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  1. # Session Start: Sun Feb 03 00:00:00 2013
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  3. # [00:00] <gandalf> or using MO
  4. # [00:00] <gandalf> I'd prefer MO
  5. # [00:00] <@smaug> so what is the problem?
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  206. # [00:00] <gandalf> cause this chunks the work and allows us to localize the nodes before they're injected into DOM
  207. # [00:00] <@smaug> g.m.o went down?
  208. # [00:00] <gandalf> yeah
  209. # [00:01] <gandalf> with DOMContentLoaded we're actually altering the DOM that is already injected
  210. # [00:01] <gandalf> which sucks
  211. # [00:01] <gandalf> but I think the performance of MO was slower for some reason
  212. # [00:01] <@smaug> well, running the MO callback right before any script runs in the page should do effectively the same
  213. # [00:01] <gandalf> and we gave up on this
  214. # [00:01] <gandalf> shouldn't it let us alter the nodes before they're injected?
  215. # [00:01] <@smaug> no
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  217. # [00:01] <@smaug> it notifies about changes which have happened
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  400. # [00:04] <@smaug> gandalf: anyhow, I'll fix Bug 789315 at some point. Probably sooner if l20n needs it :)
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  434. # [00:17] <@smaug> anyone going to watch m-c?
  435. # [00:17] * @smaug could land a patch
  436. # [00:17] <@smaug> or maybe not
  437. # [00:17] <@smaug> yeah, ssh connection doesn't seem to work here
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  441. # [00:27] <WeirdAl> What are the rules for requesting ui-review?
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  443. # [00:28] <@smaug> WeirdAl: I don't think there are any strict rules
  444. # [00:28] <@smaug> and I'm not sure how regularly ui-reviews are handled
  445. # [00:28] <WeirdAl> Do I request it on a mockup or on a patch?
  446. # [00:29] <@smaug> I guess it depends on the case
  447. # [00:29] <WeirdAl> bug 834385
  448. # [00:29] <@smaug> upload both
  449. # [00:30] <WeirdAl> about to upload the patch :)
  450. # [00:30] <WeirdAl> at least, a first pass at one
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  453. # [00:32] <WeirdAl> there we go
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  455. # [00:33] <Callek> philor: I'm closing all trees
  456. # [00:33] <Callek> fyi
  457. # [00:34] <philor> k
  458. # [00:34] <Callek> (mtv1 seems to be offline)
  459. # [00:34] <philor> things in #buildduty do seem to be hopping
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  461. # [00:35] <@smaug> WeirdAl: so random stuff would be loaded from network?
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  463. # [00:35] <WeirdAl> a single URL, in a content iframe
  464. # [00:35] <@smaug> and evil addon could in theory open new windows
  465. # [00:35] <@smaug> and what not
  466. # [00:35] <WeirdAl> yeah, I'm thinking about that and the implications thereof
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  468. # [00:36] <@smaug> it should be something simpler
  469. # [00:36] <WeirdAl> might have to have some way to disable scripting on the iframe - someone mentioned docshell to me
  470. # [00:36] <@smaug> no scripts, no styling
  471. # [00:36] <@smaug> perhaps icon + text?
  472. # [00:36] <WeirdAl> at this point, all suggestions are welcome; this is currently drawing board stuff
  473. # [00:37] <WeirdAl> but please comment to the bug, so others can respond
  474. # [00:37] <@smaug> k
  475. # [00:38] <WeirdAl> it'd be nice if the iframe binding itself had a disallowscripting attribute that was forwarded to the docshell
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  477. # [00:42] <@smaug> WeirdAl: why do you need iframe?
  478. # [00:42] <@smaug> why do you need anything from network
  479. # [00:43] <@smaug> (looks like network in this hotel is bad enough that accessing bugzilla doesn't work)
  480. # [00:43] <WeirdAl> I'm thinking flexibility here on the part of the addon vendor
  481. # [00:44] <@smaug> but what flexibility, what is the use case?
