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5. # [00:02] <@dbaron> smaug, Strongly Connected Component, I believe
6. # [00:03] <@dbaron> smaug, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strongly_connected_component
7. # [00:04] <RyanVM> edmorley|away: anyway, I don't know exactly what plans we've got for tomorrow, so I don't know how much I'll be around
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11. # [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/30c43c54969b - Cameron McCormack - Bug 814310 - Force pref on for @supports reftests and skip mochitest if pref not set. r=bz a=test-only
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15. # [00:11] <Yoric> ttaubert: How usable are the patches for bug 669603?
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19. # [00:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4be61cd3e059 - Nick Thomas - Bug 810994, update gonk-misc in snapshots for panda & unagi to get symbols (and no random-red), r=aki
20. # [00:15] <rillian> decoder: that is weird that you're not seeing the dbus errors. --disable-necko-wifi works around that particular one, but hal also talks to dbus and doesn't seem to have a configure switch
21. # [00:16] <RyanVM> padenot: enjoy your new randomorange bugs!
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23. # [00:17] <decoder> rillian: indeed very strange
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32. # [00:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2867ca636a70 - Marco Chen - Bug 813426 - Fail to assign mozAudioChannelType twice. r=kinetik, a=blocking-basecamp
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36. # [00:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/25ab5381a8e0 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 812908; add a debug pref for forcing active layers; r=roc
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53. # [00:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a2858a64fe77 - David Zbarsky - Bug 788409: When the compositor runs past the end of an animation, just fill forwards until the main thread catches up. r=dbaron a=blocking-basecamp
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56. # [00:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0b63dbe6a447 - David Zbarsky - Bug 788409: When the compositor runs past the end of an animation, just fill forwards until the main thread catches up. r=dbaron a=blocking-basecamp
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58. # [00:56] <@dbaron> cjones, btw, if stuff is going on central and beta, I think it should also go on aurora
59. # [00:57] <mkohler> does http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/legal/privacy/firefox.html exist localized?
60. # [00:57] <cjones> dbaron, totally agree
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62. # [00:58] <cjones> dbaron, oh, if you're asking about what firebot posted, it hasn't picked up my aurora landing yet for some reason
63. # [00:58] <@dbaron> cjones, ah, ok
64. # [00:58] <@dbaron> yeah, did I notice the same thing when I landed stuff on all three?
65. # [00:58] <cjones> https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/c075bb4665fb
66. # [00:59] <@dbaron> (i.e., is firebot not watching aurora at all?)
67. # [01:00] <heycam> it didn't announce my aurora push earlier either
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88. # [01:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/daa8d72e3e91 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 802385 - Never flatten component alpha layers when compositing with an accelerated layer manager. r=roc
89. # [01:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d2479573ecd - Matt Woodrow - Bug 810275 - Remove the inactive layer tree offset when compute the active scrolled root position. r=roc
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108. # [01:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ffa9803fa86d - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 799185 part 2 - Add comments to ReconstructPCStack. r=jorendorff
109. # [01:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3ec22e8f727 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 799185 part 4 - Add tests for ReconstructPCStack. r=the-toad
110. # [01:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6aabb17a3cff - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 799185 part 3 - Improve debug utilities within NoGCScope. r=terrence
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112. # [02:02] <rillian> decoder: turns out there's a --disable-dbus, which let me get all the way to the end!
113. # [02:03] <decoder> rillian: interesting. i dont have that in my config
114. # [02:04] <decoder> ill try a build tomorrow on my ubuntu box but im pretty sure it was working the other day
115. # [02:04] <rillian> decoder: ok, thanks for your help in the meantime.
116. # [02:04] <decoder> thank you =)
117. # [02:04] <rillian> I probably won't do more on this before monday
118. # [02:04] <decoder> heh thats fine. =)
119. # [02:05] <decoder> ill ping you when i tried it out here
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134. # [02:37] <markh> anyone around who I can throw an nsXULElement question/idea at?
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141. # [02:54] <Bas> RyanVM: Is it okay if I push on this red? If you'd rather I wait I'll push tomorrow.
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143. # [02:55] <RyanVM> what red?
144. # [02:55] <RyanVM> on inbound? go ahead
145. # [02:55] <RyanVM> that was an infra issue
146. # [02:56] <Bas> RyanVM: Yeah, just making sure it's all good now :)
147. # [02:56] <RyanVM> yeah, it's fine
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150. # [02:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/72537442896d - Bas Schouten - Bug 814101: Respect system-wide cleartype setting. r=jrmuizel,jfkthame
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162. # [03:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ad8812349f2 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 810253 - Correctly dump arguments. r=dvander
163. # [03:18] <nthomas> yuck, that panda issue is supposed to be fixed now
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165. # [03:25] <RyanVM> nthomas: or not :)
166. # [03:25] <RyanVM> and man am I sick of that android nss crash
167. # [03:25] * RyanVM hopes edmorley gets the tbpl crash starring stuff setup soon
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170. # [03:28] <RyanVM> cpearce: errr, planning to watch m-c for awhile?
171. # [03:28] <cpearce> oh oops.
172. # [03:28] <RyanVM> i was going to merge in a bit once the win pgo run finished on a852c3f0e2fd
173. # [03:29] <cpearce> oh, that's totally not what I wanted to do
174. # [03:29] <joe> ugggghhhh i am awful at bugzilla
175. # [03:29] <RyanVM> cpearce: any reason you didn't just land on inbound?
