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# [00:08] <njn> roc: why do you need the big buffer of zeroes? how big is it? I really hope we *don't* have such a thing in memory...
# [00:09] <@roc> for audio channel mixing
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# [00:09] <@roc> basically I have an array of pointers to buffers, and sometimes I want to replace some of them with pointers to zeroes
# [00:10] <@roc> it actually doesn't need to be very big so I'm just going to statically allocate it
# [00:10] <@roc> 1920 bytes should be enough
# [00:11] <njn> roc: you can't just memset(0) the array?
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# [00:11] <@dolske> somewhere an expensive 1970s 2K memory chip is crying to itself.
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# [00:13] <@roc> njn: you misunderstand. But it doesn't matter.
# [00:13] <njn> ok
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# [00:24] <bjacob> bz: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/WebIDL_bindings#Interface_types, ẄebIDL interfaces, says that classes must inherit nsISupports. Is this still current?
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# [00:32] * Topic is 'Introducing https://etherpad.mozilla.org/commonissues || Fix your tests, please! http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ || Next merge: 18 February || New? Want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ , http://logbot.glob.com.au'
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# [00:56] <jesup|mac> dolske: that was probably 2Kbits... a symphony of 8 chips crying :-)
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# [00:59] <avih> if i'm asked to review a patch, should i just change flag to r+ at the line where i'm the Requestee?
# [01:02] <@dolske> avih: yes
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# [01:02] <avih> dolske: thanks
# [01:02] <@dolske> ...or r-, depending on what you think of the patch. ;)
# [01:03] <mjrosenb> anyone know if array_concat_dense is only called from jitted code, or if it can be called from other code?
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# [01:09] <avih> dolske: yeah, glad my first review was quite trivial. r+ it was ;)
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# [01:09] <avih> (fade out, fade in, the tree burns :p )
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# [01:14] <@dolske> some men just want to watch the tree burn.
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# [01:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ecac2ce4eada - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 828126 - Remove ANDROID special-casing now that dependent bugs have been fixed. r=avih
# [01:20] <avih> whee! :)
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# [01:26] <NeilAway> weird, I got a type error on (void 0) although the source says undefined
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# [01:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c5c4cff29edd - Dave Townsend - Bug 818468: Langpacks aren't being properly registered in bootstrappedAddons. r=Unfocused
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# [01:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2dae840fd362 - Matthew Gregan - Bug 829191 - Reset mEventDeliveryPaused before calling DispatchPendingMediaEvents. r=roc
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# [02:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/7210c963cb89 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 824294 - Check for null (destroyed) element just before we call PlaybackEnded on it. r=doublec, a=akeybl
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# [02:42] <dholbert> Looks like kats' m-i push is burning inbound https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=ecac2ce4eada
# [02:43] <dholbert> unless that's an infra issue
# [02:44] <dholbert> er s/burning inbound/burning inbound B2G tests/
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# [02:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c0d73ea9f22 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out ecac2ce4eada (bug 828126) for busting b2g's arm
# [02:49] <dholbert> philor, thanks
# [02:49] <philor> np, always happy to back out when I can put arm in the commit message
# [02:49] <dholbert> wakka wakka
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# [02:52] <philor> avih: hey, was *that* your first review?
# [02:52] <avih> philor: aye :)
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# [02:54] <nemo> bz: So. happened again
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# [02:54] <avih> philor: it was a rubber stamp. I opened the bug to remove some ifdefs from a patch pf mine, and now that the bug for which the ifdefs were added is fixed, kats took over it and r?me to remove the ifdefs. glad it was an easy one :p
# [02:54] <philor> nobody expects the -DANDROID=1 on b2g - it's two main weapons are fear, surprise, and a fanatical devotion to not making sense
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# [02:55] <njn> heycam: do you use git's staging area much?
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# [02:57] <heycam> njn, the area that you "git add" into?
# [02:57] <njn> heycam: yeah
# [02:57] <heycam> njn, I tend to only use it briefly as I decide which things to commit
# [02:57] <njn> heycam: as opposed to just using "git commit -a" and skipping it
# [02:57] <heycam> njn, I often selectively commit only certain files, or bits of changes from a file
# [02:57] <heycam> (selectively add … and then commit)
# [02:58] <njn> heycam: ok. I'm just learning git so |git commit -a| makes more sense to me, being like hg. I guess I'll learn as I go
# [02:59] <derf> I mean, git commit <list of files> works like you'd expect, without the git add nonsense.
# [02:59] <heycam> njn, there may be some clever uses of the index beyond using it to select which things you'll commit that I'm not familiar with
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# [02:59] <heycam> derf, oh, didn't know that
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# [03:00] <derf> It's git. There are like 139 commands. The amount anyone knows about any of them is very small.
# [03:00] <njn> derf: the UI is tragic, I can tell even in my newbieness. Such a shame.
# [03:00] <derf> njn: I would have called it a crime, more than tragic.
# [03:01] * njn won't argue
# [03:01] <derf> For added fun, the default behavior of every single one of them is wrong.
# [03:01] <derf> With no way to fix most of them.
# [03:02] <njn> derf: I'm wondering if a generous layer of aliases could help
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# [03:02] <derf> Well, I didn't feel like writing my own UI to access someone else's UI.
# [03:03] <derf> Oh, also you can't alias a command using the same name as the original command.
# [03:03] <derf> So you can't, e.g., alias git pull to git pull --ff-only
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# [03:04] <derf> You create a git pullthewaypullshouldactuallywork alias or something.
# [03:05] <njn> derf: I didn't know about --ff-only, that does seem nicer
# [03:05] <derf> njn: I know!
# [03:05] <derf> I can't imagine why you would want the other behavior at all.
# [03:06] <njn> derf: there seems to be a mentality of "git is awesome at merging, you should do it as much as possible"
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# [03:06] <derf> njn: Well, merging a lot is fine.
# [03:06] <njn> rebasing seems nicer in a lot of cases
# [03:06] <derf> Automatically doing merges and generating merge commits with useless commit messages is less fine.
# [03:06] <njn> yeah, that's nasty
# [03:07] <derf> Yes, exactly.
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# [03:07] <derf> I mean, automatic merge commits are disallowed in every project I work on that uses git.
# [03:08] <derf> But there's no way to just prevent them in the tooling.
# [03:09] <njn> derf: I'm imaging a set of aliases, every one of which starts with "my"
# [03:09] <njn> git mypull
# [03:09] <njn> git myadd
# [03:09] <njn> etc
# [03:09] <njn> *imagining
# [03:09] <derf> My solution was to try to use git as little as possible.
# [03:09] <njn> lol
# [03:10] <njn> derf: I'm mostly trying it because I'm sick of hg's slowness
# [03:10] <derf> And to try doing everything with as few unique commands as possible.
# [03:10] <derf> Most of my workflow starts off with "make a new copy of the repository" and ends with "and then throw it away".
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# [03:12] <derf> njn: People complain about hg's slowness, but the first time I tried to do something with a git checkout of m-c, it stalled for literally 15 minutes doing... something.
# [03:12] <derf> It wasn't even a complex command.
# [03:12] <derf> It was like git diff or something.
# [03:13] <njn> derf: I did a git checkout to a branch I just switched to and it took 20 seconds or something
# [03:13] <njn> which surprised me
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# [03:15] <derf> I mean, maybe it was a bug that was fixed... clearly other people have other experiences.
# [03:15] <derf> But I was not impressed.
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# [03:20] <@roc> git was really really fast when I tried it on mozilla-central on the new office Mac. I was impressed.
# [03:20] <@roc> the UI still sucks.
# [03:21] <@roc> the problem is that so much depends on git nowadays, I think most developers are going to have to learn to use git effectively.
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# [03:21] <@roc> so there's no reason for projects not to choose it. So we'll be stuck with it forever.
# [03:22] <derf> roc: Well, except Windows developers.
# [03:22] <derf> They still copy around .zip files.
# [03:22] <@roc> most free software developers, then
# [03:22] <derf> This was literally how Skype sent us patches for Opus.
# [03:22] <derf> Well, "patches".
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# [03:22] <derf> The .zip files just included new copies of the files that changed.
# [03:23] <JonathanS> derf with .diff file too?
# [03:23] <derf> JonathanS: Hahaha.
# [03:23] <derf> As if they'd ever heard of diff.
# [03:24] <JonathanS> > get zip file > do diff command :)
# [03:24] <derf> Well, more like get zip file, check out a copy of original source files, unzip new ones on top, then do diff command.
# [03:25] <derf> And hope nothing moved or got renamed.
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# [03:25] <JonathanS> derf, that be really sucks if they moved to a different path.
# [03:26] <derf> I think at one point they renamed every single file in their part of the project.
# [03:26] <JonathanS> lolwut?
# [03:26] <derf> Oh, and for added fun, they basically put every function in its own file.
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# [03:27] <derf> Because... because... I can't actually think of any rational reason for doing that.
# [03:27] <doublec> in those situations I do a rm of everythjing except the .git directory, unzip the archive,then 'git status' or 'diff'. Git often detects the moves/renames ok then.
# [03:27] <derf> doublec: Yeah, we managed.
# [03:27] <JonathanS> doublec, if it is .svn, it be in every freaking folder
# [03:27] <derf> Mostly jmspeex did the hard work.
# [03:27] <doublec> it's when they decide to do a ton of whitespace changes at the same time things go really bad :)
# [03:28] <derf> Oh, that never happened.
# [03:28] <derf> *snort*
# [03:28] <benjamin> svn 1.7 anyone?
# [03:28] <benjamin> only one toplevel .svn dir now :)
# [03:28] <JonathanS> benjamin, fascanting
# [03:29] <derf> Like a decade too late?
# [03:29] <benjamin> something like that
# [03:30] <benjamin> atomic commits, though
# [03:30] <derf> roc: But yeah. Learning git is basically a requirement now. And we will be stuck with it forever.
# [03:30] <mjrosenb> benjamin: that sadly gets rid of one of the most useful features of svn :(
# [03:30] <benjamin> you know how great that was after cvs?
# [03:30] <derf> benjamin: I do.
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# [03:31] <@roc> having every function in its own file is more modular, obviously
# [03:32] <JonathanS> roc, MVC?
# [03:32] <derf> roc: I guess it makes it easy to tell what functions changed.
# [03:32] <derf> Just look at which files are in the .zip file.
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# [09:21] <glandium> gaston: ipc/glue/GeckoChildProcessHost.cpp
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# [09:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d0c2d64e7cd - Robert Longson - Bug 818177 - Try to make anim-filter-filterRes-01.svg fail less often. r=dholbert
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# [09:46] <glandium> paul: ping
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# [09:58] <@smaug> Yoric: so in your proposal, what is nsIAsyncObserverCallback ?
# [09:58] <@smaug> who implements it?
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# [09:59] <@smaug> er, nm
# [09:59] <@smaug> I see
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# [10:03] <Yoric> smaug: The service passes it to the observer.
