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  12. # [00:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4404b9b0d6ab - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 821224 - Remove a bitmap recycle that was causing crashes. r=cpeterson
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  16. # [00:09] <we11ington> So, I'm trying to draw a canvas in the stack in front of a document. For reasons unknown, it doesn't show up (or is maybe behind) on regular documents, but works as expected on synthetic documents. Does anybody have any pointers?
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  19. # [00:10] <chrisccoulson> marco, you around?
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  26. # [00:12] <marco> chrisccoulson: pong
  27. # [00:13] <chrisccoulson> hi marco. did you ping me yesterday evening?
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  33. # [00:14] <marco> chrisccoulson: yes, I was experiencing a problem building Firefox on Ubuntu
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  35. # [00:14] <chrisccoulson> marco, on 13.04?
  36. # [00:14] <marco> I was wondering if you were experiencing the issue too
  37. # [00:14] <marco> yeah, I've found the cause
  38. # [00:14] <marco> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837631
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  40. # [00:15] <chrisccoulson> marco, yeah, i hit that already :)
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  43. # [00:16] <marco> chrisccoulson: ok :), I've opened a bug on launchpad too (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/1115466)
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  47. # [00:17] <chrisccoulson> marco, thanks
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  91. # [00:19] <we11ington> Are elements with position: relative somewhere else on the browser stack?
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  112. # [00:22] <mbrubeck> we11ington: taking a look...
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  114. # [00:22] <we11ington> mbrubeck: I'm trying to draw a canvas in front of the content page, but I'm ending up with this canvas only showing up through position: relative elements
  115. # [00:23] <we11ington> mbrubeck: This is basically how I did it: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/devtools/inspector/Highlighter.jsm#125
  116. # [00:23] <we11ington> It works dandy for ImageDocuments, nothing else
  117. # [00:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f0d67d3d1db - Mark Hammond - Bug 837578 - stop preprocessing Social.jsm and MozSocialAPI.jsm. r=gavin
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  134. # [00:26] <mbrubeck> we11ington: So, you are basically doing browser.parentNode.insertBefore(someCanvas, browser.parentNode.childNodes[1])?
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  138. # [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/12cbe5187dc9 - Josh Matthews - Bug 829360 - Keep non-browser windows from extending the lifetime of the private session. r=bz
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  140. # [00:27] <we11ington> Yeah
  141. # [00:28] <we11ington> Something to that effect
  142. # [00:28] <we11ington> mbrubeck: ^
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  145. # [00:28] <mbrubeck> we11ington: seems like it could go wrong if the <stack> doesn't have the expected number of children, or if the <browser> isn't the first child.
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  147. # [00:29] <mbrubeck> Have you tried printing out the number of childNodes in the stack?
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  149. # [00:29] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Haven't tried that yet, I'll do that now
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  154. # [00:31] <mbrubeck> <xul:stack> is becoming my bête noire, as I'm dealing with similar code in Metrofox...
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  159. # [00:32] <we11ington> mbrubeck: As it happens, it appears that there's always 1 child node
  160. # [00:32] <mbrubeck> so childNodes[1] will be undefined... what does insertBefore do in that case?
  161. # [00:32] <we11ington> Heck if I know :D
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  163. # [00:32] <we11ington> But it worked for ImageDocuments without error
  164. # [00:33] <we11ington> So I would assume that it appends it
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  167. # [00:33] <mbrubeck> Yeah, looks like it does
  168. # [00:34] <mbrubeck> umm
  169. # [00:34] <we11ington> I don't get why it would be different
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  172. # [00:34] <fabrice> mbrubeck: why don't you go the b2g way on metro and use html for all the UI?
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  176. # [00:35] <mbrubeck> fabrice: very tempting
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  179. # [00:36] <fabrice> mbrubeck: you really should give it a try
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  183. # [00:36] <mbrubeck> fabrice: My team does not want to throw out and rewrite too much UI... but we are pushing toward more HTML and less XUL for any new stuff we do.
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  186. # [00:36] <we11ington> mbrubeck: In what order does this stack get drawn?
  187. # [00:37] <we11ington> Top to bottom or bottom to top?
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  192. # [00:37] <we11ington> (TtB would mean the bottom element on the stack would be in front of everything)
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  198. # [00:37] <mbrubeck> we11ington: Top to bottom... the last element in the stack is in front.
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  203. # [00:38] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Okay. I tried appendChild() and even that didn't work.
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  206. # [00:38] <we11ington> I don't get it…Highlighter did this same thing
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  211. # [00:38] <mbrubeck> we11ington: You could try printing out the coordinates from myCanvas.getBoundingClientRect to make sure it's in the place you expect it to be... and make sure it is not all-transparent or something.
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  215. # [00:39] <mbrubeck> maybe replace it with just a <box style="background: red"> for testing
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  218. # [00:39] <nemo> grrrr. sooo hope webkit bastards revert their decision to break:
  219. # [00:39] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase320.xhtml
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  225. # [00:40] <nemo> this is a stripped down version of a lil' site where hovering on items in the footer laid 'em out in the top section. only. surprise! didn't work anymore.
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  229. # [00:41] <nemo> actually... hrm. wasn't it Hixie's idea? :-p
  230. # [00:41] <nemo> Hixie: or did you just do the demo?
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  233. # [00:41] <Hixie> what's this?
  234. # [00:41] <nemo> http://updates.html5rocks.com/2012/09/Stacking-Changes-Coming-to-position-fixed-elements
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  238. # [00:42] <nemo> "Credit for the genesis of this example goes to the inimitable hixie. "
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  240. # [00:42] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Yep, it's 0 left, 65 top.
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  242. # [00:42] <Hixie> nemo: beats me
  243. # [00:42] <we11ington> Why on Earth would it render correctly through position: relative elements but nothing else? That does not make sense
  244. # [00:42] <we11ington> And why does Highlighter work right?
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  248. # [00:45] <mbrubeck> I notices that highlighter has position:absolute on its contents - http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/highlighter.css#5
  249. # [00:45] <reuben> firebot, uuid
  250. # [00:45] <firebot> 060df968-fd71-47ca-91a8-6b64dadceb2c (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
  251. # [00:46] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Worth a shot, will try it
  252. # [00:47] <mbrubeck> we11ington: What do you mean about the position:relative elements? Do you mean that you can see your canvas if it's in front of web content with position:relative? (That would be pretty surprising to me)
  253. # [00:47] <we11ington> mbrubeck: I can see through elements with position:relative like they're little windows
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  256. # [00:47] <we11ington> And the canvas behind those little windows is behaving as expected
  257. # [00:47] <we11ington> (Think the glass, simpleton meaning of the word "window")
  258. # [00:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ce064030396 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 823094 - Test invalid permissions loading. r=sicking
  259. # [00:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf0e172390b7 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 823175 - Add a method to return the next sub domain of a given host in nsIEffectiveTLDService. r=bz
  260. # [00:48] <we11ington> (Not the software way)
  261. # [00:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/30b0bb7004aa - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 816956 - Don't try to check all parent hosts in the Permission Manager (but only until the domain name). r=sicking
  262. # [00:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6a1cddcd2070 - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 823093 - Skip permission entries with invalid appId. r=sicking
  263. # [00:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f062aed0c39f - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 823134 - Test IDN management for the Permission Manager. r=sicking
  264. # [00:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cfd082020dfa - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 815640 - Make permission manager aware of "file://". r=sicking
  265. # [00:48] <nemo> Hixie: hrm. aight. I figured it was your idea since you were credited in it. Anyway. super annoying. And. Yeah. Still results in periodic support probs in #css
  266. # [00:48] <nemo> besides taking away a useful trick
  267. # [00:49] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Same behavior as before when I added position:absolute
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  271. # [00:50] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Position:relative also had no change
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  276. # [00:53] <seth> vim users, look into vim-mercenary
  277. # [00:53] <seth> don't know how it escaped my notice up to now
  278. # [00:53] <seth> it's like fugitive for hg
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  281. # [00:58] <@smaug> RyanVM|Dinner: ping
  282. # [00:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8619a2942136 - Sean Stangl - Bug 829758 - Use MatchOnly mode for str_search(). r=dvander
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  284. # [00:58] <nemo> roc: hrm. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0587.html - I read this as kinda it being your fault :-p
  285. # [00:58] <nemo> roc: you're like "hey guys, go ahead and try it!" and we get to suffer
  286. # [00:58] <reuben> seth, oh wow
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  288. # [00:59] <reuben> seth, almost makes me think of switching to vim
  289. # [00:59] <@smaug> RyanVM|Dinner: if you happen to be around later today, do you think you could back out Bug 833143 to fix Bug 837843. If not, I'll do it tomorrow morning (GMT)
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  294. # [01:01] <seth> reuben: with vim-mercenary and patchreview-vim my job satisfaction is through the roof =)
  295. # [01:01] <Mossop> Code editors that automatically convert tabs to spaces are fantastic until you need to edit a Makefile :(
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  302. # [01:04] <seth> i actually do much of my development in patchreview mode, because it makes it so easy to focus on the changes you're making. you can easily load up everything that has changed in the current patch in your patch queue up in a tab and jump right to each change
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  306. # [01:06] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Could it be something to do with how it's created?
  307. # [01:06] <mbrubeck> we11ington: Can upload/pastebin a patch?
  308. # [01:06] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Highlighter does target.tab.linkedBrowser.ownerDocument.createElement
  309. # [01:06] <mbrubeck> nemo: Did you see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Oct/0000.html
  310. # [01:06] <we11ington> I'm doing content.document.createElement
  311. # [01:06] <reuben> Mossop, sublime text?
  312. # [01:06] <mbrubeck> we11ington: Oh, yeah. You want the ownerDocument.
  313. # [01:07] <we11ington> mbrubeck: How do I do that correctly?
  314. # [01:07] <nemo> mbrubeck: yeah. then they commented, then the blog post was corrected
  315. # [01:07] <Mossop> reuben: Almost any editor I've ever used, but yes that is what I'm attempting on right now
  316. # [01:07] <we11ington> mbrubeck: I'll try that and then if it doesn't work, I'll paste bin a patch
  317. # [01:07] <reuben> Mossop, Sublime has syntax-specific configuration files
  318. # [01:07] <nemo> mbrubeck: but. no fixing of the actual brokenness, and flatout refusal to offer a -webkit-position so I could do stuff like this:
  319. # [01:07] <mbrubeck> Probably the reason it works for image documents is because they are "chrome" documents or something.
  320. # [01:07] <reuben> Mossop, so you can set translate_tabs_to_spaces to false in Sublime Text 2\Packages\Makefile\Makefile.sublime-settings:
  321. # [01:07] <nemo> mbrubeck: http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase321.xhtml
  322. # [01:07] <mbrubeck> nemo: Anyway, just pointing out that roc definitely regrets if he gave them the impression we agreed to the change. :P
  323. # [01:07] <Mossop> reuben: translate_tabs_to_spaces is already false in the default yet apparently it still does it
  324. # [01:08] <nemo> mbrubeck: well. I got very angry at the time. and I bring it up at length in #css every time their decision effs us up or results in a confused dev
  325. # [01:08] <reuben> Mossop, do you have detect_indentation enabled?
  326. # [01:08] <nemo> mbrubeck: and I'm very very angry that they would break a spec deliberately, and not use prefixing
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  329. # [01:08] <nemo> mbrubeck: 'cause. it'd be so easy for me to fix. just put -webkit-position after position. done.
  330. # [01:08] <nemo> well. "fix"
  331. # [01:09] <nemo> mbrubeck: and. seriously irritated that I had to work around it w/ javascript, in part, too.
  332. # [01:09] <Mossop> reuben: AHA!
  333. # [01:09] <reuben> Mossop, :)
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  341. # [01:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b9384c85454d - Brian Nicholson - Bug 837373 - Check for valid favicon before scaling it. r=mfinkle a=akeybl
  342. # [01:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/5bc532b847ac - Lucas Rocha - Bug 812867 - Discard invalid favicon images (r=mfinkle, a=akeybl)
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  351. # [01:19] <Mossop> reuben: Is there a way to make sublime text use Makefile syntax for Makefile.in files (but not for other .in files)?
  352. # [01:19] <nrc> waldo: ping
  353. # [01:19] <whimboo> smaug: around?
  354. # [01:20] <reuben> Mossop, I'm pretty sure you can. let me check
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  357. # [01:22] <@smaug> whimboo: pong
  358. # [01:23] <whimboo> smaug: are you familar with the profiler?
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  361. # [01:24] <@smaug> whimboo: not really, because it doesn't work properly on linux
  362. # [01:24] <@smaug> whimboo: ask BenWa
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  365. # [01:24] <whimboo> smaug: k, looks like tbpl causes a lot of freezes for me
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  368. # [01:24] <whimboo> i will file a bug and share this profile so one of them can analyze
  369. # [01:24] <whimboo> good that I was in Glandiums talk at Fosdem
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  371. # [01:25] <reuben> Mossop, yes, you can change Makefile.tmLanguage and add Makefile.in to the fileTypes dict
  372. # [01:25] <reuben> apparently you can't do that in Sublime Text 3 though :/
  373. # [01:25] <@smaug> whimboo: I can certainly look at the profile
  374. # [01:25] <@smaug> whimboo: I just don't know the details how to use Gecko profiler
  375. # [01:25] <BenWa> whimboo: There's not a ton we can do about TBPL in the browser. The site just needs to be optimized
  376. # [01:26] <we11ington> mbrubeck: I'm stuck. I can't get the event to pass through to my function, the Browser Debugger doesn't work at all
  377. # [01:26] <@smaug> since I don't use it
  378. # [01:26] <we11ington> mbrubeck: How do I get the owner document?
