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# Session Start: Wed Nov 14 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <Waldo> also known as "we need to have a mozillabuild that has a newer hg in it" :-)
# [00:00] <mgoodwin> bholley: are you in MV at the moment?
# [00:00] <mgoodwin> (just wondering if it's worth grabbing a room for the MV folks)
# [00:00] <bholley> mgoodwin: I WFH
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# [00:01] <mgoodwin> OK. (me too)
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# [00:02] <Jesse> suppose i were to write a patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810718. how would i measure its perf impact?
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# [00:03] <jfkthame> Waldo: yes, update --clean seems to have revived my tree
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# [00:03] <Waldo> \o/
# [00:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9360711fad95 - Doug Turner - Bug 809758 - Ensure sGeoInitPending is set to false prior to notifying ServiceReady. r=gwagner. a=blocking-basecamp
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# [00:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9707fdeafe85 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 801918. OpenGL: Avoid doing extra invalidation when unrotating a buffer. r=mwoodrow
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# [00:16] <philor> mattwoodrow: reftests/bugs/379316-2.html thought that nesting *was* necessary
# [00:17] <mattwoodrow> philor: :( I blame the test
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# [00:17] <mattwoodrow> what would it know
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# [00:17] <philor> fix it like they do in js/, just hg rm the test
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# [00:19] <Waldo> we do that? (and for tests that aren't dumb, like depending on stack overflow limits or whatever)
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# [00:21] <philor> you don't get to do it as much these days as you once did, because you've gotten rid of a lot of the dumb and ancient tests
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# [00:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cbff9c26a1b2 - Jim Chen - Bug 810170 - Properly handle extracted text notification and selection notification; r=cpeterson
# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b6bd99bf0c1f - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 805766 nsFocusManager should change IME state before dispatching focus event at activating different document r=enndeakin
# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da23f50dc0a9 - Jim Chen - Bug 808287 - Follow-up to combine IME enums, etc; r=cpeterson
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# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c38480ca4ee4 - Jim Chen - Bug 808287 - Fix out-of-order IME events during focus change; r=cpeterson
# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/876764fbf6dc - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 808287 nsTextStateManager shouldn't notify widget of selection changes and text changes after IME loses focus r=smaug
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# [00:23] <philor> but it was quite a surprise to me, when I first started watching the tracemonkey tree and I'd tell someone they had bustage, so they'd just remove the test, and hey presto! green
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# [00:25] <philor> oh no, NSPR removed support for NeXTSTEP *and* NCR? how will we corner the market for obsolete workstations and cash registers?
# [00:25] <mattwoodrow> oh nice, this test is disabled on every platform except linux
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# [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9558170464c0 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 43e4b01c0150 (bug 810186) for reftest failures.
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# [00:30] <philor> mattwoodrow: but it's marked with a bug number, so you just have to wait for that wontfixed bug and then it'll be enabled!
# [00:30] <philor> on whichever one of those annotated itself, since usually it's only one
# [00:31] <philor> oh, there's a separate wontfix bug for Linux, maybe that's the one you want
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# [00:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff8ce0a15867 - Brad Lassey - bug 739542 - Disable screen timeout when playing HTML5 <video> (webm, H.264) r=doublec
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# [00:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2fd71029eaa2 - Brad Lassey - bug 749352 - Firefox fails to connect when a proxy is used r=mfinkle,mossop
# [00:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e66079d8f28c - seabld - Added tag SEAMONKEY_2_14b5_RELEASE for changeset FIREFOX_17_0b6_BUILD1. CLOSED TREE a=release
# [00:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/465b8a96ccfd - seabld - Added tag SEAMONKEY_2_14b5_BUILD1 for changeset FIREFOX_17_0b6_BUILD1. CLOSED TREE a=release
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# [00:41] <WeirdAl> oh, those are the final beta tags
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# [00:41] <WeirdAl> not the release bases
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# [00:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6f434302bff3 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 811461. Switch IMAGE_DECODE_LATENCY to microseconds. r=taras
# [00:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc210f0643e1 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 811467. Increase image decode chunk size. r=joe
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# [00:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/612765a83511 - Geoff Brown - Bug 808729 - Set _TESTING_MODULES_DIR for Android xpcshell tests; r=jmaher
# [00:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d3046ee2f00 - Geoff Brown - Bug 752126 - Shorten remote (android) xpcshell command line with script; r=jmaher
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# [01:01] <khuey> tn: ping?
# [01:02] <tn> khuey, pong
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# [01:02] <khuey> tn: never mind
# [01:02] <bholley> khuey: how's your template-fu?
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# [01:03] <khuey> bholley: not great
# [01:03] <khuey> bholley: try bjacob?
# [01:03] <bholley> bjacob: yt?
# [01:03] <bjacob> bholley: pong
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# [01:04] <bholley> bjacob: got template-fu?
# [01:04] <bjacob> bholley: shoot!
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# [01:04] <bholley> bjacob: so, currently we do a lot of this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/wrappers/XrayWrapper.cpp#1706
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# [01:05] <bholley> bjacob: I tried to fix these #defines and turn them into typedefs in this patch, but it broke the build on b2g and older mac compilers and got backed out: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7499faaec23
# [01:06] <bholley> bjacob: more specifically: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7499faaec23#l3.12
# [01:06] <bholley> bjacob: that patch works on some platforms, not on others
# [01:06] <bholley> bjacob: the ones that fail die with linker errors
# [01:06] <bjacob> bholley: looking. what is the error?
# [01:06] <bholley> bjacob: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800915#c16
# [01:07] <bholley> bjacob: presumably, the template class Foo; part is necessary
# [01:07] <bholley> bjacob: and perhaps inferred on more modern compilers
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# [01:08] <bholley> bjacob: however, when I try to do something like |template class PermissiveXrayXPCWN;|
# [01:08] <bholley> bjacob: the compiler complains about it being a typedef
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# [01:08] <bjacob> bholley: other translations units probably need to declare this using |extern template|, no?
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# [01:09] <bholley> bjacob: let me try
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# [01:09] <bjacob> bholley: while it is theoretically not supported in c++98, in practice extern template is well supported in all compilers afaok
# [01:11] <bholley> bjacob: XrayWrapper.h:97: error: expected unqualified-id before ';' token
# [01:11] <bholley> bjacob: when I try to do extern template MyTypedef;
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# [01:11] <bjacob> the syntax is different
# [01:11] <bjacob> let me dig it up
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# [01:12] <bjacob> you can't use extern template on a typedef
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# [01:13] <bjacob> you have to pass the actuall class name
# [01:13] <bjacob> bholley: ^
# [01:13] <bholley> bjacob: lame
# [01:13] <bholley> bjacob: well, let me see if that works
# [01:14] <bjacob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B11#Extern_template
# [01:15] <RyanVM> philor: are you going to be watching inbound for awhile?
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# [01:16] <bholley> bjacob: hm, that's probably the least evil of my available options. Thanks :-)
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# [01:16] <bjacob> bholley: my pleasure
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# [01:19] <philor> RyanVM: as long as I don't need a tree to watch it, I am
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# [01:19] <RyanVM> philor: OK, then I'll stop starring for awhile. Ping me if you need a backout.
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# [01:20] <philor> heh, look at Yoric, hiding away in the middle of all those checkin-neededs, thinking I won't spot him there
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# [01:21] <bholley> bjacob: hm, still won't link
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# [01:22] <bholley> bjacob: did I get this right?
# [01:22] <bjacob> bholley: show me the line you added, and the new link error?
# [01:22] <bholley> bjacob: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1939998
# [01:22] <bholley> bjacob: and this is the link error
# [01:22] <bholley> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1939999
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# [01:23] <bholley> bjacob: (this is with a b2g cross-compile)
# [01:23] <bjacob> does FilteringWrapper.cpp #include XrayWrapper.h?
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# [01:24] <NeilAway> bz: hmm, I get that forward references assert with some of my builds and not others, from the same tree even, no idea what's going on there :s
# [01:24] <bholley> bjacob: yes
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# [01:25] <bjacob> bholley: could there be a misunderstanding on the namespace? the linking error wants xpc:: . So did you put the extern declaration in that namespace?
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# [01:26] <bholley> bjacob: yeah, all of the files are entirely within namespace xpc {
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# [01:26] <bjacob> bholley: and in XrayWrapper.cpp is this defined in this namespace
# [01:26] <bjacob> ok
# [01:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8d91465ec123 - Mario Alvarado [:marioalv] - Bug 806703 - Port browser_privatebrowsing_zoomrestore.js to the new per-window PB APIs
# [01:27] <bjacob> bholley: so do
# [01:27] <bjacob> nm -C XrayWrapper.o | grep <your stuff>
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# [01:27] <bjacob> bholley: where nm is the nm from the android NDK you're using to build. i guess
# [01:28] <bjacob> to check what there really is there
# [01:28] <bholley> bjacob: checking
# [01:28] <bjacob> and then, same on FilteringWrapper.o to check what it really wants
# [01:28] <bjacob> (will show there as an undefined symbol)
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# [01:30] <bholley> hmmm
# [01:31] <bholley> bjacob: lots of munged names ;-)
# [01:31] <bholley> bjacob: FilteringWrapper.o http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1940021
# [01:32] <bholley> bjacob: XrayWrapper.o: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1940023
# [01:33] <bjacob> bholley: pass the -C option to demangle
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# [01:33] <bjacob> bholley: unless you speak cxxabi natively -- i dont
# [01:34] <bholley> bjacob: ah, ok: Here's FilteringWrapper.o again: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1940026
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# [01:34] <bholley> bjacob: and XrayWrapper.o: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1940028
# [01:35] <bjacob> ok so those U symbols are the undefined ones which it will look for in the other .o file
# [01:35] <bjacob> oh
# [01:35] <bjacob> U there too!
# [01:35] <bjacob> i think i know
# [01:35] <bjacob> is XrayWrapper.cpp #including XrayWrapper.h ?
# [01:36] <bjacob> then the symbols are declared as extern there too!
# [01:36] <bholley> bjacob: sure is
# [01:36] <bjacob> !!
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# [01:36] <bjacob> so you must not have the extern declarations in XrayWrapper.cpp
# [01:36] <bholley> bjacob: is that really how it works though? cpp files include headers with their stuff declared extern all the time
# [01:37] <bjacob> extern template tells the compiler to leave the symbols undefined, not try to attempt to generate code for this template specialization
# [01:37] <bjacob> well, not _exactly_
# [01:37] <bholley> bjacob: oh, I see. Templates are different?
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# [01:38] <bjacob> bholley: TBH i dont remember the rule for non-template extern. But templates are different in the sense that normally, the code of templates is generated upon template instantiation, whereas non-template functions have their code generated regardless of if/how they are called
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# [01:39] <Waldo> hmm, I really have to use a non-system compiler (== gcc 4.7) to compile b2g? lame
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# [01:39] * Waldo wonders if he's motivated enough to go to the trouble of trying to set that up
# [01:40] <dholbert> Waldo, you mean your system compiler is 4.7, and you'd prefer to use that instead of 4.6?
# [01:41] * dholbert wonders about the requirement to use GCC 4.6, too
# [01:41] <Waldo> dholbert: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mozilla.dev.b2g/AL_hSLK6rUY and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gecko/Building_Boot_to_Gecko and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Boot_to_Gecko/Firefox_OS_build_prerequisites say building requires 4.6.3 or older
# [01:41] <bjacob> bholley: so 'extern template' makes calls to templated code more like regular function calls! but for templated code, this creates issues that dont have an equivalent with non-templated functions, because now their code may not exist at all anywhere, if it were extern in all the TUs
# [01:41] <dholbert> Waldo, yeah (I'm building right now, had to install 4.6)
# [01:41] <Waldo> and says not to use fedora 17 because of it, apparently
# [01:41] <Waldo> which ain't gonna happen
# [01:42] <dholbert> Waldo, https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/B2G/blob/master/README.md says the same thing RE 4.6
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# [01:42] <dholbert> Waldo, Ubuntu 12.10 has 4.7 as the default compiler, but I was able to easily install & use 4.6
# [01:42] <Waldo> that's ubuntu, I'm not on ubuntu :-)
# [01:43] <dholbert> yeah, I was just giving Fedora the benefit of the doubt & assuming that it'd be equally useful :)
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# [01:44] <Waldo> I have no idea whether it's easy or not to install downrev compilers in Fedora
# [01:44] <bholley> bjacob: ok, I'm going to use #defines :P
# [01:45] <philor> RyanVM: WeirdAl wants to know whether you ever look for the checkin? flag on patches, or only for checkin-needed
# [01:45] <bjacob> bholley: remind me why you needed extern template there -- doesn't this all end up in the same binary library (libxul) anyway?
# [01:45] <bholley> bjacob: because you told me to put it there!
# [01:45] <bholley> bjacob: ;-)
# [01:45] * Waldo did compile a custom gcc once, supposes he could try doing that again, if he's motivated enough
# [01:45] <NeilAway> jfkthame: fyi hg up -C wfm for that illegal path component abort
# [01:46] <Waldo> NeilAway: which probably aliases --clean, which was raised :-)
# [01:46] <NeilAway> Waldo: oh, yeah, I just got there
# [01:46] <jfkthame> indeed
# [01:46] <RyanVM> philor: Waldo: I've occasionally done searches for checkin?, but not regularly
# [01:46] <jfkthame> thanks anyway!!
# [01:46] <RyanVM> i actually did over the weekend
# [01:46] <Waldo> WeirdAl: ^
# [01:46] <RyanVM> WeirdAl:
# [01:46] <RyanVM> fail
# [01:46] <bjacob> bjacob: let me restate my question. why are you not just putting all the code for this template in a header file?
# [01:46] <Waldo> :-D
# [01:46] <bjacob> bholley: ^
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# [01:47] <bholley> bjacob: because it's big, I guess? it predates me
# [01:47] <bjacob> bholley: my order of preference is: put all template code in header > use extern template > use macro
# [01:47] <bholley> bjacob: I'm not turning the code into a macro
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# [01:48] <bholley> bjacob: I'm just turning the typedefs into macros so that i can use the old |template class Foo;| strategy that worked
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# [01:48] <bjacob> bholley: is that header going to be used in very many cpp files? The only downside to putting a big template in a header and letting each TU recompile it is that it can add a bit to compilation times, that's it. The redundant code will be eliminated at link time.
