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1. # Session Start: Tue Nov 20 00:00:00 2012
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <IanN> mcsmurf: vimperator does it seems
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6. # [00:00] <nrc> Waldo: thanks
7. # [00:00] <mcsmurf> IanN: how you know?
8. # [00:00] <IanN> mcsmurf: asked a search engine
9. # [00:00] <mcsmurf> heh
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11. # [00:01] <IanN> mcsmurf: not sure if it still exists of course
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15. # [00:02] <IanN> mcsmurf: xforms too
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24. # [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/452ecece0b17 - Josh Aas - Back out fix for bug 405407 due to regressions.
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29. # [00:09] <ddahl> did the NS_OUTPARAM macro change? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1948402
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35. # [00:11] <philor> ehsan: you've sprung a leak
36. # [00:13] <Matti> is pymake currently broken ? I get this build error due to the new lib http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1948403
37. # [00:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/35c328e03795 - Rob Wood - Bug 808106 - Develop tests to verify filtering SMS messages by date, update manifest; r=jgriffin
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44. # [00:14] <mounir> philor: what would you recommend to do to disable a test that just has no interest on Android?=
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48. # [00:16] <philor> mounir: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/find?string=android.json
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50. # [00:16] <@ehsan> philor: ouch, I'll back out
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53. # [00:18] <mounir> philor: hmm, I thought that was mostly for known failures
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59. # [00:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da5c7437f563 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out changeset f76720054116 (bug 813209) because of leaks
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61. # [00:20] <philor> mounir: it's both "pretend we'll fix this someday" and also "there's no reason to fix this ever"
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65. # [00:22] <mounir> philor: ok :)
66. # [00:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/caab3921e4c2 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 764240 - Clamp window.sizeToContent() the same way we clamp other resizing methods. r=bz
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68. # [00:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f74e05b76740 - Benoit Girard - Bug 809317 - Part 1: Provide a pseudo stack implementation of SAMPLER_PRINT_LOCATION. r=ehsan
69. # [00:23] <mounir> that's exactly, what I wanted
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73. # [00:24] <Hughman> does mozilla learn of firefox crashes that get reported to microsoft?
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75. # [00:25] <philor> mounir: with mcMerge, you can actually save the person merging inbound to central some time by *not* setting the target milestone, since if you set it, there's a step where mcMerge tells them that they have to look at whether you got it wrong
76. # [00:25] <ddahl> does anyone know when NS_OUTPARAM disappeared from the tree - and what bug that was?
77. # [00:25] <BenWa> Hughman: No, they should go through our crash reporter
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80. # [00:28] <Hughman> BenWa: well the aurora freezes i have had recently have all been ending up in windows action center
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83. # [00:28] <BenWa> Hughman: That's not good cause we have wont know it happened :(
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86. # [00:29] <BenWa> If you can attach debugger and attach the trace that would be handy
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90. # [00:30] <Hughman> i dont have a debugger on this machine :(
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92. # [00:32] <BenWa> vladan: Is there something we can use to diagnose a total hang on windows? Is the best thing just windbg?
93. # [00:32] <BenWa> outside of a dev machine tha tis
94. # [00:32] <vladan> normally i would attach with a debugger with remove symbols configured. you can also use WinDbg or ProcessExplorer
95. # [00:32] <vladan> ^ BenWa
96. # [00:33] <vladan> *remote symbols
97. # [00:33] <BenWa> ok
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99. # [00:34] <vladan> BenWa: there's also the crash-on-hang config setting
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101. # [00:34] <BenWa> Hughman: Maybe you should use that ^^
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103. # [00:34] <Hughman> where is that config, it seems easiest
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105. # [00:35] <vladan> go to about:config, change hangmonitor.timeout to a value like 5 (5 seconds)
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109. # [00:35] <vladan> next time you hang, the crash will be reported to Mozilla and you'll be able to see the hang info from the link in about:crashes
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111. # [00:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c30e4f22b9e2 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 791244 - undo the pref for the temporary hang server for beta releases, a=akeybl
112. # [00:36] <Hughman> vladan: thanks!
113. # [00:36] <vladan> no problem
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118. # [00:40] <Jesse> whoah logs exist http://irclog.gr/#browse/irc.mozilla.org/developers/
119. # [00:41] <nemo> *sigh* I see that stuff like http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase228.xhtml *still* pegs one core in Firefox, even with layers acceleration enabled :-/ What's lovely is that it still burns quite a bit of CPU when that is a background tab
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121. # [00:41] <mcsmurf> hello world^Wlog ;)
122. # [00:42] <Unfocused> Jesse: maybe you should add that to the topic, in case people want to see logs
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124. # [00:42] <mcsmurf> Jesse: also see topic on this ;)
125. # [00:42] <mcsmurf> too slow
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127. # [00:42] <mcsmurf> no, actually, I meant there are already IRC logs
128. # [00:42] <mcsmurf> for a few month now (I think)
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133. # [00:43] <Jesse> oh
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137. # [00:44] <Unfocused> mcsmurf: http://imgur.com/T7GRq
138. # [00:44] <mcsmurf> Unfocused: hah, you didn't know either! :-P
139. # [00:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/39890b75361f - Trevor Saunders - bug 779520 - merge Accessible::Init() into constructors patch=fxa90id r=surkov, tbsaunde
140. # [00:45] <Unfocused> :)
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143. # [00:47] <ddahl> Ok, I give up. I cannot determine from bugzilla searches when we dropped NS_OUTPARAM and what we replaced it with
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147. # [00:48] <@dolske> ddahl: find an ancient tree on the top of mxr, find the file it was in, hg log / bisect your way to the bug that killed it?
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150. # [00:49] <philor> "ancient"? it was still around in *2.0*!
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153. # [00:50] <mcsmurf> in Firefox 2.0?
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156. # [00:50] <mcsmurf> nope ;)
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158. # [00:51] <philor> ddahl: bug 773637, apparently
159. # [00:51] <jhammel> The Elders still speak of the days of FoxfirTwoDotO...some say it was handed down from Gods that came from far away galaxies in golden flying saucers; others contend it was the ancients themselves that harvested the living power of geomancy....
160. # [00:51] <philor> and we replaced it with "", lovely ""
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164. # [00:53] * Unfocused concurs
165. # [00:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0e778097dc8c - Scott Johnson - Bug 813271: Increment the IID for nsIMarkupDocumentViewer because it failed to get updated in bug 780258 [rs=biesi][a=akeybl].
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168. # [00:56] <edmorley|away> jhammel: But little did the ancients know that one day their precious numerals would become forever banished to the desolate wastelands where only the trolls reside.
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170. # [00:57] <ddahl> dolske: philor|afk thanks! you'd think I could find the bug with a query for NS_OUTPARAM with recent firefox milestones:(
171. # [00:57] <Mook_as> Matti: was there any spew just before that, from... well, it would be the linker, but I don't see it being invoked... huh.
172. # [00:57] <@dolske> 2.0 is totes ancient. it's not even double-digits!
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180. # [01:02] <aja> "firefox" clip just on NBC nightly news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CteSPCiMDNw
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183. # [01:03] <jhammel> aja: you forgot the quotes around "news"
184. # [01:04] <aja> good point!
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187. # [01:05] <jhammel> adorable, though
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221. # [01:31] <edmorley|away> cpeterson++
222. # [01:31] <cpeterson> edmorley, ping?
223. # [01:31] <edmorley|away> dev.apps.firefox
224. # [01:32] <cpeterson> I knew Chrome for OSX was 32-bit, but I just learned about Windows today. <:)
225. # [01:32] <edmorley|away> :-)
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243. # [01:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d83f74d3768a - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 813209 - Refactor MediaResource into BaseMediaResource so that we can base the implementation of BufferMediaSource on top of MediaSource; r=cpearce
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248. # [01:42] <jlebar> derf, ping?
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251. # [01:44] <derf> jlebar: Pong.
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254. # [01:45] <jlebar> derf, This may be a trick question, but can you tell whether this is ARM or Thumb? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1948525
255. # [01:46] <Waldo> dolske: "totes ancient"? you dropping into German there or something?
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258. # [01:47] <derf> jlebar: Thumb.
259. # [01:47] <derf> ARM instructions are all 4 bytes.
260. # [01:47] <@ehsan> jlebar: it has 16-bit instructions, so thumb
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262. # [01:47] <jlebar> derf, Would I see something in the asm when we switch?
263. # [01:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9014a296746 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 813357 - Actually hand off our copy of the notification request to IPDL. r=gwagner
264. # [01:47] <derf> You'd see addresses that increment by 4.
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266. # [01:48] <jlebar> derf, Like +8 --> +12?
267. # [01:48] <jlebar> derf, I thought there were some 32-bit thumb instructions?
268. # [01:48] <derf> There are some in Thumb2, yes.
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271. # [01:49] <derf> I mean, there are also a bunch of things that are illegal in Thumb and not ARM and vice-versa.
272. # [01:49] <jlebar> derf, Understood.
273. # [01:49] <jlebar> derf, But you're saying that the compiler can mix and match arbitrarily, within functions? 'cause that's not what I understood from the gcc page I read...
274. # [01:50] <jlebar> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-Options.html
275. # [01:50] <derf> jlebar: No, it can't.
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277. # [01:50] <jlebar> derf, Okay.
278. # [01:50] <derf> It can only change modes at a branch (by changing the lsb of the address it's branching to).
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281. # [01:50] <jlebar> I see, okay, perfect.
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283. # [01:51] <derf> And specifically only BX and BLX branches.
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285. # [01:52] <jlebar> derf, Okay, that helps. Thanks.
286. # [01:52] <cjones> jlebar, ping
287. # [01:52] <jlebar> cjones, hey
288. # [01:52] <cjones> hey, is NS_RegisterMemoryReporter thread safe?
289. # [01:52] * cjones is betting "no"
290. # [01:53] <jlebar> cjones, I think so, actually, although your object needs to implement threadsafe addref/release.
291. # [01:53] <cjones> ok, thanks
292. # [01:53] <jlebar> cjones, It's threadsafe so long as do_GetService is threadsafe.
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298. # [01:54] <cjones> ok
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304. # [01:59] <Waldo> threadsafeish
305. # [01:59] <@dolske> Waldo: German?! that's totes Canadien.
306. # [02:00] <Waldo> oh, "totes" derives from some parent language of German and I guess French both? interesting
307. # [02:00] <Waldo> ("tot" is "dead" in German)
308. # [02:00] <Waldo> dolske: ^
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311. # [02:00] <jhammel> hmmm....so when NPR gives out "tote bags" its actually a lot more morbid than i suspected o_O
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313. # [02:01] <@dolske> Waldo: "totally" slang
314. # [02:02] <Waldo> egad
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316. # [02:02] <Waldo> that's just awful
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319. # [02:02] <@dolske> yes.
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321. # [02:02] <Waldo> dolske: could you kick dolske for slang abuse, please?
322. # [02:02] <@dolske> totes awful, which is why I love using it now and then.
323. # [02:02] <@dolske> :P
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328. # [02:03] <Unfocused> "tot"? isn't there some law in german that words need to be at least 12 letters long?
329. # [02:04] <jlebar> Unfocused, They really like compound nouns.
330. # [02:04] <Waldo> http://translate.google.com/#auto/en/Er%20ist%20tot%2C%20Jim.
331. # [02:04] <KWierso|Home> but "tot" is a small child...
332. # [02:04] <jhammel> a small*dead* child!
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335. # [02:05] <edmorley|away> dolske: I've even heard people use "totes amazeballs"
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337. # [02:05] <@dolske> NEW FAVORITE WORD
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341. # [02:06] * Waldo blames dolske totes for derailing the channel and ignores his own contributions to the matter
342. # [02:07] <@dolske> edmorley|away: amazeballs makes me think of this too: http://www.amazon.com/Knifeball-An-Alphabet-Terrible-Advice/dp/1452103313/
343. # [02:08] <edmorley|away> heh
344. # [02:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/899be7c28b2a - Justin Lebar - Bug 811466 - Add include guards around some headers which were missing them. r=khuey
345. # [02:10] <KWierso|Home> huh. just got potch's email about today's weekly meeting.
346. # [02:10] <Waldo> while we're on the topic of quality literature, I have a copy of the book of bunny suicides on the way to the office (should arrive tomorrow), if anyone wants to see it :-)
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354. # [02:13] <derf> Hasetotenbuch?
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356. # [02:13] <Waldo> nom nom nom
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422. # [02:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14f42821a132 - Michael Wu - Backed out changeset d12d63253125 (bug 809665) for red
423. # [02:58] <jaws> um, nevermind that
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425. # [03:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c2a58449a3d - Mark Hammond - Bug 808235 - give chatbox focus when restored. r=jaws
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428. # [03:01] <RyanVM> "leaked 9223372036854970900 bytes during test execution "
429. # [03:01] <RyanVM> awwww yeah
430. # [03:02] <dholbert> 8192 petabytes. yowza!
