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141. # [04:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/322311084df9 - Wes Kocher - No bug - Update revision of jetpack code used in Firefox's test suite to pick up a test fix. r=kwierso
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143. # [04:13] <qheaden> Unfocused: ping
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146. # [04:14] <Unfocused> qheaden: hey! :)
147. # [04:14] <Unfocused> fair warning: i gotta head out soon for a physio appointment
148. # [04:15] <qheaden> Unfocused: Hey there! Okay, no problem. Just one quick question.
149. # [04:15] <qheaden> Unfocused: Where should I fire the onExternallInstall event? I know that the event needs to be fired, and what order the install/uninstall events need to be fired, but I'm still a bit puzzled on where.
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152. # [04:17] * Unfocused looks at the code again
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155. # [04:18] <qheaden> Do I have to register SearchEngineService as a listener to be notified of an attempted install?
156. # [04:18] <qheaden> Sorry, SearchAddonProvider. :)
157. # [04:21] <qheaden> Hmm, I think I see what I have to do. I need to register SearchEngineProvider as an InstallListener, and when the onExternalInstall method is called, I need to check the type of the addon (making sure it is a search engine), and fire the other events.
158. # [04:21] <Unfocused> ugh, brain is slow today
159. # [04:22] <Unfocused> no, SearchEngineProvider is the one that fires the event
160. # [04:22] <Unfocused> listen for the SEARCH_ENGINE_ADDED event coming from nsSearchService
161. # [04:22] <qheaden> Ahh okay. That should work.
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163. # [04:23] <Unfocused> should be good enough to just fire all 3 events one directly after the other, at least to start with
164. # [04:24] <qheaden> Okay.
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167. # [04:25] <Unfocused> btw, updates will involve the same events - the difference being you pass the old engine object to one of the events (onExternalInstall, i think)
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169. # [04:26] <qheaden> I just noticed the existingAddon parameter on onExternalInstall.
170. # [04:26] <qheaden> Just a quick question, what effect does calling those events actually have? They register addons with the entire system?
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173. # [04:31] <Unfocused> no, the rest of the addons manager backend doesn't really care about the events. they're sent to anything that's registered as a listener - which is mainly about:addons, so it updates the UI as things happen
174. # [04:32] <njn> Unfocused: I worked out why Chatzilla and TreeStyleTab aren't working: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810059#c1
175. # [04:32] <Unfocused> eep, i gotta run before i'm late. bbl!
176. # [04:32] <Unfocused> njn: will read when i get back :)
177. # [04:32] <njn> Unfocused: np
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193. # [05:19] <Callek> gavin++
194. # [05:19] <Callek> for a c#140 in a sekret bug
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298. # [08:17] <glazou> bonjour
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303. # [08:21] <nigelb> Morning glazou
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305. # [08:25] <glazou> brrr freezing cold here this morning
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308. # [08:26] * glob eyeballs his sunny blue skys, 30 degrees C
309. # [08:27] <glazou> d'oh
310. # [08:27] <glazou> where are you based?
311. # [08:27] <glob> glazou, australia
312. # [08:27] <nigelb> It's a nice sunny 21 C out in Bangalore :)
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314. # [08:28] <nigelb> glob: To be fair, you're like three quarters of a mile away from the sun.
315. # [08:28] <glob> nigelb, lol
316. # [08:28] <glazou> I hate you, guys.. :-)
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318. # [08:28] <nigelb> You should alternate between the australian and paris office.
319. # [08:29] <nigelb> Forever summer!
320. # [08:29] <glazou> I'm not employed by mozilla
321. # [08:29] <glob> "australian office" :D
322. # [08:29] <nigelb> Ah
323. # [08:29] <Callek> glazou: you still can alternate between offices
324. # [08:29] <nigelb> By australian office, I of course mean, glob's veranda ;)
325. # [08:29] <Callek> glazou: we do have a pretty general open-door-policy
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327. # [08:30] <Callek> and glob's veranda I hear is quite welcoming, he'll even cook your food and do your laundry
328. # [08:30] <glob> nigelb, well, i do have power, a fridge and a bbq out there..
329. # [08:30] <nigelb> bbq!
330. # [08:30] <Callek> glob: wifi + power and maybe some alchohol is all we mozillians need :-)
331. # [08:31] <Callek> food and clean clothes is beneficial, followed closely by a bed
332. # [08:31] <glob> Callek, well, there is wifi, and the fridge is full of beer..
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334. # [08:31] <Callek> glob: sounds like a good office to me :-)
335. # [08:31] <Callek> s/good/mozilla/
336. # [08:31] <glazou> Callek: seems cool but I also need my kids and my gf :-D
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338. # [08:31] <glob> Callek, indeed. i should work outside more often :)
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340. # [08:32] <Callek> glazou: well if you can coerce them to do Mozilla-Based work, at least anyone over the age of 12, then glob will cook for them and do their laundry too
341. # [08:32] <Callek> and try to keep childlike crying down. [and you should tell your children that too]
342. # [08:33] <Callek> :-)
343. # [08:33] * Callek decides to give up on the joke
344. # [08:33] * glazou thinks Callek is looking for an entry in the mozilla irc qdb :-D
345. # [08:33] <Callek> actually I don't look for qdb entries anymore
346. # [08:33] <Callek> I'm in there far too much as it is
347. # [08:33] <Callek> (~9 years in the project will do that)
348. # [08:34] <nigelb> I've only been around for 1.5 years and I'm in plenty :)
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350. # [08:36] <glazou> Callek: 12 years and I'm not there too much ; that's cool to be here when the qdb zealots are sleeping :-D
351. # [08:36] <Callek> "My life for Aiur"
352. # [08:36] <Callek> ugh sorry, what?
353. # [08:36] <nigelb> glob: I can fix that.
354. # [08:36] <nigelb> err
355. # [08:36] <nigelb> glazou: ^^^
356. # [08:36] <nigelb> :D
357. # [08:37] <glandium> speaking of the qdb, it's very slow today
358. # [08:37] <glazou> why is my hg pull so long
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360. # [08:38] <Callek> glandium: its been very slow the last 2-3 weeks for me
361. # [08:38] <nigelb> ah, I thought my internet was being slow.
362. # [08:38] <Callek> glazou: how long has it been since you pulled, and what tree?
363. # [08:38] <glazou> nm, it just woke up, apparently a local network hickup
364. # [08:38] <glazou> and it's mc
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366. # [08:38] <Callek> glazou: ok yea, local network hiccup would do i
367. # [08:40] <glandium> http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/6644 looks like we have something to make buildbots faster /o\
368. # [08:42] <baku> b2g audio conference: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/audio-bug80533
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428. # [10:20] <glazou> why is MOZ_APP_STATIC_INI totally undocumented...
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440. # [10:32] <glandium> glazou: oversight
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444. # [10:39] <glandium> glazou: although i'm not even sure where you'd expect that to be documented...
445. # [10:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1651fc592d90 - Ed Morley - Bug 808545 - Tweak the exception message for runxpcshelltests.py profile cleanup failures; r=gps a=test-only
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456. # [10:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/9cfebbf2973a - Ed Morley - Bug 808419 - remoteautomation.py's waitForFinish() should print to the log when maxTime is reached; r=jmaher a=test-only
457. # [10:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8b5a77ed01e8 - Ed Morley - Bug 808417 - remotereftest.py should print the actual exception if one occurred runTests(); r=jmaher a=test-only
458. # [10:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f49b7d8ed734 - Ed Morley - Bug 808417 - Make runTests() exception reporting consistent across test harnesses; r=jmaher a=test-only
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470. # [11:04] <glazou> glandium: anything specified in confvars.sh should be documented ; why it exists and what it does
471. # [11:05] <glandium> glazou: i doubt be have such documentation for most of the things that are in browser/confvars.sh
472. # [11:06] <glazou> I'm not even sure the build ends if that var is not set
473. # [11:06] <glandium> s/be/we/
474. # [11:06] <glandium> glazou: it's supposed to build with or without
475. # [11:06] <glandium> glazou: if it doesn't, it's a bug
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477. # [11:06] <glazou> because then application.ini.h is not created and then the #include in nsBrowser.app will fail
478. # [11:06] <glandium> (and afaik, it does)
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480. # [11:07] <glandium> glazou: well, if you blindly copy nsBrowserApp.cpp...
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483. # [11:07] <glazou> I am not
484. # [11:07] <glazou> (copying)
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486. # [11:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dbf9eb83be72 - Jacek Caban - Bug 810240 - xpcom/ds/nsObserverService.cpp fails to link on mingw r=glandium
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488. # [11:08] <glandium> glazou: then i don't know what you're talking about
489. # [11:08] <glandium> glazou: are you talking about firefox or bluegriffon?