# [10:03] <Yoric> smaug: Note that I'm on PTO today, so I make no guarantee that I will be able to reply.
# [10:03] <@smaug> yeah, but it is the caller of notify which implements it
# [10:04] <@smaug> or passes something which implements it
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# [10:05] <Yoric> Oh, I understand the question.
# [10:05] <Yoric> We have several instances of nsIAsyncObserverCallback involved.
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# [10:05] <Yoric> One passed by the notifier to the service.
# [10:05] <Yoric> Plus one per observer passed by the service to the observer.
# [10:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/830177b40e86 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 813596: add marionette test cases, r=hsinyi
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# [10:14] <glazou> bonjour
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# [10:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5793475efa35 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 824825 - Add toolbar button and popup notification icons for tabs with camera / microphone access. r=dolske
# [10:22] <glazou> dzbarsky?
# [10:23] <glazou> hmmm
# [10:23] <@smaug> ?
# [10:23] <glandium> glazou: you only noticed now?
# [10:23] <@smaug> a younger clone of bz
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# [10:24] <glazou> I was just trying to ask firebot about him
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# [10:24] <glazou> yeah I know
# [10:24] <glazou> he made a patch that just kills table editing !
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# [10:25] <glazou> bug 830233
# [10:25] <@smaug> editor needs more tests
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# [10:25] <@smaug> oh, API change
# [10:25] <glazou> editor needs people knowing how the editor is used to avoid doing such things too...
# [10:26] <@smaug> yup
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# [10:29] <NeilAway> smaug: "change" is an understatement ;-)
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# [10:29] <glazou> yep
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# [10:34] <NeilAway> jdm: ping
# [10:34] <jdm> NeilAway: pong
# [10:34] <NeilAway> jdm: so, you seem to have misunderstood my m.d.platform post
# [10:34] <jdm> yes, apparently
# [10:35] <jdm> ok, so it was the change to the DownloadUI
# [10:35] * jdm reads that code
# [10:35] <NeilAway> jdm: in the old world, I register as download manager ui, and get given an id when a new download starts
# [10:35] <NeilAway> jdm: unfortunately ids don't work in the new world
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# [10:35] <jdm> yeah, that's unfortunate
# [10:36] <jdm> I wonder what marco will think about changing it to take a guid?
# [10:36] <NeilAway> jdm: actually I'd prefer it to take an nsIDownload
# [10:36] <jdm> that's a much better idea
# [10:37] <jdm> NeilAway: want to file a bug?
# [10:37] <NeilAway> jdm: sure
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# [10:41] <NeilAway> jdm: any choice of dependent bug or shall I leave it blank?
# [10:42] <jdm> NeilAway: leave it blank
# [10:43] <NeilAway> jdm: I wasn't sure whether you'd get bugmail so I CC'd you anyway
# [10:43] <jdm> good choice
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# [11:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7dce709a1a1d - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 829030 - Accessing the desktop notification API in the browser and approving permission errors out - API does not work, r=sicking
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# [11:19] <glazou> how do I add a nickname to my bugzilla account (:glazou), can't find the user preference about it?
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# [11:21] <KWierso|Home> glazou: add it to the "Your real name" section here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=account
# [11:21] <KWierso|Home> I don't think there's a separate place for it
# [11:21] <glazou> between ( ) ?
# [11:22] <KWierso|Home> sure
# [11:22] <glazou> trying
# [11:22] <KWierso|Home> the autocomplete for Cc and other fields just search for any part of the name string
# [11:23] <glazou> I see that now
# [11:23] <glazou> thanks KWierso|Home
# [11:23] <KWierso|Home> oh hey. 2:30am... :|
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# [11:27] <jdm> firebot: uuid
# [11:27] <firebot> 0c76d4cf-0b06-4c1a-9bea-520c7bbdba99 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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# [11:29] <glandium> ah thanks, i needed one
# [11:30] <glandium> /o\
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# [11:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b615d3bae9c - Peter Van der Beken - Fix for bug 827546 (|non editable element|.QueryInterface(Components.interfaces.nsIDOMNSEditableElement) does not throw anymore) - throw on QI failure. r=bz.
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# [12:01] <gaston> glandium: but if the binary itself doesnt have the rpath to where libxul/xpcom is, it wont reach even the code - since itd fail in ld.so trying to load the binary & finding its deps
# [12:01] <gaston> or there should be some kind of lazy loading ?
# [12:02] <glandium> gaston: that's the code that exec()s plugin-container
# [12:02] <gaston> aha
# [12:02] <gaston> i see
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# [12:05] <gaston> i guess the path that gets added might be wrong then
# [12:06] <gaston> lets add some debug printfs!
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# [12:08] <gaston> 476 # if defined(MOZ_WIDGET_ANDROID) || defined(OS_BSD)
# [12:08] <gaston> 477 path += "/lib";
# [12:08] <gaston> pretty sure that one is bogus
# [12:10] <glandium> gaston: comes from bug 753046
# [12:11] <gaston> gah
# [12:11] <glandium> i doubt it actually works for netbsd
# [12:12] <gaston> yep..
# [12:12] <gaston> that change was probably an oversight
# [12:12] <gaston> guess thats a free bug/commit for me :)
# [12:13] <mike5w3c> no mozilla-central changes in the last 24 hours?
# [12:14] * @smaug does see a merge
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# [12:14] <@smaug> about 21h ago
# [12:15] <@smaug> mike5w3c: if you're asking about new Nighlies, looks like they are being built atm
# [12:16] <mike5w3c> smaug: I mean I usually pull from m-c and build
# [12:17] <mike5w3c> and usually there are changes to build from
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# [12:22] <paul> glandium: pong
# [12:23] <glandium> paul: does bug 829460 actually break something, besides my check scripts?
# [12:24] <glandium> paul: (i.e. should it be uplifted to aurora or not?)
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# [12:29] <paul> glandium: it does. Some commands are not registered automatically because of that.
# [12:30] <paul> glandium: the custom commands set by the user
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# [12:30] <glandium> paul: would you mind setting approval-aurora? with the relevant information, then?
# [12:31] <paul> yes.
# [12:32] <glandium> thx
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# [12:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1615d9b83a57 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 828330 - B2G RIL: Expose iccid in nsIRadioInterfaceLayer.idl
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# [13:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e7dc5bede82 - Marco Chen - Bug 829420 - [Camera] In GonkNativeWindow::dequeueBuffer, -1 will be used as index to access an Arrary. r=kanru
# [13:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/08a48d3625d2 - Jacek Caban - Bug 829518 - Use MOZ_SEH_* macros for SEH exceptions
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# [14:26] <nmatsakis> I am seeing a lot of timeouts in my try test run. Can anyone advise me how to run e.g. the Mochitests or Talos tests locally?
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# [14:38] <nmatsakis> *found https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mochitest
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# [15:57] <@smaug> edmorley: do you happen to know which platform is fastest for testing? I mean a case when I know bc has been failing on all the platforms and I need to test a fix. I'd assume windows is slowest.
# [15:57] <bz> smaug: on try, or locally?
# [15:57] <@smaug> try
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# [15:58] <bz> smaug: if no backlog, in my experience mac64 is fastest...
# [15:58] <@smaug> k
# [15:58] <@smaug> good. I randomly picked up that
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# [15:58] <edmorley> smaug: yeah that or linux64
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# [15:59] <edmorley> smaug: the new queue counts on trychooser can help
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# [15:59] <@smaug> edmorley: yeah. queue was mostly empty
# [15:59] <edmorley> also if there is a chance you don't need debug, an opt test run will typically be 50% faster
# [16:00] <edmorley> (unsurprisnly)
# [16:00] <edmorley> in some cases on our infra they are over twice the runtime vs opt
# [16:00] <Ms2ger> bz, mm, but mac runs your tests on three versions
# [16:00] <edmorley> s/they/debug/
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# [16:01] <Optimizer> Is there a way to detect a filled xul textbox via CSS ?
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# [16:02] <@smaug> Optimizer: you mean non-empty?
# [16:02] <Optimizer> yes
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# [16:02] <Optimizer> like even if I lose focus on it, thre is some text, I want some style
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# [16:04] <@smaug> isn't there <input> inside textbox, and we do have styles for the <div> inside the <input>...
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# [16:04] <glazou> a xul textbox ?
# [16:05] <bz> Ms2ger: there's a way to avoid that somehow....
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# [16:05] <Optimizer> smaug: there is an input inside the textbox and there is a div inside that input ? :O
# [16:05] <Optimizer> I do not see that via DOMi
# [16:05] <bz> Optimizer: very much so
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> bz, that's good to know :)
# [16:05] <glazou> anonymous elements
# [16:05] <bz> Optimizer: the div is native anon; DOMi won't show it
# [16:05] <glazou> textbox input div:not(:empty) ?
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# [16:06] <@smaug> input > .anonymous-div:not(:empty)
# [16:06] <bz> Optimizer: the input is XBL anon; DOMi will show it if you ask.
# [16:06] <Optimizer> do I have to say please ?
# [16:06] <glazou> just toggle the right option in DOMI menus
# [16:06] <Optimizer> so this empty keyword works ?
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# [16:07] <bz> You have to select it under "View"
# [16:07] <glazou> Optimizer: you have to try
# [16:07] <bz> So I'm missing the context for this conversation
# [16:07] <Optimizer> textbox .anonymous-div:not(:empty)
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# [16:07] <bz> What are we trying to do, exactly?
# [16:07] <Optimizer> I want to apply style to a filled textbox only
# [16:07] <Optimizer> a non empty one
# [16:07] <bz> Ah
# [16:07] <bz> Then that <div> is irrelevant to you
# [16:08] <bz> Since you want to style the textbox, not the div, right?
# [16:08] <Optimizer> yup
# [16:08] <glazou> good catch
# [16:08] <paul> Optimizer: [isempty="true"]?
# [16:08] <Optimizer> when will parent selctors land :(
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# [16:08] <Optimizer> paul: isempty is native ?
