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# [00:00] <jesup> smaug: darn
# [00:00] <jesup> Oh well, it's not time-critical yet...
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# [00:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2abfa5c6ccf9 - respindola@mozilla.com - Bug 840622: include path case issue from webrtc.org issue 1091011 r=jesup
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# [00:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e655f4f67857 - Steve Fink - Bug 668583 - Detect rope corruption earlier in opt builds. r=billm
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# [00:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c5e65d7ccefd - Sunny - Bug 689821 - Clean up browser/components/preferences/sync.js. r=rnewman
# [00:15] <tanvi> when you want to create a new interface, do you add it here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/build/XPCOM.h ?
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# [00:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/560ede42c3f6 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 839376 (part 5) - Make ObjectClassIs take a HandleObject. r=sfink.
# [00:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e650f1bab42b - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 839376 (part 7) - Fix seven more easy rooting hazards. r=sfink.
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# [00:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ba8f0f701666 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 839376 (part 6) - Fix five more easy rooting hazards. r=sfink.
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# [00:24] <tanvi> found what i was looking for - https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/xpcprivate.h
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# [00:26] <@gavin> why were you looking for xpcprivate.h! o_O
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# [00:26] <@gavin> no one wants that
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# [00:27] <tanvi> i want to create nsIMixedContentError.idl; similar to nsIScriptError.idl
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# [00:27] <tanvi> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837351
# [00:27] <@gavin> I'm really just kidding :)
# [00:28] <philor> hmm, does browser_social_chatwindow.js depend on the window size?
# [00:28] <@gavin> yes
# [00:28] <philor> well, that'll bust ya!
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# [00:28] <@gavin> see also bug 839163
# [00:28] <tanvi> but that doesn't seem to work either. maybe i need to do a clobber to get my build to recognize the new idl?
# [00:28] <tanvi> gavin ^^ do you know?
# [00:28] <@gavin> tanvi: shouldn't need to
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# [00:29] <jviereck> roc: I don't get you on the comment here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743252#c11Ā ā€” do you think the dropdowns for the header/footer should be enabled but set to "blank" as default option if the |mozNoMarginBoxes| flag is available?
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# [00:29] <@gavin> tanvi: just adding it to XPIDLSRCS should be sufficient
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# [00:29] <jviereck> but then this would be more like a |mozNoDefaultMarginBoxes|?
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# [00:29] <@gavin> philor: it tries to fail gracefully should it not get a window it likes, though
# [00:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/edea345c7c6b - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 824483: about:home is cut off in landscape mode. [r=wesj]
# [00:30] <philor> gavin: it's timing out, breaking inbound
# [00:30] <philor> because the default size on Mac got changed without consulting it
# [00:31] <@gavin> oh :(
# [00:31] <@gavin> well I guess we should back out 0528e2561bde
# [00:31] <philor> and from the look of the screenshot, maybe timing out by hitting the back button when it thinks it's clicking something else, since the URL displayed is from about 20 tests back
# [00:31] <@gavin> and let brandon discover the joys of orange debugging
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# [00:31] <philor> or the joy of disabling flaky tests
# [00:31] <tanvi> gavin: thanks!
# [00:31] <@gavin> hrm, maybe
# [00:32] <philor> fortunately, I'm at work, so I don't have a tree with which to enforce my opinions
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# [00:32] <@gavin> wait, only on mac?
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# [00:32] <capella> @FlakyTest
# [00:33] <@gavin> hrm, might be related to the screen sizes or something
# [00:33] <@gavin> afaict the patch changing window sizes wasn't mac-only
# [00:33] <@gavin> but the test machine screens could be platform variable I imagine
# [00:34] <philor> yeah, might be only Mac has resolutions that we think are wide
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# [00:34] <philor> only place I've seen those tall narrow default windows, anyway
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# [00:36] <philor> and of course it might be another 10 or 12 hours before we run bc on Linux
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# [00:36] <@gavin> I'm going to back him out
# [00:36] <@gavin> and then hopefully markh or someone can help him fix/disable the test
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# [00:38] <markh> grrr - I never should have written those chat tests.
# [00:38] <@gavin> :)
# [00:38] <jviereck> roc: I think I've got it now. sorry for the pinging!
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# [00:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f3b3b3f1797 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 840469 - Make animateMotion-mpath-pathLength-1.svg render in a failure state when its script and/or animations don't run. r=dholbert.
# [00:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a20345bfe817 - Gavin Sharp - back out 0528e2561bde (bug 719318) for tickling browser_social_chatwindow.js's bustedness
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# [00:41] <philor> markh: there seem to be a few other things getting unhappy, you might be just most-cursed, not only-cursed
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# [00:48] <markh> why does the change causing the chat test failures not have windows builds showing?
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# [00:49] <markh> anyway, I guess I'll just apply it locally and see what happens :)
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# [00:49] <philor> because we have the infra to deal with about a quarter as many pushes as we have on weekdays now
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# [00:54] <jviereck> how do I create an empty https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=PRUnichar to pass into https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/xpwidgets/nsPrintSettingsImpl.cpp#714 ?
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# [00:54] <jviereck> PRUnichar that is
# [00:55] <Mossop> NS_LITERAL_STRING("") would work, I think there is a cheaper way though
# [00:55] <jviereck> thanks!
# [00:55] <@smaug> jviereck: back hacking printing?
# [00:55] <philor> days like this, CLOSED TREE, I start thinking that the people suggesting mozilla-inbound2 aren't quite entirely crazy
# [00:55] <jviereck> smaug: yeah...
# [00:56] <jviereck> and that on my holidays!
# [00:56] <jviereck> :P
# [00:56] <jviereck> smaug: how can you guess that from an empty string!?
# [00:57] <@gavin> EmptyString() ?
# [00:57] <@smaug> jviereck: more from nsPrintSettingsImpl.cpp ;)
# [00:57] <philor> njn: can you successfully blame that b2g bustage on bholley?
# [00:57] <@smaug> yes, EmptyString()
# [00:57] <@smaug> don't use NS_LITERAL_STRING("");
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# [00:58] <@smaug> though, you want PRUnichar
# [00:58] <Mossop> EmptyString().get() presumably
# [00:58] <@smaug> EmptyString().get()
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# [00:58] <jviereck> smaug: yes sir! these links just fool you of
# [00:58] <@smaug> might work
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# [01:00] <jwir3> what did PRPackedBool get converted to during the de-prification of moz-central?
# [01:00] <jwir3> or did it get converted?
# [01:00] <NeilAway> dholbert: flexbox has quirks? what about standards? ;-)
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# [01:03] <@gavin> jwir3: just normal bools, or bit fields
# [01:03] <jwir3> gavin: thx
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# [01:07] <njn> philor: that doesn't seem like it should be my fault...
# [01:07] <jwir3> haha "successfully blame"
# [01:07] <njn> though anything's possible
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# [01:08] <canuckistani> njn: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833783#c21
# [01:08] <jwir3> njn: false. clearly, flying magical unicorns that shoot fire out of their eyelids and excrete diamonds is not possible
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# [01:08] <jwir3> ;)
# [01:08] <njn> philor: the error message involves |cx| and bholley's patches appear to do lots of cx stuff
# [01:09] <njn> canuckistani: cool. Now we just need auto-repacking :)
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# [01:10] <NeilAway> jimb: whoa, m-c is their test case?
# [01:10] <philor> well, between the way I don't have a tree to back anything out and the way it's totally in my interests to leave the tree closed as long as possible, I guess we should wait for my triggered build on bholley's push to say for sure
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# [01:11] <njn> philor: my money's on bholley's cec9e89a2a96
# [01:12] <njn> specifically: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cec9e89a2a96#l13.19
# [01:12] <canuckistani> njn: one more kick at that can in progress in the phase before / around Firefox 21
# [01:12] <njn> canuckistani: great
# [01:12] <canuckistani> njn: re-packing is not a magic bullet though
# [01:12] <njn> no?
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# [01:12] <canuckistani> but I think we can make great progress using that and forcing incompatibility of older add-ons on AMO
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# [01:13] <canuckistani> njn: no - we can't re-pack some add-ons, and we have no control over non-AMO hosted add-ons short of blocklisting them
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# [01:14] <@smaug> whimboo|afk: do you think you could update memchaser to use the new sdk ?
# [01:14] <canuckistani> njn: for an extreme case ( very popular add-on using older version of SDK ) I would consider blocklist if the dev doesn't cooperate
# [01:14] <njn> canuckistani: the usual problems, then :/
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# [01:15] <canuckistani> njn: it's going to be a public relations effort on my part as much as anything else. Doing some analysis of the problem with current data this week.
# [01:15] <njn> canuckistani: good to hear
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# [01:16] <njn> canuckistani: though in my experience, technical solutions that don't involve liaising with every add-on author are more effective!
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# [01:16] <dholbert> NeilAway, ojan was asking about old quirks and how they apply to stuff within a flexbox
# [01:16] <canuckistani> njn: sure, but there are $n number of add-ons that we can't re-pack due to use of lower-level apis.
# [01:17] <canuckistani> I'll know what $n is in a couple of days.
# [01:17] <NeilAway> dholbert: I wonder what the xul box model does with an equivalent test case, not that it's a good example ;-)
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# [01:20] <jjensen> hi there -- can I trap Javascript and CSS log messages from the web console via NSPR_LOG_MODULES? I have tried running firefox with NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5 but see no output from the web console. is this possible? objective is to run Firefox against thousands of websites, logging the CSS and JS console output for each one, then analyze
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# [01:24] <njn> philor: you have your culprit
# [01:25] <rillian> jjensen: do you mean the web console, or the error console?
# [01:25] <jjensen> web console
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# [01:28] <rillian> jjensen: looks like on android it should be availble from logcat as 'GeckoConsole'
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# [01:30] <rillian> it calls OutpuDebugStringW on windows
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# [01:32] <Mook_as> jjensen: which tab/window would it go to?
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# [01:34] <davida> I have a firefox nightly with a 1.5Gb memory load. Is there something useful I should do (beyond filing a bug w/ the about:memory data) before I restart?
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# [01:35] <jjensen> Mook_as: i would like it to go to standard output or to a file
# [01:35] <mccr8> davida: you can try clicking on minimize memory usage after you get the about:memory log to see if the memory goes to a reasonable amount
# [01:35] <davida> mccr8: didn't do anything
# [01:35] <Jesse> davida: depends on what about:memory is pointing at?
# [01:35] <mccr8> ok :)
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# [01:36] <davida> Jesse: I don't know how to intelligently parse that data: https://bug840779.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=713165
# [01:36] <tanvi> Why does nsIWebProgressListener have overlapping flags?
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# [01:36] <Mook_as> jjensen: umm, NSPR logging does go to a file, if you set NSPR_LOG_FILE?
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# [01:36] <tanvi> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/uriloader/base/nsIWebProgressListener.idl#59 and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/uriloader/base/nsIWebProgressListener.idl#168
# [01:36] <Mook_as> oh, wait, you want it to go the other way
# [01:37] <jjensen> Mook_as: yes...my issue is that no error console output goes into it
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# [01:37] <Mook_as> sorry, I misread the question :(
# [01:37] <tanvi> and now http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/uriloader/base/nsIWebProgressListener.idl#184
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# [01:37] <Jesse> njn: what is "top(none)/detached" in davida's about:memory?
# [01:37] <Mook_as> jjensen: and https://github.com/mook/logophile crashes (JS can't run off main thread) :(
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# [01:38] <jjensen> Mook_as: aha! thanks, this is a start at least, will look at it
# [01:38] <njn> Jesse: it's when a window object no longer belongs to a tab or UI window
# [01:38] <njn> Jesse: it can be a leak, though not always?
# [01:38] <njn> Jesse: in this case, it looks like bad news
# [01:38] <Jesse> njn: and what about the "none" part?
# [01:39] <Jesse> davida: i'd also attach the 'more verbose' version
# [01:39] <njn> Jesse: it collates all window objects that lack a top window
# [01:39] <davida> Jesse: ok, let me get that.
# [01:39] * Mook_as might be thinking of the wrong console :(
# [01:39] <Jesse> njn: hmm, does it tell you the number of window objects that were collated?
# [01:40] <njn> Jesse: more or less -- the [36] numbers indicate repeated reports
# [01:40] <njn> Jesse: so there are ~38 "[system]" windows being aggregated
# [01:40] <davida> Jesse: https://bug840779.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=713183
# [01:40] <davida> (verbose indeed)
# [01:41] <davida> and good thing i don't mind leaking any of that data =)
# [01:41] <njn> davida: without steps to reproduce that bug won't go far
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# [01:42] <davida> njn: for me, STRs seem to be "have google docs, google drive, g+, twitter, all in pinned tabs. then use the browser for a while =)
# [01:42] <davida> njn: I figured as much, but figured I'd ask before killing the process.
# [01:42] <njn> davida: apart from the "none" windows, it doesn't look that unusual. You've got a lot of tabs open, some of them are complex (gmail, google docs, etc)
# [01:42] <Jesse> so many talkgadget windows
# [01:43] <Jesse> window(javascript:"") O_o
# [01:43] <davida> but 1.5G feels high, no?
# [01:43] <Jesse> 1,048,576 B (00.07%) ā”€ā”€ string(length=265277, "<$label:aHxAOt4v><$label:f4Mz2c...")
# [01:43] <njn> davida: that depends entirely on workload
# [01:44] <Jesse> including string data in about:memory raises privacy concerns in my mind
# [01:44] <@roc> more than URLs?
# [01:44] <Jesse> yes
# [01:45] <davida> statistically, yes =)
# [01:45] <davida> boolean wise, not so much.
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# [01:47] <reuben> you can read the first few words of what seems like emails in gmail, that worries me much more than URLs
# [01:47] <Jesse> davida: you have several docs.meteor.com tabs open, right?
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# [01:47] <davida> Jesse: i do
# [01:47] <Jesse> k, just making sure about:memory isn't lying when it says /active
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# [01:47] <davida> Jesse: closing all tabs but the pinned tabs, and "minimizing memory usage" gets me down to 1.3G
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# [01:48] <rillian> Mook_as: jjensen is looking for the 'Web Console' or 'Error Console' output from the Tools:Web Developer menu
# [01:48] <davida> reloading all the pinned tabs and minimizing memory usage gets me down to 940Mb.
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# [01:50] <davida> restarting gets me up to 545Mb with the pinned tabs. signing off. cheers.
