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  1. # Session Start: Sat Nov 10 10:31:30 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #developers
  3. # [10:31] * Now talking in #developers
  4. # [10:31] * Topic is 'Please avoid using NSPR types! || Next merge: 19th Nov || New? Want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , http://logbot.glob.com.au'
  5. # [10:31] * Set by edmorley on Tue Oct 30 16:44:42
  6. # [10:31] <KWierso|Home> TheOne: might be worth pinging whoever is listed as the "on call" person in #it, instead of just leaving a question in there at this hour in the americas :)
  7. # [10:32] <tbsaunde> TheOne: I'm not convinced that's true
  8. # [10:32] <KWierso|Home> speaking of "this hour in the americas"... naptime.
  9. # [10:32] <KWierso|Home> :P
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  18. # [10:44] <TheOne> KWierso|Home: I am. I've been ircop for several years
  19. # [10:44] <reed> TheOne: what's your issue?
  20. # [10:45] <reed> SSL is port 6697 here
  21. # [10:45] <reed> and it definitely works ;)
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  24. # [10:47] <reed> considering there are 225 people currently connected to gravel on port 6697
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  50. # [11:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f00ea0cb7b50 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 809751 - presentational table related elements referred or having global ARIA attributes must be accessible, r=tbsaunde
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  81. # [12:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/eed735ae1f1e - ffxbld - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host bld-centos5-32-vmw-003 - a=blocklist-update
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  95. # [12:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a81e93520c49 - Trevor Saunders - bug 808229 - rm a11yGeneric.h r=surkov
  96. # [12:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77fa19b95a71 - Trevor Saunders - bug 808229 - remove unused NS_ENSURE_ macro and associated success error code r=surkov
  97. # [12:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/999673b552f4 - Trevor Saunders - bug 808229 - inline the one use of the 2 arg runnable r=surkov
  98. # [12:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/90f23642624f - Trevor Saunders - bug 808229 - remove the pointless use of the one remaining macro r=surkov
  99. # [12:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/508f6cb9eaa8 - Trevor Saunders - bug 808229 - remove unused runnable macros r=surkov
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  118. # [13:11] <@smaug> glandium: curious, what are the plans to actually utilize the fewer-static-initializers
  119. # [13:12] <@smaug> or does it already help with startup
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  211. # [16:15] <firebot> Check-in:
  212. # [16:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cfe771ad41d4 - Robert Longson - Bug 779971 - Make nsSVGTextPathProperty::DoUpdate trigger nsSVGTextFrame::NotifyGlyphMetricsChange() off an asynchronous change hint (to avoid calling
  213. # [16:15] <firebot> nsLayoutUtils::FrameNeedsReflow synchronously under nsISVGChildFrame::ReflowSVG or during frame teardown, and avoid infinite loops caused by using an event queue event). r=jwatt a=lsblakk
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  225. # [16:27] <WeirdAl> What's the story with bug 660660? No changes in over a year.
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  228. # [16:28] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, been busy, and I need to think a bit about which way we want to go with it
  229. # [16:29] <WeirdAl> hm - well, it's also missing from the DOM4 specs, including your parse/serialize spec
  230. # [16:29] <WeirdAl> (CDATASection)
  231. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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  233. # [16:30] <Ms2ger> I still want to kill it, but I've been working on other stuff
  234. # [16:31] <WeirdAl> hmmm
  235. # [16:32] <WeirdAl> well, I've been working on my custom DOM code, and I just succeeded in getting it to parse source into the custom DOM, using SAX
  236. # [16:32] <WeirdAl> using the seven node types in DOM4
  237. # [16:33] <WeirdAl> getting ready to move into matching snippets of source code to nodes and implementing serialization - but CDATA throws a wrinkle into this as you might imagine
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  239. # [16:34] <WeirdAl> (other wrinkles like entity references I still have to work out)
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  243. # [16:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/823b82e784f5 - Patrick McManus - bug 810152 - 0 len no fin spdy data frames r=honzab
  244. # [16:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c28e2bf7d490 - Patrick McManus - bug 809909 - spdy/3 goaway frame missing status code bytes r=honzab
  245. # [16:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef2d01934bae - Patrick McManus - bug 809913 spdy post hang with mod_spdy r=honzab
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  250. # [16:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5054c2552a30 - Matt Joras - Bug 798033 - Removes 'using namespace' from dom headers - r=khuey
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  264. # [17:10] <RyanVM> hooboy, can't wait for the hatemail for what I'm doing right now
  265. # [17:10] <RyanVM> clearing out my request queue
  266. # [17:10] <RyanVM> (I figure that if a test hasn't been made for bugs fixed by the reflow branch by now, it probably never will be)
  267. # [17:11] <RyanVM> bjacob: inbound red
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  269. # [17:12] <RyanVM> bjacob: is this a needs-clobber?