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432. # [03:03] <@smaug> memory is cheap
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437. # [03:05] <@ehsan> RyanVM: that's how we report negative numbers ;)
438. # [03:05] <RyanVM> it's not a bug, it's a feature
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441. # [03:06] <@ehsan> exactly
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443. # [03:06] <Mook_as> we're leaking negative bytes now? that's awesome, should run it a few more times then!
444. # [03:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1aab9de3c554 - Jared Wein - Bug 813383 - Use firstElementChild/nextElementSibling/lastElementChild instead of firstChild/nextSibling/lastChild when possible. r=felipe
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450. # [03:08] <@ehsan> yeah I hope the press picks this up ;)
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479. # [03:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/09e13b703139 - David Keeler - bug 811375 - decouple nsIPluginTag::clicktoplay from click-to-play blocklisting r=joshmoz a=akeybl
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495. # [03:39] <cabanier> All,
496. # [03:39] <cabanier> how can I push my changes to mozilla-inbound?
497. # [03:39] <cabanier> my push returns with "ssl required"
498. # [03:40] <@bz> cabanier: do you have push access for it?
499. # [03:40] <RyanVM> cananier: I'll start with the obvious question - do you have Level 3 commit access?
500. # [03:40] <cabanier> no
501. # [03:40] <@bz> ok
502. # [03:40] <@bz> then add the "checkin-needed" keyword to the bug
503. # [03:40] <@bz> And someone who does will push it for you
504. # [03:40] <RyanVM> and then "certain people" will find it
505. # [03:40] <cabanier> OK
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507. # [03:41] <cabanier> where in the bug do I add ?
508. # [03:41] <RyanVM> on the keywords
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510. # [03:41] <jwir3> if I want to use a function like nsIDOMUtils::GetResolution which has 2 out params in js, how do I go about doing this? Do I pass in two variables and then expect them to be set?
511. # [03:41] <RyanVM> if you start typing it in, it should offer checkin-needed as a suggestion
512. # [03:41] <@bz> cabanier: which bug?
513. # [03:41] <RyanVM> cabanier: I handle a lot of the checkin-needed bugs. I won't be doing them tonight, but I will get it tomorrow if nobody else does first.
514. # [03:41] * @bz was going to push stuff in the next hour or so; can just push this too
515. # [03:42] <RyanVM> like that
516. # [03:42] <cabanier> Thanks!
517. # [03:42] <cabanier> how can I change the keywords field?
518. # [03:42] <RyanVM> cabanier: heh, I bet you don't have editbugs privs either
519. # [03:42] <cabanier> :-)
520. # [03:42] <@bz> jwir3: yes, the contract is that if the function returned success then you can expect the out params to be set
521. # [03:42] <RyanVM> bug#?
522. # [03:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d3876eaace9c - Matthew Gregan - Bug 812937 - Remove unused audio remoting code. r=cjones
523. # [03:43] <jwir3> bz: cool, thanks.
524. # [03:43] <@bz> jwir3: that "if" is key. If you look at the impl, it becomes pretty obvious that if return is not success, they are in fact _not_ set in this case. ;)
525. # [03:43] <jwir3> ok
526. # [03:44] <cabanier> RyanVM: 748433
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529. # [03:44] <cabanier> Ryan: I think I used a different email when I logged it
530. # [03:44] <cabanier> RyanVM: 809927 needs to go first
531. # [03:45] <RyanVM> cabanier: do all 3 patches need checking in?
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534. # [03:45] <cabanier> RyanVM: no, the first one should not
535. # [03:45] <cabanier> RyanVM: but I don't know how to obsolete it
536. # [03:45] <RyanVM> can you mark it obsolete? (it's on the details link)
537. # [03:46] <RyanVM> when you brin gthat page up, click the "edit details" link
538. # [03:46] <cabanier> RyanVM: I'll try to log in with my other emal
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540. # [03:47] <njn> philor: have you seen these failures on Mac OS 10.6 before?
541. # [03:47] <njn> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=17189378&tree=Try
542. # [03:47] <njn> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=17189368&tree=Try
543. # [03:47] <cabanier> RyanVM: done
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545. # [03:48] <RyanVM> and the second patch still needs review?
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548. # [03:48] <cabanier> yes
549. # [03:48] <cabanier> it's testfiles for the new feature
550. # [03:48] <philor> njn: that's the result of the way that ftp.m.o can't be resolved at around :10 and :40 after the hour, combined with the way that wget on Mac doesn't feel you need that information, just the information that it exited with code 1
551. # [03:48] <cabanier> I can ask for a review now
552. # [03:48] <RyanVM> ok, then please put [leave open] on the whiteboard so that the bug isn't resolved FIXED when the first patch lands on m-c
553. # [03:48] <philor> njn: retrigger for glory
554. # [03:49] <njn> philor: that's the kind of answer I was looking for! :)
555. # [03:49] <cabanier> RyanVM: OK!
556. # [03:49] <njn> philor: thanks
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558. # [03:50] <@bz> RyanVM: you're handling cabanier's bug?
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561. # [03:51] <RyanVM> bz: not tonight, feel free
562. # [03:51] <RyanVM> bz: i'll get it tomorrow otherwise
563. # [03:52] <@bz> RyanVM: I can't figure out what patches do or don't need landing, so go for it.
564. # [03:52] * @bz focuses on getting reviews done before he gets too tired
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566. # [03:52] <RyanVM> bz: k
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578. # [04:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3c6f2b27ad61 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 812957 - Add memory reporter for Freetype. r=karlt,jlebar
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596. # [04:15] <philor> hmm, someone's leaking on Windows. in mochitest-a11y. 323 Accessibles. starting on tbsaunde's push. wonder who it could be?
597. # [04:15] <KWierso|Home> wasn't me, I swear!
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625. # [04:31] <KWierso|Home> why not uplift both?
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627. # [04:32] <nrc> bz: ping
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630. # [04:35] <jlebar> mattwoodrow: Do I remember you talking about cross-compiling gcc a few days ago?
631. # [04:36] <mattwoodrow> jlebar: nope, wasn't me sorry
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643. # [04:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/42397b5d73e6 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out c30e4f22b9e2 (bug 791244) for orange, a=bustage
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648. # [04:52] <jlebar> gps++ for asking that we branch B2G to a new branch, instead of landing on beta.
649. # [04:53] <jlebar> (That deserves way more than one point of karma, actually.)
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654. # [04:56] <philor> oh, oops, forgot I had something to back out on the usual backout tree
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658. # [04:59] <philor> heh, and I also didn't notice the size of the leak, 9223372036854970900 bytes is pretty impressive
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662. # [05:03] <gps> jlebar: I've been casually asking that question for weeks and nobody has yet told me why we don't have a project branch for B2G!
663. # [05:03] <gps> I'm sure I'm not asking the right people
664. # [05:03] <jlebar> gps: There's a b2g-release-drivers mailing list.
665. # [05:03] <Jesse> philor: 2^63 + 195092
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667. # [05:04] * gps grabs beer and opens email composer
668. # [05:04] <philor> and I will love him and hug him and squeeze him and call him Aviary Branch
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670. # [05:04] <jlebar> gps: (@mozilla.org)
671. # [05:05] <gps> jlebar: thanks
672. # [05:05] <Jesse> or, if you're brave, you could ask in a public and non-b2g-specific place
673. # [05:05] <Jesse> like dev-planning
674. # [05:05] <jlebar> gps: No, thank /you/.
675. # [05:05] * jlebar has used up all his confrontation points for the calendar year
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677. # [05:06] <Jesse> jlebar: no you didn't
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679. # [05:06] <Jesse> (i'm just being confrontational to create a paradox)
680. # [05:06] <jlebar> Yeah, that was pretty good, actually.
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682. # [05:06] <jlebar> I guess I can only reply with "meh".
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684. # [05:08] <Jesse> jlebar: that works as long as you don't run out of indifference points
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706. # [05:26] <bsmith> I am backing it out now
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715. # [05:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/58b9ad5a8043 - Brian Smith - Backed out changeset ef6db4ced917 (bug 804663) due to build bustage, a=bustage
716. # [05:32] <philor> I'll save it for accessible/events/test_textattrchange.html | Test timed out instead!
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718. # [05:34] <jlebar> froydnj: So…would you be interested in cross-compiling ld.bfd for me? Or helping me figure it out?
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720. # [05:34] <jlebar> froydnj: Oh, maybe glandium already has instructions for me.
721. # [05:34] <jlebar> http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2146
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723. # [05:35] <jlebar> Yay.
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725. # [05:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42021cfc7be4 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 811203 (part 1) - Inline XPTMethodDescriptor::result. r=khuey.
726. # [05:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d2da0aa2af5b - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 811203 (part 2) - Pack the fields in XPTInterfaceDescriptor better. r=khuey.
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729. # [05:36] * jlebar lols at the first comment: "This is exactly what I needed to jumpstart my attempts to build a *proper* Fortran compiler for Android! Thank you!!"
730. # [05:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b2bfb82c9687 - Geoff Brown - Bug 812791 - Correct typo in ctm-singular-sanity reftest; r=cjones
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732. # [05:37] <glob> jlebar, i... um..
733. # [05:37] <glob> scary.
734. # [05:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4a5a32f5c5b8 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 1b6d5e373bcc (bug 812845) for timeouts in accessible/events/test_textattrchange.html
735. # [05:39] <gps> jlebar: release drivers emailed! I guess we'll see what happens
736. # [05:40] <jlebar> gps: Indeed. Thanks again for asking.
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750. # [05:57] <bjacob> HOLY CRAP
751. # [05:57] <bjacob> i've been debugging for hours why my debug build with my patch would exit during startup
752. # [05:57] <bjacob> turns out i just needed to do a real 'make' instead of just re-make-ing a subdir
753. # [05:57] <bjacob> well, i am glad we are investing in a new build system
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756. # [05:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/50a2b272be96 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 678454 - coalesce events by accessible tree, r=tbsaunde
757. # [05:58] <jdm> bjacob: yeah, I had that a couple weeks ago
758. # [05:58] <bjacob> jlebar: on a more positive note, my patch now works
759. # [05:58] <bjacob> jdm: i had thoughts of "who fucked my washing machine" song
760. # [05:59] <jdm> bjacob: I, um. am not familiar with that?
761. # [05:59] <bjacob> jdm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bffHSQy4hmw
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763. # [06:00] <cabanier> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/MPL/licensepolicy.html has no content ^o)
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765. # [06:01] <heycam> cabanier, there is http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/license-policy.html -- bad link on the previous page?
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767. # [06:02] <cabanier> heycam: I clicked on the link in http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/committer/committers-agreement.pdf
768. # [06:04] <heycam> cabanier, they're not clickable for me
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770. # [06:04] <heycam> cabanier, but I copy/pasted the link, and it got an inadvertent space after the hyphen, and the server redirected to include the "en-US/" bit, then 404
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775. # [06:05] <cabanier> ah
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777. # [06:06] <cabanier> heycam: if I click the link in Acrobat it works, but from chrome, it takes me to the wrong page
778. # [06:06] <cabanier> heycam: must be a bug in the pdf's URL
779. # [06:06] <heycam> could be
780. # [06:09] <cabanier> heycam: where is the MPL listed?
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782. # [06:09] <KWierso|Home> works when I drag/select the link and right-click -> Open Link from PDF.js :)
783. # [06:09] <cabanier> heycam: never mind!
784. # [06:10] <heycam> KWierso|Home, strange that it doesn't appear as a link for me in either PDF.js or OS X Preview
785. # [06:11] <KWierso|Home> yeah, no link, but if you select a URLish bit of text, Firefox lets you treat it like a link from the context menu
786. # [06:11] <heycam> ah
787. # [06:12] <heycam> (still not for me. my nightly is a few weeks old though.)
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791. # [06:18] <njn> bsmith: do you know about NSS ?
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794. # [06:19] <bsmith> njn: sure
795. # [06:19] <njn> bsmith: does it allow custom memory allocators?
796. # [06:19] <bsmith> you mean, other than malloc?
797. # [06:20] <njn> bsmith: yes
798. # [06:20] <bsmith> other than replacing malloc, I mean
799. # [06:20] <njn> um
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801. # [06:20] <njn> can you replace malloc with another function of the same signature?
802. # [06:20] <njn> some libraries let you provide your own malloc/free at initialization
803. # [06:21] <bsmith> usually memory allocation is done through PORT_Alloc in NSS
804. # [06:21] <bsmith> but, you might have problems where PORT_Alloc'd memory is free'd with free() instead of PORT_Free
805. # [06:21] <bsmith> especially in Gecko code that calls NSS functions
806. # [06:21] <bsmith> But, potentially you could replace the implementation of PORT_Alloc
807. # [06:22] <njn> bsmith: but there's no ready-made mechanism for doing this?