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# [01:58] <NeilAway> tanvi: they belong to different notifications, one's an onStateChange, the other's an onSecurityChange
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# [01:59] <NeilAway> tanvi: by the way, do those flags work now?
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# [02:00] <tanvi> do the security state flags work now? the new mixed content ones work, but the pref is turned off by default
# [02:00] <tanvi> so no blocking is happening yet; but i'm close to turning it on
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# [02:23] <heycam> when reviewing ith splinter, how do you control how much context will be included in the plain text version in the comment?
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# [02:28] <@dolske> I don't think you can, at least I've never seen anything to control it.
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# [02:40] <RyanVM> what did you guys do to my beautiful tree?!?!?!
# [02:40] * RyanVM mutters something about not being able to have nice things
# [02:41] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: we thought we'd decorate it :-)
# [02:42] <RyanVM> :)
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# [02:44] <heycam> dolske, ok; sometimes I get one line, sometimes 4. I thought I must have been doing something accidentally to control that.
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# [02:47] <gps> what's up with inbound? is it in need of a backout?
# [02:48] <jgilbert> or three, last I checked
# [02:48] <philor> RyanVM: probably, possibly, I'd guess, the Windows 1/4/5 is already taken care of, and it's only bholley's b2g and Mac 1
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# [02:48] <@dolske> heycam: hmm, I hadn't noticed that.
# [02:48] <RyanVM> philor: ok, thanks
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# [02:49] <philor> though I see that my Win build on Brandon's push has netted me pretty much nothing
# [02:50] <philor> down to 495 pending, from 1400 or so, though, so that part of being closed is a win
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# [02:50] <RyanVM> philor: conveniently, the OSX M1 looks to be from bholley's push
# [02:50] <philor> yep
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# [02:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a69f329fc7ee - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 12 changesets (bug 834732) for b2g bustage and OSX mochitest-1 crashes on a CLOSED TREE.
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# [02:53] <gps> RyanVM++
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# [02:55] <Callek> philor: RyanVM: so, having heard no complains, i'm guessing that panda/tegra are looking "good" (quotes for a reason) - at least insofar as the new code I deployed seems to be just fine over the last 24 hours
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# [02:55] <RyanVM> Callek: I would say so
# [02:55] <philor> nice, we ran a total of 1 Win7 bc while the window size change was in
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# [02:56] <philor> Callek: far as I know
# [02:56] <RyanVM> philor: any luck getting talos-r3-fed-036 out of the pool?
# [02:56] <Callek> cool
# [02:56] <Callek> :-)
# [02:56] <RyanVM> otherwise, Callek? ^
# [02:57] * Callek looks for the buildduty sticker, did I forget to remove it :-P
# [02:57] <Callek> anyway, taking it out now
# [02:58] <Waldo> huh, we get Washington's Birthday off
# [02:58] <Callek> Waldo: who's washington?
# [02:58] <Callek> never met the man
# [02:58] <Callek> but if it means cake, I'll go celebrate
# [02:58] <Callek> RyanVM: any idea if its rebooting itself?
# [02:58] <Callek> or do I need to force-kill
# [02:58] <Callek> (if unsure, no worry)
# [02:59] <RyanVM> Callek: no clue, the issue is read-only fs
# [02:59] <RyanVM> Waldo: yeah, news to me too
# [02:59] <Callek> sure, just the reboot step would fail if it wasnt rebooting, either way, I'm going in and making sure its dead
# [02:59] * Waldo might maybe vaguely remember getting the day off last year, but only very vaguely
# [02:59] <philor> RyanVM: well, I found an amusing new way to be annoying in a problem tracking bug without pasting every log into it, does that count?
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# [03:00] <RyanVM> :)
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# [03:01] <RyanVM> so a20345bfe817 fixed the windows failures too?
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# [03:05] <philor> yeah, just commented in the bug
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# [03:05] <philor> poor guy, all he wanted to do was change the default window size
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# [03:06] <philor> little did he know we had five different broken tests that did foolish things about window size
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# [03:08] <@bz> We have nsDeviceStorage.h and DeviceStorage.h?
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# [03:19] <jcranmer> I am not surprised
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# [03:29] <RyanVM> bbbbbonus merge
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# [03:33] <Callek> philor: new way to be annoying!????!? do tell!
# [03:34] <philor> Callek: revving the ?numbuilds= in the bug's url field, to produce an email without pasting a log or 25 or 50
# [03:34] <philor> sweet, we're now at 35 pushes on inbound since the last time we ran b2g R7
# [03:34] <Callek> ahh hahaha
# [03:34] <jcranmer> what's the max length on a data URL?
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# [03:35] <Callek> MAX_PATH I think
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# [03:36] <Callek> jcranmer: aka: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/695151/data-protocol-url-size-limitations
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# [03:37] <jcranmer> 600K supposedly
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# [03:41] <RyanVM> philor: pssht, worry worry worry
# [03:43] <RyanVM> https://wiki.mozilla.org/My_Sex_Games-_The_Best_Erotic_Games_At_The_Web_For_Free
# [03:43] <RyanVM> niiiice
# [03:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/168ec5716059 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 828540 - Part 1: Health Report provider for recording search counts; r=rnewman
# [03:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e663ebce39a6 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 828540 - Part 2: APIs to retrieve a registered provider; r=rnewman
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# [03:47] <Callek> RyanVM: thanks for heads up. doing user ban + delete now
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# [03:48] <RyanVM> Callek: lol, go through the recent changes
# [03:48] <RyanVM> wikimo is overrun with spam
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# [03:50] <Callek> RyanVM: indeed :/
# [03:51] <Callek> I don't have time to do mod more often, want me to request you get wiki admin?
# [03:51] <RyanVM> i've complained about it a few times (even a bug on file), but can't find an owner
# [03:51] <RyanVM> unless wikimo has better anti-spam built into the registration process, it's pissing in the wind
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# [03:53] <Callek> RyanVM: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Spam_blacklist
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# [03:54] <RyanVM> Callek: I'm saying it's too easy for spammer to register to begin with
# [03:54] <RyanVM> look at the new user log for any given day
# [03:54] <RyanVM> I'd wager that 90+% are spam accounts
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# [04:30] <RyanVM> no clobber he said
# [04:30] <RyanVM> it'll merge to inbound just fine, he said
# [04:31] <philor> yeah, just what I was about to say
# [04:32] <philor> though the way we're having to clobber and clobber and clobber, I think the build system's broken, so he might have been right but just talking about an unbroken build system
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# [06:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b39cc80812c9 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 838807: Replace reader mode icons. [r=bnicholson]
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# [06:13] <philor> people still waiting for your Fedora reftest-ipc on try: too bad, no such thing exists anymore, I'm killing your pending jobs
# [06:14] <Callek> philor: do people ever care about Fedora on try if not done within 24 hours anyway?
# [06:14] <Callek> "don't see test results on try, inbound will tell me"
# [06:14] <philor> Callek: "okay, I'm just waiting for the autoland bot to tell me that my try results are done..."
# [06:15] <philor> though it does have some inadequate timeout like 24 hours, even though we regularly run way past that
# [06:15] <philor> but yes, there are times when Fedora-on-try is exactly what someone has to have, and they do wait, 24 or 36 hours
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# [06:27] <tbsaunde> anyone recognize http://paste.debian.net/233759/ ?
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# [06:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f7de926acf42 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 833719 part.1 Register some DOM keyCode values for Windows giving virtual keycode names and all OEM speicific virtual keyCode of Windows except we already used
# [06:45] <firebot> values r+sr=smaug
# [06:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/122afc7bf2e5 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 833719 part.2 New DOM keyCodes should be mapped on Windows r=jimm+smaug
# [06:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0253d6c5a552 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 833719 part.3 New DOM keyCodes except OEM specific keys should be mapped on Linux r=karlt+smaug
# [06:46] <tbsaunde> glandium: any idea what's going wrong in http://paste.debian.net/233759/ ?
# [06:49] <philor> oh, great, the window resizing patch made Win7 mochitest-other run forever
# [06:49] <karl> tbsaunde: istr getting errors similar to that when there was a visibility mismatch between the symbol required and the one provided
# [06:49] <karl> tbsaunde: is there a new header that needs to be added to system-headers, perhaps?
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# [06:52] <tbsaunde> karl: perhaps?
# [06:53] <tbsaunde> karl: any idea how to figure out? I just got that on a fresh tree after pulling
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# [06:54] <karl> tbsaunde: have you tried rm -r obj/* ?
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# [06:55] <tbsaunde> karl: I believe so, but I'll try again
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# [07:14] <bnicholson> does anyone know if the true argument (which results in a location change event being fired) is necessary in CreateAboutBlankContentViewer?: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp#7032
# [07:14] <bnicholson> perhaps surprisingly, things seem fine on try: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=5e17376e7015
# [07:14] <bnicholson> though this change is probably way overkill for what i'm trying to do, which is fix bug 838330
# [07:15] <bnicholson> (ideas for a more isoluted solution welcome)
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# [07:20] <tbsaunde> karl: still happens after a clobber :/
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# [07:28] <karl> tbsaunde: perhaps use readelf on object files to try to find what is using the symbol
# [07:29] <karl> (and confirm the theory)
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# [07:34] <Jesse> Thread 0 (crashed)
# [07:34] <Jesse> 0 libunwind.dylib + 0xe05
# [07:34] <Jesse> :(
# [07:36] <Jesse> i'll download a new build and see if i get a better stack trace
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# [07:40] <Jesse> ted: halp
# [07:41] <Jesse> this is with the crash in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840877
# [07:41] <Jesse> the build from https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-macosx64-debug/1360722406/
# [07:41] <heycam> is there a keyboard shortcut to go back to the previously selected tab?
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# [07:42] <Callek> heycam: ctrl+F4 on windows (note, I'm 90% trolling 10% serious)
# [07:42] <Jesse> heycam: if you turn on browser.ctrlTab.previews then browser.ctrlTab.recentlyUsedLimit applies
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# [07:43] <heycam> Callek, yeah I want that without closing the current tab :)
# [07:43] <heycam> Jesse, oh so that makes Ctrl+Tab switch to the previous selected tab instead of the one to the right?
# [07:43] <Jesse> yeah
# [07:43] <Callek> heycam: I do use ctrl+tab // ctrl+shift+tab a lot
# [07:43] <heycam> ok. I make heavy use of ctrl+tab too, so ideally I'd like a separate shortcut.
# [07:44] <Callek> heycam: shift+ goes left instead of right
# [07:44] <Jesse> you can still use the other shortcuts (cmd+opt+arrow, cmd+shift+{}, ctrl+pgdn/up) to switch based on adjacency
# [07:44] <heycam> Callek, I realise, but I'd like to go back to the tab I had previously selected which could be many ctrl+shift+tabs or ctrl+tabs away
# [07:44] <Jesse> and cmd+1 ... cmd+9 to switch among your first 9 tab
# [07:44] <heycam> oh I did not know about cmd+opt+arrow
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# [07:45] <heycam> I guess I could retrain myself :)
# [07:45] <heycam> I use cmd+1 and cmd+9 often
# [07:46] <heycam> Jesse, oh, the patch for the SVG text bug got merged to m-c. would you mind turning on fuzzing again for my pref?
# [07:46] <Callek> woa, my win7 laptop has a WEIRD keycombo -- ctrl+alt+arrow, switches the entire display orientation
# [07:46] <glob> Callek, that's pretty common
# [07:47] <Callek> glob: makes it easy to troll friends though, I can make their laptop display upside-down
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# [07:48] <Jesse> then tell them you rotated it physically and they just need to do the same
# [07:49] <Jesse> that's even more awesome than ctrl+opt+cmd+8 on mac (invert colors) (enable/disable in system prefs > keyboard > accessibility)
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# [08:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a73456511f41 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 840601 - Clear saved reader mode page in tab destroy. r=kats
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# [08:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/84f27f437dda - Brian Nicholson - Bug 840823 - Check whether new tabs were made from stubs to prevent removal race condition. r=mfinkle
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# [08:49] <glandium> tbsaunde: looks like your toolchain doesn't like -static-libstdc++
# [08:49] <glandium> tbsaunde: why are you building with -static-libstdc++?
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# [09:22] <glandium> http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2013/02/13/ this is blowing my mind
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# [09:27] <Callek> glandium: "TVs" I wonder if they are really counting opera users or device users with opera installed ;-)
# [09:28] <Callek> glandium: and if opera users, do built-in features of said devices use opera, any browser installed, etc. Do the Devices *allow* other OS installs....
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# [09:29] <Callek> glandium: or is your mind blown about the Webkit switch?
