Byte-of-Booleans.aspx lol
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# [20:37] <bdahl> smaug: yes, but i'm trying to understand why we want a custom dialog on every platform
# [20:38] <bdahl> smaug: why not have a general one based around print preview?
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# [20:39] <@smaug> bdahl: oh, to have the print dialog UI in the print preview?
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# [20:40] <bdahl> smaug: yes, similar to chrome...i thought you had mentioned that was the way you wanted to see thing go
# [20:40] <bdahl> i was just confused because zwol's patches seem to go the opposite direction of that
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# [20:41] <@smaug> well, I wish we opened a tab for print preview
# [20:41] <@smaug> (we do, but rest of the tabs are hidden)
# [20:41] <@smaug> I hadn't thought about print dialog itself
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# [20:51] <edmorley> gkw: sorry, was letting people in for the event in the community space here this evening
# [20:51] <edmorley> will file now
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# [20:57] <sicking> jduell: ping
# [20:58] <jduell> sicking: pong
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# [20:59] <sicking> jduell: are you taking care of the "clear appcache on clearprivatedata/appuninstall"? Including hooking it up with the notifications bent is adding in bug 784378?
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# [21:00] <mconnor> mounir: so, I largely think jduell's feedback is apt, and I definitely agree the semantic of the API is a little wrong (A or A+B only, but not B?)
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# [21:00] <jduell> I'm working on the uninstall version now, and will hook in the clearprivatedata too--thanks for bug ref
# [21:00] <jduell> sicking: ^^
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# [21:00] <mconnor> mounir: I'm not sure how much all of that feedback will alter the patch, so not sure if I should defer reviewing until after you've made those changes
# [21:00] <sicking> jduell: just do the private data one. We'll send out those notificatiosn on uninstall too
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# [21:01] <mounir> mconnor: there is no reason to delete all data except the one from a browser inside the app
# [21:01] <jduell> sicking: but they have different semantics--one deletes the app not just the mozbrowser data?
# [21:01] <gkw> \o/
# [21:02] <mounir> there is one case where you delete all data from the app
# [21:02] <mounir> one case where you delete all data from browsers inside the app
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# [21:02] <sicking> jduell: we're adding a notification which includes both an appid and a "browserdataonly" flag
# [21:02] <jduell> sicking: ah, ok
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# [21:02] <mounir> seeing this as a + is wrong
# [21:02] <mounir> a part is included in the other
# [21:02] <mconnor> mounir: the comment is on the get method
# [21:03] <mconnor> mounir: what if I want to enumerate through the cookies for the app?
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# [21:03] <jduell> mounir: mconnor: right, the way mounir has written it it's perfect for deleting/uninstall, but we may have other APIs that want just app enumerator
# [21:03] <mconnor> indeed
# [21:04] <jduell> and we're going to wind up not using the enum for deleting once we write the patch more efficiently
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# [21:05] <mounir> mconnor, jduell: I agree that could be changed later but for the moment, it does what we want it to do
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# [21:05] <mounir> we don't need anything else
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# [21:05] <mounir> and there are tests
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# [21:05] <mounir> so we can safely refactor later if we want to
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# [21:05] <jduell> mconnor: mounir it's true that we're in a hurry :)
# [21:06] <mounir> I really doubt we will ever need to get cookies from an app but not cookies from the browsers inside the app
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# [21:06] <jduell> oh, mounir: we don't usually put mochitests in /netwerk. I should ask biesi if that's ok
# [21:06] <mounir> but if we need, this isn't a web facing api, we can change it quite easily
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# [21:06] <biesi> ew, why do you need a mochitest?
# [21:06] <mounir> jduell: there was one already
# [21:07] <mounir> biesi: the code is run when you uninstall an app
# [21:07] <mounir> it's a mochitest-chrome
# [21:07] <mounir> because you need to uninstall the app
# [21:07] <jduell> mounir: you need the mochitest just because you can't simulate app uninstall in xpcshell, right?
# [21:07] <biesi> mounir, you can't uninstall an app from an xpctest?
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# [21:07] <biesi> why does necko code run on app uninstall?