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809. # [06:22] <bsmith> no
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812. # [06:23] <njn> bsmith: I see, it calls PR_Malloc and PL_ARENA_ALLOCATE directly
813. # [06:24] <njn> bsmith: I'm just thinking about a memory reporter for NSS, because I see it taking up 400+ KiB on desktop at startup
814. # [06:25] <heycam> after updating my Nightly, I've now got a Tools > Facebook Messenger menu with a single menu item in it, "Remove from Nightly"
815. # [06:25] <heycam> don't know what that means
816. # [06:25] <njn> bsmith: but it doesn't look like that will be easy
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818. # [06:25] <@bz> heycam: social api?
819. # [06:26] <heycam> bz, I assume so, but then I'd expect there to be some menu items other than just Remove :)
820. # [06:26] <njn> heycam: tell gavin, or jaws, or felipe
821. # [06:26] <markh> heycam: hrm - something things the social stuff has been enabled
822. # [06:26] <njn> or markh :)
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824. # [06:26] <markh> :)
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826. # [06:26] <bsmith> njn: "at startup" isn't precise enough.
827. # [06:26] <njn> bsmith: when viewing about:home, immediately after startup
828. # [06:26] <markh> heycam: does about:config show social.active or social.enabled as true?
829. # [06:26] <heycam> markh, both false
830. # [06:27] <bsmith> njn: it would be interestig to do the memory measurement before/acter nsNSSComponent::Init()
831. # [06:27] <njn> bsmith: the memory reporters usually work by tracing data structures and measuring them that way
832. # [06:27] <bsmith> regardless, I suspect NSS is going to use a few hundred KB for the certificate database
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834. # [06:28] <njn> bsmith: here's an example allocation: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1948754
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836. # [06:28] <bsmith> One thing that is worth trying is to make nsNSSComponent::IdentityInfoInit() a no-op and measure
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838. # [06:28] <bsmith> if the memory usage drops, then I can solve that easily enough (at startup)
839. # [06:29] <njn> bsmith: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1948755 is another
840. # [06:29] <njn> bsmith: unfortunately the measurements between runs are noisy enough that measuring that difference is very hard
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842. # [06:29] <njn> bsmith: we easily get more than a few 100KiB variation
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845. # [06:30] <njn> bsmith: CERT_FindCertByIssuerAndSN (/home/njn/moz/mi4/security/nss/lib/certdb/stanpcertdb.c:484)
846. # [06:30] <njn> that shows up in 418 KB worth of allocation stacks
847. # [06:31] <njn> ssl_Do1stHandshake shows up in 277 KB
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849. # [06:31] <markh> heycam: did you ever activate it in your profile?
850. # [06:31] <njn> NSSTrustDomain_FindCertificateByIssuerAndSerialNumber in 243 KB
851. # [06:31] <heycam> markh, no
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853. # [06:32] <markh> heycam: I'm guessing bug 813375, but it's hard to know for sure.
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856. # [06:34] <heycam> markh, mm ok. (I didn't seem to get a toolbar button, just that menu item.)
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858. # [06:35] <bsmith> njn: TBH, if the NSS cert db is only using ~400KB then I would be happy
859. # [06:35] <bsmith> NSS has to search through lots of certificates to build cert chains for validation
860. # [06:35] <njn> bsmith: sure; I'm mostly interested in coverage
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862. # [06:36] <bsmith> njn: we can change the NSS code to tag allocations with some kind of identifier, if that helps
863. # [06:36] <bsmith> especially the bigger kinds
864. # [06:39] <markh> heycam: yeah, I get that too in a profile that's never had it enabled. I'll file a bug
865. # [06:39] <heycam> markh, just did: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=813436
866. # [06:39] <markh> (after updating to nightly)
867. # [06:39] <markh> awesome :)
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870. # [06:43] <mjrosenb> hey, is there a spec for js spec for its regex engine?
871. # [06:43] <markh> heycam: about now you may be thinking "why the hell doesn't he just put all those comments in a single comment" and you'd be right :)
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873. # [06:43] <heycam> markh, stream of consciousness, I like it :)
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877. # [06:48] <Mook> mjrosenb: you might want to start at http://www.ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/#sec-15.10.1 ?
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880. # [06:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/001744f7b0ff - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 813433 - Make nsMediaSniffer accept null request arguments; r=bzbarsky
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883. # [06:52] <hsivonen> Jesse: yes. The non-default switch-cases are the same as above, so won’t match if they didn’t match above
884. # [06:53] <mjrosenb> Mook: actually, better question, what is the maximum length of a string in js?
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886. # [06:54] <Mook> I... suspect that isn't in the spec :)
887. # [06:54] <mjrosenb> :/
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889. # [06:55] <mjrosenb> looks like the new regex jit will throw an assertion if you have a regex with .{2147483648,} in it
890. # [06:55] <mjrosenb> which kind of makes sense
891. # [06:55] <Mook> the user would probably flip the table before that matches (or not).
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921. # [07:05] <philor> oh, neat, somebody broke Win PGO
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923. # [07:07] <KWierso|Home> again, not my fault
924. # [07:07] <KWierso|Home> I swears it
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927. # [07:08] <mjrosenb> philor: I recommend you go bug the population of butterflies in rural china.
928. # [07:09] <ewong> I thought it was South America?
929. # [07:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4fddad78629a - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 812427 part.1 Remove unused event struct type r=roc
930. # [07:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9d5bb3935ef9 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 812427 part.3 Remove NS_POPUP_EVENT r=roc+smaug
931. # [07:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da4c2191ba17 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 812427 part.2 Make event struct type named enumeration r=roc+smaug
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936. # [07:12] <jlebar> What is zlib/src/Makefile.in missing such that it doesn't create a static library libmozz.a?
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941. # [07:18] <kanha> Hi, I have fixed some bugs on Mozilla but i am not able to see it in my account.How can i find these bugs details?
942. # [07:19] <KWierso|Home> kanha: eh? you mean in bugzilla or something?
943. # [07:20] <kanha> yes
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945. # [07:20] <KWierso|Home> kanha: so the "My Bugs" link at the bottom-left of the bugzilla page doesn't show your stuff?
946. # [07:21] <kanha> it doesn't show resolved bugs
947. # [07:21] <KWierso|Home> (assuming you're signed into bugzilla)
948. # [07:21] <KWierso|Home> you can edit the search
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952. # [07:21] <KWierso|Home> with the "edit search" link
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954. # [07:22] <KWierso|Home> and then change what's selected in the Status or Resolution sections
955. # [07:22] <KWierso|Home> :)
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957. # [07:25] <philor> could someone either cc me on bug 812665 or paste https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e2585ed54a5c in it and set the milestone to 20 and resolve it if it doesn't say anything about leave open?
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959. # [07:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/722b6d63295b - Kan-Ru Chen (陳侃如) - Bug 806363 - Remove wake locks on content-shutdown. r=jlebar a=blocking-basecamp
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962. # [07:30] <gwagner_> philor: added you
963. # [07:30] <philor> thx
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987. # [07:48] <kanha> what should i write in search box to see mybugs having status: all
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989. # [07:50] <glob> kanha, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=quicksearch.html
990. # [07:51] <glob> kanha, for me (glob@mozilla.com), i'd do: ALL @glob@mozilla.com
991. # [07:52] <glob> kanha, have a look at the end of the help page for the shortcuts i used
992. # [07:52] <kanha> glob: thanks :)
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996. # [07:57] <kanha> glob: still am not able to view it.It took me to a page where its written "Zarro Boogs found. File a new bug Edit this search Start a new search"
997. # [07:57] <glob> kanha, what's your bugzilla login?
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1000. # [07:57] <kanha> id?
1001. # [07:58] <glob> kanha, email/id/username/login :)
1002. # [07:58] <kanha> abhishekkumarsingh.cse@gmail.com
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1005. # [07:59] <glob> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL %40abhishekkumarsingh.cse%40gmail.com
1006. # [07:59] <glob> oops
1007. # [07:59] <glob> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+%40abhishekkumarsingh.cse%40gmail.com
1008. # [08:01] <kanha> glob: thanks :) can you tell me what was problem with the search i was doing?
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1011. # [08:01] <glob> kanha, what search were you doing?
1012. # [08:01] <kanha> ALL@abhishekkumarsingh.cse@gmail.com
1013. # [08:02] <glob> no space after ALL
1014. # [08:02] <kanha> so space was problem?
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1016. # [08:02] <glob> yes
1017. # [08:03] <kanha> glob: thanks dude
1018. # [08:03] <glob> kanha, yw :)
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1042. # [08:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3cd0b7de627 - Chris Jones - Bug 799768: Only bother computing an invalid rect if it affects composition and enable omtc for X11 b2g builds. r=mattwoodrow
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1048. # [08:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a670db3bb816 - Paul Adenot - Bug 812667 - Make soundtouch compile properly if cpuid.h is not present. r=khuey
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1056. # [08:42] <glandium> has anyone had the problem that a normal build (nightly or release) of firefox would hang at startup after running a local build on mac?
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1062. # [08:51] <glandium> this makes no sense... it's stuck in ReadAnnotationEntry... which isn't in the tree anymore, but does match in /Applications/Nightly.app/Contents/MacOS/XUL
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1065. # [08:52] <glandium> gah, i was starting a very old nightly
1066. # [08:54] <glandium> however, Firefox 16 *is* hanging
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1073. # [09:01] <glandium> 17 freezes too
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1075. # [09:02] <mjrosenb> glandium: 16 is *quite* an old nightly.
1076. # [09:02] <glandium> mjrosenb: release 16
1077. # [09:04] <glandium> aurora 18 is ok
1078. # [09:04] <glandium> so it would seem that something in either 18 or 19 breaks running the same profile with 17 and older
1079. # [09:06] <glandium> and the crash reporter doesn't work :(
1080. # [09:06] <glandium> i get osx's crash report if i kill -11 firefox
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1264. # [12:23] <kaie> bug 813493
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1271. # [12:27] <mjrosenb> kaie: classy.
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1278. # [12:33] <mounir> hsivonen: ping
1279. # [12:34] <mounir> hsivonen: I've heard you have IE10 :)
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1299. # [12:52] <kaie> mjrosenb, thanks for your hint
1300. # [12:52] <mjrosenb> kaie: not a problem!
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1319. # [13:15] <hsivonen> mounir: pong
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1323. # [13:17] <mounir> hsivonen: I found an answer to my question, un-ping ;)
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1326. # [13:20] <hsivonen> mounir: ok
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1354. # [13:49] <edmorley> (for anyone waiting, the next inbound -> m-c merge is blocked on the pgo-fixing-backout being pgo green on windows https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=38f5af022bf7)
1355. # [13:49] <edmorley> so another few hours
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1364. # [13:55] <mcsmurf> padenot: yt?
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1379. # [14:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14be32aa7408 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 772830 - Add some regalloc asserts. r=dvander
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1381. # [14:14] <padenot> mcsmurf: yup
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1383. # [14:15] <mcsmurf> padenot: I'm wondering about Bug 779997, so that patch was supposed to land after the merge yesterday?
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1385. # [14:15] <mcsmurf> padenot: or will you also request approval for aurora?
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1387. # [14:16] <padenot> ah, it was supposed to go on aurora
1388. # [14:16] <padenot> i suppose I got the uplift date wrong
1389. # [14:16] <mcsmurf> ah ok :)
1390. # [14:17] <padenot> I mean, it was supposed to go on 19, whatever name we gave it
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1395. # [14:20] <bjacob> glandium: mozilla/MacroHelpers.h: No such file or directory
1396. # [14:21] <glandium> bjacob: gah. where is it included from?
1397. # [14:21] <bjacob> glandium: /hack/mozilla-central/memory/build/malloc_decls.h:15:34
1398. # [14:21] <glandium> bjacob: you can remove the include
1399. # [14:21] <bjacob> ok
1400. # [14:21] <glandium> i just forgot to remove it
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1402. # [14:22] <glandium> bjacob: i hope you're building on linux, i know for a fact that mac and win are broken in the last iteration
1403. # [14:22] <glandium> i'm on it
1404. # [14:22] <bjacob> glandium: i am
1405. # [14:23] <bjacob> glandium: i just found a bug in webgl impl thanks to using a replace_malloc lib that checks that pointers passed to malloc functions are actually malloc'd pointers... i wonder if people would be interested in such a tool more generally
1406. # [14:23] <bjacob> glandium: the bug was calling aMallocSizeOf(someArray->Elements())
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1408. # [14:23] <glandium> bjacob: if we were building with jemalloc3 on debug builds, and had jemalloc3 assertions, we'd hit them
1409. # [14:23] <bjacob> cool
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1424. # [14:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d66d35f64802 - Paul Adenot - Bug 810458 - Make mozRTCSessionDescriptor respect the spec. r=jesup
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1426. # [14:45] <bjacob> glandium: in your latest patch, does replace_malloc still take malloc_impl_t pointer? or a struct?