  270. # [17:13] <RyanVM> bjacob: though it appears the Try runs never tested b2g
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  281. # [17:26] <bjacob> RyanVM: need to backout 5054c2552a30
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  284. # [17:26] <bjacob> RyanVM: doing it or should i?
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  289. # [17:33] <RyanVM> busy atm
  290. # [17:33] <RyanVM> please do
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  310. # [17:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/91480ec2061e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 5054c2552a30 (bug 798033) for b2g bustage.
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  316. # [17:57] <robcee> something funky landed in the last couple of days. Getting some funny blackbox drawing errors while scrolling xul elements in OS X.
  317. # [17:57] <robcee> visible on the tabstrip if you scroll fast
  318. # [17:57] <robcee> also saw it in a listbox
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  328. # [18:06] <RyanVM> robcee: there's a couple bugs on file for that
  329. # [18:06] <robcee> was hoping there might be
  330. # [18:06] <robcee> all I wanted to know :)
  331. # [18:07] <RyanVM> robcee: regressed by bug 801918
  332. # [18:07] <Ms2ger> chiiph, presshell->GetDocument()->something, I think
  333. # [18:07] <robcee> RyanVM: thanks!
  334. # [18:08] <RyanVM> i suppose I should back that out
  335. # [18:08] <robcee> maybe
  336. # [18:08] <robcee> jeff's last comment said it should be backed-out and then nothing happened
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  338. # [18:09] <chiiph> Ms2ger: yeah, I think it's GetBaseTarget, thanks!
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  341. # [18:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2804a15008b2 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset b5c86318a3ee (bug 801918) for various regressions.
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  344. # [18:11] <RyanVM> robcee: funny because it was his patch :P
  345. # [18:11] <robcee> yeah
  346. # [18:11] <robcee> "funny"
  347. # [18:12] <robcee> want me to drive to his house?
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  357. # [18:33] <bjacob> RyanVM: oops, sorry forgot. doing now
  358. # [18:33] <bjacob> RyanVM: ah, thanks for doing it already
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  403. # [19:23] <jlebar> RyanVM: I don't see Windows debug Marionette tests running on m-i or m-c. Does that mean I'm clear to land despite Windows debug Mn failures on try?
  404. # [19:24] <RyanVM> yes
  405. # [19:24] <jlebar> RyanVM: Okay, thanks.
  406. # [19:24] <RyanVM> windows Mn is currently busted
  407. # [19:24] * jlebar is pretty sure this push will be green.
  408. # [19:24] <jlebar> RyanVM: Can we hide it on tryserver?
  409. # [19:24] * jlebar does not know how hiding tests works; only knows it's something philor|away gleefully complains about. :)
  410. # [19:25] <RyanVM> i'm hesitant to hide it only because i don't know who decided it should be visible in the first place
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  413. # [19:25] <RyanVM> i'll change the top message, though
  414. # [19:25] <jlebar> RyanVM++
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  432. # [19:41] <@dbaron> RyanVM, what's with all the removing of in-testsuite? flags?
  433. # [19:42] <RyanVM> i decided that 6 years of cluttering my request queue was long enough
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  435. # [19:43] <philor> I think I made that call at about 4 years
  436. # [19:43] <RyanVM> dbaron: sorry i couldn't do so in a less spammy way
  437. # [19:44] <RyanVM> philor: in that case, there's more to do! :)
  438. # [19:44] <@dbaron> RyanVM, Hmmm.... it seemed like potentially useful data.
  439. # [19:44] <@dbaron> RyanVM, I guess it's too bad it had to clutter your request queue.
