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# Session Start: Tue Jan 22 00:00:00 2013
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# [00:01] <jesup> glandium/ehsan/etc: So, does it make sense to temporarily disable PGO in webrtc/trunk? Last I checked, that was like a 600MB win
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# [00:01] <glandium> jesup: yes
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# [00:01] <@ehsan> jesup: let me do that!
# [00:01] <jesup> Then lets' do that, open the tree, and deal with the problem in a less firedrill manner
# [00:02] <@ehsan> jesup: on it
# [00:03] <@ehsan> hmm
# [00:03] <@ehsan> glandium: so the webrtc makefiles are generated, right?
# [00:03] <@ehsan> I'm not sure where to put the defs.mk file
# [00:03] <jesup> mozmake.py
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# [00:04] <@ehsan> jesup: ./media/webrtc/trunk/tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/generator/mozmake.py ?
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# [00:04] <glandium> ehsan: the webrtc makefiles still use the standard rules, so you can put the defs.mk in media/webrtc
# [00:04] <@ehsan> ok great!
# [00:04] <@ehsan> glandium: thanks
# [00:04] <jesup> yes, though that gets used for media/webrtc/signaling and other too
# [00:04] <jesup> see glandiums
# [00:05] <jesup> If we can keep it on for signaling, I'd like that - but we can come back to that as well
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# [00:05] <jesup> so whatever gets us open, and file followups
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# [00:05] <@ehsan> jesup: I'll disable it wholesale for now and will file that follow-up
# [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/358793835d8b - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 833118 - Disable PGO on webrtc; a=me
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# [00:06] <jesup> My windows builds shows WEBRTC_IN_XUL= has some bitrot (other modules ended up coming for the ride into gkmedia that didn't want to be there)
# [00:08] <jesup> So it will take a small bit of work to untangle and make the separation clean again. (I *think* it may just be "nicer" and "nrappkit" that went along for the ride)
# [00:08] <jesup> ekr: ^
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# [00:09] <tbsaunde> so, who knows things about windowsds?
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# [00:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3bc030b6ee8f - Dão Gottwald - Bug 813550 - Location bar's placeholder in an RTL chrome should be aligned on the right. r=ehsan a=nonlibxul
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# [00:24] <decoder> what component would the startupcache be?
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# [00:26] <aja> libxul mem limit hit again?
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# [00:27] <aja> n/m.... just refreshed tree status page
# [00:27] <aja> :(
# [00:28] <@ehsan> aja: yep :(
# [00:28] <@ehsan> roc: ping
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# [00:28] <@roc> hi
# [00:28] <@ehsan> hey
# [00:29] <@ehsan> so about ScriptProcessorNode
# [00:29] <@ehsan> the part that I don't want us to implement is writing things to the output buffer
# [00:29] <@ehsan> i.e., audio generation on the main thread ;)
# [00:29] <@ehsan> I guess we can implement the event without the output buffer attribute
# [00:29] <@ehsan> but that would break content which relies on ScriptProcessorNode in a bad way
# [00:30] <@ehsan> would it not?
# [00:30] <@roc> Grant Galitz and others will argue that audio output on the main thread is necessary
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# [00:31] <@ehsan> I guess they would :(
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# [00:31] <SentryOfFreedom> Hello room, can any one help me attempt to tackle my first bug?
# [00:31] <philor> ehsan: rdf bustage
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# [00:31] <@ehsan> roc: how much do you think we can resist this in practice?
# [00:31] <@ehsan> philor: oh damn
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# [00:32] <@roc> ehsan: I'm not sure we should resist it to be honest
# [00:32] <@ehsan> why?
# [00:32] <@ehsan> khuey: glandium: ping?
# [00:32] <khuey> ehsan: hi
# [00:33] <@roc> until workers get much further along, a best-effort way to write audio from the main thread is extremely useful
# [00:33] <@ehsan> khuey: hey, would you mind looking at the PGO bustage on inbound and tell me if I'm crazy?
# [00:33] <@ehsan> khuey: what's that gcov stuff there in the log?
# [00:33] <@ehsan> roc: what do you mean by workers getting further along?
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# [00:34] <khuey> ugh linux
# [00:34] <KWierso|Home> SentryOfFreedom: wassup
# [00:34] <@roc> more functionality
# [00:34] <@roc> the point is right now there's a lot of things that you need to do on the main thread
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# [00:34] <SentryOfFreedom> Not much just trying to brush up on my dying development skills by volunteering on some bug fixes
# [00:35] <khuey> crap
# [00:35] <@roc> not being able to write audio from the main thread makes life more difficult, if the audio needs to be coordinated with those main-thread things
# [00:35] <@roc> gotta got to lunch
# [00:35] <@ehsan> I see
# [00:35] <@roc> how come I've disabled the Gecko Profiler addon and the UI still shows up
# [00:35] <@ehsan> roc: ok, if you don't think it's that terrible of an idea, perhaps I can convince myself somehow :/
# [00:35] <khuey> ehsan: I bet the problem is that we're linking things that were built with the PGO flags without them for whatever this RDF thing is
# [00:35] <SentryOfFreedom> KWierso|Home i am thinking about bug 603659
# [00:35] <@ehsan> khuey: gah
# [00:35] <@ehsan> khuey: I'll just backout that patch for now I guess :(
# [00:35] <khuey> wtf is rdfcat?
# [00:36] <@ehsan> who can tell?
# [00:36] <@roc> ehsan: put it this way, it's not enough of a bad idea for me to want to spend much energy fighting it
# [00:36] <@ehsan> roc: hehe, ok
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# [00:36] <@ehsan> roc: don't wanna hold you up, you should go and have lunch :)
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# [00:36] <@roc> I say that as someone who generally doesn't mind spending energy fighting bad ideas :-)
# [00:36] <tbsaunde> khuey: a thing we don't use for anything that afaik
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# [00:37] <@ehsan> roc: fair enough
# [00:37] <tbsaunde> I tried to remove it but pike was ok with mot building it but didn't want to remove it from the tree and I didn't want to leave stuff we didn't built in the tree
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# [00:39] <KWierso|Home> SentryOfFreedom: in that case, I'd just Cc yourself to that bug and say that you'd like to take a stab at it
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# [00:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/539e033ad1d6 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out changeset 2254b555a0af (bug 833099) because of PGO bustage
# [00:39] <KWierso|Home> though it hasn't had any comments in over a year now, so maybe it isn't worth pursuing it
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# [00:39] <KWierso|Home> SentryOfFreedom: have you seen http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/ ?
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# [00:40] <SentryOfFreedom> KWierso|Home I have, but I didn't know if I needed to stay the [Good first Bug] realm
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# [00:40] <KWierso|Home> I think [mentored=SOMEONESNAME] is the new style
# [00:41] <SentryOfFreedom> KWierso|Home ah ok, that helps. That makes sense because most of that stuff with the good first bug tag was old and not really worthwhile
# [00:42] <SentryOfFreedom> Ok I will try to look around and find some worth starting with
# [00:42] <KWierso|Home> SentryOfFreedom: you might also hop over to #introduction
# [00:43] <KWierso|Home> oh. you have. :)
# [00:43] <SentryOfFreedom> Ok will do thanks for the help
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# [00:49] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: what about windowds?
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# [00:50] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: mostly trying to understand why we need it
# [00:50] <glandium> ehsan: pgo needs to be enabled when linking libraries/programs which contains at least one object built with pgo enabled
# [00:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/109d927c0696 - Christian Holler - Bug 797900 - Disable invalid-size-second-frame crashtest under AddressSanitizer. r=dbaron, a=nonlibxul
# [00:50] <tbsaunde> it seems like a hash map in js string -> nsIDOMWindow would work just as as well
# [00:51] <@ehsan> glandium: oh, so rdf is pulling in something which is built with pgo?
# [00:51] <glandium> ehsan: mozglue and memory, apparently
# [00:51] <@ehsan> ah
# [00:51] <tbsaunde> khuey: bug 778777 fwiw
# [00:51] <@ehsan> glandium: wouldn't that also be the case with everything else?
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# [00:52] <glandium> ehsan: there's no PROGRAM or SHARED_LIBRARY built in image or accessibility
# [00:52] <@ehsan> oh
# [00:53] <@ehsan> that's what you meant when you said "libraries/programs" :)
# [00:53] <@ehsan> nm, carry on :)
# [00:53] <khuey> tbsaunde: huh?
# [00:53] <khuey> tbsaunde: oh, right
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# [00:53] <glandium> ehsan: note another way to look at it is that we don't need to disable pgo for those on linux...
# [00:54] <@ehsan> right
# [00:54] <glandium> ehsan: you could just ifeq ($(OS_TARGET),WINNT) in the defs.mk you added
# [00:54] <@ehsan> glandium: ok, I'll just do that then :)
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# [00:56] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: also is there any reason we build windowds on !mac?
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# [00:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/830cb30c2e1e - Ehsan Akhgari - Follow-up for bug 833097, bug 833101 and bug 833118 - Only disable PGO on the modules in question on Windows, a=me
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# [00:57] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: non-m-c consumers, you know :-P
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# [00:58] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: for which part? !m-c uses it on non mac? or they use it as more than a hash map?
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# [00:59] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: not sure what you mean by a hash map
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# [01:00] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: well, afaik the one consumer in m-c macWindowMenu.js just uses windowds to map from a string to dom windows
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# [01:02] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: given that my questions would be 1 can we just replace it with a js map, and if not can we mac it mac only? so I'm not sure which half of that "because of non m-c consumers" refers to
# [01:02] <decoder> BenWa: I posted a new stack in the startupcache bug, maybe that helps you =)
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# [01:02] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: you're missing the http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/content/macWindowMenu.inc#16 part
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# [01:05] <decoder> froydnj: ping
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# [01:13] <froydnj> decoder: pong
# [01:13] <decoder> froydnj: nevermind, you already responded in the bug
# [01:13] <decoder> froydnj: thanks for looking into this! =)
# [01:13] <decoder> helps me getting the tree green
# [01:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c56910fa445 - Brian Hackett - Bug 832329 - Improve analysis of definite properties for 'new' scripts, r=jandem, a=nonlibxul.
# [01:14] <froydnj> decoder: I'll whip together a patch for the opt bug. the debug one looks like an asan bug
# [01:14] <decoder> froydnj: okay ill give the opt patch a try and see if the debug one persists. Ive never hit the debug one anywhere before
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# [01:20] <froydnj> decoder: it's kind of surprising the debug one hasn't come up before, 'cause it looks like an asan bug
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# [01:20] <froydnj> unless the linker is *supposed* to try resolving PLT relocations locally first
# [01:21] * decoder cannot answer that one ^^
# [01:21] <decoder> if the debug one persists, ill ask espindola and try to ping asan devs about it
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# [01:21] <decoder> overall, the opt one is the blocking one because we're doing tests on opt-only right now
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# [01:24] <froydnj> yeah, I think the linker's right here and asan is at fault
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# [01:27] <decoder> froydnj: can you put that in a comment in the bug so I have something to pass on to others? maybe that helps diagnosing the problem for them
# [01:27] <decoder> ah thx
# [01:27] <decoder> nevermind ;)
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# [01:42] <timeless> tbsaunde: your hashmap would keep all windows alive forever, right?
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# [01:50] <decoder> froydnj: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2077108 did you get this too? I can try a clobber build if you want
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# [01:53] <froydnj> decoder: hm. honestly, I didn't try running tests
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# [01:53] <froydnj> decoder: I think that just means the test/code has been broken all this time =/
# [01:54] <decoder> heh, good times^^
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# [01:59] <froydnj> decoder: ...and that's why we do static analyses
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# [02:10] <tbsaunde> timeless: presumably you'd avoid that iirc nsGlobalWindow is a weak refable thing, or you could use a js weak map or something
# [02:10] <tbsaunde> timeless: presumably you'd avoid that iirc nsGlobalWindow is a weak refable thing, or you could use a js weak map or something
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# [02:31] <decoder> froydnj: as you suspected, the debug issue remains. ill ping espindola about this
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# [02:52] <ewong> I'm building SeaMonkey release and came across this build error using pymake : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2077231
# [02:53] <ewong> "Expansion of variables 'nsinstall_is_usable':1:0:1:61:61:$(eval) not allowed via recursive expansion after parsing is finished"
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# [03:03] <jesup|mac> ekr: not time-critical anymore
# [03:03] <jesup|mac> ekr: I'll deal with it offline
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# [09:44] <glandium> linker max vsize: 3470159872 nice
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# [09:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ca1e2e40a06 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 830885 - Factor out interpreter/debugger exception unwinding code. r=jorendorff a=nonlibxul
# [09:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8116ecda192a - Jan de Mooij - Bug 832950 - Remove frame annotations from SpiderMonkey. r=luke a=nonlibxul
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# [10:01] <KWierso|Home> hsivonen: just filed bug 833266
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# [10:02] <hsivonen> KWierso|Home: thanks
# [10:02] <gaston> i have a crash at startup with lots of threads in XRE_AddJarManifestLocation - is it in the codepath of loading plugins at startup ?
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# [10:11] <gaston> ah no XRE_AddJarManifestLocation seems to be in the codepath loading xpi extensions
# [10:12] <gaston> any known bug on file with ffx 18.0 re extensions loading ?
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# [10:31] <gaston> where can i find the top startup crash signatures ? socorro ?
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# [10:44] <gfritzsche> gaston: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox, report: top crashers
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# [10:49] <kk1fff> dougt: ping
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# [10:51] <gaston> gfritzsche: thx
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# [10:51] <gaston> hmpf the crash-stats mostly only have records for windows...
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# [10:54] <Standard8> gaston: windows is something like 90% of our users...
# [10:54] <Standard8> and not all linux distros submit crashes
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# [10:55] <gfritzsche> you can restrict by platform though at the top
# [10:57] <gaston> yeah saw that, but i didnt found a crash related to mine
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# [10:57] <gaston> so once again i'll have to fight an obscure openbsd/i386-only crash :)
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# [10:58] <gfritzsche> Oh, sounds like fun :/
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# [11:00] <gaston> and add to that the switch from gcc to clang at the same time...
