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# Session Start: Wed Feb 20 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <froydnj> hooray for ejpbruel!
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# [00:02] <sicking> evilpie: thanks!
# [00:02] <sicking> evilpie: definitely appreciate that you're doing the tests writing
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# [00:03] <dholbert> reopened tree
# [00:03] <dholbert> ejpbruel, thanks
# [00:04] <ejpbruel> dholbert: thank you. I'm so glad we have people like you watching out for mistakes like this
# [00:04] <dholbert> ejpbruel, anytime / thanks! :)
# [00:04] <jlebar> ehsan: ping?
# [00:04] <@ehsan> jlebar: hi
# [00:05] <jlebar> ehsan: hey. It looks like the git repo is not updating. :-/
# [00:05] <@ehsan> oh
# [00:05] <@ehsan> let me take a look
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# [00:08] <taras> gcp: shouldn't we delete the massive urlclassifier sqlite files?
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# [00:10] <gcp> taras: bug 723153
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# [00:15] <jlebar|away> jwatt: So...do you want to write the e-mail asking everyone to upgrade their hg, or should I?
# [00:15] <@ehsan> jlebar|away: corrupted hg repo again, I'm running the repair job right now
# [00:15] <@ehsan> jlebar|away: should be back up in less than half an hour
# [00:15] <jlebar|away> ehsan: thanks! There's also a new branch, b2g18_v1_0_1. Hopefully that's not a big deal to add; johns's repository has had it for a few days now.
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# [00:16] <jwatt> jlebar|away: hmm, where would be best?
# [00:16] <@ehsan> jlebar|away: will add that too, when the repair job is finished
# [00:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d7a598707128 - Richard Newman - Bug 842674 - Use correct constant for android.intent.action.EXTERNAL_APPLICATIONS_AVAILABLE. r=nalexander
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# [00:17] <johns> ehsan: Do you get random Hg corruption from doing a lot of hg-pull?
# [00:17] <johns> ehsan: Because I sure do :(
# [00:17] <@ehsan> johns: yeah, that's "normal" ;)
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# [00:18] <johns> ehsan: The solution is to get the current revision before pulling, then if it corrupts, do |hg revert -a && hg strip <rev+1>: --no-backup && hg up -C && hg purge --all|
# [00:18] <johns> ehsan: Or if you don't know what rev broke just subtract a few hundred from the current tip and strip them :-P
# [00:18] <@ehsan> johns: it happens so frequently that I wrote a script to fix it :) https://github.com/ehsan/mozilla-history-tools/blob/master/updates/fixup.sh
# [00:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b399e0488c09 - Dão Gottwald - Bug 838713 - Skip slow-startup check if startup was interrupted. r=jaws
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# [00:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc8e0ae5459d - Dão Gottwald - Bug 788584 - TabsProgressListener.onLocationChange should obey the LOCATION_CHANGE_SAME_DOCUMENT flag rather than null-checking aRequest. r=jaws
# [00:19] <johns> ehsan: The strip method is much faster
# [00:19] <@ehsan> johns: that's a bit scary for a mostly non-attended setup...
# [00:19] <@ehsan> that's true
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# [00:19] <@ehsan> but I prefer a start from scratch recovery approach...
# [00:19] <lsblakk> heycam: does attachment 715736 on bug 791244 now need the approval for uplift?
# [00:20] <heycam> lsblakk, oh, yes. thanks.
# [00:20] <johns> ehsan: Is there an upstream bug for this?
# [00:20] <johns> ehsan: You shouldn't be able to corrupt your repository by pulling a lot >:(
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# [00:20] <@ehsan> johns: I filed a bug, and they said that it's a problem with our hg setup, and then I filed an IT bug which didn't go anywhere
# [00:21] <kbrosnan> naveed: sent you three different dumps for the w8 crasher
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# [00:21] <kbrosnan> naveed: if you need other dumps I'll be around til 5 or so Pacific
# [00:21] <johns> ehsan: What's the bug #?
# [00:22] <@ehsan> hmm, let me see if I can find it
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# [00:23] <@ehsan> johns: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737865
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# [00:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71e84eb9db9f - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 841197 - Upgrading from to Metro browser when already default without cache does not show tile until reboot. r=jimm
# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/401b967b2dfc - John Ford - bug 839298 - fix json file creation for git users r=ted
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# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e023073f89e - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 842364 - Follow up 838343. r=bz
# [00:26] <gregglind> simplest path to toolbar button with multiple live click areas, a la http://cl.ly/image/1E2V3r0u361j
# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5a35db95c15f - Seth Fowler - Bug 839739 - Remove bad NS_ENSURE_STATE in imgRequestProxy::AdjustPriority. r=joe
# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/321ab9290c06 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
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# [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4682ed369545 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 841713 - Add objdir paths to virtualenv; r=ted
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# [00:27] <johns> ehsan: Haha I just looked and my mirror stopped updating because m-i is corrupt.
# [00:28] <philor> it's just a little misunderstood, it's not corrupt
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# [00:29] <jhammel> that's what John Gotty said
# [00:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/68359d79d869 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 842376 - Update HTMLImageElement's named constructor to use optional arguments; r=bzbarsky
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# [00:31] <taras> Honza: are you the localstorage honza?
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# [00:32] <taras> err nm, that's mayhemer
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# [00:32] <mayhemer> taras: yep, that's me :D
# [00:32] <taras> mayhemer: you should idle in #perrf
# [00:32] <taras> mayhemer: you should idle in #perf
# [00:32] <mayhemer> taras: ok
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# [00:33] <taras> mayhemer: we are discussing localstorage wal
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# [00:37] <ejpbruel> khuey: ping
# [00:38] <ejpbruel> ah, away
# [00:38] <ejpbruel> who can I ask questions about XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK?
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# [00:39] <jwatt> jlebar|away: sent an email to m.d.planning and m.d.platform
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# [00:41] <lsblakk> philor: so would you agree that bug 842772 would be on the star for those mochitest-5 suites and we could go ahead with a beta 1 once bug 791244 lands? unless bz can review that attachement quite soon, we really don't have time to hold the beta much longer
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# [00:41] <@dbaron> heycam, so is the beta test failures thing under control, or do you need review from me?
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# [00:42] <heycam> dbaron, if you could review bug 842772
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# [00:42] <heycam> dbaron, that's for the paint-order test failure
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# [00:42] <frozencemetery> masayuki: re: bug 751749, version 17esr. Mod1 on keycode 91. Most shortcuts are working, but not Meta-# to go to tab #. How do I make that work?
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# [00:45] <jlebar|away> jwatt++
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# [00:46] <heycam> lsblakk, looking at the M5 failures, there's one test unrelated to the paint-order fix: layout/style/test/test_condition_text.html
# [00:46] <@dbaron> heycam, is that @supports?
# [00:46] <heycam> dbaron, feels like it yes
# [00:47] <@dbaron> heycam, yeah, that should probably just bail if the feature isn't enabled
# [00:47] <heycam> dbaron, the test does have a pushPrevEnv to turn the pref on, but maybe I got that wrong
# [00:47] <heycam> ohh
# [00:47] <heycam> the css gets parsed before that pref is set
# [00:47] <@dbaron> heycam, ah... that's even better, I suppose
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# [00:50] <@dbaron> heycam, does moving the script before the style elemnt work?
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# [00:50] <heycam> dbaron, oh I wrote a patch already: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=842829
# [00:50] <@dbaron> heycam, good, thanks :-)
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# [00:51] <heycam> dbaron, I don't think moving the script before would have, since the pref would only be set within the running of that function
# [00:51] <heycam> test fixes don't need a= for landing on beta do they
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# [00:54] <heycam> dbaron, I didn't understand your comment in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=842772
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# [00:54] <heycam> dbaron, the test doesn't pass, you are right -- it fails with a "mask-type listed in gCSSProperties" error
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# [00:54] <heycam> dbaron, but I'm not sure what from the other file you linked to would help with that
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# [00:55] <@dbaron> heycam, we probably need to output the pref in the file that ListCSSProperties generates
# [00:55] <@dbaron> heycam, so that test_property_database can use it
# [00:55] <@dbaron> heycam, the patch I linked to is probably halfway towards doing that
# [00:55] <@dbaron> heycam, though there might be other solutions too
# [00:55] <@dbaron> heycam, it's just what I thought of in 30 seconds
# [00:55] <heycam> dbaron, oh, hmm.
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# [00:57] <heycam> dbaron, ideally we would not list any properties which are preffed off
# [00:58] <heycam> dbaron, but I'm not sure how to do that automatically within ListCSSProperties, and not just by listing each pref in there
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# [01:00] <@dbaron> heycam, if ListCSSProperties listed the pref, test_property_database could then get the pref and count it as not listed if the pref is disabled
# [01:00] <heycam> dbaron, ah yes.
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# [01:03] <mmc> hi, i need help debugging an xpcshelltest bustage
# [01:03] <mmc> orange on m-i: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=f24c22852083
# [01:03] <mmc> green on try: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e3f8a8158bc5
# [01:03] <mmc> also green on try last friday: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f21274b5b4d8
# [01:03] <mmc> is there any reason m-i would build/test differently than try?
# [01:04] <mmc> (this is the change that karl backed out for me)
# [01:04] <@ehsan> jlebar|away: repo updated, and added the b2g18_0_1 branch too
# [01:04] <jlebar|away> ehsan++
# [01:04] <jlebar|away> thanks
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# [01:04] <mmc> also i can't repro locally
# [01:04] <mmc> on any platform
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# [01:07] <mmc> doesn't seem it could be a random orange, if it broke on m-i on all platforms in the same way
# [01:07] <billm> bsmedberg: ping
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# [01:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83db4b776451 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 840480 r=roc
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# [01:19] <karl> mmc: could be a conflict with something that has landed on mozilla-inbound, but is not on mozilla-central yet, perhaps
# [01:20] <karl> mmc: try updating to a revision that failed on inbound, committing a no-op try syntax changeset on that and pushing to try
# [01:21] <heycam> dbaron, ok, I got that ListCSSProperties stuff working; new patch up
# [01:21] <mmc> thanks karl
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# [01:23] <lsblakk> heycam++
# [01:24] <lsblakk> (and dbaron++ too)
# [01:25] <@dbaron> lsblakk, yeah, sorry this migration was a little rough... we now have a mechanism for not forgetting to disable features when we move to beta, by automatically disabling them when we move to beta. Which is great (in terms of not forgetting)... but we'll need to figure out how to reduce the risk of test failures.
# [01:25] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: anything in particular about XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK?
# [01:25] <@dbaron> lsblakk, the answer might be "do a test run as though it's beta a few days in advance so we can fix things beforehand"
# [01:25] <lsblakk> dbaron: do a test run on which part?
# [01:25] <ejpbruel> NeilAway: it seems to be a problem on releng side. never mind for now
# [01:26] <lsblakk> dbaron: as in, on mozilla-aurora repo?
# [01:26] <@dbaron> lsblakk, basically take an aurora tree and do a build with tests with the channel set to beta (could even be done with a try push)
# [01:26] <@dbaron> lsblakk, and see what fails, and fix it before merge day
# [01:26] <lsblakk> dbaron: i like that idea - will file a bug to see if releng could help automate that
# [01:27] <lsblakk> i don't know that try would get us what we want to know there
# [01:27] <@dbaron> lsblakk, we might also be less likely to make the same mistakes after being burned by them
# [01:27] <lsblakk> since it's based on m-c tests
# [01:27] <@dbaron> lsblakk, it can be done with the mozconfig overrides
# [01:27] <lsblakk> ah, ok then
# [01:28] <lsblakk> but still - would be awesome if a test run happened automatically the thursday before monday merge days
# [01:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/00409be5072b - Cameron McCormack - Bug 842772 - Don't test for mask-type when the pref is disabled. r=dbaron a=test-only
# [01:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/58ba8dc9013a - Cameron McCormack - Bug 842829 - Fix test_condition_text.html to parse the style sheet after the pref is set. r=dbaron a=test-only
# [01:29] <philor> uh oh, I better hurry up and get my one green Android ts, before I have to move on to a new beta build
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# [01:30] <@dbaron> lsblakk, it could probably even be way earlier in the cycle... the trick is remembering to look at it :-)
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# [01:30] <lsblakk> dbaron: indeed - i will factor in a "mail release-mgmt & release with results"
# [01:31] <NeilAway> does anyone use the weak parameter to nsIMutableArray?
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# [01:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b97e7f224211 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 842829 - Fix test_condition_text.html to parse the style sheet after the pref is set. r=dbaron
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# [02:04] <philor> aww, all the sheriffs who aren't at their day job are gone, that's not going to go well for people's ability to continue to pile on that b2g total bustage, is it?
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# [02:05] <philor> is it karl, or did we just not run any for several hours below him?
# [02:05] <mbrubeck> I guess I'm looking at karl?
# [02:06] <mbrubeck> we have some green two pushes down
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# [02:06] <mbrubeck> with only a jetpack checkin between
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# [02:07] <philor> yep
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# [02:08] <philor> good thing their tests don't actually test anything other than "does the test suite start up?" considering how rarely we run any particular test
# [02:08] <philor> well, marionette-webapi does also test "does the test suite time out in every single test eventually if you run it often enough?"
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# [02:11] <mbrubeck> My backout muscles are a bit atrophied... let's see if I did that right.
# [02:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8c8d9373eba - Matt Brubeck - Back out dd103ec4c44b through fba3a342a530 because of B2G test failures on a CLOSED TREE
# [02:12] <@bsmedberg> billm: were you pinging about bug 830531?
# [02:12] <billm> bsmedberg: yes
# [02:13] <@bsmedberg> billm: loading the disassembly into VS
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# [02:13] <billm> bsmedberg: nothing in particular. just hoping you could take a look at it. thanks.
# [02:13] <@bsmedberg> the thing about the breakpad thread is irrelevant, it's pretty normal
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# [02:14] <billm> bsmedberg: really? it sounds like the minidump is still corrupted somehow.
# [02:14] <@bsmedberg> billm: why?
# [02:15] <billm> bsmedberg: dvander said he couldn't load it in VS
# [02:15] <@bsmedberg> I can
# [02:15] <dvander> i can load it in VS, but the callstack for thread 0 wouldn't load
# [02:15] <dvander> and had no information i.e. registers
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# [02:15] <dvander> it does load in windbg but the information suggests some kind of corruption.
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# [02:16] <dvander> bsmedberg, ^
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# [02:16] <@bsmedberg> I have one loaded in VS with something that approaches a reasonable stack
# [02:16] <@bsmedberg> pulling the correct sources now
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# [02:16] <dvander> bsmedberg, do you see breakpad in the second thread?
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# [02:16] * @bsmedberg is rather sad that it takes longer to tar -xjf the source tarball than it does to download it
# [02:17] <@bsmedberg> dvander: I'm waiting on sources, but I'd expect to
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# [02:17] <@bsmedberg> breakpad should always be the second thread
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# [02:17] <dvander> hrm ok, ive never seen that before
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# [02:19] <@bsmedberg> billm/dvander: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2159621 is the _NewResolve frame, so we appear to be in nsXPConnect::GetXpconnect
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# [02:24] <dvander> bsmedberg, do you see the same thing i saw in windbg? crashing eip is bogus, somewhere random inside GetTlsValue?
# [02:25] <@bsmedberg> dvander: I don't know which one you loaded, I don't think mine is in GetTlsValue
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# [02:25] <@bsmedberg> I pulled https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/d1805cc2-9606-4def-8ecb-64ec92130219
# [02:25] <@bsmedberg> but it's pretty clear that we're jumping to random memory, the crashes are all over the place
# [02:25] <dvander> bsmedberg, i see.
# [02:25] <@bsmedberg> see the "Address" column at https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?signature=XPC_WN_Helper_NewResolve (the Reports tab)
# [02:25] <dvander> bsmedberg,that line with the asterisk is the faulting eip?
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# [02:25] <@bsmedberg> no, that's the calling frame
# [02:26] <@bsmedberg> the dump finder says that we got into nsXPConnect::GetXPConnect()
# [02:27] <dvander> i wonder what would happen if we turned PGO off for XPC_WN_Helper_NewResolve...
# [02:27] <@bsmedberg> and we're at this line http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/file/20238b786063/js/xpconnect/src/nsXPConnect.cpp#l139
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# [02:27] <bent> sewardj, ping
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# [02:28] <mrbkap> bent: I think it's ~1am where he is.
# [02:28] <bent> mrbkap, i hear excuses, not answers
# [02:28] <bent> :)
# [02:29] <mrbkap> bent: apparently, it's 2:30am.
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# [02:30] <mrbkap> bent: we might have a way to track down that memory corruption bug, btw.
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# [02:30] <bent> oh yeah?
# [02:30] <bent> what's that?
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# [02:30] <mrbkap> bent: valgrind has a thing where we can mark memory as "shouldn't change after this point"
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# [02:30] <bent> oh fun, you're trying valgrind too
# [02:30] <@bsmedberg> dvander: I doubt there's a problem there
# [02:31] <bent> i can't make it work
# [02:31] <@bsmedberg> dvander: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2159627
# [02:31] <mrbkap> bent: what happens when you try it?
# [02:31] <mrbkap> bent: also, are you going to be in the office tomorrow?
# [02:31] <bent> Assertion failure: stubsGenerated < MAX_PIC_STUBS, at /home/bent/src/mozilla/b2g-desktop/js/src/methodjit/PolyIC.cpp:2238
# [02:31] <bent> on startup
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# [02:31] <bent> yeah, i'm in the office tomorrow
# [02:32] <dvander> bsmedberg, i see. ok, thanks for the info
# [02:32] <dvander> bsmedberg, so it seems unlikely breakpad has any involvement here.
# [02:32] <@bsmedberg> no, and it really looks like either GetXPConnect is miscompiled (seems unlikely)
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# [02:33] <dvander> actually i think blaming PGO is a probability just from the number of times that has worked int he past
# [02:33] <@bsmedberg> or there's memory corruption in the code page there
# [02:33] <dvander> PGO miscompiles stuff all the time
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# [02:33] <dvander> so we could just try disabling it there and seeing what happens...
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# [02:34] <@bsmedberg> I really really don't think that's it.
# [02:34] <@bsmedberg> let me disassemble xul.dll quick
# [02:34] <dvander> that particular function is not PGO'd but one of its callees is and maybe its caller is
# [02:35] <@bsmedberg> do we have somebody who can reproduce this one?
# [02:35] <dvander> not yet :(
# [02:35] <@bsmedberg> it really feels a lot like the other memory corruption bugs from bug 772330
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# [02:35] <dvander> bsmedberg, ah - interesting. how could we correlate it to that?
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# [02:36] <@bsmedberg> I'm trying to remember what DLLs might have been related
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# [02:51] <gwagner> bent: did you try the desktop build or on the device?
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# [02:51] <bent> desktop
# [02:51] <bent> haven't tried device yet... that just makes me bored thinking about it
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# [02:53] <gwagner> bent: heh yeah looked into it today as well.
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# [02:53] <gwagner> bent: it's similar to android so it should work.
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# [02:53] <bent> gwagner, the desktop build should work too... and look at the fun i'm having :)
# [02:54] <gwagner> bent: way too much fun
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# [03:22] <philor> oops
# [03:22] <philor> mbrubeck: be sure not to back out karl's backout of the bustage that he backed out so he could land :)
# [03:23] <philor> or did it land again busted again?
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# [03:29] <daleharvey> any other peers for specialpowers api stuff around? it looks like ted is busy, been trying to get this landed for like 2 weeks now https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826058
# [03:29] <philor> bonus fun, b2g isn't actually fixed by the backout either
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# [03:37] <mbrubeck> philor: I didn't back out the backout
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# [03:37] <mbrubeck> at least
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# [03:38] <@bz> Do we have JS-implemented stuff hanging off Navigator?
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# [03:41] <philor> mbrubeck: I feel the need, the need to clobber the tree and rebuild every platform on your backout
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# [03:41] <mrbkap> bz: yes
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# [03:41] <mrbkap> bz: For b2g, at the very least navigator.mozWifiManager.
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# [03:41] <mrbkap> bz: I don't know if any of it is available on desktop, though.
# [03:42] <philor> and then to clobber again, and trigger a b2g build and clobber again and trigger a b2g build etc. on every thing that landed since 10:19am
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# [03:42] <@bz> mrbkap: it doesn't need to be available; I just need to see the code
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# [03:44] <mrbkap> bz: there's not much to see -- http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/wifi/DOMWifiManager.manifest#4 is the hook-up point.
# [03:44] <mrbkap> bz: The rest is simply XPCOM goop.
# [03:45] <@bz> yes
# [03:45] <@bz> but that's the part I want to see
# [03:45] <mrbkap> bz: which?
# [03:45] <@bz> so I can figure out the right way to replace it with WebIDL goop. ;)
# [03:45] <@bz> mrbkap: the XPCOM goop.
# [03:45] <@bz> mrbkap: looks like all our JS-implemented stuff is just hooked in by contract, then
# [03:45] <mrbkap> bz: Yes.
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# [03:46] <@bz> mrbkap: both for the navigator case and the global constructor case
# [03:46] <mrbkap> bz: That's sort of my point -- there's nothing special to hook any of this up.
# [03:46] <@bz> well
# [03:46] <@bz> There will need to be
# [03:46] <@bz> When we stop using XPConnect for it
# [03:46] <@bz> Or rather...
# [03:46] <@bz> We'll have to do _something_ to make it work
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# [03:46] <mrbkap> bz: except http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsDOMClassInfo.cpp#6582 which is where we create the wrappedjs.
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# [03:47] <@bz> mrbkap: there will be no wrappedjs
# [03:48] <@bz> mrbkap: or rather only a transient one
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# [03:48] <mrbkap> bz: Right.
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# [03:57] <@bz> Ah, yet another reason to never ever rebase...
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# [03:59] <dholbert> bz, quick question, if you have a minute
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# [04:00] <@bz> dholbert: sure
# [04:00] <dholbert> bz, so in the nsSVGElement.cpp change in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=715582&action=diff , jwatt's basically trying to trigger the same invalidation that we'd get if we'd had an actual attribute-change , by constructing the same change hint that we'd construct, and passing it to nsLayoutUtils::PostRestyleEvent
# [04:00] <dholbert> bz, my question is: Would it be appropriate to use PresShell::AttributeChanged instead?
# [04:00] * @bz looks
# [04:01] <dholbert> bz, he said he'd thought that too, but he thinks he asked you about that at one point and you'd suggested that might be bad if the actual attribute isn't actually changing
# [04:01] <@bz> So AttributeChanged would do more work
# [04:02] <dholbert> (I notice that nsNodeUtils::AttributeChanged is a wrapper for that -- I imagine that might (?) be wrong, because that notifies attribute-observers, whereas we basically just want the restyle events)
# [04:02] <dholbert> (that might be wrong = the nsNodeUtils one)
# [04:02] <@bz> right
# [04:02] <@bz> I mean...
# [04:02] <@bz> Calling just PresShell::AttributeChanged would probably work too
# [04:02] <@bz> It'd just do a bunch of extra work
# [04:02] <@bz> Which we know is not needed here.
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# [04:04] <dholbert> ok
# [04:04] <dholbert> true
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# [04:07] <@bz> dholbert: Are we done? ;)
# [04:07] <@bz> dholbert: if so, going to disappear.
# [04:07] <dholbert> bz, yes. thanks! :)
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# [04:40] <philor> Mossop_away: so, have you discovered a way to hide things in a push from hgweb, so you can stealth-break b2g with a push that touches only addon-sdk/?
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# [04:41] <Unfocused> heh...
# [04:42] <philor> great, clobbered away the totally senseless xpcshell, that only leaves the beyond ridiculous fact that touching addon-sdk/ broke b2g
# [04:42] * Unfocused knows how to do the same with an addons manager patch :P
# [04:44] <Unfocused> (er, or i did at one stage... things may have changed since then - b2g used to only use the addons manager for automated tests)
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# [04:46] <philor> well, didn't someone say that their build system is make written in JS?
# [04:46] <philor> maybe they switched it over to make written with the in-tree jetpack in the last few days
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# [04:47] <philor> I really don't want to back that out
# [04:47] <philor> I've done some incredibly stupid blind pigheaded backouts in my day, but that?
# [04:48] <Unfocused> sounds like a challenge ;)
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# [04:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1c3fed103251 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out a104642698a0 (bug 842762) for b2g test bustage
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# [04:57] <ewong> so by quantum rules.. addon-sdk breaks b2g..
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# [05:06] <philor> I'm really starting to get bored with filing dom/workers/test/test_xhr_timeout.html bugs, I hope we're close to having one on every single is() in the test
# [05:06] <philor> also, I hope we don't actually use workers for anything
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# [05:21] <nbp> Is the try chooser updated, because https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=d200301c3087 does not check android at all ?!
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# [05:23] <philor> nbp: android-armv6 is unlikely to be what you wanted, plain "android" is the normal android build
# [05:24] <nbp> philor: do you know if there is a way to trigger it online or I should do another push ?
# [05:24] <philor> doesn't explain why we didn't build it, though
# [05:24] <philor> nbp: another push, sorry
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# [05:28] <philor> Callek: got any quick offhand idea why https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=d200301c3087 didn't build android-armv6, or should I "Tom Sawyer whitewashing the fence" him into filing on it?
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# [05:51] <surkov> gps: ping
# [05:51] <gps> surkov: pong
# [05:51] <surkov> gps, a couple questions, how to run a single test in mochitest-a11y
# [05:52] <gps> surkov: ./mach mochitest-a11y path/to/test.js
# [05:52] <surkov> gps, yeah what is path/to/test.js?
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# [05:53] <gps> tab-complete the filename in your sell. e.g. browser/base/content/test_foo.js
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# [05:54] <surkov> gps, it doesn't work for me, for example the path is "accessible/tests/mochitests/relations/test_general.html"
# [05:54] <surkov> it open the window but no tests
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# [05:55] <gps> so it does :/ hmmm
# [05:56] <surkov> gps, and second question, how can I make incremental build, previously I did: cd accessible; make; cd ../tookit/libarary; make
# [05:56] <surkov> ./mach invoked in same directories doesn't seem work
# [05:56] <gps> I have a patch up to refactor mach + mochitest integration in bug 818819. I wonder if that works...
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# [05:56] <gps> ./mach build accessible toolkit/library
# [05:57] <gps> invoking from from cwd != topsrcdir is a bit fragile at the moment
# [05:57] <gps> err, invoking mach from cwd
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# [05:57] <surkov> what is cwn?
# [05:57] <surkov> cwd
# [05:57] <gps> current working directory
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# [05:57] <surkov> gps, I'll wait for that bug 818819 landed and will try again
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# [05:58] <surkov> I think I always did from top level directory
# [05:58] <surkov> btw, gps, is there autorun/not autorun option for mochitests?
# [05:58] <gps> that option will be added in bug 818819
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# [05:59] <surkov> ok, cool
# [05:59] <surkov> thanks!
# [05:59] <gps> the mochitest integration in m-c is currently rather hacky. that bug makes it much better
# [06:00] <surkov> one more question, gps, is there an analogue for "make distclean" in mach, last night "mach build" didn't make the work for changed some idl files
# [06:01] <gps> there isn't a distclean. but there is a |mach clobber| (which is almost the same thing)
# [06:01] <gps> if you are doing a distclean, you might as well do a clobber. there isn't much difference
# [06:02] <surkov> ok, cool, thank you
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# [06:03] <Unfocused> gps: speaking of which, any ETA on the settings stuff for mach? I have a couple of things in mind that would use that
# [06:04] <karl> if i mark my own repositories as phases public = False, will that work around https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725362
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# [06:05] <karl> (problems with newer hg and try)
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# [06:12] <gps> Unfocused: not really :/ the code is kinda/sorta there. need to figure out the relationship between mozconfig and mach config first
# [06:13] <gps> there is likely a dev-platform post involved or something
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# [06:20] <Unfocused> gps: ok :) and yea, I had wondered about that after looking at the mach code
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# [06:21] <philor> karl: you aren't doing b2g on try on your backed out stuff, are you?
# [06:22] <karl> i did -p all -b d
# [06:23] <philor> I'm relanding it in a second, sorry, you weren't at fault
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# [06:25] <karl> philor: oh, i understand your question now, thanks very much
# [06:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2a0579d3246f - Karl Tomlinson - b=842468 include border in scrollbar track min size r=roc
# [06:25] <karl> i wasn't doing a try run; i suspected something else
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# [06:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e128eb0c20c - Karl Tomlinson - b=842468 use scrollbar pref thickness instead of min for resizer size r=roc
# [06:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e368c01440e - Karl Tomlinson - b=609784 rename DBus Notifications nsAlertsService to resolve collision with XP service r=roc
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# [06:28] <philor> wonder whether I should reland the thing you backed out, since it was probably just needs-clobber...
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# [06:30] <karl> mmc might be keen to hear that
# [06:31] <karl> xpcshell tests needing a clobber sounded odd, then i read philor's comment
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# [06:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/caf862ef5cf2 - Karl Tomlinson - b=623380 destroy XtClient child window on unrealize r=stransky
# [06:34] <philor> firey, have you been getting into the Quaaludes again?
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# [06:36] <DGMurdockIII> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1534511-will-danica-patricks-daytona-500-pole-change-her-perception-around-nascar
# [06:36] <philor> hmm, when landing someone else's patch that needs-clobber, does one touch CLOBBER under their name, or in a separate cset leaving bisecting even more broken than it usually is?
# [06:36] <DGMurdockIII> dose anyone have a problem on that site
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# [06:36] <DGMurdockIII> when going from next image to image
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# [06:37] <Jesse> philor: touch clobber under their name
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# [06:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/49a583310573 - Monica Chew - Bug 829832 - NEEDS CLOBBER - Compute SHA256 hash on saving files in BackgroundFileSaver. (r=paolo,cviecco,sr=biesi)
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# [06:42] <Jesse> what does "NEEDS CLOBBER" in the commit message do?
# [06:43] <Jesse> would forgetting to rev an iid cause a clobber to be needed? because http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/49a583310573#l2.1
# [06:44] <philor> Jesse: when it happens to wind up near the top of a merge to m-c, and someone is then merging from m-c, it gives them a slight chance of seeing that they need to clobber before they burn half their merge
# [06:45] <Jesse> ahh, so it's a human workaround for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837323
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# [06:45] <philor> or the not-a-duplicate of it, which could have just been done without arguing or futzing around for years
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# [06:51] <BenWa> nrc: \o/
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# [06:55] <biesi> huh, why does that one need clobber?
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# [06:57] <philor> a question I'd love to see answered
# [06:57] <DGMurdockIII> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1534511-will-danica-patricks-daytona-500-pole-change-her-perception-around-nascar
# [06:57] <DGMurdockIII> when going from next image to image
# [06:57] <DGMurdockIII> dose anyone have a problem on that site
# [07:00] <jlebar|away> jwatt: Is your mail to the newsgroups pending moderation or something weird like that?
# [07:00] <jlebar|away> jwatt: Huh; I see it in Google Groups.
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# [07:03] <jlebar|away> weird
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# [07:03] <mmc|laptop> philor, i don't understand the need clobber comment, but thank you for trying to land it again
# [07:04] <mmc|laptop> i also don't understand jesse's comment following yours: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829832#c90
# [07:04] <mmc|laptop> i swear i have touched an idl without manually tweaking ids before
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# [07:05] <philor> there are things you can do without needing to change iids, and things you can't, and my inability to remember which is which is one reason I avoid them
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# [07:07] <Jesse> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPIDL#Interfaces says it's any change to the interface or its ancestors. but what i hear more often is "if the list of methods, or their argument lists, changes" (because that affects binary compatibility)
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# [07:07] <philor> needing a clobber is something that doesn't build properly on top of an existing objdir, so you have to use https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/clobberer/?branch=mozilla-inbound to tell the automation to remove all the build slaves' objdirs, and change http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/CLOBBER to tell individuals that they need to remove theirs
# [07:09] <mmc|laptop> jesse, would the build fail on try if i forgot to change the idl iid?
# [07:09] <Jesse> https://blog.mozilla.org/sfink/2011/03/02/updating-uuids/ says “if you modify the vtable, or change an interface used in a method in such a way that it might break a user"
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# [07:11] <mmc|laptop> so from reading that blog, it seems that if you change an interface in a backwards-compatible way, you should not have to change the iid
# [07:11] <mmc|laptop> because no old callers will break, because of adding a new method
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# [07:11] <mmc|laptop> not that that's a great practice
# [07:11] <Jesse> that only applies if your new method is at the end of the list (yay vtables)
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# [07:12] <karl> even if it is backwards compatible, i wonder whether a new iid is useful to detect the new method or behavior
# [07:12] <mmc|laptop> i see
# [07:13] <mmc|laptop> probably so
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# [07:13] <mmc|laptop> although the interface itself is pretty young (from december 2012)
# [07:13] <mmc|laptop> and there aren't too many callers of it yet, and none of the new method
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# [07:19] <mmc|laptop> the first patch in that bug moved a build dependency (https://bug829832.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=701983) so netwerk could rely on nss
# [07:19] <mmc|laptop> i wonder if that move was incorrect and the clobber problem did not show up until now
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# [07:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/462b9501603d - Gina Yeh - Bug 842471 - Invalid value type in BluetoothDevicePropertiesRunnable(), r=echou
# [07:23] <mmc|laptop> time to go, will check back in the morning
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# [07:44] <Mavericks> Does anyone here think using http://www.mailboxapp.com/ would make it easier to go through your bugmail ?
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# [07:50] <glob> Mavericks, nope :)
# [07:51] <Mavericks> i see . thanks glob
# [07:51] <glob> hehe :)
# [07:51] <glob> i use a lot of filters on my desktop email client to help me manage my bugmail
# [07:52] <glob> eg. stuff which i'm CC'd on goes into a different folder than stuff which i'm the assignee
# [07:52] <Mavericks> aah makes sense. probably important to do
# [07:53] <glob> as long as you aren't using gmail, it's trivial to do
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# [07:53] <glob> bugzilla includes lots of additional headers
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# [07:57] <Mavericks> interesting to hear "as long as you aren't using gmail, it's trivial to do" - didn't know that
# [07:57] <glob> gmail's filters only look at the message content -- you can't tell it to use the x-bugzilla-* headers
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# [07:57] <gaston> oh really ? was pretty sure i had filters on headers there
# [07:58] <Mavericks> 've lot more to know of bugzilla then
# [07:58] <gaston> or maybe it only allows the "standard" headers
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# [07:58] <glob> gaston, yes, sorry, only a few 'standard' headers
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# [07:59] <gaston> there's the mail, and then there's the mail by gmail..
# [07:59] <glob> gmail also ignores completely the threading headers
# [07:59] <glob> \o/
# [07:59] <glob> ps. i hate you gmail.
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# [08:01] <glob> i use zimbra's filters, then various imap clients (mostly postbox)
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# [08:05] <@dbaron> why are all the mailing list posts from this morning coming through now?
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# [08:12] <philor> because we need to know that merge day finished 12 hours ago!
# [08:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c9840572966b - Josh Matthews - Bug 832232 - Protect against missing geolocation services during shutdown. r=dougt
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# [08:15] <ewong> just wondering.. is there a 'set' policy on doing 'r=bustagefix'?
# [08:17] <philor> no, it's made up by people who don't realize that there's absolutely nothing that enforces r= in commit messages
# [08:18] <philor> or, more rarely, people who believe that the Commit Fairy checks every commit message to be sure it was properly reviewed by a peer and superreviewed if it touched APIs, and they want to tell the Commit Fairy why they aren't naming a reviewer
# [08:22] <philor> or I guess it might be that current usage is handed down cargo culting dating back to when review was first implemented, when there probably were Review Demons that would descend on you shrieking when you pushed something without review
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# [08:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1bcc3c56b011 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 840179: Add parens in asserted condition in txExecutionState.cpp, to fix gcc build warning. r=sicking
# [08:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9811bb0806fc - Daniel Holbert - Bug 842886: Initialize & compare size_t variables to SIZE_MAX instead of -1 in Debugger.cpp. r=ejpbruel
# [08:25] <@dbaron> It's more traditional to use r=lumpy anyway.
# [08:27] <@dbaron> er, sorry, r=jack, sr=lumpy
# [08:27] <philor> no sparky?
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# [08:27] <@dbaron> (Jack and Lumpy were Chris Waterson's dogs.)
# [08:28] <@dbaron> Sparky (chofmann's dog) wasn't as good a reviewer.
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# [08:33] <ewong> philor, thanks.. I'm now waiting for the Commit Fairy to ban me.. ;P
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# [09:31] <avih> hi, what might cause link errors on xul.dll (windows) with missing symbols: _CLSID_CMP3DecMediaObject and _CLSID_CMSH264DecoderMFT ? I had --disable-webrtc, then i commentd it out, and i still get the same missing symbols
# [09:32] <avih> and i updated 2 m-c revisions ago
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# [09:33] <ewong> avih you're building c-c, right?
# [09:33] <avih> m-c
# [09:33] <ewong> hmm
# [09:34] <avih> i initially thought it was part of webrtc with not fully ifdefed out, so i reenabled webrtc, but still doesn't work :/
# [09:34] <ewong> avih when you mean you' commented it out'.. and you still get the same missing symbols.. is that after you clobbered?
# [09:35] <avih> yes, not i don't have --disable-webrtc anymore, i clobbered, them mach build, and the same result
# [09:35] <avih> not i -> now i
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# [09:35] <avih> pardon the typos, just opened my eyes :)
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# [09:36] <ewong> 'sok.. sorry.. don't know what the problem is.. I had the same problem when building c-c on windows..
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# [09:36] <avih> ewong: and what was the solution?
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# [09:37] <ewong> avih https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/945662d34d67
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# [09:38] <avih> ewong: is that the solution? or an offending patch?
# [09:38] <ewong> solution
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# [09:38] <ewong> dunno how that translates to m-c though..
# [09:39] <avih> i see. well, thanks for the pointer, i'll give it a go.
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# [09:40] <avih> ewong: this patch is itself a bustage fix...
# [09:41] <ewong> avih it fixes my windows box locally..
# [09:42] <ewong> oh fuzzbuckets
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# [09:45] <avih> hnn.. none of the confvars.sh files at m-c has MOZ_WEBRTC ...
# [09:46] <avih> that sucks.. i can't build m-c..
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# [09:46] <ewong> avih that might not even be the right fix.. :(
# [09:47] <avih> true
# [09:47] <ewong> unless TB-Trunk is actually doubly broken
# [09:47] <avih> well, it confirms my hunch it was related to webrtc...
# [09:47] <avih> not that it helps much.. :)
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# [10:29] <avih> hmm.. i've reverted to the aurora base cset, and i'm getting a single unresolved symbol, different than the previous two... vp8_impl.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _vpx_codec_vp8_cx
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# [10:32] <padenot> avih: this symbol is not present in the codebase
# [10:33] <avih> padenot: you mean literally? or prior to names mangling?
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# [10:33] <RyanVM> gfritzsche: let me know when you want to do the backout on beta and I'll hide the tests
# [10:34] <padenot> I mean, it should probably be in layout/media/symbols.def.in, but is not, and I can't find it in the codebase
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# [10:34] <gfritzsche> RyanVM: ok, will do
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# [10:37] <ewong> padenot so where's the problem? I'm seeing this in Thunderbird-Trunk's Windows Opt build
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# [10:37] <ewong> I'm not familiar with the codebase
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# [10:39] <padenot> ewong: I'm looking
# [10:39] <ewong> padenot: thanks!
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# [10:40] <heycam> firebot, please remember the following
# [10:40] <padenot> ewong: try to add vpx_codec_vp8_cx in layout/media/symbols.def.in, right below vpx_codec_vpx_dx
# [10:40] <firebot> heycam: Sorry, I've no idea what 'please remember the following' might be.
# [10:40] <heycam> on pto, back on 24 march
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# [10:41] <NeilAway> firebot: heycam?
# [10:41] <firebot> NeilAway: Sorry, I've no idea what 'heycam' might be.
# [10:41] <NeilAway> firebot: heycam is on pto, back on 24 march
# [10:41] <firebot> NeilAway: ok
# [10:41] <NeilAway> firebot: ta
# [10:41] <firebot> NeilAway: no problem!
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# [10:49] <avih> padenot: the missing vpx_codec_vp8_cx symbol on aurora bse cset, and was my 2nd problem. the first was that m-c updated few hours ago failed with 2 missing symbols: _CLSID_CMP3DecMediaObject and _CLSID_CMSH264DecoderMFT, regardless if i used or didn't use --disable-webrtc. i've now reverted to a cset from 3 days ago, and rebuilding again.
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# [10:50] <ewong> why isn't m-c burning? I don't understand...
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# [10:50] <avih> dunno. possibly a local bust, but i can't see where could it come from...
# [10:51] <avih> i had few local patches applied, but none of them is related.
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# [10:53] <padenot> avih: this comes from the new WMF backend
# [10:53] <padenot> avih: what version of Windows are you using?
# [10:54] <avih> padenot: windows 7 premium 64
# [10:54] <avih> er.. home premium
# [10:54] <avih> padenot: and fully updated
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# [10:56] <ewong> I'm on a Windows Vista
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# [10:59] <padenot> avih, ewong: I'm writing a little patch that should address that, one moment
# [10:59] <ewong> thanks padenot!
# [10:59] <padenot> also, for some reason it build just fine here
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# [11:00] <avih> padenot: ewong experienced the 2 missing symbols issue on c-c, and this patch fixed it: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/945662d34d67 . i've now reverted to an earlier build of m-c and still building...
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# [11:01] <padenot> avih, ewong: could you search wmcodecdsp.h in your machine and pastebin it so I can have a look?
# [11:02] <avih> padenot: where is it likely to be at?
# [11:02] <ewong> padenot: ok.. give me a moment
# [11:02] <padenot> avih: no idea, I don't know too much things about windows :/
# [11:02] <avih> padenot: should it be part of m-c? or outside with the platform includes?
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# [11:03] <padenot> it is a system include
# [11:03] <avih> ok
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# [11:04] <ewong> padenot: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2160688
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# [11:04] <avih> padenot: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2160689
# [11:05] <padenot> alright, I'm going to compare to my local copy
# [11:06] <ewong> incidentally this is VS2010
# [11:06] <avih> same
# [11:06] <avih> it's at thw windows sdk: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v7.0A\Include
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# [11:09] <padenot> ewong|away, avih: I belive pastebin truncated the file, could you upload it somewhere else?
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# [11:10] <avih> padenot: http://dropcanvas.com/#576ayig7160ck7
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# [11:20] <ewong|away> padenot: strange.. my wmcodecdsp.h is the same as avih, but my file is in Windows.old\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\v7.0A\Include
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# [11:21] <avih> ewong|away: is that a 32 bit windows?
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# [11:21] <padenot> ewong|away, avih: I kicked off a build here to test a couple things, will get back to you when I have results
# [11:21] <gaston> glandium: re 814333 i though local modifications to gyp were frowned upon, it's not the case anymore ?
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# [11:21] <avih> padenot: thanks :)
# [11:22] <glandium> gaston: i think that's something we should upstream. i don't think mozilla are the only ones with that problem
# [11:23] <gaston> ugh
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# [11:24] <Yoric> khuey|away: Could you quick-review bug 840887? It's a one-liner patch.
# [11:24] <Yoric> (please)
# [11:24] <avih> padenot: note that the cset at which i had the missing vp8 symbol is also in aurora.
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# [11:24] <gaston> glandium: so it'd be acceptable to take it as a local mod, as long as the patch is forwarded upstream in a bug report ?
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# [11:25] <padenot> avih: noted
# [11:25] <gaston> upstream gyp is not that responsive on bug reports from my experience.. see https://code.google.com/p/gyp/issues/detail?id=311&start=100 for example
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# [11:26] <glandium> gaston: that's my opinion, but you'd better ask ted
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# [11:26] <glandium> gaston: you have to admit that an openbsd specific bug is not very appealing ;)
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# [11:26] <gaston> of course, but when it's a straightforward patch.. :p
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# [11:45] <@smaug> now I feel so modern. I just pushed to m-i
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# [11:58] <gfritzsche> RyanVM: Beware, perma-leaks inbound ^
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# [12:19] <msucan> is there a way to find crash info based on an email address?
# [12:20] <msucan> i submitted several crash reports from thunderbird and i can't find them in crash-stats.mozilla.com
# [12:20] <msucan> also, i'm wondering how i can load about:crashes in TB
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# [12:21] <msucan> found it, in help
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# [12:27] <gcp> http://bz.selenic.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3833#c8
# [12:27] <gcp> lol oops :P
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# [12:28] <glazou> bonjour
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# [12:28] <@smaug> so how do I set environment variables on Windows terminal so that nightly pick them up ?
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# [12:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b45c32b6028 - Jim Mathies - Bug 841686 - Update strings, order, and options for image context menu. Also includes tab fix for bug 841688. r=mbrubeck
# [12:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4b6b0d489301 - Jim Mathies - Bug 842516 - Disable the form manager until we can fix all the bugs. r=mbrubeck
# [12:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aae721e94e2c - Jim Mathies - Bug 782810 - add text, link, and input context menu tests. r=mbrubeck
# [12:30] <RyanVM> gfritzsche: thanks for the heads-up
# [12:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d3ee65f9f8c8 - Jim Mathies - Bug 782810 - Implement Yuan's new context menu spec. r=mbrubeck
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# [12:53] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping
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# [12:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95363d69b570 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 842730 - Remove nsIJSNativeInitializer from nsXMLHttpRequest. r=sicking
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# [13:07] <ttaubert> Yoric: hey
# [13:07] <Yoric> ttaubert: Hi
# [13:08] <Yoric> After some time spent reviewing plenty of things, I'm back on Session Restore.
# [13:08] <ttaubert> nice
# [13:08] <ttaubert> Yoric: how about another meeting to discuss the current state and adjust plans? with felipe?
# [13:08] <Yoric> Unfortunately, I'm back to the same issue: how do I determine that the data I am currently collecting is still valid.
# [13:09] <Yoric> Well, state hasn't changed.
# [13:09] <Yoric> I think it's a bit early for that.
# [13:10] <Yoric> Right now, I'd be interested in picking your brain for ideas on how I could do that.
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# [13:10] <ttaubert> yeah I just saw the bug
# [13:10] <Yoric> ("that" = "determining when data is invalidated")
# [13:11] <NeilAway> smaug: start nightly from the prompt where you set the variables? otherwise, you have to fiddle around with the system properties dialog
# [13:12] <RyanVM> smaug: <3
# [13:12] <@smaug> NeilAway: got it working
# [13:12] <@smaug> just had to get one nspr log
# [13:12] <@smaug> RyanVM: you're welcome
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# [13:13] <@smaug> RyanVM: now I need to learn to be even lazier at star'ing
# [13:14] <RyanVM> smaug: hah
# [13:14] <NeilAway> smaug: *starring
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# [13:15] <NeilAway> smaug: (same word as for actors featuring in a film)
# [13:15] <Yoric> ttaubert: still here?
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# [13:18] <whimboo> smaug: bug 842979 ;/ anything you would like to have?
# [13:18] <ttaubert> Yoric: yeah
# [13:19] <whimboo> smaug: as long as I have it in my running instance
# [13:19] <Yoric> ttaubert: I'm still interested in your brains, then :)
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# [13:19] <Yoric|Zombie> braaaaains
# [13:19] <ttaubert> haha
# [13:19] <ttaubert> just wanted to make that joke too
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# [13:20] <ttaubert> (that transition back was a little too easy)
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# [13:21] <Yoric> Who knows, maybe I'm not a zombie but a vampire.
# [13:21] <Yoric> That would be consistent with my workschedule.
# [13:22] <Yoric> ttaubert: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/SessionRestore-20Race-20Condition, btw
# [13:22] <ttaubert> all those European vampires working for Mozilla
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# [13:23] <Yoric> ttaubert: So, any ideas?
# [13:23] <ttaubert> Yoric: typing
# [13:23] <whimboo> smaug: can you change your addon so it doens't block the main thread while running the collector or any analysis?
# [13:24] <whimboo> smaug: problem lies in allObjects() @ aboutcc.js:203
# [13:24] <@smaug> whimboo: main thread must be blocked while collector runs
# [13:24] <whimboo> ah k
# [13:25] <@smaug> and other slow part is actually showing the graph as text
# [13:25] <@smaug> analyzing the graph should be fast
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# [13:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de2bb5efa079 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 842462 - Part 3: xpcshell for Facility Lock of FDN. r=hsinyi
# [13:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cfd2d5547cd6 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 842462 - Part 1: Update IDL comments. r=hsinyi
# [13:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0c35665323e9 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 842462 - Part 2: Facility Lock for FDN implementations. r=hsinyi
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# [13:29] <ttaubert> Yoric: what do you mean by "Document in a tab"?
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# [13:30] <@smaug> whimboo: so allObjects is about printing the log to screen
# [13:30] <Yoric> ttaubert: Well, the tab url.
# [13:30] <ttaubert> Yoric: ah ok
# [13:30] <Yoric> The url of the document currently being displayed by the tab.
# [13:30] <@smaug> whimboo: I guess I could speed it up
# [13:30] <whimboo> smaug: that would be great. because it blcoked the ui for about 30s
# [13:31] <@smaug> huh
# [13:31] <ttaubert> Yoric: done
# [13:31] <@smaug> whimboo: what kinds of graphs you have
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# [13:31] <whimboo> smaug: in that case it was a really huge one
# [13:32] <@smaug> actually, I can't make it faster, but could split it to smaller steps
# [13:32] <@smaug> so UI wouldn't block
# [13:32] <@smaug> whimboo: would be interesting to see profile for the slowness
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# [13:32] <whimboo> smaug: i dropped the profiler log sorry. otherwise I would have been uploaded it
# [13:32] <Yoric> ttaubert: Ok, so I'll try and put together some API for detecting invalidation.
# [13:32] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [13:33] <@smaug> because it is probably font handling or frame creation which takes time
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# [13:33] <ttaubert> Yoric: cool :) I'll copy that stuff to the bug
# [13:33] <whimboo> smaug: let me retry
# [13:34] <whimboo> smaug: at this time more than 1.500.000 graph describers have been processed
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# [13:35] <@smaug> whimboo: fun
# [13:35] <@smaug> that is .. a lot
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# [13:36] <whimboo> smaug: damn. did a click on the wrong button in the profiler... "profile startup" and it restarted my browser
# [13:37] <whimboo> smaug: but got another freeze now in backupBookmarks which blocked the main thread for 10s
# [13:37] <whimboo> fun day
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# [13:37] * RyanVM just realized igor's not with Mozilla anymore. When did that happen?
# [13:38] <@smaug> RyanVM: ages ago
# [13:38] <@smaug> like 2 years ago or something
# [13:38] <RyanVM> wow
# [13:39] <glandium> RyanVM: igor bukanov?
# [13:39] <whimboo> smaug: and cycle collector on shutdown has been taken about 20s
# [13:39] <RyanVM> yeah
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# [13:39] <glandium> haven't seen that name in a long while
# [13:39] <RyanVM> i stumbled upon his new hire bug by accident this morning and realized I hadn't seen his name in awhile
# [13:39] <@smaug> whimboo: hmm, which version are you using?
# [13:39] <whimboo> smaug: latest aurora
# [13:39] <whimboo> uploading the profile right now
# [13:40] <@smaug> whimboo: is latest aurora already FF20
# [13:40] <whimboo> yes
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# [13:40] <whimboo> smaug: http://people.mozilla.com/~bgirard/cleopatra/#report=7d23c3275e17c0bc582495b4944dfa5b6188920c
# [13:40] <whimboo> see behind shutdown early
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# [13:41] <@smaug> ah, not really during shutdown
# [13:41] <whimboo> smaug: but could be related to the high memory usage i had... ~1.4GB?
# [13:41] <@smaug> we just happen to run CC at that time
# [13:42] <@smaug> whimboo: yes, if you're leaking badly, CC times get high
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# [13:42] <whimboo> smaug: but it delayed the shutdown, right?
# [13:42] <whimboo> by 20s
# [13:43] <@smaug> sure
# [13:43] <@smaug> but that is just kind of accident
# [13:43] <@smaug> the timer for CC happened to run just when you were going to shutdown
# [13:43] <whimboo> smaug: would there be a way to stop cc and let us shutdown earlier?
# [13:43] <@smaug> we don't do explicit CCs during shutdown anymore
# [13:44] <@smaug> whimboo: we do stop running those timers and calling CC explicitly
# [13:44] <whimboo> smaug: e.g don't run cc after shutdown_early has been fired
# [13:44] <@smaug> whimboo: you just had really bad luck, as far as I see
# [13:44] <@ted> gaston: changes to .gyp files are not changes to gyp itself
# [13:44] <@ted> gaston: we can take changes to the webrtc gypfiles, we'll just upstream them
# [13:44] <@smaug> whimboo: I have no idea what is sthutdown_early
# [13:44] <@smaug> we stop CC timers as soon as it is safe
# [13:44] <glandium> ted: i was suggesting a change to gyp itself
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# [13:45] <whimboo> glandium: ^ do you know what shutdown_early is in the profiler?
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# [13:45] <@ted> glandium: ah
# [13:45] <glandium> ted: so that the "python" variable would be predefined and initialized to the value of sys.executable
# [13:45] <@ted> gotcha
# [13:45] <@ted> makes sense
# [13:45] <whimboo> smaug: oh, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp#1121
# [13:45] <glandium> whimboo: it's a marker, but i don't know what it corresponds to exactly
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# [13:46] <@smaug> whimboo: oh, wait, I think the "don't run CC timers during shutdown" is in FF21, not in FF20
# [13:46] <Cork> is there any public tinderbox archive ( i need to get tinderboxes for 2013-01-07 +1 day )
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# [13:47] <whimboo> smaug: that would explain it at leat
# [13:47] <@smaug> it is the don't-run-shutdown-CCs which is in FF20
# [13:47] <@ted> Cork: archive of what exactly?
# [13:47] <whimboo> smaug: do you have a bug #?
# [13:47] <@smaug> whimboo: bug 822849
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# [13:48] <whimboo> smaug: so it's 21! :)
# [13:48] <whimboo> i should update to todays 21.0a2 build
# [13:48] <whimboo> smaug: i will keep an eye on it
# [13:49] <Cork> ted: the builds
# [13:49] <Cork> preferably linux64 for me
# [13:49] <@ted> Cork: oh, you mean an archive of tinderbox-builds? not that i'm aware of
# [13:49] <Cork> k
# [13:50] <gaston> ted: i have a patch for it - will post it to the bz when i've tested it enough
# [13:50] <@ted> gaston: okay
# [13:50] <Pike> can I get to inIDOMUtils in a webapp? I guess I'd need CC and Ci, thus I'm kinda-pessimistic
# [13:50] <gaston> it even seems to work - no more python symlink!
# [13:50] <@ted> Cork: we store about 30 days of tinderbox-builds
# [13:50] <@ted> but earlier than that you're on your own
# [13:50] <@ted> we can push old changesets to the try server to rebuild things
# [13:50] <Cork> ted: ya, i know, and thats ~ 18 days too little for me :D
# [13:51] <Cork> ted: bug 842968
# [13:51] <Cork> and i can't build on this machine
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# [13:56] <@ted> Cork: bummer
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# [14:06] <glandium> i've done approval requests for crazy patches but i think this one is the best https://bug834337.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=715455
# [14:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3324030359a4 - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for firefox 20.0b1 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
# [14:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/97c0afec01ca - ffxbld - Added FIREFOX_20_0b1_RELEASE FIREFOX_20_0b1_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 3324030359a4. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
# [14:07] <glandium> and it just makes fennec 7s faster to start on my nexus s
# [14:08] <@ted> glandium: huh
# [14:08] <@ted> why does that make it faster?
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# [14:08] <glandium> ted: because ZipInputStream is crazy
# [14:09] <@ted> heh
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# [14:10] <gaston> glandium: haha nice wtf patch
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# [14:10] <Pike> jfkthame: can I force the font to be a particular font like MozTT for a glyph? In particular one that it doesn't support? I'd like to create test cases for languages our fonts don't support yet
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# [14:11] <jfkthame> Pike: you can set font-family:MozTT on your span (or whatever), but for characters the font doesn't support, we will automatically look for a fallback
# [14:11] <Callek> way to surprise me with pings!
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# [14:13] <jfkthame> Pike: what's the goal, are you trying to make it really obvious when something is missing from the font by producing a hexbox or similar?
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# [14:13] <Pike> jfkthame: yeah
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# [14:14] <jfkthame> Pike: what i'd suggest then is that you install something like the Last Resort font, and use "font-family: MozTT, LastResort" in your style
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# [14:14] <jfkthame> pike: see http://www.unicode.org/policies/lastresortfont_eula.html
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# [14:15] <jfkthame> Pike: it should be glaringly obvious any time you get the Last Resort glyph in place of a MozTT letter :)
# [14:15] <Pike> jfkthame: I'll try that, thanks
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# [14:16] <Pike> naughty license, sadly
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# [14:17] <jfkthame> presumably it's ok for your own testing use, at least?
# [14:18] <jfkthame> another possibility would be SIL's "BMP Fallback" font
# [14:18] <jfkthame> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=UnicodeBMPFallbackFont
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# [14:20] <Pike> jfkthame: also, seems like the LastResort I just pulled is rejected by the font sanitizer :-/
# [14:20] <jfkthame> :(
# [14:20] <jfkthame> it's probably constructed in some weird way
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# [14:21] <jfkthame> any message in the web console indicating why it's unhappy?
# [14:21] <Pike> table 'cmap': failed to parse
# [14:22] <jfkthame> ah - it probably does something to point lots of character codes at the same glyph, and OTS doesn't understand it properly - may well be a sanitizer bug
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# [14:22] <jfkthame> maybe try the BMP Fallback as an alternative?
# [14:22] <jfkthame> (though Last Resort would probably work OK if you install it locally)
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# [14:26] <Pike> jfkthame: trying the bmp one now, weirdly enough, it seems to fallback to times new roman for the content I try. Like "0424"
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# [14:27] <jfkthame> Pike: hmm. what platform are you on? is the font loading at all, or being rejected somewhere?
# [14:28] <Pike> mac, and I don't see anything in the console that complains
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# [14:30] <Pike> oh, now I see it
# [14:30] <Pike> table 'post': failed to parse
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# [14:30] <Pike> oh y you sanitize
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# [14:31] <jfkthame> i need to run out for a few minutes, but i can fix up one of these fonts for you shortly if that's helpful
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# [14:36] <RattyAway> Anyone seen this error before? http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showlog.cgi?log=SeaMonkey/1361362099.1361362168.14581.gz#err0
# [14:36] <RattyAway> checking for python2.7... (cached) /d/mozilla-build/python27/python2.7
# [14:36] <RattyAway> Creating Python environment
# [14:37] <RattyAway> Usage: populate_virtualenv.py /path/to/topsrcdir /path/to/topobjdir /path/to/virtualenv
# [14:37] <RattyAway> *** Fix above errors and then restart with "make -f
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# [14:39] <Pike> jfkthame: a fixed version of the unicode bmp one would be great. Sounds like a great one to use in the test cases
# [14:40] <glandium> RattyAway: it's because of bug 841713
# [14:40] <glandium> gps: ^
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# [14:45] <RattyAway> glandium: thanks! I'd never have guessed.
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# [14:52] <annevk> bz_away: thanks! (re public-webapps)
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# [15:00] <jfkthame> Pike: i've put a hacked version of Unicode BMP Fallback here: http://people.mozilla.org/~jkew/UnicodeHex.ttf
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# [15:00] <jfkthame> that loads fine for me on Mac
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# [15:03] <Pike> jfkthame: sweet, works for me, too. thanks
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# [15:08] <Yoric> ttaubert: is MozStorageChanged per-window or per-tab?
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# [15:09] <ttaubert> Yoric: per tab-window? :)
# [15:09] <Yoric> ttaubert: er what?
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# [15:09] <ttaubert> you mean the browser window not the DOMWindow, right?
# [15:09] <ttaubert> so it's per tab
# [15:09] <Yoric> ok, thanks
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# [15:10] <ttaubert> 'window' is so ambiguous these days
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# [15:27] <hsivonen> what's the latest thinking on dropping support for Mac OS X 10.6?
# [15:28] <sheppy> hsivonen: seems a little early to me - what do we get out of it other than dropping test platforms?
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# [15:33] <Cork> anyone know if there's been any talks about changing the env var for the python scripts to python2, so that users that need to have both python2 and 3 can get around it a bit simpler?
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# [15:35] <derf> Cork: See bug 840004. AFAIK that's the only problem.
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# [15:36] <Cork> derf: ah, no i didn't mean to move to python3, even though that would be a solution :)
# [15:36] <derf> Cork: That's not what that bug is about.
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# [15:37] <Cork> hmm
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# [15:39] <Cork> ooh it morphs at the end
# [15:39] <Cork> derf: thx
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# [16:30] <Cwiiis> bz, hey, quick question, are fixed position elements always on a viewport frame or is it possible to make a fixed position containing block in some other way?
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# [16:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fec94a52b86f - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 841836 - Update emulator for bug 716859, r=callek
# [16:50] <Callek> stop pinging me firebot!
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# [16:51] <mcote> tzimmermann: pong
# [16:51] <tzimmermann> regarding bug 840109: which version of linaro do you use?
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# [16:51] <tzimmermann> mcote: ^
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# [16:52] <mcote> tzimmermann: hm not sure, got a random img from ted
# [16:52] <firebot> r=rstrong,r=bhearsum
# [16:52] <mcote> tzimmermann: how can I find out?
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# [16:52] <@ted> i know the source, sec
# [16:52] <tzimmermann> mcote: good question.
# [16:53] <mcote> ah ted to the rescue
# [16:53] <Ms2ger> Callek, stop reviewing stuff ;)
# [16:53] <@ted> http://releases.linaro.org/12.05/android/leb-panda/
# [16:53] <tzimmermann> ted: great! thanks a lot
# [16:53] <@ted> mcote: note: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/Pandaboard_Setup#Using_Linaro_Pre-Built_Images_.28WHAT_WE_ARE_USING.29
# [16:53] <Callek> Ms2ger: no, but stop using my nick when marking me as r=, you should use r=justin more ambiguous that way
# [16:53] <Callek> :-P
# [16:53] <Callek> (also I don't stalk "justin"
# [16:54] <Ms2ger> Why not go all the way with r=dolske? ;)
# [16:54] <Callek> Ms2ger: how about r=bgoodger
# [16:54] <mcote> tzimmermann: there you have it :)
# [16:54] <Ms2ger> Callek, doesn't sound like a Justin
# [16:54] <Callek> Ms2ger: fine fine r=timberlake
# [16:55] <Ms2ger> Well done, well done
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# [17:04] <darkowlzz> Ms2ger: ping!
# [17:05] <Ms2ger> Hi!
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# [17:08] <@ted> bz: pong
# [17:09] <jet> jwatt: is $OBJDIR set in your env? i usually spell it out (not using a $var)
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# [17:09] <jwatt> jet: yes
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# [17:10] <jwatt> jet: the directory that isn't found is the 'dist' directory inside '_tests'
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# [17:10] <annevk> Is there some kind of documentation for which schemes/protocols <img src> will do something in Gecko?
# [17:10] <Ms2ger> jet, makes sense, there shouldn't be a dist there
# [17:11] <annevk> E.g. do we have secure ftp support in some way?
# [17:11] <jwatt> jet: I'm sure gps will fix his regression once he's around, but I was just giving folks a heads up to save them repeating any debugging
# [17:11] <dougt> annevk: no.
# [17:11] <jet> jwatt: k (not pulling new src yet.)
# [17:11] <annevk> dougt: so http/https/data/blob/ftp/file (locally)/anything else?
# [17:12] <Ms2ger> Gopher?
# [17:12] <Ms2ger> Not anymore, I guess
# [17:12] <dougt> hah.
# [17:12] <annevk> jar maybe?
# [17:12] <dougt> i think we rm'ed that from webcontent
# [17:12] <dougt> dveditz ^
# [17:12] <annevk> that sounds good
# [17:12] <dougt> annevk: on b2g, app://
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# [17:13] <annevk> ah yeah, I guess we'll have to add that to the specs eventually
# [17:13] <dougt> annevk: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=NS_NETWORK_PROTOCOL_CONTRACTID_PREFIX
# [17:13] <annevk> thanks
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# [17:14] <annevk> doesn't make much sense for ws/wss to work outside of WebSocket() hmm
# [17:14] <dougt> nope.
# [17:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e99b8331abe5 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 791244 - Make the hangprocessor pref dependent on RELEASE_BUILD since deploying multidump hasn't happened yet, r=heycam a=lsblakk
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# [17:17] <annevk> dougt: are you responsible for this code by any chance?
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# [17:17] <@bz> annevk: which code?
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# [17:17] <annevk> bz: what HTML calls "fetch"
# [17:17] <@bz> annevk: we don't have such a thing
# [17:18] <@bz> annevk: as in, there is no centralized fetch algorithm
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# [17:18] <@bz> annevk: there are various callsites which end up in common code at some point that's a ways into "fetch"
# [17:18] <annevk> historical or on purpose?
# [17:18] <@bz> annevk: just the way the code is
# [17:18] <@ted> bz: uh, did you want something?
# [17:18] <@bz> annevk: turns out the way loads need to work for different things is different enough that they ... look different. ;)
# [17:18] <@bz> ted: yes
# [17:19] <@bz> ted: do you have any sort of eta on the review for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784812 ?
# [17:19] <@ted> jwatt: we should probably just back gps out for now
# [17:19] <@bz> ted: it's making life suck for me. ;)
# [17:19] <@bz> annevk: so which fetch are you interested in?
# [17:19] <annevk> bz: k, so my plan is to write a Fetch spec for the platform that also encompasses CORS and have everything in the platform use that
# [17:19] <@ted> bz: ah, sorry, i started to look at that last week and ran out of time
# [17:19] <@ted> bz: i will review it today, sorry for the delay
# [17:19] <@bz> ted: Awesome, thanks
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# [17:19] <annevk> bz: my notes are here: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Fetch
# [17:19] <@bz> ted: having 1-2s turnaround instead of 1-2min turnaround would be nice. ;)
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# [17:19] <@ted> when my review queue gets out of hand i tend to start ignoring reviews because thinking about it gives me anxiety
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# [17:20] <@ted> it's not a great feedback loop
# [17:20] <RyanVM> philor: I was holding off on starring the b2g R6 because I think it was from that push
# [17:20] <@bz> ted: I know how that works. ;)
# [17:20] <annevk> bz: for the replacement for appcache there's some tentative plans to introduce JavaScript hooks into "fetch" so a worker can handle the requests instead
# [17:20] <philor> RyanVM: oh, that would be unfortunate for b2g, if it ever hit a real timeout in a reftest
# [17:20] <@bz> annevk: ok
# [17:20] <annevk> bz: that would be the next step
# [17:20] <@bz> annevk: I have no problem with centralizing this stuff in principle
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# [17:21] <@bz> annevk: it'll just involve a method with a bajillion of inscrutable arguments
# [17:21] <annevk> that's good to know, thanks
# [17:21] <annevk> and agreed
# [17:21] <@bz> annevk: or an argument struct with a bajillion inscrutable members, of course.
# [17:21] <@bz> annevk: What was the <img> question above?
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# [17:22] <annevk> yeah, the request concept I have thus far has over 12 members
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# [17:22] <annevk> bz: basically for Fetch only works for a certain set of schemes, I was wondering which they were in Gecko
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# [17:23] <philor> RyanVM: though since it's green a couple of pushes up, good luck telling a real intermittent b2g reftest hang from the constant b2g reftest hangs
# [17:23] <annevk> bz: Navigate would work with the larger set of schemes (dispatching to third parties and such) but is not always used of course
# [17:23] <RyanVM> philor: I just remember that specific test failing when that patch landed before
# [17:23] <RyanVM> (the webgl alpha one)
# [17:24] <RyanVM> some day those retriggers will go
# [17:24] <RyanVM> so hopefully I can ascertain a frequency
# [17:24] <@bz> annevk: arbitrary
# [17:24] <@bz> annevk: In general, we will fetch from any scheme at all that can provide data
# [17:24] <@bz> annevk: there are some constraints on it for untrusted code
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# [17:25] <@bz> annevk: but any extension can drop in a protocol handler for a new scheme and it will Just Work
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# [17:25] <annevk> ooh
# [17:25] <annevk> that's gonna be annoying with that appcache replacement thingie
# [17:25] <@bz> annevk: For <img> I think we disallow loads from a scheme that doesn't produce data
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# [17:25] <@bz> annevk: basically to avoid <img src="mailto:">
# [17:26] <@bz> annevk: iirc
# [17:26] <annevk> right, or skype: or itunes:
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# [17:26] <@bz> annevk: And some schemes we don't allow untrusted content to link to at all (e.g. chrome:// in many cases)
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# [17:26] <RyanVM> jrmuizel: ping
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# [17:27] <annevk> thanks again
# [17:28] <@bz> annevk: no problem
# [17:28] <@bz> annevk: and of course there's various stuff like CSP and extensions and whatnot that can veto loads...
# [17:28] <annevk> yeah, hopefully we can make CSP a bit clearer though if we define it in terms of this algorithm
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# [17:28] <annevk> s/though/too/
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# [17:33] <firebot> fantasai was last seen 9 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying 'bz: do you know who's in charge of the Rust layout implementation?' in #developers.
# [17:33] <jrmuizel> RyanVM: pong
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# [17:35] <RyanVM> jrmuizel: sorry for the ambiguity on that backout :(
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# [17:35] <jrmuizel> RyanVM: no problem
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# [17:36] <RyanVM> jrmuizel: the same test went orange as the last time it landed, but then was green on a later push
# [17:36] <jrmuizel> RyanVM: which test?
# [17:36] <RyanVM> jrmuizel: the webgl alpha test in R6
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# [17:36] <RyanVM> though it was a timeout
# [17:36] <Waldo> ctalbert: you in SF or MV today?
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# [17:36] <jrmuizel> RyanVM: yeah, I'm going to mark it as random
# [17:36] <RyanVM> jrmuizel: so maybe a coincidence. I've got some retriggers requested
# [17:36] <ctalbert> Waldo: I'm in MV today
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# [17:37] <Waldo> ctalbert: excellent, now just to hope fantasai's not here :-)
# [17:37] <ctalbert> Waldo: haha, best of luck!
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# [17:38] <jorendorff> bz: Stupid question, can you think of a CSS selector idea that got shot down because it wouldn't perform well?
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# [17:38] <Waldo> jorendorff: select-by-parent
# [17:38] <annevk> jorendorff: :contains()
# [17:38] <Waldo> or maybe I meant select-by-child actually :-)
# [17:39] <Ms2ger> jorendorff, ~
# [17:39] <Waldo> which would fit more with the :contains() thing
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# [17:39] <annevk> Ms2ger: false positive
# [17:40] <Waldo> annevk: did :contains() get removed from cssN?
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# [17:40] <Ms2ger> Does webkit implement ~ correctly already? :)
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# [17:40] <annevk> Waldo: afaict
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# [17:41] <Waldo> interesting
# [17:41] <Waldo> shows how closely I follow CSS spec work these days :-\
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# [17:41] <annevk> Waldo: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/selectors3/#content-selectors
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# [17:44] <Ms2ger> froydnj, fix 'em
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# [17:45] <froydnj> Ms2ger: already did
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# [17:46] <froydnj> doesn't change that the compiler is and has been smart enough to DTRT in such situations
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# [17:48] <Ms2ger> froydnj, which right thing? Silently losing data?
# [17:48] <annevk> Is http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc959 the version of FTP we implement?
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# [17:48] <froydnj> Waldo: ok, thanks for the heads up
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# [17:48] <annevk> I guess it's just as much of a mess as the other IETF documents?
# [17:49] * Waldo has tried to pick off really-little reviews occasionally amidst that, to stave off mind-numb, but endianness reviewing is not quite really-little
# [17:49] <@bz> jorendorff: still looking for examples?
# [17:49] <@bz> annevk: ~ and + are still buggy in WebKit last I checked
# [17:49] <@bz> annevk: you just have to try a bit harder to trigger the bugs
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# [17:49] <annevk> bz: fair enough
# [17:49] <jorendorff> bz: Yes.
# [17:49] <Waldo> bz: we should write a CSS benchmark that uses them, then they'd care
# [17:50] <@bz> jorendorff: so the prime example is :contains(): selecting an element based on the text inside it
# [17:50] <Ms2ger> Waldo, ... and fix exactly those cases we test
# [17:50] <annevk> Yeah, because dropping them from the spec is no longer feasible and speccing what WebKit implements there is well...
# [17:50] <@bz> jorendorff: Also selecting an element based on its descendants or later siblings
# [17:50] <@bz> jorendorff: Though this last is probably going to happen in css4
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# [17:51] <jorendorff> bz: ok
# [17:51] <jorendorff> thanks!
# [17:51] <@bz> jorendorff: no problem
# [17:51] <froydnj> Waldo: endianness reviewing is mind-numbing in itself =/
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# [17:52] <Waldo> (i.e. they ship it, or something)
# [17:52] <Waldo> so it goes
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# [18:00] <@ted> and it works out
# [18:00] <@ted> hooray for always-on sampling
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# [18:01] <sfink> but my browser isn't planning on becoming responsive today, it appears
# [18:01] <@ted> d'oh
# [18:01] <@ted> we need a backdoor for generating a profile
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# [18:01] <@ted> like what njn and jlebar did for getting memory info out of B2G
# [18:02] <@ted> send a magic signal or something, get a profile
# [18:02] <sfink> yeah, I'd been requesting that on desktop for at least half a year now
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# [18:02] <sfink> because I had the same problem with about:memory
# [18:02] <glandium> ted: the addon is able to do that for you automatically, check the advanced settings ;)
# [18:02] <sfink> when my browser gobbled up too much memory, it started taking 10 minutes or so to compute about:memory
# [18:03] <sfink> clicking through a dozen slow script dialogs to allow it to finish wasn't fun
# [18:03] <@ted> glandium: what setting am i looking for?
# [18:03] <@ted> sfink: the plumbing ought to all be there
# [18:03] <@ted> not sure if it's hooked up anywhere but B2G
# [18:03] <glandium> ted: performance reporter, in advanced configuration
# [18:03] <@ted> glandium: ah
# [18:03] <sfink> I think it is, on some high signal number that I forget
# [18:03] <@ted> interesting
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# [18:04] <glandium> sfink: USR1 or USR2, on linux only i think
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# [18:04] <jlebar> sfink: signal 34, on linux
# [18:04] <jlebar> 35 does a gc first
# [18:04] <jlebar> dumps it into /tmp
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# [18:04] <jlebar> sfink: And doing that should be /much/ lighter-weight than loading about:memory
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# [18:05] <sfink> so now USR1 should dump out a profile too :)
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# [18:05] <jlebar> sfink: 37 is all yours to play with. :)
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# [18:05] <jlebar> sfink: (we also own 36)
# [18:05] <sfink> bastards
# [18:06] <froydnj> user-defined signal hoarders!
# [18:06] <sfink> I've done disgusting things before where USR1 means "read /tmp/magic.command and do what it says"
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# [18:06] <Waldo> "abort: data/mobile/android/base/Favicons.java.i@98051c03c406: no match found!" anyone know what that's about?
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# [18:08] <baku> jwatt, ping
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# [18:08] <Waldo> oh, rebasing across a head-change, sigh
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# [18:10] <gaston> in case anyone in toronto or ottawa is interested, i'll be talking about mozilla on bsd at http://www.bsdcan.org/2013/schedule/events/368.en.html :)
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# [18:11] <jwatt> baku: pong
# [18:11] <hub> gaston: nice to see that you don't consider the people in Montreal ;-)
# [18:11] <gaston> well - anyone near ottawa
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# [18:11] <baku> jwatt, do you know something about how css transitions are implemented? or where?
# [18:11] <gaston> i always forget which one is close to the other in that area
# [18:11] <mib_ki6qkn> Hello, i'm trying to see if certain files are compiled into xul.dll. Is it possible to ask here?
# [18:11] <hub> gaston: Montreal is 200km :-D
# [18:11] <jwatt> baku: not so much
# [18:12] <hub> gaston: Toronto is 400+
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# [18:12] <jwatt> baku: dbaron would know more about that
# [18:12] <baku> jwatt, thanks
# [18:12] <gaston> hah - i'll spend the month of may in that area anyway :)
# [18:12] <baku> dbaron, ping
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# [18:13] <stephend> bsmedberg: hey there
# [18:13] <stephend> I have a 100% repro case for bug 680130
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# [18:13] <baku> I have a nice bug: I have a dialog that has a transition opacity 0.5, that is used to change the date/time. So the transition takes forever when the time is changed to the past :/
# [18:13] <stephend> but that bug is mostly a catch-all for some kind of non-specific crash
# [18:13] <stephend> should I open a new one and mark it blocking, or what?
# [18:14] <stephend> jimm: ^^^
# [18:14] <@bsmedberg> if you think it's important
# [18:14] <@bsmedberg> if it's just "Flash script not responding" then it's a feature not a bug ;-)
# [18:14] <stephend> we crash 100% of the time using pingtest.net
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# [18:14] <stephend> ok
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# [18:15] <jwatt> baku: you mean when the animation is set to a negative time and in supposed to reverse?
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# [18:16] <baku> jwatt, no. b2g, the settings app allows to change date/time. This is done with a dialog. This dialog has a transition.
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# [18:16] <baku> so when I change date/time and I set it to the past
# [18:16] <jwatt> baku: (it's not clear if the time you're talking about is a negative animation, or just that you're talking about a date/time dialog)
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# [18:16] <baku> it's the datetime of the device
# [18:16] <@bz> How can I run a mochitest under gdb if I'm using the "make" version of running it?
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# [18:17] <jwatt> baku: it would be good to know what the transition looks like in that case
# [18:17] <baku> jwatt, I'm talking about a date/time dialog
# [18:17] <jwatt> baku: perhaps a small testcase and a bug? :)
# [18:17] <jwatt> sounds like a bug is needed
# [18:18] <baku> we have a bug: 842550
# [18:18] <jwatt> ta
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# [18:19] <jwatt> cool bug :/
# [18:19] <baku> hehe
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# [18:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/461e427960b2 - Gregory Szorc - Backout 4682ed369545 (bug 841713) for reftest make target bustage
# [18:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1e5d26d9e154 - Gregory Szorc - Backed out changeset 9dbb23d8ab8a for reftest make target bustage
# [18:20] <@dbaron> baku, can I get back to you at the hour; I'm in a meeting now?
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# [18:21] <mccr8> Is there any bug on file about pinned tabs getting clipped off the left hand side?
# [18:21] <gps> jwatt: delete objdir/_virtualenv and reftest should work on m-c now
# [18:21] <jwatt> gps: thanks
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# [18:21] <jwatt> gps: my trees are m-i
# [18:21] <jwatt> gps: is m-i still broken for now?
# [18:22] <gps> jwatt: yes
# [18:22] <gps> ask a sheriff to merge m-c to m-i
# [18:22] <jwatt> ok
# [18:22] <gps> anyway, I have to head to the airport
# [18:22] <gps> I hate pushing to m-c and then leaving. but bustage
# [18:22] <baku> dbaron, sure!
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# [18:22] <jwatt> gps: ok
# [18:22] <jwatt> gps: safe flight
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# [18:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dcfa5af2b72a - Ryan VanderMeulen - Speculatively backout changeset e8d73b8ba1a1 (bug 825720) for Android armv6 reftest 2 timeouts.
# [18:23] <gps> aviation. gah
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# [18:24] <RyanVM> gps et al: I'll merge m-c back to inbound once that push is showing some green
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# [18:25] <RyanVM> jwatt ^
# [18:25] <jwatt> cool, thanks RyanVM
# [18:25] <Waldo> okay, something is seriously borken in my hg repo
# [18:25] <Waldo> which is incredibly strange, seeing as this repo is one on which I only run the command |hg pull -u|, and sometimes pull/update from
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# [18:26] <RyanVM> Waldo: I've had issues with -u with new heads
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# [18:27] <Waldo> RyanVM: I haven't touched the script I use to do this stuff in ages, definitely across multiple merge dates; something is rotten here
# [18:27] <RyanVM> and you tried a rebase on top of that?
# [18:28] <Waldo> RyanVM: so I have one tree at ~/moz/.clean-base that is a clone of inbound, that I clone a bunch of local trees from
# [18:28] <jdm> ted: ping
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# [18:28] <Waldo> RyanVM: that tree, the only thing I run in it is |hg pull --update|
# [18:28] <RyanVM> ok
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# [18:28] <RyanVM> hmm
# [18:28] <Waldo> RyanVM: the rebase was in a tree that was a clone of it, before I realized the rot was in the base clone
# [18:28] <RyanVM> hg recover didn't show anything?
# [18:29] <Waldo> haven't tried that, worth doing
# [18:29] <Waldo> "no interrupted transaction available"
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# [18:32] <RyanVM> Waldo: hg verify?
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# [18:33] <Waldo> running that
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# [18:36] <Waldo> complaining about various revs "in manifests not found", still churning
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# [18:36] <Waldo> 3 integrity errors encountered! (first damaged changeset appears to be 122362)
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# [18:38] <Waldo> RyanVM: maybe try updating to 122361 or something? or what am I supposed to do when verify complains?
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# [18:38] <bhearsum> bbondy: any chance you can confirm that the OS_VERSION in a windows 8 update ping is "Windows_NT 6.2"?
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# [18:38] <bbondy> sounds like win8
# [18:38] <bbondy> 6.2
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# [18:39] <bbondy> wouldn't be anything else
# [18:39] <bhearsum> k
# [18:39] <bhearsum> thanks
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# [18:40] <Waldo> ...yeah, that page is suggesting repository editing
# [18:40] <Waldo> I think no!
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# [18:41] <bbondy> np
# [18:42] <@ted> jdm: pong
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# [18:43] <jdm> ted: so the patch in bug 597064 makes runxpcshelltests.py require the postprocessed automation.py, which currently breaks under mach
# [18:43] <jdm> ted: does bug 841713 make this any better?
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# [18:45] <Waldo> so the first bad rev, if hg verify can be believed, was the first change in a push at "Tue Feb 19 13:14:49 2013 -0800"
# [18:45] <Waldo> I can't think of anything interesting I was doing at that point in time
# [18:45] <Waldo> well, hmm
# [18:45] <@ted> jdm: yes, in that it's available in the objdir right now
# [18:46] <@ted> also we are still working on removing dependencies on automation[utils].py
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# [18:46] <Waldo> no, this wasn't a case where hg got yum-updated underneath it while it was running, or something crazy like that
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# [18:49] <RyanVM> Waldo: yeah, sometimes easier and faster to just throw in the towel and reclone
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# [18:50] <jesup> dolske: ping
# [18:50] <Waldo> RyanVM: given it's a repo that's totally unmodified, definitely
# [18:51] <Waldo> RyanVM: and with most of my stuff in mq patches it's pretty easy even if it's modified :-)
# [18:51] <RyanVM> yeah, yet another reason I <3 mq
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# [18:52] <Waldo> pure-text as backup is a <3able reason
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# [18:53] <jhammel> RyanVM: heh, that is my #1 reason i like mq too
# [18:53] <jesup> Is hg usable without mq? ;-)
# [18:53] <jhammel> -ish
# [18:53] <jesup> I think no
# [18:53] <padenot> hg devs are cooking us a nice thing to replace mq
# [18:53] <padenot> with versionning builtin and stuff
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# [18:54] <jesup> I agree mq (or equiv) could be even better
# [18:54] <@ted> mutablehistory looks nice
# [18:54] <gcp> git looks nice
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# [18:54] * RyanVM isn't looking forward to having to learn git analogs
# [18:54] <padenot> gcp--
# [18:54] <jhammel> padenot++ ;)
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# [18:55] <padenot> I'm going for drinks with the guy that implements mutable history in hg, if you have requests/complaints
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# [18:56] <jesup> I need "hg qtransplant" ....
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# [18:56] <jesup> or equiv
# [18:56] <RyanVM> jwatt - just merged m-c over to inbound
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# [18:56] <jwatt> RyanVM: thanks!
# [18:57] <Ms2ger> jesup, depends on what you need to do... If you can push immediately and don't need to keep local patches, you don't really need mq
# [18:57] <jesup> right now i do a lot of "hq qimport ../inbound/.hg/patches-foo/bug123456" :-(
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# [18:58] <gcp> jesup: hg qimport http://mozillacentral/changesethash
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# [18:59] * jesup is scared what that is....
# [18:59] <sfink> what's the difference between mutable history and evolution/evolve/whatever it's called?
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# [18:59] <@ted> maybe it's the same thing
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# [19:00] <@ted> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ChangesetEvolution
# [19:00] <@ted> yeah
# [19:00] <sfink> ok
# [19:00] <@ted> i think mutable-history is just their repo name
# [19:00] <sfink> yeah, that looks nice
# [19:00] <jesup> gcp: seriously, I'm not certain what you mean
# [19:00] <bbondy> bhearsum: updates turned off?
# [19:00] <jhammel> so we really have to upgrade to hg 2.5.1+?
# [19:01] <gcp> jesup: you can do a qimport directly from the published m-c tree
# [19:01] <jimb> bsmedberg: Should I be concerned that, in plugin-container, the IOChildThread is trying to dispatch events to the main thread before nsThreadManager has been initialized?
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# [19:01] <jimb> bsmedberg: I'm thinking "yes", but...
# [19:01] <gcp> jesup: I'm not sure what exactly your problem was, so I'm not sure if what I said helps you.
# [19:02] <@ted> jesup: hg -R ../inbound export <changeset> | hg qimport -n whatever -
# [19:02] <@bsmedberg> jimb: in a content process, I guess?
# [19:02] <sfink> padenot: the main thing I'm scared about losing from mq is an easy to way to see "my stuff" -- the output of |hg qseries -v|. I do not want to do |hg glog| and just look at the top changesets until the author name changes.
# [19:02] <jimb> bsmedberg: Yeah.
# [19:02] <@ted> jesup: not sure if you can alias that
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# [19:02] <jesup> gcp: no, I need to import a specific mq patch from another clone (which may not be currently applied)
# [19:02] <@bsmedberg> jimb: that does sound worrisome, yes
# [19:02] <@ted> jesup: that only works if it's applied, obviously
# [19:02] <jesup> ted: right, often it isn't
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# [19:02] <jesup> ted: I need hg qtransplant :-)
# [19:03] <@ted> jesup: i work around that by just cloning my mq repo around
# [19:03] <padenot> sfink: noted, I'll tell him. and I agree with you, qseries -v is quite nice
# [19:03] <@ted> so then i just do "mq commit; mq push; cd whatever; mq up"
# [19:03] <jesup> ted: doesn't work if I'm working in different trees on different sets of bugs
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# [19:03] <@ted> jesup: *shrug* i just have all my patches in one queue
# [19:03] <@ted> i shuffle them as needed
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# [19:04] <jesup> Can seriously mess me over if they have different bases
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# [19:05] <jimb> bsmedberg: In ContentProcess::Init, we call mContent.Init, and it ends up trying to do IPDL messaging before we call mXREEmbed.Start(), which is what calls NS_InitEmbedding2 -> ... -> nsThread
# [19:05] <jimb> ... Manager::Init
# [19:05] <@ted> sfink: that's a good point, being able to tell what you're hacking on locally
# [19:05] <jesup> I keep repos for inbound/m-c/aurora/beta, and a second inbound repo because I often want to be working on two things or need a clean one to commit (and don't want to buy into a 15-minute rebuild)
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# [19:06] <jimb> bsmedberg: This seems to be because ContentChild::Init calls SendPCrashReporterConstructor.
# [19:06] <@dbaron> baku, ok, pong
# [19:06] <jesup> hg qser is critical to my workflow
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# [19:06] <baku> dbaron, hi
# [19:06] <baku> dbaron, we have a nice back related to transitions
# [19:06] <jesup> hg qqueue is semi-critical
# [19:06] <baku> and I need a feedback
# [19:07] <@dbaron> baku, "back"?
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# [19:07] <baku> bug :)
# [19:07] <baku> sorry
# [19:07] <sfink> padenot: I have an elaborate set of workarounds for mq limitations, implemented as an extension (mqext) that wraps many mq commands, and evolve would make almost all of mqext unnecessary. Which would be a very very good thing.
# [19:07] <@dbaron> baku, btw, regarding where they are implemented, layout/style/nsTransitionManager, and layout/style/nsStyleAnimation for the value interpolation
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# [19:07] <baku> dbaron, b2g, settings app, you can change date/time. This is done using a dialog that has a transition: opacity 0.6
# [19:07] <jimb> sfink: Do you know of a brief, self-contained explanation of hg evolve?
# [19:07] <bhearsum> bbondy: rail is making that happen
# [19:07] <baku> now... if you change date time to the past, the transition takes forever.
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# [19:08] <bbondy> k
# [19:08] <padenot> sfink: I belive most of use have either a very strict way of doing things or a set of scripts and/or mq exts
# [19:08] <bbondy> rail-buildduty: eta until updates are enabled again for nightly?
# [19:08] <@dbaron> baku, does the same problem exist with layers.offmainthreadcomposition.animate-opacity pref changed to false?
# [19:09] <baku> dbaron, what I suspect is that mStartTime is set to mostRecentRefresh and this timestamp is the old one (it is in the future)
# [19:09] <baku> dbaron, I didn't check that
# [19:09] <baku> dbaron, let me try.
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# [19:09] <bhearsum> akeybl: ^
# [19:09] <rail-buildduty> bbondy: sorry, which nightly? too many things are going around :) m-c win8 nightly or aurora all platforms?
# [19:09] <bhearsum> (bbondy's question)
# [19:09] <dhylands> smaug: ping
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# [19:10] <bbondy> rail-buildduty: If I install an m-c build and try to update no updates are found.
# [19:10] <sfink> jimb: my backwards way of looking at evolve is that it's like mq, only your changes are stored as regular revisions in the repo instead of external patches, and when you rebase onto a different parent it remembers the original parent as an "obsolete" revision that can be used for merging etc.
# [19:10] <sfink> jimb: so "like mq, but not constantly forgetting history"
# [19:10] <Waldo> animations/transitions use timestamps and not intervals or something sane like that?
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# [19:10] <bhearsum> bbondy: that's because of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=842855
# [19:10] <@smaug> dhylands: pong
# [19:10] <rail-buildduty> bbondy: which platform?
# [19:10] <bhearsum> it's on purpose
# [19:10] <@dbaron> baku, and this is settings -> date & time -> uncheck [set automatically] -> date (or -> time) ?
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# [19:11] <sfink> jimb: and "utterly unlike mq, because you don't need a separate set of commands for manipulating your changes anymore"
# [19:11] <baku> dbaron, yes. bug 842550
# [19:11] <@dbaron> baku, or is it something not in v1-train yet?
# [19:11] <bbondy> I'm testing on win8 ya
# [19:11] <rail-buildduty> bbondy: ETA is EOD
# [19:11] <bbondy> bhearsum rail-buildduty: any way for me to force the update for testing?
# [19:11] <baku> dbaron, it's v1
# [19:11] <dhylands> smaug: For bug 842932, I was going to add a function Preferences::RegisterCallbackAndCall. Should that be a sep patch with a different reviewer (looks like bsmedberg is a peer)
# [19:11] <bbondy> k
# [19:12] <@dbaron> baku, ah, it something that happens when actually changing the time on the phone
# [19:12] <rail-buildduty> bbondy: unfortunately no :/ win8 is completely blocked
# [19:12] <bhearsum> bbondy: nope
# [19:12] <baku> dbaron, the fastest way to reproduce it is: settings -> date & time -> manual -> time and set current time - 1 minute.
# [19:12] <bhearsum> sorry :(
# [19:12] * bbondy tries to run in compatibility mode so you think i'm not running win 8 :)
# [19:12] <@dbaron> baku, ah, ok... so the interesting question is whether it still happens with the omta pref unset
# [19:12] <baku> dbaron, I think the transition has been just added to the CSS for that dialog.
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# [19:13] <@ted> jimb: i've only read about evolve, but it strikes me as like using git development branches, except you can share and modify your changesets and it remembers their history so it can merge intelligently
# [19:13] <jimb> sfink: Does it make switching stuff around as fast as git? :D
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# [19:13] <@dbaron> baku, I think my build is from v1-train on Sunday
# [19:13] <@smaug> dhylands: yeah, bsmedberg-mtg should probably review such patch
# [19:13] <jimb> ted: That's sure what I'm hoping.
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# [19:13] <bbondy> hah trick works :)
# [19:13] <baku> dbaron, testing with pref false
# [19:13] <rail-buildduty> woot
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# [19:13] <Waldo> note to self: if you want a file reversed, you probably want tac, not rev
# [19:13] <sfink> jimb: sadly, I suspect it will only make things slower
# [19:13] <baku> dbaron, it's still reproducible.
# [19:13] * @dbaron should learn how to change prefs in b2g
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# [19:14] <baku> dbaron, b2g/app/b2g.js
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# [19:14] <Waldo> dbaron: do animations/transitions use timestamps and not intervals?
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# [19:14] <@dbaron> baku, ah, I know that... I was hoping for UI :-)
# [19:14] <@ted> jimb: sid0 has been doing a lot of work on making hg faster in general
# [19:14] <@dbaron> Waldo, I thought mozilla::TimeStamp was interval time
# [19:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fe3b9c524a1c - Adrian Tamas - Bug 841377 - Robocop: Extend the testShareLink test to cover opening the share popup from context menus. r=jmaher
# [19:14] <jimb> sfink, ted: git is a nice sharp knife, where the handle is sharp too.
# [19:15] <@ted> haha
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# [19:15] <@ted> "i cut myself on the handle" RESO YOUREUSINGITWRONG
# [19:15] <sfink> :)
# [19:15] <jimb> ted: EXACTLY
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# [19:15] <Ms2ger> ted, YOUREUSINGITRIGHT*
# [19:15] <@ted> "linus says you're a bad person and you should feel bad"
# [19:15] <@dbaron> Waldo, it uses mozilla::TimeStamp, which is explicitly documented as interval time
# [19:15] <jimb> ted: I have nothing to add. :D
# [19:16] <@dbaron> baku, so I suppose it's possible that there's a bug in mozilla::TimeStamp on b2g, and it's not actually interval time there
# [19:16] <jimb> RESO LINUSSAYSYOURESTUPID
# [19:16] <bnicholson> ehsan: ping
# [19:16] <@ehsan> bnicholson: hi
# [19:16] <Waldo> dbaron: hmm, true, and on POSIX it's definitely monotonic in the impl
# [19:16] <baku> dbaron, makes sense.
# [19:16] <bnicholson> ehsan: hey, any thoughts on bug 823285?
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# [19:17] <Waldo> and presumably b2g is using the POSIX implementation
# [19:17] <Waldo> er, actually, no
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# [19:18] <Waldo> er, no, wrong
# [19:18] <Waldo> it's POSIX, it's monotonic
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# [19:18] <Waldo> oddment
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# [19:19] <Waldo> :-)
# [19:20] <@ehsan> bnicholson: your guess is correct :)
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# [19:20] <@ehsan> bnicholson: I do prefer a variant of option #2
# [19:20] <bnicholson> ehsan: heh, ok. thanks for looking
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# [19:20] <@ehsan> np, sorry for the delay
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# [19:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/979456163be1 - Olli Pettay - Bug 840263, make sure to notify the right navigation timing about page load, r=hsivonen
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# [19:21] <bnicholson> ehsan: one other question - why clear the clipboard but not private download files when private browsing mode is left?
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# [19:21] <baku> dbaron, Waldo how do we want to proceed ? any hints?
# [19:22] <@dbaron> baku, maybe stick some debug logging in either nsTransitionManager or in mozilla::TimeStamp and see which way it's behaving?
# [19:22] <@dbaron> baku, in other words, see if it's TimeStamp that's doing things wrong?
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# [19:22] <bnicholson> ehsan: your reasoning behind the clipboard being cleared was that users don't know how the clipboard works, and that they'd just assume things are taken care of when they leave pb mode. wouldn't they expect the same things for downloaded files? especially since they don't appear in the dl manager
# [19:22] <@dbaron> (i.e., log the raw times to the console)
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# [19:24] <mconnor> bnicholson: in that case, the assumption is that you've specifically chosen to download those files as a permanent choice, similar to bookmarking pages
# [19:24] <mconnor> bnicholson: specific choices trump generic choices
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# [19:25] <@dbaron> baku, oh, I realize it actually goes through the refresh driver too... let me look at that code
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# [19:25] <baku> dbaron, k
# [19:25] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: the b-c orange in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=96af5f83866e is one of the many suggestions right?
# [19:26] <bnicholson> mconnor: but why isn't copying something to the clipboard an explicit action?
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# [19:26] <RyanVM> tbsaunde: I would guess a variant on bug 569736
# [19:26] <tanvi> smaug: ping
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# [19:26] <bnicholson> because it's not permanent?
# [19:26] <@smaug> tanvi: pong
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# [19:27] <mconnor> bnicholson: yes, and because the cost/benefit is rather different
# [19:27] <@dbaron> baku, are you comfortable sticking some console logging in layout/base/nsRefreshDriver.cpp and looking at whether mMostRecentRefresh is behaving monotonically or not?
# [19:27] <@ehsan> bnicholson: yeah what mconnor said
# [19:27] <philor> tbsaunde: only if it never happens again, since the only thing it even vaguely looks like hasn't happened since last August
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# [19:27] <tanvi> smaug: can you take a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836951#c28
# [19:27] <baku> dbaron, sure. soon I'll tell you something
# [19:27] <@dbaron> baku, ok, sounds good
# [19:27] <tanvi> smaug: do you know if security state only applies to root doc shells?
# [19:27] <philor> and now we know who to blame if it does happen again :)
# [19:28] <mconnor> bnicholson: losing a temporary bit of data vs. accidentally pasting something damaging is a different trade from "I wanted to save this file" :)
# [19:28] <bnicholson> ehsan: ok, so by that logic, why have the concept of "private downloads"? why not have all downloads work the same way?
# [19:28] <tbsaunde> philor: ok :(
# [19:28] <mconnor> hmm, Fennec
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# [19:29] <mconnor> I'm sort of surprised Android doesn't have a system service to manage downloads
# [19:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f00aa5f44b0 - Jose Cortes - Bug 842186 - Replace a few instances of jsval with JS::Value in the WorkerPrivate class. r=jwalden
# [19:29] <@smaug> tanvi: security state or UI?
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# [19:29] <bnicholson> mconnor: it does
# [19:29] <mconnor> and we don't use it?
# [19:29] <@ehsan> bnicholson: there's two concepts in play here
# [19:29] <@ehsan> the downloaded files
# [19:29] <froydnj> Waldo: always satisfying when you save yourself from yourself
# [19:29] <@ehsan> and our record that they were downloaded, etc
# [19:29] <tanvi> smaug: the security UI
# [19:29] <@ehsan> we want to preserve the former but not the latter
# [19:29] <bnicholson> mconnor: i think it was introduced in api level 9 - one level higher than the one we're targeting :(
# [19:29] <Waldo> froydnj: indeed, that guy's pretty stupid
# [19:30] <mconnor> bnicholson: hmm, we could be selective there, I suspect
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# [19:30] <mconnor> bnicholson: but that's a distraction, we still need to solve for the < 9 case :)
# [19:30] <bnicholson> mconnor: we could, but we have to address the problem either way (and also deal with two separate implementations)
# [19:30] <bnicholson> right
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# [19:31] <mconnor> still, I think that's almost certainly the Right Thing To Do here :)
# [19:31] <bnicholson> or create our own download manager that can work across all api levels
# [19:31] <bnicholson> and also possibly help to fix the private notification issue as well
# [19:32] <@smaug> tanvi: so, using <xul:browser> for chrome
# [19:32] <bnicholson> mconnor: actually, using the android download service won't work if we need to clear private downloads from the notification bar
# [19:32] <tanvi> smaug - what?
# [19:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f9348d70933c - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for firefox 20.0b1 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
# [19:33] <@smaug> tanvi: xul:browser creates security UI
# [19:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2b1bd2028bdd - ffxbld - Added FIREFOX_20_0b1_RELEASE FIREFOX_20_0b1_BUILD2 tag(s) for changeset f9348d70933c. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
# [19:33] <@smaug> tanvi: but if xul:browser doesn't have type="content" or similar, it ends up creating chrome docshelll
# [19:33] <@smaug> in which case the docshell under xul:browser isn't the same type root
# [19:33] <tanvi> well, it looks like bsmith is talking about nsSecureBrowserUI in general.
# [19:34] <@smaug> meaning what?
# [19:34] <tanvi> i am setting the state on the sametype root
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# [19:34] <tanvi> smaug: root doc - http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsMixedContentBlocker.cpp#66
# [19:34] <tanvi> smaug: so it only makes sense that i retrieve it from the sametyperoot
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# [19:35] <bnicholson> ehsan: do average users understand filesystems better than clipboards? my concern is that people would think the download's lifecycle is tied directly to firefox - once it's no longer in the download manager, it no longer exists
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# [19:35] <tanvi> smaug: what i dont know is if the functions in nsSecureBrowserUIImpl is only called on rootdocshells
# [19:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c0f5c517fdd - Mark Finkle - Bug 842917 - Avoid nested transactions in onUpgrade r=lucasr
# [19:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b79b4213e3b2 - Mark Finkle - Bug 843029 - Add more retries to ensureDatabaseIsNotLocked r=blassey r=lucasr
# [19:36] <bnicholson> keeping the download history around wouldn't give that false impression
# [19:36] <bnicholson> ehsan: also, downloaded files are much harder for users to access outside of firefox if they don't have direct access to them in the download manager
# [19:36] <@smaug> tanvi: looking some code
# [19:36] <bnicholson> especially in fennec
# [19:36] <@ehsan> bnicholson: that distinction is very clear on the desktop at least...
# [19:37] <@ehsan> bnicholson: but you're asking a UX question from the wrong person ;)
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# [19:38] <@smaug> tanvi: so I don't see why they would be called only on root docshells
# [19:38] <@smaug> usually yes
# [19:38] <mconnor> bnicholson: native class gives lots of options
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# [19:38] <@smaug> but in cases of using <xul:browser> for chrome docs..
# [19:38] <@smaug> er
# [19:39] <@smaug> using it for chrome docshells
# [19:39] <mconnor> bnicholson: I find it dangerous to attempt to guess a user's intent in that way, FWIW
# [19:39] <bnicholson> mconnor: what do you mean guess a user's intent?
# [19:39] <mconnor> bnicholson: if a user says "save this file" I don't think you can infer anythign beyond that
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# [19:40] <mconnor> bnicholson: other than the user intended to save that file to their device
# [19:40] <tanvi> smaug: usually yes but in cases when using it for chroem docshells? in those cases it wouldn't be the sametyperoot
# [19:41] <tanvi> smaug: but we wouldn't call securebrowserui functions on chrome docshells, woudl we?
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# [19:41] <tanvi> smaug: let me check the code
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# [19:41] <baku> dbaron, __android_log_print(ANDROID_LOG_INFO, "BAKU" , "VALUE: %f", (TimeStamp::Now() - mMostRecentRefresh).ToMilliseconds());
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# [19:41] <baku> dbaron, is this a good test?
# [19:41] <@smaug> tanvi: why wouldn't we call security stuff for chrome docshells?
# [19:42] <@smaug> I assume we're talking about some odd addons here
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# [19:43] <bnicholson> mconnor: ehsan used the same kind of logic when telling me why we should clear the clipboard :P
# [19:43] <@ted> sfink: skimming the evolution docs: "Evolution integrates with bookmarks to name particular patches. This is like mq’s patch names, or pbranch’s branch names."
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# [19:44] <@ehsan> bnicholson: what do you mean?
# [19:44] <tanvi> smaug - yeah thats true. i didnt thikn of the addon case
# [19:44] <sfink> ted: oh, that's interesting. Though I don't really understand it. I'll have to read more. Thanks.
# [19:44] <@ehsan> the user's intention is never anything like "leave this piece of text somewhere in the system memory where other apps can access it"
# [19:44] <@ehsan> really you're comparing apples and oranges
# [19:45] <@ted> sfink: http://arrenbrecht.ch/mercurial/evolution/ is pretty short
# [19:45] <tanvi> smaug - so i think i need to rewrite the patch to look for the sametyperoot and set the security state on that
# [19:45] <@smaug> tanvi: in case of chrome, sametyperoot doesn't have securityUI
# [19:45] <bnicholson> ehsan: using mconnor's words, if a user says "copy this data", I don't think you can infer anything beyond that
# [19:46] <sfink> ted: yeah, that's a nice summary page I hadn't seen before
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# [19:46] <bnicholson> how do you know how long they expect the data to be alive?
# [19:46] <@smaug> tanvi: this is an odd case
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# [19:46] <bnicholson> personally, i've hit several cases in firefox when it was cleared and i wasn't expecting it
# [19:46] <mconnor> bnicholson: it's apples and oranges
# [19:46] <@smaug> which I realized just few minutes ago :) I'm pretty sure we don't have tests or anything for this
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# [19:46] <bnicholson> normally, it happens when i copy the URL in a private window, then close the window to try to reopen the page in a non-private window
# [19:46] <@bsmedberg> aklotz: do you have experience writing "automated" wingdb/cdb scripts?
# [19:47] <mconnor> bnicholson: I don't think it's a perfect model, we had to make calls based on what we thought was the right tradeoff
# [19:47] <aklotz> bsmedberg: Can't say I've done any of the automated stuff before
# [19:47] <mconnor> I occasionally get bitten by this myself, but I still think it's the right model.
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# [19:48] <mconnor> bnicholson: after ~4 years I think there has to be a high bar to undo that decision :)
# [19:48] <bnicholson> mconnor: why is this apples and oranges though? the problem seems the same: we have some data that we consider private, we don't know when the user expects it to be deleted, and so we have to make a call ourselves when it should be deleted
# [19:48] <Standard8> anyone know of a user agent switcher that works?
# [19:49] <tanvi> smaug: in the case of chrome, isn't sametyperoot the same (the chrome docshell you are calling sametyperoot on).
# [19:49] <mconnor> bnicholson: except "save this file" is explicitly a permanent action, copy text to clipboard is explicitly a temporary action.
# [19:49] <Standard8> huh
# [19:49] <tanvi> smaug: sametype root of a chrome docshell is the chrome docshell
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# [19:49] <Standard8> that one does on a different search
# [19:49] <bnicholson> mconnor: agreed... they still share the same problem though :)
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# [19:50] <@smaug> tanvi: in case of chrome the root is the docshell which contains the document which has <xul:browser> in it
# [19:50] <mconnor> bnicholson: I get that, I just don't think either case is wrong, but I wrote the original PB spec, so I may be biased and/or stubborn
# [19:50] <@smaug> tanvi: but securityUI is, if I read the code correctly, is bound to the docshell under <xul:browser>
# [19:51] <@smaug> but better to test this
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# [19:51] <tanvi> ah. let me read the <xul:browser> code. i haven't looked at that
# [19:51] <mconnor> bnicholson: other than "test a URL in non-private mode" I've never actually seen this be a problem for anyone :)
# [19:51] <@smaug> tanvi: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/widgets/browser.xml#613
# [19:52] <tanvi> smaug: i'll have to think about how to write a test for this
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# [19:53] <bnicholson> mconnor: fwiw, i'm not testing anything when i do it. i sometimes find a site that i want in my history or in my normal session of tabs
# [19:53] <bnicholson> and it really sucks when it happens because it's difficult to track down again (by design)
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# [19:53] <mconnor> bnicholson: if you don't close the window, it works, right? :)
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# [19:54] <mconnor> also, you can just star it if you want to keep it
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# [19:55] <bnicholson> mconnor: yeah, there's workarounds once you're familiar with it, but it's a bad UX since it's rather unintuitive
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# [19:57] <mconnor> bnicholson: it's better than the UX of accidentally pasting in private URLs
# [19:57] <bnicholson> i don't know if it would be too invasive, but i would prefer a doorhanger or something that appears in the non-private window telling me what's in the clipboard and asking if i want to clear it
# [19:57] <mconnor> harm/benefit tradeoff stings here
# [19:57] <@dolske> prompt on paste? that would be super annoying.
# [19:57] <bnicholson> dolske: no, prompt on closing the private window
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# [19:58] <@dolske> ah. but also super annoying. :)
# [19:58] <bnicholson> is it? ask yes/no, with a checkbox to never ask again
# [19:59] <@dolske> I think I filed the bug to add clearing the clipboard, I can't recall there being any followups with complains, like mconnor said.
# [19:59] <@ehsan> bnicholson: I'd suggest that the annoyance that you've faced is because of your highly untypical use case
# [19:59] <@dolske> bnicholson: those are also highly annoying. we used to have a bunch of those for SSL related things, people hated them.
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# [19:59] <mconnor> bnicholson: like I said before: it's been four years, and you're the first person I remember bitching about
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# [19:59] <bnicholson> ehsan: maybe, but when i was talking with mfinkle about this he had the same complaint
# [19:59] <jwir3> heh. ironically, I just got an email from my graduate school informing me that Matt Macall will be speaking there tonight
# [20:00] <@ehsan> I'd be surprised if people who have not implemented browsers can think of revisiting the same site in non-private mode to keep it in their history db ;)
# [20:00] <mconnor> bnicholson: mfinkle complains about everything
# [20:00] <bnicholson> lol
# [20:00] <@dbaron> baku, you probably just want to print mMostRecentRefresh and see whether it's increasing or decreasing
# [20:00] <jwir3> jlebar: ^ Perhaps you should attend
# [20:00] <@dbaron> baku, since if it's broken, both TimeStamp::Now() *and* mMostRecentRefresh will be broken, and you won't see it
# [20:00] <@ehsan> bnicholson: ok, what I'm trying to say is whether we have a use case which regular humans will get confused by it
# [20:00] <@ehsan> you, me, or mfinkle don't count here ;)
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# [20:02] <baku> dbaron, see you and thanks!
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# [20:03] <bnicholson> but yes, may not be a common use case
# [20:03] <@ehsan> it is not :)
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# [20:08] <tanvi> smaug: "tanvi: but if xul:browser doesn't have type="content" or similar, it ends up creating chrome docshell" where is the code that shows this
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# [20:09] <@smaug> tanvi: see nsFrameLoader
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# [20:13] <jimb> bsmedberg: I filed the bug I mentioned to you earlier; if you could give me some overview, I'm happy to do as much work as I can understand how to do on it: bug 843245
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# [20:16] <bent> sewardj, it looks like i have to compile valgrind myself?
# [20:16] <bent> (ubuntu doesn't seem to have an arm package)
# [20:17] <sewardj> bent: I don't know what ubuntu has, but yes building the trunk yourself would be no bad thing.
# [20:17] <sewardj> bent: follow the instrucitons in README.android to build it
# [20:17] <ejpbruel> dholbert: everybody stand back. I'm going to try and land that patch again
# [20:17] <dholbert> ejpbruel, good luck :)
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# [20:18] <sewardj> bent: there's no specific instructions for running in b2g
# [20:18] <bent> ok
# [20:18] <bent> thanks
# [20:18] <sewardj> bent: I suggest you install it in /data/local/Inst on the device (per the readme file)
# [20:18] <sewardj> and then I think i did
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# [20:19] <sewardj> bent: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/system/b2g /data/local/Inst/bin/valgrind /system/b2g/b2g
# [20:19] <sewardj> bent: your main problem is running out of memoryu
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# [20:28] <BenWa> Is it possible to display safe-mode? It's making debugging startup crashes very painful?
# [20:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42f61751c2f8 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 842841 - Be less agressive with clearing timeouts, r=mdas
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# [20:32] <@gavin> BenWa: "display safe-mode" ?
# [20:32] <dholbert> ejpbruel, did anything go wonky with your inbound push? (Do you know if the push printed out any error messages to your terminal or anything?)
# [20:32] <BenWa> opps disable*
# [20:32] <@gavin> BenWa: which part? the prompt after N crashes?
# [20:32] <dholbert> ejpbruel, for some reason, you didn't get any jobs queued, and the build API page says that the revision is not found...
# [20:32] <dholbert> ( https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve//mozilla-inbound/rev/8c18e6431905 )
# [20:32] <BenWa> gavin: Yes. I want to be able to debug crashes without it
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# [20:33] <@gavin> BenWa: comment out http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/startup/nsAppStartup.cpp#870 I guess
# [20:33] <@smaug> BenWa: yes, auto-safe-mode is really annoying
# [20:33] <@gavin> er, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/startup/nsAppStartup.cpp#877 specifically
# [20:33] <ejpbruel> dholbert: you're kidding me right?
# [20:33] <BenWa> =\ ok
# [20:33] <@gavin> also maybe you can set that pref
# [20:33] <dholbert> ejpbruel, probably a releng bug, but I'm curious if you happened to notice anything odd when you pushed
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# [20:33] <ejpbruel> dholbert: lemme paste bin what i see
# [20:33] <@gavin> toolkit.startup.max_resumed_crashes = -1
# [20:33] <@smaug> I think I filed a bug to have a way to disable it
# [20:33] <@gavin> smaug, BenWa ^
# [20:33] <BenWa> ohh that would be nice
# [20:33] <dholbert> ejpbruel, no need to back out or anything; your push will get tested as part of the next push's jobs
# [20:34] <@smaug> gavin: ah, thanks
# [20:34] <dholbert> ejpbruel, it's just odd that it didn't get any jobs of its own
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# [20:34] <BenWa> smaug: I could land an environment variable to disable that check
# [20:34] <ejpbruel> dholbert: i did hg push m-i -r tip, could that be the problem?
# [20:34] <@smaug> BenWa: that would be better than pref
# [20:34] <@smaug> IMO
# [20:34] <BenWa> gavin: What do you think?
# [20:35] <BenWa> MOZ_DISABLE_SAFE_MODE
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# [20:35] <dholbert> ejpbruel, I don't think that should cause any trouble. it looks like your push is nicely inserted into the commit history, in my local (updated) m-i clone
# [20:35] <dholbert> we didn't end up with a new bogus head for your push or anythign
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# [20:35] <ejpbruel> dholbert: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2161743
# [20:36] <ejpbruel> dholbert: I'm about to push another patch, lets see if it happens again?
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# [20:36] <ejpbruel> i don't see anything weird about that output
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# [20:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a2e41cb1e33e - Panos Astithas - Bug 818385 - Support chrome debugging in Firefox OS; r=fabrice
# [20:36] <@gavin> BenWa: sure, though I'd name it more narrowly, something like MOZ_DISABLE_AUTO_SAFE_MODE
# [20:37] <dholbert> ejpbruel, that pastebin isn't for the same push
# [20:38] <dholbert> ejpbruel, false alarm, probably -- rail-buildduty says it could be a known race condition from some sort of build infra reconfig
# [20:38] <ejpbruel> dholbert: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2161799
# [20:38] <BenWa> smaug: Can you point me to the bug to disable it?
# [20:38] <dholbert> ejpbruel, ah, that's the right one. yup, that looks like normal push output
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# [20:39] <dholbert> ejpbruel, assuming that's a one-off issue for that push; if it happens again, we can get worried. :)
# [20:39] <@gavin> BenWa: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745154
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# [20:39] <ejpbruel> dholbert: let me push that second patch and see what happens
# [20:40] <dholbert> ejpbruel, cool, go for it
# [20:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cf2437d4159e - Mark Finkle - Bug 843029 - Add more retries to ensureDatabaseIsNotLocked r=blassey r=lucasr a=lsblakk
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# [20:41] <dholbert> ejpbruel, for future reference, in a multi-patch bug where the patches are landing in separate commits, it's nice to mention which patch is landing, in the bug-comment where you paste a cset ID
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# [20:41] <dholbert> er s/separate commits/separate pushes&bug comments/
# [20:41] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, or use checkin+!
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# [20:42] <ejpbruel> dholbert: Ms2ger: gotcha
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# [20:42] <dholbert> (makes it easier to tell which patches have landed)
# [20:42] <dholbert> (and verify that patches have r+, etc)
# [20:44] <@smaug> BenWa: looking
# [20:44] <@smaug> it was few months ago when I filed it...
# [20:44] <BenWa> smaug: I found it
# [20:45] <@smaug> k
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# [20:48] <Omicron> Is this the correct channel for questions regarding the firefox browser in general?
# [20:49] <@ted> this channel is mostly focused on firefox development
# [20:49] <Omicron> ok
# [20:50] <Omicron> Is there a specific reason that Firefox is not available on mobile apple devices?
# [20:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4fcce10347ab - Ethan Hugg - Bug 841641 - Set FORCE_PR_LOG in CSFLog r=jesup
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# [20:52] <Ms2ger> Omicron, because Apple controls the apps made available on its devices and they don't want competition
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# [20:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36a1a6b81f90 - Dave Hylands - Bug 842932 - Add Preferences::RegisterCallbackAndCall which registers a callback and calls it. r=bsmedberg
# [20:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd7341caf9f0 - Dave Hylands - Bug 842932 - Update to use Preferences::RegisterCallbackAndCall to correct pref callback from getting wrong params. r=smaug
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# [20:53] <Omicron> Ok thank you.
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# [20:55] <@ted> Omicron: there aren't any technical reasons, i ported Gecko to iOS years ago
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# [20:55] <@ted> but it would never make it pass app store review
# [20:55] <jcranmer|away> because Apple is a bunch of prissy control freaks :-P
# [20:56] <Omicron> Ok then. I was thinking of that being a potential SoC Project.
# [20:56] <Omicron> Good to know though
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# [20:57] <@ted> Omicron: http://imgur.com/r8Qti
# [20:57] <@ted> there's an old patch queue floating around
# [20:58] <gcp> Omicron: https://github.com/redpanda321/Icefox
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# [21:00] <Omicron> Thanks.
# [21:00] <Omicron> Looks far better than any browser on the App Store...
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# [21:02] <evilpie> "The update is somewhat modest on new features" d'uh
# [21:02] <evilpie> next version is going to have <a download>
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# [21:04] <@ehsan> does anybody know what the objects-extra about:memory probe measures?
# [21:04] <Ms2ger> njn would
# [21:04] <Ms2ger> Or maybe jlebar
# [21:04] <evilpie> i can look at the code
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# [21:04] <jlebar> ehsan: did you hover over the entry in about:memory?
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# [21:05] * jlebar doesn't know if that description is helpful, but it's all I've got.
# [21:05] <@ehsan> yes
# [21:05] <@ehsan> and it's not helpful
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# [21:05] <evilpie> there are different objext-extras
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# [21:06] <jlebar> ehsan: If you have a chance, would you mind writing a bug to fix the description, once you figure out what it means?
# [21:06] <jlebar> ehsan: Or just tell me and I'll write the patch.
# [21:06] <@ehsan> jlebar: if I do find out what it means, sure
# [21:06] <jlebar> thanks
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# [21:06] <@ehsan> I mean
# [21:06] <@ehsan> it might make sense to people who know the jseng black magic
# [21:06] <@ehsan> definitely not to me
# [21:07] <evilpie> which one are you looking at?
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# [21:07] <@ehsan> evilpie: not sure, this is the first entry under the entry for the compartment
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# [21:18] <gregglind> does stylesheetservice require chrome uris?
# [21:18] <jesup> dolske: ping
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# [21:20] <jesup> ehsan: You could try khuey
# [21:20] <jesup> about objects-extra
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# [21:21] <bhearsum> mac-users-of-try-builds: any of you noticed issues with them recently when trying to run them? specifically, errors about the signature
# [21:22] <bhearsum> and specifically 10.8 users
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# [21:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b12d2ab1a3e2 - Jim Chen - Bug 842687 - Use uint32 instead of bool for certain plug-in values; r=bsmedberg
# [21:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1641778f1619 - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 842687 - Test for uint32_t plug-in value; r=bsmedberg
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# [21:28] <stephend> mayhemer: thanks for looking into bug 840612; we're in #ateam if you have any questions!
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# [21:29] <mayhemer> stephend: :) I don't say I am going to look at it, but OK, I can
# [21:29] <stephend> oh
# [21:29] <stephend> well, if you would :-)
# [21:29] <stephend> it's affecting our automation big time
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# [21:30] <mayhemer> stephend: canot you just disable the pref?
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# [21:31] <stephend> no, I don't think so, for reasons jgriffin mentioned in the bug
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# [21:32] <jgriffin> mayhemer: disabling the pref breaks us since it causes the Marionette connection to be interrupted when wifi is disabled
# [21:32] <@ted> jrmuizel: pong
# [21:32] <jgriffin> mayhemer: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840612#c27
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# [21:33] <jrmuizel> ted: If I crash during a reftest run should I be getting a crash dump?
# [21:33] <jrmuizel> on b2g
# [21:33] <mayhemer> jgriffin: ok, I didn't follow that bug so closely, I have to read it again and probably check on the device
# [21:33] <jrmuizel> ted: currently I don't
# [21:33] <stephend> you'll need an unagi engineering build too, mayhemer
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# [21:33] <jgriffin> mayhemer: I'll add steps in the bug to reproduce the problem that occurs if that pref isn't set
# [21:33] <stephend> cool
# [21:33] <stephend> mayhemer: https://pvtbuilds.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/b2g/nightly/mozilla-b2g18-unagi-eng/latest/
# [21:34] <mayhemer> jgriffin: thanks
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# [21:34] <@ted> jrmuizel: i would think so, i'm not totally sure about how the B2G harnesses work
# [21:34] <@ted> jgriffin would know
# [21:34] <jrmuizel> jgriffin: ping
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# [21:34] <@ehsan> bz: ping?
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# [21:35] <@ted> you're not building B2G from a mac, are you?
# [21:35] <jgriffin> jrmuizel: pong
# [21:35] <@ted> because then crashreporter will be disabled
# [21:35] <jhammel> Mossop: the one that gets me is when you cancel your own review request...
# [21:35] <@bz> ehsan: ack, but I have about 7 mins
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# [21:35] <jhammel> hey bugzilla!
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# [21:35] <jgriffin> jrmuizel: are you running a real device?
# [21:35] <@ehsan> bz: ok quick question. when we create an xhr, we add it to the event target objects for the owning window, right?
# [21:35] <jrmuizel> jgriffin: I don't get much information about the crash that's happening here: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=19910355&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
# [21:36] <@bz> ehsan: I believe so, yes
# [21:36] <@ehsan> bz: when is it removed from that table?
# [21:36] <jgriffin> jrmuizel: yes, the B2G harnesses dont' do any kind of crash detection right now :(
# [21:36] <@bz> ehsan: no idea
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# [21:36] <@bz> ehsan: smaug might know
# [21:36] <jgriffin> jrmuizel: if you reproduce it locally on a phone, you can find crash reports at /data/b2g/mozilla/Crash Reports
# [21:36] <jrmuizel> jgriffin: I can not reproduce
# [21:36] <@ehsan> ok thanks
# [21:36] <@ehsan> smaug: ping
# [21:36] <jrmuizel> jgriffin: or even in the emulator
# [21:36] <jgriffin> oh this is the emulator
# [21:36] <@smaug> ehsan: what might I know
# [21:37] <@ted> jgriffin: bleh
# [21:37] <@smaug> ehsan: yes
# [21:37] <@ehsan> smaug: when do we remove an xhr from the event targets table on the window?
# [21:37] <@smaug> ehsan: when window is going away
# [21:38] <@smaug> and when the XHR is destroyed
# [21:38] <evilpie> bent: bug 587251
# [21:38] <jgriffin> jrmuizel: so reproducing this can be tricky. it's a webgl test running on the emulator, which uses hardawre acceleration provided by the host
# [21:38] <@ehsan> smaug: when does the xhr get destroyed?
# [21:38] <@ehsan> when its jsobject goes away?
# [21:38] <jgriffin> so to reproduce it you probably need the same environment that it's run on
# [21:38] <jgriffin> i.e., one of our linux32 test slaves
# [21:39] <jgriffin> if you can't repro it yourself
# [21:39] <@smaug> ehsan: when CC notices is can be deleted
# [21:39] <@smaug> or refcnt drops to 0
# [21:39] <@ehsan> smaug: I have a game compiled using emscripten
# [21:39] <@ehsan> and it's consuming 33mb of event-targets memory
# [21:39] <@ehsan> and I need to understand why
# [21:40] <bent> evilpie, what's up?
# [21:40] <@ehsan> smaug: do you have any idea what might be preventing the xhr objects from getting deleted?
# [21:40] <evilpie> bent: i just hit this bug, can you review this patch?
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# [21:41] <@smaug> ehsan: JS keeping XHR alive is probably the most common case
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# [21:41] <@smaug> ehsan: necko might keep it alive too
# [21:41] <@ehsan> smaug: how would js keep it alive? if its bound to a jsobject on window or something?
# [21:41] <@smaug> (we've had bug where necko keeps stuff alive too long)
# [21:41] <bent> evilpie, it's at a pretty low priority compared to this last minute b2g stuff i'm on...
# [21:42] <evilpie> bent: but commenting would be nice :)
# [21:42] <jrmuizel> jgriffin: yeah, I guess I should file a bug for one of those
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# [21:42] <@smaug> ehsan: I mean you just have some variable pointing to XHR in JS
# [21:42] <@ehsan> right
# [21:42] <@ehsan> ok
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# [21:46] <jgriffin> jrmuizel: yes, that's probably your best bet if you need to resolve this quickly; it will take a bit to resolve bug 843303 and bug 843296 properly
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# [22:03] <gaston> out of curiosity, anyone knows why netwerk/ and not network/ in the src tree ?
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# [22:03] <dholbert> gaston, historical artifact
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# [22:03] <dholbert> IIRC there was originally a "network" directory, and stuff was rewritten in "netwerk"
# [22:03] <dholbert> or something like that
# [22:03] <gaston> typo in the original cvs add :) ?
# [22:04] <dholbert> nope
# [22:04] <dholbert> intentional, AFAIK
# [22:04] <jhammel> advertisement for the record company
# [22:04] <jaws> dholbert: do you know where the text/plain document handling is located?
# [22:04] <jhammel> great, even mozilla is putting subtle ads in source control :P
# [22:05] <dholbert> jaws, not sure exactly what you're asking, but I don't think so. :)
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# [22:05] <dholbert> jaws, (by "document handling")
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# [22:05] <jaws> well we use ImageDocument.cpp for standalone images, wasn't sure if there was something analogous for text/plain documents
# [22:05] <dholbert> oh.
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# [22:06] <dholbert> I don't think there's anything like that... I'm not 100% sure, but I'd guess we just treat it as a normal HTML document with <pre> effectively
# [22:06] <jaws> k
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# [22:07] <jaws> dholbert: i think i got it figured out
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# [22:08] <dholbert> jaws, cool. (It looks like it ends up as <html><body><pre>, yeah)
# [22:09] <jaws> yep
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# [22:09] <Ms2ger> dholbert, that's what the spec says ;)
# [22:09] <dholbert> oh good!
# [22:10] <dholbert> jaws, (I don't know exactly where we insert the <pre> etc., but it sounds like you found it or are on a path to finding it)
# [22:10] <jaws> dholbert: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/htmlparser/src/CNavDTD.cpp#165
# [22:10] <dholbert> nice
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# [22:10] <jaws> yep
# [22:11] <dholbert> Ms2ger, what spec is this, FWIW? is there a spec on how plain text is supposed to render?
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# [22:11] <Ms2ger> HTML
# [22:11] <Ms2ger> ("The kitchen sink")
# [22:11] <dholbert> I wonder if notepad is spec-compliant
# [22:12] <Ms2ger> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/history.html#read-text
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# [22:12] <dholbert> cool
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# [22:20] <ggp> I'm trying to record audio using the GetUserMedia API from C++, using something like http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2162037 , but my listener doesn't seem to be getting called. could anyone point me in the right direction?
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# [22:23] <jlebar> sfink: ping
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# [22:24] <sfink> jlebar: pong
# [22:24] <jlebar> sfink: you know about writing hg extensions, right?
# [22:24] <sfink> jlebar: yeah...
# [22:24] <sfink> (this cannot end well)
# [22:24] <jlebar> sfink: Could you help me translate http://bz.selenic.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3833#c20 into a precommit hook?
# [22:24] <jaws> jesup: maybe you can help ggp?
# [22:24] <jlebar> sfink: I'm not even sure where to look for docs.
# [22:24] <sfink> uh oh, I'm not so good at hooks, but lemme look
# [22:26] <sfink> jlebar: ok, I'm a little confused. How does a *hook* "look for the problem"?
# [22:26] <jesup> ggp: hi
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# [22:26] <sfink> it seems like he's describing something that you could run on a repo to find other occurrences
# [22:26] <jlebar> sfink: I think pre-commit hooks can see the commits we're considering adding to the repo
# [22:26] <sfink> ah!
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# [22:27] <ggp> jaws: thanks
# [22:28] <ggp> and hi jesup, I wonder if you can help me? did you see my question above?
# [22:28] <gaston> jesup: windows doesnt have sctp right ? otherwise on linux/mac/freebsd the kernel implem is used in netwerk/sctp ? or it's still pure userland ?
# [22:28] <jlebar> sfink: We have a bunch of hooks written in https://hg.mozilla.org/hgcustom/hghooks/
# [22:28] <jesup> ggp: looking now
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# [22:28] <jesup> best place to ask this is #media, where the webrtc/gum/media people hang
# [22:28] <jlebar> sfink: I guess I can just look at the implementation of hg status and debugindex and figure out how to replicate that in py
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# [22:29] <sfink> jlebar: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Hook is pretty sparse
# [22:29] <jlebar> sfink: yeah. :-/
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# [22:29] <ggp> jesup: sorry, I already asked in #media and didn't get a reply
# [22:30] <ggp> yet, anyway
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# [22:32] <sfink> jlebar: http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/handling-repository-events-with-hooks.html has good info
# [22:32] <jlebar> sfink: cool; thanks!
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# [22:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9bee7d808f97 - Vladan Djeric - Bug 827976: Part 1 - Create hidden windows lazily on non-Mac platforms. r=bzbarsky
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# [22:34] <jlebar> vladan++ ^^
# [22:34] <vladan> :)
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# [22:38] <bent> sewardj, ping again :)
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# [22:40] <mkaply> Is the PDF viewer team taking PDFs that don't work in Firefox?
# [22:40] <jesup> ggp see #media
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# [22:42] <jhammel> mkaply: if by "taking" you mean "if i file a bug pointing to a pdf that doesn't work, will they triage and prioritize the issue to be fixed as resources allow", i would certainly hope so
# [22:42] <mkaply> jhammel: I wasn'
# [22:42] <mkaply> jhammel: I wasn't sure if they were up for receving every PDF that didn't work :)
# [22:42] <mkaply> Unfortunately this one contains my SSN.
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# [22:43] <mkaply> should probably try trunk first
# [22:43] <romaxa> dolske: ping
# [22:43] <dholbert> mkaply, worth filing a bug w/ STR (e.g. "Log in to bank XYZ, download statement"), and then say that you've got a PDF that reproduces it which you can give to a trusted developer if requested
# [22:43] <lizzard> mkaply: you don't have to attach the actual pdf to the bug -- but if there is a specific site that isn't working maybe you could explain
# [22:43] <lizzard> is it a tax form or something bank related?
# [22:43] <romaxa> dolske: is there are way to block sertain page from making HTTP auth requests?
# [22:44] <mkaply> lizzard: Yeah. It's my tax document from my bank.
# [22:44] <dholbert> mkaply, and you can post a screenshot w/ your SSN obscured
# [22:44] <dholbert> to assist in determining whether it's a duplicate or whatever
# [22:44] <dholbert> (w/out including PDF)
# [22:44] <mkaply> I'll grab the latest nightly first. Thanks for the suggestions.
# [22:45] <lizzard> mkaply: awesome
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# [22:47] <sewardj> bent: pong
# [22:47] <mkaply> interesting. the PDF says (SECURED) in the title bar on Adobe acrobat.
# [22:47] <mkaply> Maybe that's the issue?
# [22:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/851342f5eafe - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 842745 - Modify timer in JS shell function to take an arbitrary JS function. r=dvander
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# [22:50] <bent> sewardj, hey, i think i'm having luck
# [22:50] <bent> sewardj, but i think my binaries have stripped symbols
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# [22:50] <sewardj> bent: cool. what sort of luck?
# [22:50] <yury> mkaply: it's better to receive a PDF (or link to it) that does not work, than just a phrase "my PDFs does not work"
# [22:50] <bent> sewardj, so retrying now
# [22:50] <sewardj> bent: what bug are you chasing here?
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# [22:50] <dholbert> yury, he knows that; the PDF has his SSN, so he can't post it publicly
# [22:51] <mkaply> yury: I definitely want to give it to you guys, I just can't post it because of SSN.
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# [22:51] <bent> sewardj, we have some fun memory corruption somewhere
# [22:51] <jhammel> mkaply: don't suppose `sed s/your_SSN/12345678/` kills it?
# [22:52] <sewardj> bent: that much I inferred :-) got a bug number?
# [22:52] <blassey> so, my nightly on OSX isn't updating
# [22:52] <mkaply> jhammel: Based on what I just researched, it's an encrypted PDF, so I doubt it.
# [22:52] <yury> mkaply: any error messages, any sample PDF from the same source you got yours?
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# [22:52] <blassey> and hasn't since 2/13
# [22:52] <blassey> who would care about that?
# [22:52] <blassey> rs?
# [22:52] <mkaply> Firefox knows - it says This PDF might not be displayed correctly at the top
# [22:52] <Standard8> blassey: what does about say for the channel?
# [22:52] <jhammel> mkaply: in that case you are likely correct
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# [22:53] <mkaply> bug 843339
# [22:53] <bent> sewardj, no, not really
# [22:54] <blassey> Standard8: well... I'm wondering if we have any data that would show if more people than I fell off the update channel
# [22:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb29fef8cd2e - Trevor Saunders - bug 832158 - implement IServiceProvider with a taer off r=surkov
# [22:54] <blassey> akeybl: ^^
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# [22:54] <Standard8> blassey: well if it says "default" then you've probably got a try build installed
# [22:54] <Standard8> or running
# [22:54] <sewardj> bent: well, lmk if you want any help
# [22:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c5c4c51585c3 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 842729 - Repair merge failures from bug 807853 in TypeOracle and MCallOptimize r=bhackett
# [22:55] <yury> mkaply: can you look into web console (in Nightly) and post PDF's info to the bug?
# [22:56] <yury> there are PDF generator info (and probably errors)
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# [22:58] <bent> sewardj, yeah, i will... i thought i had a good question but i'm fighting with symbols instead
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# [22:59] <sewardj> bent: do you have at least stack unwinding?
# [23:00] <bent> sewardj, not really, this is what i'm seeing:
# [23:00] <bent> ==312== Thread 7:
# [23:00] <bent> ==312== Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)
# [23:00] <bent> ==312== at 0x71FB99C: ??? (in /system/b2g/libxul.so)
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# [23:00] <sewardj> bent: and the libxul.so has debuginfo on?
# [23:00] <mkaply> Nice. Copying from the webconsole isn't working.
# [23:01] <bent> sewardj, it was stripped, so i'm trying to push the full version
# [23:01] <bent> sewardj, which is like 450mb
# [23:01] <bent> ...
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# [23:01] <sewardj> bent: actually, the V trunk has a flag telling it where it can pick up the debuginfo object from
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# [23:01] <sewardj> bent: so no need to nuke the main libxul.so
# [23:02] <bent> sewardj, but this is on a phone...
# [23:02] <bent> sewardj, not my computer
# [23:02] <sewardj> bent: uh, yeah, i know
# [23:02] <bent> sewardj, so i have to push it to the phone somewhere right?
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# [23:02] <sewardj> bent: right. yes. I'm just saying that you don't have to overwrite the main libxul.so though
# [23:02] <bent> oh i see
# [23:02] <sewardj> you can park the debuginfo objects anywhere
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# [23:03] <bent> is that easier or harder?
# [23:03] <sewardj> bent: and use --extra-debuginfo-path=path to tell it where it is
# [23:03] <sewardj> bent: also use -v so you can diagnose can't-find-debuginfo problems
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# [23:07] <bent> sewardj, cool
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# [23:08] <sewardj> bent: watch out for the whole thing getting OOM-killed
# [23:08] <bent> sewardj, yeah... i'm worried about it
# [23:09] <sewardj> bent: if you can run a swap-enabled kernel on the device, that makes these problems go away
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# [23:09] <sewardj> but that's pretty unlikely unless you compile one yourself
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# [23:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9874a60b708f - Randell Jesup - Bug 843190: Allow cameras/mics to be shared if permissions UI is disabled r=derf
# [23:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4e8de70b500e - Gavin Sharp - Bug 841359 - Always log error originating from windows with chrome principals. r=bz a=lsblakk
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# [23:12] <akeybl> blassey: I don't typically follow nightly uptake rates
# [23:13] <akeybl> I'm more worried when something like that happens on Aurora
# [23:13] <akeybl> we can get a bug on file though
# [23:13] <blassey> akeybl: ok, then I'll just install over it
# [23:14] <akeybl> mph could you copy aside your profile?
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# [23:14] <akeybl> blassey: ^
# [23:14] <blassey> yea, I can do that
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# [23:16] <jlebar> ted: Would you r+ an hg hook which is written in bash, or do we have a policy of using python only?
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# [23:17] <akeybl> blassey: filed bug 843348
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# [23:20] <philor> gps: if you're going to change the whitespace of the xpcshell results, you're not going to have a good time
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# [23:21] <philor> since that'll give you a dependency on changing a buildbot/mozharness/whatever regex that doesn't want spaces before INFO | Passed:
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# [23:33] <bent> sewardj, hm, i don't think my symbol file is being found
# [23:34] <sewardj> bent: did you run with -v ?
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# [23:34] <bent> sewardj, is it enough to just put the unstripped .so file in the extra debug path?
# [23:34] <bent> yep
# [23:34] <sewardj> bent: so .. what does it say about libxul.so ?
# [23:35] <bent> --461-- Reading syms from /system/b2g/libxul.so
# [23:35] <bent> --461-- object doesn't have a symbol table
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# [23:35] <bent> i'm using this command line: exec /data/local/Inst/bin/valgrind -v --smc-check=all-non-file --log-file=/data/local/valgrind.log --extra-debuginfo-path=/sdcard/symbols/ /system/b2g/b2g
# [23:35] <bent> and my unstripped libxul is in /sdcard/symbols
# [23:36] <sewardj> bent: (OT) you don't need --smc-check= on arm
# [23:36] <sewardj> it just makes it even slower
# [23:36] <bent> oh cool
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# [23:37] <sewardj> bent: hmm, maybe it would just be simpler to return to your initial plan (put the 450MB libxul.so in /system/b2g)
# [23:37] <bent> i wish
# [23:37] <bent> i don't have enough space
# [23:38] <bent> do i need to save the symbols out in a special format or anything?>
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# [23:43] <sewardj> bent: let me see if I can get you an intermediate situation .. one mo
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# [23:45] <sewardj> bent: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2162311
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# [23:45] <sewardj> bent: the idea is to remove irrelevant debuginfo from libxul.so
# [23:45] <bent> ah
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# [23:46] <sewardj> I suggest you just try the first (removing .debug_info)
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# [23:46] <sewardj> bent: that should majorly smallen the file
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# [23:47] <Waldo> smallen? is that the opposite of embiggen, I take it?
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# [23:47] <sewardj> Waldo: yes, indeed, i was just being impressed at my own ability to verb any noun
# [23:47] <Waldo> also mak++ for doing what nobody else had yet :-)
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# [23:47] <Waldo> hmm
# [23:47] <Waldo> didn't you know verbing weirds language?
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# [23:48] <jgilbert> clearly 'ensmallen'
# [23:48] <sewardj> Waldo: very good. /me amused
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# [23:50] <bent> sewardj, ok, that took me from 715MB to 306MB
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# [23:50] <bent> let's see if it fit
# [23:50] <bent> s
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# [23:50] <sewardj> 715MB to start with?!
# [23:50] <sewardj> sheesh kebab
# [23:50] <bent> debug build
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# [23:51] <bent> i may have to start over with an opt build
# [23:51] <sewardj> bent: well, will 306 MB fit in /system ?
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# [23:54] <fabrice> bent: I have 100M free on /system with the old libxul. do the math ;)
# [23:54] <sewardj> bent: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2162324 is what I tend to use for Android/B2G on V. -g -O is a not-bad compromise.
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# [23:56] <bent> fabrice, dunno, mine worked :)
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