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# [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b721fde69bf0 - Matthew Gregan - Bug 752401 - Drain timing and error handling fixes for PulseAudio cubeb backend. r=doublec,jesup
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# [00:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/113113124e49 - Tetsuharu OHZEKI - Bug 833003 - Use metadata.scaleRatio as its value if viewport metadata.defaultZoom has no value. r=kats
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# [00:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69277e48526c - Jonathan Watt - Bug 839865 - Stop calling nsSVGUtils::InvalidateBounds for SVG transform changes, and use DLBI instead. r=mattwoodrow.
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# [00:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f18d1919efe - Jim Chen - Backout rev d38f1897c28f (bug 826053) pending review by build peer DONTBUILD
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# [00:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c3a4d688b26f - Cameron McCormack - Bug 840041 - Handle all possible dominant-baseline values when mapping internally to a vertical-align value for SVG text. r=roc
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# [00:33] <jviereck> roc: hi. What do you think about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743252#c7 ? The idea is add a new "mozNoPrintHeaderByDefault" and "mozNoPrintFooterByDefault" flag on the <body> element such that a printed page has no header/footer information by default (note: the user can still activate them again from the print-setting dialog). This flags would be useful to hide the header/footer when printing a PDF using PDF.JS. But I'm no
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# [00:45] <NeilAway> !seen ehsan
# [00:45] <firebot> ehsan was last seen 5 days, 2 hours, 31 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying 'roc: sure thing!' in #developers.
# [00:46] <NeilAway> who else knows about per-window private browsing?
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# [00:49] <njn> NeilAway: jdm
# [00:49] <jdm> hmm?
# [00:49] <jdm> oh
# [00:49] <jdm> me me
# [00:49] <jdm> pick me
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# [00:49] <NeilAway> jdm: ok, so
# [00:50] <NeilAway> jdm: you open a private window, and then close your original window
# [00:50] <NeilAway> jdm: is it possible to open a non-private window at this point?
# [00:50] <jdm> yep.
# [00:50] <jdm> whatever invokes OpenBrowserWindow
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# [00:51] <jdm> if you don't pass {private: true}, you'll get a new public window
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# [00:51] <jdm> NeilAway: similarly, window.open and passing non-private as one of the window features will do the same
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# [00:52] <NeilAway> jdm: ok, but OpenBrowserWindow only allows you to open a default window
# [00:53] <jdm> NeilAway: sounds like you want window.open
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# [00:53] <NeilAway> jdm: sorry, I'm struggling here because I don't use Firefox, so I'm trying to think of what other windows Firefox has
# [00:54] <NeilAway> jdm: you still have the Library, right?
# [00:54] <jdm> NeilAway: I think so. What problem are you trying to solve?
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# [00:54] <NeilAway> jdm: ok, so are you allowed to open the Library from a private window?
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# [00:55] <NeilAway> jdm: the problem I'm trying to solve is having unexpectedly private windows
# [00:55] <jdm> NeilAway: opening the library is allowed from private windows.
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# [00:56] <NeilAway> jdm: ok, and does that get opened with the non-private window feature?
# [00:56] <jwir3> if a constant is added to an interface, does that warrant an IID change?
# [00:56] <jdm> NeilAway: no.
# [00:56] <jdm> jwir3: no.
# [00:56] <jwir3> jdm: ok, thanks.
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# [00:57] <NeilAway> jdm: ok, so you then try to open a bookmark in a new window, and that's now private, because you opened the library from a private window, is that expected?
# [00:57] <mbrubeck> Ugh.
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# [00:57] <mbrubeck> I want to call setTimeout in a JSM
# [00:58] <jdm> NeilAway: I believe we decided that it wasn't a big issue.
# [00:58] <NeilAway> mbrubeck: nsITimer?
# [00:58] <mbrubeck> looks like my two options are (a) pass a nsIDOMWindow into the jsm and call window.setTimeout
# [00:58] <mbrubeck> or (b) nsITimer
# [00:58] <@gavin> Timer.jsm?
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# [00:58] <@gavin> (you would need to create it :)
# [00:58] <NeilAway> jdm: well, it might not be for you, but unfortunately I don't have that luxury, because I have windows of questionable privacy all over to deal with
# [00:58] <mbrubeck> gavin: That was what I was hoping to avoid :)
# [00:59] <NeilAway> jdm: so basically I've got to stick non-private in places like toOpenWindowByType
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# [00:59] <jdm> mbrubeck: you could also use jsctypes to call out to platform timer libraries
# [00:59] <mbrubeck> jdm--
# [00:59] * philor thinks an unresponsive script dialog for "self-hosted:155" is not entirely helpful
# [01:00] <mbrubeck> gavin: It's starting to feel like using a JSM in this case just isn't worth it, and I'll be happier with a .js file. :(
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# [01:00] <mbrubeck> since I'm basically going to want to re-implement setTimeout using nsITimer
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# [01:01] <mbrubeck> If I only needed one timer, I'd just use nsITimer and stick a reference somewhere
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# [01:01] <mbrubeck> but I want to create an arbitary number of timers, possibly all running in parallel.
# [01:02] <mbrubeck> Oh man!
# [01:02] <mbrubeck> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/devtools/shared/Browser.jsm
# [01:02] <jdm> heh
# [01:02] <jdm> xpcshell has the same thing
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# [01:05] * mbrubeck is going to file yet another "move from /browser to /toolkit" bug
# [01:06] <mbrubeck> It is yaks all the way down today, baby
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# [01:08] <cjones> mbrubeck, i wrote that same code too :(
# [01:08] <cjones> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/tools/reftest/reftest-content.js#11
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# [01:09] <jdm> it almost feels like we should have some kind of special reviewer to avoid this problem
# [01:09] <jdm> they could perform some kind of super review
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# [01:11] <philor> mbrubeck: is it going to confuse me by having the summary start "Work - " too?
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# [01:14] <@gavin> Timer.jsm! Timer.jsm!
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# [01:20] <jedp> is it possible to bind option-d on a Mac to meta-d, as in 'delete word' in the terminal?
# [01:21] <jedp> i guess i can try to remember to use esc for meta ...
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# [01:23] <seth> jedp: use iTerm2 and in the Keys section of your profile choose "Left option key acts as +Esc"
# [01:23] <mbrubeck> philor: In Metro land, we want all our bugs to Work!
# [01:23] <seth> jedp: then it just works
# [01:24] <mbrubeck> gavin: I was going to just move Browser.jsm into /toolkit/modules
# [01:24] <jedp> seth awesome
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# [01:24] <@gavin> Browser.jsm isn't a very good name
# [01:24] <mbrubeck> gavin: But I could split out the setTimeout implementation and call it Timer.jsm instead
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# [01:25] <jedp> seth oh sweet! and i see they have tmux for iterm2 - this is great - thanks for the link!
# [01:25] <@gavin> mbrubeck: yes please!
# [01:25] <mbrubeck> ok
# [01:25] <seth> jedp: np. i love iterm2 =)
# [01:25] <mbrubeck> as long as I'm knee-deep in yak hair anyway :)
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# [01:25] <jedp> seth mouseless copy. joy
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# [01:26] <philor> mbrubeck: rats, I thought most of them were Fun - and that's why some needed to be distinguished
# [01:26] <jedp> focus follows mouse! joy!
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# [01:27] <@roc> better still, mouse follows focus
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# [01:27] <jedp> roc so true
# [01:27] <markh> windows kinda has an option for that - "snap to" :)
# [01:28] <seth> jedp: it's got all the goodies =)
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# [01:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14da2eb23b19 - Tom Schuster - Bug 840172 - Rooting fixes for Wrapper and wrap. r=terrence
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# [01:36] <tanvi> Mossop - i am having trouble getting the mixed content preferences to toggle between true and false for just 2 of the browser_discovery tests. I can't set the pref in the actual add_test() function. do you have some suggestsion on how i should do this? (bug 834836)
# [01:37] <Mossop> tanvi: I don't know why you wouldn't be able to set the pref there, what happens when you try?
# [01:39] <tanvi> i create a new test and set the preferences to true at the beginning of the test. then i change the ok test to: ok(!isError(), "Should not show the error page; load should have been blocked by the mixed content blocker.");
# [01:39] <tanvi> but isError() still shows up.
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# [01:40] <tanvi> if i set the preferences to true earlier (or if they are set to true by default) and then run the test, the original test (ok(isError(), "Should have shown the error page")) fails
# [01:40] <tanvi> Mossop - https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/test/browser/browser_discovery.js#341
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# [01:42] <Mossop> tanvi: I assume you set the pref before open_manager. When does the mixed content code check the prefs?
# [01:43] <Mossop> Also I'm confused why you're changing the test to test that the error page isn't shown. Isn't the plan to show the error page?
# [01:43] <tanvi> when a load is initiated and the content policies are called. it does a shouldLoad()
# [01:44] <tanvi> Mossop - you said it was a custom error page.
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# [01:44] <tanvi> Mossop - if the mixed content blocker blocks the mixed script then i assumed the addons code would never know about it and hence never show the custom error page
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# [01:45] <Mossop> So what will be displayed?
# [01:45] <tanvi> something liek this … http://people.mozilla.com/~tvyas/MixedUI5B.png
# [01:45] <tanvi> ( i need an updated screenshot, but it will have a doorhanger similar to click to play's)
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# [01:45] <Mossop> Even though there is no address bar?
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# [01:45] <tanvi> the doorhanger will be dismissed by default
# [01:45] <tanvi> ah yes, in the addons case, there is no address bar, so nothing will show
# [01:46] <tanvi> but the content will be blocked
# [01:46] <Mossop> So the user clicks a link ... and nothing happens?
# [01:46] <tanvi> thats why the test breaks when we set the pref on by default and push to try
# [01:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b8c19a26a1d2 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 840317 - Re-evaluate media queries in scoped style sheets. r=dbaron
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# [01:46] <tanvi> can you show me what the error page looks like?
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# [01:47] <tanvi> or an example addon i can look at to see it?
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# [01:48] <jwir3|away> jdm and/or Waldo: Could you see if what I have here http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2132611 for attributes in brackets added or removed to an interface in IDL (e.g. [binaryname(XXXX)]) changes source and/or binary compatibility?
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# [01:50] <Mossop> tanvi: It basically just blanks out the page and displays this instead: http://db.tt/gu5Dn1n5
# [01:50] <jdm> jwir3: what does "source compat" mean, exactly?
# [01:50] <jdm> is this only intended for c++ consumers?
# [01:50] <Waldo> jwir3: not sure about nostdcall re source-compat, *think* the rest is right, but I wouldn't quite trust my judgment on it
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# [01:51] <Waldo> I think our assumption is that it's only C++ consumers, because JS consumers will fail in a safe manner
# [01:51] <jdm> I'm with Waldo here
# [01:51] <jwir3> jdm: Yes, that's a good question. My understanding isn't 100%, but I think that source compat means that you can take existing source code and recompile it without issue
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# [01:51] <tanvi> Mossop - do you have an example page i can try so that i can see what happense when i set security.mixed_content.block_mixed_active to true on nightly
# [01:52] <jwir3> jdm: I.e. when binary compatibility changes it's necessary to recompile an addon, when source compatibility changes, it means (I think) that you actually have to make changes to your code
# [01:52] <Mossop> tanvi: Change extensions.webservice.discoverURL to https://www.mozilla.org then load the add-ons manager and go and select the twitter link at the bottom right
# [01:52] <jdm> that makes sense
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# [01:56] <mbrubeck> jdm, gavin, cjones: filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840360
# [01:57] <mbrubeck> also discovered that Splinter is a little nuts when faced with "hg cp"
# [01:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb8d5da0bf70 - Jeff Walden - Bug 826009 - Move locale callback info, default locale, etc. data and APIs to be JSRuntime-centered. f=bholley, r=jorendorff
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# [01:57] <philor> jwatt: reftest failing
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# [02:00] <jdm> mbrubeck: yeah, I gave the browser-chrome test using xpcshell test functions a bit of a side-eye until I noticed what was happening
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# [02:05] <tanvi> Mossop - the twitter link doesn't work :( because its being blocked by UI in the address bar that doesn't exist in about:addons
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# [02:14] <Waldo> heycam|away: bustage?
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# [02:17] <Mossop> tanvi: I think it'd be useful to know what UX think is the right thing to do in this case, personally I think just displaying the error as we do now would be enough feedback for the user, but I'm open to other suggestions. Just not showing any feedback at all seems not ideal
# [02:17] <dholbert> heycam|away's bustage is trivial, just using a signed int to iterate up to an unsigned length
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# [02:18] <dholbert> I can push a fix for it
# [02:18] <Waldo> philor is like a lazy gremlin who lets others do the heavy lifting
# [02:19] <dholbert> philor is anything but lazy :)
# [02:19] <dholbert> I just wanted to jump in w/ the bustage-fix before it got backed out, since I'm 95% sure it's an easy fix
# [02:20] <Waldo> good guy dholbert
# [02:20] <KWierso|Home> no one denied the gremlin bit, I see...
# [02:20] <philor> dholbert: I bet you want to fix jwatt, too, don't you?
# [02:20] <dholbert> do I really?
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# [02:21] <philor> it's only off by 20000 pixels, pretty close
# [02:21] <sheppy> Is jwatt humping the furniture or something? Why dies he need fixing?
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# [02:21] <tanvi> Mossop - yes i agree. i think we will have to write special code for this about:addons case.
# [02:21] <tanvi> i didn't realize it had its own detection and it didnt have a url bar.
# [02:21] <dholbert> fuzzy-if(20000, ...)
# [02:21] <dholbert> philor, I'll back that out as part of the same push
# [02:21] <tanvi> Mossop - where is your detection code?
# [02:22] <philor> dholbert: thanks
# [02:22] <tanvi> Mossop - ideally, i could detect it for you in nsMixedContentBlocker and let you know when mixed content is present (maybe via the nsIWebProgressListener flags?)
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# [02:22] <Mossop> tanvi: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/content/extensions.js#1927
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# [02:22] <tanvi> also, that way we dont have two pieces of code doing similar things.
