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# [00:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1c2e7ae47afc - Bobby Holley - Bug 839867 - Align gecko with the spec on cross-origin access to Location.hash. r=bz
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# [01:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a4ce303cca2f - Wan-Teh Chang - Bug 807883: Update NSPR to NSPR 4.9.6 Beta 1 to pick up the new
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# [01:36] <heycam> be nice if I could push to try and have it tell me "this warning will be treated as an error once you push to inbound, so fix it, but let me continue building and run your tests for you"
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# [01:42] <KWierso|Home> heycam: "warnings as almost-errors"? :P
# [01:43] <heycam> KWierso|Home, pretty much yeah :)
# [01:44] <mattwoodrow> warnings as orange
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# [02:00] <@roc> anyone know much about breakpad?
# [02:02] <@roc> in particular, if I have a crash-stats report and a minidump, do they contain copies of the code around the crashing EIP?
# [02:02] <heycam> ted would probably know
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# [02:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/80fa2c61df14 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 838407 - aria-hidden false value shouldn't be exposed via object attributes, r=tbsaunde
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# [02:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b521694bdbc - Matthew Gregan - Bug 839319 - Initialize WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE correctly in cubeb winmm backend. r=doublec
# [02:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8beba959a1c - Matthew Gregan - Bug 837430 - Don't hold the decoder monitor while initializing AudioStreams. r=cpearce
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# [03:16] <@roc> anyone know if it's possible to get the crashing EIP from a crash-stats crash report?
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# [03:26] <firebot> Check-in:
# [03:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/167195a95601 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 606642 - Do not remove the [Excess]OverflowContainers properties before destroying its frames. Carefully check after destroying each frame that the property is
# [03:26] <firebot> still alive. r=roc
# [03:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf5d5599aa6a - Mats Palmgren - Bug 839839 - Minor nsPlaceholderFrame code cleanup. r=dholbert
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# [03:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f30b42547a84 - David Keeler - bug 821892 - update "Page Info" -> Permissions for plugin permission differentiation r=jaws
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# [03:35] <KaiRo> roc: if you need any more minidumps, ask if someone is here who has access or let me know - and once the US Monday starts, I'll poke people to give you that access directly
# [03:36] <@roc> I just sent you an email about that
# [03:36] <@roc> I could use some more
# [03:37] <KaiRo> roc: OK, I'll take a look now, before I head to bed :)
# [03:37] <@roc> thanks
# [03:37] <KaiRo> roc: we should have them for 6 months back
# [03:37] <fabrice> KaiRo: do you still have your b2g crashes page?
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# [03:39] <KaiRo> fabrice: yes, it's updated daily, last item on the daily reports of https://crash-analysis.mozilla.com/rkaiser/0000.overview.html
# [03:39] <fabrice> thanks!
# [03:40] <KaiRo> roc: in this case it's good that some people seem to use old versions, so we can still get crashes e.g. for 11.0 :)
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# [03:55] <KaiRo> roc: want me to go through all of those bugs, or only a few for now and you can hopefully get more if needed directly tomorrow?
# [03:56] <@roc> just a few would be ok for now
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# [03:57] <KaiRo> roc: ok, I have pulled a few from the three lowest-bugid bugs on that list, sending those to you now
# [03:57] <@roc> thanks
# [03:58] * @roc wonders if we still have symbols for those builds on the symbol servers
# [03:58] <@roc> guess I'll find out
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# [04:00] <KaiRo> roc: well, I did get those dumps by searching for the signatures, and IIRC we need symbols to get signatures :)
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# [04:44] <philor> sadly funny to read randomorange bugs from when we first started testing, when people would rage and scream because a test had failed four or five times, but hadn't yet been disabled
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# [04:48] <njn> philor: "this testing is getting in the way of me writing more buggy code!"
# [04:48] <Jesse> that must have been before auto-starring and auto-bugzilla-comment-spamming
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# [04:59] <Callek> Jesse: and before tbpl
# [05:00] <Callek> so you had to use Tinderbox's view
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# [08:14] <@roc> heycam: whoa!
# [08:15] <heycam> roc, at least I can avoid worrying about bitrot ;)
# [08:15] <@roc> let's just see if it sticks :-)
# [08:15] <heycam> still need to fix the few bugs off bug 839955 before flipping the pref on too
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# [08:52] <nigelb> Has anyone else noticed a weirdness in the fb messenger button?
# [08:52] <nigelb> It seems to have been in a sprite and no longer in there. So I have a big block of a bunch of icons.
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# [09:22] <NeilAway> mattwoodrow++
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# [10:16] <padenot> roc: pong
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# [10:16] <@roc> we should talk :-)
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# [10:28] <Optimize1> Is there a prize for the maximum number of patches for a bug ?
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# [10:30] <NeilAway> Optimize1: including obsolete patches?
# [10:30] <Optimize1> nope
# [10:30] <Optimize1> the ones who land
# [10:30] <Optimize1> 56 If I counted correctly) for bug 655877
# [10:31] <Optimize1> I know there was a bug with even more, I just don't remember which one
# [10:31] <padenot> dlbi?
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# [10:32] <Optimize1> 55
# [10:32] <Optimize1> close enough
# [10:33] <Optimize1> and seems like only 32 got landed .. ?
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# [10:35] <ferjm> hi! Is it possible to access the profile dir from an .sjs file?
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# [10:42] <Fallen> Our function that should be emitting script warnings now shows a message with [Javascript Warning: … ] in the error console, instead of a real warning. What happened there? We didn't change the code and it worked before?
# [10:42] <Fallen> it seems to work in gecko 18, but not in the current m-c
# [10:43] <Fallen> here is the code: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/calendar/base/src/calUtils.js#947
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# [10:48] <jviereck> is there a whiteboard bugzilla tag for "Please mentor me"?
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# [10:51] <NeilAway> Optimize1: that's impressive
# [10:51] <Optimize1> heycam is to be acknowledged :)
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# [10:53] <Optimize1> there is this makefile removing bug, I think that one has even more
# [10:53] <Optimize1> forgot the number
# [10:54] <Optimize1> the patches have names like 'patch 001', 'patch 002'
# [10:55] <NeilAway> Fallen: just says "Warning: message" when I try
# [10:57] <Fallen> NeilAway: did you call the lightning function or manually? I get this for both cal.WARN and cal.ERROR, and have messages like: [JavaScript Error: "[calCachedCalendar] replay action failed: null, uri=https://zimbra.fatkudu.co.uk/dav/zimbra1@zimbra.fatkudu.co.uk/test%20autodiscovery, result=2147500037, op=[xpconnect wrapped calIOperation]"] as a "message" in the error console
# [10:57] <Fallen> just pulled a few days ago
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# [11:00] <Fallen> that used to be a red error message, without the "[JavaScript Error" part
# [11:01] <NeilAway> Fallen: no, I typed the code into the Error Console
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# [11:01] <jhorak> I've got problem with langpacks xpis on ftp.mozilla.org, what's the right component for bugzilla, please?
# [11:01] <Callek> jhorak: depends on what the problem is
# [11:02] <jhorak> Callek: some xpi's install.rdf are not well-formed.
# [11:02] <Fallen> NeilAway: could you paste exactly what you typed?
# [11:03] <NeilAway> Fallen: sadly I can't paste it, because paste is broken on this remote desktop, but it went like this:
# [11:04] <jhorak> Callek: There's few blank lines on the top of install.rdf file which makes it not-well formed.
# [11:05] <NeilAway> Components.utils.import("resource://gre/modules/Services.jsm"); var scriptError = Components.classes['@mozilla.org/scripterror;1'].createInstance(Components.interfaces.nsIScriptError); scriptError.init("message", null, null, 0, 0, scriptError.warningFlag, "component javascript"); Services.console.logMessage(scriptError);
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# [11:08] <glandium> jhorak: "some xpi's" only ?
# [11:08] <jhorak> glandium: here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837636
# [11:08] <glandium> jhorak: because they should all come from the same file
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# [11:13] <glandium> ah, that could be because of defines.inc
# [11:13] <Fallen> NeilAway: That indeed gives me [JavaScript Warning: "message"] in my comm-central
# [11:14] <Fallen> as a message
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# [11:16] <Fallen> maybe a recent regression
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# [11:19] <Fallen> 374 changesets incoming, I'll just try again next time I update m-c
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# [11:25] <NeilAway> Fallen: I last updated ~2 days ago
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# [11:26] <Fallen> NeilAway: ok, thanks for testing :-)
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# [11:40] <annevk> Why does Firefox not remember my data: URLs?
# [11:41] <annevk> I guess I should search Bugzilla
# [11:41] <annevk> Hmm https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199225 does not sound promising :(
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# [12:17] <edmorley> heycam|away: on the offchance you are around - there's reftest permaorange on winxp
# [12:17] <edmorley> of the unexpected-pass variety
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# [12:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1df0b4b3cd55 - Ed Morley - Bug 655877 - Remove WinXP fails-if for the now passing 580863-1.html; r=me
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# [12:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f315d4e2cd8a - calbld - Added tag CALENDAR_2_1b1_RELEASE for changeset default. CLOSED TREE a=release
# [12:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/182f1244f115 - calbld - Added tag CALENDAR_2_1b1_BUILD1 for changeset default. CLOSED TREE a=release
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# [12:51] <edmorley> looking like the nspr update might be the cause of the shutdown hangs, the rest of the retriggers will tell for sure
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# [13:09] <purezen> Hey guys..!! Half-a-day back I compiled my (possibly..:D) first build of Fennec.. After the process.. I ended up with an objdir of ~5.3 gigs.. (did rm -rf obj.. before..).. but now I don't seem to find the corresponding apk.. can anyone help.. I can show you my log output as well..
# [13:09] <purezen> Here's it..: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93115409/make-log-fennec.txt.zip
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# [13:11] <Ms2ger> purezen, have you done ./mach package?
# [13:12] <edmorley> purezen: believe you need to package the apk
# [13:12] <edmorley> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android#Building_the_code
# [13:12] <edmorley> purezen: and then it will be under objdir-foo/dist/
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# [13:13] <purezen> Thanks guys..!! Am on it..
# [13:13] <edmorley> purezen: so |make package| from the objdir
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# [13:14] <Ms2ger> edmorley, no, ./mach package from the srcdir ;)
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# [13:15] <edmorley> oh sorry misread your first message; yeah I forget mach supports things other than just build
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# [13:16] <edmorley> purezen: in which case Ms2ger's suggestion is the newer/preferred approach
# [13:16] <purezen> edmorley: Yep, doing that..
# [13:16] <edmorley> :-)
# [13:16] <Ms2ger> And good morningish, edmorley :)
# [13:16] <purezen> edmorley: That's cool to know..!!
# [13:17] <edmorley> Ms2ger: and to you :-)
# [13:17] <edmorley> Ms2ger: have a good weekend?
# [13:17] <Ms2ger> I did, thank you :)
# [13:17] <edmorley> :-)
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# [13:18] <nigelb> Has anyone noticed an issue with the Facebook messenger icon in aurora.