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# [11:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bedb55033fe7 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 831750 - GC: testConservativeGC jsapi test fails with rooting analysis r=terrence a=nonlibxul
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# [12:36] <ferjm> hi! may I add myself the a=nonlibxul or do I need to ask someone else for approval?
# [12:36] <bholley> ferjm: you can do it yourself if the patch is non-lixbul
# [12:36] <ferjm> bholley, ok, thanks :)
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# [12:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/23e803630aca - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 832951 - [WebPayment] Expose DOMRequest ID within mozChromeEvents; r=fabrice, a=nonlibxul
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# [13:35] <mounir> glandium: so, anything that adds stuff to libxul, even a few lines can't go to m-i?
# [13:35] <glandium> mounir: that's the current rule
# [13:35] <mounir> sic
# [13:36] <glandium> although we're now down to 3.4G, we could probably reopen. edmorley ?
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# [13:36] * mounir wants to land a few lines of C++ in content/html/
# [13:36] <mounir> nothing that will kill PGO
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# [13:37] <edmorley> glandium: not sure
# [13:37] <tbsaunde> glandium: --disable-webgl or --disable-webrtc?
# [13:37] <edmorley> glandium: I also don't yet have my laptop working so no ssh keys, so can't back anything out etc, so someone else needs to own it for now
# [13:37] <glandium> mounir: i'm pretty sure it's possible to make the linker use much more memory with just one line of code
# [13:38] <mounir> glandium: ok
# [13:38] <mounir> I guess I can just wait
# [13:38] <glandium> tbsaunde: err, webrtc
# [13:39] <glandium> mounir: obviously, it depends what the code is, i'm not saying very line of code can make the linker bump its memory usage
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# [13:46] <edmorley> does anyone know if we have win8 isos/keys for devs?
# [13:47] <edmorley> (before I file a service-now request)
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# [13:49] <Unfocused> edmorley: afaik, we do, and you need to file a service-now request to get one
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# [13:50] <edmorley> Unfocused: ok, thank you :-)
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# [14:00] <jesup> glandium: ping
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# [14:09] <jesup> glandium: (and ehsan when available) So I checked the comments in bug 768325. 670MB was how much adding ALL of gkmedia to libxul added to vsize (last June) - not just webrtc. So I doubt you'll get more than a small amount back additional by removing it from libxul (over turning off PGO)
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# [14:09] <jesup> My off-the-cuff mention of 600MB was incorrect (I'd skimmed the bug briefly at the time)
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# [14:11] <mak> edmorley: sure, just file a ticket
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# [14:13] <edmorley> mak: yeah filed one now :-)
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# [14:28] <glazou> I just released bluegriffon 1.6 :-)
# [14:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/275fdd66aa4c - Marco Bonardo - Bug 619623 - Wait for the WAL checkpoint in case that helps avoiding the intermittent failure in test_IHistory.cpp
# [14:31] <Yoric> Where should I file bugs about the Application Cache?
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# [14:31] <Yoric> glazou: congratulations :)
# [14:31] <glazou> big changes even if it's a minor number change
# [14:31] <Yoric> I have "Type error: Can't access dead object" when attempting to use Application Cache.
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# [14:42] <@bz> Yoric: That error means you're chrome code touching JS objects that come from a now-unloaded web page
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# [14:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef3ed8dd4726 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 831754 part 2 - Add patchable call instruction, x86/x64 part. r=dvander a=nonlibxul
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# [14:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cec0e9df1d2c - Jan de Mooij - Bug 832373 part 2 - Refactor initExecuteFrame to use AbstractFramePtr. r=luke a=nonlibxul
# [14:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7b78d418a1e - Jan de Mooij - Bug 831754 part 1 - Add patchable call instruction, ARM part. r=mjrosenb a=nonlibxul
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# [14:53] <jesup|mac> glandium: ping
# [14:53] <Yoric> bz: Well, _I_ am not :)
# [14:53] <jesup|mac> ehsan_zzz: ping
# [14:53] <Yoric> bz: But then, someone might be doing this on my behalf.
# [14:53] <glandium> jesup|mac: pong
# [14:53] <ehsan_zzz> jesup|mac: hi
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# [14:54] <glandium> ehsan: hey, morning
# [14:54] <jesup|mac> SO, you saw my comment in the bug? 600MB was an illusion based on skimming
# [14:54] <ehsan> oh
# [14:54] <jesup|mac> I don't think you'll get much if anything more back
# [14:54] <jesup|mac> 670MB was for ALL of gkmedia
# [14:54] <ehsan> that's bad news
# [14:54] <ehsan> oh I see
# [14:54] <jesup|mac> (including webrtc)
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# [14:55] <ehsan> ok
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# [14:55] <ehsan> but it seems like we've reduced our memory usage by ~500MB now anyways
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# [14:56] <jesup|mac> So, 200MB for turning off PGO on webrtc is pretty good.
# [14:56] <ehsan> ok I see
# [14:56] <ehsan> glandium also said something similar on the list
# [14:56] <jesup|mac> So, do we open? And how do we avoid this becoming an ever-more frequent firedrill (without any major pieces left to expel!)
# [14:57] <ehsan> there is one PGO build which has failed
# [14:57] <ehsan> and somebody retrigered it
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# [14:57] <jesup|mac> i.e. we need a permanent solution this time
# [14:57] <mak> we have a bug to track the vsize automatically
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# [14:57] <ehsan> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=19006659&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [14:57] <mak> vsize increases may be handled like other regressions
# [14:57] <ehsan> mak: we do have the _bug_, since last time
# [14:57] <ehsan> not that it helped at all
# [14:57] <jesup|mac> mak: I think we've pulled all the ripcords we have easily in our arsenal
# [14:58] <ehsan> mak: bug 710840
# [14:58] <mak> yes, it should become a priority
# [14:58] <ehsan> mak: tell me about it ;)
# [14:58] <mak> hum?
# [14:59] <ehsan> mak: this bug was filed the last time we hit the limit
# [14:59] <ehsan> and it is still open now
# [14:59] <jesup|mac> you can't tell people not to add code to the tree.... well you can, but development will slow a lot ;-)
# [14:59] <mak> well you can tell "your patch increases vsize by 200MB, may we evaluate alternatives? does it need PGO? can it go to an external lib?"
# [15:00] <ehsan> right
# [15:00] <ehsan> all we have are bad options
# [15:00] <mak> ehsan: that's not my fault :) I mean, it's just matter of reaching some project manager and ask them to prioritize it
# [15:00] <ehsan> we should pick the least evil
# [15:00] <jesup|mac> external libs are tough because of symbol vis and MOZILLA_INTERNAL_API
# [15:00] <ehsan> mak: oh I didn't say it was, I'm just frustrated... sorry!
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# [15:00] <gaston> "if you add code, you must remove existing rotten code"
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# [15:00] <mak> or hire someone to write a 64 bit linker that can link and pgo 32 bit libraries
# [15:00] <mak> on Win
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# [15:01] <ehsan> so here's what I suggest
# [15:01] <jesup|mac> gaston: that would be fun for a while - and produce interesting fireworks
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# [15:01] <ehsan> let's wait and see if that retriggered failed PGO build will go green
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# [15:01] <ehsan> and then re-open
# [15:01] <ehsan> we should know in ~2 hours
# [15:01] <mak> we are defining Q1 goals, make this automated tracking a Q1 goal for releng...
# [15:02] <ehsan> I just made the bug a blocker
# [15:02] <ehsan> not sure what else I can do to influence priorities etc
# [15:02] <mak> ehsan: btw, I suggested other 2 possible code pieces in the bug... and I'm not sure I like disabling pgo on storage, since we cared so much about its perf in the past...
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# [15:03] <ehsan> mak: do the PGO pages do things which even examine it? I really doubt that they do
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# [15:03] <ehsan> mak: the thing is that if a module is not examined during the profiling stage, it will not benefit from PGO by definition
# [15:03] <mak> ehsan: not sure what you mean, I don't have any valuable data to tell how much pgo helps, if any at all... do we have a way to tell?
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# [15:04] <mak> missing data, looks like we are just shooting in the crowd... some shoots are clearly fine (stuff that doesn't need pgo clearly), other is unclear, like storage or imglib (imo, but as I said, I have no data)
# [15:04] <ehsan> mak: one easy way is to compare the performance of a regular opt build with a PGO build (before my patch yesterday) and see if there is any perf difference noticeable
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# [15:05] <ehsan> mak: but I agree with your concern about the lack of data
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# [15:06] <mak> that's what our talos tests were supposed to do, though as you know after many years we still lack "good" talos tests, there's a reason, it's hard to evaluate perf difference, unless you write a specific benchmark that in the end evaluates just a small piece
# [15:06] <jesup|mac> ehsan: doesn't code that isn't in the profile still benefit from link-time generation optimizations in PGO?
# [15:07] <jesup|mac> glandium: ^
# [15:07] <ehsan> jesup|mac: sure, but then it doesn't matter whether PGO was enabled on that module or not
# [15:07] <ehsan> because we do LTCG anyways
# [15:07] <jesup|mac> ah, ok
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# [15:13] <JosiahOne> Anyone here able to run a try build for me? Hopefully this is my last day requesting this.
# [15:13] <JosiahOne> If so, just use the two patches here --> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817074
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# [15:18] <glandium> ehsan: that bug was not opened the last time we hit the limit.
# [15:18] <glandium> it was opened the time *before* that
# [15:18] <glandium> (iirc)
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# [15:19] <ehsan> heh
# [15:21] <glandium> ehsan: LTCG/PGO are enabled together
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# [15:21] <glandium> and LTCG is, iirc, what sucks most memory
# [15:21] <glandium> (istr i tried to disable PGO but not LTCG last time, and it wasn't doing any good)
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# [15:24] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Ping?
# [15:25] <Ms2ger> Heya
# [15:25] <JosiahOne> Do you think you could start another try build for me? Please? ^
# [15:25] <Ms2ger> Sure
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# [15:25] <JosiahOne> The link is up above.
# [15:25] <JosiahOne> Thanks!
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# [15:26] <glandium> froydnj: ltcg complexity :-p
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# [15:27] <glandium> froydnj: msvc being a black-box...
# [15:27] <glandium> maybe it's time to invest in clang on windows
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# [15:28] <froydnj> glandium: it wouldn't be perfect, but if you could say "oh, adding all these virtual functions + calls caused 10M increase" or somesuch
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# [15:29] <edmorley> froydnj: not doing pgo per push makes that kind of granularity hard sadly
# [15:29] <froydnj> edmorley: yeah :( and we are or aren't transmitting vsize numbers to graphserver?
# [15:30] <Ms2ger> JosiahOne, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=7b2ddeccd9e3
# [15:30] <ehsan> glandium: afaik, in msvc, pgo implies ltcg
# [15:30] <edmorley> froydnj: not until bug 710840
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# [15:30] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Thanks you very much.
# [15:30] <froydnj> edmorley: doh
# [15:30] <Ms2ger> Np
# [15:30] <glandium> ehsan: yes, but you can do ltcg without pgo
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# [15:30] <ehsan> sure, but not the reverse
# [15:30] <glandium> ehsan: and the way we build, disabling pgo disables ltcg
# [15:30] <edmorley> froydnj: we can still scrape logs (periodic pgo builds for last 30 days; nightly pgo since we first started outputting the figure)
# [15:30] <glandium> what sucks memory is ltcg anyways
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# [15:31] <froydnj> edmorley: are those logs easily accessible (ftp.mozilla.org)?
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# [15:32] <Ms2ger> JosiahOne, I can see that :)
# [15:32] <edmorley> froydnj: yes, just URLs a bit varied since uses the hour the build was built, but nothing that can't be worked around
# [15:33] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: See what?
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# [15:33] <Ms2ger> * Received a CTCP TIME from JosiahOne
# [15:33] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Oh yeah. :)
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# [15:34] <edmorley> froydnj: eg http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win32-pgo/1358777195/mozilla-central-win32-pgo-bm25-build1-build363.txt.gz
# [15:35] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: I wanted to know if you were in my time zone.
# [15:35] <Ms2ger> Well, am I? :)
# [15:35] <froydnj> what are those crazy numbers? epoch timestamps?
# [15:35] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Yep.
# [15:35] <Ms2ger> froydnj, buildbot IDs, I think
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# [15:35] <edmorley> oh yeah it's just the thinderbox logs that use hour
# [15:36] <edmorley> s/th/t/
# [15:36] <JosiahOne> M2ger: Oh, and I was trying to figure out how Colloquy works,
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# [15:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a9c77e3dd141 - Josh Matthews - Bug 830066 - Use proper document for dropping links on toolkit download UI. r=mak a=akeybl
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# [15:37] <edmorley> froydnj: err that's the wrong log even, I meant to post the nightly ones
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# [15:38] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Yikes, your try build is huge. What is it, like every platform?
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# [15:38] <Ms2ger> Yeah
# [15:38] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Okay. That works.
# [15:38] <Ms2ger> I'd better cancel some before edmorley hears
# [15:38] <edmorley> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2013/01/2013-01-21-03-10-05-mozilla-central/mozilla-central-win32-nightly-bm13-build1-build37.txt.gz
# [15:39] <edmorley> Ms2ger: :P
# [15:39] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Why would edmorley care?
# [15:39] <jdm> edmorley eats developers who waste resources for breakfast
# [15:39] <froydnj> edmorley: hum, not quite so convenient to download, but thanks for the pointer!
# [15:39] <Ms2ger> The only reason I'm still alive is that he hasn't found me yet
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# [15:39] <JosiahOne> jdm: Ah.