  379. # [01:26] <BenWa> whimboo: It's good to not keep the tab around for much longer then you need
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  381. # [01:26] <@smaug> (I end up using sysprof usually, and it gives pretty reliable numbers)
  382. # [01:26] <we11ington> Using the event target is just not gonna work unless this stupid event passes through like it's supposed to
  383. # [01:26] <BenWa> smaug: The full linux support is being worked on heavily now
  384. # [01:26] <mbrubeck> we11ington: What file does your code live in, and how is it loaded. You used "content" before -- are you in a frame script?
  385. # [01:26] <whimboo> BenWa: so better to file a tbpl bug then?
  386. # [01:26] <Waldo> nrc: pong
  387. # [01:26] <we11ington> mbrubeck: I'm in browser.js
  388. # [01:27] <BenWa> whimboo: most likely
  389. # [01:27] <we11ington> In gGestureSupport
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  391. # [01:27] <Mossop> reuben: I thought fileTypes was just a list of extensions?
  392. # [01:27] <whimboo> BenWa: but would you mind to have a look at?
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  394. # [01:27] <we11ington> I've got a zoom function that receives the event just fine but the begin event never comes through
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  396. # [01:27] <we11ington> For no reason
  397. # [01:27] <nrc> Waldo: hi, bug 837297, did you mean to literally use 'detail' as the name for the namespace?
  398. # [01:27] <whimboo> smaug, BenWa: http://people.mozilla.com/~bgirard/cleopatra/#report=d2505e5b9959affe4a3cdab2033e771d31f7ffd8
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  401. # [01:28] <whimboo> is the xmlhttprequest run from the main thread?
  402. # [01:28] <reuben> Mossop, that's the list in Makefile.sublime-settings. the one in tmLanguage also does full file name matching
  403. # [01:28] <Mossop> Ah
  404. # [01:28] <mbrubeck> we11ington: You have a reference to the selected <browser>, right? Like, gBrowser.selectedBrowser
  405. # [01:28] <Waldo> nrc: mozilla::detail::DEAD, yes
  406. # [01:28] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Yup
  407. # [01:29] <Waldo> nrc: detail is a convention to say "this stuff's private, don't touch it yourself"
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  409. # [01:29] <nemo> heh. I just noticed html5test.com scores based on codec support. So I'd score better if any of my operating systems here had H.264 built in
  410. # [01:29] <mbrubeck> we11ington: Actually, in brower.js you don't even need that... you should be able to just do document.createElement(...)
  411. # [01:29] <nemo> ah. those are just bonus points at least
  412. # [01:29] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Threw an error when I did document.createElement
  413. # [01:29] <BenWa> whimboo: This is main thread only
  414. # [01:30] <@smaug> whimboo: tons of XHR objects I guess
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  418. # [01:31] <mbrubeck> we11ington: hmm. maybe because it's inside an XBL binding
  419. # [01:31] <mbrubeck> in that case, try browser.ownerDocument.createElement
  420. # [01:31] <mbrubeck> (replace "browser" with whatever <browser> element you are mucking with)
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  424. # [01:32] <mbrubeck> (in case it wasn't obvious)
  425. # [01:32] <we11ington> Nope
  426. # [01:32] <we11ington> owner document is not working at all
  427. # [01:33] <we11ington> I tried pulling the target off my update event, for which the event actually is passing through
  428. # [01:33] <we11ington> But it still didn't work
  429. # [01:33] <@roc> nemo: AFAIK the CSSWG has not approved that change yet
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  432. # [01:33] <we11ington> mbrubeck: ^
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  434. # [01:35] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Wait, it's telling me that getContext is not a function now
  435. # [01:35] <mbrubeck> I'm not sure why you need an event target...
  436. # [01:35] <@smaug> RyanVM|Dinner: Thanks! (and good night)
  437. # [01:35] <mbrubeck> You're in browser.js ... *the* browser.js, right? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js
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  439. # [01:36] <we11ington> Yep, the one
  440. # [01:36] <RyanVM|Dinner> smaug: np :)
  441. # [01:36] <nrc> Waldo: ok, sweet, just checking you didn't mean it as a placeholder. Thanks!
  442. # [01:36] <we11ington> I cannot get anything to work...
  443. # [01:36] <Waldo> nrc: np; I probably could have been clearer :-)
  444. # [01:36] <mbrubeck> so you should be able to call document.createElement just like this http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#534
  445. # [01:36] * Waldo really dislikes that C++ misfeature
  446. # [01:36] <mbrubeck> and get an element that lives in the chrome document
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  450. # [01:37] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Yeah, but for some reason, then myCanvas.getContext("2d") is invalid
  451. # [01:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2861ef67390a - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 837566 - Remove js_RemoveRoot. r=terrence.
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  456. # [01:39] <mbrubeck> we11ington: Maybe needs createElementNS() with the HTML namespace
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  458. # [01:40] <mbrubeck> document.createElementNS("http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml", "canvas")
  459. # [01:40] <mbrubeck> since you are in a XUL document now
  460. # [01:40] <we11ington> mbrubeck: That worked, but now we're a really long way around back to square one.
  461. # [01:40] <we11ington> Still not rendering the canvas in front of anything
  462. # [01:40] <mbrubeck> bleh
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  465. # [01:41] <mbrubeck> if you hide the <browser> can you see the <canvas>?
  466. # [01:41] <we11ington> browser.style.visibility = hidden ?
  467. # [01:41] <mbrubeck> yeah, something like that
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  470. # [01:41] <mbrubeck> or if you create something other than a canvas, like a <div> with style.background="red"?
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  472. # [01:42] * mbrubeck just wants to eliminate the possibility that the canvas itself is failing to draw
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  476. # [01:44] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Visibility hidden was no good
  477. # [01:44] <we11ington> I'll try a big red div
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  486. # [01:47] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Yay, a huge giant red blob appeared
  487. # [01:47] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Why in God's name does canvas not work
  488. # [01:48] <reuben> firebot, uuid
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  491. # [01:49] <we11ington> mbrubeck: Alright, my mind is lost, I'm just gonna assume there's a bug in the order things are painted and go home
  492. # [01:49] <we11ington> I'm so tired
  493. # [01:49] <mbrubeck> we11ington: My guess would be that the <canvas> is there but nothing is drawn to it for whatever reason
  494. # [01:49] <mbrubeck> so it's transparent
  495. # [01:49] <mbrubeck> (I would guess if you set a border on it, you'll see the border)
  496. # [01:50] <Mook_as> we11ington: DOM inspector tree ( + screenshot) might be helpful
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  500. # [01:50] <mbrubeck> or a background
  501. # [01:50] <we11ington> mbrubeck: The weird thing is, I can take and open that screenshot I'm saving and it looks perfect
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  504. # [01:50] <we11ington> It's rendering behind the page but in front of position: relative elements
  505. # [01:51] <we11ington> I can see the canvas and it really is correct, it just absolutely will not render at the correct layer
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  507. # [01:52] <we11ington> But whatever, I'll try to get it tomorrow
  508. # [01:52] <we11ington> Thanks for the help
  509. # [01:52] <we11ington> :)
  510. # [01:52] <mbrubeck> crazy
  511. # [01:52] <mbrubeck> good luck
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  594. # [02:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04be5f5f4b18 - Seth Fowler - Bug 836124 - Replace GetCurrentFrameIsOpaque() with [noscript] FrameIsOpaque(aWhichFrame). r=joe
  595. # [02:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2360c3c46aca - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 31268d71c33c (bug 833143) due to bug 837843.
  596. # [02:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9b342a7e9b8 - Seth Fowler - Bug 836155 - Replace GetCurrentFrameRect() with FrameRect(aWhichFrame). r=joe
  597. # [02:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6c416433f778 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
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  608. # [02:36] <RyanVM> kentuckyfriedtakahe: ping
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  610. # [02:37] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> RyanVM: hi
  611. # [02:37] <RyanVM> hi :)
  612. # [02:37] <RyanVM> so bug 825987 is backed out of m-c (and soon beta), but is staying on aurora?
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  616. # [02:38] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> I wasn't sure if I needed to request approval to get it backed out of aurora or not.
  617. # [02:38] <RyanVM> yes
  618. # [02:38] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> by the fact that you're asking I'm thinking that I should've requested approval.
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  620. # [02:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6acde923ec99 - Anthony Jones - Bug 825987 - Backed out changesets 1b9a99a17afb and 74493ca34d5e (bug 691061) due to regression with saving PDFs. a=akeybl
  621. # [02:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/53c23a73d31c - Yury Delendik - Bug 797288 - Pdf.js download behavior inconsistent. a=akeybl
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  650. # [02:58] <firebot> Check-in:
  651. # [02:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3196b34c41e2 - Robert Strong - Bug 762032 - Intermittent test_0201_app_launch_apply_update_svc.js | WindowsError: [Error 13] The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another
  652. # [02:58] <firebot> process: '...\ExecutableDir.tmp\bin\uninstall\helper.exe'. r=bbondy
  653. # [02:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/687a4154ebaf - Robert Strong - Bug 767968 - Intermittent test_0201_app_launch_apply_update.js, test_0203_app_launch_apply_update.js | WindowsError: [Error 13] The process cannot access the file
  654. # [02:58] <firebot> because it is being used by another process: '...\maintenanceservice_installer.exe'. r=bbondy
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  657. # [03:01] <zwol> tearing my hair out over weird XSLT thing. Does anyone know if this example is *supposed* to work? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2115183
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  659. # [03:02] <zwol> where "work" = "XSLTProcessor.importStylesheet succeeds"
  660. # [03:02] <@roc> I don't think anyone around here knows anything about XLST anymore :-)
  661. # [03:03] <zwol> alas
  662. # [03:04] <zwol> how've you been, anyway?
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  666. # [03:05] <@roc> Good. Busy. Great summer here.
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  668. # [03:06] <zwol> oh right, upside-down seasons
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  670. # [03:06] <zwol> it's snowing here :)
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  674. # [03:07] <@roc> I was in snow the weekend before last :-) --- http://robert.ocallahan.org/2013/01/mount-taranaki.html
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  678. # [03:07] <zwol> sounds like good times
  679. # [03:08] <reuben> whoa!
  680. # [03:08] <nemo> roc: hum. well. I'd say "good" but given it is clear webkit guys aren't backing down on this, probably I'll need to accept that we aren't ever going to eb able to do that kind of layout again
  681. # [03:08] <nemo> shame
  682. # [03:09] * reuben moves New Zealand a few positions in his list of places to visit
  683. # [03:09] <@roc> nemo: if you have a good use-case for it you should follow that up on the list
  684. # [03:09] <@roc> because no-one had one last time
  685. # [03:10] <nemo> roc: it was 20° just last week. -3° this morning
  686. # [03:10] <nemo> roc: so. is what I was doing a silly thing?
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  688. # [03:10] * @roc wonders why public-svgopentype is ignoring his subscription requests
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  690. # [03:10] <nemo> roc: having linked hover content in the footer that when hovered showed different text in the header?
  691. # [03:10] <@roc> nemo: I don't know what you were doing. Post to the list, if it's silly people will tell you :-)
  692. # [03:10] <nemo> roc: because that was the problem. due to what they were doing, the positioned header was overlapping the new next
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  694. # [03:11] <nemo> roc: *sigh* that means subscribing. Lemme work up a less rant-y demo. Maybe you can post it :-p
  695. # [03:11] <@roc> no, no
  696. # [03:11] <@roc> just subscribe
  697. # [03:11] <nemo> subscribing bad enough, but from what I read, not sure I want to get anywhere near that list
  698. # [03:11] <@roc> it won't hurt a bit
  699. # [03:11] <@roc> www-style?
  700. # [03:11] <@roc> it's not bad at all.
  701. # [03:12] <nemo> uhhuh
  702. # [03:12] <nemo> I read the css shader "discussion"
  703. # [03:12] <@roc> public-html-admin, now, that's where the action is
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  709. # [03:17] <Waldo> I see your public-html-admin and will raise you es-discuss
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  731. # [03:32] <zwol> could someone with the appropriate privs please clear the security flag on bug 837990? It's not sensitive at all, I just accidentally clicked the checkbox while reaching for the submit button.
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  733. # [03:33] <Callek|Buildduty> zwol: done
  734. # [03:33] <zwol> Callek|Buildduty: thankya
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  738. # [03:36] <nemo> roc: http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase322.xhtml - is there a way to do this in chrome w/ position fixed?
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  749. # [03:40] <nemo> roc: I mean, it might be that everything I used to do in this fashion can still be done w/ some new approach I'm unfamiliar w/. But right now. I'm just making broken-ish layouts like using position:absolute instead or JS or whatnot
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  752. # [03:41] <@roc> nemo: I don't know
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  754. # [03:43] <yury> zwol: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2115183 looks easy, but I never saw such before
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  756. # [03:44] <nemo> roc: sooo. you're not going to ask the list for me are you :-/
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  758. # [03:45] <zwol> yury: if I pull the XSLT out of the main document and parse it from a JS string - like the "source" - then magically it works. *headdesk*
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  760. # [03:45] <zwol> yury: anyway, I filed a bug, and I oughta get off the computer now
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  762. # [03:46] <yury> that's how XSLT usually used... as separate file
  763. # [03:46] <zwol> yury: yeah, but the documentation says it's supposed to be possible to do what i did
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  765. # [03:46] <zwol> or that's what i thought it was saying anyway
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  771. # [03:48] <zwol> goodnight, everybody
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  773. # [03:49] <@roc> nemo: nope
  774. # [03:49] <@roc> nemo: bite the bullet
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  784. # [03:54] <stuart> anyone know about webrtc stuff?
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  786. # [03:54] <stuart> im trying to use some code that works in chrome and am getting exceptions that throw RTCIceCandidate is not a constructor
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  788. # [03:56] <stuart> oh, looks like maybe it is prefixed?