# [21:07] <mounir> biesi: I doubt the appmanager and all that things are instatianted in xpcshell
# [21:07] <jduell> biesi: we need to delete the app's cookies
# [21:07] <biesi> and if it does, couldn't you just send the notification manually?
# [21:08] <mounir> biesi: sure, I could do that but that would be a bit weaker test IMO
# [21:08] <biesi> making sure that cookies are cleared on app uninstall seem more like an integration kind of test to me
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# [21:09] <biesi> shouldn't that be a test in the app manager that also tests that other things are cleared?
# [21:09] <biesi> combine with an xpctest in necko that does what I described
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# [21:09] <mounir> biesi: that would be testing twice the same thing
# [21:09] <biesi> no
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# [21:09] <biesi> one is a unit test, one is an integration test
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# [21:10] <mounir> I understand that
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# [21:10] <biesi> I really don't like mochitests
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# [21:10] <biesi> they are so hard to run
# [21:10] <mounir> but technically, if one fail, the other will fail, unless uninstalling an app doesn't send the notification anymore
# [21:10] <biesi> correct
# [21:10] <biesi> so you need that test
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# [21:10] <mounir> we have already a few tests assuming that
# [21:10] <biesi> fair enough
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# [21:11] <mounir> biesi: I can move that test out of netwerk/ if you really want to
# [21:11] <biesi> I'd rather you kept it there and made it an xpcshell test :p
# [21:11] <biesi> but either way
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# [21:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d82c59029dcb - Shane Caraveo - Bug 788589. Use information icon for logged out users and don't show generic buddy icon when logged in. r=felipe ui-r=Boriss
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# [21:12] <mounir> biesi: actually, can we create iframes in xpcshell tests?
# [21:12] <biesi> no
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# [21:12] <mounir> and... I can't create an app
# [21:12] <biesi> ...why do you need an iframe?!
# [21:12] <mounir> apps live in iframes
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# [21:12] <mounir> I can't create an app
# [21:12] <biesi> don't do iframe stuff in necko tests\
# [21:12] <mounir> there is a browser test in netwerk
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# [21:13] <biesi> that shouldn't be there either
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# [21:13] <mounir> I guess, if you don't like mochitests, you can't like browser tests ;)
# [21:13] <mounir> so, where should that go?
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# [21:13] <mounir> I have no idea where cookies tests live outside of netwerk
# [21:14] <Ms2ger> Meh
# [21:14] <biesi> wherever app manager tests live?
# [21:14] <Ms2ger> content/html/content/ :)
# [21:14] <biesi> I'd call this an app uninstall test more than a cookie test
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# [21:14] <mounir> biesi: it's a cookie service test
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# [21:14] <mounir> the code lives in cookie service
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# [21:14] <biesi> it tests app uninstall
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# [21:15] <biesi> rather, it tests that app uninstall has a certain effect
# [21:15] <mounir> the code is executed when an app is uninstalled
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# [21:15] <mounir> but I guess I will find another place
# [21:15] <mounir> no need to fight over that
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# [21:16] <biesi> thanks :)
# [21:16] <jduell> mounir: I'd be happier with this as an xpcshell test, but for now why don't you just move the mochitest elsewhere
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# [21:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/90dd2e82f891 - Chris Peterson - Bug 669361 - Ignore non-en_US HKB KeyEvents for Asus Transformer tablets running Honeycomb or ICS. r=blassey
# [21:17] <mounir> jduell: feel free to review this assuming the test lives elsewhere
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# [21:17] <mounir> it's just a matter of cp
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# [21:18] <jduell> mounir: I'll look it over. Not sure module owners will agree with "it's just cp" argument :)
# [21:18] <jduell> but
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# [21:18] <jduell> I need to dupe this code for appcache uninstall test anyway, so I should understand it
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# [21:26] <mconnor> mounir: so, the obvious use-case is "what cookies does this app itself use?" since that's a useful indicator of how using the app itself tracks you, vs. browsing inside of it. Is it a huge pain to just make it an int, and then we never have to debate fixing consumers... :)
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# [21:32] <jviereck> roc: hi, the draft for the mozPrintCallback proposal is "ready" to sendout, but I'm not sure if it's too long, what do you think? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/printCallbackSpec
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# [21:32] <jviereck> that's "Motivation And Use-Case", "Actual API", "Open Discussion" and "How The PrintCallback-API Solved The Problems For PDF.JS" covered in there
# [21:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f19c6f099227 - Fernando Rodríguez Sela - Bug 744700 - B2G 3G: Notify connection errors in the WebMobileConnection API (part 1), r=bent
# [21:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95354c5e25cc - Fernando Rodríguez Sela - Bug 744700 - B2G 3G: Notify connection errors in the WebMobileConnection API (part 2), r=philikon
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> jviereck, "Using a different way to render the pages than using canvas (e.g. SVG) is not possible."