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# [14:01] <jimm> ted: ping
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# [14:04] <@ted> jimm: pong
# [14:05] <jimm> ted: hey, mind doing a quick review in bug 790516? We're trying to get metro-build landed this morning.
# [14:05] <glandium> jimm means 790115
# [14:05] <jimm> oops
# [14:05] <glandium> jimm: (and i already asked on #build :) )
# [14:06] <jimm> oh heh, osrry
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# [14:06] <@ted> heh
# [14:06] <@ted> np
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# [14:19] <jimm> thx ted
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# [14:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2d9c75b462f8 - Mike Hommey - Bug 790115 - Create .purgecaches in $(DIST)/bin and $(DIST)/bin/webapprt, and allow to override $(DIST)/bin. r=ted
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# [14:26] <glandium> oh wait, we don't have autoclobber when the CLOBBER file is changed, do we?
# [14:26] <glandium> edmorley: ^
# [14:26] <edmorley> no
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# [14:27] <edmorley> glandium: pending bug 837323
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# [14:30] <NeilAway> odd, did Alice get an incorrect regression range?
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# [14:31] <glandium> edmorley: when inbound reopens, could you merge m-c in it? (but not the other way around, we need to see if new oranges emerge)
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# [14:32] <edmorley> sure
# [14:32] <glandium> thanks
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# [14:32] <edmorley> np
# [14:33] <edmorley> these intermittent win shutdown hangs are annoying :-(
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# [14:33] <edmorley> frequent enough to warrant backing out, but infrequent enough to make finding the range a pita
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# [14:36] <Optimize1> sad. Ctrl Tab Panel is gone. sad
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# [14:37] <edmorley> are other people still getting html bugmail?
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# [14:40] <Optimize1> html bugmail ?
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# [14:41] <glob> edmorley, yes
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# [14:41] <glob> edmorley, are you getting plaintext instead of html, or just not getting bugmail?
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# [14:41] <glob> Optimize1, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/userprefs.cgi "preferred email format" (not recommended if you use gmail)
# [14:41] <edmorley> glob: former; but actually looking at view source the html is there, thunderbird was just displaying plaintext only
# [14:42] <glob> edmorley, nice.
# [14:42] <edmorley> glob: enigmail wizzard changed a bunch of settings, just trying to change them back :-/
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# [14:42] <edmorley> or at least that's the only thing that's changed recently
# [14:42] <Optimize1> glob: why not recommended if I use gmail ?
# [14:43] <glob> edmorley, ahhh. i use s/mime, so not a problem with weird pgp plugins
# [14:43] <glob> Optimize1, because gmail on firefox forces text in <pre> tags to be tiny
# [14:43] <edmorley> oh s/mime is native in thunderbird?
# [14:44] <glob> edmorley, i think so.. it's native in postbox
# [14:44] <glob> edmorley, the interwebs tell me it is
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# [15:03] <baku> RyanVM, pong
# [15:03] <RyanVM> baku: nvm, sorry, I figured out what I was going to ask you
# [15:03] <baku> :) ok!
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# [15:10] <@ted> all janky under nsCacheEntryDescriptor::SetStorage
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# [15:15] <jhorak> Hi all, it's possible to create fake modal hidden window which will close when some async operation (non mozilla code) finish?
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# [15:16] <Jesse> jhorak: from an extension?
# [15:16] <Jesse> jhorak: what do you mean by "create fake modal hidden window" and what are you actually trying to accomplish?
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# [15:18] <glandium> Jesse: looks like he wants to prevent ui interaction
# [15:19] <jhorak> Jesse: part of mozilla code. I'm working on storing master password to system password manager (like gnome-keyring). User can be asked to unlock system storage (gtk dialog). I want the UI refresh while this dialog is opened.
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# [15:20] <KaiRo> chrisccoulson: are you compiling ESR 17 for ubuntu LTS?
# [15:20] <jhorak> glandium: yes, something like this. With ability to stop this prevention when third party gtk dialog is done.
# [15:21] <RyanVM> edmorley: shall I backout bholley?
# [15:21] <bholley> RyanVM: hm?
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# [15:21] <RyanVM> sporadic windows mochitest-1 shutdown hangs
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# [15:21] <RyanVM> looks like they started on your push
# [15:22] <jhorak> nsIPrompt looked good (it can show 'Unlocking keyring... message with Cancel), but I don't know if I can close it.
# [15:22] <glandium> jhorak: check what we do with the gtk file dialog
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# [15:22] <jhorak> glandium: okay, I'll do, thanks
# [15:22] <bholley> RyanVM: I'd be surprised, but you never know, I guess
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# [15:22] <edmorley> RyanVM: they started before
# [15:23] <edmorley> first instance now 1646e649878a
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# [15:23] <edmorley> the range has been sneaking backwards
# [15:23] <RyanVM> just saw the wall of green retriggers under his :-\
# [15:23] <bholley> whew
# [15:24] <edmorley> just retriggered yet more on 3d1f6503a869
# [15:24] <smontagu> Jesse: ping
# [15:24] <glandium> do we have a standard way to get the windows drive letter from a nsIFile ?
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# [15:24] <Jesse> smontagu: pong
# [15:24] <RyanVM> edmorley: i somehow wouldn't be surprised if it were the webrtc update
# [15:25] <smontagu> Jesse, I was wondering if you could help me work out how to reproduce the assertions in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=eb20f027b73e
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# [15:25] <RyanVM> except that's on m-c too
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# [15:26] <smontagu> Jesse: there are 100s of ###!!! ASSERTION: These should always be in sync!: 'slowNode == node', file ../../../dist/include/nsINode.h, line 799
# [15:26] <smontagu> and they come in batches, with CC in the stack
# [15:27] <Jesse> smontagu: "run the crashtest suite"?
# [15:28] * smontagu has run various individual directories, but not the whole thing
# [15:28] * smontagu tries that
# [15:28] <edmorley> oh for crying out loud, why is it so hard to create and import a self-signed s/mime into thunderbird, I'm now getting Error: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIX509CertDB.importCertsFromFile] Source File: chrome://pippki/content/certManager.js Line: 583
# [15:29] <Jesse> smontagu: if it depends on when CC runs, you could try forcing a CC after or between each test
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# [15:29] <smontagu> Jesse: but it has to run *sometime* surely
# [15:29] <smontagu> I mean, sometime while the tests are running
# [15:30] <Jesse> if you just run a few tests, it could plausibly only happen during shutdown
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# [15:37] <Archae|mobile> edmorley: do you try to replace an older one?
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# [15:38] <RyanVM> edmorley: 1646e649878a is suspicious, but we haven't seen these hangs on m-c/b2g18/b2g18_v1_0_0 AFAICT
# [15:38] <@ted> does anyone here know how to interpret the results of mozilla::Telemetry::AccumulateTimeDelta?
# [15:38] <RyanVM> edmorley: I'm going to trigger a bunch of M1 runs on b2g18_v1_0_0 as well
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# [15:39] <edmorley> Archae|mobile: no, just trying to use a self-signed s/mime for bugzilla securemail so I can ditch enigmail seeing as s/mime is native to thunderbird
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# [15:47] <Jesse> my money is on TinderboxPushlog Robot
# [15:47] <Ms2ger> Clever man
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# [15:48] <Jesse> 12 people haven't un-cced themselves!?
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# [15:52] <RyanVM> Jesse: some of us are gluttons for punishment (or have good GMail filters set up)
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# [15:54] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Guess what? I tried the whole ultra-tab-amount thing. Worked for about a day. Then I lost it. Make to 1 tab now. Feels so much better. :)
# [15:55] <JosiahOne> Make to 1 tab? I meant Back to 1 tab now.
# [15:56] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: I'm not sure how you do it...
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# [15:56] <Ms2ger> Ignore a lot :)
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# [15:57] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Yeah, but I kept accidentally forgetting to refresh the tabs, missed comments. Found it was just faster to use bookmarks and navigate between what I needed. (I only ever got to ~100 tabs)
# [15:58] <Ms2ger> Ah, I just read bugmail for new comments
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# [15:58] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Yeah, that's how I noticed the comments… After I carried over feedback flag, which apparently was addressed. Oops.
# [15:58] <annevk> Reading confidential bugmail through Gmail is not really a thing it seems? I saw there was a discontinued plugin...
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# [15:59] <JosiahOne> annevk: I didn't know there was confidential bug mail.
# [16:00] <@ted> JosiahOne: bugmail for security bugs is sent PGP encrypted
# [16:00] <@ted> if you don't have a PGP public key stored in bugzilla you don't get bugmail
# [16:00] <JosiahOne> ted: Oh, that's right. Security bugs.
# [16:00] <@ted> (well, you get a mail telling you a secure bug has been updated, but not the content)
# [16:00] <JosiahOne> Forgot about those.
# [16:00] <glob> * pgp or s/mime
# [16:01] <JosiahOne> It's not like we ever have security flaws… Right. :)
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# [16:08] <edmorley> glob: thank you glob, that worked :-)
# [16:08] <glob> edmorley, yw :)
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# [16:15] <jcranmer> well, bugzilla will happily send encrypted mail via a self-signed S/MIME certificate
# [16:15] <glob> jcranmer, yup
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# [16:16] <glob> i don't think proving identity of the certificate owner is an issue in this scenario
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# [16:17] <jcranmer> RyanVM: I'm about 50% of the way to showing S/MIME-encrytped email in the browser
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# [16:17] <RyanVM> jcranmer++
# [16:18] * jcranmer is rewriting Thunderbird's mime parser fro scratch in JS
# [16:18] <jcranmer> well, ES:harmony
# [16:18] <annevk> jcranmer: is someone writing a proper standard for it too?
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# [16:19] <jcranmer> there's no way I can write this without my destructuring assignments, ES Map, and array comprehensions
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# [16:19] <jcranmer> annevk: antecedent of `it'?
# [16:19] <annevk> MIME
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# [16:20] <annevk> admittedly I don't really know, but I've heard email standards are crap
# [16:20] <jcranmer> nope, no proper standard
# [16:20] <jcranmer> but I am meticulously documenting every deviation from the standard I make
# [16:21] <Jesse> harmony++
# [16:21] <jcranmer> also, non-BMP characters are a royal pain in the rear
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# [16:25] <froydnj> ted: what's this about interpreting AccumulateTimeDelta?