# [02:23] <Mossop> tanvi: Sorry I have to run to a family dinner, I'll be back tomorrow or you can email me another other questions
# [02:24] <tanvi> Mossop - thanks!
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# [02:27] <dholbert> rebuilding quickly as a sanity-check, and then will push the bustage-fixes
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# [02:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d92250d9e52 - Daniel Holbert - Followup for Bug 840317: use an unsigned loop variable when iterating up to an unsigned value, to fix warnings-as-errors build error. r=bustage,trivial CLOSED TREE
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# [02:31] <RyanVM> philor: I'd be OK with killing the M1 jobs on inbound. Keep the m-c ones, though.
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# [02:37] <RyanVM> ok to reopen inbound?
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# [02:41] <philor> sure, it needs moar bustage!
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# [02:42] <philor> the fun thing is, we haven't actually run a Win7 M1 all day, so who knows what evil now lurks in the hearts of M1s
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# [02:45] <philor> oh, did a PGO one, only 6 hours of exposure, not the 10 I thought it was
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# [02:46] <RyanVM> heh
# [02:46] <philor> OPEN TREE
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# [02:46] <RyanVM> it'll probably end up hanging too
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# [02:46] <RyanVM> BUSTAGE PUSHED
# [02:46] <philor> GOING HOME
# [02:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/98b4c33fc377 - Olli Pettay - Bug 839528 - Change the namespace of xpidl dictionary helpers, r=khuey
# [02:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a356cb75873f - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
# [02:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/63acc1f62049 - Aaron Klotz - Bug 838279 - Add isWow64 field to system info and to telemetry. r=bsmedberg
# [02:47] <Callek> more bustage
# [02:47] <Callek> I can help
# [02:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/244daeec3393 - Aaron Klotz - Bug 839236 - Add nsRefPtr to a nsPluginHost::GetInst call. r=bsmedberg
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# [02:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dcf53b7140cd - Olli Pettay - Bug 839465 - Implement SmartCardEvent using event code generator, r=mounir
# [02:47] <Callek> (re: needs moar bustage)
# [02:47] <KWierso|Home> bust ALL the things!
# [02:48] <sheppy> KWierso|Home: Isn't the natural state of things?
# [02:48] <Callek> sheppy: will you be shipping cookies to remoties who offer to buy some, btw?
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# [02:49] <Callek> nothing beats a stressful bustage day, like a good box of girl scout cookies
# [02:49] <sheppy> Callek: we can do that. Ping me by email and we can hook you up :)
# [02:49] <Callek> yay!
# [02:49] <Callek> :-)
# [02:49] <RyanVM> do they make nyquil for babies?
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# [02:49] <RyanVM> 9mo
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# [02:50] <sheppy> In Russia, they use vodka for that. :)
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# [02:50] <sheppy> That wasn't a recommendation. :)
# [02:50] <Callek> medicine of that variety is not recommended for children under 3y, your general best bet is to call the pediatrician and ask what they would recommend for your childs symptoms. I've typically given Liquid Tylenol/Asprin based on childs weight when necessary for things like that
# [02:50] <RyanVM> when I was a baby, the pediatrician told my mom to dip our pacifiers in gin
# [02:51] <Callek> (s/recommended/generally recommended/)
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# [02:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1052782fd20d - Daniel Holbert - Bug 836954: Mark nsIFrame::GetBaseline() impls as MOZ_OVERRIDE. r=dbaron
# [02:51] <RyanVM> yeah, we usually give him children's motrin
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# [02:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e4088b236634 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 836570: Mark media/mtransport/build as FAIL_ON_WARNINGS on non-MSVC compilers. r=jesup
# [02:51] <RyanVM> but he's been having issues sleeping lately
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# [02:51] <RyanVM> and man does that get old in a hurry
# [02:51] <Callek> RyanVM: issues sleeping without any other signs/illness?
# [02:51] <RyanVM> he's had a cold
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# [02:52] <RyanVM> (I was asking about the Nyquil semi-facetiously, FWIW)
# [02:52] <sheppy> Tried baby vaporub?
# [02:52] <Callek> ahh, yea, beyond syringing nasal cavaty and extra fluids+tylenol and possibly vaporub/humidifier no good suggestions
# [02:52] <Callek> s/tylenol/motrin/ at your discretion :-)
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# [02:53] <RyanVM> yeah, vaporub doesn't seem to do much
# [02:53] <RyanVM> i can't even tell a difference in the room with the vaporizer running
# [02:53] <sheppy> Hum
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# [02:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/26cfbd9ed00c - Trevor Saunders - bug 834552 - remove a bunch of ipc/chromium/ that we don't even build r=bsmedberg
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# [02:54] <Callek> s/dads/parents/
# [02:54] * aja recommends against the Shameless method
# [02:55] <sheppy> Callek: Yay for being work-at-home dads!
# [02:56] <RyanVM> "yay"
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# [02:56] <Callek> RyanVM++
# [02:56] <Callek> RyanVM: it gets better, trust us
# [02:56] <sheppy> Yep.
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# [02:56] <RyanVM> I think we spoiled him a bit too much with rocking him to sleep too
# [02:56] <sheppy> Being able to help out with homework or whatever in the afternoons is great,
# [02:56] <RyanVM> so now he has a hard time falling asleep without it
# [02:56] <sheppy> RyanVM: heh
# [02:57] <sheppy> That happens, yeah.
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# [02:58] * RyanVM is listening to him cry from the other room atm
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# [02:58] <Waldo> soundproofing is a thing :-)
# [02:58] <Callek> RyanVM: my son was rocked to sleep until like 16/17 mo, including for naps... mostly my ex's idea (she couldn't withstand the cry's in trying to let him NOT be) ... so if I tried was even worse, since it wasn't consistent
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# [02:59] <Waldo> not that I have ANY KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER OF THIS, but seems to me setting firm boundaries is the thing
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# [02:59] <sheppy> The crying for no reason... I don't miss it. But that's because it still happens now and then. :)
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# [03:00] <RyanVM> problem with trying to let him cry it out is that he gets so worked up that he just cries harder
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# [03:00] <Callek> RyanVM: consistency is a big help, and I might suggest the technique described at http://www.supernanny.co.uk/TV-Show/Clips/Clips/Sleep-Separation-Technique.aspx which has worked for many friends of mine
# [03:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9a6bef63fdc0 - Wan-Teh Chang - Bug 807883: Update NSPR to NSPR 4.9.6 Beta 2. This adds 'const' to the
# [03:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d1b8047ed4db - Wan-Teh Chang - Merge bug 807883.
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# [03:02] <Callek> RyanVM: I wouldn't recommend starting that until your child is over the illness though, since comfortable is also a big help with this :-)
# [03:05] <sheppy> Indeed.
# [03:05] <sheppy> We had a rough first 2 months or so because it took a while to figure out Sophie had an infantile allergy to cow's milk.
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# [03:06] <sheppy> She grew out of it by a year old or so but was miserable until we switched to soy formula.
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# [03:07] <RyanVM> I don't think Jake's fully over being weaned yet
# [03:08] <RyanVM> we did that about a month ago
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# [03:08] <RyanVM> but anyhoo, off I go
# [03:08] <RyanVM> night everyone
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# [03:20] <bz_away> JavaScript error: chrome://browser/content/browser.js, line 9046: NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIObserverService.removeObserver]
# [03:20] <bz_away> That seems ... bad
# [03:22] <dhylands> I've got an xpcom object implemented in JS that does: throw Cr.NS_ERROR_FILE_TOO_BIG; On the receiving side (also JS which calls FileUtils.getDir, it catches an error with e == NS_ERROR_FAILURE. Is there a way to get the NS_ERROR_FILE_TOO_BIG from the JS which implements the xpcom object to the caller?
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# [03:24] <bz_away> Components.returnCode ?
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# [03:25] <dhylands> bz_away: Unfortunately, I don't understand that (too new to JS)
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# [03:27] <dhylands> bz_away: The actual throw statment is this one: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/b2g/components/DirectoryProvider.js#161
# [03:27] <mayhemer> what's happening with win test runs on mozilla-inbound? are they just that slow or is it some serious issue?
# [03:27] <bz_away> Try making that line:
# [03:27] <bz_away> throw (Components.returnCode = Cr.NS_ERROR_FILE_TOO_BIG);
# [03:28] <dhylands> bz_away: Ahh - ok I'kll give that a try. Thanks
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# [03:47] <Jesse> do i need to do something between (modifying a mochitest in the srcdir) and (TEST_PATH=... make -C objdir mochitest-plain) ?
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# [03:58] <Waldo> Jesse: depends on the platform, at least historically; Windows always needed some more rebuilding, other platforms might let you get away with stuff; I'm surprised if OS X doesn't let you these days, honestly
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# [04:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7b379cdbf900 - Norbert Lindenberg - Bug 839751 - "Assertion failure: i < argc_" with localeCompare. r=jwalden
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# [04:10] <KaiRo> roc: ping
# [04:11] <@roc> hi
# [04:12] <KaiRo> roc: so, IT people are telling me you already have access to the raw dumps
# [04:12] <@roc> oh?
# [04:12] <@roc> I did not know
# [04:13] <KaiRo> roc: can you try logging into https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/ (bottom right) and then navigate to any view of a crash report?
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# [04:13] <KaiRo> roc: when logged in, you should see two links at the bottom of the "Raw Dump" tab, the .dump is the minidump, the .json is the metadata from annotations
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# [04:14] <KaiRo> roc: Mozilla LDAP credentials is what you need for login
# [04:14] <@roc> ok, I see those
# [04:15] <@roc> thanks
# [04:15] <KaiRo> roc: yay!
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# [04:15] <KaiRo> roc: so, in the end, you just didn't know you had access already - good we cleared that up now :)
# [04:15] <@roc> sorry
# [04:16] <@roc> I've never logged into crash-stats before
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# [04:16] <KaiRo> roc: np, just happy we got that cleared up :)
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# [04:51] <@roc> does anything in about:buildconfig indicate whether a build was made with PGO?
# [04:53] <fryn> roc: i see clang++ ... -O3 in my about:buildconfig, if that helps
# [04:54] <nthomas|away> the call is 'make -f client.mk profiledbuild' instead of build, so quite possibly not
# [04:54] <Jesse> the "make" command isn't shown in about:buildconfig
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# [04:58] <Unfocused> roc: just checked the release build for 17, and there's nothing to indicate PGO in there
# [04:58] <@roc> ta
# [04:58] <Unfocused> markh: the object that Cu.import() returns, which is basically the global scope of the JSM
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# [04:59] <Unfocused> yep
# [04:59] <markh> hrm - ok, thanks
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# [05:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9a0846d180af - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 839376 (part 4) - Fix four or five more rooting hazards. r=sfink.
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# [05:01] <markh> ahh - I bet I'm seeing it immediately after creation and before any attributes actually get set...
# [05:01] <markh> I'm seeing it via the debugger hooks
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# [05:02] <Unfocused> yea, that sounds possible
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# [05:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/36525224b14e - Brad Lassey - bug 839380 – zh-hk locale should use zh-tw translation instead of zh-cn r=jchen a=akeybl
# [05:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/328742b12ef5 - Justin Lebar - Bug 837856 - Rename hal_sandbox::IsHalChildLive() to HalChildDestroyed(). r=mounir
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# [05:10] <blassey> roc is watching those pushes for me (thanks again roc)
# [05:13] <philor> roc: good luck, gavin's been on the mozilla-beta hook for 10 hours now, and isn't quite off yet
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# [05:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/44af3765d3d3 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 840272 - Avoid asserting and crashing if SVG text frames are painted before they are reflowed. r=roc
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# [05:26] <markh> 10 hours - ouch!
# [05:27] * markh is working on an aurora patch and better land it first thing in a morning!
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# [05:40] <jcranmer> roc: ping
# [05:40] <@roc> hi
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# [05:41] <jcranmer> hmm, how do I put this
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# [05:41] <Bas> Yay, OMTC D3D11 video running too, lovely.
# [05:41] <jcranmer> I want something that would act akin to an <img src="http://this/page#some-other-element-in-an-svg">
# [05:42] <jcranmer> is that possible?
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# [05:43] <@roc> Bas: land it
# [05:43] * Bas grins.
# [05:44] <Bas> Oh how I'd love to land the refactor :) Soon.. hopefully.
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# [05:44] <jcranmer> ISTR something about svg paint servers
# [05:44] <jcranmer> but I remember the name instead of anything about actual usage
# [05:44] <@roc> jcranmer: what sort of element is that element?
# [05:45] <jcranmer> perhaps I should explain my usecase instead of my crazy solution
# [05:45] <jcranmer> I'm trying to emit a message/rfc822 as an HTML file
# [05:45] <jcranmer> and when people use <img src="cid:blah">, I need to update that src value to point to a real image
# [05:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/09ddbf34dc17 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 839927 - Update scoped style content flags correctly when SVG <style scoped=""> elements are involved. r=bz
# [05:46] <jcranmer> ideally, I want it to basically be a reference to content "elsewhere" on the page
# [05:46] <@roc> I think you want -moz-element
# [05:46] <jcranmer> I have full control over the emission, so I can emit as svg/html/etc.
# [05:46] <@roc> well maybe you don't
# [05:46] <@roc> hmm
# [05:46] <@roc> why don't you use data: URIs?
# [05:47] <jcranmer> because I don't necessarily have the data "yet"
# [05:48] <jcranmer> I'm trying to do this in a one-scan pass, so the image data may be in stuff I haven't analyzed yet
# [05:48] <@roc> -moz-element is only usable as a CSS background value so it's not trivial to replace <img src> with it
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# [05:49] <@roc> I suspect data: URIs will be the simplest solution here even if it requires an extra pass
# [05:50] <jcranmer> I think they may be too, but I was wondering if there was a crazy way to get what I want
# [05:50] <jcranmer> <img src=""> cannot refer to an ID of a <svg> document, I take it?
# [05:50] <@roc> the nice thing about data: URIs is that it's easy to replace pretty much any URI no matter how it's used
# [05:50] <@roc> not in the current document no
# [05:51] <jcranmer> zut, my original plan really was too crazy
# [05:51] <@roc> You could replace <img src> with <svg:use> or <img style="background:-moz-element(); background-size:100%,100%"> but that could get tricky and the technique doesn't extend well to other kinds of elements
# [05:52] <jcranmer> well, I can at least honestly say that I have a way to work around the lack of <iframe seamless>
# [05:52] <jcranmer> while I'm thinking about this
# [05:53] <jcranmer> I've noticed that the current part separator for mail messages is a <fieldset><lengend>foo</legend></field> to achieve a visual affect akin to
# [05:53] <jcranmer> -- foo ------------
# [05:54] <jcranmer> is there a way I can implement that stuff without using a hack like that for styling?
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# [05:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b32c50a1bec - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 8203709. Handle failure to create a snapshot surface in GetImageDataArray. r=mattwoodrow
# [05:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/80df535bf5e6 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 839378. Don't modify the page DOM from videocontrols. r=enndeakin
# [05:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/608f588cb3e9 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 836990. Put fixed-pos items in the abs-pos list of the container whenever it doesn't have a fixed-pos list. It's simpler this way and handles all edge cases.