490. # [11:09] <glazou> firefox
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492. # [11:09] <glazou> see top of nsBrowser.app
493. # [11:09] <glandium> glazou: then for firefox, MOZ_APP_STATIC_INI is always defined
494. # [11:10] <glazou> that's exactly my point, you assume 3rd-party app authors know that
495. # [11:10] <glazou> the #include "application.ini.h" should be inside #ifdef MOZ_APP_STATIC_INI
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497. # [11:10] <glandium> 3rd-party app authors shouldn't be using firefox's nsBrowserApp.cpp
498. # [11:11] <glazou> they're not "using" it, they follow its changes over time and adapt
499. # [11:11] <glandium> glazou: then we're back to the blind copy...
500. # [11:11] <glandium> are you going to copy the metro changes, too?
501. # [11:12] <glazou> not really
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503. # [11:12] <glazou> let's take it differently: if i only update my tree w/o looking at that, my bluegriffon build fails
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505. # [11:12] <glazou> because from time to time there are impacting changes
506. # [11:13] <glazou> or the build goes ok but the app crashes
507. # [11:13] <glandium> glazou: why are you building browser/app/nsBrowserApp.cpp?
508. # [11:13] <glazou> grrr
509. # [11:13] <glazou> I DO NOT
510. # [11:13] <glazou> it does not prevent me from looking at that code to understand it
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513. # [11:17] <glandium> glazou: you should probably look at the corresponding file in the xulrunner tree
514. # [11:17] <glandium> instead
515. # [11:17] <glandium> that being said, we could also build application.ini.h unconditionally
516. # [11:17] <glazou> absolutely
517. # [11:18] <glandium> feel free to file a build config bug
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519. # [11:20] <glazou> k
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550. # [12:08] <minus54> I posted a requeste about a rendering issue in #gfx channel. Thx
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579. # [12:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/5c9450a082aa - Grant Gayed - Bug 806821 - GCLI should ensure that 'string' command return types are treated as plaintext; r=jwalker, a=lsblakk
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584. # [13:08] <Yoric> !seen mak
585. # [13:08] <firebot> mak was last seen 3 days, 16 hours, 41 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying 'dolske: I'm not sure if I should be scared or flattered' in #fx-team.
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594. # [13:27] <NeilAway> hmm, MOZILLA_INTERNAL_API and LIBXUL_LIBRARY have meant the same thing since Gecko 5
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602. # [13:45] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping
603. # [13:47] <Yoric> Does anyone know wth windows.tabs.storage is in sessionstore.js?
604. # [13:47] <ttaubert> Yoric: hi
605. # [13:47] <Yoric> hi
606. # [13:47] <Yoric> How was the work week?
607. # [13:48] <ttaubert> Yoric: wasn't there :( everything was overbooked
608. # [13:48] <Yoric> ok
609. # [13:48] <Yoric> In that case, you might be fresh enough to answer my questions :)
610. # [13:48] <ttaubert> hope so
611. # [13:48] <Yoric> How familiar are you with the contents of sessionstore.js?
612. # [13:49] <ttaubert> I should be a good fit I guess
613. # [13:49] <Yoric> I have been asked to take a look at the design of the file and see if/how we could improve performance by changing the actual file.
614. # [13:49] <Yoric> Ok, so let's start with the above question: what is windows.tabs.storage in sessionstore.js?
615. # [13:52] <ttaubert> Yoric: mom tel
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623. # [13:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e960dece2a23 - Joel Maher - Bug 737961 - add reftest manifest conditions for height width. r=dbaron
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634. # [14:08] <Yoric> gps: How often do you use nsISessionStore.getBrowserState() and could I convince you to use something else if we alter the API?
635. # [14:09] <ttaubert> Yoric: tabs.storage is the DOMSessionStorage data
636. # [14:10] <Yoric> ttaubert: Mmmhh... ok.
637. # [14:11] <Yoric> That seems to take lots of space in my sessionstorage.js
638. # [14:11] <ttaubert> Yoric: yes it does
639. # [14:12] <ttaubert> Yoric: there is a bug for storing this data asynchronously
640. # [14:12] <ttaubert> and in separate files
641. # [14:12] <ttaubert> because especially google stores lots of HTML in there, all escaped
642. # [14:13] <ttaubert> Yoric: bug 669603
643. # [14:13] <Yoric> I am currently putting together a very early draft of redesign for sessionstore.js
644. # [14:13] <Yoric> Do you mind if I run this through you?
645. # [14:13] <ttaubert> Yoric: please do. I'd really like to see that
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647. # [14:15] <jdm> woah
648. # [14:15] <jdm> I got try results for every platform in about an hour
649. # [14:15] <jdm> I should work from europe more often
650. # [14:17] <ttaubert> that's the little tricks we use
651. # [14:19] * Yoric enjoys considerably debugging-through-try-server.
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653. # [14:19] <Yoric> Right now, I am attempting to fix an issue in which JavaScript code manages to kill Visual C++ PGO.
654. # [14:20] <ttaubert> Yoric: still the session store writing bug?
655. # [14:20] <Yoric> Indeed.
656. # [14:20] <ttaubert> isn't it exciting that you get to read so much other code? :)
657. # [14:21] <Yoric> Well, right now, the bug is very obviously in code that isn't open-source.
658. # [14:21] <Yoric> VC++ has an Access Violation.
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660. # [14:22] <@smaug> hsivonen: ping
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662. # [14:22] <@smaug> hsivonen: can you explain the default: case
663. # [14:22] <@smaug> hsivonen: Bug 809956
664. # [14:22] <ttaubert> Yoric: meh. VC.
665. # [14:23] <Yoric> ttaubert: Yeah, that one.
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667. # [14:24] <Yoric> ttaubert: If I have two tabs with the same domain, do I understand correctly that they should share their DOMSessionStorage?
668. # [14:24] <ttaubert> Yoric: no. they share localStorage. sessionStorage is per tab/window
669. # [14:25] <ttaubert> if you navigate in a tab, those documents share sessionStorage
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672. # [14:26] <@smaug> hsivonen: ah, hmm, maybe I understand this
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674. # [14:27] <Yoric> Ok, first part will simplify my work.
675. # [14:27] <Yoric> Second part, I don't understand.
676. # [14:27] <Yoric> Does it mean that two documents from the same domain can share sessionStorage if they are opened in the same tab?
677. # [14:28] <ttaubert> Yoric: yes. iframes for example. or if you navigate back and forth
678. # [14:28] <Yoric> ok
679. # [14:28] <ttaubert> Yoric: I meant sessionStorage is per tab/DOMWindow
680. # [14:28] <ttaubert> not the browser window of course :)
681. # [14:28] <ttaubert> sry
682. # [14:28] <Yoric> Of course :)
683. # [14:32] <@smaug> bsmedberg: would you object if I removed xpcom aggregation. (Not sure if that is possible, but code using aggregation is ugly and hard to follow. Also, I'm not planning to work on this any time soon)
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685. # [14:33] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/temp2.txt - I tend to create and delete profiles a lot. is there any way I can get these into a profile by default? ideally some ~/.mozilla/default_prefs.js ?
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687. # [14:34] <nemo> I suppose I could make a mini script to delete any matching keys in prefs.js then append these lines, after having made a new profile and quitting it.
688. # [14:35] <nemo> but, something automatic would be nice if it exists
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692. # [14:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a19ff77bee4 - Henri Sivonen - Bug 809956 - Deal with an odd number of ] characters before ]]> in a CDATA section in the HTML parser. r=smaug.
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694. # [14:47] <Yoric> ttaubert: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/sessionstore-rework – very early draft
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696. # [14:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f76ba3850b0a - Ed Morley - Backout 4fce20d0189f (bug 783913) since the later tests still failed
697. # [14:49] <edmorley> gfritzsche: your tbpl starring display name is a bug number btw
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699. # [14:50] <edmorley> (presuming it was you that starred https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=89ef79693657&tree=Try) :-)
700. # [14:50] <gfritzsche> edmorley: oh, thanks... no idea how that got in there :)
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702. # [14:51] <edmorley> gfritzsche: just confused me a second in the bug comments, since bugzilla linkified it
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715. # [14:59] <bsmedberg> smaug: yes, please remove XPCOM aggregation
716. # [14:59] <bsmedberg> I had a patch at one point
717. # [14:59] <gfritzsche> hm, is --enable-trace-jscalls + JS_SetFunctionCallback() still the tool of choice for tracing JS?
718. # [14:59] <bsmedberg> but there was some client which still used it
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721. # [15:03] <@smaug> hsivonen: ping
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723. # [15:04] <bsmedberg> glob: is it possible currently to be auto-cced on bugs where somebody marked NEEDINFO for me?