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# [01:49] <bholley> bjacob: not too many
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# [01:50] <bholley> bjacob: anyway, this seems to work: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1940067
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# [02:14] <philor> RyanVM: 0b6b3d2856a4 / 30776e402787 failing a few reftests
# [02:15] <philor> bdahl: ^
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# [02:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e56236dfd3f - Bill McCloskey - Bug 811176 - Purge small exec pools on GC (r=njn)
# [02:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/193c590b54ef - Bill McCloskey - Bug 811553 - Only count major page faults when possible (r=terrence)
# [02:16] <RyanVM> philor: on it
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# [02:23] <philor> thx
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# [02:28] <tanvi> bz - originally, the polling and timeouts in the mochitests were what i used in bug 62178. This is because in bug 62178, sometimes a failure to receive a message meant a successful/passing test.
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# [02:29] <tanvi> In bug 803225, all of the tests that poll are meant to succeed (i.e. we dont want the timeout to expire). If we were to add a new test where we wanted a failure (like the about:config test) then we would need to poll with a max timeout
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# [02:31] <tanvi> and if(dataCount < MAX_COUNT), since the default mochitest timeout would be sufficient here for bug 803225
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# [02:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/615579ab42ff - Nathan Froyd - Bug 811419 - fix accumulation of the zero bucket in flag histograms; r=taras
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# [02:57] <felipe> ehsan: it looks like a wild "+" found its way into the Makefile on the latest push: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/8d91465ec123/browser/components/privatebrowsing/test/browser/perwindow/Makefile.in
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# [03:00] <felipe> as you marked that as dontbuild I dont know if it's important to fix now or not so I'll let you decide; otherwise I would just push a fix
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# [03:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3b2f5b980477 - Todd Whiteman - b=809601 correct drag and drop event coords when over child windows r=karlt
# [03:06] <njn> bz: if I call SetCapacity(n) on a string where |n| is smaller than the current capacity, will the buffer be shrunk?
# [03:06] <@ehsan> felipe: shoot, I'll fix it
# [03:06] <njn> bz: I'm looking at the code and I can't see where it would do that
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# [03:23] <philor> RyanVM: it's only Android, but your m-c merge had a permaorange in it
# [03:23] <RyanVM> philor: I see that
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# [03:24] <RyanVM> philor: merging it over to m-c now
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# [03:25] <philor> probably my dream tbpl that shows a graph of what's unmergeable because of backouts and fallouts and followups would just be depressing, saying that nothing's ever mergeable
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# [03:27] <@roc> are Linux Try tests super backlogged or what?
# [03:27] <philor> only 6 hours, that's not bad in the current era
# [03:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/314b42bfc87c - Rob Wood - Bug 807777 - Develop tests to verify filtering SMS messages by read/unread, update manifest; r=jgriffin
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# [03:30] <philor> where the current era is "we were short on slaves, and overloaded because when people pick a single OS they pick linux32, and then we added all of the emulator b2g tests to that same short of slaves pool"
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# [03:45] <RyanVM> philor: yeah, it would be nice if tbpl better showed a truly "PGO-green" push
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# [03:56] <@ted> man, downloading a large file is janking my windows firefox something fierce
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# [04:06] <KWierso|Home> ted: downloading or finishing a download?
# [04:06] <KWierso|Home> I've had firefox lock up while downloads are scanned
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# [04:14] <@dolske> ted: I know it was a known thing a long time ago, but I don't know if it ever got investigated/resolved
# [04:14] <@dolske> well, assuming it was just the excessive cpu thing I had seen...
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# [05:01] <philor> RyanVM: ec2 fixed all our linux builder problems except the one where it takes a while to spin up a slave, during which time we're actually more likely to coalesce builds for close-together pushes, but being able to quickly get going on builds does absolutely nothing for having test slaves available to run tests on those builds, and I don't think anybody's working too P1 on shifting tests to ec2
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# [05:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3fd41b40e88f - Mark Hammond - Bug 809274 - avoid console errors if sidebar set invisible multiple times without ever becoming visible. r=felipe
# [05:30] <markh> Ryan: when you push to aurora based on an a+ arriving, do you use the patch in the bug or export the revision that landed on m-c?
# [05:30] <markh> oops - that was meant for RyanVM
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# [05:45] <philor> I'd bet on the patch in the bug
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# [05:47] <philor> though I wouldn't be much, since the few times I've pushed for somebody, I've either started with the m-c rev, or switched to it when I discovered that the patch in the bug bore little resemblance to what landed
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# [05:50] <markh> yeah - sometimes I don't update the bug if there is a trivial conflict, for example, and I was wondering if I really should.
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# [05:51] <philor> you really should, yes
# [05:52] <philor> if you don't, you won't be the only person who doesn't, but you should be requesting approval on a patch that applies to m-a
# [05:52] <philor> hmm, [@ CoreWLAN + 0x1f933]
# [05:52] <philor> wonder where that is...
# [05:53] <philor> and mostly I wonder whether that's a plugin crash that we handle poorly, or yet another Mac slave with bad RAM
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# [05:55] <Callek> markh: whenever I push to a branch, I *always* use the thing in bug, unless I see a comment saying there were changes
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# [05:55] <Callek> markh: and many times I skip doing the landing if its not in bug, since qimportbz doesn't work as smoothly for things already landed ;-)
# [05:56] <markh> Callek: ok, thanks. So it looks like I must keep the bug up-to-date for stuff I know will be uplifted...
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# [05:56] <Callek> markh: as philor said you won't be the only one not doing so, but I highly recommend it.
# [05:56] <Callek> most of the time, if a patch doesn't apply I won't bother....
# [05:56] <Callek> since its too easy for *me* to mess up the fix in most cases
# [05:56] <Callek> while the author can fix that in seconds
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# [05:59] <markh> "seconds" needs scare quotes :) But yeah
# [06:00] <markh> I was actually surprised to see the automatic push based just on the a+ and no checkin-needed etc...
# [06:00] <markh> but it's hard to complain about people being too efficient ;)
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# [06:04] <philor> yeah, looks like he came out of it only backing out twice, not bad
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# [06:07] <markh> philor: screwed up my first direct push to aurora - forgot to qref (doh!) - so what I pushed is exactly what was just backed out. A followup is a one-linter - can I push that or should I backout and fix?
# [06:07] <philor> push it
# [06:07] <philor> also? heh.
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# [06:13] <markh> I'd also like to thank hg for not complaining during either the 'qfin' or 'push' - #ucker!
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# [06:16] <philor> hmm, did someone push "Be really slow" to inbound?
# [06:18] <philor> android reftest timeouts, which we should only get on broken slaves which those are not (known to be, yet), a Win7 chrome cascade of timing out, and a Mac talos timeout exceeded (following several Windows ones, which are less surprising)
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# [06:33] <KWierso|Home> philor: ping?
# [06:33] <philor> KWierso|Home: pong
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# [06:34] <KWierso|Home> are the jetpack failures everywhere something I should be concerned with, in your opinion?
# [06:34] <philor> yes!
# [06:34] <philor> or shall I look first?
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# [06:34] <KWierso|Home> first shows up on inbound in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&noignore=1&jobname=jetpack&rev=3da143341145
# [06:35] <KWierso|Home> but the two pushes before it did not run anything
# [06:35] <KWierso|Home> well, only ran android, apparently
# [06:35] <philor> probably was mobile/-only, then
# [06:36] <philor> till!
# [06:36] <philor> (which I mostly like saying because with this font, you can hardly tell the last four characters apart)
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# [06:38] <philor> and there he was worried about being backed out over a little 1% maxheap increase
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# [06:38] <philor> decidedly inconvenient time for him to break you
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# [06:40] <philor> KWierso|Home: I guess I'll file a bug against him, and back him out this weekend if he doesn't produce the rabbit, or the rabbit dies, or however that test works
# [06:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f2efbff15c83 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 800556; remove nsIDOMCanvasRenderingContext2D; r=Ms2ger,sr=bz
# [06:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/70859e1ddfe7 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 800556; test for mozDashOffset errors; r=Ms2ger
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# [06:42] <KWierso|Home> I'm not even sure what exactly is broke, jetpack tests are timing out before tests even start running :|
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# [06:44] <KWierso|Home> philor: cc me? :)
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# [06:48] <KWierso|Home> philor: actually, this broke us before
# [06:49] <philor> oh, did it? I've long since forgotten the ways it bounced :)
# [06:49] <KWierso|Home> bug 789117
# [06:50] <KWierso|Home> philor: tbpl actually pointed me to the bug for once :)
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# [06:51] <philor> yeah, it points to that one for every single buildbot.slave.commands.TimeoutError
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# [06:52] <KWierso|Home> but it was opened when 784294 landed last time
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# [06:52] <philor> indeed
# [06:55] <philor> good lord you have a lot of people watching your bugs
# [06:55] <KWierso|Home> hidden but not invisible :)
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# [06:55] <KWierso|Home> or something
# [06:56] <philor> added a dependency, sent mail to 4 lines of people for the jsengine, and 10 lines of people for jetpack
# [06:57] <KWierso|Home> I don't even know 3/4 of those people :|
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# [06:59] <philor> KWierso|Home: did you check that it's just test harness bustage, and not total bustage of the api? does an extension that does a lot still work on a tinderboxbuild?
# [06:59] <KWierso|Home> allow me to track down that build and see :)
# [07:00] <philor> click the B for your choice of OS, there's a "go to build directory" link in the bottom left
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# [07:02] <philor> awesome, nobody's fixed the way that when Windows times out on your tree, the slave doesn't reboot and leaves Fx running
# [07:02] <philor> so it breaks the next talos run it does
# [07:02] <philor> one more log for the backout fire
# [07:04] <KWierso|Home> I'm seeing an ominous "Timestamp: 11/13/2012 10:03:07 PM
# [07:04] <KWierso|Home> Warning: WARN addons.xpi: Exception running bootstrap method startup on jid0-QVXoZN2I0qxeM6fXf1FoJU0cO7I@jetpack: TypeError: can't convert undefined to object
# [07:04] <KWierso|Home> Source File: resource://gre/modules/XPIProvider.jsm -> jar:file:///C:/Users/KWierso/AppData/Roaming/Mozilla/Firefox/Profiles/11lq58cw.testbadfx/extensions/jid0-QVXoZN2I0qxeM6fXf1FoJU0cO7I@jetpack.xpi!/bootstrap.js -> resource://jid0-qvxozn2i0qxem6fxf1foju0co7i-at-jetpack/api-utils/lib/loader.js -> resource://jid0-qvxozn2i0qxem6fxf1foju0co7i-at-jetpack/api-utils/lib/heritage.js
# [07:04] <KWierso|Home> Line: 63" when installing an SDK addon into this tinderbox build...
# [07:04] <KWierso|Home> and Firefox crashed when going to a webpage that the extension is set to run on
# [07:04] <philor> okay, thanks, out he comes
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# [07:04] <philor> I suppose it's already merged to m-c?
# [07:04] <KWierso|Home> yes
# [07:05] <KWierso|Home> because it burned tests in the Jetpack tree
# [07:05] <philor> sleep is for the weak
# [07:05] <KWierso|Home> which I believe scrape m-c for builds
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# [07:05] <philor> yup
# [07:05] <KWierso|Home> and yep, consistent crashing when loading pages set by my addon's pagemod
# [07:06] <philor> the fun thing is, there's no way to guarantee that it won't ship in a nightly anyway
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# [07:07] <KWierso|Home> I'm normally on the elm nightlies, so I'm safe :P
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# [07:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef15df8a2e6b - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 788322. Don't crash when we drawWindow on a page containing a remote <iframe>. r=mattwoodrow
# [07:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f539adf0d8a9 - Bas Schouten - Bug 811173. Part 1: Allow nsDisplayBackgroundColor::GetBounds to enable snapping. r=roc
# [07:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99b4b950c2ce - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 811173. Part 2: Add other cases for nsDisplayItems that snap their bounds. r=mattwoodrow
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# [07:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dd68409d7810 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 3da143341145 (bug 784294) and 862f9cd7eb0b (bug 791850) for breaking Jetpack
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# [07:14] <KWierso|Home> philor: and for completeness's sake, the build from the previous push doesn't crash under the same circumstances
# [07:14] <philor> sweet
# [07:14] <KWierso|Home> well, previous push that had win opt builds created
# [07:15] <philor> buttugudda? buttugudda watches your bugs?
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# [07:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2b66b88a0b0f - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to m-i
# [07:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dd68409d7810 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 3da143341145 (bug 784294) and 862f9cd7eb0b (bug 791850) for breaking Jetpack
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# [07:20] <philor> actually, I guess there is a way, it would just probably freak too many people out: trigger a nightly on the backout, and the rev chooser won't jump back over it, so either there would be another nightly if another push landed and finished building in time, or the nightly would have built 5 hours early
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# [07:22] <philor> but I think I'll gamble on getting builds finished in less than 5 hours
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# [07:25] <KWierso|Home> not quite sure how adding myself to the cc list re-resolved that bug, philor :|
# [07:25] <philor> I blame glob, personally
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# [07:25] <KWierso|Home> worksforme
# [07:26] <glob> \o/
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# [07:26] <glob> ..wait ..a ..minute
# [07:26] <philor> probably even for the way I midaired myself, before you silently midaired the reopen
# [07:26] <glob> KWierso|Home, bug number?
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# [07:26] <philor> bug 791850
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# [07:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e813df0aca1 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 808491 - Force 3d transformed layers to always be active. r=roc
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# [07:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1cfa8c4279e5 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 810186 - Don't unnecessarily nest inactive layers. r=roc
# [07:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24c0c55af0ed - Matt Woodrow - Bug 811570 - Make the root content scroll frame inactive initially if it is overflow hidden. r=roc
# [07:27] <KWierso|Home> because I'm pretty sure I was looking at your comment that included the original re-opening when I changed the CC list :|
# [07:27] <philor> using IE10?
# [07:28] <philor> let's blame that!
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# [07:28] <KWierso|Home> no, I'm in elm nightly
# [07:29] <KWierso|Home> but maybe I did a ctrl-shift-t to reopen that tab so I could add myself?
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# [07:29] <KWierso|Home> don't remember my exact steps, but that sounds like it could screw up cache-ey things?