  482. # [00:44] <@smaug> the UI should be consistent, so addon vendors shouldn't be able to style it, IMO
  483. # [00:44] * @smaug is not an ui-reviewer, obviously :)
  484. # [00:45] <WeirdAl> well, this is the place where a vendor can make their last pitch to the user
  485. # [00:45] <WeirdAl> that's the main reason for this
  486. # [00:46] <@smaug> but it should be very neutral
  487. # [00:46] <@smaug> no html videos
  488. # [00:46] <@smaug> no <blink>
  489. # [00:47] <@smaug> no videos encoded to animated images
  490. # [00:47] <@smaug> it would be odd to see ad-like things during addon installation
  491. # [00:47] <WeirdAl> personally, I would think stuff like that should be spelled out in policies before we spell it out in code :)
  492. # [00:49] <@smaug> policies rarely work
  493. # [00:49] <@smaug> as we've seen with ContentPolicy API ;)
  494. # [00:49] <WeirdAl> please, don't rub it in... we fixed the Avira crash
  495. # [00:50] <@smaug> WeirdAl: you asked for that comment ;)
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  497. # [00:50] <@smaug> WeirdAl: but in general, I like the idea that addon vendor could have a message in the installation
  498. # [00:50] * WeirdAl nods
  499. # [00:51] <WeirdAl> we just need to figure out the right way to do so
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  503. # [00:54] <Callek> philor: basing on nagios and the fact that none of the first 7 foopies i touched, since netops told me we were clear, had a single visible issue, I'm declaring good -- ping if you see any oddities
  504. # [00:54] <philor> k
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  514. # [01:08] <WeirdAl> hm, I wonder if this file URL crash reported on /. happens in Firefox on Mac Mountain Lion.
  515. # [01:08] * WeirdAl has Snow Leopard, so he can't test
  516. # [01:10] <@smaug> I
  517. # [01:10] <@smaug> I'd be surprised if it happens on FF
  518. # [01:11] <@smaug> FF handles schemes by itself
  519. # [01:11] <Mook> bug 834385
  520. # [01:11] <Mook> err, that's not the address bar. sorrry.
  521. # [01:11] <@smaug> Mook: there is a bug open about File:/// ?
  522. # [01:12] <@smaug> and FF does crash?
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  524. # [01:12] <Mook> no, that's the addon message stuff
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  526. # [01:13] <Mook> I think File:// was "no crash", if I remember correctly
  527. # [01:13] <@smaug> oh, hmm, "I tried it for myself with Google Chrome and Firefox and File:/// does crash the software"
  528. # [01:13] <@smaug> from /.
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  530. # [01:13] <WeirdAl> and yet, smaug, on the linked-to- article, the comment says it doesn't
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  534. # [01:17] <Mook> The newaddon stuff reminds me of the whitelisted tags the update billboard supports. or at least, used to...
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  545. # [01:26] <nrc> Anyone seen a build error like "undefined reference to 'mozilla::RefCounted<Zip>::dead'"?
  546. # [01:26] <nrc> building for Android on Linux, same setup as worked fine a few days ago
  547. # [01:27] <nrc> no problem building for desktop
  548. # [01:28] <nrc> I think RefCounted is being confused by Android and Mozilla versions
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  573. # [01:54] <@bz> riddle me this
  574. # [01:55] <@bz> I have way more review requests now than I did last night.
  575. # [01:55] <@bz> Why? :(
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  634. # [03:01] <Callek> philor: T minus 2 minutes until expected tree closure for TBPL planned downtime
  635. # [03:01] <Callek> expected few seconds of downtime, max alotted 10 min
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  644. # [03:13] <froydnj> fantastic, I think my blog post might have gotten eaten by the downtime :(
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  649. # [03:23] <philor> not going quite as expected, I fear
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  655. # [03:26] <Callek> philor: yea I just gently poked
  656. # [03:27] <Callek> I'll ping you and say in channel when we're clear
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  658. # [03:28] <Callek> philor: TBPL is back up properly, tree's reoppened
  659. # [03:29] <philor> sweet
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  664. # [03:33] <Callek> philor: hey, um, how long as Android 4.0 mochi been hidden on m-c?
  665. # [03:34] <Callek> I distinctly (think I) remember that being green at one point, so not sure when we decided to hide, or why
  666. # [03:34] <Callek> nor do I remember bugs on the issue
  667. # [03:34] <philor> doesn't look hid… oh, 1 and 3?
  668. # [03:34] <Callek> three is shown on cen, but 1 isn't
  669. # [03:35] <philor> math is hard
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  672. # [03:35] <Callek> p.s. thought I said mochi 1 in my first question :-)
  673. # [03:36] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getBuilderHistory.php?name=mozilla-central_panda_android_test-mochitest-1
  674. # [03:37] <philor> so the literal answer is "since 17:22:48 GMT on 14 December 2012"
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  678. # [03:38] <Callek> ahh thanks, and if joel hid it I won't argue much and go to him
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  682. # [03:38] <Callek> p.s. would love, really really love if there was a way to get the history nicer than that, before TBPL v2
  683. # [03:39] <philor> oh, webgl, the root bug would be something about "set up a teeny tiny set of webgl tests to run on android, because it sucks goats, and not the nice clean ones"
  684. # [03:39] <philor> and conveniently, tbpl is open source!