# [15:40] <JosiahOne> I've always wondered how developers taste?
# [15:40] <froydnj> good with ketchup
# [15:40] <JosiahOne> But for breakfast?
# [15:40] <JosiahOne> What about syrup?
# [15:41] * JosiahOne Remembers I haven't had breakfast yet. Unless a brownie counts?
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# [15:50] <romaxa> mjrosenb: ping
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# [15:51] <romaxa> mjrosenb: do you know why do I see such messages in stdout/err, Float on the stack! (0)
# [15:51] <romaxa> Float on the stack! (4)
# [15:51] <romaxa> Float on the stack! (0)
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# [15:53] <mjrosenb> romaxa: uhh
# [15:53] <jcranmer> hmm
# [15:54] <mjrosenb> romaxa: that was supposed to be a debug message that should have been removed long before committing
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# [15:54] <mjrosenb> romaxa: uhh, "oops"
# [15:54] <jcranmer> 2 hours until someone proposed removing RDF
# [15:54] <jcranmer> people are getting slow
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# [15:56] <Pike> jcranmer: actually, there was a bug filed yesterday to just drop it from fx
# [15:57] <jcranmer> well, as soon as I heard that PGO hit its vsize again, the first thing I did was revive plans to finish kicking it out of TB
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# [15:57] <Pike> please do
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# [15:58] <jcranmer> there's one key piece that requires a redesign of the underlying backend
# [15:58] <jcranmer> after that, it's mostly a matter of rejiggling UI AFAICT
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# [16:06] <jfkthame> gerv: you've got xpcshell test orange (on inbound)
# [16:06] <gerv> Urk.
# [16:06] * gerv checks
# [16:07] <gerv> Oh, drat, I know what that is.
# [16:07] <gerv> Fixed in 2 minutes.
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# [16:08] <gerv> jfkthame: Fixed. Thanks!
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# [16:10] <jfkthame> great - figured it was presumably some trivial thing!
# [16:10] <darkowlzz> this page seems to have some errors http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.html
# [16:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/da193b95904d - Mats Palmgren - Bug 830236 - Add re-entrancy protection in a few places to avoid destroying things twice. r=cam a=lsblakk
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# [16:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/68d81a68b234 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 830236 (follow-up) - Keep the print engine when printing finished inside Print Preview. Make nsPrintEngine::DestroyPrintingData re-entrancy safe. r=cam a=akeybl
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# [16:11] <darkowlzz> and there is a bug about the same page https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832900
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# [16:12] <darkowlzz> but the error console shows something other than what the bug report mentions
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# [16:13] <darkowlzz> anyone to help with this?
# [16:13] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz: Oh yeah, that is bad.
# [16:13] <evilpie> i am sure i can come up with on script.google.com to make bugzilla mail better
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# [16:15] <glob> evilpie, feel free to share any improvements to bugmail with me; i can stuff them into bugzilla itself :)
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# [16:15] <darkowlzz> JosiahOne, how the 1st line has syntax error?
# [16:15] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz: I just meant that the whole page doesn't do anything. (From a user's perspective that is)
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# [16:16] <darkowlzz> JosiahOne, I would like to solve this problem
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# [16:16] <JosiahOne> What in the world. Doctype is wrong?! That makes no sense.
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# [16:17] <bsmedberg> gerv: ping
# [16:17] <gerv> At your service.
# [16:17] <bsmedberg> gerv: does MPL 2 actually prevent people from making a GPL-only fork of Firefox code?
# [16:17] <bsmedberg> e.g. the flock thing?
# [16:18] <@smaug> BenWa: ping
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# [16:18] <gerv> bsmedberg: It takes a couple of paras to answer that question.
# [16:18] <gerv> Yes and no :-)
# [16:19] <BenWa> smaug: pong
# [16:19] <gerv> So, what MPL permits is for MPLed code to be combined with code under a Secondary License (e.g. the GPL)
# [16:19] <@smaug> BenWa: trying profiler on a windows machines.... so by default it runs all the time?
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# [16:19] <BenWa> smaug: yes
# [16:19] <gerv> and then when you release the combination, the GPLed bits are still GPL, and the were-MPLed bits are dual-licensed.
# [16:19] <darkowlzz> JosiahOne, sorry but I didn't get it
# [16:19] <darkowlzz> seems to be okay
# [16:19] <@smaug> BenWa: how much data does it store and where?
# [16:19] <gerv> If a different person again gets the code from you,
# [16:20] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz: That's just it. It is fine. But why does the console say the syntax is wrong?
# [16:20] <gerv> they can take the dual-licensed part and resolve it to a single license, in either direction.
# [16:20] <@smaug> I assume for random performance testing I want to stop by default
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# [16:20] <BenWa> smaug: It store a circular buffer of a few MB (configurable) that will store ~2 seconds
# [16:20] <@smaug> and then start, run the test, analyze
# [16:20] <gerv> So _that_ person could make a fully GPLed version of that codebase (which, you will recall, had to have significant already-GPLed code added to it at an earlier step).
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# [16:20] <@smaug> BenWa: does it ever store more than ~2 secs?
# [16:21] <darkowlzz> should doctype be in a separate line of it's own
# [16:21] <darkowlzz> oh! no head tag
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# [16:21] <gerv> So, could someone "do a Flock"?
# [16:21] <BenWa> smaug: It can if you increase the size of the buffer and/or decrease the sampling interval
# [16:21] <gerv> Well, in order for their version to be GPL-only, as opposed to dual-licensed
# [16:21] <BenWa> 10ms sampling default will store about 20 seconds
# [16:21] <gerv> (and this is assuming for a moment the unproven idea that Flock made their code GPL-only specifically to avoid Mozilla taking any patches back)
# [16:21] <BenWa> 10ms sampling, default size buffer
# [16:21] <@smaug> how do I increase the size of the buffer?
# [16:21] <JosiahOne> stretchy_and_large_operators isn't defined?
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# [16:22] <gerv> then they would have to "launder" the code through someone else who would add in some GPL stuff, make the dual-licensed version, and then pass it to them
# [16:22] <@smaug> ah, settings
# [16:22] <gerv> for splitting into a GPL-only version.
# [16:22] <BenWa> smaug: about:config filter by profiler
# [16:22] <gerv> However, such laundering would be pretty blatant and a court might well take a dim view of it.
# [16:22] <evilpie> glob: i just realized that i can do what i want with a filter
# [16:22] <darkowlzz_> JosiahOne: yes, that too
# [16:22] <gerv> It would also be very clear to the community that they were going to considerable efforts to be anti-social,
# [16:22] <romaxa> mjrosenb: do you need bug, or you can remove it along with something else?
# [16:22] <@smaug> BenWa: in the settings interval and buffersize are grayed
# [16:22] <gerv> and the PR effect would be bad.
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# [16:22] <gerv> Is that the beginnings of an answer?
# [16:23] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz: Wait. Do .js need DOCTYPE html?
# [16:23] <BenWa> smaug: select custom first
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# [16:23] <BenWa> entries/sampleInterval/250000=Est. number of seconds stored
# [16:23] <JosiahOne> That might be it!
# [16:23] <@smaug> BenWa: ok, thanks!
# [16:24] <gerv> bsmedberg: ^^
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# [16:24] <BenWa> smaug: and to many entries will make the UI be slow or crash OOM if you make it huge
# [16:24] <JosiahOne> The .js file is all html.
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# [16:24] <@smaug> perhaps 1000000 samples and 1ms works
# [16:25] <bsmedberg> gerv: hrm ok
# [16:25] <BenWa> smaug: That will be ok, just dump the profile within 4 seconds of the start of the problem
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# [16:25] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz: That might be the reason.
# [16:26] <darkowlzz_> JosiahOne: in my local repo, .js has automatically generated contents
# [16:27] <JosiahOne> But can .js files use html? If we are calling it in javascript than the syntax error makes sense.
# [16:27] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz: / ^
# [16:28] <darkowlzz_> why is the .js file filled with @ in my local repo
# [16:28] <darkowlzz_> any idea JosiahOne
# [16:28] <darkowlzz_> ?
# [16:28] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz: No idea. I'm just examining the source the error console is showing.
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# [16:29] <darkowlzz_> is it possible that lack of <header> is causing import fail?
# [16:29] <darkowlzz_> JosiahOne: ^
# [16:29] <darkowlzz_> *<head>
# [16:30] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz: Maybe. But I think .../tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.js is suppose to be an html file. Not .js
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# [16:33] <darkowlzz_> JosiahOne: but why? the file contains a line which is in js, why should it be .html ?
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# [16:33] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz_: Can .js be written in html?
# [16:33] <darkowlzz_> no
# [16:33] <JosiahOne> Then why is it?
# [16:33] <jfkthame> if you're trying to "view" http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.html in the browser, that simply won't work
# [16:34] <JosiahOne> jfkthame: Well yeah...
# [16:34] <jfkthame> because when it refers to the .js file via mxr, mxr will wrap that up in a formatted html page
# [16:34] <jcranmer> gerv: I don't know if you can do this, but I suspect that more than a few people's replies to your m.legal posting are being held up in moderation queues
# [16:34] * gerv checks
# [16:35] <JosiahOne> Does that explain why a .js is written in html?
# [16:35] <JosiahOne> Seems pretty dumb to me.
# [16:35] <edmorley> does anyone know how I bump the priority of something in service-now?
# [16:35] <jfkthame> i don't know what you mean "is written in html"
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# [16:35] <jfkthame> if you look at layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.js in a mozilla-central checkout, you'll see that it's a plain .js file
# [16:36] <gerv> jcranmer: Just one: pidgeot18@verizon.net
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# [16:36] <darkowlzz_> jfkthame: can we somehow test the file by by adding a <head> ? whether it works or not
# [16:36] <jcranmer> gerv: well, that's me :-)
# [16:36] <JosiahOne> jfkthame: Does yours look like this? http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2078407
# [16:37] <gerv> jcranmer: I released your post :-)
# [16:37] <JosiahOne> That's the layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.js
# [16:37] <jfkthame> that's what you get if you ask mxr for it - because mxr isn't intended to deliver "raw" files, it delivers marked-up, cross-referenced content
# [16:38] <jdm> jfkthame: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.js
# [16:38] <jdm> JosiahOne: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.js
# [16:38] <jdm> er
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# [16:38] <jfkthame> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.js?raw=1
# [16:38] <jfkthame> will give you the raw file
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# [16:39] <edmorley> (but mxr may be out of date depending on the indexer cron, so if you really need the raw file, use hgweb raw)
# [16:39] <JosiahOne> jfkthame: So is that why that file appears to be html source on the browser?
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# [16:41] <jfkthame> JosiahOne: yes - that's what i've been trying to explain - mxr will deliver you an html page that presents an annotated version of the file (unless you specify raw=1)
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# [16:42] <JosiahOne> jfkthame: Then the syntax error at <DOCTYPE html> is there why? (I don't usually do this kind of stuff)
# [16:42] <JosiahOne> Wouldn't it be there if it thought it was suppose to be rendering javascript. Instead it finds html?
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# [16:43] <glandium> tbsaunde: depends on the platform
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# [16:43] <jfkthame> when you try to view the html test on mxr, its link to the associated .js file will retrieve the annotated html view, not the "raw" javascript source
# [16:44] <jfkthame> so it simply won't work as intended in that context
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# [16:44] <JosiahOne> jfkthame: Wait a second. Is this a web page or not?
# [16:44] <jdm> darkowlzz_: so, what is the actual problem you're trying to solve?
# [16:44] <jfkthame> if you download/checkout the files - the *real*, *raw* files, not the mxr-annotated pages - they work fine
# [16:45] <darkowlzz_> jdm: solve the errors on the page and get it back to working
# [16:45] <jdm> darkowlzz_: which page? which errors?
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# [16:45] <darkowlzz_> jdm: I think it's due to the missing <head>
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# [16:45] <darkowlzz_> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.html
# [16:45] <darkowlzz_> jdm: ^
# [16:46] <glandium> tbsaunde: mozglue on windows and libxul on others
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# [16:46] <jdm> darkowlzz_: do you mean visiting that particular link you just gave gives errors in firefox?
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# [16:46] <JosiahOne> jdm: Yep.
# [16:46] <darkowlzz_> yes, in error console
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# [16:47] <jdm> darkowlzz_: and why are you visiting that in particular?
# [16:47] <glob> evilpie, no
# [16:47] <jdm> that's not often a useful test
# [16:47] <jfkthame> i'll say this one more time: that's because you're viewing it on mxr, which doesn't deliver the linked .js file as "raw" but as an annotated html page - it simply Will Not Work like that
# [16:47] * jfkthame gives up
# [16:47] * jdm takes over
# [16:47] <jfkthame> :)
# [16:47] * JosiahOne Is so confused.
# [16:48] <JosiahOne> Is this a webpage or something else?!?!
# [16:48] <JosiahOne> :)
# [16:48] <jdm> JosiahOne: it's a webpage, but that doesn't mean much.
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# [16:48] <jdm> darkowlzz_: so, why are you visiting that particular url?
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# [16:49] <darkowlzz_> a bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832900
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# [16:49] <jdm> darkowlzz_: great, thanks for clearing that up. You want to be running the test from our test harness, not just visiting the test file in MXR.
# [16:50] <JosiahOne> … Okay, that's it. I'm not going to make it. It's a webpage that you don't view?
# [16:50] <JosiahOne> I'm missing some important info here I think.
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# [16:51] <darkowlzz_> jdm: what's a test harness?
# [16:51] <jdm> JosiahOne: no. the problem is that you're confusing the raw files in mozilla-central, which you can view locally, with the views that MXR serves.
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# [16:51] <jdm> darkowlzz_: we have programs that collect up automated tests and make sure they all pass.
# [16:51] <@bz> Programs that run other programs
# [16:52] <@bz> To test whether those other programs execute a third set of programs correctly.
# [16:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/08c14f94fbb7 - Christian Holler - Bug 833018 - Enable special ASan options for tests when running with low memory. r=jmaher,a=nonlibxul
# [16:52] <jdm> then again, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.html?force=1 doesn't actually look automated
# [16:52] <JosiahOne> I think I get it.
# [16:52] <darkowlzz_> okay, tell me more about it and how to fix it
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# [16:54] <jdm> darkowlzz_: one think you can do is point your browser at the same html file from your local mozilla-central directory instead
# [16:54] <jdm> that will show you what you actually want
# [16:54] <darkowlzz_> I have seen it
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# [16:56] <darkowlzz_> jdm: I am still stuck with that <head> . Can't it be that the undefined variable is not being imported and that is also causing error?
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# [16:57] <JosiahOne> darkowlzz_: Maybe you should just try it and see what happens?