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# [16:28] <annevk> jcranmer: kudos for dealing with them anyway
# [16:28] <annevk> Are we implementing the ES i18n APIs?
# [16:30] <jcranmer> annevk: I discovered our current implementation is all too happy to split up UTF-16 surrogates
# [16:30] * jcranmer is relying on http://encoding.spec.whatwg.org for i18n for the moment
# [16:31] <smontagu> annevk: bug 837963
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# [16:32] <@ted> froydnj: so i hit some jank, profiled it, and found that it was all in cache code
# [16:32] <@ted> the cache locking is already telemetry-instrumented
# [16:32] <@ted> so i looked at the histogram, but i don't know what i'm looking at
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# [16:35] <@ted> froydnj: http://bit.ly/YRsKsY
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# [16:35] <@ted> is the telemetry data in particular
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# [16:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d509e44cae3e - Ed Morley - Backout 1646e649878a (bug 835698) on suspicion of causing mochitest-1 shutdown hangs on Windows on a rather sad looking CLOSED TREE
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# [16:51] <glandium> https://plus.google.com/u/0/112648813199640203443/posts/7LrVTf43yz8 heh
# [16:52] <JosiahOne> glandium: That's what I'm talking about.
# [16:52] <JosiahOne> "My personal guess would be that Google still supports XP because they don't have any more modern windows machines :D"
# [16:53] <JosiahOne> That's great. Google does use mostly Macs though...
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# [16:55] <edmorley> bit like mozilla then... *cough*
# [16:56] <JosiahOne> edmorley: Yeah. Mostly because Windows is so … Wait for it…. Slow.
# [16:56] <JosiahOne> At least that is why I don't use it.
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# [16:56] <edmorley> JosiahOne: I mean as opposed to linux/windows, not windows specifically
# [16:57] <JosiahOne> edmoreley: Although, my Mac is dual-booted OS X and Ubuntu.
# [16:57] <JosiahOne> But I hardly ever use Ubuntu.
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# [16:57] <JosiahOne> But it isn't bad.
# [16:57] <edmorley> my main issue is that Apple know very well that many devs are going to pick a Mac simply because it's the only platform that can run all three (hackintosh excepted)
# [16:58] <edmorley> so have them over a barrel with regards the hardware
# [16:58] <JosiahOne> edmorley: Yep, that is true. I got one primarily for cocoa development. Not because the hardware or even software was superb.
# [16:59] <jcranmer> if apple ever let you put OS X in a VM...
# [16:59] <JosiahOne> jcranmer: I've seen people do it. But it isn't easy, and requires a trip to TPB.
# [16:59] <froydnj> ted: what do you want to know?
# [16:59] <@ted> froydnj: i just have no idea what that histogram says
# [16:59] <edmorley> JosiahOne: offtopic, but take it you don't use tab complete? (my nick above)
# [16:59] <froydnj> ted: judging by the histogram, it's pretty unusual that you'd be hitting jank there
# [16:59] <edmorley> :-)
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# [17:00] <JosiahOne> edmorley: tab complete?
# [17:00] <@ted> froydnj: okay
# [17:00] <@ted> froydnj: for my information, how do i read that histogram?
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# [17:00] <froydnj> ted: it's telling you that ~99%+ of the submissions for that histogram have latencies under 10ms
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# [17:00] <edmorley> JosiahOne: type first few characters of an IRC nickname, press tab and it autocompletes the rest based on who is in the channel
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# [17:00] <edmorley> avoids typos (which mean the person won't get pinged, eg above)
# [17:00] <@ted> okay
# [17:01] <@ted> froydnj: where did you get the 10ms from?
# [17:01] <@ted> is that just something that's hardcoded into measurements like this?
# [17:01] <JosiahOne> edmorley: Sweet, I actually do. I didn't know about that.
# [17:01] <froydnj> ted: the x-axis in in ms
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# [17:01] <froydnj> yeah, the units are just understood from the code
# [17:01] <@ted> ah
# [17:01] <froydnj> we should really add the measurement metadata somewhere =/
# [17:01] <@ted> that would be swell, but thanks
# [17:02] <@ted> okay, it is pretty odd that i was janking there
# [17:02] <@ted> guess i'll file a bug
# [17:02] <@ted> since i have a profile
# [17:02] <glandium> jcranmer: it's supported now, provided you have a mac (haha)
# [17:02] <JosiahOne> Hehe.
# [17:02] <glandium> before lion, it was plain forbidden
# [17:02] <froydnj> oftentimes the units are are in the histogram name (FOO_MS, READ_BYTES), but not always
# [17:02] <glandium> breach of EULA forbidden
# [17:02] <jcranmer> glandium: so they're halfway there....
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# [17:03] <glandium> jcranmer: but you still can't run a VM with an older OSX than Lion, which, for developers, can be a PITA
# [17:03] <@smaug> argh, clobber build again
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# [17:03] <@smaug> why do we require clobbering so often
# [17:03] <JosiahOne> Oh boy… I get to wait almost an hour for this build. Wish I had some coffee.
# [17:04] * JosiahOne Seriously needs to pick some up at the store.
# [17:04] <jimm> smaug: in this particular case, splitting up app and gre
# [17:04] <@ted> smaug: because it's hard to get really accurate dependencies
# [17:04] <glandium> smaug: in this particular case, because if you don't clobber your build will have serious problems
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# [17:06] <glandium> jcranmer: yeah, this one is really rm -rf dist
# [17:06] <glandium> jcranmer: but in practice, rm -rf dist is almost a full clobber on windows
# [17:07] <jcranmer> which is annoying for people like me who keep stuff in config/myconfig.mk
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# [17:07] <glandium> and probably on other platforms as well
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# [17:07] <glandium> jcranmer: waw, there are people using myconfig.mk
# [17:08] <jcranmer> it's because I gave up keeping a permapatch in my queue touching config.mk
# [17:08] <jcranmer> well, rules.mk
# [17:08] <glandium> jcranmer: what for?
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# [17:08] <Bas> What is the magic again to mark a push as not part of the build and no get its own built? Just DONT BUILD?
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# [17:10] <jcranmer> glandium: working ctags
# [17:10] <jimm> DONTBUILD
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# [17:13] <firebot> ehsan was last seen 4 days, 18 hours, 59 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying 'roc: sure thing!' in #developers.
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# [17:14] <@ted> froydnj: one more question
# [17:14] <@ted> froydnj: that telemetry is "accumulated lock wait time"?
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# [17:16] <jimm> which builds use browser/config/mozconfigs/win32/release ?
# [17:16] <jimm> on mc?
# [17:16] <@ted> jimm: nothing on mc
# [17:16] <@ted> release builds otherwise
# [17:16] <jimm> ok, thought so
# [17:16] <@ted> definitely beta/release, not sure if anything on aurora either
# [17:16] <froydnj> ted: just to be sure, the histogram is CACHE_SERVICE_LOCK_WAIT_MAINTHREAD_NSCACHEENTRYDESCRIPTOR_SETSTORAGE_POLICY?
# [17:17] <froydnj> that's what the link says it ought to be, anyway
# [17:17] <@ted> yes
# [17:18] <@ted> i filed bug 840086 with the profile link
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# [17:18] <froydnj> ted: ok, so that's measuring the lock time on the main thread for a particular function
# [17:19] <@ted> right
# [17:19] <@ted> my profile shows me janked on that particular function
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# [17:20] <froydnj> wonder what your about:telemetry looks like for the cache locks in general
# [17:20] <@ted> i restarted since that profile was collected
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# [17:20] <froydnj> =/
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# [17:21] <@ted> but the histogram for that measurement goes all the way out to 226
# [17:21] <@ted> 144 samples, average = 5.4, sum = 775
# [17:21] <@ted> we need a way to copy an ascii histogram to the clipboard in about:telemetry
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# [17:22] <froydnj> file bug, please, and cc me and :vladan
# [17:22] <froydnj> see, that histogram sounds pretty normal
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# [17:24] <darkowlzz> hi, I just ran |make mochitest-plain| and got this error: XML Parsing Error: undefined entity
# [17:24] <darkowlzz> Location: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
# [17:24] <darkowlzz> Line Number 1750, Column 15: <menuitem id="sanitizeItem"
# [17:24] <darkowlzz> --------------^
# [17:24] <darkowlzz> is everything alright? ^
# [17:25] <@ted> froydnj: wouldn't 226ms be a noticeable lag?
# [17:25] <@ted> i mean, i guess it's only one sample at that level
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# [17:25] <mbrubeck> darkowlzz: I'm not sure, but it looks like maybe you shoul try rebuilding the browser (make -C browser)...
# [17:26] <darkowlzz> mbrubeck: inside objdir?
# [17:26] <@ted> froydnj: already filed, bug 840086
# [17:26] <mbrubeck> darkowlzz: Yes... (or do "make -C /path/to/objdir/browser")
# [17:26] <froydnj> ted: yeah, 226 would be noticeable
# [17:26] <froydnj> ted: \o/ thanks
# [17:26] <jdm> ps, use mach instead
# [17:26] <jdm> ./mach build browser/
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# [17:26] <mbrubeck> "mach build browser"
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# [17:29] <froydnj> ted: ah, did you want to file a bug for the ascii histograms in about:telemetry, or shall I?
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# [17:29] <@ted> froydnj: i can file that
# [17:29] <@ted> what component is about:telemetry?
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# [17:30] <froydnj> I don't think we have a separate component for it; Toolkit/Telemetry should be fine as a stopgap
# [17:30] <froydnj> ted: thanks
# [17:30] <@ted> okay
# [17:30] <@ted> np
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# [17:31] <@bsmedberg> In a JSM, is there a correct way to say "Is this parameter that got passed to me a String"?
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# [17:31] <@bsmedberg> IIRC, you can't just do "val instanceof String" because of the multiple globals involved.
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# [17:34] <mbrubeck> bsmedberg: (typeof val == "string") ?
# [17:34] <jcranmer> typeof foo === "string" ?
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# [17:35] <jcranmer> how many kilos?
# [17:35] <@bsmedberg> does that work across globals?
# [17:35] <mbrubeck> yes
# [17:35] <jcranmer> well, if it doesn't, a lot of my code is broken
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# [17:56] <dougt> jduell: hey
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# [17:56] <dougt> would you be the right person to review a UDP implementation in neck?
# [17:56] <dougt> necko too.
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# [18:15] <jduell> dougt: probably honza (:mayhemer) or :mcmanus
# [18:15] <dougt> i sent mail
# [18:15] <dougt> thanks though.
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# [18:15] <dougt> hah.
# [18:15] <dougt> i don't understand why we have a postal service to begin with. :)
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# [18:28] <xreal> Is it normal? My FX 19 shows "Gecko/20100101" in user-agent...
