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# [00:20] <mjrosenb> uh-oh: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.6/include/unwind.h:44:45: error: unknown machine mode '__unwind_word__'
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# [00:22] <stefanh> BenWa: or rather 2012-09-28
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# [00:26] * njn wonders why the builtin pdf.js isn't being used to open PDFs on either of his machines
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# [00:38] <IanN> njn: from a browser window?
# [00:39] <njn> IanN: yep
# [00:39] <njn> on Mac and Linux
# [00:39] <njn> just clikcing on PDF links
# [00:39] <nemo> hm. is it just me, or does flash youtube inhibit my screensaver, but html5 youtube does not
# [00:39] <IanN> njn: does it work from Open File (Ctrl+O)?
# [00:39] <nemo> I assume that's firefox' fault
# [00:40] <njn> IanN: Open File works
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# [00:41] <IanN> njn: does it work from websites?
# [00:41] <njn> IanN: actually, a test I just di worked... but it doesn't work from gmail
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# [00:41] <IanN> njn: ah, maybe how google is advertising the file then?
# [00:42] <njn> doesn't work when clicking the "download" link for a gmail attachment. I guess that's gmail's fault, it's probably munging the link somehow?
# [00:44] <njn> actually, a normal link in a web page works on Linux, but not on Mac
# [00:44] <njn> v19Beta
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# [00:44] <njn> "Open File" also doesn't use pdf.js on Mac
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# [00:54] <IanN> i guess you need to log a number of bugs on those issues
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# [00:55] <derf> nemo: Bug 517870 and bug 486276.
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# [01:08] <nemo> derf: gracias
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# [01:09] <njn> is sdwilsh still the best person for storage reviews?
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# [01:13] <Callek> njn: per https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/All#storage he still owns it, and asuth is a peer
# [01:13] <Callek> njn: so he is a good first stab
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# [01:31] <NeilAway> njn: I'm not sure it gets used if the server specifies content-disposition: attachment
# [01:33] <@dolske> njn: you're probably better off flagging mak
# [01:34] <@dolske> (and if not him, asuth)
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# [01:50] <JosiahOne> !seen spohl
# [01:50] <firebot> spohl was last seen 26 hours, 42 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying 'smaug: thank you! this was very helpful' in #developers.
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# [01:50] <JosiahOne> Anybody you can run a try build for me?
# [01:50] <JosiahOne> who*
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# [01:58] <njn> dolske: I asked mak
# [01:59] <njn> nobody has landed a patch on inbound for 8.5 hours?
# [01:59] <njn> time to remedy that
# [02:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ffefc46a8bd - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 394311 - Stop building with -pedantic. r=ted,dbaron.
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# [02:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4919e8091542 - L. David Baron - Bug 823989: Don't build testpilot on aurora update channel, a=akeybl DONTBUILD
# [02:20] <Matti> njn: bug 773942 for the pdf viewer and content-disposition:attachment
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# [02:21] <njn> Matti: thanks! that probably explains the gmail-on-Linux problem, but it doesn't explain the doesn't-work-at-all-on-Mac problem
# [02:22] <Matti> a content-disposition:attachment should always trigger a file save as window
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# [02:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3d58243e4cd6 - Chris Pearce - Bug 823646 - Handle dynamic format changes and video frame display apperature attributes in WMFReader. r=padenot
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# [03:58] <Mossop> dolske: Don't do it, save yourself!
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# [04:03] <@dolske> too late, I'm already in frameloader
# [04:04] <Unfocused> we should burn the body, in case it's contagious
# [04:05] <JonathanS> nuke it from orbit
# [04:05] <nemo> grrah. keep forgetting the function to print the js stack debug :(
# [04:05] <nemo> I need to write that stupid thing down
# [04:06] <@dolske> CallDumpJSStack, no?
# [04:06] <@dolske> also: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/.gdbinit
# [04:06] <nemo> DumpJSStack
# [04:06] <nemo> yes
# [04:06] <nemo> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Debugging_Mozilla_with_gdb
# [04:06] <nemo> googleftw
# [04:06] <nemo> but thanks :)
# [04:06] <@dolske> "js"
# [04:09] <nemo> yep. same url as the other 4 lockups
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# [04:09] <nemo> oh, what the hell, let's blacklist crowdscience.com
# [04:09] <nemo> I'm sure it is just some stupid tracking site anyway
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# [04:24] <nemo> theeere we go
# [04:24] <nemo> I don't know why I didn't do this last week :)
# [04:24] <nemo> I guess some silly optimism that firefox would stop locking up :-p
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# [04:28] <nemo> but. yeah. I suggest setting static.crowdscience.com to 255.255.255.255 in your host files if you routinely use nightly firefox :)
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# [04:29] <@dolske> better to file a bug and fix whatever it is.
# [04:30] <@dolske> kinda hard to ask hundreds of millions of Firefox users to do that it, if it's a bug that makes it to Release.
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# [04:32] <nemo> dolske: I did file a bug :-p
# [04:32] <nemo> dolske: as for fixing. no freakin' clue
# [04:32] <nemo> JS engine is deep magic even if I tried pawing at moz internals
# [04:32] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830547
# [04:33] <nemo> ah posted backtraces and callgraphs and steps to reproduce :)
# [04:33] <nemo> I'm sure they are just busy
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# [04:46] <heycam> is there really no way to full screen firefox on mac and not have the tab bar shown?
# [04:49] <nemo> heycam: huh... f11 doesn't do that?
# [04:49] * nemo doesn't have his mac handy
# [04:49] <heycam> nemo, it does the Lion-style full screen, but the tabs (and navigation toolbar) still show
# [04:50] <nemo> boo
# [04:50] <heycam> found https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740148
# [04:50] <nemo> heycam: what about the new JS api?
# [04:50] <nemo> stupid, but I suppose you could make a bookmarklet for it
# [04:50] <heycam> nemo, I am just trying that now :)
# [04:52] <heycam> nemo, that works. hacking in to my slides now. :)
# [04:52] <nemo> heycam: cool. we were using that for our game
# [04:52] <nemo> unfortunately not all keys can be captured, which was a problem for us :-/
# [04:53] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase270.xhtml Esc and F6 basically
# [04:54] <nemo> inconveniently our default keys for weapon selection are F1-F10
# [04:54] <nemo> guess we'll have to come up w/ something different for web players
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# [05:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/39aa8c99853c - Mark Hammond - Bug 832811 - show desktop notifications command doesn't toggle. r=felipe
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# [05:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f083ee78f36d - Mark Hammond - Backed out changeset 39aa8c99853c due to incorrect reviewer in checkin message.
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# [06:16] <WeirdAl> Who's a good build system engineer for a feedback? request?
# [06:17] <WeirdAl> bug 747597
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# [06:20] <Callek> WeirdAl: ted, joey, gps, khuey, glandium -- is the list I would suspect
# [06:20] <Callek> not certain if joey is a peer already though
# [06:20] <Callek> :-)
# [06:21] <WeirdAl> ok, I figured khuey would be on that list
# [06:21] <Callek> (though I did just have a work week with him and mshal [the creator of tup])
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# [06:21] <Callek> and yes, if tup conversion works half as well as it LOOKS like it will, I'm drooling already
# [06:22] <WeirdAl> tup?
# [06:22] <Callek> c.f. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CEAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgittup.org%2Ftup%2Fbuild_system_rules_and_algorithms.pdf&ei=vc_8UJrrOK_liwLR8oEQ&usg=AFQjCNHgKx3cyNFOZnWiYpg-nZdlb4trzg&sig2=WRuPWxnRRsoWnpqCqkMXEA&bvm=bv.41248874,d.cGE
# [06:22] <Callek> err
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# [06:22] <Callek> http://gittup.org/tup/build_system_rules_and_algorithms.pdf (a paper he wrote)
# [06:23] <Callek> http://gittup.org/tup/
# [06:23] <Callek> its a system that basically knows what changes when you touch a file, if the file goes away so does what it generates (or what it generates gets rebuilt) etc
# [06:24] <Callek> and does *not* traverse the list of "every dependancy, ever"
# [06:25] <Callek> he even has POC's for mozilla build system already
# [06:25] <Callek> (auto generated tup rule files based on pymake output, or some such)
# [06:26] <WeirdAl> oh, nice, he's laying groundwork for us already
# [06:26] <Callek> but needs work to be fully useable (since we can change some make vars in between builds, that pymake can see but tup doesn't, etc.)
# [06:26] <Callek> and tup doesn;t support (well) python .pyc/.pyo output so he runs with -B all python
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# [06:27] <Callek> he was at my workweek this past week too, and I was initially skeptical of tup, but after his mini-presentation I'm in awe
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# [06:28] <WeirdAl> hmm I'm looking for a clip from a little-known movie which would be appropriate
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# [06:28] <reuben> that's awesome
# [06:28] * reuben loves to see all this build system <3 going on
# [06:29] <Callek> he was at my workweek this past week too, and I was initially skeptical of tup, but after his mini-presentation I'm in awe
# [06:29] <Callek> (incase that didn't go through the first tme)
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# [06:31] <Callek> WeirdAl: just imagine for a moment, doing a touch of nsI*whatever*, especially a random whatever based on all nsI in the tree
# [06:31] <Callek> WeirdAl: now try and imagine the fastest way you can reliably update everything that depends on it
# [06:31] <Callek> now realize that tup will *know* the fastest way, and emmediately do that
# [06:31] <Callek> and even, in parallel where possible
# [06:31] <Callek> also imagine doing a dep build *that goes backwards in time* in mozilla (bisect) but also has renames and Makefile changes that add/remove stuff
# [06:32] <WeirdAl> Callek - oh, it's a great thing
# [06:32] <WeirdAl> I'm still trying to find this movie clip to recommend to tup's author
# [06:32] <Callek> now imagine a way to do a proper build without a full clobber (because make does much of its work based on file-system-time)
# [06:33] <Callek> and that we could break in some cases if a wrong file is still present after we generated it in a dep build, but shouldn't be in an alt dep build
# [06:33] <Callek> and also realize that tup would FIX that too
# [06:33] <Callek> :-)
# [06:33] <Callek> so yea, awe
# [06:33] <Callek> and this guy is freaking younger than me
# [06:33] <Callek> I am sooo jealous
# [06:34] <WeirdAl> shoot I'm jealous of all these hotshot Mozilla hackers :)
# [06:36] <WeirdAl> a lot of them younger than me
# [06:36] <WeirdAl> hell, look at pavlov when he got started, and when he was profiled in Code Rush
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# [06:38] <Callek> well to be fair, "first rule of good management, hire people smarter than you" second rule of good management "don't let them know it"
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# [06:39] <Callek> and "first rule of successful companies, you'll attract smarter people"
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# [06:39] <Callek> "second rule of successful companies -- for every smart person you attract you'll attract 30 not-as-smart people" so good recruiters/hr/hiring-practices are also useful
# [06:40] <WeirdAl> well, I've managed to last eight years as a Mozilla expert at other companies
# [06:40] <WeirdAl> so I guess I'm all right ;)
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# [06:43] <Callek> :-)
# [06:43] <Callek> wait there are mozilla experts!?!?
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# [06:43] <Callek> I didnt even think mozilla had any of those, even if I counted the CEO
# [06:44] <WeirdAl> bite your tongue
# [06:44] <WeirdAl> I'm doing the best I can
# [06:44] <WeirdAl> :)
# [06:45] <WeirdAl> oh, and that quote: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112966/quotes?qt=qt0148878
# [06:46] <WeirdAl> one thing I really miss over the last two years of this rapid release schedule is the t-shirts
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# [06:47] <Callek> WeirdAl: yea the T-shirts aren't as mind-bending for each release
# [06:48] <Callek> and I think you're doing well... I just had to tease
# [06:48] <WeirdAl> I know. I just haven't worked for Mozilla Corp. yet, nor the Foundation
# [06:48] <WeirdAl> still want to get that on my resume at some point
# [06:49] <WeirdAl> might be a while though
# [06:49] <Callek> apply and be persistent
# [06:49] <Callek> is my suggestion, unless your on someones do-not-hire list for some really weird reason
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# [06:50] <Callek> but you are weird, its in your name
# [06:50] <WeirdAl> well, about 3 yrs ago I was asked by mfinkle to interview with the mobile team
# [06:50] <WeirdAl> at the time I was happily employed by Skyfire, and politely declined
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# [06:51] <WeirdAl> well, a few months later Skyfire laid me off, and I came knocking
# [06:51] <WeirdAl> only the HR system @ Mozilla seemed to think I'd already interviewed there
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# [06:52] <WeirdAl> I'm hoping that should another opportunity arise, the HR DB doesn't have that long a memory :)
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# [06:57] <WeirdAl> that said, I'm working @ Ask and pursuing my college degrees
# [06:58] <Callek> WeirdAl: could always reach out to mark or others here directly
# [06:58] <WeirdAl> the timing is not very good right now
# [06:58] <WeirdAl> nor will it be for a while
# [06:58] <Callek> HR has had lots of in and outs and hiccups (burnouts in some cases)
# [06:59] <Callek> could also apply for an intern position :-P
# [06:59] <Callek> I say all this being soooo very new to the actual employment myself
# [06:59] <Callek> :-)
# [06:59] <Callek> so my own understanding of past may be skewed
# [06:59] <WeirdAl> brb
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# [07:03] <WeirdAl> I really would love to work with the devtools team though
# [07:03] <WeirdAl> the stuff they're doing, freaking awesome
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# [07:48] <justdave> so, I've been having a memory leak problem in Thunderbird that I've been completely unable to track down for the last 6 or 8 weeks.