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  687. # [03:41] <Jesse> there's a "TBPL 2"?
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  689. # [03:42] <philor> there's architecture being astronauted for tbpl2
  690. # [03:43] <Mavericks> philor: doc for it ?
  691. # [03:43] <philor> plus it's the tagline to any mention of any missing feature or bug, as always for rewrites of any tool
  692. # [03:43] <philor> Mavericks: probably!
  693. # [03:44] <jcranmer> all I get when I search for tbpl2 is something about a gene
  694. # [03:44] <philor> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/TBPL2
  695. # [03:44] <philor> there's not just a doc, apparently there are meetings!
  696. # [03:45] <Mavericks> ye waht jcranmer said , or tbpl2 design doc. links above helps. just a glimpse into it
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  698. # [03:45] <Mavericks> *gives a good glimpse or might be more hmm
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  702. # [03:52] <Jesse> bsmedberg: i'm not authorized to access https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754409 either
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  733. # [04:30] <sankha93> !seen mak
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  744. # [04:40] <nrc> are these the most up to date docs we have on cross compiling Firefox? (2002) https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Cross-Compiling_Mozilla
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  756. # [04:55] <jcranmer> I wouldn't be surprised
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  760. # [04:57] <nrc> well, if they still work then I guess that is OK, otherwise, sad faces all round
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  884. # [07:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6474019340d3 - Mike Hommey - Bug 835309 - Fix JarFileReader.readlines() and make flake8 happier. r=gps
  885. # [07:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d949c8ee39da - Mike Hommey - Bug 835309 - Look at .xpi file contents when unifying them for universal builds. r=gps
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  888. # [07:28] <darkowlzz> hi, I installed mozmill just now. I found that mozmill inspector doesn't work when I press Start button.
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  890. # [07:29] <darkowlzz> mozmill 1.5.19
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  903. # [07:46] <mbrubeck> darkowlzz: I would try asking in #ateam, though you might need to wait until whimboo|afk or some other mozmill person is around.
  904. # [07:48] <darkowlzz> mbrubeck, let's not get to whimboo till monday. He is at the conference.
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  1110. # [12:31] <Ms2ger> A DOM spec generator? I'd like to have that...
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  1112. # [12:31] * @smaug hates the word polyfill :)
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  1115. # [12:31] <Ms2ger> Prefer prolyfill?
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  1117. # [12:32] <@smaug> I doubt
  1118. # [12:33] <@smaug> btw, I recommend not to drop your laptop bag when you have charger in it. The charger may change the shape of your laptop
  1119. # [12:33] <Ms2ger> Oops
  1120. # [12:33] <@smaug> (good that I've used this laptop already 5 days)
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  1122. # [12:33] <@smaug> well, I guess I personalized this one
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  1126. # [12:44] <darktrojan> I feel so three years ago
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  1129. # [12:48] <Ms2ger> Workers? That's bent's employment security, no?
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  1133. # [12:50] <Ms2ger> UA strings!
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  1149. # [13:07] <Ms2ger> It's a bird, it's a plane?
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  1153. # [13:11] <Yoric> darktrojan: Welcome to the new and exciting world of multithreading.