1427. # [14:45] <bjacob> oh, looks like still func pointer
1428. # [14:45] <glandium> bjacob: takes nothing, you need to add a replace_init function that takes a const malloc_table_t *
1429. # [14:46] <bjacob> ah
1430. # [14:46] <bjacob> cool!
1431. # [14:46] <bjacob> perfect
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1434. # [14:47] <bjacob> glandium: do i have to copy that struct, or can i just store that pointer
1435. # [14:48] <glandium> you can store the pointer
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1438. # [14:49] <bjacob> glandium: also, i hadn't seen malloc_good_size. Should i return the exact block size there, as opposed to usable_size which returns as much as we know wont crash?
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1440. # [14:50] <bjacob> oh wait --- it takes a size
1441. # [14:50] <bjacob> i have no idea of what that does
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1443. # [14:50] <glandium> bjacob: malloc_good_size is the equivalent of ptr = malloc(size); ret = malloc_usable_size(ptr); free(ptr); return ret;
1444. # [14:50] <glandium> without allocating
1445. # [14:51] <bjacob> ah
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1447. # [14:51] <bjacob> if i dont implement it, will it correctly fall back to what you wrote above using my replace_malloc functions?
1448. # [14:52] <bjacob> glandium: ^
1449. # [14:52] <bjacob> i guess not, in fact
1450. # [14:52] <glandium> no, it won't
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1454. # [14:54] <glandium> bjacob: depending on what you do, it can be easy, though. if you're not touching the allocations, you can just forward to the original function (or not implement one at all) ; if you're making allocations bigger, you can return the value returned by the original function with the grown size
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1458. # [14:55] <bjacob> glandium: really? that would only work if malloc_good_size(x) == x + Constant
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1460. # [14:56] <bjacob> glandium: rather i am implementing it as http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1949112
1461. # [14:56] <glandium> bjacob: if what your malloc is doing is callign malloc(size+Constant), then malloc_good_size(size+Constant) will work
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1463. # [14:57] <bjacob> glandium: ah, ok
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1465. # [14:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb1af8ca910e - Paul Adenot - Backed out changeset d66d35f64802 because it is wrong.
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1471. # [15:01] <bjacob> glandium: i dont love the je_ prefixes in malloc_table, there is no reason to make this jemalloc specific, is there?
1472. # [15:02] <glandium> bjacob: that would be a bug
1473. # [15:02] <glandium> there shouldn't be any prefix in there
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1475. # [15:02] <bjacob> glandium: oh, i got it wrong
1476. # [15:03] <glandium> bjacob: what does your preprocessed file look like?
1477. # [15:03] <bjacob> glandium: i got a compile error trying to use malloc_table->malloc()
1478. # [15:03] <@bsmedberg-away> huh, I can't multiset the needinfo flag?
1479. # [15:03] <bjacob> then i read the code and misunderstood
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1482. # [15:04] <@bsmedberg> gfritzsche: you around?
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1487. # [15:07] <gfritzsche> bsmedberg: yes
1488. # [15:07] <gfritzsche> bsmedberg: patch for 791244 is wip
1489. # [15:07] <@bsmedberg> gfritzsche: ok, I'll need a review on bug 791244 in a minute
1490. # [15:07] <@bsmedberg> oh heh
1491. # [15:07] <@bsmedberg> I have on going too ;-)
1492. # [15:07] <bjacob> glandium: preprocessed: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/1949137
1493. # [15:08] <glandium> bjacob: that looks normal
1494. # [15:08] <gfritzsche> bsmedberg: heh, well, i'll let you go ahead then i guess
1495. # [15:08] <bjacob> glandium: ah wait, i get an error in malloc_decls.h:16: error: expected unqualified-id before string constant
1496. # [15:08] <bjacob> glandium: that is MOZ_BEGIN_EXTERN_C
1497. # [15:09] <glandium> bjacob: did you remove the mozilla/Types.h include?
1498. # [15:09] <bjacob> glandium: likely because you can't do that inside a struct
1499. # [15:09] <bjacob> glandium: i did not but ^^^
1500. # [15:10] <bjacob> glandium: that is why in my patch there was another macro switch, NOT_AT_FUNCTION_SCOPE, to include malloc_decls there
1501. # [15:10] <glandium> ah, i never built as C++
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1503. # [15:13] <glandium> bjacob: try this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1949154
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1505. # [15:13] <glandium> the MOZ_BEGIN_EXTERN_C block is probably useless in malloc_decls.h at all
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1508. # [15:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5662d8cc819b - Alexander Surkov - Bug 812844 - densify nsAccDocManager, r=tbsaunde
1509. # [15:20] <bjacob> glandium: works
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1512. # [15:20] <@bsmedberg> Callek|buildduty: can I push a beta tree to try?
1513. # [15:21] <Callek|buildduty> bsmedberg: you *can* I don't know what is different between try and beta as far as builders/etc atm though
1514. # [15:22] <@bsmedberg> hrm, what OS will get me the fastest Moth results nowadays?
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1516. # [15:22] <Callek|buildduty> bsmedberg: with our fedora backlogs probably mac, ironically
1517. # [15:23] <@bsmedberg> that's thoroughly amazing ;-)
1518. # [15:23] <gfritzsche> anyone else seeing buglink tooltips on bugzilla missing or instantly vanishing? (win7 fwiw)
1519. # [15:24] <glob> gfritzsche, i have not noticed that (osx/nightly)
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1521. # [15:24] <gfritzsche> glob: thanks, filing
1522. # [15:24] <gfritzsche> hm, what component though?
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1525. # [15:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24ad2de34061 - Simon Montagu - Changes to existing tests caused by bug 548206
1526. # [15:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a64c112c6858 - Simon Montagu - More tests for bug 548206, r=ehsan
1527. # [15:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b7e492bf7c13 - Simon Montagu - Implementation of HTML5 dir=auto. Bug 548206, r=ehsan, peterv
1528. # [15:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ce04cb1af0a0 - Simon Montagu - Add EnumerateEntries to nsCheapSet. Bug 809446, r=bsmedberg
1529. # [15:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4bd4aabbaf28 - Matitiahu Allouche - Tests for dir=auto (Bug 548206) from w3c HTML5 test suite, r=smontagu
1530. # [15:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/84b9a773104b - Simon Montagu - Dynamic tests for bug 548206, r=ehsan
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1539. # [15:36] <evilpie> how do you test in a chrome test that a new tab with a specific url was loaded?
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1549. # [15:41] <mcsmurf> evilpie: wait a second
1550. # [15:41] <mcsmurf> evilpie: I've seen that a few days ago :)
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1553. # [15:41] <mcsmurf> evilpie: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/browser/test/browser/browser_pluginnotification.js#600
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1557. # [15:42] <mcsmurf> err sorry
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1560. # [15:42] <mcsmurf> actually, this is how it works in SeaMonkey ;)
1561. # [15:42] <mcsmurf> this is how it works in Firefox: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/browser/base/content/test/browser_pluginnotification.js#594
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1563. # [15:43] <mcsmurf> (a bit easier as the UI is different)
1564. # [15:43] <evilpie> great thanks
1565. # [15:44] <mcsmurf> maybe you want to listen to another event
1566. # [15:44] <mcsmurf> as I dunno if you want to check if it actually loaded that page
1567. # [15:44] <mcsmurf> or if it only started the pageload
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1572. # [15:47] <evilpie> page load is good enough
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1575. # [15:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2b3982c803ec - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 808699 - Change the wire format for hang reports. r=vladan.
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1581. # [15:56] <espindola> !seen ted
1582. # [15:56] <firebot> ted was last seen 78 seconds ago, saying 'interesting' in #media.
1583. # [15:56] <@ted> hey
1584. # [15:56] <@ted> sorry
1585. # [15:56] <@ted> i am failing at things
1586. # [15:57] <Ms2ger> News at 11
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1588. # [15:58] <evilpie> smaug: ping
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1597. # [16:06] <@smaug> evilpie: still dealing with the problem. I'll pong soon
1598. # [16:06] <jprmc> KaiRo: able to discuss the gfx top crashes in 30 minutes?
1599. # [16:06] <jprmc> lmandel: let's do it
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1605. # [16:14] <KaiRo> jprmc: uh, due to release day, I forgot about that, it came in so late
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1610. # [16:17] <KaiRo> jprmc: I'll try to make it, but I'm not sure how concentrated I can be on this today
1611. # [16:17] <KaiRo> between all the release stuff
1612. # [16:17] <nemo> see. stuff like this it would be useful if he had saved about:memory
1613. # [16:17] <nemo> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3263221&cid=42041207
1614. # [16:18] <nemo> but. on the other hand. it does remind me of the weird behaviour I've been noticing in Firefox Nightly (but then again, I only use nightly) on 2 different machines and profiles where firefox sucks up all available memory to heap unclassified - although minimise memory usage in about:memory does seem to clean it up...
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1616. # [16:18] <nemo> come back to browser in the morning and, hey, my computer is thrashing. yay. oh well. risk of nightlies I suppose, although I've used 'em for years w/o surprises like that
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1627. # [16:23] <jprmc> KaiRo: ok, would tomorrow be better?
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1630. # [16:23] <jprmc> KaiRo: maybe a half hour earlier?
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1632. # [16:25] <KaiRo> jprmc: tomorrow any time other than 11-12 Pacific would probably be better, yes
1633. # [16:25] <jprmc> KaiRo: thanks, will move
1634. # [16:26] <KaiRo> doesn't need to be earlier, I only have that one slot booked tomorrow
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1638. # [16:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67278b9bea6f - Ed Morley - Bug 812135 - Use the checkForZombies result to determine run status; r=jmaher
1639. # [16:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5cdd053b2788 - Ed Morley - Bug 808410 - Ensure retVal is set even when mochitest.cleanup did not generate an exception; r=ahal
1640. # [16:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/11b11d72993c - Ed Morley - Bug 812135 - checkForZombies should return the result; r=jmaher
1641. # [16:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/470669b03c2f - Ed Morley - Bug 808410 - Callers of checkForCrashes should use its return value to ensure shutdown crashes actually make the run fail; r=jmaher f=gps
1642. # [16:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ed85ba08942 - Ed Morley - Bug 808410 - Ensure non-zero return values for robocop tests aren't overwritten by later success; r=gbrown
1643. # [16:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/966b4616dfac - Ed Morley - Bug 808410 - Make peptest's checkForCrashes more consistent with the version in automationutils.py; r=jmaher
1644. # [16:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/55ea556dffb9 - Ed Morley - Bug 808410 - checkForCrashes should return true for cases where we hit an exception during minidump stackwalk; r=jmaher
1645. # [16:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0a6c0c3cd8d - Ed Morley - Bug 808410 - remotereftest.py shouldn't ignore the runTests() exit code; r=jmaher
1646. # [16:30] <@smaug> evilpie: pong
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1650. # [16:31] <evilpie> smaug: do you want to review bug 676619? bz suggested you
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1658. # [16:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c075f70f87aa - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 791244 - undo the pref for the temporary hang server for beta releases, a=akeybl
1659. # [16:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6b7555896aa3 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 791244 test fixup - allow for the pref to be unset by default, r=gfritzsche
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1664. # [16:40] <@smaug> evilpie: I guess so. (bz must have looked at my review queue :p )
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1666. # [16:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eaa18c12cba7 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 791244 test fixup - allow for the pref to be unset by default, r=gfritzsche
1667. # [16:42] <evilpie> smaug: hehe not for long
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1678. # [16:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ec8fba88e7b - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 805292 - Make a 'pick' activity without a type to work, r=mounir
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1692. # [16:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e68e9dcdaaeb - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 813076 - Upgrade clang to 168304 in the 3.2 branch. r=rail.
1693. # [16:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dc876e45639c - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 813076 - Upgrade clang to 168304 in the 3.2 branch. r=rail.
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1701. # [17:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc69705c162d - Phil Ringnalda - Merge last PGO-green changeset of mozilla-inbound to mozilla-central
1702. # [17:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/74f765e3695b - Ed Morley - Merge mozilla-central to mozilla-inbound
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1716. # [17:11] <Callek|buildduty> edmorley: philor: fyi, I manually hacked up tegras on foopy27 to kill themselves off
1717. # [17:12] <Callek|buildduty> it will output an obvious error in verify.py
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1719. # [17:12] <Callek|buildduty> I can't recall if it will auto-retry or not though
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1721. # [17:12] <edmorley> Callek|buildduty: ta
1722. # [17:12] <Callek|buildduty> (its in prep of a foopy mod in ~ an hour, rather than needing me to graceful the whole master)
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1724. # [17:13] <dao> joe_walker: what's left for dolske to review in bug 788977, beyond the stuff that I reviewed?