176. # [03:30] <RyanVM> cpearce: and were you going to mcMerge that?
177. # [03:30] <cpearce> RyanVM: I made a mistake, I copied the default-push from m-c from the wiki to my new inbound tree..
178. # [03:30] <cpearce> I had intended to push to inbound.
179. # [03:31] <RyanVM> cpearce: i'll m-cMerge it
180. # [03:31] <RyanVM> since I was going to be soon anyway
181. # [03:32] <cpearce> RyanVM: I don't know what that means, so be my guest.
182. # [03:32] <RyanVM> resolving all the bugs you just merged to m-c :P
183. # [03:33] <RyanVM> cpearce: and on the bright side, your push didn't create any new heads
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186. # [03:33] <RyanVM> so all in all, could have been worse
187. # [03:33] <cpearce> heh....
188. # [03:33] <RyanVM> i'll merge you over to inbound too
189. # [03:33] <cpearce> thanks.
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192. # [03:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c27455415eac - Chris Pearce - Bug 814541 - Silence warnings in gfx/layers/d3d9/Nv3DVUtils.cpp. r=Bas
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203. # [04:00] <nbp> oh, I was looking at the wrong checkin … :(
204. # [04:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e56607b87bcb - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 812517. Part 2: Call ScrollToCSSPixelsApproximate when TabChild scrolls. r=mats
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343. # [07:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d8e4f06198dc - Mike Hommey - Bug 799295 - Work around gcc 4.5 miscompilation of CanEncodeInfoInHeader by always inlining it
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345. # [07:52] <glandium> oh crap, i forgot to qref to add the r=
346. # [07:52] <glandium> do we reland in these cases or it's not so important? (compared to bug number wrong)
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351. # [07:58] <glandium> philor: ^
352. # [07:58] <philor> glandium: not worth it, no
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377. # [08:27] <mjrosenb> so at my last job, there was a "wall of shame.txt" usually reserved for people breaking the build
378. # [08:27] <mjrosenb> we should have something like that
379. # [08:27] <mjrosenb> but just so people can add a line to it to "fix" their commit messages
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406. # [09:22] <Yoric> I seem to have disappeared from http://www.mozilla.org/credits/ – what have I done? :(
407. # [09:24] <@gavin> are you sure you were there to begin with?
408. # [09:24] <@gavin> the changelog for that page is available at http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/credits/index.html?view=log
409. # [09:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/056e9c5653a0 - Eric Wong - Bug 812970 - Rename DocAccessible::mDocument to mDocumentNode, r=surkov
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415. # [09:34] <jesup> Do separate Content and Chrome processes (i.e. Cipc/Ripc tests) still apply as an analog to Android as well as B2G? Given we have Android and B2G tinderboxen, are separate Cipc/Ripc tests needed, or are they also to try to preserve possible future rehabilitation of e10s?
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429. # [09:55] <glazou> bonjour
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463. # [10:35] <Yoric> gavin: I thought I was there, but I may be wrong.
464. # [10:37] <glandium> has anyone ever been removed from that page?
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469. # [10:39] <ewong> the log doesn't lie.... ;P
470. # [10:39] <glandium> speaking of credits, people amaze me. Back when the about box had a scrolling credits mode, my father, whom i hadn't told i was contributing, one day told me "hey, i saw your name in the firefox credits". wtf?
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472. # [10:40] <edmorley> lol
473. # [10:40] <glandium> and my name was reaaaally not at the beginning
474. # [10:41] <nigelb> heh
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479. # [10:46] <glandium> heh, i like the people complaining about the drop of 64-bits windows builds and saying they've been using waterfox for a while. What does that change for them, then?
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484. # [10:56] <mounir> glandium: it's quite common to have web dev complaining about a bug that isn't user facing (but dev facing) and finish by "i can't use firefox anymore because of that"
485. # [10:57] <mounir> they likely try to treat us
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563. # [12:25] <nigelb> Hrm. I wonder. Is there a way to write an add-on or a script to take a list of add-ons, install them one by one (restart after each install/remove) and run a test.
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580. # [12:41] <edmorley> does anyone know if there is a way to search for bugs with a keyword added in the last 24hrs
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587. # [12:43] <Standard8> edmorley: you might be able to do it via the custom search, but maybe that would only work if you're matching the whole set of keywords
588. # [12:43] <edmorley> yeah that was my worry
589. # [12:44] <edmorley> I'm trying to replace the use-cases of the alias:randomorange bug
590. # [12:44] <edmorley> the "newly filed bugs", "bugs closed today" type searches are obviously easy
591. # [12:44] <edmorley> the "exisiting mis-filed bug that someone has just added the keyword intermittent-failure" case is the last I need
592. # [12:45] <NeilAway> edmorley: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=keywords;query_format=advanced;type0-0-0=changedafter;value0-0-0=-1d
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594. # [12:45] <NeilAway> edmorley: oh, you want the intermittent-failure keyword added in the last 24hrs rather than any keyword?