# [07:48] <justdave> been running Thunderbird's "Daily" branch, which is equivalent to Firefox's "Nightly"
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# [07:48] <justdave> my Firefox is Aurora
# [07:48] <justdave> the last couple days I've started having the same problem in Aurora
# [07:49] <justdave> which tells me the problem isn't specific to Thunderbird :|
# [07:50] <justdave> 4,043.19 MB (75.54%) ── heap-unclassified
# [07:50] <justdave> https://people.mozilla.com/~justdave/grab/61556dfa92892378c2ee6f3fc6f794c0.png
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# [07:53] <@dolske> justdave: do you do much with the Zibra tab in FF? I keep it open in an apptab and haven't noticed anything unusual, but I usually just sit in the calendar view.
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# [07:53] <justdave> it's usually in a mail view
# [07:53] <justdave> mostly because of the above problem with Thunderbird
# [07:54] <justdave> which I've more or less stopped using for the last several weeks
# [07:54] <justdave> and I'm primarily using K-9 and hitting up Zimbra web ui when I need to get at something from the desktop
# [07:55] <justdave> (k-9 is mail client on Android - been using that on my tablet as my primary mail client since the Thunderbird problems became unbearable)
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# [07:57] <philor> and only 300K messages or so?
# [07:57] <justdave> at least :)
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# [07:58] <@dolske> fwiw, I'm on TB Beta, after running for... days? and I'm still at ~400mb.
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# [08:00] <justdave> yeah, beta, not daily or earlybird
# [08:00] <justdave> if this problem rode the train it'd be on earlybird now
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# [08:05] <@dolske> just saying that rolling back to TB Beta might be better than not running TB (dailies) at all
# [08:06] <justdave> hmm, beta would have the fixes on it now for the stuff that made me move to nightly :)
# [08:07] <justdave> (it was beachballing on me all the time)
# [08:08] <@dolske> it's been pretty good to me
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# [08:08] <@dolske> the only thing that makes me slightly grumpy is that it has Australis-stlye tabs and Firefox doesn't. ;)
# [08:08] * @dolske stares at mconley and bwinton ;)
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# [08:11] * justdave tries disabling all of the extensions that Thunderbird and Firefox have in common
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# [08:12] * Unfocused was just about to suggest that
# [08:12] <Unfocused> pretty much the first thing that i ever try
# [08:13] <justdave> which basically consists of "Addon Compatibility Reporter" and "Rikaichan"
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# [08:13] <glob> Callek, lmgtfy
# [08:14] <Callek> glob: sorry I don't believe in your vodoo
# [08:14] <Callek> also I don't care enough to google myself
# [08:14] <glob> "Japanese to English/German/French/Russian dictionary. Just hover the mouse on top of a word, and a popup appears"
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# [08:53] <gaston> what could have been recently (2/3 days ago) backported to aurora that would have affected packaging ?
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# [08:58] <njn> justdave: if you could run a DMD build for a few days, that would be enormously helpful. Instructions are at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance/MemShrink/DMD
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# [09:00] <glazou> a snowy bonjour today :-)
# [09:01] <Ms2ger> And one to you too
# [09:01] <justdave> hmm, does that work on thunderbird, too?
# [09:02] <justdave> wonder if I can actually build a firefox at all currently...
# [09:02] <justdave> been ages since I've done so, wonder how many pieces of the stack I'm missing
# [09:03] <justdave> lotsa snow here, too
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# [09:06] <justdave> added 40815 changesets with 292565 changes to 53885 files
# [09:06] <justdave> guess it's been a while since I updated my checkout :)
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# [09:09] <@dolske> Unfocused: justdave wins. ;) [ref: https://twitter.com/theunfocused/status/293124415519084544]
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# [09:11] <glandium> gaston: what is your problem?
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# [09:15] <glazou> dolske: and by far :-)
# [09:15] <justdave> lol
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# [09:17] <justdave> and to make matters worse....
# [09:17] <justdave> warning: conflicts during merge.
# [09:17] <justdave> so now I get to figure out wth I had applied to it before
# [09:17] <justdave> something to do with bookmarks apparently
# [09:17] <justdave> merging mobile/xul/chrome/content/BookmarkPopup.js incomplete! (edit conflicts, then use 'hg resolve --mark')
# [09:19] <justdave> I'm bad with hg, too. how do I blow away my local changes?
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# [09:19] <justdave> looks like my tree is set up to build xulFennec, too.
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# [09:25] <Ms2ger> justdave, try hg up -C
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# [09:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93ca53db2831 - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 829763: App infrastructure stalls when checking for an update for a hosted app; r=honzab
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# [09:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/422d79422232 - Randell Jesup - Bug 832567: Adjust minimum default bitrate to 200Kbps until we support lower resolutions rs=me
# [09:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/35b633fb9fbc - Randell Jesup - Bug 832567: transmitting-only channels weren't accepting RTCP; turn off NACK mode and block bad outgoing RTCP from transmit-only channels r=ekr
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# [10:20] <ewong> in Linux, when I do a |hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release ff-rel| I get "abort: cannot import name sha1!"
# [10:20] <ewong> actually there are a bunch of errors
# [10:20] <ewong> unsupported hash type sha512
# [10:21] <ewong> ERROR:root:code for hash sha512 was not found.
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# [10:28] <ewong> found out the problem.. upgraded my openssl library and it now works
# [10:28] <KWierso|Home> oh good, I can cancel that hg clone on my linux vm :P
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# [10:31] <ewong> KWierso|Home: :)
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# [10:32] <ewong> it's interesting how it's so hard to figure these dependencies..
# [10:32] <KWierso|Home> ewong: it was fun, because apparently the VMs hosted on this laptop don't have any network connectivity anymore, so I had to pull out a different laptop to use its VM... :|
# [10:33] <ewong> KWierso|Home: how many laptops do you have?
# [10:33] <KWierso|Home> that depends on if you count my convertible tablet and my surface RT as laptops :P
# [10:33] <ewong> one of these days I'd like to build a desktop that'd build FF in < 30 minutes
# [10:34] <ewong> preferably instantaneous..but I think that's a bit too much to ask
# [10:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd882f775915 - Jonathan Kew - bug 831277 - (b) properly round glyph positions to appunits or pixels (as appropriate for the platform) in the graphite shaper. r=jdaggett
# [10:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ac50fa858a7 - Jonathan Kew - bug 831687 - make graphite shaping use hinted widths if implemented by the font. r=jdaggett
# [10:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc202449de94 - Jonathan Kew - bug 831292 - don't mask complex-script ranges from the cmap if Graphite tables are present. r=jdaggett
# [10:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/833978b3dadf - Jonathan Kew - bug 700022 - pt 2 - reftests for lang-tag handling in graphite shaper. r=jdaggett
# [10:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1458740cfd92 - Jonathan Kew - bug 700022 - pt 1 - reftests to check that graphite is working. r=jdaggett
# [10:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d53b9bc5be3e - Jonathan Kew - bug 831277 - (a) make GetRoundOffsetsToPixels a method on gfxContext, instead of private to the harfbuzz shaper. r=jdaggett
# [10:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c681bf531dcd - Jonathan Kew - bug 831548 - character codes with cmap mappings that result in glyph id 0 should not be included in the font's character map. r=jdaggett
# [10:35] <KWierso|Home> lessee, I have my dell xps that I've had for a few years, now... my macbook pro I got from mozilla a year or so back... my sony convertible tablety thing... the surface RT... and my home-built desktop.
# [10:35] <KWierso|Home> I can stop anytime I want.
# [10:35] <KWierso|Home> Shut up, stop looking at me like that.
# [10:35] <KWierso|Home> :|
# [10:36] <ewong> ;P
# [10:36] <ewong> is there such a thing as building FF instantaneously?
# [10:37] <ewong> ie. make -f client.mk and 1 second it goes "completed.."
# [10:37] <KWierso|Home> I think my desktop can do a 40 minute windows build
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# [10:37] <ewong> actually..that sounds scary.. a 1 second full clobber build??
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# [10:53] <NeilAway> ewong: in theory, tup would be able to compile in the background during the hg update ;-)
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# [10:54] <hsivonen> hmm. patches merged to central more than 36 hours ago, but still not showing up in Mac Nightly autoupdates
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# [11:04] <KWierso|Home> that dizziness you feel is just all of your blood pooling into your head :)
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# [11:09] <glazou> my desktop does a 8 minutes 50seconds clobber build
# [11:09] <glazou> on windows
# [11:09] <KWierso|Home> want a cookie?
# [11:10] <glazou> oh no snowing again....
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# [11:14] <hsivonen> oh interesting. the charset menu in Firefox for Android only has 6 options
# [11:14] <darkowlzz> yvan: ping!!
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# [11:22] <glandium> hsivonen: and the charset menu in firefox for desktop is nowhere to be found in the "new" menu ; you need to go through the menu bar
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# [11:22] <glandium> ah it's hidden under web developer
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# [11:24] <justdave> so after running mach build, I eventually get "20:18.83 873 compiler warnings present." followed by a prompt
# [11:25] <justdave> does that mean it succeeded?
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# [11:30] * NeilAway wonders whether that's humph's blog post or someone else's
# [11:30] <justdave> must be, NightlyDebug.app appears to work
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# [11:31] <NeilAway> 20 minute build, not bad
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# [11:32] <justdave> retina macbook pro with 16 GB RAM and SSD drive
# [11:32] <justdave> I'm sure the SSD accounts for most of the build speed
# [11:33] <justdave> is there a way to tell what tabs are using how much CPU? :)
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# [11:34] <glandium> justdave: i'm sure the ssd accounts to almost nothing in the build speed
# [11:34] <darkowlzz> justdave: tried about:memory?
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# [11:35] <justdave> darkowlzz: yes, I pasted stuff from it earlier
# [11:35] <justdave> multiple GB in "heap-unclassified"
# [11:35] <darkowlzz> oh! I was unaware of that
# [11:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3830ad0eb049 - Cervantes Yu - Bug 830299: Check for scrollcorner in nsGfxScrollFrameInner::ReloadChildFrames(). r=roc
# [11:36] <justdave> which is why I just built a dmd build
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# [11:37] <gaston> glandium: http://buildbot.rhaalovely.net/builders/mozilla-aurora-amd64/builds/627/steps/package/logs/stdio
# [11:37] <gaston> glandium: oh disregard, it might be a disk full issue
# [11:37] <glandium> gaston: did you read your log?
# [11:38] <gaston> now, yes
# [11:38] <glandium> gaston: Error: copy of file /usr/obj/buildslave-m-a/browser/installer/../../dist/bin/libxul.so.1.0 failed (package-manifest, xpcom, 43): No space left on device. Exiting...