# [16:08] <bz> They wouldn't help either
# [16:08] <bz> because the div is native anon
# [16:08] <bz> so you can't style it unless you're a UA stylesheet
# [16:08] <paul> no - I'm really not sure, but iirc, we add an attribute in the XBL
# [16:08] <glazou> it's XUL anyway bz
# [16:08] <Optimizer> browser.css is ?
# [16:08] <bz> So if you were HTML
# [16:09] <bz> browser.css is NOT
# [16:09] <Optimizer> I am XUL
# [16:09] <bz> XUL != UA stylesheet
# [16:09] <bz> So if you were in HTML
# [16:09] <glazou> wait, for textbox, the value attribute reflects the prose inside
# [16:09] <glazou> so
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# [16:09] <bz> I'd tell you to do <input required>
# [16:09] <glazou> textbox:not[value=""]
# [16:09] <glazou> sorry
# [16:09] <bz> and then match on :valid
# [16:09] <glazou> textbox:not([value=""])
# [16:09] <bz> Which sounds like what you want here.
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# [16:09] <Optimizer> yeah, I got that from stackoverflow :)
# [16:09] <bz> glazou: won't work
# [16:09] <Optimizer> I was wondering if we handle is somehow natively
# [16:09] <glazou> bz: why?
# [16:10] <bz> glazou: why would it possibly work?
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# [16:10] <Optimizer> it won't work unless you have a value attribute set to the textbox
# [16:10] <bz> So you real problem sounds like "xul textbox sucks and hasn't been updated with all the useful input things"
# [16:10] <bz> Yes?
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# [16:10] <bz> Have you considered using an html input instead of a xul textbox? ;)
# [16:10] <glazou> argl @value is only the default value
# [16:10] <bz> More seriously, we could try to fix textbox somehow to deal
# [16:10] <bz> but it's hard
# [16:11] <paul> the value attribute is not updated.
# [16:11] <Optimizer> I don't know if even HTML input can do that
# [16:11] <bz> Do what?
# [16:11] <Optimizer> detect emptiness
# [16:11] <bz> See above
# [16:11] <bz> I just told you how to do it for HTML
# [16:11] <Optimizer> that input required ?
# [16:11] <bz> Yes
# [16:11] <Optimizer> it doesn't work for textbox ?
# [16:12] <paul> yes, they can. :empty.
# [16:12] <bz> paul: NO
# [16:12] <bz> paul: NO, NO, NO
# [16:12] <paul> bz: really?
# [16:12] * bz wishes people would stop spreading misinformation
# [16:12] <bz> paul: just try it
# [16:12] <paul> bz: I meant for the HTML input
# [16:12] <bz> paul: please.
# [16:12] <bz> paul: yes, I know. Just try it.
# [16:12] <bz> Optimizer: no
# [16:12] <paul> indeed.
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# [16:12] <bz> Optimizer: textbox doesn't have any of the html5 bits on it
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# [16:13] <Optimizer> so its upto JS now ?
# [16:13] <bz> Optimizer: I was pretty serious, though: can you just use an HTML input and be done with it?
# [16:13] <bz> Optimizer: instead of perpetuating this xul brokenness?
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# [16:13] <Optimizer> everything is xul there, paul, what do you say ?
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# [16:13] <bz> Optimizer: I realize there may be other issues with that too, but that's the first thing I'd try
# [16:14] <bz> On a side note, it'll be interesting to see what web components does with this stuff..
# [16:14] <Optimizer> if we switch to input, we will loose all the styles that are already there, new style additions, too much pain for just one textbox
# [16:14] <Optimizer> web components ?
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# [16:17] <paul> Optimizer: kind of like XBL (anonymous content in JS, aka shadow DOM) but without the XML part.
# [16:17] <Optimizer> I did not get you
# [16:17] <paul> there's the <template> thing though. https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/explainer/index.html
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# [16:19] <Optimizer> ah..
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# [16:23] <glazou> I have a solution but it's a bit hacky
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# [16:23] <glazou> extend the textbox behaviour so the constructor listen to the inputFiled changes and updates a currentValue attribute on the textbox
# [16:23] <glazou> then use the CSS rule I described above for the @currentValue attribute
# [16:24] <bz> If you don't expect users to type much text in there, that would work, yeah
# [16:25] <glazou> then you only need to write a rather light new xbl for your own textbox and use that new element instead of <textbox>
# [16:25] <glazou> bz: because of perfs ?
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# [16:26] <bz> glazou: yes
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# [16:27] <glazou> bz: well, since it will only trigger a css rule, that would remain unnoticed I think
# [16:27] <glazou> after all, :valid and :invalid do almost that
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# [16:28] <bz> glazou: the "serialize the value on each keystroke" is where the perf might be a problem
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# [16:29] <bz> glazou: imagine doing that with a textfield with a good bit of text in it.
# [16:29] <bz> glazou: and note that this is not a trivial serialization either..
# [16:29] <glazou> then put a 500ms timeout
# [16:29] <bz> glazou: sure
# [16:29] <glazou> à la timedtext
# [16:29] <bz> glazou: if your use case works with that, that would be sane.
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# [16:30] <glazou> yep
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# [16:30] <glazou> I implemented a while ago to add pattern matching-based validity to a xul textbox
# [16:30] <glazou> implemented it
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# [16:32] <Optimizer> glazou: can it be used ?
# [16:32] <glazou> ah the other zbarsky
# [16:32] <glazou> Optimizer: no sorry, I did it for a customer and the code is theirs
# [16:32] <glazou> dzbarsky: sooooooo you wanted to kill all table editing features in all Gecko-based editors ???? Hmmmm ? :-D
# [16:33] <glazou> bug 830233
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# [16:33] <dzbarsky> glazou: yeah. tables are overrated
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> glazou, sounds good to me ;)
# [16:33] <glazou> my customers will most probably disagree :-D
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# [16:34] <devd> hello .. does anyone know how to fix Bug 456957 ? It is a source of repeated pain in a lot of components. I am happy to write the patch, but I need pointers on where to hack.
# [16:34] <devd> maybe bz or smaug ?
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# [16:36] * bz looks
# [16:37] <bz> devd: well, we'd have to call into content policy on redirects, yes?
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# [16:37] <RattyAway> gcp: ping
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# [16:38] <RattyAway> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4a2cd2911c28#l11.37
# [16:38] <RattyAway> SafeBrowsing.jsm isn't a component :P
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# [16:39] <gcp> RattyAway: ?
# [16:39] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: hey
# [16:39] <devd> bz: yes. But where is the redirect code? Right now, most addons etc add an observer. That seems an ugly solution for gecko code
# [16:40] <RattyAway> 11.37 -@BINPATH@/components/SafeBrowsing.js
# [16:40] <RattyAway> 11.38 +@BINPATH@/components/SafeBrowsing.jsm
# [16:40] <RattyAway> gcp: you should just have removed this line.
# [16:40] <RattyAway> it's already packaged here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/Makefile.in#61
# [16:40] <bz> devd: Each channel notifies its own observers
# [16:41] <bz> devd: and teh global event sink
# [16:41] <bz> devd: and a category of global observers
# [16:41] <bz> devd: the global sink is nsScriptSecurityManager, which does CheckLoadURI checks
# [16:41] <bz> devd: no obvious reason it couldn't do content policy checks
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# [16:42] <bz> devd: Or you could add a dedicated thing for this in the "net-channel-event-sinks" category
# [16:42] <devd> which one is called before hand? I think it might be useful perf-wise to call contentpolicy before notifying all the observors ?
# [16:43] <devd> nsscriptsecuritymanager ?
# [16:43] <bz> script security manage is called before anything else
# [16:43] <bz> since if CheckLoadURI fails you don't want to be notifying anyone else of anything
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# [16:43] <devd> which is also the argument of nsicontentpolicy being called right after that ?
# [16:44] <devd> err .. I meant,
# [16:44] <gcp> RattyAway: ok. I was surprisedx that code still exists, it looks like bug 807559 died.
# [16:44] <devd> which is also an argument to call nsicontentpolicy right after checkloaduri
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# [16:45] <gcp> RattyAway: note that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=807559#c2 disagrees with you
# [16:45] <glandium> gcp: i removed SafeBrowsing.jsm from mobile/ recently
# [16:45] <glandium> gcp: that path was wrong, though. it just happens that SafeBrowsing.jsm is caught under modules/*
# [16:46] <bz> devd: yes
# [16:47] <glandium> gcp: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/installer/package-manifest.in#379
# [16:47] <glandium> so yeah, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/installer/package-manifest.in#547 can go away
# [16:48] <padenot> /b 13
# [16:48] <RattyAway> gcp: yeah @BINPATH@/components/SafeBrowsing.jsm doesn't work anyway because SafeBrowsing.jsm isn't a component.
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# [16:50] <devd> bz: but, if I add a call to NS_CheckContentLoadPolicy in CheckloadURI; that means it would add a call for redirects, but also for all the other cases where contentpolicy already works?
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# [16:51] <devd> IF I am not wrong, you are saying to add the call at the end of CheckLoadURIwithPrincipal (http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/caps/src/nsScriptSecurityManager.cpp#1263): I think most arguments should be fine: I don't know how to get the context argument though
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# [16:51] <bz> devd: why the heck would you add it in CheckLoadURI?
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# [16:52] <bz> devd: just add it to the OnChannelRedirect code in secman
# [16:52] <bz> devd: and be very very careful
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# [16:52] <bz> devd: e.g. it's not clear what you should do here for REDIRECT_INTERNAL
# [16:54] <devd> bz: I was thinking I could just reuse what CSP already does http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsCSPService.cpp#207
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# [16:54] <bz> Looks wrong to me at first glance
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# [16:54] <bz> When is this code triggered?
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# [16:55] <bz> devd: ^
# [16:56] <devd> I don't know actually.. it seems it should be the same as http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/caps/src/nsScriptSecurityManager.cpp#2365
# [16:56] <devd> but I am guessing
# [16:56] <devd> by same, I mean , it should be triggered whenever the asyncchannelredirect in scriptsecuritymanager is called
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# [16:57] <bz> OK
# [16:57] <bz> So it doesn't look obviously right to me
# [16:57] <bz> Does it really mean to trigger on internal redirects?
# [16:58] <devd> what are internal redirects ?
# [16:58] <bz> Say I have a protocol handler that takes a URI like foo:bar?quork
# [16:58] <bz> And turns that under the hood into a load of http://bar.com/quork
# [16:58] <bz> _that_ is an internal redirect.
# [16:58] <bz> Or say I have a proxy.
# [16:59] <bz> That will generate an internal same-URI redirect
# [16:59] <bz> Fwiw, CORS skips doing any checks for internal same-URI redirects, since those are, for HTTP, just an implementation detail of our proxy implementation.
# [16:59] <bz> (HTTP proxy, that is)
# [16:59] <devd> I don't think that is part of the plan; but since CSP will ignore those loads, the code isn't breaking anything
# [17:00] <bz> Well
# [17:00] <bz> Except performance, yes?
# [17:00] <devd> bz: CSP definitely doesn't want to know about proxy internal redirects
# [17:00] <devd> exactly
# [17:00] <devd> performance
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# [17:00] <devd> which is why I want to fix this bug
# [17:00] <bz> So at minimum, NS_IsInternalSameURIRedirect
# [17:00] <devd> the same thing I suspect is happening also in mixedcontentblocker
# [17:00] <devd> and a bunch of other places
# [17:00] <bz> That will at least filter out proxy loads
# [17:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd49338d61c7 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 827454 - Per-window private browsing theme changes for Linux; r=dao
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# [17:00] <devd> ok
# [17:01] <devd> not sure what to do about the mailto: links though
# [17:01] <bz> What about mailto: ?
# [17:01] <devd> if I am not wrong, if I setup mailto: to use gmail (which means it will redirect to http://mail.google.com/blah)
# [17:01] <devd> do I want to call nsicontentpolicy or not ?
# [17:01] <bz> Ah
# [17:01] <bz> Good question.
# [17:02] <devd> I think NoScript will want a call, but that's the only case I can think of
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# [17:03] <devd> how about not calling for internal redirects called due to protocol handlers for now; if people ask for it, we can add it
# [17:03] <devd> I think most nsicontentpolicy listeners should be fine without it
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# [17:05] <bz> My main considerations here are that you not make stuff slow with this code. ;)
# [17:05] <devd> bz: my guess is that it will make things faster; although, it might mean removing some of the extraneous listeners in CSPService, mixedcontentblocker etc.