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# [07:30] <glob> KWierso|Home, i'm pretty sure there is some funkiness to do with bfcache and bugzilla, but i've never been able to reproduce
# [07:30] <glob> also, shouldn't the elm be a thunderbird, not firefox, branch?
# [07:30] <KWierso|Home> elm is metro firefox, last I knew
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# [07:31] <glob> KWierso|Home, it is, but it's also an email client. nevermind :)
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# [07:31] <KWierso|Home> email clients
# [07:31] <KWierso|Home> how quaint :)
# [07:33] <KWierso|Home> glob: but possible steps to reproduce would be 1. open resolved bug. 2. close that tab. 3. have bug be reopened in the interim. 4. ctrl-shift-t to bring it back, picking up the change(?). 5. hit the bug's submit button to add yourself to the CC list automagically.
# [07:33] <KWierso|Home> maybe?
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# [07:36] <glob> KWierso|Home, i get a "mid-air collision" on the status/resolution change
# [07:36] <KWierso|Home> hrm
# [07:36] <glob> ah well :)
# [07:36] <KWierso|Home> maybe step 3.5 is to do a soft refresh of the page?
# [07:37] <KWierso|Home> I really wasn't paying attention to what I was doing
# [07:37] <philor> sweet, it's not just Windows where we fail to kill Fx when we time out on Jetpack tests
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# [07:38] <KWierso|Home> it isn't?
# [07:40] <philor> nope, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=17015496&tree=Mozilla-Aurora is 10.8 talos busted by there still being a process named firefox around
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# [07:43] <KWierso|Home> philor: well, the m-c backout's coming up green for the JP tests on OSX, so at least you backed out the right thing :)
# [07:43] <philor> \o/
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# [08:00] <philor> markh: you know how you hate it when it's WinXP browser-chrome that fails? having it be Win7 is better, right?
# [08:00] <markh> philor: oh no - what broke?
# [08:01] <philor> markh: my guess is you're leaving something open over the window, maybe?
# [08:01] <markh> inbound :(
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# [08:01] <philor> oh, yeah, inbound, forgot you were on multiple trees
# [08:01] <philor> and oh, yeah, timeout, there'll be a pretty picture in the log
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# [08:02] <philor> hello+world
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# [08:02] <philor> which appears to actually be the view-source window it should be
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# [08:04] <markh> hrm - those checkins didn't touch that..
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# [08:04] <philor> yeah, I was expecting them to be after you, and not liking the way you left things
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# [08:05] <philor> doing something when a window opens, and not doing it like you thought you would when that window is view-source, or a debugger panel?
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# [08:06] <philor> not you?
# [08:06] <markh> I can't see how, but those xp boxes hate me
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# [08:07] <markh> there is about 7 tests between the last social one I see and that failure
# [08:07] <philor> sure - if it had been xp, I would have already backed you out, but this is 7
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# [08:07] <markh> are even :)
# [08:07] <markh> oh
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# [08:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fdc8ef449613 - Joey Blacksmith - Bug 801356 - LeafAccessible needs to override Append/InsertChild, r=surkov, f=tbsaunde
# [08:07] <philor> we'll be seeing xp somewhere above, maybe five pushes, maybe seven
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# [08:08] <philor> well, 3 claims it's running there, but running lies
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# [08:09] <philor> does every window of every sort have a socialchat in it?
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# [08:10] <philor> or is that a window, rather than a sidebar?
# [08:10] <markh> while social is enabled, yeah - but we disable social after our tests
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# [08:10] <markh> it's a sidebar plus a few panels - but they are all nuked as we finalize each test (in theory obviously)
# [08:11] <markh> so the first 2 failures in that log are all about windows not closing it seems.
# [08:11] <markh> TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | chrome://mochitests/content/browser/toolkit/components/viewsource/test/browser/browser_viewsourceprefs_nonhtml.js | No remaining view source windows still open
# [08:11] <markh> and the screenshot clearly shows it is still open. Next one is
# [08:11] <markh> TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | chrome://mochitests/content/browser/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/browser-window/browser_bug562797.js | Found unexpected add-ons manager window still open
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# [08:13] <markh> that's the opt failure. debug failure looks completely different :(
# [08:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c61e84effb7b - Ehsan Akhgari - Fix an initialization order warning in nsDocShell.cpp, no bug
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# [08:20] <markh> well - I sure can't see how it is me, but you need to do what you need to do :)
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# [08:21] <philor> yeah, but I'm still on the hook for m-c, so I can't go to bed yet
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# [08:22] <philor> one on the next push, on a different slave
# [08:22] <philor> personally, I find that green one on WinXP the most amazing ;)
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# [08:24] <markh> the debug failures are the same, so yeah, not looking good
# [08:25] <KWierso|Home> philor: orange "JP" on assorted linux platforms is expected (or at least known), fyi
# [08:25] <philor> KWierso|Home: oh, is it linux? I thought it was debug
# [08:25] <philor> um, I mean, "yeah, I know"
# [08:26] <KWierso|Home> it's somewhere with Linux Opt, Linux64 opt, and Linux64 debug
# [08:26] <KWierso|Home> not always all of them
# [08:26] <KWierso|Home> and I don't think I've seen Linux debug go orange yet
# [08:27] <KWierso|Home> I lied
# [08:27] <KWierso|Home> it's all linux
# [08:27] <KWierso|Home> at various times
# [08:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5a2f571e1f6d - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 3fd41b40e88f (bug 809274) and 22e38380a161 (Bug 804591) for Win7 browser-chrome timeouts
# [08:27] <KWierso|Home> yay race conditions!
# [08:27] <KWierso|Home> or something
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# [08:29] <philor> markh: if those two aren't interdependent, what I'd do if I were you is wait 30 minutes or so, to be sure there'll be a backout run that in theory ought to be green, and then reland the less likely of the two unlikelies
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# [08:30] <markh> philor: yeah, thanks.
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# [08:35] <philor> The following tests failed:
# [08:35] <philor> WARNING: NS_ENSURE_SUCCESS(rv, false) failed with result 0x8000FFFF: file ../../../../content/base/src/nsContentUtils.cpp, line 2991
# [08:35] <philor> well-played, Gecko!
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# [08:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/951697d19ced - Mike Hommey - Bug 811214 - Fix build failure in SpdySession3.cpp with clang 3.1. r=mcmanus
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# [08:53] <KWierso|Home> philor: and manual confirmation that the builds from your backout do not crash with my addon :)
# [08:53] <philor> victory is ours!
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# [08:55] <KWierso|Home> philor: looking good to get this in for the nightly?
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# [08:56] <philor> KWierso|Home: when is 3am, how is more complicated - it looks for the last push which has finished, without red, the equivalent build for every platform it's scheduling
# [08:57] <philor> which maybe means I should have triggered PGO, instead of waiting for the round that will start in 3 minutes, not sure
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# [08:57] <philor> but yeah, probably, no real reason why it shouldn't be the nightly rev
# [08:57] <KWierso|Home> k
# [08:58] <KWierso|Home> I'll avoid shouting in the mozillazine nightly thread about jetpack addons being broken :)
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# [09:00] <philor> wish I overlapped more with more of Europe
# [09:00] <philor> edmorley in particular
# [09:01] <KWierso|Home> no sleep for the wicked
# [09:01] <KWierso|Home> or at least until brooklyn wakes up :)
# [09:01] <philor> since if the rev chooser does make a bad life decision, it's simple enough to kill those nightlies and trigger where they should be
# [09:01] <glob> philor, where be yee? (US/eastern?)
# [09:01] <philor> Pacific
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# [09:02] <philor> I have heard there's some sort of electronic equivalent of mail, where it's sort of like you're talking to someone on IRC but they don't answer for several hours, but I'm not sure how to use it
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# [09:04] <mjrosenb> sort of like you're talking to someone on IRC but they don't
# [09:04] <mjrosenb> answer for several hours
# [09:04] <mjrosenb> how is that different from IRC
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# [09:05] <Callek> philor: if you ever figure out what that alernative for IRC is -- let me know
# [09:05] <philor> there is that
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# [09:06] <glob> i think it's the telegraph stop
# [09:09] <darktrojan> what is this sorcery?
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# [09:14] <philor> okay, that's enough fun for one day
# [09:15] <gcp> bug 803039 should probably be backed out?
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# [09:24] <whimboo> welcome everyone to our automation testday!
# [09:24] <whimboo> ups
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# [09:24] <whimboo> wrong channel :)
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# [09:29] <Callek> whimboo: I see how it is, none of us here are welcome! :(
# [09:29] * Callek sulks away in teh corner
# [09:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1f4efbfc4e9c - calbld - Added tag CALENDAR_1_9_BUILD1 for changeset THUNDERBIRD_17_0b3_RELEASE. CLOSED TREE a=release
# [09:30] <whimboo> Callek: heh, you are all welcome. Feel free to join us in #testday
# [09:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/215fbb3f0fa5 - calbld - Added tag CALENDAR_1_9_RELEASE for changeset THUNDERBIRD_17_0b3_RELEASE. CLOSED TREE a=release
# [09:30] <Callek> nope too late, you hurt my feelings :-)
# [09:31] <whimboo> Callek: damn. what can I do to unhurt them?
# [09:32] <Callek> whimboo: use your magic to make our tegras and pandas completely stable
# [09:32] <Callek> :-)
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# [09:33] <KWierso|Home> also, I could use some cake :)
# [09:34] <whimboo> Callek: i'm here to break stuff. :) So I would try to find even more issues which need to be fixed by devs
# [09:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/250576c9698e - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 802510 - Reset position on the thumbnail data buffer to the beginning before reading out of it. r=blassey
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# [09:36] <Callek> whimboo: the tegras and pandas, not really much fixable by devs, its the type of hardware....
# [09:36] <Callek> flakey is an understatement
# [09:36] <Callek> ... just ask philor|away :-)
# [09:37] <whimboo> Callek: i'm not really involved into that, so i have to trust your judgement. but sounds like pain.
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# [09:37] <KWierso|Home> I wish I could just choose to not work as often as the tegras :)
# [09:37] <Callek> whimboo: [sorry I've been mostly joking since I saw your chan mistake, don't let me actually derail you from driving a testday if there are people really there]
# [09:38] <whimboo> Callek: not really yet. just trying to get it started
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# [09:51] <glazou> bonjour
# [09:52] <KWierso|Home> and that's my cue!
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# [09:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24b745c02ce7 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 809021 - Fix FastInvoke arguments length. r=dvander
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# [10:02] <Wusel_> What's the best way to save some settings and preferences in my own thunderbird extension?
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# [10:03] <glazou> Services.prefs ?
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# [10:10] <glazou> Unfocused: yt?
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# [10:10] <Wusel_> glazou: I don't know ;)
# [10:11] <Wusel_> is this page still uptodate? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XUL_School/Handling_Preferences
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# [10:11] <glazou> see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript_code_modules/Services.jsm?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=JavaScript%2FCode_modules%2FServices.jsm
# [10:13] <Wusel_> ok thx
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# [10:14] <IanN> what governs the path style that is used to find files on Windows? i.e. whether an app uses 8.3 format or long file/folder names?
# [10:16] <Wusel_> glazou: but I can still follow these snippets? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Code_snippets/Preferences
# [10:17] <glazou> Wusel_: oh sure, but using Services.jsm will simplify that code, replacing the call to getService()
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# [10:17] <Wusel_> ah i see :)
# [10:19] <Wusel_> well one last question: how do I see this preferences-window? in ff it's just about:config
# [10:19] <NeilAway> glob: *groans
# [10:19] <glazou> ?
# [10:19] <glazou> I don't understand the question
# [10:20] <glob|away> NeilAway, ?
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# [10:20] <NeilAway> glob|away: elm
# [10:20] <glob|away> ah :)
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# [10:21] <NeilAway> philor|away: Memoserv?
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# [10:22] <Wusel_> in firefox, the page that's shown when I type "about:config"
# [10:22] <Wusel_> where is it in thunderbird?
# [10:22] <KWierso|Home> Under Help or Tools, IIRC
# [10:23] <NeilAway> it's hidden under tools/options somewhere
# [10:23] <NeilAway> labelled "config editor"
# [10:23] <glandium> NeilAway: isn't that an addon?
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# [10:23] <KWierso|Home> tools options advanced general
# [10:23] <KWierso|Home> Wusel_: ^
# [10:23] <Wusel_> ah I got it
# [10:23] <Wusel_> ;D
# [10:23] <Wusel_> thx
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# [11:18] <Callek> ewong|away: !!!! I should have asked edmorley if he saw the issue, can you dupe our bug over to 774844
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# [11:51] <edmorley> Callek: take it you've been getting the same problem on seamonkey?
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# [11:51] <Callek> edmorley: yea we just recently noticed the problem, and its more common with us
# [11:51] <Callek> I *suspect* we're just hitting more test-related leaks
# [11:52] <Callek> I suspected a very recent patch that touched leakstats code (the NO_NSPR_10 stuff) but given the timeframe on your bug, thats not it
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# [11:53] <Callek> yea I asked a handful of people if they ever saw it before -- you were not one of them
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# [11:55] <Callek> :-)
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# [12:03] <Wusel_> is there a guide, how to use var prefsService = Services.prefs; ?
# [12:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7ebfa541fb86 - Hannes Verschore - Bug 809485: Don't stop at resumepoints in edgecase analysis, r=dvander
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# [12:23] <ttaubert> Yoric: pong
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# [12:24] <Yoric> ttaubert: Hi, I'm continuing bug 532150.
# [12:24] <Yoric> I have some oranges on browser_248970_a.js
# [12:24] <Yoric> ...and I have no clue _why_ that test should work at all.
# [12:25] <Yoric> I am thinking about test "outside private browsing - sessionStore.js timestamp has not changed".
# [12:25] <Yoric> Do you know why this test hasn't oranged already?
# [12:25] <Yoric> Wusel_: Take a look at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript_code_modules/Services.jsm
# [12:26] <ttaubert> Yoric: let me take a look at that
# [12:26] <Yoric> ttaubert: Thanks.
# [12:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9aa8cde94e2f - Gina Yeh - Bug 811196 - Patch 1: Cannot receive call status change from RIL, r=echou
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# [12:31] <ttaubert> Yoric: so this test wants to make sure that no writes happen while we're in PB mode, right?
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# [12:34] <Yoric> ttaubert: I think so.
# [12:35] <Yoric> However, with async I/O, I have no clue how this can be made certain.
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# [12:42] <ttaubert> Yoric: the test removes the file before entering PB mode and forces SS to write the file. so I *think* there shouldn't be any further writes to it
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# [12:44] <Yoric> However, with async writes, the file could be written by SessionStore between both operations.