# [11:38] <gaston> damn too small objdirs partition
# [11:38] <gaston> (damn too big mozilla :)
# [11:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a7234e6f89f2 - Heather Arthur - Bug 827604 - Pseudoclass lock isn't clearing; r=dcamp
# [11:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0b629aad54cc - Anton Kovalyov - Bug 644413 - Add support for -sp-context mode-line in Scratchpad. r=harth
# [11:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/91b9995f9ac7 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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# [11:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b2d55f2d4910 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 801635 - Disable <input type='file'> for B2G. r=sicking
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# [12:02] <baku> question: there is a patch for 830672
# [12:02] <baku> that is applied to mozilla-central
# [12:03] <baku> but not to b2g18
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# [12:03] <baku> and I have to write a new patch that needs it... can I just apply that patch to b2g18 ?
# [12:03] <baku> dbaron, feedback?
# [12:04] <Ms2ger> Request approval
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# [12:04] <@dbaron> baku, yep, request approval to land it if it's necessary, and explain why it's needed
# [12:04] <baku> ok
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# [13:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/332f32b1fad9 - Bobby Holley - Bug 832435 - Fix compartment handling for EvaluteString and javascript: uris. r=bz
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# [13:09] <jfkthame> windows pgo build is red on inbound - any ideas? i'm not seeing an obvious culprit on tbpl...
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# [13:10] <jfkthame> mounir: you have mochitest-1 orange
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# [13:12] <mounir> jfkthame: argh
# [13:13] <mounir> jfkthame: on it
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# [13:14] <jfkthame> mounir: great, thanks - i'm guessing it may be a trivial fix
# [13:15] <mounir> jfkthame: it is
# [13:15] <mounir> it's this stupid SpecialPowers that throw expceptions if a pref isn't set and we try to get it
# [13:15] <mounir> instead of returning null...
# [13:16] <mounir> (I tried to write a patch to fix that once but we have too much tests relying on that behaviour)
# [13:16] <jfkthame> (sigh)
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# [13:17] <Ms2ger> mounir, don't blame SpecialPowers, blame the nsIPref* APIs
# [13:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed17c53be925 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 801635 - Fix mochitest-1 orange. r=me
# [13:20] <jfkthame> yup, that looks like it ought to do the trick
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# [13:23] <jfkthame> (it's also the M2 orange on android - i've starred a couple of those)
# [13:23] <mounir> Ms2ger: SpecialPowers should just do the right thing even if the backend is nuts
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# [13:51] <hsivonen> yay. documentation says a change from a 5-digit bug is recent
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# [13:53] <jfkthame> mounir: that b2g-reftest6 orange on b2d55f2d4910 looks suspicious - does the test just need to be skipped, maybe?
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# [13:55] <hsivonen> what's the correct way to run a single mochitest-plain test without JS JIT?
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# [14:04] <NeilAway> hsivonen: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Mochitest#What_if_I_need_to_change_a_preference_to_run_my_test.3F
# [14:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1392d241c137 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 832373 part 1 - Refactor eval-in-frame to use AbstractFramePtr. r=luke
# [14:05] <NeilAway> hsivonen: even includes a jit example!
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# [14:05] <hsivonen> NeilAway: thanks. I meant something I could pass to ./mach mochitest-plain
# [14:05] <hsivonen> I guess I’ll just patch all.js
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# [14:06] <hsivonen> or maybe EXTRA_TEST_ARGS works with mach
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# [14:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5ea59ba8d604 - Jonathan Kew - bug 801635 followup - skip failing reftest for disabled feature on b2g. r=me
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# [14:46] <mounir> jfkthame: pong
# [14:46] <jfkthame> mounir: see above - b2g reftest failure on inbound from your input-file-disable push
# [14:46] <jfkthame> i pushed a followup to skip the test
# [14:46] <mounir> jfkthame: actually, skipping using the pref would have been better I think
# [14:47] <mounir> but it needed to be skipped
# [14:47] <jfkthame> feel free to make a correction if you like, i just figured it'd be good to clear the orange
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# [14:48] <mounir> jfkthame: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-B2g18 weirdly, the orange doesn't appear here
# [14:49] <jfkthame> i noticed that, but assumed we simply aren't running that test on that tree
# [14:49] <jfkthame> but i didn't dig in to try and verify that guess
# [14:49] <mounir> jfkthame: that was indeed a good call to skip it, I'm not even sure we can skip based on a pref, though, we can force the pref value for the test
# [14:49] <mounir> I will take care of that
# [14:49] <mounir> jfkthame: thanks :)
# [14:50] <jfkthame> looking at the test counts for the b2g reftest runs on b2g18, it looks to me like we're hardly running any of the tests there
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# [14:51] <@dbaron> hsivonen, what documentation? (says a change from a 5 digit bug is recent)
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# [14:52] <hsivonen> dbaron: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Debugging_Mozilla_with_gdb
# [14:53] <@dbaron> hsivonen, yeah, that's a lesson in not using "recent" in documents that will be around in 10 years
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# [15:02] <hsivonen> unreal. I’ve chasing a test failure for a non-trivial time to discover that the failure is dependent on the name of the file involved
# [15:02] <RattyAway> glandium: Hi! I have this expand_libs problem building comm-central http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2075721
# [15:02] <RattyAway> my tree is up to date and I see both your patches in my c-c tree. Any ideas?
# [15:02] <RattyAway> I also tried a clobber :S
# [15:02] <gfritzsche> hm, does anyone remember a bug about putting limits on spamming with many download windows?
# [15:03] <glandium> RattyAway: update your m-c tree
# [15:03] <gfritzsche> i'm rather sure i read one, but i can't find it again
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# [15:03] <glandium> RattyAway: bug 832202
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# [15:04] <RattyAway> glandium: I'm already up to date with http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/91b9995f9ac7
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# [15:04] <hsivonen> doh. just a matter of file missing in Makefile.in
# [15:04] <hsivonen> sigh
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# [15:05] <glandium> RattyAway: re-run configure
# [15:05] <hsivonen> this thing needs a better failure mode
# [15:06] <RattyAway> glandium: ok will try.
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# [15:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb5400c00877 - Ms2ger - Bug 763399: Add a comment describing NS_CSS_MINMAX. r=dbaron
# [15:20] <Ms2ger> Oh hey, my patch
# [15:20] <@dbaron> yes, I was trying to close tabs that no longer needed anything
# [15:20] <@dbaron> or add them todo lists instead of open tabs
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# [15:20] <@dbaron> and the easiest thing to do there was land the patch
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# [15:20] <Ms2ger> Works for me :)
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# [15:30] <JosiahOne> Is there anyone who is not too busy. I need a try build on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817074
# [15:30] <JosiahOne> Just of the two patches listed there.
# [15:31] <JosiahOne> My commiter's agreement apparently hasn't been accepted yet.
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# [15:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/595daefc448c - Jonathan Kew - bug 831883 - eliminate the copy of Open Sans fonts bundled in the Reader core theme. r=lucasr
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# [15:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc665373ff61 - Josh Matthews - Bug 829383 - Ensure hidden private window docshells aren't counted towards private session lifetime. r=bz
# [15:46] <JosiahOne> Anybody able to run the try server? If not, I can probably wait until Stephen gets here. Although he seemed pretty busy last time...
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# [15:48] <gfritzsche> JosiahOne: i could push it, unless Ms2ger is already on it?
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# [15:48] <Ms2ger> Uh, I was going to do that, wasn't I?
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# [15:49] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Sorry, I missed your comment.
# [15:49] <gfritzsche> ok, nvm then :)
# [15:49] <JosiahOne> :)
# [15:50] <Ms2ger> JosiahOne, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=779069a6209e
# [15:51] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Why thank you very much kind sir.
# [15:51] <Ms2ger> Np :)
# [15:51] <JosiahOne> But that does leave me with a question. About how long does it take for Shannon to confirm my email? It's been a few days.
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# [15:53] <jdm> JosiahOne: it depends, unfortunately :/
# [15:53] <jdm> sometimes we have to nudge her by email
# [15:53] <jdm> sometimes it's within a couple hours of CCing her
# [15:54] <JosiahOne> Hmm. Alright, well, I'll keep waiting.
# [15:55] <JosiahOne> jdm: But if it is after a week, should I re-email. Or have someone else do it?
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# [15:56] <Ms2ger> Poke khuey|away if it takes too long
# [15:56] <jdm> JosiahOne: given that it's only been a weekend so far, and the west coast isn't awake yet, let's give it a day before pinging her
# [15:57] <JosiahOne> jdm: Yeah, I meant if nothing happens after a whole week.
# [15:57] <gfritzsche> don't forget that it's a usa holiday today
# [15:57] <jdm> oh, good point
# [15:57] <JosiahOne> Oh yeah. Forgot about that.
# [15:57] <jdm> JosiahOne: poke me or khuey if there's nothing on tuesday
# [15:58] <JosiahOne> jdm: Will do. :)
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# [16:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c3072e256623 - Josh Matthews - Bug 830066 - Use proper document for dropping links on toolkit download UI. r=mak
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# [16:24] <JosiahOne> Does review+ mean the patch has been reviewed and pushed into the main Nightly?
# [16:25] <gfritzsche> just reviewed, not checked in
# [16:25] <JosiahOne> Odd.
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# [16:26] <JosiahOne> gfritzsche: How can you tell if it has been checked in? Can you from Bugzilla?
# [16:26] <gfritzsche> if a patch gets checked in there should be a comment on the bug linking to the revision
# [16:27] <gfritzsche> and target milestone should be set accordingly
# [16:27] <Mossop> Also, it should be marked FIXED
# [16:27] <Mossop> It's all manual though, very occasionally it doesn't happen
# [16:27] <jdm> Mossop: pretty sure most of those steps aren't manual
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# [16:28] <jdm> since the merge script takes care of them
# [16:28] <gfritzsche> JosiahOne: as an example take this comment and the folowing: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754472#c36
# [16:28] <Mossop> jdm: Ok, things have changed since I last checked in then
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# [16:29] <gfritzsche> JosiahOne: first checked in to inbound, then merged to central and marked fixed
# [16:29] <JosiahOne> Weird. I guess these changes were added after this bug started working on them.
# [16:29] <JosiahOne> Half the supplied patches are broken, but when I examined them, they look almost identical to the current source.
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# [16:29] <JosiahOne> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636564
# [16:30] <JosiahOne> Not to mention this is the worst organized bug I have seen in a while.
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# [16:31] <Ms2ger> JosiahOne, these patches are well over a year old
# [16:32] <Ms2ger> And we make a lot of changes :)
# [16:32] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Yes, I am trying to continue work on that myself, but it is quite difficult when so much has changed. :(
# [16:32] <JosiahOne> Why do we try to make things better? :)
# [16:32] <jdm> JosiahOne: we tend to call that bitrotted rather than broken, to distinguish between patches that are not trivially mergeable vs. fundamentally wrong
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# [16:33] <JosiahOne> jdm: Good to know.
# [16:34] <jfkthame> it looks like a bunch of stuff landed on central in Dec 2011 (comment 76), so you won't need those patches on current code
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# [16:34] <NeilAway> JosiahOne, sometimes you can roll back your tree to the revision used by the patch, apply the patch, and merge it forward, unfortunately hg diff -g doesn't print the revision :s
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# [16:34] <jfkthame> oh, wait, following comments suggest that may have been confused
# [16:35] <decoder> can anyone tell me what the cpp test "TestPoisonArea" does?
# [16:35] <Ms2ger> I suspect dbaron can
# [16:36] <gfritzsche> would have helped to mark the checked-in bugs on 636564 checkin+ :/
# [16:36] <JosiahOne> Alright guys. Thanks, I'll keep looking at it. It might end up being better if we just wait for Markus to get back to it.
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# [16:36] <JosiahOne> … If that ever happens...
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# [16:36] <@dbaron> decoder, I think it's testing that our ability to pick a poison address for frame poisoning is correct
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# [16:37] <edmorley|mobile> Pgo bustage on inbound
# [16:37] <decoder> dbaron: okay. I'm asking because on try I see segfaults of that test under address sanitizer. is what that test does memory safe?
# [16:37] <@dbaron> decoder, frame poisoning being http://robert.ocallahan.org/2010/10/mitigating-dangling-pointer-bugs-using_15.html
# [16:37] <decoder> full log here: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=18977915&tree=Firefox&full=1#error0
# [16:37] <@dbaron> decoder, does the test not intentionally segfault or something?
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# [16:38] * @dbaron can't actually find the test in his tree
# [16:38] <@dbaron> oh, found it
# [16:38] <decoder> dbaron: if it does then that would explain the behavior :)
# [16:39] <@dbaron> decoder, looks like it forks a child process for each test, and some of the tests expect the child process to segfault
# [16:40] <decoder> hm. sounds like a good test to entirely disable under asan then^^
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# [16:41] <decoder> dbaron: if I make a patch, can you review it? or does someone else need to do that?