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  794. # [03:59] <@roc> it's preffed off
  795. # [03:59] <@roc> and try #media
  796. # [04:00] <stuart> oh
  797. # [04:00] <stuart> roc: any idea what the pref(s) are?
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  803. # [04:05] <stuart> nevermind found it
  804. # [04:05] <stuart> i think
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  856. # [04:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/15dd558ca101 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 837297; change RefCounted::dead to a define; r=waldo
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  912. # [05:45] <xperia> hi. can somebody test if on this website here
  913. # [05:45] <xperia> http://mobile.freewifi.ch/login/index.php?gw_id=Thun-1&gw_address=127.0.0.1&gw_port=80
  914. # [05:45] <xperia> the 2 Gifs are showed in Firefox!
  915. # [05:45] <xperia> Somehow with my Firefox Version 18.0.1 the second gif is not showed in Chrome however i can see them!
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  917. # [05:47] <xperia> is this a functional Display Bug in Firefox?
  918. # [05:48] <mjrosenb> xperia: it looks like there are 5 images on that site?
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  921. # [05:49] <xperia> mjrosenb: right 4 small Images with dimensions 250px/200px and one big Map Image at the bottome
  922. # [05:49] <xperia> somehow Firefox here dont display the left one in the second row. Chrome however does it display!
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  925. # [05:49] <mjrosenb> xperia: wfm on a nightly from over the weekend.
  926. # [05:51] <xperia> what is wfm? i have version 18.0.1 is this too Old and is this a Bug in Firefox or is this a problem related to the Website that could affect also other Browsers?
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  929. # [05:52] <mjrosenb> wfm == "works for me"
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  931. # [05:52] <mjrosenb> if it is a bug, it has either been fixed or is intermittent.
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  934. # [05:54] <xperia> mjrosenb: ahhh okay thank you for the test and the feedback! hmmm would be good if somebody could test it with Version 18.0.1 so i know at least if the problem is related on my firefox side
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  948. # [06:07] <Mook> since I was curious: it looks like adblockplus blocked it over here.
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  963. # [06:37] <Mook> wait, what? msvc uses a 32 bit linker for 64 bit binaries?
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  966. # [06:38] <@dolske> well, it makes two passes so it's still 64bit.
  967. # [06:38] <@dolske> (please ignore me ;)
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  993. # [06:40] <Mook> sort of like the way the nintendo 64 was 64 bit? :p
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  1011. # [06:43] <Mook> huh, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/5202c6a0.aspx claims PGO is 64 bit only, going back to vc7.1. that can't be right...
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  1024. # [06:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/684ac55e17bd - Mark Hammond - Bug 837027 - Fix social UI for a multi-provider world. r=gavin
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  1038. # [06:53] <fryn> philor: yes
  1039. # [06:53] <fryn> philor: i'm not used to RyanVM pushing these patches to aurora/beta "automatically"
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  1042. # [06:54] <philor> fryn: me, I'm not used to him backing them out when it looks like he's already gone for the day :)
  1043. # [06:55] <fryn> philor: i'll push them in the right order tomorrow morning.
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  1048. # [07:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d567b1bb34ad - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 836076 - Part 3: Make AudioParams call back into their owning node when they're modified; r=roc
  1049. # [07:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/51f7c9e31f9a - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 836076 - Part 2: Make it possible to send AudioEventTimeline objects as commands to the MSG thread; r=roc
  1050. # [07:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/901c735274bc - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 836076 - Part 1: Move AudioEventTimeline.h to content/media; r=roc
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  1080. # [07:30] <philor> ehsan: is that your two patches, or roc's twelve, that are crashing on android in audio code?
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  1082. # [07:31] <@ehsan> sigh
  1083. # [07:31] <@ehsan> I'll back them all out
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  1089. # [07:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7f08319059b3 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out 3 changesets (bug 836076) becasue bug 804387 is getting backed out
  1090. # [07:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/58ea26c5a810 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out 14 changesets (bug 804387) because of Android M2 crashes
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  1187. # [08:34] <Jesse> jcranmer|away: what do you mean by "irreducible" on http://blog.regehr.org/archives/894
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  1198. # [08:42] * markh guesses not...
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  1204. # [08:49] <khuey> markh: nsIChannel can only be used from the main thread
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  1209. # [08:51] <Callek> khuey: unless you want to crash anyway
  1210. # [08:51] <Callek> :-)
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  1212. # [08:51] * Mook supposes abort() is one way of handling things
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  1215. # [08:52] <markh> khuey: yeah - just wishful thinking on my part :) I'm having a look at the "websockets in workers" patch...
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  1218. # [08:54] <markh> which is so far out of date that there are ~20 patch errors even applying it!
  1219. # [08:54] <markh> khuey: it's a patch you r-'d quite a few months ago now :)
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  1221. # [08:56] <khuey> heh
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  1224. # [08:56] <khuey> fwiw, we came up with a plan for moving forward on that at our work week yesterday
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  1226. # [08:56] <khuey> probably still a few months away, but it will happen
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  1233. # [08:58] <markh> what kind of plans? I've been thinking for a while about how a patch could be much saner than the current one...
  1234. # [08:58] <markh> but if the world will change underneath it in those few months, I probably shouldn't bother :)
  1235. # [08:59] <khuey> we're going to stand up the cycle collector and main thread event handling model on worker threads
  1236. # [08:59] <khuey> which should make the porting burden much smaller
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  1238. # [08:59] <markh> right, yeah
  1239. # [08:59] <markh> no network though ;)
  1240. # [09:00] <khuey> no
  1241. # [09:00] <khuey> but proxying necko calls shouldn't be too painful
  1242. # [09:00] <markh> nope - that's the least problematic part of that patch
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  1245. # [09:00] <khuey> yep
  1246. # [09:01] * khuey should mail .platform about our plan
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  1248. # [09:01] <markh> yeah
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  1251. # [09:02] <markh> interesting though - thanks. Getting websockets in workers is a current "pet" for me ;)
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  1253. # [09:04] <markh> I might still play with a refactoring to split some of the WebSocket stuff in such a way it makes sense in a "workers + main-thread network" world...
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  1255. # [09:07] <glandium> whimboo|afk: pong
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  1274. # [09:29] <Mook> yeah, reading http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fdownload.microsoft.com%2Fdownload%2F7%2FA%2F0%2F7A023209-096F-4F7D-B2BC-831ECC68FF5B%2FVS2010Beta1Readme.htm section 2.4.1.12, pretty sure PGO for x64 can be native
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  1277. # [09:30] <janv> someone from DOM team already in London office ?
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  1279. # [09:30] <Mook> of course, as long as we want to ship ia32 binaries..
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  1292. # [09:37] <whimboo> glandium: hi! thanks for your talk at fosdem. now i know how to use the profiler addon :)
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  1298. # [09:39] <glandium> whimboo: heh, enjoy :)
  1299. # [09:40] <whimboo> glandium: i filed a bug yesterday against tbpl which is most likely the piece causing all this mess on my box
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  1304. # [09:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/60fccebd30e0 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 837801: Remove unused-since-it-was-added-in-2005 variable 'rv' from nsSHistory::Reload. r=smaug
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  1306. # [09:49] <Callek> dholbert++
  1307. # [09:49] <Callek> thats all I gotta says
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  1309. # [09:50] <dholbert> Callek, thanks :)
  1310. # [09:51] <Callek> (I would laugh if that checkin burned the tree though -- knowing you very very unlikely though)
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  1327. # [10:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f741c36cc20 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 833278 - Part 1/2: move voicemail sources to dom/voicemail. r=mounir
  1328. # [10:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1057dfda57a5 - Vicamo Yang - Bug 833278 - Part 2/2: Implement MozVoicemailEvent using codegenerator. r=gwagner,smaug
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  1347. # [10:24] <firebot> Check-in:
  1348. # [10:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fbdf53493d31 - Jonathan Kew - bug 837729 - don't create text-runs for JS source code loaded in a hidden-window iframe, and remove source text from the DOM as soon as we've extracted it. r=gavin,markh
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  1354. # [10:28] <ewong> on a x86_64 linux system, I'm getting the following compiler error: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2116026 anyone seen it before? I'm not familiar with assembler stuff.. or even nss code
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  1356. # [10:29] <jgilbert> ewong, try gcc-4.6?
  1357. # [10:29] <ewong> jgilbert: ah ok. thanks!
  1358. # [10:30] <jgilbert> ewong, no idea if that's what's up, but I see 4.5 in there, so maybe 4.6 is worth a shot!
  1359. # [10:30] <ewong> jgilbert: thanks.. I'll give it a spin...
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  1362. # [10:30] <ewong> that was one thing I was wondering about..
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  1366. # [10:32] <glandium> ewong: update your tree
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  1370. # [10:34] <glandium> ewong: bug 835293
  1371. # [10:34] <ewong> glandium: ahh thanks!
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  1373. # [10:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e460b09f2e44 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 837637 - data-reporting notification shouldn't create its own notification box. r=gavin
  1374. # [10:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/17cdb798ac52 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 837640 - global notifications should be hidden during print preview. r=felipe
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  1380. # [10:37] <khuey> https://twitter.com/copumpkin/status/298592120086863874
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  1382. # [10:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/261ff4b8bb22 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 835907 - DNT preferences "Learn more" link shouldn't open in new window. r=dolske
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  1410. # [11:06] <janv> smaug: http://posts.netroy.in/what-indexeddb-should-look-like
  1411. # [11:07] <@smaug> janv: thanks
  1412. # [11:07] <janv> sure
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  1414. # [11:07] <jfkthame> edmorley: those os x reftest failures (the one you retriggered) are kinda interesting ... note how they're -all- a single-bit error in the reference image (the same bit within the byte, even, though it occurs at different positions within the image)
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  1416. # [11:08] <jfkthame> makes me wonder if it's a flaky memory chip in that machine
  1417. # [11:08] <edmorley> yeah we've seen the single pixel of death thing on os x before
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  1420. # [11:08] <edmorley> with bad slave
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  1423. # [11:10] <edmorley> jfkthame: in fact, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=talos-r4-snow-062
  1424. # [11:11] <edmorley> oooh I've just remember I can access slavealloc muhahaha
  1425. # [11:11] <edmorley> time to disable
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  1432. # [11:12] <jfkthame> yup, kill it!
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  1435. # [11:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8f4ec9046b03 - Olli Pettay - Bug 836875 - Background is no longer painted in Print output/Print preview, r=roc
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  1438. # [11:15] <edmorley> jfkthame: bah, I can't get the VPN to connect
  1439. # [11:16] <jfkthame> :(
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  1446. # [11:19] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: I don't suppose you know how I can verify bug 838076?
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  1451. # [11:23] <edmorley> jfkthame: ah got openvpn working now; disabled that slave :-)
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  1454. # [11:23] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: the accessible for <div onclick="alert("foobar");">foo</div>
  1455. # [11:23] <jfkthame> great, thanks - we have enough intermittent code issues without adding intermittent hardware ones as well!
  1456. # [11:23] <tbsaunde> should have an action
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  1458. # [11:23] <edmorley> jfkthame: indeed!
  1459. # [11:24] <edmorley> we now just have the perma fedora32 mochitest-other hang, but hey
  1460. # [11:24] <edmorley> retriggers on route
  1461. # [11:24] <jfkthame> yeah, i thought that was looking rather perma
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  1482. # [11:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4a5f5d0ef1ff - Glenna Buford - Bug 786714 - Remove unnecessary interfaces from TCPSocket's classinfo. r=sicking
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  1491. # [11:42] <khuey> edmorley: ping
  1492. # [11:42] <edmorley> khuey: hi
  1493. # [11:42] <khuey> edmorley: are you in the London office?
  1494. # [11:43] <edmorley> khuey: I will be later today
  1495. # [11:43] <edmorley> khuey: you in London?
  1496. # [11:43] <khuey> yes!
  1497. # [11:43] <edmorley> sweet!
  1498. # [11:44] <@bz> edmorley: a bunch of us are
  1499. # [11:44] <@bz> edmorley: we should at least meet. ;)
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  1501. # [11:44] <edmorley> indeed
  1502. # [11:44] <edmorley> going to finish up this review and then head in :-)
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  1505. # [11:47] <edmorley> work week?
  1506. # [11:47] <janv> yes
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  1509. # [11:48] <Al> So, why are win32 builds not being **strongly** discouraged? Do people not understand the **severe** security implications?
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  1513. # [11:50] <Al> A more horrifying thought is that people understand but do not care.
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  1526. # [11:55] <khuey> somebody broke fedora opt
  1527. # [11:55] <khuey> Moth
  1528. # [11:56] <Al> Consider the heap spray. Suppose the hardware has 8 GB of RAM, a 64-bit OS, and a 32-bit Firefox. It is trivial to fill the entire address space, especially since Firefox already crowds all tabs into it. Switch to 64-bit though, and the attacker can fill only 1/16 of the address space. (Windows only does 39-bit)
  1529. # [11:56] <khuey> also yay coalescing
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  1531. # [11:57] <Al> Consider ASLR. In a 32-bit process, it pretty much doesn't work. There isn't much room to shuffle things around. In a 64-bit process (39 for Windows) there is plenty of space to shuffle things around.
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  1550. # [12:17] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: thanks!
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  1553. # [12:21] <edmorley> infra issues?
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  1555. # [12:21] <edmorley> tegra and pandas have dropped out
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  1561. # [12:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1a05832bcaaf - Eric Chou - Bug 838089 - Blacklisted AT commands: AT+XAPL/AT+XEVENT, r=gyeh
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  1563. # [12:26] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: np
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  1579. # [12:41] <gfritzsche> yay, esr10 specific issues
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  1581. # [12:42] <edmorley> gfritzsche: wontfix \o/
  1582. # [12:42] <edmorley> no more esr10 releases now
  1583. # [12:42] <gfritzsche> oh, even no more hotfixes or anything?