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596. # [12:45] <edmorley> ideally
597. # [12:46] <edmorley> but yeah your search might be ok, since I doubt there would be much noise
598. # [12:46] <NeilAway> edmorley: well, how about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=intermittent-failure;keywords_type=allwords;field0-0-0=keywords;query_format=advanced;type0-0-0=changedafter;value0-0-0=-1d
599. # [12:46] <NeilAway> again, still risk of noise
600. # [12:46] <NeilAway> glob++
601. # [12:46] <NeilAway> (for making bugzilla output nice URLs)
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604. # [12:47] <edmorley> yeah I think I'll go with that, thank you :-)
605. # [12:47] * NeilAway is not used to those semicolons though ;-)
606. # [12:47] <NeilAway> edmorley: np
607. # [12:47] <edmorley> (I can also filter by whether I made the change, and if I am already CCed etc, which should reduce most of the noise)
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618. # [12:57] <jwatt> hmm, cool, my mouse pointer has disappeared in ff17
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634. # [13:19] <jwatt> Cwiiis: when will you be in?
635. # [13:19] <Cwiiis> jwatt, in a bit, just doing expenses
636. # [13:19] <jwatt> cool
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641. # [13:25] <reed> bsmedberg: not sure if anybody has pointed this out to you -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4817858
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651. # [13:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cfafa3e83938 - Ed Morley - Merge mozilla-central to mozilla-inbound
652. # [13:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d8e4f06198dc - Mike Hommey - Bug 799295 - Work around gcc 4.5 miscompilation of CanEncodeInfoInHeader by always inlining it
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657. # [13:50] <jwatt> when did the file accessible/src/base/nsApplicationAccessible.cpp die?
658. # [13:50] <jwatt> and why is mxr still including its contents in search results?
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660. # [13:54] <Archaeopteryx> uh oh, again?
661. # [13:56] <Archaeopteryx> jwatt: looks like it still exists: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/log/tip/accessible/src/base/nsApplicationAccessible.cpp
662. # [13:57] <jwatt> Archaeopteryx: that's the log, not the file
663. # [13:57] <jwatt> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/accessible/src/base/nsApplicationAccessible.cpp
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669. # [14:02] <Archaeopteryx> jwatt: ah, so the log doesn't contain the removal. mxr contains changes from tuesday, sounds like it is in limbo
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671. # [14:05] <edmorley> ha, http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/32206732127/ben-adidas-convincing-sales-pitch-could-have-sold
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713. # [14:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a197ef0840c - Brian Hackett - Add symbolic range analysis for loop induction variables, bug 766592. r=mjrosenb
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720. # [15:01] <bhearsum> is there a way to lock a bug and not allow new comments?
721. # [15:01] <bhearsum> gerv: ^
722. # [15:02] <edmorley> bhearsum: not without making it private
723. # [15:02] <bhearsum> damnit
724. # [15:02] <edmorley> I wonder where most of them are finding it?
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726. # [15:02] <bhearsum> it was linked in bsmedberg's newsgroup message
727. # [15:02] <edmorley> direct links from articles?
728. # [15:02] <edmorley> oh, I didn't see that
729. # [15:03] <edmorley> the link that is
730. # [15:03] <bhearsum> might've been in one of the follow-ups, actually
731. # [15:04] <edmorley> I guess we could move it to another product/component or something and then just file dependents for the releng pieces
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733. # [15:04] <bhearsum> it's fine
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735. # [15:05] <bhearsum> i'll continue to remind people that flaming and asking in the bug is useless
736. # [15:05] <bhearsum> i was just hoping to give a final 'take your questions elsewhere' and then lock it down :)
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740. # [15:08] <glob|away> bhearsum, i spent a while looking at that today; have to add some missing parts into bugzilla before we can do that :(
741. # [15:08] <bhearsum> would it help if i donated a kidney?
742. # [15:09] <glob|away> i can lock most fields, but flags will still be settable
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744. # [15:09] <bhearsum> can you lock a bug from receiving new comments?
745. # [15:09] <bhearsum> that's the part i care about
746. # [15:09] <glob|away> kinda.
747. # [15:09] <glob|away> i have until thursday anyhow (next scheduled push)
748. # [15:09] <bhearsum> hehe
749. # [15:10] <bhearsum> oh i see - you're talking about something that might be coming soon
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751. # [15:10] <glob|away> well..
752. # [15:10] <glob|away> these things don't happen very often
753. # [15:10] <bhearsum> yeah
754. # [15:10] <glob|away> but when they do, they consume a pant load of time
755. # [15:10] <glob|away> of course... people may simply just file new bugs
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757. # [15:10] <bhearsum> sure
758. # [15:11] <glob|away> but that takes more effort, and is probably easier to manage, and takes spam off the main bug
759. # [15:11] <glob|away> anyhow.. i'm going to get back to building a large statue in minecraft
760. # [15:12] <bhearsum> hehe
761. # [15:12] <bhearsum> sorry, didn't mean to pull you away from that!
762. # [15:12] <glob|away> no worries, you're lucky i forgot to turn off my speakers (minecraft's on the other pc)
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764. # [15:13] <bhearsum> hehe
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770. # [15:20] <edmorley> glob|away: (for later) so something like a flag/keyword, that once set would mean that say only people with canconfirm and above could comment on the bug?
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774. # [15:27] <glob|away> edmorley, yes, limit them to just add/remove cc
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776. # [15:28] <Archaeopteryx> and vote for better stalking
777. # [15:29] * glob|away notes voting
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779. # [15:30] <Optimizer> can enabling prelaod newtab feature leak memory ?