# [05:55] <firebot> r=bzbarsky
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# [05:59] <dietrich> are we planning system-codec support on mac/linux as well as windows?
# [06:00] <fabrice> dietrich: on linux, you get them if you compile with --enable-gstreamer
# [06:00] <fabrice> (some of them at least)
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# [06:01] <@roc> dietrich: yes.
# [06:01] <@roc> we need to find someone to work on Mac
# [06:02] <Callek> we could ask the ten4fox guys to work on it
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# [06:02] <jcranmer> who cares about mac? :-)
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# [06:04] <dietrich> fabrice: roc: thanks!
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# [06:07] <glob> dietrich, i believe it's bug 801521
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# [06:08] <dietrich> glob: thanks!
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# [06:32] <liuche> building problems, anyone have a thought on what might be going wrong? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2133083
# [06:33] <liuche> my android building inexplicably started dying with an error
# [06:33] <markh> liuche: did an earlier build fail with an error, meaning the incremental build of that dir fails? ie, try dropping /widget/ and rebuilding the world?
# [06:33] <mbrubeck> liuche: Looks like you're building only in /widget, but it seems to depend on some other stuff
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# [06:34] <mbrubeck> based on the error, I'd guess you need to build in at least /xpcom first
# [06:34] <liuche> this is after a clobber and a full build, actually
# [06:34] <liuche> it died on a file in widget/android, so i thought i'd try to pinpoint what was going on
# [06:35] <liuche> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2132584
# [06:35] <liuche> ^original build failure
# [06:35] <liuche> i'm a little baffled as to why AndroidBridge is no longer being imported correctly
# [06:35] <liuche> mbrubeck, markh ^
# [06:36] <markh> yeah, no clue on that I'm afraid...
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# [06:37] <mbrubeck> so previously it died building /mobile/android, because it couldn't find a file that should have been exported from /widget/android ?
# [06:37] <mbrubeck> and /widget/android dies because it can't find a library from /xpcom...
# [06:37] <liuche> it died on a full build, after a clobber
# [06:38] <mbrubeck> right, I just mean it was building in /mobile/android at the point where it died
# [06:38] <mbrubeck> /mobile/android/build that is
# [06:38] <liuche> yes
# [06:39] <mbrubeck> liuche: What command did you run for your full build?
# [06:40] <liuche> rm -rf objdir*; make -f client.mk
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# [06:40] <mbrubeck> and can you pastebin your mozconfig?
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# [06:42] <liuche> mbrubeck: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2133086
# [06:42] <liuche> NDK is r8c
# [06:45] <mbrubeck> liuche: It's a mystery to me. :/
# [06:45] <liuche> ah well, ok
# [06:45] <liuche> thanks
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# [07:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/324ef02e2161 - Justin Dolske - Bug 839923 - Many favicons look bad when upscaled for hidpi. r=fryn, ui-r=shorlander
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# [07:05] <@dolske> oooh, that's a new bugzilla error. http://cl.ly/image/1e251D0k1x0P
# [07:06] <glob> dolske, that isn't new :)
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# [07:06] <glob> you should play on bmo the sunday night before an uplift
# [07:06] <@dolske> new as in I've never seen it. :)
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# [07:07] <glob> anyhow, the field has been added, buggie is happy again
# [07:11] <Callek> glob: btw, can we make "foo, bar" for needinfo after comments work like "foo, bar" work like the needinfo field in the "set flags" section of bug header ;-)
# [07:11] <Callek> so I can request from more than one person, without having to always get the "error" :-)
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# [07:11] <Callek> glob: p.s. I'm good at complaining
# [07:11] <glob> Callek, you're welcome to file a bug, however i doubt we'll do that any time soon, given the workaround is trivial
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# [07:12] <Callek> glob: well you fixed the :Foo instead of Foo@mozilla.com issue
# [07:12] <Callek> :-P
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# [07:12] <glob> that was a bug
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# [07:12] <Callek> this isn't?
# [07:12] <glob> no, i don't think so
# [07:13] <glob> even if it were, it isn't important enough to worry about any time soon
# [07:13] <Callek> you don't consider a feature, that works everywhere else in bugzilla fields that take users (the ability to specify more than one user, if the field can be used more than once) a bug?
# [07:13] <glob> you keep on asking the same question
# [07:13] <Callek> glob: basically I surely qualify it as a bug, I'd agree its not urgent, especially if fix isn't easy
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# [09:25] <NeilAway> gavin: eek, Browser.jsm has a lame way of finding out the id of the timer that just triggered :s
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# [09:42] <jviereck> when is uplift 19 beta -> release and where do I find that information again?
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# [09:42] <gaston> w.m.o/releases ?
# [09:43] <jviereck> what is "w.m.o"?
# [09:43] <gaston> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases#Firefox_19
# [09:43] <Callek> jviereck: https://mail.mozilla.com/home/akeybl@mozilla.com/Release%20Management.html
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# [09:44] <Callek> jviereck: as linked from https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
# [09:45] <gaston> that calendar looks surprisingly boooring :)
# [09:47] <jviereck> Callek: thanks a lot!
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# [09:51] <glob> gaston, is https://mail.mozilla.com/home/akeybl@mozilla.com/Release%20Management.html more exciting?
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# [09:52] <glob> no, wait, i totally misread things. please ignore me
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# [10:48] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [11:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5ef0877215ff - Mike Hommey - Bug 825968 - Adjust exception disabling in stlport for Android NDK r8d. r=ted
# [11:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67de01121a3d - Mike Hommey - Bug 839824 - Fix build error with gcc 4.4 in MIR.h. r=dvander
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# [11:36] <Ms2ger> "This would let us rasterize new content during content"
# [11:36] <Ms2ger> Eh?
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# [12:47] <ttaubert> looks like we need to back out Ms2ger while he's having lunch
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# [12:50] <Optimizer> No use, he will backout the backout when he comes back out
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# [13:10] <annevk> anyone online that knows about window.location?
# [13:11] <annevk> in particular where we retrieve the base URL from when setting e.g. location.href
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# [13:12] <annevk> bholley: you maybe?
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# [13:12] <bholley> annevk: yes, I know all about Location :-)
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# [13:12] <bholley> annevk: are you looking at nsLocation.cpp
# [13:12] <bholley> ??
# [13:12] <bholley> er
# [13:12] <bholley> single question mark
# [13:12] <annevk> not yet
# [13:13] <bholley> annevk: dom/base/nsLocation.cpp
# [13:13] <bholley> annevk: see ::SetHref
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# [13:14] <bholley> annevk: note that the current implementation relies on our somewhat broken imitation of the script entry point stack
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# [13:14] <bholley> annevk: via the JSContext stack
# [13:14] <annevk> so is oldUri an optimization of sorts?
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# [13:15] <annevk> in case the entry script does not change?
# [13:16] <annevk> The problem is that we're trying to extract most of window.location into a shared abstract class called URLUtils, that is shared with HTMLAnchorElement and friends
# [13:16] <bholley> annevk: well, that only happens in the case where we don't have a cx
# [13:16] <bholley> annevk: in which case we're kind of out of luck
# [13:16] <bholley> annevk: it's sort of equivalent to finding null on the script entry point stack
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# [13:17] <annevk> does that mean it's not invoked by JS but rather C++ or some such?
# [13:17] <bholley> annevk: it means that the subject principal is system, essentially
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# [13:18] <bholley> annevk: that the responsibility for the action belongs to generic Gecko operation and not to any particular script
# [13:18] <bholley> annevk: in the cases you care about, there should pretty much always be a cx, I'd think
# [13:18] <annevk> okay
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# [13:20] <annevk> So if we give Location a pointer to a base URL and we update that pointer each time the entry script changes, would that work? Alternatively, if that's the model the spec prescribes, is that going to be problematic in some way?
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# [13:21] <bholley> annevk: I think we definitely don't want to be doing a lot of work when the entry script changes
# [13:22] <bholley> annevk: is there a visible difference between what you're proposing and a model where nsLocation just consults the entry script?
# [13:22] <annevk> I don't think so, except that it would preclude us from sharing code
# [13:23] <bholley> annevk: how so?
# [13:23] <annevk> That is, for location.search etc. you'd need custom code rather than run the same thing you'd run for <a>.search
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# [13:24] <annevk> Because you'd need to retrieve the base URL from the script context rather than get the base URL associated with the object
# [13:24] <annevk> bholley: ^^
# [13:25] <bholley> hm
# [13:25] <bholley> annevk: well, can't we get the base URL associated with the object just by examining the global associated with the given nsLocation?
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# [13:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f67abd9e378a - Joel Maher - Bug 840173 - test_screenPersistence.html fails when run on Ubuntu because the left hand launcher bar interferes. r=bz
# [13:26] <bholley> annevk: the script entry point case is the hard one. The other stuff should be relatively easy
# [13:26] <annevk> bholley: I guess in the implementation instead of a pointer to base we could use a getBase() or some such that does the right thing
# [13:26] <annevk> bholley: makes sense
# [13:27] <bholley> annevk: right. Because for nsLocation, we definitely want the script entry point
# [13:27] <bholley> annevk: for the other stuff, I have no idea what we want
# [13:27] <bholley> annevk: but if we just want the nsLocation's global, that's easy to find
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# [13:28] <annevk> I guess we could make the spec emulate that model instead of speccing that when script entry point changes the base URL needs to be updated
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# [13:29] <bholley> annevk: so the base URL is what's used by <a> and such?
# [13:29] <bholley> annevk: whereas the script entry point is used by location?
# [13:30] <annevk> <a> and such have an associated base URL, indeed
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# [13:31] <annevk> but for URLUtils I could say "get the base URL" where it's required and then for <a> and such we'd say to return the associated base URL and for Location we'd say to return the entry script's base URL
# [13:31] <bholley> annevk: that seems to make the most sense to me, but you should run it by bz
# [13:31] <annevk> Instead of saying that URLUtils objects have an associated base URL
# [13:31] <bholley> annevk: yeah, the former seems more elegant
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# [13:32] <bholley> annevk: and more likely to align with the actual implementations
# [13:32] <annevk> thanks
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# [13:33] <annevk> bholley: you want to be acknowledged as "Bobby Holley"?
# [13:33] <bholley> annevk: in the spec? Sure :-)
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# [13:57] <Ms2ger> edmorley, sorry about that :/
# [13:58] <edmorley> np
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# [13:59] <Ms2ger> The Fedora Nightly bustage in IonBuilder is known, right?
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# [14:02] <Ms2ger> And looks like RyanVM got comment 3000 in bug 761987
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# [14:12] <darkowlzz> Ms2ger: ping!\
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> Gah, and I got the bug number wrong too
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> darkowlzz, shoot
# [14:12] <TheOne> Ms2ger: most commented bug ever?
# [14:12] <Ms2ger> TheOne, could be
# [14:13] <darkowlzz> I am still getting those errors when I run the mochitest
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# [14:13] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [14:13] <TheOne> I thought it was 300710 (incl. the duplicates)
# [14:14] <darkowlzz> I did mach build just before applying the patch, should I rebuild it?
# [14:14] <darkowlzz> with the patch
# [14:14] <Ms2ger> Ah
# [14:14] <Ms2ger> Well, the test should fail on a build from before applying the patch
# [14:14] <nemo> hrm. my default firefox profile no longer seems to want to start *unless* I start it w/ ltrace -S - perhaps some timing thing?
# [14:15] <Ms2ger> darkowlzz, try ./mach build content/html toolkit/library and see if it's any better then
# [14:16] <nemo> gdb -p otherwise shows it hanging out in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2/g_cond_wait/g_once_init_enter/gdk_window_get_type
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# [14:16] <nemo> ah. running from commandline works too. hrmmm
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# [14:18] <darkowlzz> Ms2ger: thanks, it will take a long time on my netbook :)
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# [14:19] <Ms2ger> darkowlzz, np
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# [14:29] <@ted> darkowlzz: you're building on a netbook?
# [14:29] <@ted> brave
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# [14:30] <Ms2ger> Does it have more than 512MB of RAM?
# [14:30] <darkowlzz> 2GB
# [14:30] <darkowlzz> usually it takes about 4-5 hrs :D
# [14:30] <Ms2ger> Better than what I used to have, then :)
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# [14:31] <darkowlzz> it's Acer Aspire One
# [14:31] <darkowlzz> so I build it when I goto sleep
# [14:32] <@ted> used to be possible to build with 1GB or less
# [14:32] <@ted> now we have too much code
# [14:32] * darkowlzz wonders what will happen in future
# [14:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d3b021e31616 - Paul Adenot - Bug 839038 - Put .opus as a valid extension in toolkit/content/devicestorage.properties. r=dougt
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# [14:33] <darkowlzz> Ubuntu is getting heavier release per release
# [14:33] <Ms2ger> ted, I blame WebRTC :)
# [14:33] <@ted> hah
# [14:33] <@ted> webrtc is just a few more drops in the bucket
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# [14:33] <Ms2ger> Though the new dom bindings probably suck too
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# [14:34] <Ms2ger> darkowlzz, remind me of the bug number, I'm going to throw it at try
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# [14:36] <darkowlzz> Ms2ger: Bug 839171
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# [14:39] <glandium> ted: if you don't build with debugging info, i think you still can build with 1GB
# [14:40] <@ted> oh yeah?
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# [14:44] <Ms2ger> BenWa, ping
# [14:44] <annevk> bz_sleep: your nick is a lie!
# [14:45] <Ms2ger> annevk, you'd better get used to that :)
# [14:45] <glob> hehe
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# [14:45] <Ms2ger> Ah, glob!