  1584. # [12:42] <edmorley> indeed
  1585. # [12:43] <edmorley> patch just landed to remove it from tbpl (not yet on prod)
  1586. # [12:43] <gfritzsche> oh, great :)
  1587. # [12:43] <edmorley> I think technically we could have a chemspill upto the next merge day, but realistically that's not going to happen
  1588. # [12:43] <edmorley> and I presume your issue isn't on the chemspill scale anyway?
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  1594. # [12:45] <gfritzsche> edmorley: not really... but i guess i can just have rel-man have a look :)
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  1603. # [12:52] <ttaubert> Yoric: late pong? :)
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  1613. # [13:02] <jfkthame> did something change in bugzilla's api recently? bzexport is failing to set the "review?" flag for me when i upload a patch, even though it -claims- to be requesting review
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  1616. # [13:04] <jdm> jfkthame: that's usually a bug in bzexport; when did you last pull the extension?
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  1620. # [13:05] <gfritzsche> hm, is there are smart weak pointer a la nsCOM/RefPtr? (for automatic value initialization)
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  1623. # [13:07] <@bz> gfritzsche: "smart" in that it auto-initializes to null but has no other behavior
  1624. # [13:07] <@bz> gfritzsche: ?
  1625. # [13:07] <jfkthame> jdm: not sure, it's been awhile (but it was working for me until recently)
  1626. # [13:07] <jfkthame> jdm: i'll try updating it
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  1628. # [13:08] <gfritzsche> bz: yeah, the manual initialization is just errors waiting to happen at this scale
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  1631. # [13:10] <gfritzsche> or rather, errors actually happening :)
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  1640. # [13:15] <@bz> gfritzsche: well, for stuff allocated with new we have a zeroing operator new... ;)
  1641. # [13:16] <gfritzsche> oh, ok
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  1645. # [13:16] <gfritzsche> that covers most of it i guess... when did that land?
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  1659. # [13:26] <gfritzsche> ah, i see it's an explicit option via NS_*_ZEROING_OPERATOR_NEW et al
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  1668. # [13:37] <@bz> gfritzsche: yeah, you have to opt in
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  1679. # [13:44] <RyanVM> Mavericks: ping
  1680. # [13:44] <Mavericks> RyanVM:
  1681. # [13:44] <RyanVM> Mavericks: not much we can do about the bug #s at this point since it's already on m-c
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  1683. # [13:45] <RyanVM> if it were caught on inbound, we probably would have backed out and relanded
  1684. # [13:45] <RyanVM> oh well, it's not the end of the world
  1685. # [13:45] <edmorley> RyanVM: I'm about to back out njn for the hangs btw
  1686. # [13:45] <RyanVM> I reopened the other bug
  1687. # [13:45] <Mavericks> i see. ok will keep this in mind
  1688. # [13:45] <RyanVM> edmorley: OK
  1689. # [13:45] <Mavericks> great thanks RyanVM
  1690. # [13:45] <RyanVM> haven't even opened tbpl yet :)
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  1700. # [13:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f4ec9046b03 - Olli Pettay - Bug 836875 - Background is no longer painted in Print output/Print preview, r=roc
  1701. # [13:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dda25400b9d7 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 838124 - Convert BatteryManager to WebIDL. r=peterv
  1702. # [13:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/468c097a5113 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
  1703. # [13:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b9dcb082bcec - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 2861ef67390a (bug 837566) for Linux32 mochitest-other shutdown hangs.
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  1713. # [14:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/97a64853f10c - Gene Lian - Bug 831683 - B2G SMS & B2G MMS: make SMS database more generic for MMS (part 1, s/SmsDatabaseService/MobileMessageDatabaseService). r=vicamo
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  1715. # [14:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1eab3e0d7f53 - Gene Lian - Bug 831683 - B2G SMS & B2G MMS: make SMS database more generic for MMS (part 2, create dom/mobilemessage to put DB codes). r=vicamo
  1716. # [14:06] <mayhemer> sicking: hi
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  1719. # [14:06] <mayhemer> sicking: I actually don't know how to join you...
  1720. # [14:06] <sicking> mayhemer: so we're still trying to join the vidyo room, but we'll be in "allo allo"
  1721. # [14:07] <sicking> mayhemer: do you know how to get on vidyo?
  1722. # [14:07] <mayhemer> sicking: ok, could I use skype to join?
  1723. # [14:07] <mayhemer> sicking: yeah, just tell me the conference room name
  1724. # [14:07] <sicking> mayhemer: you could, but then you will only get audio
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  1726. # [14:07] <sicking> mayhemer: the vidyo room name is "allo allo"
  1727. # [14:07] <mayhemer> sicking: not bad, I look horrible in web cam :D
  1728. # [14:07] <sicking> mayhemer: :)
  1729. # [14:07] <mayhemer> sicking: cool!
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  1733. # [14:09] <sicking> mayhemer: we're changing room to "it crowd"
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  1736. # [14:10] <mayhemer> sicking: I'm there, just looks like I'm alone :)
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  1739. # [14:11] <sicking> mayhemer: ok, we can't get vidyo to work here
  1740. # [14:11] <sicking> mayhemer: so we'll have to call you
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  1743. # [14:12] <mayhemer> sicking: ok, how?
  1744. # [14:12] <sicking> mayhemer: -> /quote
  1745. # [14:12] <sicking> err.. /query
  1746. # [14:12] <Yoric> ttaubert: counter-pong
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  1764. # [14:24] <marco> Yoric: ping
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  1767. # [14:26] <Yoric> marco: pong
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  1776. # [14:31] <marco> Yoric: about bug 837989
  1777. # [14:31] <Yoric> yep
  1778. # [14:31] <marco> Yoric: I've left the error reporting as in the old code
  1779. # [14:31] <Yoric> If I see correctly, not quite.
  1780. # [14:31] <Yoric> Oh, I don't see correctly.
  1781. # [14:31] <Yoric> You are right :)
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  1783. # [14:32] <marco> Yoric: ok :) I've decided to use Task.jsm however, I'll post an updated patch
  1784. # [14:33] <marco> and I've changed a thing, because I don't see why it's needed
  1785. # [14:33] <marco> that is, if _lastDir doesn't exists, I don't see why I should re-read the pref
  1786. # [14:33] <ttaubert> Yoric: sup!
  1787. # [14:34] <Yoric> marco: I don't quite understand that bit either.
  1788. # [14:34] <marco> Yoric: ok
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  1790. # [14:34] <Yoric> ttaubert: Do you have a few minutes to chat about immediate quick hacks for Session Restore?
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  1792. # [14:37] <ttaubert> Yoric: sure
  1793. # [14:37] * ttaubert <3 quick hacks
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  1795. # [14:37] <Yoric> ttaubert: I haven't had time to test my not-so-quick hack for cutting history serialization.
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  1797. # [14:38] <Yoric> However, it dawns to me that we can probably make observable quick hacks that should help, too.
  1798. # [14:38] <ttaubert> ok, any in mind?
  1799. # [14:40] <Yoric> Step 1: Measure the longest uninterruptible operation using Telemetry to ensure that our work is useful and/or to tell us when we can stop (bug 836912)
  1800. # [14:40] <Yoric> (that is, the longest uninterruptible operation during |saveState|)
  1801. # [14:40] <Yoric> The whole idea is that I expect |saveState| to be the most common operation that can cause jank in Session Restore.
  1802. # [14:40] <ttaubert> yes
  1803. # [14:40] <ttaubert> agreed
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  1810. # [14:41] <Yoric> Step 2: Fork |_getCurrentState| to |_getCurrentStateAsync| and ensure that |saveState| uses |_getCurrentStateAsync|.
  1811. # [14:42] <Yoric> Step 3: Cut |_getCurrentStateAsync| in a |setTimeout|-based chunks.
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  1814. # [14:43] <Yoric> Step 4: If the measure shows that this is not sufficient, cut deeper.
  1815. # [14:43] <Yoric> etc. until Telemetry shows that the longest uninterruptible operation is short
  1816. # [14:43] <ttaubert> step 2 would break lots of things, no?
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  1819. # [14:43] <ttaubert> oh wait, saveState
  1820. # [14:43] <ttaubert> only
  1821. # [14:43] <Yoric> Yes, the idea is to focus on |saveState|.
  1822. # [14:44] <Yoric> All other users of |_getCurrentState| remain untouched.
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  1825. # [14:45] <ttaubert> the problem is that we might end up with an inconsistent state
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  1827. # [14:45] <Yoric> Yes, we probably need to add a "dirty" flag that tells us we need to restart from scratch.
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  1830. # [14:46] <edmorley> RyanVM: do we think that win opt red on inbound is real? and perhaps dda25400b9d7
  1831. # [14:46] <ttaubert> Yoric: hm that wouldn't be too hard to do
  1832. # [14:46] <edmorley> it was a forced clobber
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  1834. # [14:47] <ttaubert> Yoric: if anything changes, just cancel/restart async saveState
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  1836. # [14:47] <Yoric> That's the idea.
  1837. # [14:47] <Yoric> Not sure exactly how we detect that anything changes.
  1838. # [14:48] <RyanVM> edmorley: looks like the usual .webidl windows bustage to me
  1839. # [14:48] <ttaubert> Yoric: *most* of the stuff should be easy. I like the plan as a whole
  1840. # [14:48] <edmorley> RyanVM: we should file bugs for anything not already filed; keen to stamp out these race conditions
  1841. # [14:48] <RyanVM> it's filed
  1842. # [14:48] <RyanVM> (and in the black hole)
  1843. # [14:48] <edmorley> lol
  1844. # [14:48] <RyanVM> though I did ask for more help on it yesterday
  1845. # [14:49] <edmorley> which bug?
  1846. # [14:49] <RyanVM> bug 833533
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  1848. # [14:49] <edmorley> ta
  1849. # [14:50] <Optimize1> chos
  1850. # [14:50] <Yoric> ttaubert: I should be able to get started once you have reviewed bug 836912, then :)
  1851. # [14:50] <edmorley> RyanVM: khuey is the one that needs to look at it, and he's on a work week here this week, so may be a while
  1852. # [14:51] <ttaubert> Yoric: alright, will do asap
  1853. # [14:51] <Yoric> Thanks.
  1854. # [14:51] <Yoric> It's basically a 2-liner patch.
  1855. # [14:51] <Yoric> (well, maybe 10-liner)
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  1859. # [14:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/756a83df2a70 - Mark Finkle - Bug 835399 - Remove use of promises in WebAppRT r=bnicholson
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  1861. # [14:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7116ba5cc6a3 - Mark Finkle - Bug 835399 - Rename isAppUpdate to startupStatus r=bnicholson
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  1882. # [15:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/178c6a84dcab - Joel Maher - Bug 834737 - 2 text reftests fail while running unitests on ubuntu 12.04 on ec2 VMs. r=bz
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  1948. # [15:44] <JosiahOne> Does anyone have experiences with Nightly taking up ~ 2 GB of memory if you keep it running for a while on OS X?
  1949. # [15:45] <Yoric> Mmmhh... My Aurora seems to take 2.99Gb of memory on OS X.
  1950. # [15:45] <Yoric> It has been running for 26 days, though.
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  1952. # [15:45] <JosiahOne> Yoric: Hmm, mine has been running for about 2 days I think.
  1953. # [15:45] <ttaubert> y u no use nightly
  1954. # [15:47] <JosiahOne> Why are websites holding memory, even if they aren't open?
  1955. # [15:47] <Yoric> JosiahOne: Are they?
  1956. # [15:47] <JosiahOne> Yoric. Look at this… One sec.
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  1958. # [15:48] <Yoric> Mmmhh... about:memory seems to freeze my browser.
  1959. # [15:48] <Yoric> Ah no, just slow script.
  1960. # [15:48] <JosiahOne> Yoric: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oedf2pag0htukr2/Screen%20Shot%202013-02-05%20at%209.44.26%20AM.png
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  1963. # [15:49] <Yoric> JosiahOne: I assume all these windows are closed, are they?
  1964. # [15:50] <JosiahOne> Yoric: Well, I only ever have one window open. And all tabs are closed.
  1965. # [15:50] <Yoric> (ouch, going to about:memory + "minimize memory" has increased my memory usage by 500 Mb)
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  1968. # [15:51] <JosiahOne> Yoric: Sometimes I can get it to ~ 3 GB. But then I have to quit and re-open. Performance really drops at that point. (Only have 8 GB of RAM)
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  1970. # [15:51] <Yoric> I have no idea.
  1971. # [15:51] <Yoric> Theoretically, this should now be impossible.
  1972. # [15:52] <JosiahOne> Yoric: Why?
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  1974. # [15:52] <Yoric> As far as I remember, you can't hold a reference to a window that has been closed.
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  1976. # [15:52] <Yoric> Since ~ff14.
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  1978. # [15:52] <JosiahOne> Yoric: Hmm. But does this happen to you? Holding closed windows I mean.
  1979. # [15:53] <Yoric> I'm looking at it.
  1980. # [15:53] <JosiahOne> Okay.
  1981. # [15:53] <Yoric> For the moment, all the windows holding memory seem to be opened.
  1982. # [15:53] <Yoric> I do have ~200 open tabs, so checking this might take a little time :)
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  1985. # [15:54] <JosiahOne> Yoric: Yikes. I could never do that. It makes me feel all claustrophobic. :)
  1986. # [15:54] <Yoric> :)
  1987. # [15:54] <JosiahOne> Yoric: I never have more than one window, and never more than 3 tabs.
  1988. # [15:54] <Ms2ger> Just 200? :)
  1989. # [15:54] <JosiahOne> Do you guys use tab groups for these?
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  1991. # [15:55] <Ms2ger> I don't
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  1993. # [15:55] <Yoric> I use Panorama.
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  1995. # [15:55] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: How do you even navigate these tabs then?