# [12:44] <Yoric> At least with OMT I/O.
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# [12:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/22360b84eb87 - Yuan Xulei - Bug 796365 - Treat contenteditable as a special text field to bring up the keyboard. r=vingtetun a=blocking-basecamp
# [12:47] <ttaubert> Yoric: so we'd need to wait until the write has finished before entering PB?
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# [12:48] <Yoric> At least in the test, yes.
# [12:48] <Yoric> At least, that's how I understand it.
# [12:48] <ttaubert> yeah, not in the real world
# [12:49] <NeilAway> glob: default quicksearch when not logged in still includes comments right?
# [12:49] <glob> NeilAway, yes :( oh the debates. you can exclude them from your query with --comments
# [12:49] <Yoric> Now, this means that we need some kind of signal when session store write is complete.
# [12:49] <Yoric> I don't think we have this yet.
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# [12:50] <NeilAway> glob: ah yes, that improved the query from "make a cup of tea" to "83 bugs found"
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# [12:58] <ttaubert> Yoric: sessionstore-state-write-complete?
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# [13:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed7d7f513ce9 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 807280 - Use LruCache from Android's Support Library (r=mfinkle)
# [13:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3486aec9181e - Lucas Rocha - Bug 810246 - Protect against invalid images when setting favicons in toolbar (r=mfinkle)
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# [13:18] <Yoric> ttaubert: Ah, my bad.
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# [13:26] <evilpie> ttaubert: you surely have experience with testing UIs in firefox, right?
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# [13:36] <ttaubert> evilpie: some, yeah :)
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# [13:36] <@ted> KWierso|Home: jank while downloading
# [13:37] <@ted> i profiled it
# [13:37] <ttaubert> evilpie: (btw, congrats to your internship. that's awesome :)
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# [13:40] <evilpie> ttaubert: yeah thank you
# [13:41] <evilpie> ttaubert: can we discuss something over skype?
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# [13:43] <ttaubert> evilpie: yeah, now?
# [13:43] <evilpie> yes
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# [13:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fc1684f4d3a9 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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# [13:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e902df61b34e - Panos Astithas - Bug 795969 - Promote list of pause actors at once; r=rcampbell f=jimb
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# [13:50] <Yoric> ttaubert: Actually, I misunderstood the test.
# [13:51] <mcsmurf> hi, someone happens to know a bit about how nsIChromeRegistry->getSelectedLocale is supposed to be called?
# [13:51] <mcsmurf> I found out that a SeaMonkey test is failing due to dom/apps/src/AppsUtils.jsm calling it this way:
# [13:51] <mcsmurf> chrome.getSelectedLocale("browser").toLowerCase();
# [13:52] <Yoric> ttaubert: The problem seems to be related to the granularity of file system "last modified date".
# [13:52] <Yoric> I wonder why this never showed up.
# [13:52] <mcsmurf> all other calls to getSelectedLocale seem to use "global" there instead, at least in non app-specific code
# [13:52] <Yoric> mmmmhhh.... or maybe not
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# [13:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee43eefa90ea - Honza Bambas - Bug 734062 - Followup: fixed unused varialble use, r=joedrew
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# [14:05] <mcsmurf> filed Bug 811693 on the getSelectedChrome bug (at least I think it's a bug)
# [14:05] <mcsmurf> err getSelectedLocale I mean
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# [15:48] <@smaug> why do we have so many similar package-manifest.in files
# [15:48] <@smaug> I mean the contents of them are mostly the same
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# [15:49] <lduros> hi, is it possible to build Firefox without all the CAs that ship with it?
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# [15:53] <KaiRo> smaug: yes, the efforts to merge their genric core/toolkit parts never got anywhere :(
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# [15:54] <gaston> lduros: why, they're not free enough for the fsf ? :)
# [15:54] <no_gravity> Hello! I just noticed, that I didnt uncheck the "keep messages on this computer" under server settings and now thunderbird takes up 3.5 G on my disk. Does it mirror my whole imap data? And how do I get rid of it now?
# [15:54] <jcranmer|away> espindola: ping
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# [15:55] <no_gravity> Can I simply delete everything in directory "ImapMail"?
# [15:55] <espindola> jcranmer|away, pong
# [15:55] <espindola> away? :-)
# [15:55] <jcranmer|away> espindola: at a conference, actually
# [15:55] <jcranmer|away> with crappy wifi
# [15:55] <espindola> ah
# [15:55] <jcranmer|away> espindola: I was wondering if you can look at fixing http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=14060 ?
# [15:56] <espindola> jcranmer|away, that is from building firefox? Sure, I can take a look
# [15:56] <glazou> smaug: thanks for the backout bug, I'll have a fix ready soon
# [15:57] <@smaug> glazou: thanks
# [15:57] <jcranmer|away> espindola: it seems to be from a lot of random programs, actually
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# [15:57] <@smaug> glazou: I want to get still feedback from ehsan
# [15:57] <glazou> sure
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# [15:59] <lduros> gaston: No, someone is just asking
# [15:59] <lduros> gaston: I can see where they are located in the source, but there might be a cleaner way to take them out
# [16:00] <whimboo> Hi! Today we have a testday for WebAPI and WebRTC automated testing. If you are interested please join us in #testday.
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# [16:04] <lduros> gaston: someone asks me, I don't know the answer, so I ask you
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# [16:05] <@bsmedberg> AaronMT: how do you know that bug 811711 is a dup of the other one? There doesn't appear to be enough information.
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# [16:06] <lduros> gaston: I guess someone can just edit security/nss/lib/ckfw/builtins/certdata.txt
# [16:07] <gaston> yes, and run gmake generate in that dir
# [16:07] <gaston> the actual certs end up in certdata.c which is generated from that file
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# [16:08] <gw280> has anyone else noticed lately that typing into firefox loses keystrokes?
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# [16:12] <Yoric> ttaubert: Turns out that the test already failed before my intervention, I will not try and resolve it just yet.
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# [16:16] <ttaubert> Yoric: good choice
# [16:16] <Yoric> So, back to Gavin's remark in bug 532150.
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# [16:20] <gaston> lduros: in the past i hand edited certdata.c, and it was painful. make generate is very helpful.
# [16:21] <glazou> smaug: backout patch attached
# [16:21] <@smaug> glazou: do you have access to tryserver?
# [16:21] <glazou> no
# [16:21] <@smaug> if so, could you push the patch to try
# [16:21] <@smaug> ah, k
# [16:21] <@smaug> I'll push it to try soonish once I have a clean tree
# [16:21] <glazou> thanks smaug
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# [16:27] <@smaug> surkov: I hope removing XTF is ok to you
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# [16:28] <@smaug> imphil: thanks for commenting
# [16:28] <surkov> smaug: I trust Philipp here
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# [16:29] * @smaug needs to remove the first C++ code he wrote for Gecko - XML Events
# [16:29] <imphil> surkov, smaug of course it's only my own opinion, but I personally don't see a way or reason to go forward with xforms.
# [16:30] <imphil> smaug, seems you have been with the mozilla for too long :)
# [16:30] <surkov> so am I
# [16:30] <@smaug> imphil: too long? no no
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# [16:31] <imphil> smaug, ;)
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# [16:31] <surkov> smaug: so we need to remove a11y support then
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# [16:32] <@smaug> surkov: yeah
# [16:32] <surkov> ok
# [16:32] <devd> where can I see the HSTS preload list? I don't understand why I am seeing a over-ridable error for mail.google.com
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# [16:35] <lduros> just to make sure: DOMParser.parseFromString() will parse HTML or XHTML, but what does it do exactly when there's an iframe in there? Will it create a request for the src url and load the iframe contents?
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# [16:37] <lduros> hmm looks like this bug report is related: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325005
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# [16:41] <jdm> glob: \o/
# [16:41] <jdm> I just saw that push was pushed
# [16:41] <jdm> any idea of the timeframe for pulse integration?
# [16:41] <Yoric> ttaubert: So, one thing I am trying to understand. Why do we have nsSessionStore.js and SessionStore.jsm?
# [16:41] <Yoric> Can I add, say, a promise to SessionStore.jsm to wait until initialization is complete before proceeding with e.g. doRestore?
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# [16:42] <glob> jdm, not as yet, no. sorry :(
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# [16:44] <ttaubert> Yoric: so the code used to be all in nsSessionStore.js and we moved it to a JSM so that it's easier to refactor and test
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# [16:45] <ttaubert> Yoric: or did you mean nsSessionStartup?
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# [16:47] <@smaug> ted: ping
# [16:48] <@smaug> thanks Ms2ger
# [16:48] <@smaug> hopefully ted knows the answer
# [16:48] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [16:48] <@ted> smaug: pong
# [16:49] <@smaug> ted: when removing an .xpt from packages-manifest file, should that .xpt be added to some removed-files file ?
# [16:49] <@ted> no, that doesn't matter
# [16:49] <@ted> we only ship one combined .xpt file
# [16:49] <@smaug> ah, ok, good
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# [16:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b18ea5417903 - Ted Mielczarek - bug 809693 - fix minidump location for WebRTC C++ unit tests. r=ekr
# [16:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3c17914da5d6 - Ted Mielczarek - bug 811370 - runcppunittests doesn't handle hangs gracefully. r=ahal
# [16:53] <glandium> ted: one more reason for removed-files to be generated ;)
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# [16:54] <@ted> yeah
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# [16:54] <@ted> it's pretty horrible
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# [16:54] <@ted> not that maintaining the package manifest isn't horrible too
# [16:54] <@ted> i would love to get rid of that
# [16:55] <@ted> only put the stuff we intend to ship in dist/bin
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# [16:55] <glandium> ted: that's pretty long term ; on shorter term, the new packager will make things easier.
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# [16:56] <@ted> that's good to hear
# [16:56] <@ted> glandium: i dunno, it should be pretty doable
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# [16:56] <@ted> my new C++ unit test runner runs the tests from where they're built, not dist/bin
# [16:57] <@ted> anything else that expects to be building test components and using them in unit tests etc already has to deal with test packaging
# [16:57] <glandium> ted: the problem is we never nuke dist/bin
# [16:57] <glandium> remove something, and it's there forever
# [16:57] <glandium> until next clobber, that is
# [16:57] <jdm> firebot: uuid
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# [16:58] <Yoric> ttaubert: Well, I am going to have the same question for sessionstartup, too.
# [16:58] <Yoric> But is SessionStore.jsm a public API?
# [16:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/414ca3fc8e99 - Peter Van der Beken - Add testcase from bug 811226.
# [16:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/54c4f2ff78e3 - Peter Van der Beken - Fix for bug 807075 (New DOM binding APIs for HTMLElement). r=bz.
# [16:58] <@ted> glandium: true
# [16:58] <@ted> we'd have to solve that
# [16:59] <glandium> ted: which won't be solved until the build system is ready for it
# [16:59] <@ted> i think we'll have to solve that for tup
# [16:59] <@ted> (or maybe tup solves that, not sure)
# [17:00] <@ted> glandium: i guess that's only really a problem for our dep builds
# [17:00] <@ted> but it would be pretty crappy
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# [17:01] <Yoric> ttaubert: So, would it be acceptable for me to add a new field (namely a promise) in |SessionStore| and use it from nsBrowserContentHandler.js by importing SessionStore.jsm?
# [17:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d391f23c422 - Josh Matthews - Bug 804655 - Part 2: Wrap up interface aggregator callbacks with a target thread on which they should be released. r=mayhemer
# [17:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2bc1812f87c8 - Josh Matthews - Bug 804655 - Part 1: Make updating an nsHttpChannel's loadgroup/callbacks update those of its transaction and connection as well. r=mayhemer
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# [17:03] <edmorley> ted: tup solves that aiui
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# [17:03] <@ted> well
# [17:03] <@ted> i think technically it requires you to solve it
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# [17:04] <@ted> but yeah
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# [17:10] <ttaubert> Yoric: this sounds... interesting. I think this sounds feasible?
# [17:11] <Yoric> Technically, that's no problem.
# [17:11] <Yoric> The question is whether this would be acceptable.
# [17:11] <Yoric> For the moment, I am adding a nsISessionStartup2.idl
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# [17:12] <ttaubert> Yoric: I think importing the JSM is preferrable
# [17:12] <Yoric> ok
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# [17:12] <ttaubert> Yoric: kind of depends on how many places will make use of it
# [17:13] <Yoric> I don't know.
# [17:13] <ttaubert> if it's worth to change the interface for it
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# [17:15] <Yoric> Ok, then let's give it a go with the jsm.
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# [17:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/87928cd21b40 - Ed Morley - Merge last PGO-green changeset of mozilla-inbound to mozilla-central
# [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc1684f4d3a9 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e902df61b34e - Panos Astithas - Bug 795969 - Promote list of pause actors at once; r=rcampbell f=jimb
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# [17:23] <mbrubeck> I'm getting really bad UI hangs (sometimes >1minute) in Windows nightly for the last 2-3 days at least. Anyone know a bug # offhand before I go investigating further?
# [17:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e854c407aaa - Lucas Rocha - Bug 811654 - Make AllPagesTab's destroy() idempotent (r=mfinkle)
# [17:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b9a7dc96bf7c - Jim Mathies - Bug 810609 - Fix for bad resource path in test_phonenumber.xul. r=anygregor
# [17:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/af7879e33517 - Jim Mathies - Bug 810704 - Fixup misc. toolkit resource path issues. r=mak77
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# [17:27] <edmorley> I'm trying to check some test harness changes fix problems with detecting shutdown crashes (particularly on Android)
# [17:27] <edmorley> as such, I'm trying to deliberately cause shutdown crashes on all platforms, in all testsuites
# [17:27] <edmorley> my initial attempts at doing so in nsXPCOMGlue.cpp haven't caused a shutdown crash on android - does anyone have any suggestions for where a better place to try would be?
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# [17:28] <edmorley> s/shutdown crash/shutdown crash that results in a successful .dmp/
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# [17:29] <jdm> edmorley: I suspect nsAppRunner.cpp, or nsXPCOMInit.cpp
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# [17:29] <Yoric> ttaubert: Actually, handling nsIBrowserHandler will be a tad difficult.
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# [17:34] <froydnj> ted: bunch of money from google
# [17:35] <edmorley> ha
# [17:35] <@ted> heyo
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# [17:37] <_AxS__> froydnj: heh. it'd be nice to -think- that it's an improvement, but...