# [18:28] <RyanVM> xreal: yes
# [18:28] <xreal> RyanVM: I tried to google, but I can't find a reason for this. Can you explain it to me?
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# [18:29] <RyanVM> xreal: so sites wouldn't try to sniff it
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# [18:30] <nemo> UA strings are such a train wreck of stuff like that :)
# [18:30] <xreal> RyanVM: Oh, so a stable FX-version shows the same Gecko build?
# [18:31] <RyanVM> build date, yes
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# [18:31] <RyanVM> the major version should still show as whatever release Gecko is on
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# [18:31] <xreal> RyanVM: build date, of course.
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# [18:32] <xreal> I'm pretty sad, there is no function to switch between the channels :)
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# [18:32] <RyanVM> xreal: bug 591537, fyi
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# [18:32] <xreal> RyanVM: ah, 2010 :)
# [18:33] <RyanVM> yeah, been that way for awhile now
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# [18:34] <xreal> RyanVM: But since the UA says "Firefox/19.0", isn't that reason enough to sniff? :)
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# [18:34] <RyanVM> better than a date, IMO
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# [18:35] <RyanVM> at least a major version is consistent across Gecko releases
# [18:35] <RyanVM> build date can be arbitrary
# [18:35] <xreal> RyanVM: so Gecko actually *is* built in 2010? Sorry, I'm confused now :)
# [18:35] <RyanVM> (example - an esr17 release with a build date > firefox 18)
# [18:35] <xreal> was*
# [18:35] <RyanVM> no, it's a frozen date
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# [18:36] <xreal> RyanVM: I need to write the complete bug to understand it.
# [18:36] <xreal> READ!
# [18:36] <xreal> damn :)
# [18:37] <xreal> I can't agree with the arguments on this page...
# [18:37] <xreal> "That's not the common use case, AFAIK. Sites don't care about your browser's release date."
# [18:37] <RyanVM> xreal: the idea was (as I recall) that if sites are going to resort to sniffing, better to go off the gecko version rather than the date the build was made. It also reduces the amount of identifiable information sent to sites
# [18:37] <xreal> That was the logic, 3 years ago.
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# [18:37] <RyanVM> (also why the patch version isn't shown)
# [18:38] <@ted> xreal: lots of sites would break every year because they hadn't updated their build ID sniffing
# [18:38] <@ted> so we'd release something with "2013" in there and they'd break
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# [18:38] <xreal> Ah okay :)
# [18:39] <@smaug> I see 'r' in tryserver, but not in m-c tbpl
# [18:39] <@smaug> are failures in r expected?
# [18:39] <RyanVM> smaug: &noignore=1?
# [18:39] <RyanVM> if they're hidden on m-c, probably :P
# [18:39] <xreal> @ted: But why didn't they break at Firefox/15.0a1 ? It is showing Gecko/20120427.
# [18:39] <sfink> smaug: yes, they are expected, and should be hidden
# [18:40] <xreal> @ted: Firefox 16.0 (Win 8 64) shows Gecko/16.0
# [18:40] <sfink> smaug: the 'r' builds should only be kicked off when touching js/src
# [18:40] <@smaug> ok, thanks
# [18:40] <@ted> xreal: beats me
# [18:40] <@smaug> sfink: hmm
# [18:40] <@ted> all UA sniffing is a trainwreck
# [18:40] <@smaug> sfink: I'm not touching js/src
# [18:40] <@smaug> but yet get them in try
# [18:40] <sfink> I'm getting closer to fixing the dang things, but the last problem is looking like maybe a compiler bug, as much as I hate to blame things on the compiler
# [18:40] <sfink> smaug: link me to a push?
# [18:40] <xreal> @ted: it makes users like me feel insecure. I thought, any addons messed around with my settings.
# [18:41] <@ted> all i can tell you is that we've seen things break because of sniffing the date
# [18:41] <@smaug> sfink: perhaps js/xpconnect is enough?
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# [18:41] <@smaug> sfink: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=6cc8ea4ad19e
# [18:41] <@ted> xreal: i think the percentage of users that actually look at the user-agent is pretty low
# [18:42] <@dolske> ted sure knows a lot about UA issues. New module peer!
# [18:42] <joe> ugh
# [18:42] <xreal> RyanVM & @ted: Thanks for your information. It was really useful!
# [18:42] <joe> RefPtr doesn't participate in XPCOM reference counting
# [18:42] <sfink> smaug: no, you pulled in glandium's change that touched js/src
# [18:42] <joe> so you just end up with mysterious 2 reference AddRefs
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# [18:43] <@ted> dolske: man if you applied that logic i would own a lot more than i already do
# [18:43] <@smaug> sfink: ok, thanks
# [18:43] * @ted has been around too long
# [18:43] <@ted> sfink: hrmph, i should fix that bug i filed for gkw and we should get stacks out of those crahes
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# [18:44] <RyanVM> edmorley: so much for that idea
# [18:44] <sfink> ted: what crashes? jit-tests crashes? That would indeed be awesome.
# [18:44] <edmorley> RyanVM: aaaaand after the backout we still have hangs
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# [18:44] <edmorley> indeed
# [18:44] <xreal> to all: thanks for "Click-to-Play". It saves a lot of trouble!
# [18:44] <@ted> sfink: yeah, i filed a bug on building breakpad as a shared library so we could just LD_PRELOAD it into the JS shell and get minidumps out
# [18:44] <RyanVM> edmorley: don't worry, I'm sure we can get someone to look at it with top priority
# [18:45] <sfink> technically, the value is in "Don't Click to Not Play" :)
# [18:45] <edmorley> lol
# [18:45] <RyanVM> (did I say that out loud?)
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# [18:45] <RyanVM> edmorley: on the other hand, I suppose that if we kept the tree closed :P
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# [19:00] <jlebar> smaug: ping
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# [19:00] <@smaug> jlebar: pong
# [19:00] <evilpie> logically they are the same, though !click = !play == click = play
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# [19:01] <jlebar> smaug: hey. I'm trying to register a message-manager listener from C++, but it's not getting called as I expect.
# [19:01] <jlebar> smaug: We're sending the message from dom/messages/SystemMessageManager.js ; search for HandleMessageDone.
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# [19:01] <@smaug> in principal mm is js only api..
# [19:02] <jlebar> smaug: I did see that warning.... :)
# [19:02] <jlebar> smaug: I'm trying to listen to the message from ContentParent.cpp, doing AddMessageListener on ContentParent::mMessageManager.
# [19:02] <jlebar> smaug: what's the right way to do this?
# [19:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/9742d805f54b - Gavin Sharp - Bug 838864: disable keyword.URL reset prompt while we sort out conflicts with some partner add-ons, r=fryn, a=akeybl
# [19:03] <Waldo> if xreal ever returns, someone should mention to him that we might remove the builddate from the UA at some point, if we can work through the sites that are sniffing for it -- even tried, once, but we hadn't worked through enough of the sites at the time to stick the landing
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# [19:04] <@smaug> jlebar: nsIMessageListener is JS only as the documentation says, so you need to add something very unusual ...
# [19:05] <jlebar> smaug: I can change how the notification is sent, if that makes things any better.
# [19:05] <@smaug> jlebar: you'd need to wrap your C++ listener to some JS stuff
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# [19:05] <@smaug> jlebar: mm API is explicitly JS only atm
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# [19:06] <@smaug> as the documentation says
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# [19:06] <jlebar> smaug: well, I guess I could fire an observer and have the ContentChild call into the ContentParent.
# [19:06] <@smaug> jlebar: you could change nsFrameMessageManager::ReceiveMessage
# [19:07] <@smaug> and nsIMessageListener
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# [19:07] <jlebar> smaug: Hm; that's a lot of JSAPI.
# [19:07] <@smaug> so that nsIMessageListener::receiveMessage would take some C++ param
# [19:07] <@khuey> Europe's obsession with verified by visa is really annoying
# [19:07] <@khuey> it never works and then I have to pay with my American Express :-P
# [19:08] <edmorley> it works if you sign up for it
# [19:08] <edmorley> but I guess if it's not used in the US then you won't have done
# [19:08] <@smaug> jlebar: I don't understand what kind of data you'd expect to get in C++
# [19:08] <jlebar> smaug: What do you mean?
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# [19:08] <@khuey> edmorley: well the interesting part is that I can never sign up for it when I'm in Europe
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# [19:09] <@khuey> and of course nothing uses it in the US, so I can't sign up there
# [19:09] * @khuey could probably solve this problem via VPN
# [19:09] <edmorley> khuey: I think your bank has to support it
# [19:09] <@smaug> jlebar: if you add a listener, when the listener is called, what kind of data should the message have
# [19:09] <jlebar> smaug: In my case, I'm happy to ignore all the data. That's not 100% correct, but it's good enough for my case.
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# [19:12] <pranavrc> bz, ping
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# [19:13] <@bz> pranavrc: ack
# [19:13] <@bz> smaug: so the new event dispatch stuff seems to be slower...
# [19:13] * @bz measures why
# [19:13] <@smaug> bz: odd
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# [19:13] <@smaug> bz: s/dispatch/handling/
# [19:14] <@smaug> the test has wrong title
# [19:14] <@bz> smaug: ah
# [19:14] <@bz> smaug: well, I get...
# [19:14] <@bz> avg of 30 results (total tests 50) : 322.93333333333334ms
# [19:14] <@bz> vs...
# [19:14] <@bz> avg of 30 results (total tests 50) : 228.03333333333333ms
# [19:14] <@smaug> hey, so, hmmm, nsCxPushing
# [19:14] <@bz> smaug: quite possible!
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# [19:14] <@smaug> we optimize that pretty heavily in the current setup
# [19:15] <@bz> smaug: mmm
# [19:15] * @bz just profiles
# [19:15] <@smaug> repush only if needed
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# [19:15] <@smaug> that is huge difference..
# [19:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/96c341954032 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 836455: Sanity-check the result of 'fread()' in nptest.cpp to fix opt build warning. r=bsmedberg
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# [19:15] <@bz> smaug: yes, indeed. ;)
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# [19:17] <@bz> smaug: let's take it to #content
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# [19:18] <pranavrc> bz, ah hey, just a couple of doubts about the WebIDL bug (bug 836816). http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2132002 So, the parser starts with Foo, checks if Foo1 is a dictionary, and starts checking Foo1's members if they include Foo. Problem, though, is that Foo's scope is unresolved.
# [19:18] <pranavrc> bug 836816
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# [19:18] <pranavrc> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836816
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# [19:20] <@bz> pranavrc: where are you putting this code?
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# [19:20] <@bz> pranavrc: inside finish? Or inside validate?
# [19:20] <pranavrc> bz, finish
# [19:20] <@bz> OK, put it in validate
# [19:20] <@bz> That has the best chance of fixing that particular problem.
# [19:21] <pranavrc> bz, right, i'll do that. Also, when dealing with nullable types and array types, I haven't taken the high road. I'm instead just splitting the types out into a list of strings and checking if the dictionary's type is in it. Sound hacky?