# [14:45] <glob> Ms2ger, well spotted!
# [14:46] <Ms2ger> glob, I hit an issue with splinter...
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# [14:46] <bz> annevk: hmm?
# [14:46] <bz> annevk: I just hadn't gotten around to irc this morning yet. ;)
# [14:46] <annevk> bz: sorry, I've got nothing else
# [14:46] <bz> annevk: heh.
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# [14:47] <Ms2ger> glob, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=839116&attachment=711501 the first comment should be on the second file
# [14:47] <Ms2ger> glob, I suspect it's because of the hg cp/mv in the patch
# [14:47] <glob> Ms2ger, that's possible; splinter doesn't understand hg cp/mv
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# [14:48] <Ms2ger> glob, there's a bug?
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# [14:48] <glob> Ms2ger, there's a few that come to mind. hang on a moment, i'll see what i can dig up
# [14:49] <glob> Ms2ger, fwiw splinter's on the "care" list for this quarter
# [14:49] <Ms2ger> glob, thanks
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# [14:50] <glob> Ms2ger, probably 709897
# [14:51] <jesup> ms2ger: last I checked WebRTC added around 30 seconds to a build on a machine that takes 14 minutes for a cold clobber
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# [14:51] <Ms2ger> glob, looks like that's the one :)
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# [14:52] <Ms2ger> jesup, the issue is when you have less than 8GB of RAM
# [14:52] <Ms2ger> jesup, i.e., where linking libxul swaps
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# [14:52] <jesup> Right; swapping there = no fun
# [14:53] <jesup> I have 16GB of ram I bought to upgrade my old XP machine. $34.99 and I think there was a rebate (DDR3-1333)
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# [14:54] <glandium> jesup: waw, RAM got that cheap?
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# [14:55] <jesup> Are WeakPtr's (mfbt/WeakPtr.h) safe to inherit in a DOM GC'd or CC'd object if it's accessed and references are dropped from MainThread?
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# [14:59] <darkowlzz> Ms2ger: what's that link you just commented? I don't see anything relevant there
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# [15:00] <Ms2ger> darkowlzz, try results will appear there once the tests finish
# [15:01] <darkowlzz> aha.. how do you do that? Does it needs special access?
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# [15:01] <Ms2ger> Need Level 1, yes
# [15:01] <Ms2ger> http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/commit-access-policy/
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# [15:02] <darkowlzz> Ms2ger: which level are you in?
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# [15:02] <darkowlzz> at*
# [15:03] <Ms2ger> 3
# [15:03] <darkowlzz> wow!! great +1
# [15:03] <evilpie> hehe
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# [15:06] <Fallen> Chuck Norris has level 4
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# [15:07] <darkowlzz> is there anything like level 4
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# [15:09] <Ms2ger> No
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# [15:13] <BenWa> Ms2ger: pong
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# [15:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/702007f2f745 - Gabriele Svelto - Bug 820438 - Immediately apply changes in maximum script runtime to make them visible in content processes. r=jst
# [15:14] <Ms2ger> BenWa, which of the patches in bug 767231 are still relevant?
# [15:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/89edfdd1a350 - Thomas Zimmermann - Bug 836523 - Protect mCurrentTaskIsCanceled by lock. r=qdot, r=echou
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# [15:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/164c9a8f3711 - Thomas Zimmermann - Bug 836523 - Cleanup UnixSocketImpl from within I/O thread. r=qdot, r=echou
# [15:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4251e6dd0218 - Thomas Zimmermann - Bug 836523 - Wait for incoming connections in UnixSocketImpl. r=qdot, r=echou
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# [15:15] <BenWa> Ms2ger: Only mine is needed
# [15:15] <Ms2ger> Okay, I made some comments :)
# [15:15] <jincreator_> Hi. I want to know what "chrome globals" mean in devtools. Can anyone describe to me what it is?
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# [15:16] <Ms2ger> jincreator_, javascript global objects for privileged scripts, I guess
# [15:16] <BenWa> Ms2ger: Very throughout, thanks!
# [15:16] <Ms2ger> BenWa, I just *love* complaining ;)
# [15:17] <BenWa> I hate doing follow-ups patches so I don't mind getting it right before landing
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# [15:20] <glandium> Ms2ger: are you french? ;)
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# [15:21] <Ms2ger> glandium, I know at least one French word :)
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# [15:21] <jincreator_> Ms2ger: Sorry, I can't understand(actually I'm not developer...) The original string is "This is the text that appears in the filter text box when it is empty and the chrome globals container is selected". Do you have any idea?
# [15:22] <Ms2ger> jincreator_, no idea, sorry
# [15:22] <@ted> ugh
# [15:22] <@ted> why is my firefox so slow lately
# [15:22] <@ted> everything hitting the disk is painful slow
# [15:22] <@ted> a bunch of cache stuff showing up in profiles
# [15:22] <Ms2ger> ted, time to double check your backups ;)
# [15:22] <@ted> and now this one is under LocalStoreImpl::Flush
# [15:22] <jincreator_> Ms2ger: I see. Thank you.
# [15:23] <glandium> ted: haha localstore
# [15:23] <@ted> yeah :-(
# [15:23] <@ted> main thread IO woo
# [15:23] <@ted> but it's all under ZwCreateFile
# [15:23] <@ted> not sure why everything is super slow
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# [15:24] <@ted> i did just update this machine from Windows 7 Home to Win7 Pro
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# [15:25] <edmorley> Ms2ger: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=838160#c9 ; can you badckout-reland DONTBUILD with correct # please
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# [15:25] <Ms2ger> edmorley, yeah, will do
# [15:25] <edmorley> ta
# [15:25] <edmorley> ted: upgrades not ideal tbh
# [15:26] <@ted> i did the "anytime update"
# [15:26] <edmorley> ah
# [15:26] <@ted> upgrade, whatever
# [15:26] <@ted> it's all the same code
# [15:26] <@ted> i can't imagine it actually has to change anything
# [15:26] <@ted> just flip some permission bit saying it can be a pro install
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# [15:26] <edmorley> yeah true, thought you mean you did a pave-over
# [15:26] <@ted> ah no
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# [15:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/06090cb1dc1f - Benoit Jacob - Bug 840260 - remove AudioChannelManager from classinfoclasses, fix B2G debug builds - no review, build fix
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# [15:42] <bz> Who would know about http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/browser-element/mochitest/browserElement_Auth.js ?
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# [15:46] <xreal> I might have found a bug in Aurora. I can't file this as a bugreport, since it needs a special "tan" on the website to verify. Does anyone of your have the time, to check the error? I would generate a unique TAN for you to test and then I could file a bugreport.
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# [15:48] <decoder> ted: can I bug you for a second with a possible bug in nsinstall.c ?
# [15:48] <xreal> Archaeopteryx: Damn, in this second we found the problem. An addon damaged the formular.
# [15:49] <xreal> I am sorry!
# [15:49] <Archaeopteryx> no problem
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# [15:54] <celia> Hi
# [15:54] <celia> I'm developing a firefox plugin and I have a problem with firefox 18
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# [15:55] <celia> in firefox 17 it works fine
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# [15:55] <celia> In this plugin what we do is listening to GET and POST request exchanged between Firefox and a server, modify the content and send the new message to the server.
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# [15:56] <celia> The problem is when I try to upload the new content back to the channel I obtain the error NS_ERROR_IN_PROGRESS in the method setUploadStrem() in the nsIUploadChannel interface.
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# [15:56] <bz> I asssume pwang is on Western time?
# [15:56] <decoder> anyone else familiar with config/nsinstall.c ?
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# [15:57] <celia> If I run firefox in debug mode, I find that the error is "'SetRequestMethod' called after AsyncOpen" in HttpBaseChannel.cpp line 814.
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# [15:57] <celia> If I go to the SetRequestMethod() function, I find that the error is in ENSURE_CALLED_BEFORE_ASYNC_OPEN().
# [15:57] <celia> More detailed the firefox crush in NS_ENSURE_TRUE(!mIsPending, NS_ERROR_IN_PROGRESS) of ENSURE_CALLED_BEFORE_ASYNC_OPEN() (NeckoCommon.h line 62).
# [15:57] <celia> Anybody has had the same problem?
# [15:58] <celia> Why mIsPending is true?
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# [15:58] <bz> celia: because someone called asyncOpen?
# [15:59] <bz> celia: are you doing SetRequestMethod from inside on-modify-request?
# [15:59] <bz> celia: or modifying the POST data from on-modify-request?
# [16:00] <bz> celia: you there?
# [16:01] <bz> celia: if so, you're running into https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811669
# [16:01] <bz> celia: fixed in Firefox 19
# [16:02] <bz> celia: If you really need to geet this to work in 18, use http-on-opening-request
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# [16:03] <bz> oddly enough, most of these broken tests are in webapps or browser-element
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# [16:03] <bz> Surprise!
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# [16:04] <bz> So if I want to use specialpowers
# [16:04] <bz> don't I need to include specialpowersapi.js?
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> decoder, probably ted
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> bz, no, don't think so
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> bz, that's part of the addon
# [16:05] <bz> ok
# [16:05] <bz> Ah, I see
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# [16:07] <celia> I modify the POST data in the method setUploadStream() ot the nsIUploadChannel
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# [16:07] <bz> celia: yes, but when do you call setUploadStream?
# [16:09] <celia> I capture the POST request, obtain the uploadChannel
# [16:09] <celia> var uploadChannel = http.QueryInterface(Ci.nsIUploadChannel);
# [16:10] <celia> and then I call to setUploadStream
# [16:10] <bz> celia: "capture" how?
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# [16:16] <celia> I capture the POST request with
# [16:16] <celia> observer.addObserver(listeners, 'http-on-modify-request', false);
# [16:17] <bz> celia: ok
# [16:17] <bz> celia: Then see what I said above.
# [16:17] <celia> ok
# [16:17] <celia> thanks!!
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# [16:17] <bz> No problem.
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# [16:18] <annevk> Do we have plans to implement <iframe seamless>, and in particular it's cross-Window event feature (that's ill-defined in part because it's not in DOM yet)?
# [16:18] <annevk> smaug: ^
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# [16:20] <bz> How do I run testing/mochitest/chrome/test_sanityException2.xul ?
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# [16:40] <mounir> Enn: ping
# [16:40] <Enn> hi
# [16:40] <mounir> Enn: any ETA regarding bug 375008?
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# [16:41] <Enn> not yet
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# [16:41] <Enn> but later this week
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# [16:46] <mounir> Enn: ok, just wanted to ask because the previous patch was in your review queue since months, so I was wondering if you were boycotting the bug ;)
# [16:46] <mounir> though, you had good concerns regarding the previous patch
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# [16:50] <jimm> mc is burning
# [16:50] <RyanVM> yep, closing now
# [16:50] <jimm> something related to packaging up symbols
# [16:51] <jimm> make.py[0]: Entering directory 'e:\builds\moz2_slave\m-cen-w32-00000000000000000000\build\obj-firefox'
# [16:51] <jimm> No makefile found
# [16:51] <jimm> program finished with exit code 2
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# [16:52] <RyanVM> happening on inbound too
# [16:52] <jimm> the build was in e:\builds\moz2_slave\m-cen-w32\
# [16:53] <jimm> something fubar'd in our scripts
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# [16:53] <jimm> RyanVM: are you filing a bug?
# [16:53] <RyanVM> closing more trees atm
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# [16:55] <RyanVM> Filing now
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# [16:57] <RyanVM> bug 840547
# [16:58] <@ted> whatever's screwed up on my windows system is sure helping me know where we do main-thread IO
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# [16:58] <derf> "All over the place"
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# [16:59] <@ted> it's not that bad
# [16:59] <@ted> mostly cache
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# [17:21] <@gavin> NeilAway: I had already said so in the bug!
# [17:21] <@gavin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840360#c1
# [17:21] <josh> /msg taras ping
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# [17:26] <NeilAway> gavin: sorry I didn't know the bug#
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# [17:35] <mounir> davidb: ping
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# [17:35] <davidb> mounir: pong
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# [17:36] <mounir> davidb: in which tz is Alexander Surkov?
# [17:36] <davidb> mounir: irkutsk time
# [17:36] <davidb> 1 sec
# [17:36] <davidb> mounir: it is now his 1:39 AM
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# [17:36] <mounir> oh
# [17:37] <davidb> mounir: anything tbsaunde or I can help with?
# [17:37] <mounir> that sounds unlikely he will be around
# [17:37] <mounir> tbsaunde: maby
# [17:37] <davidb> you never know
# [17:37] <mounir> maybe
# [17:37] <davidb> ok
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# [17:37] <mounir> davidb: I need someone from a11y to help me with bug 345195
# [17:37] <mounir> my patch breaks a11y for <input type='file'>
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# [17:37] <davidb> woah
# [17:38] <mounir> and I would need a hand from your team
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# [17:41] <mounir> edmorley: why does m-i is always closed when I want to push something? :)
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# [17:41] <mounir> why is m-i always closed.... even
# [17:41] <edmorley> we see you coming... :P
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# [17:43] <davidb> mounir: looks like surkov is into it… is this time sensitive?
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# [17:45] <davidb> mounir: i think this is a weakness on the a11y side.
# [17:45] <davidb> i.e. our bug
# [17:46] <mounir> davidb: it's not really time sensitive, I was just hoping to land this before the uplift
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# [17:46] <mounir> and I have a dozen of patches for that feature
# [17:46] <jesup> Are WeakPtr's (mfbt/WeakPtr.h) safe to inherit in a DOM GC'd or CC'd object if it's accessed and references are dropped from MainThread? bsmedberg? bz? ehsan? (My guess is "they're not, and don't use them in GC'd things", which means a child object for my Listener I dispatch to MainThread to die.)
