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# Session Start: Thu Jan 31 00:00:01 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <@ehsan> hwine|focus: what is the correct venue for this conversation then?
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# [00:00] <@ehsan> I need to know whether I should be concerned or not, and why
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# [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/deb2580ab7cf - Bobby Holley - Bug 809652 - Have SecurityWrapper::enter default to deny, and override SecurityWrapper::objectClassIs. r=jorendorff
# [00:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e30b3c95b3ba - Bobby Holley - Bug 809652 - Add gross one-off predicates to jsfriendapi. r=jorendorff
# [00:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/148a94419660 - Bobby Holley - Bug 809652 - Deny nativeCall for SecurityWrapper except under specific circumstances. r=jorendorff a=bajaj
# [00:01] <jorendorff> huh
# [00:01] <jorendorff> reviewing something gross doesn't sound like something i'd do. oh wait.
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# [00:02] <bholley> jorendorff: :-)
# [00:02] <jlebar> jhford: It's clear that supporting developers is not a priority for hwine|focus. I hope that's not misrepresenting what he's said in a number of venues. We have been burned countless times by relying on gecko.git. Inasmuch as we can choose not to rely on it, I think that would be wise.
# [00:03] <jlebar> s/gecko.git/releng's various git repositories/
# [00:03] <jhford> jlebar: moving to ehsan's mirror is going cause a lot of trouble for developers who switch between master and any of the other manifest branches
# [00:03] <@ehsan> jhford: those developers are already on the github branch
# [00:03] <@ehsan> s/branch/mirror/
# [00:04] <jlebar> jhford: If you're suggesting we move all the manifests over to github, I'd agree with that.
# [00:04] <jlebar> jhford: partners use their own manifests.
# [00:04] <jhammel> sheppy: sorry for the delay 2~https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836529
# [00:04] <jhford> that's not my call to make
# [00:04] <jlebar> jhford: Understood.
# [00:04] <jhford> yes, but we want to use a common set of gecko commit ids
# [00:04] <sheppy> jhammel: np - thanks
# [00:04] <jhammel> heh, i guess this is not my day for pasting urls ;)
# [00:04] <@ehsan> jhford: I actually don't think that is something that anybody has been optimizing for :(
# [00:05] <jlebar> ehsan: jhford is still right that it's something /to/ optimize for!
# [00:05] <jhammel> sheppy: a bit ago we talked about auto-linkifying at least http(s):// URLs in text which i *thought* i filed, but my memory's awful
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# [00:05] <@ehsan> jhford: at least for gecko.git, releng explicitly chose that to be a non-goal
# [00:05] <jhammel> but that's still active too
# [00:05] <jlebar> jhford: FWIW, I had an e-mail ready for this, but c.jones asked me to wait until b2g had calmed down, so as not to create another distraction.
# [00:05] <@smaug> I wonder at which point we should replace dromaeo with something better
# [00:05] <jhford> jlebar: rgr
# [00:05] <jhammel> anyway, stepping out for a bit, but i'll be back in a few
# [00:05] <@ehsan> jlebar: yeah, but we don't live in that perfect world, unfortunately
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# [00:06] <jhford> ehsan: my understanding was that gecko.git was specifically designed to have a single set of shared commits between the different gecko branches
# [00:06] <sheppy> jhammel: on MDN? Those should already be getting linkified automatically.
# [00:06] <sheppy> Although as a matter of style we mostly prefer people not just embed raw URLs but actually have nice links. :)
# [00:06] <@ehsan> jhford: well, the context is that everybody (devs and partners) were already using the github commit sha1s
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# [00:07] <@ehsan> jlebar: and ideally that would not have changed with a mozilla hosted and supported git mirror
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# [00:07] <jhford> do you mean gecko.git or your mirror?
# [00:07] <@ehsan> sorry, jhford: ^
# [00:07] <@ehsan> jhford: the github mirror
# [00:07] <jhford> b/c my understanding was that we were deciding on gecko.git shas
# [00:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dedbcc774413 - Chris Jones - Bug 834150: Just Say No to the fallback SW decoder. r=doublec a=blocking-b2g
# [00:07] * @smaug is pretty sure we haven't seen >40% improvements to perf tests often
# [00:07] <@smaug> ++bz
# [00:07] <@ehsan> jhford: I'm talking about back when gecko.git did not exist
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# [00:07] <@ehsan> jhford: right, ok, you're talking about sha1s for git branches, right?
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# [00:08] <jhford> oh, yah
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# [00:08] <@ehsan> ok yeah then you're right
# [00:08] <@ehsan> but that's not what I'm talking about
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# [00:09] <@ehsan> jhford: anyways, the point here is that people should consider the github mirror a nicety that can go away at any time
# [00:09] <jlebar> jhford: Would it be possible to remove gecko.git from the master checkout and require people to use .userconfig?
# [00:09] <@ehsan> when I'm on vacation, in the air, or hit by a bus
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# [00:10] <jhford> jlebar: that's one of the options
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# [00:10] <jlebar> jhford: using ehsan's repository seems preferable to me, but removing it seems preferable to continuing to point to an outdated gecko.git.
# [00:10] <jhford> i agree
# [00:11] <@ehsan> jlebar: removing what?
# [00:11] <jhford> aside from order
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# [00:11] <jhford> ehsan: making repo checkout *no* gecko
# [00:11] <jhford> nothing is better than invalid
# [00:11] <@ehsan> oh, yeah, ok
# [00:11] <jhford> err, having nothing is better than having an invalid thing
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# [00:11] <jhford> lots of things are better than invalid ;)
# [00:11] <@ehsan> agreed
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# [00:12] <@ehsan> but I still did not get an answer to my original concern :(
# [00:13] <Waldo> jorendorff, bholley: ...wow that is gross
# [00:13] <bholley> Waldo: sure is
# [00:13] <bholley> Waldo: that's one reason why we need to kill COWs
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# [00:14] <Waldo> it's true, I haven't had a good steak in awhile
# [00:14] <bholley> Waldo: SOWs, too
# [00:14] <@ehsan> vladan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833890#c6
# [00:14] <bholley> Waldo: it's nightmare in farmville
# [00:14] <jlebar> lol
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# [00:14] <Waldo> and of course one can never have enough bacon
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# [00:16] <RyanVM> seth: just had to back you out
# [00:16] <seth> RyanVM: which one?
# [00:16] <RyanVM> bug 828176
# [00:17] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=25ea9ac37380
# [00:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/838146e5e46a - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 25ea9ac37380 (bug 828176) for crashes.
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# [00:18] <seth> Oh dear
# [00:18] <seth> looking back at the bug, I realize that I forgot to upload the updated version of the patch
# [00:18] <seth> RyanVM: sorry for wasting your time =(
# [00:19] <philor> looks like fabrice could use an escort to the door, too
# [00:19] <fabrice> philor: damn
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# [00:19] <RyanVM> heh
# [00:19] <RyanVM> was about to say the same
# [00:19] <RyanVM> seth: don't feel bad, fabrice will soon be joining you in backout land
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# [00:20] <jhammel> if we could only get our orangefactor down (iknowrite?) we could test before we finalized
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# [00:20] <jhammel> of course then we'd have to let go of RyanVM :P
# [00:20] <fabrice> RyanVM: just don't backout bd0fc79d7a8b
# [00:20] <jhammel> RyanVM: i don't know why i tease you
# [00:21] <RyanVM> fabrice: *sigh* Time to re-do my backout push
# [00:21] <fabrice> RyanVM: nvm if you did already
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# [00:22] <firebot> Check-in:
# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/220ee1b126c3 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset bd0fc79d7a8b (bug 835548), changeset b8d1949eeb05 (bug 834999), changeset 3d90fdbf38a4 (bug 835596), and changeset ba7ffb02dc3f (bug 834371) for
# [00:22] <firebot> mochitest-4 failures on a CLOSED TREE.
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# [00:22] <philor> try backlog's only 13 hours
# [00:23] <kinetik> rail: ping
# [00:23] <rail> kinetik: pong
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# [00:23] <kinetik> rail: re 574190, are the fedora machines going away (replaced by ubuntu) for m-c and try?
# [00:23] <RyanVM> jhammel: if they're not making fun of you, they don't like you
# [00:24] <jhammel> :)
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# [00:24] <jhammel> hmmm....but i make fun of Canadians...i don't know if i like what that says about me
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# [00:24] <Waldo> jhammel: nothing but good?
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# [00:25] <jhford> jhammel: hey! play nice
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# [00:25] <Waldo> jhammel: alternatively, nothing at all, logically
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# [00:25] <jhammel> Waldo: that is probably the case ;)
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# [00:25] <rail> kinetik: they will be, but gradually. once bug 834725 is fixed we'll run all unittests on Ubuntu. We'll be still running talos on fedora
# [00:25] <jhammel> the weird thing is we had several Canadians at my last job so i just arbitrarily started it
# [00:26] <jhammel> and then i come to Mozilla...
# [00:26] <rail> kinetik: fedora for talos will be replace as well but not in q1
# [00:26] <jhammel> rail: i assume that will require the number-balancing tango?
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# [00:26] <kinetik> rail: okay, cool, i think the answer's no to your question, then
# [00:27] <rail> kinetik: kill the bug then?! :)
# [00:27] <kinetik> rail: will do
# [00:27] <rail> thanks
# [00:28] <rail> jhammel: yeah, will need to adjust numbers for talos
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# [00:28] <jhammel> rail: yep :( always "fun"
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# [00:28] <jhammel> we may or may not have datazilla by then
# [00:28] <jhammel> at least as a primary source of truth
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# [00:29] <rail> jhammel: yeah, the talos switch is not planned yet, need moar hardware
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# [00:30] <jhammel> the ETA of datazilla == canon is also unknown
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# [00:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f5789352370e - Richard Newman - Bug 836369 - Intermittent test_history_tracker.js | test failed | true == false. r=trivial,test-only
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# [00:39] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> do I need to do anything special to get 830256 upgraded to tef+ based on 832222 being a duplicate?
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# [00:49] <dholbert> hmm, is hg.mozilla.org having issues w/ SSH?
# [00:49] <dholbert> This just hangs for me right now: [ hg out ssh://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ ]
# [00:49] <dholbert> as does [ ssh hg.mozilla.org ]
# [00:50] <vladan> dholbert: works for me
# [00:50] <vladan> i'm on mozilla network though
# [00:51] <dholbert> I am too. maybe my machine is being wonky, though
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# [00:51] <dholbert> yeah, I can't ssh anywhere. local machine issue, nevermind
# [00:52] <dholbert> (my ssh-agent is probably just busted. [reboots])
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# [00:52] <jhammel> dholbert: or he(?) has become a double agent
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# [00:56] <dholbert> jhammel, I hope not!
# [00:56] <dholbert> reboot fixed it, anyway. sorry for the noise
# [00:56] <jhammel> :)
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# [01:05] <@ehsan> roc: ping
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# [01:06] <johns> aurora is on fire :-/
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# [01:19] <Mossop> RyanVM|Dinner: m-a is on fire
# [01:19] <Mossop> And not in a good way
# [01:19] * froydnj wonders if there is ever a good way for a tree to be on fire
# [01:19] <johns> looks like 829428
# [01:20] <jhammel> froydnj: ya know...if it was so popular it was selling out stadiums?
# [01:21] <froydnj> jhammel: new business plan: 25 cents per watched push to m-i
# [01:21] <jhammel> heh
# [01:22] <jhammel> By Odin's raven, we'd be grossing maybe a dollar a year!
# [01:22] <jhammel> actually, i hear betting on TBPL is quite lucrative
# [01:22] <jhammel> "My push got backed out, but i beat the spread"
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# [01:23] <Mossop> Is someone backing it out or shall I?
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# [01:27] <dholbert> (Looks like Mossop took care of it.)
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# [01:27] <Mossop> Yeah
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# [01:31] <NeilAway> gavin/dolske: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/browser/locales/en-US/chrome/browser/preferences/privacy.dtd#7 - radio button labels typically don't end in "." do they?
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# [01:32] <Waldo> ...
# [01:32] <Waldo> ehsan: apparently we compile on b2g on some tinderboxen with 4.4
# [01:33] <Waldo> ehsan: I am kind of surprised we don't have an nsresult-is-signed bustage there from that
# [01:33] * Waldo cues philor
# [01:33] <philor> is it the ones I hid because they were unacceptable to me?
# [01:33] <Waldo> ehsan: also the C system for definiing all the nsresults is broken, because it depends on the SUCCESS/FAILURE/SUCCESS_OR_FAILURE macros that we promptly #undef right after
# [01:34] <Waldo> philor: who knows, could be
# [01:34] <Waldo> philor: probably worse than just that, tho
# [01:34] <Waldo> me, bitter and jaded?!?!
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# [01:35] <philor> Waldo: given that all the b2g I know about is using mock, there's no excuse for it using any version other than exactly what we want
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# [01:38] <@ehsan> Waldo: enums are unsigned in gcc by default
# [01:38] <@ehsan> (iirc)
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# [01:38] <@ehsan> Waldo: I remember looking at the C++ standard to see what it says about enums, but I don't remember what the result was!
# [01:38] <Waldo> ehsan: ...that's broken, isn't it? or maybe enum-is-signed is only a C requirement
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# [01:39] <philor> jhammel: given that all the b2g builds I know about use mock to install all the environment including the compiler before they start to build..."
# [01:39] <@ehsan> Waldo: I think, and don't quote me on that, that it may not be defined
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# [01:40] <Waldo> hmm, yeah, it's a type that can represent all the enumerator values
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# [01:40] <Waldo> anyway
# [01:40] <@ehsan> Waldo: oh, maybe I remmeber more...
# [01:40] <dholbert> ehsan, that is my recollection as well
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# [01:41] <@ehsan> Waldo: so I think the C standard says that the enum type must be capable of holding all of the enum values
# [01:41] <Waldo> I get to figure out how to make the nsresult #defines work now! I guess we weren't using them in whatever C code was doing #include "nsErrorList.h" before
# [01:41] <@ehsan> Waldo: which implies that if you stick the things that we do in it, it should be unsigned
# [01:41] <Waldo> C11 at least said enum is int
# [01:41] <dholbert> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/159034/are-c-enums-signed-or-unsigned says you can't rely on them being one or the other
# [01:41] <@ehsan> but seems like msvc happily ignores that
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# [01:42] <@ehsan> Waldo: we have a rule in the makefile to generate that header
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# [01:42] <Waldo> or, no, C11 says the type choice is implementation-defined
# [01:42] <Waldo> yeah, saw it
# [01:42] <@ehsan> dholbert: no, I think what I said is more accurate, the chosen type must fit all of the enum values
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# [01:42] <@ehsan> dholbert: (if they don't get bigger than an int)
# [01:42] <Waldo> possibly if I just munge those macro definitions in harder I'll be good
# [01:43] <@ehsan> dholbert: so, if you stick 0xffffffff in it, for example, it has to be unsigned, according to the spec
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# [01:43] <dholbert> ehsan, gotcha
# [01:43] <@ehsan> Waldo: that is the secret to all coding problems ;)
# [01:44] <dholbert> new rule: make all enum values include a secret bogus value 0xffffffff
# [01:44] <Waldo> 0xffffffff kind of generates warnings, doesn't it, if int is 32 bits? because it's a value outside the signed int space
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# [01:44] <@ehsan> Waldo: pardon?
# [01:44] <@ehsan> typeof(0xffffffff) == unsigned
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# [01:44] <@ehsan> right?