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# [19:22] <edmorley> RyanVM: more green retriggers on things that should have gone orange, given the backout didn;t work
# [19:22] <edmorley> this is a joke
# [19:22] <@bz> pranavrc: Yes
# [19:22] <RyanVM> edmorley: yep
# [19:22] <@bz> pranavrc: For nullable and sequence and whatnot types, just look at the .inner
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# [19:23] <pranavrc> bz, yeah, but since the inner could be a builtin/union/array/etc, I couldn't find a common way to check if the dictionary is in there
# [19:24] <@bz> Sure
# [19:24] <RyanVM> edmorley: I don't understand why we aren't seeing it on m-c either, unless we just need to retrigger more to see it. Anyway, at what point do we file this and re-open?
# [19:24] <@bz> you basically have to have an if cascade
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# [19:26] <edmorley> RyanVM: there haven't been many pushes on m-c I guess
# [19:26] <edmorley> RyanVM: up to you about reopening, I'm starving, need to eat
# [19:26] <pranavrc> bz, right, i'll do that and get back, thanks :)
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# [19:27] <edmorley|away> RyanVM: I suspect we may just have to resort to filing tbh
# [19:27] <spohl> how can I find out more about our performance tests and if a particular patch causes performance regressions?
# [19:27] <spohl> for example, this was caused by a checkin and subsequent backout of a patch last week:
# [19:28] <edmorley|away> RyanVM: but frustrating given how long the tree has already been closed & how annoying this failure is going to be over the next umpteen weeks before someone cares enough to look into it for us
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# [19:28] <spohl> http://tinyurl.com/avrfuy9
# [19:29] <RyanVM> edmorley|away: Yeah. I guess that if this was a non-Gecko change causing it, we'd be seeing it across other trees and old csets as well
# [19:29] <@bz> pranavrc: thank _you_!
# [19:29] <spohl> I'd like to understand what this test does, and I'd like to run the performance tests on my patches before submitting
# [19:29] <spohl> is this possible?
# [19:29] <RyanVM> edmorley: honestly, I'm not sure what to even file this under
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# [19:31] <edmorley|away> RyanVM: core::general
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# [19:31] <RyanVM> aka "the black hole"
# [19:31] <dholbert> spohl, probably. not all of our talos page-sets are public, but I think that one is
# [19:31] <RyanVM> lizzard to the rescue!
# [19:31] <RyanVM> :D
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# [19:32] <lizzard> who me what where?
# [19:32] <dholbert> spohl, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos/Tests#tsvg-opacity is (some of) the documentation for that test
# [19:32] <RyanVM> edmorley: anyway, I'll file, re-land, and re-open
# [19:32] <RyanVM> in that order
# [19:32] <jhammel> dholbert, spohl : sadly, probably all of the documentation for it
# [19:32] <jhammel> although you can read the test and I'm happy to explain how talos works
# [19:32] <lizzard> One does not just walk in to core::general
# [19:33] <dholbert> spohl, and that links to https://hg.mozilla.org/build/talos/file/tip/talos/page_load_test/svg which has the actual test files
# [19:33] <dholbert> spohl, and jhammel and/or the rest of that page can tell you (I think) how to run the test
# [19:33] <jhammel> myself and jmaher, yep
# [19:33] <jhammel> running it should be easy
# [19:33] <dholbert> see also https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos/Running
# [19:33] <jhammel> figuring out how to compare results to production? not so much
# [19:34] <dholbert> comparing 2 local test runs should be easy though
# [19:34] <spohl> dholbert, jhammel: great, this should get me started. thank you!
# [19:34] <jhammel> well, certainly easy-*er* :)
# [19:34] <Optimizer> a 9 yr old bug fix \m/
# [19:34] <jhammel> spohl: np, we're around, #ateam is our home channel but whereever is appropriate
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# [19:35] <evilpie> i think somebody accidentally checked in this file https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/file/d509e44cae3e/toolkit/crashreporter/google-breakpad/src/tools/mac/dump_syms/dump_syms.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj.orig
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# [19:36] <dholbert> ted, ^
# [19:36] <RyanVM> evilpie: pretty sure that was brought to ted's attention already
# [19:36] <spohl> jhammel: thanks for the channel! should come in handy while I'm figuring this out
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# [19:36] <@ted> yeah, ms2ger was going to rm that
# [19:36] <@ted> not a big deal either way
# [19:36] <@ted> we don't even use that xcode project
# [19:36] <jhammel> spohl: np; thanks for weeding through years of poor documentation habits
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# [19:39] <nsm> mochitest SpecialPowers doesn't allow me to SpecialPowers.Cu.import("resource://testing-common/httpd.js"). Is there a workaround for this?
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# [19:39] <nsm> i can't just drop a SJS file in the relative location since I need a certain path to trigger it
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# [19:40] <nsm> to clarify: i have a DOM API (so need mochitest)
# [19:40] <nsm> when the DOM API calls a function
# [19:40] <nsm> Chrome code makes an XHR to a server
# [19:40] <nsm> i want to use httpd.js to simulate that server
# [19:40] <nsm> should i just write a chrome test?
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# [19:41] <jmaher> nsm: mochitest already has a webserver running that supports .sjs
# [19:41] <jmaher> it runs httpd.js via xpcshell in a seperate process
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# [19:41] <nsm> yes, but i want a specific path '/v1/register' to hit my sjs file and not the actual path to the sjs file
# [19:41] <nsm> so I wanted to use registerPathHandler
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# [19:42] <jmaher> ok
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# [19:42] <tbsaunde> does anyone see what the error is in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=c317913afc9e ?
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# [19:43] <jmaher> tbsaunde: I see something that says free-space-clobber
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# [19:43] <@bz> http://xkcd.com/1172/
# [19:44] <@bz> That is so spot on. ;)
# [19:44] <tbsaunde> jmaher: hwhat?
# [19:44] <dholbert> tbsaunde, find: `build/obj-firefox/dist': No such file or directory
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# [19:44] <dholbert> tbsaunde, that's the first 'exit code [nonzero]' that I can find in the log
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# [19:44] <dholbert> tbsaunde, no idea why that would happen, though
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# [19:46] <purezen> Hey guys..!! How do I change the location of ccache storage..? Something to do with 'CCACHE_DIR'..??
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# [19:46] <Waldo> nsm: why is there a specific path requirement?
# [19:46] <dholbert> purezen, you need to set that environmental variable, yes
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# [19:47] <nsm> Waldo: the specification for the web API says so
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# [19:47] <purezen> dholbert: Thanks..!! But how..?? I don't want to edit it everytime..
# [19:47] <Waldo> er, what?
# [19:48] <dholbert> purezen, what OS are you on?
# [19:48] <Waldo> (rhetorical)
# [19:48] <purezen> dholbert: Am using Ubuntu 12.10 x64..
# [19:49] <dholbert> purezen, edit your .bash_aliases file in your home directory, and add export CCACHE_DIR=/path/to/wherever/you/want/your/ccache
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# [19:49] <Waldo> nsm: what spec is this, exactly?
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# [19:50] <dholbert> purezen, e.g. I have this in my .bash_aliases: export CCACHE_DIR=/scratch/work/builds/.ccache
# [19:50] <Waldo> specific path requirements seem pretty unfriendly to developers, and pretty unlike most other web stuff
# [19:50] <dholbert> purezen, then, any terminal windows you open after that point should pick that up & honor it
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# [19:51] <nsm> Waldo: the URL is handled by the browser, not exposed to DOM, https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/SimplePush/ServerAPI#Registration
# [19:51] <nsm> somewhat like Fx Sync has hardcoded API
# [19:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/729fe49f9e1f - Dão Gottwald - Bug 670684 - Remove all tabs panel code . r=gavin
# [19:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/784b9beebe90 - Mike Hommey - Bug 755724 - Move browser application in a subdirectory. r=jimm
# [19:51] <purezen> dholbert: ok.. but I can't find any bash_aliases file there.. do I need to make one..?
# [19:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d9c75b462f8 - Mike Hommey - Bug 790115 - Create .purgecaches in $(DIST)/bin and $(DIST)/bin/webapprt, and allow to override $(DIST)/bin. r=ted
# [19:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/96c341954032 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 836455: Sanity-check the result of 'fread()' in nptest.cpp to fix opt build warning. r=bsmedberg
# [19:52] <dholbert> purezen, I thought ubuntu makes one for you. note that the filename begins with "."
# [19:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93ba23f414ff - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
# [19:52] <bhearsum> if people are seeing weird errors like "can't find file X', that's probably a result of the build directory naming change i just landed - a rebuild should fix them
# [19:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ad49bd35d558 - Ben Turner - Bug 835698 - 'Pre-open() and send the fd for app process's application.zip'. r=jduell.
# [19:52] <dholbert> tbsaunde, ^^^ what bhearsum said
# [19:52] <dholbert> tbsaunde, in other words: try again and it should work :)
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# [19:52] <dholbert> tbsaunde, (or maybe retrigger and it should work)
# [19:53] <purezen> dholbert: I can only find a .bashrc..
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# [19:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bcff3820f704 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 839033 - Rename nsHTMLProgressElement to HTMLProgressElement. r=Ms2ger
# [19:53] <dholbert> purezen, ok, go ahead and create .bash_aliases then. (Double-check that your .bashrc mentions .bash_aliases inside of it, too)
# [19:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a1aa2cbe096 - Ms2ger - Bug 839033 - HTMLProgressElement cleanup. r=mounir
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# [19:54] <dholbert> purezen, (.bashrc should check for .bash_aliases and use it if it's present)
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# [19:54] <dholbert> (the default ubuntu .bashrc does, at least)
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# [19:55] <purezen> dholbert: ok.. yep.. It mentions it in the .bashrc file.. to make one i.e...:)
# [19:55] <dholbert> cool
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# [19:56] <dholbert> purezen, after you've done that, just open a new terminal, verify that "echo $CCACHE_DIR" prints out the directory that you set, and then run "ccache -M 8G" or however big you want it to be
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# [20:00] <purezen> dholbert: Yep.. it does that..:) But it has started adding this to the command prompt: 'bash: //: Is a directory'..
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# [20:01] <dholbert> purezen, did you add a line with "//" to your .bash_aliases?
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# [20:01] <purezen> ahmm..
# [20:01] <dholbert> purezen, // is not a comment prefix in bash; # is the comment prefix
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# [20:01] <purezen> :D :D...
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# [20:03] <JosiahOne> spohl: Ping.
# [20:03] <spohl> JosiahOne: pong
# [20:04] <JosiahOne> spohl: When you said, "I would like to see this done in CSS still", where you suggesting I write one.