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  441. # [19:45] <philor> there is indeed more to do - someone needs to gather up consensus on turning it into a non-request, and then push for getting them changed
  442. # [19:45] <RyanVM> dbaron, most of them hadn't been touched since 2007
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  444. # [19:45] <philor> once I learned that nobody would *ever* do anything about them, I stopped ever requesting it
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  446. # [19:46] <RyanVM> my success rate with setting it when i merge is very low
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  451. # [19:53] <RyanVM> philor: I mean, I do see qa use it from time to time, but mainly when it's set to +
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  466. # [20:02] <RyanVM> ok, done clearing the ancient ones
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  480. # [20:14] <philor> heh. mostly talking on IRC when nobody else is talking, combined with a connection that leaves me disconnected but not knowing it yet for up to 10 minutes, results in me talking to myself even more than I realize
  481. # [20:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a9b363596cf - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 782311; put back D3D10_RESOURCE_MISC_GDI_COMPATIBLE. r=Bas
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  486. # [20:26] <RyanVM> philor: I take it you didn't see my last message to you then
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  488. # [20:26] <philor> RyanVM: I did, according to logbot, who was also the one who told me I was talking to myself :)
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  491. # [20:27] <RyanVM> he
  492. # [20:28] <philor> I went on for a while about how it can be useful when you're requesting approval-aurora, and a ? might be useful for stopping someone else's request, before I went off on blocklist updates, and then circled back to how we were going to put a ? on every FIXED and testable toolkit bug and then write tests for all of them, between 2006-11-6 and 2007-3-1
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  497. # [20:29] <RyanVM> yeah
  498. # [20:29] <RyanVM> i remember back when there was a more concerted effort to write tests when fixing bugs where possible
  499. # [20:30] <RyanVM> some are still good about it
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  501. # [20:30] <RyanVM> some, not so much
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  503. # [20:31] <philor> and telling the difference between "I spent three hours looking at how a test could be written for this, and trying several things, and I think it can't be reliably tested" and "tests are a pain, let's see if I can get away with not writing one" is not so very easy
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  507. # [20:35] <RyanVM> in a perfect world, that would fall on the reviewer to decide
  508. # [20:35] <Ms2ger> B-b-b-but deadlines!
  509. # [20:36] <RyanVM> my favorite is when an in-testsuite? bug regresses
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  512. # [20:38] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: perfectionist ;p
  513. # [20:38] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, sorry?
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  517. # [20:40] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: making fun of you for wanting tests for everything
  518. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, I've seen some regressions in my time :)
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  545. # [21:05] <RyanVM> philor|away: can you please ping me before you push the blocklist updates?
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  569. # [21:23] <@bz> Anyone here understand why https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/af39b94c-92e8-4616-8273-2cab52121110 shows vector deleting destructor in some cases and scalar deleting destructor in others?
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  583. # [21:34] <Ms2ger> khuey|away, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/bindings/parser/UPSTREAM seems unlikely to still be relevant
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  587. # [21:38] <mjrosenb> hey, I just mashed my hands on the keyboard, and firefox prompted me with a little search bar, and I think it sead search(links only)
  588. # [21:38] <mjrosenb> but it went away very quickly
  589. # [21:38] <mjrosenb> does this feature actually exist, and if so, what on earth did I just mash to get that?
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  591. # [21:40] <@bz> mjrosenb: yes, and you get it by hitting the single-quote key
  592. # [21:40] <@bz> mjrosenb: while a web page is focused
  593. # [21:40] <Ms2ger> Whoa
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  595. # [21:40] <Ms2ger> ^ That man knows stuff
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  597. # [21:40] * @bz uses fayt a lot. ;)
  598. # [21:41] <@bz> ok
  599. # [21:41] <@bz> gotta go board
  600. # [21:41] <mjrosenb> fayt?
  601. # [21:41] <@bz> Find as you type
  602. # [21:41] <@bz> You can get that with '/'
  603. # [21:41] <mjrosenb> ahh.
  604. # [21:41] <Ms2ger> bz, see you, have a safe flight
  605. # [21:41] <@bz> or by turning it on in preferences > advanced > general
  606. # [21:41] <@bz> OK
  607. # [21:42] <@bz> if someone thinks of why this destructor is being silly, please comment in bug!
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  615. # [21:49] <@smaug> Ms2ger: AryehGregor answered
  616. # [21:49] <@smaug> I guessed right
  617. # [21:50] <@smaug> adding .json files to under /failures means that we're regressing something
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  619. # [21:50] <Ms2ger> Or that the tests are improving ;)
  620. # [21:52] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I mean in case when we're not adding any tests
  621. # [21:52] <Ms2ger> True
  622. # [21:52] <@smaug> so at least it is suspicious to add .json to failures
  623. # [21:52] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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  651. # [22:30] <chiiph> is there a way to get mxr offline? or something similar?