780. # [15:30] <Optimizer> with one tab and 4 hours of session, I have 700 mb +
781. # [15:30] <Optimizer> and even the about:memory is not reporting it all
782. # [15:31] <Optimizer> about:memory says I am using around 300
783. # [15:31] <jdm> where are you getting the 700 from?
784. # [15:31] <jdm> about:memory is usually more correct than the windows task manager, for example
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786. # [15:32] <Optimizer> 300 difference ?
787. # [15:32] <Optimizer> and I was hoping to see you in singapore :|
788. # [15:32] <jdm> yeah, I was hoping to go :(
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790. # [15:36] <Optimizer> So for any reference, here is my about memory verbose : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1953746 ,while my task manager shows 748 MB usage
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794. # [15:40] <jdm> Optimizer: for reference, that's not the whole about:memory output
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796. # [15:41] <jdm> but yeah, I'm usually more inclined to trust about:memory on this
797. # [15:41] <Optimizer> dammit it got clipped
798. # [15:41] <jdm> I'm not sure how common it is to see such a large difference, though
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800. # [15:42] <Optimizer> updated the pastebin
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808. # [15:52] <_AxS_> glandium: ping. What do you think about something like this, for the symbol versioning patch? http://bpaste.net/show/59907/ , ie, use objdump to get the explicit list of symbols dynamically from libjs_static.a ?
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812. # [16:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/85c1a0de5374 - Vincent Chang - Bug 811833 - [System] When the device is woken from sleep, wifi does not automatically connect to the network. r=mrbkap
813. # [16:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5493ee135368 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 0a197ef0840c (bug 766592) for talos crashes.
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819. # [16:07] <_AxS_> glandium: i figure before that will be acceptable, both the call to objdump and the parsing of its output would need to be changed. However, as proof of concept, at least that one works.
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838. # [16:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/19e2c1a7dddd - Mario Alvarado [:marioalv] - Bug 806704 - Port browser_bug763468.js to the new per-window PB APIs; r=ehsan
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840. # [16:24] <gfritzsche> mozcommitbuilder is currently the most comfortable thing now for someone volunteering to narrow down a regression, right?
841. # [16:25] <jdm> I've never even heard that name before
842. # [16:25] <jdm> I'm used to hearing mozregression in that context
843. # [16:25] <jdm> oh, curious
844. # [16:25] <gfritzsche> well, mozregression only narrows down to nightlies, not changesets :)
845. # [16:26] <gfritzsche> and mozcommitbuilders description says automagic checkout etc.
846. # [16:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a0f9890a9c3f - Mike Conley - Bug 809852 - Follow-up patch to address nit in pinstripe theme for Downloads Panel that was missed in first landing. r=me.
847. # [16:26] <gfritzsche> sounds pretty good
848. # [16:26] <jdm> I just run bisect on my local tree
849. # [16:26] <gfritzsche> yeah, just for some user volunteering it might be a bit too time-consuming
850. # [16:27] <jdm> agreed
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853. # [16:31] <edmorley> gfritzsche: I imagine by that token mozcommitbuilder will still be too timeconsuming
854. # [16:31] <edmorley> mozregression also supports bisecting
855. # [16:32] <edmorley> a 24hr regression range using nightlies is still pretty useful if volunteers are able to do that
856. # [16:32] <edmorley> and mozregression can then take that 24 hr range and build locally within it, if needed
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858. # [16:33] <gfritzsche> oh, it can... didn't know that
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864. # [16:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e685ffb06975 - Olli Pettay - Bug 813919, fix an assertion in DOM Range, r=mats
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877. # [16:49] <@ehsan> mconley: do you remember what the bug # was for the bug about moving the Library window in content?
878. # [16:50] <mconley> ehsan: lemme search, hang on...
879. # [16:50] <mconley> ehsan: bug 697359
880. # [16:51] <@ehsan> mconley: thanks
881. # [16:51] <mconley> ehsan: np!
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884. # [16:52] <@ehsan> fryn: ping
885. # [16:53] <@ehsan> mconley: is that something that needs to be done for the download panel as well?
886. # [16:53] <mconley> ehsan: bug 675902 is a blocker for releasing the panel, yes.
887. # [16:53] <@ehsan> hmm
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889. # [16:53] <@ehsan> mconley: there has been no apparent progress on the bug
890. # [16:53] <@ehsan> mconley: is the panel still targetted for 20?
891. # [16:54] <mconley> ehsan: Yep! I spoke to Mano earlier in the week - he said he only had one or two things left to do on it.
892. # [16:54] <@ehsan> oh cool
893. # [16:55] <mconley> ehsan: yeah, I'm kinda chompin' on the bit there too. It's the big blocker for the DP.
894. # [16:55] <@ehsan> right
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896. # [16:55] <@ehsan> mconley: so, just to give you an update, the download panel is now the last missing piece which prevents us from shipping pbngen ;)
897. # [16:55] <@ehsan> which is why I'm asking about this :D
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901. # [16:56] <mconley> ehsan: The panel is probably less of an issue - more like, the library view in the tab is your blocker.
902. # [16:56] <mconley> ehsan: but yeah, it's all kinda intertwined
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904. # [16:56] <@ehsan> mconley: they both are
905. # [16:56] <@ehsan> mconley: if the panel doesn't get turned on by default, we can't ship
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908. # [16:56] <mconley> ehsan: Yep, still targeting 20, and feeling damn confident.