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1726. # [17:14] <joe_walker> dao: one tick - in meeting, will get back to you
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1731. # [17:17] <joe_walker> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=26d4fb2ee88c
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1751. # [17:27] <Yoric> ttaubert: Ok, I believe that I have bug 532150 up and running.
1752. # [17:27] <Yoric> (pending TryServer, of course)
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1766. # [17:37] <joe_walker> dao: I'm back - sorry I took your r+ to be mostly css, but if you're giving r+ for the browser then that's even better
1767. # [17:37] <joe_walker> thanks
1768. # [17:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c11b7ff56b0d - Joel Maher - Bug 813105 - upload a new talos.zip to turn datazilla back on. r=Callek
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1771. # [17:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eaa549c9bce7 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 813419. Add a non-null-checking version of xpc_UnmarkGrayObject. r=mccr8
1772. # [17:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/910b2560ac11 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 812789. Remove some dead code for converting jsvals to Matrix objects. r=nrc
1773. # [17:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/800bbc129578 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 813423. A bit more inlining for stuff that should really be inline. r=peterv
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1777. # [17:41] <jrmuizel> ehsan: http://masweb.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp/~k-nkgwj/webrtc/test/multihost-datachannel/
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1782. # [17:44] <jesup|laptop> http://masweb.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp/~k-nkgwj/webrtc/test/multihost-datachannel/
1783. # [17:45] <jesup|laptop> wrong channel....
1784. # [17:45] <jesup|laptop> thanks for the link
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1840. # [18:09] <crypt> Hi .. Need some help … Does Nv3DVStreaming CoCreateInstance failed error relate anyway to <video> element data rendering
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1880. # [18:31] <nemo> hm. I noticed that when I start private browsing, search terms in my search bar remain. that means that if I edit it, autocomplete fires that data off to a remote server. would that be considered a private browsing mode leak?
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1886. # [18:34] <jorendorff> I'm working on bug 771490 (no line numbers when debugging onclick handler)
1887. # [18:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/75821787b343 - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 795104 - Sources with a custom charset can't be lazily loaded. r=bz
1888. # [18:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b1cb8ff6e836 - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 795104 - Don't abort compression, which isn't happening. r=jorendorff
1889. # [18:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/19c1fef93710 - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 795104 - Load source if needed in JS_DecompileScript. r=jorendorff
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1891. # [18:35] <jorendorff> I think I need to store the line number of event-handling attributes from the parser through to nsEventListenerManager::CompileEventHandlerInternal.
1892. # [18:35] <jorendorff> Anybody got advice?
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1940. # [18:56] <glandium> bjacob: you know what replace-malloc could easily be used for? fuzzing: randomly returning NULL from malloc and see what happens
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1995. # [19:17] <jprmc> khuey: are you good with discussing the namespace stuff in ~45 minutes at the meeting?
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1998. # [19:19] <Waldo> aarghj
1999. # [19:19] <Waldo> s/j//
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2003. # [19:20] * Waldo wishes try would give PGO builds without needing to apply hackery to get a PGO build
2004. # [19:20] <Waldo> also, I hate Windows
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2007. # [19:21] <@ted> it's a 1-line mozconfig patch
2008. # [19:21] <@ted> that's not terribly difficult
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2010. # [19:22] <@khuey> jprmc: did you see the email I sent?
2011. # [19:22] <glandium> ted: 1-line in n mozconfigs
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2013. # [19:23] <jprmc> khuey: i did not, let me look
2014. # [19:23] <@ted> glandium: if you just want win32 pgo builds, it's just one file
2015. # [19:23] <@ted> glandium: also, we have common mozconfigs now, don't we?
2016. # [19:23] <glandium> ted: do we?
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2018. # [19:23] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/mozconfig.common
2019. # [19:23] <@ted> yeah, sfink added those
2020. # [19:24] <@ted> that one gets sourced by all mozconfigs
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2022. # [19:24] <jprmc> khuey: ah, ok, doesn't require consensus to discuss (goal is to help drive consensus), but we can let it bake for another week
2023. # [19:24] <glandium> ted: ah, nice
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2052. # [19:33] <mayhemer> sicking: hi
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2055. # [19:34] <sicking> mayhemer: hey, remind me how much the localStorage work you're doing is going to affect the IO strategy. All writes will be async, right?
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2057. # [19:34] <mayhemer> sicking: exactly, all we be fully async
2058. # [19:34] <mayhemer> actually a writeback cache
2059. # [19:34] <mayhemer> single per origin
2060. # [19:34] <sicking> mayhemer: sweet. But reads are still blocking?
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2063. # [19:35] <mayhemer> sicking: might, but I have a preload capability
2064. # [19:35] <sicking> mayhemer: or are you doing any of the "pause webpage until we've loaded localstroage" work?
2065. # [19:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/80afbd9cf1e5 - Andrew Halberstadt - Bug 812514 - Make b2g emulator unittests save logcat for easier debugging, r=jgriffin, a=NPOTB,test-only
2066. # [19:35] <sicking> mayhemer: oh, interesting
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2068. # [19:35] <mayhemer> sicking: we also can do that! :)
2069. # [19:35] <@bz> mayhemer: are you planning to work on bug 812167
2070. # [19:35] <@bz> mayhemer: ?
2071. # [19:35] <mayhemer> bz: checking...
2072. # [19:36] <lmandel> http://bit.ly/XFSMl3
2073. # [19:36] <mayhemer> bz: I can take it
2074. # [19:36] <mayhemer> how urgent is it?
2075. # [19:36] <sicking> mayhemer: we don't need to do too much in the initial rewrite
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2077. # [19:36] <mayhemer> sicking: it is already almost done :)
2078. # [19:36] <@bz> mayhemer: well, would be nice to fix, since it's pretty broken behavior
2079. # [19:36] <sicking> mayhemer: i was just curious how far your current patches would get us
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2081. # [19:36] <sicking> mayhemer: yay!!
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2084. # [19:37] <mayhemer> sicking: not script blocking, but preloads
2085. # [19:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a2e859e77d2 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 813640 - Split out the user event handlers into a separate function for clarity. r=jwir3
2086. # [19:37] <@bz> mayhemer: but I don't think it's worth backporting, so figure "oh, sometime this cycle"?
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2088. # [19:37] <mayhemer> sicking: however when preload is not done, we may block the main thread
2089. # [19:37] <mayhemer> bz: ok, sounds good :) I'll set tracking request
2090. # [19:37] <sicking> mayhemer: sounds great!
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2092. # [19:38] <mayhemer> sicking: and what is good is that the code so far looks very nice :)
2093. # [19:38] <Ms2ger> mayhemer, btw, I guess I get to rewrite bug 660237 after ;)
2094. # [19:38] <sicking> mayhemer: great!
2095. # [19:39] <sicking> mayhemer: no more 4 layers of wrapping to get to the actual data? :)
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2097. # [19:39] <mayhemer> sicking: there are layers, but not that stupid as now
2098. # [19:39] <sicking> mayhemer: hehe
2099. # [19:39] <sicking> mayhemer: are you doing both sessionstorage and localstorage?
2100. # [19:39] <sicking> mayhemer: or just ls?
2101. # [19:39] <mayhemer> sicking: DOM API n<--->1 cache 1<--->1 async db API
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2104. # [19:40] <mayhemer> sicking: both, it's too connected...
2105. # [19:40] <sicking> mayhemer: makes sense
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2109. # [19:41] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: not sure what your patch atually is doing, but please wait for my work first. if you have some ideas for any structural or design changes, please let me know (soon:))
2110. # [19:42] <Ms2ger> mayhemer, it's making DOM calls into your code blazingly fast :)
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2112. # [19:42] <Waldo> ted: given that my normal workflow for trying stuff involves editing only the topmost patch specifying try syntax, editing a mozconfig whose location I'm going to forget is way off the beaten path
2113. # [19:42] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: so it is a change on dom level only?
2114. # [19:42] <Ms2ger> mayhemer, yep
2115. # [19:42] <@ted> okay
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2117. # [19:43] <@ted> just saying that having that in a patch in your mq isn't particularly hard
2118. # [19:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fae73eb102d5 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 813311 - Hide Axis so that it is not unnecessarily exposed to the world. r=Cwiiis
2119. # [19:43] <Ms2ger> mayhemer, the one thing that would help is if RemoveItem told me whether it found the key or not
2120. # [19:43] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: hmm!! that sounds interesting, when I'm done I'll help with updating it
2121. # [19:43] <Waldo> if I remember to have it; I don't, always
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2123. # [19:43] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: no problem
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2125. # [19:44] <Ms2ger> mayhemer, I thought about propagating that information through the seven layers we have now, but I decided against ;)
2126. # [19:44] * Waldo fastidiously tries on a minimum of platforms and configurations as a general rule, going for broke only in rare cases that seem likely to warrant it
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2129. # [19:44] <Waldo> linux64d is usually enough to point out issues concerning the patches I'm writing
2130. # [19:45] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: :D:D:D:D
2131. # [19:45] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: there will be one only ;)
2132. # [19:45] <Ms2ger> mayhemer, I shall dance in the streets! :)
2133. # [19:45] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: :))
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2136. # [19:47] <edmorley> Ms2ger: video or it didn't happen
2137. # [19:47] <Ms2ger> edmorley, then it didn't happen :)
2138. # [19:47] <edmorley> boo
2139. # [19:47] <Ms2ger> edmorley, :)
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2143. # [19:48] <edmorley> you could wear one of those anonymouse masks or something
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2147. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> edmorley, Guy Fawkes? Those are banned in the UAE now
2148. # [19:49] <Ms2ger> I confirm nor deny that I am or have ever been there
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2150. # [19:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb729e54421e - Bill McCloskey - Backout 2ee20348ae59 (bug 747066) for Win64 crashes
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2188. # [20:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/51d2b0ccc4b5 - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 812515 - Land on static text if it is not a list bullet item. r=davidb
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2202. # [20:17] <@bsmedberg> aklotz: did you do the sec review on the flash hang UI bug?
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2211. # [20:19] <Waldo> edmorley: so, for 812218...I loaded the full log from the first red you linked, and for the green before it, and I see the {}-quoted output you pasted in the bug in both logs; do you know where the real error I should care about is? I'm looking and trying to find the actual error location and am semi-failing
2212. # [20:19] <@khuey> the project probably owes him a lifetime supply of something nice by this point
2213. # [20:19] <Callek> khuey++
2214. # [20:19] <Callek> I wonder if Philor will want the honors of physically destroying the tegras when we can
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2217. # [20:20] <edmorley> Waldo: it burnt the tree, so yes unfortunately
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2219. # [20:20] <aklotz> bsmedberg: Not yet, getting patch feedback from vladan first
2220. # [20:20] <@khuey> haha
2221. # [20:20] <Waldo> edmorley: erm, that's not exactly responsive to "do you know where the real error I should care about is?" :-)
2222. # [20:20] <@bsmedberg> aklotz: I would start that process now.
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2224. # [20:21] <edmorley> Waldo: oh sorry I read "do you know where ... I should care about" as "do you know if I should care about"
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2226. # [20:22] <edmorley> Waldo: I don't really know much about pgo, khuey or glandium should know
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2230. # [20:22] <aklotz> bsmedberg: Okay, will do.
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2233. # [20:23] <philor> Waldo: it's the step where it starts the browser up to create the startup cache, so "xpcshell crashes on startup"
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2235. # [20:23] <edmorley> Waldo: I can't find anything more useful in the log, but I don't really know what to look for
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2237. # [20:24] <philor> silently, because we don't want to make things easy
2238. # [20:24] <edmorley> heh
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2240. # [20:25] <@bz> Is NS_QuickSort stable?
2241. # [20:26] <@khuey> probably not
2242. # [20:26] <@bz> ok
2243. # [20:26] <@bz> Are we happy with std::stable_sort ?
2244. # [20:26] <@khuey> efficent quicksort is unstable
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2247. # [20:27] <@khuey> I thought we didn't like std:: :-P
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2258. # [20:31] <@ted> khuey: <algorithm> should be pretty ok
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2260. # [20:32] <Waldo> we're trying to use min/max from <algorithm>
2261. # [20:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1b8b5ca28225 - Joe Drew - Bug 812602 - Don't use the DecodeStyle enum namespace, since it doesn't actually exist. r=jrmuizel
2262. # [20:32] <Waldo> it'd be a little sad if we had to make these decisions on a symbol-by-symbol basis, although maybe it comes to that
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2283. # [20:42] <jdm> anybody want to remind me of the foundation of our beef with the STL?