# [17:46] <davidb> ah.. mounir when is the snapshot?
# [17:46] <bz> jesup: ping
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# [17:46] <mounir> RyanVM: thanks ;)
# [17:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7da05ff6231c - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 840031 - Use IsTextControl() in nsEventStateManager.cpp. r=smaug
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# [17:47] <davidb> mounir: oh yeah should be doable
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# [17:47] <mounir> davidb: according to /topic, on Monday
# [17:47] <bz> jesup: For bug 822674, any tests I should run other than the ones that I already ran?
# [17:47] <davidb> good
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# [17:47] <davidb> mounir: ok i think best to leave this with surkov. you're in good hands.
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# [17:49] <mounir> davidb: ok, thanks
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# [17:49] <davidb> np
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# [17:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e07057ca9502 - Mike Conley - Bug 839054 - Both "Open Containing Folder" and "Show in Finder" were being used in the Downloads Panel on OSX. r=mak.
# [17:51] <jesup> bz: mochitests should cover this reasonably well; you can make sure media.peerconnection.enabled is true, and try the demos on http://mozilla.github.com/webrtc-landing/ (the nightly-gupshup isn't needed; really just the GUM tests and the single-host chat, and maybe the local datachannel test)
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# [17:54] <@smaug> annevk: pong
# [17:55] <@smaug> late pong
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# [17:55] <@smaug> annevk: so cross-window event thing would be easy
# [17:55] <@smaug> we do dispatch events from content windows to chrome code
# [17:56] <@smaug> so there is some similarity
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# [17:56] <@smaug> annevk: but implementation of seamless is more about layout
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# [17:56] <@smaug> which jet or dbaron might know
# [17:56] <annevk> smaug: I only care about eventing, as that impacts DOM
# [17:57] <@smaug> annevk: so, in current code we don't create a new event
# [17:57] <@smaug> but with seamless that would be needed
# [17:57] <@smaug> still, should be quite easy in the current architecture
# [17:57] <annevk> smaug: why would it be needed btw? because you'd change what attributes return and that'd be observable?
# [17:58] <@smaug> coordinates
# [17:58] <@smaug> coordinates must be sane
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# [17:59] <annevk> but we change target too right?
# [17:59] <annevk> or would in this new world
# [17:59] <@smaug> yes, target would be iframe
# [17:59] <@smaug> I'd imagine
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# [18:00] <annevk> mkay, so speccing this should be relatively straightforward, as I'll leave the coordinate adjusting to others
# [18:00] <annevk> still need to figure out shadow DOM's dispatch story though
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# [18:01] <@smaug> shadow dom would use event re-targeting I think
# [18:01] <jesup> Waldo: Ping
# [18:01] <@smaug> so closer to XBL's event handling
# [18:01] <Waldo> jesup: you rang?
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# [18:02] <jesup> Are WeakPtr's (mfbt/WeakPtr.h) safe to inherit in a DOM GC'd or CC'd object if it's accessed and references are dropped from MainThread? (My guess is "they're not, and don't use them in GC'd things", which means a child object for my Listener I dispatch to MainThread to die.)
# [18:02] <jesup> There's no mention of thread safety in the writeup in WeakPtr.h
# [18:03] <Waldo> jesup: WeakPtr is not threadsafe, no
# [18:03] <Waldo> this could of course theoretically be solved
# [18:03] <Waldo> pretty sure we'd want jcranmer|away's atomics stuff before then, and I have no idea what the status is of that right now
# [18:04] <Waldo> probably not too far along
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# [18:04] <jcranmer|away> and I didn't finish tests for it
# [18:04] <jcranmer|away> (stupid MSVC is defective in missing half the atomics for sub-word-size)
# [18:05] <Waldo> bah, who needs tests for MT code, developers are smart
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# [18:05] <Waldo> that's somewhat surprising, their missing subword stuff
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# [18:06] <Waldo> :-)
# [18:06] <jcranmer|away> they have or, xor, and and for 1,2,4,8-byte words
# [18:06] <jcranmer|away> increment and decrement for 2,4,8
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# [18:14] <glandium> mconnor: i'm not sure i understand comment 0 in bug 840567
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# [18:15] <jesup> Waldo: so, child object and nsProxyRelease or equivalent runnable to MainThread?
# [18:16] <mconnor> glandium: pointing out that some people may complain if we nuke all objdirs from a clobber (i.e. if someone, for some reason, was building both 32 bit and 64 bit from one srcdir
# [18:16] <Waldo> jesup: probably, although I'm not super-familiar with XPCOM proxying goop
# [18:16] <mconnor> )
# [18:16] <@dbaron> annevk, smaug, there's an implementation of a decent part of seamless in a bug somewhere (80xxx) with review+
# [18:16] <@dbaron> annevk, smaug, but not all of it
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# [18:17] <glandium> mconnor: which i would, but i don't understand how that fits with your request of removing obj-*
# [18:17] <annevk> the event stuff was fairly recent addition to the spec
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# [18:17] <glandium> mconnor: which, btw, may not correspond at all to objdirs
# [18:17] <glandium> since people are free to use whatever value for MOZ_OBJDIR
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# [18:18] <mconnor> glandium: I'm not saying we shouldn't use MOZ_OBJDIR, but we should belt-and-suspenders it
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# [18:19] <mconnor> glandium: if people have obj-* directories that aren't objdirs in topsrcdir, I will show them that xkcd and move on ;)
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# [18:20] <glandium> mconnor: after seeing bug 840568, i'd say you don't really need 840567, you just need your old MOZ_OBJDIR definition to be supported
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# [18:20] <@dolske> Waldo: meh, my objdir is named "-rf /"
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# [18:21] <mconnor> glandium: I don't think it's either/or
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# [18:22] <glandium> mconnor: if you didn't hit 840568, why would you want 840567?
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# [18:23] <mconnor> glandium: well, mostly I want 840571, if we're playing a zero sum game here
# [18:23] <glandium> mconnor: especially if you add 840571 to the equation... because you happen to build something that needs a clobber, you want everything gone? i have kept old objdir around for good reasons, that would piss me off if they'd just be removed because the tree requires a clobber
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# [18:24] <froydnj> objdirs are always supposed to live under topsrcdir? uh-oh
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# [18:24] <mconnor> froydnj: no one said that
# [18:24] <glandium> froydnj: fortunately not
# [18:25] <mconnor> glandium: the question is what mach is intended to do
# [18:25] <mconnor> my understanding was straight-up ease of use and DWIM
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# [18:25] <mconnor> when it doesn't DWIM, I consider that a bug
# [18:26] <mconnor> if I type "./mach clobber" in a srcdir, I'm saying "clobber this tree" if I don't add args
# [18:26] <mconnor> IMO
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# [18:27] <mconnor> which I think is 1-N objdirs, as I'm issuing a blanket command
# [18:27] <glandium> mconnor: you have implicit args by the use of a single mozconfig
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# [18:27] <mconnor> I forgot I had a mozconfig at all, tbh.
# [18:27] <mconnor> what if I don't?
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# [18:28] <mconnor> I'm talking about what a piece of software should do by default, my own half-assed configs are somewhat orthogonal :)
# [18:28] <glandium> mconnor: if you don't, there's no reason you'll have several objdirs, except if you do funky stuff like running under linux32
# [18:29] <mconnor> glandium: or if the build system gets confused by legacy stuff :)
# [18:29] <glandium> mconnor: and that in itself is a bug
# [18:29] <mconnor> yep
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# [18:30] <mconnor> there are three bugs I filed, which are "we should DWIM if there's multiple things that look like objdirs", "we shouldn't break on legacy crap in mozconfigs" and "build should do what is needed to build" :)
# [18:30] <mconnor> which of those do you think are wrong?
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# [18:33] <glandium> mconnor: i think the first is
# [18:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/299893af8938 - Jared Wein - Bug 836867 - The Find Toolbar should transition when opening and closing. r=dao
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# [18:35] <mconnor> glandium: so you think |./mach clobber| issued without args in a director should not apply to the directory as a whole?
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# [18:36] <glandium> mconnor: mach build isn't going to build in all the obj-* directories there are, why should other mach commands do that?
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# [18:39] <mconnor> glandium: ok, so let's back up a step: if I invoke mach build without args, what happens?
# [18:39] <Ms2ger> mconnor, whatever the mozconfig says
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# [18:40] <mconnor> Ms2ger: if there's a mozconfig, right?
# [18:40] <Ms2ger> Otherwise the defaults
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# [18:41] <mconnor> I'm actually not sure what I think we should do for multiple builds from a single tree here. I think it's underspecified
# [18:43] <mconnor> I can agree that solving the 2nd and 3rd bugs make this a corner case, but I'll also note that I sort of hate implicit args that make a generic command specific when there's a generic solution as well
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# [18:45] <mounir> is it expected to see very poor build performance those days?
# [18:45] <mbrubeck> This reminds me, I want to package a /usr/bin/mach and /usr/bin/pymake that search upward from the current directory for a srcdir, and then invoke mach/pymake from that dir
# [18:45] <mounir> I feel like my laptop takes ages to compile this build
# [18:45] <mbrubeck> so I can run "mach build" from anywhere in my tree
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# [18:45] <mbrubeck> s/my tree/any of my trees/
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# [18:47] <glandium> gps: what does that do if you're in a different source tree?
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# [18:48] <gps> glandium: it would be bound to a specific srcdir-objdir pair I think
# [18:48] <gps> this is all conceptual right now
# [18:48] <gps> I need to write up a proposal and solicit feedback
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# [18:49] <glandium> i've always found this activate things annoying
# [18:49] <gregglind> is there a nice way to run old firefoxes in OSX (for regression testing and support of addons)... I.e., I want a firefox17.app
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# [18:49] <mbrubeck> gps: What do you think of my wrapper script idea? The nice thing is that we could just include it in mozilla-build, and provide deb/rpm packages for Linux/Mac users, and you can just install them with the rest of the build dependencies
# [18:49] <mbrubeck> then you don't need to run any "activate" script or edit any dotfiles
# [18:49] <mbrubeck> or change your environment at all
# [18:50] <glandium> mbrubeck: i like it
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# [18:50] <gregglind> mbrubeck, that "search up" sounds very similar to fabric, and it's beautiful there :)
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# [18:51] <gps> mbrubeck: I like giving developers tools that improve their workflow. I'm not sure what the best solution is :)
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# [18:52] <gps> we can integrate it into the mozboot (bootstrapper) code into the tree
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# [18:56] <mbrubeck> gps: nice
# [18:57] <mbrubeck> now my biggest wish is for a modern bash that works with the hg bash-completion script.
# [18:57] <mbrubeck> If we kill MozillaBuild, can I just use cygwin?
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# [18:59] <gps> mbrubeck: when I say "kill MozillaBuild" I'm mostly referring to killing the monolithic installer. we'd likely still have a very similar environment. but it would be configured with in-tree data
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# [19:01] <Ms2ger> edmorley, would now be a good time to fix my commit messages?
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# [19:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d4862b10556c - Christos Stathis - Bug 701419 - Add a "Copy Unique Selector" option in the inspected element's menu and the corresponding test. f=paul r=jwalker
# [19:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d426073720eb - Jared Wein - Bug 788165 - Breakpoint arrow does not change to green when the debugger breaks on that line. r=msucan
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# [19:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/161a347bda5b - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
# [19:08] <Ms2ger> edmorley, crap, looks like that would lose all blame for nsHTMLOutputElement.cpp
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# [19:09] <Ms2ger> edmorley, how strongly do you feel about that backout?
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# [19:09] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I don't understand why that would lose blame?
# [19:09] <mdas> jgriffin: whoo!
# [19:10] <edmorley> Ms2ger: or is that a rename?
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# [19:10] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I split the file into a cpp and a header
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# [19:10] <jesup> Waldo: so, the pain of making a separate object to proxy destruction of the WeakPtr-inheriting Listener turns out the be pretty much the same pain of adding locks to the Listener calls in the first place; it just moves them and makes it more complicated. Bummer, since WeakPtr seemed like the perfect choice (and worked for the other killed-on-mainthread object)
# [19:10] <edmorley> Ms2ger: oh so hg copy?
# [19:10] <Ms2ger> Yep, and remove half the file from each copy
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# [19:10] <Ms2ger> Merging files is... less obvious
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# [19:11] <jcranmer> Waldo: do you think you have more time/resources to polish off mfbt atomics than I?
# [19:11] <Waldo> jcranmer: absolutely not :-)
# [19:11] <jcranmer> it sounds like someone wants it
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# [19:11] <jcranmer> of course, the real hard part about testing is we don't have mfbt threads
# [19:12] <jcranmer> so all I can test is that atomicA + atomicB is the same as A + B
# [19:12] <edmorley> Ms2ger: I'd say just leave it then
# [19:12] <Ms2ger> edmorley, okay, thanks
# [19:12] <Waldo> jcranmer: bug 773491 has a bunch of work on that stuff that got derailed when other JS people decided to do something novel (or so I understand it)
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# [19:13] <jcranmer> I hope I land atomics first
# [19:13] <jcranmer> I don't want to write real atomic tests :-)
# [19:13] <Waldo> heh
# [19:13] <Waldo> jcranmer: although, isn't this what model checkers are supposed to help with, or something?
# [19:13] <jcranmer> well, the problem is you'd get nondeterministic failure
# [19:13] <Waldo> well, sure
# [19:13] <Waldo> ergo, model checkers
# [19:14] <Waldo> I know cjones was throwing them at problems back in the day and claiming victories
# [19:14] <jcranmer> I can write a test that *might* fail if it's using something other than seq-cst, but I don't think I can write one that *would* fail
# [19:14] <Waldo> I myself have never used them, so :-)
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# [19:14] <jcranmer> model checkers and I have a love-hate relationship
# [19:14] <Waldo> might-fail is better than nothing, at least
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# [19:14] <Waldo> would-fail would be ideal, but probably it's impossible, except via model-checking
# [19:15] <Waldo> or one of those run-all-ways things
# [19:15] * jcranmer whistles at his wip clang static plugin checker
# [19:15] * Waldo can't remember the names of any such things offhand, knows they exist tho
# [19:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/74e6960db18c - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 752422 - Add null-check for plugin tag. r=bsmedberg
# [19:15] <jcranmer> one of the things I dislike most about C++11 is that their <chrono> stuff is an obtuse API
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# [19:16] * Waldo really hasn't looked closely at much of the C++11 std APIs
# [19:16] <glandium> jcranmer: are there non obtuse APIs in C++ ? ;)
# [19:16] <jcranmer> which infects half the threading stuff
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# [19:16] <jcranmer> glandium: uh.... std::sort?