909. # [16:57] <@ehsan> mconley: so, I was thinking about writing a patch which sets the panel on by default for per-window PB builds for now
910. # [16:57] <@ehsan> what do you think?
911. # [16:57] <mconley> ehsan: sounds reasonable to me.
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913. # [16:57] <mconley> ehsan: that patch'll be useful when we flip on the DP for regular builds.
914. # [16:57] <@ehsan> cool
915. # [16:58] <@ehsan> mconley: remind me what the pref is called, please?
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917. # [16:58] <mconley> ehsan: the pref browser.download.useToolkitUI needs to be flipped to false.
918. # [16:59] <mconley> ehsan: this doesn't, however, auto-migrate the Download Button into the navbar if folks have customized their toolbars
919. # [16:59] <mconley> ehsan: a new migration is likely needed in nsBrowserGlue.js. See the comment here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/browser/components/nsBrowserGlue.js#1345
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923. # [17:00] <@ehsan> hmm
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925. # [17:00] <@ehsan> not quite sure what that means :)
926. # [17:02] <@ehsan> mconley: so, this pref is toggled on by default in nightly, right?
927. # [17:02] <mconley> ehsan: correct.
928. # [17:02] <@ehsan> alright
929. # [17:03] <@ehsan> in that case, it's fine for now I guess
930. # [17:03] <mconley> ehsan: I guess the migration thing doesn't actually apply, yeah
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932. # [17:03] <mconley> ehsan: that's more down the line when we do the for-reals release of this thing.
933. # [17:03] <@ehsan> right
934. # [17:06] <_AxS_> glandium: ping. libxul.so , after stripping, is the exact same size whether it has symbol versions on everything or whether it has it just on the jsapi stuffs. Request we set global: *; on libxul.so and be done with it?
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952. # [17:23] <@ehsan> mconley: export MOZ_PER_WINDOW_PRIVATE_BROWSING=1
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955. # [17:27] <joe_walker> edmorley: is there anything we can do to mark fx-team so that we don't merge it to central for a few days?
956. # [17:28] <edmorley> joe_walker: other than socially; not really
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958. # [17:29] <edmorley> joe_walker: reason?
959. # [17:29] <joe_walker> i think there could be a talos regression in there
960. # [17:29] <edmorley> oh ok
961. # [17:29] <joe_walker> but it's hard to know 100% right now
962. # [17:29] <edmorley> I'd just email the people who normally merge it
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966. # [17:31] <joe_walker> edmorley: i'll make sure the devtools developers don't merge, can you think of anyone else i should talk to?
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968. # [17:31] <joe_walker> i.e. would that be something that you might have done?
969. # [17:32] <mconley> ehsan: how does one differentiate a pb window from a normal window?
970. # [17:33] <edmorley> joe_walker: I have rarely
971. # [17:33] <jgilbert> one is full of gift websites :D
972. # [17:33] <mconley> jgilbert: I should have known. :)
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974. # [17:34] <edmorley> joe_walker: hg log -k "fx-team" says past, ttaubert, vporof, RyanVM, me
975. # [17:34] <mconley> ehsan: there must be an attribute buried in the window I can read, no?
976. # [17:34] <joe_walker> ah - very useful. thanks
977. # [17:34] <edmorley> yw
978. # [17:34] <@ehsan> mconley: call PrivateBrowsingUtils.isWindowPrivate() and pass in the window object
979. # [17:35] <mconley> ehsan: cool, thanks
980. # [17:35] <@ehsan> sure thing
981. # [17:36] <Matti> wohoo, my unread bugmail is the first time in 2 months at zero
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985. # [17:41] <gfritzsche> anyone know how to access (protected) iframe properties from a mochitest?
986. # [17:42] <gfritzsche> do i need to QI/instanceof to something?
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1004. # [17:53] <@ehsan> BenWa: fyi: Talos Regression :( Robocop Checkerboarding Real User Benchmark increase 468% on Android 2.2 (Native) mobile
1005. # [17:54] <BenWa> we're working on it
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1009. # [17:55] <BenWa> ehsan: We have a pref for this feature as well
1010. # [17:55] <@ehsan> BenWa: yeah I know, just wanted to make sure you've seen it
1011. # [17:55] <@ehsan> BenWa: oh
1012. # [17:55] <@ehsan> well
1013. # [17:55] <@ehsan> BenWa: this was actually a merge of what landed on inbound yesterday
1014. # [17:55] <@ehsan> so you already knew about it
1015. # [17:55] <@ehsan> sorry
1016. # [17:55] <BenWa> np
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1018. # [17:57] <msucan> gfritzsche: protected properties?
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1020. # [17:57] <msucan> gfritzsche: maybe you want wrappedJSObject?
1021. # [17:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b8209de5489e - Joe Drew - Bug 813124 - Make Cairo's image surface correctly handle having multiple clip paths set on the context. r=jrmuizel,roc
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1031. # [18:14] <gfritzsche> msucan: permission denied on accessing properties of an iframe that's on another domain
1032. # [18:15] <gfritzsche> i don't see wrappedJSObject helping here :|
1033. # [18:15] <msucan> gfritzsche: does your script have chrome privileges?