  1154. # [13:12] <darktrojan> why thank you
  1155. # [13:13] <darktrojan> I think
  1156. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> I think not :)
  1157. # [13:13] <@smaug> whimboo|afk: you're clearly not afk
  1158. # [13:14] <@smaug> whimboo|afk: so is GC still bad with jenkins
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  1160. # [13:14] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, therefore you are not
  1161. # [13:14] <Ms2ger> :)
  1162. # [13:15] <Ms2ger> Depends on which keyboard whimboo|afk is away from
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  1170. # [13:22] <whimboo> smaug: i was not online, sorry
  1171. # [13:22] <whimboo> smaug: i don't have it in my running instance at the moment
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  1174. # [13:23] <@smaug> whimboo: but do you recall seeing huge GC pauses lately
  1175. # [13:23] <whimboo> but yes, we have dozen of MB as orphaned objects in about:memory
  1176. # [13:23] <@smaug> or is it more about memory usage
  1177. # [13:23] <whimboo> smaug: more memory usage I think
  1178. # [13:23] <@smaug> k
  1179. # [13:23] <@smaug> that is what I expected
  1180. # [13:23] <whimboo> smaug: large pauses are most likely realted to bug 829047
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  1182. # [13:24] <@smaug> well, if there is lots of JS stuff alive, GC might cause pauses occasionally, but incremental GC should have helped
  1183. # [13:24] <Ms2ger> Wow, a working mac
  1184. # [13:24] * Ms2ger waves at gandalf
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  1186. # [13:25] <whimboo> smaug: nope. i don't think it's working on my mac
  1187. # [13:25] <whimboo> Ms2ger: heh. not for me
  1188. # [13:25] <whimboo> tha'ts why i finally switch back now
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  1190. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> As tristan said, never use a mac
  1191. # [13:26] <Ms2ger> Morning, bz
  1192. # [13:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fcaec51a3472 - Jonathan Kew - bug 822266 - refresh backing scale factors after swapping frameloader contents, in case device resolutions differ. r=bz
  1193. # [13:27] <@smaug> is bz already in London
  1194. # [13:27] <Ms2ger> Either that, up early, or just connection automatically
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  1196. # [13:28] <@smaug> and what is the plan for kidnapping. Ms2ger, you obviously don't have anything to do around here next week, so you can come to London :p
  1197. # [13:28] <Ms2ger> Why did you think I skipped dinner yesterday? :)
  1198. # [13:29] <Ms2ger> I don't trust khuey near my food
  1199. # [13:29] <whimboo> smaug: look like i missed to add the comment on thejenkins bug about the gc/cc log location. I'm sorry
  1200. # [13:29] <whimboo> did it now
  1201. # [13:31] <@smaug> I thought you gave those to me in some form...maybe on irc
  1202. # [13:32] <whimboo> smaug: might be. too many bugs to remember everything
  1203. # [13:32] <whimboo> smaug: but yeah. you was in a hurry and i handed it to you via irc but forgot to comment:)
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  1236. # [14:22] <@smaug> hmm, khuey is somewhere..
  1237. # [14:23] <@smaug> but not in this room
  1238. # [14:23] <@smaug> khuey: could you explain Codegen.py a bit to me at some point
  1239. # [14:24] * @smaug thinks he will copy paste some of CGExampleClass handling to generate bindings for events
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  1253. # [14:37] * Ms2ger didn't know kaze was into ducks
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  1255. # [14:39] <Ms2ger> smaug, I don't think pinging khuey will help much, his laptop is next to me :)
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  1257. # [14:39] <@smaug> I hope he hasn't found any cheese store
  1258. # [14:43] * capella|zZzZz is now known as capella
  1259. # [14:44] <Ms2ger> Morning, capella
  1260. # [14:44] <capella> ms2ger: Hola !
  1261. # [14:45] <capella> Is it football yet?
  1262. # [14:45] <Ms2ger> Nah, just another l10n talk
  1263. # [14:46] <capella> Oh, heh - saw some of that yesterday
  1264. # [14:46] <Ms2ger> Ah, there we have khuey
  1265. # [14:47] <khuey> smaug: it's a python script, it generates code
  1266. # [14:47] <khuey> what more do you expect? ;-)
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  1268. # [14:48] <Ms2ger> Does that slide really say conneg?
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  1270. # [14:50] <@smaug> khuey: sanity ;)
  1271. # [14:51] <@smaug> khuey: but really, perhaps just some information how it handles various types
  1272. # [14:51] <@smaug> but I'll read the Example codegen first
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  1276. # [15:02] <Optimizer> smaug: the rendering bug that u weremetnioning
  1277. # [15:03] <Optimizer> this site is also getting that : http://www.brandonsavage.net/successfully-selling-your-own-products/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=successfully-selling-your-own-products
  1278. # [15:03] <@smaug> looking
  1279. # [15:04] <@smaug> loading slowly here...
  1280. # [15:04] <Optimizer> just scroll a bit. The bakcground will remain stationary, but the painted area will change as you scroll
  1281. # [15:05] <Optimizer> the initial off window part always being white .
  1282. # [15:06] <@smaug> still loading...
  1283. # [15:06] <Optimizer> bookmyshow.com too
  1284. # [15:07] <Optimizer> and both sites have full height backgrounds in chrome
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  1286. # [15:07] <@smaug> anyhow, I didn't file a bug
  1287. # [15:07] <@smaug> Optimizer: could you perhaps file
  1288. # [15:07] <@smaug> network connection is bad here
  1289. # [15:07] <Optimizer> okay
  1290. # [15:07] <@smaug> cc me
  1291. # [15:08] <@smaug> I'd guess it is about gfx
  1292. # [15:08] <Optimizer> what site was that on which u saw ?