# [16:57] <jdm> darkowlzz_: no. which <head> are you talking about?
# [16:57] <darkowlzz_> in the .html page
# [16:57] <darkowlzz_> <head> is missing
# [16:57] <jdm> darkowlzz_: head doesn't need to be present.
# [16:58] <darkowlzz_> oh! it's not missing, but <script> is outside <head>
# [16:58] <jdm> darkowlzz_: that's still ok
# [16:58] <darkowlzz_> okay, thanks, nice to know that
# [16:58] <jdm> darkowlzz_: have you tried running the html file from your local repository yet? you should ignore any results beyond that.
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# [16:58] <darkowlzz_> doing...
# [16:59] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: shall we disable PGO on ipc/?
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# [16:59] <bsmedberg> ehsan: it certainly isn't going to be PGOed currently
# [17:00] <bsmedberg> so it should be safe to do so in terms of performance
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# [17:00] <@ehsan> ok, I'll write the patch, and flag you for review then
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# [17:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/608e239e0e14 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 830943 - Fix tableswitch block ordering. r=dvander a=akeybl
# [17:01] <darkowlzz_> jdm: I just saw it. It seems to work, with a lot of symbols
# [17:01] <@smaug> who could review a patch dealing with key events and global XBL handlers and e10s
# [17:01] <jdm> ehsan: cna you clarify what's wrong with chrome-document-global-created? we use it for special powers without incident, apparently.
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# [17:02] <jdm> darkowlzz_: have you looked at the two bug references in fredw's comment for context?
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# [17:02] <@ehsan> jdm: it is sometimes called for the initial about:blank document, so you will not see the document that you actually want to see
# [17:02] <mconley> is anybody else having difficulty building the ux branch? I'm failing out with this: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2078475 - something about SplayTree.h and a missing LifoAlloc.h...
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# [17:02] <@ehsan> jdm: the nsXULElement approach should be much more robust though
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# [17:02] <jdm> ehsan: but the nsXULElement approach is awful
# [17:03] <@ehsan> jdm: that's true
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# [17:03] <jdm> ehsan: can't I just wait for load events and skip them if it's about:blank?
# [17:03] <@ehsan> jdm: but that ship has sailed ;)
# [17:03] <NeilAway> jdm: would http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/raw-file/default/layout/mathml/tests/stretchy-and-large-operators.html work?
# [17:03] <@ehsan> jdm: you can try, but I don't think I even know how to create a robust observer out of that
# [17:03] <jdm> NeilAway: looks like it
# [17:04] <@ehsan> jdm: and actually I think the nsXULElement approach is better than the observer hack
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# [17:04] <jdm> we appear to have totally opposite viewpoints, in that case :)
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# [17:05] <@ehsan> jdm: why do you think the nsXULElement approach is aweful?
# [17:05] <@ehsan> perhaps I'm missing something?
# [17:05] <jdm> ehsan: it's moving frontend logic into the bowels of xul
# [17:05] <@ehsan> this is not really front-end logic, is it?
# [17:06] <@ehsan> the fact that we have code in front-end to do that is a reason why this is a house of cards!
# [17:06] <jdm> the whole windowtype thing is very frontend
# [17:07] <jdm> no backend code except the window mediator cares about windowtype
# [17:07] * NeilAway wonders what's happening to windowtypes
# [17:07] <jdm> and the fact that only certain kinds of windows should prolong the private session doesn't feel like something that should be controlled at the level of the XUL prototype element
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# [17:08] <jdm> *element implementation
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# [17:08] <@ehsan> jdm: well, you're making it sound like we have an alternative robust solution ;)
# [17:08] <@ehsan> we don't
# [17:09] <NeilAway> oh, per-window private browsing, I guess I have to look forward to porting it ;-)
# [17:09] <jdm> I'll look into the observer thing
# [17:09] <bholley> smaug: yt?
# [17:09] <@smaug> bholley: meeting
# [17:09] <bholley> smaug: ok
# [17:09] <@ehsan> jdm: ok. I'd ping hsivonen to ask him how we can reliably reproduce the chrome-document-global-created bug
# [17:09] <@ehsan> jdm: so that you can test your patch to make sure it can handle that case well
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# [17:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/498f53cdde20 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 833359 - Disable PGO on ipc; r=bsmedberg a=me
# [17:11] <darkowlzz_> jdm: free to help with bug 832900 atm?
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# [17:12] <JosiahOne> Is it possible to get B2G (Firefox OS) on android? With dual-boot.
# [17:13] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: so, my goal with windowds is mostly to rip the rdf out of it, but not building it into libxul would be nice too even though its small
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# [17:13] <jdm> darkowlzz_: what's your question?
# [17:14] <khuey> so, uh, what version # are we on?
# [17:14] <edmorley> 21
# [17:14] <Ms2ger> 21
# [17:14] <khuey> so release is 18?
# [17:14] <jdm> yes
# [17:14] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [17:14] <khuey> cool
# [17:15] <@ehsan> am I going to be up for disappointment if I try valgrind on osx 10.8?
# [17:15] * khuey grumbles about backporting stuff
# [17:15] <Ms2ger> Are you ever not up for disappointment?
# [17:15] <Ms2ger> You work on editor
# [17:15] <mconley> zing!
# [17:15] <@ehsan> no, I used to
# [17:15] <edmorley> Ms2ger: check :-)
# [17:15] <darkowlzz_> jdm: as is mentioned in the comment, change MathML creation code, will doing document.createElementNS("http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML", ...) in line 32 solve the problem? and how do I test it?
# [17:15] <Ms2ger> edmorley, :)
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> ehsan, it's really dead now?
# [17:16] <@ehsan> yes
# [17:16] <@ehsan> but that was a serious question
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> Er, valgrind...
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> jseward?
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# [17:16] <Ms2ger> !seen jseward
# [17:16] <firebot> I've never seen a 'jseward', sorry.
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [17:16] <ekr> !seen sewardj
# [17:16] <firebot> sewardj was last seen 2 days, 15 hours, 25 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying 'romaxa: can you email me STR ?' in #developers.
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> Aha
# [17:17] <Ms2ger> Thanks, ekr :)
# [17:17] <ekr> NP, s2gerM
# [17:17] <sewardj> ekr: yeah, I've seen me
# [17:17] <@ehsan> sewardj: ping?
# [17:17] <sewardj> ehsan: ^
# [17:17] <@ehsan> sewardj: so, what should I expect if I try valgrind trunk on osx 10.8?
# [17:17] <@ehsan> sadness?
# [17:17] <jdm> darkowlzz_: I suggest trying and seeing if it behaves any differently
# [17:18] <sewardj> ehsan: yeah, it basically can't run Fx. I haven't got much demand to fix it properly for Fx on 10.8 so far.
# [17:18] <JosiahOne> Is there a B2g room?
# [17:18] <@ehsan> oh
# [17:18] <jdm> JosiahOne: #b2g
# [17:18] <jdm> surprisingly enough
# [17:18] <sewardj> ehsan: generally better to run on linux if you can
# [17:18] <@ehsan> sewardj: this is what I get: "valgrind: m_syswrap/syswrap-amd64-darwin.c:460 (wqthread_hijack): Assertion 'VG_(is_valid_tid)(tid)' failed."
# [17:19] <JosiahOne> jdm: Go figure.
# [17:19] <@ehsan> ok, I can do that I guess
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# [17:19] <sewardj> ehsan: yes, that's right
# [17:19] <sewardj> ehsan: s/right/how I remember it failing
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# [17:19] <@ehsan> sewardj: so on linux, will it work well on opt builds?
# [17:20] <sewardj> ehsan: yes. A lot of effort went into making it work well with optimised code.
# [17:20] <sewardj> ehsan: you need to build with --enable-valgrind (mandatory) and --disable-jemalloc (not mandatory, but recommended)
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# [17:20] <sewardj> ehsan: with those in place you should be able to run m-c with zero false errors
# [17:21] <@ehsan> ok will do
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# [17:21] <@ehsan> sewardj: out of curiosity, what does --enable-valgrind do?
# [17:21] <sewardj> ehsan: right now, it enables the JS GC to tell V not to worry about the GC scanning segments of stack which might contain uninitialised values
# [17:22] <sewardj> ehsan: in future it will also enable annotations that make it possible to use race detectors sanely
# [17:22] <@ehsan> I see
# [17:22] <@ehsan> thanks :)
# [17:23] <sewardj> ehsan: you may find this useful: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2078513
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# [17:23] <Ms2ger> Huh, why did telemetry just get enabled?
# [17:23] <@ehsan> sewardj: should I cancel my build and use this mozconfig?
# [17:24] <Ms2ger> Or just NHR...
# [17:24] <sewardj> ehsan: I'm just saying .. that mozconfig is known to work pretty well.
# [17:24] <@ehsan> ok
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# [17:24] <@ehsan> mine is pretty similar
# [17:24] <@ehsan> except for the libjpeg thing
# [17:24] <sewardj> ehsan: (it's what i use all the time). So for least-hassle, maybe yes, rebuilt with it
# [17:24] <@ehsan> and -freorder-blocks
# [17:24] <@ehsan> ok will do
# [17:24] <sewardj> -freorder-blocks is probably irrelevant
# [17:25] <ekr> ehsan: which tbpl build should we be watching to see how the big PGO-ectomy is working out.
# [17:25] <sewardj> it adds a gcc -O2 transformation to the -O set
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# [17:25] <darkowlzz_> jdm: btw what is the right way to of creating MathML element? document.createElementNS("http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML")
# [17:25] <jdm> darkowlzz_: you give the namespace argument, then the regular element type argument
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# [17:26] <jdm> darkowlzz_: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/document.createElementNS
# [17:26] <sewardj> ehsan: that should get you a more or less noise-free V run. If you get lots of wierd errors, give me a shout.
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# [17:26] <Ms2ger> jdm, ah, namespaces...
# [17:26] <@ehsan> ekr: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=WINNT%205.2%20.*%20pgo-build
# [17:26] <@ehsan> ekr: keep hitting the down arrow
# [17:26] <jdm> Ms2ger: I fully admit that I've never bothered to learn about them
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# [17:26] <ekr> ehsan: I hit it some times....
# [17:26] <@ehsan> sewardj: sure, will do. thanks!
# [17:26] <Ms2ger> jdm, don't change
# [17:26] <jdm> and when people reference things like html:iframe in bugzilla I just look the other way
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# [17:27] <@ehsan> ekr: now, by clicking on each green B, you can see the linker vmem size
# [17:27] <ekr> ok...
# [17:27] <@ehsan> and from there it's a manual process
# [17:27] <darkowlzz_> jdm: got it, thanks :)
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# [17:28] <ekr> and we're looking for that number to be like what, like 3.5 GB?
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# [17:28] <@ehsan> well ideally 0
# [17:28] <@ehsan> ;)
# [17:28] <@ehsan> but the lower, the better
# [17:28] <@ehsan> we don't really have a target in that sense
# [17:29] <ekr> how do you decide when it's low enough to reopen the tree?
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# [17:29] <jfkthame> when someone is so desperate to land that they offer him a large enough bribe ;)
# [17:29] <ekr> heh. what's the going rate?
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# [17:30] <edmorley> Ms2ger: FHR will be enabled by default on all channels aiui
# [17:30] * @ehsan tries to remember what the equivalent of git checkout is with git svn...
# [17:30] <@ehsan> ekr: that's true, bribe offers accepted
# [17:31] <ekr> Would a bottle of Yamazaki do it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamazaki_Distillery
# [17:31] <ekr> Or maybe a couple boxes of Tim Hortons?
# [17:32] <JosiahOne> ekr: What about a USB coffee maker? :)
# [17:32] <ekr> everyone knows all the good coffee makers are thunderbolt
# [17:32] <@ehsan> ekr: the former is much more like it ;)
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# [17:33] <@ehsan> sewardj: I am getting "Makefile.am:21: required directory ./VEX does not exit" when running autogen.sh
# [17:33] <@ehsan> sounds familiar?
# [17:34] <sewardj> ehsan: hmm, no.. What sequence of commands did you run?
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# [17:34] <ekr> I'm trying to remember… Isn't LCBO the only place to buy booze in Ontario?
# [17:34] <@ehsan> sewardj: ./autogen.sh ;)
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# [17:34] <sewardj> ehsan: and where did you get the source from?
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# [17:34] <@ehsan> ekr: there's also beer store, and a few smaller stores, but LCBO is the major one
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# [17:35] <@ehsan> sewardj: git svn
# [17:35] <ekr> yeah, I have totally been to The Beer Store
# [17:35] <sewardj> ehsan: hmm, it maybe skipped the external
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# [17:35] <JosiahOne> ekr: lol.
# [17:35] <@ehsan> sewardj: my HEAD is a commit from florian, made today
# [17:35] <ekr> (my wife's parents live in Kitchener-Waterloo)
# [17:35] <sewardj> ehsan: svn co svn://svn.valgrind.org/valgrind/trunk
# [17:35] <@ehsan> sewardj: ok
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# [17:35] <@ehsan> ekr: hehe
# [17:36] <JosiahOne> www.thebeerstore.ca
# [17:36] <ekr> and lemme tell you, when visiting the in-laws, pretty much daily trips to the beer store are required
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# [17:36] <JosiahOne> the-beer-store.com
# [17:36] <ekr> so the awwesome part about the beer store is you like pick stuff out and then some dude in the back rolls them out on a conveyer belt.
# [17:36] <JosiahOne> www.beerstore.co.nz
# [17:37] <JosiahOne> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beer_Store
# [17:37] <JosiahOne> I can't believe there is a place really called "The Beer Store"
# [17:37] <@ehsan> sewardj: thanks, it worked
# [17:37] * @ehsan needs a drink^Hcoffee
# [17:37] <froydnj> ehsan: you can have both together!
# [17:38] <@ehsan> irish coffee it is!
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# [17:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/528eac92e500 - Randell Jesup - Bug 825510: enable PeerConnection mochitests r=ted a=nonlibxul
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# [17:40] <JosiahOne> Yeah, my build is done!