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# [17:09] <devd> bz: also, do we trust the the talos tests to check if this causes a perf hit ?
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# [17:09] <glandium> baku: have you looked at dxr?
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# [17:10] <baku> glandium, sure I did.
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# [17:10] <baku> haha Ms2ger tell me why :)
# [17:11] <Ms2ger> It just seems to get worse over time
# [17:11] <baku> glandium, dxr was too much, it requires to much time
# [17:11] <baku> hehe
# [17:11] <bz> devd: no
# [17:11] <bz> devd: well, maybe Ts/Txul
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# [17:13] <baku> glandium, so in the end, what I really need is mxr identifier, so I wrote something that does that... quick and dirty
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# [17:15] <kamathln> Is there a label/nickname for the remote debugger that I can search in bugzilla to get all bugs related to it? "remote debug" seems to return too much noise
# [17:16] <devd> bz: also, NS_IsInternalSameURIRedirect will catch the proxy redirects; how to filter the protocol handler redirects ? Couldn't find anything in nsNetUtil.h
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# [17:16] <bz> devd: define "protocol handler redirects"?
# [17:16] <devd> e.g. mailto: redirecting to mail.google.com/..
# [17:16] <bz> devd: I have no clue where and how that's implemented
# [17:17] <bz> devd: e.g. whether it's even a redirect in the necko sense
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# [17:17] <devd> ok .. I will ask someone familiar with necko. maybe bsmith
# [17:18] <bz> I dunno that it's anywhere necko-related
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# [17:18] <bz> Soemwhere in exthandler, maybe?
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# [17:20] <devd> bz_away: ok thanks
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# [19:01] <jcranmer> okay
# [19:01] <jcranmer> who wrote RangedPtr.h?
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# [19:01] <jcranmer> template<size_t N> RangedPtr(T arr[N]) is probably not what you want
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# [19:02] <jcranmer> template<size_t N> RangedPtr(T (&arr)[N]) is
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# [19:09] <cers> Enn: Hey, mind if I ask you some questions about bug 824110?
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# [19:15] <@bsmedberg> "Firefox crashes when I open millions of tabs!"
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# [19:16] <gsvelto> I'm having a weird issue in an xpcshell unit test which I've triggered while trying to fix bug 820438. In a nutshell it seems that nsJSEnvironment is initialized while XPCOM is already shutting down. This causes new obsevers waiting for xpcom-shutdown not to be invoked because the shutdown phase is already undergoing.
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# [19:16] <gsvelto> This seems to happen in all the tests under browser/components/places/tests/unit
# [19:17] <jdm> gsvelto: can you get a backtrace from nsJSEnvironment::Init?
# [19:17] <gsvelto> jdm: Sure
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# [19:19] <gsvelto> jdm: Actually I got it mixed up, it's nsJSRuntime::Init()
# [19:19] <jdm> still interested in it
# [19:20] <jdm> although I have to say that I'm confused
# [19:20] <jdm> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/shell/xpcshell.cpp#1809
# [19:20] <jdm> since that is during xpcshell setup
# [19:20] <reuben> make[8]: *** No rule to make target `/Users/Reuben/Development/mozilla-central/js/src/ctypes/libffi/src/debug.c', needed by `src/debug.lo'. Stop.
# [19:20] <reuben> do I need to clobber? :(
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# [19:21] <gsvelto> jdm: Yes, I was just as much confused. If I run the test in interactive mode _execute_test() runs fine and I hit nsRuntime::Init() only when executing quit(). BTW I'll have a trace in a minute, it's rebuilding right now.
# [19:21] <cers> I think there is a way around that, but I'm not certain I remember it
# [19:21] <cers> reuben: ^
# [19:21] <reuben> maybe just reconfigure? I can't remember how to
# [19:22] <jdm> reuben: so, I have a debug.c in my tree
# [19:22] <jdm> and you apparently don't
# [19:22] <jdm> check hg status?
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# [19:23] <reuben> jdm, I have a debug.c, what I don't seem to have is a make rule to build it
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# [19:24] <Enn> cers: ok
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# [19:25] <gsvelto> jdm: Here you go http://pastebin.com/CFRTqVxw It's quite deep
# [19:25] <jdm> froydnj: there's a pref or two that can be set
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# [19:25] <cers> Enn: well basically, how do I know what has focus at any given moment?
# [19:26] <gsvelto> jdm: BTW it's the only time I hit nsRuntime::Init() in the whole run
# [19:26] <Enn> from script or c++?
# [19:26] <froydnj> jdm: I assumed those prefs were already set, but I didn't dive very deep on it last week
# [19:26] <cers> Enn: from c++
# [19:26] <jdm> froydnj: no, they're not. they're set for some test directories, as far as I can tell.
# [19:26] <jdm> er, set by head.js files sometimes, I think
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# [19:28] <Enn> cers: if the window can be in the foreground or background, nsFocusManager::GetFocusedDescendant where aWindow is a top-level window
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# [19:28] <jdm> gsvelto: want to step through main and see why http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/shell/xpcshell.cpp#1809 doesn't work?
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# [19:29] <gsvelto> jdm: Sure, thanks for the tip. I'll come back later because it's time for dinner over here :-)
# [19:29] <jdm> froydnj: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=startup.page&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
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# [19:29] <jdm> gsvelto: yeah, likewise :)
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# [19:31] <jdm> reuben: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2059072
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# [19:42] <mconnor> Pike: the whole "change entitities if string changes" rule, does that matter for trunk?
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# [19:42] <Pike> mconnor: yes
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# [19:42] <Pike> we need the localizers following trunk to catch your mistakes ;-)
# [19:43] <mconnor> Pike: bah. I wish we had a better system already!
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# [19:49] <jaws> where can i learn more about the various blocking-b2g flags?
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# [19:51] <js2ger> The pits of fell
# [19:52] <froydnj> geekboy++
# [19:53] <froydnj> jdm: ahah, thanks for the pointer
# [19:53] <geekboy> froydnj: huwut?
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# [19:53] <froydnj> geekboy: the third-party cookies thing
# [19:53] <geekboy> oh
# [19:54] <geekboy> yeah, I just threw a big steak into the lion pen.
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# [19:54] <geekboy> or as ekr said, a grenade
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# [19:54] <@gavin> Standard8: ping?
# [19:54] <froydnj> jdm: huh, should have been set for chrome mochitests. wonder why it wasn't...maybe just some local peculiarity
# [19:54] <froydnj> geekboy: a grenade wrapped in steak
# [19:54] <geekboy> froydnj: would rather block all cookies everywhere, but you know, we want a web.
# [19:55] <froydnj> geekboy: I know! those users want saved state and stuff. annoying
# [19:55] <edmorley> jaws: some explanations of the new b2g flags at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-12-18#Firefox_OS
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# [19:56] <@gavin> mconnor: ping?
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# [19:58] <mconnor> gavin: pong
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# [20:00] <@gavin> mconnor: do you recall how the services-dev google groups mirroring was setup?
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# [20:01] <mconnor> gavin: the mirroring broke a while ago, alas
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# [20:01] <mconnor> gavin: but it was just a "subscribe this guid-like email address to the list"
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# [20:02] <@gavin> ah, so you can do it yourself?
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# [20:02] <@gavin> do you know why it was broken?
# [20:02] <mconnor> gavin: when they changed group
# [20:02] <mconnor> groups*
# [20:02] <nemo> heh. I was already annoyed at the Samsung website's sucky JS as I struggle to fill out this RMA for my Chromebook. But man. these guys aren't even trying.
# [20:02] <mconnor> sec
# [20:02] <nemo> document.getElementById("DIV_Dataprocess").style.visibility = "hidden";
# [20:02] <nemo> document.all.processImg.disabled = false;
# [20:02] <nemo> yes. they use them interchangeably :)
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# [20:03] <nemo> I have no idea if that's why my "please wait" spinner has been there for so long, but probably part of it.
# [20:03] <nemo> I guess Korean website - codes for their local 95% IE
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# [20:05] <nemo> BTW, fair warning to anyone who has a Chromebook, don't try to use alsamixer. There's a decent chance you'll trigger a literal HCF
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# [20:05] <nmatsakis> when running mochitests, I get these errors: Firefox can't find the server at www.mochi.test.
# [20:05] <nmatsakis> I am connected by wifi to Mozilla-G
# [20:05] <nemo> Apparently their badass speakers can be turned up to 11,000,000
# [20:05] <nmatsakis> is there other setup I need to do?
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# [20:05] <jhammel> nemo: literally catching fire? wow
# [20:06] <nemo> jhammel: yes :(
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# [20:06] <js2ger> mochi.test is set up by the script, nmatsakis
# [20:06] <mcsmurf> someone has already tried to install the latest Java update on Windows?
# [20:06] <nmatsakis> js2ger: does that mean I am not running the tests properly?
# [20:06] <jhammel> nemo: wow. that's like...almost worth buying a machine to see
# [20:06] <mcsmurf> just wondering as the plugin no longer appears now in Firefox and SeaMonkey :o
# [20:06] <nemo> jhammel: I powered it off within seconds, but was too late. smoke was already rising, and bits of the case plastic on the grill, drooping like melted cheese
# [20:06] <js2ger> nmatsakis, it appears that way, how are you running it?
# [20:06] <nemo> jhammel: lord knows what would have happened if I'd walked away.
# [20:07] <mcsmurf> I wonder if they have shipped a broken update
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# [20:07] <jhammel> nemo: mercy; i had a phone internally melt once but....never anything like that
# [20:07] <jaws> johnath: this is likely the biggest cause for the faster upgrades with Firefox 18, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803181
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# [20:08] <nmatsakis> js2ger: make -C obj-ff-dbg mochitest-plain
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# [20:09] <js2ger> nmatsakis, hrm, try ./mach mochitest-plain
# [20:09] <nmatsakis> js2ger: from which directory?
# [20:09] <js2ger> nmatsakis, src
# [20:09] <nmatsakis> js2ger: ok, thanks.
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# [20:10] <johnath> jaws: yes, very exciting
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# [20:12] <nmatsakis> js2ger: appears to be the same result, though I did see some messages scroll by about starting a server
# [20:12] <js2ger> Strange
# [20:13] <nmatsakis> I will hg qpop -a and try again, maybe this is somehow my fault
# [20:13] <nmatsakis> though I have no idea how that might be :)
# [20:13] * nmatsakis just added some dead code to the JS engine!
# [20:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/145fb616b12a - EKR - Bug 828027 - Lower-case digest algorithm names r=ehugg
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# [20:16] <bz> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20665 is awesome
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# [20:16] * bz hates the websites that make that sort of thing needed
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# [20:17] <js2ger> But hey, at least this time we win ;)
# [20:17] <@smaug> nice bug
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# [20:18] <bz> For some values of Win
# [20:18] <bz> Servo will have to have that too... ;)
# [20:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b72d2af170aa - Gian-Carlo Pascutto - Backout ff82d1a3955e (Bug 830308).