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1036. # [18:17] <gfritzsche> msucan: it's a mochitest-plain fwiw
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1038. # [18:19] <msucan> gfritzsche: i wrote some mochitest-plain scripts and afaik i had to specifically request elevated privileges to access chrome stuff. didn't try cross-domain stuff
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1041. # [18:22] <gfritzsche> msucan: right, i think i remember privilege elevation... looking after that :)
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1044. # [18:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e246c0a2edf - Brian Hackett - Remove bogus assert, bug 813029. r=dvander
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1051. # [18:34] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, SpecialPowers is what you're looking for
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1053. # [18:36] <gfritzsche> Ms2ger: right, but apparently doesn't cover the situation yet (or i'm blind)
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1055. # [18:36] <gfritzsche> and enablePrivilege is documented as going away
1056. # [18:37] <Ms2ger> Yep
1057. # [18:37] <Ms2ger> SpecialPowers.wrap(iframe.contentWindow).... maybe?
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1061. # [18:41] <edmorley> arrrrrrrrgggggg
1062. # [18:41] <edmorley> stupid shoeboxed has mangled all the reciept dates again
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1065. # [18:41] <edmorley> :-(
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1067. # [18:43] <mjrosenb> oh right
1068. # [18:43] <mjrosenb> I need to do that for the cell phone I purchased
1069. # [18:43] <mjrosenb> a while ago
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1071. # [18:44] <edmorley> I was hoping it would be more straight forwards this time, having used it before
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1073. # [18:44] <edmorley> but not only did it get the exchange rates wrong, but it turned dates chosen using it's own datepicker into dates scattered in 2014
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1080. # [18:49] <gfritzsche> M2ger: yep, SpecialPowers.wrap() does it - thanks :)
1081. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> Np
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1088. # [18:59] <gfritzsche> hm, real troll or someone just teasing with his nick: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644561#c9
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1091. # [18:59] <gfritzsche> nevermind
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1093. # [18:59] <gfritzsche> reading capabilities failing due to upcoming weekend
1094. # [19:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4d832dcd0be9 - Ben Hearsum - bug 812836: Set up nightly multilocale B2G desktop builds for l10n testing - add gaia l10n info to gecko config for unagi. r=aki
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1159. # [20:35] <jdm> Mossop: with regards to your API definition; so an XPCOM interface that's only used internally in a module (such as something for geolocation code) wouldn't qualify, but an interface used in multiple places throughout the tree does?
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1161. # [20:36] <jdm> that definition sounds reasonable to me; I'm just clarifying.
1162. # [20:36] <Mossop> jdm: Yeah, that's the gist I'm trying to get across. Basically if changing something later on only involves changing internal code then it shouldn't require SR
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1214. # [21:43] <WG9s> so it would seem orange on mozilla-centarl is bhearsum
1215. # [21:44] <WG9s> mozilla-central
1216. # [21:44] <WG9s> linux debug builds are both orange 32 AND 64 BIT.
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1218. # [21:44] <Ms2ger> Bug 814164?
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1220. # [21:45] <WG9s> COULD BE THAT ALSO I GUESS
1221. # [21:45] <WG9s> so just a coincidnece that they both failed ont he same checkin.
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1223. # [21:46] <capella> and TRY is a whole lotta ugly
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1226. # [21:50] <gaston> Yoric: i still see that on the stderr : OS Unix Could not open libc libsystem.B.dylib
1227. # [21:50] <gaston> is there a bug for it ?
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1238. # [22:00] <Archaeopteryx> mjrosenb: only fixed ones or all resolved ones?
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1241. # [22:01] <mjrosenb> Archaeopteryx: honestly, either one would be good.
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1243. # [22:02] <mjrosenb> it looks like about 1/7 of my 800 tabs were closed bugs
1244. # [22:03] <jdm> firebot: uuid
1245. # [22:03] <firebot> d32b87b3-fe96-4f42-81ab-2f39f7ec43ff (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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1250. # [22:12] <Archaeopteryx> mjrosenb: working on it
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1257. # [22:20] <mjrosenb> Archaeopteryx: neato!
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1259. # [22:21] <Matti> 800 tabs ? I guess you are using a 64bit Firefox :-)
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1263. # [22:23] <mjrosenb> yup.
1264. # [22:23] <mjrosenb> only taking up 7 gigabytes of memory
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1266. # [22:24] <Archaeopteryx> no more Windows for you
1267. # [22:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/072ebed72f61 - Mike Habicher - Bug 809259 - Improve camera stability when switching between picture and video modes. r=kanru, a=blocking-basecamp
1268. # [22:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/dde5165cc0df - Vincent Chang - Bug 811833 - [System] When the device is woken from sleep, wifi does not automatically connect to the network. r=mrbkap, a=blocking-basecamp
1269. # [22:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f5b325a7d5c6 - Joe Drew - Bug 813124 - Make Cairo's image surface correctly handle having multiple clip paths set on the context. r=jrmuizel, r=roc, a=blocking-basecamp
1270. # [22:25] <mjrosenb> this would be much nicer if tree style tabs actually worked
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1311. # [23:08] <jcranmer|away> dear god
1312. # [23:08] <jcranmer|away> all the complainers about turning off Win64 builders
1313. # [23:08] <JazzBot> lol
1314. # [23:08] <JazzBot> I think it was a good move :)
1315. # [23:09] <hub> "I'll switch to Chrome"
1316. # [23:09] <hub> :-D
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1318. # [23:09] <mcpherrin> w3m is 64 bit, why not firefox?! Gotta catch up with the times, man
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1320. # [23:10] <squib> couldn't they just build their own firefox if they really cared?