# [17:39] <jimm> does try server support pushes from project repos?
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# [17:42] <edmorley> jimm: yes, but you won't have any of the buildbot customisations you might have present on your project repo for the Try run
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# [17:43] <jimm> edmorley: I think all the original buildbot stuff we had to do has been removed, aside from the custom builders we have configured.
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# [17:44] <jimm> but once the 8.0 sdk gets our to our normal builders we should be good.
# [17:44] <jimm> edmorley: would a push from elm to try have to send all elm history, or is there some way to get try to clone elm?
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# [17:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0a74ea50bc4 - Justin Lebar - Bug 807143 - Enable image locking on B2G. r=joe
# [17:45] <edmorley> jimm: you would have to send all of the history
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# [17:45] <jimm> ugh
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# [17:45] <jimm> :) that might not be good
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# [17:49] <@bsmedberg> glandium: ELF is really broken enough that it doesn't share data relocations across processes?
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# [17:50] <_AxS__> bsmedberg: data relocations across processes?
# [17:50] <glandium> bsmedberg: how do you share data relocations with aslr?
# [17:50] <bz_sleep> Hmm
# [17:50] <bz_sleep> Should I stay out of inbound for now?
# [17:50] <@bsmedberg> glandium: ASLR is per-startup on Windows
# [17:51] <@bsmedberg> so if there aren't conflicts within the process already, all xul.dll load at the same address
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# [17:51] <glandium> bsmedberg: that would kind of be equivalent to prelinking, then
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# [17:51] <@bsmedberg> ok
# [17:51] <@bsmedberg> glandium: are we going to have prelinking for B2G? I don't think I understand the comments in the xptinfo bug
# [17:52] <@bsmedberg> or should we maybe just stop using ELF on B2G and using something more PE-like? ;-)
# [17:52] <glandium> bsmedberg: turns out we are going to (bug 811671)
# [17:52] <glandium> bsmedberg: i doubt this has anything to do with the binary format
# [17:52] <@bsmedberg> ok
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# [17:53] <glandium> that is, switching to PE would change nothing, if the linker works the same way
# [17:53] <@bsmedberg> I still think in-place relocations (a la PE) are in general better than GOT-based relocations in general
# [17:53] <glandium> and if the linker can be changed for PE, it can be changed for ELF
# [17:53] <Yoric> ttaubert: It doesn't look like I can replace doRestore without reimplementing all the clients of nsBrowserContentHandler.js/nsIBrowserHandler – including some weird recursive dependency in nsSessionStartup.js and nsSessionStore.js
# [17:53] <@bsmedberg> maybe we can get that by just not using -fPIC ?
# [17:53] <_AxS__> no -fPIC means no relocations at all, doesn't it?
# [17:53] <glandium> bsmedberg: non-PIC is actually worse
# [17:54] <@bsmedberg> why?
# [17:54] <glandium> bsmedberg: because you end up with much more relocations
# [17:54] <@bsmedberg> only if you don't load at the preferred address...
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# [17:54] <@bsmedberg> although I guess ASLR forces that on you
# [17:54] <@bsmedberg> Does Windows startup notice that?
# [17:55] <glandium> bsmedberg: relocations are slow, too (on slow devices)
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# [18:00] <ttaubert> Yoric: hm :( looks like they all depend on the old sync behavior
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# [18:00] <Yoric> ttaubert: Looks so.
# [18:00] <Yoric> This makes sense, but this is pretty annoying.
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# [18:05] <Yoric> ttaubert: Plus there are at least three live add-ons that make use of synchronous doRestore.
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# [18:07] <Yoric> Make that 10.
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# [18:09] <Yoric> ttaubert: I see two possible strategies. Either add a nested event loop (ugly!) or add a synchronous fallback (ugly, too!) and hope that we do not hit it too often.
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# [18:09] <Yoric> Or I could try and contact all add-on authors.
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# [18:18] <ttaubert> Yoric: maybe provide some kind of fallback if possible? for some time
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# [18:19] <Yoric> My experience in writing fallbacks is pretty discouraging.
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# [18:19] <Yoric> I mean, it is possible, but time- and code-consuming.
# [18:19] <ttaubert> yeah...
# [18:19] <Yoric> And unreviewed so far :)
# [18:19] <ttaubert> I mean three add-ons doesn't sound too bad
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# [18:20] <Pike> can I add more receiver of web worker messages without overwriting onmessage?
# [18:20] <Yoric> ttaubert: Actually, that was 10 :)
# [18:21] <Yoric> :/
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# [18:21] <ttaubert> Yoric: hm :/ but I think those are changes that are worth it in the long run
# [18:21] <Yoric> Definitely.
# [18:21] <ttaubert> SessionStore is old and clunky
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# [18:21] <ttaubert> and has still a lot of its old add-on structure
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# [18:22] <ttaubert> Pike: just attach a function that distributes the message. not really cool, though
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# [18:23] <Yoric> So, without add-ons, it is my understanding that the fallback would only be called after a "milestone upgrade", which I assume is now a version upgrade.
# [18:23] <Yoric> So, in terms of performances, this would be acceptable.
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# [18:25] <Yoric> ttaubert: I am just worried about the code becoming even harder to read and maintain than it is atm.
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# [18:27] <armenzg> can someone with a Windows machine due me a small favour?
# [18:27] <armenzg> Could you try downloading this file and generating a StandaloneSDK? http://download.microsoft.com/download/F/1/3/F1300C9C-A120-4341-90DF-8A52509B23AC/standalonesdk/sdksetup.exe
# [18:27] <armenzg> I'm getting this from within the Build network http://cl.ly/Kt8M
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# [18:28] <Mossop> armenzg: That link doesn't work for me
# [18:28] <armenzg> Mossop: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/hh852363.aspx
# [18:28] <armenzg> there is a download button there
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# [18:29] <Mossop> Strange, doesn'
# [18:29] <Mossop> t work either
# [18:29] <armenzg> really?
# [18:29] <armenzg> I just loaded the page
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# [18:30] <Yoric> Mossop: wfm
# [18:30] <armenzg> there is something finicky going on
# [18:31] <Yoric> ttaubert: Well, I guess I will get started with writing a fallback tomorrow.
# [18:31] <Yoric> sigh
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# [18:34] <padenot> baku: ping
# [18:34] <baku> padenot, pong
# [18:35] <padenot> baku: I see you need info about the media code for bug 805333
# [18:35] <baku> right
# [18:35] <padenot> baku: shoot :-)
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# [18:36] <baku> we want to pause the media element
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# [18:36] <baku> but right now my patch mutes it.
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# [18:36] <baku> question is: how to pause it properly? without calling Pause() ?
# [18:36] <padenot> why don't you want to call Pause()
# [18:36] <baku> we want to... somehow stop the stream
# [18:37] <baku> because we don't want to let the user know what we are doing.
# [18:37] <padenot> alright
# [18:37] <baku> what we are implementing is an audio controller
# [18:37] <baku> so that, when an app is not on display
# [18:37] <baku> it's muted/paused
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# [18:38] <baku> but this operation should be 'invisible' for the developer
# [18:38] <padenot> that is, you don't want |paused| to be true and you don't want to send the event?
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# [18:38] <baku> yes, it is.
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# [18:38] <padenot> what do you mean?
# [18:39] <baku> I don't want |paused| to be true and I don't want to send the event :)
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# [18:39] <padenot> okay
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# [18:40] <baku> for muting, this is easy. I just added a new boolean |mozMuted| and I combine it with the muted set by js.
# [18:40] <padenot> and where do you want to do that from?
# [18:40] <padenot> js, C++, which class/thread?
# [18:40] <baku> C++ nsHTMLMediaElement
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# [18:41] <padenot> cool
# [18:41] <padenot> main thread, then
# [18:41] <baku> yep
# [18:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1c61f7f31bed - ffxbld - Added FENNEC_17_0b6_RELEASE FENNEC_17_0b6_BUILD2 tag(s) for changeset eba2b989092a. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
# [18:41] <philor> uh oh
# [18:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/11b76ebcd3c2 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 808875 - Fix unused variable warning in file_util_posix.cc. r=mwu
# [18:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de3ede8ff84d - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 808875 - Fix unused variable warning in Assembler-arm.cpp. r=mjrosenb
# [18:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/70e8cf8dd277 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 808875 - Fix unused variable warnings in nsAppRunner.cpp. r=bsmedberg
# [18:42] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=17032046&tree=Mozilla-Beta - did some built-in cert just expire?
# [18:43] <padenot> I would create a PauseInternal() method or the like that does not send the event, and use that, and make the Pause() method call it
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# [18:44] <baku> ok...but what about if the page calls Play() then?
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# [18:44] <baku> is it enough a boolean to avoid calling Play() if the pause() has been called by the audio channel service?
# [18:44] <bz> edmorley: ping
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# [18:45] <padenot> if we do that, we should make it clear that that can happen
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# [18:46] <padenot> but then again, it is not in the spec, iirc
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# [18:47] <padenot> it would be easy enough dor the author to check that, though
# [18:47] <padenot> for*
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# [18:48] <baku> maybe the mute is good enough..
# [18:48] <padenot> I don't like the mute approach, it breaks a lot of use cases
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# [18:48] <padenot> like podcasts, audio books
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# [18:49] <baku> technically I don't know why Robert suggested to use pause.
# [18:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e1d323329851 - Olli Pettay - Bug 800947, check the existence of widget only when the event is actually nsGUIEvent, r=bz
# [18:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6ffdbb94c3cc - Olli Pettay - Bug 810793 - nsXULTemplateQueryProcessorXML::GetDatasource should pass outer window to nsIXMLHttpRequest::Init, r=sicking
# [18:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/844b16d03724 - William Lachance - Bug 811388 - Update mozdevice to 0.15, update consumers;r=ahal
# [18:49] <baku> hold on... these apps should have an event listener
# [18:49] <baku> for mozvisibilitychange event
# [18:50] <baku> with this they can stop themselves
# [18:50] <baku> and acutally the current implementation dispatches an event (mozpaused/mozmuted)
# [18:51] <baku> when we mute/pause a media element
# [18:51] <mjrosenb> so, we have metro builds of Fx, are there any plans to build for the surface?
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# [18:51] <padenot> so we would ask for the developer to pause the elements themselves
# [18:52] <baku> we do that, and we dispatch the event.
# [18:52] <baku> just to inform.
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# [18:52] <KWierso|Home> mjrosenb: the surface (rt variety, at least) restricts APIs that third parties can access in a similar fashion to iOS, making the creation of a competitive browser difficult
# [18:52] <baku> now everything is implemented using 'mute'. I want to convert it using pause.
# [18:53] <mjrosenb> KWierso|Home: iirc, we can't ship a jit
# [18:53] <mjrosenb> but we can disable our jits, and ship what is left over.
# [18:53] <baku> if you want, my patch is attached to the bug
# [18:54] <KWierso|Home> mjrosenb: you could ask in #windev, but I don't believe there's any plans for a windows rt browser at this point
# [18:54] <KWierso|Home> (I say, not having been part of any discussions on that)
# [18:54] <padenot> baku: yeah, I read it
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# [18:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/850c0b306b6e - Bobby Holley - Bug 800915 - Reimplement PUNCTURE consumers in terms of isSafeToUnwrap() and remove PUNCTURE API. r=mrbkap
# [18:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9353f2e3d50 - Bobby Holley - Bug 800915 - Add infrastructure to flag security wrappers as unsafe to unwrap. r=mrbkap
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# [18:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8620fc3f18f - Bobby Holley - Bug 800915 - Remove the cx parameter and simplify various APIs. r=sfink,bz
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# [18:57] <aja> fyi: just got win64 UX nightly start-up crash when updating to australis. win32 went ok.
# [18:59] <bholley> bsmedberg: ping
# [18:59] <aja> ^ on win8
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# [19:02] <seth> i wish that the makefile didn't spew out a bunch of errors about disabled tests every time it's run =\
# [19:02] <bholley> bsmedberg: do you know if anyone uses XPConnect tearoff reflections? like someXPCOMObject.nsIFoo.someMethod
# [19:02] <bholley> bsmedberg: I've never seen it used
# [19:02] <@bsmedberg> no, I don't know
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# [19:02] <@bsmedberg> it would only really be useful if there were name conflicts
# [19:02] <bholley> bsmedberg: right
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# [19:03] <@bsmedberg> bholley: hrm, 1) how much pain do they cause you right now? and 2) how hard would it be to instrument (telemetry to whatever) for aurora users?
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# [19:05] <bholley> bsmedberg: not a ton of pain. I'm trying to simplify some code that's gunked up by them. And I could do telemetry
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# [19:06] <bholley> bsmedberg: if I decide it's worth the trouble, I'll do some telemetry first and see how it looks. Thanks :-)
# [19:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6fd28026e072 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811663 part 1. Rename nsDocumentFragment to mozilla::dom::DocumentFragment. r=smaug
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# [19:09] <bz_away> seth: see $objdir/image/public/_xpidlgen/imgIContainer.h
# [19:09] <seth> bz_away: heh, actually was just about to say. my real problem was that a method i thought was in the IDL wasn't
# [19:09] <seth> bz_away: obviously haven't had enough coffee yet =)
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# [19:19] <glazou> ehsan: ping
# [19:19] <@ehsan> glazou: hello
# [19:20] <glazou> hello ehsan
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# [19:20] <glazou> I don't absolutely a need a backout
# [19:20] <glazou> but I do need a scriptable way of being notified undo or redo occurred
# [19:20] <glazou> and the current code does not allow it
# [19:20] <@ehsan> right
# [19:20] <glazou> it's not scriptable
# [19:20] <glazou> see comment 20
# [19:20] <@ehsan> do you specifically care if the operation was an undo, let's say?
# [19:20] <@ehsan> as opposed to a dom mutation?
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# [19:21] <glazou> exactly
# [19:21] <@ehsan> ok...
# [19:21] <@ehsan> then MutationObserver won't be helpful :(
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# [19:21] <glazou> correct :-)
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# [19:21] <@ehsan> hrm
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# [19:21] <glazou> yeah, I know painful, but I tried everything in the past and this is the only workable solution for me
# [19:21] <@ehsan> the thing is that I don't think adding a scriptable interface for undo/redo is significantly better than readding that interface
# [19:22] <@ehsan> right
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# [19:22] <glazou> can we tweak nsIEditActionListener
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# [19:22] <@ehsan> tweak it how?