  1293. # [15:08] <@smaug> http://www.bonsoirclara.com/en/menu-en
  1294. # [15:08] <Optimizer> anything recent landed related to gcli ?
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  1296. # [15:08] <Optimizer> because u saw on linux, and i on windows .. so I am wondering that its not gfx
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  1298. # [15:08] <Optimizer> sorry dlbi not gcli
  1299. # [15:08] <Optimizer> :|
  1300. # [15:09] <@smaug> don't remember
  1301. # [15:09] <@smaug> but you might want to CC mattwoodrow
  1302. # [15:09] * Optimizer how could i mix it up :|
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  1304. # [15:09] <Optimizer> okay.
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  1306. # [15:10] <Optimizer> wow , a bug already exists
  1307. # [15:10] <Optimizer> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8999
  1308. # [15:10] <Optimizer> want to reopen it but ... :P
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  1310. # [15:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94ff3af8d554 - Robert Longson - Bug 837450 - Leak with getTransformToElement. r=jwatt
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  1314. # [15:14] <Optimizer> On a different note.. I am ready for Zombie apocalypse ... Are you ? : https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/46793_10151212637262397_926703992_n.jpg
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  1317. # [15:20] * @smaug wouldn't call whatwg so slow
  1318. # [15:20] <nigelb> "slow" is too fast?
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  1327. # [15:27] <Optimizer> anybody seen this ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837486
  1328. # [15:27] <Optimizer> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=709469 to be precise.
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  1339. # [15:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/31268d71c33c - Olli Pettay - Bug 833143 - Don't GC in nsXREDirProvider::DoShutdown, r=bsmedberg,billm
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  1350. # [15:52] <Ms2ger> smaug, someone said something about whatwg earlier?
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  1352. # [15:52] <@smaug> Ms2ger: padenot complained about slowness of standardization
  1353. # [15:53] <@smaug> W3C can be slow, but quite often whatwg isn't
  1354. # [15:53] <Ms2ger> Too fast, clearly :)
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  1356. # [15:55] <Ms2ger> I was amazed by the part of the LibreOffice talk where they loved tinderbox :)
  1357. # [15:55] <@smaug> the old tbox?
  1358. # [15:55] * whimboo is now known as whimboo|afk
  1359. # [15:55] <mounir> smaug: yes
  1360. # [15:55] <Ms2ger> Looked an awful lot like the waterfall, at least
  1361. # [15:55] <mounir> at least, they said "tinderbox"
  1362. # [15:55] <mounir> without details
  1363. # [15:56] * mounir wonders where Ms2ger is
  1364. # [15:56] <Ms2ger> I headed back to the devroom
  1365. # [15:56] <padenot> mounir: bring nical along
  1366. # [15:57] <padenot> and waffels
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  1368. # [15:57] * Ms2ger approves of waffles
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  1370. # [15:58] <mounir> na
  1371. # [15:58] <mounir> there is a Gnome talk now
  1372. # [15:59] <mounir> "Has the GNOME community gone crazy?"
  1373. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> Probably!
  1374. # [15:59] <mounir> can't be bad, *must* be good :D
  1375. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> When are the DOM guys heading out, btw?
  1376. # [16:00] <@smaug> I'm heading back to the hotel real soon
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  1378. # [16:00] <mounir> Ms2ger: I might leave soon after the Gnome talk
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  1380. # [16:01] <mounir> I don't know about the DOM team
  1381. # [16:01] <@smaug> did jst say 16:40 bus ..
  1382. # [16:01] <@smaug> but I like trams
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  1387. # [16:05] <mounir> if you guys also have the 19.00 train, that's damn early
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  1389. # [16:06] <Ms2ger> They have to get back to the hotel to get their bags, aiui
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  1395. # [16:09] <mounir> oh, that sounds saner
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  1405. # [16:12] <bz_away> All the cool DOM people are in London already, I say. ;)
  1406. # [16:13] <mounir> bz_away: no, the cool DOM people live in London ;)
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  1408. # [16:17] <Ms2ger> bz_away, pah, we're all here ;)
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  1412. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> mounir, so, has it gone crazy? :)
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  1418. # [16:26] * Ms2ger will be leaving in about an hour, fwiw
  1419. # [16:30] <NeilAway> well, it's not hard to get from FOSDEM to London
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  1426. # [16:43] <mounir> Ms2ger: not really
  1427. # [16:44] <Ms2ger> Oh crap, I forgot to harass sicking and khuey about my review requests
  1428. # [16:44] <derf> You have 5 minutes before they get on a bus to go to a train.