# [20:04] <JosiahOne> I have no problem doing so, but I will be gone all this week.
# [20:04] <purezen> dholbert: Finally things running the way I intended..
# [20:04] <dholbert> purezen, cool!
# [20:04] <JosiahOne> I'm going on vacation, so I won't be here at all.
# [20:04] <purezen> dholbert: :-)
# [20:05] <Waldo> nsm: if it's necessary it be like that, I think you probably should alter the Mochitest harness for it
# [20:05] <spohl> JosiahOne: sure, but if somebody else jumps in, that's fine too
# [20:06] <JosiahOne> spohl: Okay, I just wanted to make sure you weren't expecting me to write it this week.
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# [20:06] <spohl> JosiahOne: whatever we can get. :-)
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# [20:06] <nsm> Waldo: how do i do that?
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# [20:07] <JosiahOne> spohl: Alright then. I can do it when I get back, which is next Wednesday. (At least is should.) But if someone else wants to do it, that would be fantastic.
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# [20:21] <Waldo> nsm: I think the server startup code is in testing/mochitest/server.js or somesuch, just hack on it :-)
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# [20:28] <KaiRo> bjacob: ah, yes, the Android OpenGL stuff - yes, saw it in the numbers, looks nice in the graph as well :)
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# [20:30] <KaiRo> bjacob: the graph also shows how Falsh 11.3 was release at the beginning of June 2012 and made crashes go up significantly on Win7 and Vista
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# [20:31] <glandium> RyanVM: it would have been better to wait for the test results for the m-c merge to m-i before merging back to m-c
# [20:31] <KaiRo> even visible in the graphs of all other OSes going down at that point (as it's realtive shares)
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# [20:32] <RyanVM> glandium: what exactly were you waiting on?
# [20:33] <glandium> RyanVM: all test results
# [20:33] <KaiRo> bjacob: also nice how the total numbers show why we were concerned about stability issues with Firefox 18
# [20:33] <glandium> RyanVM: in case something landed on m-i that made wrong assumptions about resource://app vs. resource://gre
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# [20:36] <glandium> RyanVM: not on m-i
# [20:36] <RyanVM> except for some pgo tests, which I find unlikely to change
# [20:37] <RyanVM> ah, I follow
# [20:37] <RyanVM> sorry, you're probably right
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# [20:38] <RyanVM> glandium: fwiw, not a huge number of changes on inbound vs. m-c in that push
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# [20:53] <variable> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/30154/ -> firefox crash
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# [20:53] <variable> I have the application and coredump
# [20:53] <variable> anything else useful ?
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# [20:54] <BenWa> Can WebRTC do a group calls?
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# [20:54] <BenWa> on Nightly that is
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# [20:55] <variable> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/30155/ -> list of active threads
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# [20:56] <jesup> benwa: if you have a webrtc-enabled mixer/conference bridge, yes (Asterisk is working on it, but only work with Chrome so far). Mesh conferences (3-way) are possible, but there are some caveats like AEC will not cancel the 3rd party echo (your echo will be cancelled, but not the echo of the other remote party)
# [20:56] <jesup> With headsets this doesn't matter much
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# [20:57] <nemo> hm. so firefox has this annoying behaviour lately, where if I edit the url bar to delete, say, #comment-123124124124 and link a friend to it.
# [20:57] <nemo> Then click on another comment a bit further down.
# [20:57] <nemo> The url bar does not update to give me the new URL, until I refresh
# [20:57] <jesup> and to note: we haven't really tried this yet, but it very likely would work. You may find bugs.... ;-)
# [20:57] <nemo> which on an overloaded site w/ a ton of comments, can take a long time
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# [20:58] <BenWa> Alright, I think i'll keep using G+ hangout but switch to WebRTC once this stuff is a bit more stable
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# [20:58] <jesup> The Google team's primary goal is to replace Vidyo/SVC in Hangouts with Webrtc
# [20:59] <jesup> but it will be a while before they get there
# [20:59] <BenWa> I was hoping they would
# [20:59] <BenWa> jesup: But I'm guessing they will still require g+ account :(
# [21:00] <jesup> They will - but it will enable others to do similar setups. Note that the server is a major piece of such a service.
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# [21:00] <BenWa> Right, thanks
# [21:00] <NeilAway> jcranmer: hmm, are imap and ldap threadsafe or do they still get it wrong occasionally?
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# [21:01] <jcranmer> NeilAway: what do you mean?
# [21:02] <NeilAway> jcranmer: well, bug 839962 just made debug threadsafety assertions fatal
# [21:02] <wchen> rafaelw: pong
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# [21:03] <jcranmer> NeilAway: hmm
# [21:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d91d6e2bc258 - Tom Schuster - Bug 838558 - Kill object equality hook. r=jorendorff
# [21:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b9a00a67b749 - Tom Schuster - Bug 839027 - Kill object typeof hook. r=jorendorff
# [21:04] * jorendorff cheers
# [21:04] <jcranmer> NeilAway: well, import is now going to be roken
# [21:05] <jcranmer> (since it tries to update the single-threaded database from a separate thread)
# [21:05] <evilpie> i hope everything goes well outside the js engine
# [21:06] <NeilAway> jcranmer: oh, import, I knew there was something :s
# [21:06] <jorendorff> evilpie: don't worry, it'll be the worlds subtlest breakage if not
# [21:06] <nemo> jcranmer: omgomgomg that's AWESOME
# [21:06] <nemo> jcranmer: I was hoping they'd do that!
# [21:06] <jorendorff> evilpie: they'll never trace it to you
# [21:06] <nemo> jcranmer: esp given there appears to be no Flash or Skype for ARM
# [21:06] <jorendorff> (just kidding, they will bisect it right to you)
# [21:06] <nemo> so linux options for chat are pretty limited
# [21:07] <jcranmer> NeilAway: well, as long as it's only in debug builds...
# [21:07] <jcranmer> nemo: ?
# [21:07] <nemo> jcranmer: hangouts, webrtc
# [21:07] <nemo> so excited
# [21:07] <evilpie> to .. to .. to my home ?!
# [21:07] <jcranmer> nemo: I think you tabcompleted to the wrong person
# [21:07] <nemo> oups. my bad
# [21:07] <nemo> jesup, jcranmer both "j"
# [21:07] <jorendorff> evilpie: or wherever you happen to be, yeah
# [21:08] <jcranmer> I was wondering why you were hoping that import would break threadsafety ...
# [21:08] <nemo> jcranmer: I've gotten used to irssi being smart about "most recent X to chat, or last person you talked to" and hadn't noticed how far back that was. sorry.
# [21:08] <jorendorff> evilpie: try to stay away from places where innocent people congregate, there's a good lad
# [21:09] <evilpie> jorendorff: actually bholley's xpconnect changes seem to stick, that makes me confident
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# [21:10] <jorendorff> yeah, it should be fine
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# [21:10] <jesup> nemo: it's a marathon, not a sprint. but certainly that's a goal (and being able to build Skype-like apps)
# [21:12] <philor> gps: sheesh, way to ruin the all-green services-central tree!
# [21:12] <RyanVM> philor: at least somebody's looking at it
# [21:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed3a6ed1dd20 - Jan Beich - Bug 840146 - Don't try to install updater.png with --disable-updater. r=glandium
# [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e3a4589e251 - Jason Smith - Bug 822109 - Add a bunch of basic functional tests for getUserMedia and enable a per config setting for those tests for fake vs. non-fake. r=jesup
# [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a101d8932e91 - Milan Sreckovic - Bug 722831 - qcms_transform_precacheLUT_float only works with RGB data, so only call it in that case. Grayscale images would fail. r=bgirard
# [21:14] <philor> RyanVM: it's one of my "damn, I can't manage to be first to star on these other trees, where's an unoccupied one?" trees ;)
# [21:14] <nemo> jesup: now I just need an actual firefox build that can run WebRTC :D
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# [21:14] <nemo> jesup: well. by the time google hangouts have it, maybe it'll be in stable.
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# [21:14] <RyanVM> heh
# [21:15] <jesup> nemo: Nightly! You can even call chrome now
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# [21:15] <nemo> jesup: there's no nightly builds for Arm that I can see
# [21:15] <nemo> jesup: not for linux anyway. firefoxos, maybe?
# [21:15] * nemo shrugs
# [21:15] <nemo> is firefoxos a stripped down linux like chromeos is?
# [21:15] <jesup> nemo: what device/os?
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# [21:16] <nemo> jesup: chromebook, ubuntu 12.04
# [21:16] <jesup> firefoxos is roughly an Android kernel with a browser running on it (1st approximation)
# [21:16] <nemo> jesup: Daisy chromebook that is. Exynos 5250
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# [21:18] <jesup> We're working on ARM support as part of the Android work, so that's coming. Working in your situation may require some untangling of ARM vs Android perhaps. I'll note it's not a targeted platform
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# [21:18] <nemo> jesup: mm. there's also linux netbooks. and, you know ubuntu phone
# [21:18] <nemo> jesup: plenty of reasons it'd be nice to have non-android arm
# [21:18] <nemo> welp. thanks
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# [21:23] <rafaelw> was wondering if you hand thoughts about the template EOF bug.
# [21:23] <rafaelw> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20924
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# [21:24] <wchen> rafaelw: Let me take a look
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# [21:26] <wchen> rafaelw: btw, I don't think henri likes your extensions to the tree builder test format.
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# [21:29] <wchen> rafaelw: although I'm not sure what channel we should use discuss that.
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# [21:32] <evilpie> oh noes!
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# [21:32] <mccr8> xpconnect strikes again!
# [21:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d4b4794bbeaf - Jared Wein - Backed out changeset fe1853b667cc (bug 839701) for failing browser-chrome test.
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# [21:33] <xreal> I've pinned a tab and make it secure and protected (sorry, I don't know the English terms). Why the heck does it reload when I select "reload all tabs"? I thought, secure/protect protects it agains that?!