# [09:29] <glandium> Callek: the webkit switch
# [09:30] <Callek> ahhh, so that means -- Mozilla ([[Firefox + SeaMonkey, ha!]]) vs Microsoft vs [[Google,Apple,Opera]]
# [09:31] <Callek> yea that last "trifecta" will be tough to beat, assuming political stuff doesn't factor into major community splits/forks
# [09:31] <heycam> didn't jon von tetzchner just sell a bunch of Opera shares yesterday?
# [09:31] <glandium> and that embedding is going to be even more webkit-centric
# [09:31] <glandium> heycam: he did
# [09:31] <heycam> insider trading? :)
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# [09:33] <Callek> glandium: well you don't need to decide to support the -webkit- stuff if you switch to webkit, now do you?
# [09:33] <Callek> thats one way to solve the problem :/
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# [09:34] <glandium> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2013-February/023820.html
# [09:34] <Callek> glandium: though I have to say, as a SeaMonkey contrib, we (mozilla) haven't exactly made it easy for others to utilize Gecko for their own home-grown projects so far
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# [09:35] <Callek> not saying thats a bad thing, just an observation
# [09:35] <glandium> Callek: it was kind of possible before, but painful, but rapid release put additional nails on the coffin of embedding gecko
# [09:35] <Jesse> The first contributions from our side will be in multi-column layout
# [09:35] <Jesse> [2]. We have experimented with combining multicol layout with
# [09:35] <Jesse> page floats and column spans [3]; in 10 lines of CSS code one can
# [09:35] <Jesse> create amazingly beautiful, scaleable and responsive paged
# [09:35] <Jesse> presentations [4].
# [09:35] <Jesse> bwahaha good luck with that
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# [09:36] <Callek> (I'd LIKE us to be better, but we're not great at it)
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# [09:36] <Callek> glandium: its possible to do better, and still do rapid release, we just haven't put forth the effort to do better, given other priors... and I don't exactly mark embedded as === to third party being able to use
# [09:37] <glandium> Jesse: looks like it works http://people.opera.com/howcome/2013/02-reader/
# [09:37] <Callek> someone being able to write JS+XUL (or HTML) frontend on top of Gecko components/features would be enough, but even those components change so much with so little documented in time/advance that doing anything else is difficult
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# [09:39] <glandium> Callek: there are people who manage to write a xul browser that works with different versions of firefox (conkeror)
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# [09:39] <glandium> (but their ui is minimalist)
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# [09:39] <Callek> glandium: its possible, but to add stuff that utilizes toolkit/core features is really hard
# [09:40] <Callek> many gecko features also need frontend UX support
# [09:40] <Callek> (e.g. many of the doorhanger stuff, plugin click to play, etc.) all of which is in browser/ not toolkit/ and needs reimplimentations around changing API
# [09:40] <Callek> I know a lot of the hard parts having lead SeaMonkey... :-)
# [09:41] <glandium> Callek: we've never been really good at making stuff that don't span between browser/ and toolkit/
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# [09:41] <glandium> the metro stuff is actually a step in the good direction
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# [09:41] <Callek> glandium: its not that I mind browser/ stuff, but I'd love if every *Gecko* Feature, had at least a useable toolkit UI, even if Firefox did branded/tighter UI
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# [09:41] <glandium> that will add incentive to have things more contained in toolkit
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# [09:45] <glandium> Callek: the problem is that toolkit is not really about ui, and things using toolkit may not want to pay the price for the browser ui stuff. so the ideal setup might be a three-layer thing, instead of a two-layer thing, where seamonkey would reuse two layers of and thunderbird would reuse one.
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# [09:46] <Callek> glandium: I know its not the easiest thing, but yea, I'd just like when Gecko + any toolkit features/api's worked without explicit app-side UI work
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# [09:46] <Callek> where there could be reasons/desires to implement said UI tighter with the APP's theory
# [09:46] <Callek> but without said things if Gecko adds a new feature, even if SeaMonkey doesn't write UI to support, say webcam perms, that the shared UI would
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# [09:48] <Yoric> Ouch. Just seen that Opera news.
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# [09:51] <@roc> ?
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# [09:52] <glandium> roc: Opera is killing presto
# [09:52] <doublec> roc: the move to webkit news
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# [09:53] <@roc> oh, that's all public now
# [09:53] <doublec> roc: yep http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/300-million-users-and-move-to-webkit
# [09:53] <tbsaunde> glandium: because I thought it was the default for some reason but actually just crud lyin around in my enviroment
# [09:53] <doublec> so close to being able to time that for april 1. what a missed opportunity.
# [09:54] <KWierso|Home> gotta get in before mwc, apparently
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# [09:56] <doublec> ah true
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# [09:59] <@roc> yeah
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# [09:59] <Jesse> roc: you heard about it early?
# [10:00] <doublec> maybe one of those mysterious hashed blog posts from years ago ;)
# [10:00] <@roc> I heard gossip
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# [10:06] <Jesse> huh, #rust has more lively discussion about the opera move than #developers
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# [10:08] <Callek> Jesse: we're more trained to drop stuff we can't do anything about
# [10:08] <Callek> also I brought up SeaMonkey, people saw the name and decided they didn't care
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# [10:14] <edmorley> (in case others were wondered what the above were referring to: http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2013/02/13/webkit)
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# [10:42] <edmorley> jandem: hi
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# [10:43] <jandem> edmorley: hey. I'm working on getting the Ionmonkey tree green, but I don't know what's happening with M-Oth
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# [10:44] <jandem> edmorley: it times out, but i have no idea how to reproduce it locally...
# [10:44] <edmorley> looking
# [10:45] <edmorley> jandem: the timeouts seemed to start with https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Ionmonkey&rev=73861b907300
# [10:45] <jwatt> anyone know if the prefs in build/automation.py.in affect reftests as well as mochitests?
# [10:46] <jandem> edmorley: hm I was looking at the OS X log, but the Linux logs also show a stack trace, so it's probably crashing too
# [10:46] <edmorley> jandem: the linux stack is a hang, where we've injected to deliberately crash
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# [10:48] <edmorley> jandem: other than that, I don't have any other ideas, sorry
# [10:48] <jandem> edmorley: but it's not possible to say which test it's running? is it running tests?
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# [10:49] <jandem> edmorley: ok, no problem, thanks :)
# [10:49] <edmorley> jandem: it's hanging on startup, it hasn't gotten as far as running tests
# [10:49] <Yoric> gps: Given that bug 832664 is kind of a blocker for both of us, could you take a look at my first prototype?
# [10:49] <edmorley> jandem: the screenshot shows the browser open fwiw
# [10:50] <glandium> Yoric: gps is probably sleeping, now
# [10:50] <Yoric> glandium: I assumed so.
# [10:50] <jandem> edmorley: ah, thanks
# [10:51] <edmorley> jandem: (the SCREENSHOT: data: line)
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# [10:53] <edmorley> well, "normal"
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# [11:54] <jez> Hey guys, if I connect to a proxy, and the browser gets a 407 back, is it supposed to give a popup requesting username and password?
# [11:54] <jez> because I'm getting a 407, and the browser just displays the "access denied" screen
# [11:55] <jez> the proxy being connect to is on localhost; is that a special case?
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# [11:56] <jez> hi dao
# [11:56] <jez> did you get my question about proxies?
# [11:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fba52fc5161a - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 813906 - Mochitest for unified base URI usage. r=bsmedberg
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# [12:19] <edmorley> gfritzsche: bustage from warnings as errors (unused variable)
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# [12:27] <gfritzsche> edmorley: oh, looking. clang i guess which i didn't run
# [12:27] <edmorley> gfritzsche: and warnings-as-errors is off locally by default
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# [12:27] <gfritzsche> right
# [12:27] <gfritzsche> edmorley: backout or push fix to tree?
# [12:27] <edmorley> fix wfm
# [12:28] <edmorley> thank you for asking :-)
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# [12:32] <gfritzsche> edmorley: sure, pushed fix :)
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# [12:54] <edmorley> gfritzsche: nptest.cpp:588:25: error: 'nullptr' was not declared in this scope
# [12:55] <gfritzsche> edmorley: backout i guess?
# [12:56] <edmorley> gfritzsche: yeah perhaps for now, seeing as there may be another one after that :-)
# [12:57] <gfritzsche> edmorley: right. should i or do you have convenient tools for that?
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# [12:57] <edmorley> gfritzsche: I'm happy to
# [12:58] <gfritzsche> edmorley: ok, thanks.
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# [13:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ac9f93605ad - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset fba52fc5161a (bug 813906)
# [13:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b005d61919ff - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 230f42e5e26d (bug 813906)
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# [13:23] <Honza> building Fx on Win and having this error: configure: error: Microsoft (R) Manifest Tool must be in your $PATH.
# [13:23] <Honza> any tips?
# [13:24] <Honza> (it is in the PATH, but it is not when I run "start-msvc9.bat")
# [13:24] <jimm> figure out why mt.exe isn't in your path?
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# [13:25] <jimm> sounds like the startup script doesn't like your set up
# [13:25] <jimm> I edit my include/bin/lib paths manually to get them right
# [13:26] <Honza> What do you mean by inlclude/bin/lib ?
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# [13:28] <jimm> the shell env variables INCLUDE, LIB/LIBPATH, and PATH
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# [13:29] <jimm> they really aren't that hard to get right. generally you want the sdk paths first followed by the vs studio paths
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# [13:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc70cddbac4a - Jacek Caban - Bug 840577 - Fixed ANGLE cross compilation on case sensitive OSes r=bjacob
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# [13:36] <@bz_sleep> Anyone know how I can run test_sanityException2.xul "in harness" without running the entirety of mochitest-chrome?
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# [13:45] <NeilAway> jez: the only reason I know that it will do that is if the proxy uses an unsupported form of authentication
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# [13:47] <mak> edmorley: why are Nightlies being generated on a so old changeset?
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# [13:48] <edmorley> mak: my money is on the burning win64 (hidden) builds
# [13:48] <edmorley> I'll file a bug
# [13:49] <mak> ah ok
# [13:49] <mak> thanks
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# [13:51] <@bz_sleep> edmorley: got a sec?
# [13:51] <edmorley> bz_sleep: yup :-)
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# [13:51] <@bz> edmorley: so I have a try run that fails chrome://mochitests/content/chrome/test_sanityException2.xul
# [13:51] <@bz> edmorley: but when I locally do:
# [13:51] <@bz> python ../obj-firefox/_tests/testing/mochitest/runtests.py --test-path=test_sanityException2.xul --chrome
# [13:52] <@bz> And then click the button
# [13:52] <@bz> it passes
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# [13:52] <@bz> Any idea how I can reproduce the try run failure locally?
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# [13:52] <edmorley> bz: have you tried running the entire suite locally?
# [13:53] <edmorley> using the make targets (or mach I guess)
# [13:53] <mounir> bz: do you remember anything about https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/84cb7aa96a52/content/html/content/src/nsHTMLTextAreaElement.cpp#l1256
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# [13:53] <@bz> edmorley: I have, but it .. takes forever
# [13:54] <@bz> edmorley: especially because every single test-plugin test has to time out individually
# [13:54] <jimm> edmorley: cc me on that will yah
# [13:54] <@bz> edmorley: which makes things take a very long time....
# [13:54] <edmorley> bz: :-(
# [13:55] <@bz> edmorley: like "it was still running this morning when I got up" long
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# [13:56] <@bz> mounir: yes, of course
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# [13:56] <@bz> mounir: what about it?
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# [13:56] <mounir> bz: in which case do we expect to actually go trough the if block
# [13:56] <mounir> I mean, call Reset()
# [13:57] <@bz> mounir: if the web page modifies the DOM inside a <textarea>
# [13:57] <jimm> edmorley: I have a fix for that win64 bustage
# [13:57] <@bz> mounir: e.g. sets .data on one of its child textnodes
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# [13:57] <edmorley> filed bug 840948 for nightlies not on m-c tip
# [13:57] <@bz> mounir: and the user hasn't edited the textarea
# [13:57] <edmorley> jimm: thank you :-)
# [13:58] <mounir> bz: it's not clear to me why <textarea>foo</textarea> has a textnode that has the textarea as a binding parent
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# [13:59] <mounir> and if I do .textContent = 'bar', the binding parent of that text node is null
# [13:59] <@bz> mounir: eh?
# [13:59] <@bz> mounir: it doesn't
# [13:59] <@bz> mounir: it has a textnode with a null bindingparent
# [14:00] <mounir> only on the later case
# [14:00] <@bz> later case?
# [14:00] <@bz> All this is checking is IsInSameAnonymousTree
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# [14:00] <mounir> yes
# [14:00] <@bz> Which is "this->GetBindingParent() == aContent->GetBindingParent()"
# [14:00] <mounir> yes
# [14:00] <@bz> so if you just have a textarea in the DOM
# [14:00] <@bz> with a textnode kid
# [14:00] <@bz> both have null bindingparent
# [14:01] <@bz> and the test tests true
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# [14:01] <mounir> hmm
# [14:01] <mounir> not afaict
# [14:01] <mounir> but let me double check that
# [14:01] <mounir> I have issues with XUL so I might be mistaking
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# [14:02] <mounir> (gdb) p aContent
# [14:02] <mounir> $42 = (nsTextNode *) 0x7fffdd8c4c00
# [14:02] <mounir> (gdb) p aContent->GetBindingParent()
# [14:02] <mounir> $43 = (nsHTMLTextAreaElement *) 0x7fffde9aa000
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# [14:03] <jimm> edmorley: sorry, would have caught that last night but forgot to check noignore=1
# [14:03] <mounir> bz: in HTML, that behaviour is fine actually because we call ::Reset() just before and at that point, textarea.value is set
# [14:03] <@bz> mounir: well, that's not one of the kids of the textarea, then
# [14:03] <@bz> mounir: what's your callstack?
# [14:03] <edmorley> jimm: it's ok, the root cause is the script that picks the nightly changeset not correctly ignoring win64
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# [14:04] <mounir> bz: it's in nsHTMLTextAreaElement::ContentAppended
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# [14:05] <@bz> mounir: yes, but the stack?