# [01:44] <dholbert> Waldo, ehsan's saying that _should_ guarantee that your enum is backed by an unsigned int, not an int
# [01:45] <dholbert> so int space shouldn't matter
# [01:45] <@ehsan> yeah that's right
# [01:45] <@ehsan> iirc msvc2012 had this bug as well...
# [01:45] <Waldo> hmm, unadorned numbers are ints? I thought you had to smack a U on to get an unsigned int
# [01:45] <dholbert> ehsan, see also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795433 though
# [01:45] <@ehsan> Waldo: the 0x prefix makes the literal's type unsigned
# [01:45] <dholbert> "ISO C restricts enumerator values to range of int"
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# [01:46] <Waldo> ehsan: aha! I didn't realize there was that distinction
# [01:46] <@ehsan> dholbert: could be, I'm talking about C++
# [01:46] <@ehsan> didn't check the C spec
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# [01:46] <@ehsan> Waldo: yeah, I too learned about that recently
# [01:46] <@ehsan> which now makes me chuckle everytime somebody writes 0xffffffffu :)
# [01:47] <Waldo> and this is why we shouldn't be writing C code, only C++
# [01:47] <Waldo> so we have fewer specs to nerd-snipe about :-)
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# [01:47] <@ehsan> Waldo++
# [01:47] <Waldo> ...not that it wouldn't prevent me from spec-wonking, but :-)
# [01:47] <Waldo> s/n't/
# [01:47] <RyanVM|Dinner> Mossop: thanks
# [01:48] <jhammel> Waldo: yes, but it makes it into a game you can play a lifetime
# [01:48] <@ehsan> dholbert: oh, and on a totally different note, I was wondering what you would do with your life if I just went ahead and fixed all compiler warnings in one giant push :P
# [01:48] <@ehsan> dholbert: you should thank me every day for not doing that ;)
# [01:48] <Waldo> jhammel: I have a feeling dholbert doesn't realize the reference he made, sadly :-(
# [01:49] <dholbert> ehsan, I'd have to find another way to spend my time while I wait for my builds to finish
# [01:49] <@ehsan> dholbert: oh, work on the build system to improve it? ;)
# [01:49] * @ehsan ducks
# [01:49] <dholbert> :)
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# [01:49] <@ehsan> alright, time to go and pretend to do some real work!
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# [01:50] <Waldo> so bug 795433's fix got rid of the warnings, but it didn't make NS_FOO actually usable in C
# [01:50] <Waldo> good times
# [01:50] <@ehsan> Waldo: who cares? ;)
# [01:50] <dholbert> Waldo, what was the reference I made? I think you're right that I missed it. :)
# [01:50] <Waldo> ehsan: well, I'm using the C defines for C++ when nsresult can't be an enum
# [01:50] <Waldo> dholbert: http://www.looneylabs.com/games/fluxx
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# [01:50] <Waldo> (note the card with "new rule" on it)
# [01:50] <@ehsan> oh, right
# [01:51] <dholbert> ahh, gotcha
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# [01:51] <dholbert> new rule: when in doubt, assume Waldo's making a pun
# [01:51] <Waldo> it's too ba^H^H^H^H^Hgood our tinderboxen run ancient gcc, eh?
# [01:51] <sfink> that's the old rule
# [01:51] <dholbert> true
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# [01:53] <@roc> ehsan: hello
# [01:53] <@ehsan> roc: hi! did you see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836076#c15 ?
# [01:53] <@ehsan> roc: also, comment 13 on that bug
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# [01:55] <@roc> what is "the second sentence"?
# [01:56] <@ehsan> hrm
# [01:56] <@ehsan> "I think it would be best to have the engine's timeline use units of TrackTicks and convert to TrackTicks in a new method AudioNodeStream::SetTimelineParameterImpl."
# [01:56] <@ehsan> splinter totally broke my comment :(
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# [01:58] <@smaug> hmm, do we use gradients in click-to-play areas
# [01:58] <@smaug> bsmedberg: you might remember
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# [01:59] <@smaug> scrolling http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ is super slow, and profile shows quite some time in gradient painting (plugins disabled)
# [01:59] <@smaug> (plugins disabled using ctp)
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# [02:00] <Waldo> yeah, this C fallback thing is so incredibly broken
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# [02:01] <Waldo> also giving us something like actual procedural abstractions, too (gasp!)
# [02:01] <@ehsan> smaug: we sure do!
# [02:01] <@ehsan> smaug: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/themes/winstripe/mozapps/plugins/pluginProblem.css#11
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# [02:03] <njn> gps: |mach mochitest-plain js/xpconnect/tests/mochitest/test_bug618017.html| doesn't work -- the browser starts up and then says "/tests/js/xpconnect/tests/mochitest/test_bug618017.html was not found. " Which is correct... why is it sticking "/tests/" in front of the path?
# [02:03] <Waldo> gradients are one honking good idea, let's use more of those!
# [02:03] <@ehsan> roc: also, do you expect to be able to land the buffer playback patches today?
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# [02:04] <@ehsan> njn: cause that's where tests are?
# [02:04] <@ehsan> njn: see objdir/_tests/testing/mochitest
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# [02:04] <@ehsan> there's a tests subdirectory there
# [02:04] <@ehsan> under which you'll find all installed mochitests
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# [02:05] <@ehsan> njn: one common mistake is to assume we read them from the srcdir, which is not the case
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# [02:05] <dholbert> ehsan, mach is supposed to make it seem like we do though
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# [02:05] <dholbert> njn, try TEST_PATH=js/whatever ./mach mochitest-plain
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# [02:05] <cjones> BenWa, ping
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# [02:05] <@ehsan> dholbert: oh for sure, njn just hit a bug in mach
# [02:05] <njn> dholbert: ugh
# [02:06] <@ehsan> cjones: I think he left for the day
# [02:06] <cjones> k thanks
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# [02:06] <njn> ehsan: in contrast |mach mochitest-plain js/xpconnect/tests/mochitest/| does work. Awesome.
# [02:06] <dholbert> njn, actually, both work for me
# [02:06] <@ehsan> hmm
# [02:06] <@ehsan> is that test enabled?
# [02:07] <dholbert> njn, your command that you typed above (mach mochitest-plain js/stuff)
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# [02:07] <dholbert> njn, more specifically |mach mochitest-plain js/xpconnect/tests/mochitest/test_bug618017.html | WFM
# [02:07] <@ehsan> njn: according to the makefile, that test is disabled on android and maemo
# [02:08] <@ehsan> (geez, maemo!)
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# [02:08] <db48x> did anyone here ever work on the original AOL client or server?
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# [02:09] <@ehsan> roc: also, I've been looking at the OfflineContext thing
# [02:09] <@ehsan> roc: seems like if we don't care about MediaStreams, the callers to MediaStreamGraph::GetInstance() are not going to be an issue
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# [02:09] <njn> ehsan: I'm removing that android/maemo special-casing
# [02:09] <@roc> good good
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# [02:10] <seth> is it possible to open a single URL in a firefox window with no chrome?
# [02:10] <@roc> ehsan: yes, I'm going to try to land my patches today
# [02:10] <@ehsan> roc: great!
# [02:10] <njn> dholbert|afk: I bet it's because I have my objdir in a different place to you
# [02:10] <@ehsan> roc: so the only problem which I have not figured out yet is how to get an MSG for the offline context...
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# [02:10] <db48x> seth: openDialog
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# [02:11] <seth> db48x: sorry, should've been clear; i meant from the commandline
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# [02:11] <db48x> ah
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# [02:11] <@ehsan> roc: one very hacky option is to pass a flag to MediaStreamGraphImpl::RunThread and avoid things like PlayAudio, PlayVideo, and the monitor wait there
# [02:12] <db48x> seth: you could write an extension that added a command line parser :)
# [02:12] <db48x> otherwise, no
# [02:12] <@ehsan> roc: which I'm sure you don't like :)
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# [02:12] <db48x> so the reason I'm asking about AOL is that I find myself thinking about archiving it
# [02:12] <seth> heh, not sure that's worth the trouble =)
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# [02:12] <db48x> which means understanding the protocol
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# [02:15] <@roc> ehsan: actually I think that's pretty close to the right thing.
# [02:15] <@ehsan> roc: really?!
# [02:15] <@roc> ehsan: but I'd probably pass the flag in the constructor and store it in a member variable
# [02:15] <@roc> why not?
# [02:16] <BenWa> cjones: pong
# [02:16] <@ehsan> roc: dunno, seems hackish
# [02:16] <@roc> compared to what?
# [02:16] <@roc> subclassing MediaStreamGraph?
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# [02:16] <@ehsan> roc: yeah
# [02:16] <@ehsan> except that
# [02:16] <@ehsan> that class is huge
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# [02:16] <@roc> that would require MSG to have an internal virtual-method API that it calls for all timing-related things
# [02:16] <@ehsan> and the subclassing solution will probably be a disaster of its own
# [02:16] <cjones> hey BenWa, filed a bug
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# [02:17] <@ehsan> right
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# [02:17] <@roc> which is going to add complexity
# [02:17] <@ehsan> roc: but if you want me to implement the flag based solution, I may even get that done tonight! :)
# [02:17] <BenWa> cjones: Cool, easy fix. I'll push an update tonight
# [02:17] <@ehsan> yeah ok, sold!
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# [02:17] <@roc> cool
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# [02:20] <BenWa> cjones: You don't have a profile handy to test this right?
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# [02:20] <cjones> BenWa, http://people.mozilla.com/~bgirard/cleopatra/#report=0e6042fb2a6121d84a71796bfe27ec4275c1a9db
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# [02:23] <@ehsan> roc: what kinds of assumptions does MSG make about the underlying hardware?
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# [02:23] <@ehsan> roc: (such as the number of channels, sample rate, etc?)
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# [02:27] <mjrosenb> was there ever an option for "reload tab every n minutes"?
# [02:27] <mjrosenb> or was that some extension that I no longer have installed?
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# [02:27] <@ehsan> mjrosenb: it was an extension
# [02:27] <@ehsan> it was called reload every or something iirc
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# [02:27] <mjrosenb> ehsan: I don't think I ever had that one, but I likely had another extension that provided the same functionality
# [02:27] <mjrosenb> my bet would be on tab mix plus.
# [02:28] <@ehsan> could be
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# [02:28] <@ehsan> dbaron: forgot the slash
# [02:29] <mjrosenb> i,i "take features *out* of firefox? BLASPHEMY!"
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# [02:35] <njn> dholbert, ehsan: my original command is working now; it was a Makefile screw-up on my part
# [02:35] <@ehsan> cool
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# [02:43] <Waldo> mjrosenb: I wonder how many people here actually understand i,i
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# [02:47] * mjrosenb bet bz recognizes it!
# [02:47] <mjrosenb> *bets
# [02:47] <mjrosenb> Waldo: tbf, I got it from #cslounge because some of the older people used it incessantly.
# [02:48] <Waldo> :-)
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# [02:50] <tbsaunde> mjrosenb: me too, but I wonder how many people here recognize #cslounge ;)
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# [02:52] <mjrosenb> tbsaunde: well, there is you, and me, so that is 2!
# [02:52] <mjrosenb> oh, sstangl is in here as well.
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# [02:57] <mjrosenb> everyone else that I know from the class of 2011/2012 does not appear to be in here.
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# [03:44] <@roc> I,I as in "I have no point here, I just like to say"?
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# [03:51] <Waldo> roc: presumably, given http://sipb.mit.edu/doc/zephyr/ and that saying it was a CMUism
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# [03:55] <@roc> too bad I don't have time to hang out on zephyr anymore. It was a really great system, especially the CMU zarchive interface.
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# [04:07] <nthomas> IT is working on the 500 errors from ftp.m.o which are causing red tests
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# [04:35] <nthomas> ftp.m.o issue is resolved now, jobs can be retriggered for coverage
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# [04:39] <rnewman> do we have an existing bug for a 500 fetching the tinderbox build for talos?
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# [04:40] <philor> rnewman: we have something way better, nthomas acting as Speaker To Animals and telling us that IT was on it, and that IT had fixed it
# [04:40] <rnewman> hah
# [04:40] <rnewman> I will star accordingly :)
# [04:40] <rnewman> thanks
# [04:41] <rnewman> this was at 18:26 pacific
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# [04:41] <rnewman> so presumably not new
# [04:41] <philor> yup
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# [04:42] <philor> personally, I like starring them all as "bug ftp.m.o" like I might someday use it as an alias
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# [04:42] <rnewman> heh
# [04:42] <rnewman> perhaps that same day we'll have automatic retries in those cases
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# [04:43] <philor> yeah, the problem is that if it's down from load, like it often is on release days, and we then pile up 700 jobs retrying every 45 seconds, we're not helping
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# [04:44] <rnewman> if only we employed dozens of people who knew how to deal with thundering herds in scalable production systems
# [04:44] <rnewman> I live in hope
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# [04:45] <Callek> after [x] retries
# [04:46] <Callek> it still will be painful to retrigger all the related [failed] jobs
# [04:46] <Callek> but at least it won't get us into a death spiral
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# [05:35] <philor> jaws: ping
# [05:37] <jaws> philor: pong
# [05:38] <philor> jaws: is it a reasonable bet that the patch for bug 833511 is the reason browser_gestureSupport.js has been failing pretty frequently all afternoon?
# [05:38] <jaws> philor: uhhhh.... yeah. i suppose we should back it out
# [05:38] <philor> thx, I'll try not to scream at the poor guy
# [05:39] <jaws> thx :)
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# [05:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/09d868334747 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 73b1860d1fdc (bug 833511) for failures in browser_gestureSupport.js
# [05:42] <jaws> philor: would you like me to wait until the tree is reopened to backout? i don't want to forget about it
# [05:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/21cbd89537b5 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 0b427bfd720d:79e6231558d7 (bug 836050) for Mac and b2g build bustage
# [05:42] <jaws> philor: oh, i was already trying to back it out but stopped because the tree was closed :P
# [05:43] <philor> would have been out sooner, but I got taken stupid, and did hg qpop -a && hg push && go grab dinner
# [05:43] <jaws> heh
# [05:44] <jaws> philor: i can comment in the bug if you haven't done so already
# [05:44] <philor> jaws: thanks, I haven't, I'll let you
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# [05:59] * @bz hates tinderbox
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# [06:00] <sfink> tinderbox? is that still around?
# [06:00] <Callek> sfink: yes
# [06:00] <Callek> sfink: used by us dark and dreary unwanted children
# [06:01] <Callek> you know, SeaMonkey, l10n, NSS, Camino, Bugzilla (yes I know, bugzilla)
# [06:01] * sfink runs and hides
# [06:01] <Callek> though I guess technically SeaMonkey is like a Father, who never could adapt with the changing world, and in an effort to make him wanted again changed his name when the first Child grew up
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# [06:02] <@bz> sfink: yes, if you include tbpl and the rest
# [06:02] <@bz> sfink: what I mostly hate are our compilers
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# [06:02] <Callek> bz: our compilers are good
# [06:02] <@bz> sfink: and I _really_ hate warnings-as-errors
# [06:02] <@bz> no
# [06:02] <@bz> They're not
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# [06:02] <@bz> Just take a look at the red on my last push
# [06:02] <Callek> bz: yes they are, at least when you compare the situation to what it was like even 4 years ago
# [06:02] <Jesse> to be fair to the compilers, they have to deal with C++
# [06:02] <Callek> bz: no thats YOUR code being wrong, not the compilers fault :-P
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# [06:03] <Callek> it only does what you tell it to
# [06:03] <sfink> mommy, grampa Callek and grampa bz are fighting again
# [06:03] <sfink> get out the hose
# [06:03] <Callek> well that and expire all your memory when trying to do PGO at link time
# [06:03] <@bz> Callek: that code compiled for me on Mac
# [06:03] <Callek> sfink: just who, praytell is your mommy, and thus one-of-our daughters
# [06:04] <@bz> Callek: with the came compiler revision as we use on tinderbox, last I checked
# [06:04] <@bz> Callek: so....
# [06:04] <Callek> bz: tinderbox is a reporting mechnism not a machine that does code :-P
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# [06:05] <Callek> and in fact tbpl is not tinderbox, and doesn't even use tinderbox ;-P
# [06:05] * Callek loves arguing semantics rather than substance
# [06:05] <sfink> mommy, hurry up with that hose, they're getting pedantic
# [06:05] * Callek can win arguments that way
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# [06:05] <@bz> Callek: f you too.