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# [20:21] <mcsmurf> maybe I need to restart for the java plugin to appear, what did Oracle do there..
# [20:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/53dd117b51f2 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 826723 - Don't show suggestions or prompt in private tabs. r=mfinkle
# [20:22] <gfritzsche> mcsmurf: you just updated to the latest java release? and it doesn't show up in about:plugins?
# [20:22] <mcsmurf> gfritzsche: yeah, but I reinstalled the old version and it does not appear either
# [20:22] <mcsmurf> so not sure what's going on
# [20:23] <mcsmurf> maybe a restart will fix..
# [20:23] <mcsmurf> reboot I mean
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# [20:23] <gfritzsche> huh, weird... checking if i see that too
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# [20:24] <curtisk> <complete fork> ive noticed an odd rendering issue with nightly, but I'm not sure what it is to report it properly
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# [20:24] <Optimizer> mcsmurf: about:sessionrestore
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# [20:25] <mcsmurf> :]
# [20:25] <curtisk> the elements on pages like https://www.fitbit.com/zip
# [20:25] <curtisk> don't show up in nightly but work fine on release
# [20:25] <Optimizer> can I do something like this : <Css Selector> { <add another css class to the element> }
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# [20:25] <bz> Optimizer: no, cycles
# [20:26] <Optimizer> ah.
# [20:26] <Optimizer> it would be really awesome though
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# [20:26] <bz> Optimizer: so would perpetual motion.... ;)
# [20:26] <Optimizer> reduce code repetition
# [20:26] <Archaeopteryx> and if he uses :not()
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# [20:26] <bz> Optimizer: :not(.foo) { add class foo }
# [20:26] <bz> Optimizer: how should that work?
# [20:26] <Optimizer> :D
# [20:27] <Optimizer> I give up!
# [20:27] <Optimizer> but isn't that simple ?
# [20:27] <bz> That's what most people who think of selectors procedurally have to do
# [20:27] <Optimizer> all those not having foo class get it
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# [20:27] <bz> but then they no longer match that selector
# [20:27] <bz> so they don't get it
# [20:27] <mcsmurf> curtisk: looks fine on 2012-12-12, broken in today's nightly
# [20:27] <bz> Remember, selectors have to dynamically update whether they match!
# [20:27] <mcsmurf> curtisk: happy regression hunting! :)
# [20:27] <bz> It's a state, not a process
# [20:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/442ebc2c2285 - Patrick McManus - bug 829646 PAC mIPAddress() problem outside of FindProxyForURL() r=biesi a=bajaj
# [20:28] <Optimizer> mcsmurf: wfm
# [20:28] <bz> that's why thinking about them procedurally is doomed
# [20:28] <curtisk> mcsmurf: been broken for about a week, just not sure what/where to file the bug
# [20:28] <mcsmurf> Optimizer: the java thing?
# [20:28] <bz> But on a more serious note...
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# [20:28] <bz> What are you really trying to do?
# [20:28] <Optimizer> mcsmurf: you must have java disabled
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# [20:28] <Optimizer> c2p
# [20:28] <bz> ok, slightly less general than that. ;)
# [20:28] <Optimizer> bz I am trying to give a .toolbarbutton class look to an item when it is not focused
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# [20:29] <mcsmurf> curtisk: I'd go for Core->General or Layout for now, if you have time try to figure out when it broke exactly (which nightly)
# [20:29] <bz> Optimizer: I'm having trouble parsing that. :(
# [20:29] <Optimizer> so now I would just copy paste the code here
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# [20:29] <bz> pastebin
# [20:29] <mcsmurf> curtisk: then it should be rather easy to find out where the bug should go to
# [20:29] <Optimizer> parsing what ?
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# [20:29] <Standard8> gavin: pong
# [20:29] <bz> Optimizer: that statement about "look to an item"
# [20:29] <js2ger> When an item is not focused, he wants it to look as if it has a toolbarbutton class
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# [20:29] <Optimizer> oh, okay
# [20:29] <Waldo> espindola: so apparently __has_extension(...) can evaluate to true when the relevant thing is provided in the being-compiled language but automatically produces a warning; do you know of any macro/whatever that's like __has_extension, but only returns true when using the feature won't generate a warning? see bug 830315
# [20:29] <curtisk> thanks mcsmurf
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# [20:30] <@gavin> Standard8: just wanted to ask about how the google groups mirror for tb-planning was set up
# [20:30] <gfritzsche> mcsmurf: yeah, java seems fine here too after the update
# [20:30] <Standard8> gavin: hmm, think you need to ask dmose that
# [20:30] <mcsmurf> ok, I'll just reboot and hope things will work again
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# [20:30] <@gavin> Standard8: ok
# [20:30] <mcsmurf> (somehow I need Java applets :)
# [20:30] <Standard8> he did the work
# [20:30] <bz> hmm
# [20:31] <bz> is the meeting streaming already?
# [20:31] <bz> here we go
# [20:31] <@gavin> wrong channel!
# [20:31] <bz> nope
# [20:31] <bz> the channel that doesn't need me to find a different client
# [20:32] * bz stops talking about it now that it's happening. ;)
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# [20:33] <hub> bz: maybe your current client is borked then ;-)
# [20:33] <@ehsan> gps: where can I find the FHR logs?
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# [20:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0cc898fd66fc - Robert Strong - Bug 571381 - Require NSIS 2.46 Unicode. r=glandium
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# [20:34] <gps> ehsan: error console
# [20:34] <bz> hub: it does all the things I want _except_ join #moco
# [20:34] <bz> hub: mostly
# [20:34] <@ehsan> gps: that's not useful for detecting what happens during shutdown, is it? :)
# [20:34] <@ehsan> gps: also, have you tried to reproduce this?
# [20:34] <hub> bz: if even xchat can do it...
# [20:34] * hub whistles
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# [20:35] <bz> hub: can xchat run over a non-X ssh connection?
# [20:35] <bz> hub: _that_ feature is key
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> Someone here has strange requirements ;)
# [20:36] <hub> bz: I'm sure there are better clients that can do it
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# [20:36] <jhammel> bz: irssi?
# [20:36] <jhammel> i can't seem to connect either
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# [20:37] <bz> hub: I haven't managed to find a decent one yet
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# [20:37] <bz> jhammel: I've tried it on and off; should try more
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# [20:37] <hub> jhammel, bz: the keyword has changed and you need SSL
# [20:37] <bz> jhammel: need to recall what the failure modes with it were last I tried...
# [20:37] <bz> hub: the point is, my client doesn't do SSL
# [20:37] <jhammel> hub: ah, well i *should* have SSL
# [20:37] <bz> hub: which is not usually a problem. ;)
# [20:38] <jhammel> though i suppose it depends on how ubuntu compiled irssi for me
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# [20:39] <Optimizer> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2059259, but I am sure there is no better solution than copy pasting
# [20:39] <gps> ehsan: apply https://hg.mozilla.org/users/gszorc_mozilla.com/mq-sc/raw-file/361415ad3228/healthreport-console-logging
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# [20:40] <gps> ehsan: you may need to MOZ_PURGE_CACHES since that touches an XPCOM service
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# [20:40] <bz> Optimizer: you can't just add to the relevant selectors?
# [20:40] <@ehsan> gps: ok. what do I need to rebuild?
# [20:41] <espindola> Waldo: not at the top of my head, but if you are ok with using an extension you should be able to disable that warning
# [20:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2c7287304555 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 829679 - Package installation without // on the manifest URL causes webapps.json corruption r=ferjm
# [20:41] <Optimizer> bz: then it would be via JS, right ?
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# [20:41] <Optimizer> I would have to make sure it is done everytime anything is changed
# [20:41] <Waldo> espindola: without doing it via the command line? I tried smacking an __extension__ on it, didn't work
# [20:41] <bz> I must be missing something
# [20:41] <bz> How are you detecting your "shrunk enough" state?
# [20:41] * Waldo would like to avoid the command line if possible, just because that smears the complexity around
# [20:41] <espindola> Waldo: ok, I guess that is a clang bug
# [20:41] <Optimizer> not focus and not empty
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# [20:42] <bz> ok
# [20:42] <StPiere> how can i specify which Python path to use when building with ./mach build ?
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> StPiere, why?
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> gps, ^
# [20:42] <bz> so can you not modify all your selectors that style .toolbarbutton to add this other thing you care about?
# [20:42] <bz> Or is that what you mean by copy/paste?
# [20:42] <@ehsan> gps: nm, rebuilt everything
# [20:42] <StPiere> i have Python 2.6 as primary, but ./mach works only with > 2.7
# [20:42] <Optimizer> The point is that it can be done if I copy the styles of the devtools-toolbarbutton class to that selector
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# [20:43] <Optimizer> but that means a lot of lines of style repetition
# [20:43] <Waldo> espindola: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2059269 just to be sure I'm not doing something stupid
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# [20:43] <Ms2ger> espindola, btw, do you also do gcc stuff?
# [20:44] <bz> why?
# [20:44] <espindola> Ms2ger: I did is the long dark past
# [20:44] <espindola> Waldo: it looks right to me
# [20:44] <bz> Can you not just use ".devtools-toolbarbutton, whatever" ?
# [20:44] <Waldo> okay
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# [20:44] <espindola> Waldo: maybe __extension__(...)?
# [20:44] * Waldo tries
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> espindola, alright, won't bother you, then :)
# [20:44] <espindola> but I think that is just for expressions
# [20:45] <espindola> s/is/in/
# [20:45] <Optimizer> bz: I do not want to apply style to that class, I want to apply that class's styles to a specific selector
# [20:45] <Waldo> __extension__(override) errors too
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# [20:45] <espindola> Waldo: would you mind opening a bug in llvm.org/bugs?