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  1997. # [15:57] <JosiahOne> those*
  1998. # [15:57] <Ms2ger> I mostly use the rightmost tabs
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  2004. # [15:58] <Yoric> So far, every window I have seen is effectively open.
  2005. # [15:58] <JosiahOne> Yoric: Hmm…. I hope this issue isn't part of my bug.
  2006. # [15:58] <JosiahOne> I don't think it is.
  2007. # [15:58] <Yoric> Well, I'm using Aurora and not Nightly.
  2008. # [15:58] <JosiahOne> Yoric: Ah, true.
  2009. # [15:59] <glandium> tab groups are slow when you have a *lot* of tabs
  2010. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> Also, switch-to-tab
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  2012. # [15:59] <glandium> Ms2ger: ah, that reminds me i i have a bug to file about switch-to-tab
  2013. # [15:59] <Yoric> I have many "about:blank", which is a bit strange.
  2014. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> Always happy to help ;)
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  2016. # [16:00] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: I see. I just found out you can scroll through the tabs. :) (This is what happens when you never opens tabs.)
  2017. # [16:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18638a787876 - Asaf Romano - Bug 836211 - Give focus to the downloads view if the previous view had focus.
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  2019. # [16:00] <Yoric> I might take the opportunity to install a firmware update.
  2020. # [16:00] <Yoric> cheers
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  2024. # [16:01] <JosiahOne> After opening a whole bunch of new tab pages, I am up .2 GB.
  2025. # [16:01] <JosiahOne> And I closed them.
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  2027. # [16:02] <glandium> JosiahOne: one observation i have with my crazy tab count is that our networking stack doesn't handle that very well and network access gets slower the more tabs you have
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  2030. # [16:03] <JosiahOne> glandium: But that doesn't explain aggressive memory usage.
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  2032. # [16:03] <JosiahOne> I guess I will try the standard Nightly, and see if it is my patch.
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  2037. # [16:03] <glandium> JosiahOne: install http://glandium.org/files/tabstats.xpi and go to about:tabs
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  2043. # [16:05] <JosiahOne> glandium: Done.
  2044. # [16:05] <JosiahOne> Should have done that before I closed Firefox though.
  2045. # [16:05] <glandium> JosiahOne: yeah
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  2048. # [16:05] <johns> JosiahOne: How recent is your nightly?
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  2050. # [16:06] <JosiahOne> johns: Well, the one with my patch is probably a week old. I'm updating the standard one now.
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  2053. # [16:06] <johns> JosiahOne: There was a window leak that was fixed jan 28th you could be hitting in a bad way
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  2055. # [16:06] <JosiahOne> johns: Oh, that would make sense.
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  2057. # [16:07] <johns> JosiahOne: bug 820602
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  2059. # [16:07] <JosiahOne> … Now, I need to find another clean repo...
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  2111. # [16:46] <RyanVM> smaug: ping
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  2113. # [16:47] <@smaug> RyanVM: pong
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  2115. # [16:47] <RyanVM> smaug: if you're going to land directly on m-c, can you please remember to set the target milestone flag when resolving the bug?
  2116. # [16:48] <@smaug> RyanVM: I thought m-c -> m-i merge (or the m-i -> m-c after that) does that
  2117. # [16:48] <RyanVM> no, only m-i to m-c
  2118. # [16:48] <@smaug> that is what I was told at some point
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  2120. # [16:48] <@smaug> but perhaps I got wrong information
  2121. # [16:48] <RyanVM> it doesn't set TM unless it's resolving the bug
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  2125. # [16:50] <edmorley|mtg> smaug: the tool is only used for merging into m-c
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  2127. # [16:50] <edmorley> not out of
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  2140. # [16:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9020fabf64c2 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 1: addVisits replacement of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
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  2143. # [16:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5bbe934f7d7 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 5: Toolkit replacements of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
  2144. # [16:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e79d18652d56 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 6: Browser social replacements of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak, r=jaws
  2145. # [16:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d21ebe0febbe - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 7: Browser sanitize replacements of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
  2146. # [16:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d8c82e4ddc1e - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 2: docshell replacement of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
  2147. # [16:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/432bebf28ec2 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 739217 - Part 4: Browser replacements of synchronous isVisited with asynchronous isURIVisited. r=mak
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  2150. # [16:58] <jfkthame> trying to build my m-c tree but updated to an old rev (from April last year) … it dies with "ImportError: No module named buildconfig"
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  2153. # [16:59] <edmorley> jfkthame: rm *.pyc in srcdir
  2154. # [16:59] <jfkthame> ah, that's probably it, yes - thanks
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  2159. # [17:01] <jfkthame> edmorley: indeed, it seems to be happy now
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  2194. # [17:12] <khuey> edmorley: did you ever come into the office?
  2195. # [17:13] <edmorley> khuey: yeah here now
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  2201. # [17:14] <khuey> ok we'll come over in a bit
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  2206. # [17:14] <edmorley> khuey: cool :-)
  2207. # [17:14] <edmorley> you were in the meting room when I last looked
  2208. # [17:14] <edmorley> then think I was in a meeting with AutomatedTester when you came out
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  2221. # [17:19] <NeilAway> mak: I guess we need to fix http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/common/places/tests/browser/browser_library_infoBox.js#28 ?
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  2223. # [17:20] <mak> NeilAway: there is a list of tests to port here for AddVisit, that test is included too https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820797#c4
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  2229. # [17:21] <NeilAway> mak: ah thanks
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  2232. # [17:21] <nigelb> khuey: ha, you're in London too?
  2233. # [17:22] <nigelb> looks like I picked the right week to visit the London office.
  2234. # [17:22] <mak> NeilAway: there could be more for isvisited, but doing these should bring down the list. do you know someone who may work on that?
  2235. # [17:22] <khuey> nigelb: indeed
  2236. # [17:22] <nigelb> khuey: ha. I was in the meeting space earlier. In a blue sweater. We should meet when you're done :)
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  2240. # [17:23] <khuey> sounds good
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  2340. # [18:04] <NeilAway> mak: no sorry :s
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  2343. # [18:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4990982fd823 - Kyle Huey - Bug 776800: Keep track of transaction dependencies explicitly to improve performance. r=bent
  2344. # [18:06] <mak> bent: hi
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  2346. # [18:06] <bent> mak, hey
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  2349. # [18:06] <bent> mak, what if we just add a main thread check to service::init?
  2350. # [18:07] <mak> bent: I hope you are pinging me to suggest a good solution for the race condition :)
  2351. # [18:07] <bent> well, i suggest we eliminate it
  2352. # [18:07] <mak> bent: which kind of check?
  2353. # [18:07] <mak> bent: are you suggesting what asuth did? so to enforce everyone to get a handle on mainthread?
  2354. # [18:07] <bent> not an assert, just returning a failure code if init is called off the main thread
  2355. # [18:07] <bent> just the call to init
  2356. # [18:07] <bent> server refs that happen later should be fine
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  2358. # [18:08] <bent> then you can do all your main thread work on the main thread before returning
  2359. # [18:08] <bent> no extra runnable
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  2363. # [18:09] <bent> we can even make the storage service a startup observer to ensure it happens early
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  2370. # [18:13] <nemo> Soooooo hate CTRL-Q in linux firefox :( :(
  2371. # [18:13] <nemo> I only ever hit it accidentally, and then have to start my session again
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  2374. # [18:13] <derf> ^W is worse.
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  2377. # [18:14] <derf> I can't tell you how often I've tried to delete a word only to find my window disappeared.
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  2380. # [18:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/caf13c3365f3 - James Willcox - Bug 837687 - Use a case-insensitive comparison for OpenGL extension names r=jgilbert
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  2385. # [18:17] <mak> bent: I'm sorry, powerloss :(
  2386. # [18:17] <bent> mak, no worries
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  2388. # [18:17] <bent> mak, http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2116894
  2389. # [18:18] <mak> bent: so, basically getting a handle of the service on another thread would just throw if a valid handle was not generated before on main-thread?
  2390. # [18:18] <We11ington> mbrubeck: So, the canvas renders in front on http://mxr.mozilla.org
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  2392. # [18:18] <bent> mak, correct
  2393. # [18:18] <We11ington> mbrubeck: My teammate stumbled upon this accidentally. Still doesn't work for normal pages.
  2394. # [18:18] <bent> mak, basically, "you called me too early"
  2395. # [18:18] <mak> bent: does that affect indexedDB? (I don't think we have other consumers off m-t in tree)
  2396. # [18:19] <nemo> derf: the problem is w3m uses ctrl-q to close a tab. so I already have the muscle memory to mess that up
  2397. # [18:19] <nemo> derf: I forget what browser I'm in and boom.
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  2399. # [18:19] <bent> mak, indexedDB has a similar design, the service must be started on the main thread, so it will be easy to force a storage service get in the idb code if needed
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  2401. # [18:19] <nemo> derf: losing one tab is less damaging than losing them all - well. obv if the tab you are in is the one w/ the non-persisting content, then it still sucks :)
  2402. # [18:19] <bent> mak, so if idb is the only problem then this is a cinch
  2403. # [18:20] <jdm> nemo: https://github.com/nigelbabu/meta-q-override
  2404. # [18:20] <bent> but i would be surprised
  2405. # [18:20] <nemo> derf: what I dislike very much is there is no config option to disable or rebind that :( you have to do it by editing the XML. every single release...
  2406. # [18:20] <nemo> jdm: ooooh. an extension???
  2407. # [18:20] <jdm> it also works on linux
  2408. # [18:20] <gbrown> jduell: ping?
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  2410. # [18:20] <jdm> it's saved me thousands of times
  2411. # [18:20] <nemo> jdm: there used to be one, then it went away.
  2412. # [18:20] <nemo> jdm: kickass. thanks.
  2413. # [18:20] <nemo> jdm: lol @ readme - that's about my average. maybe a bit more
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  2415. # [18:21] <mak> bent: I see. Yes probably we should also evaluate this solution, I just wouldn't abort cause as I wrote in the bug, I don't want user installing dumb add-on hitting crash on startup constantly :)
  2416. # [18:21] <nemo> jdm: depends on how much I was doing in w3m that day :D
  2417. # [18:21] <nigelb> nemo: :D
  2418. # [18:21] <mak> bent: btw, since you are more expert than me on threading, do you think the monitor solution was bad?
  2419. # [18:21] <bent> mak, well, i'm not talking about aborting
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  2421. # [18:21] <mak> yes, got that, I'm fine with your solution
  2422. # [18:22] <bent> ok
  2423. # [18:22] <nigelb> nemo: here's the addons.mozilla.org link - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/meta-q-override/
  2424. # [18:22] <nemo> nigelb: why is that not in about:config or advanced options :)
  2425. # [18:22] <bent> mak, that is simplest
  2426. # [18:22] <nemo> nigelb: ah. even better. thanks
  2427. # [18:22] <bent> mak, if it turns out that we need something else,
  2428. # [18:22] <bent> mak, we could do a synchronous block
  2429. # [18:22] <bent> mak, (e.g. not spinning an event loop)
  2430. # [18:22] <nigelb> nemo: no worries. let me know if you find any troubles. If you're at the dom work week in London, I'm in the other side of the office at the moment :)
  2431. # [18:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e72b799bfc1 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 813442 - CaptureRollupEvents(false) before calling anything that can destroy us. r=roc
  2432. # [18:22] <mak> bent: our monitor solution there doesn't spin the event loop, the original solution did
  2433. # [18:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3bdd1b235c12 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 813442 - Remove useless do_QueryFrames and null checks. r=roc
  2434. # [18:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/292f8e2dc39e - Mats Palmgren - Bug 813442 - Do the DestroyWidget() synchronously with a strong ref on the widget so that it's not deleted, drop the ref asynchronously later. r=roc
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  2436. # [18:23] <bent> mak, yeah, spinning is almost always bad
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  2439. # [18:23] <mak> bent: yeah, that's why we tried an alternative (and we found that one). but I'm not really everyday head down on threading :)
  2440. # [18:24] <jduell> gbrown: pong
  2441. # [18:24] <bent> mak, how was this bug discovered?
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  2443. # [18:24] <bent> mak, did idb trigger it?
  2444. # [18:24] <bent> jduell, !
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  2446. # [18:24] <We11ington> mbrubeck: A few places we've tried that it works: msu.edu, yahoo.com, cnn.com, mxr.mozilla.org; places it doesn't work: mozilla.org, google.com, amazon.com
  2447. # [18:24] <gbrown> jduell: just checking in with you about bug 829419 ... waiting on your review
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  2449. # [18:24] <nemo> nigelb: man. I need to lookup how to make that a default system addon for all my profiles
  2450. # [18:24] <nigelb> nemo: :D
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  2454. # [18:26] <nigelb> I should add a link to the add-on page right from the github page.
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  2456. # [18:26] <mak> bent: froydnj was making a patch to remove the telemetry parts from the vfs to solve some intermittent crash bug in tests, found a pref being accessed off main-thread by the VFS and while moving it to MainThreadInitializer noticed something was wrong with it
  2457. # [18:26] <bent> oh, ok
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  2459. # [18:26] <mbrubeck> We11ington: Very weird. I have no idea what's going on -- you'll need to find someone who understands layout, I think. :P
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  2462. # [18:27] <mbrubeck> We11ington: If you can produce a reduced test case (a simple XUL file that exhibits the same unexpected behavior) and file a bug, that would probably be useful.
  2463. # [18:27] <jduell> gbrown: ah, yeah. How important is this bug? Mainly tinderbox crashes, or is this likely to show up on Android?