# [16:41] <@dbaron> decoder, I could ,yes
# [16:41] <@dbaron> decoder, or zwol could
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# [17:00] <decoder> dbaron: something like this should work right? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2075871
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# [17:01] <@ehsan> I'm probably late to the party, but what's up with windows pgo builds busted on inbound and central?
# [17:02] <mak> I read "Not enough space "
# [17:03] <jfkthame> …on central; inbound seems to have some unresolved symbols
# [17:03] <mak> in central
# [17:03] <mak> y
# [17:04] <mak> that looks strange, clobber needed?
# [17:05] <jfkthame> could be. fwiw, i re-triggered the build on b2d55f2d4910, and the second attempt hasn't burned yet...
# [17:05] <jfkthame> (it's been 2 1/2 hours so far)
# [17:05] <@ehsan> hrm
# [17:06] <@ehsan> those unresolved linker symbols are weird...
# [17:06] <@ehsan> I don't see any recent change to any of those symbolds
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# [17:06] <@dbaron> decoder, I think so, yes
# [17:06] <@ehsan> not even to the symbols!
# [17:06] <jfkthame> i didn't see any obvious inbound push that i could point the finger at
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# [17:07] <@ehsan> hmm
# [17:07] <@ehsan> one thing which we can try is to roll back everything to the latest green PGO build
# [17:07] <@ehsan> and retry landing patches one by one, triggering PGO builds on them
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# [17:08] <decoder> dbaron: ok ill file a bug
# [17:08] <@dbaron> ehsan, can we not trigger a pgo build on an old changeset?
# [17:08] <mak> ehsan: if current retrigger works, it's likely just something went mad on some boxes, not sure if it's worth spending so much time to remove and reland everything
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# [17:08] <@ehsan> dbaron: hm, good question
# [17:09] <zwol> decoder: please cc :zwol on that bug
# [17:09] <edmorley|mobile> ehsan: I'll trigger some
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# [17:09] <@ehsan> dbaron: yeah I guess we can... it will trigger linux pgo builds too
# [17:09] <decoder> zwol: will do
# [17:09] <@ehsan> but perhaps that's fine
# [17:09] <mak> fwiw, we can trigger pgo from self-serve
# [17:10] <@ehsan> mak: well, missing symbols are sort of scary
# [17:10] <@ehsan> we might have uncovered a bug in the PGO compiler
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# [17:11] <mak> unless we are again near memory limit for xul linking...
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# [17:11] <edmorley|mobile> mak: I've triggered some pgo
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# [17:15] <suneth> hi
# [17:15] <jcranmer> ehsan: all large programs probably do QA for all major compilers
# [17:15] <@ehsan> it's true
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# [17:16] <jcranmer> I came across a bug recently that said "gcc 4.5's optimization is much worse than 4.7, why don't you compile with that?"
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# [17:18] <bhearsum> jcranmer: the same reason we don't -funroll-loops and -O3 of course!
# [17:19] <mak> TinderboxPrint: linker max vsize: 3939495936
# [17:19] <mak> we were near 3GB, now we are near 4...
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# [17:19] <jcranmer> speaking of gcc 4.7, looks like Debian wants me to upgrade it again
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# [17:23] <jcranmer> "
# [17:23] <jcranmer> I also get this, but only with flash 11.2, but not with 11.5.
# [17:23] <jcranmer> Any idea how to solve it?"
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# [17:23] <jcranmer> I think he answered his own question
# [17:24] <jdm> edmorley|mobile: looks like I have a persistent orange on one of my changesets. want me to wait to back out until the tree's open?
# [17:25] <edmorley|mobile> jdm: now Wfm :-)
# [17:25] <mak> edmorley|mobile: ehsan filed Bug 832992 for central... though I'm quite scared of the current vsize...
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# [17:25] <@ehsan> yeah, the END OF DAYZ is near
# [17:26] * @ehsan has been preaching that for a while
# [17:26] <tbsaunde> ehsan: rugh, didn't it look like we had a couple months a week or two ago?
# [17:26] <jdm> whoops, I accidentally pushed a changeset that couldn't land earlier because of the hook
# [17:26] <jdm> but since I pushed a backout with the magic words it went along for the ride
# [17:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1aa6bf0a46a2 - Josh Matthews - Backed out changeset cc665373ff61 (bug 829383). CLOSED TREEs don't bother me.
# [17:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f57f7c12b6dc - Josh Matthews - Bug 830271 - Make download UI notification take an nsIDownload. r=mak sr=mossop
# [17:28] <jfkthame> well, that's one way to sneak into the tree :)
# [17:28] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: yes, we still do
# [17:28] <mak> ehsan: scary scary scary... also the fact we gained 1GB in about 6 months
# [17:28] <@ehsan> jdm: hehe, neat trick
# [17:28] <@ehsan> mak: there's a bug on file to rip out the webrtc stuff
# [17:29] <@ehsan> I need to find some time and think about what else we can rip out at some point
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# [17:29] <decoder> dbaron: exactly, ASan will never be the default. we have special builds for that :) They're meant for testing/debugging/fuzzing only
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# [17:31] <mak> retriggered nightly
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# [17:32] <jcranmer> damn, I thought I had another 6 months to think about de-RDF before the PGO chopping block came around
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# [17:41] <@dbaron> zwol, btw, I'm not sure what the needinfo flag in 543151 is for. (My suggestion to use needinfo? flags to get my attention doesn't really apply when there are also review? flags -- was that what led to the needinfo?. The flag requests all go to the same place.)
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# [17:42] <zwol> dbaron: I thought you were telling me that your review backlog was so long that you wanted needinfo? on anything current.
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# [17:42] <@dbaron> zwol, no, just that needinfo? was useful to get my attention in bugzilla since it's a mechanism for sending bugmail that's more of a "To:" than a "Cc:"
# [17:43] <zwol> dbaron: So only when _not_ asking for review? Got it.
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# [17:43] <@dbaron> zwol, right
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# [17:44] <mak> ehsan: so you think it's not worth having a bug tracking 4GB PGOpocalypse, or we already have one?
# [17:45] <Ms2ger> I bet we have one
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# [17:45] <Ms2ger> And I believe it predicts that we'll hit it pretty soon now
# [17:45] <@smaug> paul: is 3d view broken
# [17:45] <mak> Ms2ger: we still have something like 50MB available!
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# [17:46] <@smaug> paul: after enabling it once, and hiding the devtools once, I can't enable 3d view again
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# [17:47] <mak> Ms2ger: no wait, I was too pessimistic, 60MB
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# [17:52] <edmorley|mobile> mak: Cc'd you on the tracking pgo in graphs.m.o bug
# [17:52] <mak> just found that
# [17:52] <mak> thanks
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# [17:55] <paul> smaug: let me verify that
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# [17:56] <paul> smaug: do you have some more detailled STR?
# [17:56] <Ms2ger> Hrm, did someone break make install?
# [17:56] <@smaug> paul: I opened devtools (ctrl+i)
# [17:56] <@smaug> paul: then activated 3d
# [17:56] <@smaug> paul: then closed devtools
# [17:57] <@smaug> paul: note, 3d view stayed active
# [17:57] <@smaug> then pressed esc and 3d view was disabled
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# [17:57] <NeilAway> jdm++
# [17:57] <@smaug> paul: then re-opened devtools, where 3d-view button was already activated
# [17:58] <paul> smaug: indeed. I'll file a bug. Thanks.
# [17:59] <NeilAway> mak: isn't it just a P(G)Ocalypse?
# [17:59] <mak> NeilAway: we may still have one month or such to decide the name :)
# [18:00] <NeilAway> jdm: slightly different meaning of "default" here
# [18:00] <jdm> oh, right
# [18:00] <jdm> I understand now
# [18:00] <NeilAway> jdm: it's turned on by a configure flag, and that flag is defaulted to true in firefox's confvars, so it's only default for firefox
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# [18:01] <NeilAway> jdm: I understand that ehsan is planning on ripping out all the ifdefs effectively turning it into the default for everyone
# [18:01] <jdm> NeilAway: right.
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# [18:11] <gabor> any indexeddb expert here who could explain to me why do we access global window from non-mainthread here? https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/OpenDatabaseHelper.cpp#1628
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# [18:14] <jdm> gabor: presumably because OpenDatabaseHelper is running off the main thread unintentionally
# [18:14] <jdm> a stack trace would probably be informative
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# [18:17] <gabor> jdm: so you mean this should never run off the main thread?
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# [18:17] <jdm> my suspicion is that statement is correct
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# [18:18] <gabor> jdm: hmmm... I'll check that, thanks
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# [18:19] <gabor> jdm: for the records, here is a stack trace: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2075972
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# [18:20] <gabor> jdm: it's after a relatively big patch from test_iframe_sandbox_general.html , so it can be that I messed something up
# [18:20] <darkowlzz_> jaws: ping!!
# [18:21] <jdm> gabor: oh, hmm
# [18:21] <jdm> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/CheckPermissionsHelper.cpp#146
# [18:21] <jdm> this line suggests I'm wrong
# [18:22] <gabor> jdm: yeah... so I wonder why is it safe to access the global window off the main thread... it really shouldnt be as far as I know
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# [18:22] <jdm> agreed
# [18:23] <@ehsan> mak: we do have a bug on that
# [18:23] <Ms2ger> gabor, as long as it only passes the pointer around, I don't see the issue
# [18:23] <mak> ehsan: I saw the
# [18:23] <@ehsan> NeilAway: do you have any concerns about that?
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# [18:23] <mak> ehsan: sorry, I saw the bug about tracking vsize
# [18:23] <@ehsan> ok
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# [18:24] <gabor> Ms2ger: the issue that after my patch that pointer can only get after a QI :(
# [18:24] <Ms2ger> Ah
# [18:24] <Ms2ger> QI earlier :)
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# [18:24] <gabor> Ms2ger: so I wonder if a pointer with some offset could do the same work as this one, or I have to create a member only for this on nsDOMEventTargetHelper
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# [18:25] <NeilAway> ehsan: I filed a bug on the only concern I found so far and the patch is already on inbound
# [18:25] <@ehsan> NeilAway: bug#?
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# [18:26] <NeilAway> ehsan: 830271
# [18:26] <jfkthame> when i'm looking at a chart such as http://mzl.la/XKqfIm (i.e. perf results on on graphs.m.o), how do i get it to scale the vertical axis so as to actually see something useful?
# [18:27] <@ehsan> NeilAway: ok, thanks
# [18:27] <NeilAway> ehsan: (yeah, I do file bugs sometimes!)
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# [18:28] <@ehsan> :)
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# [18:40] <Enn> ehsan: so what's the easiest way to reproduce 831854?
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# [18:43] <@ehsan> Enn: update to this revision on aurora https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/1fff5df1ac6a (before my fix), add export MOZ_UPDATE_CHANNEL=aurora to your mozconfig, and build and then launch mochitest-browser-chrome
# [18:44] <@ehsan> Enn: the test framework will fail to initialize because the first waitForFocus call never succeeds
# [18:44] <@ehsan> Enn: (you may want an opt build since timing matters here)
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# [18:55] <gregglind> anyone install firefox under wine on osx?
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# [18:57] <bhearsum> gregglind: i have no words for that question
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# [18:58] <gregglind> So, here's the problem: windows Fx has... issues... we be on mac :)
# [18:59] <gregglind> Switch to a full vm to see them means I never test my stuff in windows. I figured this or CodeWeaver (or whatever it's called now) might lower the bar.
# [18:59] <bhearsum> i would suggest that running any tests under wine is nearly completely useless
# [18:59] <gregglind> not for UX
# [18:59] <bhearsum> ok
# [18:59] <gregglind> so I can see how they actually look and verify it behaves as expected.
# [18:59] <bhearsum> i haven't heard of anyone ever doing that, and it's certainly far from a supported thing
# [19:00] <gregglind> It is! And it's part of why look and feel on windows is...
# [19:00] <gregglind> sad.
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# [19:01] <Mossop> Running under wine won't give you an accurate idea of what the UI would look like on real Windows
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# [19:02] <gregglind> Mossop, you have a better path on this? vmware fusion... I have it, and never turn it on.