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# [19:20] <jcranmer> Waldo: there are three standard clocks you can use, each of which gives you values with unspecified resolution, so you have to parameterize every use with the timescale you want, which happens via templates naturally enough
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# [19:21] <Waldo> fun times
# [19:21] <Waldo> (pun intended)
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# [19:21] <jcranmer> so I'm not sure how you can actually specify a timeout of 3 seconds on a lock method
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# [19:23] <jcranmer> well, I still think C++11 atomics would have been better served by placing all the memory ordering requirements on the class template itself rather than as optional parameters on the methods
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# [19:23] <jcranmer> especially since the parameters are just enums, which means you can specify at runtime which memory ordering you want
# [19:24] <Waldo> jcranmer: so accesses to a field have whatever ordering you want on them, and not one particular ordering specific to the field? sounds complex and bug-prone
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# [19:24] <jcranmer> there's a reason my mozilla::Atomic does a different API
# [19:25] <Waldo> heh
# [19:25] <Waldo> that seems like a good thing to me!
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# [19:25] <jcranmer> if I were to write an MFBT API, I'd probably port the XPCOM mutex/etc. stuff wholesale
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# [19:25] <Waldo> that's what the patches in bug 773491 did, mostly
# [19:26] <Waldo> there was some sad because changing all mutex users at once is difficult, so you'd have two implementations existing for awhile
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# [19:26] <Waldo> but you could change incrementally, so it wouldn't have been too horrible
# [19:26] <jcranmer> meh, make the xpcom API include mfbt API instead
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# [19:27] <Waldo> agreed basically
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# [19:28] <Waldo> this was to add a JS mutex, I think, then change the XPCOM API to have that interface, then move the JS mutex into mfbt
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# [19:28] <Waldo> but details are hazy, eight months later
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# [19:31] <BenWa> bsmith: RE: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767231#c35 my current approach wont impact existing tests. I think finding a solution for them should be dealt seperatly
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# [19:32] <jwir3> whoa, that's cool
# [19:32] <jwir3> I just noticed a thing in the bottom of the browser that says, "Nightly seems... slow... to... start
# [19:33] <BenWa> jwatt did that ^^
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# [19:33] <jwir3> Nice work, jwatt!!
# [19:33] <bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/tests/test_imestate.html?force=1#245
# [19:33] * bz cries
# [19:34] <bz> This is going to be a ... long slog. :(
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> is_not, eh?
# [19:34] <bz> Yeah
# [19:34] <bz> Guess what that does?
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> Throw!
# [19:34] <jwir3> haha
# [19:34] <bz> Yes!
# [19:34] <bz> And then?
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> Currently nothing!
# [19:34] <bz> Exactly
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> In the future, report to window.onerror!
# [19:34] <Waldo> is_not doesn't exist, I take it?
# [19:34] <bz> In my tree, report to window.onerror
# [19:34] <Ms2ger> Waldo, it doesn't
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# [19:35] <bz> mochitest-chrome: 73957/8922/289
# [19:35] <bz> Is the result
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# [19:35] <Ms2ger> ._.
# [19:35] * bz points to that middle number
# [19:35] * Ms2ger cries
# [19:35] <bz> Waldo: indeed
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# [19:35] <bsmith> BenWa: Do you know when we'll be able to run the GTest-based tests in TBPL with the double-linking?
# [19:35] <bz> And a second question
# [19:35] <BenWa> bsmith: No, I imagine once we get useful test then we can start running it
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# [19:36] <bz> I'm taking bets on whether that test will pass when I fix the spelling of isnot()
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# [19:36] <bz> Anyone want to offer odds? :(
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# [19:36] <BenWa> bsmith: We don't need double-linking to run on TBPL
# [19:36] <Waldo> wcgr
# [19:36] <Ms2ger> I don't bet on that, sorry :)
# [19:36] <Jesse> bz: what change are you making that breaks that test? making js errors in mochitest count as failures??
# [19:36] <Ms2ger> But I assume that any disabled test is broken
# [19:36] <bz> Jesse: fixing bug 503244
# [19:36] <jcranmer> oh, are we *finally* getting nonbroken C++ unit tests?
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, possibly
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# [19:37] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, possibly not
# [19:37] <bz> Jesse: well, as a side-effect of other things, but that's what's breaking this test.
# [19:37] <jcranmer> 2 or 3 years after we broke several of them?
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# [19:37] <bsmith> BenWa: OK, I will try to modify some of my local tests based on your modifications and see if everything works. I am glad that you finished off that bug. Thanks
# [19:38] <BenWa> bsmith: I'm hoping to have a build peer help with the double-linking. I don't know how to do it cleanly. So for now the best bet is to land, start writing tests and let someone implement double linking
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# [19:38] <BenWa> bsmith: As far as external tests go. Having gtest in the tree shouldn't hurt and they will continue to run as-is. We can let existing tests refactor how they see fit. I'm pushing this along ASAP because I want the new GFX code to have unit tests
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> BenWa, also, when did Azure get renamed?
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# [19:40] <BenWa> Ms2ger: Bas and Joe don't want that name to be used. It's just an internal project code name AFAIK. I've just been calling it the right name Moz2D
# [19:40] <Waldo> ...azure got renamed?
# [19:40] <BenWa> Azure is Moz2D yes
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# [19:41] <Jesse> bz: fwiw, i think it would be fair for you to disable the broken parts of broken tests, file bugs against the tests, and not feel like you have to immediately fix all the problems uncovered by fixing bug 503244
# [19:42] <bz> Jesse: mmm
# [19:42] <bz> Jesse: well, the thing is...
# [19:42] <bz> Jesse: I have to debug them anyway to tell whether the test is broken
# [19:42] <Ms2ger> ... bz's the good guy :)
# [19:42] <bz> Jesse: or whether my patch is
# [19:42] <bz> Jesse: at which point, fixing them is pretty trivial ususally
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# [19:43] <Jesse> i see
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# [19:44] <Waldo> that's usually how it goes with broken tests, in my experience
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# [19:45] <jlebar> bz: Did you get the issue with browserElement_Auth.js cleared up?
# [19:46] <bz> jlebar: yes
# [19:46] <jlebar> bz: okay, thanks.
# [19:47] <bz> jlebar: in fact, posting patch for that now. ;)
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# [19:50] <Waldo> nemo: did you ever happen to file that bug about that thing last week that was bad on MDN?
# [19:50] <nemo> Waldo: nope
# [19:51] <nemo> Waldo: I did warn people in #css about naughtiness/inaccuracy of the example and told him how to do it right :)
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# [19:51] <nemo> I wouldnt've even linked it had I read the CSS first
# [19:51] <joe> Waldo: Ms2ger: it was never named Azure - the project to make it is named azure :)
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# [19:51] <Ms2ger> joe, hah
# [19:52] <Waldo> joe: KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
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# [19:52] <cpeterson> Azure is Microsoft's Windows cloud platform.
# [19:52] <Waldo> that's arguably even worse than SpiderMonkey insisting on naming stuff monkeys and confusing everyone to death
# [19:52] <nemo> Waldo: but. leads to cool mascot art!
# [19:53] <nemo> Waldo: ionmonkey can have a sweet jetpack
# [19:53] <Waldo> nemo: yes. but no.
# [19:53] <KWierso|Home> nemo: but that's for the Jetpack team! :|
# [19:53] <Waldo> increasingly I'm convinced it's all more trouble than it's worth, and too confusing when doing developer marketing/evangelism/what-have-you
# [19:53] <Waldo> heck, even the name SpiderMonkey is just bad
# [19:53] <Waldo> v8 at least is pithy and memorable
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# [19:54] <Waldo> SpiderMonkey is just obscure
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# [19:54] <nemo> KWierso|Home: hehe. um... TIE fighter that isn't quite one to avoid trademark infringement?
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# [19:54] <nemo> Waldo: v8 is a silly name
# [19:54] <nemo> Waldo: and I guess only not a copyright violation due to separate domains
# [19:55] <Waldo> nemo: true enough, but it's at least not weird and hard to remember
# [19:55] <nemo> http://images.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&q=spidermonkey loook. cute!
# [19:55] <nemo> ok. some of them
# [19:55] <@dolske> FireMonkey
# [19:55] * Waldo is reminded of all the Firefox version codenames back in the day, and hating that they were all unpronounceable
# [19:55] <Waldo> hoorah for rapid release!
# [19:56] <nemo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames
# [19:56] <@dolske> Waldo: the last one deliberately so.
# [19:56] <Jesse> Bone Cho was pronounceable
# [19:56] <joe> Waldo: hence "mozilla's 2d library" -> "moz2d"
# [19:56] <bz> Jesse: Too much Harry Potter movie?
# [19:57] <joe> we made mistakes with naming things Thebes
# [19:57] <@dolske> "Tumucumaque"
# [19:57] <joe> never again!
# [19:57] <taras> does adblock wlad hang out on irc?
# [19:57] <cpeterson> dherman told me the asm.js work was to be (I believe) "OdinMonkey"
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# [19:59] <cpeterson> wasn't there a Netscape JVM project renamed "Electrical Fire" because people didn't like the name "Sexual Chocolate"?
# [20:00] <dougt> lmandel: you know us soooo well.
# [20:00] <dougt> :)
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# [20:02] <Waldo> cpeterson: yeah, that makes me somewhat sad :-\
# [20:02] <joe> wtf
# [20:02] <joe> my build on Windows is failing
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# [20:03] <joe> dombindings_test_s.lib
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# [20:03] <joe> wtf is going on with this machine
# [20:03] <gw280> try megatron?
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# [20:06] <lmandel> BenWa: Can you still give a short talk about timers on shutdown during the platform meeting?
# [20:06] <lmandel> (on now)
# [20:06] <jwir3> wow
# [20:06] <jwir3> nemo: I now know where the name 'XBox' came from.
# [20:06] <jwir3> nemo: That makes way more sense now
# [20:07] <jhammel> oh, it used to run X? ;)
# [20:07] <jwir3> haha
# [20:07] <jhammel> i'd pay for that
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# [20:07] <jwir3> jhammel: Nope, it used to be called "DirectX Box"
# [20:08] <jhammel> beh; though i'm so much out of the windows world that when DirectX was first being talked about, I took it as some windows thing for running X clients
# [20:08] <Waldo> :-)
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# [20:08] <jhammel> boy was i wrong! (I also assumed "Kill Bill" referred to Gates)
# [20:09] <Waldo> haha
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# [20:09] <Waldo> and you are a bad person
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# [20:09] <jhammel> sadly, all of those things are true
# [20:09] * Waldo is still wondering what MS is going to do about webgl, exactly
# [20:09] <jhammel> make webdirectx?
# [20:09] <Waldo> given that they've ceded the 3d graphics ground for basically years now
# [20:09] <jwir3> and call it 'WEBX"
# [20:09] <Waldo> if they were going to do that, I'd have expected it a few years ago
# [20:09] <Waldo> now, I think that's too late to try
# [20:10] <jwir3> Waldo: That's what people said about a windows mobile OS and a windows tablet. ;)
# [20:10] <jhammel> and they were right :)
# [20:10] <Waldo> haha
# [20:10] <jwir3> jhammel: NOPE! Plow through anyway!
# [20:10] <jhammel> :)
# [20:10] <jwir3> :)
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# [20:11] <Waldo> they tried XDomainRequest, and surprisingly enough that seems to have failed horribly; with no alternative to webgl yet, I expect similar failure should they try
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# [20:13] <mbrubeck> Why is os.stat flat-out lying to me in Python on Windows?
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# [20:16] <froydnj> it lies, precious
# [20:17] <mbrubeck> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2134300
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# [20:18] <jwir3> is it possible to get localStorage to be sync'ed across firefox instances?
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# [20:19] <jwir3> (I assume not, but is there any desire for it to be added to sync?)
# [20:19] <mbrubeck> BOO http://bugs.python.org/issue10888
# [20:19] <KWierso|Home> jwir3: I'm sure it's possible
# [20:19] <NeilAway> Waldo: over here, V8 is the name of a vegetable juice drink
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# [20:19] <Waldo> NeilAway: it is here, too, and the stuff's awful :-)
# [20:20] <mak> mbrubeck: mercurial has a similar bug, X on Windows is pointless
# [20:20] <KWierso|Home> you could probably set up a Fx Sync engine for it, but you'd have to have it handle processing the changes on both ends
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# [20:20] <jwir3> KWierso: Is there a wiki page for introduction to how sync works, and perhaps writing a sync engine?
# [20:20] <jwir3> KWierso|Home: ^^
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# [20:21] <KWierso|Home> jwir3: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Firefox_Sync/JavaScript_Client_API ?
# [20:21] <jwir3> KWierso|Home: Thx
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# [20:22] <KWierso|Home> jwir3: though I think Sync restricts how much data can be up in the service, so maybe localstorage would be too much?
# [20:23] * KWierso|Home hasn't really tracked the Sync stuff
# [20:23] <Luqman> jgriffin: hey, who should i ask for a review for a patch to the mochitest script in m-c/testing/ ?
# [20:23] <jwir3> KWierso|Home: I was thinking of adding only a specific part of localStorage
# [20:23] <jgriffin> Luqman: for desktop mochitest, Fennec, or B2G?
# [20:23] <jgriffin> or, which file are you patching?
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# [20:24] <BenWa> lmandel: I remembered a bit too late sorry
# [20:24] <BenWa> I'll bring it up next time
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# [20:24] <Archaeopteryx> https://blog.mozilla.org/services/2011/06/15/enabling-quotas-for-firefox-sync/ says 25 MB/user
# [20:25] <Luqman> jgriffin: testing/marionette/client/marionette/venv_mochitest.sh
# [20:25] <Ms2ger> edmorley++
# [20:25] <nalexander> jwir3: there is no deep reason that you couldn't sync localStorage.
# [20:25] <jgriffin> Luqman: oh you can ask me for review for that one
# [20:25] <nalexander> jwir3: but Sync is pretty much deprecated at this point; not sure you'd want to go this route.
# [20:25] <nalexander> rnewman: ^ anything to add?
# [20:25] <nalexander> mconnor: ^ same?
# [20:25] <jwir3> nalexander: Sync is deprecated?
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# [20:26] <nalexander> jwir3: pretty much. No idea what messaging within the org looks like at this point.