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# [17:42] <darkowlzz_> I believe this would be enough to solve bug 832900, line 32, document.createElementNS("http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML", "math")
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# [17:42] <darkowlzz_> someone please check it ^
# [17:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e813a7fc3913 - Kyle Huey - Bug 831095: Remove LOOP_OVER_OBSERVERS. r=bz a=akeybl
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# [17:44] <gfritzsche> darkowlzz_: why not try it out? :)
# [17:44] <@ehsan> ttaubert: ping?
# [17:44] <ttaubert> ehsan: pong
# [17:44] <darkowlzz_> gfritzsche: don't know how to test it
# [17:44] <darkowlzz_> the page appears to be same
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# [17:45] <@ehsan> ttaubert: heya. welcome back!
# [17:45] <ttaubert> ehsan: ty :)
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# [17:45] <@ehsan> ttaubert: I was wondering if you have an ETA on the review on bug 829568?
# [17:45] <jdm> darkowlzz: I recommend putting together a patch and getting fredw's feedback on it
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# [17:45] <jdm> and making it clear that you're not sure what difference to look for in the page
# [17:46] <darkowlzz_> jdm: okay, thanks a lot :)
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# [17:46] <JosiahOne> Oops.
# [17:46] <ttaubert> ehsan: I just read Andres' mail and was reminded of it. forgot about it a little... will do asap
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# [17:47] <@ehsan> ttaubert: thanks a lot!
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# [17:48] <JosiahOne> Yikes! I still have Firefox 13 on my laptop.
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# [17:48] <ttaubert> ehsan: sure, sorry for letting that slide
# [17:48] <@ehsan> not a problem
# [17:48] <jfkthame> darkowlzz: if the page appears the same, then it's not fixed
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# [17:49] <@ehsan> ttaubert: just want to make sure that an aurora backport is still a possibility
# [17:49] <jfkthame> bug 755541 includes a static page that shows the expected result
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# [17:49] <ttaubert> ehsan: good point
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# [17:52] <JosiahOne> Shoot. I have too switch to CSS transitions. :(
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# [17:52] <@ehsan> ttaubert: also I'd appreciate if you can say on the bug whether the patch is too risky for aurora or not
# [17:52] <@ehsan> I don't know that code very well
# [17:52] <ttaubert> ok
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# [17:53] <@smaug> felipe: any comments to Bug 831421? once you've given some feedback, I'll try to find someone who could review it
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# [17:55] <bsmedberg> Is there a log or info function in mochitests? (specifically browser-chrome)
# [17:56] <Ms2ger> info()?
# [17:56] <Ms2ger> Or SimpleTest.info?
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# [17:56] <darkowlzz_> jfkthame: no, the images look different
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# [17:57] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I always use ok(true, "msg")
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# [17:58] <darkowlzz_> in the static page, symbols have varying size. But in the page what I have, all the symbols are of equal size
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# [17:58] <darkowlzz_> jfkthame: ^
# [17:59] <jfkthame> darkowlzz_: then it's not fixed - when stretchy-and-large-operators.html is fixed properly, it will show the same varying-size symbols
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# [18:00] <felipe> smaug: so currently the binding is already attached to the child process too, but it never gets sent to it because of the parent? and with that patch it won't get attached to the parent if it has a remote target?
# [18:01] <@smaug> felipe: right
# [18:01] <@smaug> felipe: well, the event wouldn't be handled in the parent
# [18:01] <@smaug> since we expect it to be handled in the child
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# [18:02] <felipe> smaug: was there a list somewhere of the events that are handled in this manner?
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# [18:02] <@smaug> felipe: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/xbl/builtin/
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# [18:05] <felipe> smaug: hm it's a big list, don't you think some of those are things that the parent would need to handle instead of the child?
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# [18:05] <@smaug> felipe: how could we handle them in the parent? scrolling needs to happen in the child etc.
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# [18:05] <JosiahOne> Why is windows acting differently than Linux and OS X with requestAnimationFrame? Window's animation is very slow, while on the same machine with linux, the animation is normal speed?
# [18:06] <@smaug> felipe: and this is only about the browser case
# [18:06] <darkowlzz_> what does the status RESOLVED INVALID mean?
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# [18:06] <felipe> smaug: but what about copy/paste for example, I imagine the parent needs to update UI
# [18:06] <khuey> darkowlzz_: it means that we decided that the reported issue is not a bug
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# [18:06] <darkowlzz_> khuey: thanks :)
# [18:07] <felipe> although it can't know how to update the UI without info from the child..
# [18:07] <@smaug> felipe: well, you can't copy anything unless child tells there is some data, right?
# [18:07] <felipe> right
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# [18:07] <@smaug> I assume child should send some message to parent
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# [18:08] <JosiahOne> Any ideas?
# [18:08] <Callek> edmorley: Ms2ger ok I'm confused is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832442 backed out or in
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# [18:08] <Callek> if backed out, is there a concise statement we can make in bug about "why"
# [18:09] <@smaug> felipe: I'm not aware of us supporting copy-paste in e10s
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# [18:10] <felipe> smaug: ok, I think some other case might bite later but it's worth a shot, since it's all experimental.. if it works well enough like that, good.. another alternative would be for the parent to always forward these events to the children independently if they were handled or not
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# [18:10] <Ms2ger> Callek, out, I think
# [18:10] <Ms2ger> Callek, ask jmaher|afk why he backed it out
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# [18:11] <Callek> ooo it was joel who did, ok
# [18:11] <Callek> Ms2ger: why the two comments? I'm guessing you went manually through a merge rather than using the merge tool
# [18:11] <@smaug> felipe: always forwarding would be larger change
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# [18:11] <@smaug> felipe: I was hoping to have minimal change for now
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# [18:11] <Callek> which (should) properly handle backouts/etc. ;-)
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# [18:12] <Ms2ger> Callek, because of the broken commit message
# [18:12] <felipe> smaug: sure, let's try it
# [18:12] <@smaug> felipe: I still wonder who could review this :) The global XBL handlers code is ancient
# [18:12] <Ms2ger> Callek, the changeset ID jmaher|afk used was from the talos repo, not m-c
# [18:12] <jprmc> dougt: http://people.mozilla.org/~klahnakoski/
# [18:13] <felipe> smaug: masayuki perhaps?
# [18:13] <rhelmer> gaston: crash-stats only does reports for the builds we produce and support officially, so windows/mac/linux... you can filter on those platforms on the topcrasher page
# [18:13] <@smaug> masayuki or bz
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# [18:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4a1188e7f538 - Patrick McManus - bug 804605 - backout 766973 767158 785050 r=backout a=akeybl
# [18:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2d4fdd06fdda - Patrick McManus - bug 804605 - backout 766973 767158 785050 r=backout ba=akeybl
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# [18:14] <@bz> hmm?
# [18:14] * @smaug tries masayuki
# [18:14] <felipe> smaug: any concern about this change for b2g?
# [18:14] * @bz hopes smaug isn't claiming bz can review xbl handler anything
# [18:14] <@bz> smaug: neil@park too, perhaps? Or enn?
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# [18:14] <@smaug> bz: this is code last changed in CVS-era, and change made by me
# [18:15] <@smaug> and before that bryner and hyatt
# [18:15] <@bz> smaug: Sounds about right. :(
# [18:15] <@bz> smaug: so what you need is a victim to learn the code....
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# [18:15] <Ms2ger> Not it
# [18:15] <@smaug> NeilAway could be a good victim
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# [18:16] <JosiahOne> In general, do CSS transitions perform better than requestAnimationFrame?
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# [18:17] <ttaubert> JosiahOne: they *can* because we don't have re-calculate styles, execute javascript, etc. CSS *transforms* can be moved off the main thread. so it all depends on what you're doing...
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# [18:19] <JosiahOne> Ttaubert: Simply moving an image across the screen on the x axis.
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# [18:20] <mccr8> khuey: looks like you burned esr17
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# [18:20] <@bz> JosiahOne: It depends on how you're doing it
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# [18:21] <JosiahOne> After I'm done eating I'll post some code.
# [18:21] <edmorley> Callek, Ms2ger: I had to look it up earlier today - there was a python exception due to indentation, I'm presuming jhammels subsequent talos repo commit fixes
# [18:21] <ttaubert> JosiahOne: I'd suggest animating/transitioning 'transform: translateX()'
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# [18:21] <JosiahOne> Alright, I'll get back to this. I'm on mobile right now.
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# [18:24] <khuey> mccr8: fun
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# [18:26] <khuey> ugh
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# [18:27] <@bz> khuey: you're talking binding build system?
# [18:27] <khuey> bz: hmm?
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# [18:27] <JosiahOne> Okay, I'm back.
# [18:28] <khuey> mccr8: should be fixed now
# [18:28] * khuey forgot a semicolon :-/
# [18:28] <mccr8> khuey: thanks. rats I can't use it as an excuse to not land my patch any more. ;)
# [18:28] <@bz> khuey: you said "ugh"
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# [18:28] <Callek> you should know better
# [18:28] <Callek> semicolon!
# [18:28] <khuey> bz: hah
# [18:28] <khuey> bz: it's on my list
# [18:28] <khuey> bz: b2g stuff just keeps getting shoved in front :-/
# [18:29] <@bz> khuey: yeah, I know
# [18:29] <JosiahOne> Here's the code I am using now. http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2078603
# [18:29] <@bz> khuey: so fwiw, it looks like we just end up starting a bajillion pythons
# [18:29] <@bz> khuey: none of which really run for that long
# [18:29] <@bz> khuey: afaict
# [18:29] <JosiahOne> But that only works well on decently powered devices.
# [18:29] <@bz> khuey: so I haven't really gotten to profiling them yet
# [18:30] <khuey> bz: well the main problem is that we don't actually do dependency tracking
# [18:30] <khuey> if we only redid what was necessary that would fix a lot of hte problem
# [18:30] <Callek> khuey: tup!!!
# [18:31] <@bz> khuey: yes
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# [18:31] <JosiahOne> tup?
# [18:31] <@bz> khuey: though it would still be interesting to see what happens if I change Bindings.conf, sy
# [18:31] <@bz> er, say
# [18:31] <@bz> khuey: You're coming to the work week?
# [18:31] <Ms2ger> JosiahOne, gittup.org/tup/
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# [18:31] <khuey> bz: in london?
# [18:31] <@bz> khuey: maybe we should sit down and figure out what depends on what here...
# [18:31] <@bz> khuey: yes
# [18:31] <khuey> yeah I'll be there
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# [18:32] <khuey> Bindings.conf will be tricky because it's global
# [18:32] <@bz> right
# [18:32] <khuey> :-/
# [18:32] <@bz> So there are two separate problems
# [18:32] <@bz> 1) How do we rebuild as little as possible?
# [18:32] <JosiahOne> Hmm, cool.
# [18:32] <@bz> 2) When we have to rebuild the world, how do we make it as fast as possible?
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# [18:32] <khuey> right
# [18:32] <@bz> I wonder how I can attack #2...
# [18:32] <@bz> I can't even tell where the time is being spent. :(
# [18:33] <@bz> My computer claims no processes are really using CPU or something
# [18:33] <khuey> heh
# [18:33] <khuey> that's fun
# [18:33] <@bz> presumably because they die before it gets a chance to update its display
# [18:33] <khuey> yeah that's believable
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# [18:36] <JosiahOne> Would CSS transition work for animating an image over? Or do I need something else?
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# [18:40] <JosiahOne> Never mind, I'll use the "animation" property.
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# [18:43] <@bz> khuey: which makes it hard to figure out how to speed it up... ;)
# [18:44] <@bz> khuey: fwiw, I did try pickling the Configuration, not the parse data
# [18:44] <@bz> khuey: no impact that I can see
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# [18:46] <@ehsan> padenot: ping
# [18:46] <padenot> ehsan: pong
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# [18:47] <darkowlzz_> jfkthame, jdm it's working now, I changed creation code of all MathML elements and now the symbols are in varying size :D
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# [18:47] <@ehsan> padenot: hi. one question about resampling. turns out that the resampled buffers that I create do not end up matching the expected wave file 100%
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# [18:47] <padenot> yeah, I've seen the message in the bug
# [18:47] <@bz> khuey: hmm
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# [18:47] <padenot> maybe adding some fuzz in the comparison would do
# [18:47] <@bz> khuey: so I see 346 invocations of BindingGen.py
# [18:47] <jdm> darkowlzz_: great. do you know how to create a patch to attach to the bug?
# [18:48] <@ehsan> padenot: that was going to be my question ;)
# [18:48] <@ehsan> thanks
# [18:48] <padenot> it is certainly worth trying
# [18:48] <@bz> khuey: And 162 seconds CPU time
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# [18:48] <@bz> khuey: so figure a bit less than 500ms each....
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# [18:48] <jfkthame> darkowlzz_: that sounds better - you should have changed about 5 lines, if i remember correctly
# [18:48] <@ehsan> padenot: so what would the fuzz look like? more than 99% of the bytes matching or something?
# [18:48] <@bz> khuey: We have 181 webidl files in dom/webidl
# [18:48] <darkowlzz_> jdm: I guess I do, but not very confident. Let me give it another shot :D
# [18:49] <jfkthame> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/How_to_Submit_a_Patch
# [18:49] <@bz> khuey: so 346 invocations is about in the expected range, too
# [18:49] <darkowlzz_> jfkthame: yeah :D
# [18:49] <padenot> ehsan: I have no idea, let me have a look at the test again
# [18:49] <Ms2ger> http://i.imgur.com/TCfsUFl.jpg
# [18:49] <@bz> khuey: since we have separate invocations for header and cpp
# [18:49] <@ehsan> padenot: ok, thanks
# [18:49] <@ehsan> edmorley: ping
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# [18:50] * ehsan changes topic to 'central indefinitely CLOSED to all check-ins which add/modify code in libxul on Windows | Introducing https://etherpad.mozilla.org/commonissues || Fix your tests, please! http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ || Next merge: 18 February || New? Want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnho'
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# [18:53] <padenot> ehsan: so, memcmp compares on a byte level, and that sometimes compare the least significant side of an audio sample, or even some part of a float
# [18:53] * ehsan changes topic to 'Introducing https://etherpad.mozilla.org/commonissues || Fix your tests, please! http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ || Next merge: 18 February || New? Want to help? See #introduction || http://krijnho'
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# [18:53] <@ehsan> padenot: correct
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# [18:55] <padenot> I would expect the resampler to produce non-perfectly accurate output every time
# [18:55] <padenot> but I'm not sure, I haven't tested
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# [18:56] <@ehsan> padenot: you mean slightly different output every time?