# [06:06] <Callek> bz: but seriously, can I just feel bad for you because I don't have to spend my work day in C++
# [06:06] * @bz just wontfixes the bug, because fixing it given our build setup is not worth the pain
# [06:06] <Callek> and then cringe because I just had a build fail 5 times at a random-red on SeaMonkey-Beta for a release build
# [06:06] <Callek> bz: in seriousness, can I help somehow?
# [06:07] <Callek> as in, would a loaner machine help you get the stuff done better?
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# [06:07] <@bz> Callek: Can you make people stop flagging things as warnings-as-errors?
# [06:07] <@bz> Callek: no
# [06:07] <Callek> bz: THAT I can't do :(
# [06:07] <Callek> I have no power over those people
# [06:07] <@bz> Callek: Can you make try not care about how much stuff I push and have short turnaround times?
# [06:07] <Callek> YES I can
# [06:07] <Callek> just not today
# [06:07] <@bz> Callek: where "short" means "I can do more than two try runs a day"
# [06:08] <@bz> Callek: (one started in the morning, one in the evening)
# [06:08] <@bz> Callek: then do that. ;)
# [06:08] <Callek> we're working on it!
# [06:08] <@bz> Callek: If I can just stop compiling locally completely
# [06:08] <Callek> (seriously)
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# [06:08] <@bz> Callek: and do all my compiling on all platforms at once on try
# [06:08] <@bz> Callek: _that_ will help deal with this problem
# [06:08] <WeirdAl> SSD FTW
# [06:08] <@bz> WeirdAl: uh
# [06:08] <Callek> WeirdAl: you missed part of the convo
# [06:08] <Callek> WeirdAl: it worked locally for him
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# [06:09] <WeirdAl> no, I caught that on bugmail
# [06:09] <@bz> WeirdAl: how the hell does an SSD solve the IT DOESN'T BUILD ON THE GODDAMNED BUILDERS problem?
# [06:09] <WeirdAl> bz: you want fast turnaround?
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# [06:09] <@bz> WeirdAl: An SSD doesn't help that either, necessarily
# [06:10] <@bz> WeirdAl: http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/
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# [06:10] <@bz> WeirdAl: see those queue numbers?
# [06:10] <cshields> ehsan: ping. what hg client version are you running? (re 836626)
# [06:10] <Jesse> what failed? the linker?
# [06:10] <@bz> Jesse: when?
# [06:10] <@ehsan> cshields: the mac client
# [06:10] <Jesse> in your red today, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=19307401&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
# [06:10] <Callek> bz: 21 is actually a pretty decent queue compared to what it used to be ;-)
# [06:10] * WeirdAl sighs
# [06:10] <@ehsan> cshields: and the linux one on people
# [06:10] <@bz> Jesse: During work on this 15-line patch I've now run into at least 3 different fails on three different compilers
# [06:11] <WeirdAl> that's a deadly number of queued tests though
# [06:11] <Callek> bz: we're getting better, with ever-increasing load and demand and jobs
# [06:11] <@bz> WeirdAl: that's a low number
# [06:11] <@bz> WeirdAl: those numbers were 2-3x bigger last night, e.g.
# [06:11] <@bz> Jesse: this particular red, is unclear
# [06:11] <Callek> bz: also ATeam is reviving "BuildFaster" and coordinating with releng to get the necessary data
# [06:11] <Callek> so we can help make things faster
# [06:12] <@bz> Jesse: whether it's linker fail for not finding the nonexistent symbol or compiler fail for asking for a symbol it shouldn't have asked for
# [06:12] <Jesse> i wonder if a clobber would help
# [06:12] <Callek> bz: releng hired an extra build system engineer to help make the build system better/faster
# [06:12] <@bz> Jesse: and in the end, it just doesn't matter that much
# [06:12] <@bz> Jesse: what matters is that correlation between "builds locally" and "builds when I push it" is pretty low nowadays
# [06:12] <cshields> ehsan: my guess is that we haven't reset try in so long that it has grown to the point that the http headers have exceeded a limit somewhere
# [06:12] <@bz> Jesse: and not for lack of trying on my part!
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# [06:13] <@ehsan> cshields: that's plausible
# [06:13] <@ehsan> cshields: I also tried cloning m-c and pulling try into it, and it failed similarly
# [06:15] <Callek> bz: good reads for knowing how we're working to make things better: http://coop.deadsquid.com/category/mozilla/ http://atlee.ca/blog/category/work/mozilla/ and http://oduinn.com/blog/category/mozilla/
# [06:15] <Callek> (note johns has good numbers on actual load and trends
# [06:16] <Callek> ehsan: what is your local ver of hg
# [06:16] <@bz> Callek: yes, I do read John's blog. ;)
# [06:16] <johns> Callek: I'm not that john!
# [06:17] * Callek also sees that ben asked you same in bug [to ehsan]
# [06:17] <Callek> johns: I didn't say johns :-P
# [06:17] <Callek> johns: ooo wait, I missed the apostrophe, damn
# [06:17] <Callek> (sorry)
# [06:17] <johns> Clearly my name means multiple johns
# [06:17] <johns> not possessive john
# [06:18] <@ehsan> Callek: commented on the bug
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# [06:21] <Jesse> bz: are you repeatedly hitting specific, stupid warnings? maybe it will become less painful after we disable (or downgrade to not-errors) a few
# [06:22] <@bz> Jesse: I'm repeatedly hitting different machines having totally different warnings
# [06:23] <@bz> Jesse: I'm hitting ccache affecting the set of warnings you get
# [06:23] <@bz> Jesse: I'm hitting the fact that I have no confidence that building locally indicates _anything_ about the builders
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# [06:23] <Jesse> how does ccache manage that
# [06:23] <@bz> Jesse: because clang
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# [06:23] <@bz> Jesse: seriously, if you have code like if (FOO(x))
# [06:24] <@bz> Jesse: and #define FOO(z) (z == 1)
# [06:24] <@bz> Jesse: Then clang will not warn
# [06:24] <@bz> Jesse: but if your code is if ((z == 1)) then clang will warn
# [06:24] * WeirdAl raises an eyebrow - that would be bad
# [06:24] <@bz> Jesse: which means that whether you get a warning or not depends on whether you run cpp before you call clang
# [06:25] <@bz> Jesse: and since ccache runs cpp itself, because it uses a hash of the cpp output as the cache key...
# [06:25] <@bz> Jesse: anyway
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# [06:26] <Jesse> sounds like (1) ccache and clang need to learn to get along and (2) we should consider downgrading that warning for now
# [06:26] <@bz> Jesse: <shrug>
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# [06:26] <@bz> Jesse: the upshot is that I've spent more time today fighting fail-on-warnings, try, and builders than I have coding and reviewing combined
# [06:27] <@bz> Jesse: and this is not an atypical day for the last few weeks.
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# [06:31] <WeirdAl> oh, the build failed, duh
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# [07:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2ea8ee91cea8 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 836050 part 2. Make Element::HasAttr non-virtual. r=smaug
# [07:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3699133bf05c - Boris Zbarsky - Add a test for WebIDL-weakmap stuff in addition to XPConnect-weakmap. No bug, no review
# [07:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b4c02455736 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 836050 part 1. Make Element::GetAttr non-virtual. r=smaug
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# [07:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd110c95073d - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 836050 part 3. Make Element::AttrValueIs non-virtual. r=smaug
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# [07:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d4d3b9cafc9e - Chris Jones - Bug 836593: Add profiler labels to organize samples under FrameLoader::StartLoading(), IFrameElement::BindToTree(), and TabParent creation code. r=jlebar,smaug
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# [07:59] <romaxa_> jst: ping, do you anyone who knows how to generate jsval in C++ context which would look after stringify as { "name" : value } ?
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# [08:01] <romaxa_> bz: ^
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# [08:09] <@bz> romaxa_: sure
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# [08:10] <@bz> romaxa_: You there?
# [08:10] <romaxa_> bz: yep
# [08:10] <@bz> romaxa_: is the name fixed?
# [08:10] <romaxa_> bz: no
# [08:10] <@bz> romaxa_: Then you have to do this the painful way
# [08:11] <@bz> romaxa_: JS_NewObject, then JS_DefineUCProperty
# [08:11] <philor> AAAARGH
# [08:11] <romaxa_> bz: basically I want to figure out how to create json string from nsIWritablePropertyBag or something like that
# [08:11] <@bz> romaxa_: and deal with all the "find a JSContext, remember to report pending exceptions, etc"
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# [08:11] <@bz> romaxa_: Are you called from JS to start with?
# [08:12] <romaxa_> bz: no I'm calling from native XPCOM context, but I have js context around...
# [08:12] <@bz> romaxa_: Because if so, at least that resolves the JScontext issues
# [08:12] <@bz> "around" is not great
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# [08:12] <@bz> Or rather is not great enough
# [08:12] <@bz> anyway, you can do it as described above.
# [08:12] <@bz> Just have to be very careful.
# [08:12] <romaxa_> bz: I tried to use that but I got some errors like cx == topJSContext assetions et.c
# [08:12] <@bz> uh-huh
# [08:13] <@bz> wait
# [08:13] <@bz> what compared it to topJSContext??
# [08:13] <@bz> And why?
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# [08:13] <romaxa_> bz: I tried to generate jsval using nsIVariant to jsval
# [08:13] <@bz> ok...
# [08:13] <@bz> And what did you put in the variant?
# [08:14] <romaxa_> bz: I got it almost working but nsIVariant has only simple types and arrays, so my json was looking like [1,2,3,4]
# [08:14] <@bz> ok
# [08:14] <@bz> so
# [08:14] <cjones> i see bustage, pushing fix
# [08:14] <@bz> don't do variants at all
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# [08:14] <@bz> As long as you're having to do this the hard way, just JS_NewObject and defined its properties
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# [08:14] <@bz> and then you're done
# [08:15] <philor> cjones: CLOSED TREE, and you're lucky I looked this way while typing hg push
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# [08:15] <romaxa_> bz: ok, I see, will try that.. thanks a lot
# [08:15] <@bz> romaxa_: good luck. Make sure someone who really knows jsapi stuff reviews...
# [08:15] <romaxa_> bz: yep, will do that
# [08:15] <cjones> philor, either way is fine, one line fix
# [08:16] <cjones> let me know
# [08:16] <philor> cjones: do it, I meant that seeing "pushing fix" stopped me from pushing the backout
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# [08:17] <philor> I don't mind fixes, I just mind ten other pushes blindly shoved on top of bustage
# [08:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0aecad4aa758 - Chris Jones - Fix for bug 836593 on gecko-21. CLOSED TREE
# [08:18] <cjones> thanks philikon
# [08:18] <cjones> philor
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# [08:19] <philor> sigh, and then ftp.m.o has to be broken again for a bit
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# [08:20] <philor> so, a slightly longer closure until it feels better
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# [08:27] <smontagu> huh, what's the matter with bugzilla interdiff?
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# [08:27] <glob> smontagu, oh?
# [08:27] <glob> smontagu, please share
# [08:28] <smontagu> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?oldid=701785&action=interdiff&newid=708472&headers=1
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# [08:29] <glob> smontagu, ah, well
# [08:29] <smontagu> maybe it doesn't like the hg export preamble?
# [08:29] <glob> smontagu, interdiff threw errors when processing that
# [08:29] <glob> smontagu, now we catch that
# [08:29] <smontagu> but it diffs each one nicely on its own
# [08:29] <glob> 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file /tmp/interdiff-1.aiA9LZ.rej /usr/bin/interdiff: Error applying patch1 to reconstructed file
# [08:30] <glob> smontagu, diff is done with perl code, interdiff just runs the interdiff binary from patchutils
# [08:30] <smontagu> was that always the case?
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# [08:30] <glob> smontagu, yes
# [08:31] <smontagu> shame, since I only attached that patch so that it could be interdiffed ;-)
# [08:32] <@bz_sleep> Well, what used to happen is that the bugzilla interdiff would silently show you the wrong thing
# [08:33] <glob> heh, interdiff generates excellent errors. here's one _complete_ sample: "Warning: something's wrong"
# [08:33] <smontagu> lol
# [08:35] <glob> hrm, i can't find an interdiff which doesn't generate errors :|
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# [09:46] <ewong> 0xfull???
# [09:47] <capella> I pushed a patch apparently while the tree was closed, then wandered off for a bit ... did it queue up? Or die/ I have to push again?
# [09:47] <capella> I don't see it in inbound anywhere...
# [09:47] <ewong> I'm guessing you'd need to resend it
# [09:47] <Standard8> check you logs
# [09:48] <Standard8> normally if the tree is closed, it'll stop you pushing
# [09:48] <capella> K - didnt know if pushing twice was a bad thing .. and I closed my terminal before looking
# [09:48] <Standard8> ah
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# [09:48] <Standard8> look before & after ;-)
# [09:48] <capella> yah - I usually do ... this one time I got caught
# [09:48] <jfkthame> you always need to wait for confirmation anyway, so you can note the changeset in the bug :)
# [09:49] <capella> for the changset I just scan the tree ignore bugmail etc
# [09:49] <capella> bad habit ... Ill fix
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# [09:53] <jfkthame> doesn't seem much slower than usual here
# [09:54] <glob> cjones, not seeing any errors. can you use more word? :)
# [09:54] <glob> *words
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# [09:54] <cjones> look happy now
# [09:54] <cjones> ;)
# [09:54] <cjones> (had a few failed requests in a row)
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# [09:55] <capella> hmmm ... did a hg pull -u from inbound and my change is now in my repo ?? and hg status says all is well
# [09:55] <glob> hrm, someone is scraping all bugs and attachments off bmo. again.
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# [10:01] <capella> There we go :D
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# [10:25] <NeilAway> ewong: also 0xall 0xball 0xcall 0xfall 0xbell 0xfell 0xbull 0xcull 0xdull
# [10:26] <ewong> NeilAway: call me stupid.. why is 0xdull valid?
# [10:26] <NeilAway> ewong: it means (unsigned long long)13
# [10:27] <ewong> so it's |const unsigned long long thisVar| no?
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# [10:28] <NeilAway> ewong: the type of 13 is normally int
# [10:28] <ewong> NeilAway in what code would 0xfull be valid?
# [10:28] <NeilAway> ewong: printf("%llx", 0xfull);
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# [10:29] <ewong> I did not know that.
# [10:30] <glandium> unsigned long long foo = 0xfull;
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# [10:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f54c2ac62480 - Mike Hommey - Bug 836161 - Fix gcc version test from bug 833627 to be properly quoted by m4. r=ted
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# [10:36] <Waldo> ewong: also good at steakhouses as a unit of measure
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# [10:37] <ewong> Waldo hahaha... hmmmmm Steak......
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# [11:03] <Optimizer> fryn: you forgot one thing about pinned tabs . They only show up as small icons in panorama :(
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# [11:27] <Optimizer> or to just get the combined dataURI of 2 or more images
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# [12:23] <firebot> I've never seen a 'jmuizelaar', sorry.
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# [12:24] <Yoric> gps: How would you prefer me to do that review?
# [12:24] <Yoric> gps: Should I do it in plaintext in a bug?
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# [12:34] <evilpie> new Blob(['test'], 'text/plain') "TypeError: value can not be converted to a dictionary" ?
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# [12:34] <evilpie> seems to happen because of "text/plain"
# [12:35] <@smaug> that certainly isn't a dictionary
# [12:36] <evilpie> oh {type: 'text/plain'} ?
# [12:36] <@smaug> that is what the spec says yes
# [12:36] <evilpie> weird i remember using just a string
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# [13:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14c3c3913e3c - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 817568 - Enclose more API calls with __try...__except. r=mcmanus
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# [15:17] <deLta30> evilpie: were you asking about 'about:net-internals'?
# [15:17] <evilpie> deLta30: yep
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# [15:18] <deLta30> actually you need addon to use the api
# [15:18] <deLta30> only the api is shipped with ff
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# [15:19] <deLta30> evilpie, i have the addon if you want.
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# [15:19] <evilpie> deLta30: is this going to change?