1321. # [23:10] <jcranmer|away> I almost want to respond "so you're willing to maintain enough windows machine to continuously build Firefox and run its full test suite about every 15-30 minutes (note: this takes about 6 hours)?"
1322. # [23:10] <squib> (or use waterfox, which is probably a better option than alphas)
1323. # [23:10] <gaston> on which newsgroup is the trollfest ?
1324. # [23:11] <squib> gaston: m.d.planning
1325. # [23:11] <squib> and m.d.a.firefox, it looks like
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1327. # [23:11] <JazzBot> what reasons should i give to care about the dropped support over win64?
1328. # [23:11] <JazzBot> none :p
1329. # [23:12] <hub> also "but you can provide 64-bits for Linux"
1330. # [23:12] <mcpherrin> The only legitimate complaint that I see is you lose the security advantages of ASLR without being a 64 bit browser.
1331. # [23:13] <Mook_as> there's also the looming PGO limit; at some point it's going to run out of the full 32 bit address space, win64 host or not
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1337. # [23:14] <JazzBot> mcpherrin: exactly, the other reasons people give are ignorant
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1339. # [23:19] <JonathanS> trade-off :/
1340. # [23:19] <hub> just a dumb question: you can run a 32-bits plugin out of process in the 64-bits version of Firefox?
1341. # [23:20] <jcranmer|away> no
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1344. # [23:22] <JonathanS> hub, how is that is going to solve pointer mismatch?
1345. # [23:22] <JazzBot> unless you went into assembly and redo everything lol
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1347. # [23:22] <hub> ok, so no
1348. # [23:23] <xavier> hs student here wondering what langs and proficiency required to contribute to firefox project
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1351. # [23:23] <gps> xavier: http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/
1352. # [23:23] <JazzBot> c++
1353. # [23:24] <JonathanS> XML
1354. # [23:24] <gps> short answer: all kinds
1355. # [23:24] <jcranmer|away> C++ or JS or Python
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1357. # [23:24] <JazzBot> Assembly XD
1358. # [23:24] <xavier> Moreso backend stuff.
1359. # [23:24] <JonathanS> JazzBot, they don't teach that in the school
1360. # [23:25] <xavier> Well, mostly looking to self-teach. No programming course at my school
1361. # [23:25] <JazzBot> wait.. high school level? must be in a different country outside of America
1362. # [23:25] <JazzBot> lol
1363. # [23:26] <JonathanS> xavier, are you serious? My old high school has like web design and C++/Java class
1364. # [23:26] <hub> my high school didn't have computersa
1365. # [23:26] <xavier> No, unfortunately
1366. # [23:26] <xavier> well, yes I am serious. =S
1367. # [23:26] <JazzBot> yeah currently in my high school the only some what coding the teach is basic web development
1368. # [23:26] <JazzBot> but more on markup language
1369. # [23:26] <JazzBot> lol
1370. # [23:27] <JazzBot> I've taught myself Assembly, C++. etc..
1371. # [23:27] <JonathanS> JazzBot., I have seen ignorant people said "I code HYML"
1372. # [23:27] <xavier> there used to be a frontpage class but that teacher left
1373. # [23:27] <JonathanS> HTML
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1376. # [23:28] <JazzBot> JonathanS: lol.. I hate when people say they code HTML.. basically when they say that I assume they can't "code" anything else
1377. # [23:28] <xavier> ahem. I can program in CSS, mind you
1378. # [23:29] <JonathanS> xavier, CSS is for styling. There is no flow control
1379. # [23:29] <JazzBot> CSS is js in a way :p
1380. # [23:29] <xavier> just kidding :p
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1382. # [23:30] <JonathanS> JazzBot, it is like @media ;)
1383. # [23:30] <xavier> anyway guessing C++ and XML will be good for developing. Been learning C for about a month
1384. # [23:30] <hub> xavier: Javascript
1385. # [23:31] <JazzBot> lol
1386. # [23:31] <xavier> ah okay. Does it take from any other language in term of syntax and paradigm
1387. # [23:31] <JazzBot> I've concluded it's better starting with C++ then C, unless it's something like C99
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1389. # [23:31] <JonathanS> MSVC doesn't support C99
1390. # [23:32] <JazzBot> actually it's better starting out on assembly
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1394. # [23:33] <JazzBot> I don't care about MSVC to be honest
1395. # [23:33] <xavier> :o that seems very low level
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1397. # [23:34] <JonathanS> JazzBot, me either. maybe clang on windows would be much better than Microshitty compilers
1398. # [23:34] <JazzBot> haha.. GNU is the best
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1400. # [23:34] <JazzBot> :D
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1402. # [23:35] <JazzBot> I'll always stick to linux, unless when I go to college they require microfail
1403. # [23:35] <JazzBot> lol
1404. # [23:35] <JonathanS> JazzBot or Java ;)
1405. # [23:36] <xavier> Im using gcc and gdb. Do you guys use IDE for imporved workflow
1406. # [23:36] <JazzBot> I've been off Java for a couple years :p
1407. # [23:36] <JazzBot> xavier: it depends for me, what ever works for you
1408. # [23:37] <mcpherrin> xavier: In my opinion, as a beginner, that's a reasonable way to go. The more tools you start using, the more you'll use them as crutches you can't live without.