724. # [15:05] <glob> bsmedberg, not sure; i'll check
725. # [15:05] <sankha931> bz_away: ping
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732. # [15:07] <glob> bsmedberg, what do you have set for the user "Automatically add me to the CC list of bugs I am requested to review" preference?
733. # [15:07] <bsmedberg> it's set
734. # [15:07] <bsmedberg> "on"
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737. # [15:07] <glob> bsmedberg, hrm. as far as i can tell, that should be enough
738. # [15:08] <glob> (i guess not if you're asking me!)
739. # [15:08] <bsmedberg> shall I file?
740. # [15:08] <glob> bsmedberg, file file file
741. # [15:08] <glob> also, file.
742. # [15:09] <@ted> http://jbuckley.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/fileit.jpg
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745. # [15:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71274e474060 - Rudy Lu - Bug 810769 - [Browser] No keyboard available f=ttaubert r=kaze a=blocking-basecamp
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751. # [15:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/56f241626604 - Victor Porof - Bug 810642 - Intermittent browser_dbg_panesize.js | Height preferences shouldn't have been updated yet, r=past
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755. # [15:17] <hsivonen> smaug: pong
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757. # [15:17] <johd> hello
758. # [15:18] <@smaug> hsivonen: I asked some questions in the bug
759. # [15:19] <@smaug> hsivonen: sorry, I'm not too familiar with all the html5 parser stuff, so I need some more explanations
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761. # [15:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/104e49ae05f4 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 809071 - Sleep after failure to delete profile directory; r=ted
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769. # [15:25] <hsivonen> smaug: I replied on the bug. Were my explanations good enough?
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779. # [15:40] <@smaug> hsivonen: looking
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782. # [15:40] <@smaug> hsivonen: so does the isscoping change affect to behavior ?
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787. # [15:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a137fc5f83c5 - Henri Sivonen - Bug 808464 - Refresh the "special" list in the HTML parser and the check for that list in the <dd> case. r=smaug.
788. # [15:42] <_AxS_> glandium: ping; re bug 809430 , that new patch acceptable now or does it need more changes? Figured it would be easier to work with you here on it than spamming the bug.
789. # [15:43] <glandium> _AxS_: ask me review on the patch in the bug, i don't have time now
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791. # [15:44] <_AxS_> glandium: 'k np
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794. # [15:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/27ba1cfc0b30 - Ed Morley - Bug 798220 - Disable test_xhr_timeout.html on Android for intermittent failures
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797. # [15:46] <vtmarvin> Hi, i am porting a certain code 1.9=>15.0 and having a problem with changed nsIAtom::ToString. In 1.9 it was pure virtual, in 15.0 it is inline, calling nsStringBuffer::ToString which it can't find anywhere to link with. I could understand nsStringBuffer::ToString to be intended mozilla private, but does that mean that nsIAtom::ToString is private too?
798. # [15:46] <_AxS_> glandium: ps - when you do have time, I wouldn't mind seeing how you build the sources for packaging in debian. Whenever you've got free time tho (inna few days, whatever)
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808. # [15:57] <hsivonen> smaug: doesn’t affect behavior with known test cases
809. # [15:59] <@smaug> hsivonen: even theoretical testcases?
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819. # [16:02] <hsivonen> smaug: no. all scoping elements are also special
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824. # [16:04] <nemo> http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/2012/11/12/microsoft-sends-two-million-null-characters-hangs-opera yeesh
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847. # [16:21] <ttaubert> Yoric: couldn't sessionstore also be one zip/jar file? just as a third possibility maybe.
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849. # [16:22] <Yoric> That might work, too.
850. # [16:22] <Yoric> However, we would need much more I/O, wouldn't we?
851. # [16:22] <nemo> sheppy-afk: microsoft sneaking zipbombs into Accept-Encoding: compress,gzip :)
852. # [16:24] <ttaubert> Yoric: I don't know. we'd need to read the file but not all of it.
853. # [16:24] <Yoric> For reading, yes.
854. # [16:24] <Yoric> But for writing, we would need to write everything, wouldn't we?
855. # [16:24] <@ted> you can update zips
856. # [16:24] <@ted> you just update the directory
857. # [16:24] <Yoric> Although it's perhaps not that bad.
858. # [16:24] <Yoric> ted: In place?
859. # [16:24] <@ted> yes
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862. # [16:24] <Yoric> I mean, what is the actual effect in terms of disk I/O?
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866. # [16:25] <@ted> there's a directory (at the end) that just points to the entries
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868. # [16:25] <glob> ted, except you'd end up with a large file, with lots of unused data
869. # [16:25] <Yoric> Surely, you end up with fragmentation, etc.
870. # [16:25] <@ted> glob: it's true, if you're updating things
871. # [16:25] <Yoric> Although this could be defragmented every so often.
872. # [16:26] <ttaubert> Yoric: every 15s :P
873. # [16:26] <Yoric> :)
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875. # [16:29] <@ted> hah
876. # [16:29] <@ted> on the plus side you can just do that as a background task when things are idle
877. # [16:31] <glob> why not just use sqlite?
878. # [16:31] <Yoric> glob: Are you familiar enough with sqlite to answer some performance questions for me?
879. # [16:32] <glob> Yoric, probably not :(
880. # [16:32] <Yoric> So, sqlite is an option, but I would like to discuss it with someone who could answer these questions :)
881. # [16:33] <_AxS_> it'd probably be easier to get your performance answers by trying and testing ... dunno how much work it'd be to implement tho as i've no idea what it is you folks are discussing.. :)
882. # [16:33] <ttaubert> Yoric: mak should know a lot about sqlite, no?
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884. # [16:33] <Yoric> ttaubert: Yes, but he doesn't seem to be much present on irc these days/weeks/months.
885. # [16:33] <mak> ?
886. # [16:34] <Yoric> mak: Oh, are you?
887. # [16:34] <Yoric> :)
888. # [16:34] * mak hides
889. # [16:34] <ttaubert> !seen mak
890. # [16:34] <firebot> mak was last seen 3 seconds ago, saying '* mak hides' in #developers.
891. # [16:34] <glob> lol
892. # [16:34] <Yoric> _AxS_: Well, quite some work, unfortunately.
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894. # [16:35] <Yoric> mak: We are discussing https://etherpad.mozilla.org/sessionstore-rework
895. # [16:35] <Yoric> I would like your expertise on option 2.
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897. # [16:37] <_AxS_> Yoric: ... so to get real perf testing you'd need to do the alternative implementation too .. so a sqlite version might not be that much more work. I'm guessing it'd probably be easier than option-1
898. # [16:37] <_AxS_> s/testing/comparison/
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900. # [16:38] <Yoric> mak: Also, still interested in your feedback on bug 804108.
901. # [16:38] <Yoric> _AxS_: Well, yes, but I would rather avoid coding something if we know early on that it does not stand a chance of being useful.
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903. # [16:39] <mak> Yoric: yes, I wanted to write there but got delyed by higher priority stuff... Basically I think that is nice but not a priority target, to sum up
904. # [16:39] <Yoric> mak: Certainly.
905. # [16:39] <Yoric> However, this would be a nice stepping stone for some async refactorings.
906. # [16:40] <Yoric> Using promises + Task.js really makes life impressively easier.
907. # [16:40] <mak> Yoric: so there is a point about using SQLite, it is not optimized for sequential reads/writes, that I think is the most common case for sessionstore
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909. # [16:40] <mak> Yoric: other dbs (levelDB for example) are instead very fast at that, slow at random access
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911. # [16:41] <_AxS_> ... general question on this ... sessionStore is essentialy akin to a hibernation file on a system, isn't it? ie, it's a full dump of the environment? wouldn't the best thing for this be to keep it as simple to load and unload as possible (ie keep it the flat file that it is)?
912. # [16:41] <Yoric> I'm not sure how much sequential reads/writes we need for session store.
913. # [16:41] <Yoric> _AxS_: Well, the flat file that it is is very bad for our perf, so probably not :)
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915. # [16:41] <Yoric> (I don't have the numbers, though)
916. # [16:41] <mak> Yoric: For a thing that we usually need to read completely and write completely, I'd not go for SQLite... the only positive points you seem to make there is that it manages writes and memory for us, that is nice but not the selling point of a db engine
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918. # [16:41] <_AxS_> ..in terms of storage, certainly.. but in terms of runtime?
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920. # [16:42] <Yoric> _AxS_: At runtime, the session store is a big source of startup delays, shutdown delays, and jank.
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922. # [16:42] <Yoric> Recall that we need to write several mb to the disk every few seconds.
923. # [16:43] <_AxS_> But that isn't going to change , since the data still needs to be written.
924. # [16:43] <Yoric> Well, all three refactoring options remove that need.
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926. # [16:43] <Yoric> Most of the data actually does not need to be written.