# [20:26] <jwir3> nalexander: As in, we're going with something different, or we're just not going to do any cross-instance syncing of user prefs, etc?
# [20:26] * rnewman looks
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# [20:26] <nalexander> jwir3: we're going with something different for ongoing development: #PiCL (Profile-in-the-Cloud).
# [20:26] <rnewman> jwir3: this is a long story
# [20:26] <jwir3> ah
# [20:26] <nalexander> rnewman++
# [20:26] <rnewman> one with no top-down messaging
# [20:26] <jwir3> I remember reading about this on dev-platform I think
# [20:27] <rnewman> the bottom-up messaging seems fairly correct
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# [20:27] <nalexander> jwir3: Early days for #PiCL; what discussion there is takes place in #identity, #picl, and dev.identity.
# [20:27] <jwir3> ok
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# [20:33] <Luqman> jgriffin: thanks, made a bug on bugzilla with a patch
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# [20:40] <gregglind> is there a place for downloading old firefoxes so I can have a 'firefox17.app' or such
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> Whoa, PRBool
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# [20:46] <KWierso|Home> gregglind: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ ?
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# [20:46] <gregglind> Awesome, thanks!
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# [20:48] <gregglind> KWierso, is there a way of 'renaming it' to be firefox17.app so it doesn't conlfict with my usual release?
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# [20:49] <KWierso|Home> I'd assume you could just rename it
# [20:49] <KWierso|Home> dunno how mac stuff works, though
# [20:49] <gregglind> map apps have a lot of magic, I will research
# [20:49] <bz> You just rename it
# [20:50] <bz> http://web.mit.edu/bzbarsky/www/test.png
# [20:50] <bz> Note that if you want them to run with different profiles you have to do a bit more work
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# [20:51] <gregglind> bz, it's a dmg. what exactly did you rename?
# [20:52] <bz> I renamed the .app after I got it out of the dmg
# [20:52] <gregglind> did you do the "install both" option?
# [20:52] <seth> so i'm getting this from a crashtest: REFTEST TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | | EXCEPTION: Error 6
# [20:52] <gregglind> ah, thanks, bz
# [20:52] <seth> what kind of exception does this indicate? JS level? some sort of C++-level thing? (obviously not a real C++ exception)
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# [20:53] <seth> hmm.. i'm running the test under gdb, though, and i would've expected gdb to break. does the crashtest harness stop that from happening?
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# [20:53] <Ms2ger> seth, never seen that before, fwiw
# [20:54] <padenot> ha, not exit code -6
# [20:54] <seth> Ms2ger: lucky me =(
# [20:54] <ojan> anyone around who understand rendering of replaced elements?
# [20:54] <ojan> i'
# [20:54] <ojan> i'm trying to get webkit to match mozilla's behavior with a weird quirk...and i can't figure out exactly what the behavior is.
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# [20:54] <ojan> http://jsfiddle.net/xbjty/
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# [20:54] <Ms2ger> ojan, roc or dbaron, I'd say
# [20:55] <Ms2ger> Or maybe bz
# [20:55] <ojan> Ms2ger: yeah, they were my people to nag, but they don't seem to be around
# [20:55] <@ted> seth: i assume that's some kind of JS exception
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# [20:55] <ojan> bz: maybe you know? or at least can point me in the direciton of the right code?
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# [20:56] <ojan> it seems like percentage width replaced element inside table-cells have an intrinsic width of 0...but only inside table cells, not inside other shrink-wrapped content
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# [20:56] <ojan> i'm wondering if mozilla actually walks up the tree to see if the replaced element is inside a table cell
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# [20:56] <ojan> having trouble reverse engineering this
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# [20:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ea5aa0db572 - Jim Blandy - Bug 839791: Update JS GDB support for JS_ARRAY_HOLE -> JS_ELEMENTS_HOLE change. r=sfink
# [20:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4ed4f90669b5 - Jim Blandy - Bug 840319: Keep js/src/gdb/gdb-tests.cpp's 'breakpoint' function from being unified with other functions in SM. r=sfink
# [20:57] <seth> how might i cause gdb to break when JS throws an exception?
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# [21:06] <Ms2ger> ojan, I'm thinking email might work better :)
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# [21:08] <ojan> Ms2ger: yeah. i'll go there if i can't figure this out. digging through code at mxr at the moment. hopefully i can just find the right bit of code
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> Nothing I'm well-versed in either, I'm afraid :/
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# [21:10] <Optimizer> I know I asked this a few weeks back and my bad form not remembering it. I tried to search up the logs, no luck
# [21:10] <Optimizer> so here it goes.
# [21:10] <dholbert> ojan, I believe you'd want to look at nsImageFrame::ComputeSize, which calls nsLayoutUtils::ComputeSizeWithIntrinsicDimensions
# [21:10] <Optimizer> What is the special names for selectors like 'foo > bar' or 'foo bar'
# [21:11] <Optimizer> (involving the child nodes)
# [21:11] <dholbert> ojan, and it passes in aCBSize, which is the size of the containing block
# [21:11] <dholbert> ojan, which I believe for a table-cell isn't known yet, because we have to do width- balancing between table columns
# [21:11] <@smaug> dholbert: is flexbox enabled in nightlies ?
# [21:11] <dholbert> smaug, yes
# [21:11] <ojan> dholbert: thanks! I was looking at nsLayoutUtils::IntrinsicForContainer.
# [21:12] <dholbert> ojan, in most other cases, we probably know the cb size
# [21:12] <dholbert> ojan, which is probably why percent widths work there
# [21:12] <@smaug> Optimizer: hey, do you recall the background painting bug# ?
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# [21:12] <dholbert> Optimizer, "descendant selector"?
# [21:12] <Optimizer> smaug: let me search it up
# [21:12] <Optimizer> dholbert: I remember neil or smaug having a better and actual name
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# [21:13] <ojan> dholbert: in other shrink-wrapping cases, you still don't know the size, right? (e.g. float, inline-block, absolute positioned)
# [21:13] <Optimizer> smaug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836844
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# [21:13] <Optimizer> you still facing the issue ?
# [21:13] <dholbert> ojan, oh right, I forgot that you were comparing to other shrink-wrapping cases
# [21:13] <dholbert> ojan, I suspect we treat percent-widths as "auto" there?
# [21:13] <@smaug> Optimizer: ah, it got fixed. I think I was using too old build earlier
# [21:14] <ojan> dholbert: anyways, thanks for the pointer...at least i know i'm looking at the right code now. :)
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# [21:14] <ojan> dholbert: it's fun reading mozilla code and seeing the similarities
# [21:14] <dholbert> ojan, no problem! ns*Frame::ComputeSize is the relevant method for that, yeah
# [21:14] <dholbert> ojan, heh. :)
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# [21:15] <ojan> dholbert: e.g. all the quirks for flexbox are exactly the same, with pretty much the same comments
# [21:15] <dholbert> nice
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# [21:15] <dholbert> / spooky
# [21:15] <dholbert> :)
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# [21:17] <Optimizer> so if there are not better words that descendant, I am using that
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# [21:17] <Optimizer> ah, combinators.
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# [21:19] <dholbert> Optimizer, technically it looks like the combinator is the character separating "foo" and "bar"
# [21:19] <dholbert> Optimizer, so it's the space character, or the > character
# [21:19] <Optimizer> so what do I call the whole selector
# [21:19] <Optimizer> in that case
# [21:19] <dholbert> It's a selector
# [21:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6124f1fc8e3a - Patrick McManus - bug 837939 announce spdy max streams 0 to disable push r=honzab
# [21:20] <Optimizer> I see.
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# [21:20] <Optimizer> So since it has no name, I am naming it 'Barny'
# [21:20] <dholbert> Optimizer, see http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#selector-syntax
# [21:21] <dholbert> Optimizer, "A selector is a chain of one or more simple selectors separated by combinators. Combinators are: white space, ">", and "+". White space may appear between a combinator and the simple selectors around it."
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# [21:21] <Optimizer> no worries, I already named it Barny, will submit to W3C also . Hope they approve ;)
# [21:22] <Optimizer> dholbert: Thanks for clearing that up, I did not want my comment in the code to be misleading
# [21:22] <dholbert> np
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# [21:27] <dustin> joe: we (IT) need a bit of help getting graphics cards set up in the new test hardware, specifically around bug 838351
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# [21:28] <dustin> specifically, what should we be looking for to figure out why menus look like this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=838351#c10 on the nvidia hardware?
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# [21:28] <dustin> or any GFx folks, really
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# [21:29] <dustin> jrmuizel: ^?
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# [21:29] <Optimizer> now how to read this : https://bug838351.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=711352
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# [21:29] <dustin> yeah, it's mirrored vertically
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# [21:29] <Optimizer> brain says rotate right, eyes say rotate left :|
# [21:29] <dustin> I haven't seen that again, though
# [21:30] <jrmuizel> dustin: ?
# [21:30] <dustin> jrmuizel: looking for some ideas for what might be wrong in the userspace-kernel-gpu pipeline that would cause black-on-black menus
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# [21:30] <dustin> (firefox and any app is black-on-black, too)
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# [21:30] <jhammel|lunch> ah, the goth theme
# [21:31] <dustin> in fact, if you run xeyes, the eyeballs show up as black boxes and are never overwritten with white
# [21:31] <dustin> hah, yeah
# [21:31] <dustin> we're kinda stuck on how to fix it
# [21:31] <jrmuizel> dustin: seems like you have some badness
# [21:31] <dustin> so any ideas, as in "oh, adjust the nvidia.suck-level sysctl to 17" would be helpful ;)
# [21:31] <jrmuizel> I have no ideas
# [21:31] <Optimizer> I think over 9000! will do.
# [21:32] <Optimizer> there are issues with NVidia card on windows 7 too :( (arrow panel flickering)
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# [21:32] <dustin> jrmuizel: I assume that leaving it like this would produce sub-optimal test results?
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# [21:32] <jrmuizel> dustin: probably?
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# [21:33] <jrmuizel> sounds like it's not great
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# [21:34] <dustin> thoughts on people or places I could look for help?
# [21:34] <dustin> we've been spinning wheels on this for >2 days now :(
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# [21:36] <@bsmedberg> What are .pde files? I think it's something related to processing
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# [21:37] <sfink> dustin: #gfx, maybe?
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# [21:37] <@bsmedberg> ah, this must be Java
# [21:38] <mcsmurf> dustin: what Ubuntu version is this? just wondering
# [21:38] <mcsmurf> running on headless
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# [21:39] <dustin> latest LTS
# [21:39] <mcsmurf> k
# [21:39] <dustin> 12.04 I think
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# [21:40] <dustin> it's not technically headless - we're using an EDID file to make the card think there's a screen attached (which saves us a bundle on EDID simulators)
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# [21:43] <mconnor> jdm: feel free to call BS on anything in that etherpad, btw
# [21:43] <mconnor> :)
# [21:43] <jdm> righto
# [21:44] <nrc> I see this in a Try run from last night: ReferenceError: reflectString is not defined at http://mochi.test:8888/tests/content/html/content/test/forms/test_output_element.html
# [21:44] <nrc> familiar to anyone?
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# [21:46] <jimm> RyanVM: ping
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# [21:48] <RyanVM> jimm: pong
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# [21:49] <mconnor> jdm: I'm not even sure if that's a useful part of the user contract
# [21:50] <mconnor> "we'll kinda-sorta forget what you did" :)
# [21:50] <jimm> RyanVM: hey, I'm going to push some things to mc, assuming that's ok?
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# [21:50] <RyanVM> as long as you watch it, yes :)
# [21:50] <RyanVM> i'm stepping out for a bit, bbl
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# [21:50] <jdm> mconnor: I think specifying it as "stuff you can find by snooping around the browser" is useful
# [21:50] <mconnor> jdm: bookmarks, but yeah
# [21:51] <jdm> yeah, I was just thinking about that
# [21:51] <reuben> https://stevenadunn.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/code_refactoring.gif
# [21:51] <mconnor> jdm: is the "keep configured toolbars different" an explicit choice, or a byproduct?
# [21:51] <jdm> mconnor: Not sure. I don't recall reading a bug about it.
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# [21:52] <jdm> it's curious that it works. I wonder where that information is stored?
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# [21:53] <mconnor> jdm: it's all XUL persistence, if the window is somehow named differently it'll cache differently
# [21:53] <jdm> hmm, if it was introduced with per-window, then it's totally incidental
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# [21:53] <mconnor> reuben: so good
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# [21:55] <@gavin> jdm/mconnor: context for what you guys are discussing?
# [21:55] <jdm> gavin: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/private-browsing-and-user-metrics
# [21:56] <@gavin> thanks
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# [21:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/19c2ed845e67 - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 587780 - Part 3 - Switch consumers from using a special content-type to the purpose argument. r=rnewman,gavin
# [21:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7fb308b8d436 - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 587780 - Part 2 - Tests for purpose argument for searches. r=gavin
# [21:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1ba8ddf7bef0 - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 587780 - Part 5 - Test Google search params with @purpose. r=gavin
# [21:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b061b91098b2 - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 590068 - Use search service to keep track of additional search params in about:home. r=gavin,mak
# [21:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ffa0a72ac95d - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 587780 - Part 4 - Test search service's JSON cache. r=rnewman,gavin
# [21:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da6fdc53ba9c - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 583175 - Add a security delay to popup notifications. r=gavin,dolske ui-r=shorlander
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# [22:03] <mcsmurf> dustin: about the graphics problem, just wondering, have you considered/tried to update to the latest nvidia driver?