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# [18:56] <padenot> yeah, maybe
# [18:56] <@bz> 417544 function calls (392727 primitive calls) in 0.688 seconds
# [18:56] <padenot> not sure if the resampler/decoders we use are deterministic, that is
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# [18:57] <@bz> Lots of them are in the "70535 function calls (70315 primitive calls) in 0.401 seconds" range
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# [18:58] <glandium> jlebar: haha rebuilding the kernel
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# [18:58] <@ehsan> padenot: they are in my experience
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# [18:58] <@ehsan> padenot: the output differs by CPU architecture obviously
# [18:59] <@ehsan> but it seems to be the same even on mac/linux x86-64
# [18:59] <@ehsan> which is good news
# [18:59] <@ehsan> oh, and on related noted everyone, inbound/central is reopened
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# [19:03] <vingtetun> nhirata: what does this buglist represent exactly?
# [19:04] <padenot> ehsan: okay, then we still need to add fuzzing, so we need to have the comparison to be sample-format aware
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# [19:04] <nhirata> vingtetun: pomodoro
# [19:04] <nhirata> will answer in a bit
# [19:04] <vingtetun> sounds good. Does etienne_s has converted you?
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# [19:04] <nhirata> trying something new… david as well as geo suggested it to me
# [19:04] <@ehsan> padenot: what do you mean?
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# [19:07] <padenot> ehsan: hm, I'm confused, decodeAudioData can return floats, right?
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# [19:09] <catlee> PUSH ALL THE THINGS!
# [19:09] <ekr> inbound is open? Ehsan for president.
# [19:09] <ekr> Or I guess prime minister, eh?
# [19:09] <@smaug> leak. there is a leak.
# [19:10] <@smaug> paul: I see chrome://browser/content/devtools/framework/toolbox.xul document leaked
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# [19:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee7cb4422133 - Josh Matthews - Bug 829383 - Ensure hidden private window docshells aren't counted towards private session lifetime. r=bz
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# [19:16] <jprmc> ehsan|lunch: can we use 2012 with XP?
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# [19:19] <Waldo> jprmc: last I heard is 2012 doesn't run on XP
# [19:19] <Waldo> and may not even support it as a target
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# [19:20] <jfkthame> Waldo, jprmc, it's supposed to be possible to target XP, see http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2012/10/08/10357555.aspx
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# [19:20] <Waldo> hum
# [19:20] <WeirdAl> !seen Scoobidiver
# [19:20] <firebot> I've never seen a 'Scoobidiver', sorry.
# [19:20] <Ms2ger> He's not an IRC guy
# [19:20] <@ehsan|lunch> jprmc: looks like it
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# [19:21] <Waldo> http://www.troyhunt.com/2013/01/the-impending-crisis-that-is-windows-xp.html was my source for what I know (hat-tip nitot)
# [19:21] <@ehsan> padenot: yeah decodeAudioData itself can return floats, but in the test we convert that into a wave stream for comparison
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# [19:22] <@ehsan> jprmc: somebody needs to make sure
# [19:22] * padenot looks harder
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# [19:23] <padenot> ehsan: can you reproduce the failure locally?
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# [19:23] <@ehsan> yeah
# [19:23] <@ehsan> with an opt build
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# [19:23] <tbsaunde> ehsan: so MS actually fixed this issue you were complaining about a while ago (iirc that you could only build for xp with static libc)
# [19:23] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: as I said, looks like it
# [19:24] <glandium> tbsaunde: yes, they fixed that in 2012 update 1
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# [19:24] <glandium> which, btw, means we can try to pgo with it and see how it goes, memory-wise
# [19:25] <Waldo> and bug-wise
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# [19:25] <glandium> Waldo: that should be at least partially covered by the elm branch, shouldn't it?
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# [19:25] <@ehsan> glandium: yeah that's what I suggested
# [19:26] <padenot> ehsan: I'll go home now, maybe I'll look at it tonight or tomorrow morning
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# [19:26] <Waldo> glandium: I have no idea what you're referring to, I'm just kibitzing here :-)
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# [19:26] <derf> padenot, ehsan: What kind of "perfect" results are you expecting from a resampler?
# [19:26] <WeirdAl> KaiRo: ping, wondering if there's a crash stats IRC channel.
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# [19:26] * Waldo notes that a Windows PGO bug is what's preventing one of his patches from landing (that does nothing more than rearrange compiler commandlines) :-(
# [19:26] <glandium> Waldo: the elm branch is where the metro work is done, and afaik, it does windows builds with 2012
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# [19:26] <Waldo> assuming it's a bug, at least
# [19:26] <Waldo> it could be our being dumb
# [19:27] <KaiRo> WeirdAl: #crashkill
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# [19:27] <WeirdAl> thanks
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# [19:27] <KaiRo> WeirdAl: oh, if you mean the crash-stats system, that's in #breakpad
# [19:27] <@ehsan> padenot: ok cool
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# [19:27] <Waldo> although, rearranging the command line I would have hoped wouldn't affect compiler determinism, so long as the option set chosen is equivalent :-\
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# [19:27] <WeirdAl> KaiRo - I'm investigating a topcrash bug which needs URL's
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# [19:28] <KaiRo> WeirdAl: OK, add the needURLs keyword :)
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# [19:28] <@ehsan> derf: I'm not, which is why I'm thinking about doing a fuzzy comparison
# [19:28] <WeirdAl> it's already there, Scoobidiver put it in... and it's the only bug with that keyword
# [19:28] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: objections to rming stuff under ipc/chromium/ that we don't use?
# [19:28] <KaiRo> WeirdAl: and yes, for topcrash bugs etc. that's us in #crshkill :)
# [19:28] <derf> ehsan: Okay, I can't remember if I've pointed you at https://git.xiph.org/?p=opus.git;a=blob;f=src/opus_compare.c;hb=HEAD before.
# [19:29] <bsmedberg> tbsaunde: sounds ok to me
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# [19:29] <jesup> glandium/ehsan: does disabling PGO in media/webrtc disable PGO and LTCG for webrtc, or just PGO? (per ehsan's comment in the bug) And didn't glandium's --disable-webrtc Try use similar memory to the PGO disable?
# [19:29] <@ehsan> derf: oh right, you did, but I forgot :/
# [19:30] <derf> I did vaguely remember having this conversation before.
# [19:30] <@ehsan> derf: I'll try to borrow ideas from there
# [19:30] <derf> If you have any questions, don't be shy.
# [19:30] <@ehsan> thanks!
# [19:30] <jchen> i'm pushing an android fix to beta, but looks like android 2.2 m-8 is busted? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Beta
# [19:31] <jesup> Does the PGO/etc optimizer use random numbers, say for simulated annealing of code layout into pages? If so, is it random seed or fixed?
# [19:31] <@ehsan> jesup: glandium said both
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# [19:32] <@ehsan> jesup: we have obviously no access to the source ;)
# [19:32] <jesup> ehsan: thanks
# [19:32] <jesup> Yeah, but they might tell you
# [19:32] <@ehsan> jesup: did you see my wontfix?
# [19:33] <jesup> Or if you get different layouts re-linking the same code ;-)
# [19:33] <jesup> ehsan: yes, thanks
# [19:33] <@ehsan> cool
# [19:33] <jfkthame> jchen: it looks like it -occasionally- passes, but not often
# [19:33] <jesup> saves me a lot of ongoing hassle
# [19:33] <jfkthame> jchen: you could star the ones with "empty summary" as bug 689856, i guess
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# [19:34] <rillian> ehsan: if you come up with a unit or mochi test that does fuzzy audio comparison, let me know!
# [19:34] <nhirata> vingtetun: ping
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> "NO_PROFILE_GUIDED_OPTIMIZE := 1 # Don't PGO"
# [19:34] * Ms2ger isn't sure which half is clearer
# [19:35] <@ehsan> rillian: well I'm reading opus_compare.c now... I don't actually know what to do without learning something from that program
# [19:35] <@ehsan> rillian: I mean, besides the stupid "more than 99% of the bytes being the same ;)"
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# [19:35] <nhirata> vingtetun: bug 831973 <- current white screen bug
# [19:35] <nhirata> vingtetun: resolved fixed previous white bugs : bug 830256, 818575, 825692
# [19:36] <@ehsan> derf: what is the input to this program?
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# [19:36] <vingtetun> nhirata: is that the regression faramarz was talking about? (bug 831973) ?
# [19:36] <jchen> jfkthame: ok thanks. i'll wait a little more. the three oranges in a row on "Android 2.2 opt" worried me.
# [19:36] <nhirata> vingtetun: I was thinking that maybe what has happened is that the bug has been around for a long time based on bug 818575… it's just that we didn't test enough around the bug… via keyboard, or window.open or other things
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# [19:37] <nhirata> vingtetun: yes. the white screen bug
# [19:37] <derf> ehsan: raw 16-bit PCM files.
# [19:37] <nhirata> vingtetun: the bookmark regression bug is already fixed. bug 830905
# [19:37] <jfkthame> jchen: maybe retrigger the most recent one a few times, to see if you can get a green on it (thus proving that it's still intermittent rather than permanent)
# [19:37] <glandium> froydnj: https://blog.mozilla.org/nfroyd/2013/01/22/analyzing-linker-max-vsize/#comment-793
# [19:38] <@ehsan> derf: so one problem is that opus_compare seems to expect only a number of predetermined sampling rates
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# [19:38] <froydnj> glandium: decided to prove yourself wrong, eh?
# [19:38] <vingtetun> nhirata: it could be. also a lot of things has been change when bug 823619 has landed (it was risky but we it worth the risk if that was the root cause)
# [19:38] <vingtetun> nhirata: thanks
# [19:38] <nhirata> vingtetun: and when I say "we" I am referring to qa. :/
# [19:38] <nhirata> :|
# [19:38] <froydnj> glandium: the huge drop is quite interesting
# [19:38] <derf> ehsan: Yeah, that can be generalized pretty easily.
# [19:39] <glandium> froydnj: i'm pretty sure the use of templates is helping the number grow
# [19:39] <nhirata> vingtetun: np. anything I can do to help to get fixes in faster.
# [19:39] <kk1fff> dougt: ping
# [19:39] <dougt> hey
# [19:39] <@ehsan> derf: let's move to #media :)
# [19:39] <vingtetun> nhirata: no worries - we all try to do our best! :)
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# [19:40] <froydnj> glandium: I wouldn't be surprised.
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# [19:40] <kk1fff> would you help to review patch for Bug 832925 :) It is a small patch, but blocks a tef+ bug.
# [19:40] <froydnj> glandium: but that changeset linked doesn't really change a whole lot template-wise
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# [19:41] <kk1fff> thanks
# [19:41] <glandium> froydnj: true
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# [19:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e7b32ff9fde - Wes Johnston - Bug 819037 - Set appId on browsers in webapps. r=mfinkle
# [19:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f2ce0b23e16d - Wes Johnston - backout 322f7440f281 to fix commit bug number
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# [19:49] <froydnj> glandium: just from a amount-of-code perspective, I'd nominate http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3597432da4d9
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# [19:54] <jlebar> glandium: Unfortunately I guess the difficulty of building the kernel is not a function of the complexity of the change I want to make to the kernel.
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# [19:55] <yzen> Yoric, hi. I was wondering if you had a chance to take a look at my last comment on #828204. let me know whenever you have time
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# [20:02] <cpeterson> hg policy question: I accidentally `hg push`'d to aurora a rebased change that, unbeknownst to me, someone already landed for me. `hg push` ended up committing an empty changeset to some files I did not edit. Should I "back out" this changeset (for documentation purposes), even though it contains no file changes?
# [20:02] <mounir> hg out ssh://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/ is taking forever
# [20:02] <mounir> is m-i overflowed?
# [20:02] <bsmedberg> gregglind: ping
# [20:02] <bsmedberg> cpeterson: no
# [20:02] <bsmedberg> cpeterson: well... what does "empty changeset to some files" mean?
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# [20:03] <mbrubeck> bsmedberg: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/rev/ff6e15559f1d
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# [20:03] <mbrubeck> I'm not sure exactly why hg/hgweb lists those files
# [20:03] <cpeterson> bsmedberg: this commit says I edit two files, but the diffs are empty and if I `hg log` the individual files, the log does not mention my commit
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# [20:04] <mbrubeck> the raw diff just has nothing: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/raw-rev/ff6e15559f1d
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# [20:04] <mbrubeck> cpeterson: I would just comment in the bug about what happened; that should be enough to clear up any future confusion.
# [20:05] <cpeterson> mbrubeck, thanks.
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# [20:05] <edmorley> mbrubeck: probably just hgweb bugs that would be fixed if we updated to a less ancient mercurial on hg.m.o :-/
# [20:06] <edmorley> decoder: you're welcome :-) (rypple thanks for asan)
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# [20:07] <lmandel> BenWa: Are you attending the platform meeting? Do you want to introduce your performance reporter and make a pitch for people to enable it?
# [20:07] <mbrubeck> edmorley: My hg.m.o upgrade bug is coming up on its first birthday. :) (bug 725362)
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# [20:09] <edmorley> mbrubeck: yeah :-(
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# [20:16] <mrbkap> Why is Firefox Sync so persistent in getting rid of all of my bookmarks?