# [19:02] <bhearsum> get a 2nd machine to run Windows on
# [19:02] <gregglind> And I really don't want to switch to a windows desktop.
# [19:03] <bhearsum> if you're an employee, i'm pretty sure you can request one through IT w/ manager approval
# [19:03] <gregglind> Maybe I am strange, but I will never use it.
# [19:03] <Mossop> Yes, a VM or real Windows
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# [19:03] <gregglind> Does anyone?
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# [19:04] <gregglind> It's not the money, it's that it's out-of-context at that point.
# [19:04] <Mossop> I use windows as my main environment
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# [19:04] <jfkthame> a number of core devs do so… not a particularly large number, i think, but it's definitely non-zero
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# [19:05] <Mossop> Also IIRC VMWare has its unity mode which allows running Windows apps as if they were part of OSX. I don't know whether that impacts the UI though
# [19:05] <jcranmer> I have a windows desktop
# [19:05] <bhearsum> if one cares about the windows experience, they need to suck it up and test on it, i think
# [19:05] <gregglind> VMWare unity mode... good tip!
# [19:05] <jcranmer> of course, I do all of y development on a Linux VM, but ....
# [19:05] <gregglind> And I do mine on osx :)
# [19:05] <bhearsum> there's really no substitute for the real thing
# [19:06] <jfkthame> i wouldn't trust unity mode for evaluating UX issues… you really need to be in a "real" windows environment for that to be valid, i think
# [19:06] <gregglind> Even 80% of the real thing might expose the really gross bits.
# [19:06] <gregglind> Right now I have 0 incentive to go hunting.
# [19:08] <jfkthame> better understanding the issues faced by 90% (or whatever) of our users isn't an incentive?
# [19:09] <Mossop> Sort of surprised that the UX team don't push on a number of you to switch
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# [19:10] <gregglind> jfkthame, you'd think that would be enough, right?
# [19:11] <gregglind> are you on windows?
# [19:11] <gregglind> Asa has tried pushing lots of people to switch :)
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# [19:11] <jfkthame> me? no, but i do keep a windows machine for when i work on windows-specific issues
# [19:11] <Ms2ger> khuey|away is
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# [19:12] <gregglind> thus my looking for something that gets me 50% of the way there, with 99% less pain :)
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# [19:15] <jfkthame> i suspect working with an unsupported setup such as fx-under-wine would be -more- pain than having a real windows machine around
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# [19:17] <gregglind> Mossop, unity view is... interesting. Thanks for the tip
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# [20:03] <JosiahOne> Anybody know of a pretty easy way to detect how powerful the hardware is on Javascript?
# [20:04] <Ms2ger> var begin = Date(); for (var i = 0; i < 10e9; ++i) {} var end = Date();
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# [20:05] <@smaug> :p
# [20:05] <JosiahOne> Lol.
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# [20:06] <Ms2ger> Seriously though, I don't know of a better way
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# [20:06] <@smaug> JosiahOne: what kind of information do you need?
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# [20:06] <JosiahOne> I switched to requestAnimationFrame, which does make the animation smoother on all platforms… Except that on low end machines, that animation takes quite long. (Single Core, Atom Processor, 1 GB RAM)
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# [20:07] <JosiahOne> I'm not sure exactly what causes this.
# [20:07] <JosiahOne> Perhaps the RAM in peticuliar.
# [20:09] <@smaug> I doubt it is ram, but anyhow, what would you do with that information ?
# [20:09] <JosiahOne> Detect if it is weaker, then increase the code I have for the speed.
# [20:10] <Mook_as> what if somebody decides to chew cpu/ram right after you do the test?
# [20:10] <Mook_as> (or switches to the suckier GPU, or whatever)
# [20:10] <JosiahOne> Possible, but I would test every time. (But how would that effect perforamce
# [20:11] <JosiahOne> performance*
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# [20:11] <JosiahOne> It's a difficult situation.
# [20:11] <Mook_as> is your code anywhere visible?
# [20:11] * timeless looks for someone who undersands python's subprocess module (win32)
# [20:12] <Mook_as> timeless: 2 or 3?
# [20:12] <timeless> py2.7
# [20:12] <timeless> JosiahOne: just use a timer or something and calculate your FPS
# [20:12] <Ms2ger> I know someone who can tell you all about it not working on OpenBSD?
# [20:12] <timeless> if the FPS is bad, fall back to another method
# [20:12] <Mook_as> (also, I've only skimmed it enough to see that it uses the A APIs, not the W ones... ick)
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# [20:12] <Mook_as> (3's better at that)
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# [20:13] <timeless> as long as you start out w/ some fancy splash-like start screen, you can pretty quickly determine if the system isn't "good enough" for your purposes
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# [20:13] <timeless> and note that you can't really try to use "js to test for cpu power"
# [20:13] <timeless> consider Ms2ger 's test
# [20:13] <timeless> it actually tests to see how "clever" the js engine is
# [20:13] <timeless> the clever js engine compiles it to:
# [20:14] <JosiahOne> timeless: How would that work with requestAnimationFrame, it does it's best to keep things at 60 FPS, but not always. That is the problem. I can't make the really heavy code (Browser.js)
# [20:14] <timeless> var begin = Date(); {var i = 10e9+1;} var end = Date();
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# [20:14] <Mook_as> JosiahOne: in your callback, check Date.now() and compare against the last frame / start of animation ?
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# [20:14] <JosiahOne> BTW, here's my code. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2076116
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# [20:15] <timeless> btw: `hasButtonSwipeSupprt` looks like a typo :)
# [20:15] <JosiahOne> timeless: Oh yeah, good find! :)
# [20:17] * Mook_as is curious what gHistorySwipeAnimation looks like
# [20:18] <timeless> JosiahOne: anyway, you should be able to define what "slow" means in terms of something roughly like fps
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# [20:18] <JosiahOne> Mook_as: Take a look here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678392
# [20:18] <timeless> you can also have your algorithm consider switching back and forth if you like
# [20:19] <JosiahOne> timeless: Yeah, I'll do something like that.
# [20:19] <timeless> yay
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# [20:19] <timeless> something keeps killing my chrome subprocesses
# [20:20] <JosiahOne> Kill the killer!
# [20:20] <JosiahOne> :)
# [20:20] <Ms2ger> killall chrome?
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# [20:26] <spohl> JosiahOne: it was suggested that you use requestAnimationFrame to avoid setInterval and setTimeout calls
# [20:26] <JosiahOne> Wait a second...
# [20:26] <spohl> JosiahOne: but now you're using them in the callback for requestAnimationFrame. :-)
# [20:26] <Mook_as> JosiahOne: very horrible proof of concept: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2076163
# [20:27] * Mook_as was too lazy to set up actual snapshots &c
# [20:28] <JosiahOne> spohl: In requestAnimationFrame? That is what all examples said to do. Why would I not use it? I control FPS that way.
# [20:28] <JosiahOne> And it did work, things animate much better, except for the long animation period on weak machines.
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# [20:29] <spohl> JosiahOne: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/window.requestAnimationFrame
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# [20:29] <gregglind> Can I open a private window on a 'search'... like "facebook" without any protocol (desired behaviour equivalent to: open private window, put 'facebook' in awesomebar, hit enter)
# [20:29] <gregglind> I am trying to learn openDialog
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# [20:30] <JosiahOne> spohl: Alright, so I just drop the whole callback thing. I can try that. But does it really make a difference?
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# [20:33] <JosiahOne> Building...
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# [20:35] <spohl> JosiahOne: requestAnimationFrame needs a callback. you just have to write one that doesn't make use of setTimout/setInterval
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# [20:36] <JosiahOne> I see.
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# [20:39] <froydnj> wow, build queues are empty
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# [20:40] <JosiahOne> Callback is just a number in ms right?
# [20:40] <bhearsum> froydnj: welcome to american holidays! quick, do all your work now
# [20:41] <JosiahOne> So if I return 1000 / 60, that would be 60 FPS second, right?
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# [20:44] <Ms2ger> bholley, and closed trees
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# [20:44] <bholley> Ms2ger: ?
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> Er
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# [20:53] <Mook_as> JosiahOne: no, the callback is just a function that will get called when you should set up the next frame. it shouldn't return anything, but call requestAnimationFrame as appropriate.
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# [20:53] <JosiahOne> Mook_as: So why would one even need to define it?
# [20:54] <Mook_as> JosiahOne: it's the the first argument to setTimeout?
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# [20:54] <Mook_as> err, it's like blahblah...
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# [20:56] <JosiahOne> Okay. But like, spohl is saying I should not use setTimeout, but how else would it know to wait before executing the function again? Would you need a setTimeout? All examples I have seen do, (The one from Paul Irish)
# [20:56] <JosiahOne> Wouldn't*
# [20:56] <Mook_as> JosiahOne: it will _call you_ when it's ready to execute your function again
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# [20:57] <timeless> Mook_as: i'm trying to spawn a new console window for a command
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# [20:57] <jrmuizel> ted: ping
# [20:57] <timeless> the equivalent of `start` if i were talking to cmd.exe
# [20:57] <timeless> but talking to `start` from python is a PITA
# [20:57] <timeless> because the first quoted argument to start is the window title
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# [20:58] <timeless> and the next argument needs to be quoted and have properly escaped backslashes
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# [20:59] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2076226
# [20:59] <Mook_as> so you want it to pass in CREATE_NEW_CONSOLE in dwCreationFlags, okay
# [20:59] <decoder> dbaron: win :) seems like the patch revealed an actual error in one of the following tests^^
# [20:59] <decoder> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=18993827&tree=Try#error1
# [20:59] <froydnj> bhearsum: almost makes me want to move to Canada!
# [21:00] <timeless> Mook_as: *sigh*
# [21:00] <timeless> that didn't work before when i tried it
# [21:00] * timeless wonders what's different now
# [21:00] <Mook_as> obviously, it was mentioned on IRC :p
# [21:00] <timeless> thanks!
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# [21:01] <JosiahOne> Alright, done. I never use setTimeout.
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# [21:02] <timeless> Mook_as: ok, want to help me w/ an OSX or X11 equivalent to my problem? :)
# [21:02] <Mook_as> timeless: wtf is a new console over there? :p
# [21:02] <Mook_as> (do you need to, umm, spawn xterm or something?)
# [21:02] <timeless> Terminal.app
# [21:02] <timeless> yeah, probably gnome-terminal/konsole/xterm
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# [21:03] <timeless> bonus points for figuring out which one the user is currently running on the session
# [21:03] <timeless> or the one the user has run most recently
# [21:03] * timeless suspects those are both theoretically doable
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# [21:05] <Mook_as> JosiahOne: so, just wondering... why not css transitions, so you don't have to deal with any of this crap?
# [21:05] <JosiahOne> Hold it.
# [21:06] <JosiahOne> Mook_as: I probably should use CSS transitions, but I spent days trying to get this too work. So I really am not in the mood to here that I should have down something else. ;) If you know what I mean.
# [21:06] <JosiahOne> hear*
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# [21:06] <JosiahOne> Mook_as: No, but really. Could you explain the advantages of using CSS transitions?
# [21:06] <Mook_as> JosiahOne: hah, yes.
# [21:07] <Mook_as> JosiahOne: the engine deals with all the timing and painting and crap for you, you just set up the start/end conditions, pretty much
# [21:07] <Mook_as> (you're doing a slide animation, right?)
# [21:07] <glandium> rhino is not dead http://www.i-programmer.info/news/167-javascript/5359-javascript-comes-to-minecraft.html
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# [21:07] <JosiahOne> Mook_as: Yep.
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# [21:09] <JosiahOne> Mook_as: Got some docs on this? Preferably current ones. :)
# [21:10] <Mook_as> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/CSS/Tutorials/Using_CSS_transitions is probably current enough
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# [21:12] <JosiahOne> Mook_as: Looks pretty simple. I'll revert to that if what I just did doesn't help. It might. If requestAnimationFrame is suppose to call 60 FPS, then my timing should be the same on all machines. Perhaps me using setTimeout messed this up?
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# [21:12] <Mook_as> maybe.
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# [21:12] <JosiahOne> If not, CSS it is.