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2285. # [20:42] <@ehsan> jdm: our beef?
2286. # [20:42] <jdm> yeah, the reason we're reticent to use most of it
2287. # [20:42] <@ehsan> jdm: we're old
2288. # [20:42] <Waldo> various things like STL not being exception-safe, I think
2289. # [20:42] <@ehsan> and silly
2290. # [20:43] <Waldo> also oldness
2291. # [20:43] <@ehsan> ;)
2292. # [20:43] * mattwoodrow is now known as mattwoodrow|away
2293. # [20:43] <Waldo> also STL isn't always optimized for our particular use cases
2294. # [20:43] <Waldo> although this is not really the common case, I suspect
2295. # [20:43] <@bz> Yeah
2296. # [20:43] <@bz> I think the historical reasons and the reasons that really matter now are different
2297. # [20:44] <@ehsan> has anybody actually measured that?
2298. # [20:44] <@bz> I think the reasons that matter now, are in some order:
2299. # [20:44] <@ehsan> I've never see any numbers on it
2300. # [20:44] <@bz> 1) Exception-hell.
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2303. # [20:44] <@bz> 2) Whatever is going on with android.
2304. # [20:44] <@bz> 3) Performance concerns.
2305. # [20:44] <Waldo> ehsan: luke's HashMap stuff he's tested to be demonstrably faster than std::hash_map, I think
2306. # [20:44] <@ehsan> bz: we build STL without exceptions, right?
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2308. # [20:44] <@bz> ehsan: I've measured std::vector vs nsTArray
2309. # [20:44] <@ehsan> bz: what platform?
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2311. # [20:44] <@ehsan> and what were the results?
2312. # [20:44] <@bz> ehsan: Linux, probably 4 years ago
2313. # [20:45] <Waldo> luke's testing was within the last year or two, don't know where offhand
2314. # [20:45] <@ehsan> too bad that STLport died...
2315. # [20:45] <@ehsan> cause another problem is that STL isn't really one thijng
2316. # [20:45] <@ehsan> it's a collection of things
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2318. # [20:46] <Waldo> did it? I thought _AxS_ was working to make linking against it work, which would imply not-deadness, I would naively assume
2319. # [20:46] <espindola> gps, ping
2320. # [20:46] <gps> espindola: pong
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2323. # [20:46] <@ehsan> Waldo: it's no longer maintained iirc
2324. # [20:46] <@bz> ehsan: as far as build stl... not sure
2325. # [20:46] <espindola> gps, on bug 812602, can you check if clang was using c++11 or not?
2326. # [20:46] <@ehsan> and has not been for quite some time
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2328. # [20:47] <@ehsan> bz: by build STL, I mean #including it in code which is compiled without exceptions ;)
2329. # [20:47] <@bz> ehsan: I haven't been following the exact exception situation.
2330. # [20:47] <_AxS_> Waldo: huhwhat? sorry been afk
2331. # [20:47] <gps> espindola: I posted the full command line in the bug
2332. # [20:47] <@bz> ehsan: right. The point is that I think this is not a supported configuration in many cases.
2333. # [20:47] <@ehsan> fwiw back in the day cjones tricked me into verifying that the msvc stl headers behave sanely without exceptions
2334. # [20:47] <gps> espindola: and I don't see that in the arguments
2335. # [20:47] <@ehsan> bz: oh it's not the supported config in any of those cases ;)
2336. # [20:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/9e7aeb6be40a - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 787818. Send activate and deactivate notifications to the correct window. r=enndeakin a=akeybl
2337. # [20:48] <espindola> gps, thanks
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2339. # [20:48] <@bz> ehsan: well, for stl stuff that does not involve allocating or reporting errors...
2340. # [20:48] <@bz> ehsan: no-exceptions should not matter
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2342. # [20:48] <@ehsan> bz: like vector? ;)
2343. # [20:48] <@bz> ehsan: the problem is knowing what those cases are!
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2345. # [20:48] <@bz> ehsan: well, vector obviously relies on exceptions, yes. ;)
2346. # [20:48] <@ehsan> yeah, those cases are pretty rare...
2347. # [20:48] <@bz> ehsan: in general.
2348. # [20:48] <@bz> ehsan: that's the problem.
2349. # [20:48] <@ehsan> yeah I see
2350. # [20:49] <@bz> ehsan: and we'd need them to be ok without exceptions on all our platforms....
2351. # [20:49] <@bz> ehsan: so life is hard. :(
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2354. # [20:49] <benjamin> does anyone know when the beta channel will change?
2355. # [20:49] <mak> sicking: ping
2356. # [20:49] <@ehsan> bz: it is
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2359. # [20:49] <@ehsan> jdm: see what you did there? now everyone's sad
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2361. # [20:50] <_AxS_> Waldo: i'm not working on anything STL related, if that was a question at some point...
2362. # [20:50] <@bz> ehsan: the other issue with perf, really, is lack of control
2363. # [20:50] <Waldo> _AxS_: hm, maybe I'm confusing you with someone else readding stlport support to SpiderMonkey
2364. # [20:50] <@bz> ehsan: With nsTArray we get something we know about on all platforms
2365. # [20:50] <@ted> ehsan: we're using stlport on android, FWIW
2366. # [20:50] <@ehsan> bz: right, and not knowing what exact code we'd end up with
2367. # [20:51] <@ehsan> ted: seriously? I thought that it's dead?
2368. # [20:51] <@bz> ehsan: with std::vector, I think we've measured factor-of-3 differences in perf between platforms. :(
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2372. # [20:51] <@bz> ehsan: I agree that in the vast majority of places where perf is not critical being able to use the STL would be really nice.
2373. # [20:51] <@ehsan> yeah I can totally believe that
2374. # [20:51] <@bz> ehsan: If we can just sort out the exception stuff.
2375. # [20:51] <@ted> ehsan: it may be unmaintained, but it's what we're using
2376. # [20:51] <@ehsan> bz: really what I want us to have is classes with STL interfaces
2377. # [20:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f847258636a - Josh Matthews - Bug 813533 - Ensure windows opened in global private browsing mode with no parent present are still marked as private. r=ehsan
2378. # [20:52] <@ted> bz: i'd even settle for moving our classes to use mostly-STL-compat APIs
2379. # [20:52] * Waldo notes also that stl chooses different designs and perf choices than we want sometimes; std::list versus mozilla::LinkedList is a good example
2380. # [20:52] <@ehsan> so that we can use <algorithm> stuff on them, etc
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2382. # [20:52] <@ted> like s/nsString/mozilla::wstring/
2383. # [20:52] <@ehsan> ted: I see
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2385. # [20:52] <@ted> that would at least make using them less confusing for people with other C++ experience
2386. # [20:52] <Waldo> ted: wstring uses wchar_t, right?
2387. # [20:52] <@ehsan> yeah exactly
2388. # [20:52] <evilpie> smaug: interestingly enough i don't agree with any of these review comments
2389. # [20:52] <biesi> Waldo, sometimes
2390. # [20:52] <biesi> er
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2392. # [20:52] <biesi> Waldo, sorry, yes, it does
2393. # [20:53] <@ted> Waldo: yeah
2394. # [20:53] <@dbaron> khuey, you could perhaps file a bug on the "I wish it told me I was using a version of javascript without 'let' rather than telling me there was a missing semicolon."
2395. # [20:53] <@ted> i think we use char16_t when it's available now, don't we?
2396. # [20:53] * Waldo can't remember if C++11 introduces a string using char16_t
2397. # [20:53] <@ted> i dunno
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2399. # [20:54] <@ehsan> ted: no but we can hopefully do that soon
2400. # [20:54] <@ted> but if we at least had mozilla::string as a string of char16_t with an API that matched std::basic_string
2401. # [20:54] <@ted> that would be cool
2402. # [20:54] <@ehsan> instead of PRUnichar
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2404. # [20:54] <evilpie> smaug: oh bz already commented
2405. # [20:54] <Waldo> note that if we were changing Mozilla's strings, it would probably be better unifying with SpiderMonkey's strings than being STL-ish
2406. # [20:55] <@ted> well
2407. # [20:55] <@ted> two different aims there
2408. # [20:55] <@ehsan> ted: so the last stlport version here is from 2008: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stlport/files/
2409. # [20:55] <@ted> the aim towards using the STL interfaces would be familiarity for people with C++ experience
2410. # [20:55] * Waldo is pretty sure which bz would choose, between the two options!
2411. # [20:55] <@ted> ehsan: i'm sure what we have in-tree is horribly outdated
2412. # [20:55] <@ehsan> Waldo: disagree :)
2413. # [20:55] <@ted> rather, not in-tree but in-NDK
2414. # [20:55] <@smaug> evilpie: any?
2415. # [20:55] <evilpie> yes
2416. # [20:55] <@smaug> not even your over-use of 'if'
2417. # [20:55] <evilpie> yeah
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2419. # [20:56] <@smaug> well, I'm the reviewer, sorry ;)
2420. # [20:56] <@ehsan> Waldo: not everything in spidermonkey is automatically better than the equivalent in gecko
2421. # [20:56] <evilpie> yeah
2422. # [20:56] <@smaug> evilpie: but go with nsAString params if you like
2423. # [20:56] * AutomatedTester|AFK is now known as AutomatedTester
2424. # [20:56] <@smaug> but change then the other param
2425. # [20:56] <evilpie> okay i am going to do that
2426. # [20:56] <@ted> the char16_t support we have is just for literal strings, i guess
2427. # [20:56] <Waldo> ehsan: the reason for unifying with SpiderMonkey isn't that it's better, or worse, or anything; it's that then you don't have marshalling overhead at the Gecko-SpiderMonkey membrane
2428. # [20:57] <evilpie> two line chained conditions is horrible but never mind ...
2429. # [20:57] <@ted> ehsan: i think modern NDKs ship with a non-broken libstdc++
2430. # [20:57] <@ted> so we might actually be able to use that instead
2431. # [20:57] <@ehsan> Waldo: oh I see what you mean. I'm just talking about the class's interface
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2435. # [20:57] <Waldo> SpiderMonkey's strings do optimize more things than std::string does, tho, so there's a fair argument that they're better
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2440. # [20:58] <Waldo> I don't need to make it now, tho :-)
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2444. # [20:58] <Waldo> just making the observation
2445. # [20:58] * _AxS_ puts away his popcorn again
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2449. # [20:58] <@khuey> dbaron: yeah, I think I will
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2452. # [20:59] <@dbaron> Waldo, I believe it has u"" and U""
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2454. # [20:59] <@dbaron> Waldo, the question is what's UTF-8, UTF-16, and UTF-32
2455. # [20:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a6e4b30b1d10 - L. David Baron - Bug 813373, patch 1: Remove pres context parameters from nsStyleAnimation::UncomputeValue. r=dholbert
2456. # [21:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c0b7c15bca4d - Chris Jones - Bug 803908: Enable font inflation for async pan/zoomed browsers. r=dbaron
2457. # [21:00] <Waldo> dbaron: sorry, I meant if there's a std::string16 or something like that, not the u/u8/U prefixes
2458. # [21:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cbf88ae52c5b - L. David Baron - Bug 813373, patch 2: Remove pres context member from ValueWrapper. r=dholbert
2459. # [21:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da575e9f17c4 - L. David Baron - Bug 813373, patch 3: Make sure all style rules have non-empty List implementations. r=bzbarsky
2460. # [21:00] <@ted> clearly we should just ditch UTF-16 strings and simplify things
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2462. # [21:00] <Waldo> I think you can have basic_string parametrized on char type, but that would get verbose fast
2463. # [21:01] <Waldo> if that's the only option
2464. # [21:01] * Waldo != STL person
2465. # [21:01] <Waldo> although I can spec-consult with the best of them :-)
2466. # [21:02] <@ted> well right, i mean, std::string and std::wstring are just specializations of std::basic_string
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2468. # [21:02] <@ted> in any event
2469. # [21:02] <@dbaron> Waldo, oh, and then there's R""
2470. # [21:02] <@ted> i don't think the arguments here are that the STL is inherently better or anything
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2472. # [21:02] <@ted> just that the STL is more-standard-C++
2473. # [21:03] <@ted> which is the direction we've been moving
2474. # [21:03] <Waldo> yup
2475. # [21:03] <@ted> so even just being API-compatible with our own implementations would be a win
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2480. # [21:04] * WG9s would think being API-compatible with our own implementation would always be a win.
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2482. # [21:05] <@dbaron> Waldo, u8"" is char (UTF-8), u"" is char16_t, U"" is char32_t, and L"" is wchar_t
2483. # [21:05] <@dbaron> Waldo, and then there's also R"", u8R"", uR"", and UR""
2484. # [21:05] <@ted> that's so crazy
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2486. # [21:05] <@ted> dbaron: what are the R variants?