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928. # [16:43] <Yoric> Since it hasn't changed during the past 15 seconds.
929. # [16:43] <_AxS_> OH, well yeah that would make a difference
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931. # [16:43] <Yoric> Plus most of the data doesn't need to be read in the first place.
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934. # [16:44] <Yoric> mak: Actually, we probably don't need to read/write completely.
935. # [16:44] <_AxS_> ..why's it written if it doesn't need to be read?
936. # [16:44] <mak> ok, so I suppoce we should figure how much it's random access vs total read/write (that is the current ss output I think)
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938. # [16:45] <Yoric> _AxS_: I have a gazillion tabs, but I don't need to read the whole state for every single tab at launch time – and during most sessions, I only use some of these tabs, so I don't need to read them at all.
939. # [16:45] <mak> Still I think we need to read everything on startup
940. # [16:45] <Yoric> _AxS_: But if I ever switch to these tabs, I will need to read the data.
941. # [16:45] <mak> And we need to write changes periodically, that may even mean rewrite everything in many cases
942. # [16:45] <Yoric> _AxS_: It's more a matter of _when_ things need to be read.
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944. # [16:46] <Yoric> mak: Currently, it's total read/write, but for startup, for instance, I'm pretty sure that we only need one tab fully loaded and the titles and icons of the other tabs.
945. # [16:46] <Yoric> (see "index.json" in the description of option 1)
946. # [16:46] <mak> by total I mean "read all the rows", that is what we need regardless... the fact we don't need all the data is a secondary thing
947. # [16:47] <Yoric> Ok, that answers my question.
948. # [16:47] <Yoric> I was wondering whether sqlite was smart/loose enough to do this lazily.
949. # [16:47] <mak> version 4 will likely be more, but far in the future
950. # [16:48] <_AxS_> Yoric: it would seem that by switching to one of these, you'd be restructuring how both the reads and writes are done and yes, it would seem that this could be improved nicely via a DB style management..
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952. # [16:48] <Yoric> mak: ok
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954. # [16:48] <mak> Yoric: you seem to point out to PRAGMA auto_vacuum, that solution is a perf killer, auto_vacuum increases fragmentation like hell
955. # [16:48] <Yoric> mak: I don't know who wrote that.
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958. # [16:49] <mak> oh sorry, I somehow skipped parsing the colors :)
959. # [16:49] <Yoric> :)
960. # [16:49] <Yoric> _AxS_: With the correct db, that's quite possible.
961. # [16:49] <_AxS_> Yoric: you'd probably need a small central record that would cover all the globals, and then one per tab. the central one would need to be read/written nearly all the time but the rest, yeah, only when active (or polled, for background tasks??)
962. # [16:49] <Yoric> _AxS_: I was wondering whether sqlite was the right db for the task.
963. # [16:50] <mak> as I see it, if we want to use SQLite, we need a very deep study on the schema to reduce these performance and fragmentation problems... it may not be straight-forward
964. # [16:50] <Yoric> mak: Ok, thanks for the expertise. Could you add a small comment to that effect in the document?
965. # [16:50] <mak> the schema will have to be built tight on the use-case, future changes will be hard
966. # [16:50] <_AxS_> ...is it straight-forward with *any* db backend?
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968. # [16:51] <mak> well, if a DB is constructed for a similar IO pattern, local optimization may be easier
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970. # [16:51] <Yoric> As this is rather a trivial case of database, it would probably be rather easy to design a db for this purpose.
971. # [16:51] <Yoric> But, well, I don't know if anybody has bothered to :)
972. # [16:51] <mak> "easy to design a db" is a scary phreade
973. # [16:51] <mak> phrase
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975. # [16:52] <mak> btw will think about that more and leave my comments in the etherpad
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978. # [16:55] <Yoric> Thanks.
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981. # [16:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/edc00669b8e1 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 808296 - Update top sites thumbnails from adapter, not from gridview (r=mfinkle)
982. # [16:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7493a7ad3f37 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 804600 - Fix crash when accessing about:reader with no arguments (r=mfinkle)
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985. # [17:00] <Yoric> gavin: ping
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988. # [17:03] <@gavin> Yoric: pong
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995. # [17:06] <Yoric> gavin: I hate to keep annoying you with this, but I have been waiting for a review from you regarding nsSearchService for a gazillion months.
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999. # [17:08] <Yoric> 5 months
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1001. # [17:08] <Yoric> gavin: Any hope of an ETA?
1002. # [17:09] <Yoric> gavin: (or of you nominating someone else for that review)
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1004. # [17:10] <@gavin> Yoric: I've been trying actively to find someone who can help with that patch
1005. # [17:10] <Yoric> Thanks.
1006. # [17:10] <@gavin> (as well as with other snappy patches in general)
1007. # [17:10] <Yoric> Well, all momentum has been long lost on that patch, but it would be nice to somehow manage to resume work, as it was blocking a number of things.
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1009. # [17:11] <Yoric> At this stage, I could certainly rewrite the patch with OS.File and promises, but I am a little reluctant to rewrite a patch if it ends up in /dev/null
1010. # [17:12] <Yoric> (or at least in blocking I/O :) )
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1017. # [17:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4be7dbc93bba - Malini Das - Bug 809245 - add preliminary touch support to marionette, r=jgriffin
1018. # [17:17] <vtmarvin> Hi again, can anybody tell me if mozilla::HashBytes is really private*) in moz 15, or am i missing something? Prevents linking nsTHashtable<nsIDHashKey> in 3rd party legacy code. *)Private: not found in any of the mozilla public interface libs.
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1030. # [17:23] <jdm> vtmarvin: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/HashFunctions.h suggests it is not private in the FF 19 code
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1034. # [17:24] <jdm> vtmarvin: and that was added in March of this year
1035. # [17:25] <jdm> vtmarvin: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729940 - you probably just need to change the file you're including
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1043. # [17:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3052145ed25c - Rob Wood - Bug 808783 - Disable crashing telephony test, r=ahal, DONTBUILD a=NPOTB
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1058. # [17:38] <vtmarvin> jdm: i am using mozilla 15.0.1 SDK. Symbol HashBytes@mozilla is in HashFunctions.obj, mozglue.lib (of mozilla build process) but not in the public linking libs
1059. # [17:40] <jdm> huh, weird.
1060. # [17:40] <jdm> that is beyond my area of expertise, though, so I can't provide any more help.
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1064. # [17:42] <vtmarvin> Thanks anyway, i think i will end up with my private override of nsIDHashKey along with HashBytes
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1069. # [17:44] <NeilAway> vtmarvin: have you tried using ScriptableToString instead?
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1074. # [17:46] <vtmarvin> NeilAway: you are referring to the first question about nsIAtom::ToString, right? Not this second one about HashFunctions. If the first one, yes i have figured that out since.
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1077. # [17:46] <NeilAway> vtmarvin: sorry, I'm catching up
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1079. # [17:47] <vtmarvin> NeilAway: don't be sorry, i appreciate any bit of help
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1086. # [17:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/891f2dc392f0 - Ethan Hugg - Bug 806407 Fix type in struct passed into msgsnd f=jesup
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1088. # [17:51] <gfritzsche> bsmedberg: new flash hang classifications should be filed into bugzilla or send to you?
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1091. # [17:53] <NeilAway> vtmarvin: hmm, well, the header says extern MFBT_API uint32_t HashBytes so I would expect it to get exported somewhere
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1094. # [17:55] <@roc> hmm
1095. # [17:55] <vtmarvin> NeilAway: i was equally surprised to not find it it any of the SDK public libs. I still absolutely might be overlooking something
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1097. # [17:55] <@roc> my build failed with "cannot find libsoundtouch.res"
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1171. # [18:25] <sankha93> bz:hi
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1175. # [18:27] <firebot> Check-in:
1176. # [18:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d4abb8e1419 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 802274 - Part 2: Show about:privatebrowsing when starting Firefox with the -private flag in both global and per-window private browsing mode; r=jdm,gavin
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1180. # [18:29] <sankha93> bz: ping
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1187. # [18:31] <froydnj> aha, stack-allocated AddRef/Release class. bad bad bad
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1190. # [18:33] <mccr8> froydnj: nsTimeout? ;)
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1196. # [18:36] <froydnj> mccr8: indeed
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1198. # [18:37] <@smaug> nsTimeout is beautiful code :)
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1201. # [18:38] <khuey> never heard it described that way before
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1203. # [18:39] * froydnj just forgoes NS_LOG_* on nsTimeout and goes on his way
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1205. # [18:39] <gcp> in the same way that horror movies are an art form
1206. # [18:40] <froydnj> "the stack allocated reference counted class returns from the garbage collected heap to wreak horror upon its users!"