# [21:13] <JosiahOne> Now I just need another try build.
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# [21:13] <we11ington> Question about the JavaScript
# [21:13] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Yes?
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# [21:14] <we11ington> JosiahOne: I need to figure out how to pass an object through a command "defined" in browser-sets.inc
# [21:14] <we11ington> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#920
# [21:14] <we11ington> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser-sets.inc#83
# [21:15] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Suppose I wanted to put the aEvent object through so that it gets picked up by FullZoom
# [21:15] <JosiahOne> Hmm. You should ask one of these fine men who helped me. (I'm not too experienced in web languages… Yet) And passing to JS is quite new to me.
# [21:15] <we11ington> (Which is pretty close to what I'm doing, except I have another file)
# [21:16] <we11ington> Okay, anyone else know how to pass the event along? I see some other examples in browser-sets.inc where the command has an argument, but I couldn't find any examples where they're called.
# [21:16] <Mook_as> we11ington: FullZoom.reduce(event); I think?
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# [21:21] <we11ington> No luck, Mook_as. I also put the event in as the final argument in the initCommandEvent function, based on my interpretation of this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/xul/nsIDOMXULCommandEvent.idl#36
# [21:24] <we11ington> Aha. Hm.
# [21:24] <we11ington> Mook_as: I've got the event passed through correctly (I think), but it's an XULCommandEvent object, so not-very-JS compatible
# [21:24] <we11ington> Is there some sort of conversion function?
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# [21:30] <JosiahOne> Well, anyone else willing to start yet another try server for me? The two patches from here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817074
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# [21:31] <Mook_as> we11ington: so, what event are you expecting?
# [21:31] <Mook_as> we11ington: (did you want event.sourceEvent?)
# [21:31] <we11ington> Mook_as: I'm expecting the SimpleGestureEvent
# [21:32] <we11ington> Essentially, the exact same event as is going through GS__doUpdate
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# [21:34] <@ehsan> hmm
# [21:34] <we11ington> I'mma try with event.sourceEvent
# [21:34] <@ehsan> has anybody been following the status of inbound?
# [21:34] <mounir> ehsan: I was going to suggest that we should reopen
# [21:35] <@ehsan> well
# [21:35] <@ehsan> I wanna know more about what happened first!
# [21:35] <we11ington> Mook_as: I got it :)
# [21:35] <we11ington> Mook_as: Thanks!
# [21:35] <@ehsan> philor: ping?
# [21:35] <mak> ehsan: I keep having suspects on vsize, the other failure in central ended up not being a disk space issue in the end
# [21:35] <philor> ehsan: pong
# [21:36] <@ehsan> philor: can you please help me read https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832992#c5?
# [21:36] <@ehsan> are we hitting the ceiling?
# [21:36] <@ehsan> mak: but we're not very close yet... are we?
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# [21:37] <philor> ehsan: I presume so since that's what that pair of errors is supposed to mean - we've been pretending it's a perfectly flat ceiling and our linker max vsize measurement is perfect, but... maybe not
# [21:37] <mak> ehsan: well, it depends what you consider close
# [21:37] <@ehsan> well
# [21:37] <@ehsan> f**k!
# [21:38] <mak> 100MB of memory is not much
# [21:38] <@ehsan> hrm
# [21:38] <philor> since both faliures have been in the same place in svg where dzbarsky has been recently, let's blame him!
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# [21:38] <mak> our safe zone should be > 500MB free vmem, imo
# [21:39] <dzbarsky> philor: yay
# [21:39] <mounir> philor: can we reopen?
# [21:39] <philor> mounir: no
# [21:39] <@ehsan> mounir: not at all
# [21:39] <mounir> oh
# [21:39] <mounir> I guess I should leave this to the big guys :)
# [21:40] <@ehsan> the big guys?
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# [21:40] <mounir> the guys who knows
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# [21:40] <@ehsan> mounir: can you please name some names?
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# [21:40] <mounir> ehsan: I meant you ond philor :)
# [21:40] <@ehsan> well
# [21:41] <@ehsan> I guess we can meter the check-ins for a while
# [21:41] <@ehsan> to make sure nothing can go into libxul
# [21:41] <@ehsan> (on windows)
# [21:41] <@ehsan> and start ripping things out?
# [21:41] <philor> I moved the bugt to khuey and glandium's component, I figured that was my part :)
# [21:41] <@ehsan> philor: thanks
# [21:42] * @ehsan closes central too
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# [21:42] <tbsaunde> ehsan: do you have ideas on what more can go out?
# [21:42] <mfinkle> metered checkins, so we could land non-libxul stuff ?
# [21:42] <mak> ehsan: we'll need at least pre-approvals for Aurora and b2g18, even if that may go into libxul
# [21:42] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: I filed a bug about webrtc
# [21:42] <@ehsan> not sure what else can go out
# [21:43] <@ehsan> mak: aurora and b2g18 are not affected
# [21:43] <@ehsan> oh man
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# [21:43] <mak> ehsan: you misunderstood me, if I have to fix something in aurora (or b2g18) I should first push it to inbound/central
# [21:43] <@ehsan> mak: that is out of the question for nwo
# [21:43] <@ehsan> we can't keep adding code to libxul on central
# [21:45] <mak> I have a Déjà vu
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# [21:52] <philor> charmingly, this is intermittent rather than permanent, making it harder to tell whether you let something slip past your meter
# [21:53] <jimm> ehsan: we have winrt widget coming over from elm in the next week or two, fya
# [21:53] <jimm> *fyi
# [21:53] <@ehsan> philor: that's how things start
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# [21:53] <@ehsan> jimm: does that live inside libxul?
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# [21:54] <jimm> yes, it's a new widget class and associated code. not too big though, and will be off via a build config flag at first.
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# [21:54] * ehsan changes topic to 'central/inbound indefinitely CLOSED to all check-ins which add/modify code in libxul on Windows | Introducing https://etherpad.mozilla.org/commonissues || Fix your tests, please! http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ || Next merge: 18 February || New? Want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnho'
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# [21:55] <@ehsan> jimm: then the merge cannot happen until this problem is fixed :(
# [21:55] <jimm> last elm merge was probably three weeks ago, and the elm nightly has mem use at 3857879040
# [21:55] <@ehsan> jimm: it's a good idea to make sure you're doing PGO builds on elm
# [21:55] <jimm> we are!
# [21:55] <@ehsan> good!
# [21:55] <philor> heh, even my own comment 0 of the 3GB limit bug says it was intermittent last time too, I'd forgotten the part where I kicked patches out of the tree
# [21:55] <mak> ehsan: any reason status is closed instead of APPROVAL REQUIRED?
# [21:55] <@ehsan> but the code has to live there for now, I'm afraid
# [21:56] <mak> ehsan: so that people can use a=non-libxul?
# [21:56] <@ehsan> philor: yeah I remember the last time quite clearly
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# [21:56] <@ehsan> mak: I don't know if APPROVAL REQUIRED does anything to prevent pushes without a= in their commit message these days
# [21:56] <@ehsan> so let's keep it CLOSED for now
# [21:56] <mak> hm, it does afaik
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# [21:57] <@ehsan> mak: actually let's try it
# [21:57] <@ehsan> I have a patch which removes some code
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# [21:57] <mak> k
# [21:57] <mak> better than landing stuff with CLOSED TREE
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# [21:58] <tbsaunde> ehsan: so, what exactly can non libxul stuff use if anything from xpcom ish things?
# [22:00] <@ehsan> mak: yeah ok it works as expected, updated the status
# [22:00] <mak> tbsaunde: anything but cpp changes in files than end up linked into libxul.
# [22:00] <mak> tbsaunde: js, css, java, tests, external libs
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# [22:00] <firebot> Check-in:
# [22:00] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: none of the non-external APIs
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# [22:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/97e4a7b942cd - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 830765 - Remove the unneeded code which tracks the list of loaded modules because it is unused and can cause multi-second hangs; r=sicking a=removes-code-from-libxul
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# [22:02] <mfinkle> ehsan, are you ok with "a=android-only"
# [22:02] <@ehsan> mfinkle: absolutely
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# [22:03] <@ehsan> can somebody who's running win7 see if they can repro bug 833048?
# [22:03] <jimm> ehsan: winrt will add about 30MB
# [22:03] <tbsaunde> mak: no, I meant what is a hard blocker for not moving stuff out of libxul
# [22:03] <@ehsan> jimm: a-
# [22:04] <mak> tbsaunde: sorry, my misunderstanding
# [22:04] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: mostly ypu're looking for semi-independent libraries, etc
# [22:04] <@ehsan> things which are not using gecko internals
# [22:04] <mak> ehsan: it happened many times to me, when I'm using the pb window sometimes the other non-pb window comes up
# [22:05] <@ehsan> mak: can you reproduce?
# [22:05] <tbsaunde> ehsan: yeah
# [22:05] <mak> ehsan: I can reproduce but not with decent steps, though next time it happens I will try to note down what I did
# [22:05] <@ehsan> mak: that would be extremely helpful :)
# [22:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24ae2e2afebf - Jan Beich - Bug 832860 - <algorithm> is actually a C++ header; r=ehsan a=nonlibxul
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# [22:07] <froydnj> jimm: 30MB to libxul? wow
# [22:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5e93cc4237c - Mark Finkle - Bug 833050 - JS errors during startup r=kats a=android-only
# [22:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8cb1716f5d4 - Mark Finkle - Bug 831123 - Disable CSS error reporting by default on mobile r=blassey, r=jmaher a=android-only
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# [22:09] <@roc> I *hope* he meant 30MB to the linker memory usage
# [22:09] <jimm> froydnj: no, 30MB to 'linker max vsize'
# [22:09] <@ehsan> so di I
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# [22:10] <dhylands> So I'd like to land a b2g-only patch. Should I just put a=b2g-only in the commit on m-i?
# [22:10] <@ehsan> dhylands: sure
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# [22:11] <Callek> ooooo we're at the libxul limit *again* ??????
# [22:11] <Callek> that was fast
# [22:11] <mak> about 6 months
# [22:12] <froydnj> jimm: ah, that's much better :)
# [22:12] <@ehsan> yep :(
# [22:12] <Callek> does clang on win compare perf wise?
# [22:12] <Callek> (does it even work on win)
# [22:12] <@ehsan> Callek: it can't do codegen yet
# [22:13] <Callek> damn
# [22:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a3313ce63be0 - Dave Hylands - Bug 802423 - Updater needs to set oom_adj and nice appropriately. e=ehsan a=b2g-only
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# [22:17] <mak> ehsan: slightly edited the approval message to give hint about the default approval
# [22:17] <@ehsan> ok thanks
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# [22:18] <mak> I wonder if we should approve also on fx-team and services-central, since those merge to central
# [22:18] <mak> (less likely those add to libxul though)
# [22:19] <we11ington> Anyone know offhand how to apply CSS styles to synthetic documents? Particularly, through the JS layers?