# [15:19] <deLta30> what?
# [15:19] <evilpie> i mean are we going to include it in firefox
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# [15:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3808b7673bde - Jon Coppeard - Bug 836312 - GC: Sweep IonCode incrementally r=billm
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# [15:20] <deLta30> the api is already there in ff18, any one can use it and make the addon
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# [15:21] <deLta30> here is the link to the bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783205
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# [15:22] <evilpie> I got that, I was talking about whether we plan on including the frontend (the about:net-internals page) directly in firefox
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# [15:22] <deLta30> i don't think there is any plan of making 'about:net-internal' a part of ff
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# [15:23] <deLta30> it was part of a GSoC (Google Summer of Code), so as of now there is not any futher plan
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# [15:26] <evilpie> oh we are so bad with follow up with stuff sometimes :(
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# [15:29] <RattyAway> only "sometimes"?
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# [15:34] <@smaug> I can't see it in tbpl
# [15:35] <@smaug> hmm, or is tpaint that nowadays
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# [15:36] <edmorley> smaug: 'o' -> (scroll right) ts_paint
# [15:36] <edmorley> aiui
# [15:36] <vicamo> vicamo
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# [15:41] <Pike> drats, localized nightly is brokken
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# [15:42] <Pike> glandium: my german nightly with buildid 20130131031009 and rev 20bbf73921f4 comes up with an xml error ysod. CC coop|buildduty
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# [15:44] <glandium> Pike: i /think/ it's the same root problem as bug 836218
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# [15:46] <glandium> Pike: what platform?
# [15:46] <Pike> glandium: mac
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# [15:47] <glandium> Pike: what's the xml error message?
# [15:47] <Pike> my crashreporter-override.ini is localized, fwiw
# [15:48] <Pike> <description id="mixed-content-blocked-moreinfo">&mixedContentBlocked.moreinfo;</description> has an undefined entity ref
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# [15:49] <gps> Yoric: bug or etherpad is good for me
# [15:49] <Yoric> ok
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# [15:50] <Pike> glandium: which is defined in chrome/de/locale/browser/browser.dtd in omni.ja, via l10n-merge, according to unzip -p
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# [15:50] <glandium> Pike: yeah, and it's there
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# [15:51] <Pike> wth
# [15:52] <Pike> chrome.manifest looks ok, firefox-l10n.js looks ok
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# [15:53] <Pike> looking at jsconsole, I see
# [15:53] <Pike> Could not read chrome manifest 'file:///Applications/FirefoxNightly.app/Contents/MacOS/extensions/%7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D/chrome.manifest'.
# [15:54] <glandium> Pike: not unexpected
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# [15:54] <Pike> yeah, seems so. same for a dictionary
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# [15:55] <sewardj> BenWa: ping
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# [15:57] <Yoric> gps: I have opened a bug for the purpose, I'll attach reviews as patches.
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# [15:58] <Pike> glandium: wait, got it
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# [15:58] <Pike> sorry
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# [15:58] <glandium> Pike: what was it?
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# [15:59] <Pike> glandium: I test drive an l10n system that allows me to install language packs, and go figure, that language pack wasn't as compatible with my new nightly as with my previous :-(
# [15:59] <Pike> removed it now, and it works
# [16:00] <Pike> totally doh me, sorry
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# [16:16] <catlee> edmorley: ping
# [16:17] <edmorley> catlee: hi :-)
# [16:17] <catlee> edmorley: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832050
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# [16:18] <catlee> edmorley: so, we're sending nightly_build:True as a property already to the test jobs
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# [16:18] <catlee> edmorley: if we TinderboxPrint that at the beginning, does that solve the issue?
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# [16:18] <edmorley> catlee: unfortunately not, since the buildername is what is used to determine on which row the job lives
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# [16:19] <catlee> edmorley: right - but does it have to be on a separate row?
# [16:19] <edmorley> catlee: I think we should have {opt,debug,pgo,nightly} as separate rows on TBPL (and differentiated in the buildername)
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# [16:19] <edmorley> catlee: yes, since that's why the bustage wasn't clear before
# [16:20] <edmorley> catlee: also different buildername would fix the issues philor mentions in comment 1
# [16:20] <catlee> edmorley: right, but if we TinderboxPrint nightly:True, then at least you'll see if when you click on the orange
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# [16:20] <catlee> yes, that's true
# [16:20] <edmorley> catlee: the problem is that the vast majority of people don't look at the tinderbox print output
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# [16:21] <catlee> so are we in for a world of hurt with gaia changes?
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# [16:21] <edmorley> catlee: I don't believe so, since gaia and gaia-central are on separate rows on tbpl
# [16:21] <edmorley> in that case, the bustage is clear, the dev/sheriff just needs an easy way to see what rev was used
# [16:22] <catlee> the distinction is going away
# [16:22] <catlee> gaia nightly is being deleted
# [16:22] <edmorley> in the nightly case, pgo and nightly are on the same row, so dev retriggers, sees green and thinks "just intermittent", when in fact the retriggered job was actually a different job type
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# [16:23] <edmorley> ok, but in the case of the gaia rev, we're not talking about different job types, it's the same type but a different rev
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# [16:24] <armenzg> I'm pushing to try and is taking me minutes (not yet completed)
# [16:24] <armenzg> anyone else seeing the same issue?
# [16:24] <edmorley> so a retrigger would (correctly) come back orange, if gaia tip is still borken
# [16:25] <edmorley> and thus a bug filed/tree closed
# [16:25] <catlee> that depends if somebody pushes a new gaia rev in the meanwhile
# [16:25] <edmorley> catlee: "if gaia tip is still broken"
# [16:25] <edmorley> catlee: if it's not still broken, then great :-)
# [16:26] <armenzg> we should have a tree for gaia
# [16:26] <armenzg> not having gaia nightly is going to be a mess without it
# [16:26] <edmorley> the same workflow already exists for: mozharness/buildbot/foo bustage -> failed build -> bustage resolved -> retriggered build -> green -> sheriffs do a dance of joy :-)
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# [16:27] <edmorley> armenzg: yeah agree, but that's a far bigger scope issue (tbplv2)
# [16:27] <armenzg> edmorley: jetpack currently does that
# [16:27] <armenzg> with current tbpl
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# [16:28] <edmorley> armenzg: yeah if the b2g builds could be restructured similar to those (bug 834354) then it could be done like that
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# [16:29] <edmorley> but from what people have said so far in the tbplv2 meetings etc, we still need an overall b2g view
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# [16:29] <edmorley> anyway, back to getting everything reinstalled on this new ssd :-)
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# [16:33] <armenzg> catlee: is the nightly branch disappearing for both the B2G repo and the gaia repo?
# [16:33] <armenzg> or just the B2G repo?
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# [16:34] <catlee> armenzg: gaia and b2g-manifests
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# [16:34] <catlee> not sure if there's also one for B2G?
# [16:34] <armenzg> k
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# [16:36] <RattyAway> jrmuizel: re https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836696#c3
# [16:36] <RattyAway> nothing I can see uses pixman.h I do see a lot of files including pixman-private.h instead.
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# [16:43] <RattyAway> jrmuizel: ok.
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# [17:14] <firebot> mak was last seen 25 hours, 37 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying 'simonab: yes, they do different things though, clear list does remove the downloads, but not their history, while clear downloads removes both' in #fx-team.
# [17:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/faf255e44002 - Olli Pettay - Bug 836457 - Don't start forgetSkippable/GC timer before first GC, r=mccr8
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# [17:30] <@ehsan> ImportError: No module named buildconfig
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# [17:30] <@ehsan> does anybody know what this means?
# [17:31] <jcranmer> <insert unhelpful reply here>
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# [17:31] <edmorley> ehsan: gps^
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# [17:32] <@ehsan> gps: this is on an older tree (I'm bisecting)
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# [17:32] <edmorley> ehsan: b2g18? (bug 834867)
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# [17:33] <@ehsan> edmorley: m-c
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# [17:34] <@ehsan> not using mach doesn't help either :(
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# [17:34] <gps> ehsan: likely a .pyc file in srcdir. nuke all .pyc files and try again
# [17:34] <gps> also may require a configure
# [17:35] <@ehsan> gps: git status doesn't show me any pyc crap
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# [17:35] <@ehsan> oh
# [17:35] <@ehsan> *.pyc is in .gitignore?!
# [17:35] <@ehsan> wow
# [17:35] <@ehsan> who thought that's a good idea?
# [17:35] <gps> ehsan: you can't control where the .pyc files go and they would clutter status
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# [17:36] <gps> bug 795995 tracks but is difficult to implement
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# [17:36] <@ehsan> gps: ok, I worked around this for now
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# [17:37] <jcranmer> ehsan: why would you expect .pyc files tonot be ignored?
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# [17:37] <@bsmedberg> .pyc pretty much has to be ignored
# [17:37] <froydnj> hm, I thought we had a MOZ_GCC_AT_LEAST macro in mfbt by now
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# [17:38] <edmorley> surely the best solution is to purge them as part of the build
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# [17:38] <edmorley> as yucky as it is, having the build touch the srcdir
# [17:38] <froydnj> or why don't we just use -B (don't write .pyc)?
# [17:39] <gps> froydnj: performance
# [17:39] <@bsmedberg> somebody should just really write a patch to python so that we can have them in the objdir (specify a cache location)
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# [17:40] <@bsmedberg> and then in 2020 this can be solved!
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# [17:40] <gps> bsmedberg: Python 3.3 supports pure Python importers
# [17:40] <edmorley> well, 2025, once all the machines are on said new version of python :-)
# [17:40] <gps> it's possibly doable in Python 2.7 but it will be really hacky
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# [17:40] <froydnj> or copy the *.py into the objdir...something
# [17:41] <gps> I have a patch in my queue but haven't finished it. I have other priorities
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# [17:41] <gps> people rarely run into this issue. so meh
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# [17:41] <froydnj> gps: is that a "I think it will massively slow things down" or "I've measured and the build goes 30% slower" 'performance'?
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# [17:42] <gw280> 90% CPU usage
# [17:43] <gps> froydnj: I'm not sure what the overhead is
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# [17:45] <@ted> heh
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# [17:45] <@ted> yeah our mailing lists are a mess
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# [17:45] <@ted> i'm seeing double-posts of half the stuff in that PGO discussion
# [17:46] <gps> ted++ on latest post
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# [17:46] <caitp-> hello, I'm having an issue on OSX with a 3rd party library that I'm trying to integrate, resulting in duplicate symbol warnings for each of the exported functions, and finally dying with a linker error. I am not sure if each object is being linked multiple times, or if the library is being linked twice, or if it's because of inconsistent CFLAGS, or what
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# [17:47] <padenot> caitp-: pastebin of the patch and the errors?
# [17:47] <caitp-> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833403#c4 has a link to the most recent snapshot of it, as well as a patch and pastebin of the errors
# [17:47] <jimm> ted: I checked the addresses, I only had one checked off, but google groups still double posted.
# [17:47] <@ted> gps: yeah, i'm confused by "we can't measure any user-visible difference" vs. "it shows up in almost every talos test we run"
# [17:47] <@ted> jimm: hah
# [17:47] <@ted> jimm: e-mail for life
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# [17:49] <gps> a major flaw of Talos is many of the tests (like Ts Paint) operate on empty profiles
# [17:49] <@ehsan> jcranmer: I dunno, because they break my builds? ;)
# [17:49] <@ehsan> is there any way to say no thank you to python here?
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# [17:49] <@ehsan> like, ask it to not save pyc's and just interpret everything all the time?
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# [17:49] <@ted> gps: sure, but if you're arguing that nothing we measure is relevant
# [17:50] <froydnj> ehsan: env var PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE=1
# [17:50] <jimm> gps: we could fix that
# [17:50] <froydnj> ehsan: or some such
# [17:50] <jimm> but the base number is still useful
# [17:50] <@ehsan> hrm, do we use it?
# [17:50] <@ted> then either you argue that we have huge deep-rooted problems, or i don't believe you
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# [17:50] <@ted> we do have some "dirty profile tests", last i knew
# [17:51] <froydnj> no, see above question about using -B (which is the same thing in option form)
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# [17:52] <gps> we could sit here all day and point out flaws in all the benchmarks
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# [17:53] <@ted> sure
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# [17:56] <catlee> ehsan: I don't get what #3 buys you over #1...you're just delaying the pain
# [17:57] <@ehsan> catlee: pain felt by whom?
# [17:57] <gps> ehsan: are we confident the one day Telemetry sample is sufficient? how about disabling PGO for a few days on Aurora or possibly an entire week on beta?
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# [17:58] <@ehsan> gps: no, we're not confident, but you could go on and on with the investigation
# [17:58] <catlee> ehsan: us primarily
# [17:58] <@ehsan> gps: at some point you should just decide how much measurement you want to perform
# [17:58] <gps> ehsan: so blunt question: why are we going to make a decision with insufficient confidence in the data?
# [17:59] <@ehsan> catlee: releng? (the reason I'm asking is because different people have different stakes at this game)
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# [17:59] <Ms2ger> Good day
# [17:59] <@ehsan> gps: because we can never get all of the information required, and we need to come up with a solution since the status quo is not sustainable
# [18:00] <@ted> i am leaning towards "disable PGO because even though it is useful we don't have enough control to win this war"
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# [18:00] <@ted> just admit defeat until microsoft ships a better toolchain
# [18:00] <@ted> (if ever)
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# [18:00] <@ehsan> ted: I wouldn't hold my breath
# [18:00] <@ted> yeah
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# [18:00] <@ted> did you see we even have patches that make us use the 32-bit linker for win64 builds?
# [18:00] <@ted> because the 64-bit linker is buggy in some other way
# [18:01] <@ted> so even if we could drop win32 support for win64 support we'd still be screwed
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# [18:01] <@ehsan> catlee: gps: note that nobody is arguing that pgo is useless, but it's a trade-off and it's clear that keeping it enabled and ignoring the problem like we've been doing for the past 1-2 years is not an option
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# [18:01] <@ehsan> ted: heh, that's what happens when you have different code bases for different architectures!
# [18:02] <catlee> ehsan: sorry, us == mozilla
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# [18:02] <catlee> ehsan: the only difference is the date, right?
# [18:02] <@ehsan> catlee: for mozilla as an organization, there are multiple points to consider
# [18:02] <@ehsan> catlee: such as the amount of effort that goes into keeping this enabled, the gain we get out of it, PR issues, etc
# [18:03] <@ehsan> catlee: no, date is not the only difference. for example, we _might_ decide to keep it enabled at all costs
# [18:03] <@ehsan> even if it means multi-day tree closures every few months
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# [18:04] <@ehsan> catlee: it's not very clear to me what alternative is best for mozilla, tbh
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# [18:11] <we11ington> So, my gesture image rotation patch failed the browser_gestureSupport.js test, "Found an unexpected browser window at the end of the test run"
# [18:12] <we11ington> It passed all the tests on the gesture itself, failing only there
# [18:12] <we11ington> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833511
# [18:12] <jdm> we11ington: it sounds like there's a window that needs closing
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# [18:13] <we11ington> jdm: Indeed, but why would tying up an action to the MozRotateGesture cause windows to not close?
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# [18:13] <philor> we11ington: I think it failed actual tests, too, I remember the failures being several lines long
# [18:13] <we11ington> philor: I didn't see the failure message, I was just running it on my own
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# [18:14] <philor> we11ington: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=19310118&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [18:14] <we11ington> philor: That was the only message given, and it gave it 6 times
# [18:14] <catlee> ehsan: you don't make that clear with #3 - "Try to delay disabling PGO/LTCG until the next time that we hit the
# [18:14] <jdm> we11ington: yeah, there are various failures
# [18:14] <romaxa> smaug: here I have created initial version of native json parser https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/embedding/embedlite/modules/EmbedLiteJSON.cpp
# [18:14] <catlee> limit, and disable PGO/LTCG then once and for all"
# [18:14] <we11ington> philor: Yep, that doesn't match my log, I'll see what i can learn
# [18:14] <jdm> Step 2: Decreasing command was triggered
# [18:14] <@ehsan> catlee: how do you mean?
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# [18:15] <romaxa> smaug: probably need to make dummy JSContext in order to make it independent
# [18:15] <romaxa> smaug: + implement jsval -> PropertyBag conversion
# [18:15] <romaxa> smaug: + PropertyBag -> jsobject tree
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# [18:16] <we11ington> jdm: philor: What's interesting is that we didn't change the latched property of rotation (although, we *will* be removing it for zoom)
# [18:16] <we11ington> (But that zoom change is eventually, not now)
# [18:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a03b43bb56a1 - Henri Sivonen - Bug 234628 part 3 - Disable/enable the Character Encoding menu depending on what the docshell says. r=gavin, ui-r=fyan.
