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# Session Start: Sun Dec 16 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <fryn> gavin: ping
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# [00:01] <UCC> I understand
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# [00:13] <@gavin> fryn: pong
# [00:13] <@gavin> jduell: yeah, looking
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# [00:16] <fryn> gavin: i'm pushing a one-line fix
# [00:16] <fryn> to fix the bustage
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# [00:16] <fryn> gavin: in browser.js
# [00:17] <fryn> typeof options == "object"
# [00:17] <fryn> should just be:
# [00:17] <fryn> options
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# [00:17] <@gavin> fryn: why did this test hit bustage when other tests pass no arguments to OpenBrowserWindow?
# [00:18] <@gavin> oh, it's null vs. undefined
# [00:18] <@gavin> typeof null == object strikes again
# [00:18] <fryn> gavin: yeah, exactly.
# [00:18] <fryn> yeah...
# [00:18] * fryn shakes fist at brendan (jokingly)
# [00:19] <@gavin> fryn: I think we should just change the test to pass undefined
# [00:19] <@gavin> at https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83e7913cba52#l3.44
# [00:20] <fryn> gavin: i considered it
# [00:20] <fryn> but in browser.js there is no precedent for checking typeof foo == "object"
# [00:20] <fryn> and it's simply a bad way to check, imho.
# [00:20] <fryn> if you look at other null-ish checks, they do the
# [00:21] <fryn> if (foo && foo.bar) pattern
# [00:21] <@gavin> true enough, but we can followup with that in a non-bustaage situation
# [00:21] <@gavin> I agree with you
# [00:21] <fryn> ok. i'll fix the test, and then file a bug and flag you to fix browser.js?
# [00:21] <@gavin> I'm pushing a fix
# [00:21] <@gavin> but yeah you can do the latter
# [00:22] <fryn> gavin: i already wrote the test fix. do you want to push it? #racecondition
# [00:22] <@gavin> I just did
# [00:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/84896936f0d4 - Gavin Sharp - Fix bustage from bug 802026
# [00:22] <@gavin> I wonder why I didn't catch this locally...
# [00:22] <fryn> haha ok
# [00:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ec6bb025e964 - Gavin Sharp - Fix bustage from bug 802026, a=me
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# [00:28] <@gavin> fryn: thanks for looking into it
# [00:29] <fryn> gavin: thanks for the quick reply. :)
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# [00:34] <@gavin> oh, it was because I was testing the non-per-window branch
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# [00:46] <WG9s> I stillwonder if we will get pople complainign about the per window private browsing changes because they are in the I am watching porn now and someone shows up and Shift-Ctrl-P no longer hides all the private browsing stuff.
# [00:48] <WG9s> But that is not to say i think the new way it works makes more sense.
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# [00:49] <WG9s> Just my emergencvy I am tyring to hide what I am dong form someone else key sequence no longer works. Not really an issue for me.
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# [01:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ef57a0236dbd - Gavin Sharp - Fix more bustage from bug 802026, a=me
# [01:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c22a2faf56d6 - Frank Yan - Bug 822056 - Use truthy test not typeof == 'object' for OpenBrowserWindow options in browser.js. r=gavin
# [01:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18bc32f799d1 - Jeff Walden - Bug 820570 - Move mozilla::DebugOnly into DebugOnly.h to pare down the grab-baggish Util.h. r=Ms2ger
# [01:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e283fe34dcb1 - Erick Dransch - Bug 808286 - Use enum instead of JSBool for param to js_ErrorReportNumber. r=Waldo
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# [01:25] <jviereck> is there a reason why the "right:0" style for an "position:absolute" on an textarea is ignored?
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# [01:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e44aec095e3 - Till Schneidereit - Bug 784293 - Support creating and lazily cloning arbitrary objects in self-hosted code. r=jwalden
# [01:28] <Callek> probably
# [01:28] * Callek doesn't know why, but there are lots of complex rules around layout CSS
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# [01:41] <Waldo> jviereck: if I had to guess, it's because styling form elements is woefully underspecified, but that's just a guess
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# [01:59] <Waldo> hm
# [02:01] <Waldo> what can anyone say about how comm-central imports mozilla-central, or whatever the scheme is?
# [02:01] <Waldo> Callek: ^ ?
# [02:02] <Waldo> Callek: just realized that bug 820570 probably needs a c-c change to one file
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# [02:02] <Callek> Waldo: client.py pulls in mozilla-central to |./mozilla/|
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# [02:02] <Waldo> Callek: so when that goes to m-c someone has to fix c-c at the same time?