# [22:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b06f986df020 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 832635 - Scale the motion event replay to match the dimensions of the device the replay is happening on. r=jmaher a=android-only
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# [22:23] <jesup> ehsan: I'm looking at media/webrtc/trunk - let me get a failing patch to do it and I'll see where we are. Part of why I haven't tried yet is my Windows box won't compile and link (libcmt problem somehow); I even uninstalled VS2010 and reinstalled from scratch, no luck. I can't even get through configure. (And I understood we still had some time)
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# [22:23] <jesup> I may need assistance from someone with a (fast-ish) working windows build setup
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# [22:27] <@ehsan> jesup: ok, thanks
# [22:27] <@ehsan> jesup: we have a box at the toronto office
# [22:27] <@ehsan> jesup: I'd be more than happy to create an account for you there
# [22:27] <@ehsan> it's reasonably fast
# [22:27] <jesup> ehsan: sure. How would I get it it?
# [22:28] <@ehsan> I'll ping
# [22:28] <@ehsan> you
# [22:28] <jesup> remote desktop?
# [22:28] <@ehsan> yeah
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# [22:41] <gal> ehsan: ping
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# [22:41] <gal> hey
# [22:41] <gal> PGO issue
# [22:41] <gal> can you fill me in
# [22:41] <@ehsan> yep
# [22:42] <gal> what are our options?
# [22:42] <@ehsan> sure
# [22:42] <@ehsan> in the long run?
# [22:42] <gal> can we kick off a short-term fix?
# [22:42] <@ehsan> or for the issue at hand?
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# [22:42] <gal> first short term
# [22:42] <gal> we need to move some stuff out
# [22:42] <@ehsan> yeah the short term fix is moving stuff out of libxul
# [22:42] <gal> lets identify victims, so we can re-open
# [22:42] <@ehsan> jesup is working on webrtc as we speak
# [22:42] <gal> and this time I will fix the long-term problem, I swear to god
# [22:42] * gal really doesn't want to do this a third time
# [22:42] <@ehsan> unfortunately I don't have any other candidates in my mind right now
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# [22:43] <@ehsan> gal: amen to that ;)
# [22:43] <jcranmer> gal: actually, this is the third time
# [22:43] <@ehsan> the thing is that I moved out everything I could think about the last time
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# [22:43] <gal> ehsan, can you email me re: long term fix
# [22:43] <jcranmer> first was the 2GB limit, second was the 3GB limit, this one is the 4GB limit
# [22:43] <@ehsan> yeah
# [22:43] <davidb> what is the long term fix?
# [22:44] <@ehsan> there were a bunch of ideas to be tried out in the last thread
# [22:44] <gal> not using PGO, or tools that don't OOM on us
# [22:44] <gal> would be my first two choices
# [22:44] <@ehsan> but eventually not doing PGO would be something to consider :(
# [22:44] <@ehsan> gal: those tools don't exist, unless we write them ;)
# [22:44] <davidb> heh
# [22:44] * @ehsan is serious
# [22:44] <gal> can we do portioned PGO-ing
# [22:45] <gal> PGO blobs we link together
# [22:45] <gal> across boundaries where we don't expect PGO to benefit us much
# [22:45] <@ehsan> that's one of the things that was suggested last time iirc
# [22:45] <gal> there has to be a way
# [22:45] <@ehsan> let me dig up the thread
# [22:45] <@smaug> BenWa: sorry, I'm about to upload a tiny bit different patch
# [22:45] <@roc> we can turn off PGO in selected modules of things that get linked into libxul, can't we?
# [22:45] <BenWa> smaug: Is it better :)?
# [22:46] <gal> lovely, lets not PGO SVG for starters
# [22:46] <@smaug> less code-duplication
# [22:46] <@roc> right
# [22:46] <@ehsan> roc: yeah that's another option
# [22:46] <BenWa> Alright even better then
# [22:46] <davidb> nice
# [22:46] <BenWa> I'd be great if you can do the right thing for GC timers as well like I did in part 2
# [22:46] <@ehsan> where does libvpx live?
# [22:46] <@smaug> BenWa: I have a patch to kill all the timers
# [22:46] <BenWa> I'm fixing a gfx font timer atm
# [22:46] <@ehsan> roc: do you know?
# [22:46] <BenWa> great
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# [22:46] <@roc> ehsan: also, do we have the option of pre-PGO-ing libraries independently
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# [22:46] <BenWa> smaug: Wait… al the timers?
# [22:47] <@roc> ?
# [22:47] <@smaug> BenWa: in that file
# [22:47] <BenWa> ohh ok
# [22:47] <@roc> ehsan: media/libvpx
# [22:47] <@ehsan> libvpx was mentioned in the last thread
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# [22:47] <@ehsan> roc: no, I mean, is it linked into libxul?
# [22:47] <@roc> I think not
# [22:47] * @ehsan checks
# [22:47] <@roc> definitely not
# [22:47] <@smaug> BenWa: so, do we really need to kill timers when "quit-application-forced" is notified, or is "xpcom-shutdown" enough?
# [22:48] <gal> ehsan, whats the eta for webrtc going out of libxul?
# [22:48] <BenWa> smaug: I'm not sure TBH I'm trying to decide which events I should use for this timer stuff
# [22:48] <@ehsan> gal: not sure. jesup: ^
# [22:48] <BenWa> smaug: It feels like maybe we should have a flag in the timer stuff that they by default don't fire during shutdown
# [22:48] <gal> jesup, do you need/have reviewers, anything else you could use to make this quicker?
# [22:49] <jesup> I left a configure.in option to force it out - but it will cause massive link errors that means adding hundreds of symbols to symbols.def.in
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# [22:49] <gal> you can sed and gawk your way through that I assume?
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# [22:49] <jesup> And it hasn't been tested with PeerConnection in this configuration.
# [22:49] <jesup> likely so
# [22:49] <BenWa> smaug: I think doing the fix for xpcom-shutdown isn't worth while cause we will exit(0) then
# [22:49] <@ehsan> jesup: perhaps the quickest fix would be to parse out the output of the linker and generate a new symbols.def.in file based on that?
# [22:50] <jesup> that's my plan
# [22:50] <@ehsan> good
# [22:50] <jesup> emacs keyboard macros perhaps :-)
# [22:50] <@ehsan> gal: let me poke around the code base to see if I can find any other victims...
# [22:50] <gal> ehsan: <3 thanks
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# [22:51] <@smaug> BenWa: I guess you mean after xpcom-shutdown?
# [22:51] <jesup> I wouldn't be shocked if this breaks things in webrtc, and I'm sure it will break our c++ unit tests
# [22:51] <BenWa> smaug: yes
# [22:51] <@smaug> BenWa: I'd assume most of io happening during xpcom-shutdown
# [22:51] <jcranmer> we have c++ unit tests? :-)
# [22:51] <@smaug> and spinning event loop there etc
# [22:51] <BenWa> smaug: So if we listen for that event we could receive the event last so it will still happen
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# [22:52] <jesup> jcranmer: We do. Most of Moz doesn't. Because they're a BITCH to use because of hidden symbols. Ted and Khuey have ideas.
# [22:52] <@smaug> hmm, trye
# [22:52] <@smaug> true
# [22:52] <jcranmer> we've had ideas for years
# [22:52] <BenWa> jesup: Compile unit tet within libxul!
# [22:52] <jcranmer> nothing comes of them
# [22:52] <@smaug> BenWa: we do have xpcom-will-shutdown
# [22:52] <BenWa> I have a working framework but people want to wait for gtest which isn't coming any time soon. bug 804057
# [22:53] <gal> ehsan: is freetype in libxul?
# [22:53] <BenWa> smaug: I don't see any harm in doing it in quit-application-granted
# [22:53] <jesup> BTW, IIRC PGO gets us only minor benefits (over incremental PGO at least, maybe at all) except for paths in the code the trace used for opt is taken from. So tons of our code isn't really getting full use of PGO anyways. (especially media code)
# [22:53] <gal> ehsan: libunwind in profiler?
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# [22:54] <BenWa> gal: libunwind is gone and the profiler isn't big
# [22:54] <gal> k
# [22:54] <gal> thanks
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# [22:54] <BenWa> We can but alone it wont be enough
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# [22:56] <gal> ehsan, everyone's favorite sqlite is already out of libxul right?
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# [22:56] <jesup> ehsan, bug with my older investigations was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768325
# [22:57] <@smaug> BenWa: I don't understand how your patch would actually work. GetShuttingDown doesn't seem to do quite what you want
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# [22:58] <@roc> jesup: dmandelin re-measured PGO impact in October. It's still massive.
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# [22:58] <@roc> I guess that doesn't really address your question
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# [22:58] <@roc> or conjecture
# [22:58] <@ehsan> gal: let me check
# [22:59] <gal> media/* has some stuff too that looks bigish and table heavy, libopus and friends
# [22:59] <jesup> roc: Option #2 from bug 768325 is interesting.
# [22:59] <@roc> gal: that's not in libxul
# [22:59] <gal> ok
# [22:59] <gal> cool
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# [22:59] <@ehsan> gal: it's actually in libxul!!!!
# [22:59] <firebot> Check-in:
# [22:59] <@roc> almost everything under media/ got moved out in the last round, or before
# [22:59] <@roc> it what?
# [22:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/33e8b01d811a - Daniel Holbert - Bug 832554: Add #ifdef guards around static functions in /gfx/thebes that aren't used on android, to fix android-only -Wunused-function build warnings. r=BenWa
# [22:59] <firebot> a=nonlibxul
# [23:00] <@ehsan> gal: I'll take libxul out
# [23:00] <@ehsan> I mean
# [23:00] <gal> ehsan, lets fix that, just for general hygiene
# [23:00] <@ehsan> sqlite out!
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# [23:00] <@ehsan> joe is working on imagelib stuff
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# [23:00] <jesup> put webrtc/trunk (and webrtc/signaling) in gkmedia, but make it a static lib linked with libxul WITHOUT PGO. We'd give up PGO on that (or perhaps PGO the static lib separately for any benefit it gives)
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# [23:00] <@smaug> BenWa: but ok, I'll use quit-application-granted
# [23:00] <tbsaunde> ehsan: I'm more or less free if you have ideas of stuff I should do
# [23:00] <mcsmurf> q about topic: libxul (again) too big on Windows because of PGO?
# [23:00] <@smaug> BenWa: ok to you?
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# [23:01] <gal> ehsan, sqlite is probably quicker than webrtc and we can reopen
# [23:01] <gal> let me know if you need help
# [23:01] <mak> ehsan: sqlite is already out of libxul
# [23:01] <mak> mozsqlite3.dll
# [23:01] <khuey> sqlite is not in libxul
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# [23:01] <khuey> please stop imagining things
# [23:01] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: I don't, but I'd appreciate if you can look around in a11y
# [23:01] <@roc> jesup: It would be interesting to measure PGO impact on stuff that's not in the PGO trace, but we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I've seen PGO-optimized code that's been heavily optimized in places I would have assumed were not hot.
# [23:02] <joe> yeah
# [23:02] <@ehsan> gal: sure. btw let's use bug 832992 as the tracking bug
# [23:02] <joe> i'm not enthusiastic about imagelib not being PGOed, but bfd
# [23:02] <jesup> roc: though that should get similar impact with separate PGO
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# [23:02] <tbsaunde> ehsan: a11y is more or less one big blob, and it uses dom stuff I'd really bet is MOZILLA_INTERNAL_API all over
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# [23:03] <@ehsan> khuey: is this the list of dynamic libs? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/library/Makefile.in#366
# [23:03] <khuey> if we can de-PGO individual directories a11y we should be near the top of the list
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# [23:03] <khuey> but splitting it out of libxul will be impossible
# [23:03] <tbsaunde> khuey: agreed on both
# [23:03] <@ehsan> khuey: can you teach me how to de-PGO a bunch of files so that I can experiment with that?
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# [23:03] <khuey> ehsan: that's the list of dynamic libs we link to, yes
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# [23:04] <khuey> ehsan: SQLITE_LIBS just consists of the import library
# [23:04] <@ehsan> khuey: gal: ok, sorry, I stand corrected
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# [23:04] <tbsaunde> khuey: hell it looks like getting rdf/ off of internal api is hard
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# [23:04] <@roc> why can't we just remove it
# [23:04] <khuey> roc: because legacy shit
# [23:04] <@ehsan> roc: browserstore.rdf
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# [23:04] <@ehsan> among other things
# [23:04] <mak> localstore.rdf
# [23:05] <@roc> gack
# [23:05] <khuey> ehsan: setting NO_PROFILE_GUIDED_OPTIMIZE=1 in a directory *should* cause us not to do PGO for the object files in that directory
# [23:05] <khuey> but I'm not certain
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# [23:05] <@ehsan> khuey: ok I'll look into it, thanks!