1207. # [18:40] <froydnj> ...or something like that
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1209. # [18:41] <mccr8> froydnj: you can just change it to use new.
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1211. # [18:41] <glandium> froydnj: afaics, nsTimeout is heap allocated
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1213. # [18:41] <mccr8> glandium: there's one place where dummy nsTimeouts are allocated on the stack, then there are some fake addrefs to keep it alive.
1214. # [18:41] <glandium> except one instance, but that's on purpose and shouldn't be a problem
1215. # [18:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b0384bf925aa - Wes Johnston - Bug 810048 - Show filename as title for downloads. r=mleibovic
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1222. # [18:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/08fd9aa0d6e1 - Terrence Cole - Bug 810102 - Exactly root all BaseShape; r=sfink
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1225. # [18:44] <froydnj> glandium: famous last words ;)
1226. # [18:44] <@smaug> dholbert: is there any spec which describes which event handlers svg elements should support?
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1231. # [18:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/33d32f170ff2 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 810094 - make nsXMLContentSink::mDocElement a COMptr. r=hsivonen
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1235. # [18:47] <dholbert> smaug, does the SVG spec not cover that? (perhaps heycam can help, too)
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1239. # [18:47] <heycam> dholbert, smaug, there is http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/interact.html which has a table of events
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1241. # [18:48] <dholbert> heycam, thanks
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1244. # [18:48] <@smaug> heycam: ah, thanks
1245. # [18:49] <heycam> smaug, there might be stupid things in there; I haven't revised that chapter for SVG 2 yet
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1247. # [18:50] <@smaug> heycam: so svganimatationelement should support all those onfoo handlers?
1248. # [18:50] <heycam> smaug, ah, yes, but we don't say in the spec yet where those IDL attributes live
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1250. # [18:51] <heycam> I think the plan might be to move them all up to Node? or wherever DOM Core has the usual ones.
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1262. # [18:54] <@smaug> heycam: what about onbegin and other smil stuff
1263. # [18:54] <@smaug> all svg elements should support those?
1264. # [18:54] <@smaug> or only svganimationelement?
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1267. # [18:55] <heycam> I *think* so. that is the pattern with HTML elements, isn't it? some elements might have specific events but all the on* properties are on some interface up high?
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1270. # [18:56] <@smaug> most of onfoo are in HTMLElement
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1272. # [18:57] <@smaug> oh, I'm more interested in onfoo attributes
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1274. # [18:57] <heycam> ah ok
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1276. # [18:58] <heycam> is it the same deal with those? you can stick an onfoo="" on some element that normally wouldn't fire that event?
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1279. # [19:00] <@gavin> Yoric: updating the nsSearchService patch to use OS.File would be useful
1280. # [19:00] <@smaug> heycam: sure. load event is dispatched only to some elements
1281. # [19:00] <@smaug> heycam: but event propagates
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1285. # [19:00] <heycam> smaug, ok. if that is the pattern in html then we should do the same in svg.
1286. # [19:01] <heycam> oh but begin etc. don't bubble
1287. # [19:01] <heycam> so it's not as useful
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1290. # [19:02] <@smaug> heycam: ah, hmm
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1292. # [19:02] <heycam> smaug, are there any events that don't bubble but do have on* attributes on other elements
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1295. # [19:03] <@smaug> most of the events do bubble...
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1300. # [19:04] <@smaug> nothing comes to my mind now
1301. # [19:05] <heycam> ok
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1304. # [19:05] <heycam> smaug, I would leave it to your judgement then whether those onbegin etc. should live on something other than SVGAnimationElement; let me know and I'll stick it in the spec
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1308. # [19:07] <@smaug> heycam: ok.
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1317. # [19:08] <@smaug> actually, load event
1318. # [19:08] <@smaug> on <img>
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1336. # [19:15] <reuben> dougt: ping
1337. # [19:16] <dholbert> akeybl, does "status-firefox17:fixed" necessarily imply "status-firefox-esr17:fixed"?
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1339. # [19:17] <edmorley> dholbert: at this point, yes
1340. # [19:17] <dholbert> edmorley, cool, thanks
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1342. # [19:17] <dougt> reuben: hey
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1346. # [19:19] <khuey> lulz
1347. # [19:19] <khuey> dougt++
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1350. # [19:19] <khuey> best evaluation ever
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1352. # [19:20] <dougt> you should see my email to recruiting.
1353. # [19:21] <reuben> oh boy D:
1354. # [19:21] <dholbert> khuey, context?
1355. # [19:22] <khuey> dholbert: dougt submitted interview feedback that consisted of "couldn't get a hold of hte guy"
1356. # [19:22] <dholbert> heh
1357. # [19:22] <jhammel> (sic?)
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1359. # [19:22] <khuey> ha, no
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1365. # [19:24] <dougt> ftr, he found me on irc
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1368. # [19:28] <dougt> khuey: have you searched for helicopter in mxr recently? You might learn something.
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1370. # [19:31] <KWierso|Surface> gps: ping?
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1372. # [19:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82cb8e969e0c - Matt Woodrow - Bug 805197 - Compute a region in LayerTreeInvalidation. r=roc
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1378. # [19:34] <khuey> dougt: I see you're up to your old tricks again
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1391. # [19:42] <bsmedberg> Who's in charge of planet these days?
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1393. # [19:43] <Mossop> bsmedberg: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Activities#Planet_Mozilla
1394. # [19:44] <gps> KWierso|Surface: pong
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1403. # [19:48] <KWierso|Surface> gps: hey. was just wondering if Larch will indeed be available near the beginning of next month?
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1406. # [19:49] <KWierso|Surface> gps: or if I should get in line for a different branch ;)
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1408. # [19:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a14e7f19dbf - Wes Johnston - Bug 759041 - Add swipe between screens in awesomescreen. r=lucasr
1409. # [19:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d8fed46ba90d - Wes Johnston - Bug 759041 - Tests for swipe between screens. r=lucasr
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1411. # [19:51] <gps> KWierso|Surface: it's looking good for availability
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1414. # [19:51] <gps> it might even be ready sooner!
1415. # [19:51] <gps> possibly by the end of the week
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1418. # [19:52] <akeybl> dholbert: correct on the status-firefox-esr17 being redundant (sorry for the late reply)
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1420. # [19:53] <KWierso|Surface> gps: guess I should officially get in line, then!
1421. # [19:53] <dholbert> akeybl, cool, thanks. (wasn't 100% sure on release mechanics for esr17, just wanted to be sure)
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1424. # [19:54] <gaston> akeybl: approval-aurora ping re 792085, i hope to push it before next uplift..
1425. # [19:54] <gaston> or should i ask lsblakk ?
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1427. # [19:54] <akeybl> gaston: I'll take a quick look
1428. # [19:55] <akeybl> triage is this afternoon if I get distracted heh
1429. # [19:55] <gaston> thx :)
1430. # [19:55] <akeybl> approving
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1432. # [19:56] <gaston> perfect, thanks again
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1447. # [20:01] <dholbert> NeilAway, what's your preferred "r=[...]" moniker?
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1452. # [20:03] <dholbert> NeilAway, nevermind, |hg log | grep -i "=neil"| shows r=neil is pretty common for you (as opposed to r=enn for other-neil)
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1459. # [20:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/74d121044a74 - Scott Johnson - Bug 810726: Backout 34d30fa24371 for infinite loop problems. [r=roc][a=lsblakk]
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1461. # [20:07] <NeilAway> dholbert: r=Neil
1462. # [20:07] <dholbert> cool
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1487. # [20:19] <doublec> blassey: bug 807561 and bug 802787 has discussion on the color converter
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1490. # [20:19] <blassey> thanks
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1522. # [20:37] <catlee> bbondy: do you know if I need to rebuild all of firefox to pick up changes to the stub? or I can just rebuild in the installer dir?
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1524. # [20:37] <bbondy> catlee: is the change to the nsi itself?
1525. # [20:37] <bbondy> just the installer folder if so
1526. # [20:38] <catlee> I believe so
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1528. # [20:38] <catlee> just to stub.nsi I think
1529. # [20:38] <bbondy> yup
1530. # [20:38] <bbondy> just the installer folder is fine
1531. # [20:39] <bbondy> pymake -sC browser/installer/windows
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1545. # [20:48] <bz> Anyone here have IE?
1546. # [20:48] <KWierso|Surface> bz: yo
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1548. # [20:48] <bz> KWierso|Surface: can I ask you to try a testcase?
1549. # [20:49] <KWierso|Surface> sure
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1551. # [20:49] <bz> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1937434
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1554. # [20:51] <KWierso|Surface> bz: save that as an HTML file and open it?