# [02:03] <Waldo> mailnews/addrbook/src/nsAbView.cpp looks to be the only file that needs to be changed, to modify a mozilla/Util.h -> mozilla/DebugOnly.h
# [02:03] <Callek> Waldo: so yea someone needs to fix http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?string=DebugOnly&find=mailnews&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=comm-central
# [02:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/209a63d0a38f - Gavin Sharp - Bug 814793: fix flaky test, to try to get around bustage revealed by bug 802026
# [02:05] <Callek> Waldo: what is the reasoning for the move?
# [02:05] * Callek notes it feels like API churn for the sake of churn, and not a real useful change
# [02:05] <Waldo> Callek: minimize dependencies
# [02:05] <Waldo> Callek: make it easier to tell what exists by directory-skimming
# [02:06] <Waldo> Callek: what you *you* say exists in a header named Util.h, without reading it?
# [02:06] <Waldo> s/what you/what would/
# [02:06] <Callek> utilities ;-)
# [02:06] <Waldo> qed
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# [02:26] <nemo> heh. reading http://blog.finette.com/2012/12/11/ive-been-everywhere-man on planet.mozilla.org
# [02:26] <nemo> great. now he just has to write it once
# [02:26] <nemo> and everyone else just has to switch to the browser he supports
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# [02:26] <nemo> might as well be back in 2001
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# [02:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/30de61bc8321 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 820196 - CSP slows down app startup by ~12% [r=geekboy]
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# [04:07] <RyanVM> nrc: yes, you should star it the same as all the ones below your push ;)
# [04:08] <RyanVM> gavin: what's the story with your bustage?
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# [04:20] <nrc> RyanVM: thanks, I wasn't sure if that bug was specific to talos tests or r3 or something
# [04:21] <RyanVM> it's the slave that's bad
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# [04:26] <mjrosenb> is there some reason that tbpl is feeling really blue?
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# [04:28] <RyanVM> mjrosenb: take note of the slave
# [04:29] <RyanVM> talos-r3-fed-068 is busted and we can't do anything about it currently
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# [04:36] <Callek> RyanVM: fwiw I just asked over getting a weekend hand on it, I have no promises yet ;-)
# [04:36] <KWierso|Home> set it on fire?
# [04:36] <KWierso|Home> (literally) :)
# [04:37] <RyanVM> Callek: that would be graet
# [04:37] <RyanVM> I just starred over 100 of them on inbound
# [04:37] <RyanVM> and that doesn't include all the automatically-restarted blue ones
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# [04:37] <Callek> RyanVM: yea, I filed Bug 822073 and spoke with the on-call sysadmin (though he's not the one who would drive)
# [04:38] <Callek> absolutely hoping it can get dealt with before noon tomorrow, preferrably even sooner than that
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# [05:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b59ec40e3392 - Mark Finkle - Bug 821840 - Fix redeclaration warning in SessionStore.js r=bnicholson
# [05:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fb70af2d687 - Mark Finkle - Bug 820658 - Private Browsing leaks history in SQLite's Write-Ahead Log for tabs.db r=bnicholson
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# [08:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e4e600adc3b - Josh Matthews - Bug 782542 - Secure necko IPDL usage. r=ted,jduell
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# [09:13] <smontagu> hg update isn't working for me
# [09:13] <smontagu> says "not updating: path contains illegal component: /pymake/tests/native-touch.mk"
# [09:13] <@gavin> hg up -C
# [09:14] <@gavin> we should have an etherpad.mozilla.org/commonissues
# [09:14] <@gavin> where we can put things like "MXR out of date" and "path contains illegal component? hg up -C"
# [09:14] <Ms2ger> Alright, now we've got it :)
# [09:15] <@gavin> I think that MXR out of date one is out of date
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# [09:18] <smontagu> thanks gavin
# [09:19] <nigelb> or, you know, a wiki page.
# [09:19] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'Introducing https://etherpad.mozilla.org/commonissues || Next merge: 7 January || New? Want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , http://logbot.glob.com.au'
# [09:19] <Ms2ger> nigelb, that involves accounts and passwords :)
# [09:19] <nigelb> Ms2ger: valid point. this is a good idea.
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# [12:18] <evilpie> oh commonissues is not french but common - issues
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# [12:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5dd106eee315 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 822025 - nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp:9752:7: warning: variable 'wrapperType' is used uninitialized whenever switch default is taken. r=bz.