2487. # [21:06] <@dbaron> ted, raw string literals
2488. # [21:06] <@dbaron> ted, no escaping, can contain newlines
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2490. # [21:06] <@dolske> O_o
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2493. # [21:07] <@ted> ah
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2497. # [21:08] <jhammel> ctalbert|mtg: whenevs you ready
2498. # [21:08] <jhammel> beh, too late!
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2501. # [21:10] <@dbaron> ted, except raw strings have some weird stuff with delimiters that I don't understand
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2505. # [21:11] <cpeterson> Waldo, bug 796948 is tracking char16_t
2506. # [21:12] <Waldo> cpeterson: yep, I'm aware of it
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2509. # [21:12] <cpeterson> <:)
2510. # [21:12] * Waldo is really waiting for the day we can rely on u/u8 in compilers, tho char16_t is a nice improvement to be sure
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2512. # [21:13] <Waldo> dolske: R is useful for things like regular expressions or quoting text with newlines
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2518. # [21:17] <@ehsan> jdm: is that just a backout patch?
2519. # [21:17] <jdm> ehsan: yes, although the patch is actually empty
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2521. # [21:17] <@ehsan> jdm: I mean, why did you ask review on it?
2522. # [21:17] <@ehsan> heh
2523. # [21:17] <jdm> I can not bother flagging you for the fixed one
2524. # [21:17] <@ehsan> it doesn't need review
2525. # [21:18] <@ehsan> good
2526. # [21:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/88bad356f5a4 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 803924 - Crash with range, splitText. r=smaug
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2528. # [21:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6ee5de769c4a - Mats Palmgren - Bug 804784 - Crash with range, normalize. r=smaug
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2538. # [21:23] <@bz> what's the simplest way to run some code that uses Xrays?
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2540. # [21:23] <@bz> in some sort of console?
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2543. # [21:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc10a4e38e7a - Mario Alvarado [:marioalv] - Bug 806688 - Port browser_privatebrowsing_localStorage_before_after.js to the new per-window PB APIs; r=ehsan
2544. # [21:25] <@ehsan> joe: how did this ever work? https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1b8b5ca28225#l1.12
2545. # [21:25] <joe> ehsan: your guess is as good as mine
2546. # [21:26] <@ehsan> huh
2547. # [21:26] <joe> incredibly derpy compilers?
2548. # [21:26] <@ehsan> that's pretty strange
2549. # [21:26] <@ehsan> yeah
2550. # [21:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/58b09385cd70 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 806693 - Port browser_privatebrowsing_placestitle.js to the new per-window PB APIs; r=ehsan
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2552. # [21:32] <sicking> mak: pong
2553. # [21:33] <mak> sicking: hi, I would like to steal bug 791447 unless you started fixing it already
2554. # [21:33] <mak> sicking: since I suppose you're quite busy atm, and I may have some cycle
2555. # [21:34] <sicking> mak: oh, i'd *love* that
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2557. # [21:34] <mak> sicking: ok, let's do that!
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2559. # [21:35] <sicking> mak: though i don't know how to do that now that we can't land anything for ff17
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2561. # [21:35] <mak> sicking: I have a plan
2562. # [21:35] <sicking> mak: i guess you could transfer the data manually from chromestore.sqlite to webstore.sqlite?
2563. # [21:35] <mak> yep
2564. # [21:35] <mak> well, to prefs
2565. # [21:35] <mak> btw, manual reads
2566. # [21:36] <sicking> prefs is even better :)
2567. # [21:36] <sicking> "manual reads"?
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2569. # [21:36] <mak> yes, manually migrating the data from chromeappstore.sqlite
2570. # [21:37] <mak> ok, thanks, will figure that out in the next day, likely tomorrow
2571. # [21:37] <sicking> yay, you rock!
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2574. # [21:41] <@smaug> Waldo: do we have MOZ_ASSERT which can take const char* as 2nd param
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2576. # [21:41] <@smaug> looks like the normal MOZ_ASSERT requires a literal
2577. # [21:42] <@smaug> maybe I could use MOZ_ReportAssertionFailure
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2580. # [21:42] <cabanier> can someone submit the patch of 748433 and 809927 to the trybot?
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2596. # [21:51] <cabanier> can someone submit the patches in 748433 and 809927 to the trybot?
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2600. # [21:53] <dholbert> bz, can I generally assume that a frame w/ an anonymous-box pseudo tag will have a non-anonymous descendant?
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2603. # [21:54] <dholbert> cabanier, sure, I will
2604. # [21:55] <cabanier> dholbert: thanks! 748433 has 2 patches and 809927 has one. They all have to go in
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2606. # [21:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e977d28f1243 - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 813468 - [Apps] Unable to install packaged apps when running OOP;r=fabrice
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2608. # [21:55] <dholbert> cabanier, ok! no prob
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2610. # [21:56] <dholbert> cabanier, BTW, if I were you I'd re-label the second patch on 748433 to "tests (fixed Makefile)" or something
2611. # [21:56] <dholbert> cabanier, "Fixed Makefile" sounds like your patch just fixes a makefile and does nothing else
2612. # [21:56] <dholbert> but at 80k I don't think that's all it does ;)
2613. # [21:56] <cabanier> no :-)
2614. # [21:57] <cabanier> I will update it!
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2616. # [21:57] <cabanier> so, the patch name should describe what it does?
2617. # [21:58] <@ehsan> bz: 813423 regressed Kraken on XP. expected?
2618. # [21:58] <dholbert> cabanier, generally, yeah. It's a patch-description field
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2620. # [21:58] <cabanier> Does it need the bugnumber and approver?
2621. # [21:59] <dholbert> cabanier, we might be talking about different things
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2623. # [21:59] <dholbert> cabanier, the commit message, inside the patch file (editable with "hg qref -e") should include those things -- yes
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2626. # [22:00] <dholbert> cabanier, the patch description, on bugzilla (which is what I was referring to w.r.t. "Fixed makefile" above) is a more-concise summary of what the patch does, and doesn't have any strict requirements since it's just visible on the bug page and doesn't end up in our codebase or anything
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2628. # [22:01] <cabanier> dholbert: OK. I changed the patch descriptions
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2630. # [22:01] <dholbert> cabanier, cool, thanks! pushed to try: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1eb5097847b3
2631. # [22:02] <cabanier> dholbert: thanks!
2632. # [22:02] <dholbert> np!
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2636. # [22:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc266c0b96aa - Josh Matthews - Bug 813705 - Initialize nsresult value before possibly using it. r=roc
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2653. # [22:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f42a83257653 - Olli Pettay - Bug 794158, Remove over-complicated AutoWrapperChanger, r=peterv
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2660. # [22:12] <jlebar> glandium: ping?
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2668. # [22:16] <daleharvey> has anyone written something that given indexedDB source sqllite files can just dump all the data it has?
2669. # [22:17] <_AxS_> glandium: patch review pushed to tomorrow I guess?
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2672. # [22:18] <glandium> jlebar: pong
2673. # [22:18] <glandium> _AxS_: yeah
2674. # [22:19] <_AxS_> glandium: cool tnx again
2675. # [22:19] <jlebar> glandium: Hey. I was wondering if you thought it was possible that the functions addr2line was giving me when I ran it on the unstripped, unelfhacked libxul were not the functions called in the stripped, elfhacked libxul.
2676. # [22:19] * jlebar is running out of ideas here.
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2678. # [22:20] <glandium> jlebar: is your addr2line old?
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2680. # [22:20] <glandium> jlebar: because i don't think i've had problems with addr2line and elfhack
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2682. # [22:20] <jlebar> glandium: I've been using addr2line from the NDK. I can see if you built it in your 4.6.1 binaries...
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2684. # [22:21] <glandium> jlebar: if addr2line makes bad assumptions, elfhack can break it, but istr it was doing fine. At least the one i've been using so far
2685. # [22:21] * karl wonders why middlemouse.contentLoadURL is not working, and is not on Ubuntu
2686. # [22:22] <jlebar> glandium: Okay; I'll dig in to that a bit, build without elfhack or something. Do you have any bright ideas here for me to try?
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2688. # [22:22] <jlebar> glandium: What's frustrating is that some stacks look great.
2689. # [22:23] <glandium> jlebar: a quick test shows that addr2line is happy with elfhack
2690. # [22:24] <glandium> jlebar: did you try -fno-omit-frame-pointer?
2691. # [22:24] <jlebar> glandium: No; that's on the list, along with trying a debug build.
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2702. # [22:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f59f962f0b5c - L. David Baron - Bug 813373, patch 4: fix printfs that crept in in patch 3.
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2706. # [22:28] <jlebar> glandium: Huh. So if I get a backtrace which includes pc X which addr2line translates to function F, and then I poke the process with GDB and disassemble X, I get a completely different function G.
2707. # [22:29] <jlebar> That does suggest that something is wrong here...
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2711. # [22:29] <glandium> jlebar: try a more recent addr2line
2712. # [22:29] <glandium> like the one from ndk r8
2713. # [22:29] <glandium> r8c, even
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2726. # [22:36] <@khuey> seth: are you looking for me?
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2730. # [22:37] <seth> khuey: i am! i figured i'd contact you via irc since you looked deep in thought =)
2731. # [22:37] <@khuey> seth: give me five
2732. # [22:37] <seth> khuey: ok, sounds good
2733. # [22:37] <@khuey> so I can dump something in mrbkap's queue
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2735. # [22:39] <mrbkap> thanks!
2736. # [22:40] <@khuey> heh
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2742. # [22:42] <karl> jlebar: how are you translating pc to file offset?
2743. # [22:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b94284158d4 - Erick Dransch - Bug 801499 - Move WebGLBuffer to a separate file. r=bjacob
2744. # [22:43] <jlebar> karl: Hold on for a few minutes; I think I may see what's going wrong.
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2749. # [22:47] <@roc> I'd really like to be able to ensure that nsIFrame::GetContent is always non-null
2750. # [22:48] <@roc> but as far as I can tell we can't because of the edge case where a document has no root element
2751. # [22:48] <@roc> grumble
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2758. # [22:53] <dholbert> roc, "document has no root element" == "100% empty document"?
2759. # [22:53] <dholbert> i.e. document has an empty DOM tree?
2760. # [22:53] <@dbaron> can we make it an nsINode* instead of nsIContent*, and just use the document for the frames that we always have?
2761. # [22:54] <@roc> dholbert: you can remove the root element from the document
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2763. # [22:54] <@roc> dbaron: I think a lot of places really want an nsIContent
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2766. # [22:56] <@roc> as far as I can tell, currently the viewport frame always has a null mContent and every other frame has non-null mContent
2767. # [22:56] <@bz> cpearce: ping
2768. # [22:56] <biesi> can we make up an nsIContent for that edge case?
2769. # [22:56] <jlebar> glandium: karl It appears I fail at addr2line. Somehow -- I'm not sure quite how yet -- my pipe-to-addr-to-line is incorrect, which is causing me to get the wrong functions.
2770. # [22:56] <@bz> hrm
2771. # [22:56] <jlebar> That explains why stacks appear rotated.
2772. # [22:56] <@bz> no cpearce
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2776. # [22:57] <@bz> roc: you're correct.
2777. # [22:57] <@bz> Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
2778. # [22:57] <@bz> "_MOZ_Z_crc32", referenced from:
2779. # [22:57] <@bz> etc
2780. # [22:57] <@bz> building mediaconduit_unittests.cpp
2781. # [22:57] <@bz> Is this expected?
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2783. # [22:57] <@bz> Basically, all my builds have failed with that for days now...
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2785. # [22:57] <@bz> Which is... less than optimal
2786. # [22:57] <dholbert> jesup, ^
2787. # [22:58] <dholbert> / ehugg: ^
2788. # [22:58] <@roc> biesi: that would probably create as many problems as it would solve
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2790. # [22:58] <@bz> And in particular, as a result they never get to building firefox-bin
2791. # [22:58] <@bz> which is not good
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2794. # [22:59] <dholbert> bz, looks like you could locally revert http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/31d01eb0baf3 and be fine
2795. # [22:59] <@bz> And btw, this seems to compile on inbound, somehow....
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2797. # [22:59] <@bz> hmm
2798. # [22:59] <dholbert> bz, oh
2799. # [22:59] * @bz tries that
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2801. # [22:59] <biesi> perhaps a difference of one build using system-zlib, the other not
2802. # [23:00] <dholbert> bz, looks like that actually just landed this morning... so that may not be your problem
2803. # [23:00] <@bz> I'm compiling basically an inbound pull from earlier today
2804. # [23:00] <dholbert> ah, ok
2805. # [23:00] * @bz tries updating to hte parent of that changeset
2806. # [23:00] <@roc> maybe we should add a Content() method to every frame class that has guaranteed non-null mContent, and then at least when we statically know the frame class is not nsIFrame/nsFrame/nsContainerFrame we could call it
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2808. # [23:01] <@bz> aaand another build.