# [21:34] <Ms2ger> jviereck, that needs a "because" ;)
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# [21:36] <jviereck> Ms2ger: is adding ", due to memory and performance issues." good enough?
# [21:36] <Ms2ger> jviereck, that's a bit vague ;)
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> jviereck, but it's better than nothing :)
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# [21:40] <@khuey> hmm
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# [21:41] <@khuey> any language lawyers around?
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# [21:41] <@khuey> if I have an enum in class A
# [21:41] <@khuey> is there some way to be able to refer to values in it in class B with out referring to them as A::Value?
# [21:41] <@khuey> via using or typedef or something?
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# [21:42] <froydnj> 'using class A'? that's just a guess, though
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# [21:43] <@bz> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12581641/mac-address-of-machine-from-non-ie-browsers is hilarious
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# [21:44] <jhammel> heh, i'm tempted to post a really bad solution ;)
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# [21:45] <@khuey> step 1: please purchase hemlock
# [21:45] <@khuey> step 2: please consume said hemlock
# [21:45] <@bz> I like how:
# [21:45] <@bz> 1) I have to do it
# [21:45] <@bz> 2) Java applet is too slow
# [21:45] <@bz> 3) No ActiveX
# [21:45] <@bz> 4) How else can I fuck the users?
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# [21:46] <jhammel> they can't help but fuck the users; their client requires it!
# [21:47] <jhammel> don't blame the executioner; all he does is shoot people
# [21:47] <@dolske> I'd make a browsermacid.org example site which quietly sets a random cookie, and provides code to make it look like the MAC is a special cookie thing.
# [21:47] <@dolske> most people wanting that probably wouldn't figure it out.
# [21:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c69df73929c - Antonio Manuel Amaya Calvo - Bug 773886: Prevent loading resources from app:// URIs from outside that app. r=sicking
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# [21:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/691976d47b57 - Sid Stamm - bug 768029 - Apply CSP Policy to trusted and certified apps. r=sicking. Parts by sicking, r=mounir.
# [21:48] <jhammel> just pop up a text input for the user to enter their mac address
# [21:48] <jhammel> problem solved!
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# [21:48] <JonathanS> jhammel, how does users know it? Does grandma can find it?
# [21:49] <@dolske> jhammel: it even satisfies #4!
# [21:49] <froydnj> jhammel: guessing the client might not be happy to find out all the users have MAC addresses of Ih:at:ey:ou:rw:eb:si:te
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# [21:49] <jhammel> well if they don't know they can just click [Ok] and it will be ignored ;)
# [21:49] <JonathanS> why client needs MAC addresses?
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# [21:50] <@dolske> oooh, I know, let's just put the MAC in teh UA header.
# [21:50] * @dolske starts a thread.
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# [21:50] <jhammel> dolske++
# [21:50] <seth> step 1: collect MAC addresses. step 2: ???. step 3: profit!
# [21:50] <@khuey> dolske++
# [21:50] <jhammel> let's just add the entire system to the UA header
# [21:50] <froydnj> dolske: satisfies #4!
# [21:51] <JonathanS> How about to give users to hide UA information?
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# [21:52] <jhammel> JonathanS: No! the Web is Meant to be Free and Open! we should encourage Users to share their Information by force of Violence!