# [21:33] <evilpie> okay this was stupid
# [21:33] <@roc> how do I get tryserver to produce a PGO build?
# [21:33] <@roc> on Windows?
# [21:34] <RyanVM> roc: you have to edit the mozconfig
# [21:34] <dholbert> xreal, I don't know what you mean by marking a tab "secure and protected"
# [21:34] <philor> roc: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
# [21:34] <@roc> ta
# [21:35] <dholbert> xreal, pinning a tab does protect it against being accidentally closed, but I don't know that it's supposed to protect it from being reloaded
# [21:35] <sfink> hm, that seems unnecessary now
# [21:36] <RyanVM> evilpie: inbound is closed pending your fix (or a backout), so you'll need to push with a CLOSED TREE in your commit message
# [21:36] * evilpie more pressure guys!
# [21:36] <jdm> xreal: I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about securing and protecting it
# [21:36] <sfink> roc: I would expect you could drop the |mk_add_options MOZ_PGO=1| to build/mozconfig.common now
# [21:36] <xreal> sfink & dholbert: I've got two settings in FX (sorry German): "schützen" (protect) "sperren" (locking)
# [21:36] <sfink> er, into
# [21:37] <sfink> xreal: oh, sorry, I was responding to philor's link, not your message
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# [21:37] <RyanVM> evilpie: I think less personally, since it means you're not racing against other people landing at the same time
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# [21:37] <Archaeopteryx> xreal: these are from Tab Mix Plus
# [21:37] <evilpie> RyanVM: :) just joking
# [21:37] <xreal> Archaeopteryx: aaah!
# [21:37] <evilpie> i am build the fix right now
# [21:38] <xreal> Archaeopteryx: nevermind, the function seems not to work :p
# [21:38] <bnicholson> jdm: after a download in private browsing mode, the downloaded file itself is not deleted when the last private window is closed, correct?
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# [21:38] <jdm> bnicholson: correct.
# [21:38] <sfink> roc: or at least, it'd be nice if you tried it an updated that wiki page if it works
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# [21:38] <sfink> *and
# [21:38] <sfink> I need a nap
# [21:39] <bnicholson> jdm: ok, thanks. do you know where ehsan is? we have to figure something out for bug 823285
# [21:39] <jdm> bnicholson: ehsan's out on PTO, I think
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# [21:39] <philor> yeah, I think dbaron made sure common is source everywhere, and at the end of everywhere
# [21:39] <bnicholson> do you know how long?
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# [21:40] <sfink> common is sourced everywhere near the beginning-ish, common.override is sourced everywhere at the end
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# [21:40] <jdm> bnicholson: feb 19
# [21:41] <bnicholson> yikes ok, thanks
# [21:41] <jdm> and yeah, you've got a doozy of a situation there
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# [21:47] <rafaelw> wchen: #whatwg?
# [21:47] <rafaelw> FWIW, I'm fine with whatever format you guys prefer.
# [21:47] <rafaelw> feel free to propose something better
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# [21:49] <wchen> rafaelw: ok. I'm still thinking about the EOF thing.
# [21:50] <rafaelw> ok.
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# [21:53] <wchen> rafaelw: I don't understand why we need another clause for eof in the column group mode. when we see an end tag colgroup don't we always switch to "in table" mode?
# [21:53] <rafaelw> looking.
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# [21:56] <rafaelw> so consider <template><col>
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# [21:56] <rafaelw> we'll hit EOF in "in coloumn group"
# [21:56] * @khuey read that as <template><lol>
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# [21:57] <rafaelw> act as if </colgroup> was seen (which we'll ignore)
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# [21:57] <rafaelw> and because we ignore it, we won't reprocess the EOF token
# [21:57] <wchen> ah, right
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# [22:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/98b4c33fc377 - Olli Pettay - Bug 839528 - Change the namespace of xpidl dictionary helpers, r=khuey
# [22:04] * @khuey skimmed that
# [22:04] <@khuey> hope it's right!
# [22:04] <evilpie> RyanVM: okay done
# [22:05] <evilpie> committing now
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# [22:06] <@smaug> khuey: should be.
# [22:06] <@smaug> khuey: passes on try
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# [22:06] <evilpie> bitte
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# [22:11] <wchen> rafaelw: hmm, how about this:
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# [22:12] <rafaelw> ?
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# [22:13] <wchen> rafaelw: nvm, still thinking
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# [22:17] <NICOLE> anyone help me
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# [22:18] <dholbert> NICOLE, ask your question, and if someone can help you, they will :)
# [22:18] <dholbert> NICOLE, (though #introduction might be a better place to ask, if you're just starting out w/ mozilla code)
# [22:19] <rafaelw> wchen: is there some part of my proposed fix that concerns you or are you just thinking about the problem in general?
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# [22:24] <wchen> rafaelw: yeah, so one part that concerned me was changing the EOF behaviour for body and table, but I don't think that's a problem. Another thing I was thinking of was if we could simply this in the spec so that EOF template content would pop to last <template> and pop an template insertion mode, then reprocess token, and the EOF for body, table, column group and frame set could defer to template contents in the template contents case.
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# [22:26] <rafaelw> are you worried that in the future, maybe we'll need to do cleanup on elements that are sitting above us on the stack of open elements?
# [22:28] <rafaelw> keep in mind that we can have input like: <template><div><template><div>
# [22:28] <rafaelw> so body would need to always test whether there are any items on the stack of template insertion modes, pop, reset the insertion mode and reprocess
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# [22:28] <rafaelw> repeatedly until all template contexts were cleared.
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# [22:29] <rafaelw> it does leave the door open to cleanup open elements, but the part that would worry me about it is that the EOF processing kind of assumes that cleanup only happens are leaves. this would be changing that.
# [22:30] <rafaelw> not necessarily bad, but i'd want to convince myself that it was safe.
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# [22:37] <annevk> rafaelw: fwiw, with regards to the test, "#" is used as separator already
# [22:37] <annevk> rafaelw: so using that for something else too is annoying if you split on "#" currently
# [22:38] <rafaelw> i see.
# [22:38] <rafaelw> what would be better?
# [22:38] <annevk> rafaelw: I think you could just put them directly as children of <template> given that the parser can never generate that anyway
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# [22:39] <rafaelw> in webkit, I have our serializer outputting both content and children.
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# [22:39] <rafaelw> it's useful to be able to assert that parsing *didn't* create children.
# [22:39] <annevk> well sure and if it did, it would not match the expectation, but I guess then you can't distinguish from content
# [22:39] <annevk> hmm
# [22:40] <rafaelw> yeah. i added after chasing a parser bug for hours going "where is that content going", forgetting that children we're getting ignored by the serializer.
# [22:40] <Fallen> cjones: ping
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# [22:41] <annevk> rafaelw: I think <template> newline, additional two spaces and then the string "contents" (without quotes) and then the elements nested below that could work
# [22:42] <rafaelw> so:
# [22:42] <annevk> rafaelw: or alternatively you could pick a different indentation level, but that might be too obscure
# [22:42] <rafaelw> <template>
# [22:42] <rafaelw> contents
# [22:42] <rafaelw> <div>
# [22:42] <rafaelw> <span>Child that shouldn't be here</span>
# [22:42] <rafaelw> ?
# [22:42] <annevk> yeah
# [22:42] <rafaelw> blah. leading whitespace got trimmed.
# [22:43] <rafaelw> oh well, i think it get it.
# [22:43] <rafaelw> that's fine with me.
# [22:43] <annevk> (didn't get trimmed here)
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# [22:43] <rafaelw> i'll fix it in webkit then update the template.dat in the w3c repo.
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# [22:43] <annevk> and attributes on the line before contents
# [22:43] <annevk> (if any of course)
# [22:43] <rafaelw> ok.
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# [22:44] <annevk> I think that should be okay with hsivonen too as his main concern was usage of #
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# [22:45] <rafaelw> cool. will do.
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# [22:48] <wchen> rafaelw: I was concerned about popping everything all the way to the first <template>.
# [22:49] <rafaelw> don't we need to do that in order to discover if we're inside of <head>?
# [22:50] <wchen> yeah, but if we only popped to the last <template> we would also get to the <head> eventually.
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# [22:50] <@dbaron> so did something change about sessionstore.js handling recently?
# [22:50] <@dbaron> I just had a restart completely ignore my saved session
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# [22:51] <cjones> Fallen, pong
# [22:51] <rafaelw> i see. if you prefer to do it that way, i'm happy to entertain it. i yet see the benefit, but i'm willing to be convinced.
# [22:51] <rafaelw> s/i yet/i don't yet
# [22:51] <wchen> rafaelw: I think it simples the spec
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# [22:52] <wchen> then we just defer stuff to the template case and in frame doesn't seem as weird because it does't defer to table
# [22:52] <@dbaron> hmmm, and my bookmarks toolbar is blank too
# [22:52] <biesi> hm... where's the implementation of the <audio>/<video> controls bar? is it XBL?
# [22:52] <@dbaron> and the hitting enter in the URL bar doesn't do anything
# [22:53] <rafaelw> at least conceptually, it's a bunch more processing.
# [22:53] <biesi> dbaron: any chrome exceptions in the error console?
# [22:53] <Jesse> biesi: i'm afraid so
# [22:53] <@dbaron> biesi, no error console menu item
# [22:53] <rafaelw> every item on the stack gets processed with an EOF.
# [22:53] <biesi> heh
# [22:53] <biesi> Jesse: have a filename?
# [22:53] <rafaelw> up to the first template.
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# [22:54] <Jesse> biesi: try http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/widgets/videocontrols.xml
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# [22:54] <@dbaron> NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIXPCComponents_Utils.import]
# [22:54] <@dbaron> JS Component Loader: ERROR resource://gre/modules/osfile/osfile_async_front.jsm:50
# [22:54] <@dbaron> NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIXPCComponents_Utils.import]
# [22:54] <rafaelw> in webkit, we have a strong preference for the code to mirror the spec, so it actually is a bunch more work.
# [22:54] <rafaelw> i'm not really worried about perf, just complexity.
# [22:54] <@dbaron> oh, I missed these at the very start:
# [22:54] <wchen> rafaelw: well in the body case we already always have to check for EOF due to template
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# [22:54] <@dbaron> NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIXPCComponents_Utils.import]
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# [22:54] <@dbaron> NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIXPCComponents_Utils.import]
# [22:55] <biesi> Jesse: thanks!
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# [22:55] <wchen> rafaelw: the performance only gets worse if we have many nested templates
# [22:55] <Fallen> cjones: in bug 602558 you did something to avoid problems with msvs10's tr1 implementation. I'm getting the same error when compiling nsDependentString.cpp on our builders. do you have an idea what the problem could be? http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2132324
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# [22:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/20400a35c261 - Honza Bambas - Bug 839175 - missing using namespace dom in MediaBufferDecoder.cpp, r=roc
# [22:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/604e819f63d7 - Honza Bambas - Bug 822490 - Radically simplify windows TimeStamp implementation, r=tellrob
# [22:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/55ef31ba2298 - Honza Bambas - Bug 827287 - make it possible to use TimeStamp without performance concerns (TimeStamp::NowLoRes), r=ehsan, sr=roc
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# [22:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc3b4a2c1968 - Honza Bambas - Bug 836872 - Use TimeStamp::NowLoRes() in nsAppShell, r=roc
# [22:56] <rafaelw> wchen: sorry i'm a bit confused. both our approaches wind back all the way to the first open template, yes?