# [18:17] <catlee> ehsan: well, you mentioned about that we would more actively manage the memory usage whereas in your post it seems like we would be waiting to hit the limit again and then react immediately by disabling PGO
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# [18:17] <@smaug> romaxa: perhaps you could use the safejscontext
# [18:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/92542cbceb07 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 836126: Use size_t instead of int for loop variable, in loop running from 0 to sizeof(something). r=ekr
# [18:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c23e34b50930 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 836303: Remove unused fields from TransportTestPeer class, in sctp_unittest.cpp. r=ekr
# [18:18] <@ehsan> catlee: well, option #2 is basically keep PGO at all costs, option #3 is let's delay the necessary evil until we have to face it
# [18:18] <romaxa> smaug: hmmm good idea, need to check that
# [18:18] <@smaug> romaxa: curious, why you don't use strong pointers here nsHashPropertyBag *hpb = new nsHashPropertyBag();
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# [18:18] <@smaug> no need to manually addref/release
# [18:18] <@ehsan> catlee: not sure how I can clear up the wording
# [18:18] <@smaug> use forget() if needed
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# [18:22] <catlee> ehsan: right...so #1 is accept evil today; #2 is never give up, never surrender; #3 is status quo for the present knowing that we're going to surrender at some point
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# [18:23] <Ms2ger> Never let it down?
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# [18:23] <@ehsan> catlee: precisely :)
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# [18:24] <@bz> An interesting question informing our choice of action is whether we think pgo actually helps our users
# [18:24] <@bz> or whether it just improves our benchmarketability
# [18:24] <catlee-steak> bz: I think that's the most important criteria
# [18:24] <catlee-steak> (users)
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# [18:25] <@smaug> sure, but if we're really bad at benchmarks, we might not get too many users
# [18:25] <@bz> catlee-steak: that's ... not obvious.
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# [18:25] <@bz> catlee-steak: unfortunately.
# [18:26] <Ms2ger> Meh
# [18:26] <Ms2ger> If we regress dromaeo, bz can start shaving of cycles again :)
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# [18:27] <@smaug> we need to run also other benchmarks
# [18:27] <@smaug> *maybe* they aren't as silly as dromaeo
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# [18:27] <@bz> indeed
# [18:27] <@bz> Though they are
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# [18:28] <froydnj> well, us running other benchmarks and convincing people that the current benchmarks are silly are two different things
# [18:28] <@bz> Some parts of Dromaeo are less silly than others
# [18:28] <@bz> fwiw
# [18:28] <@bz> e.g. the .firstChild test is not quite as silly as the .id test
# [18:29] <froydnj> and bad benchmark results tend to linger in the minds of people for quite some time, even if the benchmark in question has been shown to be silly
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# [18:35] <@bz> froydnj: indeed.
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# [18:36] <romaxa> smaug: btw where new create JSObject goes after exiting from that function? GC?
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# [18:38] <@smaug> romaxa: you mean after JSON parsing?
# [18:38] <@smaug> GC should take care of it
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# [18:39] <@smaug> hmm
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# [18:40] <@smaug> romaxa: how does that work
# [18:40] <romaxa> smaug: can I do something in order to not bother GC with these objects
# [18:40] <romaxa> ?
# [18:40] <romaxa> like delete it immediately
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# [18:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a2c1b901717 - Brian Hackett - Bug 836623 - Fix unnecessary growElements() call, bogus assert during object densification, r=billm.
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# [18:41] <@smaug> romaxa: just rely on GC
# [18:41] <romaxa> hmm ok
# [18:41] <@smaug> but better to ask #jseng about JS API usage
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# [18:42] <romaxa> smaug: jseng? it is empty channel
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# [18:42] <@smaug> romaxa: oops, #jsapi
# [18:42] <jorendorff> it should be #jseng but you know, momentum
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# [18:43] <jcranmer> jorendorff: well, DXR development is discussed in #static
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# [18:43] <jcranmer> which used to be #mmgc
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# [18:45] <jorendorff> jcranmer: #static is the right name for that, isn't it? :)
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# [18:45] <froydnj> zing!
# [18:45] <jcranmer> I still have logs from when it was #mmgc
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# [18:48] <we11ington> philor: I'm misreading something so it's my fault, but I can't find where that log you linked to is related to my commit, aside from the fact that it's both about gestures
# [18:48] <kbrosnan> bsmedberg: application not responding
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# [18:48] <we11ington> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=19310118&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [18:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f08e636ecdc4 - Steve Workman - Bug 792935 - Test to detect DASH stream switching r=cpearce
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# [18:52] <jdm> we11ington: it's likely a log from a test run subsequent to your commit
# [18:52] <jdm> all tests run on every commit, more or less
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# [18:53] <we11ington> jdm: Wouldn't we expect it to have failed on my commit then?
# [18:53] <jdm> we11ington: not necessarily. some failures are intermittent.
# [18:53] <we11ington> jdm: Gotcha
# [18:53] <edmorley> we11ington: and not all tests are run on each push, due to lack of test machines
# [18:53] <we11ington> jdm: The problem I'm running into now is that the local failures don't even remotely match the failure in that log
# [18:54] <edmorley> we11ington: if there is a queue, the intemediate test jobs get collapsed and run on the later push
# [18:54] <jdm> bsmedberg: got any experience with NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_IIDA?
# [18:54] <we11ington> edmorley: That makes sense
# [18:54] <@bsmedberg> jdm: some
# [18:54] <Optimizer> I've been trying to concatinate two large images, but canvas.toDataURI has some limits on size. Can someone educate me on that ?
# [18:54] <jdm> we11ington: if you have failures locally, work on resolving them first
# [18:54] <jdm> unless the errors you see in logs are clearly easy to fix
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# [18:54] <we11ington> jdm: The failures I had locally are that the window didn't close, and I have no idea how anything I did could have caused that
# [18:55] <jdm> bsmedberg: so I altered nsGeolocation to inherit from a new nsIGeolocation interface as well as nsIDOMGeoGeolocation, and now all tests that instantiate nsIDOMGeoGeolocation throw that exception
# [18:55] <jdm> I'm totally lost
# [18:55] <jdm> I've done a full mach build
# [18:55] <Ms2ger> jdm, pastebin your patch?
# [18:56] <@bsmedberg> jdm: did you add the .xpt to the manifest?
# [18:56] * @bsmedberg thinks that's still necessary
# [18:56] <jdm> bsmedberg: ooh, no.
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# [18:56] <jdm> where do I do that?
# [18:56] <Ms2ger> Or listen to bsmedberg, that works too :)
# [18:56] <@bsmedberg> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/installer/package-manifest.in
# [18:57] <Ms2ger> Btw...
# [18:57] <@bsmedberg> that might be it
# [18:57] <jdm> bsmedberg: hmm, theoretically my interface is part of dom_geolocation which is already included
# [18:57] <@bsmedberg> ah
# [18:57] <@bsmedberg> jdm: if you run the build, does Ci.nsIMyNewThing work?
# [18:57] <Ms2ger> Does anybody know why we build gfx/qcms from toolkit/toolkit-tiers.mk *and* gfx/Makefile.in?
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# [18:58] <@bsmedberg> clownshoes, probably
# [18:58] <jfkthame> we want to make -really- sure it's built
# [18:59] <jfkthame> no shoddy half-built libraries for us!
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# [18:59] <Ms2ger> Could it have been that it was in the external tier before it was in platform?
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# [18:59] <@bsmedberg> sure could have
# [18:59] <jdm> bsmedberg: hmm, there's no nsIDOMGeoGeolocation in Components.interfaces
# [18:59] <mconnor> sheriff-type people: compare-talos changes coming rsn
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# [18:59] <jdm> that could do it
# [18:59] <mconnor> current: http://perf.snarkfest.net/compare-talos/index.html?oldRevs=2cc710018b14&newRev=20bbf73921f4&submit=true
# [18:59] <@bsmedberg> jdm: yep
# [18:59] <jdm> Ms2ger: bsmedberg: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2101200
# [19:00] <mconnor> update: http://perf.snarkfest.net/ct-stage/index.html?oldRevs=2cc710018b14&newRev=20bbf73921f4&submit=true
# [19:00] <@bsmedberg> jdm: ISTR something like this from a prior release!
# [19:00] <mconnor> ehsan: philor|away: RyanVM: ^^ feedback welcome
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# [19:01] <RyanVM> mconnor: wow, nice
# [19:01] <edmorley> mconnor: nice! :-)
# [19:01] <Ms2ger> A "wow, nice" and a "nice!"? I say, land it!
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# [19:02] <edmorley> jhammel: ^
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# [19:02] <Ms2ger> catlee, had a nice steak? :)
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# [19:02] <@bsmedberg> Can you control whether an HTML <button> is enabled via CSS or only via the DOM?
# [19:02] <Ms2ger> Only via the DOM
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# [19:03] <jhammel> mconnor: wow, nice indeed :)
# [19:03] <Ms2ger> Well, actually, maybe with XBL, perhaps
# [19:03] <Ms2ger> But I wouldn't encourage that :)
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# [19:04] <catlee> Ms2ger: I did!
# [19:04] <@bz> mconnor: whoa, the colors!
# [19:04] <@smaug> bsmedberg: there is that css thing....can't remember the property name...
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# [19:04] <Ms2ger> appearance?
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# [19:05] <@smaug> bsmedberg: -moz-user-input or some such
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# [19:09] <Mano> how can one force js 1.7+ on a worker script?
# [19:09] * Mano would like to use 'let'?
# [19:09] <Mano> well, without question marks.
# [19:09] <Ms2ger> bent? mounir?
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# [19:11] <edmorley> just hit 2500 comments in bug 761987 \o/
# [19:11] <@ted> that doesn't seem like a milestone to celebrate
# [19:11] <froydnj> think there's an open bug for js versions in worker scripts somewhere
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# [19:12] <edmorley> ted: well I was having a naive spell where I was hoping it would be fixed before 3000 and so this would be the last time we'd hit a semi-significant number
# [19:13] <@ted> heh
# [19:13] <edmorley> but I suspect I'm being overly-optimistic
# [19:13] <Optimizer> Mano: ChromeWorker ?
# [19:13] * Mano would prefer to avoid that
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# [19:13] <Optimizer> Mano: then no.
# [19:13] <bent> Mano, you can't without using ChromeWorker
# [19:13] <Optimizer> (I guess)
# [19:13] <Mano> ok :(
# [19:13] <Ms2ger> "[info at comment 1529]"
# [19:13] <Ms2ger> That says enough, doesn't it?
# [19:13] <Mano> Mardak: you won.
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# [19:14] <Optimizer> Ms2ger: enough said!
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# [19:14] <@ted> ehsan: so seriously, i think we should pay someone to work on clang-on-windows
# [19:14] <Bas> ted: What's this talk about a 'broken toolchain' in the PGO discussion? How's the toolchain broken?
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# [19:14] <Optimizer> shut up and take my money (and fix this)
# [19:15] <@ted> Bas: microsoft doesn't provide a 64-bit toolchain that can generate 32-bit object files
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# [19:15] <@ted> er, 32-bit applications
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# [19:15] <@ted> so you're limited to the 4GB of address space
# [19:15] <@ted> and their LTO/PGO optimizer eats it all
# [19:15] <mounir> Ms2ger: yes?
# [19:15] <mounir> mats: ping
# [19:15] * @bsmedberg wonders why MSVC doesn't have a good 64-bit toolchain
# [19:15] <Ms2ger> mounir, unping, already handled :)
# [19:16] <Optimizer> ted: fu
# [19:16] <Bas> ted: Right, there's also a whole bunch of blogposts about how they don't. I don't see how that makes the toolchain broken. Their LTO/PGO optimizer eats it all because we insist on having a huge-ass library :p
# [19:16] <Optimizer> :P
# [19:16] <@ted> bsmedberg: i don't know, but apparently their 64-bit linker sucks too, we have patches to use the 32-bit linker for 64-bit builds
# [19:16] <Bas> bsmedberg: There was blogposts on it by one of the VS Devs.
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# [19:17] <Bas> bsmedberg: Iirc, at least part of the problem was that it was hard to get it to perform well, apparently the longer pointers caused much poorer cache locality.
# [19:17] <paul> Did you guy see this: http://bugmotodo.org/ (built by harth on IRC)
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# [19:17] <@ted> Bas: if they don't provide a toolchain that can actually build our code, i would say it's broken
# [19:18] <jdm> it's snazzy
# [19:18] <Bas> bsmedberg: They ended their argument saying you never really needed the address space(or rather, saying you were doing something wrong if you needed the address space :)) and performance got considerably worse, so they didn't release it. Other issues were with x86 optimizations that all had to be converted I believe.
# [19:18] <@ted> saying "you're using it wrong" is silly
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# [19:18] <@ted> we're building a large real-world application, it has a lot of code
# [19:18] <@ted> deal with it
# [19:18] <Bas> ted: What? Our JS engine is broken because it doesn't run my C++ code?!?
# [19:18] <Bas> ted: I never thought of it that way!
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# [19:18] <@ted> Bas: that is a silly argument and you know it
# [19:18] <@ted> we are using their C++ toolchain to build a large C++ application
# [19:19] <@ted> splitting your code into a zillion DLLs makes it slow
# [19:19] <Bas> ted: No, you're using it wrong is a -perfectly- valid argument for complex software. We've had lots of WONTFIX'es because webpages simply did something stupid.
# [19:19] <@bsmedberg> "you should use more DLLs"
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> Bas, because the spec required different behaviour, you mean?
# [19:19] <@ted> Bas: arguing that trying to build firefox with visual c++ is like trying to run C++ in the JS engine is silly
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# [19:19] <@ted> chrome hits this same issue, so they don't build with PGO
# [19:19] <Bas> Ms2ger: No, simply because of doing something insane, which the spec allowed :P
# [19:19] <@ted> are we all doing it wrong?
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# [19:20] <Ms2ger> ted, clearly, Chrome is doing it all wrong ;)
# [19:20] <@ted> their toolchain is broken, i stand by that
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# [19:20] <catlee> ehsan: I don't remember, do the win8 builds require vs2012?
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# [19:20] <Bas> catlee: I can't get them to build with 2010 because moz-build doesn't pickup the SDK right.
# [19:20] <Bas> catlee: Technically they shouldn't though.
# [19:21] <Bas> bsmedberg ted: Well, I don't see why multiple smaller DLL's would make things slow if the DLL boundary was chosen right, but I -can- see how it could be harder.
# [19:21] <@ted> DLL loading adds overhead
# [19:21] <Bas> ted bsmedberg: Fwiw, when we split Cairo and Azure off into a separate DLL we found no measurable performance difference.
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# [19:22] <Bas> ted bsmedberg: On the other hand large DLLs add much harder to measure and more complicated overhead because of the weird way Windows pages them.
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# [19:23] <@bsmedberg> Bas: it's mainly everything that uses XPCOM, because the relocations required by exporting XPCOM symbols showed up prominently in startup profiles
# [19:23] <Bas> And partially because of that I believe we jump through hoops to try and not get prefetched and stuff.
# [19:23] <romaxa> smaug: btw you told yesterday about some example code which enumerate jsobject/val and convert it into native structure? where is that?
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# [19:23] <@ted> Bas: shifting code out into other DLLs also hurts cross-module optimization
# [19:23] <Bas> bsmedberg: I dunno, could be our export-surface is exceptionally large, I'm not sure.
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# [19:23] <@ted> which is the big point of LTO
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# [19:24] <Bas> ted: Sure, which is why I'm saying the boundary should be carefully chosen.
# [19:25] <Bas> ted: Splitting Azure into layout/media was fine, because it's only about 20 functions, each of which have large runtimes making them unattractive to cross-module optimizations and insignificant in terms of cross-library overhead.
# [19:25] <mats> mounir: pong
# [19:25] <@ted> that's fair
# [19:25] <@ted> but i don't think that generalizes to our whole codebase
# [19:25] <Bas> ted: Yeah, I agree that it's hard, and I don't necessarily disagree that for now disabling PGO might have the highest return on investment (I'm not sure it does, just saying I don't know).
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# [19:26] <Bas> ted: But having better API surfaces where we can separate in my opinion is the 'proper' fix.
# [19:26] <@ted> eh
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# [19:26] <Bas> The more awesome advantage of that is faster incremental builds and easier isolated testing.
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# [19:26] <@ted> trying to modularize everything got us into this horrible XPCOM mess
# [19:26] <Bas> The value of which I believe has been proven in both Azure and JS.
# [19:27] <@smaug> romaxa: so those cases are generated code.
# [19:27] <Bas> ted: The fact we modularized according to COM principles is what got us there :p
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# [19:27] <glandium> ted: arguably, we don't need that XPCOM mess to modularize
# [19:27] <@ted> i think modularity has its place, but i don't know that we can actually do that across things like layout and DOM
# [19:27] <@smaug> romaxa: there is dictionary codegen for .idl files, and then the one for .webidl
# [19:27] <Ms2ger> Yay, modularity
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# [19:27] <@ted> i feel like that large of a refactoring is hopeless
# [19:28] <@ted> and we should just work on servo
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# [19:28] <@smaug> romaxa: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/dictionary_helper_gen.py?force=1 is for .idl dictionaries
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# [19:28] <Bas> ted: I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense for layout and DOM to be in one library :). But for Thebes, Fonts, etc. etc. it doesn't make so much sense :)
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# [19:28] <Mossop> edmorley: Where would I file a request to increase a buildbot timeout?
# [19:28] <@smaug> romaxa: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/dictionary_helper_gen.conf?force=1 is the config file for that
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# [19:28] <edmorley> Mossop: mozilla.org :: release engineering (automation general)
# [19:29] <Bas> ted: Heh :P As long as Gecko is our main product I think it's pretty important to work hard on that :P. I do agree that a refactoring of that scale is nigh impossible.
# [19:29] <edmorley> Mossop: which job out of curiosity?
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# [19:30] <Bas> ted: But as we remove thebes and migrate stuff to use Azure directly at least the GFX footprint in xul.dll should be reduced considerably, and hopefully more of ImageLib and stuff could be pulled out as well.
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# [19:30] <Mossop> edmorley: the m-c win-debug build on the Jetpack tree, it's been consistently timing out but I think it's just taking longer than we thing
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# [19:30] <edmorley> Mossop: ah :-)
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# [19:31] <Ms2ger> Bas, let's do that, then! ;)
# [19:31] <Bas> Ms2ger: Working on it! Working on it! I don't think I've added code to xul.dll for a long time now :-) It might actually be feasible to split out layers while we're refactoring it.
# [19:31] <mounir> mats: actually, I found what I was looking for
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# [19:32] <mats> mounir: ok, good
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# [19:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/493805ba1c85 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 834681 - Add support for basic distribution modifications. r=mfinkle
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# [19:45] <jdm> bsmedberg: riddle me this: I have no patches applied and I'm still getting the bad IID exception
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# [19:46] <@bsmedberg> jdm: well... Components.interfaces.nsIDOMGeoGeolocation WFM in a nightly.
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# [19:46] <jdm> yeah, I'm so confused
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# [19:47] <bjacob> can anyone help with this build error under js/src :
# [19:47] <bjacob> http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2101350
# [19:48] <Ms2ger> jdm, sounds like a clobber :)
# [19:48] <bjacob> ImportError: No module named buildconfig
# [19:48] <edmorley> bjacob: *.pyc
# [19:48] <jdm> yeah, I'm giving it a shot
# [19:48] <bjacob> edmorley: *oh*
# [19:48] <jhammel> friggin .pyc
# [19:48] <@ehsan> catlee: no, they don't
# [19:49] <@ehsan> ted: yeah I agree. not sure how to pull the required strings though ;)
# [19:49] <@ehsan> mconnor: what has changed? (besides the looks)
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# [19:49] <@ted> ehsan: i will draft an email to ctalbert, we probably just need to convince bmoss
# [19:49] <bjacob> jhammel: Ms2ger: alias python = (find . -name '*.pyc' | xargs rm) && python
# [19:49] <philor> sworkman: orange
# [19:49] <@ehsan> ted: great, copy me on it please :)
# [19:49] <@ted> bjacob: hah!
# [19:50] <Ms2ger> bjacob, heh
# [19:50] <@ted> bjacob: except i dont' think that actually works
# [19:50] <@ted> since we run python from a virtualenv inside the objdir
# [19:50] <@ted> ehsan: will do
# [19:50] <sworkman> philor: thanks, I'll take a look
# [19:50] <jhammel> bjacob: oh, i know, its easy enough to fix...just annoying
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# [19:50] <@ehsan> thanks
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# [19:51] <@bsmedberg> NeilAway or bz: do you know how tab navigation interacts with XBL (in this case, the plugin-crashed XBL)?
# [19:52] <@bsmedberg> it looks like I can tab *into* focusable elements in the binding
# [19:52] <@bsmedberg> but I can't tab between them or out
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# [19:52] <@bz> bsmedberg: I try to avoid that code... :(
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# [19:52] <@bz> bsmedberg: But I can believe those symptomps happening, for sure. :(
# [19:52] <@bsmedberg> Who should I be asking?
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# [19:53] <@smaug> bsmedberg: perhaps Enn
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# [19:53] <@bsmedberg> ok
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# [19:54] <sriram> is there a scheduled merge from m-i to m-c ?
# [19:54] <sfink> people.mozilla.org:~/.ssh/authorized_keys was autogenerated by puppet? Hm, ok.
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# [19:54] <Ms2ger> sriram, when it's ready :)
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# [19:54] <sriram> :)
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# [19:56] <mconnor> ehsan: actual test names, not shortnames, ability to filter out unchanged results
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# [19:56] <@bsmedberg> sfink: it deploys your LDAP-based keys to the machine, yes
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# [19:56] <mconnor> realizing I may want to sort the test results by name, graph API has them sort of randomly
# [19:56] <sfink> bsmedberg: ah! That makes sense. I just assumed I'd put it there myself.
# [19:56] <sfink> thanks
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# [19:57] <sfink> I guess that means I really really shouldn't mess up that file
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# [19:57] <Enn> bsmedberg: tab navigation iterates over the frame tree so xbl-implemeted content isn't dealt with any special way
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# [19:58] <@bsmedberg> Enn: hrm, I wonder why it's getting stuck then :-(
# [19:58] <@bsmedberg> sfink: if you like logging into people, then yes ;-)
# [19:58] <@ehsan> mconnor: cool. this is definitely an improvement
# [19:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1ce8f535ff87 - Steve Workman - Back out f08e636ecdc4 (bug 792935) for mochitest failures
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# [20:01] <mconnor> pushed changes to the location TBPL uses
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# [20:03] <@ehsan> thanks
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# [20:04] <froydnj> ...?
# [20:04] <BenWa> bsmedberg: ping. I've got a question about crash reports
# [20:04] <Ms2ger> Breaking the PGO thread
# [20:04] <froydnj> blame Zimbra =/
# [20:04] <Ms2ger> So your message isn't muted :(
# [20:04] <froydnj> I shall be heard!
# [20:04] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: pong
# [20:04] <BenWa> bsmedberg: I've got a top crash on this line http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/annotate/44ad9c166d46/gfx/layers/ipc/ShmemYCbCrImage.cpp#l145 . Does that include the following 2 lines or is the crash strictly on line 145?
# [20:05] <Ms2ger> froydnj, also, use thunderbird :)
# [20:05] * froydnj guesses Ms2ger's next move is to just filter nfroyd@ to /dev/null
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# [20:05] <Ms2ger> wfm
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# [20:05] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Or better yet can I get the PC for the crash report?
# [20:05] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: same info you'd get from a debugger, so probably anywhere in that statement, possibly inlined functions, and maybe even the previous statement
# [20:06] <@ted> BenWa: yes
# [20:06] <@ted> BenWa: what OS is this?
# [20:06] <froydnj> ehsan: unfortunately, __assume is much stronger than __builtin_likely
# [20:06] <BenWa> ted: Fennec android https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/7ee7bca1-853c-4707-804e-3e9452130130
# [20:06] <@ted> ah
# [20:06] <@ted> okay
# [20:06] <BenWa> With the PC I can get the disassembly and see what it was trying to do
# [20:06] <@ted> i can grab that dump and just give you the register state
# [20:06] <BenWa> That would be lovely!
# [20:06] <@ehsan> froydnj: yeah, that's why I said similar but not quite the same ;)
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# [20:06] <froydnj> ehsan: tricky!
# [20:07] <froydnj> would be interesting to substitute __assume and see what happens, though :)
# [20:08] <@ted> BenWa: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2101377
# [20:08] <BenWa> Thanks
# [20:08] <@ted> np
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# [20:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f75f99c52648 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 836803 - Ensure that even a single-element prompt is wrapped in a ScrollView. r=mfinkle
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# [20:16] <@ehsan> bz: ping
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# [20:17] <@bz> ehsan: ack
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# [20:18] <@ehsan> bz: so I have two web idl interfaces, and I want to map them both to the same native type
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# [20:18] <@ehsan> bz: thats not something that is supported, is it?
# [20:18] <@bz> ehsan: correct
# [20:18] <@ehsan> bz: why?
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# [20:18] <@bz> ehsan: blame bent?
# [20:18] * @ehsan blames bent
# [20:18] <@ehsan> bz: is it easy to fix?
# [20:18] <@bz> ehsan: because bent wanted these traits things for mapping native types to webidl stuff
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# [20:18] <@bz> ehsan: well, it involves ripping out the traits stuff I mention
# [20:19] <@ehsan> bz: which trait stuff?
# [20:19] <@bz> ehsan: note that you can cheat and just have empty subclasses of the native type
# [20:19] <@bz> ehsan: lemme look it up
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# [20:19] <@ehsan> bz: nah
# [20:19] <@ehsan> bz: I guess I can do the empty class trick :(
# [20:19] <@bz> ehsan: note that then you can put the WrapObject in there
# [20:20] <@bz> ehsan: instead of having to branch in it, which is not a big change
# [20:20] <@bz> ehsan: PrototypeIDMap
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# [20:20] <@ehsan> bz: yeah
# [20:20] <@ehsan> well
# [20:21] <@ehsan> bz: I was trying to avoid having to subclass...
# [20:21] <@bz> ehsan: you'd have to look at the codegen to see what those things look like in terms of the traits structs
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# [20:21] <@ehsan> bz: I don't wanna spread the logic across two classes
# [20:21] <@bz> ehsan: the only consumer is at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/bindings/BindingUtils.h#248
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# [20:21] <tanvi> bz - do you know how i can reproduce https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836811. it looks like its on mixed content image load on page that doesn't have a securityUI? that doesn't seem possible though
# [20:21] <@ehsan> huh
# [20:21] <@bz> ehsan: So another option is to remove that consumer, remove the traits stuff
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# [20:21] <@bz> ehsan: and fix the places that use that UnwrapObject to explicitly pass in the protoid they want
# [20:22] <@ehsan> bz: couldn't we just do "${webidlifacename}_PrototypeID"?
# [20:22] <@bz> ehsan: mostly workers code.
# [20:22] <@bz> ehsan: yes
# [20:22] <@ehsan> I see
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# [20:22] <@bz> ehsan: this was trying to save on having to write out "similar" information twise..
# [20:22] <@bz> er, twice
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# [20:22] <@ehsan> bz: I'll just use an empty derived class, and document my sadness in the code...
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# [20:22] <@bz> ehsan: I'm 99.9% sure this is the only thing blocking us mapping multiple webidl interfaces to the same concrete class
# [20:23] <@ehsan> bz: do others find it useful as well?
# [20:23] <@bz> ehsan: well, normally people don't unwrap objects by hand in C++
# [20:23] <@bz> ehsan: except workers, of course!
# [20:24] <@ehsan> bz: I mean, do others find it useful to map several web idl interfaces to the same native type?
# [20:24] <bent> ehsan, bz, didn't plan on having more than one class per binding, did we?
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# [20:24] <@gavin> avih: re: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832641#c23 , are you going to close the bugs? :)
# [20:24] <@bz> ehsan: I needed to once
# [20:24] <bent> though guess you could also use some namespace trick
# [20:24] <@bz> bent: this is about the other way around
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# [20:24] <@bz> bent: more than one binding per class
# [20:24] <bent> hmm
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# [20:25] <@bz> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=824823#c8
# [20:25] <@bz> bent: which breaks the basic premise of this PrototypeIdMap thing
# [20:25] <@bz> bent: but nothing else I'm aware of.....
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# [20:26] <bent> yeah, empty subclass sounds easiest
# [20:27] <@bz> Or removing PrototypeIdMap.... ;)
# [20:27] <bent> heh
# [20:27] <bent> is that easy now?
# [20:27] <@bz> Note that doing the empty subclass thing means you have to make sure to create the right one, etc
# [20:27] <@bz> bent: it's just sugar
# [20:27] <@bz> bent: afaict
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# [20:27] <@bz> It sure made the lists patch linked to above way more complicated and error-prone. :(
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# [20:27] <Optimizer> I don't see any idls in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/canvas/src/ folder
# [20:28] <bent> bz, i thought workers was the only thing that used that?
# [20:28] <Ms2ger> Optimizer, what are you looking for?
# [20:28] <bent> it's been a while, maybe i've forgotten
# [20:28] <Optimizer> Ms2ger: in particular, the limit at which that method fails
# [20:29] <Optimizer> (that method = toDataURL)
# [20:29] <@ehsan> bz: it also means you'll need a dummy virtual dtor etc :(
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# [20:29] <WeirdAl> !seen bmcbride
# [20:29] <firebot> I've never seen a 'bmcbride', sorry.
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# [20:29] <Optimizer> found it /dom//interfaces/html/nsIDOMHTMLCanvasElement.idl
# [20:29] <Ms2ger> Optimizer, toDataURL is implemented in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/HTMLCanvasElement.cpp
# [20:29] <@bz> bent: workers are the only thing that uses it, yes
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# [20:30] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, is that Unfocused?
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# [20:30] <Unfocused> it is
# [20:30] <Unfocused> hello!
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# [20:30] <@bz> ehsan: as long as you can talk bent into removing these traits, _I'm_ ok with it. ;)
# [20:30] <bent> ehsan, or you could take over bindings for workers ;)
# [20:30] <bent> i'm open to offers
# [20:31] <@ehsan> bz: well, I need to write this patch today, so I'll just file a bug and assign it to bent ;)
# [20:31] <Ms2ger> ehsan, it's been a while since we rewrote it all, you could be the next owner :)
# [20:31] * @ehsan wants to own less stuff not more
# [20:31] <@ehsan> but nice try, guys!
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# [20:31] <bent> drat, back to the drawing board
# [20:32] <WeirdAl> hi, Unfocused - regarding about:newaddon vendor messaging (bug 834385), I was having quite a bit of trouble getting a property added to the Addon implementation.
# [20:32] <WeirdAl> I was wondering if - for this specific case - it might be better to look up install.rdf from the Addon object and query it directly for a RDF property
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# [20:33] <WeirdAl> the vendor message would otherwise be unused in the code anyway
# [20:33] <Unfocused> WeirdAl: most definitely not :)
# [20:33] <Ms2ger> Heh, RDF
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# [20:34] <Unfocused> i aim on killing rdf with fire at some stage
# [20:34] <WeirdAl> okay, I would welcome guidance
# [20:34] <Unfocused> and then salting it
# [20:34] <Unfocused> and then burning it again
# [20:34] <Unfocused> and then peeing on it
# [20:34] <Unfocused> etc etc
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# [20:35] <Unfocused> WeirdAl: i think there was a self-contained patch that added a property recently, lemme find it
# [20:35] <WeirdAl> coating it in perfume from Chernobyl?
# [20:35] <Unfocused> ooo good idea
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# [20:35] <Optimizer> Unfocused: well that was a very good returning back on irc speech :P
# [20:36] <Unfocused> :)
# [20:36] <WeirdAl> well, qdb knows my opinion about Chernobyl quite well
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# [20:37] <Optimizer> Ms2ger: I could not figure out why toDataURL will fail at some very large height of the canvas, and what height is that ... ?
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# [20:37] <tbsaunde> ehsan: why do you need a virtual dtor for a empty dirived class?
# [20:38] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: because of compiler warnings
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# [20:38] <we11ington> How do I tell mach / mochitest to use a specific profile?
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# [20:38] <Ms2ger> Optimizer, unsure
# [20:38] <Ms2ger> we11ington, oh dear, why?
# [20:38] <tbsaunde> ehsan: that seems like a reasonable place to #pragma your way to victory imo
# [20:39] <we11ington> Ms2ger: I'm hunting for a test failure that I cannot reproduce no matter how hard I try
# [20:39] <@ehsan> I don't care that much
# [20:39] <we11ington> Ms2ger: Kinda at the end of my rope, I think maybe it's using the wrong profile
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# [20:39] <we11ington> Ms2ger: Ergo, the wrong config settings
# [20:40] <BenWa> ted: Any reason why a few registers including r2 is missing from that dump?
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> mach should use the right config...
# [20:40] <@bsmedberg> The bluetooth thing in timeout screenshots is unrelated, right?
# [20:40] <we11ington> I'm starting to seriously doubt that whatever is going on is actually due to my check in
# [20:40] <Unfocused> WeirdAl: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/41c52a9e1337/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/XPIProvider.jsm
# [20:41] <WeirdAl> :( I was hoping to avoid tweaking the database
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# [20:41] <WeirdAl> sqlite, not something I have much experience with
# [20:41] <Unfocused> no, you need to add a db row if you're adding something like that
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# [20:42] <Unfocused> oh, wait...this is for new installs? you don't need a db row then
# [20:42] <jesup> bz: ping
# [20:42] <WeirdAl> it's for XPI's that trigger about:newaddon
# [20:42] * Unfocused 's brain isn't functioning at 100% yet :\
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# [20:42] <WeirdAl> or anything that triggers it actually
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> we11ington, pastebin your test failures?
# [20:42] <Unfocused> oh, er... yea, you need a db row
# [20:43] <we11ington> Ms2ger: The test never fails locally ever.
# [20:43] <we11ington> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=19310118&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [20:43] <WeirdAl> Unfocused: are there other patches for AOM pending which change that db schema?
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# [20:43] <WeirdAl> I'd really like to avoid a conflict
# [20:43] <we11ington> Ms2ger: This is what i'm working on : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833511
# [20:43] <Ms2ger> we11ington, how often have you run it? ;)
# [20:44] <@bz> jesup: ack
# [20:44] <@ted> BenWa: just a silly breakpad bug
# [20:44] <we11ington> Ms2ger: I've tried it locally probably 2 dozen times
# [20:44] <@ted> i think there's a patch that never got landed
# [20:44] <Unfocused> WeirdAl: nothing that will land anytime soon
# [20:44] <jesup> I have bug 779430 sitting in a debugger. Anything you'd like that isn't in the bug?
# [20:44] <we11ington> It only failed on fedora optimal, but I haven't got Fedora
# [20:44] <WeirdAl> and your irradiating of install.rdf, when's that supposed to begin?
# [20:44] <BenWa> ted: So we can't get them easily?
# [20:45] <we11ington> Ms2ger: I'm doing it on Mac, which happens to not be building right now...
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> we11ington, no idea, sorry :(
# [20:45] <we11ington> (For the inbound branch, at least)
# [20:45] <we11ington> Ms2ger: Oh well, thanks for trying :)
# [20:45] <WeirdAl> Unfocused: ^^
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# [20:45] <@bz> jesup: looking
# [20:45] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Something funny happens when it gets pushed out of local. I had a similar problem, but not related to a test.
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, maybe you're interested in jesup's gdb?
# [20:46] <jesup> I have "where" and "where full"
# [20:46] <jesup> yes, I was about to ping him
# [20:46] <JosiahOne> It was a build, worked fine locally on OS X. But when I tried pushing to try server it failed and burned?
# [20:46] <@bz> jesup: I don't know. :(
# [20:46] <@bz> jesup: I've lost track of our readystate code
# [20:46] <we11ington> JosiahOne: It's failing on tests for latching. Honestly the test doesn't seem useful to me at all, because all it does is manually set the gesture to use latching (which we don't), then test that it uses latching. Derp.
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# [20:47] <Ms2ger> But unfortunately, hsivonen tends to have a sane schedule :/
# [20:47] <we11ington> The test doesn't fail (for me anyway), but it would also produce zero useful results for a user
# [20:47] <we11ington> Because latching our gesture makes it useless
# [20:47] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Odd.
# [20:47] <@ted> BenWa: they're in the dump, just minidump_stackwalk didn't print them
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# [20:47] <@ted> lemme see if i have that patch laying around
# [20:47] <JosiahOne> We11ington: I'm not sure what "decreasing command was triggered means"?
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# [20:48] <BenWa> ted: Well we don't critically need it ATM
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# [20:48] <Unfocused> WeirdAl: it won't be for quite awhile. plan is to replace usage of the rdf service with a JS read-only API, refactor the code so another dataformat can be added, and add a json-based format (still need to be backward compatibile with all existing extensions using install.rdf)
# [20:48] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Basically, if a gesture is latched, then it will only trigger once until I switch directions
# [20:48] <@ted> BenWa: okay
# [20:48] <we11ington> JosiahOne: If it's not latched, it'll keep triggering the event as many times as the OS does (which is a lot of times)
# [20:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a033cebb0e4a - Justin Lebar - Bug 836735 - Add interface to QI implementation for ProcessPriorityManager. r=bent
# [20:48] <@ted> i should just land that patch anyway, it has review
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# [20:48] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Ah.
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# [20:49] <jesup> bz: I dumped *this and *mDocument.mRawPtr
# [20:49] <JosiahOne> Does seem kind of pointless.
# [20:49] <WeirdAl> Unfocused - okay, so if I target my change for FF22, I shouldn't anticipate major refactoring before then?
# [20:49] <we11ington> JosiahOne: What they're testing is that the command shouldn't happen when it's latched and they go in the same direction
# [20:50] <JosiahOne> We11ington: Hmm, do you have any idea on how to avoid this/Fix it?
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# [20:50] <@ted> BenWa: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2101476
# [20:51] <Unfocused> WeirdAl: no, you'll be fine :) i've been off work for the past 2 months, and even when i get back i've got non-addons manager projects that need finished first
# [20:51] <@ted> does anyone know why firefox always wants to send me to www.pastebin?
# [20:51] <BenWa> ted: Thanks
# [20:51] <BenWa> \
# [20:51] <jesup> hsivonen: ping
# [20:51] <Unfocused> and no one else is doing big stuff atm
# [20:51] <@ted> i have deleted that from my autocomplete multiple times
# [20:51] <WeirdAl> ok, good to know, thanks
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# [20:52] <JosiahOne> We11ington: What bug is this?
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# [20:53] <we11ington> JosiahOne: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833511
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# [20:53] <NeilAway> tanvi: is there any documentation on the mixed content blocker and how to use it in other applications?
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# [20:54] <Archaeopteryx> ted: bookmarks, keyword searches, keyword autocompletes (maybe with modifier keys)?
# [20:54] <jcranmer> ted: if you type a word in the address bar and you don't select an autocomplete, it goes to google and returns the first result
# [20:55] <we11ington> JosiahOne: It passes the test on OS X debug and optimal
# [20:55] <jcranmer> or maybe it autoautocompletes the www. + .com first
# [20:55] <@ted> jcranmer: that doesn't seem to be happening
# [20:55] <@ted> i type pastebin, it autocompletes pastebin.mozilla.org (inline)
# [20:55] <@ted> i hit enter, and it takes me to www.
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# [20:56] <JosiahOne> we11ington: That's weird, the test only failed on Linux? It was fine on Windows right?
# [20:56] <jcranmer> ted: I know I had some cases where it highlighted an autocomplete and it didn't use that
# [20:56] <@ted> odd
# [20:56] <@ted> jcranmer: this is the inline autocomplte
# [20:56] <@ted> so if it's not using that that's very weird
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# [20:57] <jesup> bz: other than hsivonen, anyone else who'd be interested?
# [20:57] <Ms2ger> smaug, perhaps?
# [20:57] <Ms2ger> smaug, document.readyState, something for you?
# [20:58] <@smaug> that is all hsivonen
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# [20:58] <JosiahOne> We11ington: Explain to me the purpose of the latch preference?
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# [20:59] <we11ington> JosiahOne: The ultimate purpose? I don't really know
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# [20:59] <we11ington> JosiahOne: The failure is extremely intermittent. Probably just coincidence that it failed on Fedora but not anything else.
# [20:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/40aeae12d091 - Joey Armstrong - bug 830351: remove unused .mkdir.deps rule and clenaup cosmetic makefile problems
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# [21:00] <JosiahOne> We11ington: Is there a possibility that pushing it to inbound would not show any failure at all?
# [21:00] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Quite possible, because it almost never fails
# [21:00] <JosiahOne> Or was it tried many times before?
# [21:00] <we11ington> JosiahOne: FWIW, I just got it to fail once, but I still can't figure out why
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# [21:01] <we11ington> JosiahOne: It only fails maybe 2% of the time, kinda impossible to determine why
# [21:01] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Stinks of a race condition
# [21:01] <JosiahOne> We11ington: You got it to fail locally?
# [21:01] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Yeah
# [21:01] <we11ington> Can't get it to do it again
# [21:01] <JosiahOne> we11ington: 2%. These are the really annoying things to fix.
# [21:02] <JosiahOne> :\
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# [21:04] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Have you asked jaws about this?
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# [21:05] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Yeah
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# [21:05] <JosiahOne> we11ington: And he had no ideas?
# [21:05] <JosiahOne> On a fix I mean.
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# [21:08] <we11ington> JosiahOne: We can't even reproduce the error, how are we supposed to fix it?
# [21:08] <edmorley> "but let's not forget that Windows is a legacy platform that's only
# [21:08] <edmorley> tier-1 because it happens to have some absurdly large proportion of our
# [21:08] <edmorley> users" ... lol
# [21:08] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Meanwhile, git is being unbearably stupid beyond all measure
# [21:08] <JosiahOne> we11ington: You are using GIT?
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# [21:08] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Not Mericural?
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# [21:08] <WeirdAl> somehow we always answer that by coming up with new measuring systems
# [21:09] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Yes, because Mercurial makes no shred of sense to me
# [21:10] <we11ington> JosiahOne: It keeps messing things up in unbelievably nonsensical ways
# [21:10] <JosiahOne> we11ington: :) I see. Anyway, don't you have any build logs that show where in your code it fails?
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# [21:10] <we11ington> JosiahOne: It's not a build failure
# [21:10] <JosiahOne> we11ington: I know, it's a test failure.
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# [21:10] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Does't it log anything?
# [21:11] <we11ington> JosiahOne: I know where in the test it's failing, but there's no earthly reason for it to fail there--especially, to fail only some of the time
# [21:11] <we11ington> JosiahOne: There is a race condition somewhere, I'm sure of it
# [21:11] <JosiahOne> we11ington: It sure seems like it.
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# [21:11] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Nothing that we did even remotely relates to what's going wrong, though
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# [21:12] <we11ington> JosiahOne: I'm pretty sure that the only reason we think it's mine is because what i'm doing is "gesture" and the failure was on "gesture", but I'm pretty sure we didn't break it
# [21:12] <JosiahOne> we11ington: I looked at your patch, and I agree. I don't know how it could have been you.
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# [21:13] <JosiahOne> You said it fails on latching. But you don't have any code even related to that.
# [21:13] <RyanVM> edmorley: I lolled too
# [21:13] <jimm> platform flame war avoidance system kicking in
# [21:13] <@bsmedberg> who manages orangefactor?
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# [21:13] <edmorley> bsmedberg: mcote, jgriffin, i've contributed a few
# [21:13] <@bsmedberg> jimm: you lasted longer than I did!
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# [21:14] <@bsmedberg> edmorley: you were already on the "To" of this email ;-)
# [21:14] <edmorley> :-)
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# [21:16] <edmorley> bsmedberg: presuming you mean the webapp rather than "efforts to lower our intermittent failure rate" ?
# [21:16] <JosiahOne> We11ington: Well, I really don't have any suggestions for you. All I can say is good luck. One thing though, could you try pushing it to inbound again and hope it does not fail the test, or does it not work that way?
# [21:16] <@bsmedberg> edmorley: well, kinda "who would I email about identifying a possible orange pattern"
# [21:17] <we11ington> JosiahOne: I can see what jaws thinks, he's gonna handle pushing for us
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# [21:17] <edmorley> bsmedberg: dev.tree-management, auto-tools@moco perhaps
# [21:17] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Good idea.
# [21:18] <we11ington> Actually, I am *certain* this is a race condition.
# [21:19] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Once the expected and actual values get off by 1, it'll fail every subsequent test until they are reset--because they never get reset
# [21:19] <we11ington> JosiahOne: So it's only *Really* failing on the first of those errors
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# [21:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eefb9fb2af78 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets 9aadf7e35e70 (bug 836517) and 493805ba1c85 (bug 834681) for Android test hangs.
# [21:20] <JosiahOne> we11ington: If it is a race condition, then it is not at ALL going to be easy to fix. If even possible.
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# [21:21] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Also I don't think it's my problem if it's a race condition. :D
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# [21:21] <JosiahOne> we11ington: Exactly.
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# [21:22] <JosiahOne> We11ington: Well, talk to jaws about it. Do the best you can. I really need to get back to work. This app isn't going to create itself (Bummer). Good luck!
# [21:22] <we11ington> JosiahOne: Yeah, thanks for your help!
# [21:23] <JosiahOne> we11ington: No problem.
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# [21:23] <@roc> how do I create a mailing list at mozilla.org?
# [21:24] <Mossop> Is it just me that finds kdiff completely unintelligible?
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# [21:24] <@gavin> roc: servicenow :/
# [21:25] <@gavin> "mailman mailing list request"
# [21:25] <@roc> okay
# [21:25] <@roc> thanks gavin!
# [21:27] <fryn> Optimizer: yeah, panorama is a deprioritized area that has plenty of known problems.
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# [21:27] <reuben> sadly :(
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# [21:27] <fryn> Optimizer: Firefox has lots of UI problems that we need to get to first.
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# [21:28] <Optimizer> wow, if it hadn't my super awesome memories .. I would have forgotten the context :P
# [21:28] <Optimizer> fryn: true ... I am okay with the current tab groups .. just don't remove them please ^^
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# [21:29] <fryn> Optimizer: we're not planning to remove them. we want to fix them so it's easier to understand and more pleasant to use, but it's not a top priority right now. Australis is a higher priority for example.
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# [21:29] <Optimizer> I know :)
# [21:30] <Optimizer> wish I could help ...
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# [21:31] <jimm> ted: http://tinyurl.com/a36aotp
# [21:31] <jimm> that's Tp5 data from when we had it last year
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# [21:34] <nrc> :-( I like panorama, it's awesome!
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# [21:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c0dc5d403329 - Robert Strong - Bug 836620 - Cleanup app binary copies used by app update xpcshell tests. r=bbondy
# [21:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0988737f4382 - Dave Hunt - Bug 833007 - Gaia UI tests fail against desktop Firefox OS builds due to tap interaction. r=mdas
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# [21:44] <spohl> when running mochitest-browser-chrome tests, is browser output to stderr and stdout being redirected somehow?
# [21:44] <@bsmedberg> spohl: depends on how you're running them, perhaps?
# [21:44] <@bsmedberg> I think mach saves it off somewhere but "make" doesn't
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# [21:45] <@bsmedberg> but it might be teed into a log along the way
# [21:45] <Ms2ger> I don't think mach does anything else than make
# [21:45] <@gavin> runtests.py also does some weird stuff with stdout depending on its parameters
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# [21:45] <spohl> TEST_PATH=browser/base/content/test/browser_gestureSupport.js make -C . mochitest-browser-chrome
# [21:46] <spohl> I tried NSLog, fprintf to stderr and stdout, but no output
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# [21:47] <spohl> NSLog works perfectly fine when launching the browser manually and executing code paths with the NSLog statements
# [21:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b1e8d7154488 - Andrew Miller - Bug 834100 - Null deref if you call addIceCandidate on an RTCPeerConnection before setting localDesc [@ fsmdef_ev_addcandidate]. r=abr
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# [21:49] <spohl> the next best option would be to attach gdb to the browser process upon startup
# [21:49] <spohl> but not sure how to do this when the browser is launched by mochitest-browser-chrome
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# [21:52] <@gavin> spohl: runtests.py supports --with-debugger or somesuch
# [21:52] <froydnj> spohl: EXTRA_TEST_ARGS=--debugger=gdb
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# [21:52] <@gavin> yeah that ^
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# [21:54] <Ms2ger> spohl, or ./mach mochitest-browser-chrome --debugger=gdb browser/base/content/test/browser_gestureSupport.js
# [21:54] <spohl> gavin, froydnj, Ms2ger: thanks!
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# [21:54] <spohl> Just realized that "(gdb) attach —waitfor firefox-bin" does the trick too
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# [22:02] <@ehsan> bz: is there a way to build in dom/bindings and skip all of the binding codegen?
# [22:03] <@ehsan> i.e., just rebuild whatever source files we have?
# [22:03] <@bz> ehsan: "touch $objdir/dom/bindings/*.{h,cpp}"
# [22:03] <@ehsan> bz: ok, thanks
# [22:03] <@bz> ehsan: note that khuey is working on adding real dependency tracking here...
# [22:03] <@ehsan> bz: is there a bug# for that?
# [22:04] <@ehsan> this drives me crazy every time I work on bindings :(
# [22:04] <khuey> it'll be fixed next week
# [22:04] <Ms2ger> Hear, hear
# [22:04] <khuey> probably going to finish the patch on the train from Paris to Brussels
# [22:04] <@ehsan> khuey: \o/
# [22:04] <@ehsan> bz: oh wait, how does the touching help?
# [22:05] <@bz> ehsan: skips regenerating those files
# [22:05] <@ehsan> I think I'm missing something then
# [22:05] <@bz> ehsan: which is the main perf cost...
# [22:05] <@ehsan> cause it doesn't do that for me at all
# [22:05] <@bz> ehsan: weird
# [22:05] <@ehsan> bz: every time I make in dom/bindings, all headers/bindings are regenerated
# [22:05] <@ehsan> and then we compare them
# [22:05] <@ehsan> before copying over
# [22:05] <@bz> Yes
# [22:06] <@ehsan> and all of this takes ~1:30 minutes or so
# [22:06] <@bz> But that only happens if the .h/.cpp is not up to date
# [22:06] <@ehsan> o_O?
# [22:06] <@bz> ehsan: the way it works right now the problem is this
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# [22:06] <@ehsan> I've *never* had that property
# [22:06] <@bz> The makefile has a rule for making the .cpp say
# [22:06] <@ehsan> right
# [22:06] <@bz> That rule runs the codegen for that .cpp
# [22:06] <@bz> The codegen generates the new text, and if that differs overwrites
# [22:06] <@bz> So if the text _changes_ you're good.
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# [22:07] <@bz> If not, then you don't update the timestamp on the .cpp
# [22:07] <@ehsan> but when is the codegen invokes?
# [22:07] <@ehsan> *invoked?
# [22:07] <@bz> so make keeps thinking it's out of date
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# [22:07] <Ms2ger> Every time you touch one of the deps
# [22:07] <@ehsan> ah right
# [22:07] <@bz> ehsan: right
# [22:07] <@ehsan> yeah that's what I'm experiencing
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# [22:07] <@bz> So if you touch the .cpp/.h files
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# [22:08] <@bz> and don't modify any of the globalgen_dependencies
# [22:08] <@bz> you should end up skipping having to do codegen for those bindings
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# [22:08] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/bindings/Makefile.in#131 and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/bindings/Makefile.in#122 are the relevant make rules
# [22:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b536eee06d66 - Scott Johnson - Bug 830645: Allow reflow-on-zoom to happen on page-load. [r=kats]
# [22:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69e0bdbd4f36 - Aarom Klotz - Bug 815418: Telemetry for failed profile lock attempts r=vladan
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# [22:14] <@ehsan> bz: ok so then that's broken for me
# [22:14] <@ehsan> bz: here's a scenario
# [22:14] <@ehsan> if I do a full build
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# [22:14] <@bz> ok
# [22:14] <@ehsan> and then rebuild without any changes
# [22:15] <@ehsan> I still get all of the codegen etc
# [22:15] <@bz> yes
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# [22:15] <@bz> that's expected given the above setup
# [22:15] <@bz> and is what khuey is working on fixing
# [22:15] <@ehsan> but what parts of globalgen dependencies have I changed then?
# [22:15] <@bz> well
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# [22:15] <@bz> was your full build a clobber?
# [22:15] <@bz> or dep?
# [22:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2524d2ba315a - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 6: Browser social replacements of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak, r=jaws
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# [22:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/743071f62e67 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 7: Browser sanitize replacements of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
# [22:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a39e48ab00a6 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 1: addVisits replacement of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
# [22:16] <@ehsan> bz: mostly dep
# [22:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5fe0fa1d1b9e - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 2: docshell replacement of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
# [22:16] <@bz> then how does it help?
# [22:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ebc59bd1a516 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 4: Browser replacements of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
# [22:16] <@bz> The full build simply didn't update the timestamps on the .cpp files
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# [22:16] <@bz> let me ask this a different way
# [22:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c45ef9f35b4a - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 5: Toolkit replacements of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
# [22:16] <@bz> what is the timestamp on your typical *Binding.cpp file?
# [22:16] <@bz> And what're the timestamps on your globalgen dependencies?
# [22:17] <@ehsan> bz: 31 Jan 16:01
# [22:17] <@ehsan> bz: 31 Jan 14:20 ../bindings/Bindings.conf
# [22:17] <@bz> Er, you actually want the things in bindinggen_dependencies
# [22:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d956c4b8279 - Aaron Klotz - Bug 815418: Telemetry for failed profile lock attempts r=vladan
# [22:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4df72bf4cd1c - Scott Johnson - Backed out changeset 69e0bdbd4f36 for incorrect commit message. r=me
# [22:18] <@ehsan> bz: all of them?
# [22:18] <@bz> yes
# [22:18] <@bz> is any of them newer than some of the c++ files?
# [22:19] <@bz> A binding header/cpp file is considered out of date if its timestamp predates any of the bindinggen_dependencies
# [22:19] <@ehsan> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2101658
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# [22:19] <@ehsan> bz: none of them is newer than the cpp files as far as I can tell
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# [22:21] <@bz> ehsan: what about BindingGen.py, Makefile.in, ParserResults.pkl ?
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# [22:22] <@ehsan> $ ls -lh BindingGen.py Makefile.in ~/moz/mozilla-central/obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/ParserResults.pkl
# [22:22] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 1.6M 31 Jan 14:37 /Users/ehsanakhgari/moz/mozilla-central/obj-ff-dbg/dom/bindings/ParserResults.pkl
# [22:22] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 2.2K 23 Jan 19:52 BindingGen.py
# [22:22] <@ehsan> -rw-r--r-- 1 ehsanakhgari staff 5.6K 29 Jan 09:44 Makefile.in
# [22:22] <Ms2ger> Staff?
# [22:22] <@dolske> sudo bash
# [22:22] <@ehsan> bz: they're all older
# [22:22] <@dolske> #
# [22:22] <@dolske> holy crap! ;)
# [22:23] <anton> what's pgo? and should i be worried if fedora pgo build failed on my commit even though its unrelated to my patch (full log shows an error in ion somewhere)
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> Profile guided optimization
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> And where's that?
# [22:24] <jhammel> anton: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Building_with_Profile-Guided_Optimization
# [22:24] <anton> Ms2ger: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team
# [22:24] <anton> thanks
# [22:24] <@bz> ehsan: I don't know
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> philor? :)
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# [22:25] <@bz> ehsan: you saw the relevant rule, yes?
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# [22:25] <edmorley|away> anton: quicksearch ionbuilder
# [22:25] <@ehsan> bz: if the bindings code wants to pass me an OwningNonNull<T>, what should my native method accept?
# [22:25] <edmorley|away> anton: it's a known intermittent
# [22:25] <@bz> ehsan: T&
# [22:25] <@ehsan> bz: yes, I did :) which is why I have no idea what's going on!
# [22:25] <anton> edmorley|away: ah ok
# [22:25] <@ehsan> bz: ty
# [22:25] <edmorley|away> anton: 820796
# [22:25] <@bz> ehsan: example codegen will answer such things for you. ;)
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# [22:25] <@bz> ehsan: so I have no clue why you see what you see
# [22:26] <anton> edmorley|away: thanks!
# [22:26] <tanvi> NeilAway - not yet. but its on my list. need to fix the regressions and a couple other things first
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# [22:27] <@bz> ehsan: but with any luck all of this will be moot in a week
# [22:27] <@bz> ehsan: because we will have sane working dependency tracking
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# [22:28] <Ms2ger> bz, which example codegen?
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# [22:32] <@bz> Ms2ger: for the bindings
# [22:32] <Ms2ger> bz, in stubgenerator? That doesn't seem to work for me
# [22:33] <jedp> can anyone point me to a way to check network bandwidth from chrome js?
# [22:33] <@bz> Ms2ger: stubgenerator?
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# [22:34] <Waldo> ehsan: I replied to your comments -- the first I think you're wrong about, the second because it's cleaner that way
# [22:34] <@bz> Ms2ger: are we talking about the same thing?
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# [22:35] <Ms2ger> bz, I have no idea!
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> bz, what are you talking about? :)
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# [22:35] <@bz> ms2ger: I'm talking about "make -C $objdir/dom/bindings/FooInterface-example"
# [22:35] <Ms2ger> Oh!
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# [22:36] <Ms2ger> I guess we don't need http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/bindings/stubgenerator/ anymore, then?
# [22:36] <@bz> yeah
# [22:36] <seth> dholbert: ping
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# [22:51] <RyanVM> abr: ping
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# [22:52] <RyanVM> abr: funny story about that Try run...
# [22:52] <abr> Yeah?
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# [22:52] <RyanVM> got a suspicious Fedora64 debug M3 timeout on that push
# [22:52] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=19333369&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [22:54] <abr> Very interesting… let me see if I can figure out what happened there.
# [22:54] <RyanVM> abr: i've got a retrigger going, but I've also got a backout ready to push :)
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# [22:56] <abr> The odd thing is Andrew was testing on an x86_64 platform -- that's the one I would guess is least likely to have this problem arise. :)
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# [23:00] <abr> Unfortunately, there's not enough here for me to figure out for certain what went wrong with that push. Let's see how the retrigger goes.
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# [23:05] <RyanVM> abr: yeah, we'll have to wait and see
# [23:07] <dholbert> seth, delayed-pong, but ping me again in ~20 min -- starting a meeting
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# [23:07] <dholbert> seth, (sorry, only just saw your ping)
# [23:07] <seth> dholbert: k, will do
# [23:07] <seth> no worries
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# [23:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cde4cf36ca7c - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 833208 (part 1) - Remove e4x support from jit-tests. r=jwalden.
# [23:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1606f7f92fb9 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 833208 (part 2) - Remove e4x support from jstests. r=jorendorff.
# [23:10] <njn> \o/
# [23:10] <mccr8> huzzah
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# [23:11] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, any reason not to hide SM's rootanalysis build on try?
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# [23:12] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, hmm, I guess we don't have history for this? :)
# [23:13] <RyanVM> don't know what the story is
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# [23:13] <Saspiron> Where would i begin if i want to develop an application that will be able to have extensions?
# [23:15] <Mossop> Make a XULRunner app, it includes the add-ons manager
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# [23:16] <Saspiron> Thank you
# [23:17] <RyanVM> abr: yep, definitely problematic
# [23:17] <RyanVM> abr: out she goes
# [23:17] <@bz> hmm
# [23:17] <abr> Okay, thanks for the heads-up
# [23:17] <@bz> If I have a header being included indirectly by a C++ file
# [23:17] <Mossop> Saspiron: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XULRunner_tips#Extension_Manager may or may not be up to date
# [23:17] <@bz> how do I tell what the include path was?
# [23:18] <jcranmer> bz: from within the header file?
# [23:18] <firebot> Check-in:
# [23:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14550ec92519 - Jeff Walden - Bug 836438 - Refactor IPC::ParamTraits specializations so that we don't have to manually guard against the possibility of multiple parameter types being the same type.
# [23:18] <firebot> r=ehsan
# [23:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/091c6ec19444 - Jeff Walden - Bug 836438 - Always implement nsresult using an unsigned 32-bit integer type. r=ehsan
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# [23:19] <@bz> oh, nevermind
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# [23:30] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getBuilderHistory.php?name=try_linux64-debug_spidermonkey-rootanalysis
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# [23:30] <philor> though that's only under that name, the name and possibly the OS and debug or opt thrashed around a bit
# [23:31] <philor> but it's aiming to be tier 1, and aiming to only run on pushes that could affect it, despite having rather imperfect aim
# [23:31] <sfink> philor: have you noticed its aim being imperfect recently?
# [23:31] <sfink> I hopefully fixed that, though I haven't checked very well
# [23:32] <philor> sfink: yeah, when I pushed to try last night, and was the first to push some inbound js csets
# [23:32] <philor> structurally imperfect
# [23:32] <sfink> hm, yeah, that should've triggered it
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# [23:33] <philor> I was going to say "it should be visible, because if you trigger it you should have triggered it" but that's not true
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# [23:35] <sfink> philor: which push are you talking about? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&noignore=1&rev=c0780469a864 got it. (Or did you mean it shouldn't have, because you didn't push anything yourself that touched js/src?)
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# [23:37] <philor> sfink: right, the latter - I would say "it should be visible even now when it's still permaorange, because anyone touching js/src should know about it and know about the permaorange and know whether or not they made it worse" except that it runs on people who did nothing other than pull -u
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# [23:37] <sfink> hm, yeah, ok
# [23:38] <sfink> not sure what to do about that
# [23:38] <sfink> silly pushlog
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# [23:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d87607c66190 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 739217 - Follow-up to fix mochitest-1 orange.
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# [23:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e4fc8131668 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 834999 - followup to remove useless dump() r=me a=tef+
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# [23:45] <jlebar> gps: ^?
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# [23:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/50cf5bbcb180 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 834999 - followup to remove useless dump() r=me a=tef+
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# [23:56] <Jesse> smaug: are you offering to help tanvi in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836811#c5 ?
# [23:57] <Jesse> we haven't gotten far with guess-at-testcase or try-loading-urls-from-crash-stats
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# [23:57] <@smaug> Jesse: not really. Just trying to hint that the crash looks like something where one just needs to read code
# [23:58] <tanvi> reading code
# [23:58] <@smaug> :)
# [23:58] <tanvi> but am not close to figuring out what's causing this
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# [23:59] <tanvi> especially because its happening on http pages with no https iframes
# [23:59] <khuey> is the image in the iframe?
# [23:59] <khuey> that is, is it just an ImageDocument?
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