# [19:22] <glazou> adding DidUndo and DidRedo ?
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# [19:22] <@ehsan> yeah that should be possible
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# [19:23] <@ehsan> question is, how soon do you want that change?
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# [19:23] <glazou> then we could move setEditorObserver() to use an nsIEditActionListener instead of the c++ class
# [19:23] <@ehsan> I'm not sure what branch BlueGriffon tracks
# [19:23] <@ehsan> is it beta?
# [19:23] <@ehsan> or release?
# [19:23] <glazou> m-c
# [19:23] <@ehsan> oh
# [19:24] <@ehsan> so do you use random m-c snapshots for your releases?
# [19:24] <glazou> not exactly random since I test them so they're stable enough
# [19:24] <@ehsan> I see
# [19:24] <glazou> for what I need that is
# [19:24] <@ehsan> you're a brave man :)
# [19:24] <@ehsan> but that's good news
# [19:24] <glazou> my users want it… :-/
# [19:24] <@ehsan> in that we don't need to worry about backporting the change to aurora/beta/etc.
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# [19:25] <@ehsan> glazou: so, when is your next release? how long do we have?
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# [19:25] <glazou> end of year of beginning 2013, so I can live with only a temporary backout *in my tree*
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# [19:25] <glazou> of course that's not sustainable in the long run
# [19:25] <@ehsan> yeah, obviously
# [19:26] <@ehsan> but I think that's long enough for us to modify nsIEditActionListener
# [19:26] <@ehsan> so you should be fine continuing to track m-c
# [19:26] <glazou> wonderful
# [19:26] <glazou> so I am going to backout the change in my own tree, waiting for your changes
# [19:26] <@ehsan> glazou: so, can you please file a bug for those new methods?
# [19:26] <glazou> yes
# [19:26] <@ehsan> I'll try to find someone to work on it soon
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# [19:27] <@ehsan> and if not I'll devote a weekend to it :)
# [19:27] <glazou> and I'll close 811679 as wontfix
# [19:27] <@ehsan> cool
# [19:27] <glazou> thansk ehsan, that's quite important for me
# [19:27] <@ehsan> oh, and sorry for not thinking of bluegriffon in the first place :)
# [19:27] <glazou> np
# [19:27] <@ehsan> yep, understood
# [19:28] <@ehsan> glazou: fwiw it's probably a good idea for you to watch Core::Editor... it should be quite low volume
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# [19:28] <@ehsan> but I'll try to remmeber to CC you on this kind of stuff
# [19:28] <glazou> yeah I did it
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# [19:28] <@ehsan> ok great!
# [19:28] <glazou> I am now watching it
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# [19:28] <glazou> I avoided in the past because it was too disturbing but hey ok
# [19:29] <@ehsan> I'll still try to ping you on irc on important stuff
# [19:29] <@ehsan> but the editor is not receiving much love these days
# [19:29] <@ehsan> so things should be fairly static :/
# [19:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f242101b1c00 - Brendan Eich - Bug 810525 - unregress DecompileValueGenerator change to handle object literal reference bases.
# [19:29] <glazou> yeah I know
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# [19:30] <glazou> I still hope I could have more time to give love to the core editor but that's not always easyu
# [19:30] <glazou> easy
# [19:30] <@ehsan> yep
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# [19:35] <glazou> ehsan: 811679 closed and 811792 filed, you're cc:ed
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# [19:35] <bdahl> erick: ping
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# [19:36] <@ehsan> glazou: ty
# [19:36] <glazou> my pleasure :-)
# [19:36] <@ehsan> glazou: oh wait!
# [19:36] <glazou> ?
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# [19:36] <@ehsan> will you still need setEditorObserver to be scriptable?
# [19:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/764eee3ba0f1 - Malini Das - Bug 810376 - make content wait for document ready when switching frames, r=jgriffin
# [19:37] <glazou> yes
# [19:37] <glazou> absolutely
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# [19:37] <@ehsan> oh hmm
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# [19:37] <@ehsan> I thought that modifying nsIEditActionListener would be enough...
# [19:37] <glazou> just stop using the c++ class
# [19:37] <glazou> ah no
# [19:38] <erick> bdahl: pong
# [19:38] <@ehsan> making setEditorObserver scriptable really undoes all of the "benefits" of the original patch
# [19:38] <glazou> hum
# [19:38] <@ehsan> so if you absolutely need that, perhaps we should just proceeed with the backout :/
# [19:38] <bdahl> erick: were you able to resolve your cpuid.h error?
# [19:38] <glazou> glargl :-D
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# [19:39] <@ehsan> glazou: let me think about this a bit more, and I'll comment on the bug(s)
# [19:39] <glazou> ehsan: well, you could still get rid of nsIEditorObserver and have only one listener
# [19:39] <philor> edmorley: I doubt you fixed those 10.6 failures on inbound with a backout, since the exact same failures happened at the same time on beta
# [19:39] <glazou> still one interface less
# [19:39] <erick> bdahl: I'm sorry, I took the coward's way out: I updated OSX, XCode, and XCode command line tools. When I rebooted, everything compiled with no complaints.
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# [19:39] <@ehsan> can we?
# [19:40] <edmorley> philor: oh
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# [19:40] <bdahl> erick: were you running lion when you had issues?
# [19:40] <philor> dns? a briefly broken ocsp redirect? dunno.
# [19:41] <@ehsan> glazou: but with the current EditActionListener class, you can only have *one* listener
# [19:41] <@ehsan> and gecko already uses that
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# [19:41] <@ehsan> so scripts won't be able to add their own listeners any way
# [19:42] <erick> bdahl: yes, I still run lion. I was on 10.7.4 when I was having issues. I am now on 10.7.5
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# [19:42] <glazou> ehsan: eeeeh, nsIEditor::addEditActionListener()
# [19:42] <bdahl> erick: hmm..i'm on 10.7.5 and latest Xcode, but still see that error
# [19:42] <glazou> you can many right ?
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# [19:43] <glazou> you can have many, right?
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# [19:43] <@ehsan> glazou: yeah, well, in that case what we end up having would be pretty similar to nsIEditorObserver :/
# [19:44] <glazou> well, for now we have nsIEditorObserver AND nsIEditActionListener ; we could have only the latter
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# [19:44] <glazou> I never understood why we have both btw
# [19:44] <glazou> s/have/had :-)
# [19:44] <evilpie> is https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/22360b84eb87 this right? i feel like contenteditable=="true" might be wrong
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# [19:45] <Ms2ger> The contentEditable IDL attribute, on getting, must return the string "true" if the content attribute is set to the true state, "false" if the content attribute is set to the false state, and "inherit" otherwise.
# [19:45] <Ms2ger> evilpie, sounds like yes
# [19:45] <@ehsan> glazou: yeah me neither
# [19:46] <@ehsan> glazou: alright, let me think this over
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# [19:46] <glazou> sure
# [19:46] <glazou> thanks
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# [19:46] <@ehsan> np
# [19:46] <erick> bdahl: Ah, that's unfortunate. :/ I'm not sure what else to suggest, it worked for me once I updated. Unfortunately I'm not at my computer at the moment, so I can't double check clang versions. I'll take a look tonight and write down the osx, xcode, clang versions that are working for me.
# [19:47] <biesi_> evilpie, if (element.contentEditable <-- that looks strange too
# [19:47] <biesi_> should be if ("contentEditable" in element), probably
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# [19:47] <erick> bdahl: Sorry I can't be more help :( Best of luck
# [19:47] <bdahl> erick: looks like i'm actually not on Xcode 4.5.2...trying to update now and see if that does the trick
# [19:47] <_AxS__> hey all -- is there an option for Preprocessor.py to make it pick up all the stuff that's AC_SUBST'ed in ./configure ?
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# [19:47] <kaie> do you have an email address for IanN? He had asked a question about NSS, but is no longer online
# [19:48] <_AxS__> or do I need to roll out everything pertinent via $(DEFINES) or whatnot?
# [19:48] <kaie> please PM me with his address if you have it, thank you
# [19:48] <biesi_> AC_SUBST is for makefiles
# [19:48] <biesi_> AC_DEFINE is for code
# [19:48] <biesi_> firebot, iann?
# [19:48] <firebot> biesi_: um... IanN is iann_bugzilla@blueyonder.co.uk
# [19:48] <biesi_> kaie ^
# [19:48] <_AxS__> biesi_: it's for non-code '.in' files
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# [19:49] <kaie> biesi, thank you :)
# [19:49] <biesi_> _AxS__, ok, AC_DEFINE is for non-makefiles. :)
# [19:49] <_AxS__> biesi_: things like 'prefix' and 'libdir' and such
# [19:49] <_AxS__> biesi_: ..are what i want to grab and substitute
# [19:49] <biesi_> what do you need those for?
# [19:50] <_AxS__> biesi_: i'm adding versioning to js/src , so js-config generation (from its .in file), and a .pc generation ...
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# [19:51] <_AxS__> biesi_: I can roll it out, was just wondering if it was possible not to
# [19:51] <biesi_> _AxS__, I guess you should look at what the mozilla/libxul .pc files do
# [19:51] <biesi_> don't think so
# [19:52] <evilpie> biesi_, Ms2ger: thank you guys, please comment in the bugs, you probably understand this better than i do
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# [19:52] <_AxS__> 'js-config' right now is rolled out and generated via 'sed' , for instance.. but that's old code (ie predates Preprocessor.py)
# [19:52] <_AxS__> tnx for the pointer tho
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# [19:53] <biesi_> my internet isn't great right now
# [19:53] <jhammel> who's is? the content is mostly crap these days
# [19:54] <biesi_> _AxS__, could add it to allmakefiles.sh
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# [19:54] <biesi_> if we still have that
# [19:54] <biesi_> of course that would still be sed ;)
# [19:56] <_AxS__> biesi_: Ah. so the way to do it is to add these files to $MAKEFILES in configure.in
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# [19:57] <_AxS__> ..if nsprpub is any indication, at least
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# [20:07] <Yoric> How can I find out in which mochitest bucket a given test falls?
# [20:08] <dholbert> Yoric, I'd just check tbpl mochitest logs
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# [20:09] <Yoric> Yes, that's what I'm doing.
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# [20:13] <Ms2ger> Yoric, I guess you could try hacking the mochitest runner to output that info
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# [20:13] <zwol> I'm looking for a reviewer for bug 663291. bent was the last person to touch the relevant code but he hasn't said anything in some time and also isn't answering his email.
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# [20:15] <Ms2ger> zwol, sounds like normal bent
# [20:16] <fabrice> bent is PTO
# [20:16] <bjacob> bholley: your last patch yesterday still didn't have a |extern| keyword, so i dont see how it could work
# [20:16] <jst> zwol: bent is on vacation atm, maybe try bholley?
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# [20:16] <bholley> bjacob: well, just look at trunk
# [20:16] <bholley> zwol: what's up?
# [20:16] <jst> bholley: ohai :)
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# [20:17] <zwol> bholley: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663291 -- need review for two patches, I have a whole stack waiting for them :)
# [20:17] <bholley> bjacob: the template class declarations are all in the .cpp file
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# [20:17] <zwol> bholley: it's a SpecialPowers thing
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# [20:17] <bjacob> bholley: it's ok as long as it builds i guess :) i just dont like mysteries
# [20:18] <bholley> bjacob: I'd be curious if you could figure it out though!
# [20:18] <bholley> bjacob: take a look at XrayWrapper.cpp and FilteringWrapper.cpp
# [20:18] <bjacob> bholley: i can't say i have time
# [20:18] <bholley> bjacob: :-)
# [20:19] <bholley> zwol: I'm only a peer for the SpecialPowers.wrap stuff
# [20:19] <bholley> zwol: you probably want ted
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# [20:19] <erick> bdahl: Did updating xcode make a difference? (fingers are crossed)
# [20:19] <zwol> ted: do you have time to do a review in the next couple days?
# [20:19] <@ehsan> firebot: uuid
# [20:19] <@ehsan> firebot: uuid
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# [20:20] <zwol> ted: (I'm going to be away from my dev box all next week, so if you can't get to it by the end of this week there's no point rushing)
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# [20:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/617ca802fbc7 - John Schoenick - Bug 787778 - Add test. r=josh
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# [20:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/97ca0c0f9aa0 - Daniel Glazman - Bug 811679 - Add nsIEditorObserver back; r=ehsan
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# [20:44] <philor> so, who's in the mood for a career limiting move?
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# [20:44] <hub> philor: do tell
# [20:45] <philor> oh, ehsan already backed brendan out
# [20:45] <@ehsan> philor: yep, I'm packing my stuff as we speak
# [20:45] <hub> oh
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# [20:47] <@ted> zwol: yeah, i can do that
# [20:47] <@ted> zwol: btw, i CCed you on some other bug a few weeks ago, dunno if you saw it
# [20:47] <@ted> zwol: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805841
# [20:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/44bd881db94a - Chris Pearce - Bug 811381 - Move media code into mozilla namespace. r=roc
# [20:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2c50f4d2ce7c - Chris Pearce - Bug 811381 - Move NextFrameStatus to MediaDecoderOwner, so that nsHTMLMediaElement doesn't need to include all of nsBuiltinDecoder. r=roc
# [20:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/591fe821c8ce - Chris Pearce - Bug 811381 - Flatten nsMediaDecoder and nsBuiltinDecoder into a single class. r=roc
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# [20:49] <zwol> ted: I think that went by right when I had no time whatsoever
# [20:49] <@ted> ok
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# [20:50] <@ted> i just thought your input would be useful
# [20:50] <zwol> ted: my schedule right now is: lots of hacking time through Friday; then completely afk for a week; then i have time again until late December
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# [20:50] <zwol> ted: i'll follow up in the bug
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# [20:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05d444e54f69 - Gregor Wagner - Bug 809661 - Need a speedy way to construct a thread list for SMS messages. Followup. r=sicking
# [20:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/508ecb4a6cb3 - Ben Turner - Bug 809661 - Need a speedy way to construct a thread list for SMS messages. r=sicking
# [20:51] <@dolske> ehsan: :)
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# [20:51] <@dolske> philor++ for sspitzer reference.
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# [20:53] <@bz> sspitzer reference?