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# [21:54] <JonathanS> jhammel, free from what?
# [21:54] <jhammel> i dunno....mosquitos?
# [21:54] <JonathanS> Are you trolling me?
# [21:55] <jhammel> ;)
# [21:55] <jhammel> wait a minute...i just advocated adding all system information to the UA header and you ask if i'm trolling? ;)
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# [21:55] <jhammel> similarly, i would like to put forth a serious proposal of replacing the Firefox JS engine with COBOL
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# [21:57] <capella> OH OH !!!!!! OH !!! I Can do COBOL !!!!!
# [21:57] * aja bikesheads FORTRAN
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# [21:57] <jhammel> capella: there is also a great web framework for it http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM
# [21:57] <capella> VSAM files, ISAM, RDWB words,
# [21:57] <capella> RDRW that is
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> LISP, dammit
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# [21:57] <seth> why would you ever need anything other than FORTH?
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# [21:58] <capella> DB/II would port nicely
# [21:58] <capella> Well, for the govt we need to use ADA
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# [22:38] <bdahl> smaug: ping (print cancel question)
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# [22:40] <@smaug> bdahl: pong
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# [22:42] <bdahl> smaug: as far as i can tell the printEngine never get's notified that the user hits cancel (it just checks the printSettings at various spots)
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# [22:43] <bdahl> i guess i can add an observer or something to print settings, but not all platforms use print settings e.g. osx
# [22:43] <bdahl> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=processCanceledByUser
# [22:44] <@smaug> bdahl: and we don't show any progress UI on OSX, right?
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# [22:44] <bdahl> smaug: correct
# [22:45] <Optimizer> no body feels like a need of #snappy ?
# [22:45] <froydnj> Optimizer: #perf is used for that
# [22:45] <@smaug> Optimizer: ? there is #perf
# [22:46] <Optimizer> oh
# [22:46] <@smaug> bdahl: tricky then, if there is no way to cancel printing on OSX
# [22:46] <@smaug> other than some awkward way to cancel the printing from the print list or something
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# [22:47] <bdahl> smaug: yeah, which makes me wonder if i should make nsPagePrintTimer re-runnable and have it check if things were cancelled or it could also check if a page took >10 seconds and maybe cancel it
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# [22:48] <@smaug> something like that
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# [22:49] <@smaug> bdahl: I wonder if we should dispatch some printcanceled or printerror event to window
# [22:49] <@smaug> right before afterprint
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# [22:49] <bdahl> if a page takes too long i can show the printing error dialog
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# [22:50] <bdahl> i'm not sure what a printing error event would help with
# [22:50] <@smaug> sure, but that is for user only
# [22:50] <@smaug> I was thinking that page should know if there was some error
# [22:50] <@smaug> like the timeout
# [22:50] <@smaug> page shouldn't probably know the reason for the error or cancel
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# [22:52] <bdahl> smaug: so you'd prefer the timer approach? or i could try to modify all the different platforms nsPrintProgress implementations to notify of a cancel
# [22:52] <bdahl> i guess the second approach still wouldn't help osx
# [22:52] <@smaug> bdahl: well, what else could we do than the timer approach
# [22:52] <@smaug> I mean for FF18
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# [22:53] <@smaug> cancel approach would be nice for non-OSX sure
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# [22:53] <bdahl> maybe someone who knows more than me could implement a printer progress dialog for osx
# [22:53] <bdahl> smaug: this is what got me thinking about why don't we have a unified print dialog/print preview/print progress for all platforms
# [22:54] <@smaug> there is like, hmm 8 work days before next merge
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# [22:54] <@smaug> bdahl: yes, it would be great to print dialog integrated to print preview and have that on all platforms
# [22:55] <@smaug> but on OSX we don't even have print preview
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# [22:55] <@smaug> bdahl: I think we need something simple for FF18
# [22:55] <@smaug> after that is done, better approaches can be implemented
# [22:55] <bdahl> yeah, definitely
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# [22:56] <@smaug> bdahl: hmm, how does pdfjs use the new callbacks on canvas elements?