1555. # [20:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc53121e1685 - Seth Fowler - Test for Bug 796179 - Errors in files with large data URIs can cause the error console to consume gigabytes of memory and lock up the browser. r=rcampbell
1556. # [20:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a557ce61d622 - Seth Fowler - Bug 796179 - Don't store full source URI in an attribute in the error console, and display it in abbreviated form to the user. r=rcampbell r=Neil
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1559. # [20:55] <KWierso|Surface> bz: assuming that's what you wanted, IE10 asks me to run untrusted content, and if I allow it, it prompts with | Parent handler: oops file:///path/to/file.html 10 |
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1568. # [21:02] <bz> KWierso|Surface: thanks!
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1570. # [21:03] <bz> KWierso|Surface: sorry for lag, got grabbed here
1571. # [21:03] <bz> KWierso|Surface: are you still there?
1572. # [21:03] <KWierso|Surface> bz: howdy
1573. # [21:03] <bz> KWierso|Surface: can you try another testcase?
1574. # [21:03] <KWierso|Surface> sure
1575. # [21:03] <bz> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1937307
1576. # [21:03] <bz> Just lines 5-16 there
1577. # [21:04] <bz> save to file, load, then click on the "Click me"
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1580. # [21:04] <bz> And also, maybe alert this.location.href in both the click handler and the timeout handler?
1581. # [21:04] <bz> Just so I know which global it thinks it's using?
1582. # [21:05] <bz> Anyone here know anything about indexeddb?
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1584. # [21:05] * bz has this:
1585. # [21:05] <bz> db.createObjectStore("blobs").onsuccess = function(){
1586. # [21:05] <bz> console.log('creating blobs');
1587. # [21:05] <bz> test();
1588. # [21:05] <bz> };
1589. # [21:05] <bz> and I get:
1590. # [21:05] <wolfiR> glandium: ping
1591. # [21:05] <bz> [12:05:03.999] InvalidStateError: A mutation operation was attempted on a database that did not allow mutations. @ file:///Users/bzbarsky/bar.html:10
1592. # [21:05] <bz> How do I make the db allow mutations?
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1597. # [21:08] <KWierso|Surface> bz: huh
1598. # [21:08] <wolfiR> │ ├──7,057,395,712 B (97.33%) ── anonymous, outside brk() [rw-p] [6235]
1599. # [21:08] <bz> KWierso|Surface: oh?
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1601. # [21:09] <wolfiR> my Aurora is doing strange things ^^
1602. # [21:09] <wolfiR> can I collect some data for debugging before I kill it?
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1604. # [21:10] <KWierso|Surface> bz: the iframe isn't loading
1605. # [21:10] <KWierso|Surface> gives an error :\
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1607. # [21:11] <KWierso|Surface> and an alert is going out with "Parent handler: Access is denied. file:///path/to/file.html 8"
1608. # [21:12] <bz> <KWierso|Surface: what if you just use another file, not a data: URL?
1609. # [21:13] <KWierso|Surface> if I
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1612. # [21:14] <KWierso|Surface> leave src empty, clicking says Parent handler: oops file:///path/to/file.html 11
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1614. # [21:15] <KWierso|Surface> bz: alerting in onclick says this.location.href is about:blank
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1616. # [21:16] <KWierso|Surface> bz: and there is no timeout handler in that testcase
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1618. # [21:18] <KWierso|Surface> bz: same behavior if I run the page in IE9 mode, doesn't seem to do anything in IE8 mode or earlier
1619. # [21:19] <KWierso|Surface> bz: grabbing lunch, back in a bit :)
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1621. # [21:20] <bz> <KWierso|Surface: ok
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1623. # [21:20] <bz> <KWierso|Surface: so the global is the inner page but the onerror fires for the outer page?
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1646. # [21:29] <KWierso|Surface> bz: onclick is about:blank, window.onerror is the testcase's filename, and the frames[0].onerror isn't fired
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1653. # [21:32] <bz> KWierso|Surface: thanks
1654. # [21:32] <bz> KWierso|Surface: fun times
1655. # [21:32] <espindola> rail, ping
1656. # [21:32] <rail> espindola: pong
1657. # [21:32] <espindola> rail, which gcc package are we using on centos6?
1658. # [21:32] <KWierso|Surface> bz: at least IE 9 and 10 are consistent :)
1659. # [21:32] <espindola> do we have a custom glibc package?
1660. # [21:33] <rail> espindola: let me check
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1662. # [21:35] <rail> espindola: glibc is 2.12-1.47.el6_2.5 and gcc is gcc45_0moz3-4.5.2-0moz3_mock_centos6
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1664. # [21:35] <espindola> rail, can you upload the gcc package somewhere?
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1667. # [21:38] <rail> espindola: can you rech this url? http://puppetagain.pub.build.mozilla.org/data/repos/yum/releng/public/CentOS/6/x86_64/
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1669. # [21:38] <rail> *reach
1670. # [21:38] <espindola> rail, yes
1671. # [21:38] <espindola> thanks
1672. # [21:38] <rail> \o/
1673. # [21:38] <rail> great
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1677. # [21:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/96e7580fb756 - Ms2ger - No bug - Add a step I forgot to dom/imptests/README. DONTBUILD
1678. # [21:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/30df269639f0 - Mike Conley - Bug 810340 - Keep downloads button a consistent size on OSX, regardless of the remaining download time. r=mak.
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1683. # [21:43] <reuben> mconley++, that bug gets in my nerves :)
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1689. # [21:46] <_AxS_> Anybody know where, within the codebase of mozilla-central , the version is set? All i'm finding so far is browser/config/version.txt , is that it for everything?
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1691. # [21:47] <mcsmurf> _AxS_: check http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/aa5e3b445810
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1693. # [21:48] <_AxS_> {srcdir}/config/milestone.txt -- perfect.
1694. # [21:48] <mcsmurf> JS has an extra version because...not sure
1695. # [21:48] <mcsmurf> maybe because it can run standalone
1696. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> Right
1697. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> And it isn't supposed to look at anything outside js/src
1698. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> And nspr, mfbt
1699. # [21:49] <_AxS_> JS has a bunch of strange stuffs. versioning is changing within that codebase.
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1701. # [21:50] <nbp> I am trying to backport a patch to aurora, but all android test are failing on try, even aurora's tip. How can we check android for patches dedicated to aurora?
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1703. # [21:51] <Ms2ger> nbp, you don't
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1706. # [21:51] <nbp> Ms2ger: Don't or can't ?
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1708. # [21:52] <Ms2ger> nbp, there's some branding changes you can make to get those tests running
1709. # [21:52] <Ms2ger> nbp, we won't yell at you if you don't, though
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1716. # [21:56] <mconley> reuben: :D
1717. # [21:56] <bsmedberg> how come if I go to twitter.com I can't just search on it?
1718. # [21:56] <bsmedberg> Do I really have to create an account to use it at all?
1719. # [21:56] <mcsmurf> bsmedberg: http://twitter.com/#!/search
1720. # [21:56] <mcsmurf> not sure if this is linked from the main page though :)
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1724. # [21:57] <@gavin> or you acn use firefox's built-in search plugin!
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1726. # [21:58] <bsmedberg> dude, that's way to high-tech for me
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1729. # [22:00] <jduell> mconnor: ping
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1731. # [22:00] <mconnor> jduell: pong
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1735. # [22:00] <jduell> mconnor: just wondering if you could look at bug 810209. One line patch...
1736. # [22:00] <mconnor> jduell: I know there's email somewhere from you, you're catching me between "week of offsites" and "travel to Singapore" today, so dealing with a long list. :)
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1738. # [22:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bd5af1096232 - Felipe Gomes - Bug 803255. Ensure previous document viewer is cleared when creating a new one to avoid leaking the old one. r=bz
1739. # [22:01] <jduell> mconnor: ok, when you get time. Basically just trying to init cookie service early to avoid window where it can race with deletes
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1742. # [22:02] <mconnor> jduell: ok, I think I saw discussion w/taras where he wasn't worried about it, if that's the bug I'm thinking about
1743. # [22:03] <jduell> mconnor: yup
1744. # [22:03] <jduell> mconnor: I'm going to fix it properly eventually but this seems like a good enough hack for v1
1745. # [22:03] <jduell> and it's really fairly failproof
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1751. # [22:06] <seth> doublec: ping
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1766. # [22:15] <doublec> seth: pong
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1768. # [22:15] <seth> doublec: heh, was gonna come arrange a time to chat about that patch review, but i guess now is not a good time =) maybe when there's another break?
1769. # [22:16] <doublec> seth: ok
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1772. # [22:19] <WeirdAl> When do patches with checkin? set usually get picked up?