# [20:54] <@dolske> "career limiting move"
# [20:55] <@bz> ah
# [20:55] <@dolske> I would link the bugzilla comment if, well, bugzilla was ever so slightly faster
# [20:55] <@bz> lol
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# [20:56] <@ted> zwol: thx
# [20:56] <philor> oh, that's why I couldn't find it on qbo, bug comment
# [20:56] <catlee> jhford: can you do a manual merge to hg's gaia for now?
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# [21:28] <zwol> *blink* we implement @page? WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED OF THIS
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# [21:28] <Ms2ger> zwol, we have for ages!
# [21:28] <Ms2ger> zwol, for a value of ages measured in days
# [21:29] <zwol> Ms2ger: oic
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# [21:29] <jhammel> Ms2ger: that's space-days, though
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> And it was backed out
# [21:29] <zwol> Ms2ger: I really really needed it last Monday, is all.
# [21:29] <@bz> dog-days
# [21:29] <zwol> but the moment has passed
# [21:29] <@bz> also, we only implement parts of it, really.
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# [21:31] <Ms2ger> mats, ping
# [21:31] <mats> pong
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# [21:32] <Ms2ger> mats, is @page actually landed at the moment?
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# [21:32] <mats> no, bug 811827 makes it possible to reland now
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> I see
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# [21:37] <Yoric> gavin: Thanks for bug 760036, btw.
# [21:38] <nemo> hey guys. used to be I could tell people to do PlacesDBUtils.checkAndFixDatabase(); after firing up error console w/ ctrl-shift-j
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# [21:38] <nemo> that works in FF16, but not FF19
# [21:38] <nemo> so. what do I tell them now?
# [21:38] <@smaug> nemo: error console should come back
# [21:39] <nemo> smaug: well. error console is there, it just doesn't seem to do anything if I try that line
# [21:39] <@smaug> nemo: bug 798925
# [21:39] <@smaug> oh
# [21:39] <nemo> smaug: security.. oh
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# [21:39] <nemo> smaug: I was guessing maybe some chrome javascript security restriction
# [21:39] <nemo> to protect idiots from pasting bad stuff
# [21:39] <jhford> catlee: i can do one in a bit, yes
# [21:39] <@smaug> there shouldn't be
# [21:39] <nemo> but hunting around in about:config devtools.* I wasn't seeing anything likely
# [21:39] <@smaug> nemo: error console runs js with chrome privileges
# [21:40] <nemo> smaug: sure. that's what I always counted on. but. Components.utils.import("resource://gre/modules/PlacesDBUtils.jsm");PlacesDBUtils.checkAndFixDatabase(); seems to do nothing
# [21:40] <nemo> note I don't know much about chrome JS. just basic user support here
# [21:40] <seth> any cute way to forward the implementation of an XPCOM method to the superclass after using an NS_DECL* macro?
# [21:41] <@smaug> nemo: is this a very recent regression?
# [21:41] <@bz> seth: of a single method, no
# [21:41] <@smaug> is it possible that khuey's change to jsm handling broke something
# [21:41] <@bz> seth: if you want to forward _all_ of them, it's a different story
# [21:41] <nemo> smaug: no idea. hadn't tried it until today
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# [21:41] <nemo> smaug: well. I'd tried it plenty before, just not in FF19 and probably not in FF18 either
# [21:42] <nemo> pretty sure it worked in FF17
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# [21:43] <seth> bz: unfortunately not, just a few. maybe i should add a macro for that...
# [21:44] <Ms2ger> Why not?
# [21:44] <Ms2ger> You can just do it manually
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# [21:46] <seth> Ms2ger: that's what i'm doing now, indeed.
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> Oh, you asked for a cute way
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> Trigraphs? :)
# [21:46] <seth> Ms2ger: i dunno, maybe the NS_DECL* macro is the real problem
# [21:47] <seth> Ms2ger: well of course it should involve template template parameters and SFINAE =)
# [21:47] <@bz> seth: that's the other option, yes
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# [21:47] <@bz> seth: manually declaring only some of hte functions
# [21:47] <@bz> seth: er, the
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# [21:48] <seth> bz: actually i was more thinking using NS_DECL* at all is problematic.
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# [21:48] <@bz> seth: well, it sure saves time in the common case.... ;)
# [21:48] <seth> bz: maybe there is some small benefit to it as long as we can't rely on c++11's override feature
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# [21:51] <seth> bz: i suppose =) a one-time cost (per class). but at least then you can use C++'s OO features properly. not sure how often that comes up practically in the codebase (or to what extent the class hierarchy's design has been affected by this)
# [21:51] <Ms2ger> Well...
# [21:51] <Ms2ger> Using C++'s features properly and XPCOM together?
# [21:52] <Ms2ger> Good luck, young grasshopper
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# [21:53] <seth> guh =(
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# [21:54] <seth> do the new webidl-based bindings suffer from these sorts of problems?
# [21:54] <Ms2ger> Less so!
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# [21:55] <seth> is there any reason we couldn't in principle migrate imagelib's script bindings to use webidl?
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# [21:56] <Ms2ger> seth, "work"
# [21:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/df3421b24be8 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 797471 - Handle mochitest failures gracefully in mach; r=Ms2ger
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# [21:56] <Ms2ger> And, well, we don't have chrome-only interfaces yet, I think
# [21:56] <@bz> seth: the new bindings don't generate a header or any declaration goop
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# [21:57] <@bz> seth: There is nothing preventing it in principle, I think
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# [21:57] <@bz> Ms2ger: I don't think we need chrome-only anything here. Just NoInterfaceObject and done.
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# [21:58] <Ms2ger> bz, if you say so :)
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# [21:58] <@bz> seth: well, actually there sort of is
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# [21:58] <@bz> seth: WebIDL bindings expect to be associated with a particular window.
# [21:58] <@bz> seth: or at least a particular global.
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# [21:58] * Ms2ger was thinking about that too
# [21:58] <@bz> seth: so something like the imgLoader is a problem....
# [21:59] <seth> not sure what you mean by a "global"
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# [21:59] <@bz> seth: well, "window" is too restrictive. E.g. in a Worker there is no window
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# [21:59] <seth> do they just need some sort of object to attach their lifetime to?
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# [21:59] <@bz> seth: but there is still a unique global object in the ES sense for that worker.
# [21:59] <@bz> seth: basically, yes.
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# [22:19] <Jesse> http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/2839 ... http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp#10684
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# [22:21] <Ms2ger> Only 5 years
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# [22:22] <philor> ehsan: bustage
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# [22:23] <@ehsan> shoot
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# [22:24] <@bz> Jesse: heh
# [22:24] <@ehsan> philor: sorry, backed out
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# [22:25] <@bz> Jesse: first-letter...
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# [22:25] <@bz> Jesse: can I blame kipp? ;)
# [22:26] <Ms2ger> He's not around, sure
# [22:26] <@bz> 1.276 <kipp@netscape.com> 1999-10-29 07:39
# [22:26] <@bz> r=troy; bugs 12958 and 12760; reworked the way that first-letter frames are created and updated. We now support incremental content changes even when first-letter style applies.
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# [22:26] <@bz> Is the blame on that line
# [22:26] <Ms2ger> Wow
# [22:26] <Ms2ger> It has a bug number
# [22:26] <@bz> And an r=
# [22:26] <@bz> and it's rev 200-some
# [22:26] <@bz> The thing is.... kipp was competent from what I understand.
# [22:27] <Ms2ger> Dunno, never heard of them
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# [22:27] <@bz> Ms2ger: they were the principal designers for this nglayout thing
# [22:27] <Ms2ger> I guess Netscape must've been lucky sometimes ;)
# [22:28] <@bz> Ms2ger: who then convinced people to try it instead of trying to improve the CSS support in the Netscape 4 codebase
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# [22:28] <@bz> "they" == kipp and troy
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# [22:28] <@bz> Ms2ger: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla/layout/generic/nsBlockFrame.cpp&rev=HEAD&mark=3.968
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# [22:28] <@bz> Ms2ger: scroll to the bottom
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# [22:29] <Ms2ger> Bug 8929: Kill NS_COMFALSE
# [22:29] <Ms2ger> r=peterv sr=bz
# [22:29] <Ms2ger> You guys have been here for a while :)
# [22:29] <Ms2ger> Oh look, sicking%bigfoot.com
# [22:29] <@bz> Ms2ger: yeah, we have...
# [22:29] <sicking> Ms2ger: haha, where?
# [22:29] <sicking> ooh
# [22:29] <sicking> yeah, that's a long time ago :)
# [22:29] <@bz> Ms2ger: NS_COMFALSE definitely needed killing, though!
# [22:30] <froydnj> bz: with fire?
# [22:30] * khuey doesn't even want to know
# [22:30] <@bz> froydnj: with whatever you had to hand
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# [22:31] <@bz> khuey: think nsresult that tests NS_SUCCEEDED() but indicates a false boolean return
# [22:31] <@bz> khuey: or something along those lines
# [22:31] <khuey> I said I didn't want to know!
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# [22:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/76515382c77f - Matthew Gregan - Bug 806263 - Move {Get,Set}ValueItemText up to MediaElement. r=doublec
# [22:31] <@bz> Like...
# [22:31] <Ms2ger> "Added 'ns' prefix to class name"
# [22:31] <Ms2ger> Boo
# [22:31] <@bz> -NS_IMETHODIMP
# [22:31] <@bz> +NS_IMETHODIMP_(PRBool)
# [22:31] <@bz> nsGenericElement::HasClass(nsIAtom* aClass, PRBool aCaseSensitive) const
# [22:31] <@bz> {
# [22:31] <@bz> - return NS_COMFALSE;
# [22:31] <@bz> + return PR_FALSE;
# [22:31] <@bz> }
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# [22:32] <Ms2ger> #define NS_COMFALSE 1
# [22:32] <@bz> anyway
# [22:32] <sicking> haha, it's all coming back to me :)
# [22:32] <@bz> you didn't scroll down enough to find kipp and troy
# [22:32] <@bz> sicking: run!
# [22:32] <sicking> i wrote that patch while interning for netscape
# [22:32] <sicking> i'm pretty sure
# [22:32] <Ms2ger> I did, I just wandered past that :)
# [22:32] <khuey> so I was 10 at the time
# [22:33] <khuey> which means Ms2ger must have been in the single digits
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# [22:33] <@bz> sicking: 2002, sounds about right yeah
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# [22:33] <@bz> That was the summer dbaron and I got shanghaied into being srs
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# [22:33] <@bz> Brings back memories!
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# [22:34] <Ms2ger> khuey, in 2002? I'd made it into the doubles by then
# [22:34] <joe> NS_COMFALSE?
# [22:34] <joe> holy crap
# [22:34] <gaston> good'old bonzai links .. and in 2012, i still use cvs daily.
# [22:34] <Ms2ger> But I was 6 when that file got released
# [22:34] <khuey> Ms2ger: sicking and I are having a similar but different conversation offline, I was counting from 2000
# [22:35] <joe> bansai!
# [22:35] <joe> you were 6 in 1998?
# [22:35] <joe> Ms2ger: ^
# [22:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9992b91433a3 - Henrik Skupin - Bug 811185 - Implement Emulator class for screen orientation in Marionette. r=jgriffin
# [22:35] <@bz> joe: scary, eh?
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> joe, that's what I said
# [22:36] <joe> wow
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# [22:36] <Ms2ger> joe, and I'm hardly the youngest guy around here :)
# [22:36] <@bz> joe: dzbarsky was 5... ;)
# [22:36] <joe> hehe
# [22:36] * khuey was 8 when the source was released
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# [22:36] <sicking> i believe i pulled the mozilla source the first time in 1999
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# [22:36] <@bz> joe: these are literally people who've never known Netscape 4. ;)
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# [22:36] <joe> mfinkle had retired for the first time
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# [22:37] <joe> little-known fact: mfinkle is 700 years old
# [22:37] <Ms2ger> bz, back in my day, we used IE6!
# [22:37] <sicking> joe: hah
# [22:37] <@bz> Ms2ger: I bet!
# [22:37] <@dbaron> What about NCSA Mosaic 2.0a2?
# [22:37] <joe> the first browser I used was netscape 1 or 2 i think
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# [22:37] <KWierso|Home> I was... 11 in '98
# [22:38] <khuey> you old fart you
# [22:38] <hub> mfinkle: what?
# [22:38] <joe> hub: you'll have to speak up
# [22:38] <khuey> old man finkle can't hear very well these days
# [22:38] <hub> sicking: I believe I did it on release day
# [22:39] <hub> sicking: and built it. It was Netscape 5 at the time
# [22:39] <sicking> my dad showed me "the web" on NCSA for the first time. I wasn't impressed, wasn't much fun to do back then. But incremental downloading of .gif images was totally cool
# [22:39] <Ms2ger> I started using Firefox 1.0, I guess
# [22:39] <hub> dbaron: which platform? :-)
# [22:39] <@dbaron> back then, I was using Windows
# [22:39] <hub> ah
# [22:39] <joe> yup
# [22:39] <@dbaron> (3.1)
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# [22:39] <KWierso|Home> 1.5 was my first Firefox
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# [22:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/606325d07fe1 - Marty Rosenberg - fix up a bunch of macro-assembler blemishes, and fix a jittest failure (bug 811489, r=djvj)
# [22:39] <joe> i started using the internet with win3.1
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# [22:39] <mjrosenb> after giving up aol's browser for netscape4.0
# [22:40] <hub> I remember Spyglass Mosaic
# [22:40] <hub> Netscape 0.9
# [22:40] <joe> but mostly used win95 and 98
# [22:40] <hub> and xmosaic we ran on X terminals
# [22:40] <sicking> joe: did you have to run trumpet to get TCP/IP?
# [22:40] <hub> in 1994
# [22:40] <jhammel> AOL had a browser?!? i thought all they did was make of LOL/LMFAO/ROFL and all that
# [22:40] <joe> sicking: hrm.
# [22:40] <joe> i had to run something
# [22:40] <mjrosenb> jhammel: they had something that allowed you to browse websites
# [22:40] <mjrosenb> it was built in to their dialer
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# [22:41] <hub> AOL to me meant "free floppy disk"
# [22:41] <Ms2ger> jhammel, I've never known AOL to be a thing
# [22:41] <hub> until they switched to CD
# [22:41] <Ms2ger> jhammel, how old does that make you feel?
# [22:41] <joe> AOL is still a thing!
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# [22:42] <joe> free AOL and compuserve was how i first got interwebs
# [22:42] <derf> Actually, maybe that was 2005.
# [22:42] <jhammel> AOL was a *thing*?!? i thought all they did was ship those CD-shaped coasters i used to use
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# [22:42] <mjrosenb> tucows was awesome!