# [14:06] <@bz> mounir: setting .value should of course land in this method
# [14:06] <@bz> mounir: for the anon textnodes in the editor
# [14:06] <@bz> mounir: and NOT trigger a Reset()
# [14:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa1f52704c9e - Rafael Ćvila de EspĆndola - Bug 840758 - Get the profile directory earlier. r=BenWa.
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# [14:07] <mounir> bz: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2135628
# [14:08] <@bz> mounir: right, that's changing the anon textnodes in the eitor
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# [14:08] <@bz> mounir: which do in fact have the textarea as bindingparent
# [14:08] <@bz> mounir: and changing them better not call reset()
# [14:08] <mounir> oh
# [14:08] <mounir> indee
# [14:08] <mounir> h
# [14:08] <mounir> gasp
# [14:09] <mounir> bz: anyway, my original issue is with regard to XUL
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# [14:09] <@bz> ok
# [14:09] <mounir> textbo
# [14:09] <@bz> So what's the original issue?
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# [14:09] <mounir> textboxes multiline use html:textarea
# [14:09] <mounir> and I have a change that cleaned up the way we handle the value for input/textarea
# [14:09] <mounir> but that broke
# [14:10] <mounir> broke xul because we never call ::Reset()
# [14:10] <mounir> I mean, not during parsing
# [14:10] <mounir> I guess we don't call DoneCreatingChildren() with our XUL parser
# [14:10] <mounir> :DoneAddingChildre
# [14:11] <mounir> but in XUL, the HTMLTextArea has a binding parent and for some reasons, we never end up in the situation where aContent and this have the same binding parent
# [14:11] <@bz> That's correct
# [14:11] <@bz> well
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# [14:11] <@bz> why would we end up in that situation?
# [14:12] <@bz> I would not expect us to, during normal parsing.
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# [14:12] <@bz> You could make the textbox ctor call reset?
# [14:12] <@bz> But...
# [14:12] * @bz thinks
# [14:13] <mounir> bz: this is written in a xbl binding, I don't think reset is available from there
# [14:13] <@bz> what do you mean?
# [14:13] <mounir> oh
# [14:13] <@bz> Oh, hmm
# [14:13] <@bz> I thought it was on HTMLTextAreaElement, but it's not
# [14:13] <@bz> fooey
# [14:13] <@bz> OK, so hold on
# [14:13] * @bz looks at our textarea code
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# [14:14] <@bz> So the problem is that the XUL sink never notifies on its appends?
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# [14:14] <@bz> So we never get ContentAppended for our kids?
# [14:15] <@bz> But also doesn't call DoneAddingChildren?
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# [14:15] <mounir> bz: I get only one notification
# [14:15] <mounir> it is for the editor
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# [14:16] <mounir> the binding is defined as:
# [14:16] <mounir> <html:textarea class="textbox-textarea" anonid="input"
# [14:16] <mounir> xbl:inherits="xbl:text=value,disabled,tabindex,rows,cols,readonly,wrap,placeholder,mozactionhint,spellcheck"><children/></html:textarea>
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# [14:16] <@bz> yes, yes
# [14:16] <mounir> I guess
# [14:16] <mounir> argh
# [14:16] <mounir> damn keyboard
# [14:16] <@bz> We could just fix the XUL sink
# [14:16] <mounir> I guess "xbl:text=value" means that we set the textcontent to "value"
# [14:16] <@bz> s/could/should/
# [14:16] <@bz> imo
# [14:16] <@bz> oh, wait
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# [14:17] <@bz> this is being cloned, right?
# [14:17] <mounir> no idea
# [14:17] <@bz> one sec
# [14:17] <mounir> never played with xul, I like my mental insanity as it is
# [14:17] <@bz> This is XBL anon content
# [14:17] <@bz> not XUL directly
# [14:17] <@bz> one sec
# [14:18] <@bz> OK
# [14:18] <@bz> So when XBL is setting up its stuff
# [14:18] <@bz> The kids it appends for xbl:text are appended like so:
# [14:18] <@bz> 1017 realElement->AppendChildTo(textContent, false);
# [14:18] <@bz> So no notification
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# [14:19] <@bz> So basically the XBL code clones an existing <textarea>
# [14:19] <@bz> then adds a kid to it without notifying
# [14:20] <mounir> that's not nice
# [14:20] <@bz> And then stick the whole thing in the DOM
# [14:20] <@bz> Nope
# [14:20] <@bz> Not nice, indeed
# [14:20] <@bz> Probably broken in all sorts of cases, actually
# [14:21] <mounir> sic :(
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# [14:24] <@bz> We could try notifying in the XBL code...
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# [14:24] <@bz> Or we could try to work around in textarea somehow
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# [14:27] <@bz> :(
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# [14:28] <n13l> is there an posibility to hook https connection (specially ssl handshake) in mozzila ? would like to find client secret derived from masterkey
# [14:28] <n13l> can not find any usefull api documentation arround that Security Manager
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# [15:02] <edmorley> RyanVM: yuck at all the leaks
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# [15:06] <yzen> Yoric: ping
# [15:06] <jez> Who were/are the people responsible for development of the HTTP protocol in Mozilla?
# [15:06] <@bz> jez: no idea
# [15:06] <@bz> jez: Patrick McManus and Jason Duell
# [15:06] <@bz> jez: right now
# [15:06] <Yoric> yzen: pong
# [15:06] <jez> any of them on here?
# [15:06] <@bz> jez: but back when, Darin Fisher
# [15:06] <@bz> jez: it's 6am for them right now
# [15:06] <jez> yeah but do they ever come on
# [15:07] <@bz> Sure
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# [15:07] <jez> what are their nicks?
# [15:07] <yzen> Yoric: hi, I was wondering re Bug 828201 if anything else needs to be done? or will it just need a check in needed ? I uploaded the mem diff and screenshots with working l11n along with the updated patch
# [15:07] <Yoric> Let me look.
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# [15:08] <yzen> Yoric: thanks, also I should be able to use try for the other one (828204) now
# [15:09] <glob> jez, patrick's irc nick is mcmanus, jason's is jduell
# [15:09] <jez> ok
# [15:09] <NeilAway> hah, nobody ever uses it
# [15:09] <n13l> is there an posibility to hook https connection (specially ssl handshake) in mozzila ? would like to find client secret derived from masterkey
# [15:09] <Yoric> yzen: Weird, it didn't show on my dashboard. Sorry, otherwise I would have reviewed it earlier.
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# [15:13] <Yoric> yzen: I am unfortunately not familiar with the output of AWSY. You might want to f? this one with kats.
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# [15:13] <Yoric> Although your explanation of the memory regression is completely satisfying to me.
# [15:14] <Yoric> yzen: Did you find out what was causing the Google regression?
# [15:14] <yzen> Yoric: not really, i built firefox with my patch and then tried steps to reproduce that bug and could not, everything worked just fine
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# [15:16] <jez> jdm: yes but is the networking component responsible for prompting the user for credentials, or the UI part?
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# [15:17] <jdm> jez: what UI is involved?
# [15:17] <yzen> Yoric: looks like kats is away in #mobile at the moment, ill ping him later to confirm with him that the diff looks good
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# [15:19] <jez> jdm: the dialog to prompt for username and password
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# [15:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/744fb922a42e - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 840195 - Update fails if FF is installed in a non-default install path. r=rstrong
# [15:21] <Yoric> yzen: That Google regression has me quite puzzled. I can't think of anything that would be related to OS.File in language packs. If you want to mark this checkin-needed now, you have my blessing. If you want more reassurance, try and contact blinky to see if they manage to reproduce the issue with the new version of your patch.
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# [15:21] <mounir> bz: back from lunch
# [15:22] <mounir> bz: so, do you think I should try to notify?
# [15:23] <davidb> mounir: did you catch surkov? his reply to me was that we can work out the a11y fix separately.
# [15:24] <mounir> davidb: no, I didn't hear from him
# [15:24] <mounir> davidb: do you mean that we could land that and fix the a11y issue later?
# [15:24] <davidb> that is my take on it
# [15:25] <mounir> davidb: alex agreed?
# [15:25] <davidb> mounir: his suggestion.
# [15:25] <mounir> davidb: do we know if many ppl use a11y features on Nightly?
# [15:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/696dc68a45e7 - Joshua Yuan - Bug 827784 - Provide an option to disable favicons on webpage shortcuts in Windows. r=bbondy
# [15:25] <davidb> mounir: not many
# [15:26] <yzen> Yoric: ok ill ask first, and let you know
# [15:26] <jdm> jez: necko causes the popup to appear. I'm still not sure what you're asking, though.
# [15:26] <davidb> mounir: i suspect he has started on the fix but I didn't catch him today.
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# [15:28] <jez> jdm: the browser gets a 407 from the server. why doesn't it prompt the user for authorization credentials in the same way it would with a 401?
# [15:28] <mounir> davidb: I will land that then
# [15:28] <mounir> davidb: I ge
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# [15:28] <mounir> davidb: and thank you for helping with this :)
# [15:28] <davidb> np
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# [15:35] <mounir> davidb: oh, but actually, I should find a way to fix the tests
# [15:35] <davidb> mounir: how many test files fail?
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# [15:35] <davidb> mounir: it might be easier to give alex a couple of days
# [15:35] <davidb> i'll double check that he's on it
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# [15:37] <mounir> davidb: there are 5 tests files failure
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# [15:37] <davidb> bummer
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# [15:38] <jdm> jez: that's a reasonable question, and definitely handled by necko
# [15:40] <yzen> Yoric: if I wanted to ask whether blinky can reproduce the bug with my patched build, should I just upload it somewhere?
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# [15:43] <Yoric> yzen: You mean the build?
# [15:43] <Yoric> Or the patch?
# [15:43] <yzen> yse
# [15:43] <Yoric> The patch: certainly.
# [15:43] <Yoric> The build: see with blinky.
# [15:43] <yzen> Yoric: ok thanks
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# [15:51] <Yoric> Does anyone know if we have something like |cron| in m-c?
# [15:51] <RyanVM> espindola: looks like you had xpcshell bustage too, fwiw
# [15:51] <mounir> bz: ping
# [15:52] <Yoric> Something that could be used to launch a callback around a given moment.
# [15:52] <@bz> mounir: ack
# [15:52] <Yoric> (taking into account shutdowns)
# [15:53] * @bz is ready to give up on this event handler thing. :(
# [15:53] <@smaug> bz: ?
# [15:53] <@smaug> event listener thing?
# [15:54] <@bz> smaug: yeah
# [15:54] <@smaug> bz: what is the problem ?
# [15:54] <@bz> smaug: mmm
# [15:54] <@smaug> still failures?
# [15:54] <@bz> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b5cc49a614e0
# [15:54] <@bz> smaug: bc and oth
# [15:54] <@bz> smaug: the oth failure I can't reproduce by just running the test that fails
# [15:54] <@bz> smaug: so presumably it depends on something earlier in the test suite or some such insanity
# [15:55] <@bz> smaug: The bc failure I can reproduce but it's .... weird
# [15:55] <espindola> RyanVM: yes, sorry, I assumed a file was being linked everywhere, but it was just on Mac and Windows
# [15:55] <@bz> smaug: though I guess I might as well start with it and see how it goes
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# [15:55] <@bsmedberg> If Opera is dropping Presto, does that mean they might open-source it?
# [15:55] <@bz> smaug: debugging "the browser ui" as a testcase is always so fun. ;)
# [15:55] <RyanVM> espindola: not a problem, just wanted to make sure you saw
# [15:55] <@bz> bsmedberg: that would be _very_ interesting to me.
# [15:56] <sheppy> I wonder how much harder documenting WebKit compatibility is going to get now. Meh.
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# [15:56] <@smaug> bsmedberg: someone said no
# [15:57] <@smaug> though I'd like to see how Presto handles cycles :)
# [15:57] <mounir> bz: so I tried notify in SetAttrs
# [15:57] <mounir> bz: ... and that crashes
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# [15:57] <@smaug> lunch time
# [15:57] <@bz> mounir: not entirely surprising.
# [15:57] <mounir> bz: you said that we could fix the XUL content sink
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# [15:57] <@bz> mounir: That won't help
# [15:57] <@bz> mounir: This is a pure XBL issue, not a XUL sink issue
# [15:57] <mounir> ok
# [15:57] <@bz> mounir: (I said that before I knew where your textarea was coming from)
# [15:58] <mounir> bz: I guess we can also have some textarea specific code for that
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# [16:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05524e628b83 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 833808 part 2. Add some utilities for working with selectors to inspector utils. r=dbaron
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# [16:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32b985353206 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 618479 part 1. Clean up the nsTArray binary-insert code a little bit. r=jlebar,kinetik
# [16:09] <jesup> !seen peterv
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# [16:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04f0afec7a03 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 833808 part 1. Inspector code should be IMPL_NS_LAYOUT. r=dbaron
# [16:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9cfb608a633 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 840614. Fix the browserelement auth tests to not throw exceptions and actually test what they mean to test. r=jdm
# [16:10] <firebot> peterv was last seen 4 days, 21 hours, 28 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying 'RyanVM: sounds like a plan' in #developers.
# [16:10] <RyanVM> hah, that's the second time I've got pinged by firebot like that
# [16:11] <jesup> bz: is peterv on PTO? If so, is there someone else who can review that patch?
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# [16:15] <@bz> jesup: I don't know. I mailed him about that review when I posted the patch, but no response so far....