  1429. # [16:44] <Ms2ger> Meh
  1430. # [16:44] <Ms2ger> mounir, you do it, please?
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  1432. # [16:46] <bz_away> I'll poke them for you
  1433. # [16:46] <bz_away> send me an email reminder?
  1434. # [16:47] <mounir> Ms2ger: I will try to do that
  1435. # [16:47] <Ms2ger> Thanks guys :)
  1436. # [16:47] <mounir> sicking owes me reviews
  1437. # [16:48] * Ms2ger wonders if there are people sicking doesn't own reviews to
  1438. # [16:48] <bz_away> me
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  1441. # [16:48] <bz_away> I stopped asking him. ;)
  1442. # [16:48] * bz_away off to portrait gallery
  1443. # [16:48] * Ms2ger waves
  1444. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> Hi smaug, liked the tram? :)
  1445. # [16:49] <@smaug> yup
  1446. # [16:49] <@smaug> better than rain
  1447. # [16:50] <Ms2ger> Ugh, is it raining?
  1448. # [16:50] <@smaug> also, coffee is good
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  1458. # [17:05] <Ms2ger> Bye all!
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  1460. # [17:07] <@smaug> uh, oranges
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  1524. # [18:46] <firebot> lucasr was last seen 2 days, 20 hours, 9 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying 'sriram, excellent :-)' in #mobile.
  1525. # [18:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f21061637d5 - Mike Hommey - Bug 836218 - Always copy files instead of skipping when destination is newer when doing l10n-repacks. r=ted
  1526. # [18:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/31268d71c33c - Olli Pettay - Bug 833143 - Don't GC in nsXREDirProvider::DoShutdown, r=bsmedberg,billm
  1527. # [18:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6474019340d3 - Mike Hommey - Bug 835309 - Fix JarFileReader.readlines() and make flake8 happier. r=gps
  1528. # [18:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db8ec0f3badf - Ehsan Akhgari - Merge mozilla-central into mozilla-inbound
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  1561. # [19:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/476af8f75f28 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 837416 - Part 2: Move HTMLStyleElement to Web IDL bindings; r=bzbarsky
  1562. # [19:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/428b29658d07 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 837416 - Part 1: Rename nsHTMLStyleElement to mozilla::dom::HTMLStyleElement; r=bzbarsky
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  1572. # [19:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec019c0fc63a - Till Schneidereit - Bug 810715 - De-lazify a JSFunction's script before querying its ndefaults value. r=luke
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  1580. # [20:05] <jesup|mac> ehsan: ping
  1581. # [20:05] <jesup|mac> !seen ehsan
  1582. # [20:05] <firebot> ehsan was last seen 1 day, 19 hours, 29 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying 'Mossop: \o/' in #developers.
  1583. # [20:05] <@ehsan> jesup|mac: hi
  1584. # [20:05] * Ms2ger waves at ehsan
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  1587. # [20:05] <jesup|mac> Hey - I just noticed nfroyd said you fixed the poisoning issue with "a no-bug commit"
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  1590. # [20:07] <@ehsan> jesup|mac: what poisoning issue?
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  1593. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> The one where I accidentally poisoned his drink?
  1594. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> I said I was sorry about that, it was intended for khuey
  1595. # [20:08] <@ehsan> heh
  1596. # [20:08] <jesup|mac> I'm seeing poisoning assertions on Mac shutdown (which had gone away, and seem to suddenly be back). Bug 794178
  1597. # [20:09] <jesup|mac> froydnj: ping
  1598. # [20:09] <Ms2ger> Also, looks like I managed not to get kidnapped \o/
  1599. # [20:09] <@ehsan> jesup|mac: I don't remember... but that sounds like something I would do
  1600. # [20:09] <jesup|mac> Ms2ger: don't worry, the special agents are closing in ;-)
  1601. # [20:10] <Ms2ger> Crap, I should've known
  1602. # [20:10] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: that's what the kidnappers want you to think
  1603. # [20:10] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, you can just say khuey, I know it's him ;)
  1604. # [20:11] <jesup|mac> ehsan: getting a stack trace now
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  1606. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> I can see why jst didn't expand on https://twitter.com/jstenback/status/298012009771958273 ...
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  1618. # [20:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f24905861be5 - Chris Pearce - Bug 703135 - Disable optimizations in oc_huff_tree_collapse when building with MSVC2012 and later to avoid crash due to compiler bug. r=derf
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  1620. # [20:17] <glandium> philor: looks like it is
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  1624. # [20:23] <Ms2ger> ehsan, hey, don't forget to update https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Paris-nodes ;)
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  1626. # [20:24] <@ehsan> what's that?!