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# [13:24] <NeilAway> evilpie: surely french is a common issue?
# [13:24] <Luqman> 34
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# [13:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a80379c23cff - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 820292 - [MMI/USSD] System message on incoming USSD; r=philikon
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# [13:57] <NeilAway> Ms2ger`: what's a good set of try builds for a general test of a treewide change?
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# [14:00] <gaston> Yoric: $firefox
# [14:00] <gaston> OS Unix Could not open libc libsystem.B.dyli
# [14:00] <gaston> this still happens ?
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# [14:28] <Ms2ger`> NeilAway, linux64 + all tests, I guess
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# [14:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5ef3d98bc229 - Trevor Saunders - bug 819215 - make NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_XXXCLASS unnecessary r=smaug, mccr8
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# [15:25] <Yoric> gaston: I have heard one report of this happening but the person who reported this never responded to my investigations.
# [15:26] <gaston> mkay, i'll dig this a bit more, first recheck if this still happens with m-c (that was with 17)
# [15:26] <gaston> todolist++
# [15:27] <Yoric> Yeah,,,
# [15:28] <Yoric> ...
# [15:28] <Yoric> I know the feeling.
# [15:28] * Yoric is so very tired these days.
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# [15:28] * Yoric will probably take a few days off.
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# [15:29] <Yoric> Or at least a real week-end without working.
# [15:29] <Ms2ger`> Yoric, you're doing it wrong ;)
# [15:30] <Yoric> I know :)
# [15:30] <Ms2ger`> Lemme just say this...
# [15:30] <Ms2ger`> Get out :)
# [15:30] <Yoric> I have spent most of the week-end attempting to figure out why patches that pass nicely TryServer for me failed on inbound.
# [15:31] <Matti> take a weekend off and relay with mozilla hobby :-)
# [15:31] <Yoric> Plus trying to figure out why the small web app I am using for teaching purposes maxes out at ~20fps on fennec.
# [15:31] <Yoric> :)
# [15:31] <Yoric> Anyway, I'll try and at least get away from the keyboard.
# [15:31] <Yoric> ttyl
# [15:32] <Ms2ger`> See you, but not today :)
# [15:33] <Matti> away from keyboard ? I guess he wants to use voice inout
# [15:33] <Matti> s/inout/inout
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# [15:45] <avih> from chome JS, I need to print messages to the error console, and i was told that Application.console.log should not be used. what's my alternative?
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# [15:46] <avih> maybe Services.console.logStringMessage() ?
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# [15:58] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger`: thanks for adding the link, it seems my scripts decided they prefered going out to lunch to doing there job
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# [16:37] <Ms2ger`> tbsaunde, np
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# [16:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0804d5dc4403 - Simon Montagu - Test for bug 815500
# [16:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3548adeeb163 - Simon Montagu - Test for bug 815477
# [16:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1392f08d1000 - Simon Montagu - When the text node that set the directionality of an element with dir=auto is removed, and there is no other text node that can set the directionality, clear the
# [16:39] <firebot> dirAutoSetBy property on the element. Bug 815500, r=peterv
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# [16:58] <avih> how do i "Please rev the uuid" after changing an idl file?
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# [16:58] <@smaug> firebot: uuid
# [16:58] <firebot> c98249a5-d38a-4ec6-b6e0-6866ea87d6bb (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
# [16:58] <@smaug> avih: ^
# [16:59] <@smaug> or http://mozilla.pettay.fi/cgi-bin/mozuuid.pl
# [16:59] <@smaug> and just copy paste the new uuid to the .idl file
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# [17:01] <avih> smaug: so i use firefot to generate a new uuid and edit the idl file, replacing (e.g. "[scriptable, uuid(C98B7275-93C4-4EAD-B7CF-573D872C1071)]") with the one i got from firebot?