# [22:42] <jhammel> that said like "More than the number of free hours in a month for the first month"
# [22:42] <Waldo> people have seen the quora answer where AOL estimated they were making 10% of all CDs in the world in the free-CD heyday, right?
# [22:43] <jhammel> i thought it was like PoMo or something
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# [22:43] <mjrosenb> Waldo: no, but I'd believe it.
# [22:43] <mjrosenb> Waldo: uhh.
# [22:43] <mjrosenb> Waldo: why are you building gcc?
# [22:43] <Waldo> mjrosenb: because b2g is stupid
# [22:43] <mjrosenb> Waldo: I've fonud this to be nothing but pain and misery.
# [22:43] <jlebar> Anyone know where the symbol __ptr_t comes from? glandium, maybe?
# [22:43] <Ms2ger> Waldo, and are you building it with clang?
# [22:43] * jlebar can #define it to void*, but suspects that's not quite right.
# [22:44] <Waldo> mjrosenb: actually I have a build of gcc trunk I did from May-ish or so, so I have an existence proof for it being possible
# [22:44] <mjrosenb> Waldo: do you only have 4.7 installed on your system?
# [22:44] <Waldo> mjrosenb: yes, and fedora doesn't seem to provide gcc 4.6 packages
# [22:44] <mjrosenb> Waldo: I guess I've only tried to build cross compilers
# [22:44] <mjrosenb> Waldo: that is impressively bad
# [22:44] <Waldo> and I am loathe to downgrade my system compiler
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# [22:44] <Waldo> mjrosenb: a choice to aim closer to cutting edge; it's not totally unreasonable
# [22:44] <mjrosenb> as well as 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7
# [22:45] <Waldo> although it does only exemplify the cathedral model that is Linux software distribution these days
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# [22:45] <mjrosenb> the default is 4.7, but it is trivial for me to switch to an older compiler at a moment's notice
# [22:45] <froydnj> Waldo: building for cross?
# [22:45] <mjrosenb> e.g. CC=gcc-4.5 CXX=g++-4.5 ./build.sh
# [22:45] <Waldo> froydnj: I dunno, I'm just trying to follow wiki directions
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# [22:46] <jlebar> Waldo: It might be easier to fix B2G to build on gcc 4.6
# [22:46] <jlebar> er, 4.7
# [22:46] <mjrosenb> Waldo: because there is some batshit insane build process
# [22:46] <mjrosenb> that involves untarring binutils, gcc, glibc and gdb into the same directory
# [22:46] <mjrosenb> then building them all at once
# [22:46] <mjrosenb> but it doesn't work
# [22:47] <Waldo> mjrosenb: gcc and g++; I failed at building the whole system (not quite intentionally), but it worked fine doing a narrower set of languages
# [22:47] <mjrosenb> from what I can tell
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# [22:47] <Waldo> jlebar: I might consider doing that after I get a build done, perhaps
# [22:47] <Waldo> in my copious spare time
# [22:47] <jlebar> Waldo: It would certainly be appreciated, and I don't suspect it would be too hard, although I haven't spent time looking at it.
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# [22:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/65a144464450 - Gregor Wagner - Bug 811414 - nsISettingsServiceCallback shouldn't use [implicit_jscontext]. Followup. r=mrbkap
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# [22:48] <froydnj> mjrosenb: the combined-directory build is very convenient, but not necessary
# [22:48] <mjrosenb> jlebar: is it our build system, or the internals of android that are incompatible with 4.7?
# [22:48] <jlebar> Waldo: As someone who has wasted days trying and eventually failing to build GCC, I'm impressed and humbled that you think this is the easier way out.
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# [22:48] <mjrosenb> froydnj: I was attempting to build a full cross-compiler + library
# [22:48] <jlebar> mjrosenb: It's not the build system per se; I think some code uses now-deprecated intrinsics or something.
# [22:48] <derf> Building gcc is easy.
# [22:48] <froydnj> mjrosenb: crosstool?
# [22:49] <derf> emerge -1v gcc
# [22:49] <Waldo> jlebar: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1941754 really wasn't too bad, actually
# [22:49] <froydnj> mjrosenb: but yes, that is a little trickier to get everything to line up correctly
# [22:49] <mjrosenb> froydnj: is that the one that has hardcoded paths for gcc-2.9.3 in it?
# [22:49] <froydnj> mjrosenb: I think there are more modern versions now, but maybe not
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# [22:50] <mjrosenb> froydnj: oh, how have you done that?
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# [22:50] <froydnj> mjrosenb: very carefully ;)
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# [22:50] <mjrosenb> froydnj: I was hoping to be able to distribute an rpm for all the debian-impared people that want to use a cross compiler
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# [22:52] <mjrosenb> because evidently fedora does not support cross compilation?
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# [22:54] <froydnj> maybe you mean "the gcc that comes with fedora doesn't support cross compilation?"
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# [22:56] <mjrosenb> froydnj: well, fedora does not ship a cross compiler
# [22:56] <mjrosenb> gcc doesn't really have the ability to target multiple platforms with a single compiler currently
# [22:56] <mjrosenb> so that isn't really a deficency of fedora
# [22:57] <Mook_as> fedora has a mingw cross compiler toolchain, but you're probably not looking for that :p
# [22:57] <froydnj> it has had such capability in the past, it might even still work
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# [22:58] <mjrosenb> Mook_as: yes, I asked in fedora-arm, and they said there wasn't interest in targeting arm from x86
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# [23:02] <froydnj> mjrosenb: what do the rpm folks do currently? build from source?
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# [23:04] <aja> ux-win/64 startup crasher
# [23:04] <mjrosenb> froydnj: build on arm boards.
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# [23:06] <froydnj> mjrosenb: owwwww
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# [23:07] <mjrosenb> froydnj: they said it was easier than getting cross compilation set up
# [23:07] <mjrosenb> froydnj: I decided I wanted nothing to do with fedora
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# [23:08] <froydnj> mjrosenb: methinks some sharpening of the ax would make the task go quicker...
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# [23:09] <mjrosenb> I mean, I installed fedora noce on my girlfriends' computer in 2006 when she got to college
# [23:09] <mjrosenb> that didn't go too well
# [23:09] <mjrosenb> I've never actually used the distro
# [23:09] <mjrosenb> just it seems like half of the js team uses it
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# [23:10] <khuey> fedora is alright
# [23:10] <khuey> I've never been able to put up with a distro for more than a year though
# [23:10] <jhammel> lfs? ;)
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# [23:11] <khuey> no thanks
# [23:11] <mjrosenb> khuey: my server has been running gentoo since 2005
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# [23:11] <jhammel> mjrosenb: so it's probably almost finished compiling the 2006 kernel ;)
# [23:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/87aa54d557dd - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811449 part 7. Get rid of nsGenericElement in Element.cpp. r=peterv
# [23:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b86df83428cc - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811449 part 1. Move everything from nsGenericElement.h to Element.h. r=peterv
# [23:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c939d4f18cc4 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811449 part 5. Drop no longer needed namespacing on arguments and return values of Element methods. r=peterv
# [23:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ea21cee0a151 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811449 part 3. Eliminate nsGenericElement as a separate class.
# [23:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff05c0955ca8 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811449 part 2. Combine the forward-declares and includes in Element.h. r=peterv
# [23:12] <khuey> mjrosenb: I assume you've seen funroll-loops.info?
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# [23:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/01ba4b64e577 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811449 part 4. Move the data members of Element to the end of the class. r=peterv
# [23:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac584cdc2b14 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811449 part 8. Get rid of nsGenericElement. r=peterv
# [23:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/45c37804c654 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 811449 part 6. Rename nsGenericElement.cpp to Element.cpp. r=peterv
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# [23:30] <bholley> imelven, mgoodwin: Whoa, sweet notes!
# [23:30] <bholley> I'm going through and making a few small edits
# [23:30] <bholley> but generally spot on
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# [23:31] <mgoodwin> bholley: thanks for that. It was a hugely useful thing for me (and I'm sure others too)
# [23:31] <bholley> mgoodwin: yay! :-)
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# [23:32] <mgoodwin> bholley: also, re. notes; tanvi is a legendary note taker. She possesses the almost unknown talent of listening, understanding and still retaining the mental capacity to write something down.
# [23:33] <mgoodwin> (which is why most of that etherpad is the same color)
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# [23:34] <bholley> mgoodwin: yeah, that's the most incredibly notetaking I've ever seen, especially for material like this
# [23:34] <bholley> er, incredible
# [23:34] <mgoodwin> bholley: one more useful thing; if you're aware of any documents on MDN that need some love (related to wrappers, initially), let me know
# [23:34] <mgoodwin> I probably haven't spotted them all yet.
# [23:34] <bholley> mgoodwin: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPConnect_security_membranes
# [23:34] <bholley> mgoodwin: assuming you know about that one
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# [23:34] <mgoodwin> yeah, that's where I started ;)
# [23:34] <bholley> mgoodwin: but the diagrams are great
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# [23:35] <bholley> mgoodwin: jorge also wrote this: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2012/08/20/exposing-objects-to-content-safely/
# [23:35] <bholley> mgoodwin: not sure if it made it anywhere on MDN
# [23:36] <mgoodwin> and, of course, something equivalent to gabor's thing sans SafeJSObjectWrapper
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# [23:37] <bholley> mgoodwin: yeah
# [23:37] <bholley> mgoodwin: that should definitely go on MDN
# [23:37] <bholley> mgoodwin: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sfink/Contexts_and_Compartments maybe
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# [23:38] <bholley> mgoodwin: but it's more from a C++ hacker's perspective
# [23:38] <bholley> mgoodwin: and a lot of it is out of date
# [23:38] <sfink> and bholley is actively working on making more of it out of date :)
# [23:39] <imelven> hehe
# [23:39] <bholley> sfink: :-)
# [23:39] <bholley> making it shorter
# [23:39] <bholley> :-)
# [23:39] <tanvi> mgoodwin, bholley - thanks :)
# [23:40] <dhylands> Anybody able to help out with an XPCOM question?
# [23:40] <khuey> there's a channel full of people for that
# [23:41] <dhylands> khuey: What channel might that be?
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# [23:41] <khuey> #developers
# [23:41] <khuey> :-P
# [23:41] * jhammel was guessing '#bs' ;)
# [23:41] <khuey> ask your question ;-)
# [23:41] <@dolske> aaaand khuey just volunteered. :)
# [23:41] <dhylands> Just wanted to make sure I was actually in the right place :)
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# [23:41] <khuey> /kick dolske
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# [23:42] <gabor> can I see that awesome etherpad notes about it btw?
# [23:43] <dhylands> OK - So I have an nsVolumeService class, and I want to call do_GetService to get ahold of another XPCOM class. I was lead to believe that I shouldn't do this from within my nsVolumeService class constructor. Is that correct?
# [23:43] <Mook_as> dhylands: correct, that blows up in unpleasant ways.
# [23:43] <dhylands> So what is the "correct" way to deal with this?
# [23:43] <@khuey> why would it blow up?
# [23:44] <gabor> tanvi: can you send me a link to your etherpad notes when you have a second?
# [23:44] <Mook_as> (in particular, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/components/nsComponentManager.cpp#1198 )
# [23:44] <@khuey> I suppose you could end up with some bad recursive thing
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# [23:44] <@khuey> yeah
# [23:44] <Mook_as> (and then you turn the tree orange)
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# [23:44] <@khuey> NS_ERROR won't turn mochitest orange! :-P
# [23:44] <Mook_as> so, what do you need the other service for? can you delay getting that?
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# [23:45] <dhylands> Yeah. I want to register with the power manager for wakelock events. So I guess I could just PostTask another function and do my init there
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# [23:46] <tanvi> gabor - etherpad - https://etherpad.mozilla.org/wrappers
# [23:46] <gabor> tanvi: cheers
# [23:46] <Mook_as> the terms are unfamiliar to me, but that sounds about right? :)
# [23:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/baba249d52f8 - Dave Hunt - Bug 811330 - Fix a typo in XML generation, r=jgriffin
# [23:46] <dhylands> I've seen lots of XPCOM classes with Init functions, but I'm guessing if you do this, then somebody had to call the Init function manually?
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# [23:47] <@khuey> well, it depends
# [23:47] <mgoodwin> gabor: also http://vreplay.mozilla.com/replay/showRecordingExternal.html?key=gmlj5y6slGfuBrd if you want to watch / listen (it's looong though)
# [23:47] <@khuey> you can have your Init invoked at creation time
# [23:47] <@khuey> NS_GENERIC_FACTORY_CONSTRUCTOR_WITH_INIT or something
# [23:48] <@khuey> but that has the same problem as doing it in the ctor
# [23:48] <@khuey> with the recursive getService thing
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# [23:49] <dhylands> Mook_as: Sorry - NS_DispatchToMainThread (not PostTask)
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# [23:49] <gabor> mgoodwin: thanks for that too :)
# [23:49] <Mook_as> dhylands: ah, now we're back on familiar ground. But yes :)
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# [23:53] <dhylands> So it looks like the other way of doing it is to create your own FactoryCreate method, register that and have it do the Init
# [23:54] <anton> i have a very odd problem here. i am trying to load an iframe and access it via contentWindow on load but contentWindow *sometimes* seems to be undefined even after onload has been fired. e.g. el.addEventListener("load", function () { dump(el.contentWindow); /* sometimes undefined */ }, true); does anyone know why this would happen?
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# [23:54] <@khuey> dhylands: honestly if you can be sure that the power manager isn't going to try to acquire the volume service you can just do it in the ctor
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# [23:55] <dhylands> khuey: The Power manager knows nothing of the volume service
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# [23:55] <dhylands> khuey: So is the recursive thing just a warning?
# [23:56] <dhylands> khuey: It looks like an error
# [23:56] <@khuey> dhylands: it asserts, but doesn't crash
# [23:56] <@khuey> it's a thing you shouldn't do
# [23:56] <@khuey> but like I said, if there's no danger of recursion, you can cheat
# [23:56] <@khuey> I expect plenty of existing classes do
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# [23:57] <@khuey> dhylands: e.g. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/nsXPConnect.cpp#78 :-D
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# [23:59] <dhylands> khuey: ok - I'll try it and see if it works...
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