# [16:15] <@bz> jesup: as far as other reviewers, maybe jst or mrbkap...
# [16:15] <@bz> jesup: I was going to wait another day before really worrying about it
# [16:15] <RyanVM> jimm: btw, I had to clobber :P
# [16:16] <jesup> bz: the PTO logs say peterv is on PTO through today, so he may be back tomorrow
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# [16:18] <@bz> jesup: ah, ok
# [16:18] <@bz> jesup: Then yeah, let's see how tomorrow looks.
# [16:18] <jimm> RyanVM: really?
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# [16:18] <RyanVM> yep, was dying during make package
# [16:18] <RyanVM> scroll down inbound tbpl if you're curious
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# [16:19] <RyanVM> the NSIS packager couldn't find some of the new keys
# [16:19] <jimm> RyanVM: odd, I didn't clobber when I landed that patch set on mc
# [16:19] <RyanVM> weird
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# [16:20] <jimm> RyanVM: there was a bug in the installer though for cases where --enable-metro wasn't in mozconfig
# [16:20] <jimm> maybe somehow you ran into that
# [16:20] <jimm> I pushed a fix for that to mc this am
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# [16:23] <jimm> RyanVM: so that is what you ran into. which is odd, it would mean that your inbound push didn't pick up changes to the mozconfigs
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# [16:23] <Yoric> gavin: ping
# [16:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e9f268fe695 - Mark Finkle - Bug 835399 - Allow launching non-privileged webapps with a URL r=wesj
# [16:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6c2f32553ebc - Mark Finkle - Bug 837393 - Remove webapps from the recent apps list r=wesj
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# [16:25] <edmorley> jimm: mozconfig changes needs a clobber
# [16:26] <edmorley> it's likely m-c already had a clobber set (from the lower frequency of pushes)
# [16:26] <jimm> edmorley: the direct mc push picked up that it needed a reconfig automatically
# [16:26] <jimm> but inbound did not
# [16:26] <RyanVM> jimm: actually
# [16:26] <jimm> or maybe mc always does config?
# [16:26] <RyanVM> you just got lucky with m-c
# [16:26] <edmorley> jimm: mozconfigs "intentionally" aren't in the make dependency chain
# [16:26] <RyanVM> free space clobber on your push
# [16:26] <jimm> oh really?
# [16:26] <jimm> ok
# [16:26] <jimm> heh awesome!
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# [16:27] <RyanVM> yeah, so luck of the draw :)
# [16:27] <jimm> alright well noted for future reference.
# [16:28] <jimm> mozconfig changes need a clobber on inbound/mc.
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# [16:29] <edmorley> jimm: ideally just change the CLOBBER file in the tree root to indicate a clobber is required
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# [16:29] <jimm> I didn't want to force people to delete their obj dir
# [16:29] <jimm> which wasn't needed
# [16:29] <edmorley> jimm: they don't have to, they can touch/cp the clobber file
# [16:29] <edmorley> well it is, for windows
# [16:30] <edmorley> even locally
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# [16:30] <mbrubeck> local builds don't use in-tree mozconfigs, do they?
# [16:30] <jimm> I'm not sure many devs know that
# [16:30] <edmorley> jimm: it's in the message
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# [16:30] <edmorley> mbrubeck: no, but I was presuming we were changing the defaults too?
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# [16:31] <jimm> right, but it doesn't say "you should just touch this" it says, "touch this at your own risk." :)
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# [16:32] <jimm> I think generally when people get that clobber message they know they have to delete and reconfig. which at least on windows sucks a lot of time.
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# [16:32] <jimm> anyway
# [16:32] <jimm> the changes I landed only required a reconf, not a clobber
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# [16:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/081cf5b0121e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge the inbound to m-c.
# [16:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e4f468b4906 - Oleg Romashin - Bug 834323 - Consider to remove hardcoded samplerate from gstreamer pipeline. r=alessandro, f=rillian
# [16:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e724ee268e14 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
# [16:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3e65fe37681 - Jim Mathies - Bug 840948 - Fix for missing nsis function 'ResetWin8PromptKeys' in builds that don't have enable-metro. Fixes Win64 build bustage. r=bbondy
# [16:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c8479bdaf0c8 - Sunny - Bug 839171 - Update formMethod reflection to have the empty string as default value (and 'get' as invalid value). r=mounir
# [16:33] <edmorley> jimm: it's more for project branches pulling from m-c, since people won't realise
# [16:33] <jimm> oh hmm
# [16:33] <edmorley> however the clobber file is all or nothing at the moment
# [16:34] <jimm> edmorley: want me to land an update on mc to CLOBBER?
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# [16:34] <edmorley> jimm: perhaps just leave it for now, bit of a compromise either way :-)
# [16:34] <jimm> ok
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# [16:35] <jimm> sorry for the hassle!
# [16:35] <Honza> Experienced weird error when building Fx on Win, <xpcomds_s.lib.desc>: Found error
# [16:35] <Honza> any tips?
# [16:36] <glandium> Honza: the error is most likely much higher in the log
# [16:36] <glandium> (the actual error)
# [16:36] <edmorley> jimm: actually, the message does state the command to use now: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#141
# [16:36] <RyanVM> jimm, I've already clobbered and pushed to fx-team
# [16:36] <Honza> glandium: I'll check it
# [16:36] <edmorley> jimm: we could still likely do with something platform specific
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# [16:37] <RyanVM> if you're going to rev CLOBBER, please at least do so with a DONTBUILD
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# [16:38] <jimm> don't think we need to.
# [16:38] * froydnj finds that slightly ironic
# [16:38] <@bz> ehsan: ping
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# [16:39] <Honza> glandium: c:/src/mozilla.org/fx-team/gfx/cairo/libpixman/src/pixman-srgb.c(5) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'stdint.h': No such file or directory
# [16:39] <RattyAway> Honza: is tellrob the correct reviewer for Bug 840911 ?
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# [16:39] <RattyAway> Honza: that file shouldn't exist any more
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> Lovely
# [16:40] <Honza> RattyAway: you probably want mayhemer I guess
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# [16:40] <Ms2ger> Who's been using stdint.h directly?
# [16:40] <RattyAway> Honza: ok also see pixman bug 828789
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# [16:41] <jimm> edmorley, RyanVM: btw, once b3e65fe37681 on mc goes green, I'd like to trigger another nightly.
# [16:41] <RattyAway> Honza: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836696#c7 Patch v1.1 just delete stdint.h
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# [16:41] <RyanVM> knock yourself out
# [16:41] <jimm> thx
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# [16:46] <satdav> developers you 100% sure the merge is next week as i got a email saying it was today
# [16:46] <satdav> well the sign off meeting
# [16:47] <hub> satdav: previous merge was January 7. Count 6 weeks from there.
# [16:48] <satdav> OK
# [16:48] <satdav> so sunday
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# [16:49] <satdav> hub, i go by https://mail.mozilla.com/home/akeybl@mozilla.com/Release%20Management.html
# [16:49] <Honza> RattyAway: ok, cool I am trying the patch. Also, in another branch (mozilla-central), I am seeing: c:/src/mozilla.org/mozilla-central/xpcom/ds/TimeStamp_windows.cpp(358) : error C2039: 'abs' : is not a member of 'std'
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# [16:50] <RattyAway> Honza: err that's Bug 840911 where I have a patch
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# [16:51] <RattyAway> Honza: for pixman-srgb.c you probably need to merge m-c to fx-team to pick up the latest pixman
# [16:51] <satdav> hub, do you know what time at on monday it will be released well thursday
# [16:51] <dholbert> satdav, ( https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar#Future_branch_dates is handy too )
# [16:51] <satdav> and thats for build 1 next week
# [16:51] <Honza> RattyAway: ok, thanks
# [16:52] <satdav> well tuesday
# [16:52] <dholbert> satdav, nobody knows that except for maybe release drivers
# [16:52] <dholbert> satdav, and #planning would be the channel to ask
# [16:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7ec124ace4cb - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 813906 - Mochitest for unified base URI usage. r=bsmedberg
# [16:52] <satdav> dholbert, is that were they cang about
# [16:52] <dholbert> satdav, yeah
# [16:53] <dholbert> satdav, generally releases happen in the mornings of release day
# [16:53] <dholbert> satdav, (Pacific time)
# [16:53] <satdav> oh
# [16:53] <satdav> it should be gmt
# [16:54] <dholbert> no comment
# [16:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2da3edf254fb - Geoff Brown - Bug 840725: Cleanup robocop tab retrieval functions; r=jmaher
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# [17:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5e63610b9072 - Patrick McManus - bug 819044 backout changes to spdy goaway handling r=backout
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# [17:18] <RyanVM> bz: mochitest-4 orange on your push
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# [17:21] <@bz> RyanVM: looking
# [17:22] <RyanVM> firebot: bug 840928
# [17:22] <RyanVM> lol
# [17:22] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840928 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Transition to a WebKit engine
# [17:22] <@bz> RyanVM: fixing
# [17:22] <@bz> RyanVM: Stupid test. :(
# [17:22] <RyanVM> bz: OK, push with a CLOSED TREE in your commit message :)
# [17:23] <RyanVM> but at the same time, wow, Opera's going to Webkit
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# [17:23] <gaston> ahaha
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# [17:24] <@bz> RyanVM: yeah, will do
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# [17:29] <@bz> RyanVM: pushed
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# [17:30] <@bz> Man
# [17:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dcc017a7cd4d - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 833808 followup. Placate over-strict test in CLOSED TREE.
# [17:30] <@bz> we touch the CLOBBER file a lot. :(
# [17:30] <@smaug> !seen azakai
# [17:30] <@killer> I don't know who azakai is.
# [17:30] <firebot> azakai was last seen 2 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 15 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying 'luke_laptop: git://github.com/kripken/misc-js-benchmarks.git' in #jsapi.
# [17:30] <@smaug> bz: indeed
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# [17:36] <qheaden> Which module does the image viewing and downloading code belong to?
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# [17:42] <Ms2ger> bz, fortunately you can always just copy the file
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# [17:43] <@bz> Ms2ger: hmmm?
# [17:43] <Ms2ger> The CLOBBER file
# [17:43] <@bz> Oh, from a different rev?
# [17:43] <@bz> Or into the objdir?
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# [17:45] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#140
# [17:45] <Ms2ger> Yeah, that
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# [17:52] <gregglind> suggestions for finding a good vm image for testing on linux optimized builds? I have vmware fusion.
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# [17:56] <dcrewi> gregglind: get an iso image from one of the distributions and install from that
# [17:56] <dcrewi> or were you asking where to get that
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# [17:58] <edmorley|mtg> mak: lol :-)
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# [18:00] <gregglind> dcrewi, I guess I have to go through the install step? My fantasy would be vagrant-ish sorto f thign
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# [18:04] <dcrewi> gregglind: what you want might exist, but I don't know about it
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# [18:06] <gregglind> dcrewi, and jdm, thanks for the advice. Sounds like a loaner machine might be a better solution for me (certainly simpler!)
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# [18:07] <dcrewi> yeah, I guess a live cd might bypass the installation step
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# [18:14] <NeilAway> bah, assertions suck, particularly ones that fire as the result of you trying to debug
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# [18:15] <NeilAway> RyanVM: is 840928 marked parity-opera?
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# [18:15] <Ms2ger> A good bug for clueless people
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# [18:28] <NeilAway> oh great, I think I managed to DoS the debugger, one of the error console messages is way too long for it :s
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# [18:30] <@gavin> Yoric: pong
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# [18:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6f28814befb7 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 840346: Flat UI in about: pages. [r=mfinkle]
# [18:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/700ef0823d91 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 840346: Flat URL bar. [r=mfinkle]
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# [18:44] <jimb> "We will store the purple buffer in TLS" you guys are fearless
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# [18:45] <Ms2ger> Mwuhahahahahaha
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# [18:48] <@bz> jimb: hmm?
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# [18:50] <jimb> bz: A line from khuey|away 's letter about implementing cycle collection in web workers
# [18:51] <@smaug> jimb: ?
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# [18:51] <@smaug> what is the problem there?
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# [18:51] <jimb> bz: It caught my eye as indicative of technical heroism, and also being amusing gibberish if you don't know what the purple buffer is.
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# [18:51] <jimb> smaug: I'm not aware of there being any problem.
# [18:52] <JosiahOne> spohl: Ping.
# [18:52] <JosiahOne> Rats.
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# [18:52] <JosiahOne> !seen spohl
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# [18:52] <jimb> smaug: My IRC line wasn't "you guys are dumb"; it was "you guys rock"
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# [18:53] <@smaug> jimb: :)
# [18:53] <@smaug> jimb: I was just thinking if you see some problem in the approach...
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# [18:53] <@smaug> would be good to know about it earlier than later
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# [18:54] <jimb> smaug: I thought I understood cycle collection pretty well once, for about an afternoon. Not any more, though. :(
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# [18:56] <@smaug> jimb: the basic are still the same ... plus tons of optimizations
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# [18:58] <@smaug> and poor Opera. Switching to the browser engine with the worst memory management :p
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# [18:59] <jhammel> smaug++ ;)
# [19:00] <jhammel> poor Opera indeed
# [19:01] <nemo> is anyone here familiar w/ about:memory ?
# [19:01] <nemo> I have a small q
# [19:01] <nemo> smaug: heh. well. for iOS they don't have much choice :)
# [19:02] <froydnj> nemo: what's the about:memory q?
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# [19:02] <nemo> froydnj: so. There's this site that vlad used long ago as an example of pathological styling
# [19:02] <nemo> froydnj: http://www.wthitv.com/images/bg_module.png this is their background image
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# [19:03] <nemo> froydnj: now, vlad notes that that image, if unpacked, is either 1299*15000*3 bytes or 1299*15000*4 bytes
# [19:03] <froydnj> 15000px high?!
# [19:03] <nemo> froydnj: yeah. stupid in so many ways
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# [19:03] <nemo> aaanyway
# [19:03] <nemo> froydnj: so. I load their site, w/ NoScript running, verify the image shows up in page info, then go to about:memory
# [19:03] <nemo> froydnj: the site is reported as using 4 megs or so of memory, which seems impossible
# [19:04] <nemo> so either the image is being misreported, or it isn't actually being loaded
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# [19:04] <@bz> nemo: on Linux?
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# [19:05] <nemo> bz: yeah
# [19:05] <nemo> bz: I loaded the image in a separate tab, set more verbose
# [19:05] <nemo> and it does suck up 400 megs
# [19:05] <nemo> er. wait
# [19:05] <nemo> no!
# [19:05] <nemo> that's bytes!!
# [19:05] <@bz> nemo: Do we report memory that's not in our address space in about:memory?
# [19:05] <@bz> nemo: on Linux we just store images on the X server, last I checked
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# [19:05] <@bz> nemo: not sure how about:memory reports them
# [19:06] <froydnj> bz: nemo: I don't think we try to measure them
# [19:06] <@bz> nemo: what happens to your X memory usage when you load that page? ;)
# [19:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/985508c04c80 - Till Schneidereit - Bug 679940 - Share bytecode, source notes and atoms of functions in a runtime wherever possible. r=bhackett
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# [19:09] <@khuey> gabor: ssh to irssi running on people.m.o?
# [19:09] <nemo> bz: oh. hm :)
# [19:09] <nemo> bz: would it release that memory on closing the tab?
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# [19:09] <@bz> nemo: probably not
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# [19:10] <nemo> bz: how about closing firefox?
# [19:10] <@bz> xrestop?
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# [19:10] <Yoric> gavin: Gasp, I forgot what I wanted to ask you.
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# [19:10] <@bz> closing firefox should drop the images from the server
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# [19:10] <froydnj> Yoric: so many questions? :)
# [19:10] <nemo> bz: hm. I've been unfair to chrome underl inux then
# [19:10] <nemo> bz: since I imagine they keep track of such things themselves
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# [19:11] <nemo> their excessive memory usage might be related to that
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# [19:11] <nemo> (when loading a set of tabs in both)
# [19:11] <@bz> measuring things is hard
# [19:11] <froydnj> nemo: welcome to the wonderful world of accurate benchmarking
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# [19:11] <gabor> khuey: does that give me sound notification if I get a PM or someone uses my name in a message?
# [19:11] <@khuey> nope
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# [19:12] <nemo> !@#!@$!@$!@
# [19:12] <nemo> I'm too trusting
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# [19:12] <nemo> bz: I ran that w/o thinking more than. oh, bz is suggesting it, sounds like it is a "top" operation for X resources
# [19:12] <jhammel> gabor: heh, it can ;)
# [19:13] <nemo> bz: lost my entire X session, including all the work I was doing
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# [19:13] <@bz> nemo: er... and?
# [19:13] <jhammel> if you want to wire such a thing up
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# [19:13] <@bz> nemo: That's not right!
# [19:13] <@bz> nemo: it _is_ a "top" operation for X resources!
# [19:13] * nemo sighs
# [19:13] <nemo> welp. since everything is gone now.
# [19:13] <nemo> let's try it again
# [19:13] <@bz> nemo: :( Sorry. :(
# [19:14] <gabor> jhammel: oh man, that sounds so bad already :D I would prefer something I just install and it works...
# [19:14] <nemo> same behaviour
# [19:14] <gabor> but will check it out anyway
# [19:14] <nemo> bz: welp. now's a good time to check my memory usage :D
# [19:14] <jhammel> gabor: yeah, it definitely won't do that ;) iirc, irssi lets you edit configuration to specify a command line to use
# [19:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ade9020c8506 - Bobby Holley - Bug 839792 - Do XBL lookups on the shadow prototype. r=bz
# [19:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/957aa28ca89d - Bobby Holley - Bug 839792 - Store members on a shadow proto in the XBL scope. r=bz
# [19:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/872af2305af3 - Bobby Holley - Bug 839792 - Revert Tamper-proofing. r=bz
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# [19:15] <jhammel> so the pain of infinite freedom
# [19:15] <nemo> bz: Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in FindAllClientResources() yay
# [19:15] <jhammel> wow
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# [19:17] <gfritzsche> gabor: irccloud?
# [19:17] <nemo> bz: I'm not even using sucky fglrx driver. FOSS all the way. bleah
# [19:17] <jhammel> mibbit? ;)
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# [19:19] <gabor> gfritzsche: jhammel: yeah I might want to check out the webbased solutions too... thanks for the idea
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# [19:19] <jhammel> when i'm not using irssi, i just do whatever firefox does for the irc:// protocol OOTB
# [19:19] <jhammel> which i believe is mibbit
# [19:20] <nemo> jhammel: or chatzilla if you have the extension installed
# [19:20] <jhammel> i do not, sir :)
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# [19:21] <gabor> I think I try out all the popular open source irc clients and see which works... it's so annoying when I miss an important message beause busy with something else
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# [19:22] <gabor> Mook_as: can it do that?
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# [19:23] <Mook_as> gabor: well, I'm using it now, so... I hope so?
# [19:23] <nemo> froydnj, bz: so if I load http://www.wthitv.com/images/bg_module.png directly, Firefox memory usage as reported by top jumps
# [19:23] <nemo> 6074 nemo 20 0 730m 105m 35m S 2.7 0.7 0:01.39 firefox
# [19:23] <nemo> 6074 nemo 20 0 931m 235m 37m R 14.6 1.5 0:02.01 firefox
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# [19:24] <nemo> froydnj: but if I go to about:memory and enable verbose and search for bg_module about:memory reports it as using 1,372,856 B
# [19:24] <nemo> 1,372,856 B (01.77%) -- top(http://www.wthitv.com/images/bg_module.png, id=8)
# [19:24] <nemo> that seems incorrect and misleading
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# [19:27] <nemo> froydnj: oh. also Xorg doesn't seem to change
# [19:27] <nemo> froydnj: hm. I guess what I should do is copy about:memory to a text file and pull a diff
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# [19:28] <froydnj> nemo: I can load that site and I don't see the image come up in about:memory at all
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# [19:29] <nemo> froydnj: yeah. that too
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# [19:29] <nemo> froydnj: I loaded the image directly and used about:memory?verbose
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# [19:29] <nemo> froydnj: 2 tabs, one about:memory, the other http://www.wthitv.com/images/bg_module.png
# [19:30] <nemo> froydnj: seems to me that makes identifying naughty sites problematic
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# [19:30] <nemo> heh. diff will be problematic due to different section ordering
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# [19:32] <nemo> it'd be nice if there was some other layout that would make it easier to see changes across areas. maybe a table instead of a tree where the indentation/order can shift around
# [19:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3c95d8f93249 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 840177 - Part 1: Fire a DOM event when a search occurs on about:home; r=gavin
# [19:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b0c5ea9e93b1 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 840177 - Part 2: Record about:home searches in Firefox Health Report; r=gavin, r=rnewman
# [19:34] <@gavin> Yoric: I was just talking to ttaubert about session store improvements
# [19:35] <froydnj> even a canonical ordering on nodes in the tree (sorted order at the same level) would be helpful
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# [19:35] <vlad> nemo: froydnj: haha, I remember WTHI TV!
# [19:35] <nemo> froydnj: well. what's bothering me w/ diff is even after reordering, the amount of indentation varies. so I'm stripping whitespace for readability
# [19:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/041328ec9651 - Ivaylo Dimitrov - Bug 836243 - Relax gstreamer version requirement. r=alessandro.d
# [19:36] <nemo> vlad: still unfixed, years later, still mocked in irc://irc.freenode.net/css
# [19:36] <nemo> vlad: amusingly, their old layout had some stripes that, while still idiotic, actually had somehow of a tiny purpose
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# [19:36] <vlad> which is still unfixed?
# [19:36] <nemo> vlad: their new layout is just a grey, which makes the image dimensions even dumber
# [19:36] <nemo> vlad: yeah. same image path, even simpler image
# [19:36] <vlad> I think we just said "nothing to fix, dumb layout"
# [19:36] <nemo> vlad: yep.
# [19:37] <vlad> oh you mean unfixed on their site?
# [19:37] <nemo> vlad: but. if I want to see what sites are responsible for firefox sucking up memory
# [19:37] <vlad> yeah
# [19:37] <vlad> Ithought you mean our bug :)
# [19:37] <nemo> vlad: about:memory needs to be reporting this by site
# [19:37] <vlad> yeah, absolutely
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# [19:37] <bnicholson> on fennec, we're getting onLocationChange events for about:blank immediately before the actual requested URL loads, apparently because of this bit here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp#8840. we use onLocationChange to update the URL bar, so we end up briefly flashing about:blank for external loads. anyone know how to filter these spurious events?
# [19:37] <nemo> their site is a nice pathological case, and it appears about:memory is failing
# [19:37] <nemo> sooo, I guess froydnj here will fix that? :D
# [19:37] <vlad> cool, nice catch
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# [19:39] <nemo> vlad: is almost a memory bomb now. the image is hilariously 815 bytes served
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# [19:39] <nemo> vlad: but after loading it firefox goes from 318,152 B ā”€ā”€ gfx-surface-image to 78,788,856 B ā”€ā”€ gfx-surface-image
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# [19:39] <nemo> vlad: aaaand I don't see any evidence of greater detail than that
# [19:40] <nemo> although as noted about:memory kinda sucks for pulling diffs right now
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# [19:40] <nemo> so who knows. it might be in there somewhere
# [19:40] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/mem.txt http://m8y.org/tmp/mem2.txt if anyone else wants it
# [19:40] <nemo> although I'm sure you can do it yourself
# [19:41] <nemo> I was kinda irritated also that there was no "save to file" or "copy to clipboard" as there is w/ about:support and I had to select the whooole tree by hand
# [19:41] <nemo> I guess I should have done ctrl-a but wanted to avoid any non-tree junk
# [19:42] <nemo> hm. that 75MiB in gfx-surface-image isn't all of it tho
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# [19:43] <nemo> firefox actual memory usage jumped by 130MiB loading that image.
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# [19:44] <nemo> not sure where the other 55MiB ended up. diff etc.
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# [19:46] <mbrubeck> I'm really enjoying using "mach build ." with the patch and script from bug 840690 and bug 840588.
# [19:46] <nemo> vlad: heh. since 0 B ā”€ā”€ images-content-used-uncompressed
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# [19:46] <nemo> vlad: goes to 78,323,872 and dividing by width and height yields 4.0197 I assume that means mozilla is representing as RGBA not RGB :)
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# [19:47] <nemo> oh. actual image size is 26596 - misunderstood page info
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# [19:49] <nemo> hahaha. vlad, this is awesome, here's the histogram for the image :D :D :D http://m8y.org/tmp/temp.txt
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# [19:50] <nemo> vlad: I didn't notice at first because y'all have a white background on images now instead of, oh, a checkerboard or something :)
# [19:50] <nemo> so RGBA makes sense, and it is also basically all empty space :D
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# [19:51] <nemo> hm. I bet I could reduce the size further by shifting those pixels from #FFFFFF00 to #00000000 - I should send it to them as a fix, for extra humour value
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# [20:17] <nemo> froydnj: seriously though, are you changing that? 'cause I really would like to know how much my pages "weigh"
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# [20:20] <Callek> RyanVM: you're leaking on m-c, :-)
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# [20:21] <froydnj> nemo: changing what?
# [20:21] <gcp> brendan just retweeted a HN post which was arguing against me for killing all non-WebKit browsers
# [20:22] <jhammel> Callek: now i have one of those "Calvin urinating on a chevy|ford" emblems in my head
# [20:22] <RyanVM> hah
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# [20:22] <froydnj> jhammel: I foresee a new logo to send to people who break the tree
# [20:22] <jhammel> heh
# [20:23] <Callek> I miss the tinderbox animated gif for bustage
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# [20:23] <Callek> the flames :-)
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# [20:23] <jhammel> yeah. that was *literally* the only good part of tinderbox ;)
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# [20:40] <brendan> gcp: HN is the new /. - beware
# [20:40] <brendan> my RT'ing does not imply endorsement of everything in an HN thread
# [20:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/24090bdf0393 - Wes Johnston - backout 28c0078a4d76 to fix commit message
# [20:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9261d6e9efe - Wes Johnston - Bug 830760 - Don't zoom into fields on tablets of pages with metaviewports. r=kats DONTBUILD
# [20:40] <gcp> brendan: without comments it's hard to see what you think of a post
# [20:41] <sid0> brendan: you should make that clear then
# [20:41] <gcp> brendan: even if it was just "see this discussion"
# [20:41] <sid0> I was shocked for a moment before I realized you weren't endorsing it
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# [20:46] <jcranmer|away> brendan: which hn post is this?
# [20:46] <Waldo> I dunno, I think it's pretty common for a retweet to not imply endorsement
# [20:46] <Waldo> not that I am opposed to clarification, tho :-)
# [20:47] <Waldo> or for a retweet to imply full endorsement
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# [20:49] <gcp> https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/301772094591606784
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# [20:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9b0d85344d32 - L. David Baron - Bug 840367: Fix misnaming of keyword IDs in nsCSSKeywordList.h. r=heycam
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# [20:57] <BenWa> Why don't we use MOZ_COUNT_CTOR in RefCounted? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/RefPtr.h#55
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# [21:00] <@khuey> probably because MOZ_COUNT_CTOR uses xpcom/?
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# [21:01] <Waldo> yes, that
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# [21:06] <froydnj> hm, inbound is a little backed up
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# [21:10] <Waldo> froydnj: and the sun rose in the east
# [21:10] <RealRaven> does anybody know whether there is a equivalent to window.peekMessage in Mozilla?
# [21:11] <Ms2ger> What is it?
# [21:11] <Waldo> ...peekMessage?
# [21:11] <RealRaven> peekmessage in the windows message queue gives some processing time to the window manager so other windows get a chance to react to WM__PAINT messages
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# [21:12] <RealRaven> What I want is I would like a progress meter to update during a lengthy chrome operation (changing passwords, the progress meter is on the password Manager window)
# [21:12] <Waldo> erm, that's not how I read http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms644943%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
# [21:12] <Waldo> and there is no such thing, in either case
# [21:13] <RealRaven> you can still call this during lengthy operations and it will make windows more reponsive. any other ideas?
# [21:13] <RealRaven> actually might have mixed it up with WaitMessage
# [21:14] <RealRaven> its been a while since I programmed windows message queues
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# [21:14] <Mook_as> there's nsIThread.processNextEvent(false), but that's completely evil and crash and you shouldn't use it
# [21:14] <RealRaven> At the moment the progress meter intializes at one and then goes to 100 after the loop is finished :(
# [21:14] <Waldo> if you want progress updates, you have to yield
# [21:15] <RealRaven> Waldo: ok, can you explain? maybe that's what I am looking for
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# [21:15] <Waldo> RealRaven: as in, return from all the functions performing your operation, and continue processing after a setTimeout(0) or whatever
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# [21:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee1c037c0e1c - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 784591. Just end the crashtest ownerdiscard.html after 30 seconds if the image doesn't get decoded. r=jdm
# [21:16] <RealRaven> hmm, then I would have to queue them with setTimer or something similar
# [21:16] <RealRaven> tricky.
# [21:16] <RealRaven> I would rather put that javascript thread to sleep and give gecko some time. I guess what youi described as nsIThread.processNextEvent
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# [21:17] <RealRaven> it is probably eveil because there is only _one_ (Javascript thread) ?
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# [21:18] <RealRaven> but a progress meter that doesn't paint is pretty pointless. kind of defeats the purpose (waves: Thunderbird has not crashed!)
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# [21:18] <RealRaven> Tb freezing while the user tries to change 50 passwords wouldn't go down to well.
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# [21:18] <RealRaven> although it _does_ come back after 20 secs or so....
# [21:19] <Waldo> RealRaven: you can't safely put threads to sleep; doing so requires coordination from everything that could possibly be in pending events on the thread
# [21:19] <Waldo> RealRaven: which is never going to be guaranteed
# [21:19] <RealRaven> Waldo: come on, no risk, no fun :(
# [21:19] <Waldo> RealRaven: and it can do other bad things like break run-to-completion
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# [21:20] <Waldo> RealRaven: I can think of plenty of fun things that don't involve this sort of risk/fun :-)
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# [21:20] <RealRaven> I think one problem is that aceman patched the code to update the password list more often, so this kind of makes the whole loop much slower.
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# [21:20] <RealRaven> And it broke my code which was doing a synchronous operation on the password list.
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# [21:20] <Mook_as> RealRaven: there is no javascript thread (assuming you're not talking about workers)
# [21:21] <RealRaven> no I am not.
# [21:21] <Mook_as> there's one paint-the-UI-and-run-JS-and-everything-else-under-the-sun thread
# [21:21] <RealRaven> I guess what I am trying to say is that the whole JS stuff is single threaded.
# [21:22] <RealRaven> So really the only thing would be to queue these operations and call them asynchronously via setTimer ?
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# [21:22] <Waldo> RealRaven: just save your progress into some sort of auxiliary data structure periodically and re-setTimout it
# [21:22] <Waldo> s/imout/imeout/
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# [21:23] <Mook_as> yeah, var thing = (function dostuff() { dostuff(); yield; domore(); clearInterval(foo); })() ; var foo = setInterval(function() thing.next(), 0);
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# [21:24] <Mook_as> err, catch StopIteration and all that. meh.
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# [21:29] <RealRaven> Mook_as: ah just letz me get my head arund this - you basically chain intervals together? I thought I just make an array and set up many setTimeouts, but that's definitely more elegant
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# [21:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d75207733e66 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 841097 - Stop unnecessary preprocessing in /browser/branding/locales [r=gavin]
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# [21:33] <Mook_as> RealRaven: well, multiple setTimeouts is actually better in that it wouldn't attempt silly things like catching up, but I was lazy ;)
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# [21:34] <RealRaven> So in that example, what does that yield od, exactly?
# [21:34] <RealRaven> *do
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# [21:45] <Mook_as> RealRaven: it returns from the function, and resumes when you call next()
# [21:45] <Mook_as> RealRaven: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Guide/Iterators_and_Generators#Generators.3A_a_better_way_to_build_Iterators
# [21:45] <RealRaven> ok, wow that was simple explanation - I had read (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/New_in_JavaScript/1.7)
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# [21:46] <alice> is there an event fired when reflow/relayout is complete?
# [21:46] <RealRaven> so basically I can queue up a bunch of lazy functions
# [21:47] <RealRaven> erm in your example was the recursion deliberate?
# [21:47] <RealRaven> (function dostuff() { dostuff(); yield; domore(); clearInterval(foo); })() ; var foo = setInterval(function() thing.next(), 0);
# [21:48] <RealRaven> or is it dostuff .. doOtherStuff?
# [21:48] <RealRaven> Mook_as: ^ ^
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# [21:49] <Mook_as> RealRaven: err, no, dosomeotherstuff()
# [21:49] <RealRaven> ok, thought so. that threw me first :)
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# [21:50] <nemo> froydnj: so that gigantic images like that are in some way linked to the page(s) that loaded them?
# [21:50] <nemo> froydnj: can about:memory even do that?
# [21:50] <nemo> 'cause right now it is kinda misleading
# [21:51] <Callek> annevk_++
# [21:51] <Callek> welcome to Mozilla
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# [21:53] <froydnj> nemo: I think it could do that, but nobody's implemented the logic
# [21:53] <froydnj> nemo: it's not obvious to me, given previous discussion, that the image memory should even be charged to firefox all the time
# [21:54] <jdm> Jesse++
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# [21:56] <Ms2ger> Callek, late to the party? ;)
# [21:56] <Callek> Ms2ger: yea, I haven't had time to read anne's blog in a while, and just read John (resig)'s entry about the opera switch and learned
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# [21:56] <Ms2ger> Ah, him
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# [21:57] <Callek> since I havent been working with web design or standards stuff, even remotely in a while -- I had to trim back my readings
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# [22:01] <jwir3> heycam: ping?
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# [22:01] <jwir3> ah, he's away.
# [22:01] <jwir3> Ms2ger: ping?
# [22:01] <Ms2ger> Oh dear
# [22:01] <Ms2ger> Yes?
# [22:02] <jwir3> Ms2ger: Do you know how to specify that a method in webidl is chrome-only? (Specifically, visible only to chrome js)
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# [22:02] <Ms2ger> [ChromeOnly]
# [22:02] <Ms2ger> Next?
# [22:02] <jwir3> heh
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# [22:02] <jwir3> awesome
# [22:02] <jwir3> that's all for today, thanks!
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# [22:02] <Ms2ger> :D
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# [22:03] <Ms2ger> jwir3, we try :)
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# [22:04] <jesup> Anyone strong in OSX-fu? In particular how the event loop stuff works? And maybe how it works at shutdown?
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# [22:04] <Ms2ger> jesup, I don't think so :)
# [22:05] <@smaug> jesup: josh might remember
# [22:05] <jesup> I was afraid of that..... :-(
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# [22:05] <@smaug> josh or smichaud
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# [22:16] <annevk> Callek: thanks
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# [22:19] <Callek> annevk: now I have a legit reason to meet/chat with you one of these days :-)
# [22:20] <@dolske> froydnj: you haz feedback (771331)!
# [22:20] <annevk> Callek: you in London?
# [22:20] <Callek> no, near Boston
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# [22:21] <Callek> but same company == better reason than "anne works at opera doing standards, I like standards"
# [22:21] <annevk> oh, I'm probably there next month
# [22:21] <annevk> hehe
# [22:21] * @khuey opens fire on sheppy's boat with the reality cannon
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# [22:21] <sheppy> khuey: oh hell.
# [22:22] <davidb> annevk: great!
# [22:22] * @dolske lobbies gov't for reality control
# [22:22] <sheppy> khuey: I'm going to wish someone had been down on the idea on the Yammer thread so it didn't go public, aren't I?
# [22:22] * davidb just heard about annevk
# [22:22] <sheppy> davidb: \o/
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# [22:22] <davidb> indeed
# [22:23] <sheppy> Just be glad I'm not asking for half the developers to be terminated to slow down our pace of development enough for the writers to catch up. :)
# [22:23] <sheppy> Since you guys are getting all the hiring resources and we're not getting any, the least you can do is pitch in a little.
# [22:23] * sheppy is bitter.
# [22:24] <@khuey> you could ask for that
# [22:24] <davidb> sheppy: same team. same team.
# [22:24] <@khuey> it would be entertaining certainly
# [22:24] <davidb> khuey: i dunno...
# [22:24] <sheppy> davidb: it doesn't always feel that way :)
# [22:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7c5e6288ef8 - Geoff Brown - Bug 824067 - Enable robocop testPasswordEncrypt; r=wesj
# [22:24] <davidb> docs are arguably force multiplierss
# [22:24] * @dolske idly wonders which half of khuey we should slice off.
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# [22:25] <sheppy> "You can't have any more writers, but nobody is going to help you get stuff written either. We're all too busy doing real work."
# [22:25] <Callek> dolske: the bottom half, we need to keep his brain, not his reproduction
# [22:25] <sheppy> That's basically the feeling I get here.
# [22:25] <@khuey> to be clear, I'm not saying that docs aren't important
# [22:25] <sheppy> khuey: I know.
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# [22:25] <Callek> sheppy: switch back to mediawiki and I'll help :-P
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# [22:25] <@khuey> I agree that for certain things they probably are force multipliers
# [22:25] <sheppy> Everybody thinks they're important, just not as important as what they're doing.
# [22:26] <jhammel|mtg> switch back to mediawiki and i'll cry ;)
# [22:26] <Callek> haha
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# [22:26] <@khuey> my point is just that we haven't been willing to block things like b2g on minor concerns like code quality
# [22:26] <sheppy> switch back to MediaWiki and I'd quit.
# [22:26] <jhammel|mtg> and possibly stab Callek :P
# [22:26] <sheppy> khuey: lol
# [22:26] <@khuey> so blocking it on docs isn't going to happen
# [22:26] <Callek> sheppy: yea, I know your feelings there, and since you use it a lot more than me, I'll just occassionaly complain -- and thats it
# [22:27] <sheppy> Well, add that to my serious concerns about the viability of b2g.
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# [22:27] <sheppy> Anyway.
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# [22:28] <froydnj> dolske: nom nom nom
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# [22:28] <froydnj> jaws: what's with the crAzY uSErnAmE?
# [22:29] <jaws> froydnj: for fUn :P
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# [22:32] <jhammel> probably not a discussion i should throw my hat into on #developers, but both sheppy and khuey are correct
# [22:32] <jhammel> and i think i'll just leave it there
# [22:32] <sheppy> jhammel: haha
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# [22:33] <jhammel> heh, i wish i could say i said it for a laugh
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# [22:33] <jhammel> we'ze got some prioritization to work out
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# [22:33] <sheppy> jhammel: yes, that's true.
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# [22:34] <nemo> froydnj: well. loading that gigantic image pretty clearly results in a 130MiB jump in memory
# [22:34] <sheppy> This may be all a cover for how much I wish we could hire another writer or two, and frustration that they keep adding to the workload for writers without adding more people to get it done. :)
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# [22:34] <nemo> froydnj: and a big jump in that image line of the totals
# [22:34] <jhammel> ha!
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# [22:35] <@smaug> uh, why oh why
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# [22:36] <@smaug> icons aren't under icons but under browser/icons
# [22:36] <@smaug> breaks random stuff
# [22:36] <@roc> sheppy: have you tried talking to jdm about steering contributors towards dev-doc?
# [22:36] <jhammel> Philip: you can't just stop at half
# [22:36] <jhammel> er, philor , sorry
# [22:38] <sheppy> roc: Been working on it, yes
# [22:38] <jhammel> maybe i'll weigh into the thread....but likely by the time i get around to it it will have fallen to entropy
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# [22:38] <sheppy> philor: I meant "terminate with extreme prejudice" not "fire." ;)
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# [22:44] <philor> roc: I did see that you starred some test failures, and even filed one, the other day, that'll look good on your record when up-against-the-wall time comes around
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# [22:47] <RyanVM> i mean, I've managed to get inbound down to 0 unstarred failures for *2* days in a row now
# [22:47] <RyanVM> (at some point, anyway)
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# [22:47] <@khuey> then you'd be screwed
# [22:47] <RyanVM> khuey: but there's already someone newer than me on the a-team
# [22:47] <RyanVM> well, soon anyway
# [22:48] <jhammel> RyanVM: better hope it happens before the revolution! ;)
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# [22:48] <RyanVM> or before Mozilla announces their switch to Webkit, anyway
# [22:48] <jhammel> RyanVM: you haven't heard? ;)
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# [22:50] <RyanVM> jhammel: you know, they told me the web moves fast...
# [22:50] <jhammel> not just fast, RyanVM .... the web moves at the speed of light!
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# [22:52] <RyanVM> jhammel: thems are some pretty wide tubes
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# [22:55] <jesup> bsmedberg: ping
# [22:56] <RyanVM> tn: just triggered a bunch of extra android crashtest-3 runs on your push. We'll see how they go (NSS crashes not included :) )
# [22:56] <@bsmedberg> jesup: pong
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# [22:56] <jesup> bsmedberg: So, XPCOM shutdown....
# [22:56] <@khuey> RyanVM: i'm on vacation :-D
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# [22:56] <KWierso|Home> khuey: so you have plenty of time to look into it :)
# [22:56] <jesup> khuey: you should have gone where there's no net access again ;-)
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# [22:56] <RyanVM> khuey: EXCUSES EXCUSES
# [22:57] <@smaug> ++KWierso|Home
# [22:57] <tn> RyanVM, it's unlikely to fail the same way again. i fixed the test with a big hammer
# [22:57] <RyanVM> tn: heh, ok...
# [22:57] <@khuey> jesup: not much to do in Cardiff at 10 PM on a Wednesday other than go to a pub and get drunk
# [22:57] <@khuey> so I'm here
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# [22:58] <jesup> bsmedberg: I have a QTCaptureSession that's trying to proxy something to the main (mac/qt) runloop/thread when being released (they do it as part of thread safety), but in the GC during shutdown (before xpcom-shutdown) it appears the loop is already down
# [22:58] <JosiahOne> Who does UI review? I need to flag someone, but I'm not sure who.
# [22:58] <jesup> bsmedberg: what should I use to get access to kill all media captures before the runloop/whatever goes away?
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# [22:59] <jesup> JosiahOne: boriss for one
# [22:59] <@bsmedberg> jesup: before xpcom-shutdown all threads should be dispatchable https://wiki.mozilla.org/XPCOM_Shutdown
# [22:59] <@bsmedberg> whata's the symptom?
# [22:59] <jesup> khuey: and you're not in a pub why?
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# [22:59] <Boriss> JosiahOne: you can tag me for ui-r
# [22:59] <JosiahOne> Boriss: Alright, thanks.
# [22:59] <JosiahOne> Boriss: What's your email?
# [23:00] <Boriss> JosiahOne: jboriss@mozilla.com
# [23:00] <@khuey> jesup: did that yesterdayy :-D
# [23:00] <jesup> lockup trying to [_captureSession release] but only if we're shutting down; normall works well
# [23:00] <jesup> bsmedberg: ^
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# [23:00] <@bsmedberg> jesup: oh, this isn't an XPCOM event it's some mac thing?
# [23:00] <jesup> google searches found this is common if the main runloop isn't running
# [23:00] <@bsmedberg> the behavior of the native event loops is mostly mysterious
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# [23:00] <jesup> yes, mac/QT thing
# [23:00] <@bsmedberg> QT?
# [23:00] <jesup> QTCaptureSession
# [23:01] <jesup> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/QuickTime/Reference/QTCaptureSession_Class/Reference/Reference.html
# [23:01] <@bsmedberg> so let's try to solve your problem earlier ;-)
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# [23:01] <@bsmedberg> jesup: what normally triggers these things to stop?
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# [23:01] <jesup> bsmedberg: yes, my idea: release earlier before things get shut down
# [23:02] <JosiahOne> Boriss: Alright, it's bug 817074.
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# [23:02] <Boriss> thanks JosiahOne
# [23:02] <JosiahOne> Boriss: No, thank you.
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# [23:02] <jesup> Normally when you mediasstream.stop() or otherwise kill the window/tab and the MediaStream gets GC'd
# [23:03] <jesup> dom/media/MediaManager.h/cpp tells the engine to shut it down
# [23:03] <jesup> It has a list of all the active gum sessions, so it could kill them all
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# [23:03] <@bsmedberg> yeah
# [23:03] <@bsmedberg> that sounds like the right solution
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# [23:04] <jesup> So, the questions is what pulls the trigger
# [23:04] <@bsmedberg> the trigger for what?
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# [23:04] <@bsmedberg> the windows/tabs should be killed way before this
# [23:04] <jesup> I.e. xpcom-shutdown is already later than when the problem is
# [23:05] <jesup> Yes, they get killed, and then GC runs and we try to kill the stream(s) - and the runloop is already gone apparently
# [23:05] <jesup> probably when the window died
# [23:05] <jesup> windows
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# [23:06] <jesup> I can use profile-change maybe.... but will that cause other problems? (Callek might get annoyed, but maybe not as killing gUM at that point is probably good!)
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# [23:07] <Callek> jesup: huh?
# [23:07] <jesup> Luckily I mostly work on my desktop
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# [23:08] <Callek> jesup: maybe I'm missing the point, but why would I get annoyed?
# [23:08] <jesup> Callek: doesn't seamonkey still use the profile-change stuff?
# [23:08] <Callek> oooo, yea, it does
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# [23:08] <Callek> I think
# [23:08] * jesup wasn't really serious
# [23:08] <Callek> NeilAway: ^
# [23:08] <Callek> I thought you were referring to paid work with me this time
# [23:08] <jesup> and likely we should kill all gUM streams at profile-change anywyas
# [23:10] <jesup> bsmedberg: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=157725 is very similar to our stack (thread 25 in that), though they're starting a stream instead of killing it. I found other instances on stackoverflow, etc that all point to the thread-safety stuff in the QTKit stuff. Not that it matters other than making me pretty sure we just need to do it earlier
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# [23:11] <NeilAway> Callek: not as such, we just do a restart
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# [23:11] <NeilAway> jesup: you've got a number of choices starting at quit-application-granted, I think
# [23:12] <jviereck> is there a way to use the gold linker on OSX? Linking takes ages here :/
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# [23:12] <jesup> NeilAway: will we miss any if we use quit-application-granted?
# [23:13] <@bsmedberg> jesup: the window should go away at/before profile-before-change
# [23:13] <@bsmedberg> jesup: quit-application-granted isn't reliable, but this really doesn't sounds like your problem exactly
# [23:13] <@bsmedberg> docs shouldn't be living beyond profile-before-change
# [23:13] <NeilAway> jesup: well, as sheppy would say, get the lowdown here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Observer_Notifications#Application_shutdown
# [23:13] <jesup> bummer....
# [23:14] <sheppy> :)
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# [23:14] <jesup> Ah, I was looking at xpcom-shutdown doc.
# [23:14] <@bsmedberg> that page is such a piece of shit
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# [23:14] <@bsmedberg> don't look at it, it's wrong half the time
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# [23:15] <jesup> ah
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# [23:15] <jesup> maybe it should point to the above
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# [23:15] <jesup> at least an advisory
# [23:16] <jesup> So, if quit-application isn't safe... and profile-change may be too late..... what then?
# [23:16] <jesup> or is profile-change-net-teardown safe?
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# [23:17] <jesup> browser-lastwindow-close-granted looks interesting
# [23:17] <jesup> bsmedberg: ^
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# [23:18] <@bsmedberg> jesup: why would profile-before-change be too late?
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# [23:18] <@bsmedberg> no, browser-lastwindow are 1) Firefox-specific 2) not fired in all kinds of cases
# [23:18] <@bsmedberg> e.g. last window is the js console, etc
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# [23:19] <nrc> after I createElement and insertBefore, is there anything else I need to do to get the new element to appear?
# [23:19] <jesup> bsmedberg: you said "jesup: the window should go away at/before profile-before-change" - if it's before, I think I have a problem
# [23:19] <@bsmedberg> what's the problem?
# [23:19] <mbrubeck> nrc: generally no
# [23:19] <jesup> Since I'm assuming the last window takes the Mac event loop with it
# [23:19] <nrc> mbrubeck: thanks
# [23:20] <@bsmedberg> Why would you assume that?
# [23:20] * nrc wonders where his canvas has got to :-(
# [23:20] <jesup> No reason, other than assumptions based on OLD mac experience.
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# [23:20] <jesup> and that it's gone by GC time
# [23:21] <mbrubeck> Hmm. I failed the last time I tried to help someone on #developers wondering why they couldn't see a <canvas> after calling insertBefore.
# [23:21] <jesup> I certainly can try that; but I figured if the window is up the event loop *muist* be up
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# [23:21] <jesup> must even
# [23:21] <mattwoodrow> nrc: Check display list dumping and frame tree?
# [23:21] <mattwoodrow> if it's in the document then you should be able to find the nsHTMLCanvasFrame, and nsDisplayCanvas
# [23:22] <mwu> hm, quit-application-granted should be reliable, no? it's part of nsAppStartup::Quit
# [23:22] <nrc> mattwoodrow: I'm using unpatched FF, just trying to make a test page work, I don't think that will help until I get the JS right
# [23:23] <mayhemer> khuey: kyle, do you know whether pymake can be turned to some kind of DEBUG mode?
# [23:23] <@bsmedberg> mayhemer: what do you want out of it?
# [23:23] <@bsmedberg> there is certainly a -d flag
# [23:24] <mayhemer> bsmedberg: I'm trying to figure out bug 824004 that completely blocks me
# [23:24] <mayhemer> bsmedberg: pymake sometimes builds a build path in a wrong way
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# [23:25] <mayhemer> bsmedberg: and it is quite mysterous for me to how that happens, since it manifests even I delete (all) _obj dirs
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# [23:25] <jesup> bsmedberg: an alternative would be to watch inner/outer-window-destroyed and match against my windowID hash (right now we just watch onNavigation, and we block windows with active gUM from entering the bfcache)
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# [23:28] <@bsmedberg> jesup: so I guess what you need to figure out is "when is too late". If it's ::~nsAppShell then you're just racing for GC and any earlier point should be safe
# [23:28] <@bsmedberg> if it's that you can only call that function from within [NSApp run]
# [23:29] <@bsmedberg> then we've got a slightly more serious problem on our hands, because most of the reliable shutdown notifications happen after that point
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# [23:30] <jedp> who wrote mxr? i want to send them a belated xmas present in gratitude
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# [23:33] <IanN> i'm sure timeless was involved somewhere
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# [23:34] <jesup> bsmedberg: any good idea how to verify? something that's called after [NSApp run] I can hook to and see if it works? And this actually occurs on the MediaManager's thread
# [23:34] <timeless> jedp: i was involved in a lot of it
# [23:34] <timeless> we inherited it from the lxr people (long since gone)
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# [23:34] <timeless> endico and a few others did work on it before me
# [23:34] <jedp> timeless it is a glorious thing
# [23:34] <timeless> :)
# [23:34] <jedp> timeless what was the l in lxr?
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# [23:35] <RyanVM> jwir3: PING
# [23:35] <cpeterson> Linux?
# [23:35] <@bsmedberg> jesup: what's the stack of the main thread at the time of the hang?
# [23:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/404418d30f3f - Gregory Szorc - Bug 840177 - Part 4: Record search bar searches in Firefox Health Report; r=gavin
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# [23:36] <timeless> cpeterson: yes
# [23:37] <jesup> bsmedberg: 1 sec
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# [23:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1f765c27d9a4 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset a0db951f9f08 (bug 810726) for reftest asserts.
# [23:37] <jedp> ah, i remember lxr now- it's been a while
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# [23:39] <@dolske> lxr < mxr < dxr. somewhat. :)
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# [23:43] <jesup> bsmedberg: basically ~ScopedXPCOMStartup/nsXREDirProvider::DoShutdown/JS_GC/......
# [23:43] <KWierso|Home> hrm, does the Nightly stub installer not download the same nightly as the full installer would get you?
# [23:44] <KWierso|Home> I ran the stub installer just now, and it grabbed me the feb 11 nightly :|
# [23:44] <@bsmedberg> jesup: yeah so really reordering this isn't going to solve it
# [23:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/095782b51013 - Norbert Lindenberg - Bug 769872 - Add self-hosted JavaScript core of Intl constructors Collator, NumberFormat, DateTimeFormat (part 4). r=jwalden
# [23:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/53de36ab95d1 - Ting-Yuan Huang - Bug 715419 - Specializing Array.prototype.sort when given the comparator is "return arg1 - arg2". Patch includes some minor tweaks/comment adjustments from jwalden.
# [23:44] <firebot> r=luke, r=jwalden
# [23:45] <@bsmedberg> jesup: or actually... the main thread shouldn't be blocked at that point, should it?
# [23:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/38e92a7b5bf4 - Jeff Walden - Bug 835551 - Add a new header consolidating non-configure-generated #defines that we require in order to build. r=ted
# [23:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c06650ce0770 - Rico Tzschichholz - Bug 831552 - Install all SpiderMonkey headers when |make install| happens. The ones in INSTALLED_HEADERS have additional dependencies which must be copied into
# [23:45] <firebot> place as well for the whole thing to work correctly. r=jimb, r=ted
# [23:45] <jesup> bsmedberg: I don't think so, and I think it runs events later - but remember, these aren't our events
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# [23:46] <@bsmedberg> jesup: I'm confused about which thread is blocked and why, actually
# [23:47] <njn> tn: bug 784591 landed, cool :)
# [23:47] <tn> njn, hopefully it sticks this time :)
# [23:47] <njn> tn: what's the "fingers crossed" emoticon?
# [23:47] <@bsmedberg> jesup: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/CebEcdqgTA
# [23:48] <tn> njn, i'm sure there's an emojii for it somewhere
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# [23:49] <jesup> My assumption is nothing is servicing the mac QT event loop anymore. The MediaManager thread calls [QTCaptureSession release], which tries to proxy to the main QT thread I believe. Let me see what else I can capture. Those links I gave earlier are examples of this sort of problem
# [23:49] <jesup> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5703754/addinput-method-of-qtcapturesession-not-returning is similar
# [23:50] <jesup> I'll try to fill in info there
# [23:50] <jesup> in the etherpad
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# [23:57] <jesup> bsmedberg: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2136526
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# [23:59] <jesup> bsmedberg: also updated the etherpad with that
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