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  654. # [22:32] <AutomatedTester> chiiph: install ack-grep? other than that no idea
  655. # [22:33] <philor> I installed mxr locally once, when mxr.m.o was being particularly bad, it only took me a couple of days to get it not quite working right
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  663. # [22:47] <philor> RyanVM: about to start pushing
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  669. # [22:51] <RyanVM> hang on
  670. # [22:51] <philor> oh, look at dbaron, getting a linux32 dromaeojs green on his first try
  671. # [22:52] <RyanVM> i know, right?
  672. # [22:52] <RyanVM> i lolled too
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  674. # [22:54] <RyanVM> ok, push away (though you'll need to pull m-c)
  675. # [22:54] <RyanVM> thanks
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  677. # [22:55] <philor> np
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  681. # [22:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cf7575ceef5a - philringnalda@gmail.com - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host slice - a=blocklist-update
  682. # [22:57] <philor> oops, tacky of me to leave the -a in for m-c
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  686. # [23:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1c6faa70f2cc - Victor Porof - Bug 808786 - Add a pref to disable sorting the variables when adding them in the view, r=past
  687. # [23:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1f5b1a3d50d1 - Victor Porof - Bug 808691 - The remote and chrome debugger windows should remember their size across sessions, r=past
  688. # [23:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf7575ceef5a - philringnalda@gmail.com - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host slice - a=blocklist-update
  689. # [23:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8dab31701ed1 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge fx-team to m-c.
  690. # [23:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/805eb52e8508 - Victor Porof - Bug 808988 - The stackframes and breakpoints containers should have a min and max height, r=past
  691. # [23:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e32f45ff7e7 - Victor Porof - Bug 809002 - Stick the variables view exported symbols on 'this', r=past
  692. # [23:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a4944989068 - Victor Porof - Bug 809392 - The remote and chrome debugger windows don't have a title, r=past
  693. # [23:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ab2c2caccaeb - Victor Porof - Bug 808980 - Clicking on the empty area of the stack list produces error message: item is null, r=past
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  700. # [23:18] <philor> heh. I pushed to aurora at 13:59:09, and it still hasn't spun up an ec2 slave to take the linux32 debug build; I pushed to esr10 at 14:01:12, and the linux64 debug build has already uploaded and started running tests
  701. # [23:20] <philor> oh, it did start one, but not until 14:16
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  705. # [23:28] <RyanVM> philor: were you going to push to beta?
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  707. # [23:28] <philor> RyanVM: didn't beta get an automatic update?
  708. # [23:29] <RyanVM> ah, yes
  709. # [23:29] <philor> beta and my new favorite, esr17
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  711. # [23:30] <RyanVM> why exactly do we already have an esr17 branch?
  712. # [23:30] <RyanVM> also, mmm, reproducible trunk crash printing from gmail
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  715. # [23:32] <philor> esr17.0 releases with 17.0, while esr10 keeps releasing until, um, esr17.0.2 I think
  716. # [23:33] <RyanVM> i meant mainly why does it exist prior to 17's release?
  717. # [23:33] <philor> oh, because releng likes to be ready, rather than to do things in a panic on release days
  718. # [23:33] <RyanVM> and yeah, I believe the overlap between esrs is 2 months
  719. # [23:33] <RyanVM> pfft, overrated
  720. # [23:34] <RyanVM> so basically it's just auto-mirroring beta right now?
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  722. # [23:34] <philor> not even auto, since rail's pushing manually
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  724. # [23:36] <philor> there's nothing interesting about code on it, what's interesting is all buildbot and AUS, but since the releases go to build the Friday before the merge day, they have to release off it in 6 days, so it's not exactly what I'd call premature
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  726. # [23:38] <philor> gah, I can't remember how to persuade esr10 to build with gcc instead of clang, silly thing can just stay permaorange
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  732. # [23:51] <rnewman> philor: it's not like we support it or anything
  733. # [23:52] <philor> esr10? we support it when it's easy to do
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  735. # [23:54] <philor> hmm, I need to push a patch that I wrote last March, but I don't remember what repo it is
  736. # [23:54] <Ms2ger> Presumably mozilla-1.9.2
  737. # [23:54] <philor> no, must be build/something
  738. # [23:55] <philor> bin/try_mailer.py, where are you?
  739. # [23:56] <philor> buildbotcustom, would have been about my last guess
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