# [22:57] <bdahl> https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/blob/master/web/viewer.js#L1566
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# [22:58] <@smaug> bdahl: that runs in web page context ?
# [22:58] <@smaug> it is not chrome js +
# [22:59] <@smaug> s/+/?/
# [22:59] <bdahl> correct
# [22:59] <bdahl> content permissions
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# [23:00] <@smaug> bdahl: I was just wondering if chrome code could set the callback
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# [23:01] <@smaug> since if, for FF18, we could make chrome js to set the callbacks, then we could perhaps make the callbacks chrome only for now
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# [23:21] <karl> glandium: the 0x00d56d2b in ?? () lines in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794174#c0 look odd
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# [23:22] <karl> even if there is no debuginfo, gdb should know the library names
# [23:22] <karl> usually i see that kind of thing when the library has been unloaded
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# [23:23] <glandium> karl: the likely problem is system libraries don't have frame pointer, and gdb can't unwind without debuginfo
# [23:23] <karl> hard to explain the read system call from an unloaded library, unless unloaded from another thread
# [23:23] <karl> ah, yes, this is 32-bit
# [23:24] <@smaug> mw22: hey, are you back doing old style testing ?
# [23:24] <@smaug> mw22: if so, great :)
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# [23:25] <mw22> smaug, hi, I'm afraid not. but so now and then I'm doing some fuzzing
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# [23:27] <mw22> I need to rewrite my fuzzer anyway, the enableprivilege is going away
# [23:27] <@smaug> ah, right
# [23:28] <@smaug> mw22: anyhow, thanks for doing testing
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# [23:28] <mw22> np, I love that kind of testing
# [23:29] <@smaug> IIRC someone said during DOM-workweek that we need more testers like mw22 :)
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# [23:30] <@smaug> (meaning, people who write crazy tests )
# [23:30] <mw22> heh, thanks!
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# [23:33] <jcranmer> hmm
# [23:33] <jcranmer> any bugzilla-ish admins?
# [23:34] <jcranmer> I need one for bug 792292
# [23:34] <@khuey> what powers are you looking for?
# [23:34] <karl> where should i file a bug about logs reporting "results: success (0)" even though there is PROCESS-CRASH in the summary?
# [23:34] <froydnj> special powers
# [23:34] <@khuey> I hear there's an extension for that
# [23:34] <jcranmer> khuey: the OP keeps reopening a bug about extensions not working
# [23:34] <@khuey> ah
# [23:34] <@khuey> can't help you there
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# [23:35] <jcranmer> I think gerv is the proper person to escalate to, but I don't know
# [23:35] <@gavin> just let it sit
# [23:35] <jcranmer> er, s/I don't know/I don't see him/
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# [23:39] <jcranmer> heh, on the browserhornet microbenchmark suite, someone posted a score the one of the N 64-bit FF clones
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# [23:39] <jcranmer> turns out it's slower than 32-bit FF on Windows
# [23:40] <jlebar> bholley++ for your long commit messages.
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# [23:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9f40f834e8d - Alexandre Poirot - Bug 787313 - Add `/attach-console` argument on Windows in order to attach Firefox std IO to parent console. r=ted
# [23:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bbbd07f4cadc - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
# [23:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/59a16157483a - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 794101 - Update pdf.js to version 0.5.184. r=Mossop
# [23:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a1e7318fabc5 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge the last PGO-green inbound changeset to m-c.
# [23:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa3266ba9cab - John Hopkins - Bug 793016 - Very frequent hangs during leak tests on new linux build system. r=ted,catlee
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# [23:53] <sicking> mounir: are you crazy enough to be awake?
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# [23:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5839bb1b2297 - Scott Johnson - Bug 794231: Modify consecutive-inline font inflation reftests to specify an explicit font size for container. [r=NPOTB]
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