2809. # [23:01] <ehugg> bz: what distro? You can also take the line "tier_platform_dirs += media/webrtc/signaling/test" out of toolkit/toolkit-tiers.mk
2810. # [23:01] <@bz> ehugg: Mac 10.8
2811. # [23:01] <@bz> ehugg: for some values of "distro"
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2815. # [23:02] <jlebar> oooooooh.
2816. # [23:02] <jlebar> addr2line -i doesn't just print the inlined function.
2817. # [23:02] <jlebar> It also prints the original function.
2818. # [23:02] <@bz> roc: hmm
2819. # [23:02] <jlebar> That would explain a lot.
2820. # [23:02] <@bz> roc: that's an interesting thought.
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2825. # [23:03] <@bz> roc: another option is to find all the places which currently check for null and replace them with checks for viewport
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2827. # [23:03] <@bz> roc: if they can have a viewport there at all
2828. # [23:03] <@bz> roc: it's kinda hacky. :(
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2831. # [23:05] <@bz> well, my tree definitely has 31d01eb0baf3 in it...
2832. # [23:06] <@bz> And I'm not using system anything
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2836. # [23:09] <jduell> bz: so for this "firebug needs a new event because on-modify-request happens async now" issue (bug 800799).
2837. # [23:10] <jduell> We've fired off OMR for redirects and HTTP auth async forever, so isn't firebug broken and should be fixed?
2838. # [23:10] <jduell> rather than we need a new event?
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2845. # [23:13] <seth> khuey: btw looking back at the code, necko does actually take care of the 304 stuff. image lib determines whether a 304 was encountered by seeing whether necko loaded the image out of cache or not.
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2847. # [23:13] <@bz> jduell: Turns out redirects and auth are not relevant for XHR usually.
2848. # [23:14] <@bz> jduell: and the point is that there is no way for Firebug to be fixed.
2849. # [23:14] <@bz> jduell: without us giving them something to hook into.
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2853. # [23:14] <@bz> jduell: they need to be able to run their code before the JS that called AsyncOpen() comes off the stack
2854. # [23:14] <@bz> jduell: which means it needs to happen sync in there somewhere.
2855. # [23:15] <@bz> jduell: you understand what they're trying to implement in general, right?
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2859. # [23:15] <jduell> bz: probably not--my firebug-Fu is low
2860. # [23:15] <@bz> jduell: "Break on XHR"
2861. # [23:15] <@bz> jduell: basically a way to set a breakpoint that is hit any time an XHR load starts
2862. # [23:16] <@bz> jduell: Right now they do it by looking for on-modify-request and checking whether it's an XHR request
2863. # [23:16] <jduell> If I implement a new 'http-on-opening' event than happens sync during asyncOpen, is it OK that it will also get fired during redirects?
2864. # [23:16] <@bz> jduell: and if so spinning up a nested event loop and all that jazz
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2866. # [23:16] <jduell> Or should I make sure it doesn't get fired for redirects?
2867. # [23:16] <@bz> jduell: I think that should be fine; it's easy enough to filter out redirects...
2868. # [23:17] <@bz> ehugg: building from 31d01eb0baf3^ works
2869. # [23:17] <jduell> bz: ok, I'll roll the patch. Thanks.
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2875. # [23:17] <@bz> er, from 31d01eb0baf3
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2877. # [23:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1f1083953e62 - Scott Johnson - Bug 810726: Backout 34d30fa24371 for infinite loop problems. [r=dbaron][a=akeybl]
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2880. # [23:19] <dbuc> If I was needing to talk about an API for WebRT envs that we need on the Marketplace side, including Firefox OS, who would be the best point person?
2881. # [23:19] <heycam> NeilAway, thanks (re sort)
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2884. # [23:20] <@smaug> dbuc: what kind of API ?
2885. # [23:20] <@khuey> that likely depends on what the API does
2886. # [23:20] <@bz> ehugg: building from 31d01eb0baf3 definitely fails
2887. # [23:20] <jhammel> def do_stuff(*args, **kwargs)
2888. # [23:20] * @bz files bug
2889. # [23:20] <dbuc> navigator.mozSupports() == a call that returns a definitive yes/no description object for device capabilities and API support
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2891. # [23:20] <dbuc> smaug: ^
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2893. # [23:21] <dbuc> we need something that gives us the capability profile of a device/platform combo
2894. # [23:21] <dbuc> so the Marketplace app could call it and use that to tailor results
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2896. # [23:21] <ehugg_> bz: It seems to work for me on OSX 10.8 with clang 4.0, I'll check with some other mac owners to see what the diff. is.
2897. # [23:21] <dbuc> so we don't show irrelevant apps to users
2898. # [23:22] <dbuc> like in the future, if the device doesn't have NFC
2899. # [23:22] <@bz> ehugg_: I'm happy to provide you whatever info you want
2900. # [23:22] <dbuc> and we have apps known to rely upon an API we create for it
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2902. # [23:22] <@bz> ehugg_: Using clang rev 163716
2903. # [23:22] <dbuc> we don't have a failure-prone-landmine consumer installation experience
2904. # [23:22] <@bz> ehugg_: which claims to be "3.2" but that's a lie
2905. # [23:22] <dbuc> smaug: know what I mean?
2906. # [23:23] <@smaug> kind of
2907. # [23:23] <@smaug> will there be NFC API in the future?
2908. # [23:23] <dbuc> smaug: I assume at some point
2909. # [23:23] <dbuc> just an example
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2911. # [23:23] <@smaug> that API should be available, IMO, only if the device supports NFC
2912. # [23:23] <dbuc> smaug: MMS is a more clear and present issue
2913. # [23:23] <@smaug> though, that would be privacy issue..
2914. # [23:23] <dbuc> sure, obviously
2915. # [23:24] <ehugg_> bz: my clang 4.0 is a lie too because it's "Apple clang" that comes with XCode.
2916. # [23:24] <@bz> ehugg_: right
2917. # [23:24] <dbuc> it is a privacy issue to show completely user-data-less device profiles?
2918. # [23:24] <dbuc> as in 0 info about the person?
2919. # [23:24] <dbuc> not even IP?
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2921. # [23:24] <@smaug> dbuc: anyhow, sounds very much something WebAPI team should take care of
2922. # [23:24] <@smaug> dbuc: sicking or mounir might be able to help
2923. # [23:25] <dbuc> sicking: ^
2924. # [23:25] <dbuc> you game to chat, we want to do this in the not too distant future
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2927. # [23:26] <dbuc> mounir: you or sicking, I'm not choosey :)
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2930. # [23:26] <sicking> dbuc: what's the question?
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2933. # [23:27] <dbuc> sicking: we need an API that apps can use to get the hardware/API support on a device
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2936. # [23:27] <sicking> dbuc: why? You can use normal DOM-style capability testing. I.e. just check if the property is there
2937. # [23:28] <dbuc> marketplace needs to sense the capabilities so it can choose to intelligently show apps
2938. # [23:28] <sicking> dbuc: You can use normal DOM-style capability testing. I.e. just check if the property is there
2939. # [23:28] <dbuc> sicking: was told that some of the APIs don't have clearly feature detection ability
2940. # [23:28] <sicking> dbuc: such as?
2941. # [23:28] <dbuc> plus, that would require the app in question to request all those capabilities
2942. # [23:28] <dbuc> just to sniff them
2943. # [23:28] <sicking> dbuc: marketplace needs a lot more than hardware testing
2944. # [23:29] <dbuc> sicking: we need two things, device details (screen stuff, etc) and platform APIs available
2945. # [23:29] <@khuey> just stick it in the user agent
2946. # [23:29] <@khuey> :-P
2947. # [23:29] <sicking> dbuc: right. The hardware is useless if there's not an API to use it
2948. # [23:29] <jhammel> khuey++
2949. # [23:30] <sicking> dbuc: also, many APIs aren't backed by hardware
2950. # [23:30] * bz is now known as bz_away
2951. # [23:30] <@bz_away> Any API that's not capability-testable we should just fix
2952. # [23:30] <dbuc> sicking: some of the hardware stuff doesn't have an API, but matters
2953. # [23:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d19500da9c16 - Jason Orendorff - Bug 812314 part 2 - User fewer namespace js {...} blocks in .cpp files in js/src/gc. r=terrence.
2954. # [23:30] <sicking> dbuc: like webgl or indexeddb, or css calc()
2955. # [23:30] <@bz_away> 'cause that's broken
2956. # [23:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7600a1ab2d7c - Jason Orendorff - Bug 812314 part 1 - Use fewer namespace js {...} blocks in .cpp files in js/src, js/src/builtin, js/src/vm. r=luke.
2957. # [23:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/aaca15b21ab6 - Justin Wood - No bug, update android-noion branding so tests can run. a=akeybl
2958. # [23:30] <sicking> dbuc: like?
2959. # [23:30] <dbuc> bz_away: how do you test an API you don't require in the permissions?
2960. # [23:30] <dbuc> chicken, meet egg
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2963. # [23:31] <dbuc> bz_away: so the solution is for the marketplace to always request *all* API access?
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2966. # [23:31] <dbuc> can't feature detect what you're not given
2967. # [23:31] <sicking> dbuc: you should be able to check if the property is there still. Like |"mobileconnection" in navigator|
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2969. # [23:32] <dbuc> sicking: is that assuming 0 leveling?
2970. # [23:32] <dbuc> let me explain that
2971. # [23:32] <sicking> "0 leveling"?
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2973. # [23:32] <dbuc> like an API where there is variable levels of operation
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2975. # [23:32] <sicking> dbuc: like?
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2978. # [23:33] <dbuc> is it possible an API has extended methods or features based on a device profile?
2979. # [23:33] <sicking> none that i can think of off the top of my head. At least none that we expose to 3rd parties
2980. # [23:34] <sicking> but it might happen in the future
2981. # [23:34] <dbuc> yeah, thus a 'foo' in window.navigator may not be enough
2982. # [23:34] <dbuc> just trying to think ahead ;)
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2984. # [23:35] <sicking> sure, we can look at capability detecting that at that point
2985. # [23:35] <@smaug> ( on windows touch event API is available only on touch enabled devices )
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2989. # [23:36] <sicking> dbuc: the problem is that a device capabilities API has relatively low value/cost ratio right now. And we should encourage people to do normal capability testing just like for non-hardware stuff. We've been down the hasSupport() hole before and it was a failure
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2991. # [23:38] <sicking> dbuc: the concolusions that anant, ragavan and I came to was that a capabilities API isn't needed for marketplace yet
2992. # [23:38] <dbuc> hmm, I can tell the Marketplace dev team that is the state of affairs, but if they are blocked, it could hurt our consumer offering on that side
2993. # [23:38] <dbuc> ok
2994. # [23:38] <dbuc> I'm not trying to force it, just would be nice to get definitive reporting from the OS
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2996. # [23:38] <sicking> if they are blocked, then do let me know. But i need more concrete usecases
2997. # [23:38] <dbuc> or RT rather
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2999. # [23:39] <dbuc> will do, I'll shoot you anything we run into
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3008. # [23:44] <dbuc> sicking: just got more detail from potch's issues with detection
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3010. # [23:44] <dbuc> he says many of the APIs that are present in some versions/platforms the RT is on, are in the object
3011. # [23:45] <dbuc> but fail with "Unimplemented" errors only after you try catch an attempted use
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3013. # [23:45] <dbuc> he was worried about having to maintain actual fake calls to APIs just to sense those failed returns
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3017. # [23:46] <sicking> dbuc: I don't understand "many of the APIs that are present in some versions/platforms the RT is on, are in the object"
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3019. # [23:46] <dbuc> sicking: can we get a 100% agreement that a simple 'foo' in obj check will be all we need?
3020. # [23:46] <dbuc> sicking: as in, they are present in the object the live on
3021. # [23:47] <dbuc> but do not reveal they aren't really operable in that env until you try they with a method call and it returns unimplemented
3022. # [23:47] <sicking> dbuc: sorry, you lost me
3023. # [23:47] <dbuc> them with a method call*
3024. # [23:47] <sicking> dbuc: doing "foo" in obj should work. But of course there can be bugs.
3025. # [23:48] <sicking> dbuc: i'd rather fix those bugs than introduce more features to work around them
3026. # [23:49] <dbuc> ok, if we can simply agree that a simple, easy to maintain check like that is what should be enough, I'm cool
3027. # [23:49] <dbuc> sicking: we'll file any bugs we find, thank you for the chat and direction ;)
3028. # [23:49] <sicking> dbuc: sure thing
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