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  2465. # [18:27] <bent> mak, ok. we should fix this for sure
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  2467. # [18:27] <jduell> gbrown: i.e. affect users
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  2472. # [18:28] <jduell> gbrown: either way I'll try to get to review, but I've been punting on it to do B2G work
  2473. # [18:28] <gbrown> jduell: afaik, mostly tinderbox crashes, but there is a crash report that looks the same in bug 811653
  2474. # [18:28] <mbrubeck> We11ington: This is for the pinch zooming bug, right? I believe the plan-of-record (i.e., what the graphics team is busy working on) involves OMTC and AsyncPanZoomController, so anything with a canvas overlay might be used just as a proof-of-concept or a stopgap.
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  2484. # [18:29] <We11ington> mbrubeck: Yep--that's what jaws said, and told us to continue for now but keep an eye on OMTC
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  2558. # [18:30] <mak> bent: do you know if b2g does something with Storage off mainthread apart indexedDB?
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  2562. # [18:30] <gbrown> jduell: fix in bug 826385 now avoids the condition that was routinely causing this in tests
  2563. # [18:30] <mbrubeck> We11ington: Cool. Just wanted to make sure you weren't surprised/disappointed if the patches didn't ship in the end. It still seems like a very cool thing to work on. :D
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  2567. # [18:30] <@ehsan> Callek: see ^, seems like *.build.m.o is down
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  2572. # [18:31] <@ehsan> Callek: for example, see https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/
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  2577. # [18:31] <We11ington> mbrubeck: Yep, thanks :)
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  2585. # [18:32] <bent> mak, i think all storage in gaia is localStorage or indexedDB
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  2590. # [18:32] <bent> mak, and if we added any additional mozStorage code in the chrome process I'd be surprised
  2591. # [18:32] <mak> bent: ok would makes sense indeed.
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  2620. # [18:35] <darkowlzz> what's going on? Max SendQ
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  2626. # [18:35] <@ted> dunno, weird
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  2631. # [18:35] <edmorley> infra issues elsewhere, presume just too many reconnects at once
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  2639. # [18:36] <We11ington> mbrubeck: It's an ugly patch full of commented-out junk, but if you wanna try out and see our issue in action, here it is: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2116906
  2640. # [18:36] <RyanVM> snorp: windows red
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  2647. # [18:37] <snorp> seriously windows doesn't have strcasecmp?
  2648. # [18:37] <snorp> UGH
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  2651. # [18:37] <snorp> RyanVM: on it
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  2661. # [18:37] <mbrubeck> We11ington: cool, thanks!
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  2665. # [18:38] <RyanVM> snorp: OK, I've closed inbound for the time being
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  2670. # [18:38] <mbrubeck> We11ington: By the way, if you're interested, it might be nice for us to have a similar stop-gap in Metro Firefox for Windows 8...
  2671. # [18:38] <snorp> RyanVM: what's the magic to push now
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  2674. # [18:38] <snorp> CLOSEDTREE or something in the message?
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  2677. # [18:38] <RyanVM> with a space
  2678. # [18:38] <nemo> snorp: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms647489%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
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  2681. # [18:39] <@ehsan> snorp: strcasecmp is a posix function, not a libc function
  2682. # [18:39] <snorp> ehsan: indeed.
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  2685. # [18:39] <We11ington> mbrubeck: Our professor elected to have us do the same thing for Windows as we're doing. Since we're doing this front-end, it should work for free. I've got a laptop with a multi-touch trackpad; I checked out and built but the process crashes almost immediately after startup.
  2686. # [18:39] <@ehsan> stupid posix naming scheme
  2687. # [18:39] <snorp> meh, there is probably some nspr thing I can use
  2688. # [18:39] <@ehsan> snorp: how about stricmp?
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  2694. # [18:40] <snorp> ehsan: is that a thing everywhere
  2695. # [18:40] <We11ington> mbrubeck: Didn't really look into why it crashed and it too over an hour to full-build...
  2696. # [18:40] <We11ington> *took
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  2701. # [18:40] <snorp> msdn has _stricmp?
  2702. # [18:40] <We11ington> mbrubeck: Long story short, yeah, we're working on Windows too :D
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  2707. # [18:41] * snorp pushes a backkout
  2708. # [18:41] <mbrubeck> We11ington: Metro Firefox has a separate front-end, currently only on the elm branch (hopefully landing soon on mozilla-central): http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/elm/file/default/browser/metro/
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  2713. # [18:41] <We11ington> mbrubeck: Ah, interesting. I'll have to take a look.
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  2715. # [18:41] <snorp> RyanVM: backout pushed
  2716. # [18:41] <@ehsan> snorp: yeah I _think_ stricmp is in libx
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  2719. # [18:41] <@ehsan> *libc
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  2722. # [18:42] <RyanVM> snorp: thanks!
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  2724. # [18:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77e05f6dc007 - James Willcox - backout caf13c3365f3 for Windows bustage CLOSED TREE
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  2727. # [18:42] <mbrubeck> We11ington: It has pinch zoom code that worked when this code ran on Android, but is commented out on Windows because our graphics background doesn't support the same async zooming: http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/elm/file/35e219b514cc/browser/metro/base/content/input.js#l1004
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  2737. # [18:43] <mbrubeck> anyway, we're hoping to have "real" async panning/zooming within the next few months, but if we could do something simple to start playing with it now that would at least make for better demos.
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  2742. # [18:43] <We11ington> mbrubeck: Yep, good to know
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  2747. # [18:43] <mbrubeck> and some of the front-end event-handling code might be reused.
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  2790. # [18:50] <RyanVM> mmmm, ehsan's feeling saucy today
  2791. # [18:51] <@ehsan> hehe
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  2794. # [18:51] <@ehsan> RyanVM: these should be safe, they've already bounded once ;)
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  2796. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> I wonder if any ircops could so something about those SendQs...
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  2799. # [18:51] <@gavin> I just pinged dumitru about it
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  2802. # [18:52] <dumitru> yeah..
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  2848. # [19:08] <@ehsan> 09:53:31 INFO - > Build failed! <
  2849. # [19:08] <@ehsan> 09:53:31 INFO - Build with |./build.sh -j1| for better messages
  2850. # [19:08] <@ehsan> 09:53:31 INFO - If all else fails, use |rm -rf objdir-gecko| to clobber gecko and |rm -rf out| to clobber everything else.
  2851. # [19:08] <@ehsan> what gives?
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  2853. # [19:08] <Ms2ger> Infra
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  2856. # [19:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9b703ded09c - James Willcox - Bug 837687 - Use a case-insensitive comparison for OpenGL extension names r=jgilbert
  2857. # [19:09] <@ehsan> thanks
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  2861. # [19:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/88c2a0a35a65 - Ben Turner - Bug 832419 - 'Clean up IPC blobs'. r=sicking.
  2862. # [19:10] <RyanVM> I pinged #releng about it, but nothing yet
  2863. # [19:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/47c28fd47df9 - Vivien Nicolas - Bug 835799 - Add a timestamp property to the observer sent when an application has been called by app.launch(). r=fabrice
  2864. # [19:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa18864fd67f - Vivien Nicolas - Bug 804320 - Provide more inertia when the user does little gestures. r=schien
  2865. # [19:11] <snorp> ehsan: so does Web Audio work now?
  2866. # [19:11] * snorp is excite
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  2868. # [19:12] <snorp> ugh the chrome examples all use prefixed api
  2869. # [19:12] <snorp> (of course)
  2870. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> What were you thinking?
  2871. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> "chrome examples"
  2872. # [19:12] <snorp> some of them at least try :)
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  2875. # [19:13] <@ehsan> snorp: basic playback should work now
  2876. # [19:13] <snorp> ehsan: awesome
  2877. # [19:13] <@ehsan> yep :)
  2878. # [19:13] <@ehsan> snorp: roc has a testcase in the bug
  2879. # [19:13] <@ted> ehsan: oh, cool, you actually landed some web audio api stuff?
  2880. # [19:14] <@ehsan> ted: I've been landing them for a while, but basic playback support is on inbound now :)
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  2882. # [19:14] <@ted> neat!~
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  2885. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> All we need now is joystick support
  2886. # [19:15] <snorp> woo
  2887. # [19:15] <jhammel> Ms2ger: twss?
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  2889. # [19:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36e03cf9cb41 - Terrence Cole - Bug 832103 - Add a regression test for the given bug; r=bhackett DONTBUILD
  2890. # [19:16] <@ted> Ms2ger: :-
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  2892. # [19:16] <@ted> :-/
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  2902. # [19:23] <edmorley> mak: hi :-)
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  2904. # [19:24] <mak> edmorley: hi! did I break anything?
  2905. # [19:24] <edmorley> mak: nope! :-)
  2906. # [19:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b7bf70c3be2 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 820463 - Remove the --load-early CLI, r=ahal
  2907. # [19:24] <edmorley> mak: how are you?
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  2909. # [19:25] <RyanVM> hah, I love how the default to response to edmorley's and my pings is typically "uh oh, what did I do"
  2910. # [19:25] <edmorley> hehe
  2911. # [19:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7841a1527c4f - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 836076 - Part 1: Move AudioEventTimeline.h to content/media; r=roc
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  2914. # [19:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69b18d52cfdc - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 836076 - Part 3: Make AudioParams call back into their owning node when they're modified; r=roc
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  2916. # [19:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f12bd589624f - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 836076 - Part 2: Make it possible to send AudioEventTimeline objects as commands to the MSG thread; r=roc
  2917. # [19:25] <JosiahOne> Here's what I think. We need to stop adding code. ;)
  2918. # [19:26] <JosiahOne> 45 min for a build now, that's excessive.
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  2920. # [19:26] <edmorley> mak: I don't suppose you could do me a favour and take a look at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14610603/firefox-addon-get-an-array-of-all-bookmark-folders ?
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  2922. # [19:26] <edmorley> mak: one of the people for whom I hosted an event at the mozilla london office community space was asking me about it
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  2924. # [19:27] <mak> edmorley: I may look at it later, now many meetings...
  2925. # [19:27] <edmorley> mak: thank you :-)
  2926. # [19:27] <firebot> Check-in:
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  2928. # [19:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/43442ef269f5 - Robert Strong - Bug 762032 - Intermittent test_0201_app_launch_apply_update_svc.js | WindowsError: [Error 13] The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process:
  2929. # [19:27] <firebot> '...\ExecutableDir.tmp\bin\uninstall\helper.exe'. r=bbondy, a=test-only
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  2931. # [19:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6ae56a9c1fc8 - Robert Strong - Additional logging for Bug 835197 - Intermittent test_0201_app_launch_apply_update.js, test_0202_app_launch_apply_update_dirlocked.js, test_0203_app_launch_apply_update.js
  2932. # [19:28] <firebot> [Exception... 'Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIFile.copyTo]'. r=bbondy, a=test-only
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  2934. # [19:28] <RyanVM> rstrong++
  2935. # [19:28] <firebot> is being used by another process: '...\maintenanceservice_installer.exe'. r=bbondy, a=test-only
  2936. # [19:28] <edmorley> \o/.
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  2942. # [19:30] <@ehsan> edmorley: we should close inbound... b2g panda builds are perma-red
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  2944. # [19:31] <edmorley> ehsan: it's infra
  2945. # [19:31] <edmorley> but yeah wont hurt
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  2948. # [19:31] <@ehsan> edmorley: file a blocker bug somewhere perhaps? ;)
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  2950. # [19:32] <edmorley> they don't normally have much effect for SCL3 type issues
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  2954. # [19:32] <@ehsan> hmm
  2955. # [19:32] <edmorley> they already know and are dealing with it
  2956. # [19:32] <@ehsan> oh ok
  2957. # [19:32] <@ehsan> actually
  2958. # [19:32] <@ehsan> I should have suggested closing inbound after I landed my other batch of patches ;)
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  2962. # [19:34] <RyanVM> ehsan: scl3 is supposedly fixed now
  2963. # [19:34] <@ehsan> cool
  2964. # [19:34] <RyanVM> if it's still red, I'll close inbound/m-c/b2g18
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  2966. # [19:35] <@ehsan> thank you
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  2972. # [19:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7fc9c8f622c5 - Jeff Hammel - Bug 837870 - mozbase README.md -> m-c, remove m-c README;r=wlach
  2973. # [19:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c80a10a30cf2 - John Schoenick - Bug 837427 - Include gstreamer cflags in content/media/webaudio; r=ehsan
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  2975. # [19:40] <RyanVM> trees closed
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  2980. # [19:41] <@ehsan> jhammel: do you know about DONTBUILD?
  2981. # [19:42] <jhammel> ehsan: beh, yes :/ i meant to add that
  2982. # [19:42] * philor|away is now known as philor
  2983. # [19:42] <@ehsan> it's ok :)
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  2986. # [19:43] <jhammel> sorry about that....the impending tree closure clouded my judgement
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  2989. # [19:44] <RyanVM> jhammel: sure, blame me why don't you
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  2991. # [19:44] <@bsmedberg> taras: does telemetry data know whether users are using a 64-bit or 32-bit OS?
  2992. # [19:44] <@bsmedberg> apart from the FF arch?
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  2994. # [19:44] <jhammel> nah, its a bad habit of mine....as forgetful as i am normally, when i feel rushed i'm even worse
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  2996. # [19:45] <@ehsan> jhammel: good thing was that your push got coalesced with mine :)
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  2998. # [19:45] <jhammel> ehsan: heh, nice...this has to be the only time i've ever been happy about coalescing
  2999. # [19:46] <@ehsan> same here!
  3000. # [19:46] <jhammel> :)
  3001. # [19:46] * @ehsan goes back to being mad at coalescing again
  3002. # [19:46] <@ehsan> now this feels right ;)
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  3004. # [19:46] <jhammel> heh; it is the exception that proves the rule
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  3013. # [19:51] <mbrubeck> dougt: ^
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  3026. # [19:57] <@ehsan> jhammel: so you actually broke the build!
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  3028. # [19:57] <sfink> bwahaha! I suckered edmorley into r+'ing <blink>!