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1775. # [22:20] <khuey> when RyanVM feels generous
1776. # [22:20] <philor> when RyanVM gets home from work in Eastern time, if he looks at checkin?, never if he only looks at checkin-needed
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1778. # [22:21] <jhammel> philor wrote a "blog post" about this http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/6607
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1782. # [22:23] <msucan> why would i get Peer's certificate has an invalid signature. Error code: sec_error_bad_signature ?
1783. # [22:24] <msucan> whenever i try to load https pages in debug builds only. optimized builds work
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1785. # [22:25] <minus54> hi
1786. # [22:25] <minus54> I'd like to know something about a conversation with AMD regarding issue 792639 (read last comment 9)
1787. # [22:25] <minus54> I'm suffering of this issue, and I like to receive some confirm about your effective availability to solve it in a next future
1788. # [22:25] <minus54> Was there any case in which you solved a firefox issue asking the permission to AMD about driver source code?
1789. # [22:26] <khuey> you probably want to talk to Bas
1790. # [22:26] <Bas> minus54: We've never had access to AMD driver source code :)
1791. # [22:26] <Bas> Nor do I think we ever will :)
1792. # [22:26] <Bas> Nor do I particularly feel like we should :)
1793. # [22:27] <mcsmurf> firebot: Bug 792639
1794. # [22:27] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792639 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Unusual 3d GPU clock while scrolling or switching between windows
1795. # [22:27] <jhammel> Bas: you don't think AMD should open source their driver code? ;)
1796. # [22:27] <minus54> so you don't deny that it's up to you to solve this?
1797. # [22:27] <Bas> minus54: Umm.. depends on what you mean by 'solve' if by solve you mean blacklist this driver and don't accelerate on it, then yes, that's certainly in the realm of possibilities for driver bugs.
1798. # [22:28] <Bas> I -don't- feel like it's up to us to rootcause or fix driver bugs.
1799. # [22:28] <Jesse> is there a url paramater i can add to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/media/test/crashtests/466945-1.html?raw=1 to make it text/html ?
1800. # [22:28] <doublec> seth: I'm available whenever
1801. # [22:28] * Jesse realizes he's asking for an XSS vector
1802. # [22:28] <dholbert> Jesse, I believe the corresponding hg.mozilla.org URL serves things with the right mimetype
1803. # [22:28] <Bas> jhammel: I don't feel strongly that way, no :) It's up to any company for itself to decide whether open source makes sense for their business model. I can't look into AMD's considerations :)
1804. # [22:29] <minus54> bas: problem is, I can reproduce it with all catalyst releases
1805. # [22:29] <jhammel> Jesse: and all the nasty people who will get commit access just to XSS you :P
1806. # [22:29] <Bas> minus54: Which bug in particular are we talking about herE?
1807. # [22:29] <minus54> 792639
1808. # [22:29] <Bas> Oh, right, found it.
1809. # [22:29] <dholbert> Jesse, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/raw-file/tip/content/media/test/crashtests/466945-1.html
1810. # [22:29] <minus54> and the weird thing is, I can't reproduce it in windows 8
1811. # [22:29] <minus54> with the same drivers
1812. # [22:30] <minus54> because there isn't aero, probably.
1813. # [22:30] <Jesse> dholbert: <3
1814. # [22:30] <Bas> minus54: The DWM is still used on Windows 8. But you -did- turn of HWA right?
1815. # [22:30] <bholley> jaws: bug 765192
1816. # [22:30] <Jesse> jhammel: chances are we have some XSSable tests
1817. # [22:31] <jhammel> likely
1818. # [22:31] <Bas> minus54: I'll reply on the bug, I hadn't seen your comment.
1819. # [22:31] <dholbert> Jesse, fortunately, there's no cookie to steal on hg.mozilla.org, so XSS isn't (?) a hugely frightening prospect
1820. # [22:31] <minus54> turning off doesn't solve it, I need to disable aero too.
1821. # [22:31] <dholbert> s/no cookie/no useful cookie/
1822. # [22:31] <minus54> aero + gpu compositing, together
1823. # [22:31] <minus54> and I'm just enjoing the awful basic theme
1824. # [22:32] <Bas> minus54: So this is -only- happening with Firefox for you, right? Not with IE or Chrome?
1825. # [22:33] <minus54> only firefox
1826. # [22:33] <minus54> I always clean my amd drivers with all third-party uninstallers, I performed a clean firefox installation, so I don't really know the cause
1827. # [22:33] <Bas> minus54: Are you sure you -restarted- firefox after switching off hardware acceleration?
1828. # [22:33] <minus54> yes, but it's the same
1829. # [22:33] <jaws> bholley: i'd rather leave it to dolske :)
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1832. # [22:33] <bholley> jaws: ok :-)
1833. # [22:33] <bholley> d
1834. # [22:34] <minus54> I have to disable aero too
1835. # [22:34] <bholley> dolske: ping re bug 765192
1836. # [22:34] <minus54> otherwise no workaounrd
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1838. # [22:34] <jaws> bholley: but i would say that arguments.callee is deprecated
1839. # [22:34] <Bas> minus54: Could you paste your about:support graphics section to pastebin.mozilla.org -after- you've switched off hardware acceleration?
1840. # [22:34] <minus54> without restarting?
1841. # [22:35] <bholley> jaws: what's the new hotness way of writing an event listener that removes itself?
1842. # [22:35] <jaws> bholley: naming the event listener function :)
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1844. # [22:35] <jaws> also, some more hotness...
1845. # [22:35] <jaws> this, SimpleTest.executeSoon(function() {ctx.tab2Browser.goForward();});
1846. # [22:35] <khuey> jaws++
1847. # [22:35] <bholley> jaws: why is arguments.callee deprecated?
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1849. # [22:35] <jaws> can be written as: SimpleTest.executeSoon(function() ctx.tab2Browser.goForward(); );
1850. # [22:35] <jaws> bholley: ^
1851. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> bholley, TC39
1852. # [22:35] <bholley> jaws: nice
1853. # [22:36] <Bas> minu54: With restarting, just firefox, that is.
1854. # [22:36] <jaws> bholley: from mdn, Warning: The 5th edition of ECMAScript forbids use of arguments.callee() in strict mode.
1855. # [22:36] <jaws> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Functions_and_function_scope/arguments/callee
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1858. # [22:37] <minus54> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1937674 (catalyst 11.11a)
1859. # [22:38] <khuey> how does one find the buildid?
1860. # [22:38] <mcsmurf> about:buildconfig
1861. # [22:38] <mcsmurf> um, maybe not
1862. # [22:38] <mcsmurf> is there a build id anymore?
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1864. # [22:38] <khuey> there is in socorro
1865. # [22:39] <khuey> aha it's in application.ini
1866. # [22:39] * philor types too slowly
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1870. # [22:40] <Waldo> jhammel: y u no love ^headers^ :-(
1871. # [22:41] <Ms2ger> y u watching my bug
1872. # [22:41] <minus54> bas: I don't think it's a driver fault, because I tried at least 5 different driver releases
1873. # [22:41] <minus54> bas: including the latest stable version
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1875. # [22:42] <jhammel> Waldo: well, i like the *idea* of ^headers^
1876. # [22:42] <Waldo> Ms2ger: cuz u filed it in component I watch
1877. # [22:42] * Waldo stops with the lolspeaking
1878. # [22:42] <Bas> minus54: Well, it certainly seems like a driver version, I can confirm that acceleration is properly switched off, in theory it could be a DWM problem, we do some special stuff with our DWM settings.
1879. # [22:42] <jhammel> i would argue that anything that has to be called '^headers^' already has me raising an eyebrow ;)
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1881. # [22:42] <Waldo> :-)
1882. # [22:42] <Bas> minus54: Jim Mathies might know more about that.
1883. # [22:42] <Bas> jimm: ^
1884. # [22:42] <jhammel> Waldo: u is in hiz componet watchin hiz bugz?
1885. # [22:42] <Waldo> jhammel: I think it was better than the alternative, at least, which was to have a file that the server would actually serve to people
1886. # [22:43] <minus54> dwm in windows 8 is way different than windows 7?
1887. # [22:43] <bsmedberg> yes
1888. # [22:43] <Waldo> jhammel: exactly
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1890. # [22:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd5b9d2728d0 - Jeff Walden - Warning patrol: change the type of a variable to that of the value assigned to it, remove a set-but-never-used variable. No bug, r=sparky
1891. # [22:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/769777308b19 - Norbert Lindenberg - Bug 769872 - Add C++ core of Intl object and constructors Collator, NumberFormat, DateTimeFormat. However, disable initialization of Intl object and its
1892. # [22:45] <firebot> constructors while functionality is incomplete. r=jwalden
1893. # [22:45] <mcsmurf> "WARNING | automationutils.processLeakLog() | refcount logging is off, so leaks can't be detected!"