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# [20:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3ec9a94061f9 - Justin Lebar - Bug 789975 - Disable purging of MADV_FREE'd pages on MacOS when collecting RSS from Telemetry. r=njn, a=akeybl
# [20:17] <Ms2ger> That must be the if (user === "mrbkap") clause I put in
# [20:17] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: Yeah, I figured.
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# [20:18] <Ms2ger> Yw
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# [20:18] <mrbkap> Ms2ger: This is the 2nd time on this computer and now the 4th time I've seen the bug :(
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# [20:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f62e2d44d989 - L. David Baron - Bug 832352, patch 1: Make sure all browser mozconfigs include build/mozconfig.common and that they all include build/mozconfig.common.override last. r=ted
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# [20:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b89c49f1e5d6 - L. David Baron - Bug 832352, patch 2: Make sure all mobile/android mozconfigs include build/mozconfig.common.override. r=ted
# [20:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a90916498dfa - L. David Baron - Bug 832352, patch 3: Make sure all b2g mozconfigs include build/mozconfig.common . r=ted
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# [20:27] <@ted> jrmuizel: pong (was in an interview)
# [20:27] <jrmuizel> ted: I ran into this problem where when we build .S files we don't "-include mozilla-config.h"
# [20:27] <jrmuizel> ted: I'm looking for a suggested solution
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# [20:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/335f68150ae0 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 833427: Hide the homescreen widget. [r=mfinkle]
# [20:28] <@ted> hum
# [20:28] <@ehsan> froydnj: thanks got the blog post
# [20:29] <@ted> jrmuizel: do we know if all the assemblers we support would be ok with including that file?
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# [20:29] <jimm> ehsan: what's the deal on pgo / vs 12?
# [20:29] <jimm> someone mentioned we were discussing switching in the platform meeting
# [20:29] <@ehsan> jimm: we need to investigate if vs2012 uses significantly less memory when doing a pgo build
# [20:29] <jrmuizel> ted: no, but in the case that I care about we're assembling with gcc
# [20:29] <@ehsan> jimm: that is, vs2012 update 1
# [20:30] <jimm> right
# [20:30] <@ehsan> jimm: _if_ that is the case, then we can discuss switching :)
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# [20:31] <froydnj> ehsan: it's already outdated!
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# [20:32] <jimm> ehsan: ok. so fyi, metro code doesn't have an issue with pgo since we completed the back port.
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# [20:32] <@ehsan> jimm: and the tree's open now \o/
# [20:32] <jimm> the component extensions stuff couldn't be pgo'd, but that doesn't apply to us anymore.
# [20:32] <@ehsan> good!
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# [20:33] <philor> jesup: looks like Android would just as soon not run those PeerConnection tests
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# [20:33] <jesup> philor: ah. probably not (yet)
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# [20:34] <jesup> philor: I'll back out, unless you prefer a quick bustage fix instead
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# [20:35] <@ted> are those not somehow #ifdef MOZ_WEBRTC ?
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# [20:36] <jesup> they should be...
# [20:36] <philor> jesup: it's just Android, doesn't matter to me any more than it does to anyone else :)
# [20:36] <philor> see also: beta
# [20:36] <jrmuizel> ted: thoughts?
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# [20:37] <@ted> jrmuizel: so if we're assembling with gcc, then just adding the -include should work, right?
# [20:37] <jrmuizel> ted: correct
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# [20:38] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: https://github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central/tree/graphics
# [20:38] <jrmuizel> ted: I'm wondering about the best way to make that happen
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# [20:38] <jrmuizel> ehsan: \o/
# [20:39] <froydnj> ehsan: hm, the github repo hasn't updated in a couple of days?
# [20:39] <jesup> ted: so if *those* are run on android, aren't the getUserMedia tests run there too? But we don't support it there yet...
# [20:39] <jesup> ted: odd
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# [20:40] <@ehsan> froydnj: whut?
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# [20:41] <froydnj> ehsan: I see HEAD at 5431e970, which was early Sunday UTC
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# [20:41] <@ehsan> hrm'
# [20:41] <@ehsan> froydnj: let me see
# [20:42] <@ehsan> you're right...
# [20:42] <@ehsan> let me see what's up
# [20:42] <@ted> jesup: that doesn't make much sense, certainly
# [20:42] <froydnj> wasn't enough to solve the vsize crisis ;)
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# [20:43] <jesup> ted: found it. runTest() has a parameter, desktopsupportedonly, which is set to true in the gUM tests, and not set at all in the peerconnection tests
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# [20:43] <jesup> When it got added to gUM, someone didn't update the peerconnection tests
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# [20:43] <jesup> easy fix
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# [20:45] <@ted> jrmuizel: so looks like COMPILE_CFLAGS picks it up here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#8730
# [20:45] <@ted> it's in _DEFINES_CFLAGS
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# [20:45] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/rules.mk#996
# [20:45] <@ted> right now we pass ASFLAGS
# [20:45] <jrmuizel> yep
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# [20:45] <jrmuizel> and I don't thinnk ASFLAGS go through the 'echo' setp
# [20:46] <@ehsan> froydnj: fatal: Unable to create '/data/repositories/9/nw/95/f0/ba/2797815/2797815.git/refs/heads/master.lock': File exists.
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# [20:46] <@ted> do we already have a configure test that tells us if we're using gcc as our assembler?
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# [20:46] <@ted> if so, you could just stuff _DEFINES_CFLAGS into ASFLAGS in there
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# [20:47] <biesi> hmm so someone mentioned me in the last few days, but I can't figure out how to find that mention in irccloud
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# [20:48] <derf> ted: Yes, GNU_AS
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# [20:48] <jesup> ted: fix is up on bug 825510. Backout and reland with the original patch, or just land the update (assuming r+)? philor?
# [20:49] <@ted> jesup: don't care either way, ask the sheriffs
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# [20:49] <jesup> ted: danka
# [20:50] <@ehsan> does anybody have any contacts at github?
# [20:50] <joe> somebody kill ehsan
# [20:50] <froydnj> ehsan: doh, that's not good
# [20:50] * @smaug cries http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/services/common/async.js#89
# [20:50] <philor> jesup: sheriff is #developers, do what suits you
# [20:51] <froydnj> smaug: best to hid your event loop spining from those who might want to remove it
# [20:51] <froydnj> *hide, even
# [20:51] <khuey> that's been there forever
# [20:51] <khuey> yay sync!
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# [20:52] <jimm> the next rev of Sync is supposed to address it
# [20:52] <JosiahOne> Is Browser.js used on Firefox Mobile?
# [20:52] <@smaug> good!
# [20:53] <jdm> JosiahOne: not the one in browser/base/content
# [20:53] <jdm> JosiahOne: mobile code is under mobile/
# [20:53] <JosiahOne> jdm: Good.
# [20:53] <jdm> mobile/android, that is
# [20:53] <JosiahOne> Thanks.
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# [20:54] <jimm> smaug: bug 600059
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# [20:56] <jrmuizel> ted: should we make a _DEFINES_ASFLAGS?
# [20:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa7dc7b5ca52 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 830595 - Add JSAutoCompartment to nsJSContext::ExecuteScript. r=bz
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# [20:56] <@ted> if you think it's necessary to split it off, i didn't see anything in _DEFINES_CFLAGS that looked like it'd be a problem
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# [20:57] <mfinkle> JosiahOne, mobile does have a browser.js file, but it's not shared with desktop
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# [20:57] <JosiahOne> mfinkle: Yeah, that's good. Thanks.
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# [20:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d567ebd2624 - Randell Jesup - Bug 825510: Mark PeerConnection mochitests as desktopsupportedonly r=ted
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# [20:59] <@ehsan> froydnj: ok, summary is, I need to wait to hear from github...
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# [20:59] <@ehsan> froydnj: good news is that other branches there (including inbound) are not affected
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# [21:00] <froydnj> ehsan: ah, cool
# [21:00] <froydnj> ehsan: thanks for looking at/maintaining it!
# [21:00] <@ehsan> not a problem
# [21:01] <jesup> Starred a whole bunch of Android M4's
# [21:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a7ba9c337287 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 833505: Add MOZ_FINAL annotations to calm GCC's -Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor warnings in nsGIOProtocolHandler and nsGSettingsService. blanket-r=ehsan
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# [21:04] <JosiahOne> Lastly, where/is there a Browser.js for B2G?
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# [21:05] <jrmuizel> ted: don't we need the shell evaluation through 'echo'?
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# [21:07] <@ted> jrmuizel: not sure if we do or if that's just for hygiene
# [21:07] <@ted> you could do that, it's probably not harmful
# [21:07] <jrmuizel> ted: ok
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# [21:07] <@bz> Assertion failure: !recorded, at ../../../../mozilla/toolkit/components/telemetry/Telemetry.cpp:2002
# [21:07] <jrmuizel> ted: thanks, I'll try to get a patch together
# [21:07] * @bz wonders how to get those to stop
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> Update
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# [21:08] <Ms2ger> That assert is commented out on trunk
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# [21:09] <@bz> Ms2ger: aha!
# [21:09] * @bz ponders doing that
# [21:09] <Ms2ger> Either that or commenting it out locally, I guess
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# [21:10] <spohl> JosiahOne: I may have time to provide an example later this week
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# [21:11] <JosiahOne> spohl: That's fine. I'll keep looking, maybe I can figure it out before then.
# [21:11] <spohl> JosiahOne: great, thanks!
# [21:11] <JosiahOne> spohl: No, thank you.
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# [21:13] <mkaply> Is that the norm?
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# [21:18] <gregglind> bsmedberg, pong
# [21:18] <bsmedberg> gregglind: did you see my email about testpilot logging? I need to know how to do that so I can have the patches ready for the UR build in the next week or so
# [21:19] <gregglind> okay, I need to comb mail today.
# [21:19] <gregglind> And will review them.
# [21:19] <bsmedberg> thanks
# [21:19] <gregglind> Sorry for the delay.
# [21:19] <gregglind> I have been getting up to speed on all the tangles around new private browsing mode
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# [21:19] <gregglind> and what that should me for tp.
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# [21:20] <@ehsan> BenWa: can you please get the numbers that bz asked for?
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# [21:24] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, heh, do we really not support non-ascii-compatible file systems? :)
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# [21:26] <bsmedberg> hah, nsIByteArrayInputStream doesn't exist
# [21:26] <bsmedberg> but netwerk/test/TestSocketIO.cpp still references it
# [21:26] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: hg rm the thing?
# [21:26] <Ms2ger> TestSocketIO.cpp isn't even in the makefile
# [21:26] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: or just get me to do that?
# [21:26] <bsmedberg> not my module, so I won't
# [21:27] <@ehsan> heh, fair enough
# [21:27] <@ehsan> I can write that patch
# [21:27] <Ms2ger> ehsan, want to remove the other ones there, under the "# XXX Make this work in libxul builds." comment, too? :)
# [21:27] <@ehsan> oh noes
# [21:27] <@ehsan> this suddenly scope creeped
# [21:27] <Ms2ger> Yw
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# [21:28] <@ehsan> I won't :)
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# [21:30] <Waldo> er, did we turn off -Wsign-compare? :-(
# [21:30] <biesi> bsmedberg: lots of netwerk/test isn't compiled
# [21:31] <biesi> bsmedberg: though several of those aren't automated tests anyway
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# [21:32] <bsmedberg> jeez, I have a bug here which is open, a potential security issue, is marked fixed-aviary1.0, and is NEW
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# [21:49] <@dbaron> dholbert, is the red win opt your fault, or random?
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# [21:51] <philor> or is it separately his fault that we have webidl race conditions on Windows, and it just bitterly hit at him on a unconnected push?
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# [21:55] <JosiahOne> spohl: Question. For this animation, should I move _prevBox and _positionBox, or should I still use updateAnimation(aVal)? I don't believe the animation works with the later, CSS animations move an actual box right?
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# [21:57] <spohl> JosiahOne: right, you will probably want to write a method in gHistorySwipeAnimation that interacts on the box elements directly.
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# [21:58] <JosiahOne> spohl: Can I access the box elements outside of gHistorySwipeAnimation?
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# [21:58] <JosiahOne> Or is calling private properties going to get review-?
# [21:59] <dholbert> dbaron, random. filed bug on it
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# [21:59] <dholbert> and retriggered
# [21:59] <spohl> JosiahOne: you can, but shouldn't.
# [21:59] <dholbert> (and starred)
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# [21:59] <spohl> JosiahOne: note the underscore in the variable names of the box elements, which indicates that this should be treated as private
# [21:59] <JosiahOne> spohl: Now I always wanted to know why we shouldn't call these?
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# [22:00] <spohl> JosiahOne: encapsulation is the term you'll want to look up.
# [22:00] <JosiahOne> spohl: To enclose something?
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# [22:00] <JosiahOne> Or some specific term?
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# [22:00] <spohl> JosiahOne: to understand why you shouldn't call those directly
# [22:01] <JosiahOne> Oh, I got it. You mean from an Object-Oriented perspective.
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# [22:03] <JosiahOne> spohl: Alright, that's fine. For now though, I will call them directly, and then make the methods that alter them later. If that's fine.
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# [22:03] <dholbert> philor, it sounds like you've seen that sort of webidl race condition before -- do you know if there's already a bug filed on it?
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# [22:03] <dholbert> philor, (aside from the bug I just filed, 833533 )
# [22:04] <spohl> JosiahOne: that's fine for a prototype. I don't recommend sending it for review though.
# [22:04] <JosiahOne> spohl: No, I wouldn't.
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# [22:06] <JosiahOne> spohl: So from looking at this, positionBox is the "forward" page, prevBox is the previous one, and curBox is the one we are currently on. Right?
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# [22:08] <BenWa> ehsan: First of all I don't really know how to measure what is being asked. And I don't want to take all the time required to do this measurement for a partial incomplete patch
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# [22:09] <BenWa> Finishing the patch is much easier then repeating this experiment twice
# [22:09] <BenWa> with the partial and again with the full patch
# [22:09] <spohl> JosiahOne: _positionBox is a method that positons a box element
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# [22:10] <spohl> JosiahOne: you then have three box elements: _curBox, _nextBox, _prevBox
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# [22:10] <JosiahOne> spohl: Ah, alright, thanks.
# [22:10] <spohl> JosiahOne: and when in doubt, I recommend trying it out for yourself
# [22:10] <spohl> JosiahOne: it'll give you a better understanding of the whole mechanism at the same time
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# [22:20] <@smaug> what was the url to check tryserver usage
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# [22:21] <philor> dholbert: aside from the one eight pushes below you, no, I haven't seen it
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# [22:21] <dholbert> smaug, https://people.mozilla.com/~catlee/highscores/highscores.html or http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/ , depending on what you're looking for
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# [22:21] <dholbert> philor, ok
# [22:21] <@smaug> the first one
# [22:21] <@smaug> thanks
# [22:22] <dholbert> np
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# [22:25] <philor> great, I chased the M8 bustage on beta back to the blocklist update, that makes perfect sense
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# [22:27] <djc> was there a bug about that the issue that click to play always pops up an alert even if it's enabled by hand instead of by soft-blocking (for security reasons etc)?