  3029. # [19:57] <jhammel> ehsan: srsly? :/
  3030. # [19:57] <sfink> well, sorta
  3031. # [19:57] <jhammel> beh...the Makefile
  3032. # [19:57] <jhammel> dammit
  3033. # [19:57] <@ehsan> jhammel: hehe
  3034. # [19:57] <edmorley> jhammel: lol
  3035. # [19:57] <RyanVM> jhammel: really?
  3036. # [19:57] <jhammel> yeah, really
  3037. # [19:57] <@ehsan> good thing you didn't use DONTBUILD ;)
  3038. # [19:57] <RyanVM> lulz
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  3040. # [19:58] <jhammel> anyone want to back me out?
  3041. # [19:58] <@ehsan> jhammel: I'll do that
  3042. # [19:58] <jhammel> ehsan: thanks
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  3047. # [20:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b2ce4d44206 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out changeset 7fc9c8f622c5 (bug 837870) because it broke the build, landing on a CLOSED TREE
  3048. # [20:02] <edmorley> sfink: I'd kind of thought more of a s/NO JOBS CHOSEN/No platforms selected/ (and without the colour), but didn't seem worth the bikeshedding :-)
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  3053. # [20:02] <sfink> edmorley: hm, you're probably right. I guess I was still in an overly general frame of mind with the "jobs" terminology.
  3054. # [20:03] <sfink> but I'm happy that I get to blame the color on you now
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  3060. # [20:04] <edmorley> sfink: my only concern (now that I've recloned a bunch of repos and able to apply the patch), is that it might encourage people to focus on the All/None section (and so choose all), when we would really rather they selectively choose just a few platforms
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  3062. # [20:04] <edmorley> but I fear I am overanalysing
  3063. # [20:05] <jhammel> edmorley: fwiw, i agree
  3064. # [20:05] <edmorley> Unrelated - btw the reason the panda builds are failing is:
  3065. # [20:05] <edmorley> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2117139
  3066. # [20:05] <edmorley> hilarious :-)
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  3068. # [20:06] <sfink> edmorley: er... that comment made me find a bug. If you click on the "None" checkbox, it switches to "try: -b o -p -u none -t none"
  3069. # [20:06] <RyanVM> wow, Norton Internet Security's uninstaller seriously tries to get you to buy and install another one of their programs
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  3071. # [20:06] <sfink> (when really what it should do is pick a platform based on the current build queue, now that we have the data :-) )
  3072. # [20:06] <edmorley> sfink: yeah true
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  3079. # [20:12] <mjrosenb> are the machines physical or virtualized?
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  3084. # [20:14] <taras> bsmedberg: i'm not sure
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  3093. # [20:16] <taras> bsmedberg: looking at about:telemetry
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  3095. # [20:16] <taras> the answer is no
  3096. # [20:16] <taras> bsmedberg: if you file a bug on how to do that
  3097. # [20:16] <taras> we can implement it
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  3103. # [20:20] <@bsmedberg> taras: ok, filed 838279 and asked bbondy to comment
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  3116. # [20:31] * jwir3 is going to be working quite late once those emails come out. ;)
  3117. # [20:31] <jwir3> (wrong chan)
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  3119. # [20:32] <rstrong> bsmedberg: I think you will get more accurate numbers from the AUS ping
  3120. # [20:32] <@bsmedberg> rstrong: oh, if we have the data in the AUS ping, that's even better
  3121. # [20:33] <@bsmedberg> who would I ask for a report?
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  3123. # [20:33] <rstrong> we don't ping every 24 hours anymore but you should be able to get a percentage and from that correlate
  3124. # [20:33] <rstrong> bsmedberg: I posted a link iin the bug to a generated nightly report
  3125. # [20:34] <Bas> We should really fix our windows build system notices to never recommend rm -rf :)
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  3128. # [20:35] <rstrong> the numbers are massaged to drop off builds that don't report a significant number of users though I don't remember what the threshold is. deinspanjer maintains it
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  3162. # [20:54] <Yuhong> Just wrote this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121738#c52
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  3165. # [20:55] <Yuhong> And before I wrote this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8318911/why-does-html-think-chucknorris-is-a-color/12630675#12630675
  3166. # [20:55] <Yuhong> Side note: I wonder who wrote this referenced lo_parse_rgb routine.
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  3186. # [21:07] <cpeterson> Yuhong, color="chucknorris" sounds like a good opporunity for an Easter Egg :)
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  3188. # [21:07] <WeirdAl> hi guys - who owns nsJAR.cpp? We're seeing an interesting regression where extracting one read/write file on top of another leads to the file being marked readonly
  3189. # [21:07] <WeirdAl> indications are this started in FF19
  3190. # [21:08] <dholbert> WeirdAl, if I were you, I'd check hg log
  3191. # [21:08] <WeirdAl> already did
  3192. # [21:08] <WeirdAl> nothing leapt out at me
  3193. # [21:08] <dholbert> IIRC taras might own some of the jar code
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  3202. # [21:16] <mak> edmorley: replied, and actually found a bug due to the example code...
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  3213. # [21:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/041e309db32e - Aki Sasaki - bug 838261 - stop downloading imgtec-panda-imm76i-67545da7.tgz from the internet. r=catlee CLOSED TREE
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  3222. # [21:31] * mak looks at the inbound closed message...
  3223. # [21:31] <mak> "b2g panda red"... would have been better "b2g red panda"
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  3227. # [21:34] <RyanVM> heh
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  3323. # [22:07] <Yoric> Gasp, my znc seems to have gone crazy again.
  3324. # [22:07] <RyanVM> man, ehsan just doesn't know when to quit
  3325. # [22:07] <Yoric> I am banned from #introduction.
  3326. # [22:08] <@ehsan> RyanVM: :D
  3327. # [22:08] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I _think_ that would be it for today
  3328. # [22:08] <@ehsan> dao: ping
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  3333. # [22:09] <edmorley> mak: great - thank you for replying to that :-)
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  3341. # [22:11] <andresp> only noticed now: * - Boot2Gecko (FirefoxOS) #b2g https://www.mozilla.org/firefoxos/
  3342. # [22:11] <andresp> * is appearing twice on the irc.mozilla.org welcome message
  3343. # [22:12] <andresp> under Project Information
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  3359. # [22:21] <jedp> has anyone done lockpicking workshops in the bay area, maybe at Noisebridge in SF?
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  3361. # [22:22] <jhammel> and, unrelatedly, does anyone know when the federal reserve is getting their next gold shipment?
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  3363. # [22:23] <jedp> jhammel that was going to be my next question, yes
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  3365. # [22:24] <reuben> Yoric, yes, your ZNC went crazy and jdm banned you
  3366. # [22:24] <andresp> lol
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  3371. # [22:25] <edmorley> sfink: presume you are aware, but both trychooser and hghooks will need a push to prod bug filed
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  3377. # [22:26] <jedp> any recreational lockpickers out there at all?
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  3379. # [22:26] <sfink> edmorley: I'm normally lazy and wait until the next push, but I suppose neither of those repos gets pushed much
  3380. # [22:27] <Yoric> reuben: Can anyone unban me?
  3381. # [22:27] <reuben> Yoric, I don't have OP, but I asked
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  3383. # [22:27] <Yoric> thanks
  3384. # [22:27] <sfink> jedp: no, but I really need a full length street sweeper whisker for something unrelated
  3385. # [22:27] <sfink> (or similar material)
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  3387. # [22:27] <sfink> my car repair shop won't give me their old wiper blades
  3388. # [22:28] <edmorley> hehe
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  3390. # [22:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b00fee0a69b4 - Steven Michaud - Bug 740923 - Lion Fullscreen: Black area when opening new windows. r=bgirard
  3391. # [22:28] <@gavin> Yoric: unban you where?
  3392. # [22:28] <edmorley> sfink: hghooks will after bug 477166 , trychooser probably not soon
  3393. # [22:28] <jedp> street sweeper whiskers somehow remind me of my childhood … in which … i guess … i just collected a lot of street sweeper whiskers
  3394. # [22:28] <Yoric> gavin: #introduction
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  3396. # [22:29] <@gavin> Yoric: done
  3397. # [22:29] <sfink> now that I finally live in an area where we actually have street sweepers, I can hardly ever find the darn things
  3398. # [22:29] <Yoric> gavin: Thanks.
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  3400. # [22:29] <jedp> i got the TOOOL lockpick kit from adafruit.com and i'm completely addicted. want to take a class or a workshop
  3401. # [22:29] <jedp> ditto for my daughter, who is showing all her fellow third-graders how to pick locks now
  3402. # [22:29] <sfink> awesome
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  3405. # [22:30] <jedp> sfink after a week of learning about locks … we bought better locks :)
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  3407. # [22:30] <edmorley> jedp: that's going to end well!
  3408. # [22:30] <sfink> yeah, once you realize how incredibly easy it is to get into your house, you can't really forget
  3409. # [22:30] <jedp> edmorley what could possibly go wrong?
  3410. # [22:30] <sfink> nothing changes, but everything's different
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  3413. # [22:31] <edmorley> jedp: the third grader friends not having quite the same motivations :-)
  3414. # [22:31] <jedp> sfink we haven't tried picking our door locks yet - afraid of breaking them - but we have picked similar locks and can't believe it's so easy
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  3418. # [22:32] <jedp> edmorley true, not everyone who becomes interested in computer network security ends up working for the good guys; ditto for locks, i suppose
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  3421. # [22:32] <tanvi> dveditz - ping
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  3430. # [22:34] <edmorley> jedp: indeed
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  3437. # [22:38] <cjones> BenWa, ping
  3438. # [22:39] <BenWa> cjones: pong
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  3440. # [22:39] <cjones> BenWa, oh, nm; i loaded a profile in cleopatra and the graph was broken, but a shift-reload fixed it
  3441. # [22:40] <BenWa> cjones: Yea people.mozilla.org doesn't deal well with updates
  3442. # [22:40] <Waldo> jedp: were you simultaneously taught how to un-180 a lock, or no?
  3443. # [22:40] <jedp> Waldo I don't know what "un-180" means :)
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  3446. # [22:41] <Waldo> jedp: probably not, then :-)
  3447. # [22:41] <@dveditz> tanvi: pong? (in a meeting though)
  3448. # [22:41] * Waldo searches for a description of 180ing
  3449. # [22:43] <tanvi> dveditz - okay. i'm still stuck on reproducing the crash we talked about on firday. I borrowed a windows 7 machine from IT, and have tried a number of the urls reported in the crash report. have tried session restoring with them as well. and i can't get a crash. do you think we should just proceed wiht a patch that should probably fix the issue even though we can't reproduce it? https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?signature=nsIN
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  3451. # [22:44] <@dveditz> we've done that before.... not ideal, but if we know the patch can't hurt...
  3452. # [22:44] <reuben> locks only stop people who wouldn't break into your house in the first place
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  3454. # [22:44] <reuben> electric fences, on the other hand…
  3455. # [22:44] * njn wonders what "Apps In The Cloud" is
  3456. # [22:44] <firebot> Check-in:
  3457. # [22:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f54529528a9 - Josh Aas - Bug 647216: Allow mouse event handling in the title bar on OS X. A number of contributors to this patch, including Markus Stange, Paul O'Shannessy, Mike Conley, Stephen Pohl,
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  3460. # [22:44] <firebot> and myself (Josh Aas). r=mstange,dao,enndeakin
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  3462. # [22:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f4abd800a550 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 827370 - Remove RedirectorRunnable. r=mfinkle a=akeybl
  3463. # [22:45] <@dveditz> njn: something like "Addons in the cloud"? that is, sync makes your machines look alike?
  3464. # [22:45] <@ted> njn: it's actually "Apps in the Clown", we're pivoting to a clown-based platform
  3465. # [22:45] <@khuey> lol
  3466. # [22:45] <@dveditz> our orange color becomes an asset -- yes!
  3467. # [22:45] <Waldo> jedp: judging by the hover-previews, I *think* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MFtcxQP4Gs shows what 180ing a lock is, but for whatever reason net from MV is sucktastic right now wrt youtube, so I can't be sure
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  3469. # [22:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/53a09e22d034 - Terrence Cole - Bug 706885 - Do not store singletons in the Nursery; r=bhackett
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  3471. # [22:47] <tanvi> going to make a last pass through all the urls, and then move on to the next bug
  3472. # [22:47] <Waldo> in the tiny bit of lockpicking-learning I got, I was told if I 180'd a lock to find known-experts to fix it for me
  3473. # [22:48] <Waldo> I never spent enough time practicing, or learning, or screwing up, to need to do that
  3474. # [22:48] <jedp> Waldo - ah - i see now. I don't think the locks we've been practicing on are 180-able. the plug only turns so far
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  3476. # [22:48] <cers> dougt: ping
  3477. # [22:48] <jedp> Waldo i love that guy's videos, btw. great stuff
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  3479. # [22:49] <jedp> Waldo have you attended any of the workshops at Noisebridge?
  3480. # [22:50] <Waldo> jedp: I did waaaaaaaay less learning and practicing than that :-)
  3481. # [22:50] <Waldo> I learned the theory of it, tried it very briefly, but it was not quite a desirable enough skill for me to ever cultivate it
  3482. # [22:51] <jedp> i'm trying to find a workshop where i can bring 6 to 8 beginners to get some hands-on training from an expert
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  3484. # [22:51] <jedp> Waldo i don't know if it's a desirable skill, but it is kind of addictive, especially trying to feel/hear your way around security pins
  3485. # [22:51] <jedp> Waldo i'm finding in can reall get into that. maybe this is what knitting is like.
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  3487. # [22:52] <Waldo> jedp: I should probably give you the context of saying I went to MIT for undergrad :-)
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  3492. # [22:53] <jedp> Waldo yeah i picked that up on irc the other day; i did my undergrad at the little red schoolhouse down the street from MIT. when did you graduate?