# [22:56] <wchen> rafaelw: yes
# [22:56] <biesi> Jesse: whoa, video controls use xul-in-html?
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# [22:56] <NeilAway> biesi: it's great stuff, this xul, you know!
# [22:56] <rafaelw> so what's the significance of your previous statement?
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# [22:57] <Jesse> biesi: oh yikes i didn't notice that
# [22:57] <wchen> rafaelw: to suggest that it probably isn't much of a performance problem relative to the other solution
# [22:57] <biesi> NeilAway: I didn't even know this was supported
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# [22:57] <biesi> or indeed s/supported/worked/
# [22:57] <rafaelw> yeah. like i said, i'm not worried about perf.
# [22:58] <@dbaron> biesi, oh, I see... my rsync command to copy the build directory has --exclude=core
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# [22:58] <@dbaron> biesi, and we now have a directory called core that we need in order to function
# [22:59] <biesi> dbaron: oh heh
# [22:59] <wchen> rafaelw: also, if we do it my way, the spec can just say something like "if template content case, process the token using the rules for template contents"
# [22:59] <wchen> for the EOF handing of the other modes
# [22:59] <wchen> isn't this just a goto in the webkit parser?
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# [23:00] <cjones> Fallen, i don't remember that too well; i think there was some different header dependency
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# [23:00] <rafaelw> so, the main difference in the two approaches is that in one, we effectively only attempt to process the EOF token twice:
# [23:01] <rafaelw> (a) once we we first hit it, then (b) after we've popped all the elements back past the first template
# [23:01] <rafaelw> in the other, we attempt to process the EOF at every node from the current node all the back to the parent of the first <template>
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# [23:01] <rafaelw> i'm less concerned with simplicity of the spec. i think we should decide which of these behaviors is preferable.
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# [23:02] <Fallen> cjones: hm ok, thanks anyway. I'll continue comparing moco config vs our config
# [23:02] <@dbaron> Mossop, so, I'm not a big fan of having files/directories called "core" (see above)
# [23:02] <wchen> rafaelw: yeah, that's essentially the main difference
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# [23:03] <rafaelw> so, spec simplicity aside, do you have a concrete reason to prefer the later?
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# [23:04] <wchen> rafaelw: because it assumes that all the modes that we can reach in a <template> don't really care about EOF (which might be the case). And I think it simplifies the spec.
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# [23:05] <Mossop> dbaron: I see
# [23:05] <wchen> *because the first solutions assumes ...
# [23:06] <rafaelw> i think it's the opposite. i think it assumes that there may be a mode we can reach in a <template> that will care about EOF. it seems to me that's why you'd do this.
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# [23:06] <rafaelw> in order to give that mode a chance to clean up.
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# [23:08] <rafaelw> also, i hear that you think it makes the spec simpler, but i'm not yet hearing a reason to prefer to process EOF for every open element.
# [23:08] <rafaelw> how about i write up the two approaches on the bug and we recruit some other opinions?
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# [23:09] <RyanVM> gfritzsche: ping
# [23:09] <rafaelw> or maybe, you should write up your preferred approach (so i don't presume to represent your view here)
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# [23:10] <wchen> rafaelw: yeah, I'll post my solution to the bug.
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# [23:10] <rafaelw> like i said, i'm happy to be convinced. i think your approach will work. it just strikes me at the moment as being more complex, not less.
# [23:10] <rafaelw> ok. great!
# [23:10] <rafaelw> btw, did you see my email about <col>"Hello"
# [23:11] <wchen> rafaelw: yeah I did, thanks.
# [23:11] <wchen> rafaelw: also, I'm only processing the EOF for the open <template> elements, not every open element.
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# [23:12] <rafaelw> wait. maybe i misunderstood your approach.
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# [23:13] <rafaelw> is your idea that other modes check to see if there are open template contexts, if so defer to 'in template contents"
# [23:13] <rafaelw> and that always clears back to *the next* open template, resets the insertion mode and reprocesses?
# [23:13] <wchen> rafaelw: yes
# [23:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32c248cf7474 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 825105 - Fix two clang warnings in media/mtransport/. r=ekr.
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# [23:14] <rafaelw> i see. so it processes the first EOF, then for everyone node immediately above a <template>?
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# [23:15] <wchen> rafaelw: yes
# [23:15] <rafaelw> i see.
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# [23:15] <rafaelw> got it. ok. i'd say i have a mild preference for just clearing all the way to the first one, but let's see what others think.
# [23:16] <rafaelw> thanks for helping sort through this =-).
# [23:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24f879564f43 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 787017. Die more verbosely on Android during Layers init. r=bjacob
# [23:16] <wchen> rafaelw: you're welcome, thanks for including me in the discussion.
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# [23:28] <cjones> RyanVM, ping?
# [23:28] <RyanVM> cjones: pong
# [23:28] <mcsmurf> who will be doing the next m-i->m-c merge?
# [23:28] <RyanVM> probably me
# [23:29] <cjones> hi RyanVM, do you have a few minutes to back out bug 835698?
# [23:29] <RyanVM> cjones: again?
# [23:29] <RyanVM> lol
# [23:29] <cjones> yeah :/
# [23:29] <RyanVM> we backed it out of inbound earlier this morning
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# [23:29] <RyanVM> and relanded it
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# [23:29] <RyanVM> all branches?
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# [23:30] <cjones> RyanVM, yes please
# [23:30] <RyanVM> ok
# [23:30] <cjones> thanks!
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# [23:31] <mcsmurf> RyanVM: ok, I messed up the bug # in a checkin I just made, just wanted to warn you, not sure if the script gets confused that adds the comment and resolves the bugs as fixed
# [23:31] <mcsmurf> RyanVM: checkin comment says Bug 831989, but I actually checked in the patch from Bug 839936
# [23:32] <jchen> edmorley said a configure change in bug 82605 needs review from a build peer. can i go find a build peer really quick, or should the whole thing be backed out first?
# [23:32] <mcsmurf> I'll post a comment that will reference the other bug in case anyone is looking for it
# [23:32] <jchen> oops *bug 826053
# [23:33] <dholbert> jchen, build peers are listed here, FWIW: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Core#Build_Config I bet most of 'em are around. (not listing them in IRC so as not to ping all of them)
# [23:34] <RyanVM> mcsmurf: I'll just backout and re-land with the right bug #.
# [23:34] <RyanVM> hang on a sec
# [23:34] <mcsmurf> RyanVM: heh ok
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# [23:34] <RyanVM> i've got another backout to push anyway
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# [23:35] <gfritzsche> RyanVM: pong
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# [23:36] <gfritzsche> perma-leak-fun?
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# [23:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9b06c6b2b2b0 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 8507903e43cb (bug 831989) for landing with the wrong bug number in the commit message.
# [23:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2bf4d2e75011 - Frank Wein - Bug 839936 - Build fails in content/base/test because the command line is longer than 32k chars, r=ted
# [23:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf2650bd2e3b - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 1646e649878a (bug 835698) for causing bug 839256.
# [23:37] <jchen> dholbert: ok. hmm still need to figure out who's around so i don't end up pinging all of them at the end :)
# [23:37] <RyanVM> mcsmurf: done - the merge script will see the backout and you shouldn't see any churn in bug 831989 from it
# [23:37] <mcsmurf> RyanVM: cool, thanks
# [23:37] <RyanVM> just please post the correct cset link in bug 839936
# [23:37] <RyanVM> gfritzsche: yes, had to back you out, sorry
# [23:37] <mcsmurf> will do
# [23:38] <gfritzsche> RyanVM: wait, you backed out the backout?
# [23:38] <RyanVM> yep
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# [23:38] <RyanVM> the backout is what made the leak come back
# [23:38] <gfritzsche> so, hm
# [23:38] <RyanVM> the original landing fixed the leak
# [23:38] <gfritzsche> i know
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# [23:39] <gfritzsche> thats one of the reasons why i was hesitant to back this out :)
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# [23:39] <gfritzsche> RyanVM: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=824069#c266
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# [23:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/29d3b2c3d8b3 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 839376 (part 1) - Add an exact root for jstypedarray.cpp. r=sfink.
# [23:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c4562906fc61 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 839376 (part 3) - Some low-hanging exact rooting fruit. sfink.
# [23:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1b3c6d4ee0ae - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 839376 (part 2) - Add some easy exact roots for jsinfer.cpp. r=sfink.
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# [23:40] <jchen> gps: ping?
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# [23:40] <gps> jchen: pong
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# [23:42] <jchen> gps: do you have a minute to review the first patch in bug 826053? it's only a few lines, but it was landed without build peer review
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# [23:42] <wchen> rafaelw: how do you feel about generating an implicit </template> tag on EOF?
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# [23:43] <wchen> it seems to do everything we want + gives some parser errors for weird looking markup.
# [23:43] <gps> jchen: I'm busy right now. sorry. ping glandium for review and he'll have it done by the time you wake up tomorrow most likely
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# [23:44] <rafaelw> i see.
# [23:44] <wchen> and it greatly simplifies the spec
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# [23:44] <wchen> we just defer the EOF case and we're done.
# [23:44] <rafaelw> so basically for EOF/template contents mode: "act as if </template> was seen, then reprocess the current token"
# [23:44] <jchen> gps: ok thanks!
# [23:44] <wchen> rafaelw: yeah
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# [23:45] <rafaelw> for the other significant modes: do normal work, then if stack of template contents !empty, process EOF as if in "in template contents"
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# [23:46] <wchen> yeah
# [23:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/35eda1ce617e - Andrew McCreight - Bug 784730 - Crash in ReparentWrapperIfFound if wrapper already in scope. r=bholley
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# [23:46] <rafaelw> looking
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# [23:49] <rafaelw> i think that's an improvement on your approach.
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# [23:49] <rafaelw> i think the main question is still whether or not we should attempt to process EOF for all parent's of <template> or just the outer-most one.
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# [23:50] <wchen> well it's always going to defer to template EOF for parents of <template> within a <template> so it should be the exact same outcome.
# [23:50] <rafaelw> at this point, i'm kind of on the fence. still mildly prefer to just be direct about it. the webkit impl for both versions is probably about the same complexity.
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# [23:51] <rafaelw> the question is whether it happens multiple times for deeply nested <template>s or just once for the outer-most one.
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# [23:52] <rafaelw> actually. i think i'm now totally indifferent, but i would kind of like some other opinions.
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# [23:52] <wchen> rafaelw: ok, I just wanted your input before I posed my solution
# [23:52] <rafaelw> i like it. i think we now have two good solutions.
# [23:53] <RyanVM> gfritzsche: there, I added my 2 cents. To me, backing out isn't the way to go unless we're prepared to hide the 4 permaleaking jobs. Seems incredibly silly to star 4 oranges on every push in order to investigate 1 intermittent orange
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