# [20:45] <Waldo> espindola: sure, can do
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# [20:45] <espindola> thanks
# [20:46] * Waldo wants to avoid commandline tweaking because it makes it harder for non-Mozilla-build-process stuff to use mfbt
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# [20:46] <bz> Optimizer: I think we're talking past each other
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# [20:46] <bz> Optimizer: right now your stylesheets have ".devtools-toolbarbutton { /* some styles */ }"
# [20:46] <bz> Optimizer: yes?
# [20:46] <Optimizer> yes
# [20:47] <bz> ok, can you make those stylesheets say ".devtools-toolbarbutton, :empty:focus:whatever { /* some styles */ }"
# [20:47] <bz> ?
# [20:47] <Optimizer> no
# [20:47] <bz> ok
# [20:47] <bz> why not?
# [20:47] <Optimizer> because they are used everywhere else
# [20:48] <bz> ok, so?
# [20:48] <Optimizer> and this selector is a one element specific
# [20:48] <Ms2ger> bz, this may help: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=.devtools-toolbarbutton
# [20:48] <bz> ok, does this element have an ID?
# [20:48] <Optimizer> yes
# [20:48] <bz> And can you just include that ID in the selector?
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# [20:48] <Optimizer> so ?
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# [20:48] * bz really feels like he's missing something
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> bz, there's a lot of spread-out rules for .devtools-toolbarbutton
# [20:49] <bz> So you'd have selectors like ".devtools-toolbarbutton, #my-id:whatever { /* rules */ }"
# [20:49] <bz> Ms2ger: yes, I understand that
# [20:49] <Optimizer> bz: that id does not have the class .devtools-toolbarbutton
# [20:49] <@ehsan> gps: oh look, seems like I found a shutdown hang now, with the nested event loop :(
# [20:49] <bz> Is the point that we don't want to have to leak knowledge of this id/element to all those places?
# [20:49] <bz> Optimizer: so what?
# [20:49] <@ehsan> gps: I'll file that separately
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# [20:50] <Optimizer> oh
# [20:50] <Optimizer> I see what you are saying now
# [20:50] <bz> I'm not saying it's awesome to do this.
# [20:50] <Optimizer> didn't think of that ..
# [20:50] <bz> I'm asking whether it's an option.
# [20:50] <bz> And if so whether it's less bad than the other options
# [20:50] <Optimizer> yes, true
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# [20:51] * Waldo supposes he should probably try a newer clang before filing this, just to be sure it hasn't been fixed
# [20:51] <Optimizer> thanks bz :)
# [20:51] <Optimizer> its certainly better than what I was thinking
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# [20:52] <bz> OK, good.
# [20:52] <bz> What would really help here is some concept of "apply these other styles too"
# [20:52] <bz> Or something
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# [20:52] <bz> there have been some vague proposals that haven't gone anywhere yet
# [20:52] <Ms2ger> bz, sounds like something I've heard suggested on www-style :)
# [20:52] <jhammel> yeah :/
# [20:52] <jhammel> and 2 million JS libraries that all do it differently
# [20:52] <bz> Ms2ger: verily
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# [20:53] <jhammel> edmorley: oh, we should add verily to our list of words too
# [20:53] <jhammel> that's a goodun
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# [20:53] <Ms2ger> jhammel, I'll add verily whilst you review my patch
# [20:53] <Optimizer> vereally ?
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# [20:54] <jhammel> Ms2ger: reviewing now, fwiw
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# [20:55] <edmorley> jhammel: hehe :-)
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# [20:57] <@ehsan> espindola: can you please CC me on that CRASH_UNLESS bug?
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# [20:57] <espindola> ehsan: sure
# [20:58] <espindola> I wanted to use it in the "old" late write detection system, so that is was I have not been ping for it
# [20:59] <espindola> ehsan: doen
# [20:59] <espindola> done
# [20:59] <@ehsan> ty
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# [21:00] <mkaply> Is Sync down?
# [21:01] <bhearsum> might want to ask that in #it or #services
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# [21:01] <bhearsum> i had a sync error earlier though, fwiw
# [21:02] <mkaply> bhearsum: Yeah, I'm getting an unknown error on multople machines. Site says it is up though - https://services.mozilla.com/status/
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# [21:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bceda048221b - Raymond Lee - Bug 826964 - Attempt to fix the intermittent orange by focusing the current browser; r=ehsan
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# [21:05] <edmorley> philor: I've done a &regenerate=1 on that trobopan nsDeleteDir::PostTimer so bugscache has the bug now
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# [21:07] <philor> having no memory is fun, you get to have nice surprises over and over and over
# [21:07] <edmorley> philor: I bookmark https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getLogExcerpt.php?type=annotated&regenerate=1&;id= and then substitute in the log id from a run whose bzapi search needs to be updated
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# [21:11] <gps> StPiere: just run |/path/to/python-2.7 mach|
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# [21:12] <jhammel> gps: um, /path/to/python-2.7 `which mach` ?
# [21:12] <jhammel> er, somethin ;)
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# [21:15] <Archaeopteryx> mcsmurf: what are you trying to do? had a user today who lacked the registry string on windows 7 for 7.0 u11
# [21:15] <mcsmurf> :O
# [21:15] <mcsmurf> yes, looks like I have the same problem
# [21:15] <mcsmurf> it just cannot find the Java plugin anymore after the update
# [21:16] <mcsmurf> but even restoring u10 did not help for me
# [21:16] <mcsmurf> not sure what's up..
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# [21:16] <mcsmurf> Archaeopteryx: this one NS_LITERAL_STRING("Software\\JavaSoft\\Java Runtime Environment"), ?
# [21:16] <mcsmurf> I only have/had Software\JavaSoft\prefs, but no Java Runtime Environment
# [21:17] <mcsmurf> let's talk in #mozilla.de :)
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# [21:23] <StPiere> gps, thanks .... but now i have problem with autoconf ... http://pastebin.com/sBNXgy77
# [21:24] <jhammel> i've had a problem with autoconf for years ;)
# [21:24] <StPiere> i have 2 versions of autoconf 2.63 and 2.13 ... how to specify path to 2.13 ?
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# [21:25] <gps> StPiere: I suggest you follow the directions at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Firefox_build
# [21:26] <gps> you may also want to join #introduction. people there tend to help with first-time builds more
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# [21:26] <Waldo> espindola: filed http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=14953 and repro'd it with r172455 (near-tip)
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# [21:28] <glandium> Waldo: is that related to 830315?
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# [21:28] <@ehsan> gps: is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830145#c9 a question from me?
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# [21:29] <Waldo> glandium: yeah
# [21:29] <Waldo> glandium: I'll + you shortly
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# [21:30] <gps> ehsan: general question to anybody. if you could provide an answer, that would be very helpful
# [21:30] <gps> ehsan: you want to take this to #fhr?
# [21:30] <@ehsan> ok
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# [21:31] <Waldo> glandium: done
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# [21:33] <glandium> Waldo: thanks
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# [21:35] <mcsmurf> btw: My Java problem was probably http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=8005410 when you have javaFX installed
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# [21:35] <mcsmurf> and after that install Java7 U10 or newer, the JRE fails to register itself in Windows registry
# [21:36] <mcsmurf> and then Mozilla apps wont find the JRE
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# [21:36] <mcsmurf> well done
# [21:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae1eb238652b - Filippo Cristofoletti - Bug 817387 - Remove last occurences of NS_OVERRIDE; r=ehsan
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# [21:37] <@ehsan> bbondy: ping
# [21:38] <gfritzsche> mcsmurf: ouch... at least good to know it was reported and fixed
# [21:41] <bbondy> ehsan: hi
# [21:41] <bbondy> I'm in meetings all day at the metro work week btw, but will try to review your patch later today
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# [21:42] <bbondy> ehsan: I also noticed my stub installer isn't building using the same command that used to build it
# [21:42] <jlebar> glandium: ping?
# [21:42] <bbondy> so I'll let you know about that too
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# [21:45] <bbondy> is that what you wanted?
# [21:45] <bbondy> ehsan^
# [21:45] <@ehsan> bbondy: yeah I was just wondering if you managed to give this a test
# [21:46] <@ehsan> my opt windows builds are failing for some reason
# [21:46] <@ehsan> I don't have enough time today to figure out why :/
# [21:46] <@ehsan> could be because I'm using vs2012 :/
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# [21:46] <jimb> glandium: ping
# [21:46] <bbondy> np I haven't tried yet but soon. btw how do I get it to download https from the stub? Or will it automatically?
# [21:46] <glandium> jimb: pong
# [21:47] <jimb> glandium: Any thoughts on bug 797627?
# [21:47] <@ehsan> bbondy: I'll file a bug about that build failure and CC you on it
# [21:47] <bbondy> ehsan: thx
# [21:47] <jimb> glandium: I feel nervous going forward on that without having your critical eye. :D
# [21:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb0dbf0686ae - Sean Stangl - Bug 826581 - Follow-up fix. r=dvander
# [21:47] <bbondy> ehsan: fwiw I'm using vs2012 8.0 sdk and my m-c build succeeded earlier today
# [21:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/259e1ea87b3e - Justin Lebar - Bug 821502 - Disable -fstrict-aliasing in JS for GCC 4.4 and earlier on Linux and Android. r=glandium,terrence; a=bajaj
# [21:48] <jlebar> joe: What would you think if I landed bug 824658 without first asking khuey|away?
# [21:48] <glandium> jimb: i need to digest it and the comments, i'll come back to you tomorrow
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# [21:48] <jimb> glandium: Thanks - I really appreciate it!
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# [21:49] <jlebar> glandium: Got a sec?
# [21:49] <@ehsan> bbondy: hmm, do I need to do anything specific to get that sdk?
# [21:49] <bbondy> just installing VS should be enough I think
# [21:49] <@ehsan> bbondy: see bug 830472
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# [21:50] <bbondy> You only need to download the win8 SDK if you want to use it with previous vc compilers
# [21:50] <@ehsan> that I have done!
# [21:50] <glandium> jlebar: sure
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# [21:50] <bbondy> ehsan: maybe you need to update it
# [21:50] * @ehsan wonders whether --enable-dmd could be the cause
# [21:50] <@ehsan> bbondy: update what?
# [21:50] <jlebar> glandium: Debian may need to respin its FF18 build with bug 821502 backported.
# [21:50] <bbondy> VS
# [21:50] <jlebar> glandium: I was hoping you'd know the right channels to poke.
# [21:50] <bbondy> VS2012 update 1
# [21:51] <bbondy> http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/visual-studio-update
# [21:51] <@ehsan> ok
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# [21:51] <@ehsan> bbondy: I am rebuilding without --enable-dmd for now
# [21:51] <jlebar> glandium: the Ubuntu folks are already on it. I'm figuring out what other distros I need to contact now.
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# [21:51] <@ehsan> will try upgrading VS if that doesn't help
# [21:51] <bbondy> ya I don't build with that so that's probably it
# [21:52] <joe> jlebar: do it
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# [21:52] <jlebar> joe: Fantastic; thanks.