1894. # [22:45] <mcsmurf> what's the easiest/best way to enable refcount logging (lcoal build)?
1895. # [22:45] <mcsmurf> when running tests that is
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1898. # [22:46] <minus54> bas: ok so I'll wait jim
1899. # [22:46] <mcsmurf> oh. maybe I actually need to enable my build for this?
1900. # [22:47] <biesi> mcsmurf, yeah I think there's a configure flag
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1904. # [22:49] <Bas> minus54: Not 'really'
1905. # [22:49] <minus54> bas: so what is the next step?
1906. # [22:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3b036060e831 - Sankha Narayan Guria - Bug 775949 - [OS.File] Test suite uses |info| instead of |ok|. r=Yoric
1907. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/657980dc46fd - Chuck Lee - Bug 736104 - Expose capabilities to DOM. r=mrbkap
1908. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b1501a0a1290 - Chuck Lee - Bug 736104 - Provide network connection status. r=mrbkap
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1910. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5978f028cf5 - Brendan Dahl - Bug 791466 - Fix direct write cairo scaled font. r=Bas
1911. # [22:50] <Bas> minus54: I have no idea, my AMD machines don't reproduce the problem :s It's hard to say, it would be easier if the problem only exists with acceleration -on-. It's hard to say when it also happens with accel off.
1912. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32bbe2ea773a - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
1913. # [22:50] * IanN|Away is now known as IanN
1914. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/79b202f6671e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 810107 - Update pdf.js to version 0.6.123. r=dtownsend
1915. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94e8b43c6d23 - Chuck Lee - Bug 736104 - Change object key of configure network, and return array to gaia instead of object. r=mrbkap
1916. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/96e7580fb756 - Ms2ger - No bug - Add a step I forgot to dom/imptests/README. DONTBUILD
1917. # [22:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e0eb299471c - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 805330 - Cleanup and attempt to avoid intermittent orange from bug 751809. r=josh
1918. # [22:51] <minus54> Bas: I have an intel 860 + radeon 5850... not an AMD machine here.
1919. # [22:51] <minus54> Bas: only the video card
1920. # [22:52] <Bas> minus54: That's what I means :)
1921. # [22:52] <Bas> I don't even own an AMD CPU :P
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1923. # [22:53] <jhammel> so i am confused
1924. # [22:53] <jhammel> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&pusher=jhammel@mozilla.com shows nothing
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1926. # [22:53] <minus54> Bas: I could help with my windows 8 installation... or I can help you with a teamviewer session in my win7 where I have the problem
1927. # [22:53] <jhammel> but... https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=7aa372c29cd3
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1929. # [22:55] <philor> jhammel: &pusher= shows nothing until you hit the down-arrow a sufficient number of times
1930. # [22:55] <philor> it's a filter on the loaded pushlog, rather than a pushlog param like rev is
1931. # [22:55] <jhammel> philor: ah, an easter egg
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1933. # [22:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c109426c0e3 - William Lachance - Bug 805116 - Print more of the logcat in mobile tests;r=gbrown
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1948. # [23:04] <minus54> Bas: I want to say.... you have a volunteer, if you need to access on my machine. AMD doesn't seem much interested to my reports.
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1951. # [23:05] <Bas> minus54: I don't have time to look into it right now, but I'll think about it a little, maybe send you a test app somewhere next week to see if I can find a minimal reproduce.
1952. # [23:05] <Waldo> Ms2ger: any chance you could get mfbt using nullptr consistently sometime? right now STYLE says we use NULL, which I believe is outdated now that SpiderMonkey is C++-only
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1954. # [23:05] <Ms2ger> Waldo, just mfbt? I guess
1955. # [23:06] <minus54> Bas: can I post you my alternative email address via pm?
1956. # [23:06] <Waldo> Ms2ger: well, we start with the things where there's no pushback on changing :-)
1957. # [23:06] <mcsmurf> is there some kind of best practices doc on where to start when I get "leaked until shutdown" complaints when running a certain (automated) test?
1958. # [23:06] <mcsmurf> other than https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump
1959. # [23:06] <Waldo> Ms2ger: all JS might be a harder sell; we'll get there
1960. # [23:06] <Bas> minus54: Sure, you can also e-mail bschouten@mozilla.com
1961. # [23:06] <Ms2ger> Waldo, file a bug :)
1962. # [23:06] <Waldo> I try not to file bugs where I'm just going to get people all angry at me from the start :-)
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1964. # [23:07] <Waldo> once we get enough mfbt-usage in the engine, these changes will encounter less resistance, I hope
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1968. # [23:07] <Bas> waldo: mfbt in a separate repo ftw! :P
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1971. # [23:09] <Waldo> Bas: not sure that'd make much difference here one way or another, to be honest; the problem is irrational like for seeing JS_ASSERT instead of MOZ_ASSERT (because...hey, it's a JS assert...and, um, it's nice to look different [I am not making that up])
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1978. # [23:09] <Waldo> although I may not be precisely explaining the objection, to be sure :-)
1979. # [23:09] <Waldo> it's definitely silly
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1991. # [23:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/59c32eccc97d - John Schoenick - Bug 766886 - Cleanup plugin streams earlier to avoid shutdown leak. r=bsmedberg
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1994. # [23:14] <Hughman> what is the best way to identify where jank is happening?
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1996. # [23:15] <Hughman> context: for about the last week in Aurora I have been having horrible multi-second hangs after having it open for just a few hours
1997. # [23:15] <@gavin> the built-in profiler
1998. # [23:15] <@gavin> Hughman: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Performance/Profiling_with_the_Built-in_Profiler
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2001. # [23:17] <minus54> Bas: Contact email sent. Thank you for your courtesy.
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2009. # [23:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b857905d82b4 - Ms2ger - Bug 811068 - Copy ^headers^ file in importTestsuite.py; r=jhammel (DONTBUILD)
2010. # [23:22] <Bas> minus54: No problem, thanks for your feedback.
2011. # [23:22] <Hughman> gavin: so i just have to run this when the pauses start then analyze?
2012. # [23:23] <Hughman> *this addon*
2013. # [23:23] <@gavin> Hughman: yeah. #perf may be able to help with more detailed instructions/help
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2016. # [23:24] <jhammel> anyone know the component for panorama bugs and/or if i should bother filing them?
2017. # [23:25] <Ms2ger> jhammel, you mean b2g?
2018. # [23:25] <jhammel> ha
2019. # [23:25] <KWierso|Surface> jhammel: Tab Groups?
2020. # [23:25] <jhammel> Ms2ger: no, i mean persona ;)
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2022. # [23:26] <jhammel> KWierso|Surface: thanks
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2026. # [23:28] <Hughman> gavin: thanks! ill try it when i get home (since that is where it is most visible)
2027. # [23:30] <jhammel> KWierso|Surface: though its actually Firefox :: Panorama
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2036. # [23:35] <KWierso|Surface> jhammel: that's too easy
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2039. # [23:36] <jhammel> KWierso|Surface: ;)
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2046. # [23:38] <jhammel> KWierso|Surface: now whether its worth filing panorama bugs is harder to say ;)
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2048. # [23:38] <jhammel> or RFEs anyway
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2052. # [23:40] <KWierso|Surface> jhammel: at worst, you're wasting your time and bugzilla database storage space :)
2053. # [23:41] <jhammel> KWierso|Surface: and setting myself up for heart-break ;)
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2056. # [23:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7fa101f3e81 - Jared Wein - Bug 807422 - Panels should open towards the center of the browser window. r=felipe
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2061. # [23:43] <gregglind> /win 33
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2067. # [23:47] <Unfocused> jaws: er, is that LTR only? ^
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2070. # [23:47] <@gavin> Unfocused: those popup attribtues are RTL-aware
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2072. # [23:47] <@gavin> they flip direction in RTL
2073. # [23:47] <Unfocused> orly?
2074. # [23:47] <Unfocused> nice!
2075. # [23:47] <@gavin> that's what enn told me anyhow. if I'm lying blame him.
2076. # [23:48] <Unfocused> heh
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2079. # [23:48] <Unfocused> well, here's hoping, i thought i was going to have to tackle that sometime soon for the panelui
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2083. # [23:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5ea36ae3e9f0 - Peter Van der Beken - Fix for bug 810597 (crash in GetPrintCanvasElementsInFrame). r=bz
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2086. # [23:50] <njn> can someone show me a mozconfig for doing 32-bit builds with clang on Mac OS 10.7 ?
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2093. # [23:58] <Asa> vote early and often http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4775117
2094. # [23:59] <nemo> hm. all the borders on this chart are 1px solid black - but I just noticed Firefox is rendering some as 2px, and some as 1px. resolution dependent
2095. # [23:59] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/kraken.xhtml
2096. # [23:59] <nemo> is that normal behaviour?
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