# [23:05] <gal> lets give it a try
# [23:05] <joe> huh wow
# [23:06] <gal> want to slap that into the top level and kick off a build to see whether it makes a difference?
# [23:06] <joe> that'd be nice
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# [23:06] <@ehsan> gal: yeah on it :)
# [23:06] <khuey> it doesn't propagate downwards
# [23:06] <@ehsan> I can add it to all subdirs
# [23:06] <gal> glandium said it does
# [23:06] <khuey> you have to set it in each individual makefile
# [23:06] <@ehsan> khuey: r=you on that?
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# [23:06] <khuey> ehsan: if it works, and its on things that we generally don't care about, sure
# [23:07] <glandium> khuey: there's defs.mk now, to inherit in subtrees
# [23:07] <khuey> gal: ah, yes, if you use the defs.mk trick
# [23:07] <khuey> ehsan: ^
# [23:07] <@ehsan> defs.mk?
# [23:07] <froydnj> lovely, ts_paint doesn't run locally on remote X server
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# [23:08] <glandium> ehsan: create a defs.mk file in any directory, and it will be automagically included in that directory's Makefile and all Makefiles in subdirectories
# [23:08] <@ehsan> ah I see
# [23:08] <@ehsan> glandium: are you around to review the patch?
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# [23:09] <glandium> ehsan: not very long
# [23:09] <khuey> glandium might sleep at some point :-P
# [23:09] <glandium> sooner rather than later :)
# [23:09] <joe> selfish monster
# [23:09] <@ehsan> glandium: the patch is ready!
# [23:09] <khuey> lol
# [23:10] <@ehsan> glandium: khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=704684&action=edit
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# [23:11] <khuey> r+
# [23:11] <jesup> ehsan: my option #2 from that bug: 2) Try linking gkmedia as a static non-PGO library with xul and measure memory use. (I.e. add -Gy- by defining NO_PROFILE_GUIDED_OPTIMIZE=1)
# [23:11] <tbsaunde> I really hope nobody objects to no pgo for rdf?
# [23:11] <@ehsan> khuey: thanks
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# [23:11] <khuey> fuck rdf!
# [23:11] <khuey> :-P
# [23:12] <joe> true story: that's how khuey says good morning every single day
# [23:12] <gaston> rewrite it in js!
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# [23:12] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: are you writing that patch or should I?
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# [23:13] <tbsaunde> ehsan: I will in a minute
# [23:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/298ae5add308 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 833097 - Stop doing PGO on a11y in the hopes of being able to reopen the tree; r=khuey a=depgo
# [23:13] <tbsaunde> (reading yours first)
# [23:13] <@smaug> BenWa: but sorry. I was really writing the patch at the same time you uploaded your patches
# [23:14] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: thanks, filed bug 833099
# [23:14] <glandium> btw, can we *finally* get those graphs on linker memory usage
# [23:14] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: you can just copy what I landed on inbound now :)
# [23:14] <@ehsan> glandium: perhaps this time people take things more seriouslu
# [23:14] <@ehsan> </wishful-thinking>
# [23:14] * khuey refrains for commenting on that
# [23:14] <khuey> *from
# [23:15] <BenWa> smaug: It's fine. If your confident in your patch just replace mine. I only spent 10 minutes on it
# [23:15] <jesup> Though I'd prefer option 1 (separately PGO'd library staticly linked with XUL)
# [23:15] <khuey> jesup: that's not possible
# [23:15] <khuey> glandium: does adding a deps.mk trigger a rebuild?
# [23:15] <@smaug> BenWa: functionality should be the same I guess
# [23:15] <glandium> khuey: mmmm might not
# [23:15] <@smaug> BenWa: but let's see what tryserver tells us
# [23:15] <BenWa> cool
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# [23:16] <khuey> ehsan: ^ maybe need to clobber
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# [23:16] <@ehsan> khuey: shoot, will do
# [23:17] <@ehsan> khuey: shall I wait and see if the builds magically succeed first?
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# [23:17] <khuey> up to you
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# [23:17] <@ehsan> hehe
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# [23:18] <jesup> khuey: yeah... kinda ironic
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# [23:18] <khuey> I suspect it may magically work just for PGO
# [23:18] <@ehsan> khuey: please feel free to go and be off for real :)
# [23:18] <khuey> because of the double pass stuff
# [23:18] <@ehsan> I can take care of things
# [23:18] * khuey shrugs
# [23:18] <khuey> I have nothing better to do
# [23:18] <devd> Hi, Is there a security guide for Firefox talking about whether its a good idea to show security warnings or not? I recall there being something about how we don't want to ask user
# [23:18] <devd> #security seems quiet today
# [23:19] <@roc> that is correct
# [23:19] <devd> roc: that was for me ?
# [23:19] <@roc> yes
# [23:19] <jesup> ehsan: how fast is that windows box? I've finally gotten to linking libxul on there (started with a default build)
# [23:20] <devd> roc: was there a document like that somewhere online ? I can't find anything
# [23:20] <glandium> khuey: please file a bug to add defs.mk to GLOBAL_DEPS
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# [23:20] <khuey> will do
# [23:20] <Callek> devd: fwiw today is a USA holiday, so you're missing a good chunk of people being around, obviously not all :-)
# [23:20] <glandium> thx
# [23:20] <@ehsan> jesup: I haven't done PGO builds there, but it has 16 physical cores :)
# [23:20] <@roc> devd: I don't know what's written down.
# [23:20] <@roc> but there are plenty of presentations by security people on this issue
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# [23:21] <devd> roc: yeah, I have lots of academic presentations/papers. I was gathering evidence to see if browsers have also internalized it (e.g., a non-academic page saying this would be great)
# [23:22] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: I have the patch here
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# [23:22] <@roc> the answer is definitely "yes", around here. I don't know of any page to cite.
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# [23:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/64a3e7d261dc - Joe Drew - Bug 833101 - Stop doing PGO on imagelib in the hopes of being able to reopen the tree; r=ehsan a=dePGO
# [23:23] <@roc> there are cases where we're stuck with a security warning of some kind because we can't think of anything better.
# [23:23] <jesup> ehsan: I'm about 27 minutes into building and still going ("./mach build" - I usually have aliases for pymake and .mozconfigs). Aha done, 28:03
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# [23:23] <@ehsan> ah
# [23:23] <tbsaunde> ehsan: not sure what you mean
# [23:23] <@roc> but at least then we try to make the warning non-modal and default to safe
# [23:23] <@ehsan> jesup: try redirecting the stdout to a file?
# [23:23] <devd> roc: cool. thanks for your time: it was a long shot that there would be something written down
# [23:23] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: the rdf patch, I have it here
# [23:23] <@ehsan> I wanna trigger builds soon
# [23:23] <@ehsan> sorry
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# [23:24] <tbsaunde> ehsan: ah, I thought I pushed it
# [23:24] <tbsaunde> np whatever
# [23:24] <@ehsan> nope
# [23:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2254b555a0af - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 833099 - Stop doing PGO on rdf; r+a=me
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# [23:25] <tbsaunde> weird
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# [23:26] <glandium> just for fun: linker vmax size on current m-r: 3630772224, m-b: 3736735744, m-a: 3880534016, m-c: 3966951424
# [23:26] <glandium> that's growing *fast*
# [23:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6025bc9ec1d8 - Christian Holler - Bug 832989 - Disable compiled test TestPoisonArea under ASan (incompatible). r=dbaron, a=nonlibxul
# [23:27] <glandium> at that pace, if we get it down 100M, we're back to having problems in 6 weeks
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# [23:30] <@ehsan> jesup: so hold on, instead of ripping webrtc out, perhaps we can just exclude it from PGO?
# [23:30] <glandium> wait what? webrtc is not in gkmedias anymore?
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# [23:32] <glandium> erf, and i reviewed that patch
# [23:33] <khuey> heh
# [23:33] <froydnj> glandium: as penance, you get to stay up reviewing ehsan's fix-the-tree patches!
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# [23:34] <ekr> ehsan: how do I apply for approval for patches which shouldn't affect memory size?
# [23:35] <ekr> Or is the sense "we're busy, don't mess with us"?
# [23:35] <mak> ekr: a=nonlibxul
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# [23:35] <ekr> mak sorry, can you expand on that?
# [23:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bd85ddd4cb5a - Mark Finkle - Bug 827250 - Wallpaper over the WallpaperManager crash r=kats a=android-only
# [23:36] <@ehsan> ekr: if the code is not inside libxul, just land it
# [23:36] <@ehsan> and I will back you out if you cheat :P
# [23:36] <ekr> regrettably, it is in PeerConnection
# [23:36] <mak> ekr: if you are sure that your patch is not inside libxul just add a=nonlibxul to the commit message and land
# [23:36] <ekr> So, I guess I just wait.
# [23:36] <ekr> Thanks.
# [23:36] <@ehsan> ekr: then you can't land, sorry
# [23:36] <ekr> that's ok. Just wanted to make sure I understood the rules
# [23:37] <@ehsan> yeah not a problem :)
# [23:37] <mak> well, PeerConnection.js?
# [23:37] <ekr> sorry, no inside SIPCC
# [23:37] <ekr> (i.e., media/webrtc/signaling/src/..../fsmdef.c
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# [23:39] <@roc> ehsan: ripping WebRTC out is better because then it can be PGOed
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# [23:40] <@ehsan> roc: ok. chances are that what we have on inbound now is enough of a mitigation for a short while
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# [23:42] <jesup> roc: disabling PGO for it is faster - and I'm uncertain it actually will hurt us a lot to not be PGO'd. The primary perf-critical stuff is libvpx (separate already in gkmedia), libyuv (in webrtc/trunk, does scaling, but is already SSE2 optimized so probably PGO gets little). The network paths are probably a little critical, but not compared to video
# [23:44] <glandium> roc: note webrtc is not PGOed anyways
# [23:44] <glandium> it takes advantage of ltcg, but that's all
# [23:45] <glandium> reminder: PGO = *Profile* guided optimizations ; LTCG is link time code generation
# [23:45] <glandium> the profile we run for PGO doesn't run any webrtc code
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# [23:46] <jesup> Right. Our profiles (last I knew) didn't hit any of the media code except maybe jpg/etc (I'm not an expert on what's in the profiles)
# [23:46] <@smaug> glandium: curious, is it easy to check what all code is pgo'ed
# [23:46] <mounir> dbaron: IE10 uses a pseudo-class :'(
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# [23:47] <@smaug> glandium: ... we should make sure GC and CC code gets pgo'ed, if pgo helps there
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# [23:48] <glandium> smaug: the pgo script is build/pgo/profileserver.py, all it does is run Fx with build/pgo/index.html
# [23:48] <glandium> which runs a few pages
# [23:48] <jesup> glandium: so, adding NO_PROFILE_GUIDED_OPTIMIZE=1 shouldn't hurt us much for webrtc/trunk, right? Some yes, but.... At least until we can get it into gkmedia and resolve the issues (we know it's going to kill our unit tests)
# [23:48] <@smaug> ah, that might be enough then
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# [23:49] <glandium> smaug: yeah, i think it does enough work to trigger GC/CC a few times
# [23:49] <glandium> we should really add stuff to that profile script
# [23:49] <@roc> we should get some canvas in ther
# [23:49] <@smaug> very much js-focused
# [23:50] <@smaug> we should try to get a tinderbox-log there :)
# [23:50] <@ehsan> roc: we should just modernize the pgo pages
# [23:50] <@smaug> and html spec
# [23:50] <@ehsan> and put things that actually matter in them
# [23:50] <glandium> roc: there's come canvas in 3d-raytrace
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# [23:51] <@roc> so there is. Good
# [23:51] <jesup> smaug: We should load facebook, amazon, cnn, bbc, twitter, imgur, and some HTML5 game... And for fun a tbpl log. :-)
# [23:51] <@roc> Sunspider matters
# [23:52] <jesup> And play a video from youtube or something
# [23:52] <@smaug> jesup: should not be overly English-speaking-world focused
# [23:52] <jesup> yeah
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# [23:52] <@ehsan> roc: iirc we don't PGO the js engine at all
# [23:53] <@ehsan> so sunspider actually doesn't matter!
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# [23:54] <jesup> I was only being half-serious, my point was to hit a wide swath of code; non-english matters some (not tons I imagine) for font issues.
# [23:54] <khuey> there's a world that doesn't speak english?
# [23:54] <KWierso|Home> khuey: alabama
# [23:54] <karl> i doubt pgo wins us much in widget/windows (but that's not a lot of code, either)
# [23:54] <khuey> KWierso++
# [23:54] <@ehsan> khuey: آره
# [23:55] <khuey> is that the look of disapproval?
# [23:55] <khuey> irssi garbled it
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# [23:55] <@ehsan> oh
# [23:55] <@ehsan> khuey: http://grab.by/jcQq
# [23:56] <@ehsan> khuey: (basically I just said "yeah" ;)
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# [23:56] <khuey> ok idk what that's supposed to be :-P
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# [23:56] <glandium> ehsan: i think we do pgo the js engine now
# [23:57] <@ehsan> oh
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# [23:57] <@ehsan> glandium: how can we verify that, out of curiosity?
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# [23:58] <glandium> ehsan: check the build flags in the logs? at least, there's no NO_PROFILE_GUIDED_OPTIMIZE or related variable in js/src/Makefile.in
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