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# [17:01] <@smaug> yup
# [17:01] <avih> k, thanks.
# [17:02] <@smaug> at least on linux uuidgen is pretty common
# [17:02] <@smaug> that can generate uuids too
# [17:03] <avih> i know how to generate uuids, but i was wondering if there's a specific tool which is prefferable, e.g. the firebot one
# [17:03] <@smaug> oh, the tool doesn't matter
# [17:03] <@smaug> especially with uuid
# [17:03] <avih> but the firebot ones are valid and can be used too, yes?
# [17:03] <@smaug> if you want the CID/C++ form, then mozuuid.pl is useful
# [17:04] <@smaug> avih: yes, firebot gives valid uuids
# [17:04] <avih> smaug: thanks.
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# [17:09] <avih> in chrome JS, is there a convention of when to use methods which begin with underscore, members which begin with mXx or with underscore?
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# [17:09] <avih> it appears that private methods appear with _, but not sure about members
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# [17:13] <@smaug> avih: gavin might know
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# [17:13] <avih> smaug: the firebot uuid is all uppercase, but the previous one wasn't, is that important?
# [17:14] <avih> sorry, the other way around. same question.
# [17:14] * @smaug thinks chrome js doesn't have as strict coding style rules as content/ and dom/ for example
# [17:14] <@smaug> avih: doesn't matter
# [17:14] <@smaug> I think some tool on Windows gives uppercase
# [17:14] <@smaug> but usually it is lowercase
# [17:14] <avih> ok
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# [17:57] <avih> smaug: couldn't find any style guide regarding preferred way to do if (a = b){..} vs: a = b; if (a){..}.. is there such preference?
# [17:58] <Ms2ger`> Latter, usuallt
# [17:58] <Ms2ger`> usually
# [17:58] <avih> especially when |a| is x.y.z etc, dereference might have added performance impact
# [17:59] <avih> in JS...
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# [18:01] <@smaug> I don't know the coding style for chrome js
# [18:01] <@smaug> s/chrome/firefox/
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# [18:02] <@smaug> but yeah, in that case the latter looks better
# [18:02] <@smaug> easier to read
# [18:03] <avih> k, thx.
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# [18:15] <NeilAway> avih: you typically need if ((a = b)) to avoid the warnings
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# [18:15] <avih> NeilAway: ok, but would i use it when |a| is x.y.z... ?
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# [18:16] <NeilAway> avih: no, as compared to if (a = b) which most languages warn about in case you meant if (a == b)
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# [18:16] <NeilAway> Ms2ger`: the correct answer was "have you run the appropriate tests locally yet?"
# [18:16] <avih> NeilAway: not sure i followed your last answer
# [18:16] <avih> (no, as compared...)
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# [18:17] <avih> NeilAway: i meant, should i use if ((x.y.z = b)){..} vs: x.y.z = b; if (x.y.x){...}
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# [18:20] <@smaug> avih: are you writing some really perf critical js code?
# [18:20] <@smaug> or is accessing .y slow
# [18:20] <avih> smaug: i think both answers are no
# [18:21] <@smaug> if the code isn't perf critical, better to try to keep the code easier to read, IMO
# [18:22] <@smaug> you could do if (b) { x.y.z = b; ...}
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# [18:23] <avih> smaug: yes, but i also need x.y.z if the condifion is not met
# [18:23] <Ms2ger`> I don't think you need to worry about this
# [18:23] <avih> k, i'll do it the simple ay. thx.
# [18:23] <avih> way
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# [18:24] <@smaug> would it be time for breakfast
# [18:24] <@smaug> it is only 7:20pm
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# [18:32] <Optimizer> is anyone else noticing frames being dropped while doing tab drag animation on windows 7 HWA on ?
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# [19:31] <@gavin> avih: mFoo is seen as deprecated in chrome JS, in favor of _foo (for "internal" properties)
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# [19:36] <avih> gavin: thanks, yes, that's what i also ended up with after reading https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Coding_Style :)
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# [20:11] <WG9s> You are right on with bug 782542. My comment that it was thought to be random was really being generous. I knew it really did not match.
# [20:12] <WG9s> I was just trying to point out there was a problem without throwing anyone under the bus! ;-)
# [20:12] <edmorley> hehe
# [20:13] <edmorley> To be fair, the current inbound setup does mean the average dev doesn't need to be as familiar with TBPL as they used to
# [20:13] <edmorley> but given that devs are able (and expected) to use Try now and then, they still need to have an idea of what is going on
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# [20:14] <WG9s> Yes but doing a try build that shows issues and then pushing anyway does seem odd.