# [22:03] <mcsmurf> or is this not an option
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# [22:27] <gaston> gaaah lost a push race again
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# [22:28] <Waldo> just after lunch P[SD]T
# [22:28] <gaston> ah it's party time there
# [22:28] <fryn> gaston: sorry :( i wish we had a solution in place for this sort of thing
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# [22:28] <gaston> there :)
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# [22:29] <ojan> dholbert: ok. i've figured out how this works...in the process, i believe i've found a flexbox / replaced elements bug in Firefox http://jsfiddle.net/NFkEC/
# [22:29] <gaston> i'll keep my pushes for european daytime, its usually very calm :)
# [22:29] <ojan> dholbert: in the flexbox, the image is getting sized larger than it's intrinsic size and overflowing outside it's container when it shouldn't be
# [22:29] <ojan> dholbert: this is a bug right?
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# [22:30] <@roc> gaston: while (1) { hg pull --rebase; hg push }
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# [22:30] <gaston> ah i was using hg qimport -r + hg qpop + hg pull -u + hg qpush + hg qfin
# [22:31] <jesup> roc: that's evil :-)
# [22:31] <ojan> dholbert: i believe the bug is at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsLayoutUtils.cpp#2884...shouldn't be setting the minWidth to 0 if the container is a flexbox
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# [22:32] <RyanVM> jimm: ping
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# [22:33] <RyanVM> jimm: is your push going to need a clobber when it gets merged back over to inbound?
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# [22:34] <gregglind> So..... this is old news... IndexedDb changes / bugs between 16 and 17?
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# [22:34] <dholbert> ojan, looking
# [22:34] <jimm> RyanVM: shouldn't need a clobber
# [22:35] <RyanVM> ok
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# [22:35] <jimm> if you run into any merge conflicts I can assist, but i doubt you will.
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# [22:35] <jimm> it's mostly new files
# [22:36] <dholbert> ojan, we match opera on that testcase, FWIW
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# [22:37] <dholbert> ojan, see http://jsfiddle.net/NFkEC/1/
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# [22:37] <dholbert> ojan, I made the lower example closer to the upper one (but not using flexbox), w/ inline-block and white-space: nowrap
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# [22:37] <dholbert> ojan, and they render the same, indicating that I think we're doing the right thing for flexbox
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# [22:40] <bjacob> nrc: so, at CompositorOGL.cpp:733, i should be creating a DirectExternalTextureHost in the b2g path, except that path is #if'd out at the moment and not implemented. i could jump to implementing it, but it would be nice to have a working intermediate state before i get into gralloc impl. is there a quick way to make this work without returning a Direct texturehost here? i.e. make the client not expect a Direct one?
# [22:40] <dholbert> ojan, here's the testcase w/ webkit-prefixed styles, too -- renders the same there as well. http://jsfiddle.net/NFkEC/2/ (maybe I'm misunderstanding you though)
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# [22:44] <dholbert> ojan, and a bit higher up in that method, there's a comment about min-width: auto being intentionally treated as 0.
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# [22:44] <@dolske> froydnj: yes, I have lots of comments but am slowly catching up. bug 839961 might be of interest to you!
# [22:44] <dholbert> ojan, er sorry, you're not talking about min-width
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# [22:45] <ojan> dholbert: yeah...this is about the quirk of percentage width on replaced elements getting treated as 0
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# [22:45] <ojan> dholbert: webkit does this everywhere
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# [22:45] <ojan> dholbert: gecko only does it for the callers of nsLayoutUtils::IntrinsicForContainer
# [22:46] <ojan> dholbert: seems like we shouldn't extend this quirk to new APIs
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# [22:46] <dholbert> ojan, I'm not particularly familiar w/ this quirk, so I'm not sure
# [22:47] <ojan> dholbert: yeah...mean neither...i'm just encountering it for the first time today
# [22:47] <dholbert> ojan, the testcase you attached doesn't seem to exercise it, though. (if I change the percentage to something smaller, the image ends up smaller)
# [22:47] <dholbert> and my tweaked testcase renders identically (w/ inline-flexbox matching inline-block) in opera/chrome/firefox
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# [22:48] <dholbert> so I think the current behavior is interoperable, at least, regardless of whether there's a quirk being applied. :)
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# [22:49] <ojan> dholbert: jsfiddle seems to be having issues...i'm unable to load that url :(
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# [22:49] <ojan> but i think you might be right that i'm misinterpreting this situation
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# [22:49] <@bz> For intrinsic widths it's not exactly a quirk
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# [22:50] <@bz> But what exactly do you mean by webkit doing it everywhere?
# [22:50] <@bz> <div style="display: inline-block"><img style="width: 100%"></div>
# [22:50] <@bz> Last I checked WebKit did not make the image 0-width
# [22:50] <@bz> ojan: ^
# [22:50] <dholbert> ojan, (yeah, jsfiddle seems to be getting DOS'd or something)
# [22:51] <dholbert> ojan, ( http://isup.me/jsfiddle.net/ agrees that it's having issues)
# [22:51] <froydnj> dolske: oooh, fun
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# [22:52] <seth> i wish there was some way try could detect how excited i am about a push, and prioritize it appropriately
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# [22:52] <@bz> seth: lol
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# [22:53] <jhammel> the more excited you are == the more emotionally tied to it you are => the more likely there will be errors => lower priority? ;)
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# [22:53] <ojan> bz: argh...you're right. i'm getting lost it too many browsers/test cases. i'm going to take a minute to make sense of all this. :(
# [22:54] <seth> jhammel: actually i was hoping it would work the other way, but maybe that's more realistic =)
# [22:54] <jhammel> ;)
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# [22:57] <jimb> Mercurial checkouts should get faster: http://hg.intevation.org/mercurial/crew/rev/5774732bb5e5
# [22:57] <mounir> RyanVM: hey, do you know if we are planning to solve our lack of test bots
# [22:57] <ddahl> anyone seen bent today?
# [22:57] <mounir> ddahl: he is on vacation
# [22:57] <ddahl> mounir: thanks
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# [23:08] <jimb> dbaron: I don't know the causes, so I can't compare. A friend pointed the changeset out to me.
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# [23:12] <ojan> bz, dholbert: ok...i knew there was an issue here...just took me a while to find it...webkit, gecko and opera disagree on this rendering. the opera behavior looks like the most sensible to me. WDYT?
# [23:12] <ojan> http://plexode.com/u/#2N49t2M%3AELwidth*-Kle2J%3E2I%222H%3B6G!!!!29%2Fr8border*2px!solidr7L100%25H!24%3C6*M!b)!styK%3DIU(J%0AG2!%20~http://pKxode.com/eval3/#ht=4tabK(4td(G4div)displayMfKxH!8!blueHI(GG4img)min-L0H!fKx*0!0!autoH!7background-color*greyI!src%3DIhttpM99jsfiddK.net9img9logo.pngI(G49div(Nd(4td)78!redHIJNdJ%0ANabKJ
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# [23:13] <jesup> gavin: ping
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# [23:15] <dholbert> ojan, I'm not so sure
# [23:15] <joe> so
# [23:15] <joe> i have literally been working on firefox for os x for 5 years
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# [23:15] <joe> and somehow I still find time to forget that you have to run firefox from the app bundle directory and not just dist/bin
# [23:16] <joe> WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME
# [23:16] <Mossop> lol
# [23:16] <@gavin> jesup: pong
# [23:16] <dholbert> joe, only if you want to type and have menus and stuff
# [23:16] <joe> i need someone to mentor a patch that will cause my computer to slap me in the face if I run firefox from dist/bin
# [23:16] <jesup> joe: that was so freaky the first time I ran into it
# [23:17] <jesup> I just keep a shell there
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# [23:17] <joe> i just spent like 25 minutes trying to debug a problem that wasn't there because of it :(
# [23:17] <jesup> gavin: there are a couple of getUserMedia blockers still open - how did things go at your work week with Dao?
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# [23:17] <jesup> dao: ^
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# [23:18] <@gavin> jesup: which blockers?
# [23:18] <jesup> ETA to land them and uplift to FF20? They're being tracked by drivers
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# [23:19] <jesup> bug 827145 and bug 835953
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# [23:20] <dholbert> ojan, could be worth filing a bug. I could buy either behavior (0-size or intrinsic-width-sized) behavior being reasonable... I'd have to dig through some specs/ code /additional testcases to have a better feeling about what's right there
# [23:20] <jesup> there are 4 blockers for webrtc on their list; those are two
# [23:20] <@gavin> jesup: ah, I meant to ask about bug 835953
# [23:20] <@gavin> jesup: not sure why I was flagged for review on that back-end patch
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# [23:20] <jesup> The others are on me (a mac driver bug, and a can't-shut-down with gum active bug on mac only)
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# [23:21] <mcsmurf> tanvi: ping
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# [23:21] <jesup> gavin: mostly because I was sending a Notification to the UI to allow it to properly handle the issue
# [23:22] <Mook_as> joe: http://preview.tinyurl.com/aafoenr? :p
# [23:22] <tanvi> mcsmurf - pong
# [23:22] <jesup> dougt because I touched the IPC stuff for Android/etc
# [23:22] <@gavin> jesup: I guess I don't have a particularly strong opinion on that, dao seems fine with it and I see dougt had some feedback
# [23:22] <joe> Mook_as: ha ha
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# [23:22] <@gavin> I've not been tracking this stuff too closely
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# [23:23] <mcsmurf> tanvi: question about the mixed content blocker/doorhanger warning in FF
# [23:23] <tanvi> sure
# [23:23] <tanvi> whats up
# [23:23] <mcsmurf> tanvi: is it supposed to work yet?
# [23:23] <mcsmurf> I wanted to test something
# [23:23] <mcsmurf> I've set security.mixed_content.block_display_content to true and visited https://people.mozilla.com/~tvyas/mixedcontent.html
# [23:23] <jesup> gavin: yes, I need to close the loop with him. I only *have* a windowID (and all other MediaManager->UI notifications are windowIDs), so that seems like the best thing to send (and dao said it was good in IRC IIRC)
# [23:23] <mcsmurf> now I expected the doorhanger warning to open
# [23:23] <jesup> dougt: ping
# [23:23] <tanvi> its off by default… you can turn it on by goign to about:config and setting security.mixed_content.block_active_content to true
# [23:23] <mcsmurf> is this how it should work?
# [23:24] <tanvi> no, the doorhanger is for mixed active content, not mixed dispaly content
# [23:24] <mcsmurf> aah ok
# [23:24] <tanvi> but if you turn mixed display adn mixed active off, then you can turn them both on on a page that has both
# [23:24] <mcsmurf> I see, thanks
# [23:24] <tanvi> ex: https://people.mozilla.com/~tvyas/mixedcontent5.html
# [23:24] <tanvi> no problem
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# [23:25] <tanvi> i'll have docs on this soon… hopefully this weekend or early next week
# [23:25] <jesup> gavin: just didn't want it to slide through the cracks. Bug's been assigned to Dao for a bit. (Dao said it was reasonable in the bug, actually)
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# [23:26] <@gavin> jesup: I imagine dao's probably waiting on that loop to be closed with dougt for the frontend part of that bug. I don't know anything about the status of the other one, you'd have to ask him.
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# [23:26] <jesup> gavin: the other has been in dao's queue since 1/6
# [23:26] <jesup> no issues on that one
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# [23:27] <firebot> dougt was last seen 85 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying 'so, basically end users will never do this, right?' in #mobile.
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# [23:30] <dougt> jesup: hey
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# [23:31] <jesup> dougt: hi. Trying to close the loop on a FF20 tracking bug 835953
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# [23:31] <jesup> dougt: all I have currently (and all I send to the UI in the other interactions) are WindowIDs, so in order to send anything else I'd have to convert it somehow, and Dao says it's easy for him
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# [23:33] <@dolske> joe: I wonder if that's fixable (eg a chdir or some API call), or if it's just a deep OS X limitation
# [23:34] <jhammel> OS X has no limitations....just misguided users that don't yet know the One True Path
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# [23:38] <cpeterson> Welcome to OSX; the only limit is yourself!
# [23:38] <ojan> dholbert: ok. maybe i'll bring it up with the CSSWG. my preference for the opera behavior is that it's what we already do for inline-block, float, absolute positioned. table layout is the only legacy case where we have the 0 size behavior
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# [23:39] <jhammel> cpeterson: don't give their marketing team any ideas ;)
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# [23:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fdf15fa098d9 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 837117 (follow-up) - Downloaded items change position in the downloads view if Clear List is selected
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# [23:50] <jesup> !seen peterv
# [23:50] <firebot> peterv was last seen 4 days, 5 hours, 9 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying 'RyanVM: sounds like a plan' in #developers.
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# [23:51] <jesup> bz: is there an alternate reviewer for the PeerConnection/xpconnect bug? Or is PeterV really around and just quiet
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# [23:52] <@smaug> jesup: what is the bug?
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# [23:52] <@smaug> bholley or I might be able to review
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# [23:53] <jesup> smaug: bug 822674
# [23:54] <@smaug> oh, that is indeed peterv's stuff
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# [23:56] <gregglind> what is the easiest way to diff source between firefox 17 and firefox 16?
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# [23:57] <@smaug> download source codes for them both and run diff ?
# [23:57] <@smaug> not sure that is too useful
# [23:57] <sheppy> I've got an external hard drive that I keep the complete source for every release of Firefox on since version 1.5. :)
# [23:58] <sheppy> Just for this purpose.
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# [23:58] <Mossop> Get the release repo and hg diff -r -FIREFOX_17_0_1_RELEASE r FIREFOX_16_0_2_RELEASE
# [23:58] <jcranmer> sheppy: so, is the diff between tip-of-trunk and 1.5 larger than the source code of trunk?
# [23:58] <gregglind> Mossop, those tags aren't showing up. IS there a seperate pull / clone for hg tags?
# [23:58] <sheppy> jcranmer: I dunno :)
# [23:59] <Mossop> gregglind: Separate repo, hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release
# [23:59] <sheppy> jcranmer: probably though :)
# [23:59] <gregglind> Ah, thanks Mossop! I would have missed that!
# [23:59] <jcranmer> it would be interesting to know at what revision that first holds true
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