1409. # [23:37] <hub> xavier: I use Emacs
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1412. # [23:38] <JazzBot> I use gedit
1413. # [23:38] <JazzBot> lol
1414. # [23:38] <JazzBot> and compile my self
1415. # [23:38] <xavier> That first sentence seems contradict. Guessing working barebones is good start
1416. # [23:38] <JonathanS> mcpherrin, it is funny how people are depend too much on intellisense when they use normal text editors then they said "what is this, dark ages"
1417. # [23:38] <JazzBot> it makes me feel like I'm smart
1418. # [23:38] <JazzBot> lol
1419. # [23:38] <JonathanS> I use Sublime Text 2
1420. # [23:39] <JazzBot> sublime text 2?
1421. # [23:39] <JazzBot> never heard of it
1422. # [23:39] <xavier> thats one i'm using. I like the built in compile
1423. # [23:39] <JonathanS> JazzBothttp://www.sublimetext.com/2
1424. # [23:39] <JonathanS> oops space :/
1425. # [23:39] <mcpherrin> JonathanS: it's funny how people depend on editors, when they program with 'echo' and 'cat' they're just like, WTF?
1426. # [23:40] <JazzBot> that actually looks cool
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1428. # [23:42] <JazzBot> did I just see the editor change all the relating variables at once?
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1430. # [23:42] <JazzBot> if so.. I want that.. to many times where I get picky and want to rename variables lol
1431. # [23:42] <JazzBot> :p
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1433. # [23:43] <xavier> I like you you can have multiple cursors
1434. # [23:43] <xavier> I've also read a lot of good things about vim but steep learn curve
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1437. # [23:46] <hub> xavier: M-x compile in Emacs, it is built-in :-)
1438. # [23:47] <xavier> Well i'll focus on learning the language for now
1439. # [23:47] <xavier> C -> Assembly -> C++ -> XML -> Web languages
1440. # [23:48] <xavier> Are a deep knowledge of algorithms and data structures needed? I've seen complicated maths
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1442. # [23:49] <JazzBot> Boolean Algebra first
1443. # [23:49] <JazzBot> http://cs.smith.edu/~thiebaut/ArtOfAssembly/artofasm.html
1444. # [23:49] <JazzBot> best tutorial for Assembly in my opinion
1445. # [23:50] <JazzBot> newb friendly
1446. # [23:50] <xavier> thank you so much
1447. # [23:50] <JazzBot> XML is more so about memorization, nothing real fancy to it :p
1448. # [23:50] <JazzBot> and learn c++ before c
1449. # [23:51] <JazzBot> but learn assembly first
1450. # [23:51] <xavier> If i do C++, any need for C alone?
1451. # [23:51] <JazzBot> that way you know how to write very good c++ code
1452. # [23:51] <JazzBot> well.. you can include c in c++ (most c at least)
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1454. # [23:52] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
1455. # [23:52] <JazzBot> here is why I prefer c++ over c...
1456. # [23:52] <JazzBot> 1. Exception Handling!!!!!!!!! Who wants to have unsafe products? 2. The extra features! 3. The constructor that init objects which gets automatically called by the compiler 4. Operator Overloads 5. C is basically a subset of C++ now.. yes I know about the C99 features however I mean in the general features.. or most commonly needed/used more so.
1457. # [23:53] <JazzBot> (I pulled this from a message I recently sent to someone
1458. # [23:53] <JazzBot> ^ to xavier
1459. # [23:54] <gps> xavier: if you are looking to get involved with contributing, you may want to check out the #introduction channel
1460. # [23:55] <gps> see also http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/ for bugs you can look into immediately
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1464. # [23:55] <xavier> Ah okay. I was expecting to learn C and then learn new features in C++.
1465. # [23:56] <xavier> I'll move on to intro, don't want to keep discussion so entry-level
1466. # [23:56] <JazzBot> Let me find you a link...
1467. # [23:56] <xavier> Thanks for your advice
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1469. # [23:56] <gps> do whatever you are most comfortable with or whatever technology you need to learn first. it takes years to master either. do what benefits you most
1470. # [23:56] <JazzBot> xavier: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
1471. # [23:57] <JazzBot> and use the forum board for help if you get confused about something
1472. # [23:57] <Archaeopteryx> mjrosenb: you can try this to kill the bugs: https://builder.addons.mozilla.org/user/47341/ it will only close the ones in the current window if you left click it
1473. # [23:57] <xavier> I'll give it a look. thank you
1474. # [23:57] <JazzBot> I'm still learning after 3 years.. I feel like I'll never stop learning lol
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1476. # [23:57] <xavier> thats the fun of it :)
1477. # [23:58] <evilpie> dom binding people
1478. # [23:58] <JazzBot> exactly, thats why I'm going to major in computer science :p
1479. # [23:58] <evilpie> is calling mozilla::dom::CanvasRenderingContext2DBinding::genericMethod a bad sign?
1480. # [23:58] * Parts: xavier (xavier@moz-3119CA85.dyn.optonline.net)
1481. # Session Close: Sat Nov 24 00:00:00 2012

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