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# [22:27] <djc> I thought there was, but I can't seem to find it now
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# [22:36] <@ehsan> sfink: thanks! :)
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# [23:01] <JosiahOne> Why does this keeping breaking browser.js http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2078975
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# [23:01] <JosiahOne> What's wrong with that code? I can find no way debug it without Firefox working.
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# [23:02] <mfinkle> JosiahOne, looks like you are trying to put raw css in JS
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# [23:02] <JosiahOne> mfinkle: Hmm… You know of a way to fix that? How else would I accomplish this?
# [23:03] <nemo> Hm. In the discussion of the Opera move to webkit on iOS (and maybe presaging abandoning Presto) there were devs on ycombinator chatting about Opera team size and how it was totally outgunned
# [23:03] <nemo> but the number of devs they were talking about seemed, well, similar to the number of moz devs
# [23:03] <fryn> you would put the CSS in browser/themes/pinstripe/...browser.css
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# [23:03] <dholbert> JosiahOne, ^^
# [23:03] <nemo> so I got curious. how many full-time devs work on the engine
# [23:03] <fryn> and add the class (via classList or something) in browser.js
# [23:03] <fryn> JosiahOne: ^
# [23:03] <spohl> JosiahOne: aside from the obvious that mfinkle pointed out, you're also missing a ; on line 10
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# [23:04] <JosiahOne> fryn: So I put it in the CSS file, and call it how?
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# [23:06] <jaws> JosiahOne: i would recommend experimenting with a regular webpage since it will be quicker to iterate
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# [23:06] <jaws> JosiahOne: but as fryn said, you can trigger different css styles to apply by changing or adding CSS classes
# [23:07] <jaws> s/CSS classes/class attributes
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# [23:09] <dougt> bsmith
# [23:09] <dougt> ping?
# [23:09] <bsmith> dougt: pong
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# [23:09] <dougt> unping.
# [23:09] <khuey> lol
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# [23:12] * JosiahOne Can't find s/CES classes/class attributes
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# [23:13] <JosiahOne> jaws: Where is s/CES classes? What does s mean here?
# [23:13] <nalexander> JosiahOne: s/// is sed/vim syntax for "replace".
# [23:13] <@dolske> HEY EVERYBODY RYANVM
# [23:13] <nalexander> Read s/a/b/ as "replace 'a' with 'b'"
# [23:14] <dholbert> dolske++
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# [23:14] <JosiahOne> Oh.
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# [23:16] <JosiahOne> I still don't see css classes
# [23:16] <Waldo> anyone know offhand what the criteria are for deciding whether the URL bar can be yellowed? I'm wondering why https://webmail.mit.edu/ isn't yellowed, specifically
# [23:17] <stransky> ttaubert, hi, I still see the thumbnail in the cache dir...has it been removed recently?
# [23:17] <jaws> Waldo: yellowed?
# [23:17] <@smaug> Waldo must be using Opera
# [23:17] <ttaubert> stransky: in $profile/Cache ?
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# [23:17] <Waldo> jaws: don't we have a gold bar or something for https these days, unless it's https that uses an old encryption method or something?
# [23:18] <ttaubert> stransky: we store them in $profile/thumbnails/
# [23:18] <jaws> Waldo: https uses a padlock. https+ev uses a green padlock
# [23:18] <Waldo> huh
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# [23:18] <Waldo> I really remember yellow, and green bar for EV only
# [23:18] <Waldo> maybe this was a UI change I just haven't noticed until now
# [23:18] <stransky> ttaubert, yes. And the patch moves cache data from $profile to ~/.cache/$profile
# [23:19] <Waldo> huh, maybe that's what it is
# [23:19] <stransky> ttaubert, so it moves thumbnails to ~/.cache/$profile/thumbnails
# [23:19] <jaws> Waldo: firefox 14 is when it was changed, bug 742419
# [23:19] <ttaubert> stransky: why is the whole profile directory moved to ~/.cache/?
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# [23:19] <stransky> ttaubert, not whole profile, only cache data from the profile
# [23:20] <@dolske> Waldo: plain SSL used to be blue, that's gone. I don't think we ever used yellow, although I vaguely recall that being an IE or CHrome thing.
# [23:20] <jimm> do we support some sort of dom event for text selection changed?
# [23:20] <stransky> ttaubert, /Cache, /startupCache, /safebrowsing
# [23:20] <stransky> that's all
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# [23:20] <ttaubert> stransky: then thumbnails shouldn't be in there
# [23:20] <ttaubert> they're in the "thumbnails" directory in the profile
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# [23:20] <jaws> Waldo, dolske: https://bug742419.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=644321
# [23:21] <jaws> smaug: ^
# [23:21] <stransky> ttaubert, aren't thumbnails a kind of cached data?
# [23:21] <dholbert> Walso / jaws / dolske, see also: https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/site-identity-ui-updates/
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# [23:21] <stransky> ttaubert, why should we keep them in original place?
# [23:21] <Waldo> jaws: the yellow I remember is in the image on http://download.cnet.com/get-your-hands-on-firefox-3-beta-4/
# [23:21] <Waldo> er, dolske ^
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# [23:22] <ttaubert> stransky: oh, hm. didn't think about it that way
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# [23:23] <@dolske> 5 years ago? yikes.
# [23:23] * dholbert wonders if Waldo turned off browser updates in Firefox 3 beta 4 and has been running that (plus a gradually-accumulating pile of malware) ever since
# [23:23] <jaws> Waldo: might want to update your firefox more often ;)
# [23:23] <ttaubert> stransky: yes they are. if we lose the they're just replaced and everything works without them, just uglier :)
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# [23:23] <Waldo> jaws: oh, this is nightly, maybe I just don't *see* the location bar much
# [23:23] * Waldo hasn't run stable for years
# [23:23] <jaws> :)
# [23:24] <stransky> ttaubert, yeah. generally the bug is about that all cache-type data are moved to ~/.cache/firefox/$profile (instead of ~/.mozilla/firefox/$profile) and the ~/.cache can be a local disk or so. (if you have profiles on NFS for instance)
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# [23:24] <mak> stransky: fwiw, on windows thumbnails are in the local profile, not the remote one
# [23:24] <Waldo> dholbert: I stopped updating when those idiots turned off the status bar, of course
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# [23:24] <mak> stransky: exactly cause they are not profile data, but a cache
# [23:24] <stransky> mak, yeah, this bug is about linux
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# [23:24] * Waldo thinks that was after 3.xish
# [23:24] <Waldo> maybe
# [23:24] <Waldo> meh
# [23:25] <Waldo> humor accomplished even if not accurately
# [23:25] <mak> stransky: then makes sense, they should not be in the profile... but likely anything that is stored to the "local" profile should not be. I think linux defines the "local" and "remote" profiles the same?
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# [23:25] <ttaubert> stransky: where exactly does the patch change the thumbnail directory destination?
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# [23:25] <dholbert> Waldo, :)
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# [23:27] <stransky> ttaubert, anyway, would you like to review the PageThumbs.jsm change? in nsCacheProfilePrefObserver::ReadPrefs().
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# [23:27] <JosiahOne> css*
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# [23:27] <stransky> ttaubert, a different profile dir is returned for cache data
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# [23:28] <Waldo> also, cut me some slack, Firefox 14 was like four months ago :-P
# [23:28] <stransky> mak, everything is local now in linux
# [23:28] <dholbert> JosiahOne, you're not "switching" -- your pastebin _was_ CSS animations, pasted into a javascript function
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# [23:29] <mak> stransky: hm, I thought the differentiation between local and remote was there to distinguish user data from program data...
# [23:29] <ttaubert> stransky: so ProfLD returns a different directory for Linux now than ProfD does?
# [23:29] <JosiahOne> dholbert: But Browser.js is javascript. So I am not sure why I am now using a CSS animation instead of a javascript one.
# [23:29] <dholbert> JosiahOne, so: you can _trigger_ CSS animations from javascript
# [23:30] <dholbert> JosiahOne, do you know what a CSS class is?
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# [23:30] <philor> oh, my. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/marionette/client/marionette/tests/unit/test_timeouts.py#20
# [23:30] <mak> stransky: but sorry, maybe you are saying the same thing and I just misunderstood the "now"!
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# [23:30] <JosiahOne> dholbert: Not really. I haven't worked with web-based languages before.
# [23:31] <dholbert> JosiahOne, OK. you might want to read through a CSS tutorial -- that will probably help with this stuff making sense
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# [23:31] <JosiahOne> dholbert: Yeah, I also looking at this: http://www.impressivewebs.com/css3-transitions-javascript/
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# [23:31] <JosiahOne> I'll be back. Dinner.
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# [23:33] <dholbert> JosiahOne, basically, CSS classes are sort of like "tags" you can appy to HTML elements, which determine what chunks of CSS get applied to them. Using javascript, you can edit the list of classes on an element. So, at a high level, that's how you'd trigger CSS animations, on HTML elements, using Javascript
# [23:34] <dholbert> JosiahOne, anything beyond that & what fryn/jaws already said is probably outside the scope of #developers -- you might want to try #introduction
# [23:35] <stransky> ttaubert, yes, it changes the ProfLD. and others (ProfDS and home).
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# [23:35] <dholbert> JosiahOne, see also https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/CSS/Tutorials/Using_CSS_animations (though that may make varying amounts of sense depending on your CSS knowledge)
# [23:35] <stransky> ttaubert, it's the change in nsCacheService.cpp
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# [23:37] <ttaubert> stransky: not the one in nsXREDirProvider?
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# [23:37] <stransky> ttaubert, yeah, maybe
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# [23:39] <ttaubert> stransky: ok, so either we don't need to change the storage version number because we'll just look for them in another path or we increase the version number and use that to copy the data so that we don't lose thumbnails
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# [23:41] <stransky> ttaubert, I think it's better to copy them (and change the version), without that the thumbnails are left in the profile dir and wastes the space there.
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# [23:41] <ttaubert> stransky: yeah
# [23:41] <ttaubert> stransky: I'll comment in the bug
# [23:41] <fryn> dholbert: a belated "awesome work!" for Flexbox! :)
# [23:41] <stransky> ttaubert, Thanks!
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# [23:42] <fryn> dholbert: does flex-flow: ... "wrap" work yet?
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# [23:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/76611c3de0d7 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 823147 - Avoid moving the start location of non-repeating radial gradients. r=roc
# [23:42] <stransky> mak, The local and remote dirs are the same on linux right now and we try to fix it.
# [23:43] <mak> stransky: yes, that's what I was asking, good thing!
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# [23:44] <stransky> yeah, it is :)
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# [23:46] <dholbert> fryn, thanks! and, no
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# [23:47] <dholbert> fryn, that's tracked in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702508 if you want to CC yourself
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# [23:47] <fryn> dholbert: thanks
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# [23:51] <joe> bbondy: ugh i absolutely cannot find this tool
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# [23:52] <joe> and vcvars.bat looks like it has no idea how the windows 8 sdk is done
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# [23:52] <ojan> dholbert: i just looked at the flexbox master bug and i don't see supporting flex-basis there...is there a bug for that?
# [23:53] <stransky> ttaubert, well, the thumb movement is managed by the patch - if (version < 3) this.removeThumbnailsFromRoamingProfile(); code.
# [23:53] <ojan> dholbert: one of the teams looking to use flexbox had issues w/ flex-basis not working in the nightlies
# [23:53] <bbondy> how about guess-msvc.bat
# [23:54] <ttaubert> stransky: oh yeah, sorry that makes sense. my brain isn't fully functional today :| so that should move everything to its new place, nice
# [23:54] <bbondy> does it contain SDK80Key?
# [23:54] <bbondy> it should be contained in a 6.0a or 6.1 sdk
# [23:54] <stransky> ttaubert, yeah, that's the point :)
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# [23:55] <dholbert> ojan, that came in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696253
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# [23:55] <dholbert> ojan, ("that" = support for flex-basis, I mean)
# [23:55] <bbondy> joe: this is my guess-msvc.bat: http://pastebin.com/Zay582q9
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# [23:55] <dholbert> ojan, it should work -- do you have a testcase? or, please encourage them to email me or file a bug!
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# [23:56] <JosiahOne> dholbert: Okay, I think I am starting to understand this, but only when using an html file with jQuery. Esentially, when I can write the CSS in the html file. How would I call this css class if it is in say, the already mentioned, themes/pinstripe/browser.css?
# [23:56] <bbondy> joe: and this is my start-msvc10.bat: http://pastebin.com/5MZ7q0Bh
# [23:57] <bbondy> joe: I think this is the SDK I'm installing it now to check : http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=11310
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# [23:57] <bbondy> wait until I give confirmation though to save time i it's not right
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# [23:57] <joe> i definitely have the latest mozillabuild
# [23:57] <bbondy> joe: yup that's it
# [23:57] <dholbert> JosiahOne, I'm not a front-end developer (and I've never used jQuery), plus I'm a bit busy, so I can't offer too much further guidance. You might try #fx-team, where front-end development (e.g. on browser.js / browser.css) happens
# [23:57] <bbondy> I just installed it and it installed to: C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.1\Setup\WindowsSdkVer.exe
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# [23:58] <dholbert> JosiahOne, briefly, you'd paste in your pastebin there, inside of a " .myClass { " selector
# [23:58] <dholbert> JosiahOne, and then when you want the animation to be triggered, I think you'd set the element in question to have class="myClass"
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# [23:59] <joe> bbondy: oh
# [23:59] <JosiahOne> dholbert: I'll try fx-team, thanks so much for your help.
# [23:59] <joe> bbondy: i was looking in Program Files (x86)
# [23:59] <joe> but
# [23:59] <joe> it opens a thing with no installed windows sdk verisons apparently
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