  1627. # [20:24] <Ms2ger> It's an etherpad!
  1628. # [20:24] <Ms2ger> Sorry, sitting next to khuey for two days is bad for my sense of humour
  1629. # [20:25] <@ehsan> I wanted to do textarea too today, but I need to run now
  1630. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> Don't worry, nobody will take it ;)
  1631. # [20:26] <@ehsan> yeah that's not a small interface!
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  1638. # [20:32] <jesup|mac> ehsan: sorry for the delay: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2111779
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  1641. # [20:34] <jesup|mac> ehsan: Aha. frame 7 - I enabled DOMLeak logging
  1642. # [20:34] <froydnj> jesup|mac: pong?
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  1644. # [20:34] <@ehsan> jesup|mac: I'm still not sure what you're asking
  1645. # [20:35] <jesup|mac> froydnj: the MacPoisonWrite thing with logging
  1646. # [20:35] <jesup|mac> froydnj: in bug 794178 you indicated ehsan "fixed it with a no-bug checkin"
  1647. # [20:35] <jesup|mac> I just got bit by it when enable
  1648. # [20:36] <jesup|mac> I just got bit by it when enabling DOMLeak logging
  1649. # [20:36] <froydnj> jesup|mac: hm, the bit I was referring to was https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8755061452d9
  1650. # [20:36] <jesup|mac> (now verified it has nothing to do with webrtc, it's DOMLeak logging that happens after the poison barrier goes down)
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  1652. # [20:37] <froydnj> I know mccr8 was complaining about CC logging tripping write poisoning
  1653. # [20:37] <froydnj> what is DOMLeak logging?
  1654. # [20:37] <@ehsan> yeah that commit doesn't fix all of the NSPR logging problems, I don't think ;)
  1655. # [20:37] <@ehsan> perhaps we should just reopen that bug
  1656. # [20:38] <jesup|mac> Apparently not. Please reopen
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  1659. # [20:39] <jesup|mac> ehsan, froydnj thanks
  1660. # [20:39] * jesup|mac Phew!
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  1662. # [20:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d7232646d12 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 837416 follow-up: don't throw success
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  1664. # [20:43] <ErvisTusha> :)
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  1667. # [20:51] <barzogh> hi all , i'm a long-time contributor of Mozilla on the MCS team and also a reps and sumo rep... i'd like to contribute more on coding aspects using python and/or Shell. can someone tell me to whom should i speak please ?
  1668. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> Try whatcanidoformozilla.org :)
  1669. # [20:53] <Yoric> barzogh: You should take a look at http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/?py=1&unowned=1
  1670. # [20:55] <barzogh> thanks :)
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  1672. # [20:59] <glandium> these thalys trains are really not reliable
  1673. # [21:00] <Ms2ger> At least they aren't Italian...
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  1675. # [21:01] <glandium> what do italian trains have?
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  1678. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> They don't like the cold
  1679. # [21:01] <Ms2ger> Parts drop off and things like that
  1680. # [21:03] <glandium> looks like that's what happened to this thalys
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  1689. # [21:13] <Optimizer> Atleast they both are not Indian!
  1690. # [21:13] <Ms2ger> Hey, then we could travel on top of them ;)
  1691. # [21:13] <glandium> Optimizer: erf
  1692. # [21:14] <Optimizer> Ms2ger: only if its not electric :P
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  1700. # [21:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e2cb5c5978fd - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out 3 changesets (bug 837416) because of test failures
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  1708. # [21:32] <philor> nice situation, there's a bunch of stuff that could be merged m-i -> m-c, but I'm counting the security bugs and not liking the amount of hassle marking things fixed
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  1712. # [21:37] <Ms2ger> philor, I'm happy to ping the security buggers if you want
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  1715. # [21:38] <philor> added 89 changesets with 1200 changes to 1093 files, somebody was busy
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  1717. # [21:38] <Ms2ger> e4x?
  1718. # [21:39] <Ms2ger> No, that landed already
  1719. # [21:39] <philor> yeah
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  1722. # [21:42] <philor> turned out 827150 was the only inaccessible one
  1723. # [21:43] <Optimizer> if a bug is inaccessible to even the landing guys, then who lands it ?
  1724. # [21:44] <philor> edmorley and RyanVM are both in s-g, I'm pretty much the only one who does merges who is not
  1725. # [21:44] <Ms2ger> philor, want me to, then, or will you?