# [21:52] <glandium> jlebar: for debian, that's just me :)
# [21:52] <jlebar> glandium: Perfect, then. :)
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# [21:53] <froydnj> argh, bogus browser.js line numbers
# [21:53] <glandium> jlebar: for other distros, you have wolfiR for suse, stransky for rh/fedora, and anarchy for gentoo ; i guess gentoo doesn't have the problem
# [21:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6dd3011d4d1b - Jan de Mooij - Bug 829554 follow-up - Rename TaggedFramePtr to AbstractFramePtr, fix some GCC warnings. r=luke
# [21:53] <jlebar> glandium: Does gentoo no longer support gcc 4.4? I presumed you could pick your own compiler?
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# [21:54] <glandium> jlebar: i guess you can, but who uses gentoo to use n-3 versions ?
# [21:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cb8fa413605f - Jonathan Kew - bug 814434 - pref off hidpi support for multi-display configurations. r=smichaud a=akeybl
# [21:55] <jlebar> glandium: I'm not going to presuppose I know why /anyone/ uses Gentoo. :)
# [21:55] <jlebar> glandium: Thanks for the list; I'll send mail to dev.platform and cc the package maintainers.
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# [21:56] <glandium> jlebar: you can also cc the dev-platforms-linux list
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# [21:56] <jlebar> glandium: Okay, will do. Any other lists I should notify?
# [21:57] <glandium> jlebar: that's a list where most distro people should be reading, although it's not used
# [21:57] <jlebar> heh, okay.
# [21:57] <jlebar> bajaj: Should I ask for approval-release for my patch -- is that the right procedure if I want it as a ride-along?
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# [21:58] <glandium> jlebar: mmmm wait. maybe that list was removed i don't remember
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# [21:58] <bajaj> jlebar: yes, thats correct..
# [21:58] <jlebar> bajaj: okay, will do.
# [21:58] <bajaj> jlebar: thanks
# [21:58] <glandium> jlebar: ah, mozilla-linux-taskforce@kuix.de
# [21:58] <jlebar> ?!
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# [21:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c57d89777a51 - Chris AtLee - Bug 830371: Put the kernel in the right place. r=nthomas DONTBUILD
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# [22:01] <jlebar> glandium: okay, cool.
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# [22:02] <gaston> glandium: and how does one register on that list?
# [22:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/66c886b7d927 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 827715; correct fling friction implmentation. r=cjones; a=blocking-basecamp
# [22:03] <espindola> bsmedberg: ping
# [22:03] <@bsmedberg> espindola: mtg, send email?
# [22:03] <espindola> ok
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# [22:04] <fabrice> also from b2g18...
# [22:04] <Ms2ger> Hey man, you can do it ;)
# [22:04] <we11ington> Are there any high-level overviews of the architecture of the browser? How it's put together, etc.? I'm working on gestures for Mac and it'd help with tracing the gesture events from the OS and beyond
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# [22:06] <philor> though I'm pretty sure I'm further than that from a b2g18 tree
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# [22:11] <glandium> gaston: https://kuix.de/mailman/listinfo/mozilla-linux-taskforce
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# [22:12] <Ms2ger> <jgraham> https://www.frederik-braun.com/thesis/ (via miketaylr)
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> <jgraham> Also, it looks like crap in pdf.js, if someone wants to report that
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> if someone wants to report that
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# [22:17] <jlebar> Is ESR10 still supported, or has it been completely superceded by ESR17?
# [22:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/315a22f0d185 - Joe Drew - Bug 829710 - Restore hardware-accleration check for 10.6.x, x <= 2, mistakenly removed in bug 598401. r=BenWa a=akeybl
# [22:18] <@dolske> still supported until... a date I forget.
# [22:18] <@dolske> Febish? http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
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# [22:21] <firebot> Check-in:
# [22:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5d74fbda87e0 - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 830018 - Intermittent browser_profiler_controller.js, test_profiler_actor.js | application crashed [@AddSharedLibraryInfoToStream]. r=vladan
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# [22:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/80b36fe6cf0c - Landry Breuil - Bug 830303 - Fix plugin-container LD_LIBRARY_PATH on BSD (regression from 753046) r=cjones
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# [22:48] <jlebar> bz: offhand, can you think of anything simple that we could preload into the b2g preallocated process other than JSMs and XPCOM services?
# [22:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5d6684011028 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 820491 - Part 3: Whitespace cleanup in aboutDownloads.js. r=wesj
# [22:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/27c858f88513 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 820491 - Part 2: Fix DownloadManagerUI component. r=wesj
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# [22:48] <jlebar> bz: Loading about:blank seems like a good idea, but also seems too complicated for b2g v1.
# [22:48] <mak> IS someone looking into the current OTH orange in inbound?
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# [22:49] <philor> mak: yeah, you're backing out 2c7287304555 and 66c886b7d927 from inbound and b2g18, thanks for volunteering
# [22:49] <mak> also bustage on windows
# [22:49] <mak> I don't have b2g18 repo here
# [22:49] <mak> but I can backout from inbound
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# [22:50] <seth> dholbert: ping
# [22:50] <dholbert> seth, pong
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# [22:51] <seth> dholbert: so, trying to fix 772443
# [22:51] <seth> dholbert: i have all the infrastructure in place but waiting for onload on the embedded SVG document doesn't seem to be good enough
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# [22:51] <seth> dholbert: i noticed in one of the linked bugs you mentioned "SVGLoad", but i'm not sure how to wait for that...
# [22:51] <dholbert> seth, strange
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# [22:52] <dholbert> seth, I'm not sure how either, in C++, but onload should be sufficient
# [22:52] <seth> dholbert: to be clear, specifically i'm waiting on EndLoad on the embedded document using an nsIDocumentObserver
# [22:52] <seth> dholbert: i'm not 100% sure that that's equivalent to onload
# [22:53] <dholbert> seth, hmm, I'm not sure either, but bz would know
# [22:53] <dholbert> bz, (do you know how one would listen for 'onload' for a given document, in C++?)
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# [22:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d94202f46627 - Marco Bonardo - Backout 66c886b7d927 (bug 827715),2c7287304555 (bug 829679) for bustage
# [22:54] <mak> philor: since OTH are giving up after timeouts, should we close the tree until we get a green oth? (not sure about current rules)
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# [22:55] <dholbert> gps, is about:healthreport supposed to be invalid? (We have a menu entry that takes me there, but "The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded")
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# [22:56] <philor> mak: same as the old rules: whatever the person with the badge feels comfortable with
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# [22:56] <mak> I don't have a badge, and actually I'm not sure I can access treestatus... let me try
# [22:57] <mak> ok, I can't :)
# [22:57] <gps> dholbert: there was a bug on the menu being there when it shouldn't be. I thought that got patched in m-c
# [22:57] <dholbert> seth, this patch probably wants to go on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704059 though, FWIW
# [22:57] <gps> mconnor: ^
# [22:57] <philor> mak: shift+reload?
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# [22:57] <mak> philor: it tells me "no permissions"
# [22:57] <Mossop> gps: Is FHR meant to be on by default?
# [22:58] <mak> philor: I guess it's cause it uses Persona and I don't have the bugmail registered into that persona?
# [22:58] <dholbert> gps, in nightly (w/ fresh profile) I see Help | Nightly Health Report, which takes me to about:healthreport, which says "The address isn't valid"
# [22:58] <dholbert> gps, (this is most recent nightly, w/ 20130114 in ua string)
# [22:58] <seth> dholbert: well basically that has happened already; the terminology is just pretty ugly. but AFAICT OnStopRequest == "finished receiving data" and OnStopDecode == "image loaded"
# [22:58] <philor> mak: mak@moz.com? that browserid ought to give you perms, though either the app or browserid is acting a little odd today
# [22:58] <gps> Mossop: FHR is enabled by default. we should arguably disable it in debug (read: local) builds
# [22:58] <nbp> Can anybody tell me how to do a white list of mochitest-1, in order to bisect needed test cases to help investigation of a bug?
# [22:59] <mak> philor: I tried with mbonardo... should I try with the mak alias?
# [22:59] <gps> or should not enable unless it is an official build
# [22:59] <seth> dholbert: admittedly VectorImage doesn't take advantage of this, so i can see this patch as specifically fixing this for VectorImage
# [22:59] <gps> dholbert: please file a bug and we'll sort it out
# [22:59] <dholbert> seth, ah -- maybe we should morph that bug into "...for VectorImage"
# [22:59] <mak> philor: ah cool, the alias works
# [22:59] <Mossop> gps: Ok because going to the page tells me that I am not currently submitting data
# [22:59] <seth> yup
# [22:59] <dholbert> seth, there are several bugs that this should fix
# [22:59] <dholbert> several intermittent-oranges, I mean
# [23:00] <gps> Mossop: about:healthreport is currently broken (bug 829953). the pref pane should be good
# [23:00] <dholbert> seth, so it'd be great to have the work be done on a relatively-TBPLbot-spam-free bug :)
# [23:00] <dholbert> seth, feel free to morph that one, or file a new one; I'm happy either way
# [23:00] <seth> dholbert: yeah, i figured. they're real bugs too (not an artifact of the test harness); viewing the test case in 772443 in firefox, i can cause the SVG to not display at all some of the time if i hit reload over and over!
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# [23:01] <dholbert> seth, agreed @ real bugs
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# [23:01] <seth> dholbert: sure, sounds good. 704059 is as good as any. i'll hopefully have a patch to post there shortly if i can figure out the right event to wait for
# [23:01] <Mossop> gps: Ah ok
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# [23:02] <mconnor> dholbert: the menuitem shouldn't be shown if you're not building the health report itself
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# [23:03] <dholbert> mconnor, I'm just running a nightly build, w/ fresh profile, and it's there
# [23:03] <mconnor> dholbert: if you're on Linux, and I bet you are, that menuitem is bogus
# [23:03] <dholbert> I am
# [23:03] <dholbert> mconnor, should I still file a bug?
# [23:03] <mconnor> dholbert: 830418
# [23:04] <mconnor> fixed, patched, will land before tomorrow
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# [23:04] <dholbert> mconnor, cool, thanks
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# [23:05] <dholbert> seth, see https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/svg/content/src/SVGSVGElement.cpp#878 where we listen for SVGLoad aka SVG_LOAD
# [23:05] <dholbert> seth, (that probably doesn't help you much, but it's one data point)
# [23:06] <bjacob> jlebar: ping
# [23:06] <jlebar> bjacob: ack, but I may need to run off to a meeting imminently.
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# [23:06] <dholbert> seth, IIRC SVGLoad and "load" are roughly equivalent for SVG documents... I don't think there's an important distinction, if the document is SVG
# [23:06] <bjacob> jlebar: ok, nvm
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# [23:06] <dholbert> seth, (though there is a distinction if you've got e.g. SVG embedded in a larger XHTML document)
# [23:06] <jlebar> bjacob: I'll get back to you if you send e-mail?
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# [23:07] <dholbert> seth, SVG animation is specced to have its timeline start at SVGLoad-time, so if possible, it's probably nice to have that be the event we key off of for "image ready to paint", too
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# [23:08] <bjacob> jlebar: nvm i think i can get going. my question fwiw was can i programatically dump about memory
# [23:08] <mak> cjones: could you please backout the last 2 changesets from b2g18 since they both fail also in inbound (I don't have the repo at hand)
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# [23:08] <bjacob> from gecko code
# [23:08] <jlebar> bjacob: Oh, yes.
# [23:08] <jlebar> bjacob: On what platform?
# [23:08] <bjacob> b2g
# [23:08] <jlebar> bjacob: Checkout the B2G repository, then tools/get_about_memory.py.
# [23:09] <bjacob> jlebar: ok thanks
# [23:09] <seth> dholbert: yeah, i agree, that definitely sounds preferable
# [23:09] <jlebar> bjacob: sure thing. This meeting may not be happening, so let me know if you have questions. :)
# [23:10] <bjacob> jlebar: so i have to signal(SIGRT0) ?
# [23:10] <jlebar> bjacob: Well...if you're external to Gecko, that's one way to do it.
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# [23:11] <jlebar> bjacob: I just landed support for writing into a fifo; that may not be on mc yet.