  3493. # [22:53] <Waldo> jedp: 2008
  3494. # [22:54] <Waldo> and from what I've, um, heard, there a lot of ways to get to Baker House that require far less effort than lockpicking :-)
  3495. # [22:54] <jedp> heh
  3496. # [22:55] <Waldo> agree that the this-is-a-thing-I-should-learn-it aspect is appealing regardless of any use or non-use it might be put to, tho
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  3500. # [22:55] <jedp> Waldo well, we definitely did not overlap. I was harvard 93; i audited a few things at MIT and loved them. But as i was focusing on greek and latin, i was definitely not a good MIT student :)
  3501. # [22:55] <Waldo> hah
  3502. # [22:56] <jedp> Waldo i don't know - didn't feel i had to learn it - it just looked interesting. same could be said of scores of other neato technical things :)
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  3505. # [22:58] <Waldo> I took one Harvard class while I was there (CS152, programming languages), but mostly/only because the semi-corresponding class at MIT didn't fit my schedule; also conveniently a posse of people I knew were cross-registering to take it
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  3511. # [22:58] <DGMurdockIII> when are you guys finaly going to make flash crash less in firefox or have you been working on that
  3512. # [22:59] <jedp> whoah - i just built a branch of firefox, and when i try to type into the profile chooser, my input is echoed in the terminal - what me do wrong?
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  3514. # [22:59] <njn> does anyone know what JS code runs in an unrestored tab when Firefox starts up?
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  3516. # [23:00] <jhammel> DGMurdockIII: not my area of expertise but since flash is 3rd party software that we don't have access to, there is only so much we can fix there; if you mean flash crashing firefox, there has been considerable and ongoing effort there, and fwiw flash crashes firefox much much less frequently for me
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  3523. # [23:01] <jedp> i can't remember when the last time flash crashed firefox on me. not recently for sure
  3524. # [23:02] <jhammel> likewise
  3525. # [23:02] <jhammel> flash has certainly hung the CPU and brought firefox to a standstill before it realized it crashed, but it stayed in its sandbox
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  3529. # [23:03] <jimm> what's a good test site for the new H.264 backend on Windows?
  3530. # [23:03] <DGMurdockIII> i get the message more and more flash hase crash would like to send a crash report
  3531. # [23:03] <DGMurdockIII> and i do
  3532. # [23:03] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, are you running the latest version of flash? https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
  3533. # [23:04] <DGMurdockIII> 11.5.502.146
  3534. # [23:04] <DGMurdockIII> yes according to that site
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  3537. # [23:04] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, (but as jhammel said, flash is third-party software; there's not much we can do)
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  3540. # [23:05] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, I believe we look at crash reports to find trends and communicate w/ Adobe regarding sudden crash spikes & to notice things that could be our fault
  3541. # [23:05] <@ted> jimm: i dunno, i just hit random <video> tags now on various sites
  3542. # [23:05] <@ted> nytimes.com has video on some of their features
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  3544. # [23:06] <terrence> if I push a patch from mozilla-beta to Try, should I expect it to break horribly?
  3545. # [23:06] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, if you have a site that reliably crashes, please file a bug
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  3547. # [23:06] <DGMurdockIII> youtube
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  3549. # [23:06] <jimm> ted: thx, guess I'll just poke around.
  3550. # [23:06] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, that's... uncommon
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  3552. # [23:07] <DGMurdockIII> is there a way to for me to get my bug report id nembers
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  3555. # [23:07] <DGMurdockIII> for the last stuff i submited
  3556. # [23:07] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, You can visit about:crashes to see your crash reports
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  3561. # [23:08] <DGMurdockIII> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-c534d307-3414-4bc5-b98f-8ea162130205
  3562. # [23:08] <jhammel> wow...nightly on this computer hasn't crashed since 11/29/2012
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  3564. # [23:08] <cpeterson> ship it
  3565. # [23:08] <RyanVM> mak: your push on inbound is looking awful suspicious
  3566. # [23:08] <RyanVM> oh, nevermind
  3567. # [23:08] <mak> RyanVM: yep
  3568. # [23:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e70586576b9 - Rafael Ávila de Espíndola - Bug 838280 - Add function names and comments. r=froydnj.
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  3571. # [23:09] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, you might try using a new profile, and if that doesn't fix it, maybe try a malware scanner
  3572. # [23:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99d8346ef1af - Chris AtLee - Bug 838140: Use MOZ_PKG_SPECIAL=asan for asan builds. r=ted
  3573. # [23:09] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, if flash is crashing reliably for you at youtube, something is seriously wrong
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  3575. # [23:10] <DGMurdockIII> how can i push the one that where throtted
  3576. # [23:10] <RyanVM> mak: I'm about to close the tree to prevent anything else piling on top
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  3578. # [23:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69f50b3e8bb1 - Marco Bonardo - Backout 890368240f48 (bug 838304) for xpcshell-test failures
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  3580. # [23:11] <mak> RyanVM: ok, thanks
  3581. # [23:11] <RyanVM> done
  3582. # [23:11] <wesj> ted: you have a link to crashme handy? and any chance it works on native fennec?
  3583. # [23:11] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, just trying to view their crash report page should prompt them to be processed (and be ready within a few minutes, normally)
  3584. # [23:11] <DGMurdockIII> ok
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  3586. # [23:12] <@ted> wesj: yes and yes
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  3591. # [23:13] <DGMurdockIII> 80a8e65c-d073-4586-bbc7-b0badab09799-flash1
  3592. # [23:13] <DGMurdockIII> can find it
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  3594. # [23:13] <@ted> wesj: http://people.mozilla.com/~tmielczarek/crashme/
  3595. # [23:13] <DGMurdockIII> it keeps going to the throthling page
  3596. # [23:13] <wesj> ted: thanks!
  3597. # [23:13] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, that usually means it's being processed and will hopefully be available soon
  3598. # [23:14] <DGMurdockIII> ok
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  3603. # [23:15] <@ted> i should probably make that crashme page suck less on mobile
  3604. # [23:15] <@ted> it's kind of hard to click
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  3606. # [23:16] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, this isn't really the right place to debug this further. You probably want to file a bug in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Core&component=Plug-ins , and post links to crash reports (and info about how you reproduce the crash / how frequently it happens) there
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  3611. # [23:17] <dholbert> DGMurdockIII, and you should see if you can reproduce it in a newly-created Firefox profile, too (and mention that on the bug) -- info on that here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles
  3612. # [23:17] <DGMurdockIII> ok
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  3614. # [23:18] <Mossop> gps: So what is a .mk file?
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  3616. # [23:18] <jhammel> ehsan: so... ;) was going to re-push the patch with fix, which i tested locally this time; should i DONTBUILD or actually intentionally build this time?
  3617. # [23:18] <@ted> Mossop: that is a pretty generic question
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  3620. # [23:19] <@ehsan> jhammel: no, let's build it, just because :)
  3621. # [23:19] <RyanVM> jhammel: man up, big guy
  3622. # [23:19] <jhammel> ehsan: cool, thanks
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  3625. # [23:19] <jhammel> RyanVM: its hard cuz i broke my glasses again tripping over my pocket protector o_O
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  3627. # [23:19] <Mossop> ted: In reference to the almost last paragraph of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837915#c5
  3628. # [23:20] <jhammel> RyanVM: not my fault though...it was the limited edition die cast model of the NCC-1701-D that distracted me
  3629. # [23:20] <@smaug> tanvi: reviewing now.
  3630. # [23:21] <@ted> Mossop: ah
  3631. # [23:21] <@ted> he just means an includable bit of Makefile
  3632. # [23:21] <gps> Mossop: a make file that isn't named 'Makefile'
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  3634. # [23:21] * njn is disgusted by bug 838335
  3635. # [23:21] <Mossop> Ah, ok
  3636. # [23:21] <@ted> njn: yow
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  3639. # [23:21] <@ted> njn: is this why we suck so bad at loading tinderbox logs?
  3640. # [23:22] <njn> ted: and we wonder why Firefox has a reputation as a memory hog
  3641. # [23:22] <@smaug> tanvi: did you upload the patch to try?
  3642. # [23:22] <RyanVM> njn: fantastic
  3643. # [23:22] <njn> ted: tinderbox logs have a lot more formatting, but we generally suck at text
  3644. # [23:22] <RyanVM> njn: and yeah, /me hopes that a fix to that will make tbpl logs suck less
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  3646. # [23:22] <njn> hence bug 689769
  3647. # [23:22] <@ted> njn: heh
  3648. # [23:22] <@ted> i had missed that one
  3649. # [23:22] <njn> kinda like how we suck at images (bug 683284)
  3650. # [23:23] <njn> but hey! it's only text and images
  3651. # [23:23] <jhammel> and styling
  3652. # [23:23] <jhammel> oh, and that network thing
  3653. # [23:23] <jhammel> the rendering process could be better too....
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  3655. # [23:23] <@ted> i think we're actually pretty competitive on rendering
  3656. # [23:23] * jhammel was joking
  3657. # [23:24] <njn> roc: does bug 838335 surprise you?
  3658. # [23:24] <jhammel> AIUI, our network stack is mostly fast too, but i know little about it
  3659. # [23:24] <@ted> njn: i suspect the text-suck stuff would help dogfooding a lot
  3660. # [23:24] <@ted> given that we hit it on build logs and changesets etc
  3661. # [23:24] <njn> ted: how so?
  3662. # [23:24] <@ted> stuff developers tend to load
  3663. # [23:24] <njn> ted: which makes it surprising that it's still so bad
  3664. # [23:24] <@ted> yeah
  3665. # [23:24] <nrc|WaitangiDay> njn: no roc today, public holiday in NZ
  3666. # [23:25] <njn> argh, White Hankie day
  3667. # [23:25] <nrc|WaitangiDay> njn: also, *wow*
  3668. # [23:25] <Bas> Wow, PDF.js makes debug builds slloooooow
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  3670. # [23:26] <reuben> njn, whoa, how did you find that bug? I don't suppose you happened to run into a page with 7MB of text in a <pre>
  3671. # [23:27] <mfinkle> ted, viewport meta tag
  3672. # [23:27] * geekboy|afk is now known as geekboy
  3673. # [23:27] <njn> reuben: um, read the bug?
  3674. # [23:27] <@ted> mfinkle: oh right
  3675. # [23:27] <njn> reuben: URL field
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  3677. # [23:27] <njn> reuben: http://people.mozilla.org/~bhackett/gcFunctions.html
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  3679. # [23:27] <mfinkle> ted, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mobile/Viewport_meta_tag
  3680. # [23:27] <reuben> njn, ah, nevermind my blindness
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  3684. # [23:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da98d9067e70 - Jeff Hammel - Bug 837870 - mozbase README.md -> m-c, remove m-c README;r=wlach
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  3688. # [23:29] <RyanVM> njn: if it hasn't been said enough yet, let me say it again, thanks again for continuing to fight the good fight
  3689. # [23:29] <njn> RyanVM: np
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  3691. # [23:29] <RyanVM> njn: btw, captain trolls-a-lot seems to have left your blog
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  3695. # [23:30] <RyanVM> wonder what got into him
  3696. # [23:30] <njn> RyanVM: hell yes! :)
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  3698. # [23:30] <njn> RyanVM: maybe we fixed enough problems that he has nothing to complain about any more
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  3700. # [23:30] <RyanVM> heh
  3701. # [23:30] <@ted> mfinkle: slightly better
  3702. # [23:31] <RyanVM> as long as he doesn't visit any sites with lots of unformatted text or images ;)
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  3705. # [23:31] <@ted> mfinkle: btw, JB-style swipe-to-close-tab is pretty sweet
  3706. # [23:31] <@smaug> froydnj: sorry about delay with giving feedback
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  3708. # [23:31] <@smaug> Trying to do that later today or tomorrow
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  3711. # [23:32] <mfinkle> ted, we have had enough feedback that we are bringing the "x" back too
  3712. # [23:32] <mfinkle> ted, but swiping will stay
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  3715. # [23:33] <froydnj> smaug: no problem, mounir hopefully commented on all the stupid things already :)
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  3717. # [23:33] <Callek|Buildduty> vlad: ping
  3718. # [23:33] <@ted> mfinkle: cool
  3719. # [23:33] <@ted> just feels really natural after getting used to swipe-to-close-app in the app switcher
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  3721. # [23:33] <Callek|Buildduty> vlad: sooo, I have a scrolling [rendering] bug I'm hitting pretty frequently on Firefox for Android (ICS) on aurora
  3722. # [23:34] <Callek|Buildduty> and reproducible, want to know if you're the right person and/or know of an existing bug on file, etc
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  3724. # [23:35] <mfinkle> ted, agreed
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  3726. # [23:36] <Waldo> njn: the preformatted-text being memory-intensive thing is well-known, as bz or roc (I think dbaron too, but definitely those two) would tell you if they were around
  3727. # [23:36] <Waldo> njn: thing is most people aren't viewing huge text files very much, so it's not the most pressing perf or even feature concern for viewing the web
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  3731. # [23:39] <RyanVM> mfinkle: out of curiosity, did you catch up with gerv?
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  3735. # [23:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a69e0304a1f7 - Aki Sasaki - bug 838261 - add download-panda.tar.bz2 to panda builds. r=catlee
  3736. # [23:43] <mfinkle> RyanVM, not today
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  3738. # [23:43] <mounir> froydnj: which bug?
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  3752. # [23:49] <froydnj> mounir: bug 771331
  3753. # [23:49] <@dbaron> Waldo, njn: but see bz's comment in the bug; it's not just preformatted text
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  3757. # [23:51] <Waldo> oh, hm, more complex than I thought
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  3762. # [23:53] <njn> dbaron: I see
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  3779. # [23:59] <jimm> ted: odd, when I save some of the mp4s off the nyt, windows media can't play them. but they play in the browser just fine.
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