# [20:14] <edmorley> or more, even if they don't, knowing that TBPL suggestion string != TBPL failure string, so press the retry button or ask on #developers
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# [20:14] <edmorley> WG9s: yeah odd plus now actually costs $$$ given we use Amazon Ec2
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# [21:22] <Waldo> hey all, my cat's breath smells like catfood, what should I do?
# [21:23] <@gavin> Waldo: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/commonissues
# [21:23] <Waldo> :-D
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# [21:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62a769a3ae0e - Timothy Nikkel - Backout 9f6c579151c5 (bug 805745) for making bug 813024 worse.
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# [21:53] <RealRaven> is there a safe way of recursively iterating cssRules of type IMPORT_RULE? I am finding there must be circular references going on, how do I break them?
# [21:53] <RealRaven> or maybe is there a function that flattens ALL style rules of a style sheet?
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# [21:57] <RealRaven> I am finding I have problems dybnamically changing rules since I am using @impoty
# [21:57] <RealRaven> @import
# [21:58] <RealRaven> so I have written this recursive way of searching for my css rule drilling donw into any @import rules, but that doesn't ever end. instead RAM increases 100MB/sec - classical circular referencing
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# [22:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fbec2ea99d3a - Robert Strong - Bug 821343 - TestAUSHelper doesn't exist for b2g xpcshell_updater tests, r=ahal
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# [22:14] <jviereck> what exactly happens if I restart Fx in "Safe Mode"? I can reproduce a bug when running Fx normally but not in Safe Mode and it doesn't seem to be related to Addons. Any changes in the way we accelerate graphics/canvas?
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# [22:15] <nrc> jviereck: yes, hardware acceleration is disabled
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# [22:15] <edmorley> jviereck: gfx hardware acceleration is disabled, methodjit is disabled, addons disabled
# [22:15] <nrc> what is the bug?
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# [22:19] <jviereck> nrc: I render the tracemonkey paper in the helloworld example of PDF.JS
# [22:19] <jviereck> that renders one page (in my case 11) to a canvas
# [22:19] <jviereck> but it renders only the chart at the top and nothing of the other content
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# [22:23] <nrc> hmm, that is a bit weird, on Mac, we should use the same canvas backend with or without HWA, so safe mode should not affect it. I might be wrong about that, or it could be an issue in the js part. I'm afraid my mac is temporarily out of action, so I can't test right now
# [22:24] <nrc> jviereck: could you file a bug for this please and copy the infor from about:support to the bug?
# [22:24] <jviereck> nrc: I notice the rendering is way slower when in safe mode
# [22:24] <nrc> *info
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# [22:25] <nrc> jviereck: yes, go to about:config and set layers.acceleration.disabled to false
# [22:26] <jviereck> guess you mean true?
# [22:26] <nrc> you'll then need to restart Firefox for the new setting to take effect.
# [22:26] <nrc> ah yes, true, sorry
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# [22:26] <nrc> you can see whether HWA is on or off and which canvas backend is being used in about:support
# [22:26] <nrc> the graphics section
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# [22:28] <jviereck> nrc: disabling hwa makes the difference
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# [22:29] <jviereck> nrc: should I add you as /cc on that bug? what's your bugmail?
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# [22:32] <nrc> jviereck: yes please, :nrc should find me
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# [22:32] <nrc> jviereck: thanks for filing the bug, if no-one gets to it first, I'll try to investigate next week (when I'll have my mac back online)
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# [22:33] <jviereck> nrc: no worries. Let me know if I can help. I have some experience with hacking Gecko/PDF.JS, but I'm loaded with university work ATM
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# [22:39] <nrc> sweet, cheeers!
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# [23:35] <aleth> What's the pref for turning off gfx acceleration?
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# [23:37] <aleth> nrc: thanks
# [23:38] <nrc> np
# [23:39] <aleth> seeing some nasty crashes on Linux and trying to find out if it's actually the nvdia driver causing it
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# [23:41] <nrc> HWA ought to be off on Linux unless you have turned it on - I think it still needs the force pref to be true
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# [23:43] <aleth> The pref you just mentioned was set to disabled=false by default (Aurora 19)
# [23:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fefbcfe3575a - Steven Michaud - Bug 804606 - Stop Flash from crashing in CoreGraphics mode on accessing "our" CGContextRef outside of the call we use to pass it. r=bgirard
# [23:43] <aleth> Oh, I see what you mean, the other pref
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