# [23:11] <jlebar> bjacob: If you're in Gecko, obviously you don't need to do that.
# [23:11] <bjacob> im on b2g18
# [23:11] <jlebar> bjacob: Okay, the fifo isn't on b2g18.
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# [23:11] <jlebar> bjacob: what are you trying to accomplish?
# [23:11] <cjones> mak, ugh
# [23:11] <bjacob> jlebar: get a dump at a specific time that I know somewhere in gecko
# [23:11] <bjacob> (basically, very late just before OOM)
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# [23:12] <jlebar> bjacob: Oh, I see. Then let me see...
# [23:12] <jlebar> bjacob: nsIMemoryInfoDumper::dumpMemoryReportsToFile.
# [23:13] <jlebar> bjacob: sorry, I originally misunderstood "programatically".
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# [23:13] <bjacob> jlebar: thanks!
# [23:13] <jlebar> bjacob: sure thing!
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# [23:19] <reuben> whoa, if I open the error console Firefox grinds to a halt
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# [23:19] <bjacob> jlebar: what if i'm in the browser process?
# [23:19] <reuben> most of the time spent inside layout::DoReflow (chrome://global/content/console.xul)
# [23:20] <bjacob> reuben: sounds like 825622
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# [23:21] <dholbert> reuben, I hit that this morning, too
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# [23:21] <njn> ehsan: I can take bug 563195 if you like
# [23:21] <jlebar> bjacob: sorry, mtg. Will get back to you.
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# [23:22] <@ehsan> njn: that would be amazing :)
# [23:22] <njn> ehsan: OK!
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# [23:23] <@ehsan> njn: I'm sure joe will be happy as well!
# [23:23] <njn> ehsan: it's quite possible that JS headers imported by Gecko will cause problems. We'll see.
# [23:23] <@ehsan> ah yeah probably
# [23:24] <@ehsan> although we hopefully don't shadow as many names in those headers
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# [23:24] <njn> ehsan: you are an optimist
# [23:24] <@ehsan> heh
# [23:24] <@ehsan> not usually!
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# [23:27] <jwir3> anyone have an idea of why, on the same document, with the same input (x,y) point, and the same input root frame, nsLayoutUtils::GetFrameForPoint() might return a different frame? (Specifically, the first time I call the function, it returns what I would expect to be the "correct" frame for a given point, but subsequent calls return incorrect ones)? I think I might be doing it wrong...
# [23:28] <reuben> bjacob, looks similar, but my profile doesn't show TrimTrailingWhiteSpace at all. I see nsTextBoxFrame::CalculateTitleForWidth and nsFontMetrics::GetInkBoundsForVisualOverflow taking a lot of time
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# [23:28] <bjacob> reuben: note that i had to patch gecko to get this profile. look at earlier comments to see the profile i got with unpatched gecko
# [23:28] <bjacob> reuben: you can also apply my patch, see bgu
# [23:29] <Mavericks> jwir3: pastebin ?
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# [23:29] <jwir3> Mavericks: Yeah, it's complicated, so just a second. ;)
# [23:30] <jwir3> basically, what I'm trying to do is, on mobile, when a pinch gesture is ongoing, I want to get the frame for a point at the "center" of the pinch gesture. (I know it will be slow, I'm just trying to check my assumptions here)
# [23:30] <mayhemer> can I land a tiny and safe patch on b2g18 now? there is a backout pending to resolve perma orange
# [23:30] <reuben> bjacob, I'm on OS X, btw
# [23:31] <jwir3> in mobile/android/chrome/content/browser.js, the code I've written to get the "caret position" (i.e. the node/offset for a point) is here: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2059165
# [23:31] <jorendorff> Hey -- Who knows about Arabic font support?
# [23:31] <bjacob> reuben: oh ok, i was talking about b2g
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# [23:31] <jcranmer> Jesse: ping
# [23:31] <fabrice> mayhemer: ask for approval
# [23:31] <bjacob> reuben: so on osx you get good profiles without patching gecko
# [23:31] <bjacob> not so on b2g
# [23:31] <reuben> yes, no stack walking there right
# [23:31] <mayhemer> fabrice: the patch has a+
# [23:31] <jorendorff> really Arabic text formatting support
# [23:31] <jwir3> The output I get from this, along with a series of debugging statements inside of nsDocument::CaretPositionFromPoint(), is here: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2059579
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# [23:32] <fabrice> mayhemer: so land it!
# [23:32] <mayhemer> fabrice: ok, I will land over 51 unstared ;)
# [23:32] <jwir3> Initially, as can be seen on lines 6-16 of that second pastebin, it returns what I would consider to be the "expected" node and offsety.
# [23:32] <jwir3> But, after that, with the same input, it outputs a nonsensical one.
# [23:33] <jwir3> And, it appears, from my debugging, that GetFrameForPoint() is returning a different frame, even though the inputs to the function are the same.
# [23:33] <we11ington> Is there a more technical term than "regular" to describe non-synthetic documents?
# [23:33] <Jesse> jcranmer: pong
# [23:33] <jcranmer> Jesse: have you heard about "ubsan"?
# [23:33] <jwir3> we11ington: hand-crafted?
# [23:33] <Jesse> jcranmer: yes
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# [23:34] <jcranmer> Jesse: ubsan may be capable of checking the static_cast problem you mentioned for virtual classes
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# [23:34] <we11ington> jwir3: Is that what's usually used in code / internally?
# [23:34] <reuben> bjacob, should I file this under layout :: text or graphics :: text?
# [23:34] <jwir3> we11ington: I don't know, it just seems a bit more techincal to me
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# [23:35] <jwir3> technical
# [23:35] <Jesse> jcranmer: yeah, decoder pointed out that -fsanitize=vptr does pretty much what i want (it checks at use time, not cast time)
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# [23:35] <jcranmer> I think I would still prefer to see it at cast time
# [23:35] <jcranmer> maybe I can drop a bug for checking it at static_cast
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# [23:35] <jcranmer> [you get better error messages and coverage that way]
# [23:35] <Jesse> yeah
# [23:35] <bjacob> reuben: layout
# [23:36] <Jesse> jcranmer: is it undefined behavior at cast time?
# [23:36] <njn> has anyone seen this when they |hg update|?
# [23:36] <njn> abort: path contains illegal component: /signaling/include/CC_Call.h
# [23:36] <jcranmer> gimme a sec, I need to grab C++11
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# [23:38] <jcranmer> Jesse: looks like the result of static_cast is undefined if the dynamic type isn't correct
# [23:38] <jib> Hi everyone, quick general question: Are we avoiding ostringstream in the platform code?
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# [23:39] <Jesse> jcranmer: "the result is undefined" isn't quite "undefined behavior", right?
# [23:39] <jcranmer> using the result would make it undefined behavior
# [23:40] <Jesse> dereferencing it, or even just peeking at it?
# [23:40] <reuben> bjacob, filed bug 830518
# [23:40] <reuben> thanks!
# [23:40] <jorendorff> I think the gist is "don't go there"
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# [23:40] <seth> dholbert: fabulous news; looks like switching from onload to SVGLoad did it. things appear to work 100% now! will have a patch up shortly. thanks for your help with this!
# [23:41] <dholbert> seth, that's awesome! Also: I just filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830519 , which your patches may or may not already address
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# [23:41] <dholbert> ah, you already commented :)
# [23:42] <dholbert> perfect
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# [23:42] <dholbert> I'll dupe that then
# [23:42] <seth> dholbert: hehe, yup! =)
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# [23:46] <jcranmer> Jesse: they distinguish between saying "the result is undefined" versus "the result is unspecified", and as far as I can read any legal requirements in the spec, computing a result that is undefined is itself undefined behavior
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# [23:47] <Jesse> jcranmer: ok. that's good news, in that the new check could be part of ubsan :)
# [23:48] <jcranmer> I'm reading up what ubsan is doing in particular
# [23:48] <Jesse> jcranmer: btw, decoder said he had trouble getting firefox to build with RTTI last time he tried
# [23:48] <jcranmer> this doesn't appear to need RTTI to work properly
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# [23:49] <Jesse> oh?
# [23:49] <jcranmer> it basically says
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# [23:49] <decoder> jcranmer: ubsan needs rtti for the vptr check
# [23:50] <decoder> the docs say that at least
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# [23:51] <jcranmer> looks like it
# [23:52] <jcranmer> I was looking at the cg code, not the ubsan library
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# [23:53] <jlebar|mtg> bjacob: still there?
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# [23:54] <jlebar> bjacob: If you're in the browser process and you just want a dump of the browser process's memory, then just call the function like normal.
# [23:54] <bjacob> jlebar: yes
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# [23:54] <bjacob> jlebar: the goodies dont seem to be in b2g18
# [23:54] <jlebar> bjacob: let me check out the branch and see.
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# [23:55] <jlebar> bjacob: Oh, the XPCOM interface isn't there, but there's a static interface...
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# [23:55] <jlebar> bjacob: MemoryInfoDumper::*
# [23:56] <bjacob> jlebar: what #include?
# [23:56] <jlebar> bjacob: Looks like I don't have a child --> parent memory-report request function.
# [23:56] <jlebar> bjacob: It would not be hard to add.
# [23:56] <jlebar> bjacob: xpcom/base/MemoryInfoDumperlh.
# [23:56] <jlebar> erm, MemoryInfoDumper.h
# [23:56] <decoder> jcranmer: ill try a build now and see what the actual problem was that I was hitting
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# [23:56] <bjacob> jlebar: oh, i was looking for a ns prefix
# [23:56] <decoder> and hopefully we can get it solved then
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# [23:57] <jlebar> bjacob: I need to get dinner in a sec; is this enough to go on for you?
# [23:57] <jcranmer> decoder: I think the ubsan people wouldn't like us trying to get this feature without rtti
# [23:57] <bjacob> jlebar: yes, thanks! you are allowed to enjoy dinner
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# [23:57] <jlebar> bjacob: Thank you. :)
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