  1726. # [21:44] <Ms2ger> Hey, I do a merge occasionally :)
  1727. # [21:45] <philor> true
  1728. # [21:45] <Optimizer> merging people are limited ? typically L3 people should be able to merge... right ?
  1729. # [21:46] <Ms2ger> Yeah, L3 access is enough to merge
  1730. # [21:46] <Ms2ger> But afterwards, you need to comment on all the bugs you merged
  1731. # [21:46] * philor curses the CLOBBER
  1732. # [21:46] <Optimizer> and change status .. and target version .. and what not
  1733. # [21:47] <Ms2ger> Yep
  1734. # [21:47] <philor> I thought jetpack had already merged, teach me not to actually read what I'm doing
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  1737. # [21:52] <aleth> Is there a way to open a window minimized from the start, to avoid the flicker of opening it and then minimizing it?
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  1740. # [21:53] <Optimizer> open it in background ?
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  1742. # [21:54] <aleth> Optimizer: What do you mean by that exactly?
  1743. # [21:54] <Optimizer> behind one window
  1744. # [21:54] <Optimizer> the main one (if there is one)
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  1746. # [21:55] <aleth> That seems a bit hackish. Is there no better way?
  1747. # [21:55] <Optimizer> no idea
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  1790. # [22:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d1e42a7a1ad3 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 829035. Reduce pixman bilinear precision to match upstream.
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  1794. # [22:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/baa19c2db2af - Glenna Buford - Bug 837013: Removed virtual keyword from methods that are unnecessarily virtual in nsTableFrame. r=dholbert
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  1804. # [23:08] * philor pats mozilla-esr17
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  1806. # [23:09] <philor> nothing like a tree without android and b2g, to give you an all-green with an all-green nightly
  1807. # [23:09] <IanN> quick, make some b2g buildbots for mozilla-esr17
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  1815. # [23:21] <bbondy> anyone else having trouble accessing http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
  1816. # [23:21] <bbondy> ?
  1817. # [23:21] <bbondy> status says that it's up, but it just loads forever from any browser I use
  1818. # [23:21] <Optimizer> wfm
  1819. # [23:22] <bbondy> k thx
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  1821. # [23:25] <glandium> nrc: pong
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  1823. # [23:26] <nrc> hi glandium, bug 834769 seems to have broken Android builds for some of us, for some reason the dead variable is not seen by gcc. Any idea why?
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  1825. # [23:28] <nrc> Maybe static const int is not automatically initialised in template classes?
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  1831. # [23:37] <glandium> nrc: it's pretty crazy that it's not inlining the constant
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  1834. # [23:40] <nrc> it only exists for debug builds, so I don't think it would inline there. Also, the error is in type checking, not code gen, so even if it did inline, it would still make an error
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  1848. # [23:47] <nrc> also, now that we're not using a negative number for the destroyed sentinel, would it make sense to make refCnt unsigned?
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  1852. # [23:50] <glandium> nrc: debug builds are optimized by default
  1853. # [23:50] <glandium> nrc: the error is at linkage time
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  1856. # [23:51] <nrc> ah, sorry I meant *my* debug which is disable optimise, I think that is not uncommon for others too
  1857. # [23:52] <nrc> an yes, of course, you are right about link time
  1858. # [23:52] <nrc> *and
  1859. # [23:52] <nrc> that would probably explain why it is not an error for the build bots but is for people doing local builds
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  1861. # [23:53] <peregrino> Do anyone know how do I build firefox on Snow Leopard now?
  1862. # [23:53] <peregrino> it's been a few months since last time I tried, and now it seems the gcc I have is unsupported
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  1865. # [23:56] <Jesse> peregrino: you should proabably update your OS to one that still gets security patches...
  1866. # [23:56] <Jesse> peregrino: or you could try installing clang
  1867. # [23:57] <peregrino> Jesse: heh, I supposed you'd say so. Not very willing to leave 10.6 though
  1868. # [23:57] <peregrino> Jesse: and it seems I have cland
  1869. # [23:57] <peregrino> *clang
  1870. # [23:57] <peregrino> Apple clang version 1.7 (tags/Apple/clang-77) (based on LLVM 2.9svn)
  1871. # [23:58] <nthomas> *modern clang
  1872. # [23:58] <nthomas> ie v3.2
  1873. # [23:58] <peregrino> cool
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  1876. # [23:59] <peregrino> ok, so I have to update either the OS or the entire build tools I have
  1877. # [23:59] <peregrino> not something to do